Holding Space: Amanda Brunngraeber on Trauma, Healing, and Helping Others | Conversations with a Chiropractor
In this powerful episode of Conversations with a Chiropractor, Dr. Stephanie Wautier sits down with Amanda Brunngraeber to explore her profound journey of personal healing, self-discovery, and helping others. Amanda opens up about her experiences with generational trauma, the challenges of navigating teenage turmoil, and how her work in photography evolved into a path of holding space for herself and her community.
Through candid reflections, Amanda shares how healing modalities like EMDR and spiritual practices have helped her break cycles, reclaim her sense of self, and guide others on their own journeys. Her story is one of vulnerability, resilience, and a deep commitment to creating compassionate spaces where people can feel seen and supported.
If you’re navigating your own healing journey or curious about how to better hold space for yourself and others, this episode offers heartfelt insights and encouragement.
🎧 In This Episode, Discover:
- How Amanda’s photography career became a gateway to deeper personal healing
- The effects of generational trauma and ways to break its cycle
- Practical insights into EMDR and other healing modalities
- What it means to truly "hold space" for yourself and those around you
- The transformative power of vulnerability and community support
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Chapters:
00:00 Introduction and Guest Introduction
00:56 Amanda's Photography Journey
05:06 Personal Hea
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Speaker (00:04):
Hi, this is Dr. Stephanie Wautier, and I'm the host of
Conversations with a Chiropractor.
This is not a health how to, butrather a conversation with some
amazing people I've had the pleasureof being with on my journey of life.
Think of it more like Tuesdayswith Maury, a fireside chat,
(00:25):
or chicken soup for the soul.
Grab a cup of coffee, sit back, andenjoy this conversation, a chiropractor.
Stephanie (00:41):
Today, I am joined by Amanda Brungraber, and she is a business
owner, a coach, a speaker, an author,a wellness consultant, and a healer.
Amanda, thank you for being here.
Thank you.
So, I know that you are thebusy mom of three teenage kids.
Yep.
But your entrepreneurialjourney really began in 2008.
(01:05):
Yes.
Right?
Yes.
Amanda (01:06):
What years were your kids born?
They were born in 2006, So wewere in the midst of those.
Stephanie (01:14):
Some moms probably couldn't fathom, like, starting
a business during that time.
Amanda (01:19):
I didn't try to.
almost everything I dois because of my kids.
in 2008, I picked up a camera andstarted taking pictures of them and
found this really cool, creative outletfor myself it just kind of moved.
So it wasn't like I was setout to start a business.
it's just how it happened.
Stephanie (01:38):
You were like, I want to take these beautiful pictures of my kids.
Yep.
And then that's how we met.
You took some beautifulpictures of my family.
Yeah.
That was a long time ago.
So your first businesswas as a photographer.
Yes.
And tell me how long youdid that and how that
Amanda (01:55):
bloomed and.
Yeah.
Everything happened really organically.
I also then started, how can I make thisa business if I'm going to be spending a
lot of time doing it for other people, Ineed it to be worth my time, especially
to support my family it just kept growing.
I think I did photographythrough 2015, 2016 or so.
(02:18):
about eight years it was a lot of fun.
I still shoot a lot, most of it with mycamera and most, most of it nature and
farm animals and my kids now, I mean,there's lots of opportunity for that,
Stephanie (02:29):
I see your pictures on social media and they're stunning.
They're beautiful.
Like, I think every one of usliving a life with busy kids wishes
we could capture those moments.
So stunningly.
So tell me how you got outof the photography business.
Like, how did you know it wassort of like the end of that?
Amanda (02:49):
I had started entering the wellness field and I started
using essential oils and joineda company called Young Living.
And that grew really fast.
Unaware that I had a deep passionfor wellness to begin with, I would
find myself doing baby sessions.
And wanting to talk about breastfeedingand want to talk about health things
(03:11):
or different ways they could helpposition the baby and, talking to mom.
How are you?
What do you need?
How can you be supported?
I was talking wellness,even in my photography days.
I thought that was cool.
I didn't realize it was likean inner passion anyway.
that started growing and I startedgrowing a community within that.
I had a little less, patience,for what I could and couldn't
(03:34):
accept from photography.
and photography was a lotof nights and weekends.
not good for family life.
My kids were getting older and busierso I needed something different.
And we needed to transition.
It was a great transition
Stephanie (03:50):
at the end of that time, closing your photography business.
Did you just close it quietly?
Did you reach out to peopleto say, hey, if you still need
someone, did you pass the torch?
What did that look like?
Amanda (04:03):
it was a pretty Gentle transition.
I had clients that knew I was going out.
I had wedding clients booked out.
almost 2 years at that point.
I honored all of those and just didn'ttake new clients I didn't market as
much I wasn't posting online as muchand I wasn't talking about it as
much it was this gradual thing untilpeople were calling and I was like,
(04:26):
Oh, I'm not available or whatever.
Stephanie (04:27):
yeah.
So young living and theessential oil journey was what.
Came next, correct?
Yes.
Okay.
And you said it happened really fast.
Yes.
And I read on your website that atone point you and your husband's
business called Brungraber Wellnesswith love and valor had over
12, 000 young living members.
(04:49):
It did.
Amanda (04:49):
It was huge and way bigger than I ever imagined it would be.
literally life changing.
From the business aspect ofcreating a big community.
a leadership aspect of having peoplelooking to me for how do I do this?
How do I do that?
and then also what coincided with thatwas this very personal healing journey.
(05:13):
having a business grow so fast andso quick caused a lot of my inner.
things that I had run awayfrom surface really fast and
I'm also using essential oils.
Which work within the body andthe emotions that cause me to
face things or try not to facethings that I had been avoiding.
Stephanie (05:38):
When we have kids so close together and we're not
sleeping and our body is physicallytaxed like to the nth degree.
And now you've transitionedfrom one business to another
while raising a family.
It's very easy and sometimes.
essential that we almostdissociate from our bodies.
it's so easy to putyourself on the back burner.
As long as you can keep putting yourfoot on the gas pedal, as long as your
(06:01):
body will keep going, then we keep going.
Amanda (06:04):
The power of the body and the mind to disassociate, like
there's parts of myself that.
Feel bad about the disassociationbecause it's real and it did happen,
but it was really a powerful survivalmechanism at the time and one that I
don't want to work with often anymore,I want to be aware of that now.
(06:25):
I am thankful for it in some ways.
I wish I could change parts of it.
But alongside of that,I'm also thankful for it.
Because of what it taught me, italso allowed me to build fast.
It allowed me to survive and create.
what I now know was I needed safety,I needed an environment around me that
(06:46):
was very safe, and building businessesthat provided financially felt really
secure and safe for my family, for me.
having a marriage that felt safe, havingmy children feel safe, being on the
farm felt safe, you know, all thesesafety mechanisms that I craved deeply
internally from childhood trauma I'm awareof it because I had stuffed it so hard,
Stephanie (07:13):
that is the beauty of healing and how essential oils can work with our
body I've been trying to tackle many booksabout this, like the body keeps the score
sometimes just, you know, touching someoneand, and I know, and maybe they even
know, like, this isn't because I, okay.
Vacuum too hard or lifted somethingheavy like this is an emotional thing
(07:35):
can you feel the stress in my shoulderslike, and how brave and beautiful
that you are like, I'm going to tacklethis especially as a mother, we don't
want our children to bring some of thethings to adulthood that we brought,
I know it's overused, butthat generational trauma.
Amanda (07:52):
Yeah,
Stephanie (07:53):
right?
Amanda (07:53):
And you know, it is overused.
But people don't realize thedepth of what that actually means.
Like, you were an egginside of your grandma.
To really think about that.
Like, a female is born withher eggs already intact.
That means, when she was born, yourmother, Already had you inside of her
(08:17):
when she was inside your grandmother,that DNA transfer is so wild
Speaker 5 (08:24):
and
Amanda (08:24):
generational trauma that comes with that is very real because
if you were inside your grandmother,then your grandmother was inside
your great grandmother, right?
Stephanie (08:32):
Yeah,
Amanda (08:33):
that generational trauma is actually really close and tight.
compared to what we would think, I'man independent human being, right?
But really, we have all these otherthings underneath and it doesn't
mean we have to save it all, right?
It's just because it becomes theawareness that we are more than just
this singular human being in this world.
(08:55):
We are also a result of.
All that has come before us, the goodand the hard, it's not about trying to
conquer the hard, but it's trying to cometo peace with the hard, to be able to
conscious awareness and grow from that,to have that consciousness, to say, wait,
(09:16):
I want to do this different I recognizethat it might've been a survival mechanism
that they had to use or I had to use
That came before me, but what do I do now?
Stephanie (09:27):
Yes.
this is so big and deep and profound,and I even think that on a surface
level, it's hard to think, well, mymother had me at 1973 and what was
going on culturally and what was goingon in the world and in her relationship
with my dad and their marriage.
lately I've been tryingto give different people.
(09:48):
In my world, a little more grace toreally think about that, how did that
feel and how was that at that moment?
And then to heal from it?
Yes.
Like, where did you begin?
Amanda (10:01):
I want to make sure I do not glamorize this
Stephanie (10:04):
Yeah, because
Amanda (10:04):
It was really dark.
Stephanie (10:06):
Yeah.
Amanda (10:06):
it was a moment, maybe a series of moments, but I had one really.
deep moment, esoteric moment,if you will, of Really, really
dark, like, is this where I wantto be literally in my human body?
Is this where I want to be?
And my grandmother, I could feel herpresence come in and she had been
(10:29):
passed out two years at that point.
And she said, Amanda.
My journey was done.
My work is no longer on that plane.
My work is off that plane.
Your work is in the plane, but thatmeans you need to be there to do it.
And you can't do what you're meant tobe doing if you're not in that plane.
(10:51):
You need to be here andyou need to buckle down.
And it was just this reallyprofound realization of having
something to do in the world.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
And like,
Amanda (11:03):
what if the emotions and the suffering and the pain I'm feeling right
now, the numbness, actually is my work.
To tackle your own feelingsin the current moment.
Exactly.
Because I had pushed and strived andsurvived for so long and actually
(11:25):
considered myself, I almost egoically heldon to this idea that I was a survivor.
Speaker 5 (11:32):
And
Amanda (11:34):
it was my motivation.
Speaker 5 (11:36):
And
Amanda (11:36):
I avoided all of the darkness.
I avoided all discomfort.
I avoided all my emotions.
I avoided.
All of it, it was survival up untilthat point, and I had it all, like,
if you looked like textbook wise,
Stephanie (11:51):
Oh, look at Amanda and her beautiful family and her
beautiful children and her lovelyhusband and their beautiful farm.
And doesn't she have it all?
Yep.
Amanda (12:00):
And I was miserable inside because I was avoiding.
All of the pain, I hadn'tcome to peace with any of it.
I hadn't been able toeven begin to slow down.
I'm thankful for the disassociation.
I'm thankful that it got me to that pointI truly believe that those Wonderful
(12:20):
things, that my life looked like wereactually this really cool safety net
that provided this place for me to heal.
Stephanie (12:28):
Like here's a big home, like let's think of it in a
structural, real life tangible thing.
You build a home that is sosafe, but you had to build it.
And then be able to afford for that doorto lock and you to be in there and safe.
Amanda (12:44):
you could take that, beautiful vision that you just gave and you
could physically put it in my life.
Stephanie (12:49):
that's exactly what I did.
So was this at the height ofyour young living career or
was this on the climb of it?
Because with that many people, under you,people were probably expecting you to be.
Everything, right?
Like, hey, I need this from you.
I'm struggling with this.
So you were probably teacher,therapist, counselor, encourager.
(13:11):
Like, are you having thisesoteric moment during this?
Amanda (13:18):
Yeah, definitely.
And only a few people knew what Iwas facing at that point because I
was still having to try to maintainas much as I could until I couldn't.
Stephanie (13:29):
Yeah.
Amanda (13:29):
the beauty with that was that at that point in time, I had
a safety net financially that myhusband had come home to work with me.
Speaker 5 (13:38):
He
Amanda (13:38):
was a teacher, in the school system and he came home for about
four years and worked young livingalongside of me we were able to
redirect a lot of things to him
Stephanie (13:51):
during that
Amanda (13:51):
time.
and so that created another safety net.
And so I wasn't doing as much.
there was a deep desire from people towant to be coached in all these things.
And that's when I realized Iwas really highly sensitive.
And like empathically sensitive.
And so I walk aroundwith my spidey senses.
(14:11):
They're always active.
And so I'm really goodat reading body language.
I'm really good at sensing energy.
I'm really good at just empathicallyfeeling what's going around.
Probably based on traumafrom childhood that it was a
survival mechanism at one point.
And I could help coach people's painpoints and like, because I could
(14:35):
help discover things for them thatI was feeling and they were feeling
like I could feel pain and they werehaving in their body in my body.
Wow.
I do too.
Yes.
Yes.
Stephanie (14:48):
Yes.
And sometimes I have justhad to say, that's not mine.
huh.
100%. That's not mine.
Yes.
Please.
I think that you're much moreaware of how to deal with that.
So I want you to tell us,listeners, how you've managed it.
Yeah.
So you have this team and you'relike, I empathically am feeling this.
I'm feeling this pain in your body.
(15:10):
And yet you're simultaneouslytrying to heal your own.
Amanda (15:15):
I'm not realizing I have pain.
I don't even know I have painin my body at that point.
Stephanie (15:19):
Wow.
Amanda (15:20):
I don't know me at all.
I'm so disconnected from my physicalbody that it was like, what is happening?
I was really good atliving outside of myself.
Speaker 5 (15:32):
Really good.
Amanda (15:33):
Because, I was sexually abused.
Okay, from 14, the yearsare really funky still,
Speaker 5 (15:41):
12
Amanda (15:42):
he was arrested When I was 16.
That would have been 2002.
So I learned how to really disassociatefrom my body from that previous to that
my parents had divorced and that wasreally traumatic and hard for them and
me it was Not pretty at all then my momremarried and he sexually abused in the
(16:03):
house groomed and then sexually abusedAnd so I had no ability to feel my body.
I didn't want to feel my body.
Stephanie (16:11):
Yeah.
Amanda (16:12):
and that's where the disassociation was so powerful.
Speaker 5 (16:15):
Hmm.
Amanda (16:16):
and then there's just some kind of engine within me
that said, no, you have, Go.
Just go.
Create something different.
Like there was no ability at the timeto recognize that I was suffering.
Stephanie (16:28):
Wow.
Amanda (16:29):
And everything, so everything with the sexual abuse came out in one day.
Stephanie (16:34):
Wow.
Amanda (16:34):
public.
Stephanie (16:36):
Oh, my God, on the
Amanda (16:36):
radio,
Stephanie (16:38):
public, like went public and you were named this or people
would have known through just
Amanda (16:46):
knowing he was named.
Stephanie (16:47):
Okay.
Amanda (16:48):
And our location was given.
Wow.
But we were minors.
And so that was like, nowlooking back, really traumatic.
Stephanie (16:59):
you're 16 years old when this happens.
Amanda (17:02):
And so coming forward, I've now built a big business
where I'm seeing really well, and Ican't feel anything about my body.
totally disconnected.
and in complete response to everythingaround me like you've turned yourself
into a robot my entire reality wascrumbling because I was so numb inside.
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working alongside the oilsthey demand those things be
moved demand's a strong word.
I use demand because Iwas fighting it so hard.
They actually do it very lovingly andcoincide with our nature and nature's
nature to create a really cool symbiosis.
But to me it felt like a demand becauseI was in such a fight internally
(17:47):
that I didn't know I was battling.
Like, I don't want to do this
Stephanie (17:50):
don't make me do this yet, body, soul, spirit, come on, I've got kids
to raise, and I have a business to run,don't make me go down this road, right?
I had a moment,
Amanda (18:01):
I went to Sedona for a spiritual retreat,
Speaker 5 (18:03):
and
Amanda (18:05):
I had already been digging through my stuff.
I had already had that deep dark nightof the soul moment with my grandmother.
and I was starting to move things again.
I went to a retreat in Sedona and thoughtI was there for a business retreat.
within an hour of the retreatstarting, my inner child showed up
Speaker 5 (18:24):
and
Amanda (18:24):
got in my face around, this is what you're here to do.
And I cried.
I had to leave and I just sobbedand was like, I literally said, I
am not here to do this right now.
That is not what I, like, that'show much fight I had in me.
resistance.
Yeah.
And so it would be a long time later thatI would even begin to acknowledge that.
(18:48):
I was still acknowledgingit, but I, not aware.
I was so unconscious.
Stephanie (18:54):
and people around you probably didn't know this because
you had become an expert at theshell and the surface perfection.
My mask.
Amanda (19:04):
I had a really good mask.
A really good mask.
And I would say that I still use my masknow and then, like that's still a thing.
And I think it's part of comingto peace with myself and my trauma
Speaker 5 (19:17):
is
Amanda (19:17):
the reality that I need to wear that still
Speaker 5 (19:20):
and
Amanda (19:20):
having a really gentle understanding of myself it's not
about completely removing it.
Yeah, I think that can sometimesfeel really vulnerable and dangerous.
Oh, absolutely.
I would love to be able to livethat way all the time, but it's not.
There's sometimes that it'sokay to protect yourself.
Yeah.
And sometimes those mechanisms are there.
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That's how we survive as a human species.
Stephanie (19:44):
Yeah.
Amanda (19:44):
That's part of being human.
Stephanie (19:45):
Absolutely.
So, you come back from Sedona, you kind ofsay, I'm not ready to do this, to tackle
this, I'm going to keep moving along.
What's like the next, I don't wantto use the word obstacle, or the next
bump that shakes you enough to belike, no, Amanda, you have to do this.
(20:06):
Or, Was it slow and gradual?
Amanda (20:08):
It was gradual for a while.
and actually, life got really good again.
We are traveling all the time.
I was feeling a lot better.
I was, doing some of myspiritual inner work.
I had coaches.
I had help.
I was even considering building a coachingbusiness at that point already because
I had people Wanting the services.
Yeah.
(20:29):
And there was just some part of methat was like, you can't do this.
Like, there was just majorblocks, but life was good.
So it wasn't like I had tocreate something at that point.
and then 2020 came and like the restof the world, we all got turned upside
down and things were in our faces.
And I did pretty good throughthat, until that fall.
(20:52):
And then I started having anxiety attacks.
And I had never had that.
Like, my body's starting to scream at me.
Like, Amanda, there is something wrongand my nervous system was whacked and
alongside of a lot of other people, right?
I'm not the only oneexperiencing that at that point.
Our nervous system, even now,still, we're still, as a society,
(21:13):
Disregulated from what happened then
Stephanie (21:16):
a hundred percent
Amanda (21:17):
haven't recovered.
Stephanie (21:18):
Yeah
Amanda (21:19):
and so that started happening and I was like, okay, this is not good.
What is happening?
Why is my body rejecting me?
Yeah, that's how itfelt turning against me.
why can't I control my body?
What do I have to worry about?
I'm not in a big city Our jobs were good.
Young Living was at almost itsabsolute peak at that point because
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everyone wanted wellness products.
we had the opportunity.
We kept our kids home.
We homeschooled for the full year.
You
Stephanie (21:49):
did.
Amanda (21:49):
Yeah.
And so my kids weren't in, they weren'tsuffering through some of the things they
had their own suffering because they feltlike they were missing out, you know,
and my oldest was right at her teenage.
turning points.
So she thought she wasmissing out on everything.
Oh yeah.
Stephanie (22:06):
Her world had come to an end.
Yes.
Her mother was keeping her home.
How dare
Amanda (22:11):
you?
Pretty much.
my body was screaming at me.
I would Slide through those nextcouple of years, and then, I
was helping other people more.
I wasn't doing anything official as faras coaching, but I was helping a friend.
She had messaged me and said, Amanda,I'm really struggling with this.
(22:32):
Can we get on a call?
I was like, sure.
no problem.
we got on a call and we were chatting Ifeel like if there's anything I do well,
it's hold space for people and help themdo their inner discovery themselves.
And I just hold the container andhelp gently direct them to come
to that own discovery themselves.
And so I'm holding the space for her.
(22:53):
And we get done and she goes,Amanda, who does this for you?
And I said, well, I do, I do this for me.
She was like, Amanda.
And it was like this light bulb momentfor me of, Oh, this is probably not good.
I can do all that, readall the self help books.
(23:15):
I had hired business coaches, but Ihadn't hired someone who knew the body.
Anyone that I had hiredknew the intellect.
Yes.
Which was, like, if I take a test onskills, intellect is my number one.
that is where I feel safest.
Stephanie (23:34):
Interesting.
Amanda (23:35):
Even though you're so empathic.
Intellect is my number one,because it's what keeps me safe.
It gives me all the blackand white check marks.
it was a pivotal moment of how doI let someone else hold this space
for me who isn't in the intellect.
And isn't going to help me tryto build a business around it.
(23:57):
it would be like a year later orso, I had reached out to a few
different people who did EMDR.
Because I had read the BodyKeep score at that point.
I was like, I feel like EMDR.
Keep in mind, I'm stilllooking for a quick fix.
Stephanie (24:12):
course, we all are, we don't have time to go down a
graggly, craggly healing journey,not with as busy as we are.
Amanda (24:21):
No, not at all.
at that point I had done acouple breathwork sessions, I
had seen some pretty dark things.
about my inner world, I had done alot of meditation and other modalities
and I just wanted someone to heal me,you know, I just wanted to be free.
Yes, I wanted to skip the cocoon stageand go right to having my wings and
(24:46):
have them completely ready to just go.
Like I wanted to be in flight,like take me from this and.
Throw me off the cliff.
Would you?
Yeah, because I'll find mywings like let's do this today.
Yeah, let's get this done.
I'm willing to Make it happen.
Mm hmm.
So I
found a therapist and I was like, okay,let's do EMDR she's like, Let's slow down
(25:10):
a little bit she's a trauma therapist.
so thankfully she could recognizeall my safety mechanisms.
Stephanie (25:16):
You're like your strategies, your cover ups, your masks, your ways that
you've survived your survival mechanisms.
Amanda (25:24):
100%.
And she could see thatway clearer than I could.
But she held such lovingspace to allow me to have my.
intellectual checklist of howI thought it was going to look.
She allowed me to have that.
She also did a beautiful jobbecause alongside my intellectual
checklist, I'm so spiritual, right?
(25:46):
She allowed me to do things based onenergy and spirit and all of that she
allowed me to meld both and just hold thatcontainer without being like, you're crazy
because there was a deep part of me thatthought That spiritual side of myself was
crazy, like I was waiting to be locked up.
Speaker 5 (26:07):
Because
Amanda (26:08):
of the things that I've experienced and things that I've
seen and things that I feel.
how is that possible?
And so she let me bridge that.
Stephanie (26:17):
I'm going to ask you, on your website, you talk about Gemini,
sun and moon, Scorpio rising, and thenyou say and I give gratitude to God.
Yeah.
So for people who might thinkthere is an all or nothing, some
things energetically, emotionally,spiritually are not acknowledging God.
(26:38):
how are we holding these things together?
Do you want to talk alittle bit about that?
we're going to keep talking aboutEMDR and I want to go into that.
Amanda (26:47):
yeah, that's a hard
Stephanie (26:48):
thing
Amanda (26:49):
I was raised Christian.
I was raised Lutheran, in fact,and I went for a little while
of just rejecting all of it
Speaker 5 (26:57):
and
Amanda (26:57):
being like, that doesn't, there's something in the religion that really is
really striking me weird and feels off,albeit my history of the man that was
sexually abusing me was a pastor's son.
And so he was my pastor's son.
And so there was also somereligious dogma in there as well.
I already had this conflictingthing happening within me at
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that point subconsciously.
and it has taken me areally long time to realize.
As a human being in thisbody, I can't know it
Speaker 5 (27:30):
all, especially
Amanda (27:32):
when it comes to God, especially when it comes to
using more than what is it?
What do we use?
10 percent of our brains?
What's the studies?
It's so small.
if we start activating all of our brain.
What is it capable of?
Speaker 5 (27:46):
Mm hmm.
Amanda (27:46):
And do I really think that my brain is less
intelligent than a AM FM radio?
Or my brain, the human brainhas created internet, but yet we
deny that we could be telepathic.
How is this possible?
It doesn't make sense.
It didn't make sense logically to me.
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And so I had to.
It was so in my facethat I had to trust it.
And so part of me being human isI'm an experimenter and that's what
I've come to realize is that I'mmulti passionate and the best way I
learned is through doing it myself.
every part of my journey is reallyan experiment of learning this
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human condition and learning.
What trauma is and learning what healingis and learning what, evil is and what
good is and what is God and what is.
Perceived as not God it'sjust like what I'm here to do.
I love that
Stephanie (28:43):
I think that there would be very few people who have been through what
you've been through Especially having thatperson in a religious position who could
even come to the point of forgiving God
Amanda (28:55):
yeah.
I think that's a really hard part ofbelieving in God, is believing that
God is constantly moving us aroundlike pawns, and how can you let
hard things happen to good people?
(29:16):
If I love you so much, and youallowed this to happen to me, Why?
I don't see it that way.
I see it as, in my spiritual form,there's such a higher awareness of
what pain and suffering actually is.
(29:38):
And I think in that moment ofdarkness, it was like, how can I
find the peace within the pain andsuffering that comes with being human?
Because humanness is, in order toembrace the wholeness within humanness.
It's embracing both of it, it's embracingthe light and the dark, instead of
running away from the dark, whichwe're all really good at, that's fear.
(29:59):
Oh, absolutely.
Stephanie (30:02):
Would you say that it was through this, EMDR experience,
through this therapist experience,that you were able to come to this?
Or was that even before that?
Amanda (30:13):
I think I came into this world with that understanding.
Does it piss me off?
Yes.
Do I get angry about it?
Absolutely.
Is there grief andsadness and frustration?
And like, I want to shakesomething or break something.
Yeah, sometimes for sure.
Because my human brain doesn't understandwhy they're suffering in this world.
(30:37):
my human understanding doesn'tunderstand why I had to suffer and
why my loved ones had to suffer.
will there ever be full peace in that?
In my human form?
I don't think there will be, willthere even, even to the point that
I've wrestled with this idea offorgiveness being the end all be all.
(30:58):
And sometimes I think societysays that we're supposed to
forgive and just move on.
And I call bullshit on that.
Stephanie (31:05):
Yeah.
Amanda (31:06):
I have to forgive myself.
Hmm.
Do I have to forgive the actionsof an adult over a child?
I don't think so.
That's not my role as a child ever.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
To have that power to forgive likeI feel like I'm giving my power away
Stephanie (31:25):
and
Amanda (31:25):
enforcing her to give her power
Stephanie (31:27):
Yeah,
Amanda (31:27):
I can't forgive myself For everything that I hold
personal, I can forgive myselffor feeling like it was my fault.
I can forgive myself for thesafety mechanisms and the survival.
That's where I can find forgiveness.
and that's because I knowof my light, of my God light
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within me as a fragment of God.
Of that understanding thatconnected and that's where the
hope is that it's all connected.
Speaker 5 (32:02):
Maybe
Amanda (32:02):
I can't fully see from this vantage point right
now and I just have to trust.
And that's where my powercomes in of what can I do now?
How can I heal?
How can I see myself more clearly?
How can I see myselfmore clearly for others?
I do believe there is goodand evil in this world.
Absolutely.
(32:22):
I think there's some people thatare really trapped in that and
their skills are not balanced.
Stephanie (32:27):
Yes.
Amanda (32:28):
and so there's an acceptance of I can be angry and
I can have protective mechanisms.
Yes.
And I can take my experience because Ihave gained the understanding of my trauma
because I've allowed myself into it.
I can say, Oh no, we're not going there.
I can stand up for myself.
I can trust myself, I can alsotrust myself to ask for help.
(32:53):
I can trust myself to knowwho is and isn't safe now.
Stephanie (32:56):
Yeah.
Amanda (32:57):
All of those are the skills I've learned
Stephanie (33:02):
So this healing journey, you were like from the beginning,
given an amazing power and a gift tohave this spiritual connection to God.
Yeah.
And.
When you started to tackle this withthis other human, this therapist,
and she was able to hold spacefor you, before you even went into
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EMDR, it was probably a longer timeframe than you wanted it to be.
Amanda (33:29):
I still see her weekly.
And that I'm at like two and a halfyears of seeing her every week.
like this is a major, Icall it like the onion.
Speaker 5 (33:42):
And
Amanda (33:42):
I called that for a very long time before I even
knew that I had to do healing.
This is layers upon layersand as I grow and evolve.
there'll continue to be layers.
I think that's one of the hardest thingsI've had to come to peace with, is the
reality is there won't be a moment.
Stephanie (33:59):
Totally free.
I get the award.
I get the medal.
I'm done.
I graduated.
I'm done with this healing journey.
Boom.
Like, that's such a Westernculture thing, right?
Oh, yeah.
That is in me too.
Like the checking the boxes,the what's the next thing?
The end of our journey there.
When do I
Amanda (34:17):
get my trophy?
Exactly.
Right.
And a lot of that, for me,was laced in perfectionism.
One of my biggest masks was perfectionism.
Wow.
And still can be.
Yeah.
It serves successful people well.
It really does.
the reality is we'rein these human bodies.
we are limited compared to maybea form we've taken previously, or
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will take later on but I'm choosingto be here and show up in it.
Speaker 5 (34:45):
And
Amanda (34:46):
so that's when the letting go happens is like, I can't know all of it.
Speaker 5 (34:49):
Yeah.
Amanda (34:50):
I can't know.
And I'm gonna make
Stephanie (34:52):
mistakes.
And trusting like the experience,like I think that's really
powerful and amazing for you tobe like, I am like the experience.
Did you say experience or experimentor I am my own experiment?
Yes, like my gosh, so many of us.
We don't want to go there.
Yeah, we don't want to go there.
We want to, you know, we wantto go to work and have paycheck
(35:16):
and watch television and cheerour kids on at a game and like.
The, the acknowledgement of notfeeling yourself or not being aware of
yourself, I mean, that probably willresonate with many, many, many people,
Amanda (35:33):
and that is where my life, my multi passionate.
Course of life is taking me is therealization, especially entrepreneurs,
especially highly sensitive entrepreneurs.
I firmly believe that highly sensitivepeople are going to be our next
generation leaders and they have beenmanipulated because we're so sensitive
(35:59):
and because we're used to beingoutside of our bodies all the time
and making sure things are, that weare really good in these small roles.
Until we start learning how to trustourselves, until we start learning how
to trust our bodies and recognizingour body has things to tell us
as a mechanism for our survival.
As we start to realize we have boundariesand it's okay to set boundaries, as we
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realize it's okay to piss people offby some of the things we might say, as
we allow ourselves to make mistakes ashighly sensitive beings, we have the
ability to bring the power back into here.
And then expand, so these next generation,even our current generation of people,
we're paving this way for people whenwe find our wholeness, when we can
(36:45):
embrace our light and our dark, andwe start realizing what it is that
fuels us and what we feel passionateabout, I've seen it happen where
entrepreneurs who are floundering indifferent directions, hit these dark
nights, and they don't know what todo next, they think they're broken.
the realization is they forgot to come in.
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helping people do that, iswhere, things are going.
Stephanie (37:11):
this is now your next sort of like, And I hate to use the
word business venture, because weare talking so spiritually in such
depth, but now your role, where you'resort of putting some of your time
and energy is helping entrepreneursfacilitating this process, this progress.
(37:31):
Yeah, am I getting that?
Yes.
Amanda (37:34):
while coinciding with their nature, there's such a deep part
of me that doesn't want to skip.
The reality that we are in a human body,that we are human beings on a moving,
breathing planet the way that we groundin, like, I don't want people to go up.
I think there's a lot of really coolspiritual coaches, who do a really
(37:57):
good job of helping people do the up.
I've done the up and it served me.
But what I really want people to doand help people do is to come in and
really ground their awareness anchor in.
come back to their nature to buildfrom there to create that foundation.
And I think it's somethingmost of us haven't been taught
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because we've been escaping.
Stephanie (38:20):
Yeah.
Amanda (38:20):
We've been running away.
We've been hiding because we're soafraid of our true inner nature.
Stephanie (38:27):
When you say people going up or people can't give a give our
listeners like an example or whatdo you mean like people who are like
going to the Tony Robbins things?
Is that what you mean?
Amanda (38:39):
I think up would be a good word for escapism.
Stephanie (38:43):
Okay.
Amanda (38:44):
Even though it looks on paper, like it should be what we're doing and
the way that we should be doing it.
it's another form of escapism.
Stephanie (38:51):
Okay.
Amanda (38:52):
Like,
Stephanie (38:52):
Yeah.
Amanda (38:53):
for me, an example of that would be wanting that 10 minute fix
of just launch me out and help me healand make it great and then I'm out.
Stephanie (39:01):
Yeah.
Amanda (39:01):
and then I can, Instead of two and a half years later.
Like, I don't think everyone needs to dotwo and a half years of trauma therapy.
Speaker 5 (39:08):
Mm hmm.
Amanda (39:09):
And we don't dig into hard stuff all the time anymore.
just yesterday, she and I talked aboutmy business where I'm going my fears
around it and my desire for safetythat's the stuff that's coming up now
Speaker 5 (39:23):
and
Amanda (39:23):
how that's all related and she's helping me put the puzzle
together so that I have such a greaterlevel of acceptance and awareness
Stephanie (39:30):
and
Amanda (39:30):
self acceptance, self awareness.
Stephanie (39:33):
How did you find this amazing therapist?
I know so many people evenask me and I don't know.
Amanda (39:39):
Yeah.
I waited a year.
you have to have someonethat you jive with, right?
Yeah.
And I needed someone I could trust.
It's probably not a normal situation,but I did know her personally.
Okay.
and I don't want to name her justbecause Of course, of course.
And I'm not asking.
yeah.
She is local in the area.
I'm so thankful for her, this isbecoming, and I love that there's
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so many more people saying, maybe Ineed support and maybe I need help.
and there are quite a few placesopening, in the Marquette area.
I've seen, I haven't used it yet,but I know there's betterhelp.
com where you can, get incontact with therapists there.
Stephanie (40:19):
Yeah.
Amanda (40:20):
And so that's always, otherwise, I mean,
you have to, a couple of things thatI would look for is someone who's done
their own work or someone who can holdspace because If I would have done
what I want to do, and I did want todo it, like, six years ago, I hadn't
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done any of my own work, and I didn'thave a container to hold people in
without putting my own understandingof what my container looks like for me.
Stephanie (40:52):
self awareness is like a dot.
It's not self awareness.
it's beyond self awareness.
It's self healing, self
Amanda (40:59):
if I can't extend compassion to myself as part of
the whole collective, how should I?
Expand compassion to the people around me.
sometimes I think we're taught it goes theother way That if we have compassion for
everyone else then they'll have compassionfor us and that is just not When you're
coming from a trauma background Yeah, youhave probably lived in outer world your
(41:25):
whole life trying to avoid motor trauma.
you don't have any self awarenessor compassion for yourself.
It's like complete selfsacrifice all the time.
my brain was not wired.
For compassion for myself,self awareness, any of it.
it looked like it because Iwas in survival, but really
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I didn't know compassion.
I was surviving.
Some of the things I was doing,but it wasn't out of consciousness.
Speaker 5 (41:55):
Yeah.
Amanda (41:56):
And that's two different things.
There's survival, and thenthere's conscious self
awareness and self compassion.
they're very different.
They come from differentplaces in the body,
Speaker 5 (42:06):
even.
Stephanie (42:08):
So, As we sort of end this really amazingly beautiful and
deep and vulnerable, I'm so gratefulfor you to share this with us.
if someone wanted to reach out toyou, to hire you in their journey,
Amanda (42:25):
how will they get a hold of you?
I think right now the bestway is on Instagram, amanda.
brungreiber, on Instagram.
I have a website.
I'm building and, trying not to dragmy feet on, you know, we still, there's
still those survival mechanisms that playout where the perfectionism plays out.
I don't want to underplay that.
I've conquered it all becauseI haven't, but I do know how to
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hold space and help other people.
I'm helping myself at the same time, andthat's a really Cool part of the journey.
I would love to be an ascendedbeing on the planet, but I'm
just not there right now.
Stephanie (43:01):
Well, I think it's pretty extraordinary to hear your
journey and to hear you, talkingso freely about all of this.
I think that this is going to beso inspirational for people and so
encouraging knowing that, you'veacknowledged this healing journey and
now you're here and you're going to helpother people in this healing journey.
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it's amazing.
Amanda (43:27):
Thanks.
It feels really cool.
It also feels really fun.
And I know that mightsound weird, but it's fun.
Stephanie (43:35):
How cool that it sounds fun and that we can be passionate and excited
about that, which, I see that you are.
Amanda (43:43):
there's something really neat about holding the space for
someone to fully see themselves.
That's really cool.
and that's people.
It's also for me, plants andanimals and letting myself see
them fully It's all so related.
Stephanie (43:59):
I definitely need to get on your books.
I assume that you do zooms, callsfor people who are out of the area.
Yeah, there's no geographiclimitations to this.
Amanda (44:10):
I do have a studio in my home where I do some in
person, but I also do zoom online
Speaker 5 (44:16):
too.
Stephanie (44:17):
That's wonderful.
Amanda, will you spell your lastname so if people are looking for
you on Instagram, they can find you?
Absolutely.
It's B
Amanda (44:25):
R U N N G R A E B E R.
Stephanie (44:34):
Amanda Brungraber.
Thank you so much for being a gueston Conversations with a Chiropractor.
Thank you for having me.
It's been an honor.
Speaker 2 (44:45):
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next conversation will take you.
Hi, this is Dr. Stephanie Wautier, and I'm the host of
Conversations with a Chiropractor.
This is not a health how to, butrather a conversation with some
amazing people I've had the pleasureof being with on my journey of life.
Think of it more like Tuesdayswith Maury, a fireside chat,
(00:25):
or chicken soup for the soul.
Grab a cup of coffee, sit back, andenjoy this conversation, a chiropractor.
Stephanie (00:41):
Today, I am joined by Amanda Brungraber, and she is a business
owner, a coach, a speaker, an author,a wellness consultant, and a healer.
Amanda, thank you for being here.
Thank you.
So, I know that you are thebusy mom of three teenage kids.
Yep.
But your entrepreneurialjourney really began in 2008.
(01:05):
Yes.
Right?
Yes.
Amanda (01:06):
What years were your kids born?
They were born in 2006, So wewere in the midst of those.
Stephanie (01:14):
Some moms probably couldn't fathom, like, starting
a business during that time.
Amanda (01:19):
I didn't try to.
almost everything I dois because of my kids.
in 2008, I picked up a camera andstarted taking pictures of them and
found this really cool, creative outletfor myself it just kind of moved.
So it wasn't like I was setout to start a business.
it's just how it happened.
Stephanie (01:38):
You were like, I want to take these beautiful pictures of my kids.
Yep.
And then that's how we met.
You took some beautifulpictures of my family.
Yeah.
That was a long time ago.
So your first businesswas as a photographer.
Yes.
And tell me how long youdid that and how that
Amanda (01:55):
bloomed and.
Yeah.
Everything happened really organically.
I also then started, how can I make thisa business if I'm going to be spending a
lot of time doing it for other people, Ineed it to be worth my time, especially
to support my family it just kept growing.
I think I did photographythrough 2015, 2016 or so.
(02:18):
about eight years it was a lot of fun.
I still shoot a lot, most of it with mycamera and most, most of it nature and
farm animals and my kids now, I mean,there's lots of opportunity for that,
Stephanie (02:29):
I see your pictures on social media and they're stunning.
They're beautiful.
Like, I think every one of usliving a life with busy kids wishes
we could capture those moments.
So stunningly.
So tell me how you got outof the photography business.
Like, how did you know it wassort of like the end of that?
Amanda (02:49):
I had started entering the wellness field and I started
using essential oils and joineda company called Young Living.
And that grew really fast.
Unaware that I had a deep passionfor wellness to begin with, I would
find myself doing baby sessions.
And wanting to talk about breastfeedingand want to talk about health things
(03:11):
or different ways they could helpposition the baby and, talking to mom.
How are you?
What do you need?
How can you be supported?
I was talking wellness,even in my photography days.
I thought that was cool.
I didn't realize it was likean inner passion anyway.
that started growing and I startedgrowing a community within that.
I had a little less, patience,for what I could and couldn't
(03:34):
accept from photography.
and photography was a lotof nights and weekends.
not good for family life.
My kids were getting older and busierso I needed something different.
And we needed to transition.
It was a great transition
Stephanie (03:50):
at the end of that time, closing your photography business.
Did you just close it quietly?
Did you reach out to peopleto say, hey, if you still need
someone, did you pass the torch?
What did that look like?
Amanda (04:03):
it was a pretty Gentle transition.
I had clients that knew I was going out.
I had wedding clients booked out.
almost 2 years at that point.
I honored all of those and just didn'ttake new clients I didn't market as
much I wasn't posting online as muchand I wasn't talking about it as
much it was this gradual thing untilpeople were calling and I was like,
(04:26):
Oh, I'm not available or whatever.
Stephanie (04:27):
yeah.
So young living and theessential oil journey was what.
Came next, correct?
Yes.
Okay.
And you said it happened really fast.
Yes.
And I read on your website that atone point you and your husband's
business called Brungraber Wellnesswith love and valor had over
12, 000 young living members.
(04:49):
It did.
Amanda (04:49):
It was huge and way bigger than I ever imagined it would be.
literally life changing.
From the business aspect ofcreating a big community.
a leadership aspect of having peoplelooking to me for how do I do this?
How do I do that?
and then also what coincided with thatwas this very personal healing journey.
(05:13):
having a business grow so fast andso quick caused a lot of my inner.
things that I had run awayfrom surface really fast and
I'm also using essential oils.
Which work within the body andthe emotions that cause me to
face things or try not to facethings that I had been avoiding.
Stephanie (05:38):
When we have kids so close together and we're not
sleeping and our body is physicallytaxed like to the nth degree.
And now you've transitionedfrom one business to another
while raising a family.
It's very easy and sometimes.
essential that we almostdissociate from our bodies.
it's so easy to putyourself on the back burner.
As long as you can keep putting yourfoot on the gas pedal, as long as your
(06:01):
body will keep going, then we keep going.
Amanda (06:04):
The power of the body and the mind to disassociate, like
there's parts of myself that.
Feel bad about the disassociationbecause it's real and it did happen,
but it was really a powerful survivalmechanism at the time and one that I
don't want to work with often anymore,I want to be aware of that now.
(06:25):
I am thankful for it in some ways.
I wish I could change parts of it.
But alongside of that,I'm also thankful for it.
Because of what it taught me, italso allowed me to build fast.
It allowed me to survive and create.
what I now know was I needed safety,I needed an environment around me that
(06:46):
was very safe, and building businessesthat provided financially felt really
secure and safe for my family, for me.
having a marriage that felt safe, havingmy children feel safe, being on the
farm felt safe, you know, all thesesafety mechanisms that I craved deeply
internally from childhood trauma I'm awareof it because I had stuffed it so hard,
Stephanie (07:13):
that is the beauty of healing and how essential oils can work with our
body I've been trying to tackle many booksabout this, like the body keeps the score
sometimes just, you know, touching someoneand, and I know, and maybe they even
know, like, this isn't because I, okay.
Vacuum too hard or lifted somethingheavy like this is an emotional thing
(07:35):
can you feel the stress in my shoulderslike, and how brave and beautiful
that you are like, I'm going to tacklethis especially as a mother, we don't
want our children to bring some of thethings to adulthood that we brought,
I know it's overused, butthat generational trauma.
Amanda (07:52):
Yeah,
Stephanie (07:53):
right?
Amanda (07:53):
And you know, it is overused.
But people don't realize thedepth of what that actually means.
Like, you were an egginside of your grandma.
To really think about that.
Like, a female is born withher eggs already intact.
That means, when she was born, yourmother, Already had you inside of her
(08:17):
when she was inside your grandmother,that DNA transfer is so wild
Speaker 5 (08:24):
and
Amanda (08:24):
generational trauma that comes with that is very real because
if you were inside your grandmother,then your grandmother was inside
your great grandmother, right?
Stephanie (08:32):
Yeah,
Amanda (08:33):
that generational trauma is actually really close and tight.
compared to what we would think, I'man independent human being, right?
But really, we have all these otherthings underneath and it doesn't
mean we have to save it all, right?
It's just because it becomes theawareness that we are more than just
this singular human being in this world.
(08:55):
We are also a result of.
All that has come before us, the goodand the hard, it's not about trying to
conquer the hard, but it's trying to cometo peace with the hard, to be able to
conscious awareness and grow from that,to have that consciousness, to say, wait,
(09:16):
I want to do this different I recognizethat it might've been a survival mechanism
that they had to use or I had to use
That came before me, but what do I do now?
Stephanie (09:27):
Yes.
this is so big and deep and profound,and I even think that on a surface
level, it's hard to think, well, mymother had me at 1973 and what was
going on culturally and what was goingon in the world and in her relationship
with my dad and their marriage.
lately I've been tryingto give different people.
(09:48):
In my world, a little more grace toreally think about that, how did that
feel and how was that at that moment?
And then to heal from it?
Yes.
Like, where did you begin?
Amanda (10:01):
I want to make sure I do not glamorize this
Stephanie (10:04):
Yeah, because
Amanda (10:04):
It was really dark.
Stephanie (10:06):
Yeah.
Amanda (10:06):
it was a moment, maybe a series of moments, but I had one really.
deep moment, esoteric moment,if you will, of Really, really
dark, like, is this where I wantto be literally in my human body?
Is this where I want to be?
And my grandmother, I could feel herpresence come in and she had been
(10:29):
passed out two years at that point.
And she said, Amanda.
My journey was done.
My work is no longer on that plane.
My work is off that plane.
Your work is in the plane, but thatmeans you need to be there to do it.
And you can't do what you're meant tobe doing if you're not in that plane.
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You need to be here andyou need to buckle down.
And it was just this reallyprofound realization of having
something to do in the world.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
And like,
Amanda (11:03):
what if the emotions and the suffering and the pain I'm feeling right
now, the numbness, actually is my work.
To tackle your own feelingsin the current moment.
Exactly.
Because I had pushed and strived andsurvived for so long and actually
(11:25):
considered myself, I almost egoically heldon to this idea that I was a survivor.
Speaker 5 (11:32):
And
Amanda (11:34):
it was my motivation.
Speaker 5 (11:36):
And
Amanda (11:36):
I avoided all of the darkness.
I avoided all discomfort.
I avoided all my emotions.
I avoided.
All of it, it was survival up untilthat point, and I had it all, like,
if you looked like textbook wise,
Stephanie (11:51):
Oh, look at Amanda and her beautiful family and her
beautiful children and her lovelyhusband and their beautiful farm.
And doesn't she have it all?
Yep.
Amanda (12:00):
And I was miserable inside because I was avoiding.
All of the pain, I hadn'tcome to peace with any of it.
I hadn't been able toeven begin to slow down.
I'm thankful for the disassociation.
I'm thankful that it got me to that pointI truly believe that those Wonderful
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things, that my life looked like wereactually this really cool safety net
that provided this place for me to heal.
Stephanie (12:28):
Like here's a big home, like let's think of it in a
structural, real life tangible thing.
You build a home that is sosafe, but you had to build it.
And then be able to afford for that doorto lock and you to be in there and safe.
Amanda (12:44):
you could take that, beautiful vision that you just gave and you
could physically put it in my life.
Stephanie (12:49):
that's exactly what I did.
So was this at the height ofyour young living career or
was this on the climb of it?
Because with that many people, under you,people were probably expecting you to be.
Everything, right?
Like, hey, I need this from you.
I'm struggling with this.
So you were probably teacher,therapist, counselor, encourager.
(13:11):
Like, are you having thisesoteric moment during this?
Amanda (13:18):
Yeah, definitely.
And only a few people knew what Iwas facing at that point because I
was still having to try to maintainas much as I could until I couldn't.
Stephanie (13:29):
Yeah.
Amanda (13:29):
the beauty with that was that at that point in time, I had
a safety net financially that myhusband had come home to work with me.
Speaker 5 (13:38):
He
Amanda (13:38):
was a teacher, in the school system and he came home for about
four years and worked young livingalongside of me we were able to
redirect a lot of things to him
Stephanie (13:51):
during that
Amanda (13:51):
time.
and so that created another safety net.
And so I wasn't doing as much.
there was a deep desire from people towant to be coached in all these things.
And that's when I realized Iwas really highly sensitive.
And like empathically sensitive.
And so I walk aroundwith my spidey senses.
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They're always active.
And so I'm really goodat reading body language.
I'm really good at sensing energy.
I'm really good at just empathicallyfeeling what's going around.
Probably based on traumafrom childhood that it was a
survival mechanism at one point.
And I could help coach people's painpoints and like, because I could
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help discover things for them thatI was feeling and they were feeling
like I could feel pain and they werehaving in their body in my body.
Wow.
I do too.
Yes.
Yes.
Stephanie (14:48):
Yes.
And sometimes I have justhad to say, that's not mine.
huh.
100%. That's not mine.
Yes.
Please.
I think that you're much moreaware of how to deal with that.
So I want you to tell us,listeners, how you've managed it.
Yeah.
So you have this team and you'relike, I empathically am feeling this.
I'm feeling this pain in your body.
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And yet you're simultaneouslytrying to heal your own.
Amanda (15:15):
I'm not realizing I have pain.
I don't even know I have painin my body at that point.
Stephanie (15:19):
Wow.
Amanda (15:20):
I don't know me at all.
I'm so disconnected from my physicalbody that it was like, what is happening?
I was really good atliving outside of myself.
Speaker 5 (15:32):
Really good.
Amanda (15:33):
Because, I was sexually abused.
Okay, from 14, the yearsare really funky still,
Speaker 5 (15:41):
12
Amanda (15:42):
he was arrested When I was 16.
That would have been 2002.
So I learned how to really disassociatefrom my body from that previous to that
my parents had divorced and that wasreally traumatic and hard for them and
me it was Not pretty at all then my momremarried and he sexually abused in the
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house groomed and then sexually abusedAnd so I had no ability to feel my body.
I didn't want to feel my body.
Stephanie (16:11):
Yeah.
Amanda (16:12):
and that's where the disassociation was so powerful.
Speaker 5 (16:15):
Hmm.
Amanda (16:16):
and then there's just some kind of engine within me
that said, no, you have, Go.
Just go.
Create something different.
Like there was no ability at the timeto recognize that I was suffering.
Stephanie (16:28):
Wow.
Amanda (16:29):
And everything, so everything with the sexual abuse came out in one day.
Stephanie (16:34):
Wow.
Amanda (16:34):
public.
Stephanie (16:36):
Oh, my God, on the
Amanda (16:36):
radio,
Stephanie (16:38):
public, like went public and you were named this or people
would have known through just
Amanda (16:46):
knowing he was named.
Stephanie (16:47):
Okay.
Amanda (16:48):
And our location was given.
Wow.
But we were minors.
And so that was like, nowlooking back, really traumatic.
Stephanie (16:59):
you're 16 years old when this happens.
Amanda (17:02):
And so coming forward, I've now built a big business
where I'm seeing really well, and Ican't feel anything about my body.
totally disconnected.
and in complete response to everythingaround me like you've turned yourself
into a robot my entire reality wascrumbling because I was so numb inside.
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working alongside the oilsthey demand those things be
moved demand's a strong word.
I use demand because Iwas fighting it so hard.
They actually do it very lovingly andcoincide with our nature and nature's
nature to create a really cool symbiosis.
But to me it felt like a demand becauseI was in such a fight internally
(17:47):
that I didn't know I was battling.
Like, I don't want to do this
Stephanie (17:50):
don't make me do this yet, body, soul, spirit, come on, I've got kids
to raise, and I have a business to run,don't make me go down this road, right?
I had a moment,
Amanda (18:01):
I went to Sedona for a spiritual retreat,
Speaker 5 (18:03):
and
Amanda (18:05):
I had already been digging through my stuff.
I had already had that deep dark nightof the soul moment with my grandmother.
and I was starting to move things again.
I went to a retreat in Sedona and thoughtI was there for a business retreat.
within an hour of the retreatstarting, my inner child showed up
Speaker 5 (18:24):
and
Amanda (18:24):
got in my face around, this is what you're here to do.
And I cried.
I had to leave and I just sobbedand was like, I literally said, I
am not here to do this right now.
That is not what I, like, that'show much fight I had in me.
resistance.
Yeah.
And so it would be a long time later thatI would even begin to acknowledge that.
(18:48):
I was still acknowledgingit, but I, not aware.
I was so unconscious.
Stephanie (18:54):
and people around you probably didn't know this because
you had become an expert at theshell and the surface perfection.
My mask.
Amanda (19:04):
I had a really good mask.
A really good mask.
And I would say that I still use my masknow and then, like that's still a thing.
And I think it's part of comingto peace with myself and my trauma
Speaker 5 (19:17):
is
Amanda (19:17):
the reality that I need to wear that still
Speaker 5 (19:20):
and
Amanda (19:20):
having a really gentle understanding of myself it's not
about completely removing it.
Yeah, I think that can sometimesfeel really vulnerable and dangerous.
Oh, absolutely.
I would love to be able to livethat way all the time, but it's not.
There's sometimes that it'sokay to protect yourself.
Yeah.
And sometimes those mechanisms are there.
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That's how we survive as a human species.
Stephanie (19:44):
Yeah.
Amanda (19:44):
That's part of being human.
Stephanie (19:45):
Absolutely.
So, you come back from Sedona, you kind ofsay, I'm not ready to do this, to tackle
this, I'm going to keep moving along.
What's like the next, I don't wantto use the word obstacle, or the next
bump that shakes you enough to belike, no, Amanda, you have to do this.
(20:06):
Or, Was it slow and gradual?
Amanda (20:08):
It was gradual for a while.
and actually, life got really good again.
We are traveling all the time.
I was feeling a lot better.
I was, doing some of myspiritual inner work.
I had coaches.
I had help.
I was even considering building a coachingbusiness at that point already because
I had people Wanting the services.
Yeah.
(20:29):
And there was just some part of methat was like, you can't do this.
Like, there was just majorblocks, but life was good.
So it wasn't like I had tocreate something at that point.
and then 2020 came and like the restof the world, we all got turned upside
down and things were in our faces.
And I did pretty good throughthat, until that fall.
(20:52):
And then I started having anxiety attacks.
And I had never had that.
Like, my body's starting to scream at me.
Like, Amanda, there is something wrongand my nervous system was whacked and
alongside of a lot of other people, right?
I'm not the only oneexperiencing that at that point.
Our nervous system, even now,still, we're still, as a society,
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Disregulated from what happened then
Stephanie (21:16):
a hundred percent
Amanda (21:17):
haven't recovered.
Stephanie (21:18):
Yeah
Amanda (21:19):
and so that started happening and I was like, okay, this is not good.
What is happening?
Why is my body rejecting me?
Yeah, that's how itfelt turning against me.
why can't I control my body?
What do I have to worry about?
I'm not in a big city Our jobs were good.
Young Living was at almost itsabsolute peak at that point because
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everyone wanted wellness products.
we had the opportunity.
We kept our kids home.
We homeschooled for the full year.
You
Stephanie (21:49):
did.
Amanda (21:49):
Yeah.
And so my kids weren't in, they weren'tsuffering through some of the things they
had their own suffering because they feltlike they were missing out, you know,
and my oldest was right at her teenage.
turning points.
So she thought she wasmissing out on everything.
Oh yeah.
Stephanie (22:06):
Her world had come to an end.
Yes.
Her mother was keeping her home.
How dare
Amanda (22:11):
you?
Pretty much.
my body was screaming at me.
I would Slide through those nextcouple of years, and then, I
was helping other people more.
I wasn't doing anything official as faras coaching, but I was helping a friend.
She had messaged me and said, Amanda,I'm really struggling with this.
(22:32):
Can we get on a call?
I was like, sure.
no problem.
we got on a call and we were chatting Ifeel like if there's anything I do well,
it's hold space for people and help themdo their inner discovery themselves.
And I just hold the container andhelp gently direct them to come
to that own discovery themselves.
And so I'm holding the space for her.
(22:53):
And we get done and she goes,Amanda, who does this for you?
And I said, well, I do, I do this for me.
She was like, Amanda.
And it was like this light bulb momentfor me of, Oh, this is probably not good.
I can do all that, readall the self help books.
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I had hired business coaches, but Ihadn't hired someone who knew the body.
Anyone that I had hiredknew the intellect.
Yes.
Which was, like, if I take a test onskills, intellect is my number one.
that is where I feel safest.
Stephanie (23:34):
Interesting.
Amanda (23:35):
Even though you're so empathic.
Intellect is my number one,because it's what keeps me safe.
It gives me all the blackand white check marks.
it was a pivotal moment of how doI let someone else hold this space
for me who isn't in the intellect.
And isn't going to help me tryto build a business around it.
(23:57):
it would be like a year later orso, I had reached out to a few
different people who did EMDR.
Because I had read the BodyKeep score at that point.
I was like, I feel like EMDR.
Keep in mind, I'm stilllooking for a quick fix.
Stephanie (24:12):
course, we all are, we don't have time to go down a
graggly, craggly healing journey,not with as busy as we are.
Amanda (24:21):
No, not at all.
at that point I had done acouple breathwork sessions, I
had seen some pretty dark things.
about my inner world, I had done alot of meditation and other modalities
and I just wanted someone to heal me,you know, I just wanted to be free.
Yes, I wanted to skip the cocoon stageand go right to having my wings and
(24:46):
have them completely ready to just go.
Like I wanted to be in flight,like take me from this and.
Throw me off the cliff.
Would you?
Yeah, because I'll find mywings like let's do this today.
Yeah, let's get this done.
I'm willing to Make it happen.
Mm hmm.
So I
found a therapist and I was like, okay,let's do EMDR she's like, Let's slow down
(25:10):
a little bit she's a trauma therapist.
so thankfully she could recognizeall my safety mechanisms.
Stephanie (25:16):
You're like your strategies, your cover ups, your masks, your ways that
you've survived your survival mechanisms.
Amanda (25:24):
100%.
And she could see thatway clearer than I could.
But she held such lovingspace to allow me to have my.
intellectual checklist of howI thought it was going to look.
She allowed me to have that.
She also did a beautiful jobbecause alongside my intellectual
checklist, I'm so spiritual, right?
(25:46):
She allowed me to do things based onenergy and spirit and all of that she
allowed me to meld both and just hold thatcontainer without being like, you're crazy
because there was a deep part of me thatthought That spiritual side of myself was
crazy, like I was waiting to be locked up.
Speaker 5 (26:07):
Because
Amanda (26:08):
of the things that I've experienced and things that I've
seen and things that I feel.
how is that possible?
And so she let me bridge that.
Stephanie (26:17):
I'm going to ask you, on your website, you talk about Gemini,
sun and moon, Scorpio rising, and thenyou say and I give gratitude to God.
Yeah.
So for people who might thinkthere is an all or nothing, some
things energetically, emotionally,spiritually are not acknowledging God.
(26:38):
how are we holding these things together?
Do you want to talk alittle bit about that?
we're going to keep talking aboutEMDR and I want to go into that.
Amanda (26:47):
yeah, that's a hard
Stephanie (26:48):
thing
Amanda (26:49):
I was raised Christian.
I was raised Lutheran, in fact,and I went for a little while
of just rejecting all of it
Speaker 5 (26:57):
and
Amanda (26:57):
being like, that doesn't, there's something in the religion that really is
really striking me weird and feels off,albeit my history of the man that was
sexually abusing me was a pastor's son.
And so he was my pastor's son.
And so there was also somereligious dogma in there as well.
I already had this conflictingthing happening within me at
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that point subconsciously.
and it has taken me areally long time to realize.
As a human being in thisbody, I can't know it
Speaker 5 (27:30):
all, especially
Amanda (27:32):
when it comes to God, especially when it comes to
using more than what is it?
What do we use?
10 percent of our brains?
What's the studies?
It's so small.
if we start activating all of our brain.
What is it capable of?
Speaker 5 (27:46):
Mm hmm.
Amanda (27:46):
And do I really think that my brain is less
intelligent than a AM FM radio?
Or my brain, the human brainhas created internet, but yet we
deny that we could be telepathic.
How is this possible?
It doesn't make sense.
It didn't make sense logically to me.
(28:06):
And so I had to.
It was so in my facethat I had to trust it.
And so part of me being human isI'm an experimenter and that's what
I've come to realize is that I'mmulti passionate and the best way I
learned is through doing it myself.
every part of my journey is reallyan experiment of learning this
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human condition and learning.
What trauma is and learning what healingis and learning what, evil is and what
good is and what is God and what is.
Perceived as not God it'sjust like what I'm here to do.
I love that
Stephanie (28:43):
I think that there would be very few people who have been through what
you've been through Especially having thatperson in a religious position who could
even come to the point of forgiving God
Amanda (28:55):
yeah.
I think that's a really hard part ofbelieving in God, is believing that
God is constantly moving us aroundlike pawns, and how can you let
hard things happen to good people?
(29:16):
If I love you so much, and youallowed this to happen to me, Why?
I don't see it that way.
I see it as, in my spiritual form,there's such a higher awareness of
what pain and suffering actually is.
(29:38):
And I think in that moment ofdarkness, it was like, how can I
find the peace within the pain andsuffering that comes with being human?
Because humanness is, in order toembrace the wholeness within humanness.
It's embracing both of it, it's embracingthe light and the dark, instead of
running away from the dark, whichwe're all really good at, that's fear.
(29:59):
Oh, absolutely.
Stephanie (30:02):
Would you say that it was through this, EMDR experience,
through this therapist experience,that you were able to come to this?
Or was that even before that?
Amanda (30:13):
I think I came into this world with that understanding.
Does it piss me off?
Yes.
Do I get angry about it?
Absolutely.
Is there grief andsadness and frustration?
And like, I want to shakesomething or break something.
Yeah, sometimes for sure.
Because my human brain doesn't understandwhy they're suffering in this world.
(30:37):
my human understanding doesn'tunderstand why I had to suffer and
why my loved ones had to suffer.
will there ever be full peace in that?
In my human form?
I don't think there will be, willthere even, even to the point that
I've wrestled with this idea offorgiveness being the end all be all.
(30:58):
And sometimes I think societysays that we're supposed to
forgive and just move on.
And I call bullshit on that.
Stephanie (31:05):
Yeah.
Amanda (31:06):
I have to forgive myself.
Hmm.
Do I have to forgive the actionsof an adult over a child?
I don't think so.
That's not my role as a child ever.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
To have that power to forgive likeI feel like I'm giving my power away
Stephanie (31:25):
and
Amanda (31:25):
enforcing her to give her power
Stephanie (31:27):
Yeah,
Amanda (31:27):
I can't forgive myself For everything that I hold
personal, I can forgive myselffor feeling like it was my fault.
I can forgive myself for thesafety mechanisms and the survival.
That's where I can find forgiveness.
and that's because I knowof my light, of my God light
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within me as a fragment of God.
Of that understanding thatconnected and that's where the
hope is that it's all connected.
Speaker 5 (32:02):
Maybe
Amanda (32:02):
I can't fully see from this vantage point right
now and I just have to trust.
And that's where my powercomes in of what can I do now?
How can I heal?
How can I see myself more clearly?
How can I see myselfmore clearly for others?
I do believe there is goodand evil in this world.
Absolutely.
(32:22):
I think there's some people thatare really trapped in that and
their skills are not balanced.
Stephanie (32:27):
Yes.
Amanda (32:28):
and so there's an acceptance of I can be angry and
I can have protective mechanisms.
Yes.
And I can take my experience because Ihave gained the understanding of my trauma
because I've allowed myself into it.
I can say, Oh no, we're not going there.
I can stand up for myself.
I can trust myself, I can alsotrust myself to ask for help.
(32:53):
I can trust myself to knowwho is and isn't safe now.
Stephanie (32:56):
Yeah.
Amanda (32:57):
All of those are the skills I've learned
Stephanie (33:02):
So this healing journey, you were like from the beginning,
given an amazing power and a gift tohave this spiritual connection to God.
Yeah.
And.
When you started to tackle this withthis other human, this therapist,
and she was able to hold spacefor you, before you even went into
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EMDR, it was probably a longer timeframe than you wanted it to be.
Amanda (33:29):
I still see her weekly.
And that I'm at like two and a halfyears of seeing her every week.
like this is a major, Icall it like the onion.
Speaker 5 (33:42):
And
Amanda (33:42):
I called that for a very long time before I even
knew that I had to do healing.
This is layers upon layersand as I grow and evolve.
there'll continue to be layers.
I think that's one of the hardest thingsI've had to come to peace with, is the
reality is there won't be a moment.
Stephanie (33:59):
Totally free.
I get the award.
I get the medal.
I'm done.
I graduated.
I'm done with this healing journey.
Boom.
Like, that's such a Westernculture thing, right?
Oh, yeah.
That is in me too.
Like the checking the boxes,the what's the next thing?
The end of our journey there.
When do I
Amanda (34:17):
get my trophy?
Exactly.
Right.
And a lot of that, for me,was laced in perfectionism.
One of my biggest masks was perfectionism.
Wow.
And still can be.
Yeah.
It serves successful people well.
It really does.
the reality is we'rein these human bodies.
we are limited compared to maybea form we've taken previously, or
(34:41):
will take later on but I'm choosingto be here and show up in it.
Speaker 5 (34:45):
And
Amanda (34:46):
so that's when the letting go happens is like, I can't know all of it.
Speaker 5 (34:49):
Yeah.
Amanda (34:50):
I can't know.
And I'm gonna make
Stephanie (34:52):
mistakes.
And trusting like the experience,like I think that's really
powerful and amazing for you tobe like, I am like the experience.
Did you say experience or experimentor I am my own experiment?
Yes, like my gosh, so many of us.
We don't want to go there.
Yeah, we don't want to go there.
We want to, you know, we wantto go to work and have paycheck
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and watch television and cheerour kids on at a game and like.
The, the acknowledgement of notfeeling yourself or not being aware of
yourself, I mean, that probably willresonate with many, many, many people,
Amanda (35:33):
and that is where my life, my multi passionate.
Course of life is taking me is therealization, especially entrepreneurs,
especially highly sensitive entrepreneurs.
I firmly believe that highly sensitivepeople are going to be our next
generation leaders and they have beenmanipulated because we're so sensitive
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and because we're used to beingoutside of our bodies all the time
and making sure things are, that weare really good in these small roles.
Until we start learning how to trustourselves, until we start learning how
to trust our bodies and recognizingour body has things to tell us
as a mechanism for our survival.
As we start to realize we have boundariesand it's okay to set boundaries, as we
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realize it's okay to piss people offby some of the things we might say, as
we allow ourselves to make mistakes ashighly sensitive beings, we have the
ability to bring the power back into here.
And then expand, so these next generation,even our current generation of people,
we're paving this way for people whenwe find our wholeness, when we can
(36:45):
embrace our light and our dark, andwe start realizing what it is that
fuels us and what we feel passionateabout, I've seen it happen where
entrepreneurs who are floundering indifferent directions, hit these dark
nights, and they don't know what todo next, they think they're broken.
the realization is they forgot to come in.
(37:07):
helping people do that, iswhere, things are going.
Stephanie (37:11):
this is now your next sort of like, And I hate to use the
word business venture, because weare talking so spiritually in such
depth, but now your role, where you'resort of putting some of your time
and energy is helping entrepreneursfacilitating this process, this progress.
(37:31):
Yeah, am I getting that?
Yes.
Amanda (37:34):
while coinciding with their nature, there's such a deep part
of me that doesn't want to skip.
The reality that we are in a human body,that we are human beings on a moving,
breathing planet the way that we groundin, like, I don't want people to go up.
I think there's a lot of really coolspiritual coaches, who do a really
(37:57):
good job of helping people do the up.
I've done the up and it served me.
But what I really want people to doand help people do is to come in and
really ground their awareness anchor in.
come back to their nature to buildfrom there to create that foundation.
And I think it's somethingmost of us haven't been taught
(38:19):
because we've been escaping.
Stephanie (38:20):
Yeah.
Amanda (38:20):
We've been running away.
We've been hiding because we're soafraid of our true inner nature.
Stephanie (38:27):
When you say people going up or people can't give a give our
listeners like an example or whatdo you mean like people who are like
going to the Tony Robbins things?
Is that what you mean?
Amanda (38:39):
I think up would be a good word for escapism.
Stephanie (38:43):
Okay.
Amanda (38:44):
Even though it looks on paper, like it should be what we're doing and
the way that we should be doing it.
it's another form of escapism.
Stephanie (38:51):
Okay.
Amanda (38:52):
Like,
Stephanie (38:52):
Yeah.
Amanda (38:53):
for me, an example of that would be wanting that 10 minute fix
of just launch me out and help me healand make it great and then I'm out.
Stephanie (39:01):
Yeah.
Amanda (39:01):
and then I can, Instead of two and a half years later.
Like, I don't think everyone needs to dotwo and a half years of trauma therapy.
Speaker 5 (39:08):
Mm hmm.
Amanda (39:09):
And we don't dig into hard stuff all the time anymore.
just yesterday, she and I talked aboutmy business where I'm going my fears
around it and my desire for safetythat's the stuff that's coming up now
Speaker 5 (39:23):
and
Amanda (39:23):
how that's all related and she's helping me put the puzzle
together so that I have such a greaterlevel of acceptance and awareness
Stephanie (39:30):
and
Amanda (39:30):
self acceptance, self awareness.
Stephanie (39:33):
How did you find this amazing therapist?
I know so many people evenask me and I don't know.
Amanda (39:39):
Yeah.
I waited a year.
you have to have someonethat you jive with, right?
Yeah.
And I needed someone I could trust.
It's probably not a normal situation,but I did know her personally.
Okay.
and I don't want to name her justbecause Of course, of course.
And I'm not asking.
yeah.
She is local in the area.
I'm so thankful for her, this isbecoming, and I love that there's
(40:03):
so many more people saying, maybe Ineed support and maybe I need help.
and there are quite a few placesopening, in the Marquette area.
I've seen, I haven't used it yet,but I know there's betterhelp.
com where you can, get incontact with therapists there.
Stephanie (40:19):
Yeah.
Amanda (40:20):
And so that's always, otherwise, I mean,
you have to, a couple of things thatI would look for is someone who's done
their own work or someone who can holdspace because If I would have done
what I want to do, and I did want todo it, like, six years ago, I hadn't
(40:40):
done any of my own work, and I didn'thave a container to hold people in
without putting my own understandingof what my container looks like for me.
Stephanie (40:52):
self awareness is like a dot.
It's not self awareness.
it's beyond self awareness.
It's self healing, self
Amanda (40:59):
if I can't extend compassion to myself as part of
the whole collective, how should I?
Expand compassion to the people around me.
sometimes I think we're taught it goes theother way That if we have compassion for
everyone else then they'll have compassionfor us and that is just not When you're
coming from a trauma background Yeah, youhave probably lived in outer world your
(41:25):
whole life trying to avoid motor trauma.
you don't have any self awarenessor compassion for yourself.
It's like complete selfsacrifice all the time.
my brain was not wired.
For compassion for myself,self awareness, any of it.
it looked like it because Iwas in survival, but really
(41:46):
I didn't know compassion.
I was surviving.
Some of the things I was doing,but it wasn't out of consciousness.
Speaker 5 (41:55):
Yeah.
Amanda (41:56):
And that's two different things.
There's survival, and thenthere's conscious self
awareness and self compassion.
they're very different.
They come from differentplaces in the body,
Speaker 5 (42:06):
even.
Stephanie (42:08):
So, As we sort of end this really amazingly beautiful and
deep and vulnerable, I'm so gratefulfor you to share this with us.
if someone wanted to reach out toyou, to hire you in their journey,
Amanda (42:25):
how will they get a hold of you?
I think right now the bestway is on Instagram, amanda.
brungreiber, on Instagram.
I have a website.
I'm building and, trying not to dragmy feet on, you know, we still, there's
still those survival mechanisms that playout where the perfectionism plays out.
I don't want to underplay that.
I've conquered it all becauseI haven't, but I do know how to
(42:48):
hold space and help other people.
I'm helping myself at the same time, andthat's a really Cool part of the journey.
I would love to be an ascendedbeing on the planet, but I'm
just not there right now.
Stephanie (43:01):
Well, I think it's pretty extraordinary to hear your
journey and to hear you, talkingso freely about all of this.
I think that this is going to beso inspirational for people and so
encouraging knowing that, you'veacknowledged this healing journey and
now you're here and you're going to helpother people in this healing journey.
(43:24):
it's amazing.
Amanda (43:27):
Thanks.
It feels really cool.
It also feels really fun.
And I know that mightsound weird, but it's fun.
Stephanie (43:35):
How cool that it sounds fun and that we can be passionate and excited
about that, which, I see that you are.
Amanda (43:43):
there's something really neat about holding the space for
someone to fully see themselves.
That's really cool.
and that's people.
It's also for me, plants andanimals and letting myself see
them fully It's all so related.
Stephanie (43:59):
I definitely need to get on your books.
I assume that you do zooms, callsfor people who are out of the area.
Yeah, there's no geographiclimitations to this.
Amanda (44:10):
I do have a studio in my home where I do some in
person, but I also do zoom online
Speaker 5 (44:16):
too.
Stephanie (44:17):
That's wonderful.
Amanda, will you spell your lastname so if people are looking for
you on Instagram, they can find you?
Absolutely.
It's B
Amanda (44:25):
R U N N G R A E B E R.
Stephanie (44:34):
Amanda Brungraber.
Thank you so much for being a gueston Conversations with a Chiropractor.
Thank you for having me.
It's been an honor.
Speaker 2 (44:45):
Thank you so much for listening.
If you've enjoyed this podcast,would you please rate it,
review it, like, or subscribe?
You can find me on socialmedia at WatchYourWellness.
com, Dr. Stephanie Wattier onInstagram, or Watch Your Wellness
Chiropractic and Massage on Facebook,and I'm so curious where your
(45:08):
next conversation will take you.
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