Episode 230 | Yellow Decode

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We finally get a chance to catch up and talk about the election results and some other matters at hand.

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Speaker 2 (00:27):
If you thought I wasn't coming back with a yellow
background and you thoughtyellow wasn't the code.

Speaker 3 (00:45):
In short, this is what I have to say Let us forget
spites and grudges andconcentrate.
Come, let us sit and try torelate, because now more than
ever, we must show discipline,tolerance and production.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
Listen me, no DJ, you know.
Good night, good morning, goodevening, welcome back.
You know, I mean this episode200 and something of the Corey
Shepard Podcast Because, to behonest, I'm recording this and
I'm not sure when we're going toput it out.
But I know no DJ to wheel nosong and thing right.
But I want you to know thatMerchant write this song.
This song could be 50 years old.
The historians go check me onthat right.
And the last president we hadwho's on it?

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Salute to the HonorableChristine Kangaloo used this
song in her inauguration.
I mean, we call it inaugurationhere too, but I just trumpeted
it.
And the lyrics in this song,this song I want you to.
Whether red is the code, yellowis the code, whether you still
have a party or you resign yourparty and that party absorb your
party, or whether you're donewith party and you stay home and
see about your wife, this is animportant song for everybody to

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listen.
To listen, not just listen themelody become.
Merchant is a melodial genius.
Melodial is a word is a word.
He's a genius when it comes tomelodies and putting songs
together.
But listen to the lyrics inthis and tell me how to write a
song that could be applicableand relevant 50 years down the
road.

Speaker 3 (02:38):
Now the election back and I'll die away.
In short, this is what I haveto say.
Let us forget Spites andgrudges and concentrate.
Come, let us sit and try torelate, because now More than

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ever, we must show Discipline,tolerance and production To
build.
We must show, basically,tolerance and production to
build a strong and better nation.
I say that is the mainfoundation.
So come, let us walk hand inhand, because this is our land.

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Come, my brother, come mysister, and let us build a
nation together.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
Voletano more brother , no, it's only sister and
sister.
Oh yeah, yeah, oh, oh, oh, oh,yeah, yeah, yeah.
If you're on the winning side,listen to the lyrics, right, if

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you win.

Speaker 3 (03:58):
Remember, the key to success is working hard For our
country.
We must have regard.
Forget all your differences.
Let me start to build, and onwhat to progress?
We surely will, because nowmore than ever, we must show

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discipline, tolerance andproduction To build a strong and
better nation.
I say that is the mainfoundation.
So come, let us put hand inhand, because this is our land.

(04:42):
Come my brother, come my sister, and let us build a nation
together, because this is ourland.
Come my brother, come my sister.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
And let us build a nation together.
Reaching out to the PDP.
The key words is let us build anation together.
Oh, oh, oh, oh, hey, hey, hey,hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.
Lyrics to make a politiciancringe.

Speaker 3 (05:16):
So much of things that we need to see about.
Surely I do have to spell themout, because you know as well as
I do.
The only way Is putting moreeffort and less play, because
now more than ever, we must showDiscipline, tolerance and

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production To build a strong andbetter nation.
I say that is the mainfoundation.
So come, let us put hand inhand, because this is our land.
Come my sister, come my sister.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
Come my sister, come my sister, come my sister, come
my sister.
This should be about episode230 or thereabouts of the Corey
Shepard Podcast.
Welcome back to everybody who'sbeen listening.
Welcome to all you newlisteners.
Plenty new listeners on boardand plenty things to talk about
today.
Right, let me tell yousomething For all my day ones.
Right, let me start with dayones Before we get into the
election kutru, bacchanal,kankalan, confusion, mayhem and

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commerce.
Right, it's all my day ones.
And people who saying, boy, youthink admin election come, you
ain't saying nothing about theelection.
People tell me, um, influencersget 40 000 allegedly to to
promote different thing, andthey say, like I can have 40 000
to keep quiet.
All of a sudden I nothing tosay about election.
All of a sudden.
I used to record homebackground, this place blurry.

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Now the background is nice andyellow, thanks to the people who
said affordable imports this.
There's predictive analyticsgoing on in affordable imports.
You know they yellow me outlong before.
Yellow was the code.
So I'm comfortable, I'm safewhere I am and I expect calls
for senatorial positions andchairmen of boards and so on.
I'm looking forward to thosephone calls.
You know what I mean.
Who listening, all you hear ushere, eh, but it is difficult.

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Now again, a different journeyand a different pivot something
I always said I would have beenable to talk to people and some,
some important people in thesespaces.
So that is uh, that isconsuming, it is tiring, it is
exhausting.
It takes a lot to sit down andresearch on some of the people
who have coming through.
It takes a lot of work to getthat.
It takes a lot in terms ofscheduling just to get people

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here and then, of course, toedit and put clips out for the
episode, something I've neverbeen good at doing and I'm still
not good at doing that.
When you see, I sit down hereand talk by myself.
I don't really like putting outclips of what I see, and this
election is a good example ofwhy.
Because when you're talkingabout sensitive issues like
politics and them kind of thingwhere I might talk about

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politics, religion, all thethings that people are
uncomfortable to talk about Idon't like to talk about, and
things here too, too much, noneof them like to talk about it, I
should say.
But I can't talk about thatwith a guest when I, when I,
when I hear is about the guests,right, but when I talk about it
by myself, I do like cuttinglittle one minute clips of it,
because how you go explainmacroeconomic policy to address
the unemployment, you cannotaddress that in a minute.

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And if I cut that down to aminute it will be misconstrued.
It will sound like if I'msaying one bad thing about the
other and a good thing about thenext, and I'm not.
I'm one of those people.
Everybody.
They say they're impartial andthey don't like neither party.
So I joined in that same list.
I really am a bit uh,disenchanted with the political
situation.
So, uh, I don't see myself aseither side or belonging to any

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party.
I've, I've, I don't hold aparty card.
I've never held a party cardand I don't like the word never.
But I don't have any intentionto join any party.
I I just don't like it to behonest, I don't like it.
Somebody, somebody thinks we seegoing around with man cussing
man, black is white, and nowboth of them shaking hand.
I don't like it.
To be honest, I don't like it.
Some of the things we see goingaround with man cussing man,
black is white, and now both ofthem shaking hands, I don't know
that I could do it.
It's not so much that I don'twant to be in the politics or I

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don't want to serve the country,and I respect all the people
who put themselves up to servethe country and so on and put
their nice little private lifeinto public scrutiny.
I respect them for doing that,but I don't know that I abled it
.
I can't do some of the thingsthey do and laugh and smile at
people and then if I vex, I vexin real life.
So maybe I'm not cut out for it.
I'm not good enough.

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I always say the best andbrightest put themselves there
and I'm not on that list.
So who can't do this teacher?
I come to do, I really just cometo talk and I haven't been
getting the opportunity, becauseof all these things, to come
and sit down and talk to Oli bymyself.
So I'm glad to have Oli back.
Let me play this applause again.
I ain't like that enough.

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I find that applause making itsound like if my audience
thinning out and the audience isgrinning.
So I appreciate that.
So I'm glad for the opportunityto come and I'll tell you let
me be honest with you.
Right, you could expectepisodes by myself most times.
When guests cancel.
That is when I have the timebooked and somebody say they

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can't come or something happens,which happens.
I mean the people who areasking to come on.
I'm very, very grateful for theopportunity to sit with them
and the time that they afford meand so on.
So I accept it.
And if they can't come, I'm sohappy that I've built the muscle
to sit down here and talk on onissues myself.
So where we starting?
We starting with that.
I remember a long time I usedto start with telling only what

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I do and what, what's been goingon in my life and so on.
Let me get a little capsuleinto my life now, before we
start to talk about the electionI most recently and again it
takes a lot of research to sitwith people.
So and I promised everybodyhere that I talk about the
culture so much I wanted to geta little more involved in the
cultural issues and so on.
So we can go on there.

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I went and take, you know, ashow by freetown collective
called tight spaces.
I want to talk about that for alittle while.
Right, Freetown Collective issomething special and we must
recognize them for that.
In other words, if I could playa guitar like Lou.
I don't know that I had no sortof higher meaning.

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I'm just looking for thehighest bidder who paid me the
most and I paid any band thatcalled me.
I have a little bit of skill ina few areas.
I tell all these guys tolecture.
When time to lecture, lecture,the answer is yes.
No.
If they call me and they saycory, we have our e-commerce,
I'm like yes, I'm availableevery saturday for the next.
I looking for it, I looking forthe bag.
So I respect the fact thatthese folks have the level of

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talent that they have, uh, interms of muhammad and singing
the trinity and these girlsharmonizing and things on the
next level, the whole bandrockers playing bass.
If I could play bass likerockers, you can't catch me in
no band trying to ascribe to nohigher ideals and all these
things.
I'm looking for it.
Yes, you know what I mean.
All inclusive results are notcheap.
Let me put it like that Allinclusive results a little
expensive.
You know what I mean and I wantout the deal, but I think, um,

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I'll stop by saying freetowncollective is something special
and we should all observe it.
People who love the culture andthink you should.
You should take them in.
But they had a show in cafe noirin senaga, senaga chance to go
in and I didn't realize.
When they said tight spaces, Iwas imagining people squeezing
up, right, I say, well, I coulddisappear in the crowd.
I'm not very good at goingplaces where I had a standout
for any reason, you know, butwhen I went, there is like 20,

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25 people.
They bring together people sitdown on the ground, real
bohemian style and I ain'tlooking the part, I looking
completely out of place withthis thing.
Of course, the thing sayingeight and one of the things you
might know.
Right, I'm very talkative, butwhen I do a podcast, I really
thinking out loud for hour and ahalf, two hours.
You know, it's not that I wantto talk to people.
So the people inside of thisthing where I go and interact

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with people is always a littleawkward for me.
But I saw, if a thing starts at8 o'clock, I just reach the half
past 7 months sitting in my caruntil 7.59.
Well, who told me to do thatwith free time?
Because when I walk in thetight space I was in front of
the crowd right next to Muhammad.
Now it's like, oh God, the onlyseat in the place now is right
in front of, with Rokas and themplaying.
Now I'm looking like a part ofthe.

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I feel like I should havewalked out of Marrakech and had
a shake or something.
I was so close to the crowd atthat point in time.
Pause on that.
Marrakech and action.
Maybe I'll start to reachearlier and pick my spot in the
back so I could fade to blackeasily in these events.
But they put on a show, acousticevent and really, really a
special event.

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So I get a chance to take thatin.
And I wonder sometimes if, um,I always remember a man named
Robert Spector, right, but myfather and I were in the early
days of the company.
My father put on a seminar forpeople to um, for executives, to
learn from nordstrom, disneyand ritz carlton.

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He brought a speaker from eachone of those companies to do a
keynote speech on what makesthem special where customer
experience is concerned.
Right, and I always remembersaying now I'm talking to robert
specter he had written a bookon the nordstrom way and, uh,
really just documenting how goodnordstrom is at customer
service and building theircustomer experiences.
And he was talking about he'sfrom seattle, seattle, the one

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on the west coast, rightnorthwest coast in the states,
that's seattle.
And he was talking about goingand, uh, taking in a show where
he was able to see bob marleyand the whalers up close and
personal because there wasopening for one of his favorite
rock acts, you know, soft rockor whatever it was and you know,
you're in a little cafe andyou're taking in Bob Marley and
the Wailers performing.
You know, and he's talkingabout Peter Tosh, bob Marley,

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bunny Wailer, so that's thespecial days of the Wailers.
At that point in time, or thatmight be the only time you could
see three of them together.
And sometimes, when I'm watchingFreetown Collective, either up
close in places like tightspaces or on TV or on social
media, sometimes I wonder ifthat is what we're looking at,
if you're looking at the earlydays of a young Bob, or when I

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look at Chronix, his early days,where you could get to see him
up close and personal, and maybewe might reach a point where
you might never get to see aband like Freetown Collective up
close and personal again.
But I don't want to put anypressure on men, right?
I just want to say that thatwas a great show.
It's a part of a series that is, I think, tight spaces.
They said it's four events.
They have a yoga studiosomewhere in Tonga that they're

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doing the next one, I believe onthe 22nd people.
I was trying to count thesefellas' pockets too.
I said let me check how muchmoney these men and them are
really making.
I said, all right, if it's 200,I'll take it to 25 people.
I was trying to do a littlequick maths in my mind, but
check it out if you get a chanceto check it out.
Other than that, over the pastfew weeks I've been extremely

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swamped Beyond finding the timeto record between recording with
guests.
It's just been really, reallydifficult.
We're going through sometransitions in work.
It's some of the hardest timesI ever go through in my career.
I have courses going on onweekends, so mostly I'm just
real tired in between and I justneed to rest.
So I'm glad for thisopportunity to do this today and
to talk to you.
I've not abandoned the formatwhere I talk by myself and talk

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on some of the issues, but theseare some of the things that
have me there.
I was saying on Facebook lastweek that I feel like I am the
only man who still has red.
I'm trying to get rid ofeverything I have red right now.
Right, are you looking foralignment?
You know what I mean.
Are you looking for alignment?
Only youarelli and stuart,young male, but I went and vote.
I went and vote so many times.

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Only if you've been listening tothis for a long time only know
sometime you come here afterelection, I'm a finger you read
at all and sometimes it might beread I, I, I, I will defend
people rights not to vote.
You see this idea that votingwas fought for and I think
that's important.
But I think it's also importantfor people to appreciate the
fact that this, this idea thatvoting is an obligation and if

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you don't vote, I just wonder ifI I will.
I will go along with that ifpeople allow me not to pay tax
when I don't vote.
You see this idea that youdon't vote, you don't have a say
.
And what, my friend?
Yeah, if I pay in tax, I have asay on anything that happened
in this country or any decisionthat anybody makes.
So for the 50 people who didn'tvote, which it seemed to be the

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case in this election, thatquite a people, quite a few
people, didn't vote, you know.
Usually, uh, low voter turnouttends to signal that people are
okay with the incumbent.
Obviously not the case thistime.
Right, it looked like the redarmy is the one that stay home,
you know.
So I would say to people whodidn't participate in the

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process at all do what it takesto hold the government
accountable, whether your partywin or lose, your party in power
or not.
Let us not go down this roadwhere we still maybe I could
understand it a little bit whenthe election going on and we
campaign, where everything yourparty say is right and
everything the other party sayis wrong.

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But, in the spirit of whatMerchant was singing about, we
have to build a nation together.
If UNC wins, everybody wins.
There's no time that that hasbeen more important than now.
If the people in power you can'tcontinue to hold on to your
election type Me, I'm sayingabandon your party.

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If you're NT, you're NT, well,still have NT.
Matter is that If you're PDP,pdp and them.
If you have a PEP, maybe it'sstill a two-party system, maybe,
maybe two and a half.
But if your party lost it,don't mean that now you have to

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go on Facebook every day andcherry-pick at everything the
boss and them do.
They're the boss.
They're the boss for at leastthe next five years, and my
theory is that the UNC, thiscurrent UNC, this current party
in power, this currentgovernment, have an opportunity
to sideline the PNM for a longtime.
They have that opportunity.
What they do with theopportunity, we go observe.

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Right, because that's whatwe're watching now.
They're in power and one of thethings I never liked in 2011,
not 2011,.
More so 2015, not 2011, more so2015 you see the idea of you
win and you're still just.
Everything is about the partywasn't poor before I.
I.
That makes me veryuncomfortable and I'm starting
to see a little bit of signsthat that is where we headed,

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because the last headline I readbefore I started recording I
say brace yourself for bad newsas we find out what is the state
of the government.
I.
I wonder if there's a betterway.
I have a few suggestions interms of bettering the way this
election process works and, andpossibly even better, in the way
the governance structure is inthe country.
Right, because if politicalparties have to do a manifesto

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where they promise differentthings, I think it's unfair to
ask the parties to do thatmanifesto in in the in the dark,
in isolation.
It's like they don't haveaccess to all the figures.
They don't have access toexactly the way the how much
money in the treasury, forinstance, or how much?
And again, I talking completelyutopian, right, because I would
assume that if I was party inpower, I would not share

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information with my biggestrival.
But maybe we should, becausethem, being in opposition for so
long, could go and basicallyrequest any information they
want through the parliamentaryprocess, right?
So if that is the case, shareinformation with them that
allows them to write a manifesto.
That's realistic.
I'm not saying the currentmanifesto is not realistic, but

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it must be that you, you cannot,we can't continue to live in
our country I'm talking aboutthe electorate now, where we
vote based on promises from ourparty that they could just write
wherever they want in themanifesto.
And then, is is a good enoughexcuse or reason, or reason or
rationale when they come in tosay, hey, we was getting all
this, but they'd be paying themand them around the country into

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the ground.
That is not good enough, thatis not acceptable.
You were in parliament for the10 years you were in power the
five years before that.
You know what does it say tothe treasury when all they want
to lick imbert or want to lickforest, I will learn to lick all
.
It has come very comfortablywith mark, you know, remember
him.
He come there, he come in andask for this document.

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From this day on, if you don'tgive him the figures, they're
drilling him.
So Oli was part of governmenttoo.
You cannot come in, especiallybecause it's clear that outside
of the PDP salute to the PDPoutside of the PDP, there's no
third force of anything in thiscountry.
It is PNM and UNC, as PhilipAlexander is teaching us live
and direct right now.
Right, they're going to getabsorbed into the?
U.
I've never seen anything likethat yet.

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But when they say government,the government is made up of the
opposition and the party inpower.
So you can't just sit back andsay, well, the government do
this, the government do that, asif you wasn't part of the
process.
You was part of the process.
Granted, part of the processmeans voting against everything.
But it's not things you votefor, it's not things you abstain
from and so on.

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But we had to get a littlewiser as a electorate to be able
to see.
Okay, if you're promising allthese things, when you come to
your street corner thing or yourdoubles and coffee or whatever
forums you have unc monday nightforum or your re-ends or
wherever there's going aroundwest plaza or re-enzy or
wherever there's go to do therally it can't just be that you
give me the promises we we aregate for how much years now and

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we had dollar for dollar beforethat?
The society we're dealing withis a more informed and more
educated society.
You will even reach listeningand reading, listening to
podcasts and reading morearticles and getting more
involved.
And even tiktok is soencouraging to see so many young
people whether it's a yellowdecoder and it's a paid thing or
not so many young peopleinvolved in the political

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process.
I feel so encouraged to watchkg um talks with kg and daniel
loveless.
I feel so encouraged to seeyounger people like them who in
touch and you know, on theground and in touch with you.
I feel so encouraged to seethem bring politicians on the
platforms and talk to them.
Fellas didn't bound to do that,but the part of why they're
doing it is because they'reinterested in the process.

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The younger, the people we havein this country who interested
in the process, whether theyvote or not.
Once they're more interested inthe process, we lead in for a
state where the government ismore accountable to the people.
I always say this these youngpeople now them are answers.
They're plenty brighter than weever was Let me talk for myself
plenty brighter than I ever was.
So I respect the fact thatthey're involved and they're

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looking at it, but we must thoseyoung people, including all of
us, must take a step further tohold them to account by asking
them how, what's your plan?
So the rumor is that they willgo to the imf.
The rumor is that they willfloat the dollar, force these
politicians to discuss thesethings when they're on the

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platforms.
We need to get away from thisrara politics where everybody
say I said yeah, I alwaysremember one time and salute to
chamfer.
Chamfer lost like hell too, butsalute to you.
You know, I mean I alwaysremember seeing her campaigning
as part of the.
You know I was so encouraged bythe when the pnm had turned
that corner and you see plentyyoung people as part of a rowley

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would be cabinet when he wasrunning in 2015-14, whatever
time.
That was right and chamfer wasone of the people.
You know.
You feel encouraged when yousee young people are wrongly
seen, you know, and it's she.
She was like she used a littlespoken word.
You know they feel encouragedwhen they see young people
around the scene.
You know, and she was like sheused to do a little spoken word.
You know what I mean, a littlespoken word.
And when she'd go up she'd sayanything I can't do spoken words
, I can't even mock her properly, but you know, when she'd do

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that, everybody would say rah.
In other words, we seem to don'tcare and maybe that is the
truth about the political baseof both parties.
We don't care what they say.
We go in there forentertainment.
We want to go there and seeLady Lava sing and we want to
see Young Brother come out andKutain come out, and it seems to
be that.
And we want to hear dub plates.
We want to hear dub plate fromthis one and that one and we

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want to hear Skilly Bang sayshort as the man.
That seems to be more what wevoted for, to be more what we
voted for and I, on record ofsaying I vote for very frivolous
things, because I don't thinkthings change.
So I mean, maybe I vote for theperson who had the best up plate
, but at the end of the day, ifwe don't move past that, that
rara politics cycle and and getto the point where we have young

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decision makers sitting downand listening to what your
issues really are, because anyeconomic decision that you have,
any any political decision thatyou make, the truth is it have
ups and it have downs.
There's a, there's a there'spros and cons.
It's just reality the thing.
So it would be nice if it havesomebody there to walk through.
What are some of the pros andcons?
There are pros and cons tofloat in the dollar.

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We ain't gonna like it becausethe cons will affect all, like
me and you.
So the cons will affect themiddle class immediately.
The middle class will feel thepain and, matter of fact, I want
to say that the middle class isusually the people who affected
most by macroeconomic decisions.
Right, but I mean, the other day, you know, in a world where
somebody could just basicallysay I go pay everybody, I go pay

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back, pay next week, I go, dothis, I go.
So it means that the party inpower never have a chance
because them can't realisticallysay that, because the question
will always be why you didn't doit all the time, which is a
valid question.
When you do that for 10 yearsand you're coming to tell me you
go do and you go do and you godo now, that don't make sense.
But the flip side of that is I,as an could come there and say

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anything.
I could give out money.
What I could do is geteverybody you know they used to
talk this thing about when aibecome the ai replace all of our
jobs.
There's a guy in his statescalled I want to say it's andrew
yang, if I have that right, wastalking about universal basic
income so that they have someincome that everybody could get.
Because jobs, entry-level jobswill become a problem when three

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things take over artificialintelligence, automation and
robotics.
When them three things takeover, it will be hard for
anybody to get and keep anentry-level job Make sense.
So when you come in and youtalk about that and you come and
say, well, universal, what I'mgoing to do is pay everybody in
Trinidad and Tobago $20,000.
Everybody.
You must vote for that, youmust want that.

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Who don't want an extra $20,000?
You know what I mean.
Who don't want a food card or agrant or a laptop.
It's good policies, but thetruth is, if we don't know how
we're paying for it, because I'mnot sure that we do a great job
connecting the fact that themoney must come from somewhere.
If you're going to put moremoney into wanting, the amount

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of money that our country haveis just like your budget home
it's finite.
If you're making 10 grand amonth net because you had to pay
the government the money, right, you pay the government the tax
already you're going home witheight thousand dollars.
Now, if you want to buy tenthousand dollars worth of things
that month, you have to explainto somebody or pick it up with
yourself, basically where theextra two thousand come from.
The truth is that in ahousehold, the extra two

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thousand could only come fromtwo places it could come from
borrowing or it could come fromsavings, unless you do something
to affect that eight thousanddollar figure.
If you, if you, if you affectthat8,000 figure, if you affect
that $8,000 figure and you makesome sugar cake whatever it is
you do to sell, you do that andnow you're making $10,000.

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Then you could spend your$10,000.
The truth is also that if youmake $10,000 and you spend
$10,000, your savings could stayin the same place it was before
.
You wouldn't be incurring nomore debt, which is nice, but
what you understand is that yoursavings are not going to grow
and if you have a rainy day,you're going to have some
trouble.
It's not much different.

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There are plenty of differentlayers and complications, but
it's not much different at abasic level.
What had to happen with acountry, a country, making a
certain amount of money?
Are you making money by sayingnow I go to work every week On a
weekend, I just go and Ilecture, I just produce a few
podcasts and I just get moneyfrom that.
And I'm doing a podcast everyweek, that I'm looking for

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sponsorship and so on, for youknow what I mean.
Maybe that's a pressuringeffect for the right reason,
because that's exactly whathappened when I call the
sponsors.
But at one point, at some pointin time, the money will come in
from there too.
So those incomes that I havecoming in, I had to decide why I
want to do that income and I,at base, at most basic level,

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you can either spend it or saveit or invest it.
It's it's.
It's not much different forcountry.
We have a whole lot of areaswhere income is coming right.
We'd have a a decent littlelight manufacturing sector means
it's people who's making inthis country, right, and when
you make thing and sell if yousell it domestic, you get some

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money from that.
If you sell it abroad, you getsome foreign exchange from that.
Right.
We also have a nice little foodand beverage place, because and
when I say food and beverage, Italking about people like, um,
when I say light manufacturing,I might be including people like
, uh, my new minister, trade andindustry, and them.
Do you know?
I mean it's trade and industryor something.
So, or foreign affairs,whatever it is.
Uh, camera from, from sasha I.

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I like that move.
But when you talk aboutindustries like those globally
recognizable brands or at leastextra-regionally recognizable
brands, food and beverage you'retalking about people like the
Associated Brands, the Carib andso, who are getting full and
full of beverage.
What was my Mohammed friend'sname?
Again down in the Southland SMJaleel and Chubby and so on.

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We have had these some things.
So if you go anywhere in theSouthland SMJ Lee Land, chubby
and so on we have had thissomething.
So if you go anywhere in theCaribbean, you will notice, in
any Caribbean island orterritory, you would find that
we have a lot of products thatmight be dominating the shelves
in the supermarkets in thosespaces.
And once you understand that,every time they sell to those

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other countries, it has someforeign exchange coming in.
That's how we make our money asa society, as a nation, because
some percentage of that moneyends up in the government hand.
When you export something, theremight be taxes or something.
When you import something, ithas duties.
You have to pay on your inputsto make this thing, and then you
will have to pay corporationtax and green fund and business

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levy.
Uh, those things are I'm tryingnot to say easily manipulatable
.
Right, but you could.
You could adjust the amount oftaxes you pay.
But you will pay some form oftax there and you will employ
people who will, in turn, payincome tax and you will employ
people who the balance of theirmoney.
They will spend some of it inthe economy.
So that that's why economy madeof how much money you're making

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, how much money you're spending.
So the when, when, when youhave people who come in to tell
us we will do the world for you.
You know, I mean I give you thesun, the moon, the rain, the
stars and the mountain.
You know, I mean, if I come andpromise you all them things, I
like the idea of it, I want tovote for you, but until you tell

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me, okay, how you're paying forall those things, because how
you pay for that can in turnaffect my standard of living and
my quality of life.
We vote for it and we obviously.
The package that was presentedby the UNC was obviously much
better received by thepopulation.
I congratulate them for that.
They run a good campaign.

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They outspend the PNM from amarketing standpoint by far.
I think they out-technology thePNM too.
I don't know why the PNM.
The PNM have a little oldnessand all.
I don't know if it's how oldthe party is and things, but
they seem to fail to keep upwith the current times.
I don't know if it's theirbudget constraints or what, but
it's clear that digitalmarketing is where everybody

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needs to be, but they seem tostill like boots on the ground
marketing.
Not that bad, but surely itwill not work in isolation.
It's proven.
You need to have.
So the.
The PNM's response toinfluencers being a part of the
UNC campaign is basically to say, hey, all of the paying
influencers.

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I don't know if that was a goodresponse.
That was a pretty bad response.
It's a pretty inadequateresponse.
I always remember FrancisFashions one time put another
radio ad saying don't go and getlost in the Amazon jungle, come
to Francis Fashions.
One time put another radio adsaying don't go and get lost in
the Amazon jungle, come toFrancis Fashions.
I don't know if that's okay.
You can't pull all over theconsumer.
The consumer know, just likethat budget, I have a certain

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amount of money to spend whichis limited, and more want
unlimited.
So they go all day again.
So if you were to tell meupfront that the way I'm going
to get this money to do thesethings is to go to the IMF, it
would be great if we have apopulation of people who
understand that.
I want my back pay today.

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I want my negotiations up todate now, because I think the
last government do a horriblejob of keeping up to date with
negotiations.
I have people who talk about2013 and 2014 salaries.
They're working on stuff thatis not good.
It's not very far from the norm, unfortunately, but it's not
good.
We want a new normal.
We want a better tomorrow.
But if I was to have apopulation where I come to and I

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say I'm going to get back paytomorrow, right, and the
population stop and say how?
Because if we don't have enoughmoney and we don't have this
and they believe the numbersthat they're seeing and they say
, well, I'll go into the IMF,and they have a population who
says, okay, well, how does thataffect me?
Well, the issue is this If yougo to the IMF, the IMF has the

(33:57):
power to restructure, just likeany bank.
If you go by the bank now andthe bank will simply tell you
here was you seen, I could get aloan to buy a motor car, you
know.
But, number one, that motor carhad to stay in my name until
you pay off your loan.
Number two, you see, that's themoney you're paying for this
loan and that loan and that loan.
Uh, if you, if you're payingabout 500 less, I could get a
loan and then you could go andrestructure your budget now and

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say, all right, well, I'm goingto pay off that small loan I
have.
So consolidate this work onthat or sell sugar cake,
increase your income.
It's the same thing with theIMF.
Lender of last resort is whatit's called these people.
Well, no, that's the government, that's not the IMF.
So when you go to world bodieslike this, there are horror
stories all over the world wherepeople borrow money from the

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imf and could never pay themback because of how restrictive
the conditions are.
The imf gonna basically tellyou here what you see if your
income is x and your expenditureis y, I don't see how you will
service this loan, because I Icould give you 250 billion
you're looking for, but mean yougotta pay me back 20 million
dollars a month.
And if your expenses more thanyour income I, I don't see how

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you'll pay me back.
So here what to do cut allthese expenses.
You see these things here.
Cut them.
And you see these things you'reworking on here.
When it comes to to income, Ineed the money to be invested in
this, because if you invest inthis, this can increase your
income.
Let me give you an example.
Right, if, let's say, trend outof tobago decides tomorrow in
my favor that podcasting is theway that we're going to get more

(35:25):
revenue coming into thiscountry, then you come on, your
call quarry shop and you investin that guy.
Yeah, you put your money in me,put a little, put a little
faith in I.
If you put your faith in me, Igo make sure we make back the
money as a country, because nowthis could be exported and the
money will come in.
The IMF has the power to tellyou to do that or to allow you
to say, all right, well, thisinvestment you could continue

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with.
But you see, this money you'respending here which has no
chance of making money, andusually they would call it
transfer payments.
Right, it transfers publicfunds into the private sector,
but they call it a transferpayment because it's
non-productive.
So example of that would bedude cpep, urp.
Let me call whichever era youwas working in right, dude, urp,

(36:09):
cpep 10 days, whatever thething was when you was a wrong
or that will be cancelledimmediately, because the issue
with that type of and I'm notsaying it's a bad I want you all
to understand something when Italk right Especially people who
are new and might not hear metalk like this before All you
hear me do is ask questionsright.
Me here to talk about right orwrong, me here to talk about

(36:30):
good or bad.
I certainly not here to talkabout ketchup and mustard, or
UNC and PNM, and you know what Imean, these fellas.
I just come to explain the waythe issues work.
You decide if the rights arewrong with PNM or UNC.
You decide them to go on yourown after.
If you put money into CPIP andCPIP does not produce anything,
they make the place nicer, theyclean up the place.

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All those things are good.
That will make us feel betteras a nation.
Right, there was some intrinsicreward to seeing all these
stones in the country paintedwhite and so on.
You know what I mean.
It's nice, it's beautiful, butit produces nothing that anybody
could buy.
There's no production.
So, in other words, smjlproduces something that people
could buy and when they producethat thing that people could buy
, some of it will sell domestic,some of it will sell abroad.

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The ones that sell abroad willattract foreign exchange.
The one that sell domestic willhelp move our domestic economy
and employ people and so on.
Make sense, it's simple, simplyenough.
So when you have money goinginto CPI and there's no
productivity come up, the issueis not that the IMF is not a big
bad wolf.
The IMF is not a wicked place.
It's actually a real good idea.

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But what they will tell you isyou see the billions of dollars
you're spending here, I willgive you the money, but you
cannot continue that and youmust sign something that says
you have to scrap and disbandthat program Because that money
could be used to pay me back andit's not being used in a way
that's going to generate anymore money that will help pay me
back.

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Actually, it puts the money Ilend you at risk because, as you
continue to transfer to thatwith no outcome and you do put
that money into resource, intothings that are productive, uh,
or have the chance of beingproductive outputs, then I go,
lost my money and I'm not goingto let you.
It's not not different fromrepublic bank and the same kind
of things that they will tellyou they're mentally well boy at
this time.
Your debt service ratio youremember that's it.

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Your debt service ratio is thisand that and that, and this is
the maximum you could borrow.
So forget that rubicon youwanted to buy, go and get
yourself a nice little key inthis life.
You know, I mean this, this isas far as we could go and this
as far as we could lend you.
Hey, same thing the imf isgoing to do and again, I'm not
telling you about good, bad orindifferent, and you know you
tend to find that the debates,when you're talking to people

(38:38):
about these types of issues, itends up being a pnm or unc
debate.
It doesn't matter which partydoes this.
I talk about economicfundamentals.
I don't talk about anythingelse.
So the other thing that is goingto become a raising question is
the size of the public sector.
In this country the governmentis the largest employer of
people by far.

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We have an army that is therewith very little risk of war.
We have a bloated police forcethat seem not to be able to get
the crime under control orrespond to it fast enough.
We have a huge public sectorfor services that the country
don't even feel working well.
We complain about the publicsector.
If Conrad and them inaffordable imports was public

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sector employees, I could notcome and record today because I
had a slipper there that told meto go for a shoe that now
changed last month or monthbefore something like that.
So the public sector is not, byany stretch of by any
definition, is efficient at thispoint in time.
We're happy with the serviceswe get and it's also not
creating any productive thingthat could sell and make money

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to help pay back the imf.
So the imf is going to look atthat and say you're employing
too much people, you have toomuch a ministry, you have too
much services, cut down them.
Thing you forget.
Oh, and they might be, mightwelcome, and tell them hey,
what's he saying?
Forget all these differentthings.
You see that revenue authorityonly want to shut down, redeploy

(40:00):
about 10% of the employees.
You have to put them in therevenue authority because you
have to collect your tax.
And you see that property taxonly thing you have to put it.
That's the kind of thing theIMF is going to come and say,
because they know that if youput out a revenue authority and
you put in property tax asexamples, then you have a chance
of collecting enough money.
I seen how I gained back my 20million a month only with me.
So if you were to tell me upfront that this is the way you

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do it when you're going to payall these things, I might
realize that I work in for 10000.
Now when I get my back payagain, I 150 in hand and my
money going up to about 12, 5,but I might realize that, hey,
when I get a 150, if this is howI'm getting it, my, my 150
might actually be worth 70because of what it could buy.
The price, oh, I will be out ofa job when I'm done with this.

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This might be all the money Ihave done, but that is it.
And and the the total level ofunemployment in the country
going up, and then where we getwork, and I could also say that
my 12 500 is actually buying meless groceries than my 10 000
was buying, which is aninflationary effect.
Right, it's a problem, but we,we allow, we allow and I say we,

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being the electorate, we allowfor political process where even
the party in power doesn't haveto explain any of that.
We don't ask them why, we don'thold them to task, we don't, we
don't, we don't do it, and wetake the, the smile and wave and
I like to say very frivolousthings and we vote based on that
Same thing with devaluing thedollar.
Devaluing the dollar has a bigupside.
The big upside is that we willstop importing, and it's

(41:30):
happening already.
You're starting to see wherepeople are making choices to
support or buy from local brands, even if by force, because when
you don't have enough money tobuy the same amount of groceries
you was buying before, youmight find yourself switching a
little more from the frito-layproducts and you might buy a
little more sunshine snacks, andyou know, I mean you might.

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You might buy the importedcrackers, like ritz and them
kind of thing is written, put it.
You stop buying that as muchand you start to buy cricks and
things from domestic or regionalsuppliers.
That shift already happeningright now the gas price getting
higher, you know, or the gassubsidy being removed, you have
less money to spend on groceriesand all the other things that

(42:12):
you would typically spend on.
So if the dollar go from 7 to 1to 15 to one, where the rumors
is now, what immediately happensis the price of imports,
meaning the price of the thingsyou buy on Amazon.
The price can change on Amazonbut get more expensive to you
Because instead of spending 7titty for every dollar you want

(42:32):
to spend, you've got to spend 15titty for every dollar you
spend.
It's going to correct.
It's going to correct.
What will happen is that peoplewill stop importing so much and
the wise words are crazy.
You start eating local fruits.
You'll shift and once you makethat shift again, you'll find

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when, in economics ways, youstart a trend towards
equilibrium, you'll be at a newequilibrium point where people
stop buying those foreign things, you think, and then they'll
put downward pressure on thatprice of the US dollar.
So it might go all the way to15, but it will quickly start
coming back down.
And I was hoping to have I'dreach out to Roger Hussain,
who's one of the best economicsteachers I ever had, and he

(43:14):
promised me that he would giveme 15 minutes me, that he would
give me 15 minutes.
I asked him for a hour and ahalf, right, but he said you
give me 15 minutes, and he alsosaid he ain't coming.
No, he could do it on zoom.
I hope to have him come andtalk through some of these
issues because of all the econteachers I ever had, he explains
things in a way that's so easyfor people to understand.
It's almost like somebody who'snot just, you know, in a
classroom.

(43:34):
Like me, I slow like hell, youknow, but he explained it in a
way that is very, very easy toget.
So again, we have to know in aposition where we could hold the
, the current government, thenew government.
Congrats to them, congrats toall the mps who won.
Sorry for the pnm and on the pnmnta um.
You know kizil jackson was himhere, she's my hero.

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You know she bust out the nightbefore election.
Go on singapore and start toadvertise training course
immediately.
She didn't wait to find out ifshe would get back.
She deposit.
I didn't see she go on tv thisyear election coverage is one of
the worst election coverage Iever see too.
I just see about twoconstituents unc, unc leader
next time.
I see kirk may who's smilinglike he itching.
He want to go fast and and andfor general.

(44:16):
Only checking his phone to seeif he still have a walk is the
worst election coverage I everseen.
But sorry for all the partieswho lost, sorry for all the
people in the pnm who lost theirseat.
You know, on a personal level,right, this had nothing to do
with nothing, right?
I think the pnm losing givesthem a chance to reset and
rebuild.
And you could see the nonsensethat was happening within the
pnm now with people being forcedto vote for stuart, and you

(44:40):
know this is one of mydifficulties with party politics
, that that idea that big manand woman had to throw the line,
only clearly didn't want stuartthere, but only do only
internal meeting, only come andonly try to sell stuart to we,
even the ones who was silent onthe issue, like faris, basically
saying hey, you know what I wasnever.
I was never with this.
He come out and spoke about itand he was always for Penny from

(45:00):
Inception.
But something about it's sojuvenile Now that I've seen
people talking about Rawley as adictator and he bully we in.
It's like come on Rawley's partof this party.
Rawley was behind it and ifStuart Young did it, rawley
would have never seen none ofthis.
Rawley would have pretended Rawbad lawyers behind him.
This is why he can't take thepolitics, you know.
But PNM, at a point now where,like I say, unc have an

(45:20):
opportunity to be in power for along time.
Because I think people wasgenuinely fed up more than
anything else with the talkingdown to and the buffing and the
as of midnight.
I think more than anything elsepeople was fed up with that and
on everything that happened,increase your salary above about
the 1% and 2% or 0, 0, 0 andall them things or the smugness

(45:41):
of.
And one thing I'm saying is Ionly sorry.
Some more of them in Lawson, Ionly sorry, or like in Beto and
Faris and Manning.
I'm sorry, some more of them inLawson, so that they know, hey,
it's no joke.
What we want is a completerehash, a rehaul.
Start over from scratch beforeyou go and say, well, this one
is only leader and onlysupporter.

(46:01):
Are you watching Sweeney?
Let me start with theopposition Sweeney before
anything else.
I saw it the night.
You remember they say in Tobago, them fellas fall out and it
was 11-9.
And then in Balize House theyfall back in and it was 20-zip
and Stewart was leader.
I watched them men come out ofthe parliament not the
parliament.
What was the next Red Housename?
Bally's House.

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I watched them come out ofthere and a whole scene from the
end of the Godfather whereeverybody come and kiss Stewart
Young rings and then Penny wasnowhere to be seen.
But they come and they shakehis hand and he's like yes, I'm
Stewart Young and we have 20enrol.
He said ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta, I was.
This is a mob movie orsomething we should be watching,
because when they're swayingPenny and congratulations to

(46:43):
Penny I like the fact that.
You know I was talking aboutFreetongue Trinity, but the
country have its own little holytrinity going on.
You know what I mean.
We have a little trinity goingon between three of them.
So she come out now as leader,sworn in, as opposition leader,

(47:07):
a reputation for hard work, awoman who I met once in a
meeting and she's if I had todescribe anything with her,
she's very stern.
I was very frightened.
You know what I mean.
I was very nervous.
She was Minister of PublicUtilities at the time.
But outside of the parliamentno, not the parliament, the
president's house after they dothe swearing outside of there is

(47:28):
her next whole godfather scenegoing down, because them stand
up in a circle right and everyone of them pledge their
allegiance to Penny.
I never seen nothing like thisoutside a place like Scarface
and the godfather and goodfellasand them thing, and Penny stand
up looking forward straight toit and a man behind she talking
about how he's always lovedPenny and she said yes.
Yes, I said what the hell isthis?

(47:49):
I'm watching here.
This is part of governance too.
These are the people we trustto be in opposition to keep this
bunch in check.
So congratulations to them.
Congratulations to the mps whowon.
I had luck to foster them.
So who lost?
You know me, I hear foster wasone of the best.
You know.
When you hear foster talk.
First I sung, just like when,patrick manning's song, and now
I see like they ain't wantfoster again.

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At one point they was talkingabout stuart, foster and penny
being the three people who theywant to play the helm of the
party.
Now, boy, listen, I would loveto be a fly on the wall for
internal party politics.
Yes, but congrats again to theunc.
The unc, when I'm on recordagain I'm saying that the kamala
passad becessor can't get myvote because her statement she's
made, you see that, thatstatement with that slave name

(48:32):
thing.
I can't vote for kamala passadbecessor, but I will say that
once she's prime minister, thiscountry, yeah, my support.
If you do well, the countrydoes well.
If, if unc wins, everybody wins.
If kamala win, everybody win.
And I do find that, um, beforeI get into the their cabinet on
them thing, I always remember tohave a fresh batch of people

(48:55):
making every year.
You know I forget that and Ifeel like everybody's my age and
thing.
But what's this whole debateabout where she working from and
them kind of thing?
I try to understand something.
Anybody expected kamala passadbe sessa to live in the prime
minister residence or work fromthe white hall I.
I don't understand why this isa debate.
When she was there from 2010 to2015, she never used to work

(49:17):
from there.
She, she used to take herhelicopter and come back up the
road and them kind of thing.
I expect that the helicoptercouldn't start back flying soon
because the woman reached latelike hell.
I used to be so annoyed and youknow, every press conference
during covid started late.
All all these started late andnot not.
I want to.
I want to salute to thetechnocrats or the public

(49:39):
servants, right, the doctors, drHines there are a few of them
and names I can't remember.
It wasn't them, you know, itwas everyone where it have the
Alcing, the Alcing lost too, theAlcing or Rollers, and all them
fellas, them fellas used tostart late all the time.
And then when Kamala reachedlate for the swearing-in or
inauguration, whatever they callit, I see people who are on

(50:01):
Facebook, people talking aboutshe's late.
Look what she's done.
I was like all your boys, belate right through.
What are we talking about?
But again, fresh batch ofpeople making all the time.
So maybe there's people who,during 2020, because if you're
18 years old now and you nowvote for the first time, it
would mean that in 2010, whenthey was in power, you was, like

(50:23):
what?
Three years old, and when theyleave, you was eight years old.
So you don't understand thepolitical process or you can't
pay attention to that.
That time you or let me put itin better context for you, if
you was 20, if you's 25 now,which is a big working person,
paying tax and living on yourown, making sure and at least
doing the things that lead tothat you would have been 10
years old when them was in powerand and and 15 years old and

(50:46):
leave.
You might not be payingattention, but I want to tell
all the people who is died andthink this woman never used to
work from this.
She used to work from home allthe time.
Them cabinet meetings at home.
That was happening a long timethat.
So I didn't have anyexpectation that she was going
to go.
I naively thinking thateverybody who votes on yellow is
the code them kind of knew thatthat's what's going to happen
when she went.

(51:06):
She's not going to come out.
Uh, surprisingly she's talkingto the media after press
conferences and think maybe it'sbecause they just went.
But that was one of the biggestcomplaints about the kamala
passad be sessa led people'spartnership that she stopped
talking to the media and she wascontrolled or being think about
cabal.
But again, fresh match ofpeople they might remember some
of these things and she there.
So the fact that padarat andlisten, padarat is bursting at

(51:30):
the seams again.
I said these people have anopportunity to be in power for a
long time, but the way padaratoperating, I know if it will
happen because this guy is goingto lose.
He's going to lose it onsomebody soon.
I don't know if he's the manthey put.
I guess he's a minister in theoffice or the prime minister,
but I don't think he's the bestperson they should have put for

(51:53):
communicating on her behalf orin her absence.
And them thing about white walland this man show a whole
unplugged system there and hesay it ain't working.
But sometimes I don't knowplugging anything it'll be easy.
That's what I'm bending downhere, right here on my back.
I can't bend now too, but thatmean I just waiting for again
for entertainment purposes.
I waiting to see he lose it andstart to ball at people.

(52:15):
I see the boss done so.
I don't know how.
Akash samaru salute to akash.
Right akash, he had to protecthis wife and his relationship
home.
You know your wife and hischildren and his parents and so
on.
I hope your parents still aliveand I wish him the best for his
, his nuptials, his marriage andhis wedding and his, his home
life is what I'm trying to saybecause them is the only people

(52:37):
who love akashu.
I never see a man who everybodydislike across the board.
This man, when he take role, hesay Akashu need come down and
his next side used to be Chen.
For him, yeah, get him, youtake money and you take the
money and the pension.
Get him, get him, don't let himget away.
Right the man.
And back then as I'm talking asthick as you feel he might want

(52:58):
to be he asked him thequestions that again, rowlers
feel he asked him questions tomake him look bad.
He feel he asked him questionsthat the people want to hear.
The supporters of Rowlers hatehim.
The anti-Rowlers love him.
The man.
First question.
He kept asking TV.
Now he say Mom, I know you usedto tell people, give me money

(53:19):
to the children's life fund andthings.
This is documented becauseAkash wasn't 10 in 2010.
So he remember he know he wasworking in media already.
Say you remember, um, thechildren's life fund used to
make everybody, oh, you had athing where everybody donated
money to that and so on and soon.
And he acts it again becausethis has been his pet peeve for
a long time.
It was not, I don't think.

(53:40):
Now you can see it's not areallyy thing.
The man genuinely feel it was abad decision and he genuinely
feel it was a slap in the face.
You can see it.
You can see it when he asks aquestion and say, given all this
increase and thing, because nowhe was against the increase,
now you're coming, you'regetting the increase.
So I want to know if you havesomething.
I find it's one of the simplestquestions.
Boy, my, my lady didn't likethat.

(54:11):
My lady tell akash behaveyourself.
I was too nice last time, don'tcome here with that.
I, I, I hate to think thatakash, after being painted for
so long as a unc apologist andI've reported as in the pocket
of the unc.
Akash, don't tell me neitherred nor yellow.
Nobody ain't gonna like you atall.
You need to have the bestpossible home life.
You could possibly have againappointmental made.
Swearing in was done.
Uh, the the speeches.
I just want to touch on thatfor a minute.
These speeches by both kamlapesad beceso and penelope
beckers were extremelyencouraging.
Encouraging that is why I'mlooking for, because it could be

(54:36):
hard to tell me you taking thismove or that move and get me
too excited or too dumb aboutwhat you say you want to do with
the economy.
Concern because the truth is,any decision they come up with,
they're both responsible parties, they've both run the country
before and whatever decisionthey take, it will just have ups
and downs.
The opposition will highlightall the downs, the government
will talk about all the ups andthat's how it will go.

(54:59):
But in terms of leadership,which I feel like again
documented here, I feel likethat's one of the main things
we've been lacking over the last10 years A sense that we have a
leader who believes in us andwe can believe in that leader.
I haven't felt that way in along time, or we have a leader
who has a vision that needs mysupport and help to be a part of
that vision so we can have,like the man said, build a

(55:20):
better nation together.
I haven't felt that way in along time but based on his
speeches by both kamala passadbecessa and penelope beckers, I
feel encouraged that at least Idon't think penelope is
officially leader of theopposition there, but we see
where they're going right.
So I'm encouraged by the twopeople who they have there and I
already have some faith inchristine kangaloo based on.
She played two calypso when sheopened the thing, so you always

(55:41):
have my support with that right.
And she said the pannier modelneeds us.
You adopt her, she.
She had my support right.
She went back to.
She was in primary school.
I like her as a leader.
So with three women there, I I'mhoping that you know they have
a tendency to say we don't havetoo much women in our thing and
it is thing and it's not like wecat fight and it's not, but it
works with the men and them.
When you look at who philipalexander versus gary or gary

(56:02):
versus this one and annieroberts the cat fight seemed to
be in this country happeningamong the men.
So I am hoping that we have adifferent timbre of politics
that we could look forward to,where these people could work
together.
Uh, you know, let me, let mesee a different type of politics
and let me see a different typeof conversation and a different
way of talking to one anotherand even talking to reporters.

(56:24):
Let we kill that thing wherewe're trying to.
We want to kill each reporterwho acts like what?
The people just askingquestions, reporters are
taxpaying citizens, just likeeverybody.
Why we talk to reporters likeif them is part of the
opposition and then they startto talk about things like
opposition mouthpiece something.
If we could bury them kind ofnarratives, that would be nice.
But I'll start, if you don'tknow about this, right, we play
random calypso and think duringthis thing too, you know would

(56:47):
you like to rock it with me baby?

Speaker 1 (56:50):
would you like to jump with me honey?
Would you like to rock it withme baby?
Would you like to in with mehoney?
Music, music, music, music,music, music, music, music,
music, music, music, music,music, music, music, music,
music, music, music, music,music, music, music, music,

(57:17):
music, music, music, music,music, music, music music, music
, music, music, music, music,music, music, music, music,

(57:38):
music, music.

Speaker 3 (57:40):
People so kind eyes in the body.
And there she was, standing ina corner, looking so sweet and
without a partner.
So I went over, I spoke to her,she smiled and I said to her
Would you like to rock it withme, baby?
Would you like to jam it withme, honey?

(58:04):
Sweet caroling soul music,jamming for soul.
Come on, rock it with me, baby.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
Come on, jam it with me, honey.
We had to fix this applause.
We had to fix this applause,conrad.
We had to work on this.
So more in the politics, right,because I guess the politics is
the hottest topic.

(58:52):
Oh, it's at a kisha, cool.
But Kamala, of course this isby Kim Budram.
Kamala expect seriousrevelations.
It's expect some seriousrevelations out of the 2024
Auditor General's report whichmust be laid in Parliament
before going public.
Prime Minister Kamala PrasadBisesa has said the PM dropped
the hints as she fieldedquestions following Thursday's
post-Cabinet meeting newsconference but decided to speak

(59:15):
further on the report.
Not to speak further on thereport, sorry, stressing that
the document must first be laidin Parliament.
Prasad Bisesa said the AuditorGeneral's report for the last
fiscal year has been forwardedto the parliament and to the
minister of finance.
However, she added we did notspeak on it until it's laid in
parliament.
I suppose that's the protocol.
She said the practice andprotocol, and maybe even the law

(59:35):
, is that we do not speak on ituntil it is laid in parliament.
Uh, but again, this is alludingto.
What do you expect to come outof it?
My expectation is that she'sgoing to say things looking
bleak, this, and that they makea mess of the thing.
There's a bunch of billionairesmissing.
I saw her say it before whenthey take over from Manning.

(59:56):
I saw Rowley say it about themwhen they take over from them.
I mean, I even see Rowley winduring COVID and he win the last
election.
And still talking about them solong ago I wanted to think I
get fed up with you too far, youknow, because it's like, all
right, okay, at some point intime you had to move on.
I wish we could move on today.
This is the point I want tomake.
I wish we could move on today.

(01:00:17):
I really don't want to hear toomuch about what was there
before.
I want to hear focus on yourplans and what you doing and
what you know you're doing foryouth.
So some of the initial promisesthat they said and I do like
the way she has approached it sofar, when, in the initial sort
of media briefing after she wassworn in, or the cabinet was

(01:00:38):
sworn in, as well as the first,uh, post-cabinet meeting or
media conference, whatever youwant to call it she's focused on
low-hanging fruit.
When she said, all right, well,the FUL thing had to be
resolved.
I agree to that 100%.
I spoke here many, many times onthe issue and I am not sure
that I want to live in a countrywhere I only feel safe if I

(01:00:58):
have a firearm I'm working withall the time or I feel safer.
It's like they outsourcenational security to the
citizenry.
But I do feel as if, if someit's like a, it's like a motor
car license.
For me it's like a car license.
If, if you could get yourlicense, it should have a very
clear, simple process thatallows you to get it quickly,
without a hold to the red tape,like any other thing is like a

(01:01:19):
bird paper.
So if a man decide he want tohave weapons whether it's
because you, he wants to protecthimself, or he just likes
weapons, or whatever it might bewhy does the process need to be
so cumbersome that I don't evenfeel to apply because of how
long it will take?
I can't track my application, Idon't know where it is, I don't
know if I will get through, andit seems to be one of those
processes, like many in thecountry, that are designed, with

(01:01:40):
bureaucracy, to createcorruptibility.
Designed with bureaucracy tocreate corruptibility.
It designed and held that wayso that somebody could get fifty
thousand dollars and split itup among themselves and then
they decide, uh, in their ownlittle government with their own
little demigods or semi-gods,you know.
I mean they decide who couldget a firearm or not.
Well, I don't, I don't, I don'tnecessarily want one, I don't

(01:02:00):
think I'm ready for thatresponsibility, but I do believe
that everybody who should haveone should be able to get one.
So I was glad to hear say that.
And when I have a prime ministerwho's talking about knock it
again and again and again andagain and again, I don't want
one, but I ain't gonna be theonly man without one, because
when they start a wild, wildwest, got this country
culturally, we are already aselfish people.

(01:02:22):
We care most about ourimmediate circle and family.
We care about that much morethan we care about society,
country or whatever.
And listen, if you ever read afellow named Maslow, abraham
Maslow, he talks about the typesof needs human beings have, a
psychologist right, and one ofthe things he talks about as

(01:02:44):
well as you are, you haveevolved when you start caring
about the collective more thanyou care about yourself.
Right, that's.
That was a big part of hiswriting.
So I'm saying that to say, wehave not evolved.
So when that firearm processgoes through because I I trust
that they're going to deliver onthis and they're going to

(01:03:04):
deliver on it quickly,especially when alexander is the
manager what do you call it?
Homeland security when it'sgoing to happen first and I'll
tell you this I don't want that.
I don't know if I ready forthat, but what I will not be is
the only man without a firearmnot me, not here.
For bad drive, I don't care,see too well about bad driver.
Man then shuts up my bonnet andI can't.

(01:03:26):
I, I believe I don't.
I don't know if we are veryresponsible.
I know we're very selfish, butmaybe we're really responsible
and I underestimated it and, um,when it becomes something that
and you know you could you couldsafely assume that everybody
would have I don't want to bethe only person without.
Just in case, just just in case, right.
They also said that they willlook at Stanyagrong laws and

(01:03:48):
home invasion laws.
Stanyagrong laws tend to havesome controversial things around
it in the States because yousee the people who are
proponents of the Americansociety or who like the way
America is run and they like theidea of capitalism and free
market economy and they may evenlike the idea of Trump,
especially in the recent days ofBiden.

(01:04:08):
They are aligned with this kindof rhetoric and talk about
crack it and knock it again andagain and so on and make it
available for everybody and allthose things, and that's fine.
But what people may not admitis that if you look carefully at
stan your ground laws in statesthat have stan your ground laws
, uh, or let me, let me talkabout my general belief about

(01:04:30):
the states.
You see, the us is these areexpiring, but I should talk
about this but the states is aplace where it is designed and a
constitution written by thefounding fathers.
The founding fathers of the usat the time still did not
recognize certain races incertain places as whole human
beings or human beings at all.
They were livestock right andthat's where they came from.

(01:04:52):
That is the thought process.
That's what they believe me.
I'm telling you whether they'reright or wrong, you know me and
telling you whether they'regood or bad.
I'm telling you what isdocumented in history.
That is their belief.
They grew up in householdswhere because forget their
belief, because when you tellpeople that, they will start to
tell you.
Well, abraham lincoln, hisfather and his grandfather and
them come from an era where itwould have been unheard of to in

(01:05:14):
to to see people as equal andidea of freeing and political
pressure is more likely to leadto that on anything else.
So I say in all this to say thatthe laws in a country like that
, when they say protectthemselves, they are talking
about themselves, and when theysay protect themselves from
somebody, they are talking aboutus.
So, stan your ground.

(01:05:35):
Laws it is.
It is starting to be shown nowwhere it is.
The court is much after.
You could choose modescarefully, since I have people
listening to me who I don't know.
I guess I'm talking to peoplewho I know.
I don't know why he's here.
A lot of their laws aredesigned to protect themselves

(01:05:55):
from the other, whoever falls onthe other.
So the courts are verysympathetic to a founding father
and a son and a grandson and agreat-grandson of a founding
father when they stand theirground versus when the son of a
slave or what do you call him,ados and so on.
When you see Ados stand theirground, the court is not as

(01:06:18):
sympathetic to them.
And when they say jury of yourpeers, sometimes the jury of
your peers don't exactly be yourpeers, so we see it in there a
lot.
So, when they use terms likestand your ground law and they
use terms like homeland securityversus national security, that
we've always known, I will bekeeping an eye on that.
It's something that I will payattention to and I'm hoping that

(01:06:40):
there's not an us versus themattitude to who can stand their
ground and it's actually not anattitude because I agree versus
them attitude to who can standtheir ground and it's actually
not an attitude because I agreethat I should be able to stand
my ground.
I don't Some of these thingsare wrong Firearms I don't
understand.
Like, for instance, I waslistening to a podcast recently
and they were saying that firinga warning shot in the air could
cause you to lose your weaponor brandition Meaning if

(01:07:05):
somebody come in and I just pullit out and shoot them.
But to tell you the truth,that's the main thing I want.
I want, I want that fire.
So when somebody rush me, Idon't, I don't want to shoot
nobody.
I don't want to shoot nobody.
But again, uh, I'm sure theyare very.
I'm saying that I don't knowwhat the reasons are.
I'm not saying it's bad, I justdon't understand it well enough
.
But I'm sure they have.
They have solid rationale forwhy you can't bust a shot in the

(01:07:28):
air, because I want to bust outin the air and run.
I don't really want to shoot aperson.
I don't like the idea of it,but it is what it is.
But so I'm just hoping thatthat is if it's a standard
ground law where, for instance,if somebody uh is attacking me
or making me feel threatened,it's a simpler process for me to
use the tools that I have in mypossession to protect myself
and my family and my possessions.

(01:07:52):
I'll say as well about homeinvasion laws and again, I don't
have in front of me, becausethey have not laid the
legislation yet what?
How are we going to framestanding-ground legislation?
I just based it on what I seein the state and I don't know
what the home invasionlegislation will look like
either, but eager to see itbecause that is one of my
biggest worries.
I don't like the idea that Icould just be home, a man could

(01:08:14):
bus in my place and no more.
I don't have anything toprotect legally, to protect
myself, and if I use the thing Ihave legally.
Now I tie up in the courtsystem and I don't agree with it
.
So I'm eager to hear what theycome up with for both things for
reform of how FULs are grantedand the biasness that is built
into that process and thecorruption that is built, and I

(01:08:35):
hope they eliminate it.
Let me see what the San Diegolaws look like.
Let me see what the homeinvasion laws look like.
I all for that.
I see um again in terms ofimmediacy uh, children's
hospital opening back, it'sgonna have issues.
So people say, no, the nurses.
And it don't matter what you do, it have it, have it, have it
have.
Uh, there's friction to gettingthings done, but people who get

(01:08:58):
things done live comfortablywith the friction.
If it had more nurses, there'sjobs, that's a good thing.
Uh.
Or if you don't have enoughnurses, we could, we could do it
have.
It's a plenty people who arenursing degree, who mother, mean
to do have enough nurses.
And then I saw them say as well, the laptops being granted,
right.
So this, this group, who goingback to primary school, I said

(01:09:18):
who now going to secondaryschool will get back the laptops
and thing I, I, this's hard toargue with measures like those.
I like that.
What I want to hear a little bitmore from them on is on the
long-term planning for theeconomy.
But you got to give them time.
You got to give them time toget their hands on the books.
Get the Auditor General report.
Let me see how it goes, but Iwill say that my experience and
looking at politics for a longtime now, I always feel like the

(01:09:43):
PNM is so much stronger onlong-term planning.
If they could just eliminatethis fatherly nation nonsense
where somebody feels he's myfather and can help me make
decisions.
They tend to have a clearer andmore well-thought-out long-term
vision for the economy and takedecisions that support
long-term well-being, whereas Ifeel the UNC has a way better

(01:10:05):
muscle, better strength, postway better strength, uh, in
executing quickly and doingthings that are short-term.
And I always remember being very, very frustrated as a young man
under patrick man.
I'm now trying to start my lifeand leave my mother house and I
started getting to thatgovernment and doing nothing for
my mentality, because all theplans that you could have heard
about when I had that 2020vision was about how we would be

(01:10:26):
good in 2020.
But that song's so far away tome.
I wanted to do things to bebetter now.
I wanted to know how I couldadvance myself now, which I did
and I think most people willfind their way to.
Trinidad isn't progressive.
No, people just look for waysto better themselves, but I do

(01:10:46):
feel as if the UNC, as agovernment, does so much better
identifying what, what are thethings that we need immediately
and what are the things that weneed to change so that society
could start.
You could start feeling thegetting better and you don't
have to sit down and wait for 20, 30, 40 years to pass to feel
like, if, like, if the placechanging you with me.
So again, I wish them the bestis something I'll continue to

(01:11:08):
monitor.
As I said, this is not a.
This is not a a forum that hasbeen abandoned in terms of our
ability to to just sit down andsit down and talk for a little
while.
You know, I mean sit down andtalk for a little while about
things that happen in society.
We will always get a chance todo that.
So let me get them time.
Let me get them time.
Let me see where it is.
Behind me is the code?

(01:11:28):
Are you with it?
Let me hope that it will workout.
And again, if you're new here,it's random, kaiso, you know
Adulph was always going on road.

Speaker 3 (01:12:07):
Leaving the woman home.
Yes, well, she take until shecouldn't take no more.
Last night, he going out, sherunning from the door Chugging I
coming too.
I coming too.
You ain't leaving me heretonight.

(01:12:27):
If we have to fight, I come intwo.
I come in two.
Local neighbours think I'm amouse, but I ain't the host.

Speaker 2 (01:12:58):
I come in two.
I come in two.
They spend only 500.
They spend only 1,000.
They spend only 2,000.
I'm thinking where's Kisha Cole?
I see Kisha Cole come in andlisten, paula Stacy tell me from
the time she's in the airport.
I don't give her credit.
She say, hey, what's going on?
That girl isn't looking happyat all.
Now I personally find she'snever really looked too happy.
She's looking slightly bitupset.

(01:13:20):
You know, I have these randomthoughts, feelings and other
things I process all the time.
I don't trust people who, whenthey open their mouth to talk,
their teeth will still beclenched like this.
I don't trust it.
I don't believe nothing they'resaying Keisha Cole is one of
them people, right?
So I see her come in.
She went by KFC, she got alittle spicy crispy up and
people start singing this song.

(01:13:44):
Now I'll tell you something,right, one of the things I end
up doing a lot like.
When I first started off thepodcast, I used to have to leave
tuesdays free.
I used to release on a tuesdaymorning, right, people remember
them days.
And when I done talk, I used toleave this free so that I could
talk to people about what Italk about, because people call
and say, boy, this, that, that,that than the other, and I just
wasn't used to it.
And sometimes I don't forgetwhat I say, because when I put
out Tuesday I might haverecorded since the week before.

(01:14:06):
So I don't forget what I talkabout.
And then too, you have to keepin mind, I talk about eight to
ten topics every episode.
Then, time again, true topicfast.
And the truth is I might reallyonly care about two of them.
Things I might deeply be caringabout, what happened in
politics and what happened inculture.
The other things are justthrowaway things to me.
So when somebody goes intodebate about that, it's like
it's not that serious.

(01:14:27):
This thing's performative.
You know what I mean.
So I always in this space whereyou're talking about podcasting
, I can't imagine what it's liketo be an artist with a hit
record, because that had to bereal annoying when you see
Keshav come out and theneverybody starts to sing.

(01:14:48):
Oh, kishok will come out andthen everybody starts to say, oh
, the whole kfc started singing.
I never seen nothing like thiswoman.
Just for she fall, she come forshe fall, these people singing.
But I guess he had a smilethrough that and then kind of I
don't know if I got a deal withthat, but all then she looked
like she wasn't so happy to behere, but then we get to find
out why she there.
So the thing was an r&b show,right, several local artists.
Salute to all the local artists,men like kutain, men like

(01:15:08):
preedy, you know, I mean theycame out there and put on a hell
of a show.
I think I see multi-symptomthere, plenty, you know.
I mean singers, singers goingout there and perform.
Uh, salute to preedy.
I think I underestimate preedya little bit, just singing
ability, preedy kind of r&b upsome of his songs and the little
clips I see they look good.
And uh, dexter dapps, who'salways a great performer.
I surprised palace say sheain't go by dexter dapps,

(01:15:29):
because I waited to see.
I know she gonna reach on stageand so I just waited to see.
But she said she ain't going.
Um, she ain't gonna go.
Happy mother's day to all themothers and so on.
You know, I mean all themothers of the nation, my
mothers, my baby mothers.
So happy birthday mother's day.
I'm not a young man.
So Keisha Cole, come out now.
What I really find strange whenI see the first clip, is how she

(01:15:49):
dresses.
I say, well, what is this?
What trouble is this?
This ain't looking good at all.
This ain't looking good at all.
I mean, I saw the diapercomments.
Who was it?
Was it she herself who came outin, in in her outfit in jamaica
?
When you look at, when you look, there was some performer and I

(01:16:11):
can't remember if it's who, butsomebody came out looking like
it was looking.
It was looking slight, um, itwas looking like pampers if you
had to put it like that, youknow uh.
But she come out in like thesame clothes.
She was in kfc, like she wentstraight from k.
Whenever I'm scorching hercommittee and I'm telling the
woman she had to perform becauseshe just eat, she fall and went
up on stage belly full stilland sing three song and bus out,

(01:16:34):
which is shocking to me.
Now I know I'm not leaving hometo see kisha come.
You know rnb man, but I supposethe, the, the savannah was
filled with people who listenedto Richard Trumpet every Sunday
evening and so on.
So they go in for that and thatis their kind of show.
People dress up nice.
The show looked good.
I mean, the committee andScorch plenty of experience at
doing events, so it looked good.
But it wasn't what theyexpected.

(01:16:55):
She came back up with DexterDubs and she basically sang a
few more songs with someprompting and coaxing from
Dexter Dabbs, and she seemedquite surprised when people tell
her about hey, you weresupposed to perform a whole set.
And the talk now is that shewas only paid for three songs

(01:17:15):
and the promoter's saying we payher for a full set.
So who knows what is the rightthing or what really happened.
But I want to flash back to atime where I leave my house in
south with my old self and backproblems salute to my boy bert
and I pulled bert out the houseand me and bert went and watched
idonia, bounty killer andbeanie man who I mean that is

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the ideal combination to get meto come out my house right,
because I'm a big bounty killerfan.
Uh, I see beanie many times.
One thing you're sure you willget is a is a a great show.
When you go and see beanie manor at least at some point in
time you used to get it and Idon't.
Yeah, I didn't see in a long II'm not sure if I ever see I

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don't perform live.
I want to hear banga mana,banga mana.
I want to leave home to hearthat.
And they also had a song, clashPartied.
I think the name of it wasFully Loaded and they had a song
, clash Partied, where you couldgo and hear.
I want to say Taurus Jugglers,a few sound systems Play.
So you know, that is the idealcombination and you could get me
.
You could get me out of myhouse If you have that, that

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combo there.
I had a reach early.
Yeah, looking for it here.
It's Kishak Old self was in herdrawers in Jamaica.
Her whole diaper is, her wholepampers, her whole huggies.
She put on and went to perform.
So maybe she just don't dressup to perform, I don't know, but
her huggies was crazy.
But, yeah, I went down in theshow.
I take in a little slice.

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After me I see bounty killer nomore.
And then after a while Irealized because I don't even
have done performanting, Irealized I said but wait, bounty
killer ain't coming back.
He do the sum total of songsthat kisha cole do is what he do
.
He do about three song and bustout.
So I said, but wait.
So when I see the connectionnow I see scotch promoting kisha
cool.
Then I see scotch producingbounty killer and then I see

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scotch do a press release afterbounty killer.
Because bounty killer said hewas not paid for no performance
with beanie.
That is a different price for aclash thing and or on stage
together thing and he was paidfor a show.
So when they tried to force thetwo of them together, he ride
out.
And I see scotch put out arelease.
That time it was a.
It was funny.
I was looking for it back infire to scroll back too far to

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find out some years ago.
But it's funny because they putout the release as how bounty
killer will talk to them.
It's like hey, yo yellow, wepay every money for him.
And scotch put out a releaseand then the issue was dead.
Bounty killer never respondedto it.
Scotch never said nothing.
Again.
They say the same thing aboutlegal action and so when I see
scotch put out a release thistime saying we painful, along

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with receipts, this time showingthe painful and them thing and
um, kisha cool, but kisha coolsong she sung surprised.
When she see the commentspeople saying they didn't get
enough and all this kind ofthing she it.
It seemed as though she waspaid for her parents and to do
three songs.
I don't know how that works as aperformer, because I'm not
sitting down on a plane for thatlength of time to sing no one

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song.
I I that.
That that not going to work forme.
I might, I might, I might justend up on the vibes of the thing
.
I might just end up singingmore and that could be to my
detriment, for my management andthem kind of thing too.
So if, if that is the case, Imight, I might just sing seven,
eight, nine song and hope forthe best, but I do not expect

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anything to come out of thatkisha cool thing.
I don't think she can do no morething.
I mean, I'm a pampered away inone year.
I don't think she can rememberback.
No, and I don't think anythinggonna happen with the promoters
on them either, especially ifthey do their part.
I always remember dave chapellesay I not be, I not paid to be
funny, I paid for the attempt,which means once you use my name

(01:20:55):
, you're gonna sell us with noamount of tickets anyway.
So it's like bye, it was nice.
So I hope people enjoy the r&bfestival and so on and we get it
together.
But, as I said, I'm never hereto talk about too much issues
without playing a little kaizo,you know.

Speaker 3 (01:21:38):
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entire region together In onebig splashdown fiesta.
A Caribbean connection, aregional vibration.

(01:22:01):
I say we jamming To the songsof the Caribbean, we grooving To
Calypso and Silver.
Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh oh.
This jam gonna be irie, it'sone love.

(01:22:28):
So feel free, for we are thepeople of the Caribbean, showing
that we don't want no basinplan.
A Caribbean connection, aregional vibration.
I say we jam in To the songs ofthe Caribbean, we groove in To

(01:22:54):
Calypso and Spielberg.

Speaker 2 (01:22:58):
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oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh,oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh,
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(01:23:19):
oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh oh.
Heavy mute there.
I forget to press the on.
I'm not a young man, but I wastalking about.
Now, let me tell you what I wastalking about while I was on
mute.
I was talking about the unitycup.
We have dwight york leading ourteam and if you know me well
enough, you know our soccerwarriors, man right and dwight
york leading us into uh worldcup and gold cup qualifiers.
In the early june we have toplay against the usa, haiti and

(01:23:41):
saudi arabia, which is going tobe a stern test for our national
team.
So I'm happy to see thatthey're in England now going
into a Unity Cup.
And here's how the Unity Cup isstructured right.
The teams in the tournament isJamaica, trinidad, nigeria and
Ghana, and the first match isSemi-Final 1, which we'll be
playing on 27th of May.
So it starts in the Semi-Final.
It's Jamaica against trinidad,and then the second semi-final

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is nigeria against ghana, wewill meet in the final and, oh,
the winners will meet in thefinal and the losers will play a
third place game.
So we will play against jamaicaand at least a one of nigeria
or ghana, whoever lose that game, because I think jamaica could
beat you right.
But what I'm encouraged by isthe fact that jamaica, jamaica,
nigeria and ghana would be wewould be the underdogs in the
tournament.
Let me play it like that, right, I don't think you have a
chance.
I was hoping we play everybody,but this is good because the
exposure that we get,particularly for a very young

(01:24:33):
team outside of the joven jonesand molyneux and these fellas,
you have a.
You have a pretty young team orinexperienced team who might
not face talent like this.
Like I was seeing a podcast inengland who I guess they promote
in the tournament.
He was basically saying hey,last time I see trend that play
a white man was the midfielderreferring to birchall, you know.
So it shows you how long ago wewere a force on the

(01:24:56):
international stage and wehaven't been seen that way in a
long time.
But I do feel like if thishelps us prepare for the more
important things, which, whichis the Gold Cup and the World
Cup, and this is one of thethings I had predicted.
Remember, I was telling you,dwight, you're being there,
we're going to get differentquality of games.
Well, it's clear to see thatthat is happening.
Now, before I write out, beforeAffordable Imports promotes, I

(01:25:17):
wanted to talk real quicklyabout some of the background
behind some of the conversationsand the interviews that have
been happening.
Like, people keep asking, like,how you get this person waiting
, how that was, how that was,and you know, maybe, maybe, I
will keep a little five minutesegment in each episode that I
do by myself to talk about someof these things, because, of
course, one of the last ones youwould have seen is david rudder
, and that was special, special,special.

(01:25:38):
Just the chance to have thatconversation at all with him is
special to me and, uh, a lot ofwork went into it and I was let
me let me start by thanking alist of people I have who would
have helped with this episode,whether they knew it or not.
Right, first of course, andalways stacy parlor, palestice,
villarreal, right, shepherd bab,you know, I mean, she's always
there supporting my mother, uh,my father, people who I could

(01:26:01):
call at that moment's notice,sometimes on the way, because
they were there, they were inthe band mix.
And thing when rudder was whohe was uh, people like omari
ashby, ozzy, merrick, wayne,shepherd you know people who
could call and get someinformation, bung, some ideas
off of, uh, just how to approachit and how to do it.
Mr shack, uh, when steel talks.
Uh, pan on the net places thatyou could go and get a lot of

(01:26:24):
information.
Alvin, daniel and CalypsoShowcase places you could get a
lot of information on just howto approach this.
And, of course, david Wales,who has been you might remember
the name, david Wales rightPhotographer, just a cool guy
overall, who happened to belistening to some of the
episodes and start reaching tome and he was like boy, boy, I
like your interviews.
If I wanted to interview thisfellow and I was like, um, I

(01:26:46):
frightened, I will just calldavid.
He's like, yes, I'll makecontact with you and he has been
doing that for a long time.
So it's helped me in a lot ofways just elevate the way, uh,
the way the podcast looks andfeels.
And, of course, che conrad andkyle at affordable imports, who
helped me to be in a positionwhere I could just focus on what

(01:27:06):
I need to talk about with theguests and what we need to get
done.
I don't have to worry about thelens cap being on and thing.
I mean, that used to be myworries long time, right, but
these fellas putting it out on alevel of quality where all I
had to focus on is come andrecord and what clips I want to
cut.
So I want to take a minute inthe end of the episode to thank
everybody for that.
But I will say that it's not awhole long story to be back at

(01:27:27):
that now.
It's really.
Basically, I asked him.
He said he could come.
He was very specific about thetimes, a day that he could
record where he in the bestpossible health and his speech
and so on.
He's not shy to talk about hisbattles with parkinson's, as you
might have seen in theinterview, and it came together
really, really well.
I was, I was, I was, I feltlike when we were in the room we
had something special and many,many of the interviews went

(01:27:49):
like that again, people will, alot of people will.
They tell me it's adrian schoolpublicist, but I'll say again
that I reach out to him.
Thanks for david for makingthat contact.
I reach out to him and he said,boy, I'll do it.
And he showed up and with.
I respect the fact that heanswered everything that I asked
him.
I asked some questions where Ifeel he'd just say no comment or

(01:28:10):
I don't want to talk about that.
But he, he was upbeat, he wascool, he was very, very affable
and I don't know, I don't knowhim from nowhere, we don't know
each other and you wouldn'tthink so when you look at the
conversation, because he'sextremely passionate about his
brands and the and what he'sdoing in this space, extremely
confident about his contribution, and he answered the questions
to suit.
So I hope people appreciate it.

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And I wanted to say as wellthat one of the one of the
people who contribute a lot tome for that uh episode for david
rudder and I hope to have himon when the football start is
lasana lie bird, because betweenthe school interview which had
a lot of people questioning me,and what I can allow people to
say and I listen, I I cannotallow they have some people

(01:28:53):
duvon stewart, adrian school,these people opinionated mr
shack, them, fellas and themcoming to say what they had to
say, you know, and they're notshy about what they're saying
and I am not bothered ordisturbed by anything they might
say, whether people see it ascontroversial or not.
I want these people's opinions,even if they state things that
are incorrect.
If I know it's incorrect, Imight ask about it in a moment,

(01:29:15):
but if I don't know, I'm here toget your story or your
viewpoint.
If you know me well enough, youknow the right and wrong and
the good and bad, and the factsand fiction thing is not my zone
anyway, I just want to hear howyou feel.
I'm a feelings kind of guy.
You know what I mean and Iappreciate people like them
coming to share with me who arenondescript and unknown to them,
but they come and they sharevery, very openly.

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I was just talking to Conradabout Duvon before this
interview started.
When Duvon came in I was worried.
And when Devon came in I wasworried.
He didn't say much.
When he came into the room thesecond morning and he come in,
he sit down and he was on hisphone and I was a little worried
.
I was like, okay, I wonder howthis is going to go, because he
does seem like that talkative.
But he opened up in a way thatI could have never expected.
I would rather come in here andlaugh about, joke about Chag

(01:30:06):
that they have.
These people could go on forzero show and do that whole day.
And lasagna contributed to thatepisode a lot because it was a
whole lot happening.
After a few of the interviews,after I have a weaker thing to
deal with, I was telling conradand I remember reaching out to
lasagna, I was like lasagna howhe is dealing with retraction
and having to correct thingsthat people say.
And one of the things thatstood out to me the most is

(01:30:26):
lasana said boy, korea, to beyourself, you know, don't go
against your brand.
You can't be wired or you can'tbe for zero, you can't be hard
talk.
He said people must understandthat if they decide to come by
you he's a man, his talk willshit you like he'll laugh, you
like he'll joke, and it's alight experience.
And he said the listener mustunderstand that when they come
to talk about you it's aconversation.
It's not an in-depth interviewwhere you're going to

(01:30:47):
interrogate somebody.
I'm not going to do it.
I'm not going to do anythingthat makes this little space we
created here uncomfortable.
I am, I'm a true host and theguest is a true guest.
My role here is to make them,everybody, feel comfortable and
let we have a conversation thateverybody wants to contribute to
and benefit from.
So that is me, that is me.
But before conrad and them openback that door, I just wanted

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to put out there.
So thanks to all the people whohave contributed to the that
episode.
And I want, um, I want to leaveit too.
I want to leave.
These songs might sound random,right that, if it wasn't here,
but it's like I like merchantbad, you know, you know, and
every year when I have theelection I get a chance to come
and play Build a Nation, but Ilike to play Summer, merchant

(01:31:30):
Greatest.
I could leave you with thatguitar solo.

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I dream I was in Africa and Iwas a warrior, wanted lion and
tiger Rage like my poor father,and when the darkness had come,
we set along our fire, tellingof the bravery and courage Of

(01:32:33):
our great ancestors, and wechant it Oh-oh-oh-oh,
oh-oh-oh-oh, oh-oh-oh-oh,oh-oh-oh-oh, oh-oh-oh-oh, oh, I

(01:32:57):
will talk to you.
Usually I used to say I'll talkto you when I talk to you again
.
Bye, thank you.