January 22, 2025 • 50 mins
In this episode of the Disrupt Now Podcast, host Natalie Viglione is joined by guest David Akrish of Heaven and Earth Chinese Medicine Herbal Center, and this is part 2 of a 2-part series. If you’d like to watch part 1 called Pathways to Wellness: The Primordial Wisdom of Chinese Medicine please go here: https://youtu.be/25GCR5GtMmA
Let's dive into the concept of the 'Enlightened Warrior,' a sacred warrior archetype comprising of healing and martial arts (or Guardian/Protection) principles.
The discussion covers…
- The importance of training both the physical and spiritual aspects to align with nature's laws like sacred geometry and planetary movements.
- The inadequacy of traditional martial arts schools, which fail to teach practical application for self-defense, and the evolution of combat training that encompasses real-life scenarios.
- The philosophical and psychological dimensions of martial arts, aiming to empower individuals with life-saving skills and a profound understanding of their inner power.
And more!
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Welcome to the Disrupt Now podcast.
This is Natalie Viglione, your host,
and this is season two, unlocking the
cosmic mysteries around New Earth Magick.
My desire is to bring conversations
that serve as cosmic medicine for
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all of the sacred souls that seek the
revealing of the magick and mystery
of the organic celestial energies.
I powerfully step in as a sacred vessel
for the cosmic mother, or as we can
say, the divine feminine energy rising.
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I walk an authentic path of primordial
tradition, and I am here to share
wisdom and the highest truth for the
betterment of all beings, animals,
minerals, plant life, and all that is.
Please join me on this journey to
explore and awaken the magick again.
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Welcome back to another episode,
I have connected with this
guest in my own healing journey.
And the story is that I was so finding
very high quality, high vibration
herbs chinese herbs specifically.
Can be a very difficult path.
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And I am studying as part of my master
herbalism program chinese medicine, but
you could study this primordial wisdom
about true healing for many lifetimes.
It just is a gift that just keeps on
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giving and learning more and going deeper.
The journey through healing, not only
Myself, but it's about healing my family.
And my husband is on a healing journey.
I'm on a healing journey, but our little,
animals are on healing journeys as
well because the same poison that we're
inflicted with so our are for babies.
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So are all animals to be exact so we
need to be very conscious of this.
And when I was looking for
herbs for our little ones.
I found David and Teah Akrish.
And Chinese herbal medicine.
Is what they do.
And so I am immediately felt.
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Connection just in the energy of
the words and really connecting
and just more of the energy.
I don't really need to know
people I need to just feel energy.
I really like what they're doing and
they own heaven and earth Chinese
medicine herbal center and, I have
David on today and we're going to talk
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about a couple of different topics.
We're going to dive into Chinese
medicine and how his launch from being
a firefighter, and an EMT, a paramedic
really launched him into this realm of
natural healings and in addition to the
Chinese herbalist foundation that both
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he and his wife are doing together, which
I think is another wonderful connection
because my husband and I are doing
our sacred missions together as well.
So it's always wonderful to meet
other folks like us because we are
very rare and that's just a truth.
And so that was pretty amazing.
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on the other side of the spectrum,
we're also going to have a conversation.
About martial arts has taken this path
that especially in the United States.
We see a very franchised.
Six-year-olds being black belts, kind of
a thing, which is just absolute nonsense.
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And so it comes with this false
sense of knowing, and that
is actually quite dangerous.
So what David is also bringing
together is black dragon modern
combat and this is using that he's
a learned over 40 years together into
more of a system of self-defense.
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And what it means to bring these kinds
of movement practices in so that one
can actually be aware of what it would
actually be like to defend themselves.
To me, this is extremely empowering.
We have two episodes we're going
to be discussing, a lot about
this concept of a sacred warrior
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or a Zen warrior, the enlightened
warrior, the monk warrior, right?
This is really part of my work.
It's taking the power back, the healer,
the warrior, they are two archetypes that
come together, and this is represented
in many facets of primordial wisdom.
What I really love is that, it's really
tapping into this bigger awareness
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that we all need to be cognizant of,
and the more that we can take our power
back, obviously the more empowerment
energy ripples through the world.
Hope you enjoy these episodes and
thank you so much for watching.
I love in our last, in the conversation,
The warrior terminology that came
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up because I believe, a few years ago, I
got this massive, like breaking open in
my crown chakra and about, I don't know,
like half of a book is written already
about this enlightened warrior, the
sacred warriors, you had said, the monk
warrior this is truly what you need to
be In the businesses that we're building
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healing of any kind or assisting in the
healing, I should say facilitators guides,
so you also have very much taken that.
Like you mentioned before
that double road, right?
Like you said, the herbs in one hand
and smacking you with the other one.
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Yeah.
The sword went in and the
herbs, the others like,
yeah,
you need the
warrior and their healers, the massive
archetype that just has to blend together,
and that's an intriguing topic actually.
So afraid
of both of them.
They're afraid.
Of the herbs sometimes and they're
afraid and I'm trying to I'm teaching
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these classes and even speaking
with these people new students.
I'm trying to be really careful, but I'm
also trying to bring the word forward.
So it's like I'm trying to do 2
things at once and it's a subject
nobody ever wants to talk about ever.
Even in a normal martial arts,
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I got a lot of problems in
normal martial arts schools.
They don't talk to you about anything.
it's unfortunate.
It's just become a money making.
Follow the tradition,
money making, false hope.
Yeah.
It's all been taken away.
It's been, watered down or
whatever you want to call it.
Yep.
I've been there done that.
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So I can say it.
I just watched from the outside
and I was inside, I've wasted
so much time, so much money.
I know this is part of, maybe
we'll talk about that, but
Yeah, actually that's a, let's
talk about that because first you
start, you've started your own
org.
Found in my own school.
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And I never talked about with that, that
I think you'll like, I'm holding back on
it, but a lot of it has been downloads
from,
Yeah, there's other my own time here.
And even past times, there's no way I know
what I know and can even found a system.
Cause that's, it's a, a lot of people.
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Just copy other stuff
and call it something.
It's no, that isn't what I'm doing.
Yeah.
This is
geometric.
It's five pieces.
I think I wrote you.
And I was always holding that back because
I'm like, is anybody ready to hear this?
I'm talking about sacred geometry, sacred
numerology, the movement of the bird
or the dragon or something in flight.
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And there's two other laws of physics.
Nobody's ever talked about that.
And I know there's a fifth one I
can, Oh, the planetary movements.
What does that have to
do with self defense?
It's like everything.
So it has to do with everything
with even everything else.
So it's way beyond, but I
gotta be careful with that.
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And when speaking with people and
because they don't even talking
about it, you scare them away.
there's
so many misconceptions.
And so just like with the Chinese
medicine, you gotta be very careful.
Okay.
And it eased them in.
We talk about TSN Rob here.
It was the milk, give them milk or
something because they can't eat
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meat, their babies and baby it in.
Yeah.
Being disrespectful, but you
got to be real these days.
I think that's,
you break, shatter the veil is to
be honest, just so much honesty.
Everything's just fake.
Yeah.
Like
you said, you find a lot, my husband's
the, a similar journey and not as long
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as, sometimes you can spin your wheels
for so long trying to find the place,
the martial arts place, that actually
carries the hint of the, I would say,
the magick that you're actually looking
for, which is really just the essence
of who we are and what we can do.
It's just crazy that, like you said,
it's turned into a money making scheme.
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They call it
Mick Dojo,
it's sickening,
but it's truth, it's horrible,
I have a, when I call it the dry
gee schools, is that even funny?
It is funny.
is funny.
In one of the Kung Fu schools
I was in, this is the funniest
thing, there was three of us, I
think in the car, we carpooled.
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And then there was a teacher from the high
school or someone we knew and I don't know
what it was, but he wrote down and when
he goes, we got swimming in your clothes.
Our clothes are so soaked to the
core and we are Kung Fu uniforms.
Every time it was 3 hour classes and
it was in part of underground Seattle,
which is really cool in a room.
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So part there's, yeah.
Some places in underground Seattle
that have become businesses
and
because there was a fire and
then so the city sunk or they
built on top of it, actually,
yeah,
and it's not like Venice.
But yeah, they built on top of it.
But so 1 of these rooms was
this huge room is a cement
floor and it was 1 of the most.
In a sense, authentic kung fu schools
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I've been to, but even now I'm going
to have a lot of problems with, and
people would come and they would
go, are we recording by the way?
No.
Oh, that's a good thing.
Come and they'd love it.
And it was incredible.
But then they would leave because my
teacher never taught the application.
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So all we would do is this thing
called forms or katas and Japanese
and forms really long ones.
So it's called Charlie fight and.
They were incredible and you would
feel almost euphoric from the
forms to open the chi in the blood.
It was amazing, but you really
didn't learn self defense.
That's what people came for.
So when, Bruce Lee came out and then
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he brought Wing Chun, the system of
Wing Chun, which was, I call it the
derivative of what really happens in
combat, pulled out of Kung Fu, the old
traditional long forms, so all that stuff.
People went crazy because one, Bruce
Lee, or I want to be like Bruce Lee and,
but his core was Wing Chun, which was.
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Even traditional Wing Chun to
me, I think, I have my opinion
about that a little too much.
It's still, I've broken away from that,
but after 40 years of it, I can break
away from it and go, okay, there's
things that I like, things I don't like.
But,
and that's what I'm saying is
there's other people just down
the line, they're following it.
There's Swizzle Wing
Chun, it's traditional.
We do the forms, we do the same drills,
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the grabbing, and it's or Chi Sao,
maybe some of that's a waste of time.
Maybe things have to evolve
because when Charlie evolved
from the old Kung Fu schools,
right.
So it's
been ideas and even Charlie
was, we called it a hybrid.
It was post burning down of the Some of
the temples and so it was very advanced.
But even from that, they
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did not teach the combat.
and even in the main schools, and
now it's worldwide, this one system,
I won't name it, but it really is
worldwide, but it's the same thing.
it's just, you're just doing,
you're not applying it.
And a funny
story, I'm going to give a funny story
is when I was teaching that system,
for a long time, I was very devoted.
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And I was a Sifu and I was teaching
in Seattle at a really nice place.
And someone moved here to go to
the University of Washington.
And it was a young lady
and she called me up.
She says, I want to,
I'm in the same system.
Can I come to your school?
And I taught my school application.
So if you do what's called like a
chin up like that and a back fist,
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you actually apply it and see how
it feels doing it with somebody?
I said, just doing it in the air
for 50 years and no, seriously.
So we're applying even the same
kind of chunky that looks like that.
It's what are you doing?
It looks cool.
It's like a bird and you're
flowing and you're sending energy.
But if you're never really
hitting something, You don't
understand where things are moving.
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it's like learning how to drive
and never getting in a car.
You can do the simulation.
And so she comes in and she sees
what we're doing and she's so
disrespectful to me, to the school.
She goes, what the hell is that?
And I'm like, that is
what the hell you should.
I didn't say this to her, not learning.
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You're not learning any of
the application of combat.
She says, I'm still
working on my horse stance.
I'm like, okay, so you're going to stand
in a horse stance, what for 10 years
and make
It's meaningless.
Bruce Lee called it the classical mess.
So when Chun came out, which was
his combat, how the fist works, what
happens when you connect with somebody?
Yeah.
Whoa, the world went crazy.
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Yeah.
And they say that he was killed
because he was teaching it.
Yeah.
It's like in movies and stuff.
I believe it because he brought forward
the truth and he was a disruptor to all
of China in a sense, but he's screw you.
The world needs to know.
And if you want to train, what do I care
if you're Chinese or you're, I would say
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Chinese medicine isn't for Chinese people.
It's for everybody.
It
just came from there and
we have to respect that.
But, yeah.
If you want to learn and you want
to be a good student and you want to
defend yourself, why should you not?
Have that, capability or
that lesson given to you.
Exactly.
And so it went crazy across the world.
So I've spent 40 years with that, and I've
been in basically 40 different systems.
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Some for a few days.
Some for, like I said, 40
years now, like the Filipino
martial arts and I went crazy.
So after that, anyway, she didn't even
join her that just to finish that story.
It's amazing how disrespectful
people are in life.
And it's even if you don't like
what I'm doing, be nice, show me the
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respect, ask, go, I don't understand.
Can you explain it to me?
No, and I'm like, it's just,
yeah, I've had a lot of it's
a, it's a weird business.
Yeah.
It is.
Because
also now we're at the point.
Where that has been, at least here, in the
US, so stupid, but, it's we're so trained
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into thinking that these cookie cutter,
it's okay, how in the actual seriously,
could a six year old be a father?
Freaking black belt, like no,
no kidding.
You can't buy it, but it's so dumb.
we were renting a space and I was teaching
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the Filipino martial arts, I love Filipino
martial and there's different tribes.
And it's incredible.
It's one of the more, if someone says,
I'm not there to learn at your school.
I'm like, okay, boxing, not really
boxing, but if there's nothing else
box, don't take the karate class.
Somebody said that I'm like on the radio.
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I'm like, wow.
I couldn't believe she
said actually it was Dr.
Laura.
Remember her?
She told somebody, Dr.
Lowery was like a psychologist or on.
Yeah,
Yeah.
She was just saying, hey, whatever.
So you hate her, who cares?
But a lady called and said,
my, my son's overweight.
He's being bullied.
Should I put him in karate?
She goes no.
They're just going to learn
Katas and not learn how to fight.
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I almost fell over.
It was like, like she was
puppeting me or something.
She was putting me in boxing school.
He'll learn how to take
a punch and get one.
I'm like, Dr.
Laura is saying that , something took
over her body, David and invade her.
And I'm saying if there's a school, the
closest schools to me that are, they're
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combat, there's three types would be and
I'll maybe throw the other one in, but
Windsong, if there's a Wing Chun school
and there's karate, do the Windsong,
even if it's bad, Windsong do the Ong.
. Filipino martial arts
because it's weapon based.
It's you're already from the
beginning, learning to have something
in your hand and you're learning
distance, timing and angles.
That's one of my three things I
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was going to talk about today.
Distance, timing and angles.
If you do not work with somebody, if you
do not engage, how would you ever know?
How would it ever, it's not
going to come out of the air.
And, and in these martial arts schools,
you learn all these Katas, you do all
these exercises, you pay a lot of money.
Okay.
Then you spar and the
sparring, I call it mush.
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It doesn't look like
anything you've been doing.
Why aren't you even doing it?
So that's why that woman saw me taking
pieces of the form and like here I'm
stopping something and I'm doing what's
called a pectoral and a hammer fist.
Why would you not want to
learn how it is conditioning?
It was fears, but it is, oops, I'm
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going to have to show what I don't know.
So instead is let's just rank it down.
But in
the Filipino martial arts,
you're learning to interface.
So much of it's in a Wally.
Which is weaving and moving with it.
It's incredible.
, it's really good for you.
You're learning timing and distance.
You can, in a year, you can be so
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much further and than, I don't even,
I don't even like comparing it.
There's no comparison.
Yeah.
'cause you're doing one thing that
you're not doing in the other place.
Yeah.
So when, and then I love kendo.
Kendo is amazing.
It's a sport.
Yes.
But you're working with the weapon.
Oh, I brought a Kendall sword just
to,
yeah, it's called a shinai
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and
it's a bamboo, it's four slots or pieces.
And it's amazing that it was, it actually
was created because in Japan, they
weren't allowed to have weapons so that.
There was a time that I think the
British, I'm not, I actually, I
don't remember said no weapons.
So you're going to have
to train with the toy.
It's not a toy.
This thing is amazing.
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Yeah.
So you see this in Kendo in
Japan, of course, and it's still
limited, but it's incredible.
And what's funny about Kendo, there's no
weight class or age class in the sense.
And why do you think?
Because it's skill based.
Because you have a weapon.
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So the weapon that calls the great
equalizer, it's the great equalizer.
Even if you have a little weapon in
your hand and someone doesn't have some
advantage, even if you don't have skill or
what, maybe a little bit, or you're just,
I'm just going to hit you with something.
it's scary,
you're like, they have a hammer,
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and the hammer can do some damage.
And so it's interesting.
But you're right.
your answer was actually correct.
And I'm just saying, cause
it's you and it's your podcast.
You are correct.
It is.
No, but it's the weapon.
makes it equalized.
Yeah.
Which is interesting.
It's huh, it's totally different.
So my training, my
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school is about weapons.
It's about training with the shinai.
Once you learn this, it's actually the
first branch, everything you can learn
jujitsu, the throwing, the grappling, it
all comes from the movement of the sword.
And actually, when you're hitting
this against another sword or
another shinai, which actually means
flexible, The word is flexible.
Oh, just
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forward.
Yeah.
It doesn't mean Candice sword,
right?
The feeling and the energy
and the movement is so we'll
go to Chinese met flowing.
if you watch a candle person like
the, any tournament, but the higher
end, it's so fast and flowing.
You don't really appreciate it until
you pick this up, go, I'm slow.
And I'm, but it accelerate your knowledge
and your movement, your neural system.
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It's to me, this is the key, and in
most schools, so let's go back to
the ranking, it's ranking time, you
don't ever learn, maybe you learn a
weapon in five years, and the movement
will be so slow and archaic and
stupid, it would just get you killed.
It's just, I don't
I think the crutch of all
of this is, it's that false
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Ceiling.
Yes.
The Dragee schools.
It's phones.
Yeah.
See you're getting, it's funny,
it's the last
office.
There was a school right in the area,
and this is in rent in Washington and.
The kids would go in dry.
They come out dry.
It'd be like a 45 minute class.
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I'm just getting warmed
up for the four minutes.
It's just my joints are,
and
you're paying a lot of money
and I was watching some of
the classes that were so dumb
and
I just, I'm older now, so I'm just
being more and more honest, you don't
care, honey, you look like shit,
because they're just saying, you look
horrible, you're something different.
That doesn't look good.
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So it upsets me and these kids and
they're arrogant and they're wearing
their little and I'm like, Oh it's not,
that's the problem is
it's really creating.
Like a false sense of ability, which
is a problem because if anything
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actually happens again, like you said,
the application process isn't even
registering cause it never existed.
Okay.
So in the Taekwondo school that we were
renting couple of funny stories, one.
There was a black belt and she was maybe
in her thirties and they would break wood.
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Okay, like a little pine board
You could sneeze now by the way,
that would break it right there.
Did I just break it?
Yeah
So the whole class is there and we're
coming in my class I think they're
trying to show off or something.
I don't know why, but so somebody's
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holding one little three quarter inch
board and she's doing like the spinning
hook kick and her foot bounced off.
She does it again.
It bounced off.
She did it again.
She couldn't even break a freaking board
that I honestly, I could go like that.
It would break.
And I went, talk about false hope.
Yeah,
and I'm not ranking on,
I'm ranking on that.
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That's my mission.
My mission isn't to say this
stuff is crap, it's a waste of
time, but I'm going to say it.
I'm going to say instead of, that's bad
Western medicine or, pharmaceuticals,
I'd rather say this is good.
Look at this.
look at the possibility.
Yeah.
Instead of that restaurant sucks.
That one's amazing.
They cook their own food.
that same friend I told you about,
he said, you wouldn't know good if
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you didn't know bad, you have to, bad
people are there for you to understand.
And to reflect upon or
bad things, whatever,
I don't
get up and stuff.
People get weird.
Oh, bad people.
There's no bad.
Sure.
There are.
It's a bad situation, bad food.
And then you go, Oh, this is good food.
When we went to this restaurant
I'm talking about food's
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amazing and they make it.
It's all, even the potato
chips are like, they make them.
It's completely different.
So if you're going to go
out, find a place like that.
Yeah.
So just commercial garbage.
which is the same with
this, with martial arts.
Is it
not
any different?
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It's franchised garbage.
It is.
I don't know if anybody, I'm
starting a channel and one of the
first things that I was going to
do, the subject was going to be.
Is it martial or just arts?
Or where's the martial?
and it's going to be not just a rank, but
a questionnaire on what are you learning?
How are you learning it?
Or is it being applied?
I have this whole list because
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I want people to think.
Maybe I am wasting my time.
Are you just there for the
exercise or the tradition?
What are you doing?
Think about it.
And maybe there's alternatives.
Maybe the end goal isn't
at all what you think.
There's many parents who say no, really.
And they cross their hands first.
It's a black belt.
And it's yeah.
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And he got beat up yesterday
by the five year old down the
street, cracked him in the head.
Yeah.
Because.
His dad's a boxer and says
this is how you punch.
And you're going, Oh, wait,
that's not supposed to happen.
But I spent 14, 000 on
it.
I'm like, what does that even mean?
but in the school Oh, I was going to
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tell you this other thing that happened.
The girl with the bouncing foot.
So embarrassing for the school.
It was incredible.
I had another, I forgot the other
thing, but it was so embarrassing.
It was like, amazing.
God, I forgot.
Can't remember it.
Anyway, I'm going to do a good memory.
It'll got a whole bunch of other stuff.
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It'll come back in two seconds.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It always does.
So what is your school called?
And tell us more about that because
you're, has it already been like, Opened
I love saying I'm a government
official, so be careful.
I'm working for the city of
Albuquerque as a contractor.
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This is a whole new thing for
me, for the community centers.
So they did not allow me
to bring in even a stick.
I wanted to teach a
stick, not even the Shani.
Can you see that?
Oh, I think it's getting weird,
but a stick about the same length.
Yeah.
And, but teach all the sword stuff and
they thought about it and I was calling
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it civilian combat weapon training.
I couldn't believe they let
me come back from that because
that's Whoa, what the weapon?
Civilian combat.
And, cause see, I don't
use the term martial arts.
I don't use the term fight.
Those are they're lying.
They're causing, Oh, I know what I should
say about the tech, oh no, let me go back.
So I asked the head instructor, who
turned out to be a real not cool person.
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He was poaching my students.
And it's such a crappy thing to do.
He had a full, he's making plenty, and
he was just telling them, you don't want
to go there, come to our mic, and I'm
like, the guy told me, who came to me.
I'm not going to hear that?
And I said, you know what, we're leaving.
Screw you.
And by the way, they wouldn't
let us use the word self defense.
The wife said, who was an instructor,
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said that they own it, that
their school owns self defense.
So I couldn't say, yeah.
By the way, she told Tia heard
her instructing somebody.
I go on this what is it called?
Like when I'm just going crazy.
And she said, move like a
robot, like doing the content.
And we always laugh at that.
Move like a robot.
Move like the wind.
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Do jitsu means wind, like yielding
or wind or flowing or river.
That's what people don't know.
Ju in Japanese is ju, and jitsu
or jutsu means the way of.
Kind of do or Dao does.
It's the same word, which is interesting.
And I'm like, are you insane?
Move like a robot
That pretty much covers the,
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the knife is getting stuck in your gut.
Yeah.
Move like a robot and
. Anyway so the instructor one day I
said, you guys do any self-defense?
'cause he says we could not put it
on our banner or in our little flyer.
I'm like, whatever.
And he goes, yeah, get this once
a month, we dust off the training
knives and do a little self defense.
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And I'm like, whatever.
Summed it all up.
We just,
yeah.
We dust off the training,
not dust them off.
My
old school.
Let me go way back in the eighties.
I created what was called
combat martial arts.
Cause then I was using
the term martial arts.
Cause I'm like, okay.
People need to learn or what we always
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say is you need to hit something.
You need to feel what it feels
like to strike and hit a bag.
That's like boxing.
You're hitting something
and there's a recoil.
there's an energy that even builds
inside of you by striking something.
I sent you a picture
of hitting the Mojang.
I've been hitting a Mojang,
the wooden man for 40 years.
These people haven't
hit it for four seconds.
it's so incredible.
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So either you do or you don't.
And so way back, I created
combat martial arts, which was
really the beginning of the end.
That was like in the 80s, 82 or 83.
And then because I needed to give
a name to what I was doing, which
is application of all this stuff,
all these moves, all these forms.
And then, It's evolved into,
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I just changed the name
from Modern Katana Academy.
I don't think anybody knew what that even
meant, but it was, the same exact idea.
Learning from the sword or learning
from the weapons to, if you learn from
the weapons, you'll learn empty hand.
And by the way,
and what I'm doing now is empty hand.
So they came back and said,
we teach an empty hand class.
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I'm like, yeah, you're
letting me come back.
So sure.
And I changed the name of the school
to Black Dragon Modern Combat.
And that's what I believe in modern
in modernized combat utilizing.
Really the modern part is utilizing
modern weaponry, but it's more modern
thinking and even in the stuff I've even
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in the Wing Chun or the Filipino and
Kendo stuff, I don't have to follow it.
I can take some of it
and the centerline ideas.
The speed ideas the combat close
quarter, but there's stuff that that
same friend I keep referring to.
He said, the way you train is
the way you're going to react.
and it's true.
If you're in Taekwondo,
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you're going to throw a kick.
You're going to try to kick.
You're gonna do a spinning kick.
It's how you train.
That's how you're going to react.
And if you're doing some, I
think, goofy exercises or goofy
things, you might try to do that.
Like one of them is like you're
moving the blade and it's
coming across your center line.
I'm like, why would you
ever want to do that?
If it's open, it's over there,
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just leave it over there.
to me, it's very simple.
So why train in a way that, I don't
know, I don't want to ever create,
I call them the neural pathways.
I'm creating very specific neural
pathways.
And I'm cutting away anything that to
me isn't a close enough idea of what's
happening in close quarter combat.
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civilian close quarter
combat self defense.
And
that's not martial arts, not
fighting, it's not mixed martial
arts, it's life and death.
Nobody ever wants to talk about that.
right?
Because
you don't really get into those,
But if you train your spirit in
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that way, it's more than, I was
trying to tell the class the other
day, it's more than the thought.
Is it going to happen?
It's not, I want to be, it's
there's so much more from
this as you met the warriors.
Hey, it changes your spirit.
It changes your life force.
It changes.
It's weird.
Something oh, so real
scary will change you.
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And so for the combat, by the way, there's
new schools now that's what they're doing.
It is the evolution.
If you, there are people doing, and the
people that are teaching it are like.
Police or SWAT or they're a
security, they're moving into this
other, like what really happens.
If that makes any sense, I'm not even
calling it a name or I am because
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I want to, but I'm not even sure
there's some, watch this one guy.
I think he, yeah, he does call
it something like, I don't know,
but it's like maybe his name
combat or some, but it's real.
It's real.
It's in its street.
Real.
It's not sport.
Real.
Even there's a limit.
You can't do certain things.
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You can pull a weapon.
Can you see the guy in the
cage and he pulls a weapon?
It's wait, that's no, that's you know,
but in real life, everything's a weapon.
That's another thing.
If you learn your glasses, you can take
glasses and suddenly it's a weapon.
It's different.
It's a whole different thing.
Yeah.
mental state.
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If you saw somebody, and I always
tell people this, just pull
out even a little pen knife.
I don't care if you're a 10th
degree, triple black belt, world
champion, you're going to have a
little urination going down your leg.
I guarantee it because you're like, one
little nick, one little cut, whatever.
Nobody wants to, it's just, it's scary.
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Don't train in that
way, in that mentality.
It's not just going to happen.
It's not going to just
fall out of the sky.
Yeah.
So that's what it's a hard road.
Let me tell you.
The class last night, nobody even showed
up to the, there's two different community
centers and I'm like trying to give away
55 years of my things I've thrown away.
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It's free.
By the way, this is a free
class at this community centers.
I'm being paid for it, but The public
doesn't have to pay a penny and they
even bought gear, which is amazing.
I love the city for doing that.
They're thinking that
this is that important.
Yeah.
And I say at the class,
I'm like, thank you.
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City of Albuquerque
because
you're putting trust in me.
You're putting some money out.
And I know they believe in it.
They think, even though I can tell
they're scared, the people, the
bureaucrats, the people I've dealt with,
in a sense, because everybody should be
scared, but you still face your fears.
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Come and train.
I'm just going to get hurt, in the class.
Right.
But I call them a missing societal link.
I've been blabbing, stream of blabbiness.
Remember that word, man, you,
yeah, I'll be quiet handling
and it's true.
(34:56):
This is you.
Look at
me.
I'm going to let you.
This is necessary and it is teetering
on that edge of, again, are people.
you have to educate more to then get
people to be like, Oh yeah, I get this.
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And that's a tough road when
you have to educate first.
These first classes I'm talking.
And then we finally do the moves or the,
all that if you don't understand what
you're, in fact, this is my handout.
Nobody does this.
So I don't know, but I have a
handout with the description, my
background, even more description.
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I was going to talk about
that real quick with you.
And then the rules.
Anyway, next time.
What's that?
Oh, here we go.
It decided.
Yeah.
I'm
Tia was says, and then this is the
curriculum that I put all into.
I know teachers ever done that.
Nobody's ever talked to me about anything.
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And that's me.
This is black dragon breaking away
and saying, I'm going to do all the
things that weren't given to me.
And I'm going to strip away all
the nonsense and garbage that
I personally think is nonsense
and garbage and a waste of time.
And we'll get you killed.
Okay.
I say 90 percent of stuff on YouTube will
get you killed, because you always have
the other person give, moving with you.
(36:21):
Nobody lets you do that!
Tie him up in a little
knot, like in a cartoon.
You mean, it's not choreographed?
No, I mean it's not even choreographed!
The person isn't even moving!
There's this girl, and
you can do all you want!
And no, life is movement.
And so it's a big, anyway, so I was
going to tell you the three, I wasn't
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even sure what I was going to call it,
the golden triangle or the platinum
triangle, but there's three pieces.
There's timing, distance, and angle.
That's all of life, but that
is close quarter combat.
And then what I call the evil part is
lag time, rigidity, and telegraphing.
And that's why normal
people move or don't move.
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Telegraphing is you're
supposed to go like this.
I'm going to hit you and then pull back.
You're
telling, you're telling
what's going to happen.
The interesting thing in Nguyen
Truong, if I can get in here, is
this is called asking hands, which I
don't believe that But asking hands
and from here, you just go forward.
So you're like you're feeding
something in from a forward position.
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Kendo is forward.
Like they're holding out the
shinai and really forward
and
Yeah.
And so it's called forward energy.
And weight shift.
That changed everything, right?
Then the telegraphing, even a
boxer, like a jab doesn't pull back.
It goes forward and then the
cross goes forward and the hook.
So it really is much closer.
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Actually, Bruce Lee's teacher, Iman,
told Lee to be aware of the western
boxer and the western wrestler.
Yeah.
And
what's interesting is mixed
martial arts now is boxing.
It's kicking, but really a lot of
hand and wrestling Brazilian jujitsu.
So those two things that he prophesized
(38:11):
or knew is what's become really very close
to a lot of people think are close is self
defense, but even to me, it's not, it is.
I don't want to say anybody,
but it's not weapon training.
So even someone is different.
Weapon is different.
Yeah.
And bad people carry weapons.
Yes.
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That's just the truth.
Or a good person carries a weapon,
even like a tactical little flashlight
that I've been telling the class.
You don't want to carry a
knife or a club or whatever.
At least have a little flashlight
and you can flash someone in the
eyes, and it's really effective.
And then you can give them a little
hit with it and just even a flashlight,
a little crack with a flashlight.
And if you don't know anything, it
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hurts because you're using a weapon.
You're not using your, I don't think.
It's like that other person
would definitely not think that
would be a response, so it's like
putting power and it's taking
the power back really is what I
now I'm going to, you just led into,
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you read my mind, the middle connection
between the time, distance, and angle.
And then lag time.
A lot of people don't
know what lag time is.
It's just, if something happens and then
the time it takes for you to react to
it, By the time that happens, I would say
like a sucker punch, you're already hit.
So
you're completely unaware.
It's the unawareness world.
(39:33):
Yeah.
little dog's sitting there,
hey sweetie.
And then,
And then rigidity is you freezing
up because you've never trained,
you don't know how to react,
you don't know how
to be relaxed.
And then telegraphing is, You think
you're going to have to pull back or
move back before moving forward to
gain power, and you don't have to.
And but the middle of
it is these three S's.
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And one is strength.
Strength isn't what you really
rely on, but strength is ability.
A lot of people don't realize strength
and power are two different things.
It's endurance.
How much can you keep your hands up?
You might have to keep your hands
or do something for a little while.
Ooh, I'm so tired.
I can't even throw three punches
because I have no endurance
means you have no strength.
And then the second one is speed.
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Speed is even more important
is to learn how to have speed
through flow and relaxation.
Speed is power.
Power is the ability to move something.
A lot of people don't
know that definition.
Power is movement, it's not anti gravity.
It's once it's done, then
how fast can I move forward?
So strength is my lifting my arm,
but how fast can I move my hand?
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That's power.
So it's two different ideas.
Then the last one you
brought up earlier, skill.
And skill, to me, is the word of control.
If you're skilled, you
can control the situation,
right?
But still should also be hidden.
There's no saying if you
know it, don't show it.
And if you show it, you don't know it.
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That's an old karate thing or martial art.
Yeah,
it's a good one because you can
almost smell a guy who's they got
their taekwondo shoes and they're
walking around and I saw a guy with a
dummy, and
he was like, oh, I'm a
walking billboard, and
don't stop
me, and I'll kick your ass.
Yeah, exactly.
But, I always play the dummy.
(41:21):
This is one of my topics and skills.
Is play almost like I don't know
anything, no one ever they go.
Oh you teach that instead of I
figured you teach that you're the way
you talk and you're acting you it's
like I always catch them off guard.
It's I know a little bit Or just
play the baby or play stupid.
it's a good act, especially in
(41:41):
a bad situation don't play it up
play it down play yourself down,
right?
Even like you said don't do
this Don't bring your hands up.
They teach this a lot in these new
schools And I'm like, I don't, that's a
whole nother story, but I don't believe
in it at all for multiple reasons.
And one reason is because you're giving
away something that I want to strike.
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So if you put it up for me, I was
like, Oh, now I can hit it or I
can cut it or I can strike it.
So don't present your weapon.
Don't present something.
And I also think it's aggressive.
Even when people say
this makes you calm down.
I don't like it.
I don't like someone putting
their hands in my face or up
or it's, I don't believe in it.
Just put, keep your hands low.
Speak, relax, keep your hands.
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It's part of kind of the
philosophy that I have.
So
everybody follows the same thing.
Oh, get your hands up and
then you can call them.
It's have you really
thought that one through?
The person is psycho.
They're not listening to you.
And they have, I always consider
someone has a little knife or something.
you don't want your hands cut.
You want, That space to
be open until you feel it.
(42:48):
So
I don't believe in asking.
You're asking for trouble asking
hands to me as you're asking.
And yeah, I thought for so
long that is just nonchalant.
The students are standing there
and I go, that's combat position.
Go.
Yeah, there's no stance and I'm
going to get up and put your fist
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up and
goodness.
No.
Yeah.
React from nature.
React from your natural.
I'm at the grocery or at the
bank and something might happen.
Nothing usually ever does,
but God forbid it does.
You're coming from, you're not going to
put your hands up and into something.
Exactly.
Hey, look at me.
No, that takes away the surprise.
(43:29):
Right?
So to
me, it's control, but
then it's one more layer.
It's stealth.
Skill means you're not showing
any of it until you do.
And it all should look unskilled.
Like you're just slapping
something down and slapping it.
And that's, and that, yeah,
just a one and a two strike.
That's it right there.
That's all I'm teaching right now.
And it's incredibly, you can do
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so much with just two movements.
Once you understand and you
relax, move through relaxation.
And that is the biggest piece,
the relaxing into because, yeah.
I'm like, Oh, it's like in the military,
they break you down to build you up.
It is a military thing in a sense.
It's civilian, it's I need to
(44:12):
break these people's thinking down
and how all the misconceptions
And, but really from the body
to the mind and mind to the
body of just relaxing so much.
The first part of the class is just
opening up their shoulders and flowing.
And then I even get into really relaxed
movements that just look like this.
Oh, powerful.
(44:34):
and you're putting your
hand in a position.
Like this.
And you're flowing the energy.
it is incredible.
But if you only do that and you never do
the marshals or loops, the combat side.
You're missing links.
If you don't hit a bag or you have
somebody swing something at you, so you
go, oh, timing and distance and angle.
so I had people in the first class
(44:54):
using focus mitts that we bought.
The city bought, I'm like,
we're gonna use them.
And the two things we use
the focus mitts and arm
Yeah.
Arm guard.
Because
believe in, and you can, I don't
wanna call it non-lethal, but you
can get a lot done without going.
Everyone thinks you's
gonna hit 'em in the face.
No, there's so many.
You can do a lot with the arms.
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Just knock a lot of pain and then
if it escalates you can go further.
But usually I just knock
people's arms down.
'cause when I was a paramedic, I've had
people attack me stuff and that was it.
It was over.
It was, you don't wanna do any,
nobody wants to hurt anybody.
But you have to have the ability in your
warriors because that's the mug side.
The warrior side is, but if I have to,
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and that people think it's one of
my four psychologies is I'm a bad
person because I don't want to hurt.
So I'd rather get hurt
or killed or whatever.
I'm like,
Yeah.
I don't know.
Nope.
Nope.
Nope.
Nope.
Sorry.
We're on the wrong planet, guys.
Yeah.
I don't think I, No.
(45:58):
I agree.
And that truly is this, there's so
many words, but I'm really getting
into the space of the enlightened
warrior, the sacred warrior, the
zen warrior the necessary part,
the other part it's necessary.
To be able to act,
absolutely actually on the front
page and I'll read this to you there.
(46:19):
it is,
but I have your personal
preparedness, protecting our
communities and empowering life.
So that's my motto.
And it's I'm trying to change.
If we change the, you change the
military, you change the heart and souls.
Yeah,
you know in mind you'll change things
and
that's what this is personal preparedness
(46:40):
right
when you're violent or you're preparing?
Yeah,
because I don't even explain it, you
know I wish I could but how important
it is and it's your responsibility.
it is
And it's fun, by the way.
Training is fun.
It tests your skills.
It moves you into a, you
become a better driver.
I have avoided a nasty accident
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where somebody got killed
because of this training.
Alertness, awareness, these are all
very important things for every facet.
Yes, that's what I'm saying.
This moves way beyond cracking someone
in the arm and hitting them in the head.
Exactly.
Or not, no, but it does.
It really is so much, a geometry,
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you start thinking differently.
It opens all these different,
it opens the glands.
Exactly.
Back to the gland.
You have to watch the
beginning and understand.
Someone thinks 9 1 1, yeah, maybe
you can do something about something,
you
know good Samaritan, the Samaritan,
and
(47:43):
in life.
So it isn't about hurting,
it's the opposite.
It is protection and guardianship.
Yes exactly.
the real meaning of a warrior
energy, what emulate out into the world,
and you'll stop things from happening
and not as a, you're trying to put it
out there, but it's just out there.
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Things will change
because that's the monks.
I think one goes with the other.
I don't think you can just do one.
I think you were saying that too.
It's the right hand, but
you need the left hand.
They're both the same.
They're different ideas.
It's a harmonizing energy.
Yes.
And.
It's really such a hard
subject and people avoid it.
(48:27):
Nobody wants to teach it.
Nobody wants to train in it.
I say nobody, again, small percentage
and I want people that are saying, look,
I'm teaching you something different.
This is about things that could
save your life in real life.
So if you're in Albuquerque,
please reach out to David.
How would they get in touch with you?
(48:48):
They can go to, I have a website,
which is blackdragonmoderncombat.com
beautiful.
It's sensei@BlackDragonModernCombat.Com.
Awesome.
Yeah, and we will definitely
put all the details in the
write up and the description.
But David, thank you for sharing your
wisdom on both in the other episode,
Chinese herbs and wisdom, and then in
(49:10):
this, combat wisdom because I think
again, we were basically the healer and
the warrior conversation, which I adore.
So thank you so much
Thank you.
I really appreciate it.
It's awesome being on the show.
Thank you.
Take care
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Welcome back to another episode,
I have connected with this
guest in my own healing journey.
And the story is that I was so finding
very high quality, high vibration
herbs chinese herbs specifically.
Can be a very difficult path.
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And I am studying as part of my master
herbalism program chinese medicine, but
you could study this primordial wisdom
about true healing for many lifetimes.
It just is a gift that just keeps on
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giving and learning more and going deeper.
The journey through healing, not only
Myself, but it's about healing my family.
And my husband is on a healing journey.
I'm on a healing journey, but our little,
animals are on healing journeys as
well because the same poison that we're
inflicted with so our are for babies.
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So are all animals to be exact so we
need to be very conscious of this.
And when I was looking for
herbs for our little ones.
I found David and Teah Akrish.
And Chinese herbal medicine.
Is what they do.
And so I am immediately felt.
(02:36):
Connection just in the energy of
the words and really connecting
and just more of the energy.
I don't really need to know
people I need to just feel energy.
I really like what they're doing and
they own heaven and earth Chinese
medicine herbal center and, I have
David on today and we're going to talk
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about a couple of different topics.
We're going to dive into Chinese
medicine and how his launch from being
a firefighter, and an EMT, a paramedic
really launched him into this realm of
natural healings and in addition to the
Chinese herbalist foundation that both
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he and his wife are doing together, which
I think is another wonderful connection
because my husband and I are doing
our sacred missions together as well.
So it's always wonderful to meet
other folks like us because we are
very rare and that's just a truth.
And so that was pretty amazing.
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on the other side of the spectrum,
we're also going to have a conversation.
About martial arts has taken this path
that especially in the United States.
We see a very franchised.
Six-year-olds being black belts, kind of
a thing, which is just absolute nonsense.
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And so it comes with this false
sense of knowing, and that
is actually quite dangerous.
So what David is also bringing
together is black dragon modern
combat and this is using that he's
a learned over 40 years together into
more of a system of self-defense.
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And what it means to bring these kinds
of movement practices in so that one
can actually be aware of what it would
actually be like to defend themselves.
To me, this is extremely empowering.
We have two episodes we're going
to be discussing, a lot about
this concept of a sacred warrior
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or a Zen warrior, the enlightened
warrior, the monk warrior, right?
This is really part of my work.
It's taking the power back, the healer,
the warrior, they are two archetypes that
come together, and this is represented
in many facets of primordial wisdom.
What I really love is that, it's really
tapping into this bigger awareness
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that we all need to be cognizant of,
and the more that we can take our power
back, obviously the more empowerment
energy ripples through the world.
Hope you enjoy these episodes and
thank you so much for watching.
I love in our last, in the conversation,
The warrior terminology that came
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up because I believe, a few years ago, I
got this massive, like breaking open in
my crown chakra and about, I don't know,
like half of a book is written already
about this enlightened warrior, the
sacred warriors, you had said, the monk
warrior this is truly what you need to
be In the businesses that we're building
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healing of any kind or assisting in the
healing, I should say facilitators guides,
so you also have very much taken that.
Like you mentioned before
that double road, right?
Like you said, the herbs in one hand
and smacking you with the other one.
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Yeah.
The sword went in and the
herbs, the others like,
yeah,
you need the
warrior and their healers, the massive
archetype that just has to blend together,
and that's an intriguing topic actually.
So afraid
of both of them.
They're afraid.
Of the herbs sometimes and they're
afraid and I'm trying to I'm teaching
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these classes and even speaking
with these people new students.
I'm trying to be really careful, but I'm
also trying to bring the word forward.
So it's like I'm trying to do 2
things at once and it's a subject
nobody ever wants to talk about ever.
Even in a normal martial arts,
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I got a lot of problems in
normal martial arts schools.
They don't talk to you about anything.
it's unfortunate.
It's just become a money making.
Follow the tradition,
money making, false hope.
Yeah.
It's all been taken away.
It's been, watered down or
whatever you want to call it.
Yep.
I've been there done that.
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So I can say it.
I just watched from the outside
and I was inside, I've wasted
so much time, so much money.
I know this is part of, maybe
we'll talk about that, but
Yeah, actually that's a, let's
talk about that because first you
start, you've started your own
org.
Found in my own school.
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And I never talked about with that, that
I think you'll like, I'm holding back on
it, but a lot of it has been downloads
from,
Yeah, there's other my own time here.
And even past times, there's no way I know
what I know and can even found a system.
Cause that's, it's a, a lot of people.
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Just copy other stuff
and call it something.
It's no, that isn't what I'm doing.
Yeah.
This is
geometric.
It's five pieces.
I think I wrote you.
And I was always holding that back because
I'm like, is anybody ready to hear this?
I'm talking about sacred geometry, sacred
numerology, the movement of the bird
or the dragon or something in flight.
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And there's two other laws of physics.
Nobody's ever talked about that.
And I know there's a fifth one I
can, Oh, the planetary movements.
What does that have to
do with self defense?
It's like everything.
So it has to do with everything
with even everything else.
So it's way beyond, but I
gotta be careful with that.
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And when speaking with people and
because they don't even talking
about it, you scare them away.
there's
so many misconceptions.
And so just like with the Chinese
medicine, you gotta be very careful.
Okay.
And it eased them in.
We talk about TSN Rob here.
It was the milk, give them milk or
something because they can't eat
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meat, their babies and baby it in.
Yeah.
Being disrespectful, but you
got to be real these days.
I think that's,
you break, shatter the veil is to
be honest, just so much honesty.
Everything's just fake.
Yeah.
Like
you said, you find a lot, my husband's
the, a similar journey and not as long
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as, sometimes you can spin your wheels
for so long trying to find the place,
the martial arts place, that actually
carries the hint of the, I would say,
the magick that you're actually looking
for, which is really just the essence
of who we are and what we can do.
It's just crazy that, like you said,
it's turned into a money making scheme.
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They call it
Mick Dojo,
it's sickening,
but it's truth, it's horrible,
I have a, when I call it the dry
gee schools, is that even funny?
It is funny.
is funny.
In one of the Kung Fu schools
I was in, this is the funniest
thing, there was three of us, I
think in the car, we carpooled.
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And then there was a teacher from the high
school or someone we knew and I don't know
what it was, but he wrote down and when
he goes, we got swimming in your clothes.
Our clothes are so soaked to the
core and we are Kung Fu uniforms.
Every time it was 3 hour classes and
it was in part of underground Seattle,
which is really cool in a room.
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So part there's, yeah.
Some places in underground Seattle
that have become businesses
and
because there was a fire and
then so the city sunk or they
built on top of it, actually,
yeah,
and it's not like Venice.
But yeah, they built on top of it.
But so 1 of these rooms was
this huge room is a cement
floor and it was 1 of the most.
In a sense, authentic kung fu schools
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I've been to, but even now I'm going
to have a lot of problems with, and
people would come and they would
go, are we recording by the way?
No.
Oh, that's a good thing.
Come and they'd love it.
And it was incredible.
But then they would leave because my
teacher never taught the application.
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So all we would do is this thing
called forms or katas and Japanese
and forms really long ones.
So it's called Charlie fight and.
They were incredible and you would
feel almost euphoric from the
forms to open the chi in the blood.
It was amazing, but you really
didn't learn self defense.
That's what people came for.
So when, Bruce Lee came out and then
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he brought Wing Chun, the system of
Wing Chun, which was, I call it the
derivative of what really happens in
combat, pulled out of Kung Fu, the old
traditional long forms, so all that stuff.
People went crazy because one, Bruce
Lee, or I want to be like Bruce Lee and,
but his core was Wing Chun, which was.
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Even traditional Wing Chun to
me, I think, I have my opinion
about that a little too much.
It's still, I've broken away from that,
but after 40 years of it, I can break
away from it and go, okay, there's
things that I like, things I don't like.
But,
and that's what I'm saying is
there's other people just down
the line, they're following it.
There's Swizzle Wing
Chun, it's traditional.
We do the forms, we do the same drills,
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the grabbing, and it's or Chi Sao,
maybe some of that's a waste of time.
Maybe things have to evolve
because when Charlie evolved
from the old Kung Fu schools,
right.
So it's
been ideas and even Charlie
was, we called it a hybrid.
It was post burning down of the Some of
the temples and so it was very advanced.
But even from that, they
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did not teach the combat.
and even in the main schools, and
now it's worldwide, this one system,
I won't name it, but it really is
worldwide, but it's the same thing.
it's just, you're just doing,
you're not applying it.
And a funny
story, I'm going to give a funny story
is when I was teaching that system,
for a long time, I was very devoted.
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And I was a Sifu and I was teaching
in Seattle at a really nice place.
And someone moved here to go to
the University of Washington.
And it was a young lady
and she called me up.
She says, I want to,
I'm in the same system.
Can I come to your school?
And I taught my school application.
So if you do what's called like a
chin up like that and a back fist,
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you actually apply it and see how
it feels doing it with somebody?
I said, just doing it in the air
for 50 years and no, seriously.
So we're applying even the same
kind of chunky that looks like that.
It's what are you doing?
It looks cool.
It's like a bird and you're
flowing and you're sending energy.
But if you're never really
hitting something, You don't
understand where things are moving.
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it's like learning how to drive
and never getting in a car.
You can do the simulation.
And so she comes in and she sees
what we're doing and she's so
disrespectful to me, to the school.
She goes, what the hell is that?
And I'm like, that is
what the hell you should.
I didn't say this to her, not learning.
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You're not learning any of
the application of combat.
She says, I'm still
working on my horse stance.
I'm like, okay, so you're going to stand
in a horse stance, what for 10 years
and make
It's meaningless.
Bruce Lee called it the classical mess.
So when Chun came out, which was
his combat, how the fist works, what
happens when you connect with somebody?
Yeah.
Whoa, the world went crazy.
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Yeah.
And they say that he was killed
because he was teaching it.
Yeah.
It's like in movies and stuff.
I believe it because he brought forward
the truth and he was a disruptor to all
of China in a sense, but he's screw you.
The world needs to know.
And if you want to train, what do I care
if you're Chinese or you're, I would say
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Chinese medicine isn't for Chinese people.
It's for everybody.
It
just came from there and
we have to respect that.
But, yeah.
If you want to learn and you want
to be a good student and you want to
defend yourself, why should you not?
Have that, capability or
that lesson given to you.
Exactly.
And so it went crazy across the world.
So I've spent 40 years with that, and I've
been in basically 40 different systems.
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Some for a few days.
Some for, like I said, 40
years now, like the Filipino
martial arts and I went crazy.
So after that, anyway, she didn't even
join her that just to finish that story.
It's amazing how disrespectful
people are in life.
And it's even if you don't like
what I'm doing, be nice, show me the
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respect, ask, go, I don't understand.
Can you explain it to me?
No, and I'm like, it's just,
yeah, I've had a lot of it's
a, it's a weird business.
Yeah.
It is.
Because
also now we're at the point.
Where that has been, at least here, in the
US, so stupid, but, it's we're so trained
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into thinking that these cookie cutter,
it's okay, how in the actual seriously,
could a six year old be a father?
Freaking black belt, like no,
no kidding.
You can't buy it, but it's so dumb.
we were renting a space and I was teaching
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the Filipino martial arts, I love Filipino
martial and there's different tribes.
And it's incredible.
It's one of the more, if someone says,
I'm not there to learn at your school.
I'm like, okay, boxing, not really
boxing, but if there's nothing else
box, don't take the karate class.
Somebody said that I'm like on the radio.
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I'm like, wow.
I couldn't believe she
said actually it was Dr.
Laura.
Remember her?
She told somebody, Dr.
Lowery was like a psychologist or on.
Yeah,
Yeah.
She was just saying, hey, whatever.
So you hate her, who cares?
But a lady called and said,
my, my son's overweight.
He's being bullied.
Should I put him in karate?
She goes no.
They're just going to learn
Katas and not learn how to fight.
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I almost fell over.
It was like, like she was
puppeting me or something.
She was putting me in boxing school.
He'll learn how to take
a punch and get one.
I'm like, Dr.
Laura is saying that , something took
over her body, David and invade her.
And I'm saying if there's a school, the
closest schools to me that are, they're
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combat, there's three types would be and
I'll maybe throw the other one in, but
Windsong, if there's a Wing Chun school
and there's karate, do the Windsong,
even if it's bad, Windsong do the Ong.
. Filipino martial arts
because it's weapon based.
It's you're already from the
beginning, learning to have something
in your hand and you're learning
distance, timing and angles.
That's one of my three things I
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was going to talk about today.
Distance, timing and angles.
If you do not work with somebody, if you
do not engage, how would you ever know?
How would it ever, it's not
going to come out of the air.
And, and in these martial arts schools,
you learn all these Katas, you do all
these exercises, you pay a lot of money.
Okay.
Then you spar and the
sparring, I call it mush.
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It doesn't look like
anything you've been doing.
Why aren't you even doing it?
So that's why that woman saw me taking
pieces of the form and like here I'm
stopping something and I'm doing what's
called a pectoral and a hammer fist.
Why would you not want to
learn how it is conditioning?
It was fears, but it is, oops, I'm
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going to have to show what I don't know.
So instead is let's just rank it down.
But in
the Filipino martial arts,
you're learning to interface.
So much of it's in a Wally.
Which is weaving and moving with it.
It's incredible.
, it's really good for you.
You're learning timing and distance.
You can, in a year, you can be so
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much further and than, I don't even,
I don't even like comparing it.
There's no comparison.
Yeah.
'cause you're doing one thing that
you're not doing in the other place.
Yeah.
So when, and then I love kendo.
Kendo is amazing.
It's a sport.
Yes.
But you're working with the weapon.
Oh, I brought a Kendall sword just
to,
yeah, it's called a shinai
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and
it's a bamboo, it's four slots or pieces.
And it's amazing that it was, it actually
was created because in Japan, they
weren't allowed to have weapons so that.
There was a time that I think the
British, I'm not, I actually, I
don't remember said no weapons.
So you're going to have
to train with the toy.
It's not a toy.
This thing is amazing.
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Yeah.
So you see this in Kendo in
Japan, of course, and it's still
limited, but it's incredible.
And what's funny about Kendo, there's no
weight class or age class in the sense.
And why do you think?
Because it's skill based.
Because you have a weapon.
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So the weapon that calls the great
equalizer, it's the great equalizer.
Even if you have a little weapon in
your hand and someone doesn't have some
advantage, even if you don't have skill or
what, maybe a little bit, or you're just,
I'm just going to hit you with something.
it's scary,
you're like, they have a hammer,
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and the hammer can do some damage.
And so it's interesting.
But you're right.
your answer was actually correct.
And I'm just saying, cause
it's you and it's your podcast.
You are correct.
It is.
No, but it's the weapon.
makes it equalized.
Yeah.
Which is interesting.
It's huh, it's totally different.
So my training, my
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school is about weapons.
It's about training with the shinai.
Once you learn this, it's actually the
first branch, everything you can learn
jujitsu, the throwing, the grappling, it
all comes from the movement of the sword.
And actually, when you're hitting
this against another sword or
another shinai, which actually means
flexible, The word is flexible.
Oh, just
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forward.
Yeah.
It doesn't mean Candice sword,
right?
The feeling and the energy
and the movement is so we'll
go to Chinese met flowing.
if you watch a candle person like
the, any tournament, but the higher
end, it's so fast and flowing.
You don't really appreciate it until
you pick this up, go, I'm slow.
And I'm, but it accelerate your knowledge
and your movement, your neural system.
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It's to me, this is the key, and in
most schools, so let's go back to
the ranking, it's ranking time, you
don't ever learn, maybe you learn a
weapon in five years, and the movement
will be so slow and archaic and
stupid, it would just get you killed.
It's just, I don't
I think the crutch of all
of this is, it's that false
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Ceiling.
Yes.
The Dragee schools.
It's phones.
Yeah.
See you're getting, it's funny,
it's the last
office.
There was a school right in the area,
and this is in rent in Washington and.
The kids would go in dry.
They come out dry.
It'd be like a 45 minute class.
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I'm just getting warmed
up for the four minutes.
It's just my joints are,
and
you're paying a lot of money
and I was watching some of
the classes that were so dumb
and
I just, I'm older now, so I'm just
being more and more honest, you don't
care, honey, you look like shit,
because they're just saying, you look
horrible, you're something different.
That doesn't look good.
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So it upsets me and these kids and
they're arrogant and they're wearing
their little and I'm like, Oh it's not,
that's the problem is
it's really creating.
Like a false sense of ability, which
is a problem because if anything
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actually happens again, like you said,
the application process isn't even
registering cause it never existed.
Okay.
So in the Taekwondo school that we were
renting couple of funny stories, one.
There was a black belt and she was maybe
in her thirties and they would break wood.
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Okay, like a little pine board
You could sneeze now by the way,
that would break it right there.
Did I just break it?
Yeah
So the whole class is there and we're
coming in my class I think they're
trying to show off or something.
I don't know why, but so somebody's
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holding one little three quarter inch
board and she's doing like the spinning
hook kick and her foot bounced off.
She does it again.
It bounced off.
She did it again.
She couldn't even break a freaking board
that I honestly, I could go like that.
It would break.
And I went, talk about false hope.
Yeah,
and I'm not ranking on,
I'm ranking on that.
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That's my mission.
My mission isn't to say this
stuff is crap, it's a waste of
time, but I'm going to say it.
I'm going to say instead of, that's bad
Western medicine or, pharmaceuticals,
I'd rather say this is good.
Look at this.
look at the possibility.
Yeah.
Instead of that restaurant sucks.
That one's amazing.
They cook their own food.
that same friend I told you about,
he said, you wouldn't know good if
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you didn't know bad, you have to, bad
people are there for you to understand.
And to reflect upon or
bad things, whatever,
I don't
get up and stuff.
People get weird.
Oh, bad people.
There's no bad.
Sure.
There are.
It's a bad situation, bad food.
And then you go, Oh, this is good food.
When we went to this restaurant
I'm talking about food's
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amazing and they make it.
It's all, even the potato
chips are like, they make them.
It's completely different.
So if you're going to go
out, find a place like that.
Yeah.
So just commercial garbage.
which is the same with
this, with martial arts.
Is it
not
any different?
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It's franchised garbage.
It is.
I don't know if anybody, I'm
starting a channel and one of the
first things that I was going to
do, the subject was going to be.
Is it martial or just arts?
Or where's the martial?
and it's going to be not just a rank, but
a questionnaire on what are you learning?
How are you learning it?
Or is it being applied?
I have this whole list because
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I want people to think.
Maybe I am wasting my time.
Are you just there for the
exercise or the tradition?
What are you doing?
Think about it.
And maybe there's alternatives.
Maybe the end goal isn't
at all what you think.
There's many parents who say no, really.
And they cross their hands first.
It's a black belt.
And it's yeah.
(25:22):
And he got beat up yesterday
by the five year old down the
street, cracked him in the head.
Yeah.
Because.
His dad's a boxer and says
this is how you punch.
And you're going, Oh, wait,
that's not supposed to happen.
But I spent 14, 000 on
it.
I'm like, what does that even mean?
but in the school Oh, I was going to
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tell you this other thing that happened.
The girl with the bouncing foot.
So embarrassing for the school.
It was incredible.
I had another, I forgot the other
thing, but it was so embarrassing.
It was like, amazing.
God, I forgot.
Can't remember it.
Anyway, I'm going to do a good memory.
It'll got a whole bunch of other stuff.
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It'll come back in two seconds.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It always does.
So what is your school called?
And tell us more about that because
you're, has it already been like, Opened
I love saying I'm a government
official, so be careful.
I'm working for the city of
Albuquerque as a contractor.
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This is a whole new thing for
me, for the community centers.
So they did not allow me
to bring in even a stick.
I wanted to teach a
stick, not even the Shani.
Can you see that?
Oh, I think it's getting weird,
but a stick about the same length.
Yeah.
And, but teach all the sword stuff and
they thought about it and I was calling
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it civilian combat weapon training.
I couldn't believe they let
me come back from that because
that's Whoa, what the weapon?
Civilian combat.
And, cause see, I don't
use the term martial arts.
I don't use the term fight.
Those are they're lying.
They're causing, Oh, I know what I should
say about the tech, oh no, let me go back.
So I asked the head instructor, who
turned out to be a real not cool person.
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He was poaching my students.
And it's such a crappy thing to do.
He had a full, he's making plenty, and
he was just telling them, you don't want
to go there, come to our mic, and I'm
like, the guy told me, who came to me.
I'm not going to hear that?
And I said, you know what, we're leaving.
Screw you.
And by the way, they wouldn't
let us use the word self defense.
The wife said, who was an instructor,
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said that they own it, that
their school owns self defense.
So I couldn't say, yeah.
By the way, she told Tia heard
her instructing somebody.
I go on this what is it called?
Like when I'm just going crazy.
And she said, move like a
robot, like doing the content.
And we always laugh at that.
Move like a robot.
Move like the wind.
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Do jitsu means wind, like yielding
or wind or flowing or river.
That's what people don't know.
Ju in Japanese is ju, and jitsu
or jutsu means the way of.
Kind of do or Dao does.
It's the same word, which is interesting.
And I'm like, are you insane?
Move like a robot
That pretty much covers the,
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the knife is getting stuck in your gut.
Yeah.
Move like a robot and
. Anyway so the instructor one day I
said, you guys do any self-defense?
'cause he says we could not put it
on our banner or in our little flyer.
I'm like, whatever.
And he goes, yeah, get this once
a month, we dust off the training
knives and do a little self defense.
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And I'm like, whatever.
Summed it all up.
We just,
yeah.
We dust off the training,
not dust them off.
My
old school.
Let me go way back in the eighties.
I created what was called
combat martial arts.
Cause then I was using
the term martial arts.
Cause I'm like, okay.
People need to learn or what we always
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say is you need to hit something.
You need to feel what it feels
like to strike and hit a bag.
That's like boxing.
You're hitting something
and there's a recoil.
there's an energy that even builds
inside of you by striking something.
I sent you a picture
of hitting the Mojang.
I've been hitting a Mojang,
the wooden man for 40 years.
These people haven't
hit it for four seconds.
it's so incredible.
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So either you do or you don't.
And so way back, I created
combat martial arts, which was
really the beginning of the end.
That was like in the 80s, 82 or 83.
And then because I needed to give
a name to what I was doing, which
is application of all this stuff,
all these moves, all these forms.
And then, It's evolved into,
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I just changed the name
from Modern Katana Academy.
I don't think anybody knew what that even
meant, but it was, the same exact idea.
Learning from the sword or learning
from the weapons to, if you learn from
the weapons, you'll learn empty hand.
And by the way,
and what I'm doing now is empty hand.
So they came back and said,
we teach an empty hand class.
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I'm like, yeah, you're
letting me come back.
So sure.
And I changed the name of the school
to Black Dragon Modern Combat.
And that's what I believe in modern
in modernized combat utilizing.
Really the modern part is utilizing
modern weaponry, but it's more modern
thinking and even in the stuff I've even
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in the Wing Chun or the Filipino and
Kendo stuff, I don't have to follow it.
I can take some of it
and the centerline ideas.
The speed ideas the combat close
quarter, but there's stuff that that
same friend I keep referring to.
He said, the way you train is
the way you're going to react.
and it's true.
If you're in Taekwondo,
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you're going to throw a kick.
You're going to try to kick.
You're gonna do a spinning kick.
It's how you train.
That's how you're going to react.
And if you're doing some, I
think, goofy exercises or goofy
things, you might try to do that.
Like one of them is like you're
moving the blade and it's
coming across your center line.
I'm like, why would you
ever want to do that?
If it's open, it's over there,
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just leave it over there.
to me, it's very simple.
So why train in a way that, I don't
know, I don't want to ever create,
I call them the neural pathways.
I'm creating very specific neural
pathways.
And I'm cutting away anything that to
me isn't a close enough idea of what's
happening in close quarter combat.
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civilian close quarter
combat self defense.
And
that's not martial arts, not
fighting, it's not mixed martial
arts, it's life and death.
Nobody ever wants to talk about that.
right?
Because
you don't really get into those,
But if you train your spirit in
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that way, it's more than, I was
trying to tell the class the other
day, it's more than the thought.
Is it going to happen?
It's not, I want to be, it's
there's so much more from
this as you met the warriors.
Hey, it changes your spirit.
It changes your life force.
It changes.
It's weird.
Something oh, so real
scary will change you.
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And so for the combat, by the way, there's
new schools now that's what they're doing.
It is the evolution.
If you, there are people doing, and the
people that are teaching it are like.
Police or SWAT or they're a
security, they're moving into this
other, like what really happens.
If that makes any sense, I'm not even
calling it a name or I am because
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I want to, but I'm not even sure
there's some, watch this one guy.
I think he, yeah, he does call
it something like, I don't know,
but it's like maybe his name
combat or some, but it's real.
It's real.
It's in its street.
Real.
It's not sport.
Real.
Even there's a limit.
You can't do certain things.
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You can pull a weapon.
Can you see the guy in the
cage and he pulls a weapon?
It's wait, that's no, that's you know,
but in real life, everything's a weapon.
That's another thing.
If you learn your glasses, you can take
glasses and suddenly it's a weapon.
It's different.
It's a whole different thing.
Yeah.
mental state.
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If you saw somebody, and I always
tell people this, just pull
out even a little pen knife.
I don't care if you're a 10th
degree, triple black belt, world
champion, you're going to have a
little urination going down your leg.
I guarantee it because you're like, one
little nick, one little cut, whatever.
Nobody wants to, it's just, it's scary.
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Don't train in that
way, in that mentality.
It's not just going to happen.
It's not going to just
fall out of the sky.
Yeah.
So that's what it's a hard road.
Let me tell you.
The class last night, nobody even showed
up to the, there's two different community
centers and I'm like trying to give away
55 years of my things I've thrown away.
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It's free.
By the way, this is a free
class at this community centers.
I'm being paid for it, but The public
doesn't have to pay a penny and they
even bought gear, which is amazing.
I love the city for doing that.
They're thinking that
this is that important.
Yeah.
And I say at the class,
I'm like, thank you.
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City of Albuquerque
because
you're putting trust in me.
You're putting some money out.
And I know they believe in it.
They think, even though I can tell
they're scared, the people, the
bureaucrats, the people I've dealt with,
in a sense, because everybody should be
scared, but you still face your fears.
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Come and train.
I'm just going to get hurt, in the class.
Right.
But I call them a missing societal link.
I've been blabbing, stream of blabbiness.
Remember that word, man, you,
yeah, I'll be quiet handling
and it's true.
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This is you.
Look at
me.
I'm going to let you.
This is necessary and it is teetering
on that edge of, again, are people.
you have to educate more to then get
people to be like, Oh yeah, I get this.
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And that's a tough road when
you have to educate first.
These first classes I'm talking.
And then we finally do the moves or the,
all that if you don't understand what
you're, in fact, this is my handout.
Nobody does this.
So I don't know, but I have a
handout with the description, my
background, even more description.
(35:39):
I was going to talk about
that real quick with you.
And then the rules.
Anyway, next time.
What's that?
Oh, here we go.
It decided.
Yeah.
I'm
Tia was says, and then this is the
curriculum that I put all into.
I know teachers ever done that.
Nobody's ever talked to me about anything.
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And that's me.
This is black dragon breaking away
and saying, I'm going to do all the
things that weren't given to me.
And I'm going to strip away all
the nonsense and garbage that
I personally think is nonsense
and garbage and a waste of time.
And we'll get you killed.
Okay.
I say 90 percent of stuff on YouTube will
get you killed, because you always have
the other person give, moving with you.
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Nobody lets you do that!
Tie him up in a little
knot, like in a cartoon.
You mean, it's not choreographed?
No, I mean it's not even choreographed!
The person isn't even moving!
There's this girl, and
you can do all you want!
And no, life is movement.
And so it's a big, anyway, so I was
going to tell you the three, I wasn't
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even sure what I was going to call it,
the golden triangle or the platinum
triangle, but there's three pieces.
There's timing, distance, and angle.
That's all of life, but that
is close quarter combat.
And then what I call the evil part is
lag time, rigidity, and telegraphing.
And that's why normal
people move or don't move.
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Telegraphing is you're
supposed to go like this.
I'm going to hit you and then pull back.
You're
telling, you're telling
what's going to happen.
The interesting thing in Nguyen
Truong, if I can get in here, is
this is called asking hands, which I
don't believe that But asking hands
and from here, you just go forward.
So you're like you're feeding
something in from a forward position.
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Kendo is forward.
Like they're holding out the
shinai and really forward
and
Yeah.
And so it's called forward energy.
And weight shift.
That changed everything, right?
Then the telegraphing, even a
boxer, like a jab doesn't pull back.
It goes forward and then the
cross goes forward and the hook.
So it really is much closer.
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Actually, Bruce Lee's teacher, Iman,
told Lee to be aware of the western
boxer and the western wrestler.
Yeah.
And
what's interesting is mixed
martial arts now is boxing.
It's kicking, but really a lot of
hand and wrestling Brazilian jujitsu.
So those two things that he prophesized
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or knew is what's become really very close
to a lot of people think are close is self
defense, but even to me, it's not, it is.
I don't want to say anybody,
but it's not weapon training.
So even someone is different.
Weapon is different.
Yeah.
And bad people carry weapons.
Yes.
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That's just the truth.
Or a good person carries a weapon,
even like a tactical little flashlight
that I've been telling the class.
You don't want to carry a
knife or a club or whatever.
At least have a little flashlight
and you can flash someone in the
eyes, and it's really effective.
And then you can give them a little
hit with it and just even a flashlight,
a little crack with a flashlight.
And if you don't know anything, it
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hurts because you're using a weapon.
You're not using your, I don't think.
It's like that other person
would definitely not think that
would be a response, so it's like
putting power and it's taking
the power back really is what I
now I'm going to, you just led into,
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you read my mind, the middle connection
between the time, distance, and angle.
And then lag time.
A lot of people don't
know what lag time is.
It's just, if something happens and then
the time it takes for you to react to
it, By the time that happens, I would say
like a sucker punch, you're already hit.
So
you're completely unaware.
It's the unawareness world.
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Yeah.
little dog's sitting there,
hey sweetie.
And then,
And then rigidity is you freezing
up because you've never trained,
you don't know how to react,
you don't know how
to be relaxed.
And then telegraphing is, You think
you're going to have to pull back or
move back before moving forward to
gain power, and you don't have to.
And but the middle of
it is these three S's.
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And one is strength.
Strength isn't what you really
rely on, but strength is ability.
A lot of people don't realize strength
and power are two different things.
It's endurance.
How much can you keep your hands up?
You might have to keep your hands
or do something for a little while.
Ooh, I'm so tired.
I can't even throw three punches
because I have no endurance
means you have no strength.
And then the second one is speed.
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Speed is even more important
is to learn how to have speed
through flow and relaxation.
Speed is power.
Power is the ability to move something.
A lot of people don't
know that definition.
Power is movement, it's not anti gravity.
It's once it's done, then
how fast can I move forward?
So strength is my lifting my arm,
but how fast can I move my hand?
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That's power.
So it's two different ideas.
Then the last one you
brought up earlier, skill.
And skill, to me, is the word of control.
If you're skilled, you
can control the situation,
right?
But still should also be hidden.
There's no saying if you
know it, don't show it.
And if you show it, you don't know it.
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That's an old karate thing or martial art.
Yeah,
it's a good one because you can
almost smell a guy who's they got
their taekwondo shoes and they're
walking around and I saw a guy with a
dummy, and
he was like, oh, I'm a
walking billboard, and
don't stop
me, and I'll kick your ass.
Yeah, exactly.
But, I always play the dummy.
(41:21):
This is one of my topics and skills.
Is play almost like I don't know
anything, no one ever they go.
Oh you teach that instead of I
figured you teach that you're the way
you talk and you're acting you it's
like I always catch them off guard.
It's I know a little bit Or just
play the baby or play stupid.
it's a good act, especially in
(41:41):
a bad situation don't play it up
play it down play yourself down,
right?
Even like you said don't do
this Don't bring your hands up.
They teach this a lot in these new
schools And I'm like, I don't, that's a
whole nother story, but I don't believe
in it at all for multiple reasons.
And one reason is because you're giving
away something that I want to strike.
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So if you put it up for me, I was
like, Oh, now I can hit it or I
can cut it or I can strike it.
So don't present your weapon.
Don't present something.
And I also think it's aggressive.
Even when people say
this makes you calm down.
I don't like it.
I don't like someone putting
their hands in my face or up
or it's, I don't believe in it.
Just put, keep your hands low.
Speak, relax, keep your hands.
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It's part of kind of the
philosophy that I have.
So
everybody follows the same thing.
Oh, get your hands up and
then you can call them.
It's have you really
thought that one through?
The person is psycho.
They're not listening to you.
And they have, I always consider
someone has a little knife or something.
you don't want your hands cut.
You want, That space to
be open until you feel it.
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So
I don't believe in asking.
You're asking for trouble asking
hands to me as you're asking.
And yeah, I thought for so
long that is just nonchalant.
The students are standing there
and I go, that's combat position.
Go.
Yeah, there's no stance and I'm
going to get up and put your fist
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up and
goodness.
No.
Yeah.
React from nature.
React from your natural.
I'm at the grocery or at the
bank and something might happen.
Nothing usually ever does,
but God forbid it does.
You're coming from, you're not going to
put your hands up and into something.
Exactly.
Hey, look at me.
No, that takes away the surprise.
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Right?
So to
me, it's control, but
then it's one more layer.
It's stealth.
Skill means you're not showing
any of it until you do.
And it all should look unskilled.
Like you're just slapping
something down and slapping it.
And that's, and that, yeah,
just a one and a two strike.
That's it right there.
That's all I'm teaching right now.
And it's incredibly, you can do
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so much with just two movements.
Once you understand and you
relax, move through relaxation.
And that is the biggest piece,
the relaxing into because, yeah.
I'm like, Oh, it's like in the military,
they break you down to build you up.
It is a military thing in a sense.
It's civilian, it's I need to
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break these people's thinking down
and how all the misconceptions
And, but really from the body
to the mind and mind to the
body of just relaxing so much.
The first part of the class is just
opening up their shoulders and flowing.
And then I even get into really relaxed
movements that just look like this.
Oh, powerful.
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and you're putting your
hand in a position.
Like this.
And you're flowing the energy.
it is incredible.
But if you only do that and you never do
the marshals or loops, the combat side.
You're missing links.
If you don't hit a bag or you have
somebody swing something at you, so you
go, oh, timing and distance and angle.
so I had people in the first class
(44:54):
using focus mitts that we bought.
The city bought, I'm like,
we're gonna use them.
And the two things we use
the focus mitts and arm
Yeah.
Arm guard.
Because
believe in, and you can, I don't
wanna call it non-lethal, but you
can get a lot done without going.
Everyone thinks you's
gonna hit 'em in the face.
No, there's so many.
You can do a lot with the arms.
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Just knock a lot of pain and then
if it escalates you can go further.
But usually I just knock
people's arms down.
'cause when I was a paramedic, I've had
people attack me stuff and that was it.
It was over.
It was, you don't wanna do any,
nobody wants to hurt anybody.
But you have to have the ability in your
warriors because that's the mug side.
The warrior side is, but if I have to,
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and that people think it's one of
my four psychologies is I'm a bad
person because I don't want to hurt.
So I'd rather get hurt
or killed or whatever.
I'm like,
Yeah.
I don't know.
Nope.
Nope.
Nope.
Nope.
Sorry.
We're on the wrong planet, guys.
Yeah.
I don't think I, No.
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I agree.
And that truly is this, there's so
many words, but I'm really getting
into the space of the enlightened
warrior, the sacred warrior, the
zen warrior the necessary part,
the other part it's necessary.
To be able to act,
absolutely actually on the front
page and I'll read this to you there.
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it is,
but I have your personal
preparedness, protecting our
communities and empowering life.
So that's my motto.
And it's I'm trying to change.
If we change the, you change the
military, you change the heart and souls.
Yeah,
you know in mind you'll change things
and
that's what this is personal preparedness
(46:40):
right
when you're violent or you're preparing?
Yeah,
because I don't even explain it, you
know I wish I could but how important
it is and it's your responsibility.
it is
And it's fun, by the way.
Training is fun.
It tests your skills.
It moves you into a, you
become a better driver.
I have avoided a nasty accident
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where somebody got killed
because of this training.
Alertness, awareness, these are all
very important things for every facet.
Yes, that's what I'm saying.
This moves way beyond cracking someone
in the arm and hitting them in the head.
Exactly.
Or not, no, but it does.
It really is so much, a geometry,
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you start thinking differently.
It opens all these different,
it opens the glands.
Exactly.
Back to the gland.
You have to watch the
beginning and understand.
Someone thinks 9 1 1, yeah, maybe
you can do something about something,
you
know good Samaritan, the Samaritan,
and
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in life.
So it isn't about hurting,
it's the opposite.
It is protection and guardianship.
Yes exactly.
the real meaning of a warrior
energy, what emulate out into the world,
and you'll stop things from happening
and not as a, you're trying to put it
out there, but it's just out there.
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Things will change
because that's the monks.
I think one goes with the other.
I don't think you can just do one.
I think you were saying that too.
It's the right hand, but
you need the left hand.
They're both the same.
They're different ideas.
It's a harmonizing energy.
Yes.
And.
It's really such a hard
subject and people avoid it.
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Nobody wants to teach it.
Nobody wants to train in it.
I say nobody, again, small percentage
and I want people that are saying, look,
I'm teaching you something different.
This is about things that could
save your life in real life.
So if you're in Albuquerque,
please reach out to David.
How would they get in touch with you?
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They can go to, I have a website,
which is blackdragonmoderncombat.com
beautiful.
It's sensei@BlackDragonModernCombat.Com.
Awesome.
Yeah, and we will definitely
put all the details in the
write up and the description.
But David, thank you for sharing your
wisdom on both in the other episode,
Chinese herbs and wisdom, and then in
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this, combat wisdom because I think
again, we were basically the healer and
the warrior conversation, which I adore.
So thank you so much
Thank you.
I really appreciate it.
It's awesome being on the show.
Thank you.
Take care
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