June 30, 2025 • 58 mins
They discuss some recent wind turbine technology while enjoying the CAO MX2 and Woodinville Port finish bourbon. Plus stay tuned for some bonus minutes
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Alright, on this show we're going to do the CAO MX-2 in the Woodenville, bourbon, finished
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and pork casks.
Yeah.
You're hanging out with Bill and Darryl with cigars, liquor and more.
Yeah, it's me talking, we're changing up a little bit.
So the CAO MX-2 is a 5x52, has a Brazilian, Connecticut broadleaf Maduro wrapper, and
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that's mouthful.
Brazilian binder, and get this Dominican Republic Honduran, Nicaragua and Peru fillers, MSRP
$8.
The Woodenville bourbon is finished and pork casks, it's bottled at 90 proof.
MSRP is $45, is 90 proof.
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And a mash bill has a mash bill of 72% corn, 22% rye and 7% malted barley.
It's for six months in pork casks.
There you go.
Six months.
I gave it six months.
Alright.
Sweet.
Yeah, a little change up there, I did the intro on that one.
Yeah.
I think I kind of rushed it a little bit.
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Feel more relaxed now.
Like you can settle in some.
Yeah, I'm like zoning out.
Well, that's how you did it.
Now I see how.
It's easy to do.
It's easy.
Yeah.
You're like, you're in your own head.
You're telling me all the time, Bill, I don't think you're listening to me.
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Well, now you know, see, now you know, that's just that easy.
Oh, it is just that easy.
It is that easy.
Alright.
So what does the Woodenville have to offer?
Well, the 90 proof is one for us on the low end.
You got just a little bite in the nose.
Yeah, the nose is still vanilla, but you smell that pork.
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You smell that you smell that citrus.
You smell that fruit, the fruity flavors.
Yes.
Yeah, it's not so citrus.
It's more of like that dried fruit, stone fruit.
Stone fruit.
There you go.
Mm.
I do love a pork finish.
Mm hmm.
And it's very upfront.
Copy and poor finish.
Yes, it comes through in the flavor.
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Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah.
Lovely.
It's almost that tawny port though.
It's not really sweet.
It's not really sweet.
Yep.
This is a dryer, a bourbon.
Almost, almost tawny port finish.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm telling you.
Mm hmm.
Lovely though.
That goes down easy.
Holy crap.
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That's a smoke machine.
Mm hmm.
Alright.
Okay.
Before we do the cigar.
So the bottle, does it have it over here?
It's a little bit.
So it's got raised on the glass.
It's textured.
Mm hmm.
And the wooden ville on the other side is huge.
Yeah, it is.
That's...
They put some money into that bottle.
They did.
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It's a really, really nice looking bottle.
And good cork.
It's got a nice big place to grab it.
Oh, burly.
Yes.
Yeah.
That's awesome.
Yeah.
It's got that flared mouth so that it doesn't run down the side of the bottle either.
I like the flared neck.
And you can hold it with that.
You can hold it with that.
You're not going to drop that sucker.
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Nope.
No.
Hey, I'm going to scoot these over here like that.
Yeah.
Just...
Oh, yeah.
See, much better.
Yeah.
No glass ungloss.
Alright.
And this is a smoke machine.
It is.
So the...
The MX-2 has a nice, nice dark wrapper.
And it's a Maduro.
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That it is.
And it is heavy.
Yeah.
It is.
You can feel it immediately.
Yes.
But it's not a...
It's not oppressive.
It's just rich.
Rich.
It's the Connecticut Broadleaf.
I love the Connecticut Broadleaf wrapper.
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I think CAO captured me with the Connecticut Broadleaf wrapper.
Yeah, and not just this.
Other ones.
Right.
Well, the flathead.
It almost went...
Connecticut Broadleaf crazy there for a little bit.
And good showing.
You know, they didn't overdo it.
It's good.
Now, so there's this MX-2, there's another MX-2.
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The main MX-3.
And an MX-3.
How many have you had quite a few of these?
Yes.
I think I've only had...
I think I've had less than a handful.
Okay.
Yeah, no, I like the MX-3s.
The MX-3 is a go-to for me at Inquego.
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Now, the MX-3 has the shiny...
It's got the shinier and multi-colored.
It's like a rainbow on the three.
Yeah.
But...
I think I like this one better than the three.
Okay, so aside from you zoning out
while I was reading the intro.
How did I do?
Oh, nice and clean.
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Good.
Two thumbs up.
Two thumbs up.
Yeah!
Nailed it.
Hey, you know, sometimes there's some feedback is good.
It is.
Okay, flavors on the cigar.
So apart from some of the broad characteristics,
it's rich and it's got a heavy smoke
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and it's got a lot of smoke.
Fright training, I think, is what we used to call it.
Yeah, I've never heard that one.
No, that was you smoking like freight train.
I don't know.
Cigar pump of machine?
I don't know.
Oh, chimney.
Chimney.
Chimney, that's right.
Okay, there we go.
That's what it is.
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Damn.
Spin that memory up.
Woo!
The cold draw, I definitely got like a wet paper.
Maybe some kind of like a little bit of a mold
kind of thing going on, but not exactly moldy,
but just like a hint.
Oh, the, just stiffing the cigar, unlit,
stiffing the cigar smelled like moldy.
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No, it's not in the draw.
I'm not getting it now.
No, no, no, no.
And I'm not talking about moldy, actually moldy cigar.
Not like a moldy house.
No.
Yeah.
So you walk into an old, old, you know, 1940s house
kind of smells like that.
Mm hmm.
Right.
Not like there's mold in my humidor.
No, no, no, no.
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No.
Yeah, we should clear that one up right away.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, it's, but yeah, does it really come through on the draw?
No.
So there's a...
And you like the musty?
Yes, I do.
I do like the musty, which is ironic since I'm so allergic to it.
But this, this guy has a...
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It's an earth, it's earthy, but it has almost as much paper as it does earth.
So I'm getting a lot of paper in this.
And the retrohale is actually really mild and brings more paper out.
Ooh, ooh.
So I really like that.
That happened last week too.
I got more paper in the retrohale and it is weak as well.
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Okay.
Yeah.
No, I do get paper off the retrohale, but I get cardboard off of the draw.
Uh huh.
You getting paper, me getting cardboard is almost a standard now.
Mm hmm.
Kind of drives me little nuts.
Yeah.
But yeah, but no, on the retrohale, I definitely get the paper.
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Yeah.
So like a ream of paper as well.
It's a lot of paper.
It is a paper-y cigar.
I like it.
Yeah.
I really like the paper flavor.
And then there's a finish that's a little bit of some kind of baking spice.
It's really light.
It's not a big component of the cigar.
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I'd say it's more earth and paper.
That's its primary.
Yeah.
It's maybe a little bit of...
I think I need to...
Maybe I need to spend a little bit of time without having the wooden fill in order to
get that because I'm not getting that.
I'm not putting that up.
Okay.
Yeah.
I set it down.
I did a rinse and did a few draws on its own.
And I'm not really getting any of the wooden fill remnants.
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Okay.
Now, I'm about to disqualify...
Disqualify for an old-fashioned.
Yes.
Absolutely.
We're going to make an old-fashioned out of this for sure.
There we go.
There we go.
Regular bitters.
Regular bitters.
90 proof.
Port finish.
It's kind of in a sweet spot for an old-fashioned.
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Well, especially for you.
I just got this for Father's Day.
So I've not had an old-fashioned from this yet.
Well, today, but there are many other days.
Yeah.
Speaking of which, Happy Papa's Day.
Well, thanks.
You was...
Ah.
You know what...
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This is a very black band.
And this shiny silver piping and letters.
And it's a two-stage band.
And it's two...
It's connected.
It's like a double band, but it's connected not two separate bands.
And it...
It pops.
Even though it's a dark band against a dark wrapper, it still pops.
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The silver pops it.
The silver pops it.
Yep.
There's a good look at cigar in the boxes in the shops.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But yeah, I have...
A dual band like this.
That is connected.
It's really nice, but it makes me wonder...
It makes me wonder...
That's what I was about to do.
That's exactly right.
That's exactly right.
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So, you know...
So what I'll sometimes do is what we do with a couple of them.
Pop the bottom one.
Pop the first one and fold it up.
Yeah.
Techniques.
You gotta have techniques.
Nah, I'm processing.
You're having a technique for everything.
Or a tech for everything.
We haven't decided which one yet.
I even have routines I go through just for making my oatmeal and having my coffee.
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There's better ways to do all of everything and I have the most efficient way now.
Whoa.
Wait a minute.
I heard coffee every morning.
Yeah.
I am now a morning coffee drinker.
When did this happen?
I know you've been drinking more coffee.
I didn't know you made it to every morning.
So what happened was...
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They put in these kiosks.
For lack of a bit of a better word.
They're like the super autos.
Like I have at home.
But they're not nice.
But they are instant.
And they grind the beans.
They...
For us, I mean they make a cup of coffee.
Now I make what...
And there are ones that have like two or three screens of things you can choose from.
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You know what I'm talking about?
Yeah.
Unfortunately I do.
So I choose the long espresso which is basically like two volumes of espresso.
So it's not a full cup of coffee.
It's more like a half a cup of coffee.
But that...
Now that that's convenient and I don't have a hot water source.
I don't make...
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Because they took away the hot water source when they put in the kiosks thing.
So now I just make the coffee and I have coffee in the morning.
Okay.
How's that doing for you?
Fine name.
Does it calm you down some?
I don't think so.
You don't think so.
No.
No.
I've found that.
It's a push.
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For tea it's a push for me.
I drink coffee.
Well I drink coffee throughout the day.
But I find that if I have coffee, I operate a little bit calmer.
Right.
I'm not as...
Because you're ADD.
I'm not as hyped up.
Right.
If my mind doesn't bounce here and there, I tend to focus a little bit more.
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That's an ADD trait.
That's why they give ADD kids uppers because it calms them down.
Which until you and Jen, everybody else I've known when I've said something like that,
they're like, that's not right.
Because...
They're not ADD.
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Because coffee's supposed to stimulate you.
Right.
Whereas for me, it's never really done that.
I don't know that...
Until I have a whole lot of caffeine, I don't know that I have a lot of immediate effects
of caffeine.
So what it will do though is if I'm like a meeting that's going to be bad or a conference
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where you're sitting through multiple hours of lectures, I will drink coffee to keep me
from nodding off.
Because the other characteristic of ADD is if you're bored for a second, you fall asleep.
If you sit there long enough.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
And so the problem is once I have three cups of coffee, I get jittery.
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That's why you tan.
So it inverts.
Maybe coffee will calm me down on the first cup or something.
It doesn't seem to.
But then like three cups and now I'm just like, now I can...
I'm like, can I always feel my heart like that?
Yeah, I don't get that from coffee at all.
I do.
And I drink probably bored by sugar.
It's probably because you drink that much.
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And I don't unless I'm in a conference or...
But I also, you know, there are people that will go through caffeine withdrawals.
So if they don't have coffee for a couple of days, they get splitting headaches and shit
like that.
Oh, yes.
The withdrawal, yep.
I don't get any of that.
I don't...
I don't know.
I don't know.
It's just the way it is.
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That's all there is to it.
Okay.
Wow.
I am really liking this.
This is nice.
Yeah, I talk about the drink draw.
No, you know what?
I better do drink draw now because once we have the old fashioned, it's going to probably
wreck it.
Right.
Absolutely.
Let's do the drink draw now.
So before you do that, I want to talk about the ash because it is a dark wrapper and it
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does have a lightish ash.
It's still kind of a dark ash.
It doesn't have...
It's got a little bit of the stack and dimes look, but not overly.
You know what I mean?
Yes.
There's a little bit of a lean.
Yeah.
Well, it's not just that.
It's like the leaves were going different ways of the burn different way.
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I don't know what the deal is, but still so cool.
Okay, I'm going to try rolling it off.
Yeah.
Oh, look at that.
Nice.
Now, I'd say the drink draw does nothing.
Yeah, the seriously, like the cigar, I'm still in the paper.
A lot of times it knocks out the subtler flavors.
No, it didn't really have an effect at all.
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94.
There you go.
Well, maybe that's part of it.
No, it could be part of it.
Yeah, it could be part of it.
Could be.
It's also...
I mean, the wooden ville is more muted flavors.
I do like the aroma of it.
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It is.
It is a nice balance between being really porty and still being mild.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's nice.
But I love the aroma.
Yeah.
It's got a good nose.
Because the port definitely comes through in the aroma.
Yeah, I think that's why they stuck to six months, nine or twelve.
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No, I think they did it right.
I think it's also why they use port for a finish barrels because you do get results fast.
You're not screwing around and costing you time and money.
The longer it sits in there, the more you lose and the more it costs you.
Right.
Okay.
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All right.
What do we have today on the tech news?
And we talked...
We picked this out because we did talk about vertical turbines and how they would probably
be better than these monstrosities they're building to generate plenty of power and they're
fairly subtle compared to the monstrosities you see now.
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So me...
Yeah.
So we were talking about the big ass wind turbines.
Right.
Right.
So I was talking with Julia and saying, I mean, they have nothing to do with them when
they break.
Yep.
Right.
That if they can't fix it, it just languishes.
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If they take it apart, well, they can't do anything with the blades.
They wind up just burying them.
Yep.
And Julia hit on a good thing.
So the bases of those things?
Oh my God.
Those are so much.
It's insane.
The bases are like eight foot down or six foot down, something.
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Just all concrete.
Yeah.
You're not...
You're not gonna break that up and reclaim that land.
Oh.
No.
It's bad.
I think it's terrible.
So not only are the blades an ecological disaster, but now you've got these concrete
pads that you can't farm.
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Right.
That's true.
And where are they sticking it in farmland?
Right.
So here's the thing.
Don't get me wrong.
A wind turbine has a capacity rating of about 1.5 megawatts.
That's a lot.
Oh, it is.
Yeah.
That's...
When they work.
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Right.
At 55 miles an hour.
That's the wind speed.
And that's why they put them up nice and high.
Yep.
They ought to put them next to highways.
Anyway, and lower.
But then we burn more gas because we'd be fighting the wind turbine.
But anyway.
Are you going northbound or southbound?
Which way is the wind blowing?
Anyway, the point is these bladeless wind turbine design that we're talking about today,
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it kind of looks like a vertical wind turbine, but maybe with fewer, fewer times.
They make 460 watts of power.
Okay.
Fine.
That is a far cry from...
A megawatt plus.
A megawatt.
That being said, I think these have more point of use application because I could put a few
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of these on my property.
Yeah.
Much closer to point of use.
And not lose transmission line and not be subject to brownouts from something, a storm
or whatever puts out your power, right?
Now, are mine going to blow all the time either?
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Maybe depending on where you live, like not Missouri, but in Texas.
Right.
Right.
Out here where Bill is, where you got two acres, open ground, not a lot of trees, not
a lot of houses or tall buildings.
And a lot of wind.
This is going to blow 24-7.
But even if there's a couple spots in my yard, I think I would probably get 100% wind all
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the time.
Hell, on top of your roof, on my roof.
So you start talking about, you get 4,000 watts from solar cells and you go, well, that's
okay, that's still 10 of these.
I don't want 10 of these in my yard.
And you're going to be like, no, probably not.
What space do they take up compared to the solar panels?
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Because you're going to cover your roof and solar panels for that.
Right.
And I don't know if you could cover your roof and vertical turbines.
That would be really odd and probably dangerous.
Right.
Because now on those breaks, you've got to hole in your roof.
If you've got a square house and you put one on each corner, that's four.
You put one in the middle of each of that.
That's four more.
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That's eight.
You're almost there.
Yeah.
When you go around a house, the direction of the wind, only half of them will be blowing,
right?
Not necessarily.
Really?
Maybe.
How big are these things?
These didn't look that tall.
Based on the picture I saw.
I don't think they're going to see watch.
They can't be that big.
They look like they're about 10 feet tall and maybe two feet wide.
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Yeah.
They ain't look that big.
Yeah.
And think about this.
They also provide partial shade.
Do your roof?
No, they really don't.
No, there's really nothing to them.
No, there's really not a lot to them.
Okay, so the new Bladeless wind turbine design could safely generate 460 watts of power.
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They're quieter, occupy this room and less maintenance because of their simpler design.
So this is from Interesting Engineering.
Quiet, quiet is a key.
In residential areas, quiet is a key.
Because out here we do have several properties that have the windmill type wind turbines.
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But they do.
They are noisy.
Oh, are they?
Yes.
Okay.
It's crazy.
It's crazy that these things are noisy because the wind's pushing them.
Why are they so noisy?
But you hear them.
Yeah.
Well, because they're not.
You hear the wind.
They're not ball bearing and all the tech.
You know, they're just, they're just.
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Well, you hear it.
It's like a helicopter wall.
Okay.
Okay.
So it's not like the rattle of the metal because it's loose.
No, you hear the turbulence.
Okay.
It's weird because the wind's pushing them.
But yeah, no, they are noisy.
And if you could make something quiet and yet somewhat encapsulated.
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People would use it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think so.
I would.
How about that?
Yeah.
It makes a lot of sense for you, actually.
Yeah.
So University of Glasgow.
Oh, yes.
Oh, by the way, you know, they get wind.
If you want to, yeah, if you want to look it up, bladeless wind turbines are, you know,
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called BTW's.
So maybe a keyword search would be TW if you want to find the W T.
Sorry.
BTW T.
So they are working out BTW.
Most efficient designs for future models.
But so that could go up from 460, right?
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So they're an early stage research development.
They're small scale field experiments.
So not developed yet, right?
Yeah.
But that's why it's something we talk about.
Still working on it.
Right.
I mean, still 460 watts.
It can run some stuff that will run your kitchen.
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It won't minus the stove.
Yeah.
Like in a power outage, you could run.
You could keep your fridge running and not throw away all your food freezer.
Right.
So, I mean, and most appliance, well, almost all electronics, we get the kick on.
It's going to be a little bit higher draw, but yes.
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But as long as you, 460 watts, you can manage that.
You, you, you, I already, I already flipped up the second half of the band.
I saw it happen.
I saw it, ladies and gerbs.
All right.
What else do they say about it?
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And if you have, if you just have two of these, right?
That's 900 watts.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You can.
Oh, assuming during the powder power outage, you have wind, right, which I'm going to have.
Yeah.
Power outage usually come with storms.
So bingo.
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Mm hmm.
I'm loving this solution.
So you're looking for a sweet spot where they maximize power without sacrificing the
structure of strength because you want them to still be small, small installations, right?
I mean, ideally, I want this thing to just be on a basically a fence pole is what my
goal be.
Yes.
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You pour a bag of concrete fence pole and put one on top or, you know, it itself is the
fence pole, whatever, you know what I mean.
Make a make a, yeah.
It's four by four posts sink it in the grand put this on top.
Fabulous.
Right.
That's, that was what I was thinking would be the most effective way to put them into
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residential use.
So the conventional wind turbines have been the go to because like, like I mentioned,
they, they make 1.5.
That's pretty good.
But those are big suckers.
They are.
Right.
You're not going to have one of those in your yard.
No.
Well, most people aren't.
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I don't think the HOA would approve that.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
That's hilarious.
Yeah.
I'd like to, I'd like to petition the HOA board to have a wind turbine put my yard.
Yeah.
Okay.
What are the specs on the wind turbine?
Oh, 80 feet tall.
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The base is going to look like a power station installation with 34 inch bolts.
Fucking awesome.
So weird.
Sorry, go ahead.
So in this New York, new work, the engineers used computer simulations to try to, you know,
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build future generators for maximum efficiency.
So that's going to be the next step.
What they showed though is for first time the structure with the highest efficiency for
extracting energy is not in fact the structure, which gives the highest energy output, which
I thought was interesting.
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That's weird.
All right.
So instead they've identified a midpoint where the design variables maximize the ability
for them to generate power while maintaining their structural strength, which, yeah, you
don't want them to shake themselves death or do anything weird, right?
Not at all.
That's where you get the longevity and find a sweet spot.
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So, you know, it's not a lot of power, but it is, I think, something that could be useful.
Oh, 100%.
Okay.
So here's one of the, so I was about right.
So they, they found right now their ideal design is about 31 inches massed and 25 in
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diameter.
So about two feet is my, what's I called not bad.
So that's not bad.
Three by two posters are bigger.
Yes.
That's tiny.
That works.
Yeah.
And what if you found a spot that you could just line them up, paint them green, blend
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in with nearby tree or whatever, you, you'd have four of them make almost 2000 ones.
Shit.
I can put one on each fence post.
Right.
No, that's a good point.
You could put one on everyone here, fist post.
And that would be like the norm for fences going forward.
Yeah.
You got 6000.
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This is, this is awesome.
But here's the problem in Texas.
How do you keep a fence post strip and down?
I got the answer to that.
You get an eight foot post and you pound it down four foot.
Right.
That's how you do it.
You start putting them deeper instead of doing two foot or less.
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Or 18 inches.
Yeah.
And putting it around concrete because two, that's just not deep enough.
Yeah.
Go four feet down.
Solid.
Yep.
So that's, I mean, I've turned the play.
I don't know.
Yeah.
Oh man.
Well, I think part of the problem with the fence is the fence.
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There's no place for wins to go picking up all that wind and applying it to the fence
pole.
Yeah.
Sounds like a great place to put a winter.
Just saying, you know, we're talking about it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I like their range too.
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Their findings right now are ensuring structural safety and wins between 20 and 70 miles an
hour.
Perfect.
That's going to cover most wins.
That's my house on very windy days and very calm days.
I think the calmest we have is typically around 13, 10 to 13.
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That's our normal calm.
Yeah.
And then whenever, whenever for our normal heavy wind, we're generally around 32 or so,
30 or so.
But we do when big storms come through, we will get 70 mile an hour wins.
Yeah.
So I think it's very cool.
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And they're hoping to scale up to kill a lot.
I want to know how much these things cost.
Well, right now, of course, they'd be really expensive, right?
Yes.
Yeah, no, you need the economy of scale in order to bring the cost down.
And efficiency.
And efficiency.
All right.
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All right, we are back with old fashions in hand.
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Let's see what this guy did.
Baby.
Hm.
Smells like a candy old fashion.
Ah, but it's not.
It's not.
It's a little tart.
A little bit.
But I'm a lemon fan, so I'm okay with that.
No, I'm good.
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But I'm trying to get the wooden bill and I'm just not picking it up.
Well, it smells like a candy old fashion.
It's not exactly.
There's a little hint of the port in here.
You get in the fruit, but nothing else.
The bourbon's not really coming through, but the fruit is.
Yeah, you do get some fruit.
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It's not an orange.
It's almost a cherry.
See, I was going to say it is kind of an orange.
I think it's an orange for me.
Hm.
Not bad.
Is it worthy of play?
No.
No.
I would go with that.
I give it a downvote.
I give it a downvote for play, but I would still make another old fashion from it.
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Oh, yes.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I just, I think it would lose in the first round.
I do too.
So that's my thought.
That's not a characteristic.
Yeah.
All right.
Let's get that out of our mouths.
We haven't done it old fashioned in a bit.
It's been a bit.
We've had too many high value liquors, which I appreciate.
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And now we're doing more rums.
So you know, but now that you got a separate room, everything has to be rums.
You're doing a second room.
You're doing a room only category.
So you kind of have to throw some rums in there.
Absolutely.
Although really that last room could have been ranked in the whiskey.
Yeah.
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I wonder where you would have put that in the whiskies.
Yeah.
I've been tough.
That's been tough because the whiskies are so good.
And it's a whiskey, but it's not a great whiskey.
Okay.
Yeah.
Yeah, no.
Yeah, you're right on that.
Okay.
It's a process.
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I know we're nailing it.
Yes, we are.
All right.
I think these little blueberry glasses are great for the partial lobe fashion.
It's like a it's like a it's like a we all fashion.
So you get the Glenn and the we gland.
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Yeah.
This is an old fashioned glass, but it's a little bit smaller.
I kind of like them too.
It's a we high ball.
I like our we'd low ball.
Now, I'm trying to remember the difference between an old fashioned and a high ball.
Is a high ball just another name for an old fashioned or is a slightly different size.
The high balls are taller.
They're not as tall as the water glass.
Right.
They're just as big around, but they're they're just a little bit taller.
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Okay.
Yeah.
And they are narrower to aren't they?
Yes.
And these these are narrow.
These came from a one of the holiday packs from yes, makers 46.
Yeah.
And I for having glasses to go in your cabinet, these are great size.
Yeah, I do like them.
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In the same way I like the weaglin.
I also kind of like the the the we all fashion.
I like the we ball.
We ball.
We ball.
Hey, why don't you go get some of those we balls?
Yeah.
What?
Mm hmm.
There are children present.
What house did I just walk into?
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Did no, is that kind of party, Bill?
All right.
I think I'm starting to clear the old fashioned.
Okay, I just finished my old fashioned.
It took me a little bit longer.
I'm gonna I'm gonna do some swishy swish.
It didn't actually didn't harm the cigars much as I thought it was going to.
The cigars robust.
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Robust.
I yeah, that that is the one downside of the old fashioned.
Yeah, it's really not appropriate for cigars.
Yeah, it's it's not a good pairing.
It's still my favorite drink though.
So here we are mixed drink mixed drink.
Yeah.
Oh, midpoint minded not survive midpoint.
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So no, oh yeah, it may be completely fair to do a midpoint right now, but I I cleared
enough and I'm tasting the cigars.
I already, you know, recall what I don't think it really transitioned.
Yeah, no, and I don't think that I don't actually don't think the old fashioned harm
did as much as the normal ones do.
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I'm my my thinking on it is before we went to the break because we were going to do
an old fashioned.
I stopped a moment and thought about it and yeah, there was there was no transition to
it.
And the the well for you paper for me cardboard.
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Yeah.
I am still in the paper.
That's one I met you.
Right.
Yeah, I was subtler flavors still coming through after an old fashioned and the answer is yes.
Oh, after the old fashioned that's well.
Yeah, you said that.
Yeah.
So no, I I like I like the little cardboard on the back end with the nice deep earth.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
So yeah, this I again, I have definitely found and I want everyone to do this.
Kind of things why we tell everybody to try a bunch of different cigars.
I want everybody to find their Connecticut broadleaf.
I love the Sumatras.
I love the Connecticut broadleafs.
I have rappers I like over others.
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And you don't find that unless you try a bunch of them.
And so San Andreas and Bill loves the Mexican San Andreas.
I mean, there's actually I have a number of favorites, but I guess my point is, you
know, this guy is that so I'm not surprised.
I really like it.
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And I encourage everybody to go find the blend they like by trying multiple blends.
Oh, look at me.
Look at me.
I'm scooting.
Oh, damn it.
You busted it off.
Didn't you?
I did.
But once I peeled up the second half of it, I did scoot it back a little bit.
I was doing it, man.
You saw me.
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You saw me.
I was doing it.
And then I just played too much pressure.
You got you got you got too excited about it.
You need to calm down.
Come have a drink more coffee, Bill.
So but I mean, look at that fold.
I did a pretty good job.
Yeah.
I mean, it didn't take any rapper or anything.
Oh, no, no, not at all.
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I think this human enough, it's not going to fragment on you.
And this is I mean, you you can see the transition where where the leaf laid over itself.
But you can't hardly feel it.
It's really well done.
Yeah, look at that.
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That's it.
It is a cool band.
That is sharp.
It is sharp.
If I were a marketer, like if my calling or marketing, I would want to design cigar
bands.
How cool would that be?
It would be cool.
That would be very cool.
Oh, I know.
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Let me tell you, I feel good.
Oh, too early.
Oh, it is too early for that.
Never too early to feel good.
No, but you can't say the closing line.
I didn't say the closing line.
OK, it's close.
It's darn close.
It is darn close.
But I changed my words around.
Right.
Right.
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Chest eyes, me like that.
All right.
Yeah, there's a lot better reasons to chastise you.
Oh, yeah, there are.
I need I need to put in the fence posts like what we just talked about and put these wind
turbines up.
Well, contact them and ask them if they want to do some tests in Texas.
Yeah.
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Why not?
Well, you got to come on.
I just ship them to me.
I'll put them up.
Maybe they don't respond to you.
But that's the worst case, right?
Oh, yeah.
If you don't ask, you already have a no.
There you go.
Oh, my mom taught you a lesson, too.
I learned that a long time ago.
Oh, OK.
Yeah.
Hey, that's my phrase.
It's not.
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But it is.
We'll go with that.
We'll go with that.
No, my phrase.
I learned that.
I learned that a long time ago when I was when I was much younger.
We didn't say that.
And I wanted and I wanted to date the pretty girls.
But you didn't say that.
I realized I came to realize that it's number numbers game.
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Eventually, someone's going to say, yes, right.
I don't care how many knows I get.
I care about the yes.
Sure.
And they come.
If you just keep asking, why don't they come?
You have to ask.
Yes, you have to ask.
If you don't ask, you already have a no.
So contact them.
Maybe they're not just going to send you something for free.
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But maybe you were like, well, I would like to participate in this.
How could I go about doing that?
And then they'll lead you to what it might cost or what they might need to do.
Yeah.
And how can I help you with testing?
What do you need?
Right.
I can put it in a field.
I can wire it up.
I can put measuring devices on it.
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I can capture the measurements.
I can send them to you.
Because I have good internet now.
Plus, where are all of the wind funds in America?
Texas.
Texas.
You're not exactly West Texas, but you have wind.
The panhandle is at West Texas.
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It's got a crap ton of them.
Yeah.
And like Glasgow, perhaps none of them are turning because salt sucks.
Salt absolutely sucks.
And that's why the ones in Padre, half of them are turning.
This is my guess.
I don't know.
They didn't tell me.
I didn't ask.
But I know what destroys metal.
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And it's salt water.
Less than half.
Right.
And then I'm going to take a little bit of water.
It's not going to destroy its metal.
And it's salt water.
Less than half.
Right.
I was being judged.
It's sad.
It is incredibly sad.
To see them idle.
But in the panhandle, much more of them are moving.
Okay.
Much more than half.
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Not the other panhandle.
And that makes sense.
I would say more than three quarters of them are still moving.
I've not been, but makes sense.
Down by Padre.
That's it's sad.
Right.
So maybe Glasgow could get some data on somewhere that's not covered in salt.
Yeah.
So they might be interested in what would these perform like in America?
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America baby.
Not only America, Texas.
Right.
The wind capital of America.
Forget Chicago.
Chicago's only windy because the buildings focus the wind on you.
Yes.
You get outside of Chicago.
It's not windy like Texas.
Mm-mm.
You want wind come to North.
Texas, man.
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We got it.
West Texas.
And West Texas.
We got it.
So maybe they'd be interested in that kind of test.
They probably don't have anything in a non salt atmosphere.
I love this.
I am absolutely reaching out to them.
You should.
That would be cool.
Again, we've got to lose.
You reach out and your email has been wasted.
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All that word smithing the chat GPT did wasted.
Oh, that's awesome.
I should do that.
I should do that.
Chat TGP is funny.
Anyway, so we have a wind turbine that can just fit.
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I mean, this could fit on a fence post.
Technically, all have wind turbines.
The Whirly Birds on your attic, the Venturadic, are wind turbines.
Absolutely.
Connected to anything and their only goal is to pull hot air out of your attic.
But we all already have them.
In fact, I don't know why we don't put little coils of copper and magnets on them.
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Do something with that.
They have those, don't they?
But they don't produce that much.
Well, so you have to maintain a speed.
They don't produce that much.
Now, in fact, the inverse is what they do.
Mine have solar cells on them so that they'll turn when there's no wind.
But mine's also on the backside between the draft.
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Yeah, so mine is on the backside of the house where I have heavy shade and no wind because
the trees and stuff like that.
Perfect placement for them.
Yeah, well, that's the other thing.
I don't know how much the solar cell works because with the trees and the aspect ratio
of the roof, I don't know how much sun it gets.
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I don't know that anything works there.
But that's not the point.
Good product.
Bad placement.
Bad implementation.
Bad implementation.
But I mean, there was no winning at that point.
That's like that point on the roof.
There's no winning.
That's like putting a whirly gig underwater.
Yeah, it would almost have to be plugged in to run all the time.
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That's that's worse.
I would love to find out if they reply to you.
That would be great.
I would love to see it.
Yeah, no, I'm absolutely reaching out to them because I have I have thought about putting
wind turbines out here.
Yeah, because we have so much.
Yeah, yeah.
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And you know, they it's not just windmill style wind turbines.
There are, you know, cylindrical type wind turbines.
Yeah.
You know, I've thought about those.
Just give me something.
Power the lights in my barn.
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Right.
Right.
So you know, just something and I could technically do that with solar.
But if I have the lights on for a long time, those just drain fast.
So maybe the wind turbines the way to go.
That would be awesome.
Just when all already fifth post mentioned, if I put it on top of the barn, you sure there's
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nothing up there.
Nobody cares about the top of a barn, but the stability, right?
How do you get the stability on top of the barn?
You're not.
It has to be mounted to the ground.
I bet you I could figure out something.
Okay.
I bet you it wouldn't work like you think.
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I could countryify that shit.
But I think, you know, even if, even if it didn't do a lot for your power usage, you
could still generate data for them.
Oh, and I would love that.
I'm a data guy.
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Yeah, you could still be like, it was still measure output.
And you could still generate X this day, that day, this day, that day, this day, that day.
Not only would I send them data, I would send them analysis on the data.
Because I do that.
Right.
Right.
It's.
I love this idea.
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Well, I'm reaching out.
We'll see.
We'll see if the answer.
I'm reaching out.
Do we have contacted?
Well, we know where they are at.
We know where they're at.
Right.
In the meantime, Glasgow, I can do this before before we do that.
Let's rank and rate the cigars and like a.
Oh, yeah.
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Yeah, let's let's do that.
Mm.
Oh, huh.
Is yours tough at all?
Um, I don't know.
I haven't scrolled through yet.
I'm doing that now.
Oddly, I'd almost hate to put it there, but I think that's where that's where it belongs.
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Oh, oh, gosh.
Gosh.
Yep.
Okay.
I've figured it out.
I think you might be surprised at this.
It might be.
Okay.
So the question is there or there, I'm going to go there.
That's where that's where it's going.
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All right.
All right.
Here you go.
Let's see what happened here.
Oh, so last week was rum.
So, you know, there wasn't a whole lot to that list.
There's a lot more in this list.
Ah, well, look at that.
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So the Wood andville Port finish wound up in the number 10 slot.
Nice even number.
Number 10.
So just below the rabbit hole, which I know you love, and just above the smoke wagon,
the 114 proof smoke wagon.
That was close to okay.
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I was close.
Beat the smoke wagon out hardly.
I can't argue with any of this.
It's a good, it's a good drink.
And I'm looking at the rest of the list here, both up and down.
And yeah, no, that is this.
That's this.
There's no other place.
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That is that.
Well, cool.
Okay.
So I should round out the top five because we have more than five.
Correct.
Number five is the Russell Reserve single barrel.
Oh, number.
Oh, yeah.
Number four is the Garrison Brothers single barrel.
Oh, yeah.
Single barrels.
Right next to me.
Go figure.
Not an accident problem.
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Probably not.
Number three.
I buy a lot.
On Kona's lineage.
That lineage is one of your favorite drinks ever.
And cheap as and it's like 30 bucks.
Yeah.
Come on.
How can you can't beat that?
And now I do like the lineage.
It's not my favorite.
Not as much as I do.
I know.
But yeah.
Okay.
Number two.
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Number two is one of my favorites.
Number five preemption reverence.
What a great bottle.
That's that's again another cask.
And number one yet to be supplanted.
Remus volume eight.
Someday.
Who knows?
You never know.
I got bottles and 101.
Yeah.
It's a nice bottle.
It really is.
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All right, Bill.
Bill chose the number 13 spot for the CAO MX two.
It beat out the 2012 CorOHO by Oscar, which good stuck, good smoke.
Yes.
And came in just below the number 12 diesel original.
Good smoke.
And look at number 11.
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And number 11 was the diesel and cut.
Tell me it doesn't belong right there.
It belongs right there.
Yeah.
It belongs right there.
Right.
Now the the odd one out of that bunch is the Oscar.
Yeah.
Yeah.
CorOHO has a little more.
So well, it is just above the Hemingway best seller at number 15.
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And that's yeah.
And the Oscar definitely deserves to be above that one.
But yeah, I mean, it's I know you would have put the 22.
I know you would have put the Oscar a little bit higher.
Yeah.
But that's because they have baking spices and you're in earth mode.
Yeah.
And also would have made big guys bitter root number one.
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So true enough.
We do differ.
We do differ here somewhat.
To round out the top five, we got the Leiga 10 year savage feast limited run.
We got the AJ, Manowar Armada.
We got the Evincura, Levi Jackson Vanche.
We got the Perdomo 20th Maduro.
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And the Manowar, Purell, Acetico, Maduro, Coronav, number one.
Oh, man.
Great sticks.
Oh, it is a good year.
We're killing it, man.
We are killing it.
It is a good year.
Yeah, it is.
Oh, I feel bad.
Heck yeah.
25, baby.
I'm going to before the years out, I'm going to bring back in two years ago, Oscar or last
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year's Oscar.
Are you?
Yep.
They had both of them, but I wanted to do the Coro now.
And I wanted to bring in.
Oh, I can't wait.
The other Oscar when it had some competition.
Oh, it's got competition.
It does now.
Actually, I don't even know if I have to wait till the end of the year.
It's got competition.
That's a great fucking sticks in there.
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When you said you were going to make this difficult, I didn't realize just how much
you've focused on this.
Because you have.
I have.
Damn.
But those are.
I mean, there's some oddballs in there, but not like in years past.
No, that's focus.
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This is a, this is a line.
It's true.
This is a lineup.
It's been a good year.
This is the best year.
I'm starting to become more of an earth guy.
This has been the best year we've had on a show for cigars.
Probably has been.
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And, but you know what?
It's just another indicator of the world we're in, where cigars are innovating.
The blending is getting more sophisticated and they're getting better and better every
year.
It's amazing.
I tell you the sad part in this is that neither one of us has a sophisticated enough
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palette.
To really love it.
Yeah.
Because, and the same part is at some point it's going to turn over.
Well, but yeah, it's going to ebb and flow.
Yeah.
And then it happens.
2000s.
But the 90s.
Great.
And then the 2000s.
Little wishy washy by 2010.
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Oh, they started to blow up.
And now they're slaying the last.
Nine years.
Nine or 10 years.
Some I have been trying to take 20.
Yeah.
Oh, but the last eight.
I don't even that last six.
Just look at the last six.
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Just since we've been doing it.
How many boutiques?
Sure as we were almost six years.
Really?
We started before COVID.
Yeah, we did.
19.
We started September of 19, right?
Wow.
Yeah.
So September of 25 will be six years.
Wow.
Doesn't feel like another.
No, we're old.
Fuck yeah, we are.
(55:52):
But we're the good old.
I'm better than a lot of old.
Right.
We're not falling apart at 50 and a half.
You realize I'm 55 now.
I'll be 55 in just a few months.
Yes.
But we're not we're not old.
We're not our parents.
55.
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Oh my God.
We're definitely not our grandparent.
My dad.
My dad was an exception for example.
Well, yeah, your dad was.
Your dad was.
But I mean, I don't know about your grandparents.
My grandparents are 55.
Fuck.
They don't only they don't like felt old.
They looked.
I didn't well, you know what it was.
We don't look that.
Cigarette smoking.
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It was cigarette smoking.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Now my dad at 55 was probably lifting Atlas balls.
I think it was also it's also still about or also about medical technology.
Nutrition.
Yeah.
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Think of all the lead and arsenic.
Yeah.
And all the things that have come out of our environment.
Yeah.
From EPA standards.
Shit.
asbestos.
asbestos is another one.
Right.
Now don't get me wrong.
The one the one application where I fucking love asbestos was for no.
(57:20):
Sure.
That was the toughest flooring ever fucking made.
That is.
I don't know why they didn't use that shit for landing strips.
Well, because they do.
We know they did.
Right off.
Oh, true.
It might be in the in the in the concrete in the meshes that they used.
But now.
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Linoleum was just such a fabulous material.
But think about just think about how you don't have much.
Linoleum I took up when I was a kid.
I'm surprised I don't have one cancer just from that.
You're on your way.
So.
So.
So.
But think about how many things we made flame retardant back in the day.
(58:04):
Yeah.
I mean, we got asbestos doing smoke detectors.
And now we don't need flame retardant, everything.
We're notified when ship breaks back.
Leave.
When people come and put it out instead of running around with your hair on fire.
Alright, on this show we're going to do the CAO MX-2 in the Woodenville, bourbon, finished
(00:05):
and pork casks.
Yeah.
You're hanging out with Bill and Darryl with cigars, liquor and more.
Yeah, it's me talking, we're changing up a little bit.
So the CAO MX-2 is a 5x52, has a Brazilian, Connecticut broadleaf Maduro wrapper, and
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that's mouthful.
Brazilian binder, and get this Dominican Republic Honduran, Nicaragua and Peru fillers, MSRP
$8.
The Woodenville bourbon is finished and pork casks, it's bottled at 90 proof.
MSRP is $45, is 90 proof.
(00:50):
And a mash bill has a mash bill of 72% corn, 22% rye and 7% malted barley.
It's for six months in pork casks.
There you go.
Six months.
I gave it six months.
Alright.
Sweet.
Yeah, a little change up there, I did the intro on that one.
Yeah.
I think I kind of rushed it a little bit.
(01:13):
Feel more relaxed now.
Like you can settle in some.
Yeah, I'm like zoning out.
Well, that's how you did it.
Now I see how.
It's easy to do.
It's easy.
Yeah.
You're like, you're in your own head.
You're telling me all the time, Bill, I don't think you're listening to me.
(01:37):
Well, now you know, see, now you know, that's just that easy.
Oh, it is just that easy.
It is that easy.
Alright.
So what does the Woodenville have to offer?
Well, the 90 proof is one for us on the low end.
You got just a little bite in the nose.
Yeah, the nose is still vanilla, but you smell that pork.
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You smell that you smell that citrus.
You smell that fruit, the fruity flavors.
Yes.
Yeah, it's not so citrus.
It's more of like that dried fruit, stone fruit.
Stone fruit.
There you go.
Mm.
I do love a pork finish.
Mm hmm.
And it's very upfront.
Copy and poor finish.
Yes, it comes through in the flavor.
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Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah.
Lovely.
It's almost that tawny port though.
It's not really sweet.
It's not really sweet.
Yep.
This is a dryer, a bourbon.
Almost, almost tawny port finish.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm telling you.
Mm hmm.
Lovely though.
That goes down easy.
Holy crap.
(02:44):
That's a smoke machine.
Mm hmm.
Alright.
Okay.
Before we do the cigar.
So the bottle, does it have it over here?
It's a little bit.
So it's got raised on the glass.
It's textured.
Mm hmm.
And the wooden ville on the other side is huge.
Yeah, it is.
That's...
They put some money into that bottle.
They did.
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It's a really, really nice looking bottle.
And good cork.
It's got a nice big place to grab it.
Oh, burly.
Yes.
Yeah.
That's awesome.
Yeah.
It's got that flared mouth so that it doesn't run down the side of the bottle either.
I like the flared neck.
And you can hold it with that.
You can hold it with that.
You're not going to drop that sucker.
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Nope.
No.
Hey, I'm going to scoot these over here like that.
Yeah.
Just...
Oh, yeah.
See, much better.
Yeah.
No glass ungloss.
Alright.
And this is a smoke machine.
It is.
So the...
The MX-2 has a nice, nice dark wrapper.
And it's a Maduro.
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That it is.
And it is heavy.
Yeah.
It is.
You can feel it immediately.
Yes.
But it's not a...
It's not oppressive.
It's just rich.
Rich.
It's the Connecticut Broadleaf.
I love the Connecticut Broadleaf wrapper.
(04:11):
I think CAO captured me with the Connecticut Broadleaf wrapper.
Yeah, and not just this.
Other ones.
Right.
Well, the flathead.
It almost went...
Connecticut Broadleaf crazy there for a little bit.
And good showing.
You know, they didn't overdo it.
It's good.
Now, so there's this MX-2, there's another MX-2.
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The main MX-3.
And an MX-3.
How many have you had quite a few of these?
Yes.
I think I've only had...
I think I've had less than a handful.
Okay.
Yeah, no, I like the MX-3s.
The MX-3 is a go-to for me at Inquego.
(04:57):
Now, the MX-3 has the shiny...
It's got the shinier and multi-colored.
It's like a rainbow on the three.
Yeah.
But...
I think I like this one better than the three.
Okay, so aside from you zoning out
while I was reading the intro.
How did I do?
Oh, nice and clean.
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Good.
Two thumbs up.
Two thumbs up.
Yeah!
Nailed it.
Hey, you know, sometimes there's some feedback is good.
It is.
Okay, flavors on the cigar.
So apart from some of the broad characteristics,
it's rich and it's got a heavy smoke
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and it's got a lot of smoke.
Fright training, I think, is what we used to call it.
Yeah, I've never heard that one.
No, that was you smoking like freight train.
I don't know.
Cigar pump of machine?
I don't know.
Oh, chimney.
Chimney.
Chimney, that's right.
Okay, there we go.
That's what it is.
(06:03):
Damn.
Spin that memory up.
Woo!
The cold draw, I definitely got like a wet paper.
Maybe some kind of like a little bit of a mold
kind of thing going on, but not exactly moldy,
but just like a hint.
Oh, the, just stiffing the cigar, unlit,
stiffing the cigar smelled like moldy.
(06:27):
No, it's not in the draw.
I'm not getting it now.
No, no, no, no.
And I'm not talking about moldy, actually moldy cigar.
Not like a moldy house.
No.
Yeah.
So you walk into an old, old, you know, 1940s house
kind of smells like that.
Mm hmm.
Right.
Not like there's mold in my humidor.
No, no, no, no.
(06:48):
No.
Yeah, we should clear that one up right away.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, it's, but yeah, does it really come through on the draw?
No.
So there's a...
And you like the musty?
Yes, I do.
I do like the musty, which is ironic since I'm so allergic to it.
But this, this guy has a...
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It's an earth, it's earthy, but it has almost as much paper as it does earth.
So I'm getting a lot of paper in this.
And the retrohale is actually really mild and brings more paper out.
Ooh, ooh.
So I really like that.
That happened last week too.
I got more paper in the retrohale and it is weak as well.
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Okay.
Yeah.
No, I do get paper off the retrohale, but I get cardboard off of the draw.
Uh huh.
You getting paper, me getting cardboard is almost a standard now.
Mm hmm.
Kind of drives me little nuts.
Yeah.
But yeah, but no, on the retrohale, I definitely get the paper.
(07:56):
Yeah.
So like a ream of paper as well.
It's a lot of paper.
It is a paper-y cigar.
I like it.
Yeah.
I really like the paper flavor.
And then there's a finish that's a little bit of some kind of baking spice.
It's really light.
It's not a big component of the cigar.
(08:17):
I'd say it's more earth and paper.
That's its primary.
Yeah.
It's maybe a little bit of...
I think I need to...
Maybe I need to spend a little bit of time without having the wooden fill in order to
get that because I'm not getting that.
I'm not putting that up.
Okay.
Yeah.
I set it down.
I did a rinse and did a few draws on its own.
And I'm not really getting any of the wooden fill remnants.
(08:41):
Okay.
Now, I'm about to disqualify...
Disqualify for an old-fashioned.
Yes.
Absolutely.
We're going to make an old-fashioned out of this for sure.
There we go.
There we go.
Regular bitters.
Regular bitters.
90 proof.
Port finish.
It's kind of in a sweet spot for an old-fashioned.
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Well, especially for you.
I just got this for Father's Day.
So I've not had an old-fashioned from this yet.
Well, today, but there are many other days.
Yeah.
Speaking of which, Happy Papa's Day.
Well, thanks.
You was...
Ah.
You know what...
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This is a very black band.
And this shiny silver piping and letters.
And it's a two-stage band.
And it's two...
It's connected.
It's like a double band, but it's connected not two separate bands.
And it...
It pops.
Even though it's a dark band against a dark wrapper, it still pops.
(09:48):
The silver pops it.
The silver pops it.
Yep.
There's a good look at cigar in the boxes in the shops.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But yeah, I have...
A dual band like this.
That is connected.
It's really nice, but it makes me wonder...
It makes me wonder...
That's what I was about to do.
That's exactly right.
That's exactly right.
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So, you know...
So what I'll sometimes do is what we do with a couple of them.
Pop the bottom one.
Pop the first one and fold it up.
Yeah.
Techniques.
You gotta have techniques.
Nah, I'm processing.
You're having a technique for everything.
Or a tech for everything.
We haven't decided which one yet.
I even have routines I go through just for making my oatmeal and having my coffee.
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There's better ways to do all of everything and I have the most efficient way now.
Whoa.
Wait a minute.
I heard coffee every morning.
Yeah.
I am now a morning coffee drinker.
When did this happen?
I know you've been drinking more coffee.
I didn't know you made it to every morning.
So what happened was...
(10:57):
They put in these kiosks.
For lack of a bit of a better word.
They're like the super autos.
Like I have at home.
But they're not nice.
But they are instant.
And they grind the beans.
They...
For us, I mean they make a cup of coffee.
Now I make what...
And there are ones that have like two or three screens of things you can choose from.
(11:19):
You know what I'm talking about?
Yeah.
Unfortunately I do.
So I choose the long espresso which is basically like two volumes of espresso.
So it's not a full cup of coffee.
It's more like a half a cup of coffee.
But that...
Now that that's convenient and I don't have a hot water source.
I don't make...
(11:40):
Because they took away the hot water source when they put in the kiosks thing.
So now I just make the coffee and I have coffee in the morning.
Okay.
How's that doing for you?
Fine name.
Does it calm you down some?
I don't think so.
You don't think so.
No.
No.
I've found that.
It's a push.
(12:01):
For tea it's a push for me.
I drink coffee.
Well I drink coffee throughout the day.
But I find that if I have coffee, I operate a little bit calmer.
Right.
I'm not as...
Because you're ADD.
I'm not as hyped up.
Right.
If my mind doesn't bounce here and there, I tend to focus a little bit more.
(12:25):
That's an ADD trait.
That's why they give ADD kids uppers because it calms them down.
Which until you and Jen, everybody else I've known when I've said something like that,
they're like, that's not right.
Because...
They're not ADD.
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Because coffee's supposed to stimulate you.
Right.
Whereas for me, it's never really done that.
I don't know that...
Until I have a whole lot of caffeine, I don't know that I have a lot of immediate effects
of caffeine.
So what it will do though is if I'm like a meeting that's going to be bad or a conference
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where you're sitting through multiple hours of lectures, I will drink coffee to keep me
from nodding off.
Because the other characteristic of ADD is if you're bored for a second, you fall asleep.
If you sit there long enough.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
And so the problem is once I have three cups of coffee, I get jittery.
(13:29):
That's why you tan.
So it inverts.
Maybe coffee will calm me down on the first cup or something.
It doesn't seem to.
But then like three cups and now I'm just like, now I can...
I'm like, can I always feel my heart like that?
Yeah, I don't get that from coffee at all.
I do.
And I drink probably bored by sugar.
It's probably because you drink that much.
(13:52):
And I don't unless I'm in a conference or...
But I also, you know, there are people that will go through caffeine withdrawals.
So if they don't have coffee for a couple of days, they get splitting headaches and shit
like that.
Oh, yes.
The withdrawal, yep.
I don't get any of that.
I don't...
I don't know.
I don't know.
It's just the way it is.
(14:14):
That's all there is to it.
Okay.
Wow.
I am really liking this.
This is nice.
Yeah, I talk about the drink draw.
No, you know what?
I better do drink draw now because once we have the old fashioned, it's going to probably
wreck it.
Right.
Absolutely.
Let's do the drink draw now.
So before you do that, I want to talk about the ash because it is a dark wrapper and it
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does have a lightish ash.
It's still kind of a dark ash.
It doesn't have...
It's got a little bit of the stack and dimes look, but not overly.
You know what I mean?
Yes.
There's a little bit of a lean.
Yeah.
Well, it's not just that.
It's like the leaves were going different ways of the burn different way.
(14:58):
I don't know what the deal is, but still so cool.
Okay, I'm going to try rolling it off.
Yeah.
Oh, look at that.
Nice.
Now, I'd say the drink draw does nothing.
Yeah, the seriously, like the cigar, I'm still in the paper.
A lot of times it knocks out the subtler flavors.
No, it didn't really have an effect at all.
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94.
There you go.
Well, maybe that's part of it.
No, it could be part of it.
Yeah, it could be part of it.
Could be.
It's also...
I mean, the wooden ville is more muted flavors.
I do like the aroma of it.
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It is.
It is a nice balance between being really porty and still being mild.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's nice.
But I love the aroma.
Yeah.
It's got a good nose.
Because the port definitely comes through in the aroma.
Yeah, I think that's why they stuck to six months, nine or twelve.
(16:03):
No, I think they did it right.
I think it's also why they use port for a finish barrels because you do get results fast.
You're not screwing around and costing you time and money.
The longer it sits in there, the more you lose and the more it costs you.
Right.
Okay.
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All right.
What do we have today on the tech news?
And we talked...
We picked this out because we did talk about vertical turbines and how they would probably
be better than these monstrosities they're building to generate plenty of power and they're
fairly subtle compared to the monstrosities you see now.
(16:46):
So me...
Yeah.
So we were talking about the big ass wind turbines.
Right.
Right.
So I was talking with Julia and saying, I mean, they have nothing to do with them when
they break.
Yep.
Right.
That if they can't fix it, it just languishes.
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If they take it apart, well, they can't do anything with the blades.
They wind up just burying them.
Yep.
And Julia hit on a good thing.
So the bases of those things?
Oh my God.
Those are so much.
It's insane.
The bases are like eight foot down or six foot down, something.
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Just all concrete.
Yeah.
You're not...
You're not gonna break that up and reclaim that land.
Oh.
No.
It's bad.
I think it's terrible.
So not only are the blades an ecological disaster, but now you've got these concrete
pads that you can't farm.
(17:52):
Right.
That's true.
And where are they sticking it in farmland?
Right.
So here's the thing.
Don't get me wrong.
A wind turbine has a capacity rating of about 1.5 megawatts.
That's a lot.
Oh, it is.
Yeah.
That's...
When they work.
(18:13):
Right.
At 55 miles an hour.
That's the wind speed.
And that's why they put them up nice and high.
Yep.
They ought to put them next to highways.
Anyway, and lower.
But then we burn more gas because we'd be fighting the wind turbine.
But anyway.
Are you going northbound or southbound?
Which way is the wind blowing?
Anyway, the point is these bladeless wind turbine design that we're talking about today,
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it kind of looks like a vertical wind turbine, but maybe with fewer, fewer times.
They make 460 watts of power.
Okay.
Fine.
That is a far cry from...
A megawatt plus.
A megawatt.
That being said, I think these have more point of use application because I could put a few
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of these on my property.
Yeah.
Much closer to point of use.
And not lose transmission line and not be subject to brownouts from something, a storm
or whatever puts out your power, right?
Now, are mine going to blow all the time either?
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Maybe depending on where you live, like not Missouri, but in Texas.
Right.
Right.
Out here where Bill is, where you got two acres, open ground, not a lot of trees, not
a lot of houses or tall buildings.
And a lot of wind.
This is going to blow 24-7.
But even if there's a couple spots in my yard, I think I would probably get 100% wind all
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the time.
Hell, on top of your roof, on my roof.
So you start talking about, you get 4,000 watts from solar cells and you go, well, that's
okay, that's still 10 of these.
I don't want 10 of these in my yard.
And you're going to be like, no, probably not.
What space do they take up compared to the solar panels?
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Because you're going to cover your roof and solar panels for that.
Right.
And I don't know if you could cover your roof and vertical turbines.
That would be really odd and probably dangerous.
Right.
Because now on those breaks, you've got to hole in your roof.
If you've got a square house and you put one on each corner, that's four.
You put one in the middle of each of that.
That's four more.
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That's eight.
You're almost there.
Yeah.
When you go around a house, the direction of the wind, only half of them will be blowing,
right?
Not necessarily.
Really?
Maybe.
How big are these things?
These didn't look that tall.
Based on the picture I saw.
I don't think they're going to see watch.
They can't be that big.
They look like they're about 10 feet tall and maybe two feet wide.
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Yeah.
They ain't look that big.
Yeah.
And think about this.
They also provide partial shade.
Do your roof?
No, they really don't.
No, there's really nothing to them.
No, there's really not a lot to them.
Okay, so the new Bladeless wind turbine design could safely generate 460 watts of power.
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They're quieter, occupy this room and less maintenance because of their simpler design.
So this is from Interesting Engineering.
Quiet, quiet is a key.
In residential areas, quiet is a key.
Because out here we do have several properties that have the windmill type wind turbines.
(21:42):
But they do.
They are noisy.
Oh, are they?
Yes.
Okay.
It's crazy.
It's crazy that these things are noisy because the wind's pushing them.
Why are they so noisy?
But you hear them.
Yeah.
Well, because they're not.
You hear the wind.
They're not ball bearing and all the tech.
You know, they're just, they're just.
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Well, you hear it.
It's like a helicopter wall.
Okay.
Okay.
So it's not like the rattle of the metal because it's loose.
No, you hear the turbulence.
Okay.
It's weird because the wind's pushing them.
But yeah, no, they are noisy.
And if you could make something quiet and yet somewhat encapsulated.
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People would use it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think so.
I would.
How about that?
Yeah.
It makes a lot of sense for you, actually.
Yeah.
So University of Glasgow.
Oh, yes.
Oh, by the way, you know, they get wind.
If you want to, yeah, if you want to look it up, bladeless wind turbines are, you know,
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called BTW's.
So maybe a keyword search would be TW if you want to find the W T.
Sorry.
BTW T.
So they are working out BTW.
Most efficient designs for future models.
But so that could go up from 460, right?
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So they're an early stage research development.
They're small scale field experiments.
So not developed yet, right?
Yeah.
But that's why it's something we talk about.
Still working on it.
Right.
I mean, still 460 watts.
It can run some stuff that will run your kitchen.
(23:33):
It won't minus the stove.
Yeah.
Like in a power outage, you could run.
You could keep your fridge running and not throw away all your food freezer.
Right.
So, I mean, and most appliance, well, almost all electronics, we get the kick on.
It's going to be a little bit higher draw, but yes.
(23:55):
But as long as you, 460 watts, you can manage that.
You, you, you, I already, I already flipped up the second half of the band.
I saw it happen.
I saw it, ladies and gerbs.
All right.
What else do they say about it?
(24:17):
And if you have, if you just have two of these, right?
That's 900 watts.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You can.
Oh, assuming during the powder power outage, you have wind, right, which I'm going to have.
Yeah.
Power outage usually come with storms.
So bingo.
(24:38):
Mm hmm.
I'm loving this solution.
So you're looking for a sweet spot where they maximize power without sacrificing the
structure of strength because you want them to still be small, small installations, right?
I mean, ideally, I want this thing to just be on a basically a fence pole is what my
goal be.
Yes.
(24:59):
You pour a bag of concrete fence pole and put one on top or, you know, it itself is the
fence pole, whatever, you know what I mean.
Make a make a, yeah.
It's four by four posts sink it in the grand put this on top.
Fabulous.
Right.
That's, that was what I was thinking would be the most effective way to put them into
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residential use.
So the conventional wind turbines have been the go to because like, like I mentioned,
they, they make 1.5.
That's pretty good.
But those are big suckers.
They are.
Right.
You're not going to have one of those in your yard.
No.
Well, most people aren't.
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I don't think the HOA would approve that.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
That's hilarious.
Yeah.
I'd like to, I'd like to petition the HOA board to have a wind turbine put my yard.
Yeah.
Okay.
What are the specs on the wind turbine?
Oh, 80 feet tall.
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The base is going to look like a power station installation with 34 inch bolts.
Fucking awesome.
So weird.
Sorry, go ahead.
So in this New York, new work, the engineers used computer simulations to try to, you know,
(26:29):
build future generators for maximum efficiency.
So that's going to be the next step.
What they showed though is for first time the structure with the highest efficiency for
extracting energy is not in fact the structure, which gives the highest energy output, which
I thought was interesting.
(26:50):
That's weird.
All right.
So instead they've identified a midpoint where the design variables maximize the ability
for them to generate power while maintaining their structural strength, which, yeah, you
don't want them to shake themselves death or do anything weird, right?
Not at all.
That's where you get the longevity and find a sweet spot.
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So, you know, it's not a lot of power, but it is, I think, something that could be useful.
Oh, 100%.
Okay.
So here's one of the, so I was about right.
So they, they found right now their ideal design is about 31 inches massed and 25 in
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diameter.
So about two feet is my, what's I called not bad.
So that's not bad.
Three by two posters are bigger.
Yes.
That's tiny.
That works.
Yeah.
And what if you found a spot that you could just line them up, paint them green, blend
(28:05):
in with nearby tree or whatever, you, you'd have four of them make almost 2000 ones.
Shit.
I can put one on each fence post.
Right.
No, that's a good point.
You could put one on everyone here, fist post.
And that would be like the norm for fences going forward.
Yeah.
You got 6000.
(28:30):
This is, this is awesome.
But here's the problem in Texas.
How do you keep a fence post strip and down?
I got the answer to that.
You get an eight foot post and you pound it down four foot.
Right.
That's how you do it.
You start putting them deeper instead of doing two foot or less.
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Or 18 inches.
Yeah.
And putting it around concrete because two, that's just not deep enough.
Yeah.
Go four feet down.
Solid.
Yep.
So that's, I mean, I've turned the play.
I don't know.
Yeah.
Oh man.
Well, I think part of the problem with the fence is the fence.
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There's no place for wins to go picking up all that wind and applying it to the fence
pole.
Yeah.
Sounds like a great place to put a winter.
Just saying, you know, we're talking about it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I like their range too.
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Their findings right now are ensuring structural safety and wins between 20 and 70 miles an
hour.
Perfect.
That's going to cover most wins.
That's my house on very windy days and very calm days.
I think the calmest we have is typically around 13, 10 to 13.
(30:04):
That's our normal calm.
Yeah.
And then whenever, whenever for our normal heavy wind, we're generally around 32 or so,
30 or so.
But we do when big storms come through, we will get 70 mile an hour wins.
Yeah.
So I think it's very cool.
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And they're hoping to scale up to kill a lot.
I want to know how much these things cost.
Well, right now, of course, they'd be really expensive, right?
Yes.
Yeah, no, you need the economy of scale in order to bring the cost down.
And efficiency.
And efficiency.
All right.
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All right, we are back with old fashions in hand.
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Let's see what this guy did.
Baby.
Hm.
Smells like a candy old fashion.
Ah, but it's not.
It's not.
It's a little tart.
A little bit.
But I'm a lemon fan, so I'm okay with that.
No, I'm good.
(31:57):
But I'm trying to get the wooden bill and I'm just not picking it up.
Well, it smells like a candy old fashion.
It's not exactly.
There's a little hint of the port in here.
You get in the fruit, but nothing else.
The bourbon's not really coming through, but the fruit is.
Yeah, you do get some fruit.
(32:19):
It's not an orange.
It's almost a cherry.
See, I was going to say it is kind of an orange.
I think it's an orange for me.
Hm.
Not bad.
Is it worthy of play?
No.
No.
I would go with that.
I give it a downvote.
I give it a downvote for play, but I would still make another old fashion from it.
(32:44):
Oh, yes.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I just, I think it would lose in the first round.
I do too.
So that's my thought.
That's not a characteristic.
Yeah.
All right.
Let's get that out of our mouths.
We haven't done it old fashioned in a bit.
It's been a bit.
We've had too many high value liquors, which I appreciate.
(33:07):
And now we're doing more rums.
So you know, but now that you got a separate room, everything has to be rums.
You're doing a second room.
You're doing a room only category.
So you kind of have to throw some rums in there.
Absolutely.
Although really that last room could have been ranked in the whiskey.
Yeah.
(33:28):
I wonder where you would have put that in the whiskies.
Yeah.
I've been tough.
That's been tough because the whiskies are so good.
And it's a whiskey, but it's not a great whiskey.
Okay.
Yeah.
Yeah, no.
Yeah, you're right on that.
Okay.
It's a process.
(33:49):
I know we're nailing it.
Yes, we are.
All right.
I think these little blueberry glasses are great for the partial lobe fashion.
It's like a it's like a it's like a we all fashion.
So you get the Glenn and the we gland.
(34:11):
Yeah.
This is an old fashioned glass, but it's a little bit smaller.
I kind of like them too.
It's a we high ball.
I like our we'd low ball.
Now, I'm trying to remember the difference between an old fashioned and a high ball.
Is a high ball just another name for an old fashioned or is a slightly different size.
The high balls are taller.
They're not as tall as the water glass.
Right.
They're just as big around, but they're they're just a little bit taller.
(34:34):
Okay.
Yeah.
And they are narrower to aren't they?
Yes.
And these these are narrow.
These came from a one of the holiday packs from yes, makers 46.
Yeah.
And I for having glasses to go in your cabinet, these are great size.
Yeah, I do like them.
(34:55):
In the same way I like the weaglin.
I also kind of like the the the we all fashion.
I like the we ball.
We ball.
We ball.
Hey, why don't you go get some of those we balls?
Yeah.
What?
Mm hmm.
There are children present.
What house did I just walk into?
(35:17):
Did no, is that kind of party, Bill?
All right.
I think I'm starting to clear the old fashioned.
Okay, I just finished my old fashioned.
It took me a little bit longer.
I'm gonna I'm gonna do some swishy swish.
It didn't actually didn't harm the cigars much as I thought it was going to.
The cigars robust.
(35:39):
Robust.
I yeah, that that is the one downside of the old fashioned.
Yeah, it's really not appropriate for cigars.
Yeah, it's it's not a good pairing.
It's still my favorite drink though.
So here we are mixed drink mixed drink.
Yeah.
Oh, midpoint minded not survive midpoint.
(36:04):
So no, oh yeah, it may be completely fair to do a midpoint right now, but I I cleared
enough and I'm tasting the cigars.
I already, you know, recall what I don't think it really transitioned.
Yeah, no, and I don't think that I don't actually don't think the old fashioned harm
did as much as the normal ones do.
(36:25):
I'm my my thinking on it is before we went to the break because we were going to do
an old fashioned.
I stopped a moment and thought about it and yeah, there was there was no transition to
it.
And the the well for you paper for me cardboard.
(36:49):
Yeah.
I am still in the paper.
That's one I met you.
Right.
Yeah, I was subtler flavors still coming through after an old fashioned and the answer is yes.
Oh, after the old fashioned that's well.
Yeah, you said that.
Yeah.
So no, I I like I like the little cardboard on the back end with the nice deep earth.
(37:13):
Yeah.
Yeah.
So yeah, this I again, I have definitely found and I want everyone to do this.
Kind of things why we tell everybody to try a bunch of different cigars.
I want everybody to find their Connecticut broadleaf.
I love the Sumatras.
I love the Connecticut broadleafs.
I have rappers I like over others.
(37:37):
And you don't find that unless you try a bunch of them.
And so San Andreas and Bill loves the Mexican San Andreas.
I mean, there's actually I have a number of favorites, but I guess my point is, you
know, this guy is that so I'm not surprised.
I really like it.
(37:58):
And I encourage everybody to go find the blend they like by trying multiple blends.
Oh, look at me.
Look at me.
I'm scooting.
Oh, damn it.
You busted it off.
Didn't you?
I did.
But once I peeled up the second half of it, I did scoot it back a little bit.
I was doing it, man.
You saw me.
(38:19):
You saw me.
I was doing it.
And then I just played too much pressure.
You got you got you got too excited about it.
You need to calm down.
Come have a drink more coffee, Bill.
So but I mean, look at that fold.
I did a pretty good job.
Yeah.
I mean, it didn't take any rapper or anything.
Oh, no, no, not at all.
(38:42):
I think this human enough, it's not going to fragment on you.
And this is I mean, you you can see the transition where where the leaf laid over itself.
But you can't hardly feel it.
It's really well done.
Yeah, look at that.
(39:04):
That's it.
It is a cool band.
That is sharp.
It is sharp.
If I were a marketer, like if my calling or marketing, I would want to design cigar
bands.
How cool would that be?
It would be cool.
That would be very cool.
Oh, I know.
(39:27):
Let me tell you, I feel good.
Oh, too early.
Oh, it is too early for that.
Never too early to feel good.
No, but you can't say the closing line.
I didn't say the closing line.
OK, it's close.
It's darn close.
It is darn close.
But I changed my words around.
Right.
Right.
(39:48):
Chest eyes, me like that.
All right.
Yeah, there's a lot better reasons to chastise you.
Oh, yeah, there are.
I need I need to put in the fence posts like what we just talked about and put these wind
turbines up.
Well, contact them and ask them if they want to do some tests in Texas.
Yeah.
(40:09):
Why not?
Well, you got to come on.
I just ship them to me.
I'll put them up.
Maybe they don't respond to you.
But that's the worst case, right?
Oh, yeah.
If you don't ask, you already have a no.
There you go.
Oh, my mom taught you a lesson, too.
I learned that a long time ago.
Oh, OK.
Yeah.
Hey, that's my phrase.
It's not.
(40:30):
But it is.
We'll go with that.
We'll go with that.
No, my phrase.
I learned that.
I learned that a long time ago when I was when I was much younger.
We didn't say that.
And I wanted and I wanted to date the pretty girls.
But you didn't say that.
I realized I came to realize that it's number numbers game.
(40:52):
Eventually, someone's going to say, yes, right.
I don't care how many knows I get.
I care about the yes.
Sure.
And they come.
If you just keep asking, why don't they come?
You have to ask.
Yes, you have to ask.
If you don't ask, you already have a no.
So contact them.
Maybe they're not just going to send you something for free.
(41:16):
But maybe you were like, well, I would like to participate in this.
How could I go about doing that?
And then they'll lead you to what it might cost or what they might need to do.
Yeah.
And how can I help you with testing?
What do you need?
Right.
I can put it in a field.
I can wire it up.
I can put measuring devices on it.
(41:37):
I can capture the measurements.
I can send them to you.
Because I have good internet now.
Plus, where are all of the wind funds in America?
Texas.
Texas.
You're not exactly West Texas, but you have wind.
The panhandle is at West Texas.
(41:58):
It's got a crap ton of them.
Yeah.
And like Glasgow, perhaps none of them are turning because salt sucks.
Salt absolutely sucks.
And that's why the ones in Padre, half of them are turning.
This is my guess.
I don't know.
They didn't tell me.
I didn't ask.
But I know what destroys metal.
(42:21):
And it's salt water.
Less than half.
Right.
And then I'm going to take a little bit of water.
It's not going to destroy its metal.
And it's salt water.
Less than half.
Right.
I was being judged.
It's sad.
It is incredibly sad.
To see them idle.
But in the panhandle, much more of them are moving.
Okay.
Much more than half.
(42:42):
Not the other panhandle.
And that makes sense.
I would say more than three quarters of them are still moving.
I've not been, but makes sense.
Down by Padre.
That's it's sad.
Right.
So maybe Glasgow could get some data on somewhere that's not covered in salt.
Yeah.
So they might be interested in what would these perform like in America?
(43:05):
America baby.
Not only America, Texas.
Right.
The wind capital of America.
Forget Chicago.
Chicago's only windy because the buildings focus the wind on you.
Yes.
You get outside of Chicago.
It's not windy like Texas.
Mm-mm.
You want wind come to North.
Texas, man.
(43:26):
We got it.
West Texas.
And West Texas.
We got it.
So maybe they'd be interested in that kind of test.
They probably don't have anything in a non salt atmosphere.
I love this.
I am absolutely reaching out to them.
You should.
That would be cool.
Again, we've got to lose.
You reach out and your email has been wasted.
(43:48):
All that word smithing the chat GPT did wasted.
Oh, that's awesome.
I should do that.
I should do that.
Chat TGP is funny.
Anyway, so we have a wind turbine that can just fit.
(44:09):
I mean, this could fit on a fence post.
Technically, all have wind turbines.
The Whirly Birds on your attic, the Venturadic, are wind turbines.
Absolutely.
Connected to anything and their only goal is to pull hot air out of your attic.
But we all already have them.
In fact, I don't know why we don't put little coils of copper and magnets on them.
(44:35):
Do something with that.
They have those, don't they?
But they don't produce that much.
Well, so you have to maintain a speed.
They don't produce that much.
Now, in fact, the inverse is what they do.
Mine have solar cells on them so that they'll turn when there's no wind.
But mine's also on the backside between the draft.
(44:56):
Yeah, so mine is on the backside of the house where I have heavy shade and no wind because
the trees and stuff like that.
Perfect placement for them.
Yeah, well, that's the other thing.
I don't know how much the solar cell works because with the trees and the aspect ratio
of the roof, I don't know how much sun it gets.
(45:18):
I don't know that anything works there.
But that's not the point.
Good product.
Bad placement.
Bad implementation.
Bad implementation.
But I mean, there was no winning at that point.
That's like that point on the roof.
There's no winning.
That's like putting a whirly gig underwater.
Yeah, it would almost have to be plugged in to run all the time.
(45:45):
That's that's worse.
I would love to find out if they reply to you.
That would be great.
I would love to see it.
Yeah, no, I'm absolutely reaching out to them because I have I have thought about putting
wind turbines out here.
Yeah, because we have so much.
Yeah, yeah.
(46:06):
And you know, they it's not just windmill style wind turbines.
There are, you know, cylindrical type wind turbines.
Yeah.
You know, I've thought about those.
Just give me something.
Power the lights in my barn.
(46:28):
Right.
Right.
So you know, just something and I could technically do that with solar.
But if I have the lights on for a long time, those just drain fast.
So maybe the wind turbines the way to go.
That would be awesome.
Just when all already fifth post mentioned, if I put it on top of the barn, you sure there's
(46:53):
nothing up there.
Nobody cares about the top of a barn, but the stability, right?
How do you get the stability on top of the barn?
You're not.
It has to be mounted to the ground.
I bet you I could figure out something.
Okay.
I bet you it wouldn't work like you think.
(47:14):
I could countryify that shit.
But I think, you know, even if, even if it didn't do a lot for your power usage, you
could still generate data for them.
Oh, and I would love that.
I'm a data guy.
(47:35):
Yeah, you could still be like, it was still measure output.
And you could still generate X this day, that day, this day, that day, this day, that day.
Not only would I send them data, I would send them analysis on the data.
Because I do that.
Right.
Right.
It's.
I love this idea.
(47:59):
Well, I'm reaching out.
We'll see.
We'll see if the answer.
I'm reaching out.
Do we have contacted?
Well, we know where they are at.
We know where they're at.
Right.
In the meantime, Glasgow, I can do this before before we do that.
Let's rank and rate the cigars and like a.
Oh, yeah.
(48:20):
Yeah, let's let's do that.
Mm.
Oh, huh.
Is yours tough at all?
Um, I don't know.
I haven't scrolled through yet.
I'm doing that now.
Oddly, I'd almost hate to put it there, but I think that's where that's where it belongs.
(48:50):
Oh, oh, gosh.
Gosh.
Yep.
Okay.
I've figured it out.
I think you might be surprised at this.
It might be.
Okay.
So the question is there or there, I'm going to go there.
That's where that's where it's going.
(49:11):
All right.
All right.
Here you go.
Let's see what happened here.
Oh, so last week was rum.
So, you know, there wasn't a whole lot to that list.
There's a lot more in this list.
Ah, well, look at that.
(49:32):
So the Wood andville Port finish wound up in the number 10 slot.
Nice even number.
Number 10.
So just below the rabbit hole, which I know you love, and just above the smoke wagon,
the 114 proof smoke wagon.
That was close to okay.
(49:53):
I was close.
Beat the smoke wagon out hardly.
I can't argue with any of this.
It's a good, it's a good drink.
And I'm looking at the rest of the list here, both up and down.
And yeah, no, that is this.
That's this.
There's no other place.
(50:14):
That is that.
Well, cool.
Okay.
So I should round out the top five because we have more than five.
Correct.
Number five is the Russell Reserve single barrel.
Oh, number.
Oh, yeah.
Number four is the Garrison Brothers single barrel.
Oh, yeah.
Single barrels.
Right next to me.
Go figure.
Not an accident problem.
(50:35):
Probably not.
Number three.
I buy a lot.
On Kona's lineage.
That lineage is one of your favorite drinks ever.
And cheap as and it's like 30 bucks.
Yeah.
Come on.
How can you can't beat that?
And now I do like the lineage.
It's not my favorite.
Not as much as I do.
I know.
But yeah.
Okay.
Number two.
(50:56):
Number two is one of my favorites.
Number five preemption reverence.
What a great bottle.
That's that's again another cask.
And number one yet to be supplanted.
Remus volume eight.
Someday.
Who knows?
You never know.
I got bottles and 101.
Yeah.
It's a nice bottle.
It really is.
(51:18):
All right, Bill.
Bill chose the number 13 spot for the CAO MX two.
It beat out the 2012 CorOHO by Oscar, which good stuck, good smoke.
Yes.
And came in just below the number 12 diesel original.
Good smoke.
And look at number 11.
(51:40):
And number 11 was the diesel and cut.
Tell me it doesn't belong right there.
It belongs right there.
Yeah.
It belongs right there.
Right.
Now the the odd one out of that bunch is the Oscar.
Yeah.
Yeah.
CorOHO has a little more.
So well, it is just above the Hemingway best seller at number 15.
(52:04):
And that's yeah.
And the Oscar definitely deserves to be above that one.
But yeah, I mean, it's I know you would have put the 22.
I know you would have put the Oscar a little bit higher.
Yeah.
But that's because they have baking spices and you're in earth mode.
Yeah.
And also would have made big guys bitter root number one.
(52:26):
So true enough.
We do differ.
We do differ here somewhat.
To round out the top five, we got the Leiga 10 year savage feast limited run.
We got the AJ, Manowar Armada.
We got the Evincura, Levi Jackson Vanche.
We got the Perdomo 20th Maduro.
(52:49):
And the Manowar, Purell, Acetico, Maduro, Coronav, number one.
Oh, man.
Great sticks.
Oh, it is a good year.
We're killing it, man.
We are killing it.
It is a good year.
Yeah, it is.
Oh, I feel bad.
Heck yeah.
25, baby.
I'm going to before the years out, I'm going to bring back in two years ago, Oscar or last
(53:16):
year's Oscar.
Are you?
Yep.
They had both of them, but I wanted to do the Coro now.
And I wanted to bring in.
Oh, I can't wait.
The other Oscar when it had some competition.
Oh, it's got competition.
It does now.
Actually, I don't even know if I have to wait till the end of the year.
It's got competition.
That's a great fucking sticks in there.
(53:38):
When you said you were going to make this difficult, I didn't realize just how much
you've focused on this.
Because you have.
I have.
Damn.
But those are.
I mean, there's some oddballs in there, but not like in years past.
No, that's focus.
(53:59):
This is a, this is a line.
It's true.
This is a lineup.
It's been a good year.
This is the best year.
I'm starting to become more of an earth guy.
This has been the best year we've had on a show for cigars.
Probably has been.
(54:20):
And, but you know what?
It's just another indicator of the world we're in, where cigars are innovating.
The blending is getting more sophisticated and they're getting better and better every
year.
It's amazing.
I tell you the sad part in this is that neither one of us has a sophisticated enough
(54:44):
palette.
To really love it.
Yeah.
Because, and the same part is at some point it's going to turn over.
Well, but yeah, it's going to ebb and flow.
Yeah.
And then it happens.
2000s.
But the 90s.
Great.
And then the 2000s.
Little wishy washy by 2010.
(55:07):
Oh, they started to blow up.
And now they're slaying the last.
Nine years.
Nine or 10 years.
Some I have been trying to take 20.
Yeah.
Oh, but the last eight.
I don't even that last six.
Just look at the last six.
(55:29):
Just since we've been doing it.
How many boutiques?
Sure as we were almost six years.
Really?
We started before COVID.
Yeah, we did.
19.
We started September of 19, right?
Wow.
Yeah.
So September of 25 will be six years.
Wow.
Doesn't feel like another.
No, we're old.
Fuck yeah, we are.
(55:52):
But we're the good old.
I'm better than a lot of old.
Right.
We're not falling apart at 50 and a half.
You realize I'm 55 now.
I'll be 55 in just a few months.
Yes.
But we're not we're not old.
We're not our parents.
55.
(56:13):
Oh my God.
We're definitely not our grandparent.
My dad.
My dad was an exception for example.
Well, yeah, your dad was.
Your dad was.
But I mean, I don't know about your grandparents.
My grandparents are 55.
Fuck.
They don't only they don't like felt old.
They looked.
I didn't well, you know what it was.
We don't look that.
Cigarette smoking.
(56:34):
It was cigarette smoking.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Now my dad at 55 was probably lifting Atlas balls.
I think it was also it's also still about or also about medical technology.
Nutrition.
Yeah.
(56:55):
Think of all the lead and arsenic.
Yeah.
And all the things that have come out of our environment.
Yeah.
From EPA standards.
Shit.
asbestos.
asbestos is another one.
Right.
Now don't get me wrong.
The one the one application where I fucking love asbestos was for no.
(57:20):
Sure.
That was the toughest flooring ever fucking made.
That is.
I don't know why they didn't use that shit for landing strips.
Well, because they do.
We know they did.
Right off.
Oh, true.
It might be in the in the in the concrete in the meshes that they used.
But now.
(57:41):
Linoleum was just such a fabulous material.
But think about just think about how you don't have much.
Linoleum I took up when I was a kid.
I'm surprised I don't have one cancer just from that.
You're on your way.
So.
So.
So.
But think about how many things we made flame retardant back in the day.
(58:04):
Yeah.
I mean, we got asbestos doing smoke detectors.
And now we don't need flame retardant, everything.
We're notified when ship breaks back.
Leave.
When people come and put it out instead of running around with your hair on fire.
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