438 3D Print Rocket Engine! plus Quorum Shade and Ron Centario

This week they discuss NASA’s 3D-printed Rotating Detonation Rocket Engine success and some space travel. They smoke the JC Newmans Quorum Shade and sip the Ron Centario 25 year old rum.

https://www.nasa.gov/centers-and-facilities/marshall/nasas-3d-printed-rotating-detonation-rocket-engine-test-a-success/

Episode Transcript

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Hey, here we are on this episode. We're gonna have the JC Newman quorum shade with the Ron Centario 25 rum. Hmm

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You're hanging out with Bill and Daryl with cigars liquor and more
Here we go this JC Newman quorum shade is a 6 by 50 Ecuadorian Connecticut shade repper
Sumerian sun groan bonder
Sumatran Sumerian Sumatran sun groan bonder and Nicaraguan fillers MSRP get ready for this

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$4
The liquor we're having it is a Ron Centario 25 rum MSRP is $50 at a duty-free shop
$75 in the States
Yeah, it's a pricey in the States, huh a little bit so it's been a year since we had this
We need more rums this year

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So there we are and I'll be honest with you
Hmm this one came from the States not the duty free. Oh you went by another one. Yeah
I went bought it other one so I didn't feel bad about drinking the other

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Okay, well in the cold draw I got something a little like an aseptic on the cold draw
And nothing else. I just like something like an iodine. I was really weird. I think you're nuts
This was Daryl's
True that this is yes. This was Daryl sneaky way of getting me to do a cold draw. He's like oh
I got this do you get that and so I did a cold draw and I'm like no I don't get that

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So there wasn't sneaky Daryl sneaky way of getting me to do a cold draw
Okay, because you know I wasn't being sneaky cold draw really
And that's where we are with that
So I
Just let I'm a little bit behind you

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Could you let before we before we hit record I did not forgot I was remiss
Or absent one of the other I
Don't know which
So what do you think of the rum?
Well, probably a lot like last time
It's got a
Heavy vanilla nose

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But it's not it doesn't smell hot at all
No, but it does on the on the lips. It does come across a little bit syrupy
Not very
Hence the phrasing of a little bit
uh
And and there is
On the very first sip there is this this sharpness

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That they kind of little bit surprises you
Uh, but you get used to that pretty quick
Uh, it's not typical in rums, but it does happen
Uh, one of the seals does that
Uh, and I really like it. So
obviously I have no problems with it

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but
Probably said this last time
Even if it's uh like you think it's a little bit syrupy on the lips. I really don't think it is
It's not a super sweet rum. This is a middle of the road
Of balance between sweet and dry. It's not really super sweet. It's not syrupy sweet
Yep, it's actually on the drier side. I just

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I'm getting a little hmm. It does go down pretty smooth though. It does
It does
This really is a good rum
There's a little wood flavor in there too
Which means they aged it. Yeah, well 25 years
It's found to have a little wood on it 25 years
Uh, which is
Not typical for a rum but is

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I don't know probably
Not unique either
Yeah, there's others for 25 years. Yeah, come on
Uh, and
You were talking about before the show you were talking about a 30
Uh that you had the option with as well by only saw in the duty free shop. I've not seen here in the states
Yeah, no, I haven't seen 30 others

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But
Haha, yes, it is in the states because it's s rp in the states is 95 and it was 70 in the duty free shop
um
That being said
I
Don't want to be too mean to run centaario. It is a
Basically solid rum. Yeah, but I think it needs to be aged more to taste really good

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The the lower age ones are a little roughish
and until you get to maybe
12
8 8 to 12
Is it like a breakpoint?
Uh for wrongs ceteria. Yeah
Okay, and that all wrongs
I'm
I'm not gonna argue with you on that. Um, I think it depends upon

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What you like in a run. Yeah
What I think it really comes down to
I have
I have absolutely no problems with ronceterio
Any of them any of the wrongs ceterios?
In fairness, I haven't had the 30
um
But yeah of of the various ones I do really like the 25

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Sure
And I like the 25 better than 12
That being said the 25 is only slightly better than the 12
But the 12 is a lot better than the 8
Uh, you compare you you compare the lower grade rums to you know, like lower lower grade floor decana
I'm probably gonna choose the floor decana

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Yes, I would too. I think the floor decana is better at the same age
But I but I think that yeah, I did that but I think this 25 run stereo
Uh, you could stack that up against
A lot of rums right right it's pretty pretty good. Yeah
Especially at the 50 price point

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Uh, yeah, yeah, since you're gonna have to spend 50 for it now you got to compare it to other 50s
And then it has some serious competition. Yeah
And if you're talking about a 75 dollar bottle of rum
It's got real steep competition very yeah, yeah, yeah
But it does have some really good flavors in it. It does

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Okay, um cigar
budget stick back to the budget stick
this this quorum is
A good cigar from jacie newman four dollars
Great christ point two. I mean great entry point for people who are trying cigars
Early on and don't want to spend 10

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$15 on a stick or even eight right you can you can get one
It's a good cigar. Oh, this is uh
This is the shade to remind you
um
And it's just going to be a good start
It's a good start. It still has flavors
Right. It's not just bland. It does have some flavors to it

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Yeah, but it's it's nice and easy on the palate
Uh, you could work out and you could be out in the yard and have this stick and if it got squished
You're okay because you only spent four bucks on
That too, right
Now let's talk about the flavors because it isn't boring. There is a lot in here

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unpack it for us. Okay, so
so
Up front it's mild
And so the baking spices that are present are mild
So it's not real strong. I'm not going to call this a wood or an earth cigar. This is still a baking spice cigar
and
It's going to have that kind of flavor

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On top of that
The retrohelt is pretty mild
Really nice and adds in
Even more baking spices. So this is kind of right up my alley for a budget stick
Do you get a little graphite in it?
Yeah, there is a dryness and that's yeah
I think I would go with something like that. Yeah, okay graphite or yep some sort of a mineral. Yeah. Yeah

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Uh, that that's what I get mostly on the back end
It is is where I get that I have not done retro
Oh, it's very nice and
And I my primary on the retro is is like nutmeg it adds
It adds considerably to the baking spices. It's very nice

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Yeah, it comes through more baking spices, but there's almost like a baby powder there too
Yeah, that's the dryness that comes through and
A real nice start it lit up without having to really settle in. I like that in a cigar a lot
Oh, yeah, a lot of times that's an indicator of whether or not you scorched it when you lit it. Yeah, how you lit it. Yeah, so

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But sometimes you can light it delicate and it's still like mmm give it a second
but
For the most part it's it's you
If it starts that way for the most part, it's uh, you you heat it up too much
You see people go through a ritual when it comes to cutting and lighting. Oh, yeah

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There are some people that don't they just they just cut it wherever and just scorched the hell out
Right, but but then there are people that go through a
Process with how they cut and like the cigar and I think those people tend to be
Have more success in an even burn. Yeah and consistent burn. Yeah

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And arguably consistent flavors. I don't think a canoeing
Cigar is really gonna wreck the flavor of it, but I think it throws a slight imbalance there
Yeah, and then it takes away from your relaxation because now you're thinking about and correcting and messing with the cigar
Yeah, and I do we don't want to do that
And I do
No, we don't want to do that at all

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Nice ash
The drink draw is very nice. I think it adds to the cigar very nicely
the sweetness in the rum
Just goes right into the cigar draw and it's very nice
Try good. Go go go go get yourself one. I need I need I need any more rum. Oh, you already? Wow. You you like that rum

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but
In fairness, I
There was a like pour in there. I'm sorry. I didn't pour it. Sorry. I put
It from the top not the side and so I guess I went yeah, you couldn't see yeah, I couldn't see the volume and this is a glinkarron esque
Glass it's a tulip glass. I guess yes the new one from bourbon real talk shout out to randy

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And uh, yeah when you're looking down on this
You can't really tell you know what the volume is
Harder. Yeah. Yeah, so let's chew of a lot of glands because they are wider at the bottom. So yeah, sorry
I'm sorry I had to report so quickly
But I really do like the drink going with not a problem

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Yeah, yeah, nice
So how many points do you think I need to have the flight first class first class
to england?
Inland 75,000 I think 50
I think you get 25 for a regular fight 50 would be a first class flight domestic
I'm going to throw on another 25 for international

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Okay, do you know how did was this a test? Do you know? I don't know. Oh, you just want to guess
I don't know but I'm at 400 now 400k that should do it
Think that well you just said something 50
Yeah, so 400 will totally do it
You should be able to get one for 400
one or two

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For 400 you better get two because if I it shouldn't be over 200,000 if I got first class
And the wife didn't she would not be happy with that would not be a good vacation. No, no you wouldn't do that
I would do that
I mean they are your miles

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We're both on the card we both oh, okay collect the miles
Um
Yeah, but that's that's what that's what we've been saving our miles for is
is
for first class
tickets, uh-huh to uh to england
uh, we're thinking about taking a you know taking a couple weeks and

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Joia wants to do the the British Museum each the Egyptian sure museum
Because of course the British has more good Egyptian stuff to see than
Egypt does
It's what happens when you sell it cheap
and
You know and then we will both kind of like to go into uh go into Ireland and Scotland

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Mm-hmm
So, you know, we're we're thinking about you know incorporating a driving tour while we're in it
So rinse rinse a vehicle and you know
Drive the north from London
so but
How many miles does it take? I don't know you'll have to let me know
Oh, so we were thinking about maybe doing that in 26

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Oh, okay, so
Really planning
Not to the point of picking things out
But you know getting a rough idea of what it is that we that we want to do
and with my uh with my new vehicle
We're also talking about you know take taking some uh

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Long weekends and going somewhere, you know written in rv going somewhere now that you can pull it
Now that I can pull a
Decent sized one. Yeah, and uh, you know stuff like that
I look forward to hearing about your adventures
I'm sure they will both be awesome and suck

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Suck because you don't like driving
Well, no because there's always a portion of suck in a vacation. Well, yeah, it's a bad stuff that happens so you gives you the stories
Yeah
That that's how I that that's how I knew when we picked you up at the airport from your uh, italy trip
And when you first saw me you didn't say hi. You're like, oh, you wouldn't believe it. Yeah, it's like good

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Oh, there's some good stories here here we go
Yeah
Yeah like that
Awesome
Do you have anything to add just a car?
Not at this point. No, okay. I just want to wrap up the intro
We might as well talk about the band for a moment. Yeah

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So it's I mean it's it's really
Kind of playing it's it's old school and yet. Yeah, it's yes
It's it's got an old school field to the band. It's got this great big huge queue on it
and then a
Banner across the middle of the queue that says quorum. Yeah

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It's
But it stands out even though the background the center of the queue
Is a dark brown
with some gold
Leaping around it and and the banner is dark brown
Uh, it's still the band still kind of stands out. It does

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There's there's a red that surrounds the word quorum and then there's a beige general color
It still pops, but it also says i'm basic
It really does it says i'm basic, but not bad for a four dollar stick. Oh
Plus
When it comes in with all these baking spices and it's like hey not boring

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I mean, I'm all on board
And I I love the Sumatra sun groan binder. You don't get a Sumatran binder that often. No, not that often
Uh, usually that's a wrapper and the and the Ecuadorian Connecticut shade. I think
Is is getting more
Common almost in the in the right you're a Connecticut sometimes it feels like probably not true

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I mean, I think the Connecticut is still king
Yes, but definitely feels like it from the ones that we keep buying feels like the Ecuadorian is
Really making more market share. Yeah
I think so feels like feels like it to me
That's okay. That's great. That's okay. We're we're here for you to express those kind of feelings

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Not many others, but those
All right. Well you brought this story to me
Yeah, so this comes from nasa.gov, but you can find it just about anywhere
nasa
Has produced a workable
3d printed rotating detonation rocket engine

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And they tested it successfully. Mm-hmm
This is uh
This is pretty exciting news. Why why don't you go through the article? Okay, I'll interject at certain points. Okay, uh,
the I'm
I am
Highly excited about this development

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Okay, the rotating detonations were first experimentally observed and analyzed in 1957
In the Soviet Union and the United States
With a long
Intermission during the sixties to nineties so we ignored it for a while
The concept was born out of theoretical studies on detonation waves and rocket engine combustion instability

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in the Soviet Union bv
Voice deck house key
I know why did you read it while the United States
Uh j a nickels at the university of michigan developed the concept while studying tangential
combustion instabilities in liquid rocket engines
so

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We've we've had both
solid fuel and
liquid fuel
missiles rockets
Uh
We've even in in the world there have even been
detonation type
missiles
Uh the v2 being the first one. Yeah was a detonation type not a rotating detonation

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but detonation type
the difference between
uh the rote the the plane detonation and the
Or the intermittent detonation and the rotating detonation is that the the the rotation happens around
the combustion chamber
So it's times to happen around the combustion chamber and

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Uh, and you can have more than one you can have you can have you know
Just one go around in a circle. You can have two following each other
Uh, but there were there are a lot of complications
Uh involved in it, but they were pretty sure
Way back when that it could provide
more thrust with the same amount of fuel

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and uh big reason for the gap
Is
All of the all of the experimentation all of the development was around more
Solid and and you know, uh dual stage fuels
Uh, you know for things like the the nuclear program and and uh ballistic missiles. Yeah ballistic missile type stuff

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um
So but it's it's nice to see that the thought is there
Um, it has been thought of for you know space exploration for a while
But since we already had the developed technologies of the other types
Uh, you know, that's what we used for space exploration. So it's now this

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doesn't just have to be
for you know
Listing off launch pad going into space
Uh, you could put
small
rotating detonation engines
On you know things that are coming in to land on a surface
Right, you don't expend all your fuel

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Or most of your fuel just getting down. Mm-hmm. You know you can conserve that and still get the output that you need
Uh, as what is it on the lunar program?
You know the the lunar module used the mass majority of its fuel just getting down and had enough left to lift off and do a little maneuvering
Yeah

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I if you went outside your window
There's a chance you're not doing anything. Yeah
for long long time
So, uh, this type of technology has a lot of applications that you know
Can advance us quite a bit in space. So that's why i'm excited about it

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So continue on please. Okay. So nasa has achieved a new benchmark in developing an innovative propulsion system called the rotating
detonation rocket engine they of course everything as an acronym. Oh, of course rd re
Engineers at nasa's marshal space flight center in hundsville, Alabama

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successfully tested a novel 3d printed rd re for 251 seconds or a little bit longer in four minutes
producing more than 5800 pounds of thrust
That kind of sustained burn emulates typical requirements for a land or touchdown or a deep space burn that could set

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uh, spaker on course from the moon to mars
All right, so
rd e's uh first hot fire test was performed at marshal in the summer of 22
So kind of old i'm not sure why they did so long to publish
Uh, and that was in participation
with in space llc and perdue university both in lafayette, indiana

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That test produced more than 4,400 pounds of thrust for nearly a minute
the primary test of
Uh, sorry. I'm sorry the primary goal of the latest test
Is to better understand how to scale the combustor different thrust classes
supporting engine types of all types of maximizing the variety of missions

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It could serve
looking for landers
upper stage engines to supersonic retro prop propulsion
deceleration techniques could land larger payloads or people on mars
so this
This article doesn't tell us
anything about

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What type of material they use to 3d printed?
Right when you think to your 3d printing you think plastic but we can 3d print more that we 3d print metal we can print concrete
So, uh, I think it's time to take a break. Oh sure
Let's do that. So let's do that. We'll be right back
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All right mid midpoint
What do you think it's cigar liquor right now? So no transition on the cigar no transition on the liquor
I find it funny to say that yeah
Uh, but I I think i'm getting
more of the

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uh
More of the graphite
Then I was at the very beginning and I like it. I like the graphite flavor. Mm-hmm
It's still it's still a mile baking spice cigar. Mm-hmm. Absolutely
But for four dollars definitely not gonna argue with it. Oh, you know, I bought a bundle of these ain't by two, right?

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I know
so they the
And what's nice about getting a bundle of these cigars is you can try it with the multitude of spirits
Yeah to determine what goes well with it. Yep
So and I don't know about you, but just about everything I've tried with it goes great

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Yeah, yeah, you know and and I've I've had some, you know 117 proof
uh, you know lone elm
and I've had four roses at at you know, 90 proof or whatever good. Yeah, and
No matter what it just goes well. Yeah
I
Think the big thing about it is

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The cigar doesn't have a long finish anyway
so as as you're as you're
You know doing a draw on your cigar and you're doing a sip of your spirit
Nothing gets in the way
It's all just kind of there and it works out really well
Yeah, I would agree well

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Normally I will pair
I sweet rum with a bold cigar
But I wanted the I wanted the vanilla
I wanted a strong vanilla with this because it is a baking spice cigar
And I am loving the way it goes together
It does it goes well. I'm really liking this combo
uh with the

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Some of the others that I have I need to try it with some of the other rums
Because I haven't all this time you haven't tried everything. I've not tried it with a rum. We only have 10
I've not tried it with the rum still
Oh really? Yeah, so I need to I need to do that and you know like the the runs of copper that I got in there

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I think that'd be great with this. I think it would be too
so, you know
If you're gonna give people recommendations, you want to know this kind of stuff. Oh, yeah
Yeah
Yep, so I I'm loving the midpoint
Uh, the biggest spices are great with the rums
And uh particularly great with this one. I'm really liking the way it's going

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So are you warming up to the wrong scenario 25?
Yeah, I mean don't get me wrong. Like I said
When you're comparing a 50-dollar rum, I know to other 50-dollar rums. It's a tough competition
This is a great rum
But would I pay 70 for it in the states all day?
No, no, I would not

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But it's nice to have on your shelf and if you are coming back from a vacation and you see it on the shelf at 50
It's worth picking up. Absolutely. That's not a bad price point for this rum. Yep
Would I like it better at 35?
Would it be able to compete better with other 35-dollar rums? Oh, yeah
Yeah, oh, I I think it would compete really I I think it would be high in the pack at 45

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Yeah, so
That's that's where it is. It's it's good. It's a tough compare at 70, but it's an easier compare 50
But I do still think it gets edged out by a couple of their 50-dollar rums
I agree arguably some 30-dollar rums would edge it out
I know I'm gonna have to rank this against my montano

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Whom you know I adore. Mm-hmm. So that's gonna be a tough one and you were skipping ahead and taunting me
But I will say in in in the rumscaterio
favor
You have
I think you have a depth of flavor

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and more arguably more of a bold flavor
than you have in them than you do in the montano
Probably yes. Yes, the montano is a little sharp at the beginning as well, but not not hot sharp just
kind of a pop of flavor right at the very beginning
uh
so, you know

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a little bit of comparison could be done there and I
I think you need to give it some thought these are very similar actually this in the the montano. Mm-hmm
but
It will be oh it will be a run in the the vanilla how much vanilla is in there how much vanilla is in the montano
That's very comparable and we're not taking price into account on the rankings. No, we're not

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You like you're trying to prep me. I
I
Want you to give it a fair shake. I am okay
I am if nothing else fair
There we go. Unless you're one of my children
I
Fairness to be fair

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uh, you know, you uh, you you went through some
You go through
Struggles for years and years and years and years and years with children
Yeah, you don't go through those struggles for years and years and years with rum
Well, if you do then you yeah, you need to join a program. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I understand there are steps involved. Yeah. Yeah

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Okay journey of a thousand miles begins with one step or something like that. Yep
And hopefully it ends at 12. Oh, come on you go beyond
We just keep taking the same 12 steps
Uh, oh, well, you know just to wrap up the article
Uh, yes
The rdre enables a huge leap in design efficiency

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It demonstrates we're closer to making lightweight propulsion systems that will allow us to send more mass and payload
further into deep space a
Critical component to nasa's moon to mars vision
Engineers at nasa's glen research center in cleveland and researchers at venus aerospace of houston, texas are working with nasa

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nasa marshall to identify how to scale the technology for higher performance so
250 seconds for
uh, you know
5800 pounds will you know have to increase
And yeah, what we what we don't know from that information is how much fuel was involved to begin with

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Well, it's supposed to be more efficient. So you would think less
um also something that's interesting is
They mentioned, you know once ignited it doesn't require
Constant ignition and i'm like, but what what rocket does i didn't i wasn't sure why they mentioned that
Do you know why they mentioned that?
uh

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Well, it doesn't mostly because of the rotary design out of it
uh because the the
Mixture that's in there. Yeah is in there you do it. You're doing a poof of the mixture. Yeah
uh, and the
What's going on in the combustion chamber ignites that
Poof, right, but isn't that how most rocket engines function

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Aren't they once they lit they're lit like a firecracker? Yes, but not with a detonation engine
it with with a with a single what with a
Non-rotating detonation engine generally you have to ignite each
Really?
Oh, it's not it's not a constant

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thing the way that the way that this works
Uh, you you keep the conditions in the combustion chamber
Going to run your combustion. Okay, so the main ignition sets it off
And then you're just going after that until you stop the flow
So could a weak analogy be like a regular combustion engine versus a diesel?

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Uh where once the glow plug is glowing. Yeah, it just constantly ignites once the pressure is achieved
That's not a bad analogy. You gotta keep sparking a regular engine. Yeah, it's it's not a bad analogy at all
Okay, keep in mind. I am not a rocket scientist and I do not play one on tv. Mm-hmm. Uh, this is just
Bill opinion from whatever it's closest analogy. You could make I don't have a lot of other analogies

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So, okay interesting, but it is it is a really cool technology
Well, if it's more efficient, then there you go more special with the same amount of fuel
so
That that's why they're saying you could get you know more payload
And not increase your weight
Everything's about weight weight mass. Oh, it is everything's about weight mass

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So if you can provide more
Momentum more power more energy with the same amount of mass
Right, I mean you're much better off, right?
Yeah, that's why I'm always kind of surprised when you're talking about these
large
Missions, I'm not talking about getting into low earth orbit. I'm talking about moon mars

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I'm still surprised. We're still chemical based because that is so risky. I guess you have things that can
Generate those chemicals on board
But in space, there's not a lot of material to work with
so
That's why I always thought the ion propulsion engines would be
More likely, but they don't they generate constant

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Slow thrust. They're not gonna get you off the ground. Yeah, no, they're not gonna get you off the ground
And it like you said it is slow. Yeah, it's something that has to build right and not they have they have
Yeah, be more like any stellar kind of travel people have talked about between between the moon and mars

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You know you use
You use a rocket type engine of some sort to get you going right and then you you
Then once you reach a point you cut that off you save that fuel and you use an ion
To to continue your journey to add one mile per hour as you go. Yeah

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So I don't know I I don't know the answer to that but I I think
I think to work that out more
We need to have a better platform in space in order to be able to test those things
Yeah, that's one of the things they were talking about the chinese space station the international space station

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The russian space station none of that was designed for doing
Experimentations beyond
Yeah, I think what they need is they need an orbiting platform around the moon where you have a lot less gravity and
Use that as a launching platform. I think that's probably the goal. I'm sure that's you know

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Intermediate steps like that are gonna need to happen. Yeah
Uh with what's going on with blue origin and space x
Uh, we are
You know more than getting to the point of
Really being able to make as efficient as possible getting up there getting past the earth

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Or getting a three thousand miles an hour. That's the key
So I I think we're getting much more efficient at doing that much more confident in it
and
You know, maybe maybe what you need is you know, something like the the heavy booster from
You know space x yeah something like that

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to to get
All the stuff that you need to build
Up there. Yeah, and then you build and you you work from that. I don't know
Yeah, but uh, it would it would be nice at some point
to hear that we're putting up a platform
in space rather it be
You know high arth orbit or orbiting around the moon or something to where we start experimenting with

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Going past that right right right right because
Really the furthest man has been has been 250,000 miles. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Yep. Yeah
Why why haven't we just really if you
And that was that it's only 10 times around the earth was when none of us were born

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You're right right nobody's really been back. Yeah, so
We'll see we'll see but I find this type of tech
fascinating
because uh, well, I find space exploration fascinating
so I'm fascinating I
Like all the research that comes out of it that we then use

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I'm just gonna go with velcro
but
My boy bo it does make you wonder
You know how much value is it compared to all the problems we already have right here
at
zero altitude
If we were to mine asteroids for minerals
We will which we will is there an environmental component there? Are that's the good point, right?

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there's very little environmental impact and the uh in the cloud of
asteroids between here and Mars. Yeah, so
Why not?
Right. If you if you can get the technology you need
To survive in advances of species right and not affect the climate in which you live in

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Why not?
Right. So that I get wouldn't that be worth that I get the money you spend that part I get
That part I totally get because
because yeah, we
We we're gonna need to mine
Those and those are going to have vastly different chemical compositions then all of our dirt that we have to sift through

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to get the things we want
Well, and we also don't know
Really what a what a large scale lab for medical purposes could do in a zero g environment
Right, we've run tiny little experiments. Yeah, but what's going to happen if we have a platform where we could do large scale experimenting

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In combination with AI
And you know develop cures for things we never even thought were curable, right?
So
It's got possibilities. I mean, that's all pie in the sky stuff
But we're thinking about it
Have you ever seen the tv show the expanse?

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No, so the idea is
we have
We have colonized Mars
And we have sort of colonized the asteroid belt
And they call the people who live on the asteroid belters
And then what ends up happening is earth is it or with Mars people and the belters are

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Unhappy that's what they call the people who live in the belt. The belters are unhappy with the way they're mistreated
And we just recreated more of what we have on earth out in space
And because we're talking about people. Yeah
And I think the expanse
I think does a pretty good job of envisioning what it would look like

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Once we do those two things we start mining the belt and we colonize Mars
I would almost think
so if there was a
Equal footing of technology and rnd
For war machines between the earth and Mars. I would almost think that

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Mars would have a really good chance of winning because it has a whole lot less
To overcome to send shit at the earth. Right
And that is a big point in
not that exact point, but
Mars isn't
incapable

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They are a substantial
Uh
Force to be dealt with from the earth, but you know, let's get to that point then deal with the politics
Yeah, and you know, that's kind of what it is about. It's a it's a political tv show
But it was really good. You should watch it. I don't know. I I like

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I like space exploration. I was
I was excited when the space shuttle came out
Yeah, we were like in sixth grade when they launched you know and
All I was I was sad rooms watched it. Yep. I was sad that they they never
launched stuff to be able to build a rocket to

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Attach the space shuttle to in orbit and send it to the moon
Because I thought that was the next logical step, but it never happened. No, apparently it wasn't the next logical stuff
Well, some of our problems with the shuttles were you know, just getting them off the ground. Yeah, so
Built by the lowest bidder. Yeah

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They uh, you know the flying brick as they call it. Yeah
Yeah, yeah to call it a glider is being generous. That was generous. It did not glide
It had speed advantage the only reason why I call it, you know, I
you know, so I built model rockets as a kid and
Nothing flew worse than the shuttle. No, I bet the uh, you you would put

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So they had engine classes abcd
until
Nobody really went above d for you know casual
uh
Hobby, you know, we're after that you kind of have to notify people
Um, right. Yes and no, but or at least have a but the uh license the space shuttle
uh version of space shuttle rocket

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I put a uh a c engine in the strongest engine you could go without increasing diameter because the d's were a different
diameter than the ab's and sees well bees and sees and
the
The thing that was funny was you would you would launch a rocket
It would have a delay before the ejection of either the parachute or a streamer to something to slow it down

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and invariably the
The space shuttle was closer to the ground when the
uh
Parachute was deployed than any other rocket that I had
I know from a hobbyist point of view this the
What did you have as a part of this right you had the shuttle part

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Did you have that did you have the the two side? No
Middle what was it?
It was it was just a single just a single and it was not trying to emulate the
the
Shuttle it was just putting up a rocket and it was
It wasn't it didn't seem to be heavier than any of the other ones

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It just didn't go as high with the same engine
Wasn't his aerodynamically shaped no
No, but it was pretty cool because a tube versus an airplane shape. Mm-hmm
It was pretty cool though because I found an engine that I could put in it because I said as I said the head ratings

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of the you know amount of
Thrust it had and then the delay before it ejected
and I found one
That would launch it in the air and it would come down
and it would it would not eject the parachute until about literally
40 feet off the ground

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and
It would eject the parachute by the time it opened
the rubber band would bounce
And the shuttle would come within 10 feet of the ground and then just land
Yeah
So you didn't have to go chase it because a lot of times you launch a rocket
And the wind takes it and it just you you could be you could be going neighborhoods to go find your rocket

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No, this thing went up and it came down pretty much where you launched it
Convenience yeah, and just built a convenient treasure
It was not affected by the wind it was not affected by anything it went up and it fell down
That's all it did
But it was convenient to recover because it just went right down
It would be 10 feet from you

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You take the expanded out put it put a new one in you're ready to launch
Yeah, the first the first time I I did that particular engine that would eject at 40 feet and land at 10
I was like, ah shit. Well, that one's dead because when they hit the ground at full speed
You don't generally get to reuse them. You're not recovering from that. Yeah

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Some of them will come down perfectly straight
And you can reuse them. They just have mud on the
Nose cone
But a lot of them will just break
Well, take now they should be trying to emulate space acts
to where they shoot up
And then they had to have little little puffs to keep it straight on the way down and do one thing

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Right before it hits the ground and the book. I don't think everybody's doing that with model rockets
They should that would be awesome. That would be silly. That'd be awesome. What do you mean silly? That'd be awesome
It would be awesome, but I can't imagine making that work
But it was it was one of the worst rockets I had
So not surprised that it was a brick. How much did it cost? Because even the model was a brick how much did it cost?

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so
truth be told
Nothing. I
I five-fingered it from
Oh, you bad man. It was bad. I was a bad kid
Turns out it wasn't even worth that
That's pretty cool. All right, so
Was that part of voice counts was a part of a club it was part of a club. It was like a

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It was a like a summer camp for
For people and it was um
Opus stay
It was religious organization. So they gave put a little religion on you. It's also where I learned photography. I
I learned how to develop
because I was part of the

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Kids don't have money program
and and so I
I didn't get to do model rocketry very much because
I didn't get to choose my program
And nobody signed up for photography. So it was me and one other kid
So in a way we got the best possible instruction because the you know instructor to student ratio was really good

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So I we did black and white developing and
I know you learned a lot there. I know you learned a lot because as
as uh as I was starting to delve into
Digital cameras
You were teaching me
Yeah, because so you don't really learn about

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Aperture and shutter speed with digital cameras a lot of times they're just preset or they're they're auto
Well, our first nice digital camera was a Kodak
And you could do the point and click with it, but you could also sets
Those those things. Okay. Yeah, um
So and and that's why you that that's why when I found out that you

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knew some photography yeah, I did a little ass tutorial and it was
It is it is both basic and intensely complicated. So you know
It's a combination of the two and I still love it. Even though i'm not very good at it
Um, I'm terrible at taking pictures of people. I am good with candidates sports and uh

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And stationary objects
I
People are tough people are tough. I don't know how to tell people how to pose
That's that's the key is giving it's and it's harder to light people put light on people than it is anything else
Well
Yeah, the lighting is not the hardest part when you're outdoors. It's harder in a studio

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But arguably it could be because you either have too much light or not enough light or
Anyway, yeah
We ought to write these and
Wrap this
Wrap this episode up
We need a we need to wrap up song while we

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While we do this
So this is both hard and easy because I don't have that many rums
But
Let's see where we go
All right scroll it down to the bottom so I can there is no bottom. It's all on screen
That's why I was trying to make it funny

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Mmm
Damn turns out this is harder than I thought it was going to be
Yeah, same
Okay, so
All right, here you go
Not the hand off
All right
All right
so
Just so you know darrow had a whopping

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Now five rums. Yes
Uh
And
Darryl put this in the number two slots
Okay, it's still okay beat them on to on
Yeah, still didn't be I said they're in standard at it a lot
Now it's it's easy to say that we have a new top new one in the top five

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Yeah
It's true
So let me round out the top five on this because there are five of them
Number five is the robo 12 year
Number four is the kohana keela. I still have a hard time calling that a rum but yeah, it is a rum
Number three is the elder auto 12
Number two this one the wrong centario 25 and number one diplomatic old motto

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Yeah, I still love you know all those I just had a hard time
I just couldn't I just couldn't scroll it one more. I just I just couldn't I try appreciate you put the effort in yeah
well um built put his
Horms shade in the 19 spot he put it above the punch classical

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And just below the Caldwell midnight express
Which is not a bad spot. It's not a bad spot. It's pretty high
And I mean there are a couple of other places where this thing could there's some nice cigars that beat out
Yeah, yeah
Yeah, I am not a verse to a mild and I am not a verse to a baking spice

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I really not and I'm going to
Look at it. You know
in comparison of
not just the flavors but
How good the cigar is right? Yeah, so and
Budget stick and it's not necessarily around other budget sticks

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No, it's not so but it's I
I like that spot for it. Yeah, I feel like Newman gets
You know a lot of press for a couple of their lines, right?
The crown for sure absolutely, but they got other good sticks and this budget stick
Nobody talks about the quorum is a good stick. It's a very good stick

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Budget friendly good on the pocketbook
Will go with just about anything you want it to go with
Not at old fashion. Yeah, but it'll go with just about anything and
How can you go wrong?
Biden a bundle and right have a good day. Yeah, I agree several good days

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Oh, and we have several budget sticks we can recommend recommend that about so
You've got a lot of options if you're not looking to spend a lot of money
I gotta tell you one of my still one of my favorite budget sticks is the floor to Olivia
Oh my god. It's such a great stick
It was hilarious. Uh, where were we like south pager air or something?
I remember and we we leave the gate and there's a guy that's standing there smoking a floor to Olivia

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I know I'm like, hey, is that a portal? I just recognized a band and he was like, yeah
I'm like nice. Yeah
There there are a lot of good budget sticks. You shouldn't shy away from them if you you know
Whatever you shouldn't shy away. That's the one of you got to lose by trying it
Honestly, we're gonna last to lose than trying anything else. Yeah, you could try three of those

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For one try of some other stick
All right, man. No matter again