May 19, 2025 • 51 mins
They discuss driverless tractor trailers in Texas, the future of driving, and what it means for regular drivers. They do this while drinking the Three Cord Alman Brothers Backstage Series and smoking the Punch Classico. They throw some shade on the lemon juice in the lemon shaped plastic bottles.
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Welcome to today's episode in this episode.
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We'll have the Punch Classico,
and with it, three-chord from the Ammon Brother Band backstage series.
Three-chord.
You're hanging out with Bill and Daryl with cigars, liquor, and more.
All right, well, the Punch Classico is a six and a quarter by 50.
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Ecuadorian Sumatra rapper, Connecticut binder, and Honduran, Dominican,
and Nicaraguan fillers, and an MSRP of $7.
Three-chord, Ammon Brother Band liquor backstage series,
is finished in toasted peach wood,
bottled at 95%.
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I'm sorry, 95 proof.
95%.
That'd be high.
95 proof.
And has an SRP of 45.
And in all fairness, I wasn't able to actually find it anymore.
Yeah, I know that it's, you know, I don't know, limited or small,
but I couldn't find it anymore.
So I looked at other three-chords to give an approximate value,
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because all of them were between 45 and 50.
So I figured this one was between 45 and 50.
I'm pretty sure it is, yeah.
Yeah.
All righty.
Cool.
There we are.
Well, the cold draw was very neutral.
There's not a lot there.
You know, the classic smacked up tobacco.
Yeah.
A little sweetness to it, but lit it up.
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Well, let it settle in.
Mine, I'm only quarter.
It just lit.
So let's get a nose.
See, I'm wondering if there's any peach odor on peach scent,
peach feeling.
No, the toast, I like toasted.
Toasted staves.
You like toasted peaches?
No, no, no, no, the toasted barrel.
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I doubt peach wood brings any flavor of peaches.
No, no, it doesn't.
But toasted, you know, generally brings out more vanilla for me.
Absolutely.
This is definitely, I could talk you straight for a room whiskey.
It is.
It is.
So the nose is kind of hot, even for 95.
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Yeah, so much so that it's difficult to.
So it's not just me.
No.
Okay.
It's difficult to pick stuff out.
And for 95, that's not common.
Yeah.
But almond brothers, you had to check out the almond brothers, right?
Albin.
Yeah.
Not almond.
I did say almond the first time.
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Yeah, I noticed I was hoping you'd let it go.
Well, you said it twice now.
So I had the.
Yes.
Yeah.
Albin brothers.
You're inferring the D. I said, Alman.
I'm inferring the D.
No, I think if you play back to tape, you'll hear the D in the first one.
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Yes.
The second to twice.
No, the next two.
You said it that way.
I'm telling you, you did.
Alman brothers.
Oh, I'm an almond.
It's like a man.
Oh, man.
Oh, man.
Oh, man.
It's an almond band, right?
Well, they are brothers.
Are they?
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I don't know for sure.
Well, all man brothers.
Were they?
You wouldn't want an all woman brothers.
Are they in fact brothers?
I don't know.
I don't know.
I was never a fan.
So this might be the right time of the episode to mention that we've.
Pre-drunk a little before the meeting.
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So what coming in hot to this podcast.
We may not stick the landing.
But we will definitely hit the ground.
Oh, we're landing.
There's a lot of people who are going to be in the field.
We're coming in hot.
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As long as it's not that one where like how in the last 20 feet did the plane flip upside
down?
What the heck was that all about?
What do you have to do that?
You have to really want to do something.
We're not doing that.
We're not doing that.
We're better than that.
We could.
We could.
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All right.
I will say.
It does diverge from being strictly a Kentucky paper urban whiskey with a little bit of a
fruit flavor, but is very mild.
And I don't know that I'd call it peach.
So that's not peach.
Well, it doesn't come across peach to me.
No, but there's something in the fruit category there.
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And it's really mild.
But it's a strictly Kentucky paper whiskey.
It's pretty good.
It's a little hot.
And that's about it.
I keep backtracking on all my compliments.
Don't I?
Sure.
It's not Ohio.
Let's go to the bottle.
Not that they're going to tell you on the bottle.
I read the bottle earlier, but I didn't.
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I don't remember everything.
It said a blend of straight bourbon whiskeys finished with toasted peach wood.
So that's not necessarily a peach barrel.
That could be peach wood staves.
Yes.
Yeah, they did not say barrel.
Oh my.
Okay.
So they've got microfiche.
Okay.
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So for people born after, what do you think?
Ninety microfiche was very, very small film that books and documents and mostly newspapers
were on that you could check out in the library and look at a microfiche reader.
And it is so small, you need a microscope to read it.
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And that is what this bottle is.
There's zero chance of me reading this bill.
You want to take a stab at it so that I'm not the only opinion.
No, okay.
Is that readable?
Oh my God.
I got my glasses on.
This was this was written by the incredible shrinking woman.
Oh, wow.
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That's a kickback.
Really?
Tomlin.
Oh, yeah.
But you were talking about microfiche, so I had to do something in that era.
This is terrible.
And yeah, this would be normal size print when she was small.
Bigger sticker.
It's not like they're out of bottle space on the back.
Oh, no, it's a huge bottle.
It's a good size.
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It's a normal size bottle.
They could have put normal size print on it.
There you go.
But then they couldn't tell their story.
So the Allman brothers were an American rock band formed in Jacksonville, Florida in 1969.
It's founding members were brothers, Duane, Duane, Allman, Sly guitar, Lee guitar and
Greg Allman, Volcosa keyboards, as well as Dickey Betts, Barry Oakley, butch trucks.
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Not brothers.
And Jay, Johnny, Jermaine, Jermone, Johnson.
So it's a lie.
Well, the founding members were brothers.
OK.
All right, well, two of them were brothers, anyway.
Two of the five?
Two of the five.
So they should be called 20% Allman brothers.
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Oh, and it's two Wells, by the way.
I'm sorry, 40%.
Why did I do my bad?
I don't know why.
Coming in hot.
Coming in hot.
All right.
40% seems better.
Still not half.
All right.
So what are they known for here?
Let's let's see.
Go your own way.
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And now the Allman brothers.
An entire article about the band in No Soul.
That's why they did go your own way.
That's hilarious.
I'm probably wrong.
I'm not good at this.
Do you remember we vowed not to do pop cultures?
I wasn't doing anything except reading.
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OK.
You were the one guessing.
I'll give you that.
My bad.
But they aren't just this article is poorly written.
All right.
Give me a table.
Skip it.
There's so long.
We don't care.
Skip it.
It doesn't matter.
That's that's that's that's what it should be.
It should be contained a table.
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No, I hear you.
Whoever did this.
I'm on board.
It's on the psychedelic drugs.
They were talking about one of these songs being about.
So enough of that.
OK.
I said you know and don't end up with that.
It does kind of have a I don't know almost like a four roses
kind of vibe to it.
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Yeah, because they took four roses
and stuck it in a barrel with some peach taste.
I'm starting to think that.
Anyway, it's a solid offering.
It comes off a little hot at 95.
Yeah, it comes otherwise it's good.
It's Kentucky's paper of whiskey.
It the 95, you know, you look at 95, you think, oh, yeah,
that'll be that'll be easy.
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Yeah, another.
But now this thing's got a little kick to me.
Yeah, it comes off much harder than what that 95 says.
So OK.
And as far as the flavor goes, yeah, I I'm not getting I'm not
getting fruit.
I get it.
It's so little.
Right.
But I'm getting I'm getting the the wood and the vanilla
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and and a long long finish.
It is a long finish.
Yeah, I didn't even talk about it.
I ain't thinking about that till now.
That that heat stays with you.
The heat that's not normally what you want in a finish.
But it does.
But it's more than just the heat there.
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There is the flavor also.
It's long.
There.
Yeah.
Yes.
But the most notable thing is is the heat and the long
I give you that I give you that.
So not something you come across regularly.
Now the cigar is in fact well named.
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It is very classic this.
If if you gave me I didn't actually start smoking a cigar
till probably 89 90.
But if you gave somebody a cigar in the 80s,
this was the cigar.
It take all of them tasted like this.
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All bunch of them did.
Yeah, it's it is classic.
It.
Now how do you describe that?
See, I think it's it's earthenwood, but mild in both cases.
So when I think of classic cigars, which is kind of what
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this is meant to convey literally named.
To me, it means we can't use Cuban anymore.
Post embargo.
We can't use Cuban anymore.
So we went to Dominican Republic.
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We went to Nicaragua.
We went to all these different places.
And we took seed with us to.
Right.
So we did that.
And what we were going for, right?
This is way back when.
Yeah.
What we're going for is as close as we could to the to the classic
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Cuban flavors.
Right.
Right.
And aside from aside from a few labels,
really the Cuban punch was kind of the first breakout, the first one
that was really different than the rest of the human brands,
because it was much more bold, right?
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It was much more it was much more.
Nicaragua.
Yeah, it was much more like that.
So having that's that's what I think of when I think of the name.
And really, I kind of think of that when I think of the flavor as well.
So I would say that they named it well.
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It's classic.
And in fact, this is this is the classic punch band, too.
Yeah.
If you just take the classical off the bottom,
this is the punch band.
It's been around forever and ever.
Forever.
Since before my time.
So I guess in a way, this might be a good introduction
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for hey, this is what almost everything tasted like in the 80s and early 90s.
So I love the I love the dark wrapper.
And of course, my stack and dime.
Yeah, almost white ash.
Yeah, good burn.
That looks really, really good.
Now, I will say that I do have a plug in here somewhere.
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Yeah.
I've got a tougher than average draw.
Yeah, you tried to clear it before the show.
Yeah, Daryl doesn't have this problem.
No.
So it's this.
I got a nice medium draw.
It's this stick and it is much right right around where that band is.
It is it is very firm right in there.
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You think that's where it's at?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Something folded over bad.
Something.
I don't know.
But good news is it's just this stick.
Yeah, both of them did it.
You'd be more concerned about a manufacturing problem.
But if it's just this stick, it's a handmade product.
Yeah.
Things can go off.
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It's fine.
It's not like I wouldn't ever smoke another one.
It's a heavier draw.
It's just this one heavier.
Yes, the taste still comes through.
It doesn't stop that.
Oh, right.
Lovely.
And it does have it does have a nice little earthy flavor to it.
Almost like a dirt type of earth.
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Yep.
Yeah, like I said, it's classic.
It doesn't have the baking spices that we've really come to see in the newer age.
So it is earth, wood, dirt.
It's that's that was the cigar for years and years and years and years.
And unfortunately, no must.
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Hmm.
That's fine and no paper.
But it's it's a it's a clear classic.
It's well named.
I feel like they named it not.
Absolutely.
The insane or the maniac or, you know, so many others here like, I don't think you named
yourself right.
This should be crazier psycho.
Psycho is the one we called out.
Yeah.
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The one that I don't think was named appropriately.
OK.
All right.
You good on the first third?
I am.
All right.
I am.
Did you see the MSN article about driverless?
Semi trucks on the roads in North Texas.
I saw a blurb.
I don't know if it was from MSN, but I did see a blurb.
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Yeah.
Everybody's got the same articles, right?
Yeah.
I did not I did not read into the article, but I did see this blurb.
And this is something that we've we've talked about that this is this is where we knew was
going.
Yes.
This is the key.
Yeah.
Yeah.
All the consumer drivers of Teslas primarily because I think they got most miles on an
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auto driver.
They were all guinea pigs to make semi more cost effective semi trucks.
Yeah.
To make semis more cost effective by getting rid of drivers.
Yeah.
That's exactly right.
OK.
So I'm not going to dig that a lot of hydrogen as a fuel source, hydrogen fuel cells will
be next.
I think so too.
And once you can pack that in and they can go cross country on one field, Phil.
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Oh, yeah.
Yeah, baby.
So I'm going to skip some of the floral language.
Yes.
They're driver.
They're driverless trucks in North Texas.
The company is Aurora innovation driverless, but not unaccompanied.
Yeah.
Right.
Right.
So you've got a truck driver.
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Well, I don't want to say they're a truck driver, actually.
They have a driver in the back, not the back of the truck, but in the, you know, not in
the driver's seat.
And they were running operations on I 45 between Dallas and Houston.
The president of Aurora innovations, Osa Fisher said the company's Aurora driver system
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is powered by sensors, cameras and radars.
They can see a 360 world around the vehicle for football fields in any directions, which
is amazing.
Yeah.
Fisher said these trucks can operate 24 seven, which is a game changer for an industry facing
labor shortages and rising demand.
Now, I do remember the labor shortages because I remember maybe six months ago, Walmart
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up there pay like 20 or $30,000 for tractor trailer drivers.
They were going to get 120.
I think it was.
We, I think we covered it in a show, but it was somewhere around that it was over a hundred
for a truck driver.
So not a surprise.
They're going to automate this.
Oh, yeah.
Plus drivers can only drive for so many hours.
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Yep.
Whereas if you've got a, let's call them a monitor, they can sleep while the truck drives
and then their hours can be different hours than a truck driver's hours.
They could be much higher.
So it could move.
They don't have the mandatory brakes or mandatory non drive time.
And I mean, you, you make sure every chair, every, every truck that's auto driving is
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not going to skip going to the scales.
Right.
Every truck that's auto driving is, you know, you're going to be hopefully more aware of
its surroundings.
Right.
Right.
Because I mean, people are people, right?
You've got, you know, different, you know, you get people that are, you know, they, they
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get sick, right?
They get tired.
They get all this.
They get Matthew, all this stuff.
And it becomes a distraction.
So the, the semi, the driverless semi trucks won't have that problem.
Right.
And this is what we expected when we saw that I thought it was, I might have a number wrong.
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Musk wanted $16,000 per license for the auto driver, full auto driver.
And I was like, Oh, that's because he wants to sell it to tractor trailers.
That's not about this car.
People aren't paying that.
I mean, some people might, but most people are not, but tractor trailers absolutely will.
Yep.
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In fact, I mentioned that as well.
Tractor chair is a good driverless.
And then what you actually will have is not a tractor trailer driver in the driver's
seat.
What you'll actually have is a IT programmer who can work on programming.
And then when the truck needs to be refilled, a go out and refill the truck or a rider
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or somebody else who can work just at a keyboard and just do whatever.
Yeah.
Say you're a novelist or you're a programmer or name something you can just do while
sitting in a sub cab of the truck and then just go fill it with gas every four hours.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
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So and doing this on the Dallas.
So 45 between Dallas and Houston specifically, very specific.
The part of 45.
This between Comro and Houston that that stretch of 45 has been under construction.
All my life, right.
All my life.
And nothing but gridlock.
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That's got to be the safest thing to put a truck on because it probably never goes over
40.
Well, it's got to recognize the speed limit, drive the speed limit, which can be both good
and bad.
It doesn't have to recognize that.
All I has to do is not run the car in front of it and do 40 or 30 or 10.
Yeah.
And stay in its lane, right?
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As you're going through the construction areas.
But what I know what I was getting at was because that area is constantly under construction,
you learn a lot there.
And it's different, right?
It's a little bit over here, a little bit over here, a little bit over here.
And it changes over time.
So as you're driving through that corridor, you're you're getting real good exposure to
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construction areas.
True.
You're getting real good exposure to, you know, moving on to, you know, going from concrete
to asphalt is you're moving off of the areas they're going to work on.
The lines may not be all that well defined because they weren't repainted for the redirect.
Right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, yeah, I mean, there's a whole lot of experience that could be gained.
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Yeah.
Just in that part.
Yeah.
Of 45.
So yeah, great place to do research on driverless.
And it fairly low speeds because it's really not doing 70.
Yeah.
There's no way it's doing 70 net corridor.
No.
Now they did go out of their way.
I thought it was funny.
That they they definitely went out of their way to mention this in the article is not an
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accident.
We're really helping the industry help America, she said.
The governor in particular, he supported our launch.
He came out with a quote endorsing a door Aurora as being on the innovation front here
in Texas.
You definitely want to stay.
The governor has our support.
We're not doing this on the down low.
We didn't just throw some cars out in the highway and make them driverless.
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We had we had some signed approvals.
Right.
Yeah.
Well, you got to go through text dot right in theory.
I mean, that's what I mean, Tesla didn't do that.
They just threw it at that.
That's a that's a that's a that's a personal vehicle.
True.
Not a commercial vehicle.
Yeah.
Commercial vehicles have to go through text dot Texas Department of Transportation.
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So yeah, but we are favorable to.
Yeah.
And you want to try that?
Well, let's come up with the plan and do it.
Yeah.
They made sure to tell us that they release safety reports showing how the technology
works.
The company collaborated with federal and state agencies.
They have three million miles on public roads, billions of miles and simulations where they've
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tested various use cases to make sure that we're safe and gracious and how we're driving.
I mean, not being a dick.
Right.
The company did have one minor crash involving a truck traveling between Fort Worth and El
Paso, but the authorities determined it was caused by an out of control driver in another
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vehicle.
Yeah.
Which really a lot of the a lot of the semi accidents are.
Yeah.
That.
Yeah.
Because I mean, people are I'm just going to come out and say it.
People are decks on the road.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You got something that cannot stop on a dime.
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Right.
And you're going to cut it off.
Cut it off.
Yeah.
No, don't.
I see it happen all the time.
I do too.
So it's crazy.
I try not to.
I don't want to be.
I really do not want to be the lead car in front of a semi.
I try to avoid that.
I do too.
I very much do as well.
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And if I'm going to get directly in front of a semi, I make sure I there's a gap, a
healthy gap between us when I move over.
Yeah.
Same.
Same because those things those things don't play.
No, they will crush you like a like a sardine can.
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You can't.
Anyway, well, that's actually part of the next paragraph detailing it.
It's one minor crash.
But you're talking about Aurora, who has only driven minimal number of miles, experienced
car and truck wreck attorney, Amy, with right said when you're talking about an 80,000 pound
vehicle, there's a mistake made the likelihood of somebody dying or getting catastrophic.
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The injured goes way up, which is not just why you want to be cautious about it.
Because you want to be cautious for all accidents.
I mean, we've seen things where the Tesla was the one at fault, not attractor trailer
driver, right?
And it just didn't realize that that was, you know, the same color as the sky and smashed
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into it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Specifically attractor trailer.
I remember right.
One of the accidents.
So, you know, this is very important, but it also you have to realize it's the future
and there's no way around it.
Oh, yeah.
It's coming.
Yeah.
I guess technically it's here.
You want to do a mid break and come back?
Yeah.
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I think I think it's time we take a little break.
Okay.
Well, unfortunately, I do apologize.
I don't have lemon right now.
So we can't make it all fashion tonight.
Yeah.
That's my bad.
I was supposed to go get it.
That's okay.
We'll be right back.
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CLN.
So popular in the seventies.
All right.
Well, let's let's think about the midpoint here.
I got no transition.
Well, what we haven't covered is the drink draw, draw a drink.
And I neglected to mention a retrial.
So let's cover that.
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Do you want to let's cover?
Do you have anything in particular you want to start with?
Well, I'm going to start with them individually saying that there is no transition on the
cigar.
Yeah, cigar is exactly the same.
Even if my plug is still there.
So I haven't burned through that yet.
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And of course, the liquor doesn't change in combination.
I don't think they help each other.
I don't think they hurt each other.
I think they kind of stayed out of each other's way.
It is it is a little bit interesting having that having that that dirt flavor with the
sharpness of the of the of the three chord.
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It's just it's weird because the because the finished last so long.
And it's got that heat for so long.
And then you you you take in something that's got you know, got a dirt or flavor to it.
It's kind of a weird combo.
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But but I say it that way.
But they really are staying out of each other's way because that's that's in the back of the
palette when things are done.
Not when things are fresh.
Does that make any sense?
Yeah.
No, my take was similar.
I thought they stayed at each other way.
The the drink draw did make it a little dirtier, but not there was no real big change.
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Yeah, I didn't I didn't think it did that the retrohale did a similar thing though.
Like I got more dirt doing a retrohale than normal and that was but otherwise it's a solid
classic.
Right.
That is a dirty earth would.
It is a dirty retro.
Yeah.
But it's not super strong either.
It's a very reasonable retrohale.
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It's not super peppery or anything like that.
Not bad.
Yeah, it's good.
So yeah.
So, well before we get back and finish this driverless thing.
I mean, we've done some we've done some hinting at old school stuff.
Microfizz.
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Yeah, we've made references.
Yeah.
The incredible shrieking woman.
Sure.
And what when we were on the break here, we were saying the almond brothers and the almond
brothers.
Almond brothers.
You were talking about the squeeze lemon.
Oh, they came in the lemon shaped classic container.
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Yeah, I'm not using that.
That's a throw that that's a throwback right there.
I know they still make it.
They still make it.
I know they still make it.
I don't know anybody buys it.
But yeah, not a do I.
I don't know if anybody that buys it anymore.
I don't know how they're still in business.
But in the 70s and 80s.
Oh, that was all that anybody had.
That was yeah, that was a staple at a bar.
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What the heck is that?
Anyway, it was lemon flavored up of I don't even know.
I have no clue what it was.
What it is.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know what it is, but it shouldn't exist.
But yeah, staple back in the day was.
Oh my God, this stupid plastic lemon.
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We grew out of it though.
I do appreciate that it was the shape of a lemon though.
That was good marketing.
Yeah, that was good marketing.
It made me feel like it was more like a lemon than it was.
And lime.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's true.
Yellow and green.
They had the lemon.
They had the lime.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I just horrid.
Anyway, I'm not going to make an old version with those.
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And I would advise the same for all of you listening do not make it all fashion with
that gross lemon plastic lemon.
Are you saying crap and crap out?
Yes.
You know, there got to be people that love that stuff.
Well, there's sure.
Sure.
Sure.
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There's.
There's.
I mean, I believe the term is it takes all kinds.
Mm hmm.
Yeah.
Yeah, there's all kinds of.
I mean, yeah, I'm going to go to.
I would have will say though is if you're like, Oh no.
I'm actually really a fan of that.
I'm going to I'm going to call on the judgment everything you've ever said in the past.
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I'm like, Oh, I got to pivot this whole person's influence on my life.
I don't know if I can listen to them anymore.
I can't trust anything.
I can listen, but I can't hear.
Hey, at least they told you what they think.
They told you the truth from their point of view.
Oh, I know how embarrassing must that be?
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If they're willing to open up like that to you, you know, that's a friend, but there's
a friend with with questionable judgment.
We all have those friends.
Yeah, we do frequently.
I'm that guy.
So sad.
Okay.
Yeah, 80 80,000 pound vehicle.
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Yeah.
Yeah, does not stop on a dime.
No.
If you've seen them try, you can see all the rubber that disappears off the road into
smoke and go, he stood on those breaks.
Yeah, you're like, dude, you shouldn't have done that.
Whatever you did to make him cram that, you shouldn't have done that.
(32:31):
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's often cutting them off and hitting their brakes.
Oh, Jesus Christ.
I like that they I like that they interviewed a car and truck wreck attorney.
Yes.
That's that's freaking awesome.
I love that they did that.
Now the question is, is this the attorney that represented Aurora in the crash?
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Right.
Or is it a attorney that represent the plaintiff?
Yeah.
They didn't say that.
They didn't say one way or the other here.
This just could be to get somebody's opinion that's in the wreck vehicle.
So the next line might make me think she may be working for Aurora.
(33:15):
Okay.
With the right believes more testing needs to be done and wants to see more data released
publicly.
She also raises concerns about the technology being hacked.
So that's a defense position.
The truck was hacked and made the crash happen.
It's not our fault.
I guess we'll pay for it, but there's no culpability.
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We're just going to pay out the civil suit.
What?
Right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
But I mean, really that that same the those same concerns are for any autonomous vehicle,
even definitely more so with tractor trailers because they will wreck through just about
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anything.
Mm hmm.
At least as bad as the movie show.
Yeah, probably not quite as bad as what the movie show.
So they don't blow up when they hit things?
It bounced on an orange peel and it blew up.
Well, I think I told you we saw the one on fire in the median.
Yeah.
On the way to Alabama, the Decatur Alabama, I think it was.
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And it and a number of other vehicles were on fire.
And I know it sounds funny, but I think I mentioned it before.
Laser beams from outer space.
As we drove past it, I slumped down in the car and got between me and the upright between
the front and back, you know, that upright.
Yeah.
Because if it blew up and sent shrapnel my way, I wanted an extra little piece of the car
(34:47):
between me and it.
And the irony was the engine blew up just as we passed it.
But it was largely uneventful.
It just went and more fire came out.
But nothing went anywhere.
Right.
It was just a boom.
But I was like, oh, I was right.
It was going to blow up right as I went past.
But wow, that was impressive.
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I mean, what?
The tractor trailer, two other cars, a trailer carrying a caterpillar bulldozer was on fire
on the other side of the road.
It was quite, quite the scene.
How very bad backs.
Oh, it was messed up.
Anyway.
Yeah.
That's that that should break bad when it breaks bad.
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That wasn't caused by an accident.
That was caused by laser beams from outer space.
Martians did it.
We've got a treaty with the Martians.
We're fine with that.
It wasn't that.
We've got a treaty with the Martians.
It was probably the lizard people.
I mean, everybody knows that.
Oh, definitely the lizard people.
So and then Al Yankovich music video comes to mind.
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Mm hmm.
Aluminium.
Boy.
So we are going this way.
And I think I've even mentioned before, I know I mentioned before, that I think in
the not so distant future, the table's going to turn on the driverless car and the driver
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to where you're going to now have to have a special license to actually operate your
vehicle versus letting the auto driver do it because you're potentially too unsafe
compared to the auto driver.
Right.
Yeah.
I think it'll flip.
Yeah.
And that's probably, I believe that.
I think they will eventually be better than we are because I've seen the drivers out there
(36:41):
and they are very dangerous.
I did.
You know, they were dangerous back when we were younger.
And we were going slower, but and they're, they're much more dangerous now because cell
phones, cell phones, cell phones handling and acceleration of vehicles is so much better
than it used to be.
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Driver drivers on their cell phone.
Mm hmm.
Are the bane of my fucking existence.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But it's illegal to carry a disruptor.
So unfortunately, well, no, you can carry it, but you can't turn it on.
True.
That's not the illegal part.
The illegal part is where you provide power to it.
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Cigars look herbore and CLM Raiders do not constitute any type of legal entity and do
not offer legal advice.
But I know what's illegal, but it's illegal to turn those on.
Yeah.
But don't turn them on.
There was a guy in Florida that did that.
Yeah.
Oh, it makes sense.
Yeah.
And he was so pissed off at at drivers on their cell phone that he he did on his commute
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into work.
I thought about it.
And then I looked it up and then I looked it up.
Nope.
I can't do it.
Yeah.
And it became a problem because now people are going, what the fuck's going on with my
phone.
So instead of partially paying attention to the road, there was no.
Just being a no.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So the highway patrol did a sting and caught him in the act.
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So yeah, don't do that.
I know you want to.
Don't do it.
Yep.
All right.
Let's see.
Is there much left?
I don't know.
There's too much left to really review in the article.
Yeah.
Just some of it's just more safety decisions to be made by the truck and the software
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that runs the truck technically.
Well, I like this part by the end of the year.
Yes.
Aurora plans to expand to El Paso and Phoenix, Arizona.
Yeah.
So it's it is.
And then over the next several years across the entire southern United States, which makes
sense because we got the most open road.
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Yes.
Right.
That's the safe part, right?
Open road.
Yep.
And don't mess up for the next 70 miles.
Right.
That's the safe part.
When you get more highly populated areas, and then there's a lot more you got.
So I think statute of limitations is up.
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Mm.
No.
So I, I started driving when I was 11.
Yeah.
Darryl knows the story.
Yeah.
Well, we've said it on the show at least a couple of times.
Okay.
But what would happen is I would, you know, we would drive.
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Mom didn't drive at the time.
So it's just dad and we would go, you know, San Antonio to Houston or footwork to Houston
and, you know, for family events like, you know, Thanksgiving and Christmas and stuff
like that.
I was 12, 13 when dad dad was really tired one time and he's like, it's the free one.
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You want to give this a go?
It's the free one.
Why don't you drive?
So then I started driving, I started driving on the freeway and slowly, you know, whenever
we came, whenever we came to a town we were going to be in, you know, go through like
Houston or pull over and swap or even Huntsville.
Yeah, pull over dad, get back in the driver's seat and drive them.
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So I did this for years before I was legally able to do.
I'm not a driver.
Time and experience does not make one better at driving.
I just gotten better at avoiding.
Hey, avoiding accidents is 90% driving.
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Yeah, I think it is.
Oh my God.
I've seen, I've done stuff on the road and my daughter was in the car and she's like,
Oh my God, that was really lucky.
I go, that wasn't lucky.
I saw that car with acting like a fool and I got out of the lane.
And it wasn't seconds later.
Awesome.
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Stupid crap happens.
And you're like, Uh huh.
It sounds weird saying it this way, but cars have a body language.
I've said that a lot.
Yeah.
They have a body language.
Yep.
And if someone's acting squirrely, get away from it.
Get away from them.
Absolutely.
But the first skill is developing the recognition of the body language.
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Yeah.
Because not everybody has it.
I would be happy if more people thought further ahead.
So there you got you.
One of the one of the driving habits that just I just don't understand is, you know, somebody
will drive up really fast right into your bumper.
(42:03):
Oh, right.
And they will hang right at your bumper to where you can't see the front of their hood.
Right.
And then when you when you change lanes or whatever and you know, they they have a gap
open up to them, well, they gun it right up to the next person.
And that's how they drive.
Yeah.
What is that all about?
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I don't.
I've never understood that.
I don't know.
Oh, and hanging on somebody's bumper, when you got a lane, you know they want to go
faster.
Yeah.
But they've got a lane, one lane over that's open enough that they could go down and they
don't do it.
So I just don't understand this.
Yeah.
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And it does not work that way.
I don't get it.
I just don't.
I think that you can enjoy driving a lot more if you're a less observant driver.
So I was starting to enjoy life a whole lot more.
Yeah.
Less observant.
Because the casual driver was like, oh, I love driving.
He's got there on cruise.
I can't enjoy driving.
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I don't enjoy it.
Not one second because it's like being on high alert the entire time.
Yeah.
And I was just starting to, you know, I was doing as I was narrating what I was doing
and thinking while I was driving for, you know, the kids as they started to come up and
drive and go, okay, so here's what you want to do.
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And I just started narrating what I was thinking, what I was looking at where I was going.
And my wife was in the car too.
And about halfway through she goes, oh my God, I know why you hate driving.
I'm always looking at something.
I'm like, okay, there's this.
This is busy.
So I'm checking my side views about every five to 10 seconds to make sure do I have a
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lane I can veer into if something comes to me.
Absolutely.
Can I veer or can I not veer?
Yep.
And do I need to have my brakes?
Can I veer or can I, and all that is constant.
Yeah.
Because if the person is driving miserable, if the person in front of you slams on their
brakes and you haven't already found out if you've got a place to go, right?
(44:18):
Then you're going to be an accident.
Yep.
And I've been in that before.
It's happened.
Yep.
And I, you know, I'm sure I'd like to say it's just an over a button.
That's not necessary.
But it's happened before where somebody just pounds it and I'm like, oh, there's no way
I'm stopping.
But I know I got the left of me and I flip out.
Yep.
And even though I'm hitting my brakes, I'm a car link ahead of them by the time I
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slowed down because they, they cut me off and slammed their brakes.
But if I didn't have that left lane or knew I had that left lane.
Yep.
I'd have been in trouble.
Yeah.
You, I don't know.
Yeah.
You know what?
I think, I think both of us are kind of that way when it comes to driving.
Let's talk about better things like where we're going to rank the cigar and liquor.
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Okay.
Yeah.
Cause I don't want to talk about driving.
I'm even just talking about driving is making me nervous.
It stresses me out, man.
Totally.
All right.
So, huh.
Okay.
This one's actually kind of easy for me.
Yeah.
No, I got my spot.
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I'm still working on mine.
Give me a, give me a moment.
Okay.
I, it's a weird spot though.
Well, this one's like I said, classic.
It doesn't have a lot of definition.
So what group does it go into, right?
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Cause we, we put them into like little ponds of.
Yeah, but this one isn't the same as those around it.
Right.
But I can't, I can't go any higher with it.
I'm fine.
Um, and once you, once you, once you look at it, then I'll talk about what.
(46:07):
All right.
I want to go first.
Um, okay.
Not, not an actual surprise here.
Okay.
So Daryl put this in the number 15 slot, the three chords, uh, put that number 15 spot
just below the hog's worth and just above trails end.
Uh, and to brand out the top five, uh, we have the Eagle Rare 10 at five, uh, Russell's
(46:36):
reserve single barrel.
Number four, the Balcon is lineage at number three, the 1845 preemption reverence casket
number two and remiss volume eight still at number one.
So I have to confess that I can cheat a little where you can't cheat.
So you have to remember the cigars because you can't smoke all the cigars in the top
(46:59):
10 or whatever like that, whatever.
But I don't have that limitation.
True enough.
So I can go in and touch a little bit of this, a little bit of that before the show beforehand
and see.
And then go, okay.
So yeah.
So I have a little bit of cheating going on.
Um, you put the punch classical at number 11 just below the Caldwell Midnight Express at
(47:25):
number 10 and the David off Winston Churchill at number 12.
You see what I mean by, I put it in a slot where it doesn't really.
Yeah.
Right.
The, the midnight express and the David off though they don't have, well, the David off
a little bit, right?
Cause the, the, the David off is, well, it was different that the David off was different
(47:50):
than most David offs.
Uh, and it was a really good David off.
Right.
But the midnight express, midnight express doesn't have some of these classic flavors.
Right.
So, uh, you know, you have to go up the list a little bit more to get some of those classic
flavors, but I didn't, but I didn't do it.
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But like you said, no, it does make sense because it is in that classic flavor of the
David off because below that at 13 and 14, you got the Ferrioteg, well, metropolitan host,
Maduro and the Espa nose of 601, La Bamba sake, those are very different cigars.
And above it, you got the mid-wide express and the Hemingway bestseller.
(48:36):
Those are start, like the midnight express is bolder.
The Hemingway starts to add some of the, um, spices, baking spices.
So in a way, the punch landed in a very small pond, which was with the David off.
And you just thought it was a little bit better in the David off.
Yeah.
That's it.
That doesn't make sense.
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But to your off air question earlier, how did it do compared to the diesel original?
Mm.
So the diesel original, because I feel like the diesel originals also kind of fairly classic
cigar diesel originals, not that far ahead of it.
It's just ahead of the Fuente at the number eight position.
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And the Rocky Patel, LB one is in a similar, similar category as well as the heritage
at number six, the part I guess heritage.
I feel like I'm on the same, but I agree with you.
I think the heritage, the detail on the diesel were all definitely better.
Yeah.
Yeah.
All right.
So round out the number five, Tom five list on the cigars and this is the big sky bitter
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root at number five, the Evan Shurik King's gold at number four.
The AJ Manowar Armada at number three, the Evan Shurik Blue, I, Jax revenge at number
two and the Perdomo 20th anniversary Maduro still reigns number one at a very reasonably
priced $11.
Oh, I'm telling you.
(50:05):
I mean, really?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Got 11 number one at 11.
That's a completely average price in a shop, right?
Yes.
Even though it's an anniversary, even though it's currently your favorite, it's still
a reasonably priced cigar.
It's not 20.
It's not even 15.
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So that's, it's, it's, it's, it's really incredible cigar in that price point.
Especially that, but we're not supposed to be factoring price.
No, no, not for the ranking.
And you're not not for the ranking.
Yeah.
Not for the ranking.
Everything, everything really does need to go through the, the lens of money, but the
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end of the day comes out.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Not for this ranking.
Not in the ranking, but in the ranking.
Yeah.
So, and having a cigar that is that good at that price point is phenomenal.
Yes.
Yeah.
That's very good.
Fortunately for us.
Yeah.
All right, man.
Most excellent.
Ah, feel better.
Heck yeah.
Welcome to today's episode in this episode.
(00:04):
We'll have the Punch Classico,
and with it, three-chord from the Ammon Brother Band backstage series.
Three-chord.
You're hanging out with Bill and Daryl with cigars, liquor, and more.
All right, well, the Punch Classico is a six and a quarter by 50.
(00:27):
Ecuadorian Sumatra rapper, Connecticut binder, and Honduran, Dominican,
and Nicaraguan fillers, and an MSRP of $7.
Three-chord, Ammon Brother Band liquor backstage series,
is finished in toasted peach wood,
bottled at 95%.
(00:48):
I'm sorry, 95 proof.
95%.
That'd be high.
95 proof.
And has an SRP of 45.
And in all fairness, I wasn't able to actually find it anymore.
Yeah, I know that it's, you know, I don't know, limited or small,
but I couldn't find it anymore.
So I looked at other three-chords to give an approximate value,
(01:11):
because all of them were between 45 and 50.
So I figured this one was between 45 and 50.
I'm pretty sure it is, yeah.
Yeah.
All righty.
Cool.
There we are.
Well, the cold draw was very neutral.
There's not a lot there.
You know, the classic smacked up tobacco.
Yeah.
A little sweetness to it, but lit it up.
(01:32):
Well, let it settle in.
Mine, I'm only quarter.
It just lit.
So let's get a nose.
See, I'm wondering if there's any peach odor on peach scent,
peach feeling.
No, the toast, I like toasted.
Toasted staves.
You like toasted peaches?
No, no, no, no, the toasted barrel.
(01:55):
I doubt peach wood brings any flavor of peaches.
No, no, it doesn't.
But toasted, you know, generally brings out more vanilla for me.
Absolutely.
This is definitely, I could talk you straight for a room whiskey.
It is.
It is.
So the nose is kind of hot, even for 95.
(02:19):
Yeah, so much so that it's difficult to.
So it's not just me.
No.
Okay.
It's difficult to pick stuff out.
And for 95, that's not common.
Yeah.
But almond brothers, you had to check out the almond brothers, right?
Albin.
Yeah.
Not almond.
I did say almond the first time.
(02:40):
Yeah, I noticed I was hoping you'd let it go.
Well, you said it twice now.
So I had the.
Yes.
Yeah.
Albin brothers.
You're inferring the D. I said, Alman.
I'm inferring the D.
No, I think if you play back to tape, you'll hear the D in the first one.
(03:01):
Yes.
The second to twice.
No, the next two.
You said it that way.
I'm telling you, you did.
Alman brothers.
Oh, I'm an almond.
It's like a man.
Oh, man.
Oh, man.
Oh, man.
It's an almond band, right?
Well, they are brothers.
Are they?
(03:22):
I don't know for sure.
Well, all man brothers.
Were they?
You wouldn't want an all woman brothers.
Are they in fact brothers?
I don't know.
I don't know.
I was never a fan.
So this might be the right time of the episode to mention that we've.
Pre-drunk a little before the meeting.
(03:44):
So what coming in hot to this podcast.
We may not stick the landing.
But we will definitely hit the ground.
Oh, we're landing.
There's a lot of people who are going to be in the field.
We're coming in hot.
(04:05):
As long as it's not that one where like how in the last 20 feet did the plane flip upside
down?
What the heck was that all about?
What do you have to do that?
You have to really want to do something.
We're not doing that.
We're not doing that.
We're better than that.
We could.
We could.
(04:26):
All right.
I will say.
It does diverge from being strictly a Kentucky paper urban whiskey with a little bit of a
fruit flavor, but is very mild.
And I don't know that I'd call it peach.
So that's not peach.
Well, it doesn't come across peach to me.
No, but there's something in the fruit category there.
(04:51):
And it's really mild.
But it's a strictly Kentucky paper whiskey.
It's pretty good.
It's a little hot.
And that's about it.
I keep backtracking on all my compliments.
Don't I?
Sure.
It's not Ohio.
Let's go to the bottle.
Not that they're going to tell you on the bottle.
I read the bottle earlier, but I didn't.
(05:13):
I don't remember everything.
It said a blend of straight bourbon whiskeys finished with toasted peach wood.
So that's not necessarily a peach barrel.
That could be peach wood staves.
Yes.
Yeah, they did not say barrel.
Oh my.
Okay.
So they've got microfiche.
Okay.
(05:34):
So for people born after, what do you think?
Ninety microfiche was very, very small film that books and documents and mostly newspapers
were on that you could check out in the library and look at a microfiche reader.
And it is so small, you need a microscope to read it.
(05:58):
And that is what this bottle is.
There's zero chance of me reading this bill.
You want to take a stab at it so that I'm not the only opinion.
No, okay.
Is that readable?
Oh my God.
I got my glasses on.
This was this was written by the incredible shrinking woman.
Oh, wow.
(06:19):
That's a kickback.
Really?
Tomlin.
Oh, yeah.
But you were talking about microfiche, so I had to do something in that era.
This is terrible.
And yeah, this would be normal size print when she was small.
Bigger sticker.
It's not like they're out of bottle space on the back.
Oh, no, it's a huge bottle.
It's a good size.
(06:40):
It's a normal size bottle.
They could have put normal size print on it.
There you go.
But then they couldn't tell their story.
So the Allman brothers were an American rock band formed in Jacksonville, Florida in 1969.
It's founding members were brothers, Duane, Duane, Allman, Sly guitar, Lee guitar and
Greg Allman, Volcosa keyboards, as well as Dickey Betts, Barry Oakley, butch trucks.
(07:07):
Not brothers.
And Jay, Johnny, Jermaine, Jermone, Johnson.
So it's a lie.
Well, the founding members were brothers.
OK.
All right, well, two of them were brothers, anyway.
Two of the five?
Two of the five.
So they should be called 20% Allman brothers.
(07:30):
Oh, and it's two Wells, by the way.
I'm sorry, 40%.
Why did I do my bad?
I don't know why.
Coming in hot.
Coming in hot.
All right.
40% seems better.
Still not half.
All right.
So what are they known for here?
Let's let's see.
Go your own way.
(07:52):
And now the Allman brothers.
An entire article about the band in No Soul.
That's why they did go your own way.
That's hilarious.
I'm probably wrong.
I'm not good at this.
Do you remember we vowed not to do pop cultures?
I wasn't doing anything except reading.
(08:15):
OK.
You were the one guessing.
I'll give you that.
My bad.
But they aren't just this article is poorly written.
All right.
Give me a table.
Skip it.
There's so long.
We don't care.
Skip it.
It doesn't matter.
That's that's that's that's what it should be.
It should be contained a table.
(08:36):
No, I hear you.
Whoever did this.
I'm on board.
It's on the psychedelic drugs.
They were talking about one of these songs being about.
So enough of that.
OK.
I said you know and don't end up with that.
It does kind of have a I don't know almost like a four roses
kind of vibe to it.
(08:57):
Yeah, because they took four roses
and stuck it in a barrel with some peach taste.
I'm starting to think that.
Anyway, it's a solid offering.
It comes off a little hot at 95.
Yeah, it comes otherwise it's good.
It's Kentucky's paper of whiskey.
It the 95, you know, you look at 95, you think, oh, yeah,
that'll be that'll be easy.
(09:18):
Yeah, another.
But now this thing's got a little kick to me.
Yeah, it comes off much harder than what that 95 says.
So OK.
And as far as the flavor goes, yeah, I I'm not getting I'm not
getting fruit.
I get it.
It's so little.
Right.
But I'm getting I'm getting the the wood and the vanilla
(09:40):
and and a long long finish.
It is a long finish.
Yeah, I didn't even talk about it.
I ain't thinking about that till now.
That that heat stays with you.
The heat that's not normally what you want in a finish.
But it does.
But it's more than just the heat there.
(10:01):
There is the flavor also.
It's long.
There.
Yeah.
Yes.
But the most notable thing is is the heat and the long
I give you that I give you that.
So not something you come across regularly.
Now the cigar is in fact well named.
(10:24):
It is very classic this.
If if you gave me I didn't actually start smoking a cigar
till probably 89 90.
But if you gave somebody a cigar in the 80s,
this was the cigar.
It take all of them tasted like this.
(10:45):
All bunch of them did.
Yeah, it's it is classic.
It.
Now how do you describe that?
See, I think it's it's earthenwood, but mild in both cases.
So when I think of classic cigars, which is kind of what
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this is meant to convey literally named.
To me, it means we can't use Cuban anymore.
Post embargo.
We can't use Cuban anymore.
So we went to Dominican Republic.
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We went to Nicaragua.
We went to all these different places.
And we took seed with us to.
Right.
So we did that.
And what we were going for, right?
This is way back when.
Yeah.
What we're going for is as close as we could to the to the classic
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Cuban flavors.
Right.
Right.
And aside from aside from a few labels,
really the Cuban punch was kind of the first breakout, the first one
that was really different than the rest of the human brands,
because it was much more bold, right?
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It was much more it was much more.
Nicaragua.
Yeah, it was much more like that.
So having that's that's what I think of when I think of the name.
And really, I kind of think of that when I think of the flavor as well.
So I would say that they named it well.
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It's classic.
And in fact, this is this is the classic punch band, too.
Yeah.
If you just take the classical off the bottom,
this is the punch band.
It's been around forever and ever.
Forever.
Since before my time.
So I guess in a way, this might be a good introduction
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for hey, this is what almost everything tasted like in the 80s and early 90s.
So I love the I love the dark wrapper.
And of course, my stack and dime.
Yeah, almost white ash.
Yeah, good burn.
That looks really, really good.
Now, I will say that I do have a plug in here somewhere.
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Yeah.
I've got a tougher than average draw.
Yeah, you tried to clear it before the show.
Yeah, Daryl doesn't have this problem.
No.
So it's this.
I got a nice medium draw.
It's this stick and it is much right right around where that band is.
It is it is very firm right in there.
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You think that's where it's at?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Something folded over bad.
Something.
I don't know.
But good news is it's just this stick.
Yeah, both of them did it.
You'd be more concerned about a manufacturing problem.
But if it's just this stick, it's a handmade product.
Yeah.
Things can go off.
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It's fine.
It's not like I wouldn't ever smoke another one.
It's a heavier draw.
It's just this one heavier.
Yes, the taste still comes through.
It doesn't stop that.
Oh, right.
Lovely.
And it does have it does have a nice little earthy flavor to it.
Almost like a dirt type of earth.
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Yep.
Yeah, like I said, it's classic.
It doesn't have the baking spices that we've really come to see in the newer age.
So it is earth, wood, dirt.
It's that's that was the cigar for years and years and years and years.
And unfortunately, no must.
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Hmm.
That's fine and no paper.
But it's it's a it's a clear classic.
It's well named.
I feel like they named it not.
Absolutely.
The insane or the maniac or, you know, so many others here like, I don't think you named
yourself right.
This should be crazier psycho.
Psycho is the one we called out.
Yeah.
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The one that I don't think was named appropriately.
OK.
All right.
You good on the first third?
I am.
All right.
I am.
Did you see the MSN article about driverless?
Semi trucks on the roads in North Texas.
I saw a blurb.
I don't know if it was from MSN, but I did see a blurb.
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Yeah.
Everybody's got the same articles, right?
Yeah.
I did not I did not read into the article, but I did see this blurb.
And this is something that we've we've talked about that this is this is where we knew was
going.
Yes.
This is the key.
Yeah.
Yeah.
All the consumer drivers of Teslas primarily because I think they got most miles on an
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auto driver.
They were all guinea pigs to make semi more cost effective semi trucks.
Yeah.
To make semis more cost effective by getting rid of drivers.
Yeah.
That's exactly right.
OK.
So I'm not going to dig that a lot of hydrogen as a fuel source, hydrogen fuel cells will
be next.
I think so too.
And once you can pack that in and they can go cross country on one field, Phil.
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Oh, yeah.
Yeah, baby.
So I'm going to skip some of the floral language.
Yes.
They're driver.
They're driverless trucks in North Texas.
The company is Aurora innovation driverless, but not unaccompanied.
Yeah.
Right.
Right.
So you've got a truck driver.
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Well, I don't want to say they're a truck driver, actually.
They have a driver in the back, not the back of the truck, but in the, you know, not in
the driver's seat.
And they were running operations on I 45 between Dallas and Houston.
The president of Aurora innovations, Osa Fisher said the company's Aurora driver system
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is powered by sensors, cameras and radars.
They can see a 360 world around the vehicle for football fields in any directions, which
is amazing.
Yeah.
Fisher said these trucks can operate 24 seven, which is a game changer for an industry facing
labor shortages and rising demand.
Now, I do remember the labor shortages because I remember maybe six months ago, Walmart
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up there pay like 20 or $30,000 for tractor trailer drivers.
They were going to get 120.
I think it was.
We, I think we covered it in a show, but it was somewhere around that it was over a hundred
for a truck driver.
So not a surprise.
They're going to automate this.
Oh, yeah.
Plus drivers can only drive for so many hours.
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Yep.
Whereas if you've got a, let's call them a monitor, they can sleep while the truck drives
and then their hours can be different hours than a truck driver's hours.
They could be much higher.
So it could move.
They don't have the mandatory brakes or mandatory non drive time.
And I mean, you, you make sure every chair, every, every truck that's auto driving is
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not going to skip going to the scales.
Right.
Every truck that's auto driving is, you know, you're going to be hopefully more aware of
its surroundings.
Right.
Right.
Because I mean, people are people, right?
You've got, you know, different, you know, you get people that are, you know, they, they
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get sick, right?
They get tired.
They get all this.
They get Matthew, all this stuff.
And it becomes a distraction.
So the, the semi, the driverless semi trucks won't have that problem.
Right.
And this is what we expected when we saw that I thought it was, I might have a number wrong.
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Musk wanted $16,000 per license for the auto driver, full auto driver.
And I was like, Oh, that's because he wants to sell it to tractor trailers.
That's not about this car.
People aren't paying that.
I mean, some people might, but most people are not, but tractor trailers absolutely will.
Yep.
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In fact, I mentioned that as well.
Tractor chair is a good driverless.
And then what you actually will have is not a tractor trailer driver in the driver's
seat.
What you'll actually have is a IT programmer who can work on programming.
And then when the truck needs to be refilled, a go out and refill the truck or a rider
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or somebody else who can work just at a keyboard and just do whatever.
Yeah.
Say you're a novelist or you're a programmer or name something you can just do while
sitting in a sub cab of the truck and then just go fill it with gas every four hours.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
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So and doing this on the Dallas.
So 45 between Dallas and Houston specifically, very specific.
The part of 45.
This between Comro and Houston that that stretch of 45 has been under construction.
All my life, right.
All my life.
And nothing but gridlock.
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That's got to be the safest thing to put a truck on because it probably never goes over
40.
Well, it's got to recognize the speed limit, drive the speed limit, which can be both good
and bad.
It doesn't have to recognize that.
All I has to do is not run the car in front of it and do 40 or 30 or 10.
Yeah.
And stay in its lane, right?
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As you're going through the construction areas.
But what I know what I was getting at was because that area is constantly under construction,
you learn a lot there.
And it's different, right?
It's a little bit over here, a little bit over here, a little bit over here.
And it changes over time.
So as you're driving through that corridor, you're you're getting real good exposure to
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construction areas.
True.
You're getting real good exposure to, you know, moving on to, you know, going from concrete
to asphalt is you're moving off of the areas they're going to work on.
The lines may not be all that well defined because they weren't repainted for the redirect.
Right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, yeah, I mean, there's a whole lot of experience that could be gained.
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Yeah.
Just in that part.
Yeah.
Of 45.
So yeah, great place to do research on driverless.
And it fairly low speeds because it's really not doing 70.
Yeah.
There's no way it's doing 70 net corridor.
No.
Now they did go out of their way.
I thought it was funny.
That they they definitely went out of their way to mention this in the article is not an
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accident.
We're really helping the industry help America, she said.
The governor in particular, he supported our launch.
He came out with a quote endorsing a door Aurora as being on the innovation front here
in Texas.
You definitely want to stay.
The governor has our support.
We're not doing this on the down low.
We didn't just throw some cars out in the highway and make them driverless.
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We had we had some signed approvals.
Right.
Yeah.
Well, you got to go through text dot right in theory.
I mean, that's what I mean, Tesla didn't do that.
They just threw it at that.
That's a that's a that's a that's a personal vehicle.
True.
Not a commercial vehicle.
Yeah.
Commercial vehicles have to go through text dot Texas Department of Transportation.
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So yeah, but we are favorable to.
Yeah.
And you want to try that?
Well, let's come up with the plan and do it.
Yeah.
They made sure to tell us that they release safety reports showing how the technology
works.
The company collaborated with federal and state agencies.
They have three million miles on public roads, billions of miles and simulations where they've
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tested various use cases to make sure that we're safe and gracious and how we're driving.
I mean, not being a dick.
Right.
The company did have one minor crash involving a truck traveling between Fort Worth and El
Paso, but the authorities determined it was caused by an out of control driver in another
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vehicle.
Yeah.
Which really a lot of the a lot of the semi accidents are.
Yeah.
That.
Yeah.
Because I mean, people are I'm just going to come out and say it.
People are decks on the road.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You got something that cannot stop on a dime.
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Right.
And you're going to cut it off.
Cut it off.
Yeah.
No, don't.
I see it happen all the time.
I do too.
So it's crazy.
I try not to.
I don't want to be.
I really do not want to be the lead car in front of a semi.
I try to avoid that.
I do too.
I very much do as well.
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And if I'm going to get directly in front of a semi, I make sure I there's a gap, a
healthy gap between us when I move over.
Yeah.
Same.
Same because those things those things don't play.
No, they will crush you like a like a sardine can.
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You can't.
Anyway, well, that's actually part of the next paragraph detailing it.
It's one minor crash.
But you're talking about Aurora, who has only driven minimal number of miles, experienced
car and truck wreck attorney, Amy, with right said when you're talking about an 80,000 pound
vehicle, there's a mistake made the likelihood of somebody dying or getting catastrophic.
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The injured goes way up, which is not just why you want to be cautious about it.
Because you want to be cautious for all accidents.
I mean, we've seen things where the Tesla was the one at fault, not attractor trailer
driver, right?
And it just didn't realize that that was, you know, the same color as the sky and smashed
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into it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Specifically attractor trailer.
I remember right.
One of the accidents.
So, you know, this is very important, but it also you have to realize it's the future
and there's no way around it.
Oh, yeah.
It's coming.
Yeah.
I guess technically it's here.
You want to do a mid break and come back?
Yeah.
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I think I think it's time we take a little break.
Okay.
Well, unfortunately, I do apologize.
I don't have lemon right now.
So we can't make it all fashion tonight.
Yeah.
That's my bad.
I was supposed to go get it.
That's okay.
We'll be right back.
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CLN.
So popular in the seventies.
All right.
Well, let's let's think about the midpoint here.
I got no transition.
Well, what we haven't covered is the drink draw, draw a drink.
And I neglected to mention a retrial.
So let's cover that.
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Do you want to let's cover?
Do you have anything in particular you want to start with?
Well, I'm going to start with them individually saying that there is no transition on the
cigar.
Yeah, cigar is exactly the same.
Even if my plug is still there.
So I haven't burned through that yet.
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And of course, the liquor doesn't change in combination.
I don't think they help each other.
I don't think they hurt each other.
I think they kind of stayed out of each other's way.
It is it is a little bit interesting having that having that that dirt flavor with the
sharpness of the of the of the three chord.
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It's just it's weird because the because the finished last so long.
And it's got that heat for so long.
And then you you you take in something that's got you know, got a dirt or flavor to it.
It's kind of a weird combo.
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But but I say it that way.
But they really are staying out of each other's way because that's that's in the back of the
palette when things are done.
Not when things are fresh.
Does that make any sense?
Yeah.
No, my take was similar.
I thought they stayed at each other way.
The the drink draw did make it a little dirtier, but not there was no real big change.
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Yeah, I didn't I didn't think it did that the retrohale did a similar thing though.
Like I got more dirt doing a retrohale than normal and that was but otherwise it's a solid
classic.
Right.
That is a dirty earth would.
It is a dirty retro.
Yeah.
But it's not super strong either.
It's a very reasonable retrohale.
(28:48):
It's not super peppery or anything like that.
Not bad.
Yeah, it's good.
So yeah.
So, well before we get back and finish this driverless thing.
I mean, we've done some we've done some hinting at old school stuff.
Microfizz.
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Yeah, we've made references.
Yeah.
The incredible shrieking woman.
Sure.
And what when we were on the break here, we were saying the almond brothers and the almond
brothers.
Almond brothers.
You were talking about the squeeze lemon.
Oh, they came in the lemon shaped classic container.
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Yeah, I'm not using that.
That's a throw that that's a throwback right there.
I know they still make it.
They still make it.
I know they still make it.
I don't know anybody buys it.
But yeah, not a do I.
I don't know if anybody that buys it anymore.
I don't know how they're still in business.
But in the 70s and 80s.
Oh, that was all that anybody had.
That was yeah, that was a staple at a bar.
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What the heck is that?
Anyway, it was lemon flavored up of I don't even know.
I have no clue what it was.
What it is.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know what it is, but it shouldn't exist.
But yeah, staple back in the day was.
Oh my God, this stupid plastic lemon.
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We grew out of it though.
I do appreciate that it was the shape of a lemon though.
That was good marketing.
Yeah, that was good marketing.
It made me feel like it was more like a lemon than it was.
And lime.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's true.
Yellow and green.
They had the lemon.
They had the lime.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I just horrid.
Anyway, I'm not going to make an old version with those.
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And I would advise the same for all of you listening do not make it all fashion with
that gross lemon plastic lemon.
Are you saying crap and crap out?
Yes.
You know, there got to be people that love that stuff.
Well, there's sure.
Sure.
Sure.
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There's.
There's.
I mean, I believe the term is it takes all kinds.
Mm hmm.
Yeah.
Yeah, there's all kinds of.
I mean, yeah, I'm going to go to.
I would have will say though is if you're like, Oh no.
I'm actually really a fan of that.
I'm going to I'm going to call on the judgment everything you've ever said in the past.
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I'm like, Oh, I got to pivot this whole person's influence on my life.
I don't know if I can listen to them anymore.
I can't trust anything.
I can listen, but I can't hear.
Hey, at least they told you what they think.
They told you the truth from their point of view.
Oh, I know how embarrassing must that be?
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If they're willing to open up like that to you, you know, that's a friend, but there's
a friend with with questionable judgment.
We all have those friends.
Yeah, we do frequently.
I'm that guy.
So sad.
Okay.
Yeah, 80 80,000 pound vehicle.
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Yeah.
Yeah, does not stop on a dime.
No.
If you've seen them try, you can see all the rubber that disappears off the road into
smoke and go, he stood on those breaks.
Yeah, you're like, dude, you shouldn't have done that.
Whatever you did to make him cram that, you shouldn't have done that.
(32:31):
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's often cutting them off and hitting their brakes.
Oh, Jesus Christ.
I like that they I like that they interviewed a car and truck wreck attorney.
Yes.
That's that's freaking awesome.
I love that they did that.
Now the question is, is this the attorney that represented Aurora in the crash?
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Right.
Or is it a attorney that represent the plaintiff?
Yeah.
They didn't say that.
They didn't say one way or the other here.
This just could be to get somebody's opinion that's in the wreck vehicle.
So the next line might make me think she may be working for Aurora.
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Okay.
With the right believes more testing needs to be done and wants to see more data released
publicly.
She also raises concerns about the technology being hacked.
So that's a defense position.
The truck was hacked and made the crash happen.
It's not our fault.
I guess we'll pay for it, but there's no culpability.
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We're just going to pay out the civil suit.
What?
Right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
But I mean, really that that same the those same concerns are for any autonomous vehicle,
even definitely more so with tractor trailers because they will wreck through just about
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anything.
Mm hmm.
At least as bad as the movie show.
Yeah, probably not quite as bad as what the movie show.
So they don't blow up when they hit things?
It bounced on an orange peel and it blew up.
Well, I think I told you we saw the one on fire in the median.
Yeah.
On the way to Alabama, the Decatur Alabama, I think it was.
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And it and a number of other vehicles were on fire.
And I know it sounds funny, but I think I mentioned it before.
Laser beams from outer space.
As we drove past it, I slumped down in the car and got between me and the upright between
the front and back, you know, that upright.
Yeah.
Because if it blew up and sent shrapnel my way, I wanted an extra little piece of the car
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between me and it.
And the irony was the engine blew up just as we passed it.
But it was largely uneventful.
It just went and more fire came out.
But nothing went anywhere.
Right.
It was just a boom.
But I was like, oh, I was right.
It was going to blow up right as I went past.
But wow, that was impressive.
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I mean, what?
The tractor trailer, two other cars, a trailer carrying a caterpillar bulldozer was on fire
on the other side of the road.
It was quite, quite the scene.
How very bad backs.
Oh, it was messed up.
Anyway.
Yeah.
That's that that should break bad when it breaks bad.
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That wasn't caused by an accident.
That was caused by laser beams from outer space.
Martians did it.
We've got a treaty with the Martians.
We're fine with that.
It wasn't that.
We've got a treaty with the Martians.
It was probably the lizard people.
I mean, everybody knows that.
Oh, definitely the lizard people.
So and then Al Yankovich music video comes to mind.
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Mm hmm.
Aluminium.
Boy.
So we are going this way.
And I think I've even mentioned before, I know I mentioned before, that I think in
the not so distant future, the table's going to turn on the driverless car and the driver
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to where you're going to now have to have a special license to actually operate your
vehicle versus letting the auto driver do it because you're potentially too unsafe
compared to the auto driver.
Right.
Yeah.
I think it'll flip.
Yeah.
And that's probably, I believe that.
I think they will eventually be better than we are because I've seen the drivers out there
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and they are very dangerous.
I did.
You know, they were dangerous back when we were younger.
And we were going slower, but and they're, they're much more dangerous now because cell
phones, cell phones, cell phones handling and acceleration of vehicles is so much better
than it used to be.
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Driver drivers on their cell phone.
Mm hmm.
Are the bane of my fucking existence.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But it's illegal to carry a disruptor.
So unfortunately, well, no, you can carry it, but you can't turn it on.
True.
That's not the illegal part.
The illegal part is where you provide power to it.
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Cigars look herbore and CLM Raiders do not constitute any type of legal entity and do
not offer legal advice.
But I know what's illegal, but it's illegal to turn those on.
Yeah.
But don't turn them on.
There was a guy in Florida that did that.
Yeah.
Oh, it makes sense.
Yeah.
And he was so pissed off at at drivers on their cell phone that he he did on his commute
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into work.
I thought about it.
And then I looked it up and then I looked it up.
Nope.
I can't do it.
Yeah.
And it became a problem because now people are going, what the fuck's going on with my
phone.
So instead of partially paying attention to the road, there was no.
Just being a no.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So the highway patrol did a sting and caught him in the act.
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So yeah, don't do that.
I know you want to.
Don't do it.
Yep.
All right.
Let's see.
Is there much left?
I don't know.
There's too much left to really review in the article.
Yeah.
Just some of it's just more safety decisions to be made by the truck and the software
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that runs the truck technically.
Well, I like this part by the end of the year.
Yes.
Aurora plans to expand to El Paso and Phoenix, Arizona.
Yeah.
So it's it is.
And then over the next several years across the entire southern United States, which makes
sense because we got the most open road.
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Yes.
Right.
That's the safe part, right?
Open road.
Yep.
And don't mess up for the next 70 miles.
Right.
That's the safe part.
When you get more highly populated areas, and then there's a lot more you got.
So I think statute of limitations is up.
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Mm.
No.
So I, I started driving when I was 11.
Yeah.
Darryl knows the story.
Yeah.
Well, we've said it on the show at least a couple of times.
Okay.
But what would happen is I would, you know, we would drive.
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Mom didn't drive at the time.
So it's just dad and we would go, you know, San Antonio to Houston or footwork to Houston
and, you know, for family events like, you know, Thanksgiving and Christmas and stuff
like that.
I was 12, 13 when dad dad was really tired one time and he's like, it's the free one.
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You want to give this a go?
It's the free one.
Why don't you drive?
So then I started driving, I started driving on the freeway and slowly, you know, whenever
we came, whenever we came to a town we were going to be in, you know, go through like
Houston or pull over and swap or even Huntsville.
Yeah, pull over dad, get back in the driver's seat and drive them.
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So I did this for years before I was legally able to do.
I'm not a driver.
Time and experience does not make one better at driving.
I just gotten better at avoiding.
Hey, avoiding accidents is 90% driving.
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Yeah, I think it is.
Oh my God.
I've seen, I've done stuff on the road and my daughter was in the car and she's like,
Oh my God, that was really lucky.
I go, that wasn't lucky.
I saw that car with acting like a fool and I got out of the lane.
And it wasn't seconds later.
Awesome.
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Stupid crap happens.
And you're like, Uh huh.
It sounds weird saying it this way, but cars have a body language.
I've said that a lot.
Yeah.
They have a body language.
Yep.
And if someone's acting squirrely, get away from it.
Get away from them.
Absolutely.
But the first skill is developing the recognition of the body language.
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Yeah.
Because not everybody has it.
I would be happy if more people thought further ahead.
So there you got you.
One of the one of the driving habits that just I just don't understand is, you know, somebody
will drive up really fast right into your bumper.
(42:03):
Oh, right.
And they will hang right at your bumper to where you can't see the front of their hood.
Right.
And then when you when you change lanes or whatever and you know, they they have a gap
open up to them, well, they gun it right up to the next person.
And that's how they drive.
Yeah.
What is that all about?
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I don't.
I've never understood that.
I don't know.
Oh, and hanging on somebody's bumper, when you got a lane, you know they want to go
faster.
Yeah.
But they've got a lane, one lane over that's open enough that they could go down and they
don't do it.
So I just don't understand this.
Yeah.
(42:45):
And it does not work that way.
I don't get it.
I just don't.
I think that you can enjoy driving a lot more if you're a less observant driver.
So I was starting to enjoy life a whole lot more.
Yeah.
Less observant.
Because the casual driver was like, oh, I love driving.
He's got there on cruise.
I can't enjoy driving.
(43:08):
I don't enjoy it.
Not one second because it's like being on high alert the entire time.
Yeah.
And I was just starting to, you know, I was doing as I was narrating what I was doing
and thinking while I was driving for, you know, the kids as they started to come up and
drive and go, okay, so here's what you want to do.
(43:30):
And I just started narrating what I was thinking, what I was looking at where I was going.
And my wife was in the car too.
And about halfway through she goes, oh my God, I know why you hate driving.
I'm always looking at something.
I'm like, okay, there's this.
This is busy.
So I'm checking my side views about every five to 10 seconds to make sure do I have a
(43:55):
lane I can veer into if something comes to me.
Absolutely.
Can I veer or can I not veer?
Yep.
And do I need to have my brakes?
Can I veer or can I, and all that is constant.
Yeah.
Because if the person is driving miserable, if the person in front of you slams on their
brakes and you haven't already found out if you've got a place to go, right?
(44:18):
Then you're going to be an accident.
Yep.
And I've been in that before.
It's happened.
Yep.
And I, you know, I'm sure I'd like to say it's just an over a button.
That's not necessary.
But it's happened before where somebody just pounds it and I'm like, oh, there's no way
I'm stopping.
But I know I got the left of me and I flip out.
Yep.
And even though I'm hitting my brakes, I'm a car link ahead of them by the time I
(44:42):
slowed down because they, they cut me off and slammed their brakes.
But if I didn't have that left lane or knew I had that left lane.
Yep.
I'd have been in trouble.
Yeah.
You, I don't know.
Yeah.
You know what?
I think, I think both of us are kind of that way when it comes to driving.
Let's talk about better things like where we're going to rank the cigar and liquor.
(45:04):
Okay.
Yeah.
Cause I don't want to talk about driving.
I'm even just talking about driving is making me nervous.
It stresses me out, man.
Totally.
All right.
So, huh.
Okay.
This one's actually kind of easy for me.
Yeah.
No, I got my spot.
(45:25):
I'm still working on mine.
Give me a, give me a moment.
Okay.
I, it's a weird spot though.
Well, this one's like I said, classic.
It doesn't have a lot of definition.
So what group does it go into, right?
(45:46):
Cause we, we put them into like little ponds of.
Yeah, but this one isn't the same as those around it.
Right.
But I can't, I can't go any higher with it.
I'm fine.
Um, and once you, once you, once you look at it, then I'll talk about what.
(46:07):
All right.
I want to go first.
Um, okay.
Not, not an actual surprise here.
Okay.
So Daryl put this in the number 15 slot, the three chords, uh, put that number 15 spot
just below the hog's worth and just above trails end.
Uh, and to brand out the top five, uh, we have the Eagle Rare 10 at five, uh, Russell's
(46:36):
reserve single barrel.
Number four, the Balcon is lineage at number three, the 1845 preemption reverence casket
number two and remiss volume eight still at number one.
So I have to confess that I can cheat a little where you can't cheat.
So you have to remember the cigars because you can't smoke all the cigars in the top
(46:59):
10 or whatever like that, whatever.
But I don't have that limitation.
True enough.
So I can go in and touch a little bit of this, a little bit of that before the show beforehand
and see.
And then go, okay.
So yeah.
So I have a little bit of cheating going on.
Um, you put the punch classical at number 11 just below the Caldwell Midnight Express at
(47:25):
number 10 and the David off Winston Churchill at number 12.
You see what I mean by, I put it in a slot where it doesn't really.
Yeah.
Right.
The, the midnight express and the David off though they don't have, well, the David off
a little bit, right?
Cause the, the, the David off is, well, it was different that the David off was different
(47:50):
than most David offs.
Uh, and it was a really good David off.
Right.
But the midnight express, midnight express doesn't have some of these classic flavors.
Right.
So, uh, you know, you have to go up the list a little bit more to get some of those classic
flavors, but I didn't, but I didn't do it.
(48:12):
But like you said, no, it does make sense because it is in that classic flavor of the
David off because below that at 13 and 14, you got the Ferrioteg, well, metropolitan host,
Maduro and the Espa nose of 601, La Bamba sake, those are very different cigars.
And above it, you got the mid-wide express and the Hemingway bestseller.
(48:36):
Those are start, like the midnight express is bolder.
The Hemingway starts to add some of the, um, spices, baking spices.
So in a way, the punch landed in a very small pond, which was with the David off.
And you just thought it was a little bit better in the David off.
Yeah.
That's it.
That doesn't make sense.
(48:58):
But to your off air question earlier, how did it do compared to the diesel original?
Mm.
So the diesel original, because I feel like the diesel originals also kind of fairly classic
cigar diesel originals, not that far ahead of it.
It's just ahead of the Fuente at the number eight position.
(49:20):
And the Rocky Patel, LB one is in a similar, similar category as well as the heritage
at number six, the part I guess heritage.
I feel like I'm on the same, but I agree with you.
I think the heritage, the detail on the diesel were all definitely better.
Yeah.
Yeah.
All right.
So round out the number five, Tom five list on the cigars and this is the big sky bitter
(49:44):
root at number five, the Evan Shurik King's gold at number four.
The AJ Manowar Armada at number three, the Evan Shurik Blue, I, Jax revenge at number
two and the Perdomo 20th anniversary Maduro still reigns number one at a very reasonably
priced $11.
Oh, I'm telling you.
(50:05):
I mean, really?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Got 11 number one at 11.
That's a completely average price in a shop, right?
Yes.
Even though it's an anniversary, even though it's currently your favorite, it's still
a reasonably priced cigar.
It's not 20.
It's not even 15.
(50:26):
So that's, it's, it's, it's, it's really incredible cigar in that price point.
Especially that, but we're not supposed to be factoring price.
No, no, not for the ranking.
And you're not not for the ranking.
Yeah.
Not for the ranking.
Everything, everything really does need to go through the, the lens of money, but the
(50:47):
end of the day comes out.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Not for this ranking.
Not in the ranking, but in the ranking.
Yeah.
So, and having a cigar that is that good at that price point is phenomenal.
Yes.
Yeah.
That's very good.
Fortunately for us.
Yeah.
All right, man.
Most excellent.
Ah, feel better.
Heck yeah.
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