Bill and Darrell discuss the latest discovery of a fungus that breaks all records. With it they smoke the Drew Estate Factory Smoke Sun Grown and sip some James E. Pepper Barrel Proof Straight Bourbon whiskey.
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Welcome to the newest episode. In this episode, we are going to have the Drew Estate Factory
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Smoke Sungrown Churchill. And with it, we'll have the James E. Pepper, the Cantor Barrel
Proof, St. Bourbon Whiskey, to Cantor.
You're hanging out with Bill and Darryl with cigars, liquor and more.
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Alright, well, the Drew Estate makes a factory smoke line, which is their budget friendly
stick. This is the Sungrown. It is a Churchill to 7x50, sometimes known as the Blue Rapper.
It has a sun-grown wrapper, Indonesian binders and fillers, and has an MSRP of $4.
The James E. Pepper, the Cantor Barrel Proof, St. Bourbon Whiskey, is bottled at 107.6 proof,
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aged 5.5 years, and has an MSRP of $80.
80 bucks.
Yup.
It's pretty bottled, though.
It has a pretty bad as the Cantor series.
The Cantor series.
So no, no old-fashioned.
Yeah, this does not meet your criteria for an old-fashioned.
Mm-mm.
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Now, the old-fashioned setup is ready to go.
Well, maybe for the next one.
Alright.
So the...
We're always ready for an old-fashioned war.
Oh, I tried to be around here.
I didn't get much off the cold draw. It was kind of mild.
But, you know, it's fine.
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It's just kind of a little woody.
So I actually did a cold draw.
Mm-hmm.
Ha-ha-ha.
And for me, it was cardboard and kind of baby or talcum powder-ish.
Okay.
Type...
Type...
Oderoma.
Mouthfeel Oderoma.
Okay.
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Cool.
Yup.
Just did another one.
Same thing.
Alrighty.
So, on the nose, the 107 comes through.
It's pretty hot.
It's a little hot.
But it's mostly vanilla and honeysuckle.
I like the honeysuckle.
That's nice.
Mm.
Does have some honeysuckle in it.
It smells.
Yeah.
Mm.
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What do you think about the finish on that 170?
It's a long finish.
Half plus .1.
107.5 plus .1.
It's a long finish.
It is a long finish.
And it has strong 107 lights up all your taste buds.
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And you feel it.
You know what's there?
You know what's there?
Yeah.
Yeah.
And there's...
We're not missing that one.
It is.
It is.
I like the long finish.
Yeah.
Well, when it's a nice long finish.
Well, when it's a nice finish that's long.
Mm-hmm.
You know what I mean.
Ha-ha.
Yeah.
And it's got...
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Sometimes English is hard.
Yeah.
Sometimes.
Yeah.
So, I think that the basic wood flavor and paper runs with a finish.
It's got a little...
I'm going to go with like a Mars opinion.
It's like a crummy candy.
A house of pan.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And a little bit of clove.
Woody kind of a okey type woody and cardboard.
And it's dry.
It's a dry smoke.
It is a dry stick.
Yep.
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It's on the dry side.
Hooray.
Well, we covered that record time.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I do want to mention it is not a hard pack cigar.
It's a loose soft cigar.
Yes.
It's kind of kind of an easy draw.
But you know.
It's a seven inch cigar.
So you got all the time in the world to smoke it.
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You do?
You do.
At four bucks, not concerned about it in the least.
Not to mention the fact we have had several of these already.
These aren't the first ones we've had.
Nope.
And all of them for me have had no draw problems, no construction problems.
They've all been...
They've all just been...
Just peachy.
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Yeah.
Pidgey.
Or for you, clovey.
All right.
So for our filler section, we go to the science.
This isn't actually the first one.
There have been many fungus that have been found to be breaking down plastic.
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Yeah.
And it's not the first one we've talked about on the show, either.
But this one apparently is really good at it.
Yeah.
So we just discovered backyard fungi that can break down tough plastic in 140 days.
That's...
So this is from science alert.
And I guess the important thing to note is the types of plastics.
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That's what they're going to go into a lot here.
Almost a third of the world's plastic is polypropylene.
The hardy plastic used to make bottle caps, food containers, and all the things that you're
pretty familiar with.
So that's polypro as they caught.
So now they've found two strains of fungus that break down lab samples of polypro in
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140 days.
Those two are called aspergillus terrios and angiodotinium album.
So they've been...
Yeah.
So between 25 and 27% of samples were devoured after 90 days, and the plastic was completely
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broken down after 140.
That's amazing.
That is great.
We need that.
That's fast.
Give me a lot of that.
That's fast.
My favorite part about this is...
Sure hope this doesn't get unleashed under the subdivisions that were built on landfill.
Well, that's...
You talk about foundation.
That's where they found it.
That's where they found it.
In Australia under a landfill.
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So a graduate student, Amira Farzana-Samat, described this as a stepping stone in designing
practical biological ways to treat waste.
It's the highest degradation rate reported in the literature so far from the University
of Chemical Engineering area.
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Cool engineering.
And it might be a speed record for it, but it was discovered in a compost heap.
The other one is...
What you've got to admit, there's a lot of chemistry going on in a compost heap.
Now, this one kills me.
This one's amazing.
They discovered in a compost heap have been able to break down 90% of PET, which is short
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for polyethylene terithally.
So this is another one that's really common, but not quite as common as polypro in 16
hours.
Holy crap.
That's nice.
Plastic go away.
Well, you know, I mean, it came from raw material that already existed in the earth.
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Yeah.
It felt like we created something new.
Yeah, but cross-linking them and chaining them together just makes it harder to get
into it.
Yeah.
But there's things that eat oil.
Yes.
And basically what this is is chained together oil.
Yeah.
But eventually, nature will find a way.
Oh, yeah.
It's gotten...
Nature will break down everything eventually.
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Yes.
Yes.
Even uranium.
Even...
It kind of breaks down itself, too.
That's part of the...
There's that.
So I think this is really cool.
I partly wonder is, will we eventually have...
Microbe, shadidush?
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Microbes.
Microbes.
Microbes do eat us if we just die and we stop fighting them.
They take over.
Yeah.
But what if we could get some of the fungus in our system to eat the microplastics in
our body?
Yeah.
Geez.
Get one that won't kill us.
I mean, if you eat the microplastics...
If you pooped it out, you'd poop out a 12-pack of water bottles.
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Mmm.
We'd have a lot.
There's a bunch in us.
So these two are pretty good.
They're speed demons, right?
Oh, yeah, they are.
But there are 400 microorganisms that have been found to degrade plastic naturally.
And of course, the fungi attracting more attention because of their versatility and their ability
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to degrade all sorts of synthetic substrates.
With a powerful concoction of enzymes.
So that's a big powerful concoction.
Yeah, that's a great name.
I like that phrase.
So I see a lot of your recycling plants being turned into giant, warm vats.
You're horrible as they can do.
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Probably beaded plastic.
Probably crush it up, make it easier.
Oh, yeah.
Or surface area.
Get it in there.
Get it going.
Yep.
Now, there's some interesting one.
Now, they didn't name names here.
I don't think.
Recent studies suggest some fungi may even degrade some of the forever chemicals like
PFASs.
And it's slow, but not well understood.
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But they think they're doing it.
I think that's pretty cool.
They're working on it.
That's going to be something like a Teflon.
Stuff like that.
Yeah, hardy.
Hardy.
Yes, yes.
Now, there's a lot of different ways that they do this.
And unfortunately, we're dumping more plastics than degrading them.
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So I think we're still going to have a lot of them in landfills.
I guess maybe the fungus will grow in the landfills on its own until we start treating
them in the giant vats, right?
Yep.
But they think that the two fungi could decompose granules and thin films of Polypro, along
with aluminum coated Polypro sheets.
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I don't know why they just threw that out of nowhere.
When did we start aluminum coating?
And I don't know what's that from, but it's interesting.
There's something there though.
One thing they mentioned though is they do have to pretreat it with UV light, heat or
chemical reagent to weaken the waste material so the fungi can attack it.
Really?
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Well, I think it's why we're seeing the ocean waste be degraded and broken down in the
smaller and smarter particles, which they're not actually all that happy about because
now the animals are eating it because it's very small.
But you can't get exposed to more UV light than floating in the ocean.
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Well, yeah.
Sun and salt.
Uh-huh.
And water.
It'll destroy everything.
OK, so being landlocked, they have treated with UV light.
You don't have to treat it with UV light.
You could put up a very large area.
You just dump it and then scoop it up later after it bakes in the sun for a while.
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I don't know.
You set up high power UV lights over your conveyor belt as you conveyor over to be chopped up
in the little balls.
Like maybe.
Right, go.
I like using the sun.
The sun's there.
And you and you and you, you know, have UV light in the in the crush process and in
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the storage process.
And then you introduce the introduce the fungi and it goes to work, goes to town.
It grows.
It's happy.
We would definitely do it that way instead of using the sun.
Because you'd want it to be a regular industrial process.
Yeah, it's something that you can predict and right.
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Manufacture, right.
Right.
We could manufacture destruction and it can work 24 70.
You're not dependent upon the sun, be it up or clowns in the way.
Show enough.
Yeah, manufacturability, man.
We need to get this shit going.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, good point.
So they're still working the optimize the experimental.
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I just bought a diesel truck.
I'm going to be dumping a whole lot more plastic in the trash bags.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Emissions shit they did to the diesels.
Now, now I've got to add stuff to things that otherwise wouldn't have to.
Really?
Yeah.
And it's all encased in plastic.
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So you have to put additives in every tank?
Yeah.
That sucks.
Recommended.
Yeah.
So they, what they do, what, what they do apparently since 2006, they siphoned some
of the exhaust off and recirculate it back into your engine and all the, and they've
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also went to low sulfur sulfur.
Yeah.
Diesel.
So it's not as lubricating as it used to be.
Oh, okay.
So you've got to add stuff to add lubrication.
You got to add stuff to keep your injectors clean.
You got to add it.
Okay.
And it's all encased in little plastic bottles.
Why isn't that in the diesel fuel?
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Oh, because the EPA don't want it in the diesel fuel.
Yeah, they do because we just did it.
I don't get it.
That's weird.
Let's put the sulfur back in.
It worked just fine.
Yeah.
We don't want the S O X is in the air.
All.
That creates acid rain.
Creole.
Well, true enough.
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Yeah.
But boo his you got pores.
I've got another.
I've got another.
I've got more on that.
We'll talk about all fun.
Okay.
Yeah.
But I love the waist.
But I got more waste now.
A little plastic bottles.
But I love the truck.
Get a 55 year old drum of it.
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Yeah, but I'm supposed to put it in the tank before I fill the gas.
Oh, are you?
So it mixes as it pumps in.
It's good.
Yeah.
But you could just you could pour something from you could pump it from a large drum.
Let's just say a 20 gallon drum.
Pump it from a drum into a little bottle and dump the bottle in and then you could keep
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the bottle.
Recycle one reuse.
Reuse one container.
Yes.
Not a bad idea.
Kind of like I do the glasses.
I drink from a glass instead of a water bottle.
Disposable.
Yeah.
Mmm.
Anyway, no more high horse.
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All right.
So the working manufacturer building.
Yeah.
Actually, we have the UV light break it down.
So you heat it up on the conveyor belt.
You make it go through sun lamp type things.
You expose it to UV as it goes.
You crush it up.
You form it up.
You put it through tumbler.
You put it in a vat and then you let this stuff just go to town.
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The other thing we could do, but you got to add moisture, right?
Because fungi likes moisture.
Oh, sure.
Yeah.
So you got to add some moisture to it.
That's why you called it a vat.
I'm just now getting there.
Sorry about that.
Not a problem.
And this, this sounds like it's ready to go.
We already all of this technology.
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We already have.
You know, we're getting the same.
I think you've got the thing.
We've, I mean, we figured out big UV stuffs over COVID.
We got a half part figured out too.
We're good to go.
There's a second half.
You can start testing plastics that are more easily biodegraded by the fungi and start
making your shit out of that.
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You know, it changed the plastic you're making out of.
Yes.
But, but you use AI to figure it out first.
Come up with the formula, then you create it, make it out of that.
Exactly.
Exactly.
And then start producing.
Exactly.
But the question becomes, if it's easier for fungus to eat it, does that mean that it's
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easier to absorb in our bodies?
I don't know.
We'll find that out too, won't we?
Oh, yeah, we will.
Oh, it took us 50 years.
Not 20 years.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Actually, no.
It'd be 70 years now, wouldn't it?
Some plastics made in their mid early 50s?
Yeah, but not not as much for in just a minute.
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Yeah, that's true.
We didn't have all the water bottles and all that.
We didn't have quite as much plastic.
It was pretty much nylon or women weren't eating nylon.
We didn't have microwave ovens.
You know, we had we had Tupperware, Hunger Man or whatever that was an aluminum pan.
Right.
So covered with aluminum oil.
So you put it in the other foil or cardboard.
Yeah, it wasn't plastic.
Everything's plastic now.
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Yeah.
All your food's wrapped in it.
All your everything.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You eat it all.
I forgot.
What it wasn't.
So at least prevalent.
Right away.
Yeah.
And you know, it was coming up in the 80s, 90s was a real big boom, right?
For all that junk.
So I mean, not that long ago, but long enough.
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Yeah.
So we could still round to 50.
We'll probably get more of us, more plastic in us than Genghis Khan did being a part of
our DNA.
So he is, he is a large part of the world's DNA is kind of funny.
Yeah.
That's what?
Over a third.
I don't remember, but I remember it's a large number.
Yeah.
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Crazy.
All right.
Why don't we take a break and come back with a midpoint.
Let's do that.
Let's do that thing.
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Thanks.
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All right.
Well, I hadn't mentioned before.
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School has a drink drag.
So yeah, I did notice the wood flavor is still a prevalent, but then the paper does
go away in a drink drag.
Typical.
Yeah.
And I don't get that finish of whatever the weird candy is, but all right.
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Neither here or there.
It's a small, small price to pay for enjoying a libation and a $4 stick.
Yeah, $4 stick.
You might have to buy the $4 sticks if you buy $80 bottles.
Yeah, I'll say this though.
Pocketbook man pocketbook.
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I say this though.
Say you've got three cigars and your average cigar is $10.
That's a $30.
Let's say bottle, right?
Yeah.
If you start buying expensive cigars, you know, all I'm smoking the 1964 Padrona every
day, that's now a lot different.
Oh, yeah.
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Now that $80 bottle is like, you know, actually that $80 bottle is going to last you a lot
longer than eight sticks.
Well, not you and me, but.
Well, I mean, what?
Okay.
So this stick is what?
Five percent of the cost of that bottom?
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Right.
No, I would never be able to do 20 sticks on one bottle.
That would, it would, I would need to open another bottle.
Because I think there's one E six shots in the bottom.
Do we need to do this now?
We need to have a cigar to liquor cost ratio.
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I'll raise you.
I mean, we shouldn't, we like math, but we shouldn't burden our listeners with math.
We should not know.
I don't think we should do that.
Yeah, you're probably right.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I think they find maybe the science interesting, but I don't think they find statistics all
that interesting.
That barely counts as statistics.
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Really?
I didn't say trended.
All right.
What did you, what did you think?
Do you have some on the midpoint?
I haven't, I haven't had no transitions.
It tastes like a.
No, no.
I was trying to.
I did do the, I did do the drink draw and yeah, the cardboard goes away.
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But for the most part, everything's the same.
Wait, no.
No, no, wait a minute.
Wait a minute.
Wait a minute.
Wait a minute.
Wait a minute.
Wait a minute.
Wait, wait a minute.
Wait, wait a minute.
Is the liquor tasting any different to you with the cigar?
No, but I think it cuts down on the finish of the liquor.
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Oh, yeah, it does.
It doesn't change.
I forgot to mention that.
But it cuts down on how long that finishes.
It does.
It makes the finish shorter.
I forgot.
It's okay.
I got you.
No, we're all good though.
But as long as we mentioned the notes at some point, that's really all that matters, right?
Oh, the cigar stays out of the way of the liquor.
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Maybe the liquor takes away a couple of the finer points of the cigar, but I'm still happy.
Oh, absolutely.
Absolutely.
Set that set money ratio we're talking about.
No, we're not.
No, we're not.
We're not bill.
That's been vetoed.
Oh, you could talk about it.
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Might have won't be there in the final cut.
Yeah, and we're selectively editing.
And that's gone.
We should probably do that to bill anyway.
The term is cutting room floor.
And even though we don't have any actual cutting, I can cut and not paste.
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Yes, yes, yes, you can.
Yes, you can.
Maybe it should be called the pacing room for it.
Actually, it kind of still is a cutting room floor.
You still cut it out.
Yeah, you still cut it out.
It's still valid.
It's just it's just not a knife.
Virtual cutting room.
Right.
Right.
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All right.
So enough of that.
There we go.
Now I got to talk physics.
I wasn't going to bring it up anymore.
It does not escape me.
This is coming out the Monday after 4th of July.
So I hope everybody enjoyed the weekend.
Yeah, I hope you did.
Long weekend for me.
What about you?
Oh, yep.
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We actually get 4th of July off.
Nice.
We don't get a lot of the national holidays off, but we do get the 4th.
So yay.
Oh, yeah.
Won't be won't be doing anything Friday.
I mean, for real.
I'm going to do nothing.
No, no, no, no, no, I'm not going to do any work around the house.
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I don't have plans to improve anything, including myself.
I will probably I'm going to degrade myself a little bit.
Probably sit around and drink a smoke.
Yeah, it was most likely what I want to do.
You have plans?
Yeah, about like that.
Yeah.
About like that.
About like possibly at your house.
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Yes.
I was thinking as long as it wasn't raining a month, might jump in the pool time or two.
There you go.
Yeah.
You don't come over jumping the pool.
We could do some corn hole.
That doesn't sound bad.
Don't you don't think it'll be hot in July, do you?
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Was it hot today?
No, not rain though.
Oh my god.
It was brutal when it stopped raining.
We have had such a mild summer.
Don't get me wrong.
It's been rainy.
It's kind of coming.
Yeah, our rain got delayed.
We don't have to lose.
It does happen.
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The rain even if it rained, not going to raid out or drinking a smoking for the July.
Oh, absolutely not.
So I don't care rain.
Absolutely never cursed the rain in Texas.
You take all you can get.
Yeah, never argue with it.
That's for sure.
Yeah.
But you know, you don't have to water your yard as much.
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My tomatoes are happy.
Tomato's happy.
Basil's happy.
Actually, the basil's not so happy.
The tomatoes are shadowing it bad.
I maybe come back to tomatoes.
Tomatoes went crazy.
A lot of water.
I think tomatoes like water.
Yeah.
Yeah.
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They're made up of a larger portion of water than we are, I think.
So happy fourth, everyone.
Hope you enjoyed your weekend.
Yes.
Hope you didn't lose any fingers, toes, eyes.
All right.
You ready to rate these things?
Are we there already?
I feel like we are.
I've got nothing more to add.
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That's a half a show.
Oh, it's fine.
Nobody's timing us.
Cool.
Okay.
Star showing do what we want.
You're here.
Okay.
What have we got?
I need to get this thing back open.
Okay.
Ah.
So how many Drews have we done on the show?
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Yeah, that is something we were talking about before the show.
This is just the second Drew this year.
After all the crazy mess.
Crazy talking about Drew.
This is just the second one.
You know, that was part of the reason I brought it in is because, well, I like it and I had
a bundle of them.
Yeah.
Because you don't buy one of these.
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You buy a bundle.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Got a monster buys one.
All right.
Oh, oh, okay.
You know what?
Dang.
This may surprise you.
Oh, boy.
Oh, boy.
This is nuts.
This is oh, man.
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I've got four.
I'm trying to cycle between and it.
You know how we put them in the pools, you know?
Yeah.
This is a tough.
Oh, boy.
Dang.
Ah.
Now, okay.
Okay.
Well, you got a list of bourbon to the weird spot.
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I'll be able to do it.
He's in a weird spot.
That's a weird spot.
That's a funny way.
All right.
Let's see where you put this.
Our Drew Estate Factory Smokes Sun Grown is in the number 23 spot.
Man, that was right between the partes Cifwentes at 22 and best thing, the Parroti King at 24.
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It was a difficult choice.
It really was.
And I couldn't decide whether it deserved to be higher in the chain because, you know,
there are some that it's really, really close to, but not as full of flavor as those
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that are close to it.
So that's why I kind of wound up where it was.
I had that same issue.
Yeah.
And yeah.
So there we go.
Okay.
So the James E. Pepper to canter, barrel proof straight bourbon whiskey.
Darryl placed in the number 13 slot just below the wild turkey one on one and just above
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the whiskey riot 2025 infinity.
Yeah.
So it's a weird infinity bottle.
So nobody can really compare that.
But I don't know if people realize how good a bottle wild turkey is.
That wild turkey one on one is such a great bottle.
It is.
And so I will know just below the infinity bottle are my benchmarks.
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Yeah.
So Mark eight benchmark full.
I was I was battling all those.
I wasn't sure where.
Yeah, no, I'm.
It's close because I love that benchmark eight and I love that benchmark full proof.
Yep.
So I thought, it is it's pretty good.
You know, it's pretty good.
Okay.
Good bottle.
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The benchmark full proof 125.
This this pepper is.
Yeah, one of 70.
I mean, sorry, one of seven, $80.
One of seven.
But the this pepper comes off sharper.
It does.
It does.
It's not.
And that's why I was battling the three.
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Yeah.
It's because for the proof, both the eight and the full proof benchmarks come off a bit
smoother, less hot.
Yep.
Yep.
Then this.
Yep.
And I'm a proof for, but I don't I don't like it just to be sharp for no reason.
Absolutely.
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Yeah.
So I still gave it the benefit of the doubt.
It's got some nice flavors.
And so I put it just above the benchmarks.
But it was it was it was close and telling you.
So it ran out to top five in the liquor where the Russell was observed single barrel number
five number four Garrison Brothers single barrel.
Number three, the Balconis on his number two, the 1845 preemption reverence cast.
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And number one, the Remus of volume eight.
All right.
And since I forgot to do the top five four cigars, we have the legal provider 10 years
savage feast limited run at number five, the AJ Man of War, or Mada at number four,
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the adventura blue eyed Jackson, man.
Number three, the better, Tomo 20th anniversary Maduro at number two and the man of War
Pure authentic.
Oh, Maduro at number one.
Hard to believe.
Yeah.
All right, man.
Good.
Good run.
Good.
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Good.
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Welcome to the newest episode. In this episode, we are going to have the Drew Estate Factory
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Smoke Sungrown Churchill. And with it, we'll have the James E. Pepper, the Cantor Barrel
Proof, St. Bourbon Whiskey, to Cantor.
You're hanging out with Bill and Darryl with cigars, liquor and more.
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Alright, well, the Drew Estate makes a factory smoke line, which is their budget friendly
stick. This is the Sungrown. It is a Churchill to 7x50, sometimes known as the Blue Rapper.
It has a sun-grown wrapper, Indonesian binders and fillers, and has an MSRP of $4.
The James E. Pepper, the Cantor Barrel Proof, St. Bourbon Whiskey, is bottled at 107.6 proof,
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aged 5.5 years, and has an MSRP of $80.
80 bucks.
Yup.
It's pretty bottled, though.
It has a pretty bad as the Cantor series.
The Cantor series.
So no, no old-fashioned.
Yeah, this does not meet your criteria for an old-fashioned.
Mm-mm.
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Now, the old-fashioned setup is ready to go.
Well, maybe for the next one.
Alright.
So the...
We're always ready for an old-fashioned war.
Oh, I tried to be around here.
I didn't get much off the cold draw. It was kind of mild.
But, you know, it's fine.
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It's just kind of a little woody.
So I actually did a cold draw.
Mm-hmm.
Ha-ha-ha.
And for me, it was cardboard and kind of baby or talcum powder-ish.
Okay.
Type...
Type...
Oderoma.
Mouthfeel Oderoma.
Okay.
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Cool.
Yup.
Just did another one.
Same thing.
Alrighty.
So, on the nose, the 107 comes through.
It's pretty hot.
It's a little hot.
But it's mostly vanilla and honeysuckle.
I like the honeysuckle.
That's nice.
Mm.
Does have some honeysuckle in it.
It smells.
Yeah.
Mm.
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What do you think about the finish on that 170?
It's a long finish.
Half plus .1.
107.5 plus .1.
It's a long finish.
It is a long finish.
And it has strong 107 lights up all your taste buds.
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And you feel it.
You know what's there?
You know what's there?
Yeah.
Yeah.
And there's...
We're not missing that one.
It is.
It is.
I like the long finish.
Yeah.
Well, when it's a nice long finish.
Well, when it's a nice finish that's long.
Mm-hmm.
You know what I mean.
Ha-ha.
Yeah.
And it's got...
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Sometimes English is hard.
Yeah.
Sometimes.
Yeah.
So, I think that the basic wood flavor and paper runs with a finish.
It's got a little...
I'm going to go with like a Mars opinion.
It's like a crummy candy.
A house of pan.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And a little bit of clove.
Woody kind of a okey type woody and cardboard.
And it's dry.
It's a dry smoke.
It is a dry stick.
Yep.
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It's on the dry side.
Hooray.
Well, we covered that record time.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I do want to mention it is not a hard pack cigar.
It's a loose soft cigar.
Yes.
It's kind of kind of an easy draw.
But you know.
It's a seven inch cigar.
So you got all the time in the world to smoke it.
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You do?
You do.
At four bucks, not concerned about it in the least.
Not to mention the fact we have had several of these already.
These aren't the first ones we've had.
Nope.
And all of them for me have had no draw problems, no construction problems.
They've all been...
They've all just been...
Just peachy.
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Yeah.
Pidgey.
Or for you, clovey.
All right.
So for our filler section, we go to the science.
This isn't actually the first one.
There have been many fungus that have been found to be breaking down plastic.
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Yeah.
And it's not the first one we've talked about on the show, either.
But this one apparently is really good at it.
Yeah.
So we just discovered backyard fungi that can break down tough plastic in 140 days.
That's...
So this is from science alert.
And I guess the important thing to note is the types of plastics.
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That's what they're going to go into a lot here.
Almost a third of the world's plastic is polypropylene.
The hardy plastic used to make bottle caps, food containers, and all the things that you're
pretty familiar with.
So that's polypro as they caught.
So now they've found two strains of fungus that break down lab samples of polypro in
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140 days.
Those two are called aspergillus terrios and angiodotinium album.
So they've been...
Yeah.
So between 25 and 27% of samples were devoured after 90 days, and the plastic was completely
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broken down after 140.
That's amazing.
That is great.
We need that.
That's fast.
Give me a lot of that.
That's fast.
My favorite part about this is...
Sure hope this doesn't get unleashed under the subdivisions that were built on landfill.
Well, that's...
You talk about foundation.
That's where they found it.
That's where they found it.
In Australia under a landfill.
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So a graduate student, Amira Farzana-Samat, described this as a stepping stone in designing
practical biological ways to treat waste.
It's the highest degradation rate reported in the literature so far from the University
of Chemical Engineering area.
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Cool engineering.
And it might be a speed record for it, but it was discovered in a compost heap.
The other one is...
What you've got to admit, there's a lot of chemistry going on in a compost heap.
Now, this one kills me.
This one's amazing.
They discovered in a compost heap have been able to break down 90% of PET, which is short
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for polyethylene terithally.
So this is another one that's really common, but not quite as common as polypro in 16
hours.
Holy crap.
That's nice.
Plastic go away.
Well, you know, I mean, it came from raw material that already existed in the earth.
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Yeah.
It felt like we created something new.
Yeah, but cross-linking them and chaining them together just makes it harder to get
into it.
Yeah.
But there's things that eat oil.
Yes.
And basically what this is is chained together oil.
Yeah.
But eventually, nature will find a way.
Oh, yeah.
It's gotten...
Nature will break down everything eventually.
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Yes.
Yes.
Even uranium.
Even...
It kind of breaks down itself, too.
That's part of the...
There's that.
So I think this is really cool.
I partly wonder is, will we eventually have...
Microbe, shadidush?
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Microbes.
Microbes.
Microbes do eat us if we just die and we stop fighting them.
They take over.
Yeah.
But what if we could get some of the fungus in our system to eat the microplastics in
our body?
Yeah.
Geez.
Get one that won't kill us.
I mean, if you eat the microplastics...
If you pooped it out, you'd poop out a 12-pack of water bottles.
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Mmm.
We'd have a lot.
There's a bunch in us.
So these two are pretty good.
They're speed demons, right?
Oh, yeah, they are.
But there are 400 microorganisms that have been found to degrade plastic naturally.
And of course, the fungi attracting more attention because of their versatility and their ability
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to degrade all sorts of synthetic substrates.
With a powerful concoction of enzymes.
So that's a big powerful concoction.
Yeah, that's a great name.
I like that phrase.
So I see a lot of your recycling plants being turned into giant, warm vats.
You're horrible as they can do.
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Probably beaded plastic.
Probably crush it up, make it easier.
Oh, yeah.
Or surface area.
Get it in there.
Get it going.
Yep.
Now, there's some interesting one.
Now, they didn't name names here.
I don't think.
Recent studies suggest some fungi may even degrade some of the forever chemicals like
PFASs.
And it's slow, but not well understood.
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But they think they're doing it.
I think that's pretty cool.
They're working on it.
That's going to be something like a Teflon.
Stuff like that.
Yeah, hardy.
Hardy.
Yes, yes.
Now, there's a lot of different ways that they do this.
And unfortunately, we're dumping more plastics than degrading them.
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So I think we're still going to have a lot of them in landfills.
I guess maybe the fungus will grow in the landfills on its own until we start treating
them in the giant vats, right?
Yep.
But they think that the two fungi could decompose granules and thin films of Polypro, along
with aluminum coated Polypro sheets.
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I don't know why they just threw that out of nowhere.
When did we start aluminum coating?
And I don't know what's that from, but it's interesting.
There's something there though.
One thing they mentioned though is they do have to pretreat it with UV light, heat or
chemical reagent to weaken the waste material so the fungi can attack it.
Really?
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Well, I think it's why we're seeing the ocean waste be degraded and broken down in the
smaller and smarter particles, which they're not actually all that happy about because
now the animals are eating it because it's very small.
But you can't get exposed to more UV light than floating in the ocean.
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Well, yeah.
Sun and salt.
Uh-huh.
And water.
It'll destroy everything.
OK, so being landlocked, they have treated with UV light.
You don't have to treat it with UV light.
You could put up a very large area.
You just dump it and then scoop it up later after it bakes in the sun for a while.
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I don't know.
You set up high power UV lights over your conveyor belt as you conveyor over to be chopped up
in the little balls.
Like maybe.
Right, go.
I like using the sun.
The sun's there.
And you and you and you, you know, have UV light in the in the crush process and in
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the storage process.
And then you introduce the introduce the fungi and it goes to work, goes to town.
It grows.
It's happy.
We would definitely do it that way instead of using the sun.
Because you'd want it to be a regular industrial process.
Yeah, it's something that you can predict and right.
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Manufacture, right.
Right.
We could manufacture destruction and it can work 24 70.
You're not dependent upon the sun, be it up or clowns in the way.
Show enough.
Yeah, manufacturability, man.
We need to get this shit going.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, good point.
So they're still working the optimize the experimental.
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I just bought a diesel truck.
I'm going to be dumping a whole lot more plastic in the trash bags.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Emissions shit they did to the diesels.
Now, now I've got to add stuff to things that otherwise wouldn't have to.
Really?
Yeah.
And it's all encased in plastic.
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So you have to put additives in every tank?
Yeah.
That sucks.
Recommended.
Yeah.
So they, what they do, what, what they do apparently since 2006, they siphoned some
of the exhaust off and recirculate it back into your engine and all the, and they've
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also went to low sulfur sulfur.
Yeah.
Diesel.
So it's not as lubricating as it used to be.
Oh, okay.
So you've got to add stuff to add lubrication.
You got to add stuff to keep your injectors clean.
You got to add it.
Okay.
And it's all encased in little plastic bottles.
Why isn't that in the diesel fuel?
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Oh, because the EPA don't want it in the diesel fuel.
Yeah, they do because we just did it.
I don't get it.
That's weird.
Let's put the sulfur back in.
It worked just fine.
Yeah.
We don't want the S O X is in the air.
All.
That creates acid rain.
Creole.
Well, true enough.
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Yeah.
But boo his you got pores.
I've got another.
I've got another.
I've got more on that.
We'll talk about all fun.
Okay.
Yeah.
But I love the waist.
But I got more waste now.
A little plastic bottles.
But I love the truck.
Get a 55 year old drum of it.
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Yeah, but I'm supposed to put it in the tank before I fill the gas.
Oh, are you?
So it mixes as it pumps in.
It's good.
Yeah.
But you could just you could pour something from you could pump it from a large drum.
Let's just say a 20 gallon drum.
Pump it from a drum into a little bottle and dump the bottle in and then you could keep
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the bottle.
Recycle one reuse.
Reuse one container.
Yes.
Not a bad idea.
Kind of like I do the glasses.
I drink from a glass instead of a water bottle.
Disposable.
Yeah.
Mmm.
Anyway, no more high horse.
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All right.
So the working manufacturer building.
Yeah.
Actually, we have the UV light break it down.
So you heat it up on the conveyor belt.
You make it go through sun lamp type things.
You expose it to UV as it goes.
You crush it up.
You form it up.
You put it through tumbler.
You put it in a vat and then you let this stuff just go to town.
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The other thing we could do, but you got to add moisture, right?
Because fungi likes moisture.
Oh, sure.
Yeah.
So you got to add some moisture to it.
That's why you called it a vat.
I'm just now getting there.
Sorry about that.
Not a problem.
And this, this sounds like it's ready to go.
We already all of this technology.
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We already have.
You know, we're getting the same.
I think you've got the thing.
We've, I mean, we figured out big UV stuffs over COVID.
We got a half part figured out too.
We're good to go.
There's a second half.
You can start testing plastics that are more easily biodegraded by the fungi and start
making your shit out of that.
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You know, it changed the plastic you're making out of.
Yes.
But, but you use AI to figure it out first.
Come up with the formula, then you create it, make it out of that.
Exactly.
Exactly.
And then start producing.
Exactly.
But the question becomes, if it's easier for fungus to eat it, does that mean that it's
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easier to absorb in our bodies?
I don't know.
We'll find that out too, won't we?
Oh, yeah, we will.
Oh, it took us 50 years.
Not 20 years.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Actually, no.
It'd be 70 years now, wouldn't it?
Some plastics made in their mid early 50s?
Yeah, but not not as much for in just a minute.
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Yeah, that's true.
We didn't have all the water bottles and all that.
We didn't have quite as much plastic.
It was pretty much nylon or women weren't eating nylon.
We didn't have microwave ovens.
You know, we had we had Tupperware, Hunger Man or whatever that was an aluminum pan.
Right.
So covered with aluminum oil.
So you put it in the other foil or cardboard.
Yeah, it wasn't plastic.
Everything's plastic now.
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Yeah.
All your food's wrapped in it.
All your everything.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You eat it all.
I forgot.
What it wasn't.
So at least prevalent.
Right away.
Yeah.
And you know, it was coming up in the 80s, 90s was a real big boom, right?
For all that junk.
So I mean, not that long ago, but long enough.
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Yeah.
So we could still round to 50.
We'll probably get more of us, more plastic in us than Genghis Khan did being a part of
our DNA.
So he is, he is a large part of the world's DNA is kind of funny.
Yeah.
That's what?
Over a third.
I don't remember, but I remember it's a large number.
Yeah.
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Crazy.
All right.
Why don't we take a break and come back with a midpoint.
Let's do that.
Let's do that thing.
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Thanks.
Thank you.
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All right.
Well, I hadn't mentioned before.
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School has a drink drag.
So yeah, I did notice the wood flavor is still a prevalent, but then the paper does
go away in a drink drag.
Typical.
Yeah.
And I don't get that finish of whatever the weird candy is, but all right.
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Neither here or there.
It's a small, small price to pay for enjoying a libation and a $4 stick.
Yeah, $4 stick.
You might have to buy the $4 sticks if you buy $80 bottles.
Yeah, I'll say this though.
Pocketbook man pocketbook.
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I say this though.
Say you've got three cigars and your average cigar is $10.
That's a $30.
Let's say bottle, right?
Yeah.
If you start buying expensive cigars, you know, all I'm smoking the 1964 Padrona every
day, that's now a lot different.
Oh, yeah.
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Now that $80 bottle is like, you know, actually that $80 bottle is going to last you a lot
longer than eight sticks.
Well, not you and me, but.
Well, I mean, what?
Okay.
So this stick is what?
Five percent of the cost of that bottom?
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Right.
No, I would never be able to do 20 sticks on one bottle.
That would, it would, I would need to open another bottle.
Because I think there's one E six shots in the bottom.
Do we need to do this now?
We need to have a cigar to liquor cost ratio.
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I'll raise you.
I mean, we shouldn't, we like math, but we shouldn't burden our listeners with math.
We should not know.
I don't think we should do that.
Yeah, you're probably right.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I think they find maybe the science interesting, but I don't think they find statistics all
that interesting.
That barely counts as statistics.
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Really?
I didn't say trended.
All right.
What did you, what did you think?
Do you have some on the midpoint?
I haven't, I haven't had no transitions.
It tastes like a.
No, no.
I was trying to.
I did do the, I did do the drink draw and yeah, the cardboard goes away.
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But for the most part, everything's the same.
Wait, no.
No, no, wait a minute.
Wait a minute.
Wait a minute.
Wait a minute.
Wait a minute.
Wait a minute.
Wait, wait a minute.
Wait, wait a minute.
Is the liquor tasting any different to you with the cigar?
No, but I think it cuts down on the finish of the liquor.
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Oh, yeah, it does.
It doesn't change.
I forgot to mention that.
But it cuts down on how long that finishes.
It does.
It makes the finish shorter.
I forgot.
It's okay.
I got you.
No, we're all good though.
But as long as we mentioned the notes at some point, that's really all that matters, right?
Oh, the cigar stays out of the way of the liquor.
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Maybe the liquor takes away a couple of the finer points of the cigar, but I'm still happy.
Oh, absolutely.
Absolutely.
Set that set money ratio we're talking about.
No, we're not.
No, we're not.
We're not bill.
That's been vetoed.
Oh, you could talk about it.
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Might have won't be there in the final cut.
Yeah, and we're selectively editing.
And that's gone.
We should probably do that to bill anyway.
The term is cutting room floor.
And even though we don't have any actual cutting, I can cut and not paste.
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Yes, yes, yes, you can.
Yes, you can.
Maybe it should be called the pacing room for it.
Actually, it kind of still is a cutting room floor.
You still cut it out.
Yeah, you still cut it out.
It's still valid.
It's just it's just not a knife.
Virtual cutting room.
Right.
Right.
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All right.
So enough of that.
There we go.
Now I got to talk physics.
I wasn't going to bring it up anymore.
It does not escape me.
This is coming out the Monday after 4th of July.
So I hope everybody enjoyed the weekend.
Yeah, I hope you did.
Long weekend for me.
What about you?
Oh, yep.
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We actually get 4th of July off.
Nice.
We don't get a lot of the national holidays off, but we do get the 4th.
So yay.
Oh, yeah.
Won't be won't be doing anything Friday.
I mean, for real.
I'm going to do nothing.
No, no, no, no, no, I'm not going to do any work around the house.
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I don't have plans to improve anything, including myself.
I will probably I'm going to degrade myself a little bit.
Probably sit around and drink a smoke.
Yeah, it was most likely what I want to do.
You have plans?
Yeah, about like that.
Yeah.
About like that.
About like possibly at your house.
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Yes.
I was thinking as long as it wasn't raining a month, might jump in the pool time or two.
There you go.
Yeah.
You don't come over jumping the pool.
We could do some corn hole.
That doesn't sound bad.
Don't you don't think it'll be hot in July, do you?
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Was it hot today?
No, not rain though.
Oh my god.
It was brutal when it stopped raining.
We have had such a mild summer.
Don't get me wrong.
It's been rainy.
It's kind of coming.
Yeah, our rain got delayed.
We don't have to lose.
It does happen.
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The rain even if it rained, not going to raid out or drinking a smoking for the July.
Oh, absolutely not.
So I don't care rain.
Absolutely never cursed the rain in Texas.
You take all you can get.
Yeah, never argue with it.
That's for sure.
Yeah.
But you know, you don't have to water your yard as much.
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My tomatoes are happy.
Tomato's happy.
Basil's happy.
Actually, the basil's not so happy.
The tomatoes are shadowing it bad.
I maybe come back to tomatoes.
Tomatoes went crazy.
A lot of water.
I think tomatoes like water.
Yeah.
Yeah.
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They're made up of a larger portion of water than we are, I think.
So happy fourth, everyone.
Hope you enjoyed your weekend.
Yes.
Hope you didn't lose any fingers, toes, eyes.
All right.
You ready to rate these things?
Are we there already?
I feel like we are.
I've got nothing more to add.
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That's a half a show.
Oh, it's fine.
Nobody's timing us.
Cool.
Okay.
Star showing do what we want.
You're here.
Okay.
What have we got?
I need to get this thing back open.
Okay.
Ah.
So how many Drews have we done on the show?
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Yeah, that is something we were talking about before the show.
This is just the second Drew this year.
After all the crazy mess.
Crazy talking about Drew.
This is just the second one.
You know, that was part of the reason I brought it in is because, well, I like it and I had
a bundle of them.
Yeah.
Because you don't buy one of these.
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You buy a bundle.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Got a monster buys one.
All right.
Oh, oh, okay.
You know what?
Dang.
This may surprise you.
Oh, boy.
Oh, boy.
This is nuts.
This is oh, man.
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I've got four.
I'm trying to cycle between and it.
You know how we put them in the pools, you know?
Yeah.
This is a tough.
Oh, boy.
Dang.
Ah.
Now, okay.
Okay.
Well, you got a list of bourbon to the weird spot.
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I'll be able to do it.
He's in a weird spot.
That's a weird spot.
That's a funny way.
All right.
Let's see where you put this.
Our Drew Estate Factory Smokes Sun Grown is in the number 23 spot.
Man, that was right between the partes Cifwentes at 22 and best thing, the Parroti King at 24.
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It was a difficult choice.
It really was.
And I couldn't decide whether it deserved to be higher in the chain because, you know,
there are some that it's really, really close to, but not as full of flavor as those
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that are close to it.
So that's why I kind of wound up where it was.
I had that same issue.
Yeah.
And yeah.
So there we go.
Okay.
So the James E. Pepper to canter, barrel proof straight bourbon whiskey.
Darryl placed in the number 13 slot just below the wild turkey one on one and just above
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the whiskey riot 2025 infinity.
Yeah.
So it's a weird infinity bottle.
So nobody can really compare that.
But I don't know if people realize how good a bottle wild turkey is.
That wild turkey one on one is such a great bottle.
It is.
And so I will know just below the infinity bottle are my benchmarks.
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Yeah.
So Mark eight benchmark full.
I was I was battling all those.
I wasn't sure where.
Yeah, no, I'm.
It's close because I love that benchmark eight and I love that benchmark full proof.
Yep.
So I thought, it is it's pretty good.
You know, it's pretty good.
Okay.
Good bottle.
(30:04):
The benchmark full proof 125.
This this pepper is.
Yeah, one of 70.
I mean, sorry, one of seven, $80.
One of seven.
But the this pepper comes off sharper.
It does.
It does.
It's not.
And that's why I was battling the three.
(30:27):
Yeah.
It's because for the proof, both the eight and the full proof benchmarks come off a bit
smoother, less hot.
Yep.
Yep.
Then this.
Yep.
And I'm a proof for, but I don't I don't like it just to be sharp for no reason.
Absolutely.
(30:48):
Yeah.
So I still gave it the benefit of the doubt.
It's got some nice flavors.
And so I put it just above the benchmarks.
But it was it was it was close and telling you.
So it ran out to top five in the liquor where the Russell was observed single barrel number
five number four Garrison Brothers single barrel.
Number three, the Balconis on his number two, the 1845 preemption reverence cast.
(31:11):
And number one, the Remus of volume eight.
All right.
And since I forgot to do the top five four cigars, we have the legal provider 10 years
savage feast limited run at number five, the AJ Man of War, or Mada at number four,
(31:32):
the adventura blue eyed Jackson, man.
Number three, the better, Tomo 20th anniversary Maduro at number two and the man of War
Pure authentic.
Oh, Maduro at number one.
Hard to believe.
Yeah.
All right, man.
Good.
Good run.
Good.
(31:53):
Good.
Yeah.
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(32:14):
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