Can you trust the new report of Huawei's battery? Is Huawei's new solid-state battery patent a red herring or does is have the goods?
They smoke the Greycliff G2 Habano and sip EH Taylor small batch bottle and bond.
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Ah, welcome to our newest episode.
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Here we are.
In this episode, we will have the Great Cliff G2 Habano, and with it, EH Taylor's Small
Batch Bottle of Mines.
That's not good about this.
You're hanging out with Bill and Darryl with cigars, liquor, and more.
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Alright, the Great Cliff G2 Habano is a 6x60 big boy.
As an Ecuadorian Habano rapper, Nicaraguan binder, and Dominican Republic and Nicaraguan
fillers.
MSRP is $4.
What?
Another $4.
I think all the Great Cliff line is about $4.
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Yeah, yeah they are.
And this is the third one that we've, oh sorry go ahead.
Oh yeah, this is the third one we've had.
Yep, the other two I think were last year though.
Are they this year?
I think they were older.
One is this year.
So the EH Taylor's Small Batch Bottle and Bond, obviously, bottled and 100 proof.
Obviously.
The MSRP is $53.
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And we actually get it for $53 now.
I got word from our local specs that the reason it is now available and Bill picked up
three bottles and I picked up a bottle.
I picked up four.
He'll pick up four bottles and I picked up a bottle.
Is because we are no longer allocated in Texas.
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Yeah, nice.
I don't know if that's around the country, but it sure seems to be that way.
From what I understand is that way here.
And yeah, you told me about a specs close to you.
We learned about specs in Irving and another spec somewhere else.
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And I looked at Joy and said, we got to try the one close to us.
Right.
Which is in LeVon.
So we went there and yeah.
Now at yours it was limit two.
It was.
No limit three for customer.
It was limit two when I got there.
Yeah, ours was limit two.
And one of the guys there who knows me or yeah knows me his name is Ethan.
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He's a really good guy.
He sees me with four in my buggy.
And he's like, I hate to tell you it's limit two per customer.
I said, yes, two for this customer.
And then two for this customer.
Joy comes around the quarter.
Did you have to bring it up twice?
Do you have to do two?
Yeah, we did two separate transactions right there.
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Yeah.
And I've done that before.
And Joy is like, you know, just to maintain, let's let's bag them separately.
So cheers to that.
We are no longer allocated for Taylor.
Now they did do the limit for now because otherwise people buy cases and then nobody
else could get it.
Yes.
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And we don't need that.
But you know, in the future, once everybody's cabinet is saturated and we've reached a saturation
point then it'd probably just be on the shelf.
Lovely, lovely.
This is I do like this.
A good bottle.
I do like this.
This one.
The small batch is just so good.
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Bottle and bond.
I am huge fan of bottle and that as well.
So the nose even has a hundred proof.
This is pretty nice.
Now at 53, this is a bit more expensive than most bottle and bonds.
Depending on the bottom.
I mean, you know, Evan Williams, bottle and bond is 14.
Yeah.
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I mean, you've got bottle and bonds from, you know, sub 20 to mid 30s.
Sure.
There aren't that many bottle and bonds that are above 40.
Right.
And you know, not that long ago, the MSRP on this was 47.
And when they got the allocations, I could sometimes buy them for 47.
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If you were going to be like, Hey, would you rather get one occasionally at 47 or have
it on the shelf at 53?
I'd be like, put it on the shelf.
Yeah.
I'm I'm going to pay the other six bucks.
Yeah.
For it to just be readily available all the time.
I'm never have to pay a hundred for it every once in a while.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm not paying 90 to 110.
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Yeah.
Because it's while I really enjoy it, it's not that price point to me.
No, same, but it's very much a 53.
Oh, absolutely.
Absolutely.
And like I said, one of one of my favorite bottle and bonds mine to mine to has such
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a mild nose actually.
It's I really like it.
It's got a sweet nose.
I think a lot of people are familiar with the H Taylor.
I don't think I've described it that much.
True now.
Mm.
This day, Steve.
I really like that it has a long finish and it you can feel it, mild out the entire way.
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And then you just it just it just stays there.
Even when it's completely finished, you're like, does it?
There's a little bit more.
It persists.
It persists.
Very nice.
Now I wouldn't say it's dry, but it's not super sweet.
It's nice middle of the road.
It's got sweet aspects.
It's got dry aspects.
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It's so nice right in the middle.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
On the I think the dryness is is very specific on this one.
Right.
The dryness is almost for me, at least is almost exclusively on the back end.
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I don't get it right up front.
I don't get it all over the mouth.
I get it on the back end.
Okay.
So from yes, it's on the dry.
You know, it does have a dry aspect to it.
But for me, it's only on the back, which I think is pretty awesome.
Yeah.
It's also like, yeah, it does because it comes up front with a caramel.
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Very much so.
And then that sweet is what gives way to the dry.
When the caramel goes away, then you get the dry finish.
Is warthers caramel?
Your thing of butter scotch.
Butter scotch.
That's butter scotch.
Okay.
Okay.
This is not butter scotch.
There is halfway through a little anise.
And then, but it disappears really quick.
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Thankfully, despite the fact that I'm not a fan of anise, I like it in small amounts.
And I think Taylor's is one is definitely one of my favorite.
I really do like Taylor a lot.
This one's going to be hard to place in the ranking.
Yeah, it is.
This time I'm making it difficult for me.
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Does that feel better for you?
I like, yes, I enjoy hearing that.
I definitely enjoy hearing.
What I'm well, I first off, I'm curious as to where it's going to go in the ranking.
Yeah, I'm saying my.
And I kind of knowing what the top five is.
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I think it fits pretty well.
That's on you to decide.
That's up to you.
You're doing that ranking.
Yeah.
But I mean, we both love this bottle.
And of course, we love just about everything that's on that list.
Yeah.
Yeah.
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Yeah.
It is kind of weird not having all of the liquors together.
Right.
Because the rums are separate.
Right.
And yeah, we did them on the show.
So it's just, it's a little off not having them all together.
But like we talked about originally, you just can't write rums with whiskies.
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It's just, you just can't do it.
So here's the other problem.
I have Konyax and Brandi's I'd like to bring in.
We can't make a third category and they absolutely also do not fit with either of the
others.
True.
So yeah.
I think that's the toughness in rating the liquors.
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And it will be so now it'll be a whole year before we have, you know, Brandi's or Konyax.
Well, you could still do it and see where it falls.
Or I tell you one compare well, I tell you what on your porch, have a cigar, have a cognac
and think about where my phone and risky.
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And then look at your list after you're done.
Look at your list and see where it might fall and see if it ranks enough.
I could do that to be considered.
Well, you know what I know what's I know what would happen.
It's going to fall into the barrel finish areas.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's obvious.
That's kind of a no brainer.
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Right.
Okay.
Never mind.
So the G2, we have let it settle in.
So I did look nice.
I did look and the yellow bandagee to we did on the last year.
Okay.
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And the black label.
Yeah, the black label was was this year.
Okay.
What is it?
The yeah, the G2 Maduro.
Okay.
We did we did this year.
Okay.
The other one was remember now, was that a Connecticut?
Yeah, I believe so.
I think it is.
Yeah, because that one is sun growing.
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Yeah, I think it's connected.
So that rapper we did in 2024.
So it's not in this ranking.
All right.
Well, let's let's think about the Habano and do you want to start with the Habano?
You know, it's when you think Habano, you think, and especially with this, you know,
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Nicaraguan binder and filler, you're thinking this thing's going to be spicy is all hell,
but it's not so very much not.
I would say it's not even a medium as far as body.
It's between a medium and a mile.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
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Are there some spices in it?
Yeah, they are very, very, very muted.
It's it's surprising just how not Nicaraguan.
This comes off.
Yeah, I would agree.
I think maybe the Nicaraguan filler is dwarfed by the Dominican Republic filler because it
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is is pretty mild and well, there is D.R. in there.
For me, the primary flavor of this is paper and then baking spices.
This is a baking spice cigar for me.
I fully agree with the baking spices because they are just so mild from what you would
expect.
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This is a misagard.
This is a use cigar.
So how much of it is it a use cigar?
I still enjoy the cigar.
I like the yellow band better.
That you're yeah.
I really enjoyed that yellow band.
I like this one.
I'm just a little I was expecting more.
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Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, a little more, you know, a little more bold than almost medium.
You know, you know what I mean?
Yes, I do.
Absolutely.
But I'm not saying anything bad about it because I still like this category of cigar.
Have a retro hill.
It's got a really mild retro hill.
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I really like the retro hill really brings out baking spices.
Holy crap, it does.
Really nice.
You don't most think Henderson was the blender for this.
I might have guessed it.
This, this so reminds me of a Henderson cigar.
It does.
That's crazy.
I hadn't put that together with the G2s yet, but yeah, they they come across like that.
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Well, here I was.
Especially this one.
Yes, especially this one.
Yeah.
No, but a four dollar stick.
It's got really nice construction, nice smooth wrapper.
It is a bit of a firm draw for me.
How's your draw?
Oh, is it?
Mine's not at all.
Oh, OK.
Mine is a little bit.
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And I honestly, I could do without the gray background on the bands, but you have to do
something, right?
You had to do something different because you already got black and yellow as primary
colors and other cigars.
Yeah.
And they brought the they brought the black and yellow into this band with a gray background.
So, you know, it does work.
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It's just I'm not a not a colored guy, you know, it's not my forte.
Yeah.
There's something about the mix of the nice pretty brown of the wrapper and the gray of
the band that just doesn't pop out at me.
But think about it this way.
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Think about the red label.
I'm red.
Why'd I say red?
Sorry.
Think about the yellow label.
Think about the black label.
And now you put this gray in there.
Doesn't this gray say?
Oh, it does kind of mild.
It does kind of mean right in between, doesn't it?
I am.
Yes.
The gray says I'm mild.
I feel like they nailed the color on this one.
OK.
Because it is definitely more mildly.
The other two are sharper.
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I hadn't thought about that.
Both of them are sharper contrast with the black and yellow.
This one is much more muted.
And I think this one says in its band, I'm milder.
All right.
You talk me into it.
I'm all I'm all convinced now.
It is just how surprising how much I thought there would be more spice in it.
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You know, more bold spice, right?
And more bold flavor overall than what it really was.
What it really is.
Make a huge difference.
So it it does it does surprise in that regard.
But still pleasant surprise.
I still I still like it.
I still enjoy it.
Still going to smoke it.
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Very nice.
And at $4, how picky should you be?
You probably shouldn't be too picky.
There you go.
Take my own advice.
Mm.
All right.
We have all that covered.
All right.
So I kind of jumped ahead a little bit.
My head.
Okay.
Jumped ahead in my head.
Anyway.
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And you had the article that we have today.
If this was not Chinese, I might be really, really, really excited about this.
Right.
But yeah, I have a hard time trusting them.
Yeah, this.
This seems sci-fi here and I'm not buying it.
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Right.
I want an independent analysis.
So a lot of people are working on solid state batteries.
It's a real important thing.
Now, I will say this.
And is the next leap in energy storage?
Absolutely.
And if you can get it to do the best of both worlds, you're in a good place.
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Yeah.
Fast charge, slow drain, still high power.
Right.
Boom.
So Huawei has patented a five minute charge.
Five minutes.
Five minutes.
Yeah.
And what's that range?
3000 kilometer solid state battery.
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So this is from so car news China.
So Huawei stepped up its ambitions and advanced energy storage with a patent for a sulfide
based solid state battery that offers driving ranges up to 3000 kilometers.
That depends on the weight of the vehicle, please.
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And ultra fast charging in just five minutes.
The development signals a significant push by the tech giant to stake a claim in the
fast evolving solid state battery landscape.
So firstly, just like you said, I have a really hard time trusting anything the Chinese put
out they lie about everything.
So it's really hard.
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Plus 3000 kilometer doesn't mean anything to me.
Put it in terms that are real like Watts.
Something put it in an energy storage unit, not a distance.
These don't go distances.
Batteries have cool homes.
You have your wish.
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Well, okay.
So the patent outline solid state battery architecture with energy gents.
These between 400 and 500 watt hours per kilogram.
So that's and it does say it's two to three times that of conventional lithium ion batteries.
But that's the part I don't believe.
No.
So why didn't they make?
Why did they publish 3000 kilometers when they could put out the 400 to 500.
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Right.
So because because that 3000 kilometers was in a car that weighed 20 pounds.
Yeah.
Well, if you look at the picture, whatever the whatever the weight of the battery is.
Yeah, that's what that is.
So if you look at the picture, it is a frame with four wheels lined with batteries.
Yeah.
It literally doesn't have anything else on it.
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It is a frame with batteries and four wheels.
And it was probably remote control.
Right.
So that you didn't have a human sitting in it.
And in fact, it was probably on one of the machines where it's stationary and just.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
But that's that's also not the point.
Let's say it does have two to three times that of the conventional lithium ions and charges
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in five minutes.
Okay.
It could be a real guy.
It could be a real game changer.
It could be a real game changer.
Right.
And for the same weight battery, right?
Between lithium ion, conventional lithium ion in this battery, you're telling me that
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for the same weight, lithium ion will do 1500 1000 to 1500 kilometers.
I'm not buying it.
Yeah.
It doesn't pass the sniff test.
Right.
So the other thing is it's a patent and we know how little the Chinese care about patents.
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Yeah.
I have a feeling this is just to ignite a race and ignite an inflame.
I don't think it's probably real.
That being said, this is propaganda.
That being said, no one in the industry contends that the Chinese aren't ahead in EV technology.
Oh, true.
Everybody says it.
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True.
And the primary reason why they are is because they don't have to go through all the regulatory
crap that we do.
Right.
Not only, not only for their manufacturing of anything, let alone, let alone batteries,
but also in the technology that they put into their vehicles.
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Right.
They don't have the regulatory standards that we do.
Yeah.
Are there how many of their cars would be street legal here?
None of them.
These things will be in South America and Africa before they'll be here.
And don't forget China.
They're all over China.
They're already all over China.
I'm not.
Are they're going to be all over China?
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I'm not.
I want to see it in Europe.
Except some I'll start believing.
Yeah.
Russia accepts them.
Then I'll start believing.
Well, yeah, I mean, I don't even know about that.
Russia will Russia will do it before Europe.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I don't know that that's better.
So the filing details, a novel approach to improving electrochemical stability.
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Red herring is my guess.
Hoping sulfide electrodes with nitrogen to address side reactions at the lithium interface
along standing obstacle to the commercialization of sulfide based batteries.
My guess is they just want other people to put in research hours to slow them down to investigate
this to see if it works and they'll find out it doesn't.
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They probably do something different.
And then, you know, those people will do something to become closer to that goal that
we are now and then China will just steal that.
So that's another point.
They did this to create a sector that they can steal from.
There you go.
I think that would be actually very, very fair to steal their technology.
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If they put something out, it was better than other people's.
It would be more than fair.
They've been going on about how patents are garbage for a long time.
They refuse to recognize any of ours.
So you don't recognize anybody's?
Well, yeah.
But we have the most patents because we have the patent company.
Yeah.
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So earlier in 2025, the company filed a separate patent on the synthesis of sulfide electrolytes,
the key material known for its high conductivity, but also high cost.
So we're succeeding the price of gold.
So, but at the same time an ounce of that will go a lot longer than an ounce of gold
would.
Yeah.
Yeah.
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Is this something we should be concerned about?
Maybe.
But the, I think the bigger thing you should be concerned about is how much farther ahead
they are in EV technology.
I'm less concerned about that.
I am much more concerned about how far ahead they are in market share of the materials
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it takes to do this.
Well, sure.
So that's something that we see.
Well, how long have we been talking about rare earth?
Yeah.
I'm much more concerned about that than EV in and of itself.
Agreed.
And I love the idea of a five minute charge.
You could do that at a gas station and you know, and both your batteries done charging
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from a complete drain.
Yeah.
By the time you went in and picked up a coffee or something, right?
Yeah.
But the cabling would be about as thick as the current gas pump hoses.
Or as thick as the damn car.
To charge that level of energy in five minutes?
Yeah.
You better have some thick copper.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's a power line that coming down, you know.
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And then you insulate it and pipe it down.
I mean, yeah, no, it's just for so many reasons this just doesn't pass the stuff.
Yeah.
But if you use it like you're like you were looting to if you use it as a thought exercise
on what would this how would this revolutionize mankind?
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Mm hmm.
And it could.
And as a solid state battery, you could I mean, you could put this on the moon.
You could put this on Mars.
You have to radiation shield it, of course, but much more doable than lithium ion, right?
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Or any other battery technology we we, you know, really do.
So the space race, if you call it a race these days, but you know, advancements in space
would go by leaps and bounds.
Yeah.
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Just but at least the space application, they're totally fine with slow charge.
They're fine with until you get humans out there.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's true.
Right.
If you build a base and you have humans on residing on Mars and the moon.
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And you have a way of generating electricity is not solar.
But even still, if it's solar, if this can do a five minute charge here on earth with
the push of electricity that we have, then that means the what radiation, what solar
radiation he gets is instantaneous into the battery.
Sure.
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Whereas it's not instantaneous into the current technology we use.
So it's still probably more than a bit.
And and.
Wow, that yeah, that's something else.
You the less loss of energy.
Absolutely.
So, I mean, when you're looking at earthbound stuff or hell, even sub suburbs stuff.
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And the other, I mean, what would this do for submarines?
Yeah.
You know, what would this do for naval naval transportation or green transportation?
If it's lighter.
I was just so many things that could just convert and be done.
It's just amazing.
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Yeah, you keep a diesel generator in order to be able to charge batteries.
On a on a nuclear sub on a surface commercial surface ship, right?
But the implications are staggering.
Even with just in a process, indeed.
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Indeed.
All right.
Do we want to make an old fashioned from this?
No, no.
All right, we won't, but we will be right back with the midpoint.
Absolutely.
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CLN.
So I tell you what, even though this cigar is milder than I anticipated and even the
ritual hail is pleasant.
So pleasant.
And feel like it could run.
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I think it might do pretty well.
Nice.
The beauty part is it's four bucks and it's a stick that I like.
Yeah.
But we're not supposed to be factoring in costs just later.
No, no, no, I'm not talking about the ranking.
I'm just talking about every day smoke easy to buy a case of these babies.
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Absolutely.
I could go out in the field.
I could go to the range.
I could be at the beach and some happens you could drop it and not feel bad.
Not care.
Yeah.
I might care a little, but you know, as much as you know, an ace of car herds.
Yeah.
But you know, not like I was smoking a, you know, 20 hours ago.
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You're like, no, yeah, yeah.
I will stand in the doorway as this hurricane comes just to finish my cigar.
You know, paid for that.
That's right.
But a $4 stick.
Okay.
I can throw that away to get indoors for a hurricane, right?
You have to be a hurricane.
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I like the stick.
But what any transitions for you?
No, but I will say I like it with the drink drop.
The drink drop is nice.
It just kind of pops everything up.
Literally everything.
The whole cigar pops up with this drink.
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Now, here's the problem.
I don't think the cigar adds anything to the tailor.
So I don't think it's a primo pairing.
Uh, yeah.
Unfortunately, I would agree because that would have been nice.
We haven't had one in a while.
No.
I don't think we've had one this year, haven't we?
Or did we have one?
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I don't know.
We'll look it up when we've been ranking.
We might have one, but we were running like 10% for a few years.
And now we're not running 10%.
No, we've got more experience now.
Yeah, that might be part of it.
More discerning.
I don't think that's it.
I think we found a lot of them.
We'd, yeah, yeah, we did.
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We've been around a while now.
We really have.
It's been this is four thirty five.
It's been a fun journey.
Yeah.
And it's it's helped me grow as a cigar smoker.
That's for sure.
And we'll send that and a spirit drinker, right?
Because I wasn't too keen on rise.
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Mm hmm.
And I wasn't.
Mom's still not mostly keen on scotches, but there are some
scotches that I did.
I really enjoy.
Yes.
Right.
And and I found some conniax you like.
Oh, one or two.
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And you know, I was primarily a rum drinker.
Yeah.
And now I'm primarily a whiskey and bourbon drinker.
Hey, you go back 10 years.
I was primarily a vodka drinker.
Yeah, which I think is worse.
I'm entirely possible.
At least the rum has flavor.
I mean, come on.
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You know, the vodka, they distill to oblivion.
It's true, which is your quote.
It's true.
But that's not to say different vodkas don't taste different.
They do.
They just largely taste the same.
Much more so than rum or whiskey or bourbon or scotch or rye or.
I would say the subtleties and Kentucky straight bourbon
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whiskies are the subtleties and the differences in vodkas.
Especially the base Kentucky.
Yeah.
The Kentucky Burbins, I think, have a little bit more play to them.
But the Kentucky.
Just a little.
But the Kentucky whiskies definitely are the base flavors,
really quite the same.
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Quite.
They're they're they're.
They have had such a long and storied run of being on top of the spirit
game in the US.
Yeah, they do.
But you got Texas just like the craft beer segment.
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You got Texas ones that are taken over the craft whiskey segment
has really put up a fierce competition to Kentucky Burbins
into Kentucky.
Whiskies and I say Kentucky, but I'm also lumping in Tennessee.
And I don't know, Maine.
MGP.
Oh, no.
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No, MGP definitely different tastes different than Kentucky.
Yeah.
But a lot of the MGP products have this have a lot of the same base
flavors.
Well, sure.
And you're lumping it in because MGP
supplies so many people that it feels like there's a bunch of different ones
that all tastes the same.
And the reason is they all came from the same thing.
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So I'm going to exclude that because it doesn't
taste like Kentucky and Tennessee has its own flavor to it is more similar to Kentucky
than MGP or Texas or Oregon or California.
When you want to talk about the wild west of flavors and whiskey and bourbon,
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you're talking Texas.
You really are.
The variety.
There is just so much of a difference.
North to South Texas distillers.
They were called it the Terro Law.
Oh, absolutely.
And you're the one that states this.
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And a lot of it comes down to how much
such a change cycle.
Oh, my God.
And such a variety of heat called cycles in Texas.
Mm-hmm.
Mostly heat.
But there are some like the plateaus that grow wine in West Texas.
Mm-hmm.
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It's a lot of variety.
The hill country, definitely different than I don't know.
Brown's oil.
Brown's oil.
Brown's oil, sorry.
Or the Houston area, right?
Or Austin or San Antonio or the other.
Very much different.
Yeah.
We've got.
Yeah, you're going to hate me for saying this.
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You can almost equate in marketing.
You can almost equate Texas to Cubans,
Texas West Keys to Cuban cigars, right?
Because Cuba, toutled.
This region has this.
This region has this.
This region has this.
As you work your way from West coast to East coast of Cuba,
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they do all this.
New combined.
We got all that different.
But when you, yeah, when you, yeah.
Yeah.
But Texas whiskey is like that in reality.
As you go north, south, east, and west, you get such.
Well, it's also so big.
Yes, we are.
It's just so big.
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You know, I think the other thing is almost all your big
producers and Kentucky has gotten big for all column stills.
But all your little producers, they almost all have to start
or choose to start with pots.
Yep.
And I prefer pots still for sure.
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Yeah.
And there have been more than a few that you have said,
this has got to be a pot still.
Do you look it up and it is?
Oh, it's really obvious.
Or we do a tour and it is.
Yeah.
So yeah, absolutely.
All right.
Do we?
Where are we at?
We did a break already.
Let's see if we wrap up the article.
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Let's see if there's anything good left in the article.
China's EV tech sectors are aggressively exploring
solid state battery technology.
So here's some names.
So there's always something good to look up.
So we got some established battery suppliers such as K.
K.
Cattle?
Yeah.
It's probably cattle, but it's CATL and BYD.
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I think people are familiar with Xiaomi, which is a phone
producer, but does other things.
And Neo, they depend on third party battery manufacturers,
but I think they are putting their toes in the water too.
They're all seeking ways to integrate vertically and regain
control of the high cost component of the EV, which
is usually half the cost is the battery.
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Absolutely.
So there have been recent reports that Xiaomi filed patents
for composite electrode structures.
So we know they're doing research in the batteries.
This also highlights that tech firms are working on battery
innovation and vehicles and mobile electronics.
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Now, OK, I'm going to I'm going to pause you there for a moment.
Give some bill thoughts on this.
So China, China has been making the move to try to go from a
manufacturing powerhouse.
To an IP powerhouse.
Yes.
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Right.
That's exactly it.
They weren't created in China, not made in China.
Yes.
And they don't they don't necessarily for the for the IP
itself, they don't necessarily care if it actually works as
long as they can file the patent on it.
Then they right then they do two things.
One, if you want to do it, you have to pay them.
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Right.
Two, if you don't want to do it, then they might hold you off
long enough until they can figure it out.
Right.
So I I think these are and this article in particular is more
strategy than it necessarily is an actual technological improvement.
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I agree.
Plus again, I'm going to so this next paragraph will address that and the sniff test.
Globally, international leaders like Toyota, Panasonic, Samsung have invested in
solid state battery R and D for over a decade.
Toyota, for instance, unveiled a prototype in 2023 claiming a 1200
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kilometer range and 10 minute charge time.
Targeting commercialization within five years.
However, China is rapidly caught up or have they, right?
Right.
I don't know if I believe them.
Yeah.
Toyota is firstly amazing with the research and their lean manufacturing.
Oh, yeah.
I find it hard to believe if they have been pushing that somebody just
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magically caught up with them.
I do not believe that until I see it.
Chinese entities now filed over 7,600 solid state battery patents annually
representing 36% of the global activity, which I think not only goes to the sniff test,
which come on really and your other comment.
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They're just doing it as a prevention.
Yep.
But here's the thing.
I think we should all honestly absolutely ignore any patent they file.
They do not care at all about anyone else's patents.
Nope.
We should absolutely not respect theirs.
No, in the slightest.
Yep.
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Chinese battery manufacturers are preparing for industrialization.
CATL claims to begin pilot production of a hybrid solid state by 2027, which again,
two years out.
Toyota was saying five years out from 23.
They're really going to be that much faster.
I just don't believe it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No.
So they're talking about featuring a 350 watt hour per kilogram energy density and a 800 watt
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hour per liter volume density.
And they're saying that is entered small scale production.
At the same time, Beijing, we lie on has begun manufacturing a 50 ampere hour all
solid state battery with national certification.
Again, show me.
I grew up in Missouri.
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Show me.
So yeah, I didn't grow up in Missouri, but I grew up perps in the pudding.
Hand me the pudding.
Yeah.
And it's just it would be amazing.
We should not respect their patents.
And I don't believe it.
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If I could sum up.
So I would like you to get to the second to last paragraph, second to last paragraph on this page.
OK.
Because this I'm happy to see this.
I'm surprised to see this in this article.
OK.
So read this first and then let's talk about solid state electronics generally have lower
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ionic conductivity than their liquid counterparts.
The interfacial resistance continues to limit efficiency.
High production costs currently between 8,000 and 10,000 one per kilowatt hour,
approximately 1100 to $1,400 US hinder mass market adoption.
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That's a lot.
It's a lot.
And so you're you're trying to tell me that you have overcome
in I'm guessing a laboratory condition, but you have overcome the problems
of over a decade in this short amount of time.
And I'm glad that they put this in the article.
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Don't get me wrong.
I'm kind of surprised they did.
But this here defines the challenge of solid state batteries.
Can they actually do it?
Who really knows?
It'd be great if they did.
Because they would have found something and we should reverse engineer them and
steal them.
Yes.
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Yes.
Because they have stolen everything else for I don't even know how long I can't even
put a year on it forever.
19.
So if if 1968, if it's considered punching down when we, you know,
punish them for violating pens and they achieved greatness, then it should be
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considered punching down when we steal their stuff because I am so tired of them
taking everything and then undercutting us and ruined.
Firstly, we shouldn't tolerate it.
I don't even know why we do.
That's on us for tolerating it.
We should just put them on band list, but we want so much other cheap things from them
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that we don't.
But it's as a thought exercise.
I love it.
I'd like to know what actual
practicality from China.
I don't believe it.
I think it's a lot of cover.
That's a major problem is to believe anything from China.
Yeah.
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And trying to spurn the world into
doing research and development.
And more broadly
in areas that they just want to steal the IP from.
Yep.
I could be wrong.
I'm not saying that's what's actually going on, but I will argue the point with anybody.
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All right.
Let's rate these things and find out where we stand.
Man. Oh, man.
So it's kind of this particular break lift does fall in.
It's a brother, sweet little spots.
It's got to figure out which pool it's just.
Yeah.
All right.
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Yeah, that's.
That's where I'm going.
Oh, OK.
All right.
Oh, I'll say where he went.
All right.
Great.
Cliff.
It's good.
Habano.
All right.
Well, Bill put the great cliff to Habano and the number 23 spot, which again falls
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just below the Burtegas, Safwentes and just above the Drewest eight factory
smoked sun ground, which we just had last week, which we just had less.
The so it's OK, you scroll up the list.
And I am.
That's what I'm doing right now.
And you look and there are.
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Maybe two spots, two other spots higher up on the list where this would
where it would fit.
But it's not of that caliber.
That's why that's why I wound up where it was because it just it didn't have.
Other qualities that that.
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That fit.
I mean, really where it belongs is closer to more adventurer.
Yes.
But there are other qualities in the average as I was going through the list.
I was looking at them and thinking about those sticks there.
There are other qualities that the average era has that provides more depth
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than what this has.
Yep.
So that's that's why in the end it wound up in that spot.
I would have put it higher, but I'm not writing it.
So for Bill, the number five to one is League of Provada 10 years,
Savage Feast number five, AJ, Manowara model holding in at number four.
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The adventure of Blue Eyed Jacks revenge number three,
taking the bronze cup.
Perdovo, 20th anniversary, Maduro, which is silver.
And Manowara, Piero, authentic or Maduro, gold cup for the year.
He's taking the gold, girly.
All right.
As far as the liquor goes for the each Taylor, small batch bottle and I
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was tight.
New breaking the number five at number five is this
each Taylor, small batch bottle and bonds just edging out the Russell's reserve.
Yeah.
I mean, yeah.
Oh, it was tight.
Garrison brother single barrow number four and Russell's reserve single barrow at
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number five.
So you got.
Oh, it's tight.
Now that's just to go out.
The single barrels.
They've been together since they made it on all this.
That's true.
I've I've busted them up and you have now you've now put a small batch in between
them.
Oh, what's going to happen next?
Anybody.
Yes.
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So here we are.
And I cannot argue in any way, shape or form about where you put this on the list.
I was close to put over the garrison, but yeah, the garrison is really good.
Yeah.
I love the peach flavor of the lineage.
That that is that is that is the garrison in this are are really tight.
So yeah.
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No, I'm I'm right there with you.
And it doesn't it doesn't deserve to be anywhere else lower on the list.
So bought a boom.
Yeah.
All right.
So to cover the five to one, as Darryl said, he has Taylor's small batch bottle of
long garrison brother single barrel, about Conan's lineage, 1845 pre-entry
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reverence, cash and Rima's law.
You ate at number one.
As you said, aching the gold.
Nice.
Sweet.
After a month.
Oh, yeah.
Ah, welcome to our newest episode.
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Here we are.
In this episode, we will have the Great Cliff G2 Habano, and with it, EH Taylor's Small
Batch Bottle of Mines.
That's not good about this.
You're hanging out with Bill and Darryl with cigars, liquor, and more.
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Alright, the Great Cliff G2 Habano is a 6x60 big boy.
As an Ecuadorian Habano rapper, Nicaraguan binder, and Dominican Republic and Nicaraguan
fillers.
MSRP is $4.
What?
Another $4.
I think all the Great Cliff line is about $4.
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Yeah, yeah they are.
And this is the third one that we've, oh sorry go ahead.
Oh yeah, this is the third one we've had.
Yep, the other two I think were last year though.
Are they this year?
I think they were older.
One is this year.
So the EH Taylor's Small Batch Bottle and Bond, obviously, bottled and 100 proof.
Obviously.
The MSRP is $53.
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And we actually get it for $53 now.
I got word from our local specs that the reason it is now available and Bill picked up
three bottles and I picked up a bottle.
I picked up four.
He'll pick up four bottles and I picked up a bottle.
Is because we are no longer allocated in Texas.
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Yeah, nice.
I don't know if that's around the country, but it sure seems to be that way.
From what I understand is that way here.
And yeah, you told me about a specs close to you.
We learned about specs in Irving and another spec somewhere else.
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And I looked at Joy and said, we got to try the one close to us.
Right.
Which is in LeVon.
So we went there and yeah.
Now at yours it was limit two.
It was.
No limit three for customer.
It was limit two when I got there.
Yeah, ours was limit two.
And one of the guys there who knows me or yeah knows me his name is Ethan.
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He's a really good guy.
He sees me with four in my buggy.
And he's like, I hate to tell you it's limit two per customer.
I said, yes, two for this customer.
And then two for this customer.
Joy comes around the quarter.
Did you have to bring it up twice?
Do you have to do two?
Yeah, we did two separate transactions right there.
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Yeah.
And I've done that before.
And Joy is like, you know, just to maintain, let's let's bag them separately.
So cheers to that.
We are no longer allocated for Taylor.
Now they did do the limit for now because otherwise people buy cases and then nobody
else could get it.
Yes.
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And we don't need that.
But you know, in the future, once everybody's cabinet is saturated and we've reached a saturation
point then it'd probably just be on the shelf.
Lovely, lovely.
This is I do like this.
A good bottle.
I do like this.
This one.
The small batch is just so good.
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Bottle and bond.
I am huge fan of bottle and that as well.
So the nose even has a hundred proof.
This is pretty nice.
Now at 53, this is a bit more expensive than most bottle and bonds.
Depending on the bottom.
I mean, you know, Evan Williams, bottle and bond is 14.
Yeah.
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I mean, you've got bottle and bonds from, you know, sub 20 to mid 30s.
Sure.
There aren't that many bottle and bonds that are above 40.
Right.
And you know, not that long ago, the MSRP on this was 47.
And when they got the allocations, I could sometimes buy them for 47.
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If you were going to be like, Hey, would you rather get one occasionally at 47 or have
it on the shelf at 53?
I'd be like, put it on the shelf.
Yeah.
I'm I'm going to pay the other six bucks.
Yeah.
For it to just be readily available all the time.
I'm never have to pay a hundred for it every once in a while.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm not paying 90 to 110.
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Yeah.
Because it's while I really enjoy it, it's not that price point to me.
No, same, but it's very much a 53.
Oh, absolutely.
Absolutely.
And like I said, one of one of my favorite bottle and bonds mine to mine to has such
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a mild nose actually.
It's I really like it.
It's got a sweet nose.
I think a lot of people are familiar with the H Taylor.
I don't think I've described it that much.
True now.
Mm.
This day, Steve.
I really like that it has a long finish and it you can feel it, mild out the entire way.
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And then you just it just it just stays there.
Even when it's completely finished, you're like, does it?
There's a little bit more.
It persists.
It persists.
Very nice.
Now I wouldn't say it's dry, but it's not super sweet.
It's nice middle of the road.
It's got sweet aspects.
It's got dry aspects.
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It's so nice right in the middle.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
On the I think the dryness is is very specific on this one.
Right.
The dryness is almost for me, at least is almost exclusively on the back end.
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I don't get it right up front.
I don't get it all over the mouth.
I get it on the back end.
Okay.
So from yes, it's on the dry.
You know, it does have a dry aspect to it.
But for me, it's only on the back, which I think is pretty awesome.
Yeah.
It's also like, yeah, it does because it comes up front with a caramel.
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Very much so.
And then that sweet is what gives way to the dry.
When the caramel goes away, then you get the dry finish.
Is warthers caramel?
Your thing of butter scotch.
Butter scotch.
That's butter scotch.
Okay.
Okay.
This is not butter scotch.
There is halfway through a little anise.
And then, but it disappears really quick.
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Thankfully, despite the fact that I'm not a fan of anise, I like it in small amounts.
And I think Taylor's is one is definitely one of my favorite.
I really do like Taylor a lot.
This one's going to be hard to place in the ranking.
Yeah, it is.
This time I'm making it difficult for me.
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Does that feel better for you?
I like, yes, I enjoy hearing that.
I definitely enjoy hearing.
What I'm well, I first off, I'm curious as to where it's going to go in the ranking.
Yeah, I'm saying my.
And I kind of knowing what the top five is.
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I think it fits pretty well.
That's on you to decide.
That's up to you.
You're doing that ranking.
Yeah.
But I mean, we both love this bottle.
And of course, we love just about everything that's on that list.
Yeah.
Yeah.
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Yeah.
It is kind of weird not having all of the liquors together.
Right.
Because the rums are separate.
Right.
And yeah, we did them on the show.
So it's just, it's a little off not having them all together.
But like we talked about originally, you just can't write rums with whiskies.
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It's just, you just can't do it.
So here's the other problem.
I have Konyax and Brandi's I'd like to bring in.
We can't make a third category and they absolutely also do not fit with either of the
others.
True.
So yeah.
I think that's the toughness in rating the liquors.
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And it will be so now it'll be a whole year before we have, you know, Brandi's or Konyax.
Well, you could still do it and see where it falls.
Or I tell you one compare well, I tell you what on your porch, have a cigar, have a cognac
and think about where my phone and risky.
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And then look at your list after you're done.
Look at your list and see where it might fall and see if it ranks enough.
I could do that to be considered.
Well, you know what I know what's I know what would happen.
It's going to fall into the barrel finish areas.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's obvious.
That's kind of a no brainer.
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Right.
Okay.
Never mind.
So the G2, we have let it settle in.
So I did look nice.
I did look and the yellow bandagee to we did on the last year.
Okay.
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And the black label.
Yeah, the black label was was this year.
Okay.
What is it?
The yeah, the G2 Maduro.
Okay.
We did we did this year.
Okay.
The other one was remember now, was that a Connecticut?
Yeah, I believe so.
I think it is.
Yeah, because that one is sun growing.
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Yeah, I think it's connected.
So that rapper we did in 2024.
So it's not in this ranking.
All right.
Well, let's let's think about the Habano and do you want to start with the Habano?
You know, it's when you think Habano, you think, and especially with this, you know,
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Nicaraguan binder and filler, you're thinking this thing's going to be spicy is all hell,
but it's not so very much not.
I would say it's not even a medium as far as body.
It's between a medium and a mile.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
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Are there some spices in it?
Yeah, they are very, very, very muted.
It's it's surprising just how not Nicaraguan.
This comes off.
Yeah, I would agree.
I think maybe the Nicaraguan filler is dwarfed by the Dominican Republic filler because it
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is is pretty mild and well, there is D.R. in there.
For me, the primary flavor of this is paper and then baking spices.
This is a baking spice cigar for me.
I fully agree with the baking spices because they are just so mild from what you would
expect.
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This is a misagard.
This is a use cigar.
So how much of it is it a use cigar?
I still enjoy the cigar.
I like the yellow band better.
That you're yeah.
I really enjoyed that yellow band.
I like this one.
I'm just a little I was expecting more.
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Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, a little more, you know, a little more bold than almost medium.
You know, you know what I mean?
Yes, I do.
Absolutely.
But I'm not saying anything bad about it because I still like this category of cigar.
Have a retro hill.
It's got a really mild retro hill.
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I really like the retro hill really brings out baking spices.
Holy crap, it does.
Really nice.
You don't most think Henderson was the blender for this.
I might have guessed it.
This, this so reminds me of a Henderson cigar.
It does.
That's crazy.
I hadn't put that together with the G2s yet, but yeah, they they come across like that.
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Well, here I was.
Especially this one.
Yes, especially this one.
Yeah.
No, but a four dollar stick.
It's got really nice construction, nice smooth wrapper.
It is a bit of a firm draw for me.
How's your draw?
Oh, is it?
Mine's not at all.
Oh, OK.
Mine is a little bit.
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And I honestly, I could do without the gray background on the bands, but you have to do
something, right?
You had to do something different because you already got black and yellow as primary
colors and other cigars.
Yeah.
And they brought the they brought the black and yellow into this band with a gray background.
So, you know, it does work.
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It's just I'm not a not a colored guy, you know, it's not my forte.
Yeah.
There's something about the mix of the nice pretty brown of the wrapper and the gray of
the band that just doesn't pop out at me.
But think about it this way.
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Think about the red label.
I'm red.
Why'd I say red?
Sorry.
Think about the yellow label.
Think about the black label.
And now you put this gray in there.
Doesn't this gray say?
Oh, it does kind of mild.
It does kind of mean right in between, doesn't it?
I am.
Yes.
The gray says I'm mild.
I feel like they nailed the color on this one.
OK.
Because it is definitely more mildly.
The other two are sharper.
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I hadn't thought about that.
Both of them are sharper contrast with the black and yellow.
This one is much more muted.
And I think this one says in its band, I'm milder.
All right.
You talk me into it.
I'm all I'm all convinced now.
It is just how surprising how much I thought there would be more spice in it.
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You know, more bold spice, right?
And more bold flavor overall than what it really was.
What it really is.
Make a huge difference.
So it it does it does surprise in that regard.
But still pleasant surprise.
I still I still like it.
I still enjoy it.
Still going to smoke it.
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Very nice.
And at $4, how picky should you be?
You probably shouldn't be too picky.
There you go.
Take my own advice.
Mm.
All right.
We have all that covered.
All right.
So I kind of jumped ahead a little bit.
My head.
Okay.
Jumped ahead in my head.
Anyway.
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And you had the article that we have today.
If this was not Chinese, I might be really, really, really excited about this.
Right.
But yeah, I have a hard time trusting them.
Yeah, this.
This seems sci-fi here and I'm not buying it.
(15:36):
Right.
I want an independent analysis.
So a lot of people are working on solid state batteries.
It's a real important thing.
Now, I will say this.
And is the next leap in energy storage?
Absolutely.
And if you can get it to do the best of both worlds, you're in a good place.
(15:58):
Yeah.
Fast charge, slow drain, still high power.
Right.
Boom.
So Huawei has patented a five minute charge.
Five minutes.
Five minutes.
Yeah.
And what's that range?
3000 kilometer solid state battery.
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So this is from so car news China.
So Huawei stepped up its ambitions and advanced energy storage with a patent for a sulfide
based solid state battery that offers driving ranges up to 3000 kilometers.
That depends on the weight of the vehicle, please.
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And ultra fast charging in just five minutes.
The development signals a significant push by the tech giant to stake a claim in the
fast evolving solid state battery landscape.
So firstly, just like you said, I have a really hard time trusting anything the Chinese put
out they lie about everything.
So it's really hard.
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Plus 3000 kilometer doesn't mean anything to me.
Put it in terms that are real like Watts.
Something put it in an energy storage unit, not a distance.
These don't go distances.
Batteries have cool homes.
You have your wish.
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Well, okay.
So the patent outline solid state battery architecture with energy gents.
These between 400 and 500 watt hours per kilogram.
So that's and it does say it's two to three times that of conventional lithium ion batteries.
But that's the part I don't believe.
No.
So why didn't they make?
Why did they publish 3000 kilometers when they could put out the 400 to 500.
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Right.
So because because that 3000 kilometers was in a car that weighed 20 pounds.
Yeah.
Well, if you look at the picture, whatever the whatever the weight of the battery is.
Yeah, that's what that is.
So if you look at the picture, it is a frame with four wheels lined with batteries.
Yeah.
It literally doesn't have anything else on it.
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It is a frame with batteries and four wheels.
And it was probably remote control.
Right.
So that you didn't have a human sitting in it.
And in fact, it was probably on one of the machines where it's stationary and just.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
But that's that's also not the point.
Let's say it does have two to three times that of the conventional lithium ions and charges
(18:41):
in five minutes.
Okay.
It could be a real guy.
It could be a real game changer.
It could be a real game changer.
Right.
And for the same weight battery, right?
Between lithium ion, conventional lithium ion in this battery, you're telling me that
(19:02):
for the same weight, lithium ion will do 1500 1000 to 1500 kilometers.
I'm not buying it.
Yeah.
It doesn't pass the sniff test.
Right.
So the other thing is it's a patent and we know how little the Chinese care about patents.
(19:27):
Yeah.
I have a feeling this is just to ignite a race and ignite an inflame.
I don't think it's probably real.
That being said, this is propaganda.
That being said, no one in the industry contends that the Chinese aren't ahead in EV technology.
Oh, true.
Everybody says it.
(19:49):
True.
And the primary reason why they are is because they don't have to go through all the regulatory
crap that we do.
Right.
Not only, not only for their manufacturing of anything, let alone, let alone batteries,
but also in the technology that they put into their vehicles.
(20:11):
Right.
They don't have the regulatory standards that we do.
Yeah.
Are there how many of their cars would be street legal here?
None of them.
These things will be in South America and Africa before they'll be here.
And don't forget China.
They're all over China.
They're already all over China.
I'm not.
Are they're going to be all over China?
(20:32):
I'm not.
I want to see it in Europe.
Except some I'll start believing.
Yeah.
Russia accepts them.
Then I'll start believing.
Well, yeah, I mean, I don't even know about that.
Russia will Russia will do it before Europe.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I don't know that that's better.
So the filing details, a novel approach to improving electrochemical stability.
(21:00):
Red herring is my guess.
Hoping sulfide electrodes with nitrogen to address side reactions at the lithium interface
along standing obstacle to the commercialization of sulfide based batteries.
My guess is they just want other people to put in research hours to slow them down to investigate
this to see if it works and they'll find out it doesn't.
(21:21):
They probably do something different.
And then, you know, those people will do something to become closer to that goal that
we are now and then China will just steal that.
So that's another point.
They did this to create a sector that they can steal from.
There you go.
I think that would be actually very, very fair to steal their technology.
(21:49):
If they put something out, it was better than other people's.
It would be more than fair.
They've been going on about how patents are garbage for a long time.
They refuse to recognize any of ours.
So you don't recognize anybody's?
Well, yeah.
But we have the most patents because we have the patent company.
Yeah.
(22:11):
So earlier in 2025, the company filed a separate patent on the synthesis of sulfide electrolytes,
the key material known for its high conductivity, but also high cost.
So we're succeeding the price of gold.
So, but at the same time an ounce of that will go a lot longer than an ounce of gold
would.
Yeah.
Yeah.
(22:32):
Is this something we should be concerned about?
Maybe.
But the, I think the bigger thing you should be concerned about is how much farther ahead
they are in EV technology.
I'm less concerned about that.
I am much more concerned about how far ahead they are in market share of the materials
(22:54):
it takes to do this.
Well, sure.
So that's something that we see.
Well, how long have we been talking about rare earth?
Yeah.
I'm much more concerned about that than EV in and of itself.
Agreed.
And I love the idea of a five minute charge.
You could do that at a gas station and you know, and both your batteries done charging
(23:23):
from a complete drain.
Yeah.
By the time you went in and picked up a coffee or something, right?
Yeah.
But the cabling would be about as thick as the current gas pump hoses.
Or as thick as the damn car.
To charge that level of energy in five minutes?
Yeah.
You better have some thick copper.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's a power line that coming down, you know.
(23:46):
And then you insulate it and pipe it down.
I mean, yeah, no, it's just for so many reasons this just doesn't pass the stuff.
Yeah.
But if you use it like you're like you were looting to if you use it as a thought exercise
on what would this how would this revolutionize mankind?
(24:13):
Mm hmm.
And it could.
And as a solid state battery, you could I mean, you could put this on the moon.
You could put this on Mars.
You have to radiation shield it, of course, but much more doable than lithium ion, right?
(24:34):
Or any other battery technology we we, you know, really do.
So the space race, if you call it a race these days, but you know, advancements in space
would go by leaps and bounds.
Yeah.
(24:55):
Just but at least the space application, they're totally fine with slow charge.
They're fine with until you get humans out there.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's true.
Right.
If you build a base and you have humans on residing on Mars and the moon.
(25:17):
And you have a way of generating electricity is not solar.
But even still, if it's solar, if this can do a five minute charge here on earth with
the push of electricity that we have, then that means the what radiation, what solar
radiation he gets is instantaneous into the battery.
Sure.
(25:38):
Whereas it's not instantaneous into the current technology we use.
So it's still probably more than a bit.
And and.
Wow, that yeah, that's something else.
You the less loss of energy.
Absolutely.
So, I mean, when you're looking at earthbound stuff or hell, even sub suburbs stuff.
(26:02):
And the other, I mean, what would this do for submarines?
Yeah.
You know, what would this do for naval naval transportation or green transportation?
If it's lighter.
I was just so many things that could just convert and be done.
It's just amazing.
(26:23):
Yeah, you keep a diesel generator in order to be able to charge batteries.
On a on a nuclear sub on a surface commercial surface ship, right?
But the implications are staggering.
Even with just in a process, indeed.
(26:46):
Indeed.
All right.
Do we want to make an old fashioned from this?
No, no.
All right, we won't, but we will be right back with the midpoint.
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CLN.
So I tell you what, even though this cigar is milder than I anticipated and even the
ritual hail is pleasant.
So pleasant.
And feel like it could run.
(27:50):
I think it might do pretty well.
Nice.
The beauty part is it's four bucks and it's a stick that I like.
Yeah.
But we're not supposed to be factoring in costs just later.
No, no, no, I'm not talking about the ranking.
I'm just talking about every day smoke easy to buy a case of these babies.
(28:13):
Absolutely.
I could go out in the field.
I could go to the range.
I could be at the beach and some happens you could drop it and not feel bad.
Not care.
Yeah.
I might care a little, but you know, as much as you know, an ace of car herds.
Yeah.
But you know, not like I was smoking a, you know, 20 hours ago.
(28:35):
You're like, no, yeah, yeah.
I will stand in the doorway as this hurricane comes just to finish my cigar.
You know, paid for that.
That's right.
But a $4 stick.
Okay.
I can throw that away to get indoors for a hurricane, right?
You have to be a hurricane.
(28:57):
I like the stick.
But what any transitions for you?
No, but I will say I like it with the drink drop.
The drink drop is nice.
It just kind of pops everything up.
Literally everything.
The whole cigar pops up with this drink.
(29:18):
Now, here's the problem.
I don't think the cigar adds anything to the tailor.
So I don't think it's a primo pairing.
Uh, yeah.
Unfortunately, I would agree because that would have been nice.
We haven't had one in a while.
No.
I don't think we've had one this year, haven't we?
Or did we have one?
(29:39):
I don't know.
We'll look it up when we've been ranking.
We might have one, but we were running like 10% for a few years.
And now we're not running 10%.
No, we've got more experience now.
Yeah, that might be part of it.
More discerning.
I don't think that's it.
I think we found a lot of them.
We'd, yeah, yeah, we did.
(30:00):
We've been around a while now.
We really have.
It's been this is four thirty five.
It's been a fun journey.
Yeah.
And it's it's helped me grow as a cigar smoker.
That's for sure.
And we'll send that and a spirit drinker, right?
Because I wasn't too keen on rise.
(30:21):
Mm hmm.
And I wasn't.
Mom's still not mostly keen on scotches, but there are some
scotches that I did.
I really enjoy.
Yes.
Right.
And and I found some conniax you like.
Oh, one or two.
(30:42):
And you know, I was primarily a rum drinker.
Yeah.
And now I'm primarily a whiskey and bourbon drinker.
Hey, you go back 10 years.
I was primarily a vodka drinker.
Yeah, which I think is worse.
I'm entirely possible.
At least the rum has flavor.
I mean, come on.
(31:03):
You know, the vodka, they distill to oblivion.
It's true, which is your quote.
It's true.
But that's not to say different vodkas don't taste different.
They do.
They just largely taste the same.
Much more so than rum or whiskey or bourbon or scotch or rye or.
I would say the subtleties and Kentucky straight bourbon
(31:26):
whiskies are the subtleties and the differences in vodkas.
Especially the base Kentucky.
Yeah.
The Kentucky Burbins, I think, have a little bit more play to them.
But the Kentucky.
Just a little.
But the Kentucky whiskies definitely are the base flavors,
really quite the same.
(31:48):
Quite.
They're they're they're.
They have had such a long and storied run of being on top of the spirit
game in the US.
Yeah, they do.
But you got Texas just like the craft beer segment.
(32:10):
You got Texas ones that are taken over the craft whiskey segment
has really put up a fierce competition to Kentucky Burbins
into Kentucky.
Whiskies and I say Kentucky, but I'm also lumping in Tennessee.
And I don't know, Maine.
MGP.
Oh, no.
(32:31):
No, MGP definitely different tastes different than Kentucky.
Yeah.
But a lot of the MGP products have this have a lot of the same base
flavors.
Well, sure.
And you're lumping it in because MGP
supplies so many people that it feels like there's a bunch of different ones
that all tastes the same.
And the reason is they all came from the same thing.
(32:54):
So I'm going to exclude that because it doesn't
taste like Kentucky and Tennessee has its own flavor to it is more similar to Kentucky
than MGP or Texas or Oregon or California.
When you want to talk about the wild west of flavors and whiskey and bourbon,
(33:15):
you're talking Texas.
You really are.
The variety.
There is just so much of a difference.
North to South Texas distillers.
They were called it the Terro Law.
Oh, absolutely.
And you're the one that states this.
(33:37):
And a lot of it comes down to how much
such a change cycle.
Oh, my God.
And such a variety of heat called cycles in Texas.
Mm-hmm.
Mostly heat.
But there are some like the plateaus that grow wine in West Texas.
Mm-hmm.
(33:58):
It's a lot of variety.
The hill country, definitely different than I don't know.
Brown's oil.
Brown's oil.
Brown's oil, sorry.
Or the Houston area, right?
Or Austin or San Antonio or the other.
Very much different.
Yeah.
We've got.
Yeah, you're going to hate me for saying this.
(34:24):
You can almost equate in marketing.
You can almost equate Texas to Cubans,
Texas West Keys to Cuban cigars, right?
Because Cuba, toutled.
This region has this.
This region has this.
This region has this.
As you work your way from West coast to East coast of Cuba,
(34:47):
they do all this.
New combined.
We got all that different.
But when you, yeah, when you, yeah.
Yeah.
But Texas whiskey is like that in reality.
As you go north, south, east, and west, you get such.
Well, it's also so big.
Yes, we are.
It's just so big.
(35:08):
You know, I think the other thing is almost all your big
producers and Kentucky has gotten big for all column stills.
But all your little producers, they almost all have to start
or choose to start with pots.
Yep.
And I prefer pots still for sure.
(35:33):
Yeah.
And there have been more than a few that you have said,
this has got to be a pot still.
Do you look it up and it is?
Oh, it's really obvious.
Or we do a tour and it is.
Yeah.
So yeah, absolutely.
All right.
Do we?
Where are we at?
We did a break already.
Let's see if we wrap up the article.
(35:55):
Let's see if there's anything good left in the article.
China's EV tech sectors are aggressively exploring
solid state battery technology.
So here's some names.
So there's always something good to look up.
So we got some established battery suppliers such as K.
K.
Cattle?
Yeah.
It's probably cattle, but it's CATL and BYD.
(36:18):
I think people are familiar with Xiaomi, which is a phone
producer, but does other things.
And Neo, they depend on third party battery manufacturers,
but I think they are putting their toes in the water too.
They're all seeking ways to integrate vertically and regain
control of the high cost component of the EV, which
is usually half the cost is the battery.
(36:39):
Absolutely.
So there have been recent reports that Xiaomi filed patents
for composite electrode structures.
So we know they're doing research in the batteries.
This also highlights that tech firms are working on battery
innovation and vehicles and mobile electronics.
(37:01):
Now, OK, I'm going to I'm going to pause you there for a moment.
Give some bill thoughts on this.
So China, China has been making the move to try to go from a
manufacturing powerhouse.
To an IP powerhouse.
Yes.
(37:22):
Right.
That's exactly it.
They weren't created in China, not made in China.
Yes.
And they don't they don't necessarily for the for the IP
itself, they don't necessarily care if it actually works as
long as they can file the patent on it.
Then they right then they do two things.
One, if you want to do it, you have to pay them.
(37:45):
Right.
Two, if you don't want to do it, then they might hold you off
long enough until they can figure it out.
Right.
So I I think these are and this article in particular is more
strategy than it necessarily is an actual technological improvement.
(38:08):
I agree.
Plus again, I'm going to so this next paragraph will address that and the sniff test.
Globally, international leaders like Toyota, Panasonic, Samsung have invested in
solid state battery R and D for over a decade.
Toyota, for instance, unveiled a prototype in 2023 claiming a 1200
(38:29):
kilometer range and 10 minute charge time.
Targeting commercialization within five years.
However, China is rapidly caught up or have they, right?
Right.
I don't know if I believe them.
Yeah.
Toyota is firstly amazing with the research and their lean manufacturing.
Oh, yeah.
I find it hard to believe if they have been pushing that somebody just
(38:52):
magically caught up with them.
I do not believe that until I see it.
Chinese entities now filed over 7,600 solid state battery patents annually
representing 36% of the global activity, which I think not only goes to the sniff test,
which come on really and your other comment.
(39:13):
They're just doing it as a prevention.
Yep.
But here's the thing.
I think we should all honestly absolutely ignore any patent they file.
They do not care at all about anyone else's patents.
Nope.
We should absolutely not respect theirs.
No, in the slightest.
Yep.
(39:34):
Chinese battery manufacturers are preparing for industrialization.
CATL claims to begin pilot production of a hybrid solid state by 2027, which again,
two years out.
Toyota was saying five years out from 23.
They're really going to be that much faster.
I just don't believe it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No.
So they're talking about featuring a 350 watt hour per kilogram energy density and a 800 watt
(40:06):
hour per liter volume density.
And they're saying that is entered small scale production.
At the same time, Beijing, we lie on has begun manufacturing a 50 ampere hour all
solid state battery with national certification.
Again, show me.
I grew up in Missouri.
(40:27):
Show me.
So yeah, I didn't grow up in Missouri, but I grew up perps in the pudding.
Hand me the pudding.
Yeah.
And it's just it would be amazing.
We should not respect their patents.
And I don't believe it.
(40:48):
If I could sum up.
So I would like you to get to the second to last paragraph, second to last paragraph on this page.
OK.
Because this I'm happy to see this.
I'm surprised to see this in this article.
OK.
So read this first and then let's talk about solid state electronics generally have lower
(41:11):
ionic conductivity than their liquid counterparts.
The interfacial resistance continues to limit efficiency.
High production costs currently between 8,000 and 10,000 one per kilowatt hour,
approximately 1100 to $1,400 US hinder mass market adoption.
(41:34):
That's a lot.
It's a lot.
And so you're you're trying to tell me that you have overcome
in I'm guessing a laboratory condition, but you have overcome the problems
of over a decade in this short amount of time.
And I'm glad that they put this in the article.
(41:56):
Don't get me wrong.
I'm kind of surprised they did.
But this here defines the challenge of solid state batteries.
Can they actually do it?
Who really knows?
It'd be great if they did.
Because they would have found something and we should reverse engineer them and
steal them.
Yes.
(42:17):
Yes.
Because they have stolen everything else for I don't even know how long I can't even
put a year on it forever.
19.
So if if 1968, if it's considered punching down when we, you know,
punish them for violating pens and they achieved greatness, then it should be
(42:41):
considered punching down when we steal their stuff because I am so tired of them
taking everything and then undercutting us and ruined.
Firstly, we shouldn't tolerate it.
I don't even know why we do.
That's on us for tolerating it.
We should just put them on band list, but we want so much other cheap things from them
(43:03):
that we don't.
But it's as a thought exercise.
I love it.
I'd like to know what actual
practicality from China.
I don't believe it.
I think it's a lot of cover.
That's a major problem is to believe anything from China.
Yeah.
(43:24):
And trying to spurn the world into
doing research and development.
And more broadly
in areas that they just want to steal the IP from.
Yep.
I could be wrong.
I'm not saying that's what's actually going on, but I will argue the point with anybody.
(43:53):
All right.
Let's rate these things and find out where we stand.
Man. Oh, man.
So it's kind of this particular break lift does fall in.
It's a brother, sweet little spots.
It's got to figure out which pool it's just.
Yeah.
All right.
(44:14):
Yeah, that's.
That's where I'm going.
Oh, OK.
All right.
Oh, I'll say where he went.
All right.
Great.
Cliff.
It's good.
Habano.
All right.
Well, Bill put the great cliff to Habano and the number 23 spot, which again falls
(44:40):
just below the Burtegas, Safwentes and just above the Drewest eight factory
smoked sun ground, which we just had last week, which we just had less.
The so it's OK, you scroll up the list.
And I am.
That's what I'm doing right now.
And you look and there are.
(45:03):
Maybe two spots, two other spots higher up on the list where this would
where it would fit.
But it's not of that caliber.
That's why that's why I wound up where it was because it just it didn't have.
Other qualities that that.
(45:24):
That fit.
I mean, really where it belongs is closer to more adventurer.
Yes.
But there are other qualities in the average as I was going through the list.
I was looking at them and thinking about those sticks there.
There are other qualities that the average era has that provides more depth
(45:47):
than what this has.
Yep.
So that's that's why in the end it wound up in that spot.
I would have put it higher, but I'm not writing it.
So for Bill, the number five to one is League of Provada 10 years,
Savage Feast number five, AJ, Manowara model holding in at number four.
(46:08):
The adventure of Blue Eyed Jacks revenge number three,
taking the bronze cup.
Perdovo, 20th anniversary, Maduro, which is silver.
And Manowara, Piero, authentic or Maduro, gold cup for the year.
He's taking the gold, girly.
All right.
As far as the liquor goes for the each Taylor, small batch bottle and I
(46:31):
was tight.
New breaking the number five at number five is this
each Taylor, small batch bottle and bonds just edging out the Russell's reserve.
Yeah.
I mean, yeah.
Oh, it was tight.
Garrison brother single barrow number four and Russell's reserve single barrow at
(46:54):
number five.
So you got.
Oh, it's tight.
Now that's just to go out.
The single barrels.
They've been together since they made it on all this.
That's true.
I've I've busted them up and you have now you've now put a small batch in between
them.
Oh, what's going to happen next?
Anybody.
Yes.
(47:15):
So here we are.
And I cannot argue in any way, shape or form about where you put this on the list.
I was close to put over the garrison, but yeah, the garrison is really good.
Yeah.
I love the peach flavor of the lineage.
That that is that is that is the garrison in this are are really tight.
So yeah.
(47:36):
No, I'm I'm right there with you.
And it doesn't it doesn't deserve to be anywhere else lower on the list.
So bought a boom.
Yeah.
All right.
So to cover the five to one, as Darryl said, he has Taylor's small batch bottle of
long garrison brother single barrel, about Conan's lineage, 1845 pre-entry
(47:58):
reverence, cash and Rima's law.
You ate at number one.
As you said, aching the gold.
Nice.
Sweet.
After a month.
Oh, yeah.
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