How do we make tech processes easier for students—and teachers—to follow? In this episode, I chat with Courtney Watson from friEdTechnology about strategies for creating clear, bite-sized tech instructions using tools like Scribe, iorad, Canva, and Adobe Express. We explore ways to lower the cognitive load and boost confidence in tech-rich classrooms. Plus, I share new feature updates in Book Creator, Padlet, and NotebookLM that support accessibility, flexibility, and efficiency.
#EduDuctTape Episode 125
0:00:00 INTRO
0:02:59 Today's Guest: Courtney Watson
Courtney is a Google Certified Educator/Trainer and Lead Learning Guide at friEdTechnology. She is passionate about equipping all learners with the necessary tools to help them become successful and ensuring they have fun while learning. #TechWithoutTears
Contact Info: https://tiktok.com/@techwithouttears, https://x.com/cmwatson2010, https://bsky.app/profile/cmwatson2010.bsky.social, courtney@fried.tech, https://www.linkedin.com/in/cmwatson2010/
0:04:58 Two Truths & One Lie
0:11:36 Today's #EduDuctTape Question: Bite-Sized Instructions
0:12:58 Scribe
0:16:14 Mark Twain Quote
“I didn't have time to write a short letter, so I wrote a long one instead.”
0:18:26 iorad
0:20:16 Comparing Scribe and iorad
0:25:24 TikTok Style Videos in Canva or Adobe Express
0:27:57 Courtney's Screencasting & Adobe Express Method
0:29:21 How far we've come with screencasting
0:32:59 Potty PD or Copier PD
0:37:02 NotebookLM
0:38:36 NotebookLM for Canvas and Schoology
https://blog.google/outreach-initiatives/education/ai-tools-education-2025/
0:39:57 NotebookLM Plus
https://blog.google/outreach-initiatives/education/ai-tools-education-2025/
0:41:20 Padlet’s “Clear Posts” Feature
https://padlet.help/l/en/article/ma9aogqsme-how-do-i-delete-all-posts-at-once
0:43:27 6. BookCreator Adds Text-to-Speech in Edit Mode
https://bookcreator.com/2025/02/feature-update-text-to-speech-for-text-and-pdfs
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Jake (00:00):
What do Scribe Canva and Adobe Express have in common?
They all help us do one thingbetter: make clear, concise,
short instructions for tech tips.
In this episode, I chat with CourtneyWatson from Fried Technology about
building bite-sized directions fortech tools so students and teachers
can learn how to do something ontheir computer and learn it quickly.
(00:21):
Plus, I've got some updates onnew features in Bookcreator,
Padlet and NotebookLM.
Let's get into it.
Welcome, welcome in.
Welcome everybody.
Thank you so much for tuningin to today's episode of The
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Educational Duct Tape Podcast.
It is May 29th, 2025.
I cannot believe I'm saying thatit makes me feel really old.
It makes me feel like I might be inBack to the Future 4, or something
like that, 2025 and the school year
for most of us, at least thoseof us in the States, uh, is
about to end or just ended.
It is bonkers, crazy, and I don't knowabout you guys, but my time lately
(01:04):
has been bonkers, crazy busy, uh, withend of the school year stuff going on.
Um.
Yeah, so I appreciate during thisbusy time that you're still tuning in.
You're still listening.
It's about to be summertime formost of you, and you are still
learning so that you can do awesomethings for the learners that come
through your schools and classrooms.
Thank you so much for doing that.
Speaking of being really busy most of youprobably know that last week I didn't air
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a regular episode as I normally would.
Last week was supposed to bean updates and soapbox episode.
Couldn't quite get one out in time.
So what I did was I aired an appearanceI had on the State of Ed podcast.
About a month back was theoriginal episode of that.
And then last week airedit here on the feed.
I hope you listened.
I hope you enjoyed it.
I really enjoyed talking to Nickand Marc on that episode of really
(01:49):
great questions and thinking anddiscussion, and I had a great time.
So I hope you enjoyed listening.
I do hope to be back next week with asoapbox and updates episode, uh, like
I was supposed to have done last week.
Today we've got a guest, the awesomeCourtney Watson and some tech updates.
And next week we will havea soapbox moment I hope.
And some updates as well.
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Be sure to share it with friends and besure to plug me in your headphones and
take me to the beach, Or the campgroundsor the pool, or the hiking trails or
the baseball fields, or wherever you'regoing this summer, take me along with
you in your ears, because I will keepthe show going for most of the summer.
(02:29):
I'll take a little break in themiddle of the summer, I think.
Uh, but by then you, you'll be anepisode behind or something like that
because something came up and you won'teven notice that I took a week off.
So, stay subscribed so youdon't miss any of those episodes
that come up over the summer.
Uh, because I'm gonna keep coming to you.
There's lots of stuff to talk aboutand I have lots of information to share
and lots of support I wanna provide.
So I'm gonna keep onkeeping on with the show.
(02:51):
Speaking of keep on, keeping on,let's keep on keeping on with today's
episode and jump into today's interviewwith the awesome Courtney Watson.
Today's guest is Courtney Watson.
Courtney is a Google certifiededucator and trainer and lead
learning guide at Fried Technology.
(03:14):
She is passionate about equippingall learners with the necessary tools
to help them become successful andensuring they have fun while learning.
And you could find her on social media@TechWithoutTears on TikTok or search
for her content on the other socialmedias with the hashtag #TechWithoutTears
or on other platforms including x and
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Bluesky and LinkedIn, youcould find her @CMWatson2010.
All of that will be in the show notes,but more importantly than what's in the
show notes is what's in the podcast.
It's actually Courtney.
What's up Courtney, how you doing?
Courtney (03:46):
I am good.
How are you?
I'm so excited to be here,
Jake (03:49):
I am doing great.
I'm glad to have you on.
I, you and I have known each other, raninto each other at conferences for, I
don't know, five or six years maybe.
So it's, it's great to see, to, to connectand finally have you on the podcast.
Courtney (04:00):
I finally made it.
Jake (04:02):
Finally made it.
You are, this is the season offried technology because you
are, I think, the third friedtech person to be on the podcast.
that's when you know you'vegot an amazing team, right?
Courtney (04:12):
Hey, I'll take it.
Jake (04:14):
You guys are doing,
Courtney (04:15):
I love those girls.
Jake (04:16):
yeah, you guys are doing the stuff over there.
Don't leave Darryl out.
You love those girls and Darryl
Courtney (04:20):
you're
right.
Don't forget about Darryl.
Jake (04:22):
Those girls, and Darryl , but you guys are doing great stuff over there.
How long have you been with Fried Tech
Courtney (04:27):
Uh, this is year four.
Jake (04:29):
year four Nice.
Courtney (04:30):
up on my anniversary in June.
Jake (04:32):
Okay.
Nice.
Well, happy, happy anniversary.
Courtney (04:35):
we are.
Jake (04:36):
By the time this is airing, it's almost anniversary week.
I hope they all have abig celebration for you.
There's a whole countdown.
Courtney (04:43):
I'll make sure I send that to Boss Amy and
Jake (04:45):
Yes.
Boss, boss, Amy.
Jake says we need a fourthanniversary celebration.
Um, buy me a car.
Courtney (04:52):
Yes.
There we go.
Let's do it.
Jake (04:53):
Let's do it.
I will take a Land Rover, please.
Okay, so now that we're gigglingand goofing around about, your cars,
we're gonna giggle and goof arounda little bit more with a game.
Courtney, are you up for a game?
Courtney (05:04):
Sure.
I love games.
Jake (05:06):
Nice.
Okay.
We are gonna start with a gameof two truths and one lie.
Uh, as listeners to the show know,you will give me three statements.
I will get confused about what I haveguessed and what I have not guessed.
I'll get it wrong.
I'll not realize I've gotten it wrong.
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I'll botch the game in all sorts of ways,but I'll tell you what, it's definitely
gonna be smoother than when your friendShantel was on from Fried technology.
I don't know if you've listened,but Shantel told me two
lies and one truth, I guess.
Courtney (05:40):
Not on purpose, but yes.
Jake (05:42):
I think she said that she had driven herself to Florida, but she meant to
say California or something like that.
I don't even know.
I was like, how did you mix up the state?
She's like, I don't know.
Courtney (05:52):
Yeah.
Jake (05:52):
So you'll beat Shantel for sure, but Shantel had so much wisdom
to share in the episode, so wegive her a free pass on that one.
Okay.
Are you ready with your statements?
Courtney (06:00):
I am ready.
Jake (06:01):
right, here we go.
Courtney (06:03):
Alright, so I went with, 'cause this was, you know, it's
hard to get down to these and so I'mlike, what can I say on a podcast?
And it won't.
Anyway,
Jake (06:11):
Okay.
Courtney (06:12):
here's what we decided on.
One of my current coworkers servedme drinks AKA was my bartender, um,
at Cheddar's in Beaumont, Texas.
Um, my dog, Cute black Cocker Spaniel, isnamed after a famous luxury brand chanel,
because I'm so obsessed with the brand
Jake (06:30):
Okay.
Courtney (06:30):
and I think I'm gonna go with, I started my teaching career, at the
same school that I attended middle school
Jake (06:38):
Oh
Courtney (06:38):
with the same principal and many of my same teachers.
Jake (06:41):
That would be impressive because like, I feel like middle school's,
principals, they're like, afterfive years they're like, I'm out.
Courtney (06:47):
Yes,
Jake (06:47):
do this anymore.
I'm out.
I'm done.
Um, I had a cocker spanielgrowing up and he was all black.
His name was Black Star.
He was the best dog.
No, I don't tell, don't tell him.
My current dog, that BlackStar was the best dog.
I just have such fond memoriesof Black Star as a puppy.
They're like shaggy ears.
Courtney (07:01):
Mm-hmm.
Jake (07:01):
And everything on a Cocker Spaniel?
Cocker Spaniel's are so cute.
Courtney (07:03):
Super cute.
Jake (07:04):
Um, okay, my, if you, if you maybe do, who knows?
Um, my guess is that is the,is the last one is a lie.
Your, um, you, you might have workedat the same middle school, but there's
no way that principal was still there.
Courtney (07:20):
All righty.
And that would be incorrect.
Jake (07:22):
Oh, no way.
Courtney (07:23):
Indeed, Mr. Hardiman was my sixth, seventh, and eighth grade
principal, and then he actuallyhired me for my first teaching job
Jake (07:31):
Wow.
Wow.
Um, do you know how longhe was principal there?
Courtney (07:34):
Oh, golly.
Oh, more than more than 15 years.
Jake (07:38):
Yeah.
At least.
Yeah.
Um, and then what did you teach?
Middle school.
Courtney (07:42):
Uh, English.
English and reading.
Jake (07:44):
Nice.
Okay.
All right.
And, uh.
Courtney (07:46):
words and dyslexia
Jake (07:47):
All things words.
Courtney (07:48):
That's always my introduction.
Jake (07:50):
Okay.
All right.
So that's not the lie.
Okay.
But we learned a little bitabout Courtney, so that's good.
That was beneficial.
Um, I don't think yourdog is a cocker spaniel.
I think it's a, I'm gonna go extraspecific for, this is bonus points,
if I guess the correct breed.
Um, I think it's a Pomeranian.
Courtney (08:07):
All righty.
So, no.
I do have a Cocker Spaniel
Jake (08:12):
Okay.
Courtney (08:12):
is black,
Jake (08:13):
Okay.
Courtney (08:14):
his name is not Chanel.
Jake (08:15):
okay.
Courtney (08:16):
His name is Louis V.
Jake (08:18):
Another luxury brand.
Courtney (08:20):
And that, so that piece was the lie.
Um, and the reason I love it is'cause the story behind it is my
husband thinks he's very clever.
And, uh, so for my birthday,Louis just turned three.
Jake (08:30):
Okay.
Courtney (08:31):
three years ago, my birthday's in April, um, we had
been to the Louis Vuitton store.
He, my
Jake (08:36):
No.
Courtney (08:36):
saw a
Jake (08:37):
know where this is going.
Courtney (08:38):
Yeah, I saw a purse and he, he said something about it
Jake (08:40):
Okay.
Courtney (08:41):
Um, a little bit of time goes by, he said, oh, yeah, I ran into so
and so, um, in Market Street at LouisVuitton, and I, in the back of my head,
I didn't out hear the rest of that story.
I'm like, oh, he went back to the store.
This is, I'm getting my purse.
Jake (08:54):
Okay.
Courtney (08:54):
he had to go out and pick it up.
We did brunch that day and then, um, hehad to go pick up my gift, I should say.
Jake (08:59):
Mm-hmm.
Courtney (08:59):
And so, uh, he came back home and he walked in the door and
I'm looking for my little gold bag.
And he walks in holdinga little cocker Spaniel.
I said, what's that?
And he is like, it's your birthday gift.
And a black cocker spaniel, like theblack purse I thought I was getting.
His name is Louis V. Thank you.
Jake (09:15):
That's not the right Louis V
Courtney (09:17):
Yeah, I did get my purse by Christmas that year
Jake (09:21):
Thank you.
That was my next question.
Courtney (09:23):
but, and also I do love that, I mean, I love Louis
more than probably most people.
Jake (09:27):
I'm sure
Courtney (09:27):
like dogs, dogs have that way of converting you.
Jake (09:30):
so, so much better than a purse.
I would prefer to have a cockerspaniel over a purse for sure.
Courtney (09:35):
Here's what should have happened.
Get the dog, put him in the purse.
Happy birthday.
Jake (09:41):
Happy birthday.
That now that's a gift right there.
All husbands right now aretaking notes like Uhhuh Uhhuh.
Okay.
All right.
I'll, I will do that now when he'sin trouble, do you call him Louis?
Courtney (09:53):
Uh, no, but he does get his full name.
Jake (09:55):
He gets his full name.
Courtney (09:56):
Louis V. Watson.
Jake (09:57):
Louis V. Watson, that isn't middle initial.
I love that.
his full name isn'tVuitton, Louis Vuitton.
It's Louis V.
Courtney (10:04):
No.
Yeah.
Jake (10:06):
That's awesome.
He sounds adorable.
And what was the first one?
What was the one I missed?
Courtney (10:09):
was my current coworker served me drinks or was my bartender.
Jake (10:12):
who was that?
Courtney (10:13):
and that's Amy.
Jake (10:14):
No way.
Courtney (10:15):
why I always say boss Amy.
'cause you know, I call,uh, Amy Storer is my work
Jake (10:18):
Work wife.
Okay.
Courtney (10:19):
boss Amy, and work and wife Amy.
But yeah, so Amy and Iare from the same area.
Jake (10:23):
No way.
Courtney (10:24):
area.
We're uh, uh, kind of likeeast Southeast of Houston.
Jake (10:28):
Okay.
Courtney (10:28):
but at any rate, we graduated high school around at
the same, you know, same year
Jake (10:32):
Okay.
Courtney (10:32):
worked at Cheddar's.
I lived in Beaumont, like I said, Itaught there for the, my first six
years and we went to Cheddars a lot.
Jake (10:38):
Mm-hmm.
Courtney (10:39):
We decided that it has to be true that she was my bartender
because she worked there with hertwin sister, um, for several years.
So, yeah.
Jake (10:47):
I'm not sure if I've been to a Cheddar's in Texas or not before.
I'm trying to rememberif I've ever been there.
I definitely never had Amy as a bartender.
I think I would know if I,because I, because I wasn't going
there before she was doing thewhole fried technology thing.
So if I walked in and fried tech
amy was back there behind thebar pouring me my tall draft.
I'd be like, what?
Courtney (11:06):
go.
Whatcha
Jake (11:08):
That, that would be my two truths and one lie
statement for sure right there.
Uh, that's amazing.
That's fun.
Um, yeah.
Crazy.
All right.
So now that we know who at FriedTechnology is a former bartender and
the name of your dog, and all of thesesuper important things, we're going
to get into some actual educationaltechnology, which I like to think
is what the listeners tune in for.
(11:29):
They might be tuning in tohear the guests play the game.
I'm not sure.
Or me mess up the game and get it wrong.
those might be the thingsyou're listening to.
Possibility, yes.
But we're going to do what's calledan educational duct tape question.
And for the listeners that are justhere to hear about Courtney's dog,
I've gotta explain to them what aneducational duct tape question is.
It is a question that an educatormight ask in order to solve a goal
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or, address a need in their classroomor solve a problem in their classroom
or address a learning standard.
They have a question and technologyis the answer to that question.
Technology is the tool that supports them
in doing that, it's not always the answer,but in these situations it is the answer.
So this one that I'm gonna ask you,Courtney, is a bit of a throwback because
this is kind of how I got my start ineducational technology I was involved
(12:15):
in presenting a little bit locallyand at my school and stuff like that.
But what kind of started me on apath to podcasting and stuff like
that was I used to make littlegifs and post them on social media.
I called them EduGIFs,and they were just like
Courtney (12:27):
You did.
Jake (12:27):
30 to 40-second clips of like, this is how you, I don't
know, share a file in Google Drive.
Right?
Because that was the kind of thingswe had share about back then.
So I always call thosebite-sized instructions.
I liked that somebody didn't haveto watch a 10 minute or 20 minute
long video to learn something.
They saw it in like 40 seconds.
So I've always liked bite-sizedinstructions like that.
So if you were sharing maybe with yourcolleagues or something like that, here's
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how you use Snorkl, or here's how youuse the new features in Google Slides, or
here's how you use a Canva spreadsheet.
'cause they've got those now.
Um,
Courtney (12:57):
Exciting.
Jake (12:58):
and you wanna go like, here's a one minute instructions for you.
How are you sharing thoseone minute instructions?
Courtney (13:04):
so a couple different ways, but the first way that comes to mind,
probably one of my favorites is scribe.
Jake (13:11):
Aha.
Okay.
I'm glad you brought this one upbecause I have seen Scribe around, but
I haven't used Scribe, so I'm reallyinterested to hear you talk about 'em.
Courtney (13:18):
So, and similar to the, like the way you said you were making your EduGIFs,
Jake (13:21):
Mm-hmm.
Courtney (13:22):
was doing the same thing.
I was that person.
I wasn't just like, it's notlike I knew any kind of magic.
I just didn't mind clickingaround and trying things out.
So people would always come and ask me
questions and so how do you, how doyou, and so I'm like, you know what?
Instead of me having to go andshow this every single time,
I would open up Google Slides.
And then open up.
If I was showing them how tosign into canvas, let's say
Jake (13:41):
Mm-hmm.
Courtney (13:41):
I'm gonna open Canvas, take a screenshot, paste it over into Google
Slides, add a text box, type in theinstructions, and then rinse and repeat.
Rinse and repeat.
Jake (13:50):
Yeah.
Courtney (13:50):
It would take, not, not a long, long time, 'cause I didn't mind
it like, you know, 30 minutes, maybean hour depending on how long, but I
made so many of those little tutorials
Jake (13:58):
Yeah.
Courtney (13:58):
that's where Scribe comes in and it wow's people's brains,
Jake (14:03):
Yeah.
Courtney (14:03):
if they have to do something like that.
If you're in charge of sharing thingswith, whether it's teachers or students,
um, what I used to do in 30 minutesor an hour, you can do in scribe,
literally less than a minute or two,
Jake (14:15):
Yeah.
Courtney (14:16):
So you open.
Whatever I wanna show.
I said I was gonna show youhow to sign into Canvas.
Jake (14:21):
Okay.
Courtney (14:21):
say that because that was our LMS.
You open that up.
Scribe is a, Chrome Extension
Jake (14:26):
Yeah.
Courtney (14:27):
So you click on Scribe, it lives right beside you.
Now it just stays, opens up an open alittle sidebar, and you click record.
then you just go through your steps.
You don't have to talk by default.
I talk out loud
Jake (14:37):
Yeah.
Courtney (14:38):
an only child.
It's, it's just what I do.
Jake (14:40):
Here.
Courtney (14:41):
to
Jake (14:41):
Here you go.
Courtney.
You're gonna click over here,Courtney, and then go ahead and
type it in right there, Courtney.
Right.
Courtney (14:46):
But yeah, so it's like you click here, you open this, da, da, da.
So, but as you are clicking scribe, itis just recording what you're doing.
Jake (14:54):
Nice.
Courtney (14:54):
just go through the 5, 6, 10, 12 steps and then click end, and
it's gonna open up a Google Document
Jake (15:01):
Mm-hmm.
Courtney (15:02):
That has screenshots and written instructions, little highlighted pieces
on, if you clicked on file, it's gonnahave a little circle highlighting file.
Jake (15:11):
Nice.
Courtney (15:11):
You can edit the instructions if you need to, or you can leave them as is
Jake (15:14):
Right?
Courtney (15:15):
I use the free version.
Lemme go ahead and throw that out there.
It is one of those freemium options,but I've only ever used a free version.
And the one, the one limit for us thatwe found with the free version is you
cannot edit the images that it takes.
But if it one of the steps youdon't need, I can hit delete.
That's totally fine.
like I said, you can change, editthose instructions at the top.
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It'll even tell you how many,like how long it took you.
Jake (15:38):
Mm-hmm.
Courtney (15:39):
12 clicks.
34 seconds to make
Jake (15:42):
Mm-hmm.
Courtney (15:43):
you get a share link, and then you can share that out
Jake (15:45):
Nice.
Courtney (15:45):
add it to, you can embed it anywhere.
So like, again, if you use theLMS, if you're making instructions
for students or whatnot, you canembed it on a page in your LMS too.
Jake (15:53):
Now, does that share as a Google doc then?
is it a doc or is itlike on their website?
Courtney (15:56):
it lives on a little page.
Jake (15:58):
Hmm.
Okay.
Courtney (15:59):
page.
Mm-hmm.
I
Jake (16:00):
So.
Courtney (16:00):
in a Google Doc, I guess it's not technically a Google Doc,
Jake (16:03):
It has that feel.
Courtney (16:04):
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Jake (16:05):
here's what I really like about that.
So I like to say, when I created thesegif back in the day, it probably was
very similar to your process withcreating those Google slideshows
that had the screenshots and stuff.
Um, it reminds me of this quote that Iused to quote that came from Mark Twain.
And he said something to the effectof, if I had more time, I would've
written a shorter letter, right?
Because doing something that's shorterand clearer and concise takes a
(16:28):
lot of time to make happen, right?
So when I used to make mygifs, I used Camtasia for them.
I would spend an hour, maybe moreper gif for something that people
were gonna watch for 40 seconds.
Because if I had tried to make it in 40seconds, it would've been garbage, right?
So I had to take a long time toreally go through and editing it.
The same thing happens, I'msure with your slideshow.
(16:50):
You wanted to create something that wasreally clear, concise, short, succinct,
so it took you a long time to go, okay,yeah, I need this screenshot, and I need
to, how do I write these words to describethis so it's as short as possible?
How do I make this as clear as possible?
The alternative back in the daywas recording like a Screencastify
video, which is a great tool, butyou're doing that, you're like.
Talking as you go through it andyou're like, I'm gonna click over here.
(17:11):
Hold on, let me wait for that to load.
Uh, it'll load right up here in a second.
It's gonna be right here in a second.
You end up with like a 10 minute longvideo for something that could have
been two minutes, because that wasjust how long it took you to do it.
so now this tool, maybe it takes youfive or 10 minutes to go through that
login process, but it goes like, hereare the important pieces and parts.
Uses like AI to do that for you, whichis what I was doing with Camtasia
(17:34):
and which you were doing with yourslideshows, but we were doing it manually.
So it makes this really short, clear,concise thing in the time that it
takes you to go through the process.
Now the difference is when I was usingCamtasia, for example, to make those
gif back in the day, it would take mefive to 10 minutes to record the thing
and then 45 to 50 to edit it, right?
(17:55):
So that's what I'm doing is I'm spendingthat five or 10 minutes recording.
But I'm no longer doing the editing'cause Scribe is doing that part for me.
Would you agree that'skinda how it's working?
Courtney (18:03):
Exactly.
Jake (18:04):
Yeah.
That's nice.
Courtney (18:05):
just, I just, I get a little happy feeling in my heart when I think
about it and when I share it with people,because I just like, you know, the time
that it would take, to make it happen.
And you just went like, click,click, click, click, tada!
Jake (18:18):
Ta.
Here it is.
And they're like,Courtney, you're a genius.
And you're like, I know
Courtney (18:22):
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Jake (18:23):
I am.
That's amazing.
this reminds me of, um, I, Ithink it's pronounced Iorad.
Have you used Iorad
Courtney (18:30):
That's another,
Jake (18:31):
before?
Courtney (18:31):
one that we'd like that we in Iorad, uh, we used
before we, before Scribe.
Jake (18:36):
Mm-hmm.
Courtney (18:36):
Um, we got that one from Darryl.
Jake (18:37):
Mm-hmm.
Courtney (18:38):
Um, and the difference, I think with, I say difference,
but it doesn't make it better.
But Iorad, you can, make it like video.
you can do that voice piecewith it if you want to.
So it's a, but it's another go.
And it works is it works very similarlyas just as you just kind of go about the
process of what you would normally do, andit's just kind of recording your screen
as you're making those things happen.
Jake (18:57):
Yeah.
What I like about iorad is that.
You can, if I remember correctly, onceyou're done, the viewer can look at
it in a couple different ways, right?
They could go through like a clickable,like it's called like a, kinda like
a slideshow tutorial that's not trulyslides, but you like click the next arrow
to get to the next step or see it all inone or see it kind of as a video, right?
Courtney (19:17):
Yeah, you're right, I'd forgotten about that version where you
can, um, it, you have to do the steps.
So it's like if , in my instructions, ifI was gonna say click file, then click
next, they will have a, a stopping point
Jake (19:30):
Yeah.
Courtney (19:30):
button they have to physically click.
They
Jake (19:32):
Oh
Courtney (19:32):
click next, but if they click anywhere on the screen, it would do it.
But the idea is they
Jake (19:36):
yeah.
Courtney (19:37):
motions of doing it and then they can leave your tutorial
and go into and do it themselves.
Jake (19:42):
Yeah, I remember that.
'cause they have to actuallykind of mimic doing it.
So it's kind of like aninteractive tutorial.
Yeah.
Which is cool.
The issue with Iorad, this is not a bigproblem, but the free version, everything
you make is public, on the free version.
So if you want it to be private and onlyhave it go to the people you want it to go
to, then you have to be on a paid version.
I do know that's an issue with it.
(20:02):
Not a huge deal.
But if you're showing something inyour learning management system,
that's gonna be a problem because thenyou're potentially showing student
names and things like that on there.
You don't want that to be a public link.
You want that to be a private link.
You can't do that on the free version.
You can only do that on the paid version.
So that's an issue.
but what made you guys switch to Scribe?
Or why do you like scribe better?
Courtney (20:19):
Um, we still use both.
Jake (20:21):
Okay.
Courtney (20:22):
so at fried we do, professional development in person face-to-face, and
we also have Fried online asynchronous.
Courses.
And so for the asynchronouscourses, I think, Iorad is still
used a lot and it's super helpful.
Again, just because you get that,that I actually get a chance to kind
of walk myself through the steps.
For me personally, I justhappen to like scribe because it
(20:43):
creates these great big images.
and like I said, it has little,just short, here are the steps.
Navigate to click onthe left hand toolbar.
Um, very, very short and quick.
Jake (20:53):
Yeah.
Courtney (20:53):
I noticed that a few people.
I feel like I had to remindpeople over and over again,
you're not actually doing it.
So if it was the, if this was, I openedup one of my scribes to find one, so I
did one on How do you upload documentsfrom Google Drive directly into Canva?
Jake (21:08):
Okay.
Courtney (21:09):
if I had done that in Iorad and put it in a training.
Jake (21:11):
Yeah.
Courtney (21:12):
Somebody's gonna click on the Iorad and then they're
like, my document's not in there.
Jake (21:16):
Yeah.
Courtney (21:16):
didn't actually do it, you were just going through the steps.
And so I just, I found myself saying,no, no, no, that's just a practice one.
So now go do those samesteps in your own account.
Jake (21:25):
This isn't my document.
I know it's my document.
Courtney (21:29):
and it's not in your, it's not in your drive.
Okay.
Alright.
Jake (21:31):
All right.
Okay.
Nice.
I think that's it's good to mention that.
It doesn't really matter which oneyou use between the two of 'em, it's
which one addresses your goal better.
sometimes you gotta get in there,experiment with them and decide
which one's a better fit for
you and the audience that you'resending this out to , and the format
that's gonna work best for them?
I think they're both really greatoptions because like I said with my
(21:52):
GIF recording earlier, both of themtake out that 45 minute editing time.
It's literally just you performthe task and then the tool makes
it a tutu tutorial for you.
it's not gonna replace things likeyour, like you guys at Fried have some
great, like screencasts and thingslike that and, and videos on your
YouTube channel and things like that.
Or that go into the coursesand things like that.
(22:12):
It's not gonna replace those.
'cause those are like professionallymade, you know, this is for
your like, really quick.
Like, I need my, I'm not tryingto get YouTube famous on this,
so I'm trying to just tell mycolleagues how to do this thing.
Right.
Courtney (22:24):
'em, you know, we tend to call things by food names,
but it's those little nuggets,
Jake (22:28):
Little nuggets.
Courtney (22:29):
to folks.
Right.
Just really quick, clear,right to the point.
if you need a little bit more,then you know, come on over.
We
Jake (22:35):
Yeah.
Courtney (22:35):
we
Jake (22:35):
Yeah.
More?
Courtney (22:36):
you know, we can, we can dig in,
Jake (22:37):
Yeah.
Courtney (22:38):
we can get a chicken sandwich, but sometimes you
just need a chicken nugget.
Jake (22:41):
Okay.
I want to go to Chick-fil-Aand get nuggets and a sandwich.
I actually want both becausethey're just different somehow.
Courtney (22:49):
yeah, yeah,
Jake (22:50):
What's your preferred dipping sauce for your nuggets?
Courtney (22:52):
Uh, at Chick-fil-A, I need, uh, the sweet and spicy
sriracha, the Chick-fil-A sauce.
'cause I do a little mixture ofthem both and I need a little
barbeque sauce for my fries.
Jake (23:02):
Oh, okay.
I did not know that that was gonnabe such an interesting answer
Courtney (23:07):
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Jake (23:07):
I took a little aside.
Um, yeah, I think itdepends on where I'm at.
Like, I, like my kidsare really into cane's.
Cane's is okay.
I think the cane sauce is pretty good.
Normally
Courtney (23:16):
the cane sauce is what sells Canes.
Jake (23:18):
that's what's cane's?
Okay.
Courtney (23:19):
That's about it.
Jake (23:20):
Other, other.
Courtney (23:21):
And I love a good crinkle fry.
Jake (23:22):
Crinkle.
They do have good crinkle fries.
Yeah.
Um, otherwise I go in ranch normally.
Courtney (23:25):
Mm-hmm.
Jake (23:26):
Honey mustard's okay.
In a pinch.
Um, I, I'm really going deep on this.
If I'm at Zaxby's, I think Iprobably want maybe Buffalo.
Courtney (23:35):
See, and we don't have as, I don't have a zaxby's close by me, and so
Jake (23:38):
We don't either.
Courtney (23:38):
it once.
I'm a ranch girl too,
Jake (23:40):
Yeah.
Courtney (23:40):
not for.
Not for my chicken, not for my chicken.
Not for my nuggs.
Jake (23:43):
Not very chicken.
Okay.
Courtney (23:45):
McDonald's old school, just to throw it out there, because a few months
ago, I don't go to McDonald's that often.
Jake (23:51):
No.
Courtney (23:51):
I go every now and then.
And I said, you know what?
I think I want some nuggets.
I just wanna be like a littlekid, gimme a happy meal.
And I asked for my hot mustard.
Jake (23:58):
Yes, that's
Courtney (23:59):
don't sell that anymore.
Jake (24:00):
don't.
Courtney (24:01):
And I, and they, now, this was this one location.
I was
Jake (24:04):
Hmm
Courtney (24:04):
So
Jake (24:04):
hmm.
Courtney (24:04):
I didn't go back.
Jake (24:05):
They don't.
Courtney (24:06):
just recently went this week and I said, and again, I was like, okay,
well I guess I'll do barbecue sauce.
I said, what other sauces do you have?
And he started to list themand he, I said, hot mustard.
Jake (24:16):
That's the one right there.
Courtney (24:18):
but
Jake (24:19):
Yes, hot,
Courtney (24:19):
it.
Jake (24:20):
hot mustard is the one there.
I also don't, don't typicallygo to to McDonald's, but if
I was getting some nuggets atMcDonald's hot mustard for sure,
Courtney (24:26):
Has to be.
Jake (24:27):
that'd be the way to go.
But yeah, I've actually got a bottleof the sweet and spicy Sriracha,
Chick-fil-A sauce upstairs.
Courtney (24:33):
really?
Jake (24:35):
nah, that's some good stuff.
Courtney (24:36):
too, it's again, I told you I just had a birthday.
It is, it's hitting me kind of hard,so I can't have too much of the spicy.
I heard you, you asked like,do I do 'em at the same time?
So I don't like swirl them
Jake (24:45):
Mm. Okay.
Courtney (24:45):
want a little bit of the spicy, sweet and spicy.
And then I'll give my Chick-fil-A sauce.
We
Jake (24:50):
I see.
Courtney (24:51):
in here.
You, like you said, we did go deep
Jake (24:52):
We sure did.
That was a little.
Courtney (24:54):
information.
If you ever wanna take eitherof us to Chick-fil-A, you have
Jake (24:57):
You need to know what sauces are you getting?
Jake and Courtney need these sauces.
They're gonna knowexactly what to order for.
I can't wait for somebody to takeus to take us to Chick-fil-A.
Courtney (25:06):
we go.
This is happening.
Jake (25:07):
we're gonna realize it's Sunday.
And we don't even get Chick-fil-A.
Oh no, we gotta go somewhere else.
We gotta go to McDonald's.
They better have hot mustard sauce.
Okay, so let, so if we're making nuggetsof technology wisdom, we're either
using Scribe or we're using io a. Anyother options you'd throw in there?
Courtney (25:24):
Um, I would, of course you can't go wrong too.
We're just a little quick like.
say TikTok style video.
Jake (25:31):
huh.
Courtney (25:31):
and so for those I probably would lean towards like
either Canva or Adobe Expressvideo I have the apps on my phone.
and of course, like we mentioned, doinga quick little screencast, which is just
gonna take a little more time on your end
Jake (25:45):
Yeah.
Courtney (25:46):
to create it, but so the making a little short video, using one
of those kind of one of those tools,Canva, Adobe Express video or a Loom
or a Screencastify to make it happen,
but shortening it down.
I think what it is, I joke thatthe longer you teach, the more
you get to be like the students.
Jake (26:02):
Yeah,
Courtney (26:02):
so it has to be short.
Jake (26:04):
yeah.
Courtney (26:04):
I think about, my husband was outta town and we needed the
light, I don't know what it's called.
The little light came on, it wastime to officially switch the filter,
Jake (26:11):
Mm-hmm.
Courtney (26:11):
um, in the refrigerator, and I was like, I can do this.
So I went to YouTube, I'm searchingfor videos, and the first one I found
with my, you know, refrigerator typeand everything was 10 minutes long.
Jake (26:22):
Nope.
Courtney (26:23):
I, I do not need, it will not take me 10 minutes to
be a refrigeration repair woman.
Jake (26:28):
No, you can do it.
You need three,
Courtney (26:29):
minute
Jake (26:30):
three minutes max.
Courtney (26:31):
like, I can do this.
So yeah, I just think, but we've,I think we all have, you know,
the, those shorter attention span.
So it's gotta be something, like yousaid, a little 30 second, one minute
clip, that'll walk people through.
So, yeah, so
Jake (26:41):
Yeah, so I think if you're doing, if you're doing it in something
like Screencastify or Loom, thatif you're in the free version, you
don't really have an editor option.
Like if you're in paid versions inthe, well, in Loom you might have an
do you know in Loom if you're in thefree version, you have an editor.
Courtney (26:53):
you used to, because Loom had the education version
Jake (26:57):
Yeah.
Courtney (26:57):
so I think.
I think so.
I think you're good in
Jake (27:00):
Yeah.
So somebody hit us up and let us know.
you gotta tell us what's your favoritesauce for nuggets and can you edit videos
in the free version for Teachers of Loom?
But I, if you can't, I, my pointwas, if you can't edit it, that means
you gotta practice first, right?
You've gotta, you've gotta essentiallyrun the Screencast without pressing
record two or three times to getit, really get yourself really fine
(27:21):
tuned in there so you could be quickand then you could record it, right?
And that's how you make a quick one.
Courtney (27:25):
That's how you used to have to do
Jake (27:27):
Yeah.
Courtney (27:27):
And so, but now my version, 'cause the other side of this too,
especially talking to teachers andwanting them to be comfortable.
It doesn't have to be a production.
Jake (27:36):
Yeah.
Courtney (27:37):
nine times outta 10.
Your students would rather see youand and hear your voice 'cause we, you
think like, oh my gosh, I sound so weird
Jake (27:43):
Mm-hmm.
Courtney (27:44):
I look, I look weird.
I said, I clicked thatpart doesn't matter.
Jake (27:48):
Yeah.
Courtney (27:49):
more when it, when they see you versus even if you found
a great little tutorial on YouTube
Jake (27:53):
Yeah.
Courtney (27:53):
they relate more to you.
but it doesn't have to be a production.
So we have to get out of our heads.
So what I do
Jake (27:59):
Mm-hmm.
Courtney (28:00):
I'll take one of those screen casting tools,
but I don't record the voice.
Jake (28:04):
Okay.
Courtney (28:04):
So I just go ahead and , record the screen, record the clicks, and
then that's where, so it's, you kindof double up and then that's where
the Adobe Express video comes in.
Jake (28:12):
oh, okay.
So if you're using Adobe Express,where are you recording first?
Courtney (28:16):
I will record, if I record, I'm saying if I use Screencastify or Loom
Jake (28:20):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Courtney (28:20):
I'll just, I'm recording my tutorial on, how
do you resize a Google slide.
Jake (28:25):
Okay.
Courtney (28:26):
So I'm gonna just open up my Google slide, open
up Screencastify, hit record.
Jake (28:30):
Mm-hmm.
Courtney (28:30):
I'm gonna record myself going through the steps,
Jake (28:32):
Mm-hmm.
Courtney (28:33):
export my video, and then drop it over into Adobe Express,
Jake (28:37):
then you just talk over it.
Courtney (28:38):
now's got a record your voice with your camera if you want it, but then
I have the editor piece in there so Ican go and I, I, I click something wrong.
Boop, cut it out.
Jake (28:49):
Yeah,
Courtney (28:50):
So,
Jake (28:51):
a good tip, A good pro tip there.
So if you're using Canva or AdobeExpress, because they're such similar
tools, you are most likely recordingsomewhere else, or is that just one
of the ways you, you'd approach that?
Just of
Courtney (29:00):
the ways, especially if I need the Screencast piece,
Jake (29:04):
Yeah.
Courtney (29:05):
I will record somewhere else and then drop it over there.
Jake (29:07):
Yeah.
Courtney (29:08):
if I'm recording and just kind of walking through some steps, or if
I'm using like a slide deck or somethingI've created and just kinda walking
through the steps, I can just, I'll doit right there and start with program.
Jake (29:16):
right?
Yeah, right there in the program.
It's, it's crazy how many optionswe have nowadays, like nowadays.
Courtney (29:20):
So many!
Jake (29:21):
Yeah, I remember back in the day, you know, like early on in the days of
this podcast, for example, talking aboutscreencasting, and it was like, well, you
could use this one, this one, or this one.
That's it.
And I could even say like, if youhave this kind of computer, use this.
If you have this browser, use this.
But nowadays, it's like there'sso many things like use what
you like, which is great.
(29:41):
Your choice is good.
Courtney (29:42):
And the other thing I just thought about that I, meant to mention
too, even just your phone, like again.
You're not trying to be a YouTuberso I told you I was an English
teacher but I also got out for alittle while and I was a CTE teacher.
Jake (29:54):
Oh, okay.
Courtney (29:55):
so I was back in a, we were in a computer lab.
I had, 30 kids
Jake (29:58):
Mm-hmm.
Courtney (29:59):
and most of our things were kinda like projects that
they were doing on the computers.
And so even though we didthe same things over and over
Jake (30:06):
Mm-hmm.
Courtney (30:06):
miss, how do I turn this in on Canvas?
How do I do?
So what I wanted to do was make littleshort videos, throw them into a place
where they could always go and get those.
we call it cloning yourself.
Jake (30:17):
Yeah.
Courtney (30:17):
So instead of me having to say it 30 times, I just made a video:
go watch me over and over again.
Jake (30:20):
Go watch that video.
Yeah.
Courtney (30:22):
but it, again, I don't, I didn't have to be sitting at my desk.
You can.
This little trusty,
Jake (30:27):
Yeah.
Courtney (30:28):
phones that we have, right?
one of my, if you will, my, my YouTubemoments, my TikTok moments, one of
my most viewed tiktoks is a stylewhere I just held my phone up and
recorded myself, you know, clicking.
I did a little bit of editing,
Jake (30:42):
Yeah.
Courtney (30:42):
know, inside of TikTok.
But then, boop, there we go.
Jake (30:46):
Yeah.
Courtney (30:47):
And so
Jake (30:48):
Yeah, that's, that's a good point.
I think, so I'm a bit of a perfectionist.
and that's hard, that's hard for me to do.
but the thing we have to keep inmind is anytime with technology
is like, what's your actual goal?
Um, and if your actual goal isjust to explain how to turn in
that project on Canvas, you don'tneed a perfectly edited video.
You just need it to be shortenough that they could watch it
quickly so they don't tune out.
(31:10):
Your goal is.
To get through the steps and have it beset up so that the kids or whoever your
audience is, will actually watch it.
Right.
So it can't be 10 minutes 'causethey're not gonna watch it
for 10 minutes, to your point.
but it doesn't have to be perfect.
It could just be holding yourphone up in front of your
computer while you click on stuff.
As long as it's short and clearand concise and effective.
It doesn't matter how perfect it is.
And to your point,
Courtney (31:30):
You don't have to be fancy,
Jake (31:31):
you just have
Courtney (31:32):
to be helpful.
Jake (31:33):
don't have to be fancy to tell.
What if We wanna befancy and helpful though.
Courtney (31:37):
You can,
there are times for it.
There are times,
Jake (31:40):
I'm just a little bougie.
Okay.
I just wanna be fancy sometimes.
Courtney (31:44):
That's when you get, then that's when you get to go play
with like a cap cut and add in some
Jake (31:47):
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
Courtney (31:48):
and things like that.
And,
Jake (31:49):
Yeah.
Courtney (31:50):
sorry, I cut you off.
You were gonna say, I'm
Jake (31:51):
No, that's good.
I, no, I love it.
That's a good point.
But I think, yeah, we have to remember,you don't, it doesn't ha unless you
want it to be perfect for some reason,you, it doesn't have to be perfect.
It just has to be effective.
That's all that matters.
Courtney (32:02):
Yep.
Jake (32:02):
that matters.
Well this is a lot ofgreat wisdom, so, okay.
So we could use Scribe or iorad, whichare gonna kind of automagically, turn
it into a, something for our audience orour viewers or our students to look at.
we could use a thing like,Screencastify or Loom.
and record there and share straightfrom there, which is super nice.
we could hold our phone up andrecord directly from our phone.
(32:23):
Maybe edit that video.
Maybe not.
Maybe just drop it in GoogleDrive and send it out from there.
We could make them in Canva or AdobeExpress, either with a video we recorded
elsewhere, and then add some stuff too, ordepending on what we're trying to do, we
could just record it through their tools.
That's a lot of options.
We've just given people there.
Courtney (32:40):
Plenty of options.
And then the other, thehow do you share it?
Jake (32:44):
Right.
Courtney (32:45):
That's my thing.
Jake (32:46):
Yeah.
Courtney (32:46):
we said, yes, I can throw it in an email.
but I was all about housingit in one good place.
Jake (32:51):
Mm-hmm.
Courtney (32:51):
So if you have an LMS, here's the how-to page . I used to use Wakelet.
Jake (32:56):
Yep.
Courtney (32:57):
I use, I use one link,
Jake (32:58):
Yep.
Courtney (32:59):
and then one of my favorites that I I miss it so very much.
I was a potty pd, girly.
And, um, it's, it's not gross, I promise.
We had sheet protectors and thingslike that, but that was another way
to get out that bite-sized little tip
Jake (33:12):
Yeah.
Courtney (33:13):
for lack of a better description, you had a captive audience.
Uh, were, and I say, I always tell people,if you've ever been to a restaurant
and they have like that calendar.
On the back of the door.
And if people are like, ohyeah, I was like, see, it works.
Jake (33:26):
You know when the Beatles cover band is playing at that restaurant you
saw while you were in the bathroom?
Courtney (33:29):
have to come back in two weeks.
So, so that was another,but that's the same way.
So I wouldn't make theselittle short videos.
we had, like my old district, we werea district, so we had a canvas campus
page, but we had a page whereeverybody knew they could go back.
But if they had seen something onpotty pd, there were, there might be
a little bit longer fancier version.
If they went into thethe Canvas page where I
Jake (33:50):
Right?
Yeah.
Courtney (33:50):
Maybe gave the steps on the low potty pd.
Jake (33:52):
Yeah.
I wonder too, like the first twotools, iorad and Scribe, you probably
could print those and even just hangthose up in, in the, in the stalls.
The bathroom stalls.
While people are stalling,
Courtney (34:04):
and you know, there's copier or potty PD where, you
know, where teachers tend to hangone of those places, so you can
do copy if, if you feel a little bitbetter, you can always do Copier PD
Jake (34:14):
you feel feel awkward about the potty PD or learning on the loo?
I've heard people call.
Courtney (34:18):
Yeah.
Who is it?
I think uh, I think it was Kathi.
I always mess up herlast name, so I call her
Jake (34:22):
Oh, okay.
Kathi K, yeah.
Kersznowski.
I believe I'm, I've never pronounced it infront of her face for her to tell me it's
wrong, so I'm guessing it's Kersznowski.
Courtney (34:30):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I think she was the onethat kind of got that going.
But I used to love it.
It was, I'll say this, becareful with your potty PD again,
I, I mentioned I'm an only child
Jake (34:38):
Okay.
Courtney (34:38):
but, um, so I tend to use myself as
examples with like pictures and things,
Jake (34:41):
Okay.
Courtney (34:42):
And so when I first was
showing remove.bg, so
Jake (34:44):
Okay.
Courtney (34:45):
a while
Jake (34:46):
Yeah.
Courtney (34:46):
um, I used a picture of me sitting on a couch and I went and got
the actor Idris Elba, who's gorgeous,and I removed the background so he could
be sitting on the couch next to me.
And a coworker, uh, waslike, Hey, Courtney.
It's a little bit awkwardhandling my business, and I
look over and I see your face.
I said, I didn't think about that.
I apologize.
I'm so
sorry.
Jake (35:06):
Listen, I can see a screenshot of Canva while I'm in the bathroom.
That's fine, but if my colleague'sface is there, that's gonna bother me.
Courtney (35:14):
it's a little bit
too much.
I'm, I said Okay.
Jake (35:16):
Okay.
so noted,
noted.
I will no longer put picturesof myself in the bathroom stalls
Courtney (35:21):
So funny.
Jake (35:22):
Idris Elba.
Okay, fine.
He could be there, but you can't Courtney,
Courtney (35:25):
we don't, I don't
know him in person
Jake (35:28):
right?
Courtney (35:28):
So yeah.
Jake (35:29):
He, he's not silently judging me while I'm in the bathroom.
Courtney (35:33):
So
Jake (35:34):
are some great tips, Courtney.
Thanks for all of this.
So I, I love that we've gota lot of different Angles.
We could take this approach dependingon what we think is gonna work best
with our staff and what works bestfor us to create the content and I
think now you've taught us that weall need to go check out your TikTok
to see the videos that you're postingthere to see some of these samples.
So folks that the, link toCourtney's TikTok is in the show
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notes, as are all of her other.
Social media links, you could hit her upon there and ask for pictures of her dog.
Louis V. think we're all gonna need tosee pictures of Louis v. Gonna have to
be posted, so reach out to her on there.
but thank you so much forbeing on today, Courtney.
This was great.
Courtney (36:08):
Well, thank you for having me.
I'm again, I was trying not to
say Super excited.
but
Jake (36:12):
Super excited.
It was super exciting.
Thanks for being with us.
I had a great time havingCourtney on the show.
I hope that you enjoyed it as well.
She had so much wisdom to share.
I did not know anything about Scribe, tobe honest and very little about Io Rad.
And she taught me more about both andher ideas about using some of the other
tools like Adobe Express and Canva.
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Uh, really awesome as well.
So I hope you enjoyed it.
I hope you learned a lot.
I hope that you're gonna go follow her.
But before you followyourself out of this episode.
That was a weird pun there, Jake.
Let's get into some edtech updates and news.
First up, let's talk about something thatI haven't heard anyone talking about.
Actually, I hear no one mentioningthis, so I figured I should
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put it out into the universe.
There are two.
Premium applications ofNotebookLM that came out recently.
So we all know NotebookLM the toolfrom Google that lets you upload
your own materials, think (37:06):
research papers, standards, slide decks,
YouTube links, textbook chapters,
articles off the internet and turn theminto eerily realistic podcast episodes.
It's amazing.
Most folks actually don'trealize it, but you can ask it
questions, you can get summaries.
You can even generate things likestudy guides or discussion questions
(37:28):
there in NotebookLM most peopleare just using it for the podcast.
Understandable, because it's amazing.
But it has these other features too.
And I dunno if you're aware, but there'snow even an interaction option with
the podcast where you can enter intothe podcast and talk to the hosts.
I'm using air quotes here 'causeyou are, I guess talking, but
you're not talking to actual people.
(37:49):
But it sure does feel like it.
If you haven't triedit, you should try it.
And the best part, everythingcomes with inline citations.
So you're not just taking AI'sword for it, it's actually saying
this is where in the resources yougave me this information came from.
That grounding in your own sourcesmakes a huge difference for educators.
And I often use that podcast feature.
(38:10):
Uh, I take a bunch of dry prep materialsthat I need to go through for an upcoming
meeting or presentation or something, andI turn into a podcast style audio overview
that I could listen to in the car.
I just upload Google Drive andplay it from the Google Drive app.
And that helps me kind of go throughthat information, in those passive times
while I'm driving or something like that.
It really is like a self-made PD sessionon my commute based on something very
(38:33):
specific that I need to think about.
But here's the new pieces.
First.
Google's Gemini tools, whichinclude NotebookLM, are starting
to integrate directly into LMSplatforms through something called
Gemini LTI, that's an acronym.
I forget what it stands for.
You don't need to know what itstands for, but Google's Gemini LTI.
(38:56):
So far it means that Canvas and Schoology.
I'm supposed to say their full namesCanvas by in infrastructure, and I forget
what I'm supposed to say with Schoology.
I'm just gonna call 'emCanvas and Schoology.
Okay.
Um, but imagine in Canvas and Schoology,your students being able to interact
with AI generated content groundedin your course materials inside
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the LMS that they're already using.
So I don't have to leavethe Lt LMS to get to it.
Uh, that could be really powerful.
Now, it's unclear to me if all Canvasand Schoology users have this, or only
folks on certain Canvas and Schoologyplans, or only folks on Canvas or
Schoology that also have a certain paidlevel of Google for Education plan.
(39:41):
So it's possible thatnot all of you have this.
I'm not sure if you do have it.
Or maybe if you're a Canvas or Schoologyuser and a Google for Education user
and you don't have it, I'd love tohear that too, either way, so that
I know who has it, who doesn't.
And if you do have it, I'd love tohear about how it's working for you.
Now, the other premium featurefrom NotebookLM is NotebookLM Plus.
(40:02):
It's a new premium version of Notebook.
LM obviously costs you some money,it gives you higher usage limits.
Yes, that's nice.
We could do more things more often.
Right now you're capped tohow many you can make a day.
I think it's two.
But this also gives you analytics,Sharing features, and more customization.
So if you're a professor, let's sayat a college, you can upload your
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course materials and give your studentstheir own personalized AI guide.
If you're in IT, you could buildout a knowledge base for your whole
institution to reflect back on andlisten to, and, and interact with.
That flexibility and scale
could be a game changer for higher ed andlarge K to 12 districts or small ones too.
I think the sharing and customization,those are what's big for me,
(40:49):
at least for myself in my role.
If it allows me to modify parts of thepodcast that it auto generates and then
share a link to it for others to accessit, 'cause currently you have to download
it and upload the drive or something likethat, if it allows me to share that link
for people to access it, that is awesome.
So I'm curious, have you tried either ofthese premium options with NotebookLM?
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If you have, I'd loveto hear how it's going.
Hit me up at speakpipe.com/eduDuctTapewith a voice message for the
show or post it on social mediawith hashtag #EduDuctTape.
All right.
Here's a quick one, but superhelpful if you're a Padlet user,
especially on the free plan.
So Padlet recently addeda clear posts option.
(41:33):
It does exactly what it sounds like.
It wipes all the posts from aPadlet board so you can reuse it.
Without having to delete itand recreate the whole thing.
This is clutch.
If you're on the free version and you'vehit that cap on the number of padlets
you're allowed to have on the free plan,so you could start it from scratch, get
rid of all the posts on it, reuse it.
(41:53):
It doesn't have as a newboard, it's the same board.
It's just free and clear of all ofthe content that used to be on it.
So use it with your first period class.
Hit the clear post button, use itwith your second period class one
Padlet used twice, and the informationdoesn't repeat throughout it.
Now.
Here's the catch.
First of all, it's only availablefor the board creators or for
admins to, um, Padlet plans.
(42:14):
And once you hit that clear button,there's no going back so you clear it.
You can't undo that.
Actually, you have to type ina little code to do it just to
confirm that you really mean it.
So those posts are gone for good.
So definitely use thisfeature with caution.
Now, here's a pro tip.
If you want to be extra safe and youwant a record of that board before you
(42:34):
clear it, there's an option in Padletto export a Padlet board as a PDF.
So I would recommendexporting as A PDF first.
That way you have a record of everythingthat was set on that board, nice
way to archive it, and then hit thatclear post button to get rid of all
of it, to find the option to do it.
Open your Padlet, hit thethree.menu and choose clear posts.
(42:55):
You'll be asked to enter a verificationnumber, as I mentioned, just to
make sure that you really mean it.
Uh, one note I should point out,this feature isn't available at
least yet on Padlet sandboxes,so it's available on all Padlet
boards, but not on Padlet sandboxes.
So if you're in a Padlet sandbox,I guess you'll have to clear those
elements manually, piece by piece.
But any other Padlet board,click that clear post button.
(43:18):
So, have you tried it?
Have you used this to reset aboard to avoid, uh, going over
your free Padlet plan limit?
If you have, let me knowif it's working for you.
Here's an update that might fly underthe radar, but I think it's special
to highlight because it's great foraccessibility and literacy and just
better student support across the board.
(43:40):
Book Creator now supports text tospeech in edit mode and in PDFs.
Now some of you are probablythinking, uh, Jake, didn't it
already have text to speech?
Well, you're not wrong.
It did have text to speechand it does, but until now,
it only worked in read mode.
So when you're reading the book, butnot when you're writing the book.
(44:01):
So in that mode, it readthe entire book aloud.
That was super helpful.
Sure.
Uh, but not very flexible.
And it's not everywhere that thekids could use that reading support.
This new update lets students listento individual text boxes, shapes with
text in them, and even imported PDFsall while they're still in edit mode.
(44:23):
They just click a little speakericon under the element and it reads
that section out loud with wordhighlighting as it goes, and that
shift from full book playback.
In read mode to selective in themoment, read aloud even when editing,
I think is a game changer, especiallywhen we consider kids using it
(44:43):
to proofread their own writing.
So they write it and then they haveit, play it back for them right
then and there so they could hear itbefore they're done with everything.
Think about your multilingual learnerstrying to decode a set of instructions
or a student with dyslexia reviewinga paragraph they just wrote, or even
just a middle schooler who insiststhat their paragraph is perfect.
(45:04):
Until they hear it, that read aloudmoment often reveals things that
their eyes missed and it's availableto all users, which is great.
Now, one part is only available forpremium users, and that's using text
tope inside of PDFs, so you can uploadPDFs into your books and have them read
aloud if you're on the premium plan.
(45:24):
If you're not on the premiumplan, the PDFs can be in there.
They just won't be read aloud.
Students on premium plans can use thescan for text feature to make that happen.
Then have the document read to themdirectly inside of the project.
So yes, digital worksheets, textbookpages, articles just became way more
accessible inside Book creator two.
(45:45):
Also this is scaffolding that can scaledown as needed so teachers can turn the
feature off when it's no longer necessary.
Uh, I would not recommend doing that.
I'm a universal design for learning guy.
I think it's, if it's best for some, it'sbest to have there available for all.
But if you prefer to have Texas speechoff, it is an option to turn it off.
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And there are also settings to adjustvoice and speed for how it's read as well.
And one last thing, if you're alreadyusing speech to text in book creator,
so speaking into it and having ittyped for you, this closes that loop.
'cause students can now dictatetheir ideas into the book and then
listen back to self-check and revise.
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That kind of feedback cycle buildsboth confidence and independence
in our learners as writers.
So have you tried the new text tospeech feature in edit mode yet?
Is it making a difference inhow your students read or write?
I'd love to hear your take.
Okay.
That does it for today.
Thank you so much for tuning in.
Thank you for everythingyou do for your learners.
Thank you for still showing upand tuning into the show in early
(46:49):
summer when a lot of folks arejust checked out and that's fine.
Relax, enjoy your summer,take a break, but you are.
Extra dedicated in listening.
I appreciate that.
For the folks that take the summer offand turn off their education brains,
I respect that too, and I'm happyfor them that they're doing that.
But I appreciate you tuning in.
I hope you continue to do so.
(47:10):
I hope you're subscribed to the show sothat you don't miss an episode because I
plan to be back in your earbuds next week.
See you guys.
What do Scribe Canva and Adobe Express have in common?
They all help us do one thingbetter: make clear, concise,
short instructions for tech tips.
In this episode, I chat with CourtneyWatson from Fried Technology about
building bite-sized directions fortech tools so students and teachers
can learn how to do something ontheir computer and learn it quickly.
(00:21):
Plus, I've got some updates onnew features in Bookcreator,
Padlet and NotebookLM.
Let's get into it.
Welcome, welcome in.
Welcome everybody.
Thank you so much for tuningin to today's episode of The
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Educational Duct Tape Podcast.
It is May 29th, 2025.
I cannot believe I'm saying thatit makes me feel really old.
It makes me feel like I might be inBack to the Future 4, or something
like that, 2025 and the school year
for most of us, at least thoseof us in the States, uh, is
about to end or just ended.
It is bonkers, crazy, and I don't knowabout you guys, but my time lately
(01:04):
has been bonkers, crazy busy, uh, withend of the school year stuff going on.
Um.
Yeah, so I appreciate during thisbusy time that you're still tuning in.
You're still listening.
It's about to be summertime formost of you, and you are still
learning so that you can do awesomethings for the learners that come
through your schools and classrooms.
Thank you so much for doing that.
Speaking of being really busy most of youprobably know that last week I didn't air
(01:26):
a regular episode as I normally would.
Last week was supposed to bean updates and soapbox episode.
Couldn't quite get one out in time.
So what I did was I aired an appearanceI had on the State of Ed podcast.
About a month back was theoriginal episode of that.
And then last week airedit here on the feed.
I hope you listened.
I hope you enjoyed it.
I really enjoyed talking to Nickand Marc on that episode of really
(01:49):
great questions and thinking anddiscussion, and I had a great time.
So I hope you enjoyed listening.
I do hope to be back next week with asoapbox and updates episode, uh, like
I was supposed to have done last week.
Today we've got a guest, the awesomeCourtney Watson and some tech updates.
And next week we will havea soapbox moment I hope.
And some updates as well.
(02:09):
Be sure to subscribe to theshow in whatever app you prefer.
Be sure to share it with friends and besure to plug me in your headphones and
take me to the beach, Or the campgroundsor the pool, or the hiking trails or
the baseball fields, or wherever you'regoing this summer, take me along with
you in your ears, because I will keepthe show going for most of the summer.
(02:29):
I'll take a little break in themiddle of the summer, I think.
Uh, but by then you, you'll be anepisode behind or something like that
because something came up and you won'teven notice that I took a week off.
So, stay subscribed so youdon't miss any of those episodes
that come up over the summer.
Uh, because I'm gonna keep coming to you.
There's lots of stuff to talk aboutand I have lots of information to share
and lots of support I wanna provide.
So I'm gonna keep onkeeping on with the show.
(02:51):
Speaking of keep on, keeping on,let's keep on keeping on with today's
episode and jump into today's interviewwith the awesome Courtney Watson.
Today's guest is Courtney Watson.
Courtney is a Google certifiededucator and trainer and lead
learning guide at Fried Technology.
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She is passionate about equippingall learners with the necessary tools
to help them become successful andensuring they have fun while learning.
And you could find her on social media@TechWithoutTears on TikTok or search
for her content on the other socialmedias with the hashtag #TechWithoutTears
or on other platforms including x and
(03:34):
Bluesky and LinkedIn, youcould find her @CMWatson2010.
All of that will be in the show notes,but more importantly than what's in the
show notes is what's in the podcast.
It's actually Courtney.
What's up Courtney, how you doing?
Courtney (03:46):
I am good.
How are you?
I'm so excited to be here,
Jake (03:49):
I am doing great.
I'm glad to have you on.
I, you and I have known each other, raninto each other at conferences for, I
don't know, five or six years maybe.
So it's, it's great to see, to, to connectand finally have you on the podcast.
Courtney (04:00):
I finally made it.
Jake (04:02):
Finally made it.
You are, this is the season offried technology because you
are, I think, the third friedtech person to be on the podcast.
that's when you know you'vegot an amazing team, right?
Courtney (04:12):
Hey, I'll take it.
Jake (04:14):
You guys are doing,
Courtney (04:15):
I love those girls.
Jake (04:16):
yeah, you guys are doing the stuff over there.
Don't leave Darryl out.
You love those girls and Darryl
Courtney (04:20):
you're
right.
Don't forget about Darryl.
Jake (04:22):
Those girls, and Darryl , but you guys are doing great stuff over there.
How long have you been with Fried Tech
Courtney (04:27):
Uh, this is year four.
Jake (04:29):
year four Nice.
Courtney (04:30):
up on my anniversary in June.
Jake (04:32):
Okay.
Nice.
Well, happy, happy anniversary.
Courtney (04:35):
we are.
Jake (04:36):
By the time this is airing, it's almost anniversary week.
I hope they all have abig celebration for you.
There's a whole countdown.
Courtney (04:43):
I'll make sure I send that to Boss Amy and
Jake (04:45):
Yes.
Boss, boss, Amy.
Jake says we need a fourthanniversary celebration.
Um, buy me a car.
Courtney (04:52):
Yes.
There we go.
Let's do it.
Jake (04:53):
Let's do it.
I will take a Land Rover, please.
Okay, so now that we're gigglingand goofing around about, your cars,
we're gonna giggle and goof arounda little bit more with a game.
Courtney, are you up for a game?
Courtney (05:04):
Sure.
I love games.
Jake (05:06):
Nice.
Okay.
We are gonna start with a gameof two truths and one lie.
Uh, as listeners to the show know,you will give me three statements.
I will get confused about what I haveguessed and what I have not guessed.
I'll get it wrong.
I'll not realize I've gotten it wrong.
(05:27):
I'll botch the game in all sorts of ways,but I'll tell you what, it's definitely
gonna be smoother than when your friendShantel was on from Fried technology.
I don't know if you've listened,but Shantel told me two
lies and one truth, I guess.
Courtney (05:40):
Not on purpose, but yes.
Jake (05:42):
I think she said that she had driven herself to Florida, but she meant to
say California or something like that.
I don't even know.
I was like, how did you mix up the state?
She's like, I don't know.
Courtney (05:52):
Yeah.
Jake (05:52):
So you'll beat Shantel for sure, but Shantel had so much wisdom
to share in the episode, so wegive her a free pass on that one.
Okay.
Are you ready with your statements?
Courtney (06:00):
I am ready.
Jake (06:01):
right, here we go.
Courtney (06:03):
Alright, so I went with, 'cause this was, you know, it's
hard to get down to these and so I'mlike, what can I say on a podcast?
And it won't.
Anyway,
Jake (06:11):
Okay.
Courtney (06:12):
here's what we decided on.
One of my current coworkers servedme drinks AKA was my bartender, um,
at Cheddar's in Beaumont, Texas.
Um, my dog, Cute black Cocker Spaniel, isnamed after a famous luxury brand chanel,
because I'm so obsessed with the brand
Jake (06:30):
Okay.
Courtney (06:30):
and I think I'm gonna go with, I started my teaching career, at the
same school that I attended middle school
Jake (06:38):
Oh
Courtney (06:38):
with the same principal and many of my same teachers.
Jake (06:41):
That would be impressive because like, I feel like middle school's,
principals, they're like, afterfive years they're like, I'm out.
Courtney (06:47):
Yes,
Jake (06:47):
do this anymore.
I'm out.
I'm done.
Um, I had a cocker spanielgrowing up and he was all black.
His name was Black Star.
He was the best dog.
No, I don't tell, don't tell him.
My current dog, that BlackStar was the best dog.
I just have such fond memoriesof Black Star as a puppy.
They're like shaggy ears.
Courtney (07:01):
Mm-hmm.
Jake (07:01):
And everything on a Cocker Spaniel?
Cocker Spaniel's are so cute.
Courtney (07:03):
Super cute.
Jake (07:04):
Um, okay, my, if you, if you maybe do, who knows?
Um, my guess is that is the,is the last one is a lie.
Your, um, you, you might have workedat the same middle school, but there's
no way that principal was still there.
Courtney (07:20):
All righty.
And that would be incorrect.
Jake (07:22):
Oh, no way.
Courtney (07:23):
Indeed, Mr. Hardiman was my sixth, seventh, and eighth grade
principal, and then he actuallyhired me for my first teaching job
Jake (07:31):
Wow.
Wow.
Um, do you know how longhe was principal there?
Courtney (07:34):
Oh, golly.
Oh, more than more than 15 years.
Jake (07:38):
Yeah.
At least.
Yeah.
Um, and then what did you teach?
Middle school.
Courtney (07:42):
Uh, English.
English and reading.
Jake (07:44):
Nice.
Okay.
All right.
And, uh.
Courtney (07:46):
words and dyslexia
Jake (07:47):
All things words.
Courtney (07:48):
That's always my introduction.
Jake (07:50):
Okay.
All right.
So that's not the lie.
Okay.
But we learned a little bitabout Courtney, so that's good.
That was beneficial.
Um, I don't think yourdog is a cocker spaniel.
I think it's a, I'm gonna go extraspecific for, this is bonus points,
if I guess the correct breed.
Um, I think it's a Pomeranian.
Courtney (08:07):
All righty.
So, no.
I do have a Cocker Spaniel
Jake (08:12):
Okay.
Courtney (08:12):
is black,
Jake (08:13):
Okay.
Courtney (08:14):
his name is not Chanel.
Jake (08:15):
okay.
Courtney (08:16):
His name is Louis V.
Jake (08:18):
Another luxury brand.
Courtney (08:20):
And that, so that piece was the lie.
Um, and the reason I love it is'cause the story behind it is my
husband thinks he's very clever.
And, uh, so for my birthday,Louis just turned three.
Jake (08:30):
Okay.
Courtney (08:31):
three years ago, my birthday's in April, um, we had
been to the Louis Vuitton store.
He, my
Jake (08:36):
No.
Courtney (08:36):
saw a
Jake (08:37):
know where this is going.
Courtney (08:38):
Yeah, I saw a purse and he, he said something about it
Jake (08:40):
Okay.
Courtney (08:41):
Um, a little bit of time goes by, he said, oh, yeah, I ran into so
and so, um, in Market Street at LouisVuitton, and I, in the back of my head,
I didn't out hear the rest of that story.
I'm like, oh, he went back to the store.
This is, I'm getting my purse.
Jake (08:54):
Okay.
Courtney (08:54):
he had to go out and pick it up.
We did brunch that day and then, um, hehad to go pick up my gift, I should say.
Jake (08:59):
Mm-hmm.
Courtney (08:59):
And so, uh, he came back home and he walked in the door and
I'm looking for my little gold bag.
And he walks in holdinga little cocker Spaniel.
I said, what's that?
And he is like, it's your birthday gift.
And a black cocker spaniel, like theblack purse I thought I was getting.
His name is Louis V. Thank you.
Jake (09:15):
That's not the right Louis V
Courtney (09:17):
Yeah, I did get my purse by Christmas that year
Jake (09:21):
Thank you.
That was my next question.
Courtney (09:23):
but, and also I do love that, I mean, I love Louis
more than probably most people.
Jake (09:27):
I'm sure
Courtney (09:27):
like dogs, dogs have that way of converting you.
Jake (09:30):
so, so much better than a purse.
I would prefer to have a cockerspaniel over a purse for sure.
Courtney (09:35):
Here's what should have happened.
Get the dog, put him in the purse.
Happy birthday.
Jake (09:41):
Happy birthday.
That now that's a gift right there.
All husbands right now aretaking notes like Uhhuh Uhhuh.
Okay.
All right.
I'll, I will do that now when he'sin trouble, do you call him Louis?
Courtney (09:53):
Uh, no, but he does get his full name.
Jake (09:55):
He gets his full name.
Courtney (09:56):
Louis V. Watson.
Jake (09:57):
Louis V. Watson, that isn't middle initial.
I love that.
his full name isn'tVuitton, Louis Vuitton.
It's Louis V.
Courtney (10:04):
No.
Yeah.
Jake (10:06):
That's awesome.
He sounds adorable.
And what was the first one?
What was the one I missed?
Courtney (10:09):
was my current coworker served me drinks or was my bartender.
Jake (10:12):
who was that?
Courtney (10:13):
and that's Amy.
Jake (10:14):
No way.
Courtney (10:15):
why I always say boss Amy.
'cause you know, I call,uh, Amy Storer is my work
Jake (10:18):
Work wife.
Okay.
Courtney (10:19):
boss Amy, and work and wife Amy.
But yeah, so Amy and Iare from the same area.
Jake (10:23):
No way.
Courtney (10:24):
area.
We're uh, uh, kind of likeeast Southeast of Houston.
Jake (10:28):
Okay.
Courtney (10:28):
but at any rate, we graduated high school around at
the same, you know, same year
Jake (10:32):
Okay.
Courtney (10:32):
worked at Cheddar's.
I lived in Beaumont, like I said, Itaught there for the, my first six
years and we went to Cheddars a lot.
Jake (10:38):
Mm-hmm.
Courtney (10:39):
We decided that it has to be true that she was my bartender
because she worked there with hertwin sister, um, for several years.
So, yeah.
Jake (10:47):
I'm not sure if I've been to a Cheddar's in Texas or not before.
I'm trying to rememberif I've ever been there.
I definitely never had Amy as a bartender.
I think I would know if I,because I, because I wasn't going
there before she was doing thewhole fried technology thing.
So if I walked in and fried tech
amy was back there behind thebar pouring me my tall draft.
I'd be like, what?
Courtney (11:06):
go.
Whatcha
Jake (11:08):
That, that would be my two truths and one lie
statement for sure right there.
Uh, that's amazing.
That's fun.
Um, yeah.
Crazy.
All right.
So now that we know who at FriedTechnology is a former bartender and
the name of your dog, and all of thesesuper important things, we're going
to get into some actual educationaltechnology, which I like to think
is what the listeners tune in for.
(11:29):
They might be tuning in tohear the guests play the game.
I'm not sure.
Or me mess up the game and get it wrong.
those might be the thingsyou're listening to.
Possibility, yes.
But we're going to do what's calledan educational duct tape question.
And for the listeners that are justhere to hear about Courtney's dog,
I've gotta explain to them what aneducational duct tape question is.
It is a question that an educatormight ask in order to solve a goal
(11:52):
or, address a need in their classroomor solve a problem in their classroom
or address a learning standard.
They have a question and technologyis the answer to that question.
Technology is the tool that supports them
in doing that, it's not always the answer,but in these situations it is the answer.
So this one that I'm gonna ask you,Courtney, is a bit of a throwback because
this is kind of how I got my start ineducational technology I was involved
(12:15):
in presenting a little bit locallyand at my school and stuff like that.
But what kind of started me on apath to podcasting and stuff like
that was I used to make littlegifs and post them on social media.
I called them EduGIFs,and they were just like
Courtney (12:27):
You did.
Jake (12:27):
30 to 40-second clips of like, this is how you, I don't
know, share a file in Google Drive.
Right?
Because that was the kind of thingswe had share about back then.
So I always call thosebite-sized instructions.
I liked that somebody didn't haveto watch a 10 minute or 20 minute
long video to learn something.
They saw it in like 40 seconds.
So I've always liked bite-sizedinstructions like that.
So if you were sharing maybe with yourcolleagues or something like that, here's
(12:48):
how you use Snorkl, or here's how youuse the new features in Google Slides, or
here's how you use a Canva spreadsheet.
'cause they've got those now.
Um,
Courtney (12:57):
Exciting.
Jake (12:58):
and you wanna go like, here's a one minute instructions for you.
How are you sharing thoseone minute instructions?
Courtney (13:04):
so a couple different ways, but the first way that comes to mind,
probably one of my favorites is scribe.
Jake (13:11):
Aha.
Okay.
I'm glad you brought this one upbecause I have seen Scribe around, but
I haven't used Scribe, so I'm reallyinterested to hear you talk about 'em.
Courtney (13:18):
So, and similar to the, like the way you said you were making your EduGIFs,
Jake (13:21):
Mm-hmm.
Courtney (13:22):
was doing the same thing.
I was that person.
I wasn't just like, it's notlike I knew any kind of magic.
I just didn't mind clickingaround and trying things out.
So people would always come and ask me
questions and so how do you, how doyou, and so I'm like, you know what?
Instead of me having to go andshow this every single time,
I would open up Google Slides.
And then open up.
If I was showing them how tosign into canvas, let's say
Jake (13:41):
Mm-hmm.
Courtney (13:41):
I'm gonna open Canvas, take a screenshot, paste it over into Google
Slides, add a text box, type in theinstructions, and then rinse and repeat.
Rinse and repeat.
Jake (13:50):
Yeah.
Courtney (13:50):
It would take, not, not a long, long time, 'cause I didn't mind
it like, you know, 30 minutes, maybean hour depending on how long, but I
made so many of those little tutorials
Jake (13:58):
Yeah.
Courtney (13:58):
that's where Scribe comes in and it wow's people's brains,
Jake (14:03):
Yeah.
Courtney (14:03):
if they have to do something like that.
If you're in charge of sharing thingswith, whether it's teachers or students,
um, what I used to do in 30 minutesor an hour, you can do in scribe,
literally less than a minute or two,
Jake (14:15):
Yeah.
Courtney (14:16):
So you open.
Whatever I wanna show.
I said I was gonna show youhow to sign into Canvas.
Jake (14:21):
Okay.
Courtney (14:21):
say that because that was our LMS.
You open that up.
Scribe is a, Chrome Extension
Jake (14:26):
Yeah.
Courtney (14:27):
So you click on Scribe, it lives right beside you.
Now it just stays, opens up an open alittle sidebar, and you click record.
then you just go through your steps.
You don't have to talk by default.
I talk out loud
Jake (14:37):
Yeah.
Courtney (14:38):
an only child.
It's, it's just what I do.
Jake (14:40):
Here.
Courtney (14:41):
to
Jake (14:41):
Here you go.
Courtney.
You're gonna click over here,Courtney, and then go ahead and
type it in right there, Courtney.
Right.
Courtney (14:46):
But yeah, so it's like you click here, you open this, da, da, da.
So, but as you are clicking scribe, itis just recording what you're doing.
Jake (14:54):
Nice.
Courtney (14:54):
just go through the 5, 6, 10, 12 steps and then click end, and
it's gonna open up a Google Document
Jake (15:01):
Mm-hmm.
Courtney (15:02):
That has screenshots and written instructions, little highlighted pieces
on, if you clicked on file, it's gonnahave a little circle highlighting file.
Jake (15:11):
Nice.
Courtney (15:11):
You can edit the instructions if you need to, or you can leave them as is
Jake (15:14):
Right?
Courtney (15:15):
I use the free version.
Lemme go ahead and throw that out there.
It is one of those freemium options,but I've only ever used a free version.
And the one, the one limit for us thatwe found with the free version is you
cannot edit the images that it takes.
But if it one of the steps youdon't need, I can hit delete.
That's totally fine.
like I said, you can change, editthose instructions at the top.
(15:35):
It'll even tell you how many,like how long it took you.
Jake (15:38):
Mm-hmm.
Courtney (15:39):
12 clicks.
34 seconds to make
Jake (15:42):
Mm-hmm.
Courtney (15:43):
you get a share link, and then you can share that out
Jake (15:45):
Nice.
Courtney (15:45):
add it to, you can embed it anywhere.
So like, again, if you use theLMS, if you're making instructions
for students or whatnot, you canembed it on a page in your LMS too.
Jake (15:53):
Now, does that share as a Google doc then?
is it a doc or is itlike on their website?
Courtney (15:56):
it lives on a little page.
Jake (15:58):
Hmm.
Okay.
Courtney (15:59):
page.
Mm-hmm.
I
Jake (16:00):
So.
Courtney (16:00):
in a Google Doc, I guess it's not technically a Google Doc,
Jake (16:03):
It has that feel.
Courtney (16:04):
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Jake (16:05):
here's what I really like about that.
So I like to say, when I created thesegif back in the day, it probably was
very similar to your process withcreating those Google slideshows
that had the screenshots and stuff.
Um, it reminds me of this quote that Iused to quote that came from Mark Twain.
And he said something to the effectof, if I had more time, I would've
written a shorter letter, right?
Because doing something that's shorterand clearer and concise takes a
(16:28):
lot of time to make happen, right?
So when I used to make mygifs, I used Camtasia for them.
I would spend an hour, maybe moreper gif for something that people
were gonna watch for 40 seconds.
Because if I had tried to make it in 40seconds, it would've been garbage, right?
So I had to take a long time toreally go through and editing it.
The same thing happens, I'msure with your slideshow.
(16:50):
You wanted to create something that wasreally clear, concise, short, succinct,
so it took you a long time to go, okay,yeah, I need this screenshot, and I need
to, how do I write these words to describethis so it's as short as possible?
How do I make this as clear as possible?
The alternative back in the daywas recording like a Screencastify
video, which is a great tool, butyou're doing that, you're like.
Talking as you go through it andyou're like, I'm gonna click over here.
(17:11):
Hold on, let me wait for that to load.
Uh, it'll load right up here in a second.
It's gonna be right here in a second.
You end up with like a 10 minute longvideo for something that could have
been two minutes, because that wasjust how long it took you to do it.
so now this tool, maybe it takes youfive or 10 minutes to go through that
login process, but it goes like, hereare the important pieces and parts.
Uses like AI to do that for you, whichis what I was doing with Camtasia
(17:34):
and which you were doing with yourslideshows, but we were doing it manually.
So it makes this really short, clear,concise thing in the time that it
takes you to go through the process.
Now the difference is when I was usingCamtasia, for example, to make those
gif back in the day, it would take mefive to 10 minutes to record the thing
and then 45 to 50 to edit it, right?
(17:55):
So that's what I'm doing is I'm spendingthat five or 10 minutes recording.
But I'm no longer doing the editing'cause Scribe is doing that part for me.
Would you agree that'skinda how it's working?
Courtney (18:03):
Exactly.
Jake (18:04):
Yeah.
That's nice.
Courtney (18:05):
just, I just, I get a little happy feeling in my heart when I think
about it and when I share it with people,because I just like, you know, the time
that it would take, to make it happen.
And you just went like, click,click, click, click, tada!
Jake (18:18):
Ta.
Here it is.
And they're like,Courtney, you're a genius.
And you're like, I know
Courtney (18:22):
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Jake (18:23):
I am.
That's amazing.
this reminds me of, um, I, Ithink it's pronounced Iorad.
Have you used Iorad
Courtney (18:30):
That's another,
Jake (18:31):
before?
Courtney (18:31):
one that we'd like that we in Iorad, uh, we used
before we, before Scribe.
Jake (18:36):
Mm-hmm.
Courtney (18:36):
Um, we got that one from Darryl.
Jake (18:37):
Mm-hmm.
Courtney (18:38):
Um, and the difference, I think with, I say difference,
but it doesn't make it better.
But Iorad, you can, make it like video.
you can do that voice piecewith it if you want to.
So it's a, but it's another go.
And it works is it works very similarlyas just as you just kind of go about the
process of what you would normally do, andit's just kind of recording your screen
as you're making those things happen.
Jake (18:57):
Yeah.
What I like about iorad is that.
You can, if I remember correctly, onceyou're done, the viewer can look at
it in a couple different ways, right?
They could go through like a clickable,like it's called like a, kinda like
a slideshow tutorial that's not trulyslides, but you like click the next arrow
to get to the next step or see it all inone or see it kind of as a video, right?
Courtney (19:17):
Yeah, you're right, I'd forgotten about that version where you
can, um, it, you have to do the steps.
So it's like if , in my instructions, ifI was gonna say click file, then click
next, they will have a, a stopping point
Jake (19:30):
Yeah.
Courtney (19:30):
button they have to physically click.
They
Jake (19:32):
Oh
Courtney (19:32):
click next, but if they click anywhere on the screen, it would do it.
But the idea is they
Jake (19:36):
yeah.
Courtney (19:37):
motions of doing it and then they can leave your tutorial
and go into and do it themselves.
Jake (19:42):
Yeah, I remember that.
'cause they have to actuallykind of mimic doing it.
So it's kind of like aninteractive tutorial.
Yeah.
Which is cool.
The issue with Iorad, this is not a bigproblem, but the free version, everything
you make is public, on the free version.
So if you want it to be private and onlyhave it go to the people you want it to go
to, then you have to be on a paid version.
I do know that's an issue with it.
(20:02):
Not a huge deal.
But if you're showing something inyour learning management system,
that's gonna be a problem because thenyou're potentially showing student
names and things like that on there.
You don't want that to be a public link.
You want that to be a private link.
You can't do that on the free version.
You can only do that on the paid version.
So that's an issue.
but what made you guys switch to Scribe?
Or why do you like scribe better?
Courtney (20:19):
Um, we still use both.
Jake (20:21):
Okay.
Courtney (20:22):
so at fried we do, professional development in person face-to-face, and
we also have Fried online asynchronous.
Courses.
And so for the asynchronouscourses, I think, Iorad is still
used a lot and it's super helpful.
Again, just because you get that,that I actually get a chance to kind
of walk myself through the steps.
For me personally, I justhappen to like scribe because it
(20:43):
creates these great big images.
and like I said, it has little,just short, here are the steps.
Navigate to click onthe left hand toolbar.
Um, very, very short and quick.
Jake (20:53):
Yeah.
Courtney (20:53):
I noticed that a few people.
I feel like I had to remindpeople over and over again,
you're not actually doing it.
So if it was the, if this was, I openedup one of my scribes to find one, so I
did one on How do you upload documentsfrom Google Drive directly into Canva?
Jake (21:08):
Okay.
Courtney (21:09):
if I had done that in Iorad and put it in a training.
Jake (21:11):
Yeah.
Courtney (21:12):
Somebody's gonna click on the Iorad and then they're
like, my document's not in there.
Jake (21:16):
Yeah.
Courtney (21:16):
didn't actually do it, you were just going through the steps.
And so I just, I found myself saying,no, no, no, that's just a practice one.
So now go do those samesteps in your own account.
Jake (21:25):
This isn't my document.
I know it's my document.
Courtney (21:29):
and it's not in your, it's not in your drive.
Okay.
Alright.
Jake (21:31):
All right.
Okay.
Nice.
I think that's it's good to mention that.
It doesn't really matter which oneyou use between the two of 'em, it's
which one addresses your goal better.
sometimes you gotta get in there,experiment with them and decide
which one's a better fit for
you and the audience that you'resending this out to , and the format
that's gonna work best for them?
I think they're both really greatoptions because like I said with my
(21:52):
GIF recording earlier, both of themtake out that 45 minute editing time.
It's literally just you performthe task and then the tool makes
it a tutu tutorial for you.
it's not gonna replace things likeyour, like you guys at Fried have some
great, like screencasts and thingslike that and, and videos on your
YouTube channel and things like that.
Or that go into the coursesand things like that.
(22:12):
It's not gonna replace those.
'cause those are like professionallymade, you know, this is for
your like, really quick.
Like, I need my, I'm not tryingto get YouTube famous on this,
so I'm trying to just tell mycolleagues how to do this thing.
Right.
Courtney (22:24):
'em, you know, we tend to call things by food names,
but it's those little nuggets,
Jake (22:28):
Little nuggets.
Courtney (22:29):
to folks.
Right.
Just really quick, clear,right to the point.
if you need a little bit more,then you know, come on over.
We
Jake (22:35):
Yeah.
Courtney (22:35):
we
Jake (22:35):
Yeah.
More?
Courtney (22:36):
you know, we can, we can dig in,
Jake (22:37):
Yeah.
Courtney (22:38):
we can get a chicken sandwich, but sometimes you
just need a chicken nugget.
Jake (22:41):
Okay.
I want to go to Chick-fil-Aand get nuggets and a sandwich.
I actually want both becausethey're just different somehow.
Courtney (22:49):
yeah, yeah,
Jake (22:50):
What's your preferred dipping sauce for your nuggets?
Courtney (22:52):
Uh, at Chick-fil-A, I need, uh, the sweet and spicy
sriracha, the Chick-fil-A sauce.
'cause I do a little mixture ofthem both and I need a little
barbeque sauce for my fries.
Jake (23:02):
Oh, okay.
I did not know that that was gonnabe such an interesting answer
Courtney (23:07):
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Jake (23:07):
I took a little aside.
Um, yeah, I think itdepends on where I'm at.
Like, I, like my kidsare really into cane's.
Cane's is okay.
I think the cane sauce is pretty good.
Normally
Courtney (23:16):
the cane sauce is what sells Canes.
Jake (23:18):
that's what's cane's?
Okay.
Courtney (23:19):
That's about it.
Jake (23:20):
Other, other.
Courtney (23:21):
And I love a good crinkle fry.
Jake (23:22):
Crinkle.
They do have good crinkle fries.
Yeah.
Um, otherwise I go in ranch normally.
Courtney (23:25):
Mm-hmm.
Jake (23:26):
Honey mustard's okay.
In a pinch.
Um, I, I'm really going deep on this.
If I'm at Zaxby's, I think Iprobably want maybe Buffalo.
Courtney (23:35):
See, and we don't have as, I don't have a zaxby's close by me, and so
Jake (23:38):
We don't either.
Courtney (23:38):
it once.
I'm a ranch girl too,
Jake (23:40):
Yeah.
Courtney (23:40):
not for.
Not for my chicken, not for my chicken.
Not for my nuggs.
Jake (23:43):
Not very chicken.
Okay.
Courtney (23:45):
McDonald's old school, just to throw it out there, because a few months
ago, I don't go to McDonald's that often.
Jake (23:51):
No.
Courtney (23:51):
I go every now and then.
And I said, you know what?
I think I want some nuggets.
I just wanna be like a littlekid, gimme a happy meal.
And I asked for my hot mustard.
Jake (23:58):
Yes, that's
Courtney (23:59):
don't sell that anymore.
Jake (24:00):
don't.
Courtney (24:01):
And I, and they, now, this was this one location.
I was
Jake (24:04):
Hmm
Courtney (24:04):
So
Jake (24:04):
hmm.
Courtney (24:04):
I didn't go back.
Jake (24:05):
They don't.
Courtney (24:06):
just recently went this week and I said, and again, I was like, okay,
well I guess I'll do barbecue sauce.
I said, what other sauces do you have?
And he started to list themand he, I said, hot mustard.
Jake (24:16):
That's the one right there.
Courtney (24:18):
but
Jake (24:19):
Yes, hot,
Courtney (24:19):
it.
Jake (24:20):
hot mustard is the one there.
I also don't, don't typicallygo to to McDonald's, but if
I was getting some nuggets atMcDonald's hot mustard for sure,
Courtney (24:26):
Has to be.
Jake (24:27):
that'd be the way to go.
But yeah, I've actually got a bottleof the sweet and spicy Sriracha,
Chick-fil-A sauce upstairs.
Courtney (24:33):
really?
Jake (24:35):
nah, that's some good stuff.
Courtney (24:36):
too, it's again, I told you I just had a birthday.
It is, it's hitting me kind of hard,so I can't have too much of the spicy.
I heard you, you asked like,do I do 'em at the same time?
So I don't like swirl them
Jake (24:45):
Mm. Okay.
Courtney (24:45):
want a little bit of the spicy, sweet and spicy.
And then I'll give my Chick-fil-A sauce.
We
Jake (24:50):
I see.
Courtney (24:51):
in here.
You, like you said, we did go deep
Jake (24:52):
We sure did.
That was a little.
Courtney (24:54):
information.
If you ever wanna take eitherof us to Chick-fil-A, you have
Jake (24:57):
You need to know what sauces are you getting?
Jake and Courtney need these sauces.
They're gonna knowexactly what to order for.
I can't wait for somebody to takeus to take us to Chick-fil-A.
Courtney (25:06):
we go.
This is happening.
Jake (25:07):
we're gonna realize it's Sunday.
And we don't even get Chick-fil-A.
Oh no, we gotta go somewhere else.
We gotta go to McDonald's.
They better have hot mustard sauce.
Okay, so let, so if we're making nuggetsof technology wisdom, we're either
using Scribe or we're using io a. Anyother options you'd throw in there?
Courtney (25:24):
Um, I would, of course you can't go wrong too.
We're just a little quick like.
say TikTok style video.
Jake (25:31):
huh.
Courtney (25:31):
and so for those I probably would lean towards like
either Canva or Adobe Expressvideo I have the apps on my phone.
and of course, like we mentioned, doinga quick little screencast, which is just
gonna take a little more time on your end
Jake (25:45):
Yeah.
Courtney (25:46):
to create it, but so the making a little short video, using one
of those kind of one of those tools,Canva, Adobe Express video or a Loom
or a Screencastify to make it happen,
but shortening it down.
I think what it is, I joke thatthe longer you teach, the more
you get to be like the students.
Jake (26:02):
Yeah,
Courtney (26:02):
so it has to be short.
Jake (26:04):
yeah.
Courtney (26:04):
I think about, my husband was outta town and we needed the
light, I don't know what it's called.
The little light came on, it wastime to officially switch the filter,
Jake (26:11):
Mm-hmm.
Courtney (26:11):
um, in the refrigerator, and I was like, I can do this.
So I went to YouTube, I'm searchingfor videos, and the first one I found
with my, you know, refrigerator typeand everything was 10 minutes long.
Jake (26:22):
Nope.
Courtney (26:23):
I, I do not need, it will not take me 10 minutes to
be a refrigeration repair woman.
Jake (26:28):
No, you can do it.
You need three,
Courtney (26:29):
minute
Jake (26:30):
three minutes max.
Courtney (26:31):
like, I can do this.
So yeah, I just think, but we've,I think we all have, you know,
the, those shorter attention span.
So it's gotta be something, like yousaid, a little 30 second, one minute
clip, that'll walk people through.
So, yeah, so
Jake (26:41):
Yeah, so I think if you're doing, if you're doing it in something
like Screencastify or Loom, thatif you're in the free version, you
don't really have an editor option.
Like if you're in paid versions inthe, well, in Loom you might have an
do you know in Loom if you're in thefree version, you have an editor.
Courtney (26:53):
you used to, because Loom had the education version
Jake (26:57):
Yeah.
Courtney (26:57):
so I think.
I think so.
I think you're good in
Jake (27:00):
Yeah.
So somebody hit us up and let us know.
you gotta tell us what's your favoritesauce for nuggets and can you edit videos
in the free version for Teachers of Loom?
But I, if you can't, I, my pointwas, if you can't edit it, that means
you gotta practice first, right?
You've gotta, you've gotta essentiallyrun the Screencast without pressing
record two or three times to getit, really get yourself really fine
(27:21):
tuned in there so you could be quickand then you could record it, right?
And that's how you make a quick one.
Courtney (27:25):
That's how you used to have to do
Jake (27:27):
Yeah.
Courtney (27:27):
And so, but now my version, 'cause the other side of this too,
especially talking to teachers andwanting them to be comfortable.
It doesn't have to be a production.
Jake (27:36):
Yeah.
Courtney (27:37):
nine times outta 10.
Your students would rather see youand and hear your voice 'cause we, you
think like, oh my gosh, I sound so weird
Jake (27:43):
Mm-hmm.
Courtney (27:44):
I look, I look weird.
I said, I clicked thatpart doesn't matter.
Jake (27:48):
Yeah.
Courtney (27:49):
more when it, when they see you versus even if you found
a great little tutorial on YouTube
Jake (27:53):
Yeah.
Courtney (27:53):
they relate more to you.
but it doesn't have to be a production.
So we have to get out of our heads.
So what I do
Jake (27:59):
Mm-hmm.
Courtney (28:00):
I'll take one of those screen casting tools,
but I don't record the voice.
Jake (28:04):
Okay.
Courtney (28:04):
So I just go ahead and , record the screen, record the clicks, and
then that's where, so it's, you kindof double up and then that's where
the Adobe Express video comes in.
Jake (28:12):
oh, okay.
So if you're using Adobe Express,where are you recording first?
Courtney (28:16):
I will record, if I record, I'm saying if I use Screencastify or Loom
Jake (28:20):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Courtney (28:20):
I'll just, I'm recording my tutorial on, how
do you resize a Google slide.
Jake (28:25):
Okay.
Courtney (28:26):
So I'm gonna just open up my Google slide, open
up Screencastify, hit record.
Jake (28:30):
Mm-hmm.
Courtney (28:30):
I'm gonna record myself going through the steps,
Jake (28:32):
Mm-hmm.
Courtney (28:33):
export my video, and then drop it over into Adobe Express,
Jake (28:37):
then you just talk over it.
Courtney (28:38):
now's got a record your voice with your camera if you want it, but then
I have the editor piece in there so Ican go and I, I, I click something wrong.
Boop, cut it out.
Jake (28:49):
Yeah,
Courtney (28:50):
So,
Jake (28:51):
a good tip, A good pro tip there.
So if you're using Canva or AdobeExpress, because they're such similar
tools, you are most likely recordingsomewhere else, or is that just one
of the ways you, you'd approach that?
Just of
Courtney (29:00):
the ways, especially if I need the Screencast piece,
Jake (29:04):
Yeah.
Courtney (29:05):
I will record somewhere else and then drop it over there.
Jake (29:07):
Yeah.
Courtney (29:08):
if I'm recording and just kind of walking through some steps, or if
I'm using like a slide deck or somethingI've created and just kinda walking
through the steps, I can just, I'll doit right there and start with program.
Jake (29:16):
right?
Yeah, right there in the program.
It's, it's crazy how many optionswe have nowadays, like nowadays.
Courtney (29:20):
So many!
Jake (29:21):
Yeah, I remember back in the day, you know, like early on in the days of
this podcast, for example, talking aboutscreencasting, and it was like, well, you
could use this one, this one, or this one.
That's it.
And I could even say like, if youhave this kind of computer, use this.
If you have this browser, use this.
But nowadays, it's like there'sso many things like use what
you like, which is great.
(29:41):
Your choice is good.
Courtney (29:42):
And the other thing I just thought about that I, meant to mention
too, even just your phone, like again.
You're not trying to be a YouTuberso I told you I was an English
teacher but I also got out for alittle while and I was a CTE teacher.
Jake (29:54):
Oh, okay.
Courtney (29:55):
so I was back in a, we were in a computer lab.
I had, 30 kids
Jake (29:58):
Mm-hmm.
Courtney (29:59):
and most of our things were kinda like projects that
they were doing on the computers.
And so even though we didthe same things over and over
Jake (30:06):
Mm-hmm.
Courtney (30:06):
miss, how do I turn this in on Canvas?
How do I do?
So what I wanted to do was make littleshort videos, throw them into a place
where they could always go and get those.
we call it cloning yourself.
Jake (30:17):
Yeah.
Courtney (30:17):
So instead of me having to say it 30 times, I just made a video:
go watch me over and over again.
Jake (30:20):
Go watch that video.
Yeah.
Courtney (30:22):
but it, again, I don't, I didn't have to be sitting at my desk.
You can.
This little trusty,
Jake (30:27):
Yeah.
Courtney (30:28):
phones that we have, right?
one of my, if you will, my, my YouTubemoments, my TikTok moments, one of
my most viewed tiktoks is a stylewhere I just held my phone up and
recorded myself, you know, clicking.
I did a little bit of editing,
Jake (30:42):
Yeah.
Courtney (30:42):
know, inside of TikTok.
But then, boop, there we go.
Jake (30:46):
Yeah.
Courtney (30:47):
And so
Jake (30:48):
Yeah, that's, that's a good point.
I think, so I'm a bit of a perfectionist.
and that's hard, that's hard for me to do.
but the thing we have to keep inmind is anytime with technology
is like, what's your actual goal?
Um, and if your actual goal isjust to explain how to turn in
that project on Canvas, you don'tneed a perfectly edited video.
You just need it to be shortenough that they could watch it
quickly so they don't tune out.
(31:10):
Your goal is.
To get through the steps and have it beset up so that the kids or whoever your
audience is, will actually watch it.
Right.
So it can't be 10 minutes 'causethey're not gonna watch it
for 10 minutes, to your point.
but it doesn't have to be perfect.
It could just be holding yourphone up in front of your
computer while you click on stuff.
As long as it's short and clearand concise and effective.
It doesn't matter how perfect it is.
And to your point,
Courtney (31:30):
You don't have to be fancy,
Jake (31:31):
you just have
Courtney (31:32):
to be helpful.
Jake (31:33):
don't have to be fancy to tell.
What if We wanna befancy and helpful though.
Courtney (31:37):
You can,
there are times for it.
There are times,
Jake (31:40):
I'm just a little bougie.
Okay.
I just wanna be fancy sometimes.
Courtney (31:44):
That's when you get, then that's when you get to go play
with like a cap cut and add in some
Jake (31:47):
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
Courtney (31:48):
and things like that.
And,
Jake (31:49):
Yeah.
Courtney (31:50):
sorry, I cut you off.
You were gonna say, I'm
Jake (31:51):
No, that's good.
I, no, I love it.
That's a good point.
But I think, yeah, we have to remember,you don't, it doesn't ha unless you
want it to be perfect for some reason,you, it doesn't have to be perfect.
It just has to be effective.
That's all that matters.
Courtney (32:02):
Yep.
Jake (32:02):
that matters.
Well this is a lot ofgreat wisdom, so, okay.
So we could use Scribe or iorad, whichare gonna kind of automagically, turn
it into a, something for our audience orour viewers or our students to look at.
we could use a thing like,Screencastify or Loom.
and record there and share straightfrom there, which is super nice.
we could hold our phone up andrecord directly from our phone.
(32:23):
Maybe edit that video.
Maybe not.
Maybe just drop it in GoogleDrive and send it out from there.
We could make them in Canva or AdobeExpress, either with a video we recorded
elsewhere, and then add some stuff too, ordepending on what we're trying to do, we
could just record it through their tools.
That's a lot of options.
We've just given people there.
Courtney (32:40):
Plenty of options.
And then the other, thehow do you share it?
Jake (32:44):
Right.
Courtney (32:45):
That's my thing.
Jake (32:46):
Yeah.
Courtney (32:46):
we said, yes, I can throw it in an email.
but I was all about housingit in one good place.
Jake (32:51):
Mm-hmm.
Courtney (32:51):
So if you have an LMS, here's the how-to page . I used to use Wakelet.
Jake (32:56):
Yep.
Courtney (32:57):
I use, I use one link,
Jake (32:58):
Yep.
Courtney (32:59):
and then one of my favorites that I I miss it so very much.
I was a potty pd, girly.
And, um, it's, it's not gross, I promise.
We had sheet protectors and thingslike that, but that was another way
to get out that bite-sized little tip
Jake (33:12):
Yeah.
Courtney (33:13):
for lack of a better description, you had a captive audience.
Uh, were, and I say, I always tell people,if you've ever been to a restaurant
and they have like that calendar.
On the back of the door.
And if people are like, ohyeah, I was like, see, it works.
Jake (33:26):
You know when the Beatles cover band is playing at that restaurant you
saw while you were in the bathroom?
Courtney (33:29):
have to come back in two weeks.
So, so that was another,but that's the same way.
So I wouldn't make theselittle short videos.
we had, like my old district, we werea district, so we had a canvas campus
page, but we had a page whereeverybody knew they could go back.
But if they had seen something onpotty pd, there were, there might be
a little bit longer fancier version.
If they went into thethe Canvas page where I
Jake (33:50):
Right?
Yeah.
Courtney (33:50):
Maybe gave the steps on the low potty pd.
Jake (33:52):
Yeah.
I wonder too, like the first twotools, iorad and Scribe, you probably
could print those and even just hangthose up in, in the, in the stalls.
The bathroom stalls.
While people are stalling,
Courtney (34:04):
and you know, there's copier or potty PD where, you
know, where teachers tend to hangone of those places, so you can
do copy if, if you feel a little bitbetter, you can always do Copier PD
Jake (34:14):
you feel feel awkward about the potty PD or learning on the loo?
I've heard people call.
Courtney (34:18):
Yeah.
Who is it?
I think uh, I think it was Kathi.
I always mess up herlast name, so I call her
Jake (34:22):
Oh, okay.
Kathi K, yeah.
Kersznowski.
I believe I'm, I've never pronounced it infront of her face for her to tell me it's
wrong, so I'm guessing it's Kersznowski.
Courtney (34:30):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I think she was the onethat kind of got that going.
But I used to love it.
It was, I'll say this, becareful with your potty PD again,
I, I mentioned I'm an only child
Jake (34:38):
Okay.
Courtney (34:38):
but, um, so I tend to use myself as
examples with like pictures and things,
Jake (34:41):
Okay.
Courtney (34:42):
And so when I first was
showing remove.bg, so
Jake (34:44):
Okay.
Courtney (34:45):
a while
Jake (34:46):
Yeah.
Courtney (34:46):
um, I used a picture of me sitting on a couch and I went and got
the actor Idris Elba, who's gorgeous,and I removed the background so he could
be sitting on the couch next to me.
And a coworker, uh, waslike, Hey, Courtney.
It's a little bit awkwardhandling my business, and I
look over and I see your face.
I said, I didn't think about that.
I apologize.
I'm so
sorry.
Jake (35:06):
Listen, I can see a screenshot of Canva while I'm in the bathroom.
That's fine, but if my colleague'sface is there, that's gonna bother me.
Courtney (35:14):
it's a little bit
too much.
I'm, I said Okay.
Jake (35:16):
Okay.
so noted,
noted.
I will no longer put picturesof myself in the bathroom stalls
Courtney (35:21):
So funny.
Jake (35:22):
Idris Elba.
Okay, fine.
He could be there, but you can't Courtney,
Courtney (35:25):
we don't, I don't
know him in person
Jake (35:28):
right?
Courtney (35:28):
So yeah.
Jake (35:29):
He, he's not silently judging me while I'm in the bathroom.
Courtney (35:33):
So
Jake (35:34):
are some great tips, Courtney.
Thanks for all of this.
So I, I love that we've gota lot of different Angles.
We could take this approach dependingon what we think is gonna work best
with our staff and what works bestfor us to create the content and I
think now you've taught us that weall need to go check out your TikTok
to see the videos that you're postingthere to see some of these samples.
So folks that the, link toCourtney's TikTok is in the show
(35:55):
notes, as are all of her other.
Social media links, you could hit her upon there and ask for pictures of her dog.
Louis V. think we're all gonna need tosee pictures of Louis v. Gonna have to
be posted, so reach out to her on there.
but thank you so much forbeing on today, Courtney.
This was great.
Courtney (36:08):
Well, thank you for having me.
I'm again, I was trying not to
say Super excited.
but
Jake (36:12):
Super excited.
It was super exciting.
Thanks for being with us.
I had a great time havingCourtney on the show.
I hope that you enjoyed it as well.
She had so much wisdom to share.
I did not know anything about Scribe, tobe honest and very little about Io Rad.
And she taught me more about both andher ideas about using some of the other
tools like Adobe Express and Canva.
(36:34):
Uh, really awesome as well.
So I hope you enjoyed it.
I hope you learned a lot.
I hope that you're gonna go follow her.
But before you followyourself out of this episode.
That was a weird pun there, Jake.
Let's get into some edtech updates and news.
First up, let's talk about something thatI haven't heard anyone talking about.
Actually, I hear no one mentioningthis, so I figured I should
(36:55):
put it out into the universe.
There are two.
Premium applications ofNotebookLM that came out recently.
So we all know NotebookLM the toolfrom Google that lets you upload
your own materials, think (37:06):
research papers, standards, slide decks,
YouTube links, textbook chapters,
articles off the internet and turn theminto eerily realistic podcast episodes.
It's amazing.
Most folks actually don'trealize it, but you can ask it
questions, you can get summaries.
You can even generate things likestudy guides or discussion questions
(37:28):
there in NotebookLM most peopleare just using it for the podcast.
Understandable, because it's amazing.
But it has these other features too.
And I dunno if you're aware, but there'snow even an interaction option with
the podcast where you can enter intothe podcast and talk to the hosts.
I'm using air quotes here 'causeyou are, I guess talking, but
you're not talking to actual people.
(37:49):
But it sure does feel like it.
If you haven't triedit, you should try it.
And the best part, everythingcomes with inline citations.
So you're not just taking AI'sword for it, it's actually saying
this is where in the resources yougave me this information came from.
That grounding in your own sourcesmakes a huge difference for educators.
And I often use that podcast feature.
(38:10):
Uh, I take a bunch of dry prep materialsthat I need to go through for an upcoming
meeting or presentation or something, andI turn into a podcast style audio overview
that I could listen to in the car.
I just upload Google Drive andplay it from the Google Drive app.
And that helps me kind of go throughthat information, in those passive times
while I'm driving or something like that.
It really is like a self-made PD sessionon my commute based on something very
(38:33):
specific that I need to think about.
But here's the new pieces.
First.
Google's Gemini tools, whichinclude NotebookLM, are starting
to integrate directly into LMSplatforms through something called
Gemini LTI, that's an acronym.
I forget what it stands for.
You don't need to know what itstands for, but Google's Gemini LTI.
(38:56):
So far it means that Canvas and Schoology.
I'm supposed to say their full namesCanvas by in infrastructure, and I forget
what I'm supposed to say with Schoology.
I'm just gonna call 'emCanvas and Schoology.
Okay.
Um, but imagine in Canvas and Schoology,your students being able to interact
with AI generated content groundedin your course materials inside
(39:19):
the LMS that they're already using.
So I don't have to leavethe Lt LMS to get to it.
Uh, that could be really powerful.
Now, it's unclear to me if all Canvasand Schoology users have this, or only
folks on certain Canvas and Schoologyplans, or only folks on Canvas or
Schoology that also have a certain paidlevel of Google for Education plan.
(39:41):
So it's possible thatnot all of you have this.
I'm not sure if you do have it.
Or maybe if you're a Canvas or Schoologyuser and a Google for Education user
and you don't have it, I'd love tohear that too, either way, so that
I know who has it, who doesn't.
And if you do have it, I'd love tohear about how it's working for you.
Now, the other premium featurefrom NotebookLM is NotebookLM Plus.
(40:02):
It's a new premium version of Notebook.
LM obviously costs you some money,it gives you higher usage limits.
Yes, that's nice.
We could do more things more often.
Right now you're capped tohow many you can make a day.
I think it's two.
But this also gives you analytics,Sharing features, and more customization.
So if you're a professor, let's sayat a college, you can upload your
(40:25):
course materials and give your studentstheir own personalized AI guide.
If you're in IT, you could buildout a knowledge base for your whole
institution to reflect back on andlisten to, and, and interact with.
That flexibility and scale
could be a game changer for higher ed andlarge K to 12 districts or small ones too.
I think the sharing and customization,those are what's big for me,
(40:49):
at least for myself in my role.
If it allows me to modify parts of thepodcast that it auto generates and then
share a link to it for others to accessit, 'cause currently you have to download
it and upload the drive or something likethat, if it allows me to share that link
for people to access it, that is awesome.
So I'm curious, have you tried either ofthese premium options with NotebookLM?
(41:09):
If you have, I'd loveto hear how it's going.
Hit me up at speakpipe.com/eduDuctTapewith a voice message for the
show or post it on social mediawith hashtag #EduDuctTape.
All right.
Here's a quick one, but superhelpful if you're a Padlet user,
especially on the free plan.
So Padlet recently addeda clear posts option.
(41:33):
It does exactly what it sounds like.
It wipes all the posts from aPadlet board so you can reuse it.
Without having to delete itand recreate the whole thing.
This is clutch.
If you're on the free version and you'vehit that cap on the number of padlets
you're allowed to have on the free plan,so you could start it from scratch, get
rid of all the posts on it, reuse it.
(41:53):
It doesn't have as a newboard, it's the same board.
It's just free and clear of all ofthe content that used to be on it.
So use it with your first period class.
Hit the clear post button, use itwith your second period class one
Padlet used twice, and the informationdoesn't repeat throughout it.
Now.
Here's the catch.
First of all, it's only availablefor the board creators or for
admins to, um, Padlet plans.
(42:14):
And once you hit that clear button,there's no going back so you clear it.
You can't undo that.
Actually, you have to type ina little code to do it just to
confirm that you really mean it.
So those posts are gone for good.
So definitely use thisfeature with caution.
Now, here's a pro tip.
If you want to be extra safe and youwant a record of that board before you
(42:34):
clear it, there's an option in Padletto export a Padlet board as a PDF.
So I would recommendexporting as A PDF first.
That way you have a record of everythingthat was set on that board, nice
way to archive it, and then hit thatclear post button to get rid of all
of it, to find the option to do it.
Open your Padlet, hit thethree.menu and choose clear posts.
(42:55):
You'll be asked to enter a verificationnumber, as I mentioned, just to
make sure that you really mean it.
Uh, one note I should point out,this feature isn't available at
least yet on Padlet sandboxes,so it's available on all Padlet
boards, but not on Padlet sandboxes.
So if you're in a Padlet sandbox,I guess you'll have to clear those
elements manually, piece by piece.
But any other Padlet board,click that clear post button.
(43:18):
So, have you tried it?
Have you used this to reset aboard to avoid, uh, going over
your free Padlet plan limit?
If you have, let me knowif it's working for you.
Here's an update that might fly underthe radar, but I think it's special
to highlight because it's great foraccessibility and literacy and just
better student support across the board.
(43:40):
Book Creator now supports text tospeech in edit mode and in PDFs.
Now some of you are probablythinking, uh, Jake, didn't it
already have text to speech?
Well, you're not wrong.
It did have text to speechand it does, but until now,
it only worked in read mode.
So when you're reading the book, butnot when you're writing the book.
(44:01):
So in that mode, it readthe entire book aloud.
That was super helpful.
Sure.
Uh, but not very flexible.
And it's not everywhere that thekids could use that reading support.
This new update lets students listento individual text boxes, shapes with
text in them, and even imported PDFsall while they're still in edit mode.
(44:23):
They just click a little speakericon under the element and it reads
that section out loud with wordhighlighting as it goes, and that
shift from full book playback.
In read mode to selective in themoment, read aloud even when editing,
I think is a game changer, especiallywhen we consider kids using it
(44:43):
to proofread their own writing.
So they write it and then they haveit, play it back for them right
then and there so they could hear itbefore they're done with everything.
Think about your multilingual learnerstrying to decode a set of instructions
or a student with dyslexia reviewinga paragraph they just wrote, or even
just a middle schooler who insiststhat their paragraph is perfect.
(45:04):
Until they hear it, that read aloudmoment often reveals things that
their eyes missed and it's availableto all users, which is great.
Now, one part is only available forpremium users, and that's using text
tope inside of PDFs, so you can uploadPDFs into your books and have them read
aloud if you're on the premium plan.
(45:24):
If you're not on the premiumplan, the PDFs can be in there.
They just won't be read aloud.
Students on premium plans can use thescan for text feature to make that happen.
Then have the document read to themdirectly inside of the project.
So yes, digital worksheets, textbookpages, articles just became way more
accessible inside Book creator two.
(45:45):
Also this is scaffolding that can scaledown as needed so teachers can turn the
feature off when it's no longer necessary.
Uh, I would not recommend doing that.
I'm a universal design for learning guy.
I think it's, if it's best for some, it'sbest to have there available for all.
But if you prefer to have Texas speechoff, it is an option to turn it off.
(46:06):
And there are also settings to adjustvoice and speed for how it's read as well.
And one last thing, if you're alreadyusing speech to text in book creator,
so speaking into it and having ittyped for you, this closes that loop.
'cause students can now dictatetheir ideas into the book and then
listen back to self-check and revise.
(46:27):
That kind of feedback cycle buildsboth confidence and independence
in our learners as writers.
So have you tried the new text tospeech feature in edit mode yet?
Is it making a difference inhow your students read or write?
I'd love to hear your take.
Okay.
That does it for today.
Thank you so much for tuning in.
Thank you for everythingyou do for your learners.
Thank you for still showing upand tuning into the show in early
(46:49):
summer when a lot of folks arejust checked out and that's fine.
Relax, enjoy your summer,take a break, but you are.
Extra dedicated in listening.
I appreciate that.
For the folks that take the summer offand turn off their education brains,
I respect that too, and I'm happyfor them that they're doing that.
But I appreciate you tuning in.
I hope you continue to do so.
(47:10):
I hope you're subscribed to the show sothat you don't miss an episode because I
plan to be back in your earbuds next week.
See you guys.
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Joyce Sapp, 76; Bryan Herrera, 16; and Laurance Webb, 32—three Miami residents whose lives were stolen in brutal, unsolved homicides. Cold Case Files: Miami follows award‑winning radio host and City of Miami Police reserve officer Enrique Santos as he partners with the department’s Cold Case Homicide Unit, determined family members, and the advocates who spend their lives fighting for justice for the victims who can no longer fight for themselves.