September 12, 2025 • 52 mins
In this episode of Dr Judy WTF, Dr. Judy Rosenberg goes deep into one of the most pressing emotional crises of our time: the empathy void. When narcissism becomes normalized—both in interpersonal relationships and across wider culture—how do we even begin to heal? How do we rebuild connections that feel fractured, reclaim compassion that feels depleted, and create change that actually sticks? Join Dr. Judy as she:
- Explores what happens when empathy is stifled—individually, relationally, and societally
- Unpacks the psychology of narcissism: what it thrives on, how it spreads, and why it’s so hard to confront
- Discusses the emotional cost for people who long to feel seen and understood
- Offers tools to rekindle empathy in your life and community without getting lost or overwhelmed
- Looks at collective healing: small steps, big shifts, and what we can do together
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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so much for Jimmy Man, doctor g we Here, Doctor
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Speaker 2 (00:45):
T App, And today we're going to talk about the
empathy void. Can a narcissistic culture truly heal? Well? It's
it's interesting because today is nine to eleven and I'm
sure it's the funeral of Charlie Kirk, and I just
want to express my heart felt grief for what occurred yesterday.
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What a wonderful human being he was. What a loving,
courageous man for expressing his views, whether you agreed with
him or not. He was very open to hearing everybody's opinion.
And for him to be taken down in such a
brutal way is just exactly what we're going to be
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addressing today. The empathy void. What's going on in our society.
There's a huge empathy void. I'm trying to address it
through healing human disconnect, healing global disconnect. I guess I
can't do it alone, so I invite my audience to
join me and give me suggestions as to how to
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get the word out about a united humanity. And in
case you don't have my other website, it is Healing
Global disconnect dot com and the message is loud and
clear on that website. Please go there and read it.
I also updated my website, Psychological Healingcenter dot com and
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we've got some very cool images on there of the
mind map and the whole encoding, decoding, recoding process, so
do check that out. So, yeah, that is the problem.
We lack empathy. And wherever we lack empathy, we can
do whatever the heck we want. We can shoot people,
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we can do whatever. It doesn't matter because we're not
feeling it. So what's the missing here is the connection,
and on a global scale, the interconnection, because whether we
like it or not, we are all interconnected. So can
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we heal as a culture, as a society without empathy?
I don't think so. I really don't think so, because
you know, I've done so many videos on this power
and control versus love and intimacy, and if you're going
to lean into power and control, which sometimes we have
to because when we have an enemy trying to knock
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us down, then you know, I use the example of
somebody trying to get through my door and my grandson
is on the other side, Well, what am I going
to do? I'm going to save my grandson. And the
empathy is there in that I don't want to shoot
that person, but that person is inviting himself or herself
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to put themselves in harm way, in harm's way. So
that's a whole another story. But you know, again, it
boils down to we are interconnected. And when we get
to a place in in our consciousness where we realize
that to hurt another human being is really to hurt ourselves,
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that's when we will arrive. Okay, So what's happening on
a PTSD global scale A lot. Every time a person,
a wonderful person, an outspoken person such as Charlie Kirker,
anybody for that matter, who is on the right side
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of integrity and good character and honesty and truth and
and and and and and the light. Whenever anything happens
to a person like that, it threatens people who are
like that on some level. I mean, I'm sitting here
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and I'm I'm preaching global unity and I'm talking about
healing global disconnect and human disconnected. You know what, some
people don't like that. Some people don't want global connection,
they don't want interconnection. On the contrary, they want to
eliminate and isolate and become more isn't in there in
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their own way? So what do I mean by that
is if we take the mind map out and let's hey, Tony,
can you get on my website because I want to
show people this, Okay, I want to show them the process.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Is that the global healing global disconnect.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Well, okay, let's start with that and I could read
the message and then we'll go on my Psychological Healing
Center dot com, so you guys could see what I
am talking about here.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Let me connect to that. I can get that up
for sure.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Thank you, Okay, we're you. I appreciate it, and then
you know, we can have a discussion about it. Hopefully
somebody will call in or right in and we can
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dive into this matter of empathy and really cultural trauma,
which is what is going on and has always been
going on.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
We are every time something happens, we're globally.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Traumatized, okay, globally, and every time we try to heal
and something else opens up that wound, we get to
re experience it, and then the healing becomes almost impossible
because it's a constant violation of opening up the wound.
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Do you have that website? Healing globaldisconnect dot com.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Well that's because I'm trying to get it up. But
there's your psychological Well let's start there.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Okay, So if you can roll down and you could
show people the new website which is really putting a
lot of emphasis on the power of the mind map,
which I now can really attest to because I've been
doing it for a decade plus, much more than a
decade with stellar results, especially over traditional therapy where we
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don't get to the cause. And I want you to
scroll down if you can, and let's look at the
process and discuss the process, because since this is a
visual media, I get to show you visually the process.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Right here we go, roll down.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Okay, there it is encoding. So first of all, we
encode everything. We encode our first few years of life,
the way our parents neglect us, or esteem us, or
violate us in all kinds of ways. And so let's
show the process. Let's show encoding one, two, three, So
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you see that. Look, wounds of childhood? What are they?
Physical abuse, sexual abuse, emotional abuse and neglect, control, smothering,
narcissistic parenting. So those are the wounds of childhood. And
then they expand into cultural wounds, racism, any kind of ism, separationism,
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violence against other human beings, verbal violence, physical violence, sexual violence,
you name it, threat of death, actual shooting, bombing, you
name it. There are the wounds, and now we have
reactions to the wounds. And how do you like the images? Tony?
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I like it?
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Did you draw them?
Speaker 2 (08:46):
No? Actually, my yoga instructor came over and took a
picture of the mind map and he used AI to
generate these beautiful images. Okay, so thank you Brian for
generating these amazing images. And you know, I'm a storyteller.
So look, we're wounded. We're wounded emotionally, we're wounded culturally,
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we're wounded globally. And then what do we do We
react as babies, we fight, flee, freeze, and fawn. On
a global scale, what do we do we have PTSD
If people come back from wars, or people even they
watch the wars on TV and they're already traumatized. They
see blood, they see people being raped and murdered and
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so on, and so you know, look look at the
visual of it. It's almost like an open wound and
it just keeps reverberating and it's not healing, is it
not at all? So it's so painful that every time
something reactivates the reaction, it keeps going. It doesn't heal.
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It's like the wound that won't heal. And then as
a result of that, we encode messages. And these messages
are not always the greatest, like we can encode on
a global scale. Let's be paranoid. Let's hate certain factions
of people because they represent threat or a difference in
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philosophy or something like that. And so now we're encoding
all of the ways that we've tried to figure out
to not be wounded and react and have horrible reactions.
And then what happens is instead of protecting us, let's
follow the yellow brick road of the story, instead of
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protecting us with a good DNA strand that really is
in integrity and resonates, no, we now go into shambles.
So let's go look at the decoding process. So we
fall into decoding chaos, defenses and breakdowns. And so what
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does that chaos look like to you? You know, we
try to protect ourselves, but do we really I don't
think so. I think that we just get more and
more chaotic and panel four is a great description of
human disconnect. So you could see all of those bonds
are broken and disconnected to and they're pulsating and they're
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not in sync with each other, and there's discord, and
you can see the process of the discord, and then
what do we do? Okay, So as a result of
all this discord and lack of empathy, there is the
lack of empathy. Is anybody connected visually? It's a metaphor
for not at all, On the contrary, disconnected. And then
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when we're disconnected and in chaos, what do we do?
We double down and we protect ourselves further. And those
little bubbles that are turning and twirling represent isms. We
protect ourselves with defense mechanisms or we ism, meaning we
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divide into different cultures, religions, ideologies, philosophies. And that's not
necessarily that in and of itself, it's just horrible though
when we use one against another two panel number six,
that's where it all breaks down into a clash of
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the isms, which is the breakdown and hopefully the opportunity,
because everything's an opportunity. When we have isms, it's an
opportunity to use our isms to fortify ourselves and to
strengthen our individualism and to educate ourselves so that we're
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smarter and more empathicisms and more wisi isms. We can
go that way, or we could just be more defense
mechanisms and disconnect more and more from each other, finally
leading to such selfishness, such animosity toward each other because
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everybody now feels like a paranoid threat. And look at
panel number six, it's like the showdown there. It is
World War anything to do with violence, okay, the showdown.
So what creates a showdown is when somebody is triggered
by something, Right, they don't like what somebody says, or
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they don't like somebody's philosophy, or they don't like somebody's
color or religion or orientation or whatever it may be,
gives them fuel, if you see, it fuels them up
to attack instead of empathy and understanding and trying to
get to know one another and connect on levels of questioning,
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which is what deeply saddens me about the death of
Charlie Kirk. He didn't do that.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
He questioned people. He wanted to confront.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
People's opinions so he can expose different views and arrive
at the highest truth possible. So that's what I mean
by panel six. Could be an opportunity if you want
to do confrontation, fine, but you know, look what's happening
to our confronters. I'm a confronter, okay, I confront human disconnect.
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So some confronters are not appreciated because people would rather
backtrack into denial, which is panel number five defenses, and
live in chaos and not threaten their original core beliefs
in DNA blueprinting and deny the reactions and bury their
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heads about the childhood wounds. So you know, anytime you
expose truths, you're in a dangerous place. And I do
acknowledge that it's just that for me, it's the best
place in the world. Okay. So it's a duality. Expose
the truth and people can knock you down and annihilate
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or expose the truth and people can so benefit and
break through and be the cause of a better outcome,
not only for their own life, but for the lives
of others. So let's see what's possible when you turn
back on the empathy. So you can see that decoding
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is where we fall heart and clash and blow each
other up. Okay, let's go look at panel number seven
eight nine. So what's that. So we've got a paradigm shift. Wow,
big word, paradigm shift. Two words, big words. What is
a paradigm shift? A paradigm shift is a clear lens
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of perception. It's almost like looking through the eyes of God,
higher power, truth. Whatever you identify with as clear, unconditional, loving,
truthful lens of perception. Okay. And when I say unconditional love,
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I don't mean accept whatever is not healthy. I'm saying
that you look at things with a deep understanding, a
great wisdom, a great sense of knowing. And so when
you have that and those bubbles connect, See, those bubbles
are no longer clashing and crashing. They're dancing. That's why
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I think this image is so beautiful. They're dancing. They're
producing synergy. My favorite word one plus one is greater
than two. It produces the light. So every time people
get together and synergize and they create more than who
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they are alone, you get the light, okay. And the
light is empathy, and the light is sharing, and the
light is expensive and the light is connected back to truth. Okay.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
So do you see that without empathy.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
There's no dancing, there's no recoding, which is the healing panel.
So now let's look at what's possible. Once we interconnect
and we put our energies together and we become more
than who we are as an individual, then we can
build a new human and I'll call it a humane
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DNA strand. And this humane DNA strand considers the planet
because if you look at panel number eight, the planet
is clean. It's blue and green and healthy looking, and
it looks peaceful and unpolluted. The old panels look more
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heavy and toxic and toxic waste. And this is what's
possible because when we have empathy, not only do we
have empathy for the human race, we have empathy for
the planet. We have empathy for the earth. We don't
want to mess up our earth. We don't want to
hurt animals, we don't want to hurt our vegetation. We
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just don't want to hurt period. And how does that happen.
We have to feel connected. Okay, So if you look
at panel number eight, we can only heal by climbing
the evolutionary ladder, and for today's purposes, we'll call it
the ladder of empathy. The more we care, the more
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we share, the higher we climb. And you can notice
that the little people on the ladder, I know they're
hard to see, but there are actually little people on
the ladder, and the ones on the bottom rung are
being dragged up or they're being helped up, and the
one on top is helping up. And everybody's either helping
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or being helped. And that's how we are as a
human race. We either need to reach for help or
we are the help, and we've got a function in
both worlds. And when there's a lack of empathy, all
we really can care about is ourselves. And so we're
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not really plugged into helping others because we don't see
any value to ourselves about it, our selfishness about it.
Why why help others when we can help ourselves? And
that is a true disconnection from the concept of unity,
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united humanity, when it's a one way street, when we
don't see ourselves as interconnected and one human race. And
I've got to write the books. Somebody's got to give
me a good kick in the butt about this. I've
got to write my book healing.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
What's that?
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (20:45):
Thanks?
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Healing Global disconnect be the cause. Okay, it's important and
and and it's going to be challenging for me because
I don't I'm not I'm not a politician, and I'm
I want to write this as a politician. I'm considering
myself to be a connector and helping people to connect
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and stay connected. And I also realize that you can't
connect with certain individuals who have no empathy. Those are
not people to connect with. Okay, So don't read me wrong.
Don't think that we have to dance with the enemy. No,
And who is the enemy? Anybody that's not humane? Okay.
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Not the enemy is somebody that's a different color, or
different religion, or a different race or different anything. The
real enemy is inhumane consciousness. Does that make sense to
the people who are listening, I want to hear from you.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
Really, it definitely makes sense to me, and I do
I do have a question from a chat room person,
what if somebody thinks em I can say it, empathy
is a weakness of strength.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Well, it could be a weakness if you're empathizing with
a narcissist. Me and I've done so many shows about that.
And that's another thing, is that sometimes people's empathy, good heartedness,
good nature is used to milk thumb of narcissistic supply. Okay,
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so in that case, we're not in panel numbers seven,
which is the dancing panel. It looks more like a
vampire effect, which is where the light is being sucked
out of the EmPATH and the other one is growing
but not really only growing in selfishness. And so what
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was the question is that?
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Well, it just saying is because there are some leaders
that said I heard it saying empathy is a weakness.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Empathy without boundaries. Okay, you know, I can be as
empathic as ever, and I like my empathy. But if
somebody comes to hurt my dogs, right, let's put them
in there they're important, or my loved ones are not
doing the right thing, then I don't consider them a
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member of the humane race. Does that make sense? So
the distinction is not in, oh, the black person's here,
or the white person's here, the Jewish person's here, the
Muslim person's here, or the Christian person's here. The distinction
is what is their consciousness are, what's their intention? What
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are they bringing that's of the light?
Speaker 4 (23:53):
Okay, And that's you know, we're making a big mistake
in how we draw our divisional lines, and that's what's
getting us in big trouble.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
And we're doing it understandably because we're scared. So we
could just label all these kinds of people bad and
all those kinds of people good. But is every one
of those people that you label great really great? Or
is every one of those And you know, it is
true that certain cultures are nations or whatever have a
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national consciousness. Okay, that's true, and that's worth paying attention to.
So what is the intention of the people? That's really,
you know, interesting. And I know that goes into politics,
which I don't love because first of all, I'm not
very knowledgeable in that arena, although I watch lots and
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lots of YouTube, and some of the people that I
love to watch are people like Jordan Peterson. I think
he's a truth teller, Douglas Murray, I think he's an
amazing truth teller. I love to watch Charlie Kirk. I
love to watch Massa Hassan, who was the son of
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hamas a big truth teller, and people who actually jeopardize
themselves by telling the truth. Somebody is jeopardizing themselves to
tell the truth. You could probably believe them because you
know what's in it for them, unless they want lots
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and lots of pr which is always possible. But I
go back to the original. Let's put the mind map
back up again and do the corrective version, okay of
the mind map. So here it is panel one, the wound.
The wound is a place where the light enters. That's
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quote by Rumi. And when the light enters you, it's
supposed to soften your heart, isn't it. It's supposed even
when you're wounded, you're supposed to not only cry for yourself,
You're supposed to cry for people who are going through woundings.
If somebody has been abused, then you know they have choices.
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They can either side with the darkness and become abusive,
or they can develop empathy for abuse and become healers,
which is what I chose to do. And so every
single panel has the opportunity of the darkness and the light,
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and so you write your script even panel number two.
Do you have to be a reactor fight, flight, free
and fun? I mean sometimes you do. Sometimes you want
to get the hell out of the area. You Sometimes
you freeze because you don't know what to do. Sometimes
you retreat and fawn, and you know, there are all
kinds of postures we take. But in a perfect world
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with consciousness as causal, what we want to do is
we want to shut down our reactivity. And in that
place where we're going to do something reactive which we
might regret later, we stop. We take a pause, and
we pull back until we connect to the light and
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no more, and then act out of proaction and not reaction.
And I want to give the Kabbala information credit for this,
because I learned all of this proactivity and reactivity for
my studies of Kabbala. And then in panel number three,
we'll just go through it again so that I could
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really make my point. So instead of encoding all this toxicity,
do you see the toxic haze in the background, we
have the opportunity to confront our negative core beliefs and
to confront the state of the world, and to confront
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our own mental state and say, hey, I've been encoded
with misinformation and this is where it lies. Oh, negative
core belief, I'm not good enough. Misinformation, negative core belief
I shouldn't have even been born. Misinformation. Okay, so somehow
you have to pick through this stuff and acknowledge that
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you have been coded with misinformation. So the it's an
encoding gone wrong that creates a system gone wrong that
ends up in chaos and defenses and breakdowns. Okay, and
through this whole process, if you have empathy, the turnout
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is much different than if you don't. If you don't
have empathy, I guarantee you you're going to find yourself
sooner or later in panel number six break down if
you are operating out of the consciousness of interconnection and
desire to reveal truth and desire to connect two humane beings,
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and I'm going to leave out the inhumane because they're
not worth being connected to. They can be rehabilitated at
the most, but some of them can't be. You know,
I've been a psychologist long enough to know that there's
certain people that I haven't figured out how to turn
people like Jeffrey Dahmer around. I know he's not around
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and not my patient, but you know, if he were
on my couch, I don't know if I can do it.
People go too far to the evil side and they're
not amenable to see the light. They're just buried under
the darkness. So depending on how you choose to live
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your life, you can either go through wounds, reactions and coatings, chaos, defenses,
and then break down, or you can use the first
encodings of your life to say, wow, that really hurt.
I want to make a difference. I want to make
a difference to myself. I want to heal my wounds
and then leave a better outcome for myself and the
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next generation. And it's only through empathy, because look, apathy.
What's the difference between what's the opposite of love? Anybody
want to take a guess in the chat room?
Speaker 3 (31:01):
Repeat that one more time?
Speaker 2 (31:03):
What is the opposite of love?
Speaker 3 (31:10):
There's a little delay, but somebody just said hate.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
You know you think so right? Good, good guess, But
the opposite of love is actually apathy? Hmm, okay, I
hate you. I still have feelings for you, true, true
that it's true feels. They're not great feelings, but you
know I hate you, so you know there's juice there,
there's energy there, So maybe we could still work it out,
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because I don't think people want to remain in the
state of hate. But if I don't care, is your
modus operandi? The apathy button is now stuck in mode apathy.
There's no caring. I don't love, I don't hate, I
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don't feel. It doesn't matter. I can push the red button,
the yellow button, the green button, I can do whatever
doesn't matter, doesn't matter at all. And that's true narcissism.
But more than that, it's now sociopathy because there is
no caring at all. You know, it's almost like emotional numbness,
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or not only emotional numbness, but the empathy nerves have died.
There's no flow, just robotic, you know, killing weapons. So
how can a society heal when there's no feeling on
the other side? How can I be a healer to
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other people If I don't feel somewhat of their pain?
Can't do it? You know, I don't have to have
gone through exactly what they went through. But if I
can't feel some.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
Of it and I have no empathy, and I'm basically
a robot, and AI might as well just replace me,
because that's what's going to happen, right, psychotherapists are going
to be replaced with AI and everything is going to
be replaced.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
But I don't know. I'm not sure. I don't know
enough about AI. Do they really have feelings or they
only have programmed responses that look like feelings, because there's
a difference.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
A Doctor Judy, I have a question. I think this
is a really good one, it says doctor Judy. If
empathy requires us to understand another person's pain, then how
do we empathize with someone who is incapable of empathy
empathy themselves, like a narcissist? Is that a paradox that
makes true healing impossible?
Speaker 2 (33:55):
That is a great question, and I asked that of myself.
Am I required to feel sorry for narcissists? Am I
required to feel sorry for people who hurt and murder
and so on? Am I required to do that? And
I think I'm not required to care about somebody that
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doesn't have empathy, but I am required to care to
try to fix that. You know that's sad, right?
Speaker 4 (34:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (34:30):
Yeah? Yeah? So you know, as a human being, I'm
not going to waste a lot of time leading my
heart out over people who are cruel and evil. You know,
I'm reading a book Dracula brom Stoker has so interesting.
Never thought i'd read it, but I am, and it
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really truly talks about evil? Okay, as does A. Scott
Peck in his book People of the Life. I'm very
interested in evil. Do I empathize with Dracula, or at
least the character of Do I empathize with people who
are the guy that shot Charlie Kirk? Do I empathize
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with him? Not at all? No, I'm sorry, I don't,
That's the truth. Do I feel like I have a
human responsibility to heal people on a deep level so
that they don't become like that? Yes? Do I have
an understanding of Jeffrey Dahmer as a little boy who
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was neglected and the mother was on pills and the
father was always away, And yeah, I totally do, you know,
I totally do. But after a certain I guess a
critical mass point, Jeffrey Dahmer decided to hunt people down,
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lure them into his apartment, drug them up, and then
I think we know the rest. Right. So do I
have empathy?
Speaker 4 (36:07):
Now?
Speaker 2 (36:07):
I have disgusted. I have human disgust for that. But
I do have empathy for that soul that was originally
of the light, that was wounded so badly that became darkness.
And I haven't finished the book Dracula, but I bet
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that it'll come to that that the character Dracula must
have somehow, somehow he did one hundred and eighty degree
turn from being of the light to choosing darkness. So
that that's fascinating. But you know, I'm more on the
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preventative end. Let's make sure that our children don't end
up that paralyzed emotionally. Let's give them what doctor John
Bowlby talks about eye contacts, skin contact, love, nurture, and attention, achuvement, boundaries,
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all the stuff that makes us human. We need to
do that, and so that's where my energy goes to that.
Any other great questions in the chat room or anybody
want to call in and we can talk about this
is really leading me in the direction of join the
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human race, healing global disconnect. But please remember I do
not want to dance or interconnect with people who are evil. No,
thank you.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
Can I ask you a question and then we do
have another question in the chat room. But I was thinking,
where does forgiveness connect to empathy? Because you've seen these
parents where somebody killed their child and then in trial
when they got sentenced, the parent comes up will say,
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you know, I forgive you. Does that go with empathy
or is that something separate.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
Another great question, Thank you for that question. I think
that they're doing it for themselves to have some sort
of a peace of mind. And maybe they're so plugged
into the rottenness of the human race and how children
can go wrong and grow up to be murderers. And
then maybe you know, because I've seen a lot of
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those shows. I love true crime and I watch stuff
like that, and sometimes the murderer will actually reach out
to the family. They'll start expressing empathy, which then opens
the heart of the people who were the parents of
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the you know, of the person, the person that was killed.
And so I'm not saying that it's unhealable, Okay, It's
just that you really have to be you know, call
it whatever level. Some people call it Christ's consciousness, Buddha consciousness,
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God consciousness, whoever you want to identify with, if you're
able to. The way I look at it is forgiveness
must be earned. I don't give out free forgiveness chips
to people. You know, somebody did me, somebody robbed me
of money, and this has happened. I've lost a lot
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of money through people that I thought were my friends
and then turned out not so much. And so if
they want to reconnect with me again, they can't just
say sorry, you know, I mean, it would take a
long process to repair such damage, and you know, would
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start with giving back every single penny plus interest, and
then a true recognition and a truthfulness about why'd you
do that? And if I detected BS, then game over.
You know, no thanks. But if they were big enough
to say, you know, that was really jealous of you,
and I really wanted what you had and I didn't
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think I could ever get it, and now I realized
that what I did was absolutely disgusting, that person has
to come to the point within themselves where they hate
who they were being. Okay, So the murderer on death
row genuinely has to hate who he has been being.
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So in that case, they're rehabilitating themselves. Because you know,
in my book, I talk about the big eye and
the little eye, and the little eye is the compromise
e die, and the big eye is the best of
the best of us. And so the person who's a
reforming murderer, okay, or I guess they can't reform from
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murdering somebody, but they can reform their consciousness has to
really confront the evilness that lies within within. And it's
not just a confrontation from the victims saying, hey, you
really hurt me. I'm not going to penetrate. It's only
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when that person says, I hate the person I was.
I rechecked all philosophy, all consciousness of who I've been being,
and that's when it becomes possible, I think too, for
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them to start their own healing and for us to
have any level of empathy. You can even want this
In the courthouse, when the judge sees the the criminal
come in and the criminal is laughing. I've seen cases
like that. The kid is laughing at the mother who
lost her daughter and she's screaming at him, how could
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you do this to my daughter? You have you know,
you're you're, you're.
Speaker 4 (42:20):
You're so evil, you're and he's just laughing, laughing.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
And the judge sees this, and you know, maybe he
was going to give him like, uh, you know, forty
years in prison. Now he says, sorry, death penalty. Why
does that happen? Because the judge can see there's no
hope for this person. There's no hope. He's just beyond,
(42:49):
beyond prepare here, you know, laughing in the face of
a mother whose child he murdered. I don't know how
do he come back from that? So I think we're
as animals, as human intuitive beings. We can sense when
people have a little bit of a beating heart, a
little bit of remorse, of empathy, of regret of something.
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You know, there's got to be something there. It can't
just be sorry, you know, there's nothing in that sorry.
I remember I used to tease my grandson. He used
to do things that I got angry at. One day,
he dragged these blueberries out of my fridge and they
were all over the floor, and I said, Alexander, you've
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got to clean it up. He goes, you do it, Grandma.
Speaker 4 (43:41):
I said, look, I didn't spill him.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
I'll help you. Because he was only like three of
the time, so of course I was going to help him.
But I said, you have to, you have to take
some responsibility. So he says sorry, Grandma, and I looked
at him. I said, that is the most phony sorry
I've ever heard in my entire life. And he cracked
(44:05):
up because he knew I was right. And I said,
you know what the real sorry is, and he says, what, Oh,
clean it up. He got it. Okay. So there are
different levels of connect and disconnect, and if there's something there,
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then maybe it's healable. But if there's just a coldness,
an evilness, a sense of an impenetrable shell, and that's
what's happening in today's world people. That's why again I'm
referring back to Charlie Kirk, because he challenged people, have
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you ever heard of people changing their mind? You know,
I just don't see it. Oh I'm a Democrat. Oh
oh after talking to you, I'm now a Republican. Oh
I'm a Republican.
Speaker 4 (44:59):
Oh after talk talking to you, I'm now You know,
people don't change their mind that often.
Speaker 2 (45:04):
It really takes a lot. Do you notice that, Tony?
Speaker 3 (45:07):
Just like, oh, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
You know, once you're steeped in your own squat, then
you're going to justify why you think that way. But
you know, I don't love I love proof, But justification
is a different story. Justification is sort of like I
want to defend my ism. But to just have an
open conversation and talk truth and talk light. That's how
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we really know if we're in the light or if
we're just justifying and staying stuck just because so anyway,
I know we went around the band, but the topic
today was can we heal in a culture that lacks empathy?
And I go back to saying no, because you know,
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it's as subtle as this news reporter reports the story
and that's their job, but you know somebody is listening
to that report and they're being triggered. Okay, oh, little
Sally was raped to two pm at the school by
blah blah blah. Well the mother might be watching that.
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How could she heal every time she hears it? And
I'm not suggesting that we stop reporting, but there's got
to be a consciousness that everything that we're putting out
there in the universe is going to be somebody's trigger point,
and we just have to be very empathic about that,
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because that's what's happening now, just a bunch of you know,
turn on the news and you could get indirect PTSD.
Speaker 3 (46:57):
Doesn't matter what channel you turn on. It's it's it's hard.
I used to be a news junkie, but it's hard
for me to even turn on the news anymore.
Speaker 2 (47:08):
Yeah, sometimes you have to take a break from that stuff.
Speaker 3 (47:11):
So what somebody was asking about empathy for yourself?
Speaker 2 (47:18):
That's big.
Speaker 3 (47:19):
How does one begin that? Because I think it's sometimes
it's easier to forgive somebody else than yourself.
Speaker 2 (47:26):
Well, you know the question before about how do you
have empathy for people who lack empathy? I think that
the what do you do with that? So you know,
who do you forgive? I think you forgive yourself. I
forgive myself for entering into bad deals romantically, financially, spiritually,
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whatever level I've entered into very bad deals. You know
what's my crime? Probably positive project, which I've talked about,
which I assume the good in people without really doing
my homework and investigating. Probably because I like to trust people. However,
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trust without boundaries can lead to violations. So who do
you forgive yourself? Forgive firsus yourself. But you don't forgive
yourself until you've self reflected enough to know that you
won't do it again. You can't just forgive myself. No,
I forgive myself.
Speaker 4 (48:33):
Now.
Speaker 2 (48:33):
I know that I have to do my homework, and
now I know that I can't trust until I verify.
Now I know that I should put contracts together. Now
I know that I should get a better history on
the person, okay, because without doing that, you're just going
to be a repeat offender upon yourself or somebody else. Well,
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that's a really important step. And by the way, you
should get my book be the Couse Healing Human Disconnect
and coming up soon. I'm almost done with it. I'll
see if I could text it to you, Tony, Can
I text it to that number? Sure? Hold on, let
(49:18):
me see if I can find it. Okay, I will
see if I can find it. Okay, my new book.
I've always been into the stop smoking process. I wrote
(49:39):
two previous books on quitting smoking, and this is going
to be the last one. I promised there will be
no other books by doctor Judy Rosenberg on quitting smoking.
This is a deep dive into why people smoke and
how to stop smoking and how smoking fills the hole
in the soul. And it's going to be part of
(49:59):
the s stop smoking and then alcohol and all kinds
of different topics. So I wanted to give you a
little preview of it. It's not quite done yet, but
I might as well pre advertise it. This is not
what companies do right, right prequels. Okay, So if you
(50:20):
have that one.
Speaker 3 (50:21):
I'm just getting ready to download it right now.
Speaker 2 (50:24):
Yeah, thank you, And you could tell me what you
think about the cover, because I could still do stuff
with it.
Speaker 3 (50:33):
I love the chain, so let's see. Let me pull
this into my system.
Speaker 2 (50:40):
Thank you and that done.
Speaker 3 (50:48):
Hey, there you go.
Speaker 2 (50:49):
There it is out.
Speaker 3 (50:50):
If I like it, I love the color, and kick it.
Speaker 2 (50:54):
Kick it, stop smoking and be the cause of better
outcomes for your life. Culture key or gradual withdrawal. The
choice is yours. And this is a quitting Smoking is
not about willpower. It's you've got to look at what
is keeping you in psychological prison and look at the
(51:16):
hole in the soul and why you smoke. So this
is a deep dive into that plus turning off to smoking.
So for those of you who smoke, you can start
reaching out to me and hopefully I'll have this ready
in the next month or so. So with that said,
thank you everybody. Any other questions in the chat room.
Speaker 3 (51:39):
I think that was it, but it was a great
show and I think very timely.
Speaker 2 (51:45):
Thank you very much Tony for always being there for me.
And remember that even when you tell a story about
something horrible that happened, watch who you're telling it to
because you might be triggering the wrong person and you know,
just never gonna heal if we keep doing that. Amen, sister,
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all right, take care of everyone and and see you
next time. Good night, please
Speaker 4 (52:28):
He
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so much for Jimmy Man, doctor g we Here, Doctor
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Speaker 2 (00:45):
T App, And today we're going to talk about the
empathy void. Can a narcissistic culture truly heal? Well? It's
it's interesting because today is nine to eleven and I'm
sure it's the funeral of Charlie Kirk, and I just
want to express my heart felt grief for what occurred yesterday.
(01:09):
What a wonderful human being he was. What a loving,
courageous man for expressing his views, whether you agreed with
him or not. He was very open to hearing everybody's opinion.
And for him to be taken down in such a
brutal way is just exactly what we're going to be
(01:29):
addressing today. The empathy void. What's going on in our society.
There's a huge empathy void. I'm trying to address it
through healing human disconnect, healing global disconnect. I guess I
can't do it alone, so I invite my audience to
join me and give me suggestions as to how to
(01:51):
get the word out about a united humanity. And in
case you don't have my other website, it is Healing
Global disconnect dot com and the message is loud and
clear on that website. Please go there and read it.
I also updated my website, Psychological Healingcenter dot com and
(02:13):
we've got some very cool images on there of the
mind map and the whole encoding, decoding, recoding process, so
do check that out. So, yeah, that is the problem.
We lack empathy. And wherever we lack empathy, we can
do whatever the heck we want. We can shoot people,
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we can do whatever. It doesn't matter because we're not
feeling it. So what's the missing here is the connection,
and on a global scale, the interconnection, because whether we
like it or not, we are all interconnected. So can
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we heal as a culture, as a society without empathy?
I don't think so. I really don't think so, because
you know, I've done so many videos on this power
and control versus love and intimacy, and if you're going
to lean into power and control, which sometimes we have
to because when we have an enemy trying to knock
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us down, then you know, I use the example of
somebody trying to get through my door and my grandson
is on the other side, Well, what am I going
to do? I'm going to save my grandson. And the
empathy is there in that I don't want to shoot
that person, but that person is inviting himself or herself
(03:43):
to put themselves in harm way, in harm's way. So
that's a whole another story. But you know, again, it
boils down to we are interconnected. And when we get
to a place in in our consciousness where we realize
that to hurt another human being is really to hurt ourselves,
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that's when we will arrive. Okay, So what's happening on
a PTSD global scale A lot. Every time a person,
a wonderful person, an outspoken person such as Charlie Kirker,
anybody for that matter, who is on the right side
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of integrity and good character and honesty and truth and
and and and and and the light. Whenever anything happens
to a person like that, it threatens people who are
like that on some level. I mean, I'm sitting here
(04:49):
and I'm I'm preaching global unity and I'm talking about
healing global disconnect and human disconnected. You know what, some
people don't like that. Some people don't want global connection,
they don't want interconnection. On the contrary, they want to
eliminate and isolate and become more isn't in there in
(05:13):
their own way? So what do I mean by that
is if we take the mind map out and let's hey, Tony,
can you get on my website because I want to
show people this, Okay, I want to show them the process.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Is that the global healing global disconnect.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Well, okay, let's start with that and I could read
the message and then we'll go on my Psychological Healing
Center dot com, so you guys could see what I
am talking about here.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Let me connect to that. I can get that up
for sure.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Thank you, Okay, we're you. I appreciate it, and then
you know, we can have a discussion about it. Hopefully
somebody will call in or right in and we can
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dive into this matter of empathy and really cultural trauma,
which is what is going on and has always been
going on.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
We are every time something happens, we're globally.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Traumatized, okay, globally, and every time we try to heal
and something else opens up that wound, we get to
re experience it, and then the healing becomes almost impossible
because it's a constant violation of opening up the wound.
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Do you have that website? Healing globaldisconnect dot com.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Well that's because I'm trying to get it up. But
there's your psychological Well let's start there.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Okay, So if you can roll down and you could
show people the new website which is really putting a
lot of emphasis on the power of the mind map,
which I now can really attest to because I've been
doing it for a decade plus, much more than a
decade with stellar results, especially over traditional therapy where we
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don't get to the cause. And I want you to
scroll down if you can, and let's look at the
process and discuss the process, because since this is a
visual media, I get to show you visually the process.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Right here we go, roll down.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Okay, there it is encoding. So first of all, we
encode everything. We encode our first few years of life,
the way our parents neglect us, or esteem us, or
violate us in all kinds of ways. And so let's
show the process. Let's show encoding one, two, three, So
(07:58):
you see that. Look, wounds of childhood? What are they?
Physical abuse, sexual abuse, emotional abuse and neglect, control, smothering,
narcissistic parenting. So those are the wounds of childhood. And
then they expand into cultural wounds, racism, any kind of ism, separationism,
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violence against other human beings, verbal violence, physical violence, sexual violence,
you name it, threat of death, actual shooting, bombing, you
name it. There are the wounds, and now we have
reactions to the wounds. And how do you like the images? Tony?
(08:43):
I like it?
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Did you draw them?
Speaker 2 (08:46):
No? Actually, my yoga instructor came over and took a
picture of the mind map and he used AI to
generate these beautiful images. Okay, so thank you Brian for
generating these amazing images. And you know, I'm a storyteller.
So look, we're wounded. We're wounded emotionally, we're wounded culturally,
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we're wounded globally. And then what do we do We
react as babies, we fight, flee, freeze, and fawn. On
a global scale, what do we do we have PTSD
If people come back from wars, or people even they
watch the wars on TV and they're already traumatized. They
see blood, they see people being raped and murdered and
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so on, and so you know, look look at the
visual of it. It's almost like an open wound and
it just keeps reverberating and it's not healing, is it
not at all? So it's so painful that every time
something reactivates the reaction, it keeps going. It doesn't heal.
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It's like the wound that won't heal. And then as
a result of that, we encode messages. And these messages
are not always the greatest, like we can encode on
a global scale. Let's be paranoid. Let's hate certain factions
of people because they represent threat or a difference in
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philosophy or something like that. And so now we're encoding
all of the ways that we've tried to figure out
to not be wounded and react and have horrible reactions.
And then what happens is instead of protecting us, let's
follow the yellow brick road of the story, instead of
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protecting us with a good DNA strand that really is
in integrity and resonates, no, we now go into shambles.
So let's go look at the decoding process. So we
fall into decoding chaos, defenses and breakdowns. And so what
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does that chaos look like to you? You know, we
try to protect ourselves, but do we really I don't
think so. I think that we just get more and
more chaotic and panel four is a great description of
human disconnect. So you could see all of those bonds
are broken and disconnected to and they're pulsating and they're
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not in sync with each other, and there's discord, and
you can see the process of the discord, and then
what do we do? Okay, So as a result of
all this discord and lack of empathy, there is the
lack of empathy. Is anybody connected visually? It's a metaphor
for not at all, On the contrary, disconnected. And then
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when we're disconnected and in chaos, what do we do?
We double down and we protect ourselves further. And those
little bubbles that are turning and twirling represent isms. We
protect ourselves with defense mechanisms or we ism, meaning we
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divide into different cultures, religions, ideologies, philosophies. And that's not
necessarily that in and of itself, it's just horrible though
when we use one against another two panel number six,
that's where it all breaks down into a clash of
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the isms, which is the breakdown and hopefully the opportunity,
because everything's an opportunity. When we have isms, it's an
opportunity to use our isms to fortify ourselves and to
strengthen our individualism and to educate ourselves so that we're
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smarter and more empathicisms and more wisi isms. We can
go that way, or we could just be more defense
mechanisms and disconnect more and more from each other, finally
leading to such selfishness, such animosity toward each other because
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everybody now feels like a paranoid threat. And look at
panel number six, it's like the showdown there. It is
World War anything to do with violence, okay, the showdown.
So what creates a showdown is when somebody is triggered
by something, Right, they don't like what somebody says, or
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they don't like somebody's philosophy, or they don't like somebody's
color or religion or orientation or whatever it may be,
gives them fuel, if you see, it fuels them up
to attack instead of empathy and understanding and trying to
get to know one another and connect on levels of questioning,
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which is what deeply saddens me about the death of
Charlie Kirk. He didn't do that.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
He questioned people. He wanted to confront.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
People's opinions so he can expose different views and arrive
at the highest truth possible. So that's what I mean
by panel six. Could be an opportunity if you want
to do confrontation, fine, but you know, look what's happening
to our confronters. I'm a confronter, okay, I confront human disconnect.
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So some confronters are not appreciated because people would rather
backtrack into denial, which is panel number five defenses, and
live in chaos and not threaten their original core beliefs
in DNA blueprinting and deny the reactions and bury their
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heads about the childhood wounds. So you know, anytime you
expose truths, you're in a dangerous place. And I do
acknowledge that it's just that for me, it's the best
place in the world. Okay. So it's a duality. Expose
the truth and people can knock you down and annihilate
(15:36):
or expose the truth and people can so benefit and
break through and be the cause of a better outcome,
not only for their own life, but for the lives
of others. So let's see what's possible when you turn
back on the empathy. So you can see that decoding
(15:59):
is where we fall heart and clash and blow each
other up. Okay, let's go look at panel number seven
eight nine. So what's that. So we've got a paradigm shift. Wow,
big word, paradigm shift. Two words, big words. What is
a paradigm shift? A paradigm shift is a clear lens
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of perception. It's almost like looking through the eyes of God,
higher power, truth. Whatever you identify with as clear, unconditional, loving,
truthful lens of perception. Okay. And when I say unconditional love,
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I don't mean accept whatever is not healthy. I'm saying
that you look at things with a deep understanding, a
great wisdom, a great sense of knowing. And so when
you have that and those bubbles connect, See, those bubbles
are no longer clashing and crashing. They're dancing. That's why
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I think this image is so beautiful. They're dancing. They're
producing synergy. My favorite word one plus one is greater
than two. It produces the light. So every time people
get together and synergize and they create more than who
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they are alone, you get the light, okay. And the
light is empathy, and the light is sharing, and the
light is expensive and the light is connected back to truth. Okay.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
So do you see that without empathy.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
There's no dancing, there's no recoding, which is the healing panel.
So now let's look at what's possible. Once we interconnect
and we put our energies together and we become more
than who we are as an individual, then we can
build a new human and I'll call it a humane
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DNA strand. And this humane DNA strand considers the planet
because if you look at panel number eight, the planet
is clean. It's blue and green and healthy looking, and
it looks peaceful and unpolluted. The old panels look more
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heavy and toxic and toxic waste. And this is what's
possible because when we have empathy, not only do we
have empathy for the human race, we have empathy for
the planet. We have empathy for the earth. We don't
want to mess up our earth. We don't want to
hurt animals, we don't want to hurt our vegetation. We
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just don't want to hurt period. And how does that happen.
We have to feel connected. Okay, So if you look
at panel number eight, we can only heal by climbing
the evolutionary ladder, and for today's purposes, we'll call it
the ladder of empathy. The more we care, the more
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we share, the higher we climb. And you can notice
that the little people on the ladder, I know they're
hard to see, but there are actually little people on
the ladder, and the ones on the bottom rung are
being dragged up or they're being helped up, and the
one on top is helping up. And everybody's either helping
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or being helped. And that's how we are as a
human race. We either need to reach for help or
we are the help, and we've got a function in
both worlds. And when there's a lack of empathy, all
we really can care about is ourselves. And so we're
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not really plugged into helping others because we don't see
any value to ourselves about it, our selfishness about it.
Why why help others when we can help ourselves? And
that is a true disconnection from the concept of unity,
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united humanity, when it's a one way street, when we
don't see ourselves as interconnected and one human race. And
I've got to write the books. Somebody's got to give
me a good kick in the butt about this. I've
got to write my book healing.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
What's that?
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (20:45):
Thanks?
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Healing Global disconnect be the cause. Okay, it's important and
and and it's going to be challenging for me because
I don't I'm not I'm not a politician, and I'm
I want to write this as a politician. I'm considering
myself to be a connector and helping people to connect
(21:08):
and stay connected. And I also realize that you can't
connect with certain individuals who have no empathy. Those are
not people to connect with. Okay, So don't read me wrong.
Don't think that we have to dance with the enemy. No,
And who is the enemy? Anybody that's not humane? Okay.
(21:30):
Not the enemy is somebody that's a different color, or
different religion, or a different race or different anything. The
real enemy is inhumane consciousness. Does that make sense to
the people who are listening, I want to hear from you.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
Really, it definitely makes sense to me, and I do
I do have a question from a chat room person,
what if somebody thinks em I can say it, empathy
is a weakness of strength.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Well, it could be a weakness if you're empathizing with
a narcissist. Me and I've done so many shows about that.
And that's another thing, is that sometimes people's empathy, good heartedness,
good nature is used to milk thumb of narcissistic supply. Okay,
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so in that case, we're not in panel numbers seven,
which is the dancing panel. It looks more like a
vampire effect, which is where the light is being sucked
out of the EmPATH and the other one is growing
but not really only growing in selfishness. And so what
(22:52):
was the question is that?
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Well, it just saying is because there are some leaders
that said I heard it saying empathy is a weakness.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Empathy without boundaries. Okay, you know, I can be as
empathic as ever, and I like my empathy. But if
somebody comes to hurt my dogs, right, let's put them
in there they're important, or my loved ones are not
doing the right thing, then I don't consider them a
(23:28):
member of the humane race. Does that make sense? So
the distinction is not in, oh, the black person's here,
or the white person's here, the Jewish person's here, the
Muslim person's here, or the Christian person's here. The distinction
is what is their consciousness are, what's their intention? What
(23:49):
are they bringing that's of the light?
Speaker 4 (23:53):
Okay, And that's you know, we're making a big mistake
in how we draw our divisional lines, and that's what's
getting us in big trouble.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
And we're doing it understandably because we're scared. So we
could just label all these kinds of people bad and
all those kinds of people good. But is every one
of those people that you label great really great? Or
is every one of those And you know, it is
true that certain cultures are nations or whatever have a
(24:25):
national consciousness. Okay, that's true, and that's worth paying attention to.
So what is the intention of the people? That's really,
you know, interesting. And I know that goes into politics,
which I don't love because first of all, I'm not
very knowledgeable in that arena, although I watch lots and
(24:48):
lots of YouTube, and some of the people that I
love to watch are people like Jordan Peterson. I think
he's a truth teller, Douglas Murray, I think he's an
amazing truth teller. I love to watch Charlie Kirk. I
love to watch Massa Hassan, who was the son of
(25:12):
hamas a big truth teller, and people who actually jeopardize
themselves by telling the truth. Somebody is jeopardizing themselves to
tell the truth. You could probably believe them because you
know what's in it for them, unless they want lots
(25:34):
and lots of pr which is always possible. But I
go back to the original. Let's put the mind map
back up again and do the corrective version, okay of
the mind map. So here it is panel one, the wound.
The wound is a place where the light enters. That's
(25:58):
quote by Rumi. And when the light enters you, it's
supposed to soften your heart, isn't it. It's supposed even
when you're wounded, you're supposed to not only cry for yourself,
You're supposed to cry for people who are going through woundings.
If somebody has been abused, then you know they have choices.
(26:20):
They can either side with the darkness and become abusive,
or they can develop empathy for abuse and become healers,
which is what I chose to do. And so every
single panel has the opportunity of the darkness and the light,
(26:42):
and so you write your script even panel number two.
Do you have to be a reactor fight, flight, free
and fun? I mean sometimes you do. Sometimes you want
to get the hell out of the area. You Sometimes
you freeze because you don't know what to do. Sometimes
you retreat and fawn, and you know, there are all
kinds of postures we take. But in a perfect world
(27:07):
with consciousness as causal, what we want to do is
we want to shut down our reactivity. And in that
place where we're going to do something reactive which we
might regret later, we stop. We take a pause, and
we pull back until we connect to the light and
(27:31):
no more, and then act out of proaction and not reaction.
And I want to give the Kabbala information credit for this,
because I learned all of this proactivity and reactivity for
my studies of Kabbala. And then in panel number three,
we'll just go through it again so that I could
(27:54):
really make my point. So instead of encoding all this toxicity,
do you see the toxic haze in the background, we
have the opportunity to confront our negative core beliefs and
to confront the state of the world, and to confront
(28:15):
our own mental state and say, hey, I've been encoded
with misinformation and this is where it lies. Oh, negative
core belief, I'm not good enough. Misinformation, negative core belief
I shouldn't have even been born. Misinformation. Okay, so somehow
you have to pick through this stuff and acknowledge that
(28:39):
you have been coded with misinformation. So the it's an
encoding gone wrong that creates a system gone wrong that
ends up in chaos and defenses and breakdowns. Okay, and
through this whole process, if you have empathy, the turnout
(29:05):
is much different than if you don't. If you don't
have empathy, I guarantee you you're going to find yourself
sooner or later in panel number six break down if
you are operating out of the consciousness of interconnection and
desire to reveal truth and desire to connect two humane beings,
(29:32):
and I'm going to leave out the inhumane because they're
not worth being connected to. They can be rehabilitated at
the most, but some of them can't be. You know,
I've been a psychologist long enough to know that there's
certain people that I haven't figured out how to turn
people like Jeffrey Dahmer around. I know he's not around
(29:55):
and not my patient, but you know, if he were
on my couch, I don't know if I can do it.
People go too far to the evil side and they're
not amenable to see the light. They're just buried under
the darkness. So depending on how you choose to live
(30:16):
your life, you can either go through wounds, reactions and coatings, chaos, defenses,
and then break down, or you can use the first
encodings of your life to say, wow, that really hurt.
I want to make a difference. I want to make
a difference to myself. I want to heal my wounds
and then leave a better outcome for myself and the
(30:42):
next generation. And it's only through empathy, because look, apathy.
What's the difference between what's the opposite of love? Anybody
want to take a guess in the chat room?
Speaker 3 (31:01):
Repeat that one more time?
Speaker 2 (31:03):
What is the opposite of love?
Speaker 3 (31:10):
There's a little delay, but somebody just said hate.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
You know you think so right? Good, good guess, But
the opposite of love is actually apathy? Hmm, okay, I
hate you. I still have feelings for you, true, true
that it's true feels. They're not great feelings, but you
know I hate you, so you know there's juice there,
there's energy there, So maybe we could still work it out,
(31:38):
because I don't think people want to remain in the
state of hate. But if I don't care, is your
modus operandi? The apathy button is now stuck in mode apathy.
There's no caring. I don't love, I don't hate, I
(32:01):
don't feel. It doesn't matter. I can push the red button,
the yellow button, the green button, I can do whatever
doesn't matter, doesn't matter at all. And that's true narcissism.
But more than that, it's now sociopathy because there is
no caring at all. You know, it's almost like emotional numbness,
(32:30):
or not only emotional numbness, but the empathy nerves have died.
There's no flow, just robotic, you know, killing weapons. So
how can a society heal when there's no feeling on
the other side? How can I be a healer to
(32:52):
other people If I don't feel somewhat of their pain?
Can't do it? You know, I don't have to have
gone through exactly what they went through. But if I
can't feel some.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
Of it and I have no empathy, and I'm basically
a robot, and AI might as well just replace me,
because that's what's going to happen, right, psychotherapists are going
to be replaced with AI and everything is going to
be replaced.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
But I don't know. I'm not sure. I don't know
enough about AI. Do they really have feelings or they
only have programmed responses that look like feelings, because there's
a difference.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
A Doctor Judy, I have a question. I think this
is a really good one, it says doctor Judy. If
empathy requires us to understand another person's pain, then how
do we empathize with someone who is incapable of empathy
empathy themselves, like a narcissist? Is that a paradox that
makes true healing impossible?
Speaker 2 (33:55):
That is a great question, and I asked that of myself.
Am I required to feel sorry for narcissists? Am I
required to feel sorry for people who hurt and murder
and so on? Am I required to do that? And
I think I'm not required to care about somebody that
(34:19):
doesn't have empathy, but I am required to care to
try to fix that. You know that's sad, right?
Speaker 4 (34:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (34:30):
Yeah? Yeah? So you know, as a human being, I'm
not going to waste a lot of time leading my
heart out over people who are cruel and evil. You know,
I'm reading a book Dracula brom Stoker has so interesting.
Never thought i'd read it, but I am, and it
(34:54):
really truly talks about evil? Okay, as does A. Scott
Peck in his book People of the Life. I'm very
interested in evil. Do I empathize with Dracula, or at
least the character of Do I empathize with people who
are the guy that shot Charlie Kirk? Do I empathize
(35:17):
with him? Not at all? No, I'm sorry, I don't,
That's the truth. Do I feel like I have a
human responsibility to heal people on a deep level so
that they don't become like that? Yes? Do I have
an understanding of Jeffrey Dahmer as a little boy who
(35:38):
was neglected and the mother was on pills and the
father was always away, And yeah, I totally do, you know,
I totally do. But after a certain I guess a
critical mass point, Jeffrey Dahmer decided to hunt people down,
(35:58):
lure them into his apartment, drug them up, and then
I think we know the rest. Right. So do I
have empathy?
Speaker 4 (36:07):
Now?
Speaker 2 (36:07):
I have disgusted. I have human disgust for that. But
I do have empathy for that soul that was originally
of the light, that was wounded so badly that became darkness.
And I haven't finished the book Dracula, but I bet
(36:27):
that it'll come to that that the character Dracula must
have somehow, somehow he did one hundred and eighty degree
turn from being of the light to choosing darkness. So
that that's fascinating. But you know, I'm more on the
(36:47):
preventative end. Let's make sure that our children don't end
up that paralyzed emotionally. Let's give them what doctor John
Bowlby talks about eye contacts, skin contact, love, nurture, and attention, achuvement, boundaries,
(37:10):
all the stuff that makes us human. We need to
do that, and so that's where my energy goes to that.
Any other great questions in the chat room or anybody
want to call in and we can talk about this
is really leading me in the direction of join the
(37:31):
human race, healing global disconnect. But please remember I do
not want to dance or interconnect with people who are evil. No,
thank you.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
Can I ask you a question and then we do
have another question in the chat room. But I was thinking,
where does forgiveness connect to empathy? Because you've seen these
parents where somebody killed their child and then in trial
when they got sentenced, the parent comes up will say,
(38:05):
you know, I forgive you. Does that go with empathy
or is that something separate.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
Another great question, Thank you for that question. I think
that they're doing it for themselves to have some sort
of a peace of mind. And maybe they're so plugged
into the rottenness of the human race and how children
can go wrong and grow up to be murderers. And
then maybe you know, because I've seen a lot of
(38:36):
those shows. I love true crime and I watch stuff
like that, and sometimes the murderer will actually reach out
to the family. They'll start expressing empathy, which then opens
the heart of the people who were the parents of
(38:56):
the you know, of the person, the person that was killed.
And so I'm not saying that it's unhealable, Okay, It's
just that you really have to be you know, call
it whatever level. Some people call it Christ's consciousness, Buddha consciousness,
(39:18):
God consciousness, whoever you want to identify with, if you're
able to. The way I look at it is forgiveness
must be earned. I don't give out free forgiveness chips
to people. You know, somebody did me, somebody robbed me
of money, and this has happened. I've lost a lot
(39:40):
of money through people that I thought were my friends
and then turned out not so much. And so if
they want to reconnect with me again, they can't just
say sorry, you know, I mean, it would take a
long process to repair such damage, and you know, would
(40:01):
start with giving back every single penny plus interest, and
then a true recognition and a truthfulness about why'd you
do that? And if I detected BS, then game over.
You know, no thanks. But if they were big enough
to say, you know, that was really jealous of you,
and I really wanted what you had and I didn't
(40:24):
think I could ever get it, and now I realized
that what I did was absolutely disgusting, that person has
to come to the point within themselves where they hate
who they were being. Okay, So the murderer on death
row genuinely has to hate who he has been being.
(40:47):
So in that case, they're rehabilitating themselves. Because you know,
in my book, I talk about the big eye and
the little eye, and the little eye is the compromise
e die, and the big eye is the best of
the best of us. And so the person who's a
reforming murderer, okay, or I guess they can't reform from
(41:12):
murdering somebody, but they can reform their consciousness has to
really confront the evilness that lies within within. And it's
not just a confrontation from the victims saying, hey, you
really hurt me. I'm not going to penetrate. It's only
(41:34):
when that person says, I hate the person I was.
I rechecked all philosophy, all consciousness of who I've been being,
and that's when it becomes possible, I think too, for
(41:54):
them to start their own healing and for us to
have any level of empathy. You can even want this
In the courthouse, when the judge sees the the criminal
come in and the criminal is laughing. I've seen cases
like that. The kid is laughing at the mother who
lost her daughter and she's screaming at him, how could
(42:16):
you do this to my daughter? You have you know,
you're you're, you're.
Speaker 4 (42:20):
You're so evil, you're and he's just laughing, laughing.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
And the judge sees this, and you know, maybe he
was going to give him like, uh, you know, forty
years in prison. Now he says, sorry, death penalty. Why
does that happen? Because the judge can see there's no
hope for this person. There's no hope. He's just beyond,
(42:49):
beyond prepare here, you know, laughing in the face of
a mother whose child he murdered. I don't know how
do he come back from that? So I think we're
as animals, as human intuitive beings. We can sense when
people have a little bit of a beating heart, a
little bit of remorse, of empathy, of regret of something.
(43:16):
You know, there's got to be something there. It can't
just be sorry, you know, there's nothing in that sorry.
I remember I used to tease my grandson. He used
to do things that I got angry at. One day,
he dragged these blueberries out of my fridge and they
were all over the floor, and I said, Alexander, you've
(43:38):
got to clean it up. He goes, you do it, Grandma.
Speaker 4 (43:41):
I said, look, I didn't spill him.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
I'll help you. Because he was only like three of
the time, so of course I was going to help him.
But I said, you have to, you have to take
some responsibility. So he says sorry, Grandma, and I looked
at him. I said, that is the most phony sorry
I've ever heard in my entire life. And he cracked
(44:05):
up because he knew I was right. And I said,
you know what the real sorry is, and he says, what, Oh,
clean it up. He got it. Okay. So there are
different levels of connect and disconnect, and if there's something there,
(44:27):
then maybe it's healable. But if there's just a coldness,
an evilness, a sense of an impenetrable shell, and that's
what's happening in today's world people. That's why again I'm
referring back to Charlie Kirk, because he challenged people, have
(44:49):
you ever heard of people changing their mind? You know,
I just don't see it. Oh I'm a Democrat. Oh
oh after talking to you, I'm now a Republican. Oh
I'm a Republican.
Speaker 4 (44:59):
Oh after talk talking to you, I'm now You know,
people don't change their mind that often.
Speaker 2 (45:04):
It really takes a lot. Do you notice that, Tony?
Speaker 3 (45:07):
Just like, oh, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
You know, once you're steeped in your own squat, then
you're going to justify why you think that way. But
you know, I don't love I love proof, But justification
is a different story. Justification is sort of like I
want to defend my ism. But to just have an
open conversation and talk truth and talk light. That's how
(45:34):
we really know if we're in the light or if
we're just justifying and staying stuck just because so anyway,
I know we went around the band, but the topic
today was can we heal in a culture that lacks empathy?
And I go back to saying no, because you know,
(45:57):
it's as subtle as this news reporter reports the story
and that's their job, but you know somebody is listening
to that report and they're being triggered. Okay, oh, little
Sally was raped to two pm at the school by
blah blah blah. Well the mother might be watching that.
(46:18):
How could she heal every time she hears it? And
I'm not suggesting that we stop reporting, but there's got
to be a consciousness that everything that we're putting out
there in the universe is going to be somebody's trigger point,
and we just have to be very empathic about that,
(46:45):
because that's what's happening now, just a bunch of you know,
turn on the news and you could get indirect PTSD.
Speaker 3 (46:57):
Doesn't matter what channel you turn on. It's it's it's hard.
I used to be a news junkie, but it's hard
for me to even turn on the news anymore.
Speaker 2 (47:08):
Yeah, sometimes you have to take a break from that stuff.
Speaker 3 (47:11):
So what somebody was asking about empathy for yourself?
Speaker 2 (47:18):
That's big.
Speaker 3 (47:19):
How does one begin that? Because I think it's sometimes
it's easier to forgive somebody else than yourself.
Speaker 2 (47:26):
Well, you know the question before about how do you
have empathy for people who lack empathy? I think that
the what do you do with that? So you know,
who do you forgive? I think you forgive yourself. I
forgive myself for entering into bad deals romantically, financially, spiritually,
(47:51):
whatever level I've entered into very bad deals. You know
what's my crime? Probably positive project, which I've talked about,
which I assume the good in people without really doing
my homework and investigating. Probably because I like to trust people. However,
(48:12):
trust without boundaries can lead to violations. So who do
you forgive yourself? Forgive firsus yourself. But you don't forgive
yourself until you've self reflected enough to know that you
won't do it again. You can't just forgive myself. No,
I forgive myself.
Speaker 4 (48:33):
Now.
Speaker 2 (48:33):
I know that I have to do my homework, and
now I know that I can't trust until I verify.
Now I know that I should put contracts together. Now
I know that I should get a better history on
the person, okay, because without doing that, you're just going
to be a repeat offender upon yourself or somebody else. Well,
(48:56):
that's a really important step. And by the way, you
should get my book be the Couse Healing Human Disconnect
and coming up soon. I'm almost done with it. I'll
see if I could text it to you, Tony, Can
I text it to that number? Sure? Hold on, let
(49:18):
me see if I can find it. Okay, I will
see if I can find it. Okay, my new book.
I've always been into the stop smoking process. I wrote
(49:39):
two previous books on quitting smoking, and this is going
to be the last one. I promised there will be
no other books by doctor Judy Rosenberg on quitting smoking.
This is a deep dive into why people smoke and
how to stop smoking and how smoking fills the hole
in the soul. And it's going to be part of
(49:59):
the s stop smoking and then alcohol and all kinds
of different topics. So I wanted to give you a
little preview of it. It's not quite done yet, but
I might as well pre advertise it. This is not
what companies do right, right prequels. Okay, So if you
(50:20):
have that one.
Speaker 3 (50:21):
I'm just getting ready to download it right now.
Speaker 2 (50:24):
Yeah, thank you, And you could tell me what you
think about the cover, because I could still do stuff
with it.
Speaker 3 (50:33):
I love the chain, so let's see. Let me pull
this into my system.
Speaker 2 (50:40):
Thank you and that done.
Speaker 3 (50:48):
Hey, there you go.
Speaker 2 (50:49):
There it is out.
Speaker 3 (50:50):
If I like it, I love the color, and kick it.
Speaker 2 (50:54):
Kick it, stop smoking and be the cause of better
outcomes for your life. Culture key or gradual withdrawal. The
choice is yours. And this is a quitting Smoking is
not about willpower. It's you've got to look at what
is keeping you in psychological prison and look at the
(51:16):
hole in the soul and why you smoke. So this
is a deep dive into that plus turning off to smoking.
So for those of you who smoke, you can start
reaching out to me and hopefully I'll have this ready
in the next month or so. So with that said,
thank you everybody. Any other questions in the chat room.
Speaker 3 (51:39):
I think that was it, but it was a great
show and I think very timely.
Speaker 2 (51:45):
Thank you very much Tony for always being there for me.
And remember that even when you tell a story about
something horrible that happened, watch who you're telling it to
because you might be triggering the wrong person and you know,
just never gonna heal if we keep doing that. Amen, sister,
(52:06):
all right, take care of everyone and and see you
next time. Good night, please
Speaker 4 (52:28):
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