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REHOV (00:04):
Palestinian Territories are not a
country, first of all, it's a territories. It's
never been a country. We know that it's beeninvented by the KGB in 1964 as people before
that Palestinians were addressed. Arabs andTurks and other kind of people from the region,
but they didn't carry the title Palestiniansactually, until 1948. A Palestinian was a Jew.
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And if you told an era of living in Jerusalemthat is a Palestinian, it would be an insult
because Palestinian mean meant a Jew.
JOURNALIST (00:42):
More than 40,000 Palestinians have
now been killed in Gaza, a majority of whom are
civilians. And these numbers are from thePalestinian Ministry of Health, but they are
backed up by the United States, by internationalorganizations. Humanitarian conditions in Gaza
have degraded so much that diseases like polioand hepatitis A are now spreading. We have seen
countless children be orphaned. We have seencountless mothers lose their children. How much
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is too much, sir? At what point is it time toend this war?
NETANYAHU (01:10):
Well, we'll end the war when we
achieve our wogo of the making sure that Hamas
can't repeat such atrocities. But we're fightingthis war in a just war with just means, in fact,
with means that no other army has, has everfought. No other army has done, has taken the
precautions that Israel has taken sometimes atgreat risk to make sure that we minimize the
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number of casualties. You talked about polio. Weenabled now massive vaccination of polio. We
want 90% of the Gaza people of Gaza vaccinated,I think 200, 200,000, 200,000 I think we're
vaccinated today. We've put in a million tons offood, a million tons of aid, 700,000 tons of
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food. That's unheard of we've taken, because wethink that every civilian death is a tragedy for
Hamas. Every civilian death is a strategy forus. It's a tragedy.
PROFT (02:09):
Welcome to another episode of
Counterculture, the show that stands at the
intersection of reason and faith in the battleagainst sentimentality, the coddling of Islam o
fascists by the western media as illustrated byCNN's Jeremy Diamond in that testy exchange with
Bibe illustrates what peaceful plurals are upagainst, and not just in Israel. The new access
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powers, Iran, Russia, China share an old pensionfor totalitarianism. And it seems like only
Israel and America currently stand in their way.Putting the war in Gaza in historical context.
Both past and present is the subject of the newdocumentary and entitled Pilgrims by French
Israeli filmmaker Pierre Reho. Pierre joins usnow. Pierre, thanks so much for being with us.
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Appreciate it. So just in terms of, of thecharacterization of the Israeli war effort that
you're seeing from western media outlets likeCNN and Bebe's response to that, the, the un un
other worldly precautions that Israel is takingto try to avoid civilian deaths. And yet there
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really is this, this coverage of the Israeli wareffort as, yes, Israel has a right to defend
itself, but no, Israel isn't doing everything itcan to defend itself in a way that sort of
comports with Western sensibilities. You know,how, how do you react to sort of this, this,
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this murkiness, this moral equivalency that themedia treats this war with?
REHOV (03:43):
Well, first of all, as you know, there is
a lot of antisemitism involved. Israel being
the, the only country who is very easy to, toserve on the wave of antisemitism. If you want
to be against Israel, if Israel was a Christiancountry or a indu country, I guess we wouldn't
have the same problems. There are many reasonswhy this is happening, and I'm gonna try to just
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describe three of them very briefly. The reason,number, number one, I just said antisemitism.
Reason number two, Israel is a very moralcountry, and the very, and the people are very
moral, including the army. And we are tryingeverything we can not to harm Palestinian
innocent people or Palestinian civilians, andgive you a very simple number. If Hamas is
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telling the truth, and actually 40,000 peopledied in, in Gaza, 18,000 of them were fighters
or terrorists.
So the ratio of of collateral damage versusactual fighters being killed is roughly one to
one. When America fighting, modern country isfighting in a, in a civ in the civilian area.
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And all the wars today are conducted in intocities. It's not the time of you go to the big
field and you fight army against army.Everything is happening among civilians. When
America, France, and you name it, any moderncountry in the world fight in those zones, the
ratio is US is usually one to nine, one to 10.So Israel is doing an amazing job. But when you
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have, you know, Qatar spending thousands ofbillions of dollars just for the soft propaganda
around the world and pushing all the collegesand universities to be against Israel, but as a,
a certain result, and the result is we look likethe bad guys when we're trying to just defend
ourself and to trying to survive after the mosthorrible massacre in the, almost the history of
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the modern world, Palestinian Territories.
They are not a country, first of all, it's aterritories. It's never been a country. We know
that it's been invented by the KGB in 1964 aspeople before that Palestinians were just Arabs
and Turks and other kind of people from theregion, but they didn't carry the title
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Palestinians actually until 1948. A Palestinianwas a Jew. And if you told an Arab living in
Jerusalem, but is a Palestinian, it would be aninsult because Palestinian mean meant a Jew. But
what is happening over there, and this is partof my job to know about it, is that if you go to
the Palestinian Territories as a journalist, youhave absolutely no right to tell the truth. You
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have to follow the agenda of the Palestinianauthority or, or the Hammas or else they kid
you. They beat you up. And you want to keep, youwant to keep your job.
Let's say you are working for CNN and your jobis to talk about the conflict between Israel and
Gaza. Where do you have to be? Not in Tel Aviv.You go in Tel Aviv to, you know, for the
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parties, you have to be in the PalestinianTerritories. This is what the action is. But if
you go there and you say something which isagainst the Palestinian, cause you better not
come back next time, they're gonna kill you. Soyou want to keep your job. So you play, you play
the, you play, you know, you play the game, youplay their game. So three good reasons why
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nobody in the world is actually telling thetruth about the conflict. And those reasons are
understandable, but they are terrible.
PROFT (07:19):
Well, there's a couple of things too. I
mean, I just to put it, just to put it in some
comparison, some comparative context. I meanthe, the arguments they're making in the
direction of Israel, despite what Israel isdoing, I don't hear anybody saying, you know,
the Ukraine should be providing food to theRussians. Ukraine should be providing sewage
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lines and encampments for the Russians. Ukraineshould be telegraphing where they're going to
strike next. So that Russian civilians. But,but, but that's exactly what Israel is doing and
is Israel is in the same position as Ukraine,Russia innovated Ukraine and the Palestinian,
and Hamas, I should say, committed a terroristattack on Israelis and Gaza. So I mean, the, the
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parallel really is true. And the differing moralstandards as you, as you mentioned in terms of
what's being applied to Israel versus what'sbeing applied to Ukraine as they defend
themselves the same way Israel is defendingthemselves, is really stark.
That's number one. Number two, I wanted to getyour reaction to the, the prospect that look
Hamas and their sponsors like Iran could endthis war tomorrow if they return the hostages
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and, and, and America put pressure on Qatar tosay, turn over the Hamas leaders. That's your
essentially housing in Qatar, the same way thatthe Pakistanis house is Osama bin La turn 'em
over. Otherwise, we're cutting off your accessto American universities, otherwise we're coming
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after you. So I mean, all you know know, we, welook at these state sponsors of terror or these
collaborators like state sponsors of terror likeIran or collaborators like Qatar, as sort of our
partners in peace, but they're not, they're notour partners in peace. And that seems to be
another lie that the Western media is telling.
REHOV (09:11):
Yeah, you're absolutely right with
everything you just said, and couple of more
reasons, but I should add to what I said before.Number one, antisemitism, Zionism is nothing but
for the will of the Jewish people to have theirown land, their own little nation in their land
of origin. Nothing more, nothing less. Just letus have a country where we were born thousands
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of years ago. That's it. We don't want to harmnobody. And you know, in 1948, Arabs refused the
deal, refused a partition of, of of the what wasleft of Palestine. People must also understand
that Palestine as described as the worldPalestine, was Jordan plus the West Bank, plus
Gaza, plus Israel. This was Palestine, but theBrit gave 80% to the Arab. So they would build,
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they would make the Jordan, they would makeJordan. So only 20% of Palestine was left and
supposedly was left for the Jews.
But as you know, you know, that is part of thehistory. What happened is that the Palestinians
in those days took the side of, of the Nazis,they took the side of Adolf Hitler and their
leader, Hani was a close friend to Himler. Sothey started working in a direction of trying to
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exterminate also the Jews of this region. GermanAni was, you know, their leader hated the Jews
as much as Hitler hated them. And he was welcomein Berlin to first of all put together Arab
armies to fight against the Brits and theAmericans against the allies. And secondly, he
was on the radio talking to the Muslim world allday long on, you know, to tell them, revolt
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against the Jews, revolt against the bridge,kill the Jews, revolt against the Americans, et
cetera, et cetera, et cetera. So that's one.And, and another very important reason.
Now we're gonna have to be a little bitpolitical, which is right now it's election
period in America. And you know, the Biden gang,sorry, the President Biden and Kamala Harris and
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above them, the big monster called us. AndObama, I never wanted to see a country called
Israel to exist. If it could, you know, I mean,maybe not Biden himself, but certainly a lot of
people around him, and certainly Ku and Obama,they had simply had a very idea of Israel. So if
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you want in a conflict that the one we areseeing right now, and you know, I live in, I
live 20 miles north of Gaza, so I'm part of itin a way. I mean, for the first three months of
the war, I had to fall asleep with the sound ofrockets and bombing every day. And despite my
old age, I have a little daughter, two months,two, two years old, and each time 21, 23 months
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old now.
And, and every time there was a, a rocket and asiren, whether in the middle of the day or
middle of the night, we had to rush to the, tothe shelter where every house in Israel has a
shelter, which is built against any kind ofbombing and all that. So we had to rush to our
home shelter and how, what do you do with a1-year-old little girl when there are bumps, you
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know, above your house and the sirens and allthat, you have to play games. And we had to
dance in a shelter pretending that everythingwas all right in the meantime. You had this, it
was completely a crazy situation to, we had thebombs sometimes falling, you know, like a, a few
miles, a couple of miles away from our home orabove our roof, and we had to dance and, and
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sing with a little girl in the shelter.
Okay? So that was our, our situation. And I'msorry, I'm going a little bit away from what we
were talking about, but just, just to describeyou, for people who don't know, what is the life
of an Israel, an innocent Israeli living in thiscountry, and having to deal like we had to deal
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not only since October 7th, for, for more than adecade, you have to remember that there were
colonies or settlements in Gaza. And in 2005,Israel decided to withdraw from Gaza and take
away a force. One th 10,000 Jews were living inGaza to go away and come back inside Israel. And
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we left to the Palestinians, everything theyneeded in the world to build themself a, a
future. And the country with greenhouses,factories, you name it, only thing we destroyed
were the houses where the people were living. Sothey wouldn't have the trauma of seeing
Palestinians live in the house that they boughtand built a few years before and where the
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family were living.
So we destroy all the houses, but lefteverything else. And as you know, instead of
creating a paradise, they received hundreds ofmillions of dollars for international community.
Instead of doing that, they just build 500kilometers, 400 miles of tunnels. They bought
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all the weapons you can think of in the worldwith only one goal to kill Jews, not to kill
Israelis, not to kill whatever they would callto kill Jews. They wanted to kill Jews. So now,
in a situation like this one, when you have anAmerican administration trying to be balanced,
well, you know, poor Palestinians and they needhumanitarian help, and don't be too harsh on
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them. It gives, you know, a big smile on theface of the Haas leaders. They, they think we're
a bunch of jerks. We are in the middle of thewar and our number one lie instead of sending us
10,000 times more bombs that we need to get ridof the situ to, to control the situation and get
rid of Hamas, to tell us, be careful, don't goto rfa, don't do this, don't do that.
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And Hamas is laughing. So there is thispolitical situation thanks to Mr. Obama, and now
the people who cheated to the White House in2020 and are certainly gonna try to cheat their
way again to the White House in, in a month orin two months. You know, those Democrats who
are, as you know, as much as I know, even thoughI'm not living in America, they are not the real
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people of America. This is not America. This isa bunch of, I don't know what you want to call
them. And as far as Israel is, is, is talking,is concerned. They have to, you know, please
their extreme, extreme, extreme left. So forthat reason, they don't dare seeing the real
truth about what's going on here. And also themedia are lying. And also on the top of that,
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the United Nation is lying on the top of that,ane international is lying.
So just a small country, very small country,it's not even 1% of the Middle East. And
everything else belong to Muslims. And even thatwe are not, we're supposed not to have it and
American administration, this one, not the oneof the, of President Trump, but Biden and all
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the, all the gang around him, instead of doingthe right thing and telling us, okay, go ahead
and get your hostages back and go to Rafa andfight as much as you need to fight the war would
be over in three months. Instead of that, we hadto pay attention to this, pay attention to that.
And a year later we're still at the war. Andagain, eventually my little daughter will have
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to hear sirens and rockets in one day or two. Idon't know.
PROFT (16:42):
I wanted to get, talk about your film a
little bit too against everything. Sure. The
backdrop of everything you just said, the filmis called Pilgrims and the historical context,
you made some allusions to it. How Israelis havebeen on that land dating back to 1200 BC and you
know, Netanyahu, when he addressed the jointmeeting of Congress in the United States made
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mention of the ignorance of, of the protestorsand the, and the discourse and the, the vandals
on the streets of, of America and other westerncities too, you know, from the river to the sea.
They don't know which river, they don't knowwhich c you know, we, we've, everybody has
discussed this too. They have no appreciation.They're just mainly just drones that are
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repeating slogans. Someone told them to sayapartheid state and so forth. So it seems to me
the angle of incidents with your documentarythat provides this historical context to dispel
some of the mythology that is being perpetuatedis critically important. And I just wanted sort
of, you know, to give you the opportunity to perto, to color in the story here, you know, in
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terms of summarizing the history of this region,of the world and the Jewish people's presence in
it.
REHOV (18:03):
Well, that's a hard task. You're almost
telling me to sum the story of humanity,
basically. No, I
PROFT (18:09):
I, right. Well, but that's the point,
isn't it? That's the point, isn't it? No,
REHOV (18:14):
The, the thing is, Judea Samaria was
renamed West Bank under Jordan occupation. Let's
go back in the times of King David and KingDavid, when he put together the, there's a city
called now Jerusalem. There was no Muslim aroundhere, there was, you know, the Jews, TiVo was
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not even Christian yet. There were only Hebrewsand Jews, you know, Jews being Hebrews. And, and
so we know that there was occupation by manydifferent, many different other countries and
empires and the Roman Empire, conquested thatland as well. And the Jews are the kind of
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people who don't like to be conquested. And theyfought back and they fought back. So in, in 67,
actually after, after Jesus in 67 of our era,the temple, the Solomon Temple, which was built
by the, the son of King David, and was rebuiltagain and by, by her rod King odes at this very
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specific period of time was destroyed by theRomans.
It was not enough because about 60 years later,there was another revolt against the Roman
Empire. And this time the emperor of Rome, hisname was, sorry, I have you gap in my memory.
Apro Hadian decided that not only the Jews wouldnot have the right to live in his region anymore
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because he was tired of them, but he renamed thevery country, which was in those days, Israel,
Judea and Samaria. The three of them puttogether, he called them Palestina Palestine as
a remembrance of the worst enemies that the, theJews have ever had. The Philistines, it's in the
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Bible. So from that be kicked most of the Jewsout of there, he renamed the place Palestine.
And we are in 132 in the year, 132. And afterthat conquest, and we conquest and the
Christians and the Turks and your to were Turksas well, et cetera, et cetera.
This country was always occupied by other peoplewho are not Jews. But in the meantime, Jews were
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still living there. Jews stayed there, many ofthem, you know, either they were living there or
staying there or coming back there. Forinstance, I'll give you a very simple example,
which is kind of weird. In 18 40, 54, a certainKarl Marx, who was working for the, for the New
York tribe, was sent to the region to come backwith a, a report. And he wrote a very
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interesting article about the region. It said, Iwent to Jerusalem. In Jerusalem, there was about
15,000 people living there. Out of 15 people,10,000 were Jews, but they lived under Ottoman
occupation. And they live in a misery that it'snot possible to describe. And nobody has been
living under so, so much misery. And yet theyare the legitimate owners of this place.
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But under Ottoman rules, they were treated likeslaves. The women were sometimes taken, you
know, for the pleasure of the men. The men wereslaves. It, I mean, everything that you can
imagine, as horrible as it is, as you canimagine happened there. So in the meantime, and
now you have to go a little bit away fromPalestine, as you know, at the end of 19th
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century, after suffering a lot of differentthings, the Jewish people living in Europe, they
had been through the ghetto and they've beenthrough inquisition. Now, can the programs in
Russia, in Ukraine, in Poland, the kind ofprograms we see on October 7th coming to the
villages, killing everybody, ing the women,killing the babies, torturing and again and
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again. And in France, there was a big trialagainst an officer of the army called Captain
Fuss, who was accused of being a, a trader tonation.
He was not, he was a fake accusation, actually,somebody else took the documents and give them
to the Germans. It's another story, long story.But this specific incident laid the French
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people to, to, to, to shout death to the Jews inthe street of Paris came Australian journalist,
his name was Thor Herzel. And he heard death tothe Jews in the street of Paris. And he
understood that the Jews will never be free andthere will never be, they will never have a, a
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normal life and any, as any other people in theworld, as long as they don't get back their
nation, the nation. And it started the Zionistnot party, the Zionist, you know, I did. And it
took, you know, so many years to come true. Sonow we jump to 1917, the British win the war. I
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mean, the lives of those days win World War ii,they kick the ottomans out of the region.
They are in charge of Palestine, the French tax,Syria and et cetera, et cetera. But the British
are in charge of Palestine and they make apromise to give this whole land to the Jews so
they could rebuild their nation. Of course,locally, some people would agree and some other
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people would not agree. And the people who inthe degree later on the descendants became the
Arabs living in Israel. And we have two millionsof them. And the other ones became the
Palestinians, meaning the only reason, reason onthat, only reason to call them some Palestinians
is to destroy Israel. They have nothing else intheir mind. What they want is to take Israel.
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And when you are saying Palestinian, no Hamasattacked Israel. No Palestinians attacked Israel
because first of all, war ii, you wouldn't sayonly the Nazi attack, you know, the Germans
attack.
We the rest of the world were at war with theGermans. At the end of the war, they bombed
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Berlin down to the ground and nobody was sendinghumanitarian help to Berlin or to Hamburg or
other German cities. We had the same situationhere. The Palestinians of Gaza put Hamas in
power. They voted for Hamas, they support Hamas.They support Hamas. Up until now, if not, there
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would be hundreds of people to tell us where thehead of Hamas is hiding in which tunnel. And
they would also tell us, where are the hostages?So as long as they collaborate with the Hamas,
they are the enemy. Tomorrow, 1, 2, 10, 2000thousand Palestinians come to us and say to, to
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Israel and say, we know what sin war is. We knowhow to give you back the hostages. We have
nothing against them anymore. Be our friendsinside Israel.
2 million Muslims live in Israel with the sameidentity card as I carry, with same rights that
I have. I talk to them every day at thepharmacy, at the supermarket. They are Arab
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people. They were theirs. They, they, they havetheir Arab culture, Arab traditions, yet they
are Israeli citizens with the same right as anycitizen. Those are the Arabs who accept us. You
accept us, you are friends, you don't accept us,you want to kill us. There's a say in the, in
the, in the Torah, which is if somebody standsup to kill you, kill him first. Be the first to
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kill him. And that's actually the mentality ofIsrael. Okay, we want to get to be good people.
We're never gonna harm you if we don't have two.But enough, what happened in World War II is not
gonna happen again. It did happen again. So thisnever again is now, it's not gonna happen the
third time.
PROFT (26:12):
And so the, I mean, is it your sense that
this, what this effort afoot in terms of the
moral equivalence that is being perpetuated bywestern media and western politicians between
Israel and the Palestinians, but really Israeland Hamas, you know, the middling that's going
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on that we were describing, the, the, there'ssort of, I mean, to the extent that there's even
any knowledge, there's sort of an erasure of athousand years of history. You just briefly went
through and we all, we als and, and to theextent they start in, even in a mod, the modern
era, they start in 1948 and they go forward.This is sort of the pension of the left, of the
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pension of the Bolshevik. And I think what wesee in this country, in, in America, is the rise
of the new Bolsheviks is they want to erasehistory and start over day one. So they don't
have to have, so they don't have to have thesecomplicated discussions. So they don't have to
address the history that we know to be true. Andthe reality of of who is on which side exactly
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when it comes to living a live, living as apeaceful, plural list.
REHOV (27:23):
Well, you know what is interesting also,
it's the marketing around it. If you go in the
street and say, Palestine will be free from theriver to the sea, Palestine will be free. Wow,
it works, right? It's very simple. And now a Jewarrive and say, okay, wait a minute, I have to
tell you when King David 2005,
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And that's, that's it, end of the story. They'renot interested anymore. They want something
simple. This is a generation of TikTok, ofYouTube. You know, people don't think, they just
react with their emotions. And I have to say onething, as much as I, despite and hate every
single member of Hamas and their supporters,they are smart. They're super smart people. They
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added the behavior of the Westerners and theyhave this strength that we don't have. We have
the weakness of democracy and God do I lovedemocracy, but it also comes with weaknesses.
And this weakness is that we can be one mandoing one thing. We have to, you know,
conciliate with this and conciliate with that.And for the Muslims, and I know the Muslim very
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well. I was born in a Muslim country. I waskicked out of the Muslim country with my entire
family as 1 million Jews were expelled fromMuslim countries after 1948, which is something
that nobody wants to talk about.
And nobody wants to say, well, what a second,what, where was they gonna the nations, when 1
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million Jews were expelled from Syria, Lebanon,and, and, and, and Libya and Algeria and Morocco
and Tunisia, where, where, where was the un?Where was the money to help us? None. Zero,
nothing. In the meantime, billions have beenspent for the Palestine refugees and the death
of the descendants of the Palestinian refugees.All of this is completely political and it deals
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only with one, two matters, oil andantisemitism. On one hand you have people who
can provide oil at a very good price. On theother hand, you have a bunch of Jews. Who are
you gonna choose if you want to drive a bigexpensive car? It's also very simple, you know,
PROFT (29:34):
So, so Benny Gans, the head of the
National Unity Party said this week that if a
ceasefire is not breached and it doesn't lookgood, that ultimately there, there's gonna have
to be war in the north. That the, that Israel isgonna have to confront Hezbollah. So we have
potentially an expansion of this war. And so myquestion to you is, are you more concerned
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about, are you more concerned about Israel'sresolve in terms of pursuing these terrorist
organizations and ultimately their sponsor Iran?Or are you more concerned about the West resolve
in supporting Israel doing so?
REHOV (30:14):
I'm more, I'm more concerned about the
West in general. I'm more concerned about the
western culture, western traditions, westernidentity in general. Israel is certainly the
peak of the iceberg, but every, everything underis very concerning when you see how people react
in American universities and colleges, when yousee how the media react, when you hear the kind
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of stupid things that people are capable of, ofsaying, when you see some, all these Hollywood
actors who are the brain of, of, of a yellowfish, and, and they pretend to know everything
and come to take the, the side of thePalestinians and you ask them to, to point
Palestine or Israel on the map and they don'teven know where it is. This is what we are
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dealing with because of the decadence of theWest. And that's what worries me the most here
in Israel, believe it or not.
I'm not worried. We have the idea f we have themosad, we have, we are strong people. We are,
even though people are in, in the street of TelAviv, it's a little bit like in America you have
10,000 or a hundred thousand people partying andrioting and you think the entire country, no,
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when you have a hundred thousand people riotingin the street of Tel Aviv, you still have 9
million, 900,000 people who are going to work.And they're looking at those guys saying, what
are you doing? We are at war. Do we have time tofight against our leader? I don't like Bibi. I'm
not a big fan of Bibi, but we are, we are atwar. We must be behind our leader. We have no
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choice to get rid of Bibb naan right now insteadof trying to get rid of, of Hamas. Again, we are
laughing at us. All those left-wing mentality,ideology, we have to change the world to change
the world the way they think. You have to changethe human being. And this is not gonna happen
because nature made us as we are. And nothing,no ideology, no communism, no bhe is, is ever
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going to change the human being. So I'm worriedabout you guys more than I'm worried about us in
Israel.
PROFT (32:21):
Bibe has tried to make the case, has
tried to explain why America should take an
interest in what is happening to Israel and atwhose hands it's happening because you know,
obviously Iran's position is that America is thegreat Satan, death to America. That's not the
only place where death to America chance arepopular. What, what's your message to America in
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particular when it comes to the, the powder kegthat is that region and Israel being beset by
multiple sides and multiple threats. How, howshould we understand why this is particularly
relevant to America when it's so far away?
REHOV (33:03):
Whatever happens in the Middle East is at
a certain point expanding to the rest of the
world. Two different means. Immigration, illegalimmigration is very, very concerning everywhere
in the world, including in America. And if weare talking about Iran and we're talking about
America, let me give you a little piece ofinformation that not so many people know. Iran
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is financing the, the fentanyl crisis. Iran ismaking sure that Chinese factories are making
enough fentanyl that can later on cross theborder from Mexico to America to destroy
American youth. Okay? So Iran is our enemy. Iranis also American's enemy, not under Obama. It
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would believe that Iran could be of the, of theMiddle East and it would be good for everybody.
I don't know where he can got that from. ButIran is not only the enemy of Israel, but it
belongs to the access of evil.
Every Jewish life lost in Israel is lost, notonly for Israel, but also for America. Every
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Amer Israeli soldier with fighting against Hamasand against Iran is fighting for America with
American weapons. And each time one of us die,it means that another American stays alive
thanks to us. So we need more weapons to do thatand to make that happen. And you know, I've been
myself living in America for quite a long timeand I love your country and I'm very proud to
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say that I moved from New York, even though Ihave this terrible French accent. I've been
living in New York for many years and beforethat in Los Angeles. And when I moved to New
York, from New York to Israel, I did it in a wayto protect America from Israel, believe it or
not, because I love your country and you know, abig family.
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When we are in the same way of thinking, youknow, with traditional values, families,
hardworking, you know, everything that theyoffer today don't want you. If you remember
there was a poll like in the seventies andasking kids, what do you want to become? You
know, when you are, you become, you know, adult.I want to be an astronaut. I want to be a a
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fireman. I want to be a soldier. Now you ask thekids in America, what do you want to become? I
want to become a YouTuber. So that's the cadenceof the country. And that's terrible because you
know, it's instant pleasure without any hardwork behind it. And instant pleasure be without
hard work. You just open the door to Barbariaand this is what is happening. And Barbia is at
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your door. And Barbaria, we're fighting ittoday.
PROFT (35:41):
He is Israeli French filmmaker, Pierre
Reho. The film is Pilgrims. Where can people
access your documentary, Pierre?
REHOV (35:51):
It's gonna be out actually on October 7th
for the remembrance day of the, of what
happened. And it'll be on many platforms such asAmazon, Google to tv, you name it. Almost
everywhere we could have access to. Butessentially on Amazon and Apple TV also.
PROFT (36:11):
Okay, Amazon and Apple, the film again,
pogroms. Pierre Reho, thanks so much for joining
us on counterculture. Really appreciate yourtime.
REHOV (36:18):
My pleasure. Really,
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