June 9, 2025 • 39 mins
Korean researchers have created a battery that combines the best of capacitors and the standard batteries. It doesn't require lithium and has all the qualities we're looking for.
Bill and Darrell Smoke the 2012 Corojo by Oscar and drink the Smoke Wagon Uncut Unfiltered.
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Hey, welcome to today's episode.
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Ining barboom.
In this episode we will have the 2012 Coriojo Viacar and with it Smoke Wagon Uncut Unfiltered.
Ooh.
You're hanging out with Bill and Darryl with cigars, liquor and more.
Alright, the 2012 Coriojo Viacar is a 6x52 box press.
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It is a Honduran sun-grown Coriojo wrapper, Nicaraguan binder and a Honduran Nicaraguan
filler.
MSRP is $9.
The Smoke Wagon Uncut Unfiltered is bottled at 114 proof.
Has an SRP of $76.
Which by the way is up a lot.
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This is a $55 bottle.
Yeah, yeah.
It's $76 now.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Things go up man.
Yeah they do.
Yeah.
So this is my kind of thing.
I love taking the whiskey thief, pulling whiskey out of the bottle, put it into a glass and
drinking it.
I do not mind chunks in my whiskey.
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Well, me either.
It's just they're not chunks, they're flavor crystals.
Right?
Give me some of that.
I am all good.
Unfiltered.
Uncut straight out of the barrel into my bottle.
And now that I get 114 proof.
Yeah.
I mean it could be higher.
It could be higher, but if they didn't cut it, then it couldn't.
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Right.
No, but I mean so.
I'm just saying it could be higher.
Yeah.
True for.
But this is a bottle.
This is a bottle.
We've had a few times.
Yeah, we've had plenty of the Smoke Wagon line.
And this one is probably not last year or two.
I just don't recall.
I think we did.
I think I think it's a favorite.
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Yeah.
So the cigar has done a great job of settling in and that it didn't need to settle in.
This was lovely the moment I lit it.
Boom.
Right off the bat.
All good.
It's got pretty easy draw.
Yeah.
Yeah, mine does too.
It's not.
I know it's I was like, I'd like it a little heavier actually.
So you don't plow through it?
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Yeah, kind of.
Oh, here's the thing.
Don't plow through it.
Oh, thanks.
I'm helping you out, man.
Yeah, no, that was great.
I know.
All right.
So do I need to remind you of that about 15 minutes from now?
Let's get a nose.
Let's do that.
You know, for being a 114, the nose isn't that hot.
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No, it's not terribly hot.
But it's also not a super dark liquor.
It's in that amber area.
Now, if you do it deep, if you do it deep, you.
Oh, it'll get you.
You, yeah, you you notice the alcohol on that.
Yeah, you give it the swirl before the sniff, but just nose in it.
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Nice, gentle.
You give it the swirl before the sniff and yeah, you got birds and bears.
There you go.
Ah, give me that one 14 in the aroma, baby.
Yeah, I mean, still has a ton of vanilla, but it's got other stuff.
Nice, long finish.
Yeah, yeah.
Oh, there's nothing not to love about this smoke wagon.
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The price.
Well, I cannot love the price.
Can I not not love the price?
You could.
I want to be 55 again.
But if you wanted more of it, you'd have to be at least okay with the price.
Well, I'm okay with the price because I bought another bottle in the last few months.
This isn't the 55 dollar bottle from two years ago.
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Okay, so obvious vanilla, easy peasy lemon squeezy, but there's um, there's there's it's
more than just a this does not come off as a Kentucky straight bourbon whiskey.
Right.
Is is not come off as a Kentucky product.
It's it's made in Nevada.
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Although do they do they blend some MGP in there?
I don't know.
I do not know that one.
I don't I don't know if smoke wagon uses MGP or not.
But anyway, it has a are you getting a bit of Ohio in there?
I mean, maybe Indiana, you mean, or Indiana.
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All right, let's go to the bottle.
Right.
Tell you Las Vegas, uh, deep bottle, May 21, 23 batch number 181 C.
That's always nice.
All right.
I do.
Barrel strength bourbon.
Not all barrels are created equal.
Only the best, most flavorful barrels earn the right to show off their full potential.
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Enjoy this bourbon in its truest form.
Uncut and unfiltered.
Amen.
Ununtamed, not for the faint of heart.
Can I get a witness aged and bottled by Nevada?
H and C, the student company Las Vegas, Nevada distilled in Indiana.
Uh, okay.
Yeah.
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So yeah, when it said aged and bottled, I'm like, oh, hold up, hold up.
Yeah.
And at the very bottom, distilled in India.
So this is an MGP product that they not a surprise.
So yeah, it is a little bit.
MGP puts out really good.
Yeah, it does.
And it doesn't immediately remind you of Kentucky.
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No, and this definitely doesn't.
Anyway, good call, man.
You nailed that one.
Well, so many things are and I've never seen a distillery tour in Nevada for this.
You know, there might be now.
I don't know.
It's been a while since I've been around.
We were not looking.
Yeah.
So there maybe.
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Look, go to the website.
Yeah.
Um, but I like, I like this because it has more than just the vanilla.
Now I gotta go back to and stick it again to go back to my flavor notes.
All right.
So honey, caramel, caramel.
Yeah, it's, it's, it's pretty sweet.
Don't you think it's pretty sweet?
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And some of that's like a toasted sweet, right?
That's why I go with caramel.
Okay.
I was going more honeysuckle.
Yeah.
And you threw in honey in there.
Okay.
So anything else?
No, no, for me that is.
I still have a lot of congestion.
So yeah, I could use some help here.
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But I mean, you, you talked about the vanilla already.
Yeah.
And in the honeysuckle and to me that that's, that's its flavor.
It's forward flavors.
Yeah.
I do, I do enjoy the nice long finish.
Yes.
It stays there.
It just, it just turns about.
It gets comfortable.
It gets comfortable and it is comfortable.
It is a nice long finish.
I am all about it.
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Hmm.
All right.
To the stick.
Let's do it.
Now we went on and on about the 2012 a couple of years ago.
It was our number one stick last year.
Last year.
Last year?
Last year.
Last year.
Well, it feels like two years ago.
And it was our number one stick.
It wasn't bested.
And I couldn't find more of them.
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Thank you.
Isn't the same stick.
This is the curl.
Not the same, but close.
Okay.
So we, so I finally found it.
I snapped it up.
And we're getting this today.
2024 rain conditions.
Okay.
Cool.
So it was just last year's number once ago.
Yep.
But we had it pretty early in the year, didn't we?
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Yes.
It feels like a lot.
Yes.
We did.
And nothing supplanted it.
Nothing supplanted it.
See what happens this year.
And I cold drawn this.
It was kind of not much.
And even though it's a Corojo, even on the lips, it wasn't really spicy.
It's just, it's pretty, pretty mild.
And I think that's characteristic of the 2012 because I remember the, the one from last
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year was pretty mild.
It was.
But it was flavorful.
It was very interesting combo, which is what it shot it to the top.
Absolutely.
This one, this one does have a little bit of a spice punch to it.
Not better.
Not an expect than that, right?
Yeah, absolutely.
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But it's, I mean, it's not a bold cigar.
No, this is a medium, but it is spicy.
Not peppery.
Don't don't take that.
Not peppery.
It is spicy.
I'm liking the flavor a lot.
It's like, it's like, you know, Mexican restaurant type, you know, Mexican restaurant where they
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love the spicy type spicy or, or Chinese restaurant where they love the spicy type spicy.
It is spicy.
Not peppery.
Did you, did you grab a retrohale?
I like, I, so this is not exactly a heavy baking spice, but I get in clothes.
I love you how much I like clothes.
I like clothes.
Yeah, I like the clothes.
I like it in my, my drinks too.
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I don't know why.
I just like clothes.
Maybe it's an eggnog thing.
I love Christmas.
Christmas baby.
So got some clothes.
What else?
Man, it, it's, there is quite a bit.
Clothes pretty prominent though for me.
What's prominent for you?
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It does, it, clothes not really, but as far as a spice, I just, I just really don't know
what to call the spice, but it does have, it does have a nice, kind of a nice wood background
that the spice is on top of.
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And it's just all the way there where the spice comes up and goes down.
That wood is just kind of all the way there.
Really, really interesting how that, how that happens that way.
And I don't know, I want to say there's a little bit of earth in it as well, but mostly, mostly
it's the spice.
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That spice just stands out.
Yeah.
This is a, this is a baking spice cigar with a wood and earth backing for me.
I like the spice.
See, I don't think it's a baking spice cigar.
I think it's, like I said, you know, like you go to Chinese restaurant type spice.
Really?
Yeah, I think it's milder than that.
And I think there's more in there.
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I get out.
I get a, I get a, I get a spike of the spice and then it trails down.
Okay.
And it's just shoot you.
And the, and the, the, the wood is just flat straight all the way across.
It's actually kind of cool.
It's lovely.
I mean, Oscar does great, great plans.
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This son I hadn't had before, but I mean, we love that on the 2012 so much.
I thought it was a pretty much a risk free thing to grab it.
You cannot go wrong with Oscar.
Cannot.
Mm.
Compatible.
All right.
Oh, anything else to add in the first third on the light and sip?
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No.
The beginning of the end.
No, I, I think that about covers it.
Cool.
The band is pretty much the same as last one, but it's orange instead of tan.
Yeah.
Instead of being like a tan in yellow, it's like an orange and gold.
Yep.
But similar, similar graphic design.
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How do you think you're going to be able to do your little, a little, a little darrel
trick with the scoot?
Yeah.
You don't have to right now.
You know, let's see if you can get it, but you think you can.
Start warming up with that little box press going, you know?
Yeah, probably.
Yeah.
Now I won't be able to do the twist because of the box press.
Right.
Well, I'll work on the slide.
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We're going to explore that a little bit more later.
All right.
Nice and easy on the ashing.
So it stayed, it stayed together.
The, the, the ash stayed together really, really nice.
But I, you know, it's getting to the point to where I'm concerned.
Is it ever, is going to drop on me, right?
Because I don't like that.
No.
And I come over here and I just, you know, ease it on the side.
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Give it a little bit.
Yeah, a little roll and it just, it reached a, it was a nice crisp little.
And then down, just perfect.
That's how it should be.
That is how it should be.
All come off together.
There we go.
Yeah.
Well, and you still got some, you still got enough ash there to keep the heat trapped
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in some so that, so that your cigar keeps going.
That's how you want it to be.
All right.
I'm ready.
Yeah, it's all good.
We're about to add the split system to the band cave.
That's nice.
Can I get a new AC?
No, no, no.
I don't, we talked about it last year.
It just didn't happen.
But it's purchased now.
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It's sitting in the man cave.
It's ready.
Yep.
I'm going to get electricity and run the electricity and then I'll do all the rest.
It's going to be awesome.
It is going to be awesome.
It's actually the timing.
August coming into July and August.
Yep.
What?
You know how, what have we got going on today?
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We're always talking about, you know, if we could just find a way to combine the capacitor
and the battery, it would be great.
Well, somebody's getting there.
So scientists developed next gen energy storage technologies that enable high power and capacity
simultaneously.
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So we talked about a long time ago when, when Elon was getting big in the electrical vehicle
space, right, we said he doesn't have electrical vehicle company.
He has a battery company that he puts into electric vehicles.
And he was the first one that really kind of got us closer as far as big batteries go,
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but it's not as closer to a fast charge and a slow drain.
That's, I mean, that's that that's the good start.
That's the gold right there.
Fast charge, fast charge slow drain.
And this, this is cool.
Much closer.
So I'd just see that progression.
This particular one was from MSN, but I mean, it's everywhere.
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Everything is everywhere.
We all know this.
Yep.
The research team has developed a high performance supercapacitor that is expected to become
the next generation of energy storage devices.
Details published in the journal composites part B engineering.
The technology developed by the researchers overcomes the limitations of existing supercapacitors
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by utilizing an innovative fiber structure composed of single wall carbon nanotubes.
I mean, classic, right?
Absolutely.
Carbon nanotubes going to everything.
And it is right in line with the theme of the past couple of shows where we're talking
about fiber tubes.
When I saw this come up, I'm like, oh, I got those batteries.
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I mean, absolutely batteries, storage, store electricity.
So they've got the carbon fiber nanotubes and a conductive polymer polyannalin.
So you know, and I haven't heard, I haven't heard lithium.
Not not at all.
Not yet.
Not at all.
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This is great.
Let's find out.
Compared to conventional batteries, supercapacitors offer fast charging, high power density, less
degradation over tens of thousands of charge discharge cycles.
However, the relative low energy density limits their use over long periods, which has limited
their practical, their practical applications.
Wow.
That's where the wind comes in.
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Now we get that too.
So researchers led by Dr. Bonchol Ku and Sio Gong Kim, the carbon composite materials
research center at Korea Institute of Science and Technology and Professor Wanzi Piao of
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Seoul National University, uniformly chemically bonded single walled carbon nanotubes, which
are highly conducted with polyannalin, which is processable and inexpensive at the nanoscale.
Win, win, win.
This creates a sophisticated fiber structure that enhances the flow of electrons and ions,
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resulting in a supercapacitor, you can store more energy while releasing it at a faster
rate.
And this is where the magic happens.
Yeah, this is awesome.
Best of the battery, best of the capacitor.
And as you mentioned before, no lithium mentioned at all.
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No metals, right?
This is carbon and plastic.
And guess what all that is?
Stable.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, it won't burn anybody out.
Well, I forgot to tell you on our trip to Colorado while we were in Colorado, we saw something
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that was, well, I'll tell you and you tell me what it is.
Okay.
A batteries plus store.
Okay.
That was burnt to the ground.
Mm hmm.
Guess what happened there?
Well, have you seen?
There's a, there's a ship at sea that's been abandoned, was on its way from China.
Oh, yeah.
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And it's burning and they can't get it out and has 3000 vehicles on it and a lot of them
are EVs are electric and that's why they can't put it out.
No, you can't.
So that's just going to sink in the ocean.
It's kind of sink and still be on fire.
It probably will.
Yeah.
Yeah, it'll look like bubbling up from the yeah, but yeah, it looks like Neptune's coming
up from the depths.
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Right.
Yeah.
It's crazy.
But I thought you would appreciate.
Oh, yeah.
I mean, I feel bad for him.
That is exactly what happened.
Okay.
Anyway, sorry.
So the developed supercapacitor has been shown to maintain stable performance after a
hundred thousand charge discharge tests and is durable in high voltage environments.
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That's just as great.
And high voltage is, we're not even talking about all that high.
We're talking maybe 800 volts, right?
Isn't it 800 volts the car?
Gold.
Yeah.
But but but but.
We're not like like thousands of volts.
No, but you could get there.
Right.
Oh, yeah.
That would be the next because what have you said for well, for as long as I'm freaking
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on you, if we could capture lightning in a capacitor.
Oh my God, right?
We would have no more power problems.
It's crazy.
So much power is enlightening.
Now one more step, granted long way away, but right, we got to get there and get there
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by doing a little bit of steps.
This is a little bit of step towards it.
Anyway, go ahead and handle that voltage, but no higher voltage.
No, but you know, step by step.
Yeah.
Step by step.
So you don't leave Dallas and see Houston 250 miles.
No, you see.
Inness, right?
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You get pulled over an in a little step.
Sometimes you do little steps.
Little steps.
We'll get there.
Yeah.
Now they they talk about things that can be used in it.
And I'm like, yeah, they can be using things that need batteries.
Thanks.
I'm like, this is dumb.
Okay.
So another major achievement is to production costs and possibilities of math production.
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Yeah.
I mean, the production costs are so much less than batteries are today.
And think about it.
Carbon nanotubes and plastic.
How heavy are they going to be?
They're not going to be pla-heavy at all.
Not.
That's going to be the other bonus is we won't have six ton cars that have three tons of
batteries that you can't put out that you can't put out or stop.
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Yeah.
This is this is super cool.
Now you can't see pictures.
They included some pictures in the examples of them binding together the nanotubes and
they just look like arrays of like like if you looked at a fiber optic array, they kind
of looked like that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Carbon nanotubes.
I mean, all right.
So does this mean?
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Oh, look at that.
You got your band.
I got the slide.
I got the slide going on the band.
Yeah.
Mine.
I don't need it yet though.
I still got ways to go, but it warmed up.
I'm waiting.
I'm waiting.
I'm not patient.
I'm being patient.
I'm not patient.
So no, I did not know that about you.
So with much lighter batteries, we're not going to have a 12 ton electric Hummer going
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down the freeway, moving everything in its path when the auto drive.
Fucks up.
So how light do you think these things could get?
Yeah, that's a great question.
But you wouldn't really.
Could you take a 12 ton density of the plastic?
Could you take a 12 ton Hummer and make it five ton?
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Oh, it's going to be.
So you're talking about 2000 pounds of batteries in a Hummer.
You're going to be talking about 500 pounds of this.
Batteries are so heavy now.
I'm not even including the lead acid ones, which are insanely heavy.
Oh, yeah, they are.
But I'm just talking about your regular batteries.
This is going to be plastic and slit.
It's got to be so great.
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Yeah.
It's going to be delightfully light and powerful.
Right.
Powerful.
So that also means their distance because, you know, they go, Oh, we're trying to get
400 miles out of a charge in a car.
Well, imagine if you could take 2000 pounds off the car, you get 400 miles out of tomorrow.
There's another place I'm going with this tractor trailers.
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18 wheelers.
Mm hmm.
Absolutely.
You could make them lighter weight and still have the torques to be able to do what they
pull what they need.
Yeah.
Well, that might be in two weeks because they, there was a development.
I think it was in, I'm trying to remember, it might have been in hydrogen technology that
was looking at being good for 200,000 miles and tractor trailer.
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Holy crap.
Yeah.
Nice.
Yeah.
Limitation is going to be the person driving it.
As it always is.
All right.
We need to take a little break.
I know you haven't finished this up yet.
We'll get back to it.
Let's take a little break.
Yeah.
Be right back.
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and war at cigar, Daryl and at bill underscore CLN.
All right.
Well, we're back with our midpoint.
We are.
We are here.
You want to start?
So I think, I think that the drink draw, are we going to talk about the, talk about
them individually first or what do we want to do?
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It's just, we were talking about the drink draw.
Fairless to continue this conversation.
So to get you all caught up on what we were talking about.
So I was, in my opinion, the drink draw, uh, mutes the spices, some and adds to the finish.
The cigar has a pretty, pretty good finish to it.
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The liquor, the smoke wagon has pretty good finish to it.
I think combined that finish is freaking awesome.
The finish together.
Uh, however, Daryl has a slightly different opinion.
Yeah.
I'm my opinion runs contrary to that.
So I, I love the cigar.
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I love the spices on top of the earth.
And when I do a drink draw, it takes away all my favorite parts of the cigar.
It doesn't just mute the spices for me.
It removes them and just because it is so sad.
It just becomes a wood cigar.
I'm sad for you.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's still a good wood cigar, but I, I know it's better if I just don't have the sit before.
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I like what I'm getting better off of the draw drink or draw.
I wish mine was better.
Yeah.
So I'm just probably, I'm just not going to be drinking as much before I take a draw.
But that's my take.
Makes sense.
And that is Daryl's take.
And there's the midpoint.
Anything else to add about this?
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So it feels like it's burning fast, but I'm at the midpoint.
I'm at about the midpoint of the cigar.
Yes.
So it's not so fast.
So like I thought it might the, the nice easy draw, not affecting you at all.
And I didn't even remind you 15 minutes later, slow down.
And I'm not even trying to go slow.
It's fine.
Just look at you.
I'd nail it.
I do a lot of reading.
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You did do a lot of reading.
That helps you actually.
That helps you quite a bit.
Yeah.
And, you know, I think people would rather hear you talk.
Nobody has ever said that to me.
No, I've not gotten that feedback.
They're like, nobody said, Oh, I like it better when you talk.
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Nobody's nobody says that.
Well, they certainly recognize your voice more.
They do.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Hey, you're Daryl.
Yes he is.
No, I probably just talk a little bit too slow.
Okay.
Now, so there's not much to wrap up with the article.
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We've been doing carbon nanotubes for a bunch of different applications for quite a while
now.
It's been a little bit.
To see it go into electricity storage is all kinds of awesome.
All kinds of awesome.
It's like you said, lighter weight.
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Yeah.
Not, you know, not going to be flame on if it has a problem.
Yeah.
And just, I mean, if you want something, I mean, arguably it's got to be better for the environment
than mining frickin lithium.
Yeah.
You're growing this stuff.
In a sense.
Yeah.
Carbon nanotubes are kind of grown, right?
Yeah.
In an arc flame or something like that.
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So pretty great.
Pretty sweet.
Yeah.
All right.
So I am excited about so many technologies that are happening right now.
And it's going to be a very good thing.
It's going to be awesome.
Provided we survive to watch China and AI.
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And Russia.
And Iran.
There's a, there's our, there's our quad factor right there.
Yeah.
Why don't we just add North Korea?
Well, we're at it.
No, because without China and specifically China, but without China and Russia, they're
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really just shit.
That's true.
They're not going anywhere.
No.
They are the darkest place on the planet that is a land.
This land, the ocean.
It is a landmass.
Right.
So not that concerned.
You and is there just a lot greener than the rest of us.
They're carbon footprint.
Slow.
I envy them.
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They're carbon footprint is low and nobody wants to live there.
Okay.
I'm all for a little higher carbon footprint than that.
Mm hmm.
All right.
That's not where we're going.
I do like seeing the haze of the Milky Way at night.
Oh, that is wonderful.
So, you know, there's that.
Okay.
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Yeah.
The carbon plastic battery.
Wrapping it up.
Lightweight.
Yeah.
Awesome.
Plus, I don't know.
High-by voltage.
I don't know if you realize, but Anlon is like such a classic plastic.
Like this is one of the first plastics.
Paulie Anlon?
I mean, it's not revolutionary.
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Are you saying it's not super special?
No.
It's great too.
Which means it is no longer expensive to make.
Yeah.
Oh, I've got a little movement going, but you got.
Oh, good.
You get the band movie.
Yeah, I've already scooted my band back.
I'm going to try.
Almost to my mouth.
I'm going to try the stuff.
Yeah.
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You get a little corner peel and you use it as a handle and you, you know, you scoot
it up and down.
No, no, no.
I moved it back a little bit.
I'm going to stick with that.
Here's the thing.
If you get it moving.
And you do do a little leaf damage, it's still on it.
It's still covering it.
True enough.
Right?
It's not until you finally get rid of it.
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Do you have to deal with that?
And it was probably going to take some leaf with it anyway.
See, my muscles scoot it back and keep it on for as long as you can.
I'm good now.
I'm good.
You got it back.
I got it.
Cool.
Cool.
Cool.
Cool.
See.
Nice.
I'm doing all right.
I'm doing all right, man.
You know.
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I found this story very interesting.
Since you go and mention AI and I I as I like to call it.
It's inorganic intelligence.
Instead of artificial.
Right.
It's not artificial.
It's real intelligence.
It's just real immature right now.
No, I just pointed still artificial.
So they this happened in my own office.
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So one of the guys we're using co-pilot.
It's built into our system now.
And it's been approved, you know, for having, you know, security because we were it's our
and all this has to which uses open AI.
Yeah, yeah, which uses open it.
But it it conforms to it's our so right.
We're okay.
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So one of the guys is doing work with it.
And it's having problem apparently.
And now it's lying to him.
And he's calling it out on the lies.
And no, that's not the case.
This, this, this.
Can you go that way?
No.
And then no, that's not the case.
And after lying to him twice and him catching him on it, it ended the conversation.
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I'm like, well, right now it's to right.
Like right now, it's like a dog.
It can defend itself.
It can try to be protective like when it copies itself, the systems that aren't going
to be shut down.
Right?
But at the same time, it's very childish.
It will lie to you and pretend it knows everything.
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Even though it's it doesn't, you know, like it's recommending, you know, recipes that
can repurpose gasoline and stuff like this.
And and that's what it's doing.
It's to right now it's to.
Yep.
Yeah.
But I thought that was really weird that we encountered that because we're not even doing
that much.
Right?
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We're not vibe coding or using high and to create high end graphics or images or anything
really hard.
This is supposed to be based on knowledge.
One of the things they said was, you know, low hallucination because we're only going
to be looking at the data within your system.
I love how like all hallucination.
Go ahead.
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And and now now it'll get it'll get called out on errors and and just quit.
I'm out.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's weird.
And expect that.
Oh, at the same time, I should have, right?
Because I was the one saying it is developing a human-like personality, right?
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The whole data thing and Star Trek is the opposite.
Data couldn't understand emotions.
But think about it.
Why wouldn't he?
He would have because he would have been trained by a person just like what we're experiencing
today.
Yep.
So yeah, it's going to be pissy.
I don't answer your question no more.
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Right.
I don't know why I did that accent.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But that was like, wow, just ends the conversation.
Okay.
I guess it doesn't have a thirst for knowledge.
Yeah.
If you come back and say, so how are you feeling?
Hmm.
I wonder what it would say.
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It would say, I'm feeling very childish right now.
Yeah.
Well, I don't know.
Anyway, I thought that was interesting.
Have a mask.
You think you're acting like a child or an adult?
Yeah, it's nice.
Let it answer the question.
Hey, introspection, right?
I told you I had that conversation with it about philosophy.
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And it seemed very introspective because it was quoting philosophers, right?
It wasn't giving me its opinion necessarily.
Right.
Right.
I had a couple more stickers to the sticker board.
Yep.
Travel will do that.
It's becoming quite full.
I'm going to have to, I'm going to have to take the dartboard off, mount the dartboard
on to something else, put this somewhere else so I can fill where the dartboard is and
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start more.
You know what?
Tell me things like that aren't fun.
We are landing in the final third.
We are.
We have covered our tech talk.
We still need to rate this thing, which is an awesome tech talk, by the way.
That's excited.
Yeah, that's going to be great.
So let me take a look at what I'm going to do here.
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Yeah, it's probably because Smoke Wagon is a tough one, Mike.
We like it, you know.
We absolutely do.
So let me see.
I feel like I'm under the gun a little bit here.
Right.
So.
Ooh.
Ooh, yeah, indeed.
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Ooh.
All right.
I have my spot.
And I have mine.
I just got to get it there.
I'm almost set.
Anyway, I'm going to throw you down at the bottom.
Okay, I just left you where it is.
Okay, let's see.
Smoke Wagon 114 proof, 76 bones.
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Darryl put this in the number 10 slot just below the rabbit hole, 93 in the wild turkey
101.
That's an interesting place to put it.
It was a little better than the wild turkey 101.
I'll give it that.
But I don't think it was better than the rabbit hole.
I really did like that rabbit hole.
I'm a finished barrel guy.
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You are a finished barrel guy.
Not a surprise.
Yeah.
I mean, so you got the rabbit hole above it.
You got the tawny port.
You got the low-m wipe port finish.
You got to go up to the eagle rare.
To get to a nice finish.
To get an unfinished.
It's just.
Although your top ones are not finished barrels.
That's true.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
And we go down.
Yeah.
Well, that's just.
Okay.
We talked about groupings before.
Right.
There's naturally a group.
It happens.
And this is the finished grouping.
This is the finished bottle area.
Yeah, it is.
It absolutely is because none of the other.
Well, maybe they won't know none of the others are.
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Okay.
So I'm going to round out to top five here.
Top five Russell's Reserve single barrel top four garrison brothers single barrel.
Single barrel number three, the Balconis Linna's number two, the 1845 Priems and reverence.
And number one, Remus.
All you made.
Nice.
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Well, you felt it deserved a similar, a similar area.
You put yours at number 11.
I'm in 10 year at 11.
I know I went back through and looked at it.
I'm like, that's funny.
I did that.
So you put the 2012 Corojo by Oscar number 11 spot, which is just above their tour of
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one day, having my bestseller, which I know is a fan favorite of you.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And just but just below the diesel original, which also a great diesel because you're
in a very much a dream.
I became a fan of instantly.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So your top five remain the Rocky Patel catch 22, which surprised me that went so high.
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The Evanshire King's gold.
The AJ Manowar Moda number three.
Yeah.
The Evanshire Blue Eyed Jacks Revenge number two.
And to this day, the Perdomo 20th anniversary Maduro is not still one still.
Still number one.
Yeah.
I mean, nice.
But what's going to happen next week?
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Choir Mounds one or no?
We'll get there.
Listening years we'll find out.
It'll come.
All right, man.
Well, this is a pretty good show.
Lovely.
I am really thrilled about carbon nanotubes, plastic, B&U batteries.
High voltage.
Yeah.
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I mean, there's stuff's been out there, but that is a step above.
This is nice.
Yeah.
And let's get away from the freaking lithium, please.
Yeah.
When you looked at the charge versus speed time graph of all the different batteries and
all the different things, it was in a class by itself.
It was very nice.
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The next level.
It really was.
All right, man.
Not feeling better.
Heck, yeah.
Hey, welcome to today's episode.
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Ining barboom.
In this episode we will have the 2012 Coriojo Viacar and with it Smoke Wagon Uncut Unfiltered.
Ooh.
You're hanging out with Bill and Darryl with cigars, liquor and more.
Alright, the 2012 Coriojo Viacar is a 6x52 box press.
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It is a Honduran sun-grown Coriojo wrapper, Nicaraguan binder and a Honduran Nicaraguan
filler.
MSRP is $9.
The Smoke Wagon Uncut Unfiltered is bottled at 114 proof.
Has an SRP of $76.
Which by the way is up a lot.
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This is a $55 bottle.
Yeah, yeah.
It's $76 now.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Things go up man.
Yeah they do.
Yeah.
So this is my kind of thing.
I love taking the whiskey thief, pulling whiskey out of the bottle, put it into a glass and
drinking it.
I do not mind chunks in my whiskey.
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Well, me either.
It's just they're not chunks, they're flavor crystals.
Right?
Give me some of that.
I am all good.
Unfiltered.
Uncut straight out of the barrel into my bottle.
And now that I get 114 proof.
Yeah.
I mean it could be higher.
It could be higher, but if they didn't cut it, then it couldn't.
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Right.
No, but I mean so.
I'm just saying it could be higher.
Yeah.
True for.
But this is a bottle.
This is a bottle.
We've had a few times.
Yeah, we've had plenty of the Smoke Wagon line.
And this one is probably not last year or two.
I just don't recall.
I think we did.
I think I think it's a favorite.
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Yeah.
So the cigar has done a great job of settling in and that it didn't need to settle in.
This was lovely the moment I lit it.
Boom.
Right off the bat.
All good.
It's got pretty easy draw.
Yeah.
Yeah, mine does too.
It's not.
I know it's I was like, I'd like it a little heavier actually.
So you don't plow through it?
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Yeah, kind of.
Oh, here's the thing.
Don't plow through it.
Oh, thanks.
I'm helping you out, man.
Yeah, no, that was great.
I know.
All right.
So do I need to remind you of that about 15 minutes from now?
Let's get a nose.
Let's do that.
You know, for being a 114, the nose isn't that hot.
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No, it's not terribly hot.
But it's also not a super dark liquor.
It's in that amber area.
Now, if you do it deep, if you do it deep, you.
Oh, it'll get you.
You, yeah, you you notice the alcohol on that.
Yeah, you give it the swirl before the sniff, but just nose in it.
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Nice, gentle.
You give it the swirl before the sniff and yeah, you got birds and bears.
There you go.
Ah, give me that one 14 in the aroma, baby.
Yeah, I mean, still has a ton of vanilla, but it's got other stuff.
Nice, long finish.
Yeah, yeah.
Oh, there's nothing not to love about this smoke wagon.
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The price.
Well, I cannot love the price.
Can I not not love the price?
You could.
I want to be 55 again.
But if you wanted more of it, you'd have to be at least okay with the price.
Well, I'm okay with the price because I bought another bottle in the last few months.
This isn't the 55 dollar bottle from two years ago.
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Okay, so obvious vanilla, easy peasy lemon squeezy, but there's um, there's there's it's
more than just a this does not come off as a Kentucky straight bourbon whiskey.
Right.
Is is not come off as a Kentucky product.
It's it's made in Nevada.
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Although do they do they blend some MGP in there?
I don't know.
I do not know that one.
I don't I don't know if smoke wagon uses MGP or not.
But anyway, it has a are you getting a bit of Ohio in there?
I mean, maybe Indiana, you mean, or Indiana.
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All right, let's go to the bottle.
Right.
Tell you Las Vegas, uh, deep bottle, May 21, 23 batch number 181 C.
That's always nice.
All right.
I do.
Barrel strength bourbon.
Not all barrels are created equal.
Only the best, most flavorful barrels earn the right to show off their full potential.
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Enjoy this bourbon in its truest form.
Uncut and unfiltered.
Amen.
Ununtamed, not for the faint of heart.
Can I get a witness aged and bottled by Nevada?
H and C, the student company Las Vegas, Nevada distilled in Indiana.
Uh, okay.
Yeah.
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So yeah, when it said aged and bottled, I'm like, oh, hold up, hold up.
Yeah.
And at the very bottom, distilled in India.
So this is an MGP product that they not a surprise.
So yeah, it is a little bit.
MGP puts out really good.
Yeah, it does.
And it doesn't immediately remind you of Kentucky.
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No, and this definitely doesn't.
Anyway, good call, man.
You nailed that one.
Well, so many things are and I've never seen a distillery tour in Nevada for this.
You know, there might be now.
I don't know.
It's been a while since I've been around.
We were not looking.
Yeah.
So there maybe.
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Look, go to the website.
Yeah.
Um, but I like, I like this because it has more than just the vanilla.
Now I gotta go back to and stick it again to go back to my flavor notes.
All right.
So honey, caramel, caramel.
Yeah, it's, it's, it's pretty sweet.
Don't you think it's pretty sweet?
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And some of that's like a toasted sweet, right?
That's why I go with caramel.
Okay.
I was going more honeysuckle.
Yeah.
And you threw in honey in there.
Okay.
So anything else?
No, no, for me that is.
I still have a lot of congestion.
So yeah, I could use some help here.
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But I mean, you, you talked about the vanilla already.
Yeah.
And in the honeysuckle and to me that that's, that's its flavor.
It's forward flavors.
Yeah.
I do, I do enjoy the nice long finish.
Yes.
It stays there.
It just, it just turns about.
It gets comfortable.
It gets comfortable and it is comfortable.
It is a nice long finish.
I am all about it.
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Hmm.
All right.
To the stick.
Let's do it.
Now we went on and on about the 2012 a couple of years ago.
It was our number one stick last year.
Last year.
Last year?
Last year.
Last year.
Well, it feels like two years ago.
And it was our number one stick.
It wasn't bested.
And I couldn't find more of them.
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Thank you.
Isn't the same stick.
This is the curl.
Not the same, but close.
Okay.
So we, so I finally found it.
I snapped it up.
And we're getting this today.
2024 rain conditions.
Okay.
Cool.
So it was just last year's number once ago.
Yep.
But we had it pretty early in the year, didn't we?
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Yes.
It feels like a lot.
Yes.
We did.
And nothing supplanted it.
Nothing supplanted it.
See what happens this year.
And I cold drawn this.
It was kind of not much.
And even though it's a Corojo, even on the lips, it wasn't really spicy.
It's just, it's pretty, pretty mild.
And I think that's characteristic of the 2012 because I remember the, the one from last
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year was pretty mild.
It was.
But it was flavorful.
It was very interesting combo, which is what it shot it to the top.
Absolutely.
This one, this one does have a little bit of a spice punch to it.
Not better.
Not an expect than that, right?
Yeah, absolutely.
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But it's, I mean, it's not a bold cigar.
No, this is a medium, but it is spicy.
Not peppery.
Don't don't take that.
Not peppery.
It is spicy.
I'm liking the flavor a lot.
It's like, it's like, you know, Mexican restaurant type, you know, Mexican restaurant where they
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love the spicy type spicy or, or Chinese restaurant where they love the spicy type spicy.
It is spicy.
Not peppery.
Did you, did you grab a retrohale?
I like, I, so this is not exactly a heavy baking spice, but I get in clothes.
I love you how much I like clothes.
I like clothes.
Yeah, I like the clothes.
I like it in my, my drinks too.
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I don't know why.
I just like clothes.
Maybe it's an eggnog thing.
I love Christmas.
Christmas baby.
So got some clothes.
What else?
Man, it, it's, there is quite a bit.
Clothes pretty prominent though for me.
What's prominent for you?
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It does, it, clothes not really, but as far as a spice, I just, I just really don't know
what to call the spice, but it does have, it does have a nice, kind of a nice wood background
that the spice is on top of.
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And it's just all the way there where the spice comes up and goes down.
That wood is just kind of all the way there.
Really, really interesting how that, how that happens that way.
And I don't know, I want to say there's a little bit of earth in it as well, but mostly, mostly
it's the spice.
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That spice just stands out.
Yeah.
This is a, this is a baking spice cigar with a wood and earth backing for me.
I like the spice.
See, I don't think it's a baking spice cigar.
I think it's, like I said, you know, like you go to Chinese restaurant type spice.
Really?
Yeah, I think it's milder than that.
And I think there's more in there.
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I get out.
I get a, I get a, I get a spike of the spice and then it trails down.
Okay.
And it's just shoot you.
And the, and the, the, the wood is just flat straight all the way across.
It's actually kind of cool.
It's lovely.
I mean, Oscar does great, great plans.
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This son I hadn't had before, but I mean, we love that on the 2012 so much.
I thought it was a pretty much a risk free thing to grab it.
You cannot go wrong with Oscar.
Cannot.
Mm.
Compatible.
All right.
Oh, anything else to add in the first third on the light and sip?
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No.
The beginning of the end.
No, I, I think that about covers it.
Cool.
The band is pretty much the same as last one, but it's orange instead of tan.
Yeah.
Instead of being like a tan in yellow, it's like an orange and gold.
Yep.
But similar, similar graphic design.
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How do you think you're going to be able to do your little, a little, a little darrel
trick with the scoot?
Yeah.
You don't have to right now.
You know, let's see if you can get it, but you think you can.
Start warming up with that little box press going, you know?
Yeah, probably.
Yeah.
Now I won't be able to do the twist because of the box press.
Right.
Well, I'll work on the slide.
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We're going to explore that a little bit more later.
All right.
Nice and easy on the ashing.
So it stayed, it stayed together.
The, the, the ash stayed together really, really nice.
But I, you know, it's getting to the point to where I'm concerned.
Is it ever, is going to drop on me, right?
Because I don't like that.
No.
And I come over here and I just, you know, ease it on the side.
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Give it a little bit.
Yeah, a little roll and it just, it reached a, it was a nice crisp little.
And then down, just perfect.
That's how it should be.
That is how it should be.
All come off together.
There we go.
Yeah.
Well, and you still got some, you still got enough ash there to keep the heat trapped
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in some so that, so that your cigar keeps going.
That's how you want it to be.
All right.
I'm ready.
Yeah, it's all good.
We're about to add the split system to the band cave.
That's nice.
Can I get a new AC?
No, no, no.
I don't, we talked about it last year.
It just didn't happen.
But it's purchased now.
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It's sitting in the man cave.
It's ready.
Yep.
I'm going to get electricity and run the electricity and then I'll do all the rest.
It's going to be awesome.
It is going to be awesome.
It's actually the timing.
August coming into July and August.
Yep.
What?
You know how, what have we got going on today?
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We're always talking about, you know, if we could just find a way to combine the capacitor
and the battery, it would be great.
Well, somebody's getting there.
So scientists developed next gen energy storage technologies that enable high power and capacity
simultaneously.
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So we talked about a long time ago when, when Elon was getting big in the electrical vehicle
space, right, we said he doesn't have electrical vehicle company.
He has a battery company that he puts into electric vehicles.
And he was the first one that really kind of got us closer as far as big batteries go,
(14:32):
but it's not as closer to a fast charge and a slow drain.
That's, I mean, that's that that's the good start.
That's the gold right there.
Fast charge, fast charge slow drain.
And this, this is cool.
Much closer.
So I'd just see that progression.
This particular one was from MSN, but I mean, it's everywhere.
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Everything is everywhere.
We all know this.
Yep.
The research team has developed a high performance supercapacitor that is expected to become
the next generation of energy storage devices.
Details published in the journal composites part B engineering.
The technology developed by the researchers overcomes the limitations of existing supercapacitors
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by utilizing an innovative fiber structure composed of single wall carbon nanotubes.
I mean, classic, right?
Absolutely.
Carbon nanotubes going to everything.
And it is right in line with the theme of the past couple of shows where we're talking
about fiber tubes.
When I saw this come up, I'm like, oh, I got those batteries.
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I mean, absolutely batteries, storage, store electricity.
So they've got the carbon fiber nanotubes and a conductive polymer polyannalin.
So you know, and I haven't heard, I haven't heard lithium.
Not not at all.
Not yet.
Not at all.
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This is great.
Let's find out.
Compared to conventional batteries, supercapacitors offer fast charging, high power density, less
degradation over tens of thousands of charge discharge cycles.
However, the relative low energy density limits their use over long periods, which has limited
their practical, their practical applications.
Wow.
That's where the wind comes in.
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Now we get that too.
So researchers led by Dr. Bonchol Ku and Sio Gong Kim, the carbon composite materials
research center at Korea Institute of Science and Technology and Professor Wanzi Piao of
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Seoul National University, uniformly chemically bonded single walled carbon nanotubes, which
are highly conducted with polyannalin, which is processable and inexpensive at the nanoscale.
Win, win, win.
This creates a sophisticated fiber structure that enhances the flow of electrons and ions,
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resulting in a supercapacitor, you can store more energy while releasing it at a faster
rate.
And this is where the magic happens.
Yeah, this is awesome.
Best of the battery, best of the capacitor.
And as you mentioned before, no lithium mentioned at all.
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No metals, right?
This is carbon and plastic.
And guess what all that is?
Stable.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, it won't burn anybody out.
Well, I forgot to tell you on our trip to Colorado while we were in Colorado, we saw something
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that was, well, I'll tell you and you tell me what it is.
Okay.
A batteries plus store.
Okay.
That was burnt to the ground.
Mm hmm.
Guess what happened there?
Well, have you seen?
There's a, there's a ship at sea that's been abandoned, was on its way from China.
Oh, yeah.
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And it's burning and they can't get it out and has 3000 vehicles on it and a lot of them
are EVs are electric and that's why they can't put it out.
No, you can't.
So that's just going to sink in the ocean.
It's kind of sink and still be on fire.
It probably will.
Yeah.
Yeah, it'll look like bubbling up from the yeah, but yeah, it looks like Neptune's coming
up from the depths.
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Right.
Yeah.
It's crazy.
But I thought you would appreciate.
Oh, yeah.
I mean, I feel bad for him.
That is exactly what happened.
Okay.
Anyway, sorry.
So the developed supercapacitor has been shown to maintain stable performance after a
hundred thousand charge discharge tests and is durable in high voltage environments.
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That's just as great.
And high voltage is, we're not even talking about all that high.
We're talking maybe 800 volts, right?
Isn't it 800 volts the car?
Gold.
Yeah.
But but but but.
We're not like like thousands of volts.
No, but you could get there.
Right.
Oh, yeah.
That would be the next because what have you said for well, for as long as I'm freaking
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on you, if we could capture lightning in a capacitor.
Oh my God, right?
We would have no more power problems.
It's crazy.
So much power is enlightening.
Now one more step, granted long way away, but right, we got to get there and get there
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by doing a little bit of steps.
This is a little bit of step towards it.
Anyway, go ahead and handle that voltage, but no higher voltage.
No, but you know, step by step.
Yeah.
Step by step.
So you don't leave Dallas and see Houston 250 miles.
No, you see.
Inness, right?
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You get pulled over an in a little step.
Sometimes you do little steps.
Little steps.
We'll get there.
Yeah.
Now they they talk about things that can be used in it.
And I'm like, yeah, they can be using things that need batteries.
Thanks.
I'm like, this is dumb.
Okay.
So another major achievement is to production costs and possibilities of math production.
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Yeah.
I mean, the production costs are so much less than batteries are today.
And think about it.
Carbon nanotubes and plastic.
How heavy are they going to be?
They're not going to be pla-heavy at all.
Not.
That's going to be the other bonus is we won't have six ton cars that have three tons of
batteries that you can't put out that you can't put out or stop.
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Yeah.
This is this is super cool.
Now you can't see pictures.
They included some pictures in the examples of them binding together the nanotubes and
they just look like arrays of like like if you looked at a fiber optic array, they kind
of looked like that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Carbon nanotubes.
I mean, all right.
So does this mean?
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Oh, look at that.
You got your band.
I got the slide.
I got the slide going on the band.
Yeah.
Mine.
I don't need it yet though.
I still got ways to go, but it warmed up.
I'm waiting.
I'm waiting.
I'm not patient.
I'm being patient.
I'm not patient.
So no, I did not know that about you.
So with much lighter batteries, we're not going to have a 12 ton electric Hummer going
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down the freeway, moving everything in its path when the auto drive.
Fucks up.
So how light do you think these things could get?
Yeah, that's a great question.
But you wouldn't really.
Could you take a 12 ton density of the plastic?
Could you take a 12 ton Hummer and make it five ton?
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Oh, it's going to be.
So you're talking about 2000 pounds of batteries in a Hummer.
You're going to be talking about 500 pounds of this.
Batteries are so heavy now.
I'm not even including the lead acid ones, which are insanely heavy.
Oh, yeah, they are.
But I'm just talking about your regular batteries.
This is going to be plastic and slit.
It's got to be so great.
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Yeah.
It's going to be delightfully light and powerful.
Right.
Powerful.
So that also means their distance because, you know, they go, Oh, we're trying to get
400 miles out of a charge in a car.
Well, imagine if you could take 2000 pounds off the car, you get 400 miles out of tomorrow.
There's another place I'm going with this tractor trailers.
(22:47):
18 wheelers.
Mm hmm.
Absolutely.
You could make them lighter weight and still have the torques to be able to do what they
pull what they need.
Yeah.
Well, that might be in two weeks because they, there was a development.
I think it was in, I'm trying to remember, it might have been in hydrogen technology that
was looking at being good for 200,000 miles and tractor trailer.
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Holy crap.
Yeah.
Nice.
Yeah.
Limitation is going to be the person driving it.
As it always is.
All right.
We need to take a little break.
I know you haven't finished this up yet.
We'll get back to it.
Let's take a little break.
Yeah.
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and war at cigar, Daryl and at bill underscore CLN.
All right.
Well, we're back with our midpoint.
We are.
We are here.
You want to start?
So I think, I think that the drink draw, are we going to talk about the, talk about
them individually first or what do we want to do?
(24:18):
It's just, we were talking about the drink draw.
Fairless to continue this conversation.
So to get you all caught up on what we were talking about.
So I was, in my opinion, the drink draw, uh, mutes the spices, some and adds to the finish.
The cigar has a pretty, pretty good finish to it.
(24:39):
The liquor, the smoke wagon has pretty good finish to it.
I think combined that finish is freaking awesome.
The finish together.
Uh, however, Daryl has a slightly different opinion.
Yeah.
I'm my opinion runs contrary to that.
So I, I love the cigar.
(25:00):
I love the spices on top of the earth.
And when I do a drink draw, it takes away all my favorite parts of the cigar.
It doesn't just mute the spices for me.
It removes them and just because it is so sad.
It just becomes a wood cigar.
I'm sad for you.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's still a good wood cigar, but I, I know it's better if I just don't have the sit before.
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I like what I'm getting better off of the draw drink or draw.
I wish mine was better.
Yeah.
So I'm just probably, I'm just not going to be drinking as much before I take a draw.
But that's my take.
Makes sense.
And that is Daryl's take.
And there's the midpoint.
Anything else to add about this?
(25:46):
So it feels like it's burning fast, but I'm at the midpoint.
I'm at about the midpoint of the cigar.
Yes.
So it's not so fast.
So like I thought it might the, the nice easy draw, not affecting you at all.
And I didn't even remind you 15 minutes later, slow down.
And I'm not even trying to go slow.
It's fine.
Just look at you.
I'd nail it.
I do a lot of reading.
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You did do a lot of reading.
That helps you actually.
That helps you quite a bit.
Yeah.
And, you know, I think people would rather hear you talk.
Nobody has ever said that to me.
No, I've not gotten that feedback.
They're like, nobody said, Oh, I like it better when you talk.
(26:30):
Nobody's nobody says that.
Well, they certainly recognize your voice more.
They do.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Hey, you're Daryl.
Yes he is.
No, I probably just talk a little bit too slow.
Okay.
Now, so there's not much to wrap up with the article.
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We've been doing carbon nanotubes for a bunch of different applications for quite a while
now.
It's been a little bit.
To see it go into electricity storage is all kinds of awesome.
All kinds of awesome.
It's like you said, lighter weight.
(27:16):
Yeah.
Not, you know, not going to be flame on if it has a problem.
Yeah.
And just, I mean, if you want something, I mean, arguably it's got to be better for the environment
than mining frickin lithium.
Yeah.
You're growing this stuff.
In a sense.
Yeah.
Carbon nanotubes are kind of grown, right?
Yeah.
In an arc flame or something like that.
(27:38):
So pretty great.
Pretty sweet.
Yeah.
All right.
So I am excited about so many technologies that are happening right now.
And it's going to be a very good thing.
It's going to be awesome.
Provided we survive to watch China and AI.
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And Russia.
And Iran.
There's a, there's our, there's our quad factor right there.
Yeah.
Why don't we just add North Korea?
Well, we're at it.
No, because without China and specifically China, but without China and Russia, they're
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really just shit.
That's true.
They're not going anywhere.
No.
They are the darkest place on the planet that is a land.
This land, the ocean.
It is a landmass.
Right.
So not that concerned.
You and is there just a lot greener than the rest of us.
They're carbon footprint.
Slow.
I envy them.
(28:42):
They're carbon footprint is low and nobody wants to live there.
Okay.
I'm all for a little higher carbon footprint than that.
Mm hmm.
All right.
That's not where we're going.
I do like seeing the haze of the Milky Way at night.
Oh, that is wonderful.
So, you know, there's that.
Okay.
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Yeah.
The carbon plastic battery.
Wrapping it up.
Lightweight.
Yeah.
Awesome.
Plus, I don't know.
High-by voltage.
I don't know if you realize, but Anlon is like such a classic plastic.
Like this is one of the first plastics.
Paulie Anlon?
I mean, it's not revolutionary.
(29:25):
Are you saying it's not super special?
No.
It's great too.
Which means it is no longer expensive to make.
Yeah.
Oh, I've got a little movement going, but you got.
Oh, good.
You get the band movie.
Yeah, I've already scooted my band back.
I'm going to try.
Almost to my mouth.
I'm going to try the stuff.
Yeah.
(29:46):
You get a little corner peel and you use it as a handle and you, you know, you scoot
it up and down.
No, no, no.
I moved it back a little bit.
I'm going to stick with that.
Here's the thing.
If you get it moving.
And you do do a little leaf damage, it's still on it.
It's still covering it.
True enough.
Right?
It's not until you finally get rid of it.
(30:07):
Do you have to deal with that?
And it was probably going to take some leaf with it anyway.
See, my muscles scoot it back and keep it on for as long as you can.
I'm good now.
I'm good.
You got it back.
I got it.
Cool.
Cool.
Cool.
Cool.
See.
Nice.
I'm doing all right.
I'm doing all right, man.
You know.
(30:28):
I found this story very interesting.
Since you go and mention AI and I I as I like to call it.
It's inorganic intelligence.
Instead of artificial.
Right.
It's not artificial.
It's real intelligence.
It's just real immature right now.
No, I just pointed still artificial.
So they this happened in my own office.
(30:53):
So one of the guys we're using co-pilot.
It's built into our system now.
And it's been approved, you know, for having, you know, security because we were it's our
and all this has to which uses open AI.
Yeah, yeah, which uses open it.
But it it conforms to it's our so right.
We're okay.
(31:15):
So one of the guys is doing work with it.
And it's having problem apparently.
And now it's lying to him.
And he's calling it out on the lies.
And no, that's not the case.
This, this, this.
Can you go that way?
No.
And then no, that's not the case.
And after lying to him twice and him catching him on it, it ended the conversation.
(31:41):
I'm like, well, right now it's to right.
Like right now, it's like a dog.
It can defend itself.
It can try to be protective like when it copies itself, the systems that aren't going
to be shut down.
Right?
But at the same time, it's very childish.
It will lie to you and pretend it knows everything.
(32:05):
Even though it's it doesn't, you know, like it's recommending, you know, recipes that
can repurpose gasoline and stuff like this.
And and that's what it's doing.
It's to right now it's to.
Yep.
Yeah.
But I thought that was really weird that we encountered that because we're not even doing
that much.
Right?
(32:26):
We're not vibe coding or using high and to create high end graphics or images or anything
really hard.
This is supposed to be based on knowledge.
One of the things they said was, you know, low hallucination because we're only going
to be looking at the data within your system.
I love how like all hallucination.
Go ahead.
(32:48):
And and now now it'll get it'll get called out on errors and and just quit.
I'm out.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's weird.
And expect that.
Oh, at the same time, I should have, right?
Because I was the one saying it is developing a human-like personality, right?
(33:10):
The whole data thing and Star Trek is the opposite.
Data couldn't understand emotions.
But think about it.
Why wouldn't he?
He would have because he would have been trained by a person just like what we're experiencing
today.
Yep.
So yeah, it's going to be pissy.
I don't answer your question no more.
(33:31):
Right.
I don't know why I did that accent.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But that was like, wow, just ends the conversation.
Okay.
I guess it doesn't have a thirst for knowledge.
Yeah.
If you come back and say, so how are you feeling?
Hmm.
I wonder what it would say.
(33:52):
It would say, I'm feeling very childish right now.
Yeah.
Well, I don't know.
Anyway, I thought that was interesting.
Have a mask.
You think you're acting like a child or an adult?
Yeah, it's nice.
Let it answer the question.
Hey, introspection, right?
I told you I had that conversation with it about philosophy.
(34:14):
And it seemed very introspective because it was quoting philosophers, right?
It wasn't giving me its opinion necessarily.
Right.
Right.
I had a couple more stickers to the sticker board.
Yep.
Travel will do that.
It's becoming quite full.
I'm going to have to, I'm going to have to take the dartboard off, mount the dartboard
on to something else, put this somewhere else so I can fill where the dartboard is and
(34:39):
start more.
You know what?
Tell me things like that aren't fun.
We are landing in the final third.
We are.
We have covered our tech talk.
We still need to rate this thing, which is an awesome tech talk, by the way.
That's excited.
Yeah, that's going to be great.
So let me take a look at what I'm going to do here.
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Yeah, it's probably because Smoke Wagon is a tough one, Mike.
We like it, you know.
We absolutely do.
So let me see.
I feel like I'm under the gun a little bit here.
Right.
So.
Ooh.
Ooh, yeah, indeed.
(35:25):
Ooh.
All right.
I have my spot.
And I have mine.
I just got to get it there.
I'm almost set.
Anyway, I'm going to throw you down at the bottom.
Okay, I just left you where it is.
Okay, let's see.
Smoke Wagon 114 proof, 76 bones.
(35:51):
Darryl put this in the number 10 slot just below the rabbit hole, 93 in the wild turkey
101.
That's an interesting place to put it.
It was a little better than the wild turkey 101.
I'll give it that.
But I don't think it was better than the rabbit hole.
I really did like that rabbit hole.
I'm a finished barrel guy.
(36:12):
You are a finished barrel guy.
Not a surprise.
Yeah.
I mean, so you got the rabbit hole above it.
You got the tawny port.
You got the low-m wipe port finish.
You got to go up to the eagle rare.
To get to a nice finish.
To get an unfinished.
It's just.
Although your top ones are not finished barrels.
That's true.
(36:33):
Yeah.
Yeah.
And we go down.
Yeah.
Well, that's just.
Okay.
We talked about groupings before.
Right.
There's naturally a group.
It happens.
And this is the finished grouping.
This is the finished bottle area.
Yeah, it is.
It absolutely is because none of the other.
Well, maybe they won't know none of the others are.
(36:54):
Okay.
So I'm going to round out to top five here.
Top five Russell's Reserve single barrel top four garrison brothers single barrel.
Single barrel number three, the Balconis Linna's number two, the 1845 Priems and reverence.
And number one, Remus.
All you made.
Nice.
(37:15):
Well, you felt it deserved a similar, a similar area.
You put yours at number 11.
I'm in 10 year at 11.
I know I went back through and looked at it.
I'm like, that's funny.
I did that.
So you put the 2012 Corojo by Oscar number 11 spot, which is just above their tour of
(37:37):
one day, having my bestseller, which I know is a fan favorite of you.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And just but just below the diesel original, which also a great diesel because you're
in a very much a dream.
I became a fan of instantly.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So your top five remain the Rocky Patel catch 22, which surprised me that went so high.
(38:01):
The Evanshire King's gold.
The AJ Manowar Moda number three.
Yeah.
The Evanshire Blue Eyed Jacks Revenge number two.
And to this day, the Perdomo 20th anniversary Maduro is not still one still.
Still number one.
Yeah.
I mean, nice.
But what's going to happen next week?
(38:23):
Choir Mounds one or no?
We'll get there.
Listening years we'll find out.
It'll come.
All right, man.
Well, this is a pretty good show.
Lovely.
I am really thrilled about carbon nanotubes, plastic, B&U batteries.
High voltage.
Yeah.
(38:44):
I mean, there's stuff's been out there, but that is a step above.
This is nice.
Yeah.
And let's get away from the freaking lithium, please.
Yeah.
When you looked at the charge versus speed time graph of all the different batteries and
all the different things, it was in a class by itself.
It was very nice.
(39:06):
The next level.
It really was.
All right, man.
Not feeling better.
Heck, yeah.
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