Episode 174 | "Ladder Gate" - Corie Sheppard Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:20):
I want you all to know it might take my 174
episodes but as a patriot and alover trained out on Tobago,
I've found a new officialopening for the Corey Shepherd
podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
I'm telling ya, I'm telling ya, I'm telling ya, I'm
telling ya, I'm telling ya, I'mtelling ya, I'm telling ya, I'm
telling ya.
I brought you in till it.
Red, na na na.
I dressed in a purple, red,white and black.
I don't care what nobody say,every can even a ladder day plus

(01:20):
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I know all I've seen is anolive mass fight.
Then say I'm a dandabad.

Speaker 3 (01:27):
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Dandabago.
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Speaker 2 (01:47):
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Speaker 1 (02:00):
Hey, welcome to episode 174, the Corey Shepherd
podcast.
Welcome back to everybody who'sbeen listening.
Welcome to all of you.
That's glad to have you onboard.
Salute to Nicholas, whatNicholas named New Van, if you
wasn't following right, nicholas, new Van is our youth in, I
want to say, is New York.
Yeah, and the man went viralcouple times for a few videos
interviewing some trainees onhis streets.

(02:21):
You're supposed to know it,right.
That went viral among all agegroups and one of the people he
interviewed was a famous nowfamous and infamous Mama Juice.
Mama Juice, making famous withthe juices and say, well, this
is to bring it back, this is forif you're sick, drink a ginger,
sell a juice on his street andthink you know, treat it quickly
and find a way to make ithappen all the way.
You know what I mean.

(02:41):
We can figure it out right.
And Nicholas, after going, Isuppose, as a vlogger,
instagrammer, trying to growyour page all the time, and he
hit a lick with this one, so hedecided he come into Trinidad
and he fly Mama Juice toTrinidad to look to Nicholas for
the Mama Juice, come down andcarry him straight and he hard
to malone to eat something anddrink something.
And now we had to take onNicholas's page right.

(03:04):
Find him on Instagram isNicholasNuvan.
Nuvan is N-U-V-A-N.
Right?
If you don't know, go and findhim and you'll see all his
interviews, the ones in Brooklynor in New York as well as the
ones here.
And the man finding funny.
He said that people tointerview in Trinidad on
promenade, dong tong.
He learned a lot about Trinidad.
Some people was very raw, somepeople was entertaining.

(03:26):
He find out what he man was aboxer or something?
You know most random people.
As Trinidad, they're known forhaving you know random people
and random conversations.
We got to that.
But I don't like how people tryto bad mind Miguel Cherelle man
.
Cherelle said she could sing,she born.
So Let her know.
He asked Cherelle Way alone tosing like that.
She said born.

(03:46):
So that's my new lick, that'smy new language, new slang for
2024, born so.
So salute to Nicholas.
Check that out, right, I'llbring all the up to speed with
what happened with me.
You know because he passed fewepisodes.
So look at my boy, captainBiddy.
Right, biddy, tell me the otherday.
He say boy, you used to talkabout all kinds of things.
You used to talk about sports,current affairs politics.

(04:09):
He say now all we got in hisculture, well, it's kind of a
value.
It's kind of a value we had totake it far down the culture
lane.
So I don't make sure that I knowwhat happened, because part of
my problem now is I don't evenknow what's going on in the news
now, telling all the things getbad with me Somewhere along the
line.
I realized that to the non-TV.
You're listening to the radioand I'm wondering there's a
problem for my productivityright, there's a problem for my

(04:30):
if I put on morning edition orput on blaze on them on a
morning or day.
I'm Tony.
I stuck in front of the TV orby the radio until nine o'clock
I still a little old school andmy day in and started till nine
every day.
So I abandoned that.
But I realized that it make mea lot of touch.
Plus, had a lot going on inlife.
You know long time I didn'ttalk to all of you about just
life.
You know I feel like we spendthe whole time talking about

(04:52):
about kind of violentcompetition and all that Long
time I didn't talk to all of youhad a lot of issues in this
life.
I want to listen to.
You guys go through a lot whenmany comments run into telling
about one percent of businessand one percent.
Let me tell you what washappening to me last week.
Right, I went and played somefootball, normal thing you know.
I mean you're taking it alittle Sunday evening sweat,
everything nice I done,regretting playing no mass and
things.

(05:12):
So, thank God, all the, all thefetters and the go getters of
the carnival season come backout to play a little football.
After the sweat a couple ofbeers come out because, look no
more, it clinked me and clinkedon a birthday around the same
time.
So we do a little celebratingand drink some beers.
We'll have to clink on a littlebit.
They set up a nice spread, wedrink something nice on me.
Then I get a call from themusical director, paula Stacy.

(05:34):
She say listen, half the lightsstarted blinking, then half the
lights in the house gone.
I want to carry a littleearlier back in the year, right
when I was only talking aboutcannibalty.
That happened somewhere inJanuary, which is the hardest of
manga seasons, because as muchas people like this, over one
percent, I aspire to be the onepercent, but I'm not.
So January is a rough month anda long month and a month of

(05:57):
what is it called?
Seven years of farminghappening in January and I had
to spend a good piece of moneybecause my current went and I
had to get TNTEC to come out anddo what we call it electrical
certificate or the inspection orwhatever it is out of.
One pay TNTEC a reconnectionfee because the fellas come and

(06:17):
they take my meter because theyhad some kind of problem by the
meter box, which is say, once itpassed the meter is not the
issue.
So apparently it has somethingnamed the guts behind the meter
and that was short and out of me.
So I can't explain that thing.
I couldn't help you.
Well, best believe.
After I spent that raise in midJanuary, just last week's days
he called me and told me thesame thing happened at home.
So it's under pressure now on aSunday night and my bad

(06:40):
experience is that the last timethe electrician tell me should
I say this, the electrician saydo quality and tech?
We go racket this thing right,we go, we go figure it out.
They go do what them does, doso to sort this thing out.
And in my little coward selfafraid, problems I call TNTEC
and TNTEC go on with my meter.

(07:00):
It take three days for me toget back current in the house.
Right and lo and behold, thesame exact thing come and happen
this week now the half that hadcurrent last time, that in our
current this time.
So just the house flipping thenext side and you know the half
of the wifi gone.
I don't mind, but listen, thefridge if you want to give me
the fridge and take any wifi, Irealize I could survive without

(07:22):
current and you know me andZachary, you can't put on.
We make it happen.
Last time we had a few dayswithout current.
Well, it turns out somethingelse was wrong behind the meter
after the men fixed it last time.
But in fine style, our neighbor, and it's something you just
say, don't call his name, right,you go back and figure out
who's run by.
I want to salute my neighbor,jay, to call me.
He say he's a fellow who isfixed things.

(07:43):
You know it has some people whoare partner uncle, like the
uncle Pogy.
He's a man.
Any little problem you have,pogy.
They say don't hesitate to callme.
He finding a way to fix it andto make it happen.
Right and absolute Pablo toPablo's.
A man like that, right, but Jayis my new partner, like that.
So when I reach him and Irealize I had a problem, I call
my electrician.
He say you come any morning.
Jay called me.

(08:04):
He say, boy, I have anelectrician, you know, you ever
call him.
Now, no, I'm not spot right, Ifeeling kind of bad because I
don't tell my electrician comeany morning.
And Jay now telling me he havean electrician that could come.
Now I feeling our way, but Ireally want the electrician come
now.
You know what I'm saying.
We think about how forward theelectrician pull up and thing he
watch the situation.

(08:25):
He tell me he say, boy, theproblem is definitely in that
meter box.
He tell me call the antique.
Now I have bad experience.
I frightened like hell.
I tell him to them and say, hey, I don't want to call the
antique, you know, because lasttime the antique went with my
meter I can't afford to foreverything in my fridge to spoil
and them kind of thing becausenow the all right, son have a
good day.
Yeah, now the fridge and thingain't working.

(08:47):
If they pull that meter, nohope.
So, boy, despite my bestthoughts and my best beliefs and
my better judgment.
The men say call me meter.
And now I studying myelectrician now, because when
they take that meter and myelectrician find out that the
next morning he gonna fire me asa client, he go, say boy, you
don't listen, don't call me back, go whoever it is called to do

(09:08):
anything.
You call them and fight up withthat.
So, despite all my betterjudgment, I call TNTech.
Tntech come, this is absolutelyelectrician, mr Cyrus.
Mr Cyrus was right there, heexplain everything to me.
Nice fella, nice, nice guy.
We stand up there talking toour Elton.
Mr Cyrus is 77 years old, mrCyrus, looking good, you know,
he ever also fighting with me.
Man, looking good, 77, man, hecoming and doing electrical work

(09:29):
.
That was the night I talk morenine, 10 o'clock Sunday night.
Well, tntech eventually come.
Tntech, take about a half or 45minutes on, when they reach A
little better back and forthbetween them and TNTech, because
TNTech was first, song in likea fey who ain't leaving this
meter here.
No, but everything work out,everything get fixed.
Absolutely, jade.
Jade had all the tools in theworld.

(09:51):
Listen, jade gonna have ahardware soon named Jade,
mohansing hardware.
Right, all they was supported,right, but that's on me, man.
But telling you I go in somemore of this, right?
I telling you all this for areason.
Look how my life is lined up,right, when we tell my talking
to everybody.
Let me tell you how thingsfollow me After the thing, I so
glad lights come back on and hehoes Stacey's smiling again,

(10:11):
everybody happy, people is cool,nobody is sweating and all
these things.
Mr Cyrus, sit on the one westarted talking.
We're all talking now in themidst of waiting for TNTech.
He used to tell me about stories, young days, he say, when he
was a young fella, he was in YTCand he gave you know kind of
little, you know how it is.
Go.
And he say a word that triggersomething in me, right, he say

(10:34):
the police pull him up and theycarry him and I'm Maria and they
carry him down to the thing.
Now, when I only know that wordfrom a Zandoli calypso, right,
zandoli have a song named Ironman and they have a line that
say so they take me and theythrow me in the Maria and carry
me to the female commissionerand if you see me, five o'clock
in the morning, two men, police,came searching and before I

(10:56):
could put on my clothes all myiron expose.
So I hear the word Maria forthe first time outside of that
song.
Now I'm Maria, google Maria,right, it's just a police van
back in there, right.
So when I hear that, I say butit's so strange that he would
use the word Maria and then,somewhere in the midst of the
conversation, I tell him, boyZachary, something and he hear

(11:17):
my son is Zachary.
He say who's your son, zacharyRansom?
I say no, but how you knowZachary Ransom?
That can be random.
If you don't know, zacharyRansom is the reigning junior
Monarch and might be there forsome time.
I think he will have fewer thanjunior Monarch Don't quote me
but I think he will have goodbit and he's clearly going to be
one of the stars in calypso andsoca of the future, right.

(11:39):
So when he said that I said butthis man know little thing, but
he into the culture, he knowcalypso or something.
So with any happiness, again mylight's back on.
We pulled to rubber, made chairnow in front of the gate.
We pulled to Eldorado in frontof the gate and we started.
You know how Ramdes bring talk.
So we started sitting.
He started to tell me somethingnormal.
He was in spectacular tense andhe was saying I say wait, wait,

(12:00):
wait, wait, wait.
You're singing in a tent.
He say yeah, he tried to get inthe tent.
And he said the backstage ofthe tent is a cutthroat place.
It's not a nice place.
You know what I mean?
It's doggy dog in the backstageof the tent.
And he say he went up on thetent, he finally get through and
he get you right song forseveral calypso young.
When he get the opportunity toperform one of the songs or one
of the songs that was his and hewent up on stage, he say after

(12:22):
he performed the whole song, mennow come off.
The men tell him when he comeoff the stage, men now explain
to him that spectacular is aencore tent.
In other words, you had to havesome extra verse below and tell
your thing.
So if you have four verses, youneed to write two extra for
when you get your encore.
Or if you only have four verses, you need to sing three and

(12:42):
hold back the one to put yourencore to come back on right.
Because if you ain't getting noencore and you sing on your
walk off, your chances aregetting booked for the tent in
the long run low.
And he was using that as anexample to say how cutthroat the
industry is.
He say he and these fellas ispartner.
He say Balie is a partner.
He say there was men, hisfriends he talking about, and
they still leave him to suffer.

(13:03):
And he makes the.
They still leave him.
So it just goes to show there'ssome of these things that's
follow me.
So with any mixer, the thing hestarted to tell me he's right
song.
I say well, he man, song, it isright.
Now.
He say well, it's not music.
I say well, where?
Why?
Why guitar?
He say bring a quattro.
And he saying bring a quattro,joking.
So look, jay, that McKasey livewith me there.
He saying bring a quattro injest.

(13:23):
I say well, all right, I bringthe quattro.
Now that man started to runthrough some tune where he ride
boy nice, nice tune nice doubleentendre and thing.
Listen, I wish some of it wasrecorded.
I will get to the point where Istarted to record my real life,
like Nicholas Nuvan and thesefellas.
Right, we are just walkingaround with our camera and
recorded because I feel likemaking a thing up.

(13:43):
The man sing about five tune,good, good tune where he singing
the 10th and the songs we comeup with.
But I want to play for you oneof the songs that this man write
and I want to go flashback to afellow who, a fellow by the
name of Kenneth Corby, who'scelebrating his 65th birthday.
I could pay age out there, 65thbirthday this week and I

(14:05):
remember us telling him one yearthis song is one of the
greatest songs ever written incolor.
He's laugh about that up totoday.
I tell him they wanted thegreatest song they ever make and
he's laugh about that up totoday.
Imagine the coincidence that Itell this man this as a child
and my current corner and I geta man to come and fix it and the
man who come and fix it is thewriter of the song pensionality

(14:51):
among them a 1990.

Speaker 5 (15:06):
I really don't know Every ten words you speak back
to life, 90's more.
Go low.
Tell yourself it's true, true,indian, and it's not good and
bad.

Speaker 3 (15:28):
It's not being friends, it's eating roti.
That's why no jeans.
It's wearing roti the way youhad a photo, not to burn and me
showing off.

Speaker 5 (15:42):
it is Indian woman at an Indian wedding.
See how good dancing when hestands and hits him he showed in
Go low, aha, go low, eh, go lowgo low, go low.

Speaker 3 (15:59):
he sing it Go low, aha go low, eh go low, go low,
go low.

Speaker 1 (16:15):
So imagine that I get a chance to meet one of my
favourite composers, one of myfavourite songs from childhood.
I want to tell Kenny this Askhim when he see him.
Also, sidong Neh singingZandoli, one of my favourite
songwriters of all time.
Zandoli, the great Zandolibecoming Sassairas.
Know all them, zandoli, frombeginning to end, from cover to

(16:36):
cover.
You know Zandoli.
And we get to sit down thereand play some.
Kaiso, mimio, kcj, the boy thattouch you.
There's that great.
Out of sorrow, plenty joy come.
And I was talking about myfavourite composers, right?
I tell you it's great.
Kenny's birthday, my daddy'sbirthday.
Wish him a happy birthday andhe is also, coincidentally, one

(16:57):
of my favourite composers, oneof my favourite songwriters.
Anytime you start a song, itstarts to whine.

(17:20):
You don't have me alreadyReally tight.

Speaker 6 (17:51):
We could be in the usual place.
Yes, so come on down and shakeyour waist For your needs.
Right must be late.
Yeah, you know you have a date.
You're both sick of seeing allthe bands on night, so anyway,
that's it.
If I'm going, you must go withthe section.
If you're from Langdon, pomo'sMolo Lomo, just from the section
, what's his friend?

(18:13):
And they get to know Pomo'scheck for his action.
If you look at them and can seeyour friend and them
organization looking for my shit.
I try to play and play.
They get to know no time andthey are making mistakes.
Look them up in their bodyjamming up in the party, jumping
and making merry.
All of them look the worst.

(18:33):
We come out to have a ball sowe have to play ourselves.
Let me see your mind mirror.
What's he getting on out of?
Get in the section in thestreet, take a seat and chillin'
till the beat.
Get in the section jumping fromthe woman shitting the bar.
Go.
Get in the section Jumping up,looking whining on the spaget.
Get in the section in the heat,coming to take over the town.

(18:56):
Then you're gonna.
You're gonna go down and up anddown, up and down.
You shuck a jam in front of allthe ball man.
Look only, massive, half in theball.
We hear your look from captainto coach.
Well, let it be stress, notthat sound.

(19:17):
Yes, all aboard From the run toNew York, la and the top of the
night and all day, a sectionbaby stage.
Look them whining in a rage, outof hand style.
Let me one-one bang.
So anyway, let's live and go.
You must go in the section.
If you're coming down formonths, hello, hello, come to

(19:39):
the section.
You're suspect and you get toknow better.
Check the section.
If you're the captain, you cansee your partner Born in the
section looking for team a treat.
If I'm not be getting on alltime, something right, don't
need the backup.
Look the fucking debaucheryjumping and making merry, all of
them.
Yes, the bossy, nice and apretty body.

(20:01):
Yes, man, you come out to havea ball.
So put your hands up and playyourself.
Let me see you.
Let me see you.
Chum, chum, chum, chum, chumchum.
Get in the section in thestreet looking to the beat.
Get in the section Jumping up,whining on this fucking section.
We're sitting here the momentshaking the back door.
Get in the section, whining inthe section, whining in the

(20:27):
section.
So in the section, all in thesection.
I say whining in the sectionbanging in the section jumping
in the section, shaking, rampingin the section.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
So first song is by Hilton Danzel of the great band.
Second Image Written by MrCyrus.
Second song Avengers.
Getting in the section,somebody said Sidney, I know
Sidney last time, but written bythe great Ken Corby.
So listen to my favorite song.
Come together at the same timeand tell me what your life is.

(21:00):
Talk about TNTech, right, tntech.
I must give them credit becauseI want to say bad things about
them if they take my meter.
But since they didn't take mymeter and they sought now
they're not there, I want to saysalute TNTech for coming
through quick and helping out.
And I see TNTech starring thisweek too, because imagine the
biggest story.
This is my problem when theytell them I talk more than
enough serious issues.
The biggest story in Trinidadand Tobago this week is TNTech

(21:24):
Rescue's Trap Kitten Trending.
Not more important than thisTNTech, apparently.
Let me read from the Expresshere Prince, a seven-month-old
kitten who was trapped in theheat atop a 50-foot de-headed
coconut tree on Bridge Street,kairani, after pleading for
hours for assistance, owner andMarie Rambarant told the Express

(21:46):
that the commission had visiteda home in Bridge Street,
kairani with a truck and abucket lift and removed the
distress kitten from on top thecoconut tree, tntech is starred.
Tntech is doing a great job.
Imagine, tntech.
Come here, call out Mr Cyrus toplay Golo, fix my light and then
head and take down a kitten offa tree.

(22:06):
For Mr?
What's your name?
Again, miss?
What's your name?
Miss Barad, I can't rememberthe name of the woman, but
Salute to TM Tech.
Tm Tech is working hard now.
Maybe it's a TV thing for me,right, it might be a TV thing
for me, but every time I seethese kinds of situations on TV
in the States, who did this call?

(22:28):
Let me know I don't want to saythe name of the people they
called, because I only knowthese things from Sesame Street.
And when a cat stuck in a tree,they called the fire services,
right?
They called the fire brigade.
Whatever it is called, let meknow in the States, right, the
fire men, that's who they takedown cat from tree, kitten,
kitten from tree, right?
But here TM Tech is doing herwork.

(22:49):
So me and no other, I don'tknow, a man like me, me and the
greatest animal lover, I don'tknow, because my first thought
was well, why ain't just shakethe tree?
Why ain't just shake the treeCat, I'm nine life, just shake
the tree.
It's a kitten.
How much life he lost already.
He must have at least one ortwo left.
I don't know.
Shake the tree, or maybe theytried that.
But TM Tech salute to TM Techfor coming on Make me wonder,

(23:11):
like, how come the fire servicesdidn't come out and sort all
this kitten?
That's chosen more words wiselyand I want a little know right
that, before I go any further asthis song, as this is the main
topic, I've lined up a fineselection of songs about cats.
Right, I want a little use inright terminology and you write

(23:34):
words.
There's no why in the word cat,right, I've written that.
And Tobago, there's no why inthe word cat.
I've lined up a fine selectionof songs about cats, some of my
favorites, right, but I kind ofend up finding should I go with
a favorite before I tell you?
But I kind of find out why theydidn't qualify a brigade.
I find out why they didn'tqualify a brigade, but I want to

(23:55):
give you one of the bettersongs about cats.
Before we get into it, I wantto choose my words very, very
carefully, because when you putsome people in charge, when you
put some of these people incharge, right.
They do it in a rough kind ofway, though, so I want to be
very, very careful and mindfuland respectful about how I play

(24:19):
these songs, but would you liketo hear my open song about cats?

Speaker 3 (24:56):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
Okay, I'm gonna put somebody in jail if they touch
my pussy.
I tell them they'll spend theirlast spending if they play with
my little pussy.

Speaker 1 (25:20):
Calypso Rose says so.
He didn't say so, but I tellyou, songs about cats is a fine
selection.
The songs about cats might beone of the most popular topics
in Calypso where they look at it, although they play a verse and
comment and all.
But I found the reason whyTNTech had to show up for this
job because apparently they callthe fire services and the fire

(25:40):
services had a ladder shortage.
I want to read from Ana Ramdashere real quick.
Ana Ramdas from the DailyExpress say the case of million
dollar unusable ladders hastaken another twist, as
documents show that a test wasconducted on the ladders,
following which they weresupposed to be returned to the
manufacturer.
If you wasn't following thisstory somewhere before Christmas
, I believe I was talking aboutthis situation with the fire

(26:05):
service apparently ordered amillion ladders that adapted
about a million dollars for theif I want to say it was it six
ladders or something like that.
My count was 20 wooden laddersand apparently these ladders
can't work on the fire truck.

(26:26):
So the ladders really isladders that will extend from
the fire truck.
So to read on further documentsshow that Chief Fire Officer
Arnold Bristow signed off andapproved the 20 wooden ladders
in 2019 as Brigade's engineer.
In response to questions fromthe Express yesterday, bristow
stated via WhatsApp that he wason vacation.
He added the matter is beingaddressed by the Integrity

(26:50):
Commissioner and at this timeone thing I can assure you is I
did not purchase any ladders.
I was not the Chief FireOfficer at the time.
The Express reported on Mondaythat the Integrity Commissioner
and Auditor General's Officehave launched probes into the
purchase of 20 wooden laddersfor $999,000 for the Trinidadan
to be in fire service, whichinitially could not be used as
they were unable to fit on thefire trucks.

(27:12):
Anybody ever work on a tenderNot a fire tender, right, a
business tender like an RFP,like you had to follow the
documents.
These things would be prettydetailed and always Ryan
Ramchandani can help me withthis topic.
Ryan Ramchandani is a friend ofmine who might have some
experience doing tenders forpeople like the fire service,

(27:32):
maybe doing tenders for tenders.
Adjustments to the fire trucksgantry through welding enabled
the use of a few of the ladders.
After this was discovered InOctober 2020, the Express
reported exclusively on thecontroversy with President of
the Fire Services Association,leo Ramkisun, disclosing ladders
were unusable and demandedapproved.

(27:54):
The ladders would purchase fromamalgamated security and
information about the ladders,cost and supply were only
disclosed after businessmen andactivists and croaker enemy
Inchan Ishmael had filed afreedom of information request
asking for information.
The integrity commission, byletter dated February 22, 2024,

(28:16):
called on Bristol to provide allthe information put into the
ladders in 40 days.
I have some things to talk aboutunions in this episode, right,
and this is one of the thingswhere, as a capitalist, I like
business and seed.
I like to see people take anidea to them as a business and

(28:36):
mind the family for generations.
So sometimes my stance mightseem a little bit like these
unions put so much pressure onbusiness as one.
They really want businesses tosucceed.
But these are the areas whereyour CAF vex with unions are
tall, because when I ask forincreases, I want you to
understand that what a union is?
Do I trade union, the 1% or 4%or whatever, the 002 or, however

(29:03):
they say, the negotiation formore salaries, right?
That tends to be one that isgetting national coverage and
big news.
So it seems like all the unionis do is talk about people's
salaries.
But I want you to understandthat the unions have a much
bigger role than just the salaryright.
A big part of what the uniondoes has to do with working
conditions and so on.
I remember working in TSTT atone time.
I am a young fella, I must be.

(29:25):
When I say young, I mean young.
Young.
I started work at probably 18and that would have been late.
I would have worked plentysummer jobs and internships
before that in TSTT, but atabout 18, 19 I was working in a
place that used to do packagingthe envelopes to the bills,
right, and I would appreciatethat once you had given me my

(29:45):
little cacada when the monthcome.
I did not care about theworking conditions, right At 18
years old.
Pay me, just make sure my moneyrunning on time and I don't
care.
I don't care if the chairergonomic, I don't care if the
working situation is safe, Idon't care about the lighting, I
don't care about the noiselevel, I don't care about the

(30:07):
amount of hours they make mywork.
If that make me work extrahours for half the hourly rate,
I would do it.
Right.
They understand you.
The reality is that unions thereto protect people like me from
myself, because that is not agood thing Very things that you
do in your young days is why youget up at 44 ripe years.

(30:27):
I just want to say there's abig difference between 44 and 43
.
But when you started gettingback paying here and your wrist
hurting from this because youare one of them all long time
keyboard, or your ears, you getto here in one of your ears
because you are standing next tothis machine clack, clack,
clack, making noise all the timeand you are inhaling what do
you call it like paper sodasfilings and you are inhaling

(30:50):
that and you end up with somekind of lung condition where you
are playing football now andyou can't breathe for more than
five minutes at a time.
Then you started to understandwhy the union important, because
a youth is a danger to himself,right.
I want to say that when you areyoung it's very much a danger
to your old self unless you getthe guidance right.
So the unions have a big role toplay, because I remember the
union coming in at that time andsaying all working environments

(31:12):
was unsafe.
We all hazard pay to hide, likethat part, but they give you
some over quotes now because itused to mess up your clothes.
We had to get uniform allowance.
They give us like sounddampening headphones so that
we're not taking that sort ofnoise every single day, and you
know what I mean.
The unions make the workingenvironment better and they help
us as employees who might beable to see the bigger picture

(31:35):
as a youth, for instance, whodon't even understand what the
bigger picture is to get betterworking conditions, not just pay
.
And this is the kind of thingthat gets the unions upset,
because when you're telling meyou care to do this and you care
to do that, we're pay concern,right, those are usually very,
very big figures, right.
You're talking about in somecases hundreds of millions and
billions of dollars.

(31:56):
To get four or five percentincrease across the board and
then have back pay for how muchyears is a big bill.
But when I tell you, listen toworking conditions bad and I
have this particular employeewho have a back problem and they
need an ergonomic chair, thatchair costs 12,500.
That's something like a bigamount for a chair.
And then the management pushingback against this and they had

(32:17):
the woman.
She didn't think and she can'tcome to work and she had back
pain.
When they're fighting them kindof issues for 12,500 dollars.
And the union come and see thisthing where you order 999,000
water work less ladder.
The union must make a big storyout of this and get upset,
because a big part of the issueis that if you do two separate

(32:40):
things right, if you run thebusiness efficiently and you
eliminate corruption from thebusiness, that 12,500 is a drop
in the bucket for what Iemployed doing for you over the
lifetime and what it does toprotect that employee so that
they could live a good, ripe oldage where you could play
football for more than fiveminutes without feeling like
you're going to pass out right.
So it's an important role, butit just come back down to the

(33:03):
fact that no ladders wasn'tavailable, that maybe they
qualify as service and they say,boy, there are some wooden
ladders so we wouldn't come.
Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry.
But call somebody else, callFlow, call DigiSell all of them
are bucket truck and well, atleast somebody respond to the
call and TNT was out there.
But again, given that thebiggest story in the country

(33:25):
right, anytime the biggest storyin the country had to do with
cats, I would like to get to alot of cat songs, because it
might have more in this episodein terms of music to play than
topics to talk about, because Ican tell you, I just wear you
Google.
I just wear you, google catsongs.

(33:46):
Don't use no other word but cat, just Google cat songs in Kaiso
and see what come up for me.
Because the list is unended andI want to play a song now by
the man who might be solelyresponsible for the most among
the cat song.
I don't know if it's what theman like, I don't know if it's

(34:06):
just the inspiration that hegets.
I don't know if the writersometimes you're a writer have a
zone you know what I mean.
Like I was a little to kick andtail and mash him aside.
A couple episodes ago they wastalking about boy and stick
fight.
It's clear that kick and tailhave a stick fight kind of vibe.
So the songs that he write havea stick fight energy.
So I don't know if one of theseman writers was a man who liked

(34:29):
cat very much and he sent a lotof cat songs his way.

Speaker 5 (34:34):
I don't know if he liked it or not from since a
smaller head and say with pussycat you mustn't play.
I was never one to this.

(34:56):
Obey, never touch a pussy.
From that day you'll I pussycat always look thanks,
especially the female sex.
You never know what they willdo next.
Yes, I have a pussy cat complex.

(35:18):
A pussy could be just born fromthe time I see him, hit him
with a big stone money,grandmama Jane and uncle Steve,

(35:50):
they taught me all, I mustbelieve.
Jumpy start to walk at 6o'clock.
Rabbit food go bring you goodluck.
But lucky if you put hat on bedwhen puppy cries somebody.
Really I don't believe all.

(36:14):
I'm very superstitious a lot,can't.
Let me tell you stranger pussycat is dangerous.
Got to get me scissors and trimoff all the whiskers.
Well, every cat lover in towntell me my attitude is wrong.

(36:52):
But anytime I'm pushing facingme I always get no first time.
Funny, a tiger cat is dangerous, they said.
But little pussy, you can't run, so gets back and kiss it, you

(37:12):
will find you will want it nearyou all the time.
Really, really curious.
But pussy looks a furious.

(37:35):
A friend of mine right now injail.
He was in love with pussy tail.
Touch the tail and pussy cat onbees.
Next morning was case with thepolice.

(37:59):
Another friend we call in morecat, push it, even though some
of them have no teeth.
Just looking at them I catchcold feet.
But when I take a drink, awhiskey, I declare in one pussy.

Speaker 1 (38:22):
If you see your neighbor pussy, I want you, come
on, show me songs about cat,don't show me, don't show me, I

(38:48):
don't want to know.
Ignorance is bliss.
Talking about unions rightheadline here from the guy I'm
actually some of its as unionsin uproar over SRC, proposed pay
hike for government officials.
Now again the unions, puttingthis against the backdrop of the
government, saying they have nomoney and they have into free

(39:10):
salaries over certain amount ofyears and do zero, zero, two, I
think was one of the offers.
And no teachers, teachers wassupposed to get back pay.
Somebody got to tell me becauselike I ain't seen a century
back pain.
I don't know, I don't know, Idon't know.
I thought when they get backpay I go get paid back.
But like it all works, you know, I mean that might be a cat
song to it.
All reading from the Guardianwas it guardian?

(39:36):
Yes, it's guardian, for tradeunions have condemned the
salaries review commissionsproposed salary increase for
government officials.
Vexatious and a slap in theface, insulting, and agree with
what this is egregious, I willspell egregious.
Egregious injustice, grossdisrespect and betrayal for holy
trade unions.
Describe the recommendedincrease for several of the

(39:59):
country's top officials,including Prime Minister, dr
Keith Rowley, presidentChristine Kangaloo, opposition
leader Kamala Pesad Becesa andcabinet ministers.
The government may accept orreject the recommendation.
Now again, we just make aseparation the real quick, right
?
Because it seems as though fromthe banter online, like the
Instagram comments and theFacebook comments and stuff it,

(40:22):
making it song as if thegovernment is increasing their
paid.
That don't work so right?
The salary review commission isthere to review salaries of the
public officials and makerecommendations.
There's no increase that wasmade formally yet or implemented
.
This is a recommended increase.

(40:42):
I am not sure what is thecriteria the SRC is used, but I
have a suggestion on what theyshould use and all.
It might get vexed with me alittle bit, but I have a
suggestion on what they shoulduse to estimate the salaries and
some of the top positions, asthey said here.
But is not, is not, is not arole in increasing his own pay,
or call him increasing his ownpay while negotiating against

(41:06):
the unions for public servants,right?
So it's just.
It's two separate bodies.
I will say, however, that theSRC is a bunch of appointees
from the president and presidentis our pointy from the
government, so some of themthings not as separate as we
might need them to be, but theyare separate bodies.
Right.
The SRC's recommendations forthese new remuneration packages
come ten years after the MPs andministers got a pay hike.

(41:28):
We break this into pieces,right?
Which means the last pay hikethey were the God was in 2014,
or I don't like the word payhack neither.
Last time the salary wasrevised was in 2014.
Right, I have a partner.
Salute to my partner, one whotalks a lot about working on
2014 salaries and how he's a manon the ground and he's fighting
for the people and so on is oneof the funniest stories I've

(41:51):
ever heard French Creole'stalking about men on the ground
and so on.
But the last pay hike was inMarch 2014.
Last while saying pay hike okay, march 2014.
From the November 2013recommendation on the SRC's 98th
report, prime Minister Dr KeithRowley's salary will see a huge
hike once the recommendation ofthe salaries review commission

(42:13):
what is accepted.
Rowley's salary will increasefrom $59,680 to $80,000 a month.
The SRC, however, removed theduty allowance for formally
received by Rowley of $8,680, sothe effective increases in even
sanity of $11,640 only workthat much.
So I understand.

(42:35):
I'm at all in all time, youknow, but Rowley's entire
immigration package is subjectto tax.
The report recommendedChristine Kangaloo pay move from
$64,270 to $73,920, tax free.
The opposition leader will movefrom $29,590 to $47,500.
So when I shot in Shannish meltsaying that Kamala Passat

(42:56):
business says he was oppositionleader we ever had, I wonder he
checking how much is someonemaking?
The pay packets for cabinetministers will jump from $41,000
, the cabinet ministers getting$41,000 but the opposition
leaders get $29,000.
Now I want to temper thisagainst the fact that these men
could have more than oneposition, a man and woman.
So you could be the oppositionleader, you could also be well,

(43:17):
I might not use as an example,but I could be the prime
minister and the minister,national security, so so in
other words, I could have acabinet minister salary of 41
plus my prime minister salary of59.
If there's a way is work right.
I'm assuming that it means hecould pick up both salaries.
Some places will do a proratedthing right, like if you have a
job here, when you take up thenext job you'll get a portion of

(43:39):
the job.
Like I remember lecturing onetime and the school I was
lecturing and the salary, themoney was nice, you know, when
it is a big class, I looking ata hundred students.
So you had a work for yourmoney, but the money a little
nice.
When you finish the course youcould do something with the
money.
And then they call man cityclass, so big that is.
Split it in two.
The woman lecture Saturday andSunday.
I say bet well, mean, ask aquestion in my mind.

(44:01):
I died double the money becausedouble the hours.
When I get it checked now thecheck light is heavy.
It's heavy but it light out.
It light compared to where Iwanted it to be.
And in economics, right, they gotell you mankind is spent based
on expected income, not actualincome, right?
So if you expect, because youare making decisions now based
on what you will get paid inMarch month and you expect to

(44:24):
get pay March month and Andrew,and why is come after March,
april and May and so on, you,you, you make a decision based
on your expected income, right?
So I don't make my decisionbased on the expected income,
which is to say I don't spend apiece of money already.
So when my check, when I, whenI supposed to get double the
money but I get one and a halfthe money, I in a hole now for
the next half.

(44:45):
I don't go with me to see him,so just want to have a meeting
with you.
I saw this little check herewas he said no, sorry about that
.
He said when you do any courseand is the same course and
you're doing it twice, we spareone and a half times the amount,
not twice the amount.
I ain't fine, it was thefairest thing, but me and them
good, and by that time I don'tneed that one and a half.

(45:06):
You know, I mean, I don't knowthough they're.
My good friend of mine saiddon't count again, fall bottom,
wait for the layer.
Not sure if they know fallbottom is work, but we have
songs about cats to come, so wecould do that.
But these salaries are a fewthings I want to talk about.
The salary, right, I understandwhat the union is doing, but I
want I want to assure you,especially if you in a position
where these unions notnegotiating on your behalf, what

(45:30):
the unions doing here isairtime and negotiating tactics
and they don't.
There's nobody in any one ofthese people, michael and he
said any one of them who believeany of what they're saying here
.
They saying it because it willbring a headline story, it will
put light on these things and itmay put more pressure on the
government or the decisionmakers here to move from 4% to

(45:52):
4.003%.
They can go move far, but itwill put pressure on them, make
them look bad or it will agitatetheir base.
So if you, if you have, if yourepresenting or he'll feel my
bad example, but if yourepresent the public sector
workers, I go get vex when Ilook into move my salary now, I
making our 12,000 here and allagain me and Chris here, that

(46:13):
would take me to 14-5 and for2500, all again on.
So, but only gonna killyourself 20,000 dollars extra
and 10,000 dollars extra andthing, and all again, all
yourself, more than my wholesalary, and and only making the
thing to move me my little 2500and pay me back pay.
So the unions will do that andsimplify the issue, as if

(46:38):
everybody is simpleton right, sothey will get public support,
they'll pull more pressure andthey could this and negotiate
and tactic.
I often wonder how come unions,though, or do they take the time
to like genuinely educated base, like admit, let them
understand what that is, what,what, what is back pay cost the
public sector?
Because we again I always talkhere about, we don't seem to

(47:00):
think that taxpayers.
Dollars are ours.
We just, we just want to dealwith our net salary.
So when you making 10 and thengoing with two, we don't really
care what it do it it to, wedon't really see it.
A matter of fact, what our goalis really to get back as much
as it to as possible, for wesell so we could get back in a
tax break here for a food cartor a grant or whatever them
thing is.
That's what we, we seem to bemore interested in here, you

(47:23):
know I mean.
So my take on it is this if theprime minister, this country, I
was very worried.
I want to.
I want to go back to Jada.
Jada's not somebody I shoulddoubt very much, because I told
them I'll ask him one day.
I can't remember what a randomthing we are talking about.
And I say what the commissionerpolice is, make boy, and my

(47:45):
point was really to say that shemaking a good enough salary to
buy better wigs right, or to getweev, or that was the real
point I was making to dress upnice, and you know I mean many a
tall, so you must have presencein a month.
Jad, say all our own 30.
And I said no, no way, becausein my estimation the

(48:05):
commissioner police had to beclose to a hundred grand a month
.
This is the head of the policeforce.
There's no part of my mind thatwould a tank be.
Commissioner police making30,000 dollars.
This is the person who I don'twant to say responsible for
crime, right, but they have abig part to play in controlling
the police who are leastresponsible for responding to

(48:25):
that crime rate.
That is as high as we have as acountry, right, it shouldn't be
that high, but it's high.
So the police is.
He wants to recharge theresponsibility of protecting
himself in this environment.
We in here now and this womanonly making 31,000 dollars.
Photographers in this countrymaking more than that.
Ask me how I know.
Ask me how I know that that isnot, that is a joke, that is.

(48:47):
That is craziness.
This mean that if she going tomeeting with community leaders
right, if she have a manningaccord or whatever it is, the
the crown plaza accord, if shehave one of the meetings now,
there will be people around thattable wearing more money than
she making for the year.

(49:09):
I wonder if people understandingthis or willing to accept and
appreciate it, forget about whatyour salary is and how much
money you making, how much moneyyou find you should be making.
You should be making unlimitedamount of money, right?
You should be happy.
And I see, I see a video onlinethe other day, a YouTube
channel.
I wish I could remember thename to tell you.
My memory so bad and mypreparation is so poor, but I am

(49:31):
saying the video.
He was looking at in FederationPark in Sinclair area, our
street named Prada Street Ihoused that Maya and the Sunday
houses won't by Richard Hazardyperson who won't Westmoreland,
so on, and he was just sayingthat, basically, look how smooth
these roads are, look atsignage and thing he said is how
the whole country should be.
I agree with him a hundredpercent on everything he's

(49:51):
saying video, except when he sayyou and me could never afford
to live here.
I do like them kind of talkwhere mean me.
So we could never afford it andwe could do in this life
together for the live there.
Why not?
We could, we could, we couldachieve anything that anybody
else could achieve.
What's stopping us from doingthat?
I ain't saying it, ain't sayingit easy, but I saying that we

(50:12):
could give it around.
You know I mean.
But we're back to theCommissioner Police.
If, if the Commissioner Policemaking $30,000 a month, how much
is $30,000 a month over theyear?
You know, you bring this downto brass tux right to 2000 by 12
, 360, I could have figured out,I'm on, I could, I could do
some quick maths in my mind.
I want to tell you that, if itis, she meets in the days, get

(50:37):
well, community leaders, them,have on on them, on them is more
than she making for a year.
One of these Prada shoe is athousand and something US.
Yes, these amiri jeans andthese amiri shirt is thousands
of US dollars for that.
These chain and them arereaching these fellas and then
by the knees is hundreds ofthousands of dollars for them

(51:00):
chain.
If you and well, don't call noname, what you let is buy it by.
If you let, easy to get one ofthem's essence in.
And then men have on two andthree the card of them driving
to come.
No, she will never be able tobuy the car that they're driving
to come there.
I say in all this to say thatyou in that room, what?
What do you walk into that roomlike, knowing that you are the

(51:23):
least paid person, use up Idon't want to say person.
You're pretty put your position, have a lot of power behind it,
but in some trouble becauseyou're dealing with people who
could, who could, who couldtriple your salary for you out
of the pocket today, now wecould walk over that.
Who could change your life?
Only little problem.
You study all the problem youhave in home with your salary.

(51:44):
Now right, and study what?
What if you double or tripleyour salary?
Was selling house, you move, gosomewhere else, you understand.
So we're walking into that room.
You're walking to that roomintimidated.
You're walking into that roomenvious.
You're walking into that roomlooking for deal, like a what
they could do for me.
Or you're walking to that dealthat's a room with the integrity

(52:05):
that holds the position andmake sure that you do what needs
to be done.
Or going back to the, the crownplaza of cocoa, only mean to
tell me manning was the poorestman in crown plaza when he had
that meeting.
Merit my is hardship.
Manning was seen walking intothe meeting heavy.
Prime Minister making waiters50, somebody.
Now we were.
Manning was making 20,something to do something and

(52:25):
them grand figures that that notcutting it and I know sometimes
these figures could song realbig compared.
So if you want to look atpublic servant salary or
entry-level salaries in anyindustry, but the men, the men
in oil and gas making more thanthis asks me how I know you

(52:49):
understand if they get to knowthey live in that work and go
and work somewhere else, fast,fast.
So the chief justice making$50,000 a month, I hope it not
song in too far removed from theground.
Yeah, I want to song like awrongsman, like my partner, one
right, but I hopefullyunderstand and I say in 50,000

(53:13):
that that's a recipe for danger.
Your Prime Minister making, forvoices, 59,000 dollars and then
you are the ones sitting arounda table with the biggest oil
companies in the world whomaking multiples of that.
I am not saying that it willmake us automatically corrupt or

(53:35):
make a sign raw deals or notunderstand, but I know saying
that right, because it's not thePrime Minister not saying.
Don't say by himself, you havetechnocrats and you have a big
team behind him.
I'm just saying that Honest men, blinking is a real thing in
this world.
Honest men could blink and lookthe other way.
We not pretend that if me andyou were in that position, we

(53:58):
might not have enough issuesthat cause us to say, ok, this
among makes a big difference tomy life, when in fact, the
people we are talking to and thefigures that you are discussing
is a drop in the bucket forthem.
Rumors have it that bags ofcash have been handed out in
this country for a long timePaper bag with a cash, duffel
bag with a cash on them, kind ofthing and now watching over

(54:19):
Ozarks for like the hundredthtime and you see how corruptable
government officials could beJust on TV.
Of course, that's not real life, but just on TV.
But I'm feeling like, if youhave a salary and my suggestion
to the salary review commissionis to start by understanding
what are the leaders of thebiggest corporations making in

(54:39):
this country?
They use our index that isbased on what they see sweet
earns for all the privatecompanies, the biggest companies
in the country, biggestcompanies operating in the
country, not necessarily localcompanies, right?
So it would mean in thiscountry that oil and gas is one
of the bigger salaries that youcould earn.

(55:00):
So if I start by looking atwhat the CEO of our Shell,
trinidad or BP, tt or well.
So we have here Big boys.
If I look at CEO level thereand I say, okay, the prime
minister salary must be a factorof that, I'm not saying you had
to match that and everythingthat happened there.
You had to do exactly that.
If you take a amalgamation ofthe biggest companies, we go

(55:23):
that oil and gas, we go thatfood and beverage manufacturing
and the light manufacturing andthe service sector, right, I
think that's our biggest sectors.
If you take the big boys there,top guys, and you look at what
them is get what them is gethousing allowance, food
allowance, travel allowance,whatever it is, plus the salary,
plus bonuses, whatever you takethat and you start to use.

(55:45):
So if you say, alright, we mustalways stay at 85% of what the
men is or what we could afford,95 or we could afford 65, so
that when they move we move to,because this is grossly below
where it needs to be.
I would think for the primeminister, the rough figures in
that I was in a group chatdiscussing the other day was 250

(56:06):
.
That's the national coachListen, national coach making
more than these men.
Ask me how.
I know this is not right.
This puts us in a veryprecarious situation.
Number one if we continue to dothis and this is why we
probably where we are now, orone of the reasons why we are

(56:28):
now because it's attracting thewrong people.
So people will go into thisknowing that the salary
incursions and box drain go outof the field of gap.
Right, you make out that whatyou will.
The other thing that willhappen is the public sector will
only attract people beyond theones who are looking for the box
drains, who are past a certainage and stage in the career.

(56:51):
Because, let me say, I have alittle brother who is about 20,
little bit right, I feel hisname, young and bright, and the
energetic and the whole worldbelongs to them.
Anything they put in mind to dothey could achieve.
They are young and healthy andstrong and go getters.
He study abroad and do a lot.
He would have life goals forhimself.

(57:14):
He might want to start a family, he want to buy a house, he
want to invest, as all of uswould have wanted to do.
Right, if he looking at acareer path now, how am I going
to earn my money to allow me tolive the lifestyle I want and
secure the future that I amlooking forward to.
He have options.
He could work with us in acompany here.

(57:37):
He could go and work in yourisland guys.
He could travel and work.
He could do different things.
Unfortunately, the salaries inthe public sector now and in the
politics not attractive enoughfor him to earn what he needs to
earn To be able to live thelifestyle, get to the family,
get to the security of thefuture and so on, and buy land

(57:59):
and whatever things he want toaccomplish right?
So I just saying this because Ido expect him to.
I do expect a 25 year old, 27year old man to just become
prime minister of the country,just like that.
But suppose he want tocontribute in his area and
become a consular.
If it is MP, what would theysay MP earning here?
If it is MP earning 40, whatwould you think?

(58:23):
A consular earning how much?
A consular getting a man in thecorporation?
So if you want to make adifference at that level, what
you have to do now work for 5, 6, 10, whatever it is when your
prospects for your career,because of how much you study
and how much you invest inyourself already his prospects
put him in a position where hecould probably earn 50 and he

(58:43):
probably earn more than that abrother already.
So he can go now and say well,I go, hold up 5, 7, 5 and
contribute, unless your parentsindependently wealthy and you
have inheritance together andyou could meet your goals as a
top demand calling and you couldmeet your goals as an aside.
If you make it like this, whatwill happen is people like him,

(59:07):
who young and strong and healthy, or people like me and you, who
was once young and strong andhealthy and could move and shake
, we will seek our salarieselsewhere and make our money
somewhere else.
And then when we reach about 50, when we have something secure
55 or 65 or however long youtake to secure it, when you
reach there, then we will sayall right time for we to give

(59:29):
back and time for we tocontribute to society.
And then you have a wholesociety like Ken Gordon, who we
can have 95 years old and nowtrying to give back in the
public sector.
Or you have a parliament withthe average age of 153 years old
because his salary isn't goodat all.
I don't know what again.
So, firstly, you are attractingthe wrong group of people.

(59:51):
Second, it's going to be hardto attract youths to come into
the system because that means ifhe goes into the consulates
again into the politics fromvery young and he could make his
financial goals there by thetime he reach 35, he have 10
years experience in the politicsand so on and you are looking
at somebody who is running atthe highest level, at the
ministerial level, at the primeministerial level, opposition

(01:00:13):
leader level and so on, whocould use the Chief Justice as
an example.
I wonder if all you know arelawyers.
All you know are lawyers.
All you watch is what is driveand where they live and how they
eat and where they travel andall you know are them.
When the Chief Justice making$50,000 a month, he could only

(01:00:33):
do that job after he make hismoney and retire that retirement
work now, because $50,000 amonth is a huge downgrade to
what a lawyer is.
I don't even know if to say Isit in judge because no one not
sure if the Chief Justice making$50,000, what judges make the
lawyers making more than $50,000a month?
Come in and go and ask how Iknow Pilots in the pilot

(01:00:57):
association.
They are making more than that.
Ask how I know these figuresare very, very skewed and they
are not a good reflection ofwhere society is and how society
earns and how society lives.
And once them figures is theway they are.
Once you have a commissioner orpolice who earn $30,000 a month

(01:01:19):
and we making our first move to$39,000, speaker or the house,
what to do?
Lololala every week.
$29,000 on the 30,000 a month,you can have first move to
$42,000, $30,000 for the SenatePresident $39,000.
Non cabinet members to the tree$39,000.

(01:01:41):
Cabinet members 41 to 47,000MPs, $17,000 to 20,000.
People working supervisorylevel and middle management in
the financial institutionsmaking more than MPs.
I wanted to compare from theconsequences of both jobs.
What is the significance ofboth jobs?

(01:02:03):
Which job you could do homequietly and nobody don't know
who is you, versus the one thateverybody know who you are?
What is the level of pressurein them?
Jobs I mean there are men infinancial institutions at basic
levels earning more than an MP.
I ask how?
I know right, but again, me andcoming here to run me and
coming here to go on too long, Ias a man, really untruly just
come here to play songs aboutcats.

(01:02:25):
I don't want to think they gettoo serious.
I don't ever want it to get tooserious.
I just want to come and play mylittle cat song on them, and
this song by the man who is mostwho has the most cat songs of
all time.
It might be a suggestion forWally to really want these
politicians on them to do.

Speaker 5 (01:03:11):
If you're a friend, have a pussycat, they call big
families.
If you're a sub-competitio,sell it.
Get some cash, cause you know,you see, if you're a young and a
salary pussy, and bring all thecash to me.
I love you, baby, but I canremain hungry.
This salvation, it could finishjust like that.

(01:03:32):
But you've got to sell it pussy.
Sell it pussycat.
She complainin' oh, she havethis cat and she burn.
She would sell it.

(01:03:55):
She won't even put it in porn.
But before I have to choke androb and perhaps end up in jail,
let me tell me, friends that youhave your pussy pussy.
Sell the pussy and bring allthe cash to me.

(01:04:17):
This salvation it could finishjust like that.
But you've got to sell it pussy.
Sell it pussycat.
Unemployment is what rarelyhave me so broke.

(01:04:49):
You could fell down.
If you sell it in a standardworld and I promise you won't
have to sell for more than ayear or two my dinner, she would
have enough cash to buy a treatpussy for you.
I say sell it pussy and bringall the cash to me.

(01:05:11):
This salvation, it could finishjust like that, but you've got
to sell it pussy.
Sell it pussycat.

Speaker 1 (01:05:25):
Asparos say unemployment right.
Vishana Fagu, from YouthUnemployment, says youth
unemployment is proportionatelyhigher than the national average
.
It's used in the country.
Right when you see, this isnever a good sign.
This is from economist DrMarlene Atts.
Well, the article is by VishanaFagu and they talk.
Have some words here fromeconomist Dr Marlene Atts, a

(01:05:48):
name you might know.
Right, the fear of remainingunemployed after years at
universities prevalent amonggraduates and those waiting
after graduation.
And for Shamila Singh, it hasunfortunately become a
depressing reality.
Singh earned a degree in socialwork from the University of
West Indies in 2019.

(01:06:08):
Express Singh, who earned adegree in social work from the
University of West Indies in2019.
Express feeling like she hasbeen begging on the streets for
a job since graduating.
It's frustrating and assign ahelplessness.
I feel as though I'm on thestreets begging not for food but
for a job.
The sad part is I am stillpaying for my student loan.

(01:06:31):
I do voluntary work for freedomto rise and nonprofit
organization and, although I cangive my time, I am not able to
help financially as I would loveto do.
Stress sing Now.
According to the latest dataavailable from the CSO, the
unemployment rate in thiscountry fell during the third
quarter of 2023 when compared to2022.
According to the central banks,stated in the latest economic

(01:06:54):
bulletin for 2024.
The unemployment rate, measured3.2% in the third quarter of
2023, markedly lowered only 5.4%recorded in the same period
last year.
The declining ratesunemployment in 2023 aligns with
the observed strength in thedomestic economic activity led
by the non-energy sector.
Number of persons or jobsincreased by 20.8 thousand

(01:07:17):
persons in the third quarter of2023.
The unemployment rate is lowernow.
This information, however, doeslittle to help sing.
I am at the point where I wantto give up.
The employer's consultativeassociation pointed out that the
unemployment rate, according tothe CSO, is particularly high

(01:07:37):
among young people, standing ata rate of 9.3% as of the third
quarter of 2023.
They went on to break downgender and so on.
In terms of gender, the femaleunemployment rate measured 4.1%
in the third quarter of 2023,markedly lower than the 6.2

(01:07:58):
recorded in the same period ayear prior.
Meanwhile, the femaleparticipation rate decreased
from 47 to 48%, while the malerate is increasing.
A few things I want to pullapart here.
When you see the unemploymentrate going down, but the rate of
the unemployed among the youngis getting higher, or not going
down.
That's, of course, a issue,right, because then you have

(01:08:19):
people who join in the workforcewithout much options to get
work.
They don't know where is theclear career path or how they
are going to get employed.
And then the second part of itis you see a reduction in the
rate of unemployed women, somore women getting work versus
males in the workforce.
Where seeing an increase in theamount of unemployed males.

(01:08:45):
It's two things that I hadobserved over the years.
Right, I have lectured since Ithink 2010 is when I was second.
All the way I have been in aclass with more men than women.
In a class now with 52 peopleand I think they have about 5 or
6 men.
That has always been the caseand that is a good

(01:09:09):
representation of the numbersand the way the numbers have
been.
For many years when I startlecturing, they might have been
not that big of a disparity.
If I had a class with 25 people, it might have 8 or 9 men
Always had more women, but nowwe are finding there are smaller
and smaller percentage of menin the class.
I wonder sometimes if we planfor these things as a society.

(01:09:34):
We take a look at it.
I was talking to my partner aswell who was in Yui, and he was
telling me that when I was oncampus, I was on campus with a
bunch of good people who a lotof us remain friends up to today
, but he was telling me that theyoung black male is missing
from campus as a whole.
You are not seeing them at all.

(01:09:54):
You will see the girls, but theyoung black men they are not on
campus whatsoever.
It's a worrying sign in thatwhat was happening with the
youth or the young men who wasstriving for tertiary education
when I was in Fatima might be abad example.
That probably skewed, but whenI went to Tranquil, a good bit

(01:10:18):
of the youths in Tranquil Wait,I was saying upper level when we
were in Form 6.
When we were in Form 6, a goodbit of us were talking about
tertiary education.
Form 6 was a route to tertiaryeducation.
So I mean all of us, several ofus, were in Form 6 together.

(01:10:38):
So that's all for today.
Thank you for watching.
Coming my good partner, sheldon, comments from tranquil
yesterday and Sheldon told me docouple degrees and a master's
degree and he gonna finish uphis lower degree soon.
Rest in peace to my boy, marlon, who was also a if you had seen

(01:10:59):
me a police officer whounfortunately lost his life in a
altercation in Kuba last week.
He went tranquil as he was inform.
Six others as well, our WestmanJames, I believe Westman is
Chief Justice in Belize orsomething like that.
I hope I have some part of thatright.
But all of us was in tranquilin the levels together, and
everybody who I was there withwas looking at what they going

(01:11:19):
to do at tertiary level and howthey going to improve my service
here at the same birthday shedoing great things traveling the
world, I think.
She working in oil and gas,roger Ceeley, all of us I would
boil all these names too, butall of us were there looking
forward to what happens next,like where we going for tertiary

(01:11:39):
education.
So if you have less youth goinginto tertiary education black
youth in particular, and blackmen, even more isolation I think
that it tells you about wherethe society is now and how we
got here, and it gives you agood idea what to expect in the
next 10 years.
You know I like my career inpoverty and know that I'm
excused for crime, right, butwhat I used to hear a lot on

(01:12:03):
Salute Naldo and Jude, who usedto do the alternative
perspective podcast.
A big part of what they used totalk about is not so much
poverty and linked to povertyand crime, but linked to
disparity and crime.
So, in other words, if you havetoo big a wage gap or two, you
have people who, making goodmoney, seem to be corrupt and
doing well and you have peoplewho, no matter how much they do

(01:12:26):
the right thing, they can't seethe way at all.
Is really where doing is isyou're creating a tertiary level
education for a criminal sectorthat will come up in the
country over time, unfortunatelya criminal sector.
We get stronger and strongerand stronger over time if we do
do something to arrest itdrastically.
Arresting it by getting moreyouth interested in bettering

(01:12:49):
themselves and making thememployable and they could see
the right quote, unquote, rightpart.
Getting them to the financialgoals and so on is one way, but
that's gonna take a long time.
So that change that we talkingabout in the education system,
or that change and more youthsbeing unemployed or coming out
without with a degree and nokind of work, that didn't happen

(01:13:11):
overnight.
And reversing it ain't gonnahappen overnight either, but
it's a little bit of a worryingstatistics I want to talk about
a little bit here because I'mnot sure what is the development
plan to change this.
We still have a system whereand we propagate or we prop up a
system for a long time where,no matter what it is, you want
to study what it contributionsto national development, what

(01:13:34):
industries we have here toabsorb those people and to help
them not just to get a job andto get pay, but to help them
have an outlet to achieve thegoals and to achieve what they
want in life and self-actualize.
You just learn people going tothe tertiary education systems,
home and abroad, pay for it outof taxpayers dollars and you're
just in care what they do.

(01:13:55):
It does seem as though there wasany national policy that says
okay, what we want next year isa proper industry in, let's say,
we want to do garmentmanufacturing.
I was just reading somethingthat said that garment
industries are one of thesethings that you could look at as
the whole developing nations orwhole cities or communities

(01:14:17):
develop in developing countries.
So when you do garmentmanufacturing, it employs
particularly women.
A lot of women still getemployed.
They learn a new skill, theystart actualizing.
They can help their familiesand the communities grow around
these garment factories thefellow was talking about in
places like Thailand and Chinaand no South Africa and so on.
So let's assume you want to dogarment manufacturing, then is

(01:14:40):
it that we have a CUT and a UEthat say, okay, I will
incentivize you further if youget into things like design and
merchandising or textiles orwhatever the degrees are?
It seems as though we justdon't have a.
We don't have a plan.
We don't have a plan for wherewe want to be as a country and
then what will be the humancapital that we need to take us
there?
So we put in youth in ourposition to win.

(01:15:02):
We put youth in our positionwhere we just basically tell
them if you get a degree, you'llbe alright, you know, I mean,
if you will be fine, you get adegree, you're gonna do better
and you're gonna.
But again, when you do thatdegree in social work and the
government is your largestemployee in the country and
we're not doing more to developthe social work arm of the
government, the pay in great,you know.

(01:15:23):
I mean, what does it create foryouth to go in in there?
And then, if there is a case.
Why not direct youths away fromthere and start doing some
counseling at a national levelto tell them okay, these are the
degrees that we're going to payfor.
These you gotta pay for out ofyour own pocket and we tell
anyone time, listen, if you takea loan to do this thing.
The social sector small here,so you gotta go Canada and we

(01:15:44):
help you to.
You know if you're not helpingyouths fulfill the dreams we
have in our major issue.
But again, not what I hear for,not what I am here for, just
food for thought, right, foodfor thought.
Again the biggest story in thecountry because all this went
under the radar.
I don't nobody in saying notmore youth unemployment, but
cats in a tree.
So why not come here and findfor you the greatest set of cats

(01:16:09):
songs that they ever had?
They have one in particularthat I like a lot by an artist
that I also like a lot, and Iwant to play that thing out.
This is a man by the name ofBlakey hold on.

Speaker 8 (01:16:59):
It's one way to get a relief.
So the plan one night tocapture the thief and the
calling by the neighbors, sonand the boys, to push the cash
standard around the runningwheel oh.

Speaker 3 (01:17:41):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I am Ba-da, ba-da, ba-da, ba-daba-da, ba-da.
Ba-da, ba-da ba-da, ba-da.

Speaker 8 (01:17:53):
Ba-da, ba-da, ba-da, ba-da, ba-da, ba-da.

Speaker 3 (01:17:56):
The first time nobody did do is a position to keep it
, so the person is sent home forthe CID, the worries of a man
hanging around selling power.

Speaker 8 (01:18:07):
Well, the police men then tell them that the time of
the year is not a human friend.
They go to believe the policewas right until the January
procedure.
Tonight they run in the streets.

Speaker 9 (01:18:20):
Holy cozy, holy cozy, holy cozy, cozy, cozy, holy
cozy, holy cozy, holy cozy, cozy, holy cozy, holy cozy, cozy,
holy cozy, holy cozy, cozy, holycozy, holy cozy.

Speaker 3 (01:18:46):
Holy cozy, cozy, cozy , cozy cozy, all night long, all
night long, all night long.

Speaker 8 (01:19:04):
Some lighty, busy people run all the cars with
knife and bowl vessel.
I fell on the calling keep away.
I've a bad old, just like mytippy.
He say play key long time Iplanning for when I war rockets
him, I'm on blank spill, I getred.
If I hold up to see tonightthen you run the day holy posy,

(01:19:28):
holy posy, holy posy, I'm gonnasee it.

Speaker 9 (01:19:32):
Holy posy, holy posy, holy posy, holy posy, holy posy
, holy posy, holy posy, holyposy, holy posy, holy posy, holy
posy.
Hold holy posy, holy posy, holdholy posy, holy posy, holy posy
, hold holy posy.
Historically holy posy, holyposy.

Speaker 3 (01:19:47):
Old väleta burg��, la lover, la loverожет, la
loverfront side root ball lalover, la lover, la lover.
Yoy, yoy, yoy, la, la, la, la,la, la, la, la, la, la la la, la

(01:20:09):
, la la.

Speaker 8 (01:20:11):
That night was a big confusion.
Men with big stick all in thejunction, my neighbor, I missed
a lot of cost.
Why all you men so advantageousto dump them big wood and go
back home?
The cow to be is one cat alonethe girl.
So bexman sees that of mine.
Oh, little hen, I'm pushing myHa ha ha ha.

Speaker 9 (01:20:33):
Oh my, my, my, my, my , my, my mirror, king R스� Pig is
there is.

Speaker 1 (01:20:58):
Please say the great, make you, boy, hard to beat.
I want to talk to you about andagain I probably gonna name a
segment of this podcast, theMichael Mondizzi segment, right?
Well, you know all you knowabout love here with his fella,
right?
And here are the articles Iwanted to highlight real quick.
A little bit of Cannaval again,right, I don't know where

(01:21:19):
you're all to the Cannaval, butthe headlines are perfect 10.
Leon Smoot Edwards makingpanorama history.
I want to highlight that realquick.
Leon Smoot Edwards createdhistory at the National Panorama
Finals on February 10th.
He was one of the all timeleading 10th large conventional
bands titled when his MasseyTrinidad All-Stars titled BP
Renegades for the 2024 panoramatitle at the Queen's Park,

(01:21:41):
savannah in Port of Spain.
The win put the legendaryTrinidad All-Stars arranger in a
class by himself and one titleclear of the late iconic BP
Renegades star arranger JitSamurai.
You know, jit, it was All-Stars11th overall win, having won
their only other title with RudyWells arrangements and of the

(01:22:04):
late Maestro Kitchener'sRhinorama in 1973.
Only Desperados, with 12 titles, and Renegades, with 13 now,
have won more than All-Stars.
Smoot, however, humbly shiedaway from the individual
plaudits when the kitchenerypointed out the remarkable feat
on Friday and instead said thatthe band itself securing 11th
title triumphs his individualaccomplishments Quoted as saying

(01:22:28):
.
I think the significance ismore for the band than myself.
I've been a member of the bandsince 1968 and it was always our
members' ambition to be numberone.
We strive, we work hard and weburn the midnight oil to make
sure the band could still carryon today.
So many other bands didn't makeit this far.
All-stars in his heart, now 72smooth lives, breeds and bleeds

(01:22:50):
trinidad All-Stars.
He joined the band whileattending Queensborough College
as a 16-year-old.
Back then, smoot saysleadership was the foodest thing
from his mind, as just playingon the All-Stars tenor front
line was an honor enough.
I just joined to play to be amember.
I never knew I would be inleadership.
In those days there was acertain satisfaction you get
from just playing.
I can't quite explain it.

(01:23:11):
It was as though it was acalling.
Everything else went out thewindow when you played.
You was just happy.
There's a joy that comes fromplaying the pan.
Every trinidad and Tebegonational should get a feel.
I don't know if it has to dowith the instrument being born
in Trindad, but coming up fromthe early days.
Well, from a lower class familywithout a piano or any
household, they had access to apan and you could fully utilize

(01:23:35):
it.
In late 60s Smoot found TrindadAll-Stars a disciplined bunch of
panists.
He recalled the band leader,police sergeant Jerry Jemot,
running a very tight ship.
Smoot said he followed thatexample when he took the helm in
75.
Let's say from the first day itwas the band ambition to be
number one, coming under JerryJemot, our old sergeant from the
police band.

(01:23:57):
He put that sting in us whenthe other band was sleeping.
We was laboring, trying toprotect our craft.
Is that same attitude I bringto the arrangements, leaving no
stone unturned duringpreparations?
It's important because youdon't want the standard of the
band to fall, not under my watch.
Listen, he went on to talkabout being your own critic and

(01:24:19):
being meticulous in his approachand so on.
But there was a particular partof this that I want to highlight
Again.
Congratulations to All-Stars,congratulations to Smoot.
I mean that's an amazingaccomplishment.
To pass the names of JitSamaroo will go down in history
and to put your name your namewas done well in history, right,
but to solidify it and have themost panorama wins as our

(01:24:40):
ranger is our accomplishmentsand our feet on its own.
The leader he is, because Ilove this part where he talks
about every Trinidadian shouldplay pan and feel what it feels
like, and he talks about notbeing able to explain it right
and saying that is like hiscalling.
This thing is from here andit's of us, and this is why
we're trying to be talking about.

(01:25:01):
When people say this argument isstill going on about who will
copy Trinidad Cannaval andnobody will come back for
Cannaval and cannaval will bedead and prices too high and
it's just a cycle.
The copying of Cannaval, as Isaid a few episodes ago, is
really just the commercialaspects of Cannaval.
Is business people copying ourbusiness?
Is Starbucks making money inthe States or somebody wants to

(01:25:24):
bring a Starbucks down here?
I think we have a franchisingmodel that could rival the
Starbucks and McDonald's and KFCas well.
I mean not looking at that.
We have songs and fets and massbands and things that people
franchising and taking aroundthe world is the only genre of
music where when you have a hitsong, it guarantees the last
year because we have a Cannavalon tour until it reach back here

(01:25:46):
next year January and I thinkwe underestimate that sometimes
and we're so frightened to loseit that we're not willing to let
go at all, and stifling it morelikely to kill it than letting
it go.
Don't worry about peoplethrowing fettin' Jamaica and
flight price to go Jamaica andthe focus on what we have here
and the elements that we havehere that, as smooth as we can

(01:26:09):
explain, is something inside theway that we can explain, and
that is why people will pay tocome here and see the thing here
for themselves.
People go to the Louvre not justto see the paintings themselves
, but to be a part of theexperience that the Louvre gives
.
The things in the Louvre isgoing to tour them.
Things could be in othermuseums and other places in the
world, but the Louvre is goingto be one of the longest lines

(01:26:30):
in the hot sun and the highestprices for things to stay.
People go in Disney for areason, right.
People go in there for acomplete and immersive
experience which Trinidad andTobago Cannaval continues to
offer, and salute to both smoothand Michael Mondes if you're
always staying up to date, butif you mention Kitchener and you
just want to talk about a songabout Cat, I don't think you

(01:26:51):
could leave it, though I have atopic you could talk about
without finding a song fromKitchener about that the gear
one.

Speaker 5 (01:27:26):
The gear one.
The gear one.

Speaker 6 (01:28:28):
The gear one.

Speaker 5 (01:28:58):
The gear one.

Speaker 6 (01:29:32):
The gear one.

Speaker 5 (01:29:34):
The gear one.
The gear one, the gear one, thegear one, the gear one.

Speaker 1 (01:30:13):
The gear one.

Speaker 3 (01:30:16):
The gear one.

Speaker 1 (01:30:22):
The gear one, the gear one, the gear one, the gear

(01:30:45):
one, the gear one, the gear one, the gear one, the gear one,

(01:31:12):
the gear one, the gear one, thegear one, the gear one, the gear

(01:31:34):
one, the gear one, the gear one, the gear one, the gear one,

(01:32:03):
the gear one, the gear one, thegear one, the gear one, the gear

(01:32:30):
one, the gear one, the gear one, the gear one, the gear one.

(01:33:00):
We might not only be making theWorld Cup, we might be looking
to win the whole damn thing.
Dream Big, you know what I mean, let me, let me just tell you.
But hey, what's smooth?
Say Smooth, say somethinginside me that I can understand.
Dream Big, go after where youhave to go after, right, be
number one.
So I look into theBundesqualifier now, if they're
under 20, doing so good when welooking to win this thing.

(01:33:23):
I can't know what to say.
I know I can't know what to say.
I have a thing to go and do.
This week is a very long week,so I'm getting out of the dugout
.
I can leave with a few.
I have a few want to leave with, you know, because they have
somebody again who, I want tosay, is like the king of cats.
It's a king of cats becausethere's nobody who have more

(01:33:45):
cats than the great mightySparrowley over here.

Speaker 5 (01:34:13):
Sitting in me at a composing summer music.
A strange conversation capturedmy imagination.
I thought I was dreaming, Ithought I was going crazy.
Next to where I said ma oratwas questioning ma orat how do
you put this on no man's power?

Speaker 1 (01:34:34):
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no, sparrowley mad at them.
I'm listening.
What we, what we did, let me,let me try this again with
Sparrow.

Speaker 3 (01:34:43):
He, he he.

Speaker 5 (01:35:07):
Music, no my, have a cat, nothing wrong with that,
but she never soup.
Have a pussy too.
These girls and their pussiesliving next to me, I carry, I
carry.
I catch me back here in whenthey pussy me cause.
Whole day, whole night, pussyquarrel me, they're scratching,

(01:35:30):
they're biting, they'rescreeching, they're fighting.
Whole day, whole night, pussyquarrel me.
I get up, I set up, I fed up.
They wouldn't stop.
Whole day, whole night, pussyquarrel me.
I got a shit on the bed with apillow on the head and Whole day
, whole night pussy quarrel me.

(01:36:13):
Music.
No, my pussy cat never catch arat, but this my ghost shawing
so ugly and fat.
One morning I took him oneholding his side.
So much noise pussy made thewhole neighborhood wake.

Speaker 3 (01:36:29):
I have to run and hide and hold him, hold him
Whole day whole night, pussyquarrel me.

Speaker 5 (01:36:35):
They're scratching, they're screeching, they're
biting, they're fighting.
Whole day, whole night.
Pussy quarrel me.
I get up, I set up, I fed up.
They wouldn't stop.
Whole day, whole night pussyquarrel me.

Speaker 1 (01:36:47):
They're scratching, they're biting, they're biting
they're holding One of myfavorites a little slower by the
gay ass slice of it, and maybeit could be.
I mean, it takes some years,but it might be the first time
I'm playing a black prince songon this and I don't want to tell
you it's not the first time Ihad it to play.
It's just that all black princerecordings are so long and

(01:37:08):
somebody may really stop.
But I want to get this onebecause I like it a lot.

Speaker 7 (01:37:13):
Da da da da da da da da da da da da da, da da da da.
Boi-rooi, boi-rooi,Ba-da-da-da-da-da,
bak-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da.
Every man does have a differentdesire Some love to pull rank

(01:37:37):
or be a old leader, some love tobecome old basketball player.
Doctor, my district a prominentlawyer.

Speaker 1 (01:37:53):
Yes.

Speaker 7 (01:37:56):
Talking about me, prince only have one desire.

Speaker 1 (01:38:01):
And what is that?

Speaker 7 (01:38:03):
Since I used to run about in Diapaa.

Speaker 1 (01:38:07):
And so.

Speaker 7 (01:38:10):
And now I'm going over the hill.
You know, I still have the will.
What?
Oh, it's just one wish I wantto fulfill.
Yes, to kill a cat has alwaysbeen my desire.
To kill a cat Ever since I wasa young fella.

(01:38:34):
No big stick or no hot water,just strength and stamina, what
my girlfriend tell me.
The thought is divine and I'llonly kill a cat in my mind.
Da, da, da, da, da da.

Speaker 1 (01:38:56):
Da, da, da.
And then we go over to BlackPrince thing here and then you
go to sleep and play in BlackPrince and the play and Black
Prince was great as well.
I have to leave you with thisone because it's important.
Last week I came here and I didmy Cannaval Wrap Up, which I
enjoy doing.
I enjoy seeing the back ofCannaval.
As much as I love to seeCannaval come, I like to see it
go to.
Let me get back to some senseof normalcy, but I want to

(01:39:17):
salute the great chromatics andleave you with this one.
Cannaval Wrap Up 2024.
It's how much to say about it?
Because it speaks for itself.

Speaker 4 (01:40:06):
It's how much to say about it because it speaks for
itself.
It's how much to say about itbecause it speaks for itself.

(01:40:31):
Cannaval Wrap Up 2024.

Speaker 1 (01:41:06):
itself.

Speaker 4 (01:41:45):
itself.

(01:42:21):

(01:42:55):

(01:43:25):

(01:44:16):

Speaker 1 (01:45:02):
itself.

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