Episode 229 | Kiegs - Corie Sheppard Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
So, listen, welcome back.
We have a guest today I want totell all about right, I don't
introduce guests, right, right,but I do introduce these guests
Because when you get to knowthese fellas, one of the nicest
people you're going to meetfamily man, parang soka man,
soka man, host, corporate man.
But I will tell you this, oneof the most annoying men you've
ever met on a football field isthe most sick.
I have an Achilles rupture.

(00:20):
I'll Achilles rupture.
Tell all about this.
Some years ago, I waited forthis man to come here.
Since then, oh yeah, I rupturedmy Achilles three years ago
because of this man.
I would like to welcome Keex,dr Keegan Barrett, dr.
Mr the Honorable Right KeeganBarrett, what's up, keex?

Speaker 2 (00:36):
I have a problem with that introduction I have a big
problem.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
We've been waiting three years and two surgeries to
introduce the man who wasresponsible for rupturing my
right Achilles.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
I have witnesses who could confirm I had nothing to
do with that?
Who witnesses Everybody on thefield, brother Folks, there are
many reasons why people rupturetheir Achilles.
In this man's case it was a bitof acceleration at a premature
rate.
You know, when you start to getolder you do a lot of things

(01:07):
prematurely and over-maturely.
Acceleration is one of them.
I was nowhere close to the ball.

Speaker 1 (01:13):
In fact I was able to help him up, but I thought he
was close.
When the ball people don'tunderstand right, it never
starts with sports.
Somebody's got to understand,no, the ball come.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
First I was drinking rum with a fellow named jade
brown too.
He's probably he come in, right, he come in too.
So we go address that then.
I distinctly remember when itdid happen right, so you was
there you did call my name andsay keegs, where's that?
I remember that when you'reball out and you're one keegs,
where's that one?

Speaker 1 (01:39):
but here the funny part about it now, when I ball
out that and I turn around, youare safe distance away from me.
What's your ball?
Because I tell myself Keegscoming, because when you're
playing football with Keegs,this man is coming.
You have no free time whenKeegs defending right, so I take
off telling myself you'recoming and I accelerate because
I would need to accelerate.
Yeah, you're trying to beat.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
I don't like it.
I confuse Sonny Ball Kiggs.
Where's that one?
I don't know.
I try and figure out where'sthe context here.
Like you want me to assesswhere's the injury, I try and
figure out why you calling myname.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
That's why I introduce Dr Keegan Barrett,
because I say you, the man, fixit.
If you're up to it, you shouldfix it.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
The irony is, we have a doctor on the feel at this
point in time.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
And here now the doctor come, he watch it.
He say yeah, boy, drop your gun.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
Yeah, go on one time, One time.
Yeah, you even check it, Eventhe man of hope, he say, nah,
that gun.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
So it goes, boy.
Well, welcome, brother, friendof the show.
It's been a long these episodesand your name came up when we
were talking to Eddie Right,because Eddie talked about the
difference between Soka Parangand the Soka scene.
He was a man in the Soka scenein the 90s, maybe from the early

(02:52):
90s up to today.
I grew up on Eddie too, Rightall of us right, and Eddie was
talking about the differencebetween the Soka and the Soka
Parang circuit, right, but whatI want to ask is you, a man,
could sing Every time you hearyou could sing, sing, and that's
not true?
Yeah, tell me that's not true,that's not true.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
Let me put it in perspective.
The average person on thestreet cannot sing.
Right, I could kind of sing.
So when they hear me sing, theyfeel I could really sing yeah,
better than average.
But I know singers I'm with youand singers people who identify

(03:30):
as singers could rather sing.
The problem is most singersdon't really have original work
Right, so you don't hear a lotof singers out there For people
to know.
Hey, this is what a singer doessound like.
But when you go to concerts,you know and your vocalists come

(03:50):
out, or even you go to like amarionette and they send out a
lead vocalist yeah, you want todance.
That is how you just hear whata singer sounds like.

Speaker 1 (03:59):
Yeah, I am not a singer and I've never considered
myself a singer well, it mustbe the comparison point, because
among paranderos, I'm aparandero myself.
I won't tell you that he's asinger to a man like me.
Well, so again.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
I feel like that would have been one of the
points that gave me theconfidence to come out and
decide.

Speaker 1 (04:18):
Well, I have what it want to be an artist boy we
gotta go way back.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
So we're going back, before anything with suka parang
at all.
Right, in my early that is 20sthereabouts, or probably even
say 1920, right, I've always'vealways been in church, right,
right.
So in the church choir notnecessarily singing, playing
drum there was somebody to playguitar.
They sent us going to playguitar a little bit Then to play

(04:53):
guitar.
I used to play pan when I wasabout five years old, six years
old, I stopped somewhere around10.
Then there's somebody to playsteel pan, pan.
Start back playing pan.
But I was always in the choir.
Um, there was a priest whodecided to have a kind of
carnival show.
Right, calypso, rap, sowhatever.

(05:14):
Because now mine, kylealexander and myself decided to
do a rap.
So, okay, we went to do a rap.
So nice little ditty.
Um, I thought a priest calledfather o'Connor who used to
always, whenever he preaching,he could have his sermon.
This week he'll say sex, sex,sex, money, money, money.
That's what everybody have.
Next week again, the readingcould be totally different sex,

(05:38):
sex, sex, money, money, money.
It's coming back again.
What church is this?
So that was.
Um, sacred Heart, rsc,gasparillo, oh, gaspar in mind
it coming back again.
What church is this?
So that was Secret Art, rscGasparillo.
Oh, gasparillo, okay, gotcharight, so naturally we the rap.
So come about with.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
That's the context so basically we approach it as
that's what everybody chasing.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
So we're talking about ills in society and
bringing it back to nobodyreally care about each other At
the end of the day.
Sex, sex, sex, money, money,money.
That's just what Father Okonasay.
Right, and that's how we go.
I like it From the rap.
So now I realize, like I kindof like this writing lyrics,
kind of vibe.
So we're talking about 1920.

(06:19):
Right, I actually wrote Calypsoand entered the Casper
L'Eucalyptus competition.
Okay, right, the first timearound, I think, I came third in
the competition CasperL'Eucalyptus Monarch.
Right.
By the time second time aroundcame, I was working at NGC.
Ngc now have NGC Calypsocompetition.

(06:41):
So Marlon edwards, right, um,if you're not familiar with the
name, he would have been um,performing competing in young
kings calypso monarch at thispoint in time, right, so the
competition stiff, but going up,right, and wrote a calypso and
I ended up winning gasparcalypso competition.

(07:02):
I believe marlon beat off mysocks inparillo Calypso
competition.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
I believe Marlon beat off my socks in NGC Calypso
competition, but Gasparillodidn't take them.
Yeah, but Gasparillo has takenthem.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
So he was more experienced, you know, writing,
performing right, all of thesethings.
But the experience was niceright Continued to write Calypso
for about two more years.
They had my energy companies.
Calypso competition Went upthere.
Marlon beat my game, no problem, but um, I took the road match.
Oh yeah, they have a road match.
Yeah, in that competition.

(07:31):
Nice right could barelyremember this song exactly, but
the chorus was like it'scarnival, it's bacana.
It was a nice little tune, just,and I I always used to write my
songs Kind of like under thegood vibes Kind of thing,
because especially with Calypso,I felt like Every time I'm in a
Calypso competition.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
It's wailing and lamentation.
Oh gosh.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
Everything is.
Is either Somebody dead?
We had to get the guns off thestreet.
It's a nation building and ifall that fails, sing about God.
You see, god, you can't lose.

Speaker 1 (08:08):
You can't lose if you sing about God, so, but here
the singers.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
Singers come from the church too, so very
surprisingly, the year I won,right the song, again, I'm not
on the goal and the nationbuilding, because it's how, if
it's at 20, I win thecompetition.
19, nation building becauseit's out.
If it's a 20 year in thecompetition, right, 19, let me
say 18, because that one mansinging nonsense, right, but 18
of them singing about god andnation building, I come in that

(08:34):
year.
If I could remember, boy, I wasum.
Gone are the days when calypsonyans used to be leading
carnival bands.
They say soka.
Now is the thing, cause Kaizohave no rhythm.
But I say no, no, we bringingback Calypso, right.
So it was basically aboutCalypso.
You're playing mass, you hearCalypso, you don't have to stop

(08:56):
and you want to hear Soka?
We out there on the road, weenjoying meself Calypso just as
important as Soka, even in therevelry, right, when you win a
road match with that no, Ididn't win, the road match was a
proper yeah, yeah, it's kind ofall this back and all yeah, no.
At the end of the day, thepeople is the people and the

(09:16):
people want what they wantunderstand that.
Yeah, yeah, so that was where itstarted for me to write in
music and perform it right,right.
Not sure what was the reason.
I know my dad would have diedwhen I was 21.

(09:37):
That changed a lot in my life,right things like me writing
exams at the point in timepursuing ACCA difficult.
I fell off with that.
I was working already,thankfully For a lot of money
too.
Wow, wow.
I feel like let's notmisrepresent any facts.
Let's represent any facts.

(09:58):
But yeah, so I feel like themusic as well was one of the
things that suffered throughthat period.
Right, I feel like the music aswell was one of the things that
suffered through that period.
I come from a family that wasmom, dad and me, no siblings, so
I had no way to really realizehow losing one person in that
three person unit would havedisrupted my mentality at a

(10:22):
point in time, not to say thatlife was hard or struggle or
anything like that, but that'sall I've known until that point
of course I have my mom thereand now, as a son, you feel like
you had to be strong for momsto say you're focusing on the
house kind of thing with you.
Yeah, so all of these things,and I feel like that would have

(10:43):
contributed to me kind of well,boy, let me just focus on my job
.
You know I work in thing,whatnot.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
At some point let me just enjoy life, because my dad
wasn't sick and ailing, to sayit was very sudden.
It was very sudden.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
Gotcha.
So all of that, I feel, hadsomething to do with it, right
Going through the motions.
Now we're talking about Yearsafter.
At this point in time, it'sdone, girlfriend, it's done
married, oh right, come back.
And what has been constant Isthat every Christmas, christmas
is a nice time.
I love my Christmas.
Right After Christmas, evenmass Cousins Coming together,

(11:23):
same we in the choir.
So who are the drum?
Who are the guitar Right?
Who have our talk-talk?
Who?

Speaker 1 (11:28):
have our tambourine.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
We're leaving from church now and we're hungry,
we're hungry.
I had to say that we're hungry,so we're going out.
Everybody don't know you.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
Remember you're in church.
Of course you're wrong.
The congregation is thecommunity.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
So from who living next to the church Start.
We're in front of your houseNow.
We don't know Spanish, we don'tknow Paran, but here we could
rail sing Baran, we could singScrunter.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
We could sing Kenny J and your lyrics.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
And your melody, and we singing and we jamming, Nice
nice playing, hooting bang, andthere's noise, we come in ham,
there's drinks, sweet bread.
We leave there.
We call in hey, what's going on?
By you, my mother now bakingbread Coming up, bread breaking
up.
We say, well, we're half anhour.
First we're going down here, wejamming, so we parang in, but

(12:18):
not necessarily with parang.
You're right, we soak ourparang in Gotcha and the soak
our parang in Gotcha In the samevibes as parang band going
about and everybody grateful forthe vibes, because in
Gasparilla especially too, a lotof people preparing for the
Christmas, christmas.

Speaker 1 (12:31):
Eve Right, of course, of course, of course.
Is that overnight thing?
We're not even waking people upout of bed.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
No, they're preparing A lot of them now reaching from
church as pop curtains.
It's how that man, everyChristmas, he now painting that
is his ritual, right, right, sohe grateful for the company.
Of course, he working vibes andhis vibes and we going down the
road and we eating, we drinkingright, and it was the 2017.
A man he live in Sandow or hisgirlfriend was live in Sandow,

(12:58):
right, he want to know if youcould come down there and no,
baby can't come by you.
We ain't gasping for a littlehere we ain't gasping for a
little here, brother.
We talking about Christmas Evemass used to be late.
We can't come by you and guitarman playing a thing and I can't
come by you.
I can't come by you, it don'tmatter what you do.

(13:22):
And that was the melody thatled to I want to eat the song
like you could make a song cuplike me.
And just over the year 2018, Isaid, well, let me see thing
thing and I realized we areright up on ice.
So this is the thing so I sawagain the influence of my life.
So my wife right recentlymarried and again we dealing

(13:43):
with you.
Get the ring on your finger andall the women and them watching
you know like, if you use thatpiece of meat, what do you mean?

Speaker 1 (13:49):
so the whole.
Thing so.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
So the whole song was about you know, you're trying
to be faithful, right?
So it had this woman, jennifer,trying to get me to come by.
She said I can't come by you,right?
So write up this song and sayboy, you know what?
I know nothing about recording,of course.
Right Before when I did theCalypso and stuff, I never went
in any studio recorded any ofthem.

Speaker 1 (14:19):
Right, that's just for yeah.
On the day Never recorded, youdidn't record a track or
anything that had a ban on it.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
It had a ban for the energy company.
Okay, so when?

Speaker 1 (14:27):
you got spray-loaded and everything.
How were you performing thatwas?

Speaker 2 (14:29):
me guitar.

Speaker 1 (14:30):
Seriously.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
Yeah, my cousin come and he play guitar Got you and I
was singing I'm with you, right, and that was it.
So now, no experience.
I go on Facebook and I say,well, hey, who to check?
Yeah, who to check To get aproducer?

Speaker 1 (14:49):
To sing a song as a post.
You're looking for information,yeah, before the day when
Facebook is allowed.
It's like a suggestion, so youjust make a post, yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
I just my own Post Right.
I'm looking for a producer Tosing a song Right, right, denet,
mark Nichols, that's Dennett,come in to say Mevon Soudin look
who you got.
Mevon Soudin explicit is theman.
Yeah, so again, it's 2018, sohe's still back in the days.
Mevon, still not really, yeah,he's not well known, not

(15:19):
explicit Mevon right.
So it was explicit entertainment.
So Mevon, I never hear aboutMevon, right, but I see a thing,
bang Say cool, he tag, tag him.
I click the tag.
Mevon Message him, say hey, Ihear you see man, take a look at
the song, I have a tune.
He say this time I am in CooverGoing up Diggumartin Sing the

(15:44):
tune for him.
He said well, yeah, I like itand that was it.
From then we started working onit.
Guitarist, come in Two artistswe had.
We didn't have any backgroundvocalists.
Oh, I got Shannon Navarro didbackgrounds on Come by you, and
I know Shannon from acting in aA play.

Speaker 1 (16:05):
A production Kuna.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
I even know how I end up.
In the play oh yeah, I was inthe play too.
I was in the play I Boy Excuseme, bill for stage Boy.
I have no idea how I end up Inthat production, but that's when
I met Shannon and Shannon,brilliant vocalist.
Right, shannon came down, didthe background vocals on it and
that was it.
Nice, no set of headache.
Right me going up my phone waseasy to work with.

(16:28):
Right, build the music aroundthe lyrics thing, what not?
And.
But we say we need some sort ofinstrument to just bring out
the tune.
Right, and I say no longer hearsteel pan in our song.
I see, and I'm thinking aboutwho I could call to play steel
pan.
It had no, joshua.

(16:49):
I remember the one thing at thispoint in time but I'm a new key
on the last from secondaryschool right, what secondary
school you in?
Presentation college, san.
Fernando man so what time isthis, I wonder?
If you could wrap up now, whyare you doing that?
Why are you doing that?

Speaker 1 (17:06):
I just grabbed that question yeah press man.
It must have been some pressman.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
It must have been some press man, right so I
called Kian and, boy, nohesitation, kian said, send him
the track, send him the track.
Kian sent back two full tracksof him playing through oh shit.
And then Mevon, so you get anoption.
Yeah, mevon, take that.
And he did his magic in termsof he cut and took from both
tracks what it is he thought weneeded and come by, you came out

(17:35):
and that was really whereKeean's today started from as a
Soka Parang artist, parangartist.
I with you, I with you, I withyou, I with you.
So it was really Accidental.
I didn't have no, hey boy, Ireally need to get Into this,
this hookah Parang scene.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
I really need to get Into this artist scene and I
aching to Go in the studio andrecord, but you realise when you
sing that Come by you.
You have something Like peoplereaction and all that or why?

Speaker 2 (18:06):
nah, not either people reaction.
I didn't get any sorta realpositive response no, not to
record any song.

Speaker 1 (18:17):
But when you house paragon, you realise you have
something when you keep singingit house to house and it have a
vibe.
Even then, nothing, no, eventhen.
So who make you connect?

Speaker 2 (18:23):
that you could go and vibe, but even then nothing, no
, even then.
So who make you?

Speaker 1 (18:25):
connect that you could go and record this.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
Even then, nothing.
I think what it really was is Ilike it, I got you, I got you,
I like it right.
And while while I would notcorroborate that I have a hell
of a bag working where I workright, I had enough money to go
in the studio and record it weget that oil money, you know.

(18:47):
So that was really it, I'd likeit, and I mean music as much as
it is a business, is art, and itwas my expression and I wanted
to put it out there.
Still now, very nervous, evento this day, I don't really like
to write with people Serious.
Yeah, it's just, boy, I like to.

(19:11):
I will come and ask you how thesong after I have enough
confidence in it, right, okay,and I know that's a handicap on
my part, right, but that's mylittle insecurity there when it
comes to creating, you know soit was really just.
You know so it was really just,but I like it.
My cousin would say, well, thatcould be a song thing.

(19:32):
He like it, I run it by my wife, I run it by my mom, them like
it.
But the first year when I sangCome by you and I actually did
another song, parang Priorities,because when I did did another
song Parang Priorities, becausewhen I did come by you, same
Facebook, our producer, he havea rhythm, if we know any soccer
parang artists.
So I come in and I say, well,look like.
I am one now Of course, ofcourse, went down by him, did

(19:54):
Parang Priorities.
Nobody else came on the rhythm,okay, or whatever songs was
done on the rhythm, wasn't sothat?
Ended up released as a singleRight, so I had two songs Right.
So you debuted with two songs inthe Christmas, two songs in the
Christmas and it might soundlike a nice thing, but my
experience in that first yearwas nobody wants to hear me.

(20:15):
I am now going on Facebookagain and I searching Parang
event, soka, parang event,seeing all the events, calling
the promoters and asking if Icould come and perform for free,
right, promotion, promotion.
I went on Amazon and Ipurchased a hundred flash drives

(20:37):
small flash drives, nothing toobig, it could only hold
basically the songs right, and Icarried that.
Bars, venues, the men on thestreets, and I carry that.
Bars, venues, the men on thestreets in town.
Shogun, sando, right, all theplaying music.
Yeah, see how that song.
Put that on a CD for me.
Mix Thing.
Go on to all the radio stations.
Email, leave it.

(20:58):
Trying to get interviews Thing.
Are people on the radiosRequesting this song?
Requesting this song?
You get your own people to callyeah, text and call Me begging
people to perform.
People telling me no, I want tocome and perform for free.
Nah, but we are not.
I saying, yeah, well, I'll justcome.
If your parang band Reach late,you need a space fill.
I have a fill in.
Every parang band Is reachinglate.

Speaker 1 (21:21):
Yeah, of course, for Christmas, every parang ban is
reaching late.
There's no such thing.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
So there, five minutes pass.
Hey, parang ban thing moregoing.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
Nah, now we're 10 minutes, so at that time the
promoters and them, they hearany song, you think?

Speaker 2 (21:33):
or they just Well.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
I am sending them the song.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
You, of course, right .
So there was one event done byPrevi.
That was the first one, right?
They say, yeah, come true,perform down there Again.
And the Soka Paran crowd is ahard crowd.
It's a hard crowd, but are they?

(22:00):
It's an established music.

Speaker 1 (22:01):
We don't want to hear nothing else.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
It's a hard crowd.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
People underestimate that it's an established music
we don't want to hear nothingelse.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
It's a hard job.
People underestimate that Boy.
Not a soul, a move, nothing, aman even watch me.
You swear as a DJ playing it.
Have nobody on stage, all right, no problem.
When I finished, the promoter Ithink it was Kelly, kelly is
his name, right he came and saidhey, good job, keep doing what
you're doing.
And that was enough.
That was enough for me to saywell, hey, I don't know what the

(22:30):
crowd's supposed to be likethis week.
First, am I doing it right?
But if you want to come andtell me, he felt like his event
had some value, of course Ipromote, understand so that was
me.
It had an event known inprincess song they.
They didn't fight me long,actually I said I'll come and
perform for you.
Come through.
Same thing the crowd had, but alittle one or two watch man.

(22:53):
Okay, all right.
Then I see the faces sayingthis might be something.
So just those little things iswhat really pushed me through.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
But that first year rough.
But I had to ask you becausemost of the people who I asked
this question I started to getto expect the answer with the
start of the school competitions.
But I mean they went press soit's not much competition but
most people come through thatschool competition so at least
by from primary school you wouldhear some of the bigger artists
talk about understanding themechanics of a stage, connecting
with a crowd, seeing what theresponse is.
But you learn that big youlearn that live.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
You learn how to do another song.
I had to learn that live.

Speaker 1 (23:27):
Yeah, yeah, that was it, it's a big difference,
because you know what I alwaysnotice the company competitions
might not be the best gauge ofit, doesn't?

Speaker 2 (23:39):
connect right.

Speaker 1 (23:39):
No no.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
Those people in those company competitions.
They came out to have a goodtime.
The average Chinbegunyan didn'tcome out to have a good time.
They came out for you To sitfar on and scrunch yeah and they
came out for you to make mehave a good time.

Speaker 1 (23:57):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's your work, brother.
Yeah, I'm with you, but this DJ, he's on stage.
You're entertaining, you'rebatting, you're the work.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
You're the work.
I didn't come out here to justhave a nice time, just so,
brother.
But I pay my money.
I didn't I out here, what youcould do to make me smile Of?

Speaker 1 (24:16):
course.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
What you could do and if you can't do it it's on the
back.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, rough, rough, it's different
Rough rough, different.

Speaker 2 (24:22):
No, even with the radio, my music wasn't played on
the radio.

Speaker 1 (24:26):
So that's why you say you didn't get much radio play
at all.
You hear it at all on the radio.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
Here's what happened.
Here's what happened with that.
The radio stations were notplaying the music at all.
But because people wererequesting the music constantly
and that one Sunday, mr GerardOn Street 100, right, say, boy,
too much people asking To hearthis song, they had to find out

(24:51):
he played from YouTube.
Ah, played from YouTube.
And then other people now,mm-hmm, say hey, that song, nice
boy Sing, what, not Right?
And then he messaged me onInstagram, mm-hmm, and asked me
to send these songs to him.
Now, okay, right.
And then he messaged me onInstagram and asked me to send
his songs to him.
Now, okay, right.
And it's after that.
that's basically when I had theopportunity to say go to
interviews on Suite 100, get themusic started to play, but

(25:14):
without him just doing thatpiece of charity for me I would
have still be here beggingpeople to yo send in a request
Let me see what we could do, anda flash drive on yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, right.
So it was still that uphillFighting, fighting and the songs
had a play, little bit bylittle bit.
So up to now you could stillhear Come by you On the radio

(25:36):
every Christmas.
Nice, right, the venues andperformances.
I feel like boy.
People don't like Parang, right.
People don't like Soka Parang.
People don't like Soka Parang.
You feel People like the line,right.
It's not about the music,people like the line.

(25:57):
The average performance for meis reach down to the venue and
it's Soka playing or dancehallplaying.
Even in christmas, or chutneyplaying, it could even be reggae
playing folks.
We now have some entertainment.
Oh man, I know, have to run out.

(26:19):
I like it and sing soca par,and we're spending Christmas
cheer here now.
In between, of course, and assoon as I done perform, it was
back to dancehall, chutney,reggae, soka, right, right, and
again, that's probably.
I can't even blame the DJ,because he probably there.
Yeah, he entertain people.
He probably there all night andhe playing Christmas, you know.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
And you realizing that he playing Christmas and it
not.
That he's playing Christmas andit's not doing anything when
you say it.
People waiting for you toentertain them.
So if they don't entertain them, it's stand up.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
So he's doing what he has to do as well, of course,
but that has been my experiencea lot of the time, even in the
Christmas events.
Christmas there's choking,right, it don't be a Christmas
event as much as we have Parangdown by this bar.
Advertisers Parang, but singerParang.
No, you'll get one hour ofParang and that's six hours,

(27:11):
yeah, between the Parang bandand Soka Parang artist, you'll
have one hour and people upsetwhen they see the thing.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
People see that as a dip in the event sometimes
Because I suppose In yourearliest days you're not doing
end part events, you're not inthat circuit or anything yet, no
, nothing yet.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
So I'm still trying to, on my own, find little
spaces where I could fit inright.
So the end part events now iswhere you'll find the parang,
yeah, the parang crowd andthere's still more parang so
yeah, parang, parang, yeah,you're not rocking a hard place.
So now on that end, and allthem are too interested in me.

(27:48):
Oh, I got you on that end nowbecause that is not parang.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
Them come for parang.

Speaker 2 (27:51):
Yeah, them is purist parang them come for parang
parang them really come for thatsoka parang thing, because that
is the thing now.
So for a sort of water dung,and no fault of theirs,
necessarily they're not in lovewith soca parang, because most
of it has been right, it's not.
So the disillusion immediatelywhen you hear soca parang after

(28:15):
sitting can you just say nextman coming again, right, this
thing, some sort of backhand,some sort of rudeness, right,
but my music has largely notbeen on that wavelength.

Speaker 1 (28:24):
Yeah, I'd actually that as a writer.
Is that deliberate?
Because when you listen to yourmusic you do a lot of double
entendre as a writer, I was herewith Ozzy Merrick a couple of
weeks ago, right, and he wastalking about a song he had
named Fan Mopolori.
Of course you can see wherethat goes as a writer, right,
because you see he had this bigmessage about family business
and his husband and wife goingaround the savannah.

(28:45):
He said nobody got that.
Everybody here find my Polaroidand Christmas started to become
a lot like that with SokaParang over the years.
Somewhere it went from Maria toseveral different types of
Dublin Tundra.
They're on the edge and youfind a way to do it.
That is not.
It could never be said to becrass or to be lewd.

(29:07):
Is that deliberate for you?

Speaker 2 (29:09):
as a writer.
Yes, and it's just come from aplace of um catering to the
audience, right?
So before I started music, Iwas an event host, and my whole,
so your hosting started beforemusic, long before, really long
before.
I was hosting events from 2009and that was with um quiesce's

(29:30):
wedding actually gotcha, gotcharight.

Speaker 1 (29:32):
Next man responsible for my Achilles rupture, whether
indirectly or not, because hisfamily took it.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
So I always had a gut into it.
Just from necessity on his part, he needed someone to do it.
But then people kept calling meto do it and it was kind of
like from a service Performing aservice, I kind of like serving
people, you know asking them tosmile on your face and making
your specialty even better, thatkind of vibes.

(29:57):
So when I was coming into theSoka Parang scene, I felt like
it had enough of that.
The crass, the understand, thenot so much double entendre,
yeah, not too double yeah.
So it had enough.
So the audience have that like,yes, somebody might say, well,

(30:18):
keegs, why those singers saywell, but you could get that
from any other artist.
They are ready.
So the, the section of theaudience that might appreciate
my music in terms of it notbeing the bacchanal or the, the
smut or crass, you know, mightbe smaller, but they are still

(30:40):
part of the audience, of course,of course.
So there's still christmasmusic coming out.
We have who looking for hey,where's the rude tune?
But it have a section of peoplewho are cleaning the house with
a chair, of course, and theywant to be able to put on music
that everybody could listen to,yeah Right.
So I just catering to that partof the audience so that

(31:00):
audience have something forchristmas.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
I will tell you and it's something that continues to
observe, because even doubleentendre is such a trinidadian
too, because the first one is inenglish, the next one is in
french we don't know how we doit no, we don't know how we do
it, but the thing is, doublemeaning does not mean smart,
because one of my favorite songsfrom you is like pay me.
yeah, I remember seeing you forthe first time doing pay me
again, I don't know who you areat the time and we we my father

(31:24):
and I have a band, ken kobe andfriends we play in the circuit
and we and I it's so funny whereyou talk about coming from the
church and going house to house,because we two know no spanish,
so we really just singing a fewsoca parang, so we can sort of
sing gin and dina and melda andthem thing.
Right, that's how I know, ashouse parang and I was at a
school in Monrepo.

(31:44):
Right, they had a performanceand almost exactly what you say
is what happened.
The Allard brothers and sisters, they have a band I forget the
name, all of them is doctors.
They have a Parang band.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
I think it's Dr.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
Allard.
Allard is his name.
Yeah, the sisters Tight, verygood band band and, um, they
asked us to perform and I thinkour engineer, something happened
, the guy who's usually set upthe stage for us didn't show up
and we our side of justcomparisons is four or five
people, right, yeah, get ourquattro buck place and we come
in to jam some tunes in ourschool.
You're going on that stage,nobody paying attention to what

(32:18):
happened on the stage becauseit's almost set up like a bazaar
and we went on and theirengineer kind of helped us with
leveling out and things.
So we do, we couple tune, do wescrunch and thing and we out,
we just jam it, we just get aspace and we do it.
And I remember ready, beingready to leave the venue.
And you come on and, um, you dopay me, and I find this is such
a clever song in terms of howyou write it.

(32:38):
But somehow pay me is a doubleentente, right?
So if people don't know it, thesong about you want to go by
people's house, you're hungry,like you say you're looking for
pay me, but you say nobody ain'twant pay me, because that's how
soca parang is to our music,and somewhere along the line
double entendre in this countrystarts to mean rudeness.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
I don't really mean that, it's an entendre.
I feel like if Sometimes it's alittle direct.

Speaker 1 (33:07):
So it's almost like if they hear the entange?

Speaker 2 (33:09):
yeah, and they feel that because it's french.
Yeah, that don't mean it hasn'tto do with meaning that entange
, right?
So, um, just a piece of info.
I went to money piracy, yeah,oh serious.
So that is why I was there.
I understand my mom was ateacher at money piracy as well,
well, so that's how come I wasthere Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha.
Right.
So when I was doing or writing,pay Me again, it was to have

(33:34):
the double entendre, butcatering to the audience, who
are not necessarily looking forthe rudeness because we were
double meaning, we were to beclever.
We're looking for a rudenessbecause we want double meaning.
We want it to be clever.
Right, we're looking for a nicemelody, but we already have, if
20 song releases for thisseason.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
You know, people like people, pay attention to some
artists when they do double, butthey don't even hear the ones
that they don't hear, some ofthe ones that they don't hear.
It's bad, yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
It's rough, it costs on the ears, especially as I get
to my age.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
It has some of those songs cannot play on the radio
yeah, it rough, it rough, itcannot play on the radio you
think is our ears get?
I was asked this when I recordedby myself is it my ears getting
sensitive as I get older?
Because we do listen to a lotof?
Let me say kenny g as anexample.
God bless his soul.
Right, we do.
Did it for a long time, thewoman brush.
I suppose in the 80s that was asong, real course.

(34:27):
Is it that our ears get moresensitive as we get older?

Speaker 2 (34:30):
No, that that paintbrush is probably a as
crass as it gets.
Yeah, that's the top of thehill.
But why I would always defendit is because as a child I had
no idea what that song was about.
I'll wait till you.

(34:50):
I'll wait till you.
As a child I was singing, IWant my Brush and as far as I
could remember in my head and myprocess, when I am thinking
about that song, it had no videoRight.
Thinking about that song, ithad no video right.
But I am seeing a man trying topaint and you want to paint the
kitchen and you want to paintthe living room and I want more
brush.
Yeah, right, not until teenageyears.

Speaker 1 (35:13):
I started and you know when it become obvious,
it's become real I want to hearit.

Speaker 2 (35:18):
but you don't even have to be christmas, I'm
looking for it.
You want to, but that's why Iwill come to the fence of
paintbrush, because, as more,you don't even have to be
Christmas looking for it.
You want to, but that's why Iwill come to the fence of
paintbrush, because, as a child,I don't know what that's about.
I find that to be the case for alot of them in our time.
So a lot of the music was so,so, very clever.
So paintbrush right, kenny JAlexander.

(35:40):
Now, for some it might soundobvious.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
I want.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
Alec.
No, no, I want Alec, yeah Right.
What would have probably helpedin my case is my mom's some
like them had actually knownAlexander, who he was talking
about.
So Kenny J used to always limein South and whatnot.
So if you're from South, morethan likely in that generation,
you cross paths with Kenny Jright south, more than likely in

(36:04):
that generation, across partswith kenny j right right.
So alexander was a real person,I see, I see.
So what them saying is yeah,alex, they used to call him alex
.
Oh, really.
So again, his life inspires theart, you know.
So, yes, it, it could be a nicelike I want, alex, and you feel
everybody oh, I want ac yeahyeah, yeah, like this, and Kenny
J hold on to it.
But he know and Alec probablystill don't know what this man

(36:26):
doing with my name.
Now, boy them calling me Alec,right, baron?
Um, she goes, start a ball if Iain't come.
Yeah, I was probably in my 20s,yeah, when you before.
That occurred to me what thesong?
Yeah, what's he hitting me?
The song's so well written that, as a child, or even a teenager

(36:49):
, picturing what the song istalking about, I am relating it
to.
Yeah, boy, people is reallywant me come by them for
christmas and I can't reach bythem.
Yeah, and things like that.
So now, I'm not sure that ourair is getting old.
It's not old.
I feel it's fed up Becausewe're going through it every
year and it's just distastefulin some cases.

Speaker 1 (37:13):
A lot of it is direct , a lot of it is not hidden.
Forget the hidden parts of itand what I feel hurts as well.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
I feel on the surface , subliminally it hurts because
it's christmas, right?
Yeah, of course it's christmas,of course, of course, at the
end of the day it's stillchristmas and even if it's not a
religious outlook you have onchristmas, christmas is still
supposed to be a kind of happyit's family.
You know it's not supposed tobe this jubilee morning and I
even feel my jubilee morningneed to be, yeah, that bad night

(37:45):
I will tell you something thatI observed right and you get
into it almost similarly to uswhere it's house parang.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
I think people who never had that house parang
experience mightn't understandpeople like your complaints.
Because when I have to go insomebody's house Christmas
morning I just remember goingand parang with my father in
Gasparilla itself and them daysare lost in the back of
Gasparilla, I don't know whereit is, and there a guy was with
us.
The man could sing.
He had good little songs.
He's writing his own songs.
So he decided, of course he'sexcited to sing his own song and

(38:14):
daddy only hushing up the man.
But I said why you not let youdoing, let me hear it and I pick
up and I go into them.
Boy, that man's song is.
I ain't buying cat in bag.
So I know to tell you the rest,kids are feeling a hole now
because people house Christmasmorning.
People come out in their dustcoat, that thing, and you know

(38:35):
you don't know what religion,the background, the tolerance
for smut.
So I could understand why youwould come through thinking like
that, because it seems asthough some of the artists who
in Cripsoka Parang now might notcome from, might not come from
any of that at all.
You know.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
Well, that that's a big part of it, right?
You don't know what you don'tknow, I suppose, right, and you
might not have sensitivity tocertain things.
The next thing is too, as anartist as an artist, young or
old you're coming out there,you're trying to score, right,
you're looking far forward,aren't you Right?
Now I have the benefit of Ihave a day job, good one.

(39:11):
Apart from a day job, I have aside job, right?

Speaker 1 (39:17):
As kids the event host Gotcha Gotcha, so Only I
gain one basket.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
Gotcha gotcha, so only air again one basket so
even if I come out for theseason and me again, don't set
out gigs and people arelistening to my money.
Life goes on for me and yourwife has a big Zumba cut run in
the country.

Speaker 1 (39:33):
There's a lot of you have a lot of incorrect
information.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
You have a lot of we're going to have to do our
video after this called thebunking.
We're going to need thatbecause you have some wrong info
so for a lot of these artists.
They're coming out and in theirhead we had a score.
So look last season here, bigup on Mel King of Hearts Maria

(39:59):
Box Dead.
Maria Box Dead, right, right,it's a hearts.
Maria box dead.
Maria box dead, right, right,it's a little bit over the line.
It's a little bit over the line, but the song is about he going
to perform by somebody's house.
Right, she bring out she boxfor him to perform.
The box dead, gotcha Right.
And if you listen to the song,the song really sticks to that

(40:21):
Right, that storyline.
That is how the box dead.
But Maria box dead.
There's a hook.
It have some people as theyhear that they completely turned
off, of course, of course.
But I'm telling you, yeah,after performing with that whole
Christmas season there andseeing different crowds, no,

(40:42):
maria Box dead, gone, there's ahit Gone.
There's a hit Right With thepeople.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And at the end of the day, yes,you could want to make all the
music that you want to make of acertain type, mm-hmm.
The music is not just for you,of course, of course.
So, yes, I want to make musicand I'm proud that I could put

(41:03):
on my music and play my musicAnywhere, and no skips.

Speaker 1 (41:06):
I could listen to my whole playlist and I want to
hear it.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
Hey, don't skip that song.
I want to hear that.
I like all my music and I enjoyit.
Yes, but the music is not justfor me to our audience.
I am happy that there are somany other men out there who
will fill that space?
That I don't have to do it, butI cannot tell you that we do

(41:31):
not need that music.
I cannot in good conscience saythat, because I can see people
want it, and as long as peoplewant it, it has a space for it,
that is what the audience wantsand the audience will control it
right.
That is what the audience wantsand as long as that is what the
audience wants, that is what theaudience will get, yeah, for

(41:52):
sure.
So the artists who are writingmusic and who are looking for
that forward, and they arelooking for that opportunity
this season for my song to hit.
When I perform in, when Iperform in, when I perform in
Nice Time, even if I perform inPME, if I perform in Come by you
, I get no kind of response thata man will get when he perform

(42:15):
in Maria Box.

Speaker 1 (42:16):
Dead.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
It'd be real.

Speaker 1 (42:20):
But let me ask you this, as you're talking about
this when you some of thesesongs, now you have a.
I let me ask you this, asyou're talking about this when
you some of these songs, now youhave a I was just telling you
this the other day you go end upwith one of the biggest
catalogs in Tokopang, right Atthe rate you go in, which is why
I foresee it, but by farbecause, number one, you're
writing your songs, right, yeah,good, so yeah, most people not
writing In any genre.

(42:40):
It's how most people notwriting the music right.
So is it your experience thatwhen you sing a song like Come
by Me, people might be.
You know you're watching it andthey didn't pay no mind, but it
builds over the years.
You find that to be experience?

Speaker 2 (42:57):
no, boy, what I have is a hope.
I have a hope.
I've not really seen it.
Now Kamba U has, I don't wantto say, a study test, our time,
right, right.
But it has been playing everyseason since.

Speaker 1 (43:12):
Right and the reaction when they perform it.
It's changing over the years.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
No, it is, it is not a song that you could get a
reaction from when you'reperforming, just like that, okay
, yeah, so you're the caterer tothe crowd, right, so Come by
you.
Before I sing it now, I willhave to preface it with boy this
song.
I write this song because I seea problem in society.
Right, ladies, all you have tostop liking people, man.

(43:37):
Yeah, you get attention.
So now, if I say, what wouldthat man say there I know I
could sing my song About come byyou and people paying attention
, oh, it's here.
But all that is theentertainment and the
performance, of course, right,but the song, again, is probably
of more value To the man homeCleaning his house With his
family For Christmas, listeningalong Christmas day, family come

(43:58):
over and music PlayingChristmas music.
That's probably where the valuegotcha is more than you're at an
event and you come to yesokaparang and you want to hear that
a lot of people come out thatevent and them feelers jump and
wave.

Speaker 1 (44:10):
Of course yeah that's something that I don't
understand because I never, Idon't, I don't go a lot of
parang events like about, and ifwe go we go into play and I go
on.
So I don't get to see the crowdand see how people respond to
things.
And plus we're singing real oldKaiso.
So I suppose we don't have thatexperience.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
Yeah, so it is tough.
Yeah, I bet you it is toughfrom that bottom.
Again, I it's hard to predictbecause I was not wrong when
Baron and Kenny J and Crazy andMarcia Miranda released their
music.
Right, but hear music.
But it would have been adifferent landscape for sure.
Yeah, but over the years now,when Barron sing Come Go, I'm

(44:46):
sure it didn't start off as ahit.

Speaker 1 (44:49):
No, no.
Plenty of Barron Christmastunes take long to build.
Spanish Woman is the latestexample I was telling you about
the other day.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
It was years before that song picked up, so that is
really where my hope lies in.

Speaker 1 (44:59):
But remember too that that is still barren don't tell
them fellas and them singing.
I mean his legacy cemented inChristmas.
But remember that at the end ofthe day, if the crowd think he
could say I'm the barren, youknow, they must be the real
sucker.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
They used to sing crazy too they would bring the
hits so I still dare with, butit's a long game.
It's a long game and even if itdoesn't work out to be that, in
the next, say 10, 15 years,christmas come and keys in her
name synonymous with christmas.
Yeah, at the very least, at thevery least, I like my music.

(45:36):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'mwith you, I'm with you.
I know artists who notlistening to the music I hear.
I know man.

Speaker 1 (45:44):
I started to not do this.
Yeah, no, it has been.
Men start to dislike the song.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
They dislike the song and that's because they did the
song just with the motivationand let me try and score.
So the song itself and thewriting.
If you wrote it writing, if youwrote it in the performing, you
had no personal connection withthe song, but for me that's so
important and, like I say, boy,I can't tell you how much of my

(46:11):
songs is not a hit.

Speaker 1 (46:12):
Yeah, yeah, yeah but do you like it?
But I like it.
Well, let me tell you something, one of the things I got going
through a phase somewhere closeto the middle of the year where
I have some people to come here.
I'll tell you some names, right?
Levi Myers, charlton Bailey,colonel Roberts.
The children are, some of themartists.
Because when you talk about 15years as legacy, I'll put it to
you like this Whenever youdecide to hang up your guns with

(46:35):
music, your children will bebig people and they will be
proud to come and sing yoursongs, to come and sing your
songs, whereas there are somepeople who turn and who's
watching.
I always remember Crazy Ayer,right?
Crazy Ayer turned Christianwhen he joined the church you
know what I mean.
And he said he's done withmusic and couldn't perform.
I mean, crazy Ayer is a legendto me.
Crazy Ayer had real songs, butI went and see him perform in
Central Bank and Crazy Ayer hadto sing too.

(46:58):
But when he looked back at alot of his songs, I'm glad now
we come to terms with it,because it's nice to not like
your music, but he reached apoint now where he performed in
all, because even in Soca, chris, he was always, even for his
time, like drive it andeverything, a little bit on the
edge in them times too.
No, a little bit Bad, bad songsyou mean a little bit, you know
what I mean.

(47:23):
That was his style.
But I'd ask you too, as youmentioned building the songs,
because one of the things for meI'm not comfortable on a stage
and in front of people.
I was telling you this theother day.
I have a good partner of mine,podcast listeners too he and his
wife now but they come to meand ask me I guess when you talk
, plenty of people feel you'rekind of hosting it's not true.
Right, it's very difficult,right, right, it's not true,
right?
Let me put that out there.
It's very difficult, right,right, and I want to talk to you

(47:43):
a little bit about that.
But I come and tell you I sayKiggs here, what's going on.
I want to pay to host this forme and I'll get them that as the
gift.
No-transcript, and I wasn'tright in the end, right, but

(48:12):
it's not something I don't thinkI will do it.
I wouldn't do it again.
I find it to be very difficultto do now weddings, especially,
at least for me.

Speaker 2 (48:23):
This is my opinion, right.
Other people might not agree orhave the insight that I would
share now, right, weddings forme, very different from other
events, right.

Speaker 1 (48:34):
So you host, you are a host.
Yeah, it's not a wedding host,right?

Speaker 2 (48:37):
So as I event host.
Over the years I have done,from company dinners, the after
work, limes, calypso,competitions, cookouts,
graduations, retirement, teambuilding, long service awards.

Speaker 1 (48:55):
Anything you can think of, they don't top the NGC
money and the Zumba money.

Speaker 2 (48:58):
I get it, we don't do that.
But when it comes to weddings,weddings are a very personal
type of event, very sentimental,right, and what I feel a lot of
hosts, a lot of personalitiesdon't realize is that these
people need more than apresenter.
You need more than somebody whocan just speak.

(49:19):
Well, of course, right.
So weddings for me, favorite,right, yeah, serious Favorite,
and for various reasons.
One is boy.
I just feel like I'm in lovewith my wife so much Because
every other weekend it's like,hey, boy.
Oh yeah, you get to revisit it,I love her again, man, I pull
out my phone and say hey, gail,I love you.

(49:40):
You know thing thing bam, butevery weekend it's our good
vibes.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
As much as life could be hard, I didn't even want to
come and do this wedding today.
I understand.

Speaker 2 (49:51):
Yeah, but them love boy, yeah them people are real
happy for them boy, and justthat sense of wow, look it's
vibes all around, just kind ofkeep me up.
The next thing is, too not alot of the time in this life you
get to see in real time,immediately how whatever work
you're doing inspires or affectsothers.
I thought you was going to sayimmediately if they're going to

(50:12):
make it or not?

Speaker 1 (50:13):
no, no, we don't go through that that's not my job
as the host.

Speaker 2 (50:16):
I was at the edge of my seat.
You know like, yeah, what's thething?
Suppose I analyze and I realizeI shouldn't get married.
What are you going to do?
Oh yeah, you have your work todo, I have money to make.
Yeah, what are you going to do?
Get married, boy?

Speaker 1 (50:29):
hey the president let me hope for the best here.
Let me hope for the best here.
You never know what's going tohappen.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
Yeah, but like, say, the podcast.
You don't get to see how a manreacts home watching it.
No, he might like, and he gotinference that a man enjoy it?
Of course no it's completelydisconnected, but you don't get
to see his reaction in real time.
No, I would too, but I on stagethere at a wedding I could see

(50:55):
a man come in here and helooking like boy.
I'm not sure I really wanted tobe here today.
I had so much things to do.
But I felt like it's taking uptime, right, and I could take
him from that place and twohours later, see that this man
looking forward to what's comingnext.
Wait, hey, you want His wholedemeanor changes.
Hey, yeah, now we're having funhere today.

(51:16):
Boy, there's good vibes.
Right A man come off and say,hey, boy, how long you know the
groom.
Hey, you see, you see whocousin thing, I don't know them.
But at the end of the day likethat, to see that in real time,
to see a bride not having a goodday because photos take too
long or something, I reach ontime and being able to say, hey,

(51:37):
you relax, you relax From yourelax, you relax From now this
year, reach back here for thereception From now till I leave,
you don't worry about nothing,have a good time.
And putting that on my back andseeing that transformation from
my frustration, from my fatigue, from just boy, this is my
wedding day too, this is mywedding day.

(51:58):
That that, for me, is a bigdeal, right?

Speaker 1 (52:02):
So weddings now, people just feel you come and
you just talk yeah, it's not tohost our wedding properly, you
had to meet people before yeah,so when you talk about some of
these questions people askingyou, they feel you know the
people long because your processstarts long before the wedding.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
Yeah, yeah, so I'm meeting with you and it's not
just a meeting to ask thequestions.
The information I get fromasking the questions is
important, but what I am leaningon the most in that meeting is
how you interact with me and howyou interact with each other.
Yeah, because when you see mehost a wedding for jim and

(52:41):
carrie last week, it can't bethe same wedding I hosted for
Tom and Wendy this weekend.
Next thing you know, theyinvite Jim and them?

Speaker 1 (52:48):
Oh, I didn't think of that.
You are no script.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
Even if they don't have the same people, remember
it's your wedding, Of course itshould be different.
Just by rights, of course.
Just by rights.
It should be different.
So I now have to understandwhat my delivery could be.
Jim and Carrie could beslackers.
I could say real shippiness onthat stage on them.
Hey, this man funny.
But yeah, when I come now byTom and Wendy, them want to know

(53:14):
.
But you're out of time and sowhat are you saying?
there and it's because so simplethings.
I ask people like what's yourfamily?
Like simple adjectives thereligious, the laid back, you're
no serious.
Or a lot of them in corporatelife entrepreneurs, yet let me
know just, and from that I willgauge what the guests that are
coming to should see from me.
Right like is I don't want tobe there, thinking well, yo,

(53:37):
everybody here is lively and ishere.
Them coming for a fit, and whenthem come, them still in
wedding ceremony mode, becausethe most important thing to them
is, you remember, is God blessthis thing and whatnot.
And I come out here like, hey,if only know how these two meet
there, them whining and a fit,and them just stop whining till
this day.

Speaker 1 (53:58):
Yeah, he lost them from the gate what yeah, he lost
them from the gates.
What is man doing?

Speaker 2 (54:05):
right, but it have some weddings where you could
start the expectation there.
Suppose you come there now andyou want to say well, folks,
today we gathered and you knowwe want to just be thankful that
god has blessed us it's our twopriests.
It's our two priests now.
So that's what I gauge, thepersonalities, and I try to
figure out what's the bestperformance for me to sit down

(54:25):
in this space, because cateringto the crowd, the audience, and
catering to the couple is notthe same thing and it takes a
lot of effort to marry it andbring it together right.
So you need that process, getthe information, find out about
them, and it takes by thesedifferent days I still don't
have nothing to do.
I pull out my notes and I go inthrough.

(54:46):
I go in trying to think aboutit.
It has some days I don't knowwhat I'm going to see.
I don't know what I'm going todo.
I have my little tidbits, right.
But during the wedding I host onthe him, I don't make up my

(55:08):
mind.
I say, no matter what this mansay, I'm so good, I have it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Wherever you say a bunks,enough, right.
Sometimes men leave me here,yeah, stranded in the desert,
I'm all come up and say, well, Idon't really have much to say.
I just want to saycongratulations to the bride and
groom.
They like I really tell myselfa bunks, enough for you, right,
but I tell myself a bunks off ofthese things To make it right.
But I have all my notes inplace and like I'm driving up
the road and something hit meand I realised Wait, no, no,

(55:31):
there's a better angle Right, soyou could even.
So, weeks I work Down the drainbut I still focus on what's the
best thing For the couple,what's the best thing For the
guest On the day.
Plenty times after weddingpeople come hey, it was real
good, you're really nice.
I don't know, I'm sad, I'm notfeeling good.
Yeah, because I remember fivethings.

Speaker 1 (55:51):
I could have said that everything I do there be
better thanks for saying that,because it's good every week now
every week now I study and myactual accent, mr, should I
actually talk to him?
But?
But how long your wedding so inparticular, how long.
You also not know about howlong but from 2009 also.
That was the first one gotcha,so, but you have a.
You know, if I come up thereand I say cheers, yeah, then I

(56:12):
go on and you have plans.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
But you have enough experience though, yeah so,
depending on how the crowd isright remember, I feel in all
the crowd from since thecocktail hour, right, so I could
kind of sense how loose we areRight, or still how, yeah, we
still a little, yeah, we stillcool, we are really warm up that
much.
But a man could come up thereand just hit it a short one,

(56:34):
yeah, and you had to go, yeah,and I could say we have somebody
in the crowd who knows he couldhave done better than that,
right, right.
We have somebody in the crowdwho knows he could have done
better than that, right, allright.
And everybody laugh and heshake his head.
Yeah, boy, for real, what theymake me.
Come up here and talk and it'slike, but stop out with him.
You cannot do that, of courseI'm an insulted people like, but
have somebody else you couldcome up there and properly roast

(56:56):
everybody you know cool, andthat's the best time of the life
and them telling you yeahyou're getting thumbs up.
You're getting thumbs up fromyour man yeah, boy, and you
could roast.
So different situations.
But, um, what you could do too,what I do a lot of is I am a
married man so I have differentthings to draw on.
So I might just use a personalexperience I gain.

(57:18):
I have so much information fromthese couples at any point in
time I could draw on that Right.
So a man might just saycongratulations thing, and I
just say, well, boy, we'resaying congratulations.
But this man said the hardestpart about me and my already
feel going on be to kick yourcup Right.
And it's just little funnymoments just based on
information I thought I alreadyhave.
But it's just knowing how to,when to, if to.

(57:40):
Most importantly, because itmight have some weddings where
you don't say nothing that mancome out, just sit here,
congratulations to the bride andgroom and you say short and
sweet, just like we like it.
Next up, we have and we go downthe road.

Speaker 1 (57:53):
You say like an MC yeah, we go down the road
because I am not a comedianRight, so I'm not a comedian
Right.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
So if you're looking for me to hit your joke every
minute, in your own place butwhat I've come to realize is
when you get people on your sideearly on you could do anything
after that.
There's no joke.
So during the cocktail hour Iam building relationships, even
if I'm not on the mic.
I hey, everything all right,right, I'm not on the mic.
I hey you, everything all right, right, you good, yeah, you all

(58:23):
good.
You enjoying the drinks, youtry this.
Yeah, this thing isn't realnice, you know.
And these people start to feellike we are friends Right by the
time the receptions start.
It's not strangers, I hear with, it's my buddies.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And that's a big part of justgaining the trust and the
attention of the audience.
So when I start off with a niceintro, I realize, yeah, and I

(58:47):
could see it on your face, likeI have you in my pocket.
All right, I have you in mypocket.

Speaker 1 (58:52):
You might just die.
Yeah, boy, wow, what is thatabout?
Try that out, yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:59):
That happens every now and again, yeah.
So when it is, I have thatconfidence.
Now just push this bugger back,right.
Yeah, even if somebody leave mein that space where I don't
really have much to bong so far,I tell myself I'll get them
next time, right, somebody elsecoming, I'll get them next time.
There you go, right.

Speaker 1 (59:26):
Do what you hope for the best now could probably get
two in a row, but if I got threein a row, the other one never
will.
You hear.
Well, you see, this is myproblem.
I end up with this damn weddinghost.
I start to see what horses gothrough and I mean I, everything
I do is a lot more scriptedthan people think.
Right, yeah, because I lecturefor a long time uh, you know,
talking on the podcast and but Iknow I come to say most times
I'm very nervous in front ofcrowds, so I cool with it.
You see that talking in a roomby yourself and then put it out

(59:46):
two weeks after, I feel that'smy sweet spot, talking live in
front of people.
I just feel like I don't wantto say this, I don't want to say
the wrong thing.
So I'm very will not feelscripted most of the time.
I've been doing it for a longtime, so, but I have, like you
say, I have a structure as towhere I feel it could go, and
it's the same thing coming hereDriving over the lady on

(01:00:09):
something.
This happened.
Every time I come to interviewsomebody I say, right, I have it
now, but that is here, right,in a wedding.
I forget.
You have to study whomother-in-law is, talk soft, who
don't like to talk into mic.
I have a woman.
When she came to talk right,this was the mother of the bride
of the group.
No, I talk in to her, I have todo things going good, right?

(01:00:30):
I say right, I'm just lookingat the end of this, I will get
through.
And she comes and starts totalk and no matter where you put
the mic, she moves away from it.
She wants to talk to themdirectly.
This is our big audience.
I struggle now because I'vecome on that thing, I say, nah,
boy, this thing will be good.
I fix the mic Because I wouldhave thought our people might

(01:00:53):
think that it's just about whocan talk, who's funny, who's
personable.

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
But what I underestimated is how much
things you're managing to makesure the people have a good day.
That's what it is like for youit is, and a lot of the time it
is exactly like that.
Yeah, you're managing a lotmore than we're keen to do.
Yeah, and it's never justtalking.
Even if it's just talking, it'sstill being able to talk and

(01:01:17):
deliver right.
But, um, a lot of people don'trealise how much Things could go
wrong In a wedding or how manythings Need to be Controlled.
Yeah, so I depend A lot On agood coordinator.
Right, the better yourcoordinator Is, the better I am
on the day.
Thank God I had that.
I was lucky to have that.

(01:01:37):
So if your coordinator Is great, you get Probably the best
Kicks you could get on the day,because all I had to focus on Is
what I do.
If your coordinator not goodProblems, you turn coordinator.
Everybody who have a problemComes to me.
Yeah, I guess it's the face,because I am the face, the same
and we don't have no cutlery Onthe table.

(01:01:59):
No problem, that's all I haveto fear.

Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
But now.

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
I have to go and tell my man yo, we don't have no
cutlery.
If that cutlery don't go there,they come back to me.
Hey, we still have to get thecutlery.
Hey, don't worry, I'll fix itfor you now.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, go back, letme get the cutlery.
Observing the crowd andrealizing what needs to be done

(01:02:22):
where, at what time?

Speaker 1 (01:02:23):
but, kiggs, you take that on yourself.
You take ownership of the again.

Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
I come back to service.
Right, I am deeply invested inyour wedding being the best
wedding it could be.
Now, yes, I'm not doing it forfree.
You had a payment to come here.
But when I come to a house I'mnot going to say, well, so I've
come to a wedding before whereeverything running late, chairs

(01:02:48):
had to pack up I hear I'm notgoing to sit down and wait.
And then when whoever comes topack the chairs now had to pack
the chairs and be delayingthings further, here you go,
help, but I'm not passing packout chairs for a whole wedding
already.
Then when they finally reachthe same night not supposed to
be here and we had to move it,but still we packed it out.

(01:03:09):
So really and truly, I am thereto make your day better.
If your coordinator is notdoing quarrel with the client
and say, hey, you had to do X, y, z and so on.
So you know, now is the timefor that.
Are you doing what I could tomake it better?
So if a man asks for extraglass, no problem.
Somebody threw down somethingwithin a new tablecloth, sure?

(01:03:30):
No problem.
You need somebody to handlethat Now.

Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
I'm not going to try to do it myself.

Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
Oh yeah, but it done Right Again.
Another person might say, well,that's not my work, but you
have to realize everything thatdisrupts the event makes your
job now harder.

Speaker 1 (01:03:51):
And I guess it could also make you look like not the
greatest host too, and you knowyour future would.

Speaker 2 (01:03:56):
People having a bad time.
It's people having a bad time.
You know, at the end of the day, when people remember they had
a bad time, you know, oh, it'syeah At the end of the day, when
people remember they had a badtime, yeah, they're going to
remember everything.

Speaker 1 (01:04:05):
Them had a bad time in their wedding.

Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
that's Keeg's host.
That's the headline Of course,of course.
That's the headline.
Keeg's host bad weddingreception that is the headline.
Your future will look bleak.
So it's.
At At times you are theprogrammer as the host and I'm
looking at well, time to cut thecake.
I should not have gone and rundown the newlyweds and say, well
, hey, time to go up on thestage as the coordinator job,

(01:04:28):
but people getting antsy on timegoing.
I can sit down and say, well,no, wait till the coordinator
handle that.
It's affecting your product.
Plenty of times twocoordinators will come and tell
me, hey, hey, time to cut cake.
And I'm watching them like,yeah, time to cut cake, right,
what are you using?
Yeah, so now we both arewatching each other, right, what
will go up?

(01:04:49):
Somebody had to get in theuniverse.
Yeah, them around the room.
Time to cut cake.
Yeah, I know, yeah, let's go.
Who do we understand now?
But I, but I did.
I eaten, I drinking, but I feellike my personality is so laid
back so helpful.

Speaker 1 (01:05:06):
Also very adjustable.

Speaker 2 (01:05:07):
Yeah, you know how to fit into wherever that audience
is or whoever the people are,and that's another thing about
me, and I mean not to pat myselfon the back, but still I know
some hosts who will not go bypeople's houses.
Yeah, house, community centreHired.

Speaker 1 (01:05:24):
Oh, you mean, if the wedding is by the house, they
wouldn't go?

Speaker 2 (01:05:26):
Yeah, so I am anywhere.

Speaker 1 (01:05:29):
You don't care where the venue is You're about the
bride and the groom.

Speaker 2 (01:05:32):
Right, you Could afford my course Right, and
sometimes you can't, but Iunderstand, right.
Right, you meet me Not halfway.
Halfway is not enough.
I'm saying that halfway is notenough.
You had a meet my about 80percent ways.
Let's fail, right.
But there are people who Icould earnestly see by.
There's all you could afford?

(01:05:53):
Yeah, and you can work withthem.
I come, and especially if it'sa good month, I don't have three
, four weddings, no problem howmuch I have, I come and down.
I buy a house.
Now, everybody's weddingdeserves some level of
sophistication and I bring inthat.
But some people are done thatson too.
You bring me down by your househere and I cage in your

(01:06:15):
audience and your crowd All thesophisticated kids.
You're responsible for the vibe.
He out of place here.

Speaker 1 (01:06:23):
I understand out of place here.
I understand what you mean.

Speaker 2 (01:06:24):
I understand what you mean.
He out of place here.
So, yes, speaking properly,speaking clearly, but I had to
meet people where they are, ofcourse.
Of course, right, it have awedding.
I went to already.
I come in soup creepy stingbomb.
When I see what going on, Itake off my jacket.

Speaker 1 (01:06:40):
That's what I was gonna ask you.
You, you tend to based on thewedding.
So, for instance, if you have aHindu wedding, or you adjust
what you look like andeverything to suit that exactly
because you don't necessarilywant to stand out.

Speaker 2 (01:06:55):
What we need to realize.
Whatever you might be in thewedding DJ decorator, you don't
want to stand out.
Everybody needs to complimenteach other.
This is not.
This is not the weddingdecorated by you.

Speaker 1 (01:07:11):
This is not the wedding hosted by kings.

Speaker 2 (01:07:13):
This is just this whoever wedding it is, this is
their wedding.
That is the spotlight.
Yes, I want to be a good host,but I don't ever want that after
somebody's wedding, they feellike it was Kiggs and Conceal
they use the most memorable.

Speaker 1 (01:07:30):
I was going to ask you that.
I know because if I had songs,kiggs, I'll tell you something
right now and you give me a micand a thing to promote.
I carry my bar, I carry it onthe radio station, I carry it
all about and people are blamingme.
I'm telling you what's going tohappen now.
Boy, listen, I hope they don'tpay me, I hope they get me
introducing Brighten Up Group.

Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
I can't bring myself to do that.

Speaker 1 (01:07:51):
I can't bring myself to do that.
People request it sometimes,I'm sure.
Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:07:54):
Like Christmas, yeah, people want to hear it, even
after Christmas weekend comingup.
Right, she is telling me, yeah,sing your songs.
And I'm telling her I'm notsinging Soka Parang.
Right, I'm not singing SokaParang until well, if I dare.
And I realize that the audiencesaying, hey, wait, not these
gigs, use your Soka Parang, letme hear some tunes that

(01:08:17):
different, that totallydifferent, of course, but I'm
not coming out on myself todisrupt the flow I have here.
And this is where it isimportant for me to understand
who I am in different scenarios.
When I'm performing soka parang, especially as Kiggs, I am not
host Kiggs.
When I'm hosting an event, I amnot soka parang Kiggs, right,

(01:08:42):
when I'm hosting an event, I amnot Soka Parang Kiggs.
Same way, if you're callingKiggs to host an event, you
can't pay him.
The same thing you want to paySoka Parang Kiggs.

Speaker 1 (01:08:49):
I would imagine.

Speaker 2 (01:08:51):
But Soka Parang Kiggs is going cheap, yeah, yeah yeah
, so the wedding, not twoweddings Soka Parang Kiggs.
When you call Soka Parang Kiggs, they rate something nice,
different price.
When you call kegs event, hostkegs, right the price, not all
that nice and you're not reallynegotiating right now so caparan
kegs might be on the phone awhile and well, all right, I

(01:09:12):
could do this for you and thingthing event host kegs, then you
know this is what it is.

Speaker 1 (01:09:16):
No thanks, okay.
So young couples here, what todo?
Right, when you're gettingmarried, book it on a friday
night.
It's like take one for the teamhere.
Just put your wedding on afriday night, call paris
okaparang keys, pay theokaparang price and hope for the
best.
You never know what will happen.

Speaker 2 (01:09:30):
Hope for the best that might be like bad advice
type bad advice.

Speaker 1 (01:09:36):
But you know you're saying that it's different
people showing up, but it'salmost like like one of the
things I talked to my fatherabout when we performing a lot
is we the playing and singing onstage.
I think I get over that alittle bit white oak and so on,
you know that'll bother me butyou know it's real.
Bother me talking in betweensongs, like introducing a song,
saying like how you say easilythough I go make a joke about

(01:09:56):
this say this woman, take thisman and I would, so you.

Speaker 2 (01:09:59):
It seemed like there's a marriage between the
two things so it helps at thatpoint in time, but it's still.
It's a slap.
It still has some gaps, right,because the host keegs might get
wrong.
Right, he might get wrong.
Yeah, yeah so kappa and keegsmight know better what to say
here at that point in timegotcha.

Speaker 1 (01:10:19):
So the mood mentally and everything.

Speaker 2 (01:10:21):
So you're really depending on the skill that host
keegs have got you, so it's themovement and everything I got
you.
So you're really depending onthe skill that host gigs have.
But you really had to be SokaParan Kiggs in that moment,
because host gigs is not noslacker really to say telling
you know.
But Soka.
Paran Kiggs might have to jumpout a little bit and realize
also, you know if it's the dead.
But they were that rah, rah,rah and nobody.

(01:10:42):
Quickness in the brain helpingthem, yeah, I suppose.

Speaker 1 (01:10:45):
So you're still drawing on these skills, but
it's still two differentpersonas I would imagine they
really need.

Speaker 2 (01:10:50):
I would imagine because, in terms of so event
hosting right, I use that skillright and the skill is what you
want, sonny Bling, to JW, giveme oh, you got you.
Right, I got you no, if you'reone sunny bling, you could get
it hundred.
No, you can't, yeah, better youcall sunny bling.

(01:11:12):
You were close to sunny bling,all right, it could go.
I could get close to sunnyright.
Right, you were jw.
I could probably get jw what Igain.
Don't look for exactly j JW,because you still had to get my
persona, my personality, right.
But that's my skill.
What are you looking for?

Speaker 1 (01:11:28):
but my question too was like, for instance, I was
who I had last.
Oh no, I had Ben Geyer hererecently.

Speaker 2 (01:11:34):
He said he done a lot of weddings and that kind of
thing.

Speaker 1 (01:11:37):
And one of the things that I realized in putting up
his episode is I'm thinking,okay, this man talking about
some of these things, and he'stalking real matter of fact.
He's talking real cool, he'shumble and I'm thinking if I
could have built anything he'stalking about, he'd be on top of
this table talking about it.
He's amazing.
But his work you're saying partof asking him and getting more

(01:11:57):
work his work is private, likeweddings.
It's like somebody privatingtheir pictures, pictures and
their videos.
So I wonder sometimes, when youhave to promote yourself next,
how do people get to know whokeegs is?

Speaker 2 (01:12:08):
so that no keegs can host my wedding right.
So that's, that's a bit of thedifficulty.
I do get a lot of footage thatI could use for myself, because
some couples are uncomfortablewith their weddings being out
there right, and then some islike, yeah, I not comfortable
putting your wedding out there,but I try to get little clips

(01:12:30):
here and there.
Sometimes I might do a reelright and I'll see some of them.
I try to escape the intimatemoment so I wouldn't put up.
You're cutting a cake, yourfirst dance this kind of thing
unless you're okay with it, okay, right, but I tend to focus
more on just generally theircore.
Like I eat something earlier,like I drink something now, the
mic on me here, I don't reallyhave the couple in the

(01:12:50):
background or anything like that.
So you don't go live inpeople's wedding.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no,that's what I would do.
Some people do, alright, somepeople do, I've seen it, but
that's, that's not my, that'sjust not my style, because it
come like.
It's very parallel to me andhow I feel like I'm serving you
on the day I get to make yourwedding better.

(01:13:11):
Also, I'm not trying to, afterthe fuck, upset you.
There was one time I'm did ourwedding.
Everything was good, right, andI did a tiktok, right, wasn't
the first time I've done itright.
So what happens sometimes is Ialways take a picture with the
couple.
Sometimes I am the one smilingand them looking serious, and it

(01:13:35):
could just be that that's justhow they take pictures.
Of course, yeah, no problem, no, nothing.
But it had a, a comedian reelthat was um, what's his name?
By dion dion, something cool,yeah.
So it was a joke where he wassaying some guys approach him to
take a picture when he take thepicture with them, he's smiling

(01:13:56):
and everybody else right.
So now it looked like I wantedto take a picture with all of
you.
So that's basically the audio Iused.
You all could have told me youweren't going to smile.
Now it looks like I wanted apicture with you all, so that's
not the first time I used it.
It was never a problem.
Put it up on TikTok, get amessage, take down that picture.

(01:14:18):
Think we don't really like it?
No problem, sorry about that.
Apologies, of course.
Right, that bothered me forweeks, I would imagine I would
imagine that bothered me forweeks, because that'll happen
with me, because at theforefront of me, approaching
weddings, is me trying to makesure that I'm not stepping on

(01:14:39):
any toes.
I don't want a bad memory foryour wedding to be associated
with me at all, of course, right.

Speaker 1 (01:14:47):
So after that experience especially, I yeah,
yeah, yeah, I would imagine, Iwould imagine I don't tell you,
kiggs, that's part of the reasonyou're here.
Because let me tell yousomething when I don't talk to
people here again, my goal,really my purpose, is to make
sure that the light shed onpeople who make impact you know
what I mean who make it, who aredoing positive things.
So I approach this thing very,very pure.

(01:15:09):
When I leave here and man say,well, you let this man say this,
and I can't sleep when thenight comes.
So I say everybody happybecause they see pan people
promoters.
Yeah, the matrix to see it roughI had to do pan promoter
artists, soca, parang andwedding going forward, because

(01:15:29):
this is a big gap.
I understand how you feelbecause I guess you're such a
part of the center of somebody'sspecial moment in their life.

Speaker 2 (01:15:36):
Yeah, to hear that somebody just unhappy or
disappointed in something oreven associating something
negative with the best day oftheir life, exactly right that.
That to me.

Speaker 1 (01:15:47):
I looking to not be the reason for that at all it's
something that I always watchyour social media and I'm
impressed with.
I see the care you treatcouples with and, um, not to
compare to any other weddinghost, I'll show everybody great.
But sometimes it seems asthough like for for my wedding,
for instance, I made the fatalmistake of like just now when he
was talking about singing SokaParang in a wedding.

(01:16:09):
I come from a Parang familyboth sides, so when I have a
Stacey uncle, when my fathergoing for a get and I going for
a quarter, acting way boxed,basically I leave that home.
I thought it was a wedding.
I was like, boy, go for it,what are you talking about?
I have nothing we do as afamily without that.
Yeah, so I was thinking itwould be ideal for you to come
and sing soca parang in ourwedding.
But then I was gonna say, well,we get married in, but I

(01:16:30):
couldn't remember the month so Idecided I would skip that
question.
You know, she kind of lookingfor them guy problem.
I turn out to be december anywaywhen I cycle through mine.
But when you, when you're thereand you bring that to the table
, it's like I I made the mistakeof not hiring a host or not
hiring a coordinator.
We got married during covid.
We had a limited number ofnumbers too, and I felt that

(01:16:51):
because my father could talk, soI say if you could host.
But I realized that that wasn'tthe best decision, because now
he's so focused on doing what hehad to do that his speech was,
or even things like you talkabout.
I did it in hilton, and whilemy father was giving his speech
that's what I'm looking forwardto for my whole life and while
he given his speech they broughtthe bill and thing for me to
sign.
So I try to sign and thatshould have been the coordinator

(01:17:14):
.
Well, here now me and uncle tellyou how bad it was when time to
stick the cake, because youknow we're a king Stacey drunk,
and I drunk like a fish by thetime we reached.
Yeah, now when we reach acrossthe thing I walk in on.
Stacey dressed Me, know whereshe took go when we reach, I say
well, how we sticking this cake.
I have no idea.
It's the photographer.
Salute to Mark Anthony.
He come and run.

(01:17:34):
He was like the quality.

Speaker 2 (01:17:35):
Mark.

Speaker 1 (01:17:35):
Anthony was my photographer as well, serious
he's a hell of a man.
He organize everything on theday, you know what I mean and he
come and bring the knife andwhatever the hell he's called
them thing and we end up havingsome.
All I study on the day is thecattle and them with them line
up to play with.
I have no concept of cakesticking and all these types of
things.

Speaker 2 (01:17:53):
Boy.
What is why?
Again, like I have a lot of ayoung host right who asks me for
advice and stuff and really andtruly my, my biggest piece of
advice is to is to care.
You have to care, like you see,when it's corporate charm them.

Speaker 1 (01:18:13):
So you do a lot of that too, right?
Corporate, corporate gigs andthat kind of thing, but charm
them.

Speaker 2 (01:18:17):
Corporate, have money , charm them and go down there.
And yes, I'm not saying go downthere and give them a half of
the work, but jam them and godown there and you do.
Corporate, too, will give you alot of information and script
exactly how they want things.

Speaker 1 (01:18:32):
Weddings not so much, yeah, so corporate is more like
an MC presenter.

Speaker 2 (01:18:35):
You go, you bring everyone up and you leave and
you could veer off and corporatevex with you very easily.

Speaker 1 (01:18:41):
They may be looking for too much of your personality
, necessarily depending on theevent.

Speaker 2 (01:18:45):
I see they want somebody who could speak well
and represent the brand andwhatnot.
Try and stay more within thelines, but weddings are the
colour.
Yeah, because you don't knowwhat the lines are.
I see that's the problem.
Yeah, learn this as you along.

(01:19:08):
So I was a lot of weddingswould be the first time people
ever in this situation.
They don't know exactly whatshould be out here.
So you have to care.
You have to care because youwill see things.
Look, I did a wedding lastweekend.
Came to the wedding, um, justme looking around making sure
everything in order.
Again, just based on myexperience.
There is no speaker box in thedining area.
There's a speaker for theceremony, a speaker for the
cocktail, so they have aseparate dining.
They have no speaker in thedining area, like you know.

(01:19:29):
Hey, on the boxing side there,boy, now the coordinator tell us
everything happening right here.
Right here Say nah, you go fullflat on the police.
That, no, but in the diningarea is where the entire
formality is happening as well.
Oh, I see all the intro thespeeches, sticking at the cake.
Yeah, somebody forgot to powerbox.
Or somebody forgot to letsomebody know how boxing to go

(01:19:50):
there, right, hey, we gottapower box now.
Everything happening here, Isaid yo listen, listen to me, we
have to power box in there.
Take my stupid advice we haveto put our box in there.
We have to put our box in thereright now, otherwise we're
going to start the reception andthen we're going to have to
stop the reception for you tocome and put our box in there
serious boy thing and we put ourbox and the days go on.

(01:20:12):
Nobody knows.
This is the first time anybodyhas heard that that happened.
I'm not going out to say, heylook, I'm going to make the man
put our box in there.
No, because I just I care, yeahme, you make the day a little
better.

Speaker 1 (01:20:25):
That's all it is I care.
Yeah, I see you live with theweddings.
I was gonna say live with thecouples, right, but he's a high
now.

Speaker 2 (01:20:32):
Yeah, see you live with the weddings for long after
the wedding done, and thatcaring shows like you carry them
with you a little bit after thething is done a lot of the time
too, and I could understand whypeople feel that connection and
it's almost like we are friends, Right, right, some of the
times we actually do becomefriends and it's not necessarily
I come in and check you on theweekend, friends, right, but

(01:20:54):
it's still a response to a story.
I see something.
I see everybody's anniversary.
I just gonna ask theanniversary and I sent a little
message hey, congrats, nice tosee you.
They're still together.
Right, some stories I see andthey're not together.

Speaker 1 (01:21:07):
Yeah, so now you have two when they're together
before.

Speaker 2 (01:21:11):
I don't know.
I don't know how nice it wouldhave been when two become four,
but you see that too.
Another recent experience whereand it all comes back to my my
um, life experience with griefand stuff, and like after my
father died, I feel like I kindof started to hold back on
building relationships withpeople, not really on purpose,

(01:21:34):
but as an aftermath of that,because I don't want to have to
lose people.
You understand, like I don'twant to go through that grief
again, so I don't really go outof my way to build relationships
right here.
So, the same way, I would haveknown you and yeah, I mean it
happened over time andorganically, I didn't really put
myself on, of course, right, um, uh, three weeks ago, one of

(01:21:59):
the couples that I hosted awedding for that would have been
in 2019, her husband, died.
Oh man, yeah, I suppose shit andagain.
So we didn't really get allthat close.
We didn't really get all thatclose, but we were still like,
yeah, seeing your stuff and I, Iseen what going on and whatnot,

(01:22:19):
so it still feels like a lossnow, right, of course.
And I, I seen what going on andwhatnot, so it still feels like
I lost.
Now, right, of course, and Imean Some people's Thought
process will be Well, you know,it's a benefit that you get to
know somebody Rather than youdidn't know them at all, but for
me it's a toss up, right, right, right.
It's a toss up Because To hearyou died Automatically the same

(01:22:40):
old memories On the day, yeah,of course.
Then the memories, everything Iseen happening and I seen you
and your family growing andprogressing over time and what
not, so is you invested in it.
And if I doing 20 plus weddings, oh, yeah, a year, yeah, you
living with a lot of stories,there's a lot of people, a lot
of stories.
I seen people you're going onvacation, everything nice.

(01:23:01):
You having your first child.
I living through miscarriages,I living stories.
I see in people you're going onvacation, everything nice you
have in your first child.
I live in true miscarriages.
I live in true children beingborn.
It's happy, it's sad.
I live in true illness.
I live in true debt.
I live in true grief.
Parents yeah of course, yeah,who was a big part of the
wedding day, and it's peoplethat I would have been there
with and experienced things with.
So what's your outlet?

Speaker 1 (01:23:22):
for daily.
There's a lot in O'Keegs.
What are you doing?
Drink rum?
Oh right, yeah.
And bus people are killingsomething.
That's what I said in Magda.
You know, no but the sweat.
But there are a few things Iwant to get to too, because you

(01:23:42):
say drink rum, and there's a man.
He enticed me immediately so.
I custom drinking with your limeand then we're playing football
, we meet playing football,right, and there's a man who
used to take a drink withdrinking wiver and then one day
he come and tell my boy, I'm adoctor and they tell my blood
sugar da, da, da, da, da and youchange completely.
It was done, annoying and sickand fast and had all the energy

(01:24:05):
to play it for the length oftime.
Anybody who ever sweated withme know I have a solid couple
moments from every sweat.
But that is it.
So when you had that, when youhad that change, I always
admired how quickly it seemed tobe fast to me, because one day
I see keegs and he was keegs andnext day keegs wore club soda
and perrier to chase with andthing.

Speaker 2 (01:24:23):
Yeah, how much of an adjustment was that for you when
you had to change your diet andeverything, boy, um, I don't
want to say it was easy, right,right, it wasn't easy, it wasn't
easy, but I feel like I had bigmotivation.
Again.
My dad was diabetic, I see.
So what I was able to be therefor was, I guess, the change in

(01:24:45):
how they approach diabetes.
Back in his time they kind ofjust defaulted to medication.
We had all these diet, softdrinks and all these things
across the period and we kind ofrealized later on that actually
not better.

Speaker 1 (01:25:01):
So all of these things across the period and we
kind of realized later on thatactually not better, not so good
for you, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:25:04):
So all of these little things.
So when I was at the doctor'sappointment and he was dealing
with the results and he forhimself was saying, well, you
know, it would be good if hecould reduce this.
So reduce eating white rice,reduce flour, reduce sugary
drinks, I asked him, well, whydon't you tell me to cut it out?

(01:25:26):
And he said, well, most peoplecan't just cut it out now.
I've never been big on sweets,but I'm drinking my juice and
things because I'm healthythat's what people do.

Speaker 1 (01:25:36):
That's right.
It's just cultural, it'sdrinking.

Speaker 2 (01:25:38):
you're chasing with ginger ale or what not, so
you're drinking.
Of course, right Rice is astaple Rice is rice.

Speaker 1 (01:25:45):
You're eating rice three more times.
Rice is sweet.

Speaker 2 (01:25:49):
Right, right and flour.
You're eating flour twice forthe day.
You're eating flour breakfastand dinner Right, more than
likely A sandwich.
Or if it's a bake or something,every Tuesday it's a roti.
My Like a sandwich.
Or if it's a bake or something,every Tuesday it's a roti.
In my list, everybody making aroti, no matter where you go To
get food, it's a roti.
So you're eating flour.
Right, and that's it.
He said, basically, a lot ofpeople Can't just cut out.

(01:26:11):
These things Right.
So, in all honesty, I couldn'tcut it out Completely either,
but that's what I aim to do, andI actually did cut it out
completely three months.
I didn't eat any flour, Ididn't eat any white rice, I
didn't drink any juice, any softdrink yeah right, I was

(01:26:32):
drinking water and green tea,which is still why the drink I
looking for a switch up greentea right from water, see is
there much of a switch up.
Green tea, green From water.
See, it's that much of a switch, right.
Coconut water in between, right, but for the flour, the rice, I
was eating more provision,green fig, a lot of meats, a lot

(01:26:53):
of vegetables, right, and Ilost 20 pounds.
Yeah, quick In that threemonths Almost.

Speaker 1 (01:27:00):
Between the two times I see it, I see one sweat, next
thing.
I get smaller and faster andlighter.

Speaker 2 (01:27:05):
It's the worst.
So like now, that's like threeyears now we talking about, so
now I'm not as strict with it,but I still.
I don't drink juice, I don'tdrink soft drink.
If I'm drinking rum and I'mchasing a silver club soda or
I'm drinking I'm light Listen,it's still a club soda, yeah,
still conscious of it.
Or drinking a light beer.
Surprisingly, light beer don'treally have no big sugar content
.
You could drink light beer.

(01:27:26):
I wake up the next day, test mysugar.
You're good, everything good.

Speaker 1 (01:27:29):
So you're still on top of it all the time.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:27:32):
I wouldn't check every day, but I'll check once
every week just to make sure.
Right?
I don't have any symptoms tosay give me any indication, I
need to check on anything, but Idon't want anything to get out
of hand.
Yeah, of course, of course.
Yeah, take it in front and theproblem is now weddings.

Speaker 1 (01:27:51):
Well, this is what I'm wondering.
I can't eat all them peoplecakes, so use me as a reminder.

Speaker 2 (01:27:53):
Every father week or every week, so this is going to
be the third week in a rowWedding.
It have rice.

Speaker 1 (01:28:04):
In wedding.
It have rice.
Right in the wedding it haverice for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:28:05):
You see how bad it is I study in cake because you're
right, you know what else ithave.
It have doubles, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:28:08):
It have doubles in all them wedding yeah, of course
so that you bust out a wholeset of mini roti you wasn't
eating that, so you avoid itcompletely, as much as you can
yeah right.
So, cakes, you're gonna bebusting achilles for a long time
.
This is, this is not.
It's this thing.
I know it's not.

Speaker 2 (01:28:23):
No end to this road I want us to take unequivocally
state that I did not haveanything to do with this man
erupt chain as achilles tinnon.
Because I know how we likeheadlines in this country.

Speaker 1 (01:28:36):
I mean, that cannot be the headline well, the nice
thing about editing clips is Icould edit this so soon I go and
put a picture of all thesurgery I went through.
I think this is going to bepart of the clips, geeks.
That's why we're here.
I've been waiting for this fora long time.

Speaker 2 (01:28:47):
The Bunking Quarry Shepherd, I will start that
podcast.
Every time you release anepisode, I have one coming right
up the Bunking Quarry.

Speaker 1 (01:28:54):
Shepherd, but listen two more things before we go in.
Quarry shepherd, I did see youat one point in time and I was
inspiring for me doing a podcast.
Well, I don't know if it was apodcast, it was a news type of
show which I find was realentertaining, something that you
will continue to do, or you'reconsidering.

Speaker 2 (01:29:08):
That is, that was the weekend review.
I started by myself to draincovid times oh, it's covid, okay
, right.
And then, um, I reintroduced itas part of the ttnl show on our
Radio.
Dot FM Right to Our Radio, toOur Radio, yeah, if you haven't
checked it out yet, online radiostation, get that promoting
strictly local Writers,producers, right, poets, just

(01:29:31):
local artists, right, yeah, andif it's doing great, well, it's
doing great with them.
So we're supposed to start backin May, right, so that will be
coming back.
Beautiful, so that will becoming back.
So we could look forward tothat.
But my gain is just to get thework and do the work, because,
remember, keegs, have a day job.

Speaker 1 (01:29:46):
Yeah, keegs is still Keegs event host.

Speaker 2 (01:29:49):
Keegs is event host.
Keegs trying to get music donefor Christmas.
Yeah, of course, trying to getinto the soccer space still
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:29:57):
Yeah, that's something I want to continue to
pursue, because I mean Mevon andthem no.

Speaker 2 (01:30:01):
No, I can't go by Mevon.
You can't go by Mevon.
I can't go by Mevon.
And that's not me saying it asa lament.
I don't know what you mean.
Mevon, I can't go by Mevon, soit's the same thing.
Mevon as a Soka Parang, andthen let me phone, bring it in

(01:30:23):
and say this could be a socaserious but let me do that nah,
but no, but I respect that.
Yeah, of course you know, and II fully support.
I'm very proud.
I celebrate mevon every time Isee mevon making strides.

Speaker 1 (01:30:37):
he continues to do great.
So I call on my mother, butthere's something you will
continue to pursue.

Speaker 2 (01:30:41):
So yeah, so I do my thing.
I don't.
I'm not sure that I like it,but I feel like I have something
to offer.
Right, I'm not sure theaudience want it.

Speaker 1 (01:30:50):
No, but I like how you you, starting with the, as
Zan had come here and say sayingyeah.

Speaker 2 (01:31:03):
So, like I said, I'm not sure the audience want it,
but once I like my song it hadreal hits for this year for
canny ball and I build myplaylist and I put mine inside
it of course, so mine was when Ihear mine inside I say hey boy,
this too nice kicks you abetter man than?
Me, you wasn't really okayweddings.

Speaker 1 (01:31:16):
I don't make every event about me.
That way I would have no morework.

Speaker 2 (01:31:19):
That way I only use one wedding ever now that that
way said there is poor from amarketing perspective.
Yeah, but I see I really careabout no, yeah, that comes true,
more than me yeah, I reallycare about people's experience
more than me.
Yes, I could go there, but I'vebeen in places where I've felt
like yo, what you're doing right, of course, of course I ain't

(01:31:40):
coming for that.
I could see people that comehere for that, but I'm not
promoting anything on here, yeahpeople.

Speaker 1 (01:31:45):
Some people don't care, some people don't care.
Somebody I had talked to andthey were saying the same thing.
They say but if I had to dothis again, when I go on the
radio, I play my tune.
How you're sleeping In thenight matters, yeah, and I think
it's One of my biggesttakeaways From talking to you.

Speaker 2 (01:32:01):
But um Soca, yeah, I feel like I have Something to
offer Right, and Again I ratherhave, like I look into, do a
power soca Right.
And producer, don't tell me.
Well boy, people already listenTo power soca.

Speaker 1 (01:32:13):
So, unless it's A bungee or a martial art.

Speaker 2 (01:32:16):
Nothing.
I feel like.
I like music Power, soca, Ilike that, I like that as if you
like this song.
I like it as much as we haveOur kind of seasonal nature and
if it don't pop this season, itgone.
I got a power soca, yeah, yeah,yeah, and I do a power soca
Years from now.
You know, I do a power soca.

Speaker 1 (01:32:34):
I just tune up, I say that tune really bad boy.

Speaker 2 (01:32:37):
That's all I'm looking for.
I would say, somebody elseappreciate my art, right?
And yes, music is business andI understand people making the
livelihood from the business,but music is expression and
music is art and anytime we haveabandoned the fact that we have
people who willing to justexpress the self and create,
right, we lose the art formitself.

(01:32:59):
Yeah, of course, of course,everybody looking to forward.
So it had to have some peoplewho willing to create and yo,
you have your art it once.
You have it it there yeah, itcan't spoil.

Speaker 1 (01:33:11):
It's not no expiry date, or not it there?
Yeah, I remember telling youafter sweat is a good place for
you to wrap up, because aftersweater they are telling us the
gigs.
You had to keep doing whatyou're doing, whether it's
forwarding it, hitting, hittingor whatever, because my
prediction is this, and I'vesaid it many times I think you
will land in the same place asAhsoka Parangreat.
That sacrifice you're making,because I understand that's a
sacrifice too, because the moreI drink, the more I want to

(01:33:34):
follow certain songs.
I promise, before we come here,I will talk to people about
their own music and not talk tonobody else, right?
But some of those songs that Iwrite, let me go back to my
partner who sang Cat in Bag.
You can't do that because youare a writer.
If you're still young you coulddo that.
So I always admire writers whoand I find it with writers more
than anybody else A man who's bysong tends to want to, and I

(01:33:54):
hope to have impulse here oneday who's one of the greatest at
ever doing that ever, right?
But um, you, you take thatconscious decision to keep your
music in a certain direction.
Yeah, and I hear you know I arenot around as much events as
you, but where I am, a lot is bypeople, house at house, parang,
and I talk about simple people.
You go up camera and they go upparam and you go up they go up

(01:34:16):
anywhere, say simple people.
All they want is a little musicand year by year, the first time
I meet you, I see these gigsbecause I hear people playing a
little song over the years andme don't know who is this, with
sweet voice and all them kind ofthing.
You know long me hear sweetvoice and music in this country
sometimes and I've seen over theyears where your music starting
to get you know you're watchingpeople, right.

(01:34:37):
I always hear people talk aboutthis in studios, where you
bring people in the studio andyou just throw on a song, nobody
know, and you watch how peoplepop it, and I've seen that
happening with your music.
More so, all of a sudden Istart to see a year where
because when, when baron saycome go, man, drunk, man thing,
but you go here, will you comego?
And if I play that, people willrespond.
You know, I see over the yearson people house, people start to

(01:34:59):
say pay me, pay me, and youmust be seeing it too.
All of a sudden random peoplesay boy, this gig's easy.
You know, I think it, I thinkit will land very well.
So I hope it's something thatyou're gonna continue to do.

Speaker 2 (01:35:10):
Yeah, for sure.
But even with like, pay me, itwas a struggle for me to do all
that repetition.
Yeah, but I had to meet theaudience halfway, of course, so
I had to let go the fact that Ifeel like some kind of purist
and I want to write my song.
But no, the song is not justfor me, no.
So if I had to say, pay me 26times, you're doing it From a
man to a bobby head and get himto pay me that Boy listen, keep

(01:35:32):
doing it, keep doing it, You'regoing to land in the right place
.
Christmas with Keegs oh yes,please.
Thanks for bringing that up.
So what I aim to do WithChristmas with Keegs Again Is
give people Christmas.
When you come for Christmaswith Keegs, it's not Soca and
chutney and dancehall.
If you don't like Christmas,don't come on, yeah, yeah, yeah,
I don't like it Because it is Anight Of Christmas Now we in

(01:35:58):
Trin o'clock in the morning wecould get something else to
close off, but you reach by mefor 7 o'clock till 12 it's
Parang it's traditionalChristmas, it's the Christmas on
the hill and it's the ribbonsand all of these songs that is
nostalgic and you bring a lot ofother artists.

Speaker 1 (01:36:14):
You give them the space too.

Speaker 2 (01:36:15):
Yeah, so Parang bands that's on the circuit, circuit
um I had yonkey manny, nice,nice um she's about seven or
eight by now beautiful.
Um, my fish are brown.
Yeah, um artists that youprobably don't really know of
necessarily right, but in thisspace will key is one who has
been alongside me throughout thedaily space, right?

(01:36:37):
So I try to give people anevent that is just authentically
Christmas.
It don't have to be a greatlong day.
Oh God, oh God, becoming isChristmas.

Speaker 1 (01:36:48):
Well, you're creating the space that you want.
Well, congratulations on that.
I'm glad that you're doing it.
I hope you continue to do itand continue to make your music
and do your thing, and I forgiveyou for busting my Achilles.
I just want to end on that note.
Since you talked, you know youtouched my lot in this.
You know I was very touchedwith your words in this episode.
Yeah, see.

Speaker 2 (01:37:02):
I'm glad I didn't touch it.
I don't want to forgive you.
I'm glad I didn't touch it, man, you didn't touch my talk,
though I'm glad I didn't touchit.

Speaker 1 (01:37:09):
I thought this man kicked away the back of my foot.

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