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Jake (00:00):
In today's episode of the
educational duct tape podcast.
My guest is Amy Storer.
A lead learning guide at friedtechand I certified Google and Microsoft
educator and trainer together.
We explore creative tools to replaceGoogle jam board, including fig jam
from Figma and Padlet sandbox, aswell as the more robust Figma for EDU.
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We also dive into digital calmingrooms, canvas magic media for
generating custom visuals.
And Padlets new auto captioningfeature for videos and audio that
enhances accessibility for learners.
If there's one sound that echoesthrough my house more than
anything else, it's the word, mom.
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Our kids y'all from across the housewith the most random questions.
Where did you put my blue underwear?
I'm kind of making that one upor have you seen my toothbrush?
It's like, they think mywife's a human help desk.
I keep telling her she needs adigital system where the kids
could submit requests and she couldfollow up when she's got time.
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Hey there duct tapers, whetheryou're a long time listener or
tuning in for the very first time.
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Welcome to the show.
I'm Jake.
I'm an educator from Ohio.
And by joining us today,you're officially a duct taper.
That means you're on board with theeducational duct tape metaphor, where
we use ed tech, like duct tape asa tool to solve problems, achieve
goals and meet learning standards.
Now, before we dive in, let's talkabout the elephant in the room, or
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should I say the soccer field or thebaseball field or the football field?
It's been over a monthsince my last episode.
Between all the fall activities, thegames, the practices, the play rehearsals,
and putting hours into watching mybeloved Cleveland guardians come so close.
To going to the world series.
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I've been busy.
So thanks for your patience.
As I navigate the dad life and the dayjob and all of the things, and still
try to show up here in the podcast feed.
I'm excited to be back infront of the microphone today.
And I hope to release episodes asfrequently as possible in the future.
Speaking of updates, I've gotsomething bittersweet to share.
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You might remember that interactivefeature where I invited you.
The Duct taper is to share yourthoughts and insights for the podcast.
Well, after a few episodes and afew attempts to make that work.
I've decided to let that go.
And honestly, I probably should haveforeseen this educators are super busy
and finding time for you to contributeto a podcast is no small feat.
So while we're saying goodbyeto that segment, I want to thank
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everybody who participated in thefew episodes where we tried that out.
It was such a cool experiment.
Matt said the silver lining is thatI'll be able to focus on putting out
more regular episodes like this oneless waiting between releases and
more of the content that you love.
Or maybe at least tolerate.
But don't worry, even though we won't havethose episodes that are dedicated to your
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voices, I still do want to hear from you.
You can always connect with me on socialmedia at Jake Miller, EDU, you could
share with other duct tapers on socialmedia using the hashtag EDU duct tape,
or you can email me questions or senda quick message through SpeakPipe,
which is linked in the show notes.
I love hearing your thoughtsand those connections are what
make this community special.
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It's what makes Ducttapers, Duct tapers, right?
It's connecting andtalking about this stuff.
All right.
Well that said let's getinto today's episode.
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We've all heard the advice to justtake baby steps and Hey, I get it.
Small steps are good, but Ithink we're missing out on
something when we use that phrase.
Yes, baby steps are about movingslowly and carefully, but what
do babies do when they walk?
They fall a lot.
And what did they do after they fall?
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They get back up unphasedand keep toddling around.
They're like little human boomerangs.
They fall down, but thenthey're right back up.
Ready to go again?
Eventually they're walking like prose.
So next time you hear baby steps.
Remember the second part falling down.
Taking baby steps andimplementing AI in your learning
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environment is a good strategy.
But when you take those baby steps,don't just expect small progress from
those baby steps expect to fall down too.
And that's okay.
When you do be ready to get back up andkeep toddling because soon enough you'll
be walking and leveraging AI confidently.
. The key is not just the size of the stepsyou take, but your ability to get back
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up after the falls you take as well.
Speaking of babies stumblingwhile they learn to walk.
Let's talk about another Rite of passagethat kids go through as they grow up.
It's one that our oldest kiddoin the Miller household is about
to experience learning, to drive.
Now, I don't know who originally saidthis, but there's a quote that goes
something like learning to drive ismore effortful than driving itself.
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And boy, can I relate to that?
The first time I trieddriving my dad's pickup truck.
I hit the brake and the gaspedal at the same time while
trying to park in the driveway.
And guess what?
I plowed right into theexterior garage wall.
That's right.
Solid introduction.
The driving right there.
Needless to say, I was abit hesitant to try again.
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And it took me months beforeI got back behind the wheel.
But sooner or later, just likea toddler learning to walk.
I had to get back up and tryagain, because if I didn't,
I was never going to learn.
I had to take baby steps and that doesn'tjust mean starting with driving in and
out of our long driveway, then moving upto driving around an abandoned parking
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lot, then driving on dead end roads.
It also means when somethingwent wrong, I had to get back up.
Just like a baby doeswhen they learn to walk.
Now why is driving so hard at first?
It's because learningto drive is effortful.
You're in that awkward stage of learningthat one that requires the most effort.
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And a post I found onLinkedIn by Gail Somerton.
And I hope I pronouncing her name.
Right.
Anyhow, I learned about theconscious competence model.
The conscious competencemodel is a journey.
When you start learning.
You were in the consciousincompetence stage.
This is where you're all tooaware of what you don't know.
It's frustrating.
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It's effortful.
And it's the part where mostpeople want to throw in the towel
because it takes a lot of effort.
Remember how I said it took memonths to start driving again.
Yeah.
I was living right there in theland of conscious and competence.
I was convinced I never get it.
Right.
And I was embarrassed aboutmy initial foray into driving.
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But then after enough practice,you hit conscious competence.
You could drive, but it feels like thereare a million things to keep track of.
You're thinking about your speed, thetraffic light up ahead, the car on
the next lane over and all of thosetraffic laws and norms you could drive,
but it's definitely not automaticand it's still quite effortful.
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Eventually though, after morepractice and some bumps along the
way you reach unconscious competence.
You're cruising along, noteven thinking about it anymore.
Driving becomes second nature so much sothat sometimes you get home and realize
you don't even remember part of their out.
Scary.
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Yeah, maybe, but it's also a sign thatyou've mastered the skill of driving.
Your brain no longer needs to burnthrough fuel mental fuel to drive.
You've automated it.
And now it's not effortfulit's effort less.
Right.
Learning how to drive is effortful.
Driving pretty much effortless.
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Now, let's bring this backto something a bit more.
20, 24.
AI and education.
Learning to implement AI tools orteaching in the era of large language
models is a lot like learning to drive.
At first it's overwhelming.
And you're stuck in thatconscious incompetence stage
where everything feels confusing.
And it seems like everyone around youunderstands AI better than you ever will.
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You feel incompetent with AIand you're conscious of it.
You're on the consciousand competent stage
the first time you try integratingan AI tool into your curriculum
or class prep, you might feellike you've hit the garage wall.
Maybe you'll even want to giveup for a few months, just like
I did with that pickup truck.
But if you take those baby steps andexpect to fall, And you keep going.
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Eventually using AI toolswill become second nature.
It's just like driving.
You'll go from thinking about everylittle input to effortlessly steering
through the lesson plan, the grading orwhatever task AI is helping you with.
That's where the consciouscompetence model comes back.
You start with the frustrationof conscious incompetence.
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But after enough practice, you'llfind yourself in that zone of
unconscious competence, wherethe tools just work for you.
And you can focus on what reallymatters pedagogy and connecting with
your learners rather than the AI tools.
And you're now unconscious of those.
You just competently use them.
Don't believe me that this is possible.
We'll think about Google driveor any other technology that
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gained traction a few decades ago.
Wow.
Thinking about Googledrive as old technology.
Sure does make me feel ancient.
But anyhow, back then many educatorswere completely overwhelmed.
Hyper aware of theirincompetence with Google drive.
But over time they got more competent.
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And look at them now they'reunconsciously competent with Google drive.
Sharing a file is as easy andautomatic as driving to Starbucks
for a pumpkin spice latte.
You don't even have to think about it.
But remember it allstarted with baby steps.
You had to go slow and you hadto accidentally send a file link
without changing the sharing settingsfirst, and then somebody requested
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access and you're like, oops, sorry.
I thought I shared it.
And when that happened,you had to get back up.
It worked with Google drive.
And now it'll work with AI too.
You have to trust that.
And here's the good news.
Google drive is helpful.
Right.
And so it was driving right.
Things would be tough without Googledrive and driving in our lives.
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And soon you'll find that you'llappreciate AI just as much.
That's because it's not hereto replace you as an educator.
It's here to amplify what you dobest and make it easier for you.
AI can handle those repetitivetasks, things like summarizing
articles, differentiating resources,writing emails, or personalizing
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learning paths for students.
So you have more time tofocus on what's irreplaceable.
The human connection betweenyou and your learners.
Your ability to inspire mentorand guide students, can't
be replicated by a machine.
Think of AI as an assistant,not a replacement.
It's a tool that helps you engage moredeeply with students, not something that
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takes over the heart of what you do.
And if you keep that in mind,the why between integrating
AI, how it's going to help you,you'll be more willing to get up.
When you fall.
And here's the thing.
As you go through this learning process,as you experienced those falls, there's
only one way you could truly fail.
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And that's by quitting.
As Jen Sincero says in her book, you area bad-ass that's the name of the book?
Not what she said.
I guess you said it too.
As she said in the book, theonly failure is quitting.
Everything else is justgathering information.
So when you accidentally Ram yourdad's pickup truck into the garage
wall, When you feel like you'restuck in conscious incompetence and
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tempted to give up, remember thatevery stumble is part of the process.
It's all just gathering information.
Another step towards masteringAI or whatever else feels
overwhelming right now.
When I had that epicallyembarrassing driving experience,
I gathered information, right.
Gas pedal or brake pedal, neverboth Jake use one or the other.
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You want to stop, use the brake.
It wasn't a failure.
It was gathering information.
I will never do it again.
Right.
Taking baby steps means accepting thefalls, but it also means getting back up.
So take those baby steps, fall down,get back up and keep moving forward.
Because sooner or later you'll bedriving like a pro, whether it's on the
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road or in your AI powered classroom.
Here's your challenge for today?
Think about where you are in yourlearning process with AI implementation.
Are you just starting with AI,maybe feeling like you don't
even know what you don't know.
Or are you in that frustratingmiddle ground where nothing feels
easy and progress seems slow.
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Wherever you are.
I keep going, take thosebaby steps and remember.
That the only failure is giving up.
Because once you push through that hump,It won't just be baby steps anymore.
You'll be running.
And AI will be working for you.
Effortlessly.
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Today's guest is Amy Storer.
Amy is a lead learning guide at friedtech.
She is a Google and Microsoft certifiededucator and trainer, whom is known
for her exceptional teaching skills,meaningful use of tech in education,
and her love of connected classrooms.
She inspires and pushes othersto explore avenues outside
traditional teaching methods,making learning engaging and sticky.
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You can find Amy online at TechAmyS,that's on X and on Instagram
and on TikTok, or you can reachout to her at AmyS@fried.Tech.
You can learn more about her and the restof the friedtech team on friedtechnology.
com.
All those links will be there foryou in the show notes, but not just
in the show notes here in the actualepisode is the one and only Amy.
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Amy, how are you doing today?
Amy (15:26):
I'm doing great.
How are you?
Jake (15:27):
I am doing great.
So Amy and I saw each other.
It's been a little over a yearhanging out down in Mississippi.
Good times down in Mississippi, right?
Has it been a year or two years?
Things are starting toblur together for me.
It was a year ago.
Amy (15:39):
I know.
I want to say a year.
Yeah, I have such a huge love ofMississippi educators, their food.
we love getting to travel to Mississippi.
Their educators are alwaysso much fun to work with.
And Mecca is the conference that wehelped to put on and you were our keynote
Jake (15:56):
twice down in
Amy (15:57):
was fantastic.
Jake (15:58):
it was a fun time down in Longs.
Was it?
Long Shore?
No.
Amy (16:01):
That's yeah, so that wasn't Mecca
that must have been our that was like
Jake (16:04):
No, Mississippi connects.
It was Mississippi
Amy (16:06):
connects Yes.
Yep.
it was a summer one Yep.
Jake (16:09):
down at the South
coast and then up in Jackson.
Right.
And I got to drive through Mississippiin between and tour the state.
That's cool place.
Remember that place?
We went to dinner, saltine.
Did you
Amy (16:20):
Oh I was just in Mississippi
this summer and I went there
specifically to get their s'morescake And they were sold out.
I was so sad.
But yeah, that's usuallywhere I always go.
That place and a couple of others.
They just have great food.
Yeah, it's fantastic.
Jake (16:37):
want to go back.
The other thing I, the thingI learned about Mississippi
is the open container law.
That was a little bit odd.
That was a surprise to me.
That was new.
I was at, so we were that thefirst night we were down there,
I had done the conference.
I had done the keynote andthen done a series of breakouts
and then went back to my hotel
and had a beer at the hotel.
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And I'm like, I'm rightacross from a beach.
I should walk across to the beach.
And I'm like, I wonder, canI carry my drink across the
street to the beach with me?
Um, so I looked it up andI was like, Oh goodness.
Yes.
I can definitely do that.
I can also take a drive withit, which I opted to not do
Amy (17:13):
Wow, I did not know that.
Jake (17:15):
apologies.
If anybody out there islike driving their car.
I'm just.
to be right now anddrinking a beer and they're
Amy (17:20):
Let's not.
Ha ha ha ha
Jake (17:23):
be the one person doing that.
There might not be anybody else forwhom that is happening, but I agree.
I love it there.
I loved it, Mississippi.
I want to go back and visit.
I told my family, like you guysneed to come there someday.
Amy (17:33):
Yeah, that's a great area.
Yep.
Love it, too.
Jake (17:36):
so Amy, first step before
we get to some actual ed tech.
So the first step actually is me totell weird stories about hanging out
in Mississippi and their open laws.
The second step is to play a goofy game.
And then the third step is some ed tech.
So we're going to play a gameof two truths and one lie.
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I'm sure you know howthe rules to this work.
I don't have to explain them to you,but the one special thing for you to
understand when on the educational ducttape podcast is that I will mess it up.
So all of the rules are normal,except for the new rule where
Jake screws up the game, becausethat happens every, every time.
Okay.
So are you ready withthree statements for me?
Amy (18:16):
I'm ready.
Yes.
Jake (18:17):
like, so Amy can
see me on video right now.
You guys can't, as I prompt her to readher things, I'm like stretching my arms
Amy (18:23):
Getting ready.
Jake (18:23):
up in my seat, like
getting really ready for this.
Okay, go ahead.
Amy (18:28):
All right.
My first concert was Metallica.
Jake (18:31):
Okay.
Amy (18:32):
My twin cousins, Scott and Spencer,
were in the movie Necessary Roughness.
Jake (18:38):
Okay.
Amy (18:38):
I am an identical twin.
Jake (18:41):
Okay.
Hmm.
First concert, Metallica.
I could see you.
Rocking out to some, some battery orsome master of puppets or some enter Sam.
And I believe that one.
Okay.
And then two cousins in the movienecessary roughness with Sinbad.
I'd be jealous of them.
They get to meet Sinbad, right.
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And Scott Bakula.
I think look at my knowledge ofthe movie necessary roughness.
And why am I not startingwith Kathy Ireland?
I had the biggest crush on Kathy Ireland.
Um, Or twin sister.
I believe you do have a twin sisterbecause I believe I've met her, but
I'm not sure if you guys are twinsor just sisters, cause your sister
is also an ed tech rock star, right?
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Um, I'm guessing that your lie is.
The movie necessary roughness.
Amy (19:32):
You are incorrect.
Jake (19:33):
no.
Okay.
So they were really in themovie necessary roughness.
Amy (19:37):
They
Were yep.
If you remember the movie, no, theywere the twins with the ice blonde hair.
Omar and Igloff, I thinkwere their names, or Igloff.
Yeah, Swedish twins, maybe, but if youwatch the movie, they're always kind of in
the background, which you see them quiteoften in the movie, but they were actually
in it and funny, story about that.
They offered to bring me and my twinsister out to the set for our birthday
Jake (20:02):
did
Amy (20:02):
entire
Jake (20:03):
did you get
Amy (20:03):
we said, no, we're
having a slumber party.
Why would we, yep.
Looking back, I'm like, JasonBateman, Amy, what were you thinking?
Jake (20:13):
Jason Bateman's in it too?
Amy (20:15):
Yeah, yeah, Jason Bateman
is like a young football player.
I think he's the kicker, maybe.
Yeah.
It's such a cheesy movie, but Iwatch it every single year because
it makes me think of the two of
them.
Jake (20:24):
that's so great.
I need to rewatch the movie now tosee them and to see Kathy Ireland.
yeah, I'm going back tothe 1990s Jake right now.
Um, Okay.
So you just told me thatyou have a twin sister.
You said that in your answer there.
Ha ha.
Amy (20:35):
Oh, oops!
Jake (20:36):
me.
I know I'm actuallyplaying the game, right?
Amy, it's you who is alittle bit lost there.
Um, so your lie is your first, well,no, first, first, tell us about your
sister cause she's awesome as well.
Amy (20:47):
Yeah, my twin sister Dyann, she
is a middle school counselor in the
Willis, Texas area and she is a pioneerwhen it comes to counseling and ed tech.
She's one of the first that you'llfind out there that have used it to
help, support her in the roles that shedoes as a counselor and with students.
And she's just incredible.
She's, she's a speaker as well.
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And she gets to do some work for friedtechalso, but yeah, she's just fantastic.
Jake (21:11):
That's cool.
I want to say I met her at ISTEor at FETC once, but I could be,
maybe I just met, maybe I just metyou and I thought it was Dyann.
I know.
Amy (21:19):
maybe.
I
Jake (21:24):
I'll always remember in the
very first season of the show, maybe
it was the second season, uh, SylviaDuctworth was on, you know, Sylvia
Ductworth who speaks about sketchnotingand the book about sketchnoting.
And she, her thing andtwo truths and one lie.
One of the things was that her,she has two children or two pairs
of children who are fraternaltwins or something or another.
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I don't remember exactly what it was.
And I got confused as to what twins meant.
Sylvia had to teach me about it.
So now I know what I'm doing.
She's like, Jake, do younot know what this means?
And I'm like, I know I wasjust testing you, Sylvia, but
then she taught me anyhow.
Okay.
So the lie is firstconcert was not Metallica.
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So what was your first concert?
Amy (22:08):
sadly.
So when people typically ask me, Iwill say it was Metallica, but if
you're, if we're doing two truths anda lie, I will, I'll use it every time.
My first official concertwas Billy Ray Cyrus
at the, I think it was the Houston rodeo.
Achy breaky heart.
Yeah.
that was my very first one.
My second.
Official concert was Metallica andI've since seen them four times.
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so that's who I say is my first.
But if we're being really,really truthful, it is Mr.
Billy Ray Cyrus.
And I,
Jake (22:39):
of was
Amy (22:40):
and I am not, yeah, I'm not, no
hate to anybody who loves country music.
It's not my jam.
I'm a fan of, Hard Rock, so,
Jake (22:47):
There is somebody right now in
Mississippi driving in the car with
an open beer next to them and a Billy
Amy (22:54):
Billy Ray Cyrus
Jake (22:55):
angle.
It's a cassingle sitting next tothat and they're so irritated.
They're like, I'm done
Amy (23:00):
Oh, right.
Jake (23:01):
I'm turning off the podcast.
sorry.
Okay.
I'm sorry.
We're out of control.
Um, was that at theheight of his fame too?
Amy (23:10):
You know, I would, I guess so,
because that's when that song was
out, Achy Breaky Heart, and theHouston Rodeo, they're pretty well
known for bringing out some pretty,
um, pretty good singers and stuff, andso I was there with, I guess, well, it's
my mom with me maybe, Dyann for sure,for sure not my dad, that's not his jam
either, um, yeah, uh, yeah, he was,you know, he was a big Sade fan, um,
Jake (23:32):
Really?
He was not a
Amy (23:34):
I know.
And he's, he is, uh, but healso loved like Fleetwood Mac.
He had such great taste in music.
He was a Burley.
His name was Bear.
worked, you know, he had an automotiveshop that was next to our house.
And you would never think whenyou would walk in as he's working
on cars, he'd be listening toSade, but that was, he loved her.
And I, I still love her
Jake (23:52):
Beautiful voice.
Yeah.
He loves those, those womenwith beautiful voices, I guess.
Uh, uh, Fleetwood Mac too, Stevie Nicks.
Um, so you want to know whomy, my first concert was?
My very
Amy (24:02):
What?
Jake (24:03):
Um, Wu Tang Clan
Amy (24:06):
Nice.
Jake (24:06):
Rage Against the Machine together.
Amy (24:08):
Ugh.
Together?
Jake (24:10):
What a, what
Amy (24:11):
Nice!
Jake (24:11):
that was.
Yes.
Amy (24:14):
I think you and I
may have the same taste in
Jake (24:16):
Well, I was primarily there
for Wu Tang Clan and they were fine.
It was, it was neat.
They were, yeah, there, therewas a lot of, there was a lot
of things happening on stage.
Um,
but then Rage came on and I was like,they were just a throw in bonus for me.
And I didn't know them super well.
And afterwards I was like, that was cool.
Amy (24:34):
Yeah.
Jake (24:35):
That was really, cause
that was a, that was 90.
98, 97 or 98.
So that was right at the height ofrage against, against the machines.
Kind of like right, right after a bullson parade, kind of that kind of era.
So that right at the heightof their popularity, maybe not
the height, maybe just maybe acouple of years after the very
highest they were.
Yeah.
(24:55):
So it was good.
Um, Okay, well, Amy, now you and Iare going to be like Zack Della Rocha
and Tom Morello or, Kirk Hammond?
No, what's the main guy's name?
Uh,
Amy (25:10):
Hamit
Jake (25:11):
Hammett?
And Lars?
Alrick?
You're Lars.
Um,
Amy (25:16):
I wanna be James Hetfield.
Jake (25:17):
Hetfield.
That's why, that's why I was confused.
I was trying to think of whatthe lead singer's name is.
Kirk is the guitar player.
Okay.
You're James Hetfield and I'm fine.
I'll be Lars.
Um, and we're going to actually,we're going to be a great
duo, but not of rock music.
We're going to make someed tech, uh, amazingness.
Are you in?
Great.
So I have a educationalduct tape question for you.
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And for anybody listening forthe first time, just to hear
us talk about Mississippi andMetallica, and Billy Ray Cyrus.
Um, let me explain howthis works for them.
So an educational duct tape question is.
When we start with what the teacherneeds, right, what the teacher's goal
is, or the teacher's need, or theteacher's problem, or the thing the
teacher's trying to solve, and thenwe look at an educational technology
(26:00):
tool for solving it, like duct tape.
So this one's a little bit differentfrom usual because it's very timely.
We're actually going to focus on aspecific EdTech tool, which is an
EdTech tool that you are about to takeout of your repertoire because right
around the time you're listening tothis, that EdTech tool is going away.
so my question for you, Amy, iswhat tool or strategy would you
(26:22):
use to replace Google Jamboard?
Now, before you answer.
a couple of points I wantto make for the listeners.
Number one, as of October 1st, dependingon where you're listening to this,
or when you're listening to this isabout to happen or just happened as
of October 1st, all jam boards areright only meaning you can access
them, but you can't change them.
and as of December 31st at theend of the year, they go away.
(26:45):
so you have until 1231 to getrid of your Google jam boards.
And the other thing I shouldpoint out is there are a number
of possible answers here.
Amy is going to provide one.
I'm going to provide one.
so Amy, back to you, what tool or strategywould you use to replace Google Jamboard?
Amy (27:01):
yeah, I was heartbroken when I
heard that Jamboard was going away
because it was a tool that I use.
I didn't get to use it as ateacher in the classroom because
I was an instructional coach.
I think when that tool would come outmaybe or maybe I just didn't know about
it, but I used it all the time as alead learning guide at friedtech, but
my answer to that would be, FigJam,which is a part of the Figma family.
(27:22):
it is one of my favoriteonline collaborative whiteboard
tools that is out there.
I'm a huge fan of anythingthat saves teachers time,
saves clicks, one stop shop.
Everything is there that youneed to engage the student.
And so, FigJam is that tool, for me andI love using it and I learn something
new about it every single week.
(27:44):
it's just a great place for students andteachers and educators and anyone, human
beings in general, to come together, tobrainstorm, collaborate, share ideas, and
it doesn't matter where you're located.
Anybody can jump in.
So I really love it.
Jake (27:57):
Yeah, so I've got to be honest.
I'm aware of figma.
and I've gone to one presentationabout Figjam , but I haven't used it
myself aside from in that session.
I've used Jamboard a lot, so I used it,as a, Professional development provider
when it first came out and then I wentback into the classroom and I use it in
the classroom of students, and then I cameback out of the classroom and I do a lot
(28:18):
of professional development now and I useit a lot for professional development.
So I'm heartbroken tosee it go away as well.
So what I'm curious about is howdid the features in Figjam compare
to the features in Jamboard?
Amy (28:30):
So FigJam is going to have
everything that Jamboard had, and
as my Coworker Courtney and workwifesays, plus, plus, plus, plus.
So it's
everything that you could dowith Jamboard, but so much more.
And Jamboard was builton the idea of frames.
Um, FigJam is a never endingcollaborative whiteboard.
(28:52):
Top to bottom, left toright, it never ends.
You can build what's called likesections and treat those as frames,
but it is, like I said, a spacefor anyone to work together and
there's so much you can do there.
Like I said earlier, I'm a huge fan ofanything that mimics a like a one stop
shop or single tab learning, which means.
(29:12):
All the learning can takeplace in one tab versus many.
And as a teacher, educator, instructionalcoach, or leader, you can build all
of these experiences in FigJam, andthe students never have to leave it.
They can be right there in FigJam, allthe learning takes place in FigJam.
You can Pull things that you needlike timers, add in YouTube videos,
(29:33):
interactive Google Docs, Dice,Spinners, there's Connect Four,
there's just so much you can add there.
I know we talked about my twin sisterearlier, her and I collaborated together
and we built a FigJam, um, Um, for acalming room, a digital or virtual calming
So a place where students can go to findcalm, whether that's videos, sketching,
(29:54):
it's one of my favorite things that Ibuilt in there, alongside my sister.
But, there's just so manyways that you can use it.
And that's just one, one example for sure.
Jake (30:02):
Yeah.
So is that something thatshe shares publicly online?
I'd love to put a link to itin the show notes if she does.
Amy (30:07):
I can definitely share it with you.
A link to even grab a copyof it or the template.
she has built calmingrooms in Google sites.
She has built them in Wakelet,and this is just another tool that
she's also utilized to show that youcan, it can be built here as well.
but I'll definitely share her information
Jake (30:26):
for sure.
And is the goal there that youcould like a learner could go to
that site, and find the things thatthey need to calm themselves down.
Even if maybe the guidance counselor orthe social worker or whoever mans that
space, so to speak, isn't there, theyhave the stuff that they need right there.
Amy (30:43):
Yeah.
So definitely not a, not like a fix foreverything, but it's where kiddos can go.
Like she has different sections
like, coloring pages, visualrelaxation, cooking, and there's
typically it's YouTube videos, butshe's also got links to websites.
this is Sand is one of, our favorites togo to, a website and then she has with
Fig Jam because It's not just curatinglinks to YouTube videos or sites.
(31:06):
You can also add in interactive gamesfor students to do with their peers
or individually.
So it's a little like playground, adigital playground for them as well.
It's not just for students too.
She's also utilized it with teachers.
I used to put up her, animal camsin my instructional coaching room.
So when teachers walked in, theycould see like, you know, otters
(31:28):
swimming at the Monterey BayAquarium or, fish or whatever.
And, once again, not a fix for everything,but you could see some of the tension kind
of release in their shoulders when theysaw these different, things occurring.
So it's just a great space to use,with students and teachers and
even families.
Jake (31:43):
Yeah.
That's super cool.
And so who's, who said it's jamboard and more and more and more.
Who's, who's, who's
Amy (31:49):
Courtney.
Watson.
Jake (31:50):
Okay.
And Courtney's
Amy (31:51):
Watson,
Jake (31:52):
Um, I need to have
Courtney on the show as well.
so I'm hearing that and what you'resharing right now, because you couldn't
have done that or Dyann couldn'thave done that in in Jamboard, right?
I mean, there's no way
Amy (32:02):
No.
Jake (32:03):
can put links in there, I guess.
I don't think you could evenput like nice looking links.
You just paste the actualtext of a link in a Jamboard.
So in a Jamboard, we could puttext, sticky notes, pictures,
shapes, and we have some prettyrudimentary pen that's, that's
Amy (32:18):
Yeah, yeah, pretty much
everything you can do in a jam.
Yeah, that you can, and like I said,and then plus, plus, plus, and you
don't have to start from scratch.
If for people that are really usedto Jamboard and the ease of it
and how student friendly it was,when you first jump into FigJam,
it may feel like so much, but youdon't have to do all the things.
(32:39):
I love that FigJam gives me all thethings, but I can choose as an educator.
What things I want to use withstudents, but they have templates.
So you don't have tonecessarily start from scratch.
You can find templates that are alot of them created by educators for
educators, for teachers to kind of diptheir toes into the world of FigJam
to get familiar with it and thenstart to create, on their own as well.
(33:03):
So I love that there's a reallygreat template library that
they keep adding to, often.
Jake (33:07):
That's cool.
Okay.
So, so yeah, so you mentionedtimers, YouTube videos, Google
docs, dice, spinners, connect four,you can't do any of that in jam
board, you can do it in fig jam.
So those are just some examples ofsome things you could do in there.
do you, I don't know if you haveit in front of you right now.
Like what,
Amy (33:23):
I do.
Yeah.
Jake (33:23):
what are some of the other
things that, that we can add
that we can't add in a jam board?
Amy (33:28):
So one of my favorite, features
are their widgets and plugins.
They have a whole library of thingsyou can add in like stickers.
Of course, the templates like I talkedabout links, pictures, things like that,
but they have widgets and plugins and theway that Courtney, once again, the way
that she explains this is widgets are we.
Those are things we are going to usetogether as a class and plugins would
(33:51):
be like for the person just for you.
And so 1 of the widgets is aPolaroid camera that you can actually
layer into the FigJam and it's anactual old school camera Polaroid.
And when you click the red dotto take a picture, the photo
will fly out just like it did.
And the old school one, nohaving to shake necessary.
Jake (34:13):
I'm doing the motion.
That's
Amy (34:18):
Cause it's one of those
things that just engages students.
and that experience.
There's also a voice memo widget, whichmeans the teacher could record their
instructions and add it into a FigJamor students could use it to record
their voice to share their learning.
And like I said, we have yet to have toleave FigJam to go grab those two things.
(34:39):
They're all built in to the platformitself, which makes it really nice.
Jake (34:43):
Yeah.
So it really is your one stop shop.
I mean, so you're, you just shared audio,you shared video, you shared images.
So you said with video, youcould pull in from YouTube.
Can you record video in there?
Amy (34:55):
Um, I don't think so.
coming soon.
Jake (35:01):
coming soon.
Well, Figma, Figma, add that to
Amy (35:04):
ha ha ha.
Jake (35:06):
and folks, if you're listening
and you're like, Hey, I know there's
a widget or a plugin for that.
then tell us about it.
Tell us about it.
send in the, you know, the click thelink in the show notes and send in
a little voice memo and let us know.
And so if you can embed links andthings like that, you can go over
to screencastify or loom or whatever
Amy (35:23):
for sure.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Jake (35:25):
video.
And if
Yeah.
So, so really for the most part, trulyone stop one stop shop because you could
do so much and manage so many activities,a whole class period right in there.
Um, Does each fig jam, so you saidit's like an unlimited canvas and
you could build frames into it.
It doesn't have, it doesn'thave like multiple pages, right?
So if you wanted to use it repeatedlyfor multiple days in a row, you'd
(35:48):
kind of, they'd just be differentframes on the same canvas, right?
Amy (35:51):
Yeah, there's pages now.
You can add different
pages into it.
Yep.
Jake (35:53):
Oh, and those are, those are
completely separate, uh, canvas
Amy (35:57):
Uh, they're in the same?
file itself.
Yeah, same file.
Yep.
Mm hmm.
Jake (36:01):
Very cool.
Okay.
Yeah.
See,
I need to start playing with it more.
Um, so tell me about, access,like who can access, is it free?
Do students need accounts?
That kind of stuff.
Amy (36:12):
Absolutely free for
teachers and students.
And you just have to get in touch with,the FigJam crew, which they are fabulous.
The entire team is wonderful.
and they will help you With rosteringthose accounts, or getting you started
with that, and I know a Google single signon has been a thing with them for a while.
Microsoft is brand new asof this summer, I believe.
teachers can also share a FigJamwith students, like an open session
(36:36):
that's open for 24 hours, whichrequires no login, so it just
requires the kiddos to type in a name.
so that's an option as welltoo, but yeah, absolutely free.
Jake (36:46):
that 24 hour one, that's huge.
That's really cool that, because for meas a professional development provider,
that's one thing that I liked aboutJamboard is that I can go, Just send
out a link and I don't care if you'rea Microsoft person or a Google person,
or if you don't have an account witheither of them, or if your school doesn't
allow you to connect with people fromother domains, it worked with Jamboard.
(37:07):
And so it's good to know that FigJamhas a, an option that's like that.
Okay.
so the tool I'm going to share asmy answer, which I think is losing
currently because of some of that stuffyou just shared, is Padlet Sandbox.
So I'm a big Padlet fan.
and they released recently, I think, Idon't think it was a coincidence that the
(37:29):
summer that Jamboard was announced to begoing away that, Padlet announced Sandbox.
I don't think that was a coincidence.
but Padlet Sandbox isVery similar to FigJam.
The one main difference from FigJamis that Padlet Sandbox, is, frames,
they don't call them frames.
They call them, but it's like slides.
It really is a lot like a slideshow.
(37:49):
they call them cards.
Right.
So it's a, it's more ofa slide deck with cards.
Each card's that same rectangularshape that, you know, fits like a
video size or on your computer screen.
so it doesn't have that unlimitedness,which I actually, I a little bit like,
because I've been on some of these toolsthat are the infinite whiteboard canvas.
And I do feel.
People get lost on them.
(38:10):
Sometimes you're like, you're down therein the corner and you feel like you need
to come up this way, come up this way.
We're up here posting.
but I do think with fig jam, kidswill get used to it for sure.
They're kids,
Amy (38:21):
Yeah.
And they have real, a really cool like,menu of shortcut keys and like shift,
like you can click on like one tinylittle thing in the fig jam and do like
shift two and you'll, it'll zoom in
to that one particularspot, which is nice.
'cause I, yes.
Got very lost in it.
Jake (38:36):
Yeah.
So,
Amy (38:37):
initially.
Jake (38:38):
yeah, so they, so FigJam
has ways built in to make sure
that doesn't become an issue.
Padlet sandbox, it's not an issue becausethey're just frames, but you then lose the
infiniteness of the canvas, but you couldhave as many cards as you want, I believe
as many as you want, inside of yoursandbox, similarly to FigJam, you could
add just about anything you want intoit and a Padlet sandbox, images, GIFs.
(39:02):
links, you can link one slide, one card.
They, it calls it to another cards.
They've got examples on their siteof like, Jeopardy games or, who wants
to be a millionaire games using aPadlet sandbox, you click on the
answer and it either sends you to.
the next question, or it sendsyou to a wrong answer screen.
So just like the way you'd use Googleslides, you know, or a lot like that,
Amy (39:23):
could choose your adventure.
Kind of cool.
I
Jake (39:24):
yeah, you could totally do
choose your own adventure in there.
it's got all the things Jamboard has,draw, sticky notes, text, a pen tool, a
little like laser pointer tool that fadesaway after you do it, and shapes, which
is pretty much all Jamboard has, but like.
Fig jam.
It's got a whole bunchof other things too.
So I mentioned GIFs.
I mentioned images.
It's got everything thatPadlet has in it regularly.
(39:48):
like, you know, you click thatbutton to add and you could
record audio right there.
You could record video right there.
You could take a picture.
Take a camera or picturewith your webcam right there.
You could do a screencast rightthere, right inside of there.
So truly that kind of one stop shop thing,you could pull in stuff from Google drive.
You could do a poll, you could uploadthings, you could search for images.
(40:09):
You could have it.
Make an AI image for you.
You can give it some text andhave it record audio for you.
So it really can be a one stopshop for adding stuff into there.
Similarly to how fig jam can have you,have you played with it at all yet,
Amy (40:24):
haven't, we, we, yeah.
We use, Padlet often, atfriedtech for a lot of our pd.
We just worked one, oneyesterday, me and Courtney.
but I have not playedin their sandbox yet.
Jake (40:33):
Yeah.
And that's literally why theynamed it that, that, right.
You heard yourself say that plate.
I have not played in that sandbox yet.
And That's
why they named it that way.
Cause you're building in there,but it's also a collaborative
experience and it's meant to be.
To hopefully be somewhatplayful and fun inside of there.
it really, it's the menu whereyou add stuff feels just like
the menu in Padlet, right?
(40:53):
It's like the same button youclick and you get all those
options, which I think are all.
Have all been super easy to usein Padlet, and they're super
easy to use in a sandbox as well.
so that's super cool.
I think, the issue I alluded to already,is that FigJam is free for educators
and students, and there's a limited freeversion of it appears for everybody.
(41:14):
Padlet, that's not so much the case.
if you have a basic.
Free Padlet account.
You still have that limit, which formost people is three Padlets and a
sandbox counts to that limit too.
So you could, you can now havethree Padlets or sandboxes total,
you know, between the two of them.
(41:35):
so you can access them for free.
You just can't, you can'tmake unlimited ones for free.
And then you can archive oldones and make new ones still
counting with that limited three.
If you are on a paid version of Padlet,which I paid for using it for my PD,
because I think it's just so useful,regular Padlet, it comes included in
the paid account, no extra charge.
(41:56):
So those people who have a teacheraccount or maybe a personal individual
account or a school account to Padlet,you now have sandbox, no additional fee.
Um, I, I used to, I used toget mad about tools adding.
Fees like, like when Padlet added fees,I don't know if they were called Padlet
yet, or if they were called wallwisher,remember it was used to be called wall
Amy (42:17):
Oh my gosh, yeah, what a blast to the
past, Yeah.
Jake (42:20):
They were wall wisher at first.
I was reading something on their websitethat they started it as a plant, a place
to wish like happy birthday to somebody.
Like it was a wall for,it was a wall for wishes.
Amy (42:31):
Yeah,
Jake (42:32):
And I
Amy (42:33):
that's
Jake (42:33):
I think the creator
created it to like wishes, like.
I don't know, sister or something.
I'm just making that up.
happy birthday.
And then it became called wallwisher and then it became called
Padlet and somewhere in there, theystarted charging for it and that
at the time I was among the peoplewho were frustrated about it.
but now my belief is.
You know, sometimes you got topay for things for them to be good
(42:57):
things and to be secure things,and so that you're not the product.
And so there's not a whole bunch of,I don't know, a whole bunch of maybe
nefarious things in there or cookiesselling your data and things like that.
and for advertising purposes.
So I don't mind paying for things.
I know for teachers, thatcould be tough, though.
do you agree or do you feel thatway about paying for things?
Amy (43:19):
Yeah.
I I also agree with you when itcomes to the security aspect and
all that you want to make sure whateveryou're using is protecting you and your
students.
even if it's free, like, you want tomake sure that it checks all those
boxes and, and fig jam definitely does.
They have Maya who works for thecompany is a great 1 to connect
with when it comes to, you know,the FERPA COPPA, all those acronyms
(43:40):
that I think I'm saying incorrectly.
But, um,
uh, she can, she can.
She can assure you thateverything is, is good to
Jake (43:47):
Yeah.
The nice thing about FigJam
is they are a tool from Figma who I'venever actually used the actual Figma
platform, but it's a more robust, designtool, graphic design tool, I believe.
Okay.
Amy (44:02):
we, like, I always call Figma, like,
that's the, like, it's like the granddaddy
of this whole, that's like the, youknow, that's the big dog in this company.
And they've been around for a while.
Places like Spotify and Netflixutilize Figma, uh, design for like
user interface and user experience,like for prototyping, things like that.
and so not only can studentsuse FigJam, which is the.
(44:24):
online collaborative whiteboard.
They also have access to Figma foredu, which means students can start
to play in this space for free.
so like STEM classes, things like that,it really is a great tool to use with
students who are getting into that, youknow, prototyping and things like that.
I wish that I knew enough about it toget in trouble and to dabble into it.
(44:47):
one of these days I will, kind of explorea little bit further, but it seems pretty
Jake (44:51):
Yeah, I, and I think that's
that, like you wonder, like, or
you should wonder why is this free?
Right?
And so there, you know, like they havea tool that's paying the bills, right?
And that's the actual figma platform thatNetflix ain't using it for free, right?
Netflix
Amy (45:05):
Yeah.
Jake (45:06):
of money to use that.
And so figma has the money to do good andto have fig jam up there for education.
Also, you know, yeah.
To be honest, when we think about like,if you're not paying, you might be
in a way the product, because what'shappening here is they want you to become
comfortable and happy in their platformand want to then use Figma n maybe a
(45:26):
future career or something and pay for it.
And like, so that's,what's happening there.
And so I think it's important,not that that's bad.
but for us to think about like,what's happening here, you know,
like why is it, this is free.
And.
Jamboard is a perfect example ofthat because it was this small,
tiny entity within the biggestcompany in the world, right?
(45:47):
Google.
and so it was so easy for themto just like, I mean, it was just
such a tiny piece of their work.
It was free because Google was able to paythe bills, but also it was, Dispensable
because it was just a tiny, element of it.
So we've got to think about those things.
so yeah, so I think fig jam is agreat opportunity, a way to use it.
I'm going to go check out, thatdigital calming room just to see an
(46:07):
example of curating things, which Ithink I'm guessing a lot of people's
gears are turning in their headsabout, Oh, if she could curate a
set of things for a calming room.
What could I curate?
Right?
It could be the content for a lesson.
It could be, study resources for a unit.
It could be activities for whena kid is done with work early.
(46:30):
It could be a whole lot of things, right?
So it could make for a reallycool space, which again, you could
not have done in Jamboard likethat, which is not possible there.
Similarly, Padlet sandbox coulddo those same things, but most
likely with the price tag.
So, that's going to present anissue for a lot of teachers.
I will say two things thatI love about Padlet sandbox.
number one, they have breakout links.
(46:53):
So let's say I have a classof 20 kids and I want them to
separate into five groups of four.
I would make my Padlet sandboxhave five, five identical slides,
one for each group of four.
And then each of those slides has anindividual breakout link that if I right
click on it and get the breakout link,I could send it to just those kids and
that's the only slide they could see.
(47:15):
But I see them all together.
Amy (47:17):
Okay.
Jake (47:18):
like, imagine a slide show, like
we've all done this in Google slides
where you're like group one, you're onslide one group two, you're on side two,
except now in this breakout link form,they can't see the other group slides,
but you see them all in one place.
That's really
Amy (47:32):
Yeah, I think it's pretty cool.
Jake (47:33):
neat feature in there.
and the other feature that I'mexcited about in there, are that
the slides individually have theirown sharing settings, so I can
go, you could write on this slide.
Amy (47:43):
Mm hmm.
Jake (47:44):
you can't write
on this slide, right?
So there's some reallyprecise, editing options.
So I'm excited to playmore with both of them.
I'm excited to use both of themout, see what people think of them.
I'm excited to hear what theduct tapers think of the two
of them, which one they prefer.
I'm excited to hear the other ones theymentioned, cause we clearly haven't.
Haven't shared all of them.
Um, but yeah, yeah.
(48:05):
I think that we are going tofind that even though we're
sad, the Jamboard is gone,
Amy (48:09):
hmm.
Jake (48:10):
going to have some really
awesome things to use, in its,
Amy (48:13):
And I know that the listeners
won't hear this, like, this week,
but there is a big update happening
Jake (48:20):
to which one,
Amy (48:21):
this week to FigJam.
Jake (48:22):
Oh no, you can't.
You can't say it, but I shouldlink it in the show notes.
Is that right?
Amy (48:27):
I think Thursday
they're gonna release it.
Jake (48:29):
There we're
recording on a Wednesday.
And so you're sayingtomorrow, I'm going to
Amy (48:32):
Tomorrow.
Tomorrow.
Tomorrow.
May.
Yeah, I think.
I think it's tomorrow.
Jake (48:35):
I mean, we, if you know
what this is, Amy, we could just
pretend it's Friday right now.
Nobody will know.
I'm just teasing.
You have to say it.
Amy is clearly bound by a contractright now with a non, an ND, an NDA.
And on disclosure agreement,
Amy (48:52):
Yeah.
With Fig Jam.
Yeah.
Jake (48:53):
that NDA is acting up.
They're going to hear thisand go like Bravo, Amy.
Good job.
before we wrap up anything you wanted tothrow in about these two tools, anything
we missed, anything that is like, Oh,I forgot to say anything like that.
Amy (49:09):
No, I will just say that.
As an educator, the cool thing isyou get to choose what works best for
you and your students.
And some of you may love
FigJam and some may love something else.
And that's the beauty in what wedo is that we have that autonomy
to choose what we know is goingto best support our learners.
I know that if I was still in theclassroom, if I was still instructional
coaching, FigJam would be the tool.
(49:31):
That I would use every week, everyday, with students and teachers.
and like I said, for some, that may besomething different and that is okay.
that's the great thing about whatwe do as educators is we get to
choose what works best for us andit looks different for everybody and
that's okay.
Jake (49:46):
Yeah, 100%.
And that's what I like to remind folks of.
And that's why we had these conversations.
If there was one answer,
there wouldn't need tobe this podcast, right?
Like, because we would all just, Iwould just say like, here's the answer.
And then like the pocket, this is what you
Amy (49:58):
Here's what you have to use.
Jake (49:59):
don't even like, you don't
even hear us talk about it.
Cause you're using it.
I don't need to convince you.
but instead there's abunch of different options.
and they get to choose.
That's a really powerfulpoint that you would like.
There's not nobody won this discussionbetween me and you, Amy, because
either one could be the right answer.
And there are tools we didn'tsay that could be the right
answer so thanks for that point.
(50:20):
and thanks for joining me today.
That was a lot of
Amy (50:21):
yeah, thank you.
Yeah, I had fun too.
Jake (50:26):
Wow.
What an insightful conversation with Amy.
I always appreciate her passionfor innovative teaching and how
she supports teachers as theylearn about new technologies.
I especially enjoyed comparingfig jam and Padlet sandbox.
I had been worried about the vacuumleft behind by Google jam board.
And I thought there was goingto be nothing that was that
(50:46):
straightforward and easy and adaptable.
And I don't know, just such aperfect collaboration tool out there.
But after this conversation with Amy,I'm feeling pretty good about both
of these tools and I'm not sure ifyou can go wrong with either of them.
I think they're both pretty great.
so now I'm not so worried and I'm eager totry them out more with learners and with,
and professional developments as well.
So I hope you found as much valuein this conversation as I did.
(51:11):
Before we sign off, let's take aquick look at some ed tech news.
That's caught my attention.
First canvas new and improvedCanva magic media tool.
Now lets you generate images,icons, stickers, and illustrations.
Just by describing what you need.
It's a quick and easy wayto bring your ideas to life.
(51:31):
I don't even want to tell youhow long it took me to design the
educational duct tape podcast, logoand artwork back when I started.
But nowadays I could just ask Canvamagic media to make a logo that combines
a roll of duct tape, a wifi signal,and the colors, orange and blue.
And I bet it did make an evenbetter logo than I did and do
it in a fraction of the time.
(51:53):
I'm not going to try.
Because I'm afraid that I'llfind out that I'm right.
And I'm going to be so disappointedthat I put literally 12 hours into
the original logo or whatever.
so I don't even want to find out.
Moving on.
Padlet now automatically captions videosand audio uploads, making your content
and Padlet more accessible to all.
(52:14):
So whether you're in a noisyenvironment or supporting non-native
English speakers or supporting hardof hearing learners, this feature
ensures everyone can follow along.
Now I should point out whileautomated captions are always
super convenient because it'sdone automatically and quickly.
They're rarely 100% accurate.
(52:34):
And at this point, they haven't addedthe ability to edit those captions.
At least not that I'm aware of.
Hopefully that comes later, butstill, this is a great addition and
improves accessibility and it makesthe learning experience more equitable.
If you're using Padletwith videos or audio.
Well, just like how my wifeeventually helps my kids find their
(52:57):
blue underwear or their toothbrush.
It's time to find the end of this episode.
She's still waiting for thatmagical kid requests system.
But luckily today's sponsor visormakes managing it issues in schools,
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