July 21, 2025 • 44 mins
Bill and Darrell discuss recent software that is being used to transcribe police body cam footage and think about some of the pitfalls on both sides of the table. There is great concern that information is becoming part of our records without being proof read.
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Alright, welcome to our newest episode.
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In this episode, we will have the Padron Anniversary Series 1964 with it, Art of Spirits Cigar
Blend Del Dog.
You're hanging out with Bill and Daryl with cigars, liquor and more.
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Alright, well, the Padron Anniversary Series 1964.
This one happens to be a 4.5 x 44, the little guy.
It's a Nicaraguan Puree with a Maduro wrapper and its MSRP is $12.
12 bucks for a Padron.
So that's how you get a Padron 1964 for not 24 dollars is you buy the little one.
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You buy the half-point.
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It's a 4.5 x 44.
That's off.
Military and cigars.
I do believe they work.
Alright.
Alright, so.
You've had a little bit of this
before yet.
We did.
Mhm.
Let's see what the nose got for us.
Alright.
That high proof comes through.
The high proof comes through.
And it's very fruity for me.
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Like that dried fruit, not like
grape soda.
Oh nose legs.
Hang on.
Oh, yeah. And it's got good, good color too. Good. Good does. Mm. So upfront. It just
starts out fruity. It starts out real fruity for me. I love the finish though. The long
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finish. Mm hmm. It's like it's trying to hold on to your mouth as it slides down. It wants
to. It does. It achieves that. It's good. This is good. I warm as it goes down. It lingers
in the mouth for a while. The heat goes away, but there's still, there's still some flavor
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behind. It's nice. Yeah, it doesn't come off like you're a bourbon bourbon. It's got
a lot of action going on. 117.8 proof. Cast series. Cast series. So pretty awesome for
a proof for. I think we've done two of them. Have we done two of them now? I don't I know
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we've got two other bottles. I don't know if we've done all of them on the show. Yeah,
I know we've done at least one. Okay. Well, yeah, I know we've done at least one. Now,
unfortunately, their printing on the back of the bottle is near impossible to read. So
that's never going to happen. Yeah. So if I said to say it is Ephesians 613 to 17. So
go read that if you want to know what it says. All right. So this is a blend of straight
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whiskies. This is a bottle pick from ABV barrel club. So this is from all my favorite places
to go in Arnold Missouri. Because there's not really a lot of places to go in Arnold
Missouri. But this is a place to go. So the ABV barrel club specializes in single barrels,
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cast strength picks. And it's awesome. I get why you like going there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So
not a surprise. This was there. They had several of them. But what Oh, yeah, one of the reasons
is because it is finished in four square rum and tawny port barrels. So that's where you get the
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fruity. But listen to what they went through. Okay. On the nose baking spices, oak, sherry,
pellet, dried red fruit, cinnamon, rye, nutmeg. That's what it is. Cinnamon. Okay. Yep. Finish
long finished with baking spices. Yeah. Very much. Here's the blend. 55% 12 year SIB bourbon,
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20% 19 year old bourbon finished 11 months in tawny portcasc. 15% 19 year old rye finished 10
months in four square rum casks, 15% nine year old SIB rye finished 24 months in Buffalo trace.
Wow. Parents with medium bodied cigar. So I got this that is yeah. Yeah. Okay. But this, this got
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some age on it and the finishes. So no one is 110 a bottle. This is a great blend. But it's lovely.
This is a great blend. It is very, very nice. I, I enjoy this one a lot. I think the next one,
I'm going to give these guys a call. See if they come on. Sweet 117.8. Yeah, baby. That's good
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proof. Yes. Baking spices. No wonder I like the bottle. I'm a baking spice cigar. Why wouldn't
I be a baking spice bottle? True enough, true enough. And cinnamon that that is that very much
describes that flavor. Always with the cinnamon. Always with the cinnamon. What's up with that?
All right. Padron. I love what you love what you said at one point. I don't know if you
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you made it up or you got it from someone else. But got it from Fran got it from Fran. Ah,
so if if if you don't know what if you got a flavor, you don't know what it is? Probably
cinnamon probably cinnamon. And how many times that turned out true? So true. What a bit. All
right. No, but drone. The padron. Mm. Mm. Well, you already know whether it mixes well with the
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liquor or not. Because that liquor's got long finish. I'll say this. I don't think it mixes
well with the cigar. I was like, on my first drag, I was like, Hmm, this isn't what a padron tastes
like. And then I waited a little bit. I took a drink of water, took a couple more drags. And I'm
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like, there, that's what a padron tastes like. So it, it does detract from the padron. You take
it to tracks. Yeah, I do. All right. What do I think it detracts from? Yeah. What doesn't detract
from? All right. Let's go over to flavors then. Okay. And then we'll take a sip and we'll go over
to flavors again. Let me let me do a rich room chair. Got to be scientific about this.
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All right. It's radio. You got to do that kind of stuff. Got a really strong paper,
really, really strong paper and bacon spices. Definitely, definitely bacon spices. That's
what I'm going to go with. That's one of the reasons I like the padron. I'm going to make
a drink drop and a little wood a little bit. Now it takes away the paper. There are some
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baking spices, but it gives it like this harsh campfire type retro hill. I don't like it.
Oh, I haven't done a retro hill, but it, but it does, it does present a little bit,
a little bit earthy and a little more, I think it accentuates the spices. I think it makes the
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spices spicier. It might, but it knocks out the paper and adds that campfire that I don't like.
That being said, I'm still drinking. You still got to drink that and smoke this? I am. All right.
Well, do it on your side. I'm going to do some rinsing rinse though. I'm going to swap off the
two a little bit more often. All right. See, I don't think it's that bad. Okay.
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I mean, yeah, I like to, I like to bump in the spices because the spices were there, but there
were, there were little, little tang baking spice, but this just kind of amps them up a little bit.
I like it. Cool. I don't get me wrong. I don't think it's premo pairing right now,
but I like it. Retro hell in and of itself is pretty easy. I haven't done it after the drink draw.
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Got good retro hell. It brings more of the spices. I like it a lot.
You know, the the patrol in 1964 is a go to premium cigar when somebody wants to say,
a premium cigar. The first one people often say is either the 1964 or some Daviro.
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That's just that's just the norm. True. That's what you're going to go to. True enough.
It's not going to be some unicorn from somewhere else. They're going to point to one of these two.
They are really, really good. Yeah. And then I mean, the whole 64 series is is good. It doesn't
matter what the Vittola is. The 64 series is just good across the board. If I were younger, I'd say
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this slays. Okay. Now that you're not younger, what would you say? I still say slays. I pick
up the jargon of the Utes. Oh, is that what the Utes say? Yeah. Slays. Yeah. You know,
it may be on the way out though, because the millennials were saying it a little bit.
When they're from like the 2000s or something. Yeah. The millennials were saying it a little bit.
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And then it really came in for the Z's. And I don't know if the alphas are picking it up.
Alphas. You don't know what else to call them.
Great. Just great. Yeah. Why go from Z to alpha? Why not a who wasn't Zeta?
Exactly. But whatever, man. And what are we, technically?
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Gen X. Gen X. Yeah. I don't pay attention to any of this shit. You don't make sense, though,
because you had our parents generation. Yeah. You had our generation. I'm with boomers. You
got kids. Yeah. So, so I mean, so was mine. But I know why they call us Gen X. But your dad was,
your, your folks were a little bit older. Yeah. Because your dad was Korea era. Yeah.
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My dad was Vietnam era. Yes. So my dad was an older dad. Yeah.
But damn, healthy as a fucking horse. He was. Yeah, he was. Only made it to 90.
God, in his, in his 70s, he was still, still seemed like he was strong as an ox. He was.
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Because ox is just saying what they used to be.
Um, all right. Hey, he climbed a rock wall. Yeah, like 67 or something, right? Mm hmm. Yeah.
Climb that rock wall at the in, in loafers. Yeah. And shorts. That was funny. So where is? Yeah,
nobody should wear loafers in shorts. I mean, if you wear socks, you shouldn't have loafers.
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He got a on the way down. He got a standing ovation. Yeah. Okay. Andrum, M.R.E. Anything else on this?
No, I mean, there is nothing not to love about the 1964 series. Cool. Everybody,
you, you hand this to someone. Everybody appreciates it. They know how good it is.
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Boom. And I, unlike you, I think I, I kind of like this period. Hmm. Why? I'm glad. Man,
that is a long finish. Yeah, it is. You get to keep it. It's a 19 year old stuff in there. My goodness.
Or what? Two minutes you have the finish. It's not that long, but it seems pretty damn long.
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I have to wait quite a while and have a drink of water before I make a drag. Yeah. That's,
that's, that stuff's awesome. Yeah. Right. Maybe I should have gotten two of that.
Absolutely. All right. Okay. Well, we're going to come back around to AI tools. A lot of AI
entering the world, a lot of it entering our workplaces, supposed to make us more efficient
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and effective. One, but being a copy editor is what I've always wanted to be.
Correct the errors of a child. Anyway, we have a new tool that the police are using
to do reports. All right. Kids did with you, you've they either do their homework. Yeah.
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My cops are using it to do their,
do their reports. This is from ours Technica. So electronic frontier for foundation,
which is a digital rights group published an investigation into AI generated police reports.
And they alleged that by design, it is nearly impossible to audit
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these automated reports and therefore makes it easier for police to lie under oath because
we don't know if AI created or they created, we'll get more. Well, so axon, draft one,
they viewed last summer at the police department in Colorado, raising a lot of fears almost
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immediately on negative impacts of AI written police reports in the criminal justice system.
So the tool replies on a chat JPT variant to generate police reports based on body camera
audio, which cops are then supposed to edit to correct any mistakes, assess AI outputs for biases
and add key context. So this is, this is probably the crux of the issue because it's not only
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translating audio, which may be bad. And if you don't look to see what is translated,
you now have something officially in the record. Yep. As you said, that you may not have said. Yep.
And if they don't check it, then it kind of absolves them a responsibility to go, I didn't write that.
Why would you check it? You're not going to go through the whole string of audio listening to
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the audio looking at it and check. Nobody's going to do that. But beyond that, electronic frontier
foundation found that this technology is designed to stymie attempts at auditing
transparency and accountability. So the police don't have to disclose when AI is used in every
department, some departments do say they are supposed to. But the key point is, okay, so they
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don't retain different versions of drafts. So you can't assess the evolution of the report and how
the AI wrote it and how it was edited. You can't then determine if the technology made a mistake.
And the obvious is why would you want to maintain that? That's just more to sift through. Yeah,
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nobody wants it. Right. So I don't like it. No, I don't like this at all.
I really wish. I really would. I mean, they need this state. If it did not come from the officer,
yeah, because it's the officer signing the frickin thing, right, if it didn't come from the officer,
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then it needs to stay on there, this generated by AI. Right. What's the officer signing? Right.
You just signing that he was there? Yeah, basically.
So here's here's another concern they have is that it gives them sort of cover to blame the AI tool
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for any biased language inaccuracies, misrepresentations or lies that are in the report. They could go,
oh, I didn't review it. Maybe that's not what happened. And even though maybe they wanted it that way.
So don't like this at all. We do not need to add another layer of
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I don't know you want you want to call it. Okay, uncertainty. I am. I am okay.
With it being written by AI, if it states translated by AI. And then the required,
I haven't seen this. Are they required to keep the original footage in the cases of litigation,
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a crime that they intend to prosecute, right? They're supposed to keep all footage. Are they?
I don't think they are. I doubt they're keeping all footage. I thought they were supposed to.
Oh, they might be required. I'm saying I don't think they are. Oh, I don't mean I don't think
they are required. I mean, I don't think they are. We couldn't even keep 12 hours of footage of
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of a man who was theoretically suicidal. And three key minutes are missing. I don't want to go
into that right now. We can't keep video. Right. So it does seem like they're deliberately designed
to avoid audits that could provide any accountability to the public. That's what their opinion is.
This EFF and draft one software. I don't know that I would go so far as to say it was designed for
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that. That may be a high product. Okay. Well, an axon senior principal product manager for
gender of AI touted draft ones disappearing drafts as a feature explaining we don't store
original draft. And that's by design. And that's really because the last thing we want to do
is create more disclosure headaches for our customers and our attorney's offices. They said that.
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Well, yeah, I get that. He said it though. I get that. But it doesn't mean that it's specifically
designed to avoid audits. That's what it's designed for. Right. You don't disclose until you're audited.
Yeah. And the end draft will be not saying I like it. But I think it's a little bit
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of a stretch. Where how where was where where were you reading that? You don't think the second
paragraph? No, I know where you read that part from. What's that? And I wasn't referring to that bit.
I was referring to another bit. I mean, if you're avoiding keeping data is because you don't want
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disclosure headaches that the dodging of lying, the consequences of lying and blaming the AI. Yeah.
Due to its own inaccuracies, misinterprets lies. Yeah. I think if somebody does that,
and you review the footage and you find out it is totally inaccurate, then there's the possibility
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that every case that was done with one of these for that department, right, could be tossed in
those people free. Right. Right. The first draft thing I get, I get that. I mean, you don't see
every draft that they baked down. Yeah. That's true. I mean, they they type it up on a computer.
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They they could type a whole paragraph, go back and backspace out of it. You don't get every bit of
that. That's true. But I mean, in the end, the final report is what you what goes against you.
What I don't what I really don't like about it is,
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have you used Siri talk to text? Yes. You got to be slow, methodical, very specific in your speech,
separate your words, put in your commas and your periods and question marks and all that shit.
Uh huh. And we've seen police video that audio fucking sucks. It does. So how could it be filled
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with nothing but it occurs? Right. I'm not saying I'm not saying it's out and out lying,
but it will be inaccurate. Yeah, I just don't want something to be part of my record that didn't happen.
Yeah. Well, yes. But at least you do have some recourse after the fact. But everything's after.
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Well, it's the first thing that I would do if I were an attorney, I'd go after this all the time.
This is also an out for the prosecution. I'm sorry for the defense. Yep. I don't think that's good
either. No. Anyway, I found that interesting. I don't know. Yeah. So. My doctor's office, my
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primary doctor's office, the company has instituted a text to speech,
or sorry, speech to text recording mechanism. Yeah. So that the doctor doesn't have to write as
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many notes. Right. I don't like that because they're just plain, not that accurate. Well, the other
thing is the doctor's probably going to say a lot of really technical things. Yes. And unless you
have a really well customized medical dictionary, it's going to get a lot of shit wrong. Well,
hopefully the doctors of the medical facilities. Right. You may have that. Yeah.
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I'm not going to assume that. When I come back with a midpoint. Yeah. Let's do that.
See.
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at Cigar Darryl and at Bill underscore CLN.
All right, well, I'm midpointing a cigar.
Of course it hasn't transitioned,
but what maybe has moved a little bit is I am,
I guess I'm acclimating to the two,
and I'm kind of getting more of the cigar with the liquor now.
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Okay. It's a little bit better. Okay.
Do you like what it does to the baking spices?
Yeah, well, it never really harmed the baking spices.
It really just harmed the paper flavor.
Oh, yeah. Well, it's absolutely perfect.
The paper goes away.
I'm actually starting to get some paper back.
Oh, are you? Yeah.
Yeah. I don't get that when I drink it.
But I do like the
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accentuation of the baking spices in the cigar.
That's what I really like about it.
Yep. That's probably so many of those finishes in the rye,
right? Because it's got its own.
It's yep. That rye.
It's quite a blend, isn't it?
Oh, it's a fabulous blend too.
So you've got, not only do you have
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aged liquors, but you've got
second barrelings. Yeah.
It's just had the
pork, the rum.
I'd like to know if they were four square or seal.
It was four square.
Well, four square makes seal. Oh, okay.
It's said four square.
Because you don't get the buffalo trays too.
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Oh, and the buffalo trays.
Because seal is
a little bit more packed with flavor, I think,
than the four square brand itself.
I love both of them. Don't get me wrong.
I love just about
everything labeled four square and everything labeled seal.
So, now,
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you got me there. I'm definitely going to like that.
Okay.
Any other thoughts
on either? You don't have with a high proof,
you become acclimated to it.
Yeah. And it's no longer a surprise.
Right. And it doesn't seem to
hang on as long as it did.
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It's very beginning. Not this one.
This one. I mean, there's still
there's still some heat that comes on in the beginning
and there's still a long finish.
Yeah.
This is my kind of high proof right here.
This is going to be difficult to place.
Yeah, it is.
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Yeah, it is.
The 1964.
It's just a classic.
Yeah.
I like it. Like I said before the break,
there isn't anybody that does it like a Pedro in 1964.
I don't. Yeah. I don't think there is.
Yeah. It may not like the price.
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Yeah.
But everybody likes to stick. Yeah.
They're still getting around it.
I'm fairly certain his goal was to try to replicate
a medium bodied Cuban cigar.
Because that's exactly what this is.
Yeah.
That's only maybe a little better because it's got stronger
baking spices. It is better.
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It is.
I love the Particisti.
Oh, yeah.
And that is wonderful.
But this has more baking spices than what is that?
Monte Cristo to or something.
Love that one is.
Oh, yeah.
So couple of cohebos.
This is a major.
It's a major.
Marker and cigar technology.
From 1964.
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I don't remember when it first came out.
No, I don't.
But it's a it's a great blend.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
And be an a purer at that.
Okay.
You can sit back, relax,
and not give two shits about anything.
When you have one of these cigars.
Yeah.
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This this cigar.
I'm I can't speak for everybody.
It will make your life better.
Yeah.
You sit back, relax.
An hour prior.
Hate your life.
Now you love your life.
It's better than crack.
He's you get to keep your team.
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And you know that there is goodness in the world.
Okay.
I don't think I've anything else to say that.
Halfway point done check box.
All right.
Oh, you know, we've got we've got a plethora of AI stuff out there.
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Oh, yeah.
I mean, it's really it really is the Wild West.
You know, it's it's much like personal computers.
Back in the eighties, probably.
Yeah, you know, not back.
Late eighties when you had, you know, a bunch of new bakers coming out and bringing stuff and and there was just so much stuff and some of it was crap and some of it was good.
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You know, and everybody's trying to get around by having to buy Microsoft.
You know, and, you know, it's just AI today reminds me of kind of all that everybody's searching and trying to get it.
And trying to figure out where in the world does this thing fit in our life, right, and our workplace, our education.
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Where does this thing fit?
And we had the same type of discussions and activities wrap around just a personal computer.
Right.
And just like back then, the the people who aren't growing up with it are saying, Oh, what is this?
I don't need this ridiculous.
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And the kids are like, this is great.
I'm going to totally make this work.
So, very similar.
I mean, younger people, they can businesses with it.
Yeah, I've heard of, you know, kids who are like 12 to 14, creating a business with chat GPT work.
I don't know what they're doing. I haven't really looked into them.
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I should.
Yeah.
They're making good money. They're making good money.
Okay.
And here we are just trying to get it to say something stupid.
Yeah.
Well, no, I use it.
I will.
I will tell it the general basics of, you know, I want this programming language to do this.
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You know, just give me a little snippet of code.
Right.
Yeah.
And, you know, I'll talk it through fine tuning it.
And then I'll take it. I'll just set that off to the side.
And then talk about, you know, ask something out.
And what I'm trying to do is lay out a document where I can hand it to a developer and say,
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these are the things that I want.
I want it to have these capabilities.
Right.
And if you see a bit of code, you can read code.
Yeah.
Makes it a little simpler than trying to read up, you know, just a descriptive document.
Right.
Okay.
Let's face it. Most of those descriptive documents aren't descriptive enough.
Yeah.
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Well, one of the guys who I played disc golf with, he's a programmer and he says, any more,
he only does about 10% of the programming he used to do.
Most of it is asking AI to generate a base and then correcting it and fixing it.
But that's only 10%.
And so he's like, he wonders.
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He goes, you know, I wonder in five years if I'm not going to be retired of the coding.
It's 10% of the coding, but you still have to debug it.
Right.
Validate, do validation, things like that.
But even he is wondering if he'll have a job in five years.
I mean, he's been doing this for 20 years.
Yeah.
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I'm not a, I'm not a developer.
I, I, I put data together.
Right.
And I'm a scriptor.
I put nonsensical data together.
So I, I think I'm okay for a while.
Yeah.
Yeah.
If anything, I might get more productive because my tiny little things that achieve speed advancements in my work are probably more valuable than the vibe coding where they, you try to create everything with AI and then just go with it from there.
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Yep.
But we'll see.
I've, I've still found that I'm right now, even though I want simple things.
I'm not good enough to know how to fix it right away.
Fixing it sometimes takes almost as much time as getting at the beginning with.
You still have to know.
You still have to know.
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Yeah.
So whatever it is, you still have to learn and know.
In order to be able to make it.
Now what?
Take it over the finish line.
What it does help me with is it will give me an idea of how to structure a particular loop.
So I will, I'll get in my groove of, I know how this loop works and I just use, use that same hammer to hammer all the nails.
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And then I'll run into, I asked it to make something and it came up with a little like flag trigger.
That was kind of a secondary piece that I hadn't thought of.
So I was going to search for something.
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I wanted to read what came after that until this happened.
Right.
And pick, pick up that text in the middle and my way was complicated.
And it came up with basically a collection equals true when I find this.
And then it just collected everything until collection equals false, which was found this other thing.
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And that's really nice because now I realize, oh, that's another way of doing it.
Now I have another hammer.
A hammer that's more precise or more customizable too.
Then for that job.
Right.
Well, not only that, but when I wrote it something, I wrote it for that thing.
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Now if I use that base code, I just need to change the turn on turn off triggers.
And I can use it for a whole bunch of things. Right.
So that's a much better method.
I wouldn't have found that without the next step is you can have multiple triggers to capture different parts.
Sure.
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It's fun.
What you want.
So if anything, I'm using it more as a learning tool.
Well, for, you know, asking it to give me an example of something.
And then I go, ah, that's how that would work.
And then go off and use it.
I, I, I like it for code to.
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I very much like procedural code.
And, but sometimes I'm a little bit too verbose with it.
So I'll use it to help condense down some.
But I really prefer my code to be simple.
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I want to do comp, I'm doing complicated things, but I want the code itself to be simple because I know.
That in five years, I'm not going to be touching anymore.
Somebody else is right.
Or I'm going to hand it off to somebody. I'm not going to touch it for five years.
Then it's going to come back to you.
You're not going to know how to read it. Right.
So, and I've had this happen. That's why my coat, my code is very straightforward, very simple.
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And I love white space. I will use all the white space I have.
That's free.
Yeah.
I had all kinds of dumb notes.
I had an IT group I handed something off to.
And they were making a change to it.
And they were doing something. I'm like, what's, why'd you do that?
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I said, well, your code was 1200 lines.
It was too long.
We have a rule that can't be over 900.
Like, you have a rule for that? Yeah.
So I found out. And I heard that.
So I found out where that rule came from. And I talked to the person.
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And I explained the beauty of white space.
They bought it.
So they're, they're, they're, they're.
They asked the rule that that group no longer had that rule.
That's funny.
No, I do know there's a written article.
There's a real demand and there's a real power that I haven't unlocked yet.
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I haven't spent time doing.
This guy wrote an article.
He's just a journalist type.
And he wanted a,
an app to do something custom.
You couldn't find it online.
He just wanted an app.
And he has now through the large language models made apps in four different languages.
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He doesn't know that are small apps for him to do things he wanted to do.
And that's where the real power lies.
Yeah.
And I need to learn that because I'm missing that.
I, I'm still in the mindset that I need to a script and program, but you.
Don't always.
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If like for me outside of work, if I want to use it.
To make me make me code, I will make it do almost all of it.
Uh huh.
I'm just tweaking here and there.
I still do it in sections.
Yeah.
But I give it a whole lot more specifics.
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Right.
And so it's able to populate a bunch more.
There's less code.
I even have to do.
And it is, it is nice.
I have considered.
Doing something like that for and for making an app.
Yeah.
Because I mean, if you want something on apple, then you have to learn the swift code or whatever it's called now.
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If you want to do something, if you want to do the exact same thing on Google, when you have to do it in their language that.
Just paying the ass learning all this stuff.
Set me up.
Right.
And now there are services that use AI.
To do that.
No, that's hilarious.
Somebody made a business out of using AI to help you generate so that you get, you know, it requires this, this and this.
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Do you want a database?
Yes. Okay.
Here it goes.
Yes. Okay.
Here it goes.
There's a space between you and the large language model to create the thing that you probably created.
You just learned it a little bit.
Yeah.
That's, that's actually kind of sad.
I mean, it's great and sad.
That's cool because now you don't have to be, you could be good at what you're good at.
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Right.
And leverage the AI to create something you yourself either don't have the time to learn it all, don't have patience, learn it all, don't have to wear with all or whatever.
You could do it.
So that's funny.
I think if it is a, as an enhancement.
So I can spend my time over here.
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Inlet AI do this.
Well, I think it's great, but we're still, we're still trying to figure out where it belong.
You know, where's it belong in our personal lives and our work lives in our entertainment lives.
We're still trying to say.
In our war lives.
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In our war lives.
Yeah, we're still, we're still trying to figure all that out.
And eventually just like the computer, it'll be ubiquitous.
Yes.
Yeah, absolutely.
I think so too.
Okay.
I tell you what is it time.
I'm ready to do the final third and rate these things.
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Do you have any comments for the final third?
Honestly, I don't because nothing has changed.
Yeah, we've said it.
I feel like we've got this.
I really do like this combo.
Like I said, I love what it did to the, to the baking spices.
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Hmm.
This may surprise you.
Okay, wherever I put this, I went off the live with it.
Yep.
All right.
I'm going to do what you did and scroll back to the bottom.
So you have to scroll to find it.
I don't know why I didn't do that before.
I just I was convenient, but I don't know.
Maybe there's an active discovery that's fun there.
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I think so.
All right.
Let's see.
What happened here?
That's a good list, man.
It's nice seeing this stuff.
Oh, really?
Whoa.
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Okay.
I'm not surprised and I'm surprised.
This is nice.
I was hoping it would make it into the top five.
Really?
Okay.
And don't really did it.
It made a smack dab in the middle of the top five.
Daryl put this artist spirit devil dog cast strength in the number three slides.
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It's very good bottle.
Just above the lineage, Baucona's lineage, one of your favorite bottles ever.
One of my favorites.
And the 1845 preemption reverence cast.
It almost beat the 45.
I honestly, I could see that.
But yeah, I definitely agree.
It doesn't beat the remiss.
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Oh, you may.
Yeah, right.
It's going to be hard to beat the race.
Oh, it's really going to be hard to beat that one.
So let me round out the top five on the liquors.
We got the number five garrison brother.
Single barrel number four, Baucona's lineage.
The new number three.
This one, the art of spirit devil dog number two, 1845 preemption reverence cast.
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Number one, Remus.
All you may.
Okay.
Well, Bill.
Bill cracked the top 10 with the patron anniversary series 1964 at number 10.
Number two.
So it just beat out the Rocky Patel, LB one.
But it fell just behind the part, take his heritage, which I know is a really good stick for you.
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I really love that heritage.
So I was in a quandary on this one.
So I liked that spot.
And I also thought about just above the David off, which is a little bit further down on the list.
Further down.
Yeah, I don't know that I'd have gone further down, honestly.
Oh, there's some good ones down there.
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I know.
Man.
So those were the two spots, but you know, there's just I just.
I did.
I put it where it is because that's what I thought.
Nice.
So worked out pretty good.
So mom broke to 10.
Top 10 years broke to top three.
Yep.
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So awesome, man.
Very cool.
Very cool.
Good.
Thank you.
Alright, welcome to our newest episode.
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In this episode, we will have the Padron Anniversary Series 1964 with it, Art of Spirits Cigar
Blend Del Dog.
You're hanging out with Bill and Daryl with cigars, liquor and more.
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Alright, well, the Padron Anniversary Series 1964.
This one happens to be a 4.5 x 44, the little guy.
It's a Nicaraguan Puree with a Maduro wrapper and its MSRP is $12.
12 bucks for a Padron.
So that's how you get a Padron 1964 for not 24 dollars is you buy the little one.
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It's a 4.5 x 44.
That's off.
Military and cigars.
I do believe they work.
Alright.
Alright, so.
You've had a little bit of this
before yet.
We did.
Mhm.
Let's see what the nose got for us.
Alright.
That high proof comes through.
The high proof comes through.
And it's very fruity for me.
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Like that dried fruit, not like
grape soda.
Oh nose legs.
Hang on.
Oh, yeah. And it's got good, good color too. Good. Good does. Mm. So upfront. It just
starts out fruity. It starts out real fruity for me. I love the finish though. The long
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finish. Mm hmm. It's like it's trying to hold on to your mouth as it slides down. It wants
to. It does. It achieves that. It's good. This is good. I warm as it goes down. It lingers
in the mouth for a while. The heat goes away, but there's still, there's still some flavor
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behind. It's nice. Yeah, it doesn't come off like you're a bourbon bourbon. It's got
a lot of action going on. 117.8 proof. Cast series. Cast series. So pretty awesome for
a proof for. I think we've done two of them. Have we done two of them now? I don't I know
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we've got two other bottles. I don't know if we've done all of them on the show. Yeah,
I know we've done at least one. Okay. Well, yeah, I know we've done at least one. Now,
unfortunately, their printing on the back of the bottle is near impossible to read. So
that's never going to happen. Yeah. So if I said to say it is Ephesians 613 to 17. So
go read that if you want to know what it says. All right. So this is a blend of straight
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whiskies. This is a bottle pick from ABV barrel club. So this is from all my favorite places
to go in Arnold Missouri. Because there's not really a lot of places to go in Arnold
Missouri. But this is a place to go. So the ABV barrel club specializes in single barrels,
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cast strength picks. And it's awesome. I get why you like going there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So
not a surprise. This was there. They had several of them. But what Oh, yeah, one of the reasons
is because it is finished in four square rum and tawny port barrels. So that's where you get the
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fruity. But listen to what they went through. Okay. On the nose baking spices, oak, sherry,
pellet, dried red fruit, cinnamon, rye, nutmeg. That's what it is. Cinnamon. Okay. Yep. Finish
long finished with baking spices. Yeah. Very much. Here's the blend. 55% 12 year SIB bourbon,
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20% 19 year old bourbon finished 11 months in tawny portcasc. 15% 19 year old rye finished 10
months in four square rum casks, 15% nine year old SIB rye finished 24 months in Buffalo trace.
Wow. Parents with medium bodied cigar. So I got this that is yeah. Yeah. Okay. But this, this got
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some age on it and the finishes. So no one is 110 a bottle. This is a great blend. But it's lovely.
This is a great blend. It is very, very nice. I, I enjoy this one a lot. I think the next one,
I'm going to give these guys a call. See if they come on. Sweet 117.8. Yeah, baby. That's good
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proof. Yes. Baking spices. No wonder I like the bottle. I'm a baking spice cigar. Why wouldn't
I be a baking spice bottle? True enough, true enough. And cinnamon that that is that very much
describes that flavor. Always with the cinnamon. Always with the cinnamon. What's up with that?
All right. Padron. I love what you love what you said at one point. I don't know if you
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you made it up or you got it from someone else. But got it from Fran got it from Fran. Ah,
so if if if you don't know what if you got a flavor, you don't know what it is? Probably
cinnamon probably cinnamon. And how many times that turned out true? So true. What a bit. All
right. No, but drone. The padron. Mm. Mm. Well, you already know whether it mixes well with the
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liquor or not. Because that liquor's got long finish. I'll say this. I don't think it mixes
well with the cigar. I was like, on my first drag, I was like, Hmm, this isn't what a padron tastes
like. And then I waited a little bit. I took a drink of water, took a couple more drags. And I'm
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like, there, that's what a padron tastes like. So it, it does detract from the padron. You take
it to tracks. Yeah, I do. All right. What do I think it detracts from? Yeah. What doesn't detract
from? All right. Let's go over to flavors then. Okay. And then we'll take a sip and we'll go over
to flavors again. Let me let me do a rich room chair. Got to be scientific about this.
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All right. It's radio. You got to do that kind of stuff. Got a really strong paper,
really, really strong paper and bacon spices. Definitely, definitely bacon spices. That's
what I'm going to go with. That's one of the reasons I like the padron. I'm going to make
a drink drop and a little wood a little bit. Now it takes away the paper. There are some
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baking spices, but it gives it like this harsh campfire type retro hill. I don't like it.
Oh, I haven't done a retro hill, but it, but it does, it does present a little bit,
a little bit earthy and a little more, I think it accentuates the spices. I think it makes the
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spices spicier. It might, but it knocks out the paper and adds that campfire that I don't like.
That being said, I'm still drinking. You still got to drink that and smoke this? I am. All right.
Well, do it on your side. I'm going to do some rinsing rinse though. I'm going to swap off the
two a little bit more often. All right. See, I don't think it's that bad. Okay.
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I mean, yeah, I like to, I like to bump in the spices because the spices were there, but there
were, there were little, little tang baking spice, but this just kind of amps them up a little bit.
I like it. Cool. I don't get me wrong. I don't think it's premo pairing right now,
but I like it. Retro hell in and of itself is pretty easy. I haven't done it after the drink draw.
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Got good retro hell. It brings more of the spices. I like it a lot.
You know, the the patrol in 1964 is a go to premium cigar when somebody wants to say,
a premium cigar. The first one people often say is either the 1964 or some Daviro.
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That's just that's just the norm. True. That's what you're going to go to. True enough.
It's not going to be some unicorn from somewhere else. They're going to point to one of these two.
They are really, really good. Yeah. And then I mean, the whole 64 series is is good. It doesn't
matter what the Vittola is. The 64 series is just good across the board. If I were younger, I'd say
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this slays. Okay. Now that you're not younger, what would you say? I still say slays. I pick
up the jargon of the Utes. Oh, is that what the Utes say? Yeah. Slays. Yeah. You know,
it may be on the way out though, because the millennials were saying it a little bit.
When they're from like the 2000s or something. Yeah. The millennials were saying it a little bit.
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And then it really came in for the Z's. And I don't know if the alphas are picking it up.
Alphas. You don't know what else to call them.
Great. Just great. Yeah. Why go from Z to alpha? Why not a who wasn't Zeta?
Exactly. But whatever, man. And what are we, technically?
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Gen X. Gen X. Yeah. I don't pay attention to any of this shit. You don't make sense, though,
because you had our parents generation. Yeah. You had our generation. I'm with boomers. You
got kids. Yeah. So, so I mean, so was mine. But I know why they call us Gen X. But your dad was,
your, your folks were a little bit older. Yeah. Because your dad was Korea era. Yeah.
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My dad was Vietnam era. Yes. So my dad was an older dad. Yeah.
But damn, healthy as a fucking horse. He was. Yeah, he was. Only made it to 90.
God, in his, in his 70s, he was still, still seemed like he was strong as an ox. He was.
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Because ox is just saying what they used to be.
Um, all right. Hey, he climbed a rock wall. Yeah, like 67 or something, right? Mm hmm. Yeah.
Climb that rock wall at the in, in loafers. Yeah. And shorts. That was funny. So where is? Yeah,
nobody should wear loafers in shorts. I mean, if you wear socks, you shouldn't have loafers.
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He got a on the way down. He got a standing ovation. Yeah. Okay. Andrum, M.R.E. Anything else on this?
No, I mean, there is nothing not to love about the 1964 series. Cool. Everybody,
you, you hand this to someone. Everybody appreciates it. They know how good it is.
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Boom. And I, unlike you, I think I, I kind of like this period. Hmm. Why? I'm glad. Man,
that is a long finish. Yeah, it is. You get to keep it. It's a 19 year old stuff in there. My goodness.
Or what? Two minutes you have the finish. It's not that long, but it seems pretty damn long.
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I have to wait quite a while and have a drink of water before I make a drag. Yeah. That's,
that's, that stuff's awesome. Yeah. Right. Maybe I should have gotten two of that.
Absolutely. All right. Okay. Well, we're going to come back around to AI tools. A lot of AI
entering the world, a lot of it entering our workplaces, supposed to make us more efficient
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and effective. One, but being a copy editor is what I've always wanted to be.
Correct the errors of a child. Anyway, we have a new tool that the police are using
to do reports. All right. Kids did with you, you've they either do their homework. Yeah.
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My cops are using it to do their,
do their reports. This is from ours Technica. So electronic frontier for foundation,
which is a digital rights group published an investigation into AI generated police reports.
And they alleged that by design, it is nearly impossible to audit
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these automated reports and therefore makes it easier for police to lie under oath because
we don't know if AI created or they created, we'll get more. Well, so axon, draft one,
they viewed last summer at the police department in Colorado, raising a lot of fears almost
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immediately on negative impacts of AI written police reports in the criminal justice system.
So the tool replies on a chat JPT variant to generate police reports based on body camera
audio, which cops are then supposed to edit to correct any mistakes, assess AI outputs for biases
and add key context. So this is, this is probably the crux of the issue because it's not only
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translating audio, which may be bad. And if you don't look to see what is translated,
you now have something officially in the record. Yep. As you said, that you may not have said. Yep.
And if they don't check it, then it kind of absolves them a responsibility to go, I didn't write that.
Why would you check it? You're not going to go through the whole string of audio listening to
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the audio looking at it and check. Nobody's going to do that. But beyond that, electronic frontier
foundation found that this technology is designed to stymie attempts at auditing
transparency and accountability. So the police don't have to disclose when AI is used in every
department, some departments do say they are supposed to. But the key point is, okay, so they
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don't retain different versions of drafts. So you can't assess the evolution of the report and how
the AI wrote it and how it was edited. You can't then determine if the technology made a mistake.
And the obvious is why would you want to maintain that? That's just more to sift through. Yeah,
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nobody wants it. Right. So I don't like it. No, I don't like this at all.
I really wish. I really would. I mean, they need this state. If it did not come from the officer,
yeah, because it's the officer signing the frickin thing, right, if it didn't come from the officer,
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then it needs to stay on there, this generated by AI. Right. What's the officer signing? Right.
You just signing that he was there? Yeah, basically.
So here's here's another concern they have is that it gives them sort of cover to blame the AI tool
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for any biased language inaccuracies, misrepresentations or lies that are in the report. They could go,
oh, I didn't review it. Maybe that's not what happened. And even though maybe they wanted it that way.
So don't like this at all. We do not need to add another layer of
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I don't know you want you want to call it. Okay, uncertainty. I am. I am okay.
With it being written by AI, if it states translated by AI. And then the required,
I haven't seen this. Are they required to keep the original footage in the cases of litigation,
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a crime that they intend to prosecute, right? They're supposed to keep all footage. Are they?
I don't think they are. I doubt they're keeping all footage. I thought they were supposed to.
Oh, they might be required. I'm saying I don't think they are. Oh, I don't mean I don't think
they are required. I mean, I don't think they are. We couldn't even keep 12 hours of footage of
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of a man who was theoretically suicidal. And three key minutes are missing. I don't want to go
into that right now. We can't keep video. Right. So it does seem like they're deliberately designed
to avoid audits that could provide any accountability to the public. That's what their opinion is.
This EFF and draft one software. I don't know that I would go so far as to say it was designed for
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that. That may be a high product. Okay. Well, an axon senior principal product manager for
gender of AI touted draft ones disappearing drafts as a feature explaining we don't store
original draft. And that's by design. And that's really because the last thing we want to do
is create more disclosure headaches for our customers and our attorney's offices. They said that.
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Well, yeah, I get that. He said it though. I get that. But it doesn't mean that it's specifically
designed to avoid audits. That's what it's designed for. Right. You don't disclose until you're audited.
Yeah. And the end draft will be not saying I like it. But I think it's a little bit
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of a stretch. Where how where was where where were you reading that? You don't think the second
paragraph? No, I know where you read that part from. What's that? And I wasn't referring to that bit.
I was referring to another bit. I mean, if you're avoiding keeping data is because you don't want
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disclosure headaches that the dodging of lying, the consequences of lying and blaming the AI. Yeah.
Due to its own inaccuracies, misinterprets lies. Yeah. I think if somebody does that,
and you review the footage and you find out it is totally inaccurate, then there's the possibility
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that every case that was done with one of these for that department, right, could be tossed in
those people free. Right. Right. The first draft thing I get, I get that. I mean, you don't see
every draft that they baked down. Yeah. That's true. I mean, they they type it up on a computer.
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They they could type a whole paragraph, go back and backspace out of it. You don't get every bit of
that. That's true. But I mean, in the end, the final report is what you what goes against you.
What I don't what I really don't like about it is,
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have you used Siri talk to text? Yes. You got to be slow, methodical, very specific in your speech,
separate your words, put in your commas and your periods and question marks and all that shit.
Uh huh. And we've seen police video that audio fucking sucks. It does. So how could it be filled
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with nothing but it occurs? Right. I'm not saying I'm not saying it's out and out lying,
but it will be inaccurate. Yeah, I just don't want something to be part of my record that didn't happen.
Yeah. Well, yes. But at least you do have some recourse after the fact. But everything's after.
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Well, it's the first thing that I would do if I were an attorney, I'd go after this all the time.
This is also an out for the prosecution. I'm sorry for the defense. Yep. I don't think that's good
either. No. Anyway, I found that interesting. I don't know. Yeah. So. My doctor's office, my
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primary doctor's office, the company has instituted a text to speech,
or sorry, speech to text recording mechanism. Yeah. So that the doctor doesn't have to write as
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many notes. Right. I don't like that because they're just plain, not that accurate. Well, the other
thing is the doctor's probably going to say a lot of really technical things. Yes. And unless you
have a really well customized medical dictionary, it's going to get a lot of shit wrong. Well,
hopefully the doctors of the medical facilities. Right. You may have that. Yeah.
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I'm not going to assume that. When I come back with a midpoint. Yeah. Let's do that.
See.
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at Cigar Darryl and at Bill underscore CLN.
All right, well, I'm midpointing a cigar.
Of course it hasn't transitioned,
but what maybe has moved a little bit is I am,
I guess I'm acclimating to the two,
and I'm kind of getting more of the cigar with the liquor now.
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Okay. It's a little bit better. Okay.
Do you like what it does to the baking spices?
Yeah, well, it never really harmed the baking spices.
It really just harmed the paper flavor.
Oh, yeah. Well, it's absolutely perfect.
The paper goes away.
I'm actually starting to get some paper back.
Oh, are you? Yeah.
Yeah. I don't get that when I drink it.
But I do like the
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accentuation of the baking spices in the cigar.
That's what I really like about it.
Yep. That's probably so many of those finishes in the rye,
right? Because it's got its own.
It's yep. That rye.
It's quite a blend, isn't it?
Oh, it's a fabulous blend too.
So you've got, not only do you have
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aged liquors, but you've got
second barrelings. Yeah.
It's just had the
pork, the rum.
I'd like to know if they were four square or seal.
It was four square.
Well, four square makes seal. Oh, okay.
It's said four square.
Because you don't get the buffalo trays too.
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Oh, and the buffalo trays.
Because seal is
a little bit more packed with flavor, I think,
than the four square brand itself.
I love both of them. Don't get me wrong.
I love just about
everything labeled four square and everything labeled seal.
So, now,
(25:13):
you got me there. I'm definitely going to like that.
Okay.
Any other thoughts
on either? You don't have with a high proof,
you become acclimated to it.
Yeah. And it's no longer a surprise.
Right. And it doesn't seem to
hang on as long as it did.
(25:34):
It's very beginning. Not this one.
This one. I mean, there's still
there's still some heat that comes on in the beginning
and there's still a long finish.
Yeah.
This is my kind of high proof right here.
This is going to be difficult to place.
Yeah, it is.
(25:57):
Yeah, it is.
The 1964.
It's just a classic.
Yeah.
I like it. Like I said before the break,
there isn't anybody that does it like a Pedro in 1964.
I don't. Yeah. I don't think there is.
Yeah. It may not like the price.
(26:19):
Yeah.
But everybody likes to stick. Yeah.
They're still getting around it.
I'm fairly certain his goal was to try to replicate
a medium bodied Cuban cigar.
Because that's exactly what this is.
Yeah.
That's only maybe a little better because it's got stronger
baking spices. It is better.
(26:40):
It is.
I love the Particisti.
Oh, yeah.
And that is wonderful.
But this has more baking spices than what is that?
Monte Cristo to or something.
Love that one is.
Oh, yeah.
So couple of cohebos.
This is a major.
It's a major.
Marker and cigar technology.
From 1964.
(27:03):
I don't remember when it first came out.
No, I don't.
But it's a it's a great blend.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
And be an a purer at that.
Okay.
You can sit back, relax,
and not give two shits about anything.
When you have one of these cigars.
Yeah.
(27:24):
This this cigar.
I'm I can't speak for everybody.
It will make your life better.
Yeah.
You sit back, relax.
An hour prior.
Hate your life.
Now you love your life.
It's better than crack.
He's you get to keep your team.
(27:46):
And you know that there is goodness in the world.
Okay.
I don't think I've anything else to say that.
Halfway point done check box.
All right.
Oh, you know, we've got we've got a plethora of AI stuff out there.
(28:08):
Oh, yeah.
I mean, it's really it really is the Wild West.
You know, it's it's much like personal computers.
Back in the eighties, probably.
Yeah, you know, not back.
Late eighties when you had, you know, a bunch of new bakers coming out and bringing stuff and and there was just so much stuff and some of it was crap and some of it was good.
(28:34):
You know, and everybody's trying to get around by having to buy Microsoft.
You know, and, you know, it's just AI today reminds me of kind of all that everybody's searching and trying to get it.
And trying to figure out where in the world does this thing fit in our life, right, and our workplace, our education.
(29:02):
Where does this thing fit?
And we had the same type of discussions and activities wrap around just a personal computer.
Right.
And just like back then, the the people who aren't growing up with it are saying, Oh, what is this?
I don't need this ridiculous.
(29:23):
And the kids are like, this is great.
I'm going to totally make this work.
So, very similar.
I mean, younger people, they can businesses with it.
Yeah, I've heard of, you know, kids who are like 12 to 14, creating a business with chat GPT work.
I don't know what they're doing. I haven't really looked into them.
(29:45):
I should.
Yeah.
They're making good money. They're making good money.
Okay.
And here we are just trying to get it to say something stupid.
Yeah.
Well, no, I use it.
I will.
I will tell it the general basics of, you know, I want this programming language to do this.
(30:08):
You know, just give me a little snippet of code.
Right.
Yeah.
And, you know, I'll talk it through fine tuning it.
And then I'll take it. I'll just set that off to the side.
And then talk about, you know, ask something out.
And what I'm trying to do is lay out a document where I can hand it to a developer and say,
(30:36):
these are the things that I want.
I want it to have these capabilities.
Right.
And if you see a bit of code, you can read code.
Yeah.
Makes it a little simpler than trying to read up, you know, just a descriptive document.
Right.
Okay.
Let's face it. Most of those descriptive documents aren't descriptive enough.
Yeah.
(30:57):
Well, one of the guys who I played disc golf with, he's a programmer and he says, any more,
he only does about 10% of the programming he used to do.
Most of it is asking AI to generate a base and then correcting it and fixing it.
But that's only 10%.
And so he's like, he wonders.
(31:19):
He goes, you know, I wonder in five years if I'm not going to be retired of the coding.
It's 10% of the coding, but you still have to debug it.
Right.
Validate, do validation, things like that.
But even he is wondering if he'll have a job in five years.
I mean, he's been doing this for 20 years.
Yeah.
(31:40):
I'm not a, I'm not a developer.
I, I, I put data together.
Right.
And I'm a scriptor.
I put nonsensical data together.
So I, I think I'm okay for a while.
Yeah.
Yeah.
If anything, I might get more productive because my tiny little things that achieve speed advancements in my work are probably more valuable than the vibe coding where they, you try to create everything with AI and then just go with it from there.
(32:15):
Yep.
But we'll see.
I've, I've still found that I'm right now, even though I want simple things.
I'm not good enough to know how to fix it right away.
Fixing it sometimes takes almost as much time as getting at the beginning with.
You still have to know.
You still have to know.
(32:36):
Yeah.
So whatever it is, you still have to learn and know.
In order to be able to make it.
Now what?
Take it over the finish line.
What it does help me with is it will give me an idea of how to structure a particular loop.
So I will, I'll get in my groove of, I know how this loop works and I just use, use that same hammer to hammer all the nails.
(33:02):
And then I'll run into, I asked it to make something and it came up with a little like flag trigger.
That was kind of a secondary piece that I hadn't thought of.
So I was going to search for something.
(33:24):
I wanted to read what came after that until this happened.
Right.
And pick, pick up that text in the middle and my way was complicated.
And it came up with basically a collection equals true when I find this.
And then it just collected everything until collection equals false, which was found this other thing.
(33:49):
And that's really nice because now I realize, oh, that's another way of doing it.
Now I have another hammer.
A hammer that's more precise or more customizable too.
Then for that job.
Right.
Well, not only that, but when I wrote it something, I wrote it for that thing.
(34:10):
Now if I use that base code, I just need to change the turn on turn off triggers.
And I can use it for a whole bunch of things. Right.
So that's a much better method.
I wouldn't have found that without the next step is you can have multiple triggers to capture different parts.
Sure.
(34:31):
It's fun.
What you want.
So if anything, I'm using it more as a learning tool.
Well, for, you know, asking it to give me an example of something.
And then I go, ah, that's how that would work.
And then go off and use it.
I, I, I like it for code to.
(34:59):
I very much like procedural code.
And, but sometimes I'm a little bit too verbose with it.
So I'll use it to help condense down some.
But I really prefer my code to be simple.
(35:21):
I want to do comp, I'm doing complicated things, but I want the code itself to be simple because I know.
That in five years, I'm not going to be touching anymore.
Somebody else is right.
Or I'm going to hand it off to somebody. I'm not going to touch it for five years.
Then it's going to come back to you.
You're not going to know how to read it. Right.
So, and I've had this happen. That's why my coat, my code is very straightforward, very simple.
(35:46):
And I love white space. I will use all the white space I have.
That's free.
Yeah.
I had all kinds of dumb notes.
I had an IT group I handed something off to.
And they were making a change to it.
And they were doing something. I'm like, what's, why'd you do that?
(36:12):
I said, well, your code was 1200 lines.
It was too long.
We have a rule that can't be over 900.
Like, you have a rule for that? Yeah.
So I found out. And I heard that.
So I found out where that rule came from. And I talked to the person.
(36:34):
And I explained the beauty of white space.
They bought it.
So they're, they're, they're, they're.
They asked the rule that that group no longer had that rule.
That's funny.
No, I do know there's a written article.
There's a real demand and there's a real power that I haven't unlocked yet.
(36:57):
I haven't spent time doing.
This guy wrote an article.
He's just a journalist type.
And he wanted a,
an app to do something custom.
You couldn't find it online.
He just wanted an app.
And he has now through the large language models made apps in four different languages.
(37:20):
He doesn't know that are small apps for him to do things he wanted to do.
And that's where the real power lies.
Yeah.
And I need to learn that because I'm missing that.
I, I'm still in the mindset that I need to a script and program, but you.
Don't always.
(37:41):
If like for me outside of work, if I want to use it.
To make me make me code, I will make it do almost all of it.
Uh huh.
I'm just tweaking here and there.
I still do it in sections.
Yeah.
But I give it a whole lot more specifics.
(38:02):
Right.
And so it's able to populate a bunch more.
There's less code.
I even have to do.
And it is, it is nice.
I have considered.
Doing something like that for and for making an app.
Yeah.
Because I mean, if you want something on apple, then you have to learn the swift code or whatever it's called now.
(38:31):
If you want to do something, if you want to do the exact same thing on Google, when you have to do it in their language that.
Just paying the ass learning all this stuff.
Set me up.
Right.
And now there are services that use AI.
To do that.
No, that's hilarious.
Somebody made a business out of using AI to help you generate so that you get, you know, it requires this, this and this.
(38:57):
Do you want a database?
Yes. Okay.
Here it goes.
Yes. Okay.
Here it goes.
There's a space between you and the large language model to create the thing that you probably created.
You just learned it a little bit.
Yeah.
That's, that's actually kind of sad.
I mean, it's great and sad.
That's cool because now you don't have to be, you could be good at what you're good at.
(39:20):
Right.
And leverage the AI to create something you yourself either don't have the time to learn it all, don't have patience, learn it all, don't have to wear with all or whatever.
You could do it.
So that's funny.
I think if it is a, as an enhancement.
So I can spend my time over here.
(39:41):
Inlet AI do this.
Well, I think it's great, but we're still, we're still trying to figure out where it belong.
You know, where's it belong in our personal lives and our work lives in our entertainment lives.
We're still trying to say.
In our war lives.
(40:02):
In our war lives.
Yeah, we're still, we're still trying to figure all that out.
And eventually just like the computer, it'll be ubiquitous.
Yes.
Yeah, absolutely.
I think so too.
Okay.
I tell you what is it time.
I'm ready to do the final third and rate these things.
(40:25):
Do you have any comments for the final third?
Honestly, I don't because nothing has changed.
Yeah, we've said it.
I feel like we've got this.
I really do like this combo.
Like I said, I love what it did to the, to the baking spices.
(40:50):
Hmm.
This may surprise you.
Okay, wherever I put this, I went off the live with it.
Yep.
All right.
I'm going to do what you did and scroll back to the bottom.
So you have to scroll to find it.
I don't know why I didn't do that before.
I just I was convenient, but I don't know.
Maybe there's an active discovery that's fun there.
(41:12):
I think so.
All right.
Let's see.
What happened here?
That's a good list, man.
It's nice seeing this stuff.
Oh, really?
Whoa.
(41:34):
Okay.
I'm not surprised and I'm surprised.
This is nice.
I was hoping it would make it into the top five.
Really?
Okay.
And don't really did it.
It made a smack dab in the middle of the top five.
Daryl put this artist spirit devil dog cast strength in the number three slides.
(41:58):
It's very good bottle.
Just above the lineage, Baucona's lineage, one of your favorite bottles ever.
One of my favorites.
And the 1845 preemption reverence cast.
It almost beat the 45.
I honestly, I could see that.
But yeah, I definitely agree.
It doesn't beat the remiss.
(42:20):
Oh, you may.
Yeah, right.
It's going to be hard to beat the race.
Oh, it's really going to be hard to beat that one.
So let me round out the top five on the liquors.
We got the number five garrison brother.
Single barrel number four, Baucona's lineage.
The new number three.
This one, the art of spirit devil dog number two, 1845 preemption reverence cast.
(42:44):
Number one, Remus.
All you may.
Okay.
Well, Bill.
Bill cracked the top 10 with the patron anniversary series 1964 at number 10.
Number two.
So it just beat out the Rocky Patel, LB one.
But it fell just behind the part, take his heritage, which I know is a really good stick for you.
(43:09):
I really love that heritage.
So I was in a quandary on this one.
So I liked that spot.
And I also thought about just above the David off, which is a little bit further down on the list.
Further down.
Yeah, I don't know that I'd have gone further down, honestly.
Oh, there's some good ones down there.
(43:30):
I know.
Man.
So those were the two spots, but you know, there's just I just.
I did.
I put it where it is because that's what I thought.
Nice.
So worked out pretty good.
So mom broke to 10.
Top 10 years broke to top three.
Yep.
(43:51):
So awesome, man.
Very cool.
Very cool.
Good.
Thank you.
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