April 21, 2025 • 55 mins
In this Disrupt Now Podcast episode, Natalie Viglione connects with the Amy Stein once more for a deep dive into the interconnectedness of all living things and the importance of healing, not just ourselves but our planet. Together, they explore topics that touch on healing, societal disconnection, and the power of community.
In this episode, listeners will traverse several profound themes including:
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The Interconnectedness of All Life
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Healing as a Collective Effort
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Rediscovering Ritual and Reverence
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Challenges of Modern Society
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Building Authentic Community
In the midst of chaos, this conversation serves as a reminder that the magick that once was is not truly lost. This perspective serves as a hopeful reminder of the resilience within this huge shift and the Divine Spirit within all of organic Living Creation.
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(00:02):
Welcome to the Disrupt Now Podcast.
This is Natalie Viglione, your host,
and this is season two, unlocking the
cosmic mysteries around New Earth magick.
My desires to bring conversations
that serve as cosmic medicine for
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all of the sacred souls that seek the
revealing of the magick and mystery.
Of the organic celestial energies, I
powerfully step in as a sacred vessel
for the cosmic mother, or as we can
say, the divine feminine energy rising.
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I walk an authentic dtic path of
primordial tradition, and I am here
to share wisdom and the highest
truth for the betterment of.
All beings, animals, minerals,
plant life, and all that is please
join me on this journey to explore
and awaken the magick again.
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Welcome back to another
Disrupt Now podcast episode.
I'm Natalie Viglione, your host, and I
am honored to have Amy Stein back again.
I said that she was coming back on
and now it's time for the second
episode that we did together.
Sort of, we recorded them sort of back
to back, but now I'm able to unleash
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the next one, which I'm excited about.
Just to share once again, Amy Stein is
really part of the same soul family.
I feel just so connected into her
spirit and in the energy she's
master herbalist and she works
with herbs and all the things just.
Like I do and it's just beautiful to
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connect with someone who feels so Deeply
about the earth, about humanity, about
the state of things, about the state
of health in this world and doing our
parts in as much that we possibly can
to assist because there's so much that
needs to be unlearned, which is exactly
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what we went over in the last episode.
And we talked about her book, which her,
the name of her book again is The Journey
of Unlearning to Regain Trust and Healing.
Amy and I, in this episode, really
dive into the fact that there are some
vital things that we need to see that's
happening in the earth and what's
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being reflected in the health and the
state of humanity and the animals.
We talk at depth about how, how we need
to really see the interconnectedness,
the oneness of all things so that
we can, it's like moving beyond the
physical and really beginning to see.
The energy and the oneness of all things,
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because then this can teach us to remember
the magick is what I would say, but you
know that what Amy and I talk about in
this episode is remembering the reality
that the state of health in the world
is is very much interconnected with the
state of health with the animals and
the plants and the trees and humans.
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Meaning the earth, the land, the soil.
And when we know about this
deep connection, then we can
begin to really see the true
essence of what healing means.
And how, when we heal ourselves, we
can actually help heal this earth.
Which, this earth needs support.
It's going through a very huge shift.
A very huge energetic shift.
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A very much upgrading of vibrations and
therefore we must match this intention
by doing that within our bodies.
And just to share once more and
if you would like to connect
with Amy, please go check her
site out at mindbodyspiritbreath.
com.
And just to share a little bit about Amy,
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Amy is Very much all about she's an, she's
a hypersensitive and she's an empath too.
So you can, again, we're
very similar in so many ways.
It's so amazing.
But Amy's mission is to educate and
empower others who are suffering with
physical, mental, or emotional health
issues by learning to reconnect with
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the innate intelligence of our bodies.
By looking to work with mother nature's
intelligence, rather than against it.
She believes we can be our own best
healers when we quiet the internal and
external noise in order to hear the
body's messages that's needed for healing.
And her approach is mind body
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spirit, which uses the power of
plants, energy medicine techniques,
and breath work to assist in
reconnecting you back to your body.
Thank you.
And I'm so grateful for
you watching this episode.
And again, please leave a review,
feedback, email us here at
Disrupt Now podcast, or you can,
you know, get in touch with Amy.
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Either way, we want to start conversation.
So let us know what you think of
the episode, and I hope you enjoy.
Welcome back to Disrupt Now Podcast.
I'm Natalie vi, and
today we have Amy Stein.
Amy, welcome back.
Thanks.
I'm excited to be here.
Here we talk about today,
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I know, let's see where we go.
Meandering down into the depths of places
and things that people don't really like
to talk about or shadow parts, right?
Shadow
that we, we wanna hide from because we
think there's no use there, but there's
actually a lot of value, which you and
I have discovered, not by choice, but.
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Life has taken a exactly
by, oh, well, well, let's
just, that's our journey.
Mm-hmm.
But yeah, it, you know, this.
Okay, so in our last one, you know,
we're obviously really digging
into the inversion around health
care or as my husband and I.
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Yeah.
Sick care or health don't care.
Oh, that's a good one.
I haven't heard that one.
Yeah, mark and I made
that one up actually.
It's a good one.
I think that was his.
He's a very, he's very punny.
So, yeah, so, digging into that, you
know, this other piece of everything
and why we're talking again.
Is because it's like, we're not
just talking about the vibrational
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layers of healing for us and
our, and ourselves and our body.
Like this is like our healing.
Is very much a healing.
The healing is very much required for
the earth and required for the animals,
required for the trees, you know?
So let's, let's dig into that a
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little bit and just this anchoring
into that insight that, that we're
all, I mean, as one connected.
Like, of course it's all connected, right?
Yeah.
But that's not something that in our
modern day society is talked about.
Right.
And it's not actually.
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Wanting to be discussed.
They want you on screen.
They want you disconnected from yourself.
Yeah, from, from community, from people.
'cause you heal in community.
They don't want you healing.
They want you to be dysregulated.
They want you to feel the chaos.
They want you to feel like you
have no choice and someone else
needs to tell you what to do.
And that's why we're taught
to look outside of ourselves
and not to turn within.
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Because the experiences you and I
have had with chronic illness, we knew
we needed to do something different.
We didn't know what that was.
We weren't taught about it, right?
So we had to find it our own way.
And both of us found plant medicine.
And so for me, I. Not being
raised religious, not really
being a spiritual person, I didn't
understand the idea of looking at
something bigger than me, right?
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Because we're taught, like, if
you can't see it, it's not real.
But I could see mother Nature, I
could see the trees, I could see
the animals, I could, you know,
watch the, the flowers grow.
I could watch my vegetables grow.
So that to me was a way to see something,
to witness something that was bigger
than me that I didn't necessarily create.
But that was actually part.
About this community that I was
living in, and I began to understand
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that there was so much wisdom there.
There was so much value
that I wasn't taught about.
And so I began to explore and work with
that to bring my body back into balance
because the body actually recognizes the
wisdom that exists in Mother Nature, less
positive restorative recovery attributes,
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not pharmaceuticals, not a screen.
Not as someone in a white lab coat.
So it was really important to
me to find ways to connect on a
greater level with Mother Earth.
I'd always gardened as a kid, right?
We grew up with vegetable garden.
I helped my parents with landscaping
and things like that, but I didn't
understand that there was so much there,
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and intelligence and innate wisdom
because we're not talked about it, right?
We don't do ritual in our society anymore.
It's a routine.
You have a routine, but there's no ritual.
There's no reverence for
these stages of life.
Like as women, when we get our period,
it's, oh, well now I have my period.
Right?
But like in indigenous societies, there's
a reverence, there's a celebration
when you become a woman, right?
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You go off with the other women, you, you
experience what it means to be a woman.
What your body could do.
That would how it could create.
Every month there's a beauty there.
We've lost that.
And now girls are getting their
period younger and younger and
younger because of the, you know,
amount of toxins we're exposed to.
And so it creates more of this imbalance
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and more of this disconnection between,
this is what my physical body is
doing and I don't like it, so I wanna
separate, I wanna dissociate from it.
How can I do that?
And that's what leads us to
chronic pain and chronic disease.
Nailed it, sister.
You used, it's so facet.
See, this is what I love about you.
You used two words.
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My favorite word, I have some big favorite
words that rarely are talked about.
One of them is reverence.
Mm. And this other aspect of ritual.
Mm-hmm.
You know, I, so I do, I this year
brought, brought through with a. Friend
of mine wheel of the year workshops.
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So tapping into the sacred energies,
there's eight, you know, there's
eight days now this has nothing to do.
This is non-denominational.
Mm-hmm.
But the problem is all of that wisdom
and innate intelligence of what that
was tapping into the planetary grid,
the organic grid, helping the earth
heal, using it these times for massive
inward transformation or growth,
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meaning physical like harvesting.
You know, vegetables and fields,
abundance, abundance, you know, and it's
been so purposefully destroyed, pouring
in by the picture, A cake, by the, yep.
By the religious, you know, dogmatic,
when I say that, I mean dogmatic
religions that created genocides killed.
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Mm-hmm.
You know, the true drew, you know, I
mean, there's just, I could go on and on.
Yeah.
But the interesting thing
is, what I have found is.
It is very difficult to actually
gain a wider involvement in these
because it's like life is too busy.
Mm-hmm.
I all honestly feel that all the
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dogma of all the aspects that we're
really talking about and talked
about in the other episode too.
Have poured so much on top of this
stuff that it's almost, people are
literally, I think many are afraid
that it's demonic or some bullshit
word like that, when in reality it is.
That's what we're trying to get to,
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is clear away all this nonsense and
get to this beauty that you mm-hmm.
That reverence, that pe that we used
to lived in Har, we lived in harmony.
Exactly.
And in connection.
Yeah.
And in community, right?
Like, I mean, I try to
foster this in my own living.
And when I talk to people in
one-on-ones and in workshops, I'm
like, find your community, right?
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Yeah.
Like Natalie and I met
years ago, and we've, we are
fostering this community now.
We didn't do it right away, but we're
fostering this community now because
we both feel the need to do it.
And it's about finding that connection
where you can heal those ancestral wounds.
When you can heal the
disconnection within you, right?
The disgust, the anger, the resentment,
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it, it will fester, it will feed on you.
But in community, you can heal that
in connection with other people.
You can heal that, and
as humans, that's needed.
But we've been segregated into this
independent ultra independence, you
know, value what's on the screen.
Value what you can
provide for somebody else.
And, and if they don't align with
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your values or think the way that
you think, then they're, they're not,
they have no value in your community.
Right?
Or they have no value in your world.
And this black and white
dualistic thinking is what's
gotten us to where we are now.
We're like our neighbors, our
enemy, or you know, like our, our
spouse is our enemy because they've,
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they cannot give us what we need.
They cannot feed us in what we need.
So we'll disconnect and
we'll be ultra independent.
We won't need anybody else.
And that thinking was actually
really harmful to the planet
as well as to yourself.
Because when we don't describe to.
Seeing the wisdom and the value and
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the beauty in the world around us.
All we say is the negative.
All we see is the kiddos.
All we see is the anger, the
resentment, the frustration, the evil
that exists when that makes for a
really depressing, bleak existence.
And I feel like we're in that right now.
We are.
It could probably get a lot worse,
but it feels pretty bad right now.
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It really does.
Like, I just wanna name that.
I just wanna name that I know, I know.
Me too.
And I guess that is part of the witnessing
some of us are here to do and some just
don't want to and some aren't able to,
able to,
and there's a difference, you know?
Mm-hmm.
So those of us, you know.
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I guess if I were to, I mean, we,
we can only go by, you know, trying
to give context to what that means.
You know, I would really say this is that
indigo quote unquote indigo quote unquote
starcy journey of this, this aspect of
like, you know, I, I always like to,
like a sacred warrior in its own right,
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that warrior healer lineage, because.
To be able to see and what hold
hold the things that we know in our
bodies and figure out that alchemical
magick, if you will, that's innate
that we can transmute and transform
through that processing all of that.
Is another layer to, I think what
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we've also taught, discussed of
this empathic, you know mm-hmm.
Hypersensitive aspects of the, of
some of our bodies that just are
like, yeah, I mean, it's a lot.
It's a
lot.
It's a lot.
Yeah.
It's a lot.
Right now we're just gonna say,
we're gonna name that we all feel it.
People with highly sensitive systems
like Natalie and I, we feel it to a,
a bigger degree, but even if you're
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not highly sensitive right now,
it's really hard not to feel it.
Right.
It's really hard not to.
Feel really hopeless or really
depressed or what's the point?
The anger.
Yeah.
What's the point, right?
Like what?
The anger, the frustration,
the, I don't matter, right?
My voice doesn't matter.
And, and that's why we're doing
this episode so people understand
that your voice does matter, even
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if it feels like no one can hear you
and you're speaking into the void.
Natalie and I have a lot of experience
with speaking into the void.
Most of our lives, we felt like we
were speaking into the void, right?
And so, but we didn't stop speaking.
We continue to speak even when it
feels like nobody is listening.
Someone's listening.
Yeah.
It's true.
So let's dig into that for a moment.
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Let's do some sharing and open.
See now this is another aspect that
I love about you because it's rare.
You know, I think a lot of humans
are still very, very, very afraid
of getting vulnerable and speaking.
There's like truths that we hold through
our gifts, but there's just this, these
innate truths of like, what's going on.
I. In our envir, in our, in our, in
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our beings at a, in a moment, you know?
And I feel like many people live in
a lot of fear to actually open that
up, crack that open and talk about it
because I, I kind of see that resistance
of like, what I oft what I'm hearing
lately is, oh no, well, it's meant to
be, everything is, you know, it's fine.
It's whatever.
And I'm like, oh.
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You talk about cognitive
dissonance and mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Detachment.
And that to me is, I feel that viscerally
it's an energy superficiality and
while on some level there's some
truth to it, what it's not digging
into is this core truth of and crack.
Again, cracking that open of like, true
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connection on that deeper level, like
we're talking about community and village.
Okay.
Mm-hmm.
Okay.
Back.
I know because I've remembered,
I've had visions of thousands and
thousands, many thousands of years ago.
What it was truly like when it, when you
were living in a timeline of harmony,
everyone came together to grief.
You did this openly, right?
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You didn't hide in a closet on the
floor underneath the dresser, you know?
Right.
Like right.
So everything was open, and that that
allows for actual real connection.
It was felt right.
It was experience like life
was felt and experienced.
And I feel like a lot of times
now we just watch life go by.
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We're not 'cause we're too afraid
to participate or we're too
afraid to speak our truth, right?
Yeah.
So we spiritually bypass it
'cause we don't wanna feel it.
We don't wanna feel the bad,
we wanna feel the good and.
Unfortunately, this is what
has led us to where we are.
Yeah.
Right.
Because you can't not
feel the good and the bad.
'cause you don't know the good
unless you experience the bad.
So if we're constantly like putting our
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head in the sand, everything is fine.
Let me just plow through, let me
just do the things on my to-do
list and everything will be fine.
Doesn't work that way.
Right?
Like it just doesn't,
doesn't move things along.
It actually keeps you stuck.
That energy, and that's
what I feel right now.
I feel a lot of that right now.
Me too, with people like, I'm
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gonna put my head in the sand.
I'm just gonna do what someone else
tells me to do because I can't, I don't
have the brain power, I don't have
the ability to do something different.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
It's too much right now, and I
understand that, but I can't do that.
I never could do that.
And that's why I got in trouble a lot in
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school 'cause I just couldn't do that.
Mm-hmm.
And yeah, I, in a lot of ways
it caused me a lot of pain.
Yeah.
But in a lot of ways
it was how I survived.
Yeah.
And it's really hard.
I mean, Natalie and I were talking
about this before we hit record.
And I are both in this grieving process
of witnessing people around us, whether
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that's loved ones, family, friends,
moving, like there are zombies, right?
Like just going through the motions,
doing the things because it's all
they're capable of doing right now.
And it's really hard for me to
watch that because even at my
sickest, I was still using my voice.
I was still.
Advocating for myself, I was
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still looking for answers.
I was still trying to fit the puzzle
pieces together, so it's really hard for
me to understand how you can not look
for the light at the end of the tunnel.
Look for the answer.
Look for the missing puzzle piece.
Trying to try to find a solution.
That feels a little bit more
aligned rather than this just numb
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disassociation of, I'm just gonna
take whatever comes and, you know.
Or you know, that other element too,
which I think is just, it's like a
piece of what you're saying also.
Mm-hmm.
It's when somebody is actually very
highly, you know, awakened and spiritual
and connected, but also choosing,
well, it's their sole contract.
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Well, it just is what it is.
Well, mm-hmm.
Well, whatever.
And that is, there's always next time.
Yeah.
And that is to me, see through my
consciousness and how I stream in here.
I, you know, this being looks at this
like, you know, this Everythingness
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says, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Maybe, maybe there's a little more
here that we can crack open that maybe,
you know, some of these things have
kept, see, this is exactly the problem.
Mm-hmm.
It's this it's, it's a dis, it's a. It's
a disconnection, but in a different way.
Yes.
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It's hard to put words around it.
I guess it
keeps you in compliance, right?
It's like, be the good girl.
Be the good daughter.
Be the good mom.
Be the good wife.
Be put on a good faith.
Right?
Pretend everything is fine.
Go, you know, and go about your business.
Just do, just do you.
Yeah, but the thing is, is when we
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do that, when we just go about our
business and pretend everything
is fine, we actually cause harm to
ourselves and to everyone around us
because we're not speaking our truth.
We're not letting people
know that we need help.
We're not letting people
know that I'm not okay.
Right.
I'm not okay.
I, I can't do this alone.
I don't have the ability to do it.
I'm feeling really de depress right now.
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I'm feeling really angry right now.
And that's what you get from community?
Yes, it is.
Like, it's that support, the real,
true community, immortal community.
Like not what, I don't
know, whatever we call this.
Purgatory or suburgatory as I call it,
that is, I, I can't even, you know,
this is the first time we've ever
lived in an environment like this.
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Mm-hmm.
It was either massive
city on top of each other.
Mm-hmm.
Or you know, and now we're go,
we're the next step is really rural.
Yeah.
And this in between.
I'm like, but nobody talks to each other.
It is like, you know, this very
in, it is this weird like, huh.
Like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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We've accepted this as like community.
Oh, oh my God.
Like that's been another
level I guess of, of seeing,
I think.
Yeah.
And I think that people do that because
they don't understand the value of real
community, because like you said, we
don't have that experience anymore.
Right.
Like for me, I never felt supported in my
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life throughout my whole health issues,
and I never felt what true support was.
So it was really hard when
someone met, met me with support.
I was like, what is that?
Mm-hmm.
It didn't feel comfortable.
I was like, what's going on?
When's the next shoe gonna drop?
Like, what are you saying?
Why are you saying things
that actually make sense?
Like, I don't like that.
What's going on?
Are you just pretending?
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And so we're, so I wanna,
what's the word I'm looking for?
Like, we're, we're so bereft in this real.
Genuine support, having our
needs met, that when it happens,
we're like, what the f was that?
Like what, what?
Like what happened right now?
What?
What's going on?
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It feels so foreign because we
walk around in a society that
your needs are all external.
It's all filled by things, right?
Yeah, like keeping up with the Joneses
and getting the new car and having the
big house and having all of the things
and the nice clothes and your nails done
and whatnot, that when we don't understand
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what like true support looks like, that
our emotional needs are met, right?
That our basic needs are met, that
we feel safe in our environment, we
feel supported in our environment.
Yeah.
Life would not then.
Derail us as much if we had true
connection, true support, true community.
Yeah.
You, yes.
And you know, so here's some
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interesting facts that is will really,
I think, lend to this, unfolding
conversation because what you just
said, it's like, the rootedness, right?
Mm-hmm.
Is now mm-hmm.
It's been so severed for
many thousands of years.
Right.
And what my husband, so there's
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a couple instances that happened.
So Hurricane Helene whipped
through and, you know, part
of very near us is devastated.
Gone.
Actually half of this town
is like, where did it go?
It's, it was under 22 feet of water.
The highest height of
water flooding ever seen.
Ever.
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Even there's an like an Asheville
flood in North Carolina, like in
19, oh, early 19 hundreds, whatever.
Right.
This, this far surpassed that because
it was like hundreds of miles, whatever.
So anyway, it was before
they kept records.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
So I thought it was, yeah.
But the two interesting things
happened in our neighborhood, which
is the oldest in our in where we're
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living the, some of the trees are
70 plus a hundred plus years old.
You know, these trees
are absolutely beautiful.
And then.
But a lot of them came down,
some on houses, some on cars.
I mean, it was a miss.
It was like you just walked right.
And disaster.
I mean, we were all protected,
but it was like disaster.
It was like, what in the, you know?
Yeah.
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But it was, it was the rainfall.
It was like all these.
Yeah.
All these things.
Yeah.
Perfect storm.
It was all perfect.
Storm really was.
And so he went around and he was
asking people, do you need help?
It was, he said, it was
like, people were like, what?
Like, what, what do you, you know?
Yeah.
So what you just were talking about.
Right.
He saw that visceral, right.
Because we got so activated to
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be like on it, like humanity.
Like, we need to help.
We need to assist.
Like, it was like fire, like abr,
a breath of divine, like mm-hmm.
Activation, like go.
You know, you're ready.
Mm-hmm.
That was the feeling that we got.
So it was just crazy, the reaction.
Mm-hmm.
Because I know, like you just
said, people are like, what?
(26:16):
What do you mean?
Right?
No, we don't need help.
They're probably gonna charge us.
They're probably gonna, you
know, who is this person?
They're gonna kill us.
Right.
They're gonna steal from us.
They're gonna, exactly.
So there's this fear like that
even though, I mean, my husband
doesn't, I mean, really, like,
you know, there's not like.
People's discernment is so
off in that way too, you know?
And then, but second to that, we were
(26:37):
walking around and we were looking at
these trees and we were like, holy shit.
Yeah.
What is wrong with the trees?
Yeah.
Let us just tell, tell you,
we have pictures and we're
gonna do a whole thing on this.
The trees are burnt radiated
from the inside out.
And the reason that they fell
is because they have no roots.
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Now you tell me, is that not got a mirror
of what's exactly happening with humanity?
That earth is humanity.
Humanity is earth living creation
is suffering the same way.
Yeah.
And we took pictures, it's abs,
it's, they were black inside
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and we were like, oh my God.
I haven't done, I haven't gone, I've,
we were just trying to hold that.
Yeah.
And we were kind of trying to talk to
some people about it, and they were, you
know, like blank stares, like, oh, okay.
Apparently we're the only ones
that are like, this is we're, this
is, this is, but we're seeing it.
You know, another thing that we had
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mentioned, we're seeing this in our
poor little baby and our animals.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
You know, our fur baby, this is
happening to them too, you know?
Liver problems, cancer, you know?
Right.
It's just exactly the same.
It's an epidemic
and we're so desensitized to it.
Right?
Like, oh, if I say the word cancer,
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you're gonna think of all the people
you know in your life of cancer.
That's not normal.
The we're desensitized to it.
Right.
Because that's, you know, oh, it's an age.
It's a disease of aging.
It's not, it's a disease
of a sick society.
It's a, it's a preventative disease,
cancer, it's and a lot of these
conditions are preventative, but
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because the way that we live now
in modern day society, it's become
normal and we're desensitized to it.
Right?
Like it's same thing with you.
If you watch a violent, I don't
watch violent movies, but a lot
of people are desensitized to it.
Like, I can't watch.
Those commercials that the A-S-P-C-A
puts out with the dogs that are
badly treated, like I can't watch
those, but other people, they would
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be desensitized to that because it's
the way that we live our lives now
and that there's a hierarchy, right?
Like animals are below humans and that's
not the way that Mother Nature operates.
And because humans live this way, this is
why we're seeing all these issues with.
Massive amounts of die off of
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animals and species and plants.
I mean bees.
If you don't have bees,
you don't have food.
People don't understand that
like, I don't know about you,
but I'm not gonna eat fake meat.
I'm not gonna eat fake food.
Like, that's not my, I know that, that my
body won't recognize that it's real food.
It's, it's filled with chemicals.
So like you have to see
the writing on the wall.
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Yeah.
People don't, and that's what's
really scary to me is that people
are just like, oh, this is normal.
Like this is not normal.
No, no, this is not normal.
This is what humans have done and
I'd like to believe this still.
That mother nature is resilient.
She will recover.
She will outlive humans.
I believe that still.
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But I don't know what that will look like.
Right.
I don't know what that will look like.
And so it makes me really sad that
people don't have the reverence anymore.
They don't have the appreciation,
they don't have the connection.
And that's when I talk to
people, like, get outside.
Just look at what's something that's
bigger than you, the reference
that was created without you.
I, I do this every day of like mm-hmm.
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It's an awareness, right?
Like the answers are not on the screen.
Mm-hmm.
No, they're not on the screen.
They're felt.
They're felt.
Yes.
Yeah.
It's within you and it's that
within you, that wisdom that exists.
There's also the same
wisdom mirrored in her.
Yep.
Yeah.
And when we don't have the appreciation
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and we don't have the respect
for it, you actually lose respect
and appreciation for each other.
Exactly.
Right.
And this is why we're
able to kill each other.
This is why we're able to, you
know, put that this person is
superior to this other person.
And you see this now clean out on the
world stage, I mean, for many, many
years.
Mm-hmm.
(30:54):
Mm-hmm.
Since.
1770. No, no, it was way
before that actually.
But here we're
for that.
I mean, but like it says, it's,
you know, history is, is cyclical.
It repeats itself if
you don't learn, right?
So like, when are we gonna learn?
What are we gonna learn?
Right?
How many, how many
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centuries have to go by?
How many thousands of years before people?
Decide to do something different, decide
to put this idea of real true community
ahead of ultra independence, right?
And, and that doesn't mean that
you don't care for your family.
You don't, you know, take care of
yourself, but it means that you
don't ascribe to this idea that you
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are better than somebody else or.
That you have more value
than somebody else.
Because in a true community, everybody
offers something to the table.
Right?
Everything, everyone brings something
to the table and it's, there is no
hierarchy of like, this is better
than that.
Exactly.
Yeah.
It's, it's an equal.
It know it's an equilibrium.
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It's what?
You know, the way that I've really, that
I've, when I receive visions of what that
feels like, what that looks like, yeah.
What I re, what my being, what that,
what my soul re truly remembers is this.
Mm-hmm.
This aspect of
you're the fir, you know, you as a
community, the first act level of
activation is supporting each other and,
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and assisting like immediately mm-hmm.
There's no questions asked.
Mm-hmm.
Right.
Then the second layer to that
is everyone has a unique way of
showing up and providing a gift.
Then those gifts are equally shared, and
it's like that mosaic that we're weaving
together, but the, the issue is that.
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You know, we're, we're, so I, I see this
trained, programmed behavior mm-hmm.
Of coming together to just
like chit chat or mm-hmm.
You know, there's no, where's that layer
of activation or, you know, wisdom sharing
or, you know, there's just a, a missing.
It's like this missing top
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layer, I guess is the point.
Mm-hmm.
And, you know, this has been
my unfortunate experience is
where's this layer up here mm-hmm.
That, that everything
can kind of hook into.
And that's missing still.
I haven't found it.
And it's unfortunate because, you know,
you, you know, that is, I mean, that
(33:23):
is like, I guess a next layer to it.
Again, I would So it's
unfolding, I guess, right?
Exactly.
There's more to
come.
There's more.
Yeah.
Yeah.
More to come.
It's just, you know, stay
tuned more to come part two.
You know, it's just like what we talked,
what we're talking about is this.
When you see that, when you know that,
when you feel that knowing what's
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possible and what's necessary, the
building that bridge to get to that.
I would say this is a
conscious a you know, this is
a Christ consciousness layer.
If I were to put it into my, you know,
words that I use often because that's a
unity layer and knowing what's possible
in that, but that there's such a far
(34:05):
bridge still needed to like connect them.
I, there's, after this hurricane, all
of this stuff, like we were talking
about, I, I just was like, I'm done.
I'm out.
I give, like, what I,
what do you, I
can't, you know, it's like
this feeling of Yeah, yeah.
No words.
Yeah, no words.
'cause you and I talked after
and we were both like no words.
(34:26):
No, I, yeah.
And, and you just, and it
just was like this feeling of,
I just don't, I don't know.
Mm-hmm.
How like.
If, you know, these bridges are
gonna, they take so long apparently,
to build, and I was just, I guess in
my soul, I was like really hoping.
Mm-hmm.
(34:46):
It would be faster.
Mm-hmm.
Because for me, for us, some
of us, it's been four years of
looking at things, going seriously.
This again.
Hello.
You know, this again?
Yeah.
So it feels we're back here again.
Yeah.
Okay.
So it feels extra long,
I guess, is my point.
It
does, you know, and I feel like, I
feel like the, how do I wanna say
this without sounding so, I feel
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like it's been extra intense the
last four years, but I feel like you
and I have been experiencing this.
Feeling for longer than that?
Oh yeah.
And I think, and that's what goes
back to like our first episode years
ago of the canaries in the coal mine.
Right?
Yeah.
And that when you have that
highly sensitive system, you are
(35:28):
attuned to things and energy.
Right?
Even if you can't see it, it's
not, it doesn't mean it's not real.
Everything is energy.
So you feel viscerally.
Yeah.
On a higher plane than most people.
So for you and I, we feel like we've
been on this thing for like 20 years.
Like when is it gonna, I want off the
(35:49):
marriage round of this thing, right?
Like, I'm done, I got my fill, it's
been 20 years, I wanna get off now.
Please let me off.
And it's really hard then to witness
other people who are just, just
got on the merry ground, right?
And it's kind of like.
Regardless, we all life is uncertain,
(36:11):
which no one, as a human wants to admit.
And as a built in safety mechanism,
we all wanna control things, right?
Like that's just the
way humans are designed.
And so I wanna control people's
experience so that it's easier for me.
Wholehearted gonna admit that, right?
Yeah.
Because I'm like, I'm sick of watching
this and I can't watch it anymore,
so I wanna control this so that you
actually catch up to where I'm at.
(36:33):
You can't do that.
And so it feels even more crunchy.
And I don't even think
crunchy is the word anymore.
Like we need to come up with
a new word about it because it
just feels so all consuming.
Yeah, and I, I talked about this
with my own, you know, I have my
own person to support me because I
couldn't do this work if I didn't.
And I said like, when is it gonna stop?
And she's like, I don't know.
(36:54):
And I was like, oh, I thought
you just have the answer.
Knowing she doesn't have the answer,
but like, you just want it to stop.
Right.
You just want the pain to stop.
You want the the grieving to stop,
but that's part of being human.
Yeah.
And it feels like you and I have, 'cause
we've been at this for a long time.
Yeah.
And so I wanna try to meet other
people who are just on the Merry Goro
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and let them know like, Hey, welcome.
Even though you and I wanna get off.
Right.
And that's not easy to do as a, as a human
with a sensitive system because I wanna
get off and I don't wanna do this anymore.
But at the same time, my time's not up.
And so I'm still here in this process.
Right.
And I think it's important to remind
people that it is a process, but
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sometimes it doesn't feel temporary.
Sometimes it feels like a
really, really, really long time.
Yeah.
And that gets to be here.
Like we can name that.
We, we can sit in that and have
that right, but then we have to
figure out how to continue on.
And that's what you and I are trying to
(37:55):
do for each other in this process of like.
So we're, as we're talking in this
podcast, we're also trying to like
help each other out, you know, process
this as we're doing it in live time.
So this is a definitely a unique
experience that you're listening to,
but I think it's really, it's like,
I think it's important for people to
understand, like, just because you
and I are having this conversation
(38:16):
doesn't mean we have it figured out.
Right?
We would love to say we do, no, we
would love to say this is the answer and
this is what you need to do, but that's
not, it's not what it is and, mm-hmm.
I think it's important to remember
that even when you're in the process
of like, oh, this really, really
sucks and I really don't wanna be here
anymore and this is no longer temporary
(38:37):
and I don't know what this is gonna
look like, but just to be here now.
Yeah.
But no one wants to really do that.
But when, again, when we choose to
not do that, we become even more
disconnected from that innate wisdom
from the community, from the support.
Because it may come in unexpected places.
Right.
So I'm gonna give a really quick example.
(38:59):
I hate going food shopping.
I like really hate it.
It gives me crazy anxiety.
I think it stems from the covid
thing of like, you know, seeing
empty shells for so long in New York.
And I, so I really don't enjoy doing
it and I get a lot of anxiety about it.
And yesterday I stopped at Whole Foods
for some things because I didn't wanna
go out next week with the election.
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And I was like, that music is really loud.
Like, why am why am I so
hypersensitive right now?
It must be because I'm on alert
because I don't wanna be at the store.
So I get out of the car and I see this
man in the parking lot and he has a violin
and a keyboard set up to like speakers,
and he's just sitting there playing this
beautiful classic music and I'm like, wow.
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He's, he's, I just got the
chills, like he's being here now.
He's making the best of what
he has, and he's giving gifts.
He doesn't know if it's gonna be well
received, but he's giving his gifts.
And I'm just like, wow, okay.
I mean, it's a reminder, right?
Like we always have these reminders
from the universe, but we're not
always paying attention to them.
And I was like, all right, I'm
gonna stop like belly aching because
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I'm able to go to full foods and
I'm unable to get what I need.
And I, you know, it's not so crowded and
I'm get listening to this person play
this beautiful music that I could not play
myself because I don't have that talent.
And I'm gonna just be here now with this.
And it's so a reminder that even if you
didn't cultivate that community, that
support, it can still be presented to you.
(40:21):
Yeah.
In really unexpected
places and unexpected ways.
Right.
In the parking lot of Whole Foods.
On a, on a Tuesday.
On a Tuesday at lunchtime.
Like if, that's really interesting.
Right?
Yeah.
And I would not have.
Normally been open to that.
I would've been like, sure, you go in the
parking lot, who do you think you are?
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You're trying to get money.
Like no one's to be
like, what are you doing?
I think the people on
the subway in Manhattan.
Yeah.
But I was able to stop and be like,
oh, look at you offering your gifts.
That's really powerful and I may not
be well received, but you know what?
That's really powerful that you were
able to do that today and be here now
with what's going on, and I'm, I'm gonna
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sit here and have reverence for that.
So it's finding those times of days
when it feels really unattainable
to have the reverence to sit
there and be like, you know what?
I'm gonna walk the neighborhood
with my husband and maybe
someone will wave back to me.
Maybe they'll meet my smile.
Maybe we won't have a conversation
because it's, you know, really
not a neighborly neighborhood.
(41:24):
But that's okay.
And I know that that was what I
needed right now to keep me going.
Right.
To support in my belief that.
This, this will keep going
regardless of what it will look like.
Even though I don't know,
and it's really uncertain.
The universe will keep
providing me something.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I just have to be open to it.
(41:45):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm totally like tearing up.
Sorry.
Smart.
I just like I the story of yesterday.
Yeah.
We miss that so much.
Right.
And that's why I go outside so
much because I feel like there's a
lot that still happens that I may
miss, but I always feel better.
(42:06):
I'm always more connected.
My system is always more
regulated when I go outside.
It's like, so there's, it's definitely
something to, it's not a nice
to have anymore.
It's like, yeah, it's a necessity.
Oh my God, I can't, I cannot
live a day without that.
It's not,
it could be raining and freezing.
I'm like outside anyway,
it doesn't matter.
And even if I don't wanna do
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it, right, like, so I ascribe
to this, I believe in it.
I talk about it all the time.
There are days where I'm like,
I don't wanna get off the couch.
I don't wanna go outside.
It's, it's cold, it's raining.
And I'm like, just do it.
You'll feel better.
Yeah.
And so we have to remind
ourselves of that, right?
Yeah.
And that's part of being
in support and community.
Like, I could do it for Natalie.
Natalie can do it for me.
Yeah.
Right.
I could do it for my neighbor and my
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neighbor can do it for somebody else.
Right.
And so.
It is offering these really
small, they seem really small.
They do, but they're huge.
Right.
But they're huge and you can add them
up and, and be like, you know what?
That made a big difference.
Even though I didn't wanna get off
the couch, even though I didn't wanna
go to Whole Foods, I was like, I
don't really wanna go to Whole Foods.
I hate going Whole Foods.
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And I did it anyway because I was like.
I don't wanna go next week.
Right?
Like you bargain, it's
a bargaining, right?
Like the lesser are the two evils.
And, but sometimes when we force ourselves
out of the comfort zone, we get a
personal concert by a stranger, right?
Mm-hmm.
That like makes us stop, right?
We get, we get a smile from someone in
(43:29):
the store who also needed that connection
Yeah.
To them.
You know, we never know what
someone is going through.
Yeah.
We never know what they're
actually experiencing.
And so if you.
And take that time to actually be here.
Now, in the moment, you can
offer somebody something that
you didn't even know they needed.
That's true support.
That's building community and
(43:51):
it's not like a how to book
an extraction manual bit.
It's just like this is being a
human and living in connection
because this is what all humans
need, and it's bringing that back.
It's restoring that process.
It's building the community again, it's.
It's remembering what it feels
like to be truly supported, because
it is a really foreign feeling.
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It's remembering what it feels
like to give gifts without the
needing something in return, right?
Like to just give freely of
yourself without having to, what
am I gonna get back for this?
Am I gonna be compensated for this?
Is this gonna be met in a way that I need?
And I think that's really needed.
Yeah, never right now, right?
(44:31):
Yeah.
I put out a video not so long ago about
what I, you know, if I were to put words
to this, you know, from what I feel
coming through is this compassion that
is just like, it's humanity actually.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
It includes reverence, it includes
altruism, it includes this, service
(44:52):
to others that has no, and what
I talked about was this exactly.
This, this no attachment.
Yeah.
There are no angles here.
There are no angles and there is
no, it's like, we disappear and then
it's just connection, but mm-hmm.
That has been turned against
us too, because when there's
also the martyr aspect and the.
(45:13):
The mm-hmm.
No boundaries and the people pleaser.
So there's an mm-hmm.
Inversion of that energy.
Mm-hmm.
But there's also balance in it.
In a harmony.
There's a harmony to it.
If we disappear for when we're,
when ev, when others need lots
of help, and then we come back.
You know, so it's like, and when I say
disappear, I guess what I'm, I guess
(45:36):
I'm, I really, I'm really speaking
to the feeling and the visions in,
in that service that we, my husband
and I felt, which is this, we
disappear, we meld into the collective.
Mm-hmm.
We meld into this universal field of.
Unity and we're there to support and
then we come back into a solid form.
Mm-hmm.
Energetically, that that's what
we, what I felt through that.
(45:57):
Mm-hmm.
Through this.
And it was a ne it was a next level.
I feel like this, there's this, there's
this time of activation, the end of
September, moving into October, and I have
some cosmic and galactic things that take
took place to, to prove that, but Right.
Did what?
I think that why you and I are also
connecting in this way is because this
(46:19):
is coming through some of us in such
a profound inexplicable, although not
really way, that when we are at that
activation, when we're receiving that
activation and that and having that flow
through through us, it's truly seeing
everything in like almost a new light.
(46:42):
Yes.
Yes.
And that has been and I guess when
you, you know, this is why I'm so glad
we're connecting, like you said, we're
doing this for each other because when
you don't see it reflected or mirrored
exactly around
you, like Mark Dunno how to do
it, mark and I are looking at
each other like, what the fuck?
Like, yeah.
Are we missing?
Right.
Are we the weird ones,
(47:02):
like, what's going on?
Right.
Right.
And it, and it was truly the, I've
never experienced this bizarre.
No, that's not true.
But these moments where you feel
like you just dropped in and you're
like looking around going mm-hmm.
It's really weird.
It's a really, again, I, this
language is so li limiting.
(47:22):
I know it's, we need to just, I
kept the whole time, I'm like, what
do I, where is am I looking for?
I don't have them.
But it feels I guess in that energy, in
that, that that feeling coming through,
it almost isolates you further in a way.
Yes.
Because there are some that will
really, will c will see the light,
(47:43):
see that and be like ISI see.
And I feel that how can we also, I. Right.
And meets you right and meet you and
you're not always gonna be in the
same location, which I think is also
the most difficult part, I guess
when, you know, when we hold the
visions of what true village means.
Right.
And that just isn't happening
in our region either, you know?
(48:04):
No, I mean, it is and it isn't.
It's just very weird.
It's very weird.
And I guess that is
another aspect to this all.
Yeah, I think it's an
evolution too, because.
You know, you and I can have
these conversations, right.
And like your assistant lives around
on the other part of the world, and
we can still build community with each
other without having to live localized.
(48:25):
Yeah.
But the traditional sense of community,
we all think of like, you live in a
village, you live in the same place.
Everybody's the same thing.
But I've tried to cultivate and
foster this idea of community
that doesn't have to be liminal.
Exactly.
Doesn't have to be you
live in the next town.
It's that.
I have people that I know in certain
areas that are good at, really good at
certain things that I'm not great at.
(48:47):
And so I'm going to trust and
give them the support so that they
can hold space and offer their
gift to build in my community.
And I think that's a weird experience
for some people because like you
said, the people pleasing, the ultra
independence and codependency thinking.
You, you should do it all yourself,
(49:07):
competition, and the that kind of
crap, which also Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Right, right, right.
Exactly.
That's who
mm-hmm.
Like,
and so I feeling,
I think
Yeah.
Rather than being consumed by the
collective of the, all of those things.
Right.
Yeah.
And again, we could not be, we could
try to say there's positives to those
and not be dualistic about it, but
I think it's important to define
(49:30):
it the way that feels best to you.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
And it feels manageable like that
you're able to build community.
What does that look like for you?
Could look completely different than what
Natalie and I think is community, right?
And that doesn't make it bad.
It doesn't make it wrong.
It doesn't make it right.
It's what's gonna work for you.
And that's the same thing with healing.
(49:50):
Like there is no one size
t-shirt that fits all.
It looks different for everybody.
But there could be beauty in
that too, because you have gifts.
I don't have.
Natalie has gifts that I don't have,
and the person that was playing the
music in Whole Foods, parking lot
has gifts I certainly don't have.
Right?
And so, right, like, so that's the beauty
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of that is that rather than melting into
the collective and conforming to what
everyone else is doing, use your gifts.
Use your voice, even if you
just have your voice right now.
That's a gift.
It is.
That's a gift.
Tell your story.
Be vulnerable the way Natalie
and I are being vulnerable.
You know, stand up for
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what you believe in.
Exactly,
exactly.
Well, this was a very beautiful
conversation and you know, I think there
is a, another aspect to this, you know,
well, let's talk about your book again.
Hmm.
And
you know, the, what I just was thinking,
and maybe we can kind of make, wrap
this as our kind of final notes but
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there's like that melding mm-hmm.
To serve mm-hmm.
And a melding to be invisible.
Mm. And it's the second one, the latter.
That is actually the one that
has got us to where we are today.
Yeah.
It's that conformity of change is
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bad and different is bad, and this is
quackery and this is not real medicine.
This is not real science.
Right.
Fake news, all of that.
Those are all the terms
we're familiar with now.
But that.
Process of, there's one
answer for everybody.
For everything is why we're
in the position we're in now.
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And so the book that I wrote is called
The Journey of Unlearning to Gain Trust
and Healing because it's a process of
unlearning everything you thought you knew
about sickness and health and about life.
To gain that insight, to connect back
to that neat wisdom that within you and
Mother Nature to find the answers there.
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Not outside of you, not on the
tv, not on the screen, not in a
newspaper, not in someone in a
lab coat telling you what's best.
Not in group think right, but in
what actually feels right in your
system, that's gonna take some time.
Because if we live in a society
where we're disconnected from our
internal wisdom, yeah, we're taught
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to always look outside of ourselves.
So it's gonna take some time.
It's gonna feel really funny.
It's gonna feel really different.
It's gonna feel weird.
That's normal, right?
Like it all gets to be here.
But it's really important regardless if
you're, if you're sick or not, regardless
if you're feeling the chaos right now or
not, regardless if you've been affected
by a natural disaster recently, and if
seeing your whole world crumble wherever
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you are right now, there is a portion of
your life that you can unlearn everything
that you thought you need to be true
and be open to learning something new.
To build a community to
find that true support.
To find that connection to
tether you to your root.
What does that look like?
Yeah.
I love that.
And I love you.
This was good.
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This was good.
Thank you so much for sharing your wisdom
and allowing us to kind of get into these
steps because it truly has been thick
and heavy energy a little immovable.
Mm. In many ways.
And so, you know, these are, and,
and the interesting thing is like,
just because there are certain people
affected greatly meaning mm-hmm.
(53:23):
Oh hi.
Everything that they ever had is now gone.
It's gone.
So, even if somebody isn't the
out, obviously the energy is
happening is, you can feel it.
Right.
Oh yeah.
It, it's, it affects everybody.
It affects everything, even our animals.
It's all, if you've noticed, your
animals are acting a little different.
Mm-hmm.
You know?
Mm-hmm.
Weird things happening.
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Like you don't think that they feel it.
Oh my god, they are.
Mm-hmm.
They are empaths time a
thou times a thousand.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Dogs especially, so.
You know?
Yeah, yeah.
I think I just wanna say
one thing really fast.
So, Asia Soer, who's an herbalist,
who lives outside of Asheville and,
and lost her apothecary and lost most
of her town she sent out an email
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today, you know, with the veils being
thin and the chaos of the modern day
world and the election coming up.
She talks about things are not lost.
They're in the other world
or
otherworldly.
I think that's an important
distinction to make that even
if everything feels lost, right.
When Natalie and I were at our
sickest, when I thought I was
dying, everything felt lost.
Yeah.
There's the other side of the coin.
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What is still here?
What and what can you still
feel, even if it's not in this,
this physical world anymore.
Mm-hmm.
Right.
What is on the other world,
the other worldly part?
The energy, because the energy does
not, you can't create or destroy it.
It just changes.
So that, that's what I'll leave you with
is my last, my last hurrah into this.
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Love it.
Perfect as ever.
Thank you very much.
Yes, thank you.
Thank you for being here.
Thanks for having me.
Thank you everyone for listening, and
until next time, which is definitely
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Welcome back to another
Disrupt Now podcast episode.
I'm Natalie Viglione, your host, and I
am honored to have Amy Stein back again.
I said that she was coming back on
and now it's time for the second
episode that we did together.
Sort of, we recorded them sort of back
to back, but now I'm able to unleash
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the next one, which I'm excited about.
Just to share once again, Amy Stein is
really part of the same soul family.
I feel just so connected into her
spirit and in the energy she's
master herbalist and she works
with herbs and all the things just.
Like I do and it's just beautiful to
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connect with someone who feels so Deeply
about the earth, about humanity, about
the state of things, about the state
of health in this world and doing our
parts in as much that we possibly can
to assist because there's so much that
needs to be unlearned, which is exactly
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what we went over in the last episode.
And we talked about her book, which her,
the name of her book again is The Journey
of Unlearning to Regain Trust and Healing.
Amy and I, in this episode, really
dive into the fact that there are some
vital things that we need to see that's
happening in the earth and what's
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being reflected in the health and the
state of humanity and the animals.
We talk at depth about how, how we need
to really see the interconnectedness,
the oneness of all things so that
we can, it's like moving beyond the
physical and really beginning to see.
The energy and the oneness of all things,
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because then this can teach us to remember
the magick is what I would say, but you
know that what Amy and I talk about in
this episode is remembering the reality
that the state of health in the world
is is very much interconnected with the
state of health with the animals and
the plants and the trees and humans.
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Meaning the earth, the land, the soil.
And when we know about this
deep connection, then we can
begin to really see the true
essence of what healing means.
And how, when we heal ourselves, we
can actually help heal this earth.
Which, this earth needs support.
It's going through a very huge shift.
A very huge energetic shift.
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A very much upgrading of vibrations and
therefore we must match this intention
by doing that within our bodies.
And just to share once more and
if you would like to connect
with Amy, please go check her
site out at mindbodyspiritbreath.
com.
And just to share a little bit about Amy,
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Amy is Very much all about she's an, she's
a hypersensitive and she's an empath too.
So you can, again, we're
very similar in so many ways.
It's so amazing.
But Amy's mission is to educate and
empower others who are suffering with
physical, mental, or emotional health
issues by learning to reconnect with
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the innate intelligence of our bodies.
By looking to work with mother nature's
intelligence, rather than against it.
She believes we can be our own best
healers when we quiet the internal and
external noise in order to hear the
body's messages that's needed for healing.
And her approach is mind body
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spirit, which uses the power of
plants, energy medicine techniques,
and breath work to assist in
reconnecting you back to your body.
Thank you.
And I'm so grateful for
you watching this episode.
And again, please leave a review,
feedback, email us here at
Disrupt Now podcast, or you can,
you know, get in touch with Amy.
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Either way, we want to start conversation.
So let us know what you think of
the episode, and I hope you enjoy.
Welcome back to Disrupt Now Podcast.
I'm Natalie vi, and
today we have Amy Stein.
Amy, welcome back.
Thanks.
I'm excited to be here.
Here we talk about today,
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I know, let's see where we go.
Meandering down into the depths of places
and things that people don't really like
to talk about or shadow parts, right?
Shadow
that we, we wanna hide from because we
think there's no use there, but there's
actually a lot of value, which you and
I have discovered, not by choice, but.
(05:46):
Life has taken a exactly
by, oh, well, well, let's
just, that's our journey.
Mm-hmm.
But yeah, it, you know, this.
Okay, so in our last one, you know,
we're obviously really digging
into the inversion around health
care or as my husband and I.
(06:08):
Yeah.
Sick care or health don't care.
Oh, that's a good one.
I haven't heard that one.
Yeah, mark and I made
that one up actually.
It's a good one.
I think that was his.
He's a very, he's very punny.
So, yeah, so, digging into that, you
know, this other piece of everything
and why we're talking again.
Is because it's like, we're not
just talking about the vibrational
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layers of healing for us and
our, and ourselves and our body.
Like this is like our healing.
Is very much a healing.
The healing is very much required for
the earth and required for the animals,
required for the trees, you know?
So let's, let's dig into that a
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little bit and just this anchoring
into that insight that, that we're
all, I mean, as one connected.
Like, of course it's all connected, right?
Yeah.
But that's not something that in our
modern day society is talked about.
Right.
And it's not actually.
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Wanting to be discussed.
They want you on screen.
They want you disconnected from yourself.
Yeah, from, from community, from people.
'cause you heal in community.
They don't want you healing.
They want you to be dysregulated.
They want you to feel the chaos.
They want you to feel like you
have no choice and someone else
needs to tell you what to do.
And that's why we're taught
to look outside of ourselves
and not to turn within.
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Because the experiences you and I
have had with chronic illness, we knew
we needed to do something different.
We didn't know what that was.
We weren't taught about it, right?
So we had to find it our own way.
And both of us found plant medicine.
And so for me, I. Not being
raised religious, not really
being a spiritual person, I didn't
understand the idea of looking at
something bigger than me, right?
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Because we're taught, like, if
you can't see it, it's not real.
But I could see mother Nature, I
could see the trees, I could see
the animals, I could, you know,
watch the, the flowers grow.
I could watch my vegetables grow.
So that to me was a way to see something,
to witness something that was bigger
than me that I didn't necessarily create.
But that was actually part.
About this community that I was
living in, and I began to understand
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that there was so much wisdom there.
There was so much value
that I wasn't taught about.
And so I began to explore and work with
that to bring my body back into balance
because the body actually recognizes the
wisdom that exists in Mother Nature, less
positive restorative recovery attributes,
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not pharmaceuticals, not a screen.
Not as someone in a white lab coat.
So it was really important to
me to find ways to connect on a
greater level with Mother Earth.
I'd always gardened as a kid, right?
We grew up with vegetable garden.
I helped my parents with landscaping
and things like that, but I didn't
understand that there was so much there,
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and intelligence and innate wisdom
because we're not talked about it, right?
We don't do ritual in our society anymore.
It's a routine.
You have a routine, but there's no ritual.
There's no reverence for
these stages of life.
Like as women, when we get our period,
it's, oh, well now I have my period.
Right?
But like in indigenous societies, there's
a reverence, there's a celebration
when you become a woman, right?
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You go off with the other women, you, you
experience what it means to be a woman.
What your body could do.
That would how it could create.
Every month there's a beauty there.
We've lost that.
And now girls are getting their
period younger and younger and
younger because of the, you know,
amount of toxins we're exposed to.
And so it creates more of this imbalance
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and more of this disconnection between,
this is what my physical body is
doing and I don't like it, so I wanna
separate, I wanna dissociate from it.
How can I do that?
And that's what leads us to
chronic pain and chronic disease.
Nailed it, sister.
You used, it's so facet.
See, this is what I love about you.
You used two words.
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My favorite word, I have some big favorite
words that rarely are talked about.
One of them is reverence.
Mm. And this other aspect of ritual.
Mm-hmm.
You know, I, so I do, I this year
brought, brought through with a. Friend
of mine wheel of the year workshops.
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So tapping into the sacred energies,
there's eight, you know, there's
eight days now this has nothing to do.
This is non-denominational.
Mm-hmm.
But the problem is all of that wisdom
and innate intelligence of what that
was tapping into the planetary grid,
the organic grid, helping the earth
heal, using it these times for massive
inward transformation or growth,
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meaning physical like harvesting.
You know, vegetables and fields,
abundance, abundance, you know, and it's
been so purposefully destroyed, pouring
in by the picture, A cake, by the, yep.
By the religious, you know, dogmatic,
when I say that, I mean dogmatic
religions that created genocides killed.
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Mm-hmm.
You know, the true drew, you know, I
mean, there's just, I could go on and on.
Yeah.
But the interesting thing
is, what I have found is.
It is very difficult to actually
gain a wider involvement in these
because it's like life is too busy.
Mm-hmm.
I all honestly feel that all the
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dogma of all the aspects that we're
really talking about and talked
about in the other episode too.
Have poured so much on top of this
stuff that it's almost, people are
literally, I think many are afraid
that it's demonic or some bullshit
word like that, when in reality it is.
That's what we're trying to get to,
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is clear away all this nonsense and
get to this beauty that you mm-hmm.
That reverence, that pe that we used
to lived in Har, we lived in harmony.
Exactly.
And in connection.
Yeah.
And in community, right?
Like, I mean, I try to
foster this in my own living.
And when I talk to people in
one-on-ones and in workshops, I'm
like, find your community, right?
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Yeah.
Like Natalie and I met
years ago, and we've, we are
fostering this community now.
We didn't do it right away, but we're
fostering this community now because
we both feel the need to do it.
And it's about finding that connection
where you can heal those ancestral wounds.
When you can heal the
disconnection within you, right?
The disgust, the anger, the resentment,
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it, it will fester, it will feed on you.
But in community, you can heal that
in connection with other people.
You can heal that, and
as humans, that's needed.
But we've been segregated into this
independent ultra independence, you
know, value what's on the screen.
Value what you can
provide for somebody else.
And, and if they don't align with
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your values or think the way that
you think, then they're, they're not,
they have no value in your community.
Right?
Or they have no value in your world.
And this black and white
dualistic thinking is what's
gotten us to where we are now.
We're like our neighbors, our
enemy, or you know, like our, our
spouse is our enemy because they've,
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they cannot give us what we need.
They cannot feed us in what we need.
So we'll disconnect and
we'll be ultra independent.
We won't need anybody else.
And that thinking was actually
really harmful to the planet
as well as to yourself.
Because when we don't describe to.
Seeing the wisdom and the value and
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the beauty in the world around us.
All we say is the negative.
All we see is the kiddos.
All we see is the anger, the
resentment, the frustration, the evil
that exists when that makes for a
really depressing, bleak existence.
And I feel like we're in that right now.
We are.
It could probably get a lot worse,
but it feels pretty bad right now.
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It really does.
Like, I just wanna name that.
I just wanna name that I know, I know.
Me too.
And I guess that is part of the witnessing
some of us are here to do and some just
don't want to and some aren't able to,
able to,
and there's a difference, you know?
Mm-hmm.
So those of us, you know.
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I guess if I were to, I mean, we,
we can only go by, you know, trying
to give context to what that means.
You know, I would really say this is that
indigo quote unquote indigo quote unquote
starcy journey of this, this aspect of
like, you know, I, I always like to,
like a sacred warrior in its own right,
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that warrior healer lineage, because.
To be able to see and what hold
hold the things that we know in our
bodies and figure out that alchemical
magick, if you will, that's innate
that we can transmute and transform
through that processing all of that.
Is another layer to, I think what
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we've also taught, discussed of
this empathic, you know mm-hmm.
Hypersensitive aspects of the, of
some of our bodies that just are
like, yeah, I mean, it's a lot.
It's a
lot.
It's a lot.
Yeah.
It's a lot.
Right now we're just gonna say,
we're gonna name that we all feel it.
People with highly sensitive systems
like Natalie and I, we feel it to a,
a bigger degree, but even if you're
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not highly sensitive right now,
it's really hard not to feel it.
Right.
It's really hard not to.
Feel really hopeless or really
depressed or what's the point?
The anger.
Yeah.
What's the point, right?
Like what?
The anger, the frustration,
the, I don't matter, right?
My voice doesn't matter.
And, and that's why we're doing
this episode so people understand
that your voice does matter, even
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if it feels like no one can hear you
and you're speaking into the void.
Natalie and I have a lot of experience
with speaking into the void.
Most of our lives, we felt like we
were speaking into the void, right?
And so, but we didn't stop speaking.
We continue to speak even when it
feels like nobody is listening.
Someone's listening.
Yeah.
It's true.
So let's dig into that for a moment.
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Let's do some sharing and open.
See now this is another aspect that
I love about you because it's rare.
You know, I think a lot of humans
are still very, very, very afraid
of getting vulnerable and speaking.
There's like truths that we hold through
our gifts, but there's just this, these
innate truths of like, what's going on.
I. In our envir, in our, in our, in
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our beings at a, in a moment, you know?
And I feel like many people live in
a lot of fear to actually open that
up, crack that open and talk about it
because I, I kind of see that resistance
of like, what I oft what I'm hearing
lately is, oh no, well, it's meant to
be, everything is, you know, it's fine.
It's whatever.
And I'm like, oh.
(16:50):
You talk about cognitive
dissonance and mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Detachment.
And that to me is, I feel that viscerally
it's an energy superficiality and
while on some level there's some
truth to it, what it's not digging
into is this core truth of and crack.
Again, cracking that open of like, true
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connection on that deeper level, like
we're talking about community and village.
Okay.
Mm-hmm.
Okay.
Back.
I know because I've remembered,
I've had visions of thousands and
thousands, many thousands of years ago.
What it was truly like when it, when you
were living in a timeline of harmony,
everyone came together to grief.
You did this openly, right?
(17:32):
You didn't hide in a closet on the
floor underneath the dresser, you know?
Right.
Like right.
So everything was open, and that that
allows for actual real connection.
It was felt right.
It was experience like life
was felt and experienced.
And I feel like a lot of times
now we just watch life go by.
(17:53):
We're not 'cause we're too afraid
to participate or we're too
afraid to speak our truth, right?
Yeah.
So we spiritually bypass it
'cause we don't wanna feel it.
We don't wanna feel the bad,
we wanna feel the good and.
Unfortunately, this is what
has led us to where we are.
Yeah.
Right.
Because you can't not
feel the good and the bad.
'cause you don't know the good
unless you experience the bad.
So if we're constantly like putting our
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head in the sand, everything is fine.
Let me just plow through, let me
just do the things on my to-do
list and everything will be fine.
Doesn't work that way.
Right?
Like it just doesn't,
doesn't move things along.
It actually keeps you stuck.
That energy, and that's
what I feel right now.
I feel a lot of that right now.
Me too, with people like, I'm
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gonna put my head in the sand.
I'm just gonna do what someone else
tells me to do because I can't, I don't
have the brain power, I don't have
the ability to do something different.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
It's too much right now, and I
understand that, but I can't do that.
I never could do that.
And that's why I got in trouble a lot in
(18:54):
school 'cause I just couldn't do that.
Mm-hmm.
And yeah, I, in a lot of ways
it caused me a lot of pain.
Yeah.
But in a lot of ways
it was how I survived.
Yeah.
And it's really hard.
I mean, Natalie and I were talking
about this before we hit record.
And I are both in this grieving process
of witnessing people around us, whether
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that's loved ones, family, friends,
moving, like there are zombies, right?
Like just going through the motions,
doing the things because it's all
they're capable of doing right now.
And it's really hard for me to
watch that because even at my
sickest, I was still using my voice.
I was still.
Advocating for myself, I was
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still looking for answers.
I was still trying to fit the puzzle
pieces together, so it's really hard for
me to understand how you can not look
for the light at the end of the tunnel.
Look for the answer.
Look for the missing puzzle piece.
Trying to try to find a solution.
That feels a little bit more
aligned rather than this just numb
(19:59):
disassociation of, I'm just gonna
take whatever comes and, you know.
Or you know, that other element too,
which I think is just, it's like a
piece of what you're saying also.
Mm-hmm.
It's when somebody is actually very
highly, you know, awakened and spiritual
and connected, but also choosing,
well, it's their sole contract.
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Well, it just is what it is.
Well, mm-hmm.
Well, whatever.
And that is, there's always next time.
Yeah.
And that is to me, see through my
consciousness and how I stream in here.
I, you know, this being looks at this
like, you know, this Everythingness
(20:41):
says, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Maybe, maybe there's a little more
here that we can crack open that maybe,
you know, some of these things have
kept, see, this is exactly the problem.
Mm-hmm.
It's this it's, it's a dis, it's a. It's
a disconnection, but in a different way.
Yes.
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It's hard to put words around it.
I guess it
keeps you in compliance, right?
It's like, be the good girl.
Be the good daughter.
Be the good mom.
Be the good wife.
Be put on a good faith.
Right?
Pretend everything is fine.
Go, you know, and go about your business.
Just do, just do you.
Yeah, but the thing is, is when we
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do that, when we just go about our
business and pretend everything
is fine, we actually cause harm to
ourselves and to everyone around us
because we're not speaking our truth.
We're not letting people
know that we need help.
We're not letting people
know that I'm not okay.
Right.
I'm not okay.
I, I can't do this alone.
I don't have the ability to do it.
I'm feeling really de depress right now.
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I'm feeling really angry right now.
And that's what you get from community?
Yes, it is.
Like, it's that support, the real,
true community, immortal community.
Like not what, I don't
know, whatever we call this.
Purgatory or suburgatory as I call it,
that is, I, I can't even, you know,
this is the first time we've ever
lived in an environment like this.
(22:06):
Mm-hmm.
It was either massive
city on top of each other.
Mm-hmm.
Or you know, and now we're go,
we're the next step is really rural.
Yeah.
And this in between.
I'm like, but nobody talks to each other.
It is like, you know, this very
in, it is this weird like, huh.
Like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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We've accepted this as like community.
Oh, oh my God.
Like that's been another
level I guess of, of seeing,
I think.
Yeah.
And I think that people do that because
they don't understand the value of real
community, because like you said, we
don't have that experience anymore.
Right.
Like for me, I never felt supported in my
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life throughout my whole health issues,
and I never felt what true support was.
So it was really hard when
someone met, met me with support.
I was like, what is that?
Mm-hmm.
It didn't feel comfortable.
I was like, what's going on?
When's the next shoe gonna drop?
Like, what are you saying?
Why are you saying things
that actually make sense?
Like, I don't like that.
What's going on?
Are you just pretending?
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And so we're, so I wanna,
what's the word I'm looking for?
Like, we're, we're so bereft in this real.
Genuine support, having our
needs met, that when it happens,
we're like, what the f was that?
Like what, what?
Like what happened right now?
What?
What's going on?
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It feels so foreign because we
walk around in a society that
your needs are all external.
It's all filled by things, right?
Yeah, like keeping up with the Joneses
and getting the new car and having the
big house and having all of the things
and the nice clothes and your nails done
and whatnot, that when we don't understand
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what like true support looks like, that
our emotional needs are met, right?
That our basic needs are met, that
we feel safe in our environment, we
feel supported in our environment.
Yeah.
Life would not then.
Derail us as much if we had true
connection, true support, true community.
Yeah.
You, yes.
And you know, so here's some
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interesting facts that is will really,
I think, lend to this, unfolding
conversation because what you just
said, it's like, the rootedness, right?
Mm-hmm.
Is now mm-hmm.
It's been so severed for
many thousands of years.
Right.
And what my husband, so there's
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a couple instances that happened.
So Hurricane Helene whipped
through and, you know, part
of very near us is devastated.
Gone.
Actually half of this town
is like, where did it go?
It's, it was under 22 feet of water.
The highest height of
water flooding ever seen.
Ever.
(24:53):
Even there's an like an Asheville
flood in North Carolina, like in
19, oh, early 19 hundreds, whatever.
Right.
This, this far surpassed that because
it was like hundreds of miles, whatever.
So anyway, it was before
they kept records.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
So I thought it was, yeah.
But the two interesting things
happened in our neighborhood, which
is the oldest in our in where we're
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living the, some of the trees are
70 plus a hundred plus years old.
You know, these trees
are absolutely beautiful.
And then.
But a lot of them came down,
some on houses, some on cars.
I mean, it was a miss.
It was like you just walked right.
And disaster.
I mean, we were all protected,
but it was like disaster.
It was like, what in the, you know?
Yeah.
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But it was, it was the rainfall.
It was like all these.
Yeah.
All these things.
Yeah.
Perfect storm.
It was all perfect.
Storm really was.
And so he went around and he was
asking people, do you need help?
It was, he said, it was
like, people were like, what?
Like, what, what do you, you know?
Yeah.
So what you just were talking about.
Right.
He saw that visceral, right.
Because we got so activated to
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be like on it, like humanity.
Like, we need to help.
We need to assist.
Like, it was like fire, like abr,
a breath of divine, like mm-hmm.
Activation, like go.
You know, you're ready.
Mm-hmm.
That was the feeling that we got.
So it was just crazy, the reaction.
Mm-hmm.
Because I know, like you just
said, people are like, what?
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What do you mean?
Right?
No, we don't need help.
They're probably gonna charge us.
They're probably gonna, you
know, who is this person?
They're gonna kill us.
Right.
They're gonna steal from us.
They're gonna, exactly.
So there's this fear like that
even though, I mean, my husband
doesn't, I mean, really, like,
you know, there's not like.
People's discernment is so
off in that way too, you know?
And then, but second to that, we were
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walking around and we were looking at
these trees and we were like, holy shit.
Yeah.
What is wrong with the trees?
Yeah.
Let us just tell, tell you,
we have pictures and we're
gonna do a whole thing on this.
The trees are burnt radiated
from the inside out.
And the reason that they fell
is because they have no roots.
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Now you tell me, is that not got a mirror
of what's exactly happening with humanity?
That earth is humanity.
Humanity is earth living creation
is suffering the same way.
Yeah.
And we took pictures, it's abs,
it's, they were black inside
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and we were like, oh my God.
I haven't done, I haven't gone, I've,
we were just trying to hold that.
Yeah.
And we were kind of trying to talk to
some people about it, and they were, you
know, like blank stares, like, oh, okay.
Apparently we're the only ones
that are like, this is we're, this
is, this is, but we're seeing it.
You know, another thing that we had
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mentioned, we're seeing this in our
poor little baby and our animals.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
You know, our fur baby, this is
happening to them too, you know?
Liver problems, cancer, you know?
Right.
It's just exactly the same.
It's an epidemic
and we're so desensitized to it.
Right?
Like, oh, if I say the word cancer,
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you're gonna think of all the people
you know in your life of cancer.
That's not normal.
The we're desensitized to it.
Right.
Because that's, you know, oh, it's an age.
It's a disease of aging.
It's not, it's a disease
of a sick society.
It's a, it's a preventative disease,
cancer, it's and a lot of these
conditions are preventative, but
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because the way that we live now
in modern day society, it's become
normal and we're desensitized to it.
Right?
Like it's same thing with you.
If you watch a violent, I don't
watch violent movies, but a lot
of people are desensitized to it.
Like, I can't watch.
Those commercials that the A-S-P-C-A
puts out with the dogs that are
badly treated, like I can't watch
those, but other people, they would
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be desensitized to that because it's
the way that we live our lives now
and that there's a hierarchy, right?
Like animals are below humans and that's
not the way that Mother Nature operates.
And because humans live this way, this is
why we're seeing all these issues with.
Massive amounts of die off of
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animals and species and plants.
I mean bees.
If you don't have bees,
you don't have food.
People don't understand that
like, I don't know about you,
but I'm not gonna eat fake meat.
I'm not gonna eat fake food.
Like, that's not my, I know that, that my
body won't recognize that it's real food.
It's, it's filled with chemicals.
So like you have to see
the writing on the wall.
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Yeah.
People don't, and that's what's
really scary to me is that people
are just like, oh, this is normal.
Like this is not normal.
No, no, this is not normal.
This is what humans have done and
I'd like to believe this still.
That mother nature is resilient.
She will recover.
She will outlive humans.
I believe that still.
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But I don't know what that will look like.
Right.
I don't know what that will look like.
And so it makes me really sad that
people don't have the reverence anymore.
They don't have the appreciation,
they don't have the connection.
And that's when I talk to
people, like, get outside.
Just look at what's something that's
bigger than you, the reference
that was created without you.
I, I do this every day of like mm-hmm.
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It's an awareness, right?
Like the answers are not on the screen.
Mm-hmm.
No, they're not on the screen.
They're felt.
They're felt.
Yes.
Yeah.
It's within you and it's that
within you, that wisdom that exists.
There's also the same
wisdom mirrored in her.
Yep.
Yeah.
And when we don't have the appreciation
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and we don't have the respect
for it, you actually lose respect
and appreciation for each other.
Exactly.
Right.
And this is why we're
able to kill each other.
This is why we're able to, you
know, put that this person is
superior to this other person.
And you see this now clean out on the
world stage, I mean, for many, many
years.
Mm-hmm.
(30:54):
Mm-hmm.
Since.
1770. No, no, it was way
before that actually.
But here we're
for that.
I mean, but like it says, it's,
you know, history is, is cyclical.
It repeats itself if
you don't learn, right?
So like, when are we gonna learn?
What are we gonna learn?
Right?
How many, how many
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centuries have to go by?
How many thousands of years before people?
Decide to do something different, decide
to put this idea of real true community
ahead of ultra independence, right?
And, and that doesn't mean that
you don't care for your family.
You don't, you know, take care of
yourself, but it means that you
don't ascribe to this idea that you
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are better than somebody else or.
That you have more value
than somebody else.
Because in a true community, everybody
offers something to the table.
Right?
Everything, everyone brings something
to the table and it's, there is no
hierarchy of like, this is better
than that.
Exactly.
Yeah.
It's, it's an equal.
It know it's an equilibrium.
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It's what?
You know, the way that I've really, that
I've, when I receive visions of what that
feels like, what that looks like, yeah.
What I re, what my being, what that,
what my soul re truly remembers is this.
Mm-hmm.
This aspect of
you're the fir, you know, you as a
community, the first act level of
activation is supporting each other and,
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and assisting like immediately mm-hmm.
There's no questions asked.
Mm-hmm.
Right.
Then the second layer to that
is everyone has a unique way of
showing up and providing a gift.
Then those gifts are equally shared, and
it's like that mosaic that we're weaving
together, but the, the issue is that.
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You know, we're, we're, so I, I see this
trained, programmed behavior mm-hmm.
Of coming together to just
like chit chat or mm-hmm.
You know, there's no, where's that layer
of activation or, you know, wisdom sharing
or, you know, there's just a, a missing.
It's like this missing top
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layer, I guess is the point.
Mm-hmm.
And, you know, this has been
my unfortunate experience is
where's this layer up here mm-hmm.
That, that everything
can kind of hook into.
And that's missing still.
I haven't found it.
And it's unfortunate because, you know,
you, you know, that is, I mean, that
(33:23):
is like, I guess a next layer to it.
Again, I would So it's
unfolding, I guess, right?
Exactly.
There's more to
come.
There's more.
Yeah.
Yeah.
More to come.
It's just, you know, stay
tuned more to come part two.
You know, it's just like what we talked,
what we're talking about is this.
When you see that, when you know that,
when you feel that knowing what's
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possible and what's necessary, the
building that bridge to get to that.
I would say this is a
conscious a you know, this is
a Christ consciousness layer.
If I were to put it into my, you know,
words that I use often because that's a
unity layer and knowing what's possible
in that, but that there's such a far
(34:05):
bridge still needed to like connect them.
I, there's, after this hurricane, all
of this stuff, like we were talking
about, I, I just was like, I'm done.
I'm out.
I give, like, what I,
what do you, I
can't, you know, it's like
this feeling of Yeah, yeah.
No words.
Yeah, no words.
'cause you and I talked after
and we were both like no words.
(34:26):
No, I, yeah.
And, and you just, and it
just was like this feeling of,
I just don't, I don't know.
Mm-hmm.
How like.
If, you know, these bridges are
gonna, they take so long apparently,
to build, and I was just, I guess in
my soul, I was like really hoping.
Mm-hmm.
(34:46):
It would be faster.
Mm-hmm.
Because for me, for us, some
of us, it's been four years of
looking at things, going seriously.
This again.
Hello.
You know, this again?
Yeah.
So it feels we're back here again.
Yeah.
Okay.
So it feels extra long,
I guess, is my point.
It
does, you know, and I feel like, I
feel like the, how do I wanna say
this without sounding so, I feel
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like it's been extra intense the
last four years, but I feel like you
and I have been experiencing this.
Feeling for longer than that?
Oh yeah.
And I think, and that's what goes
back to like our first episode years
ago of the canaries in the coal mine.
Right?
Yeah.
And that when you have that
highly sensitive system, you are
(35:28):
attuned to things and energy.
Right?
Even if you can't see it, it's
not, it doesn't mean it's not real.
Everything is energy.
So you feel viscerally.
Yeah.
On a higher plane than most people.
So for you and I, we feel like we've
been on this thing for like 20 years.
Like when is it gonna, I want off the
(35:49):
marriage round of this thing, right?
Like, I'm done, I got my fill, it's
been 20 years, I wanna get off now.
Please let me off.
And it's really hard then to witness
other people who are just, just
got on the merry ground, right?
And it's kind of like.
Regardless, we all life is uncertain,
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which no one, as a human wants to admit.
And as a built in safety mechanism,
we all wanna control things, right?
Like that's just the
way humans are designed.
And so I wanna control people's
experience so that it's easier for me.
Wholehearted gonna admit that, right?
Yeah.
Because I'm like, I'm sick of watching
this and I can't watch it anymore,
so I wanna control this so that you
actually catch up to where I'm at.
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You can't do that.
And so it feels even more crunchy.
And I don't even think
crunchy is the word anymore.
Like we need to come up with
a new word about it because it
just feels so all consuming.
Yeah, and I, I talked about this
with my own, you know, I have my
own person to support me because I
couldn't do this work if I didn't.
And I said like, when is it gonna stop?
And she's like, I don't know.
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And I was like, oh, I thought
you just have the answer.
Knowing she doesn't have the answer,
but like, you just want it to stop.
Right.
You just want the pain to stop.
You want the the grieving to stop,
but that's part of being human.
Yeah.
And it feels like you and I have, 'cause
we've been at this for a long time.
Yeah.
And so I wanna try to meet other
people who are just on the Merry Goro
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and let them know like, Hey, welcome.
Even though you and I wanna get off.
Right.
And that's not easy to do as a, as a human
with a sensitive system because I wanna
get off and I don't wanna do this anymore.
But at the same time, my time's not up.
And so I'm still here in this process.
Right.
And I think it's important to remind
people that it is a process, but
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sometimes it doesn't feel temporary.
Sometimes it feels like a
really, really, really long time.
Yeah.
And that gets to be here.
Like we can name that.
We, we can sit in that and have
that right, but then we have to
figure out how to continue on.
And that's what you and I are trying to
(37:55):
do for each other in this process of like.
So we're, as we're talking in this
podcast, we're also trying to like
help each other out, you know, process
this as we're doing it in live time.
So this is a definitely a unique
experience that you're listening to,
but I think it's really, it's like,
I think it's important for people to
understand, like, just because you
and I are having this conversation
(38:16):
doesn't mean we have it figured out.
Right?
We would love to say we do, no, we
would love to say this is the answer and
this is what you need to do, but that's
not, it's not what it is and, mm-hmm.
I think it's important to remember
that even when you're in the process
of like, oh, this really, really
sucks and I really don't wanna be here
anymore and this is no longer temporary
(38:37):
and I don't know what this is gonna
look like, but just to be here now.
Yeah.
But no one wants to really do that.
But when, again, when we choose to
not do that, we become even more
disconnected from that innate wisdom
from the community, from the support.
Because it may come in unexpected places.
Right.
So I'm gonna give a really quick example.
(38:59):
I hate going food shopping.
I like really hate it.
It gives me crazy anxiety.
I think it stems from the covid
thing of like, you know, seeing
empty shells for so long in New York.
And I, so I really don't enjoy doing
it and I get a lot of anxiety about it.
And yesterday I stopped at Whole Foods
for some things because I didn't wanna
go out next week with the election.
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And I was like, that music is really loud.
Like, why am why am I so
hypersensitive right now?
It must be because I'm on alert
because I don't wanna be at the store.
So I get out of the car and I see this
man in the parking lot and he has a violin
and a keyboard set up to like speakers,
and he's just sitting there playing this
beautiful classic music and I'm like, wow.
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He's, he's, I just got the
chills, like he's being here now.
He's making the best of what
he has, and he's giving gifts.
He doesn't know if it's gonna be well
received, but he's giving his gifts.
And I'm just like, wow, okay.
I mean, it's a reminder, right?
Like we always have these reminders
from the universe, but we're not
always paying attention to them.
And I was like, all right, I'm
gonna stop like belly aching because
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I'm able to go to full foods and
I'm unable to get what I need.
And I, you know, it's not so crowded and
I'm get listening to this person play
this beautiful music that I could not play
myself because I don't have that talent.
And I'm gonna just be here now with this.
And it's so a reminder that even if you
didn't cultivate that community, that
support, it can still be presented to you.
(40:21):
Yeah.
In really unexpected
places and unexpected ways.
Right.
In the parking lot of Whole Foods.
On a, on a Tuesday.
On a Tuesday at lunchtime.
Like if, that's really interesting.
Right?
Yeah.
And I would not have.
Normally been open to that.
I would've been like, sure, you go in the
parking lot, who do you think you are?
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You're trying to get money.
Like no one's to be
like, what are you doing?
I think the people on
the subway in Manhattan.
Yeah.
But I was able to stop and be like,
oh, look at you offering your gifts.
That's really powerful and I may not
be well received, but you know what?
That's really powerful that you were
able to do that today and be here now
with what's going on, and I'm, I'm gonna
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sit here and have reverence for that.
So it's finding those times of days
when it feels really unattainable
to have the reverence to sit
there and be like, you know what?
I'm gonna walk the neighborhood
with my husband and maybe
someone will wave back to me.
Maybe they'll meet my smile.
Maybe we won't have a conversation
because it's, you know, really
not a neighborly neighborhood.
(41:24):
But that's okay.
And I know that that was what I
needed right now to keep me going.
Right.
To support in my belief that.
This, this will keep going
regardless of what it will look like.
Even though I don't know,
and it's really uncertain.
The universe will keep
providing me something.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I just have to be open to it.
(41:45):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm totally like tearing up.
Sorry.
Smart.
I just like I the story of yesterday.
Yeah.
We miss that so much.
Right.
And that's why I go outside so
much because I feel like there's a
lot that still happens that I may
miss, but I always feel better.
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I'm always more connected.
My system is always more
regulated when I go outside.
It's like, so there's, it's definitely
something to, it's not a nice
to have anymore.
It's like, yeah, it's a necessity.
Oh my God, I can't, I cannot
live a day without that.
It's not,
it could be raining and freezing.
I'm like outside anyway,
it doesn't matter.
And even if I don't wanna do
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it, right, like, so I ascribe
to this, I believe in it.
I talk about it all the time.
There are days where I'm like,
I don't wanna get off the couch.
I don't wanna go outside.
It's, it's cold, it's raining.
And I'm like, just do it.
You'll feel better.
Yeah.
And so we have to remind
ourselves of that, right?
Yeah.
And that's part of being
in support and community.
Like, I could do it for Natalie.
Natalie can do it for me.
Yeah.
Right.
I could do it for my neighbor and my
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neighbor can do it for somebody else.
Right.
And so.
It is offering these really
small, they seem really small.
They do, but they're huge.
Right.
But they're huge and you can add them
up and, and be like, you know what?
That made a big difference.
Even though I didn't wanna get off
the couch, even though I didn't wanna
go to Whole Foods, I was like, I
don't really wanna go to Whole Foods.
I hate going Whole Foods.
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And I did it anyway because I was like.
I don't wanna go next week.
Right?
Like you bargain, it's
a bargaining, right?
Like the lesser are the two evils.
And, but sometimes when we force ourselves
out of the comfort zone, we get a
personal concert by a stranger, right?
Mm-hmm.
That like makes us stop, right?
We get, we get a smile from someone in
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the store who also needed that connection
Yeah.
To them.
You know, we never know what
someone is going through.
Yeah.
We never know what they're
actually experiencing.
And so if you.
And take that time to actually be here.
Now, in the moment, you can
offer somebody something that
you didn't even know they needed.
That's true support.
That's building community and
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it's not like a how to book
an extraction manual bit.
It's just like this is being a
human and living in connection
because this is what all humans
need, and it's bringing that back.
It's restoring that process.
It's building the community again, it's.
It's remembering what it feels
like to be truly supported, because
it is a really foreign feeling.
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It's remembering what it feels
like to give gifts without the
needing something in return, right?
Like to just give freely of
yourself without having to, what
am I gonna get back for this?
Am I gonna be compensated for this?
Is this gonna be met in a way that I need?
And I think that's really needed.
Yeah, never right now, right?
(44:31):
Yeah.
I put out a video not so long ago about
what I, you know, if I were to put words
to this, you know, from what I feel
coming through is this compassion that
is just like, it's humanity actually.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
It includes reverence, it includes
altruism, it includes this, service
(44:52):
to others that has no, and what
I talked about was this exactly.
This, this no attachment.
Yeah.
There are no angles here.
There are no angles and there is
no, it's like, we disappear and then
it's just connection, but mm-hmm.
That has been turned against
us too, because when there's
also the martyr aspect and the.
(45:13):
The mm-hmm.
No boundaries and the people pleaser.
So there's an mm-hmm.
Inversion of that energy.
Mm-hmm.
But there's also balance in it.
In a harmony.
There's a harmony to it.
If we disappear for when we're,
when ev, when others need lots
of help, and then we come back.
You know, so it's like, and when I say
disappear, I guess what I'm, I guess
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I'm, I really, I'm really speaking
to the feeling and the visions in,
in that service that we, my husband
and I felt, which is this, we
disappear, we meld into the collective.
Mm-hmm.
We meld into this universal field of.
Unity and we're there to support and
then we come back into a solid form.
Mm-hmm.
Energetically, that that's what
we, what I felt through that.
(45:57):
Mm-hmm.
Through this.
And it was a ne it was a next level.
I feel like this, there's this, there's
this time of activation, the end of
September, moving into October, and I have
some cosmic and galactic things that take
took place to, to prove that, but Right.
Did what?
I think that why you and I are also
connecting in this way is because this
(46:19):
is coming through some of us in such
a profound inexplicable, although not
really way, that when we are at that
activation, when we're receiving that
activation and that and having that flow
through through us, it's truly seeing
everything in like almost a new light.
(46:42):
Yes.
Yes.
And that has been and I guess when
you, you know, this is why I'm so glad
we're connecting, like you said, we're
doing this for each other because when
you don't see it reflected or mirrored
exactly around
you, like Mark Dunno how to do
it, mark and I are looking at
each other like, what the fuck?
Like, yeah.
Are we missing?
Right.
Are we the weird ones,
(47:02):
like, what's going on?
Right.
Right.
And it, and it was truly the, I've
never experienced this bizarre.
No, that's not true.
But these moments where you feel
like you just dropped in and you're
like looking around going mm-hmm.
It's really weird.
It's a really, again, I, this
language is so li limiting.
(47:22):
I know it's, we need to just, I
kept the whole time, I'm like, what
do I, where is am I looking for?
I don't have them.
But it feels I guess in that energy, in
that, that that feeling coming through,
it almost isolates you further in a way.
Yes.
Because there are some that will
really, will c will see the light,
(47:43):
see that and be like ISI see.
And I feel that how can we also, I. Right.
And meets you right and meet you and
you're not always gonna be in the
same location, which I think is also
the most difficult part, I guess
when, you know, when we hold the
visions of what true village means.
Right.
And that just isn't happening
in our region either, you know?
(48:04):
No, I mean, it is and it isn't.
It's just very weird.
It's very weird.
And I guess that is
another aspect to this all.
Yeah, I think it's an
evolution too, because.
You know, you and I can have
these conversations, right.
And like your assistant lives around
on the other part of the world, and
we can still build community with each
other without having to live localized.
(48:25):
Yeah.
But the traditional sense of community,
we all think of like, you live in a
village, you live in the same place.
Everybody's the same thing.
But I've tried to cultivate and
foster this idea of community
that doesn't have to be liminal.
Exactly.
Doesn't have to be you
live in the next town.
It's that.
I have people that I know in certain
areas that are good at, really good at
certain things that I'm not great at.
(48:47):
And so I'm going to trust and
give them the support so that they
can hold space and offer their
gift to build in my community.
And I think that's a weird experience
for some people because like you
said, the people pleasing, the ultra
independence and codependency thinking.
You, you should do it all yourself,
(49:07):
competition, and the that kind of
crap, which also Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Right, right, right.
Exactly.
That's who
mm-hmm.
Like,
and so I feeling,
I think
Yeah.
Rather than being consumed by the
collective of the, all of those things.
Right.
Yeah.
And again, we could not be, we could
try to say there's positives to those
and not be dualistic about it, but
I think it's important to define
(49:30):
it the way that feels best to you.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
And it feels manageable like that
you're able to build community.
What does that look like for you?
Could look completely different than what
Natalie and I think is community, right?
And that doesn't make it bad.
It doesn't make it wrong.
It doesn't make it right.
It's what's gonna work for you.
And that's the same thing with healing.
(49:50):
Like there is no one size
t-shirt that fits all.
It looks different for everybody.
But there could be beauty in
that too, because you have gifts.
I don't have.
Natalie has gifts that I don't have,
and the person that was playing the
music in Whole Foods, parking lot
has gifts I certainly don't have.
Right?
And so, right, like, so that's the beauty
(50:11):
of that is that rather than melting into
the collective and conforming to what
everyone else is doing, use your gifts.
Use your voice, even if you
just have your voice right now.
That's a gift.
It is.
That's a gift.
Tell your story.
Be vulnerable the way Natalie
and I are being vulnerable.
You know, stand up for
(50:31):
what you believe in.
Exactly,
exactly.
Well, this was a very beautiful
conversation and you know, I think there
is a, another aspect to this, you know,
well, let's talk about your book again.
Hmm.
And
you know, the, what I just was thinking,
and maybe we can kind of make, wrap
this as our kind of final notes but
(50:54):
there's like that melding mm-hmm.
To serve mm-hmm.
And a melding to be invisible.
Mm. And it's the second one, the latter.
That is actually the one that
has got us to where we are today.
Yeah.
It's that conformity of change is
(51:15):
bad and different is bad, and this is
quackery and this is not real medicine.
This is not real science.
Right.
Fake news, all of that.
Those are all the terms
we're familiar with now.
But that.
Process of, there's one
answer for everybody.
For everything is why we're
in the position we're in now.
(51:36):
And so the book that I wrote is called
The Journey of Unlearning to Gain Trust
and Healing because it's a process of
unlearning everything you thought you knew
about sickness and health and about life.
To gain that insight, to connect back
to that neat wisdom that within you and
Mother Nature to find the answers there.
(51:57):
Not outside of you, not on the
tv, not on the screen, not in a
newspaper, not in someone in a
lab coat telling you what's best.
Not in group think right, but in
what actually feels right in your
system, that's gonna take some time.
Because if we live in a society
where we're disconnected from our
internal wisdom, yeah, we're taught
(52:18):
to always look outside of ourselves.
So it's gonna take some time.
It's gonna feel really funny.
It's gonna feel really different.
It's gonna feel weird.
That's normal, right?
Like it all gets to be here.
But it's really important regardless if
you're, if you're sick or not, regardless
if you're feeling the chaos right now or
not, regardless if you've been affected
by a natural disaster recently, and if
seeing your whole world crumble wherever
(52:40):
you are right now, there is a portion of
your life that you can unlearn everything
that you thought you need to be true
and be open to learning something new.
To build a community to
find that true support.
To find that connection to
tether you to your root.
What does that look like?
Yeah.
I love that.
And I love you.
This was good.
(53:00):
This was good.
Thank you so much for sharing your wisdom
and allowing us to kind of get into these
steps because it truly has been thick
and heavy energy a little immovable.
Mm. In many ways.
And so, you know, these are, and,
and the interesting thing is like,
just because there are certain people
affected greatly meaning mm-hmm.
(53:23):
Oh hi.
Everything that they ever had is now gone.
It's gone.
So, even if somebody isn't the
out, obviously the energy is
happening is, you can feel it.
Right.
Oh yeah.
It, it's, it affects everybody.
It affects everything, even our animals.
It's all, if you've noticed, your
animals are acting a little different.
Mm-hmm.
You know?
Mm-hmm.
Weird things happening.
(53:43):
Like you don't think that they feel it.
Oh my god, they are.
Mm-hmm.
They are empaths time a
thou times a thousand.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Dogs especially, so.
You know?
Yeah, yeah.
I think I just wanna say
one thing really fast.
So, Asia Soer, who's an herbalist,
who lives outside of Asheville and,
and lost her apothecary and lost most
of her town she sent out an email
(54:03):
today, you know, with the veils being
thin and the chaos of the modern day
world and the election coming up.
She talks about things are not lost.
They're in the other world
or
otherworldly.
I think that's an important
distinction to make that even
if everything feels lost, right.
When Natalie and I were at our
sickest, when I thought I was
dying, everything felt lost.
Yeah.
There's the other side of the coin.
(54:25):
What is still here?
What and what can you still
feel, even if it's not in this,
this physical world anymore.
Mm-hmm.
Right.
What is on the other world,
the other worldly part?
The energy, because the energy does
not, you can't create or destroy it.
It just changes.
So that, that's what I'll leave you with
is my last, my last hurrah into this.
(54:46):
Love it.
Perfect as ever.
Thank you very much.
Yes, thank you.
Thank you for being here.
Thanks for having me.
Thank you everyone for listening, and
until next time, which is definitely
going to be, see you next time.
Thank you for listening to
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