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On this episode of the Educational DuctTape Podcast, we're diving into Google's
brand new Gemini for education rollout.
We'll unpack powerful tools likeGemini Canvas, deep research and custom
gems, and break down what you get forfree versus with pro and that's not
all of the Google news that I share.
I also hop up on the soapboxto talk about growth mindset,
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perseverance, and the learning pit.
Let's get into it.
Welcome.
Welcome everyone.
So before we get into today'sregular content, I want to start
with something that feels necessary,even if I can't go into all of
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the detail that I wish I could.
There are decisions being made bothin our nation and in my home state of
Ohio at the policy level in budgetsand laws that are affecting our
schools, our communities, and ourstudents in profound and painful ways.
You know, since the beginning of thisshow, I've done what I call soapbox
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moments, and honestly, it's kind of sillythat I call them soapbox moments because
I don't share any strong or controversialopinions in them, and that's kind of
where the soapbox term comes from, right?
You get up on your soapbox andsay something controversial
or some strong opinions.
Today though, I really want to have atrue soapbox moment about these issues,
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but I don't feel that it'd be wise forme to speak freely about all of it.
But I do want to honor the fact thatmany of you are feeling the impact.
I wish I could giveyou all hugs right now.
Maybe take a moment, take a deep breath,and give yourself a little self hug.
You know, while we're giving outhugs, I'd also like to send a virtual
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one to everyone impacted by theheartbreaking loss and devastation
from the flooding in Texas.
So sad.
So scary.
My heart is with those communities.
Uh, I know a guy saying these things ona podcast about educational technology
doesn't do anything or really meanmuch, but it feels important not
to just rush past these things.
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I, I, I just wanted to point them out.
Yeah.
Um, before we get into it, educators,your learning communities, they need you.
They're lucky to have you.
You have incredibly powerfulpositive impacts on your learners.
Keep showing up and keep lovingon the kiddos in your schools.
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The first time my wife andI took our kids ice skating.
Our daughter, who was about sevenat the time, had a very clear
vision of how this was going to go.
She imagined stepping onto the icelike a tiny Olympic hopeful, smooth
glides, graceful twirls, maybe evena little applause from the strangers.
Full Disney on ice energyis what she expected.
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Then she got handed the rental skates.
She looked down, confused.
"What is that on the bottom of myskates?" This sweet little girl had no
idea ice skates had blades on the bottom.
So yeah, her fantasy of effortlessmovement melted away right there in
that rental booth, and on the ice,reality showed up real fast, wobbles,
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wide eyes, and long stretches of huggingthe wall like it was a safety rail.
But she also did something else that day.
She skated.
Just a little while holdinghands with an older family
friend who had more experience.
She didn't do it all on herown, and she didn't have to.
That day she stepped intosomething I've talked about
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before, conscious incompetence.
Before she laced up, she wasfull of unconscious incompetence:
she didn't know what she didn't know.
But the moment she realized this wasn'tgoing to go the way she'd imagined, that
uncomfortable drop in confidence, thatawareness of her ice skating incompetence,
that my friends is the learning pit.
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It's the moment we lose our footing,literally in this case, and become
fully aware of how far we have to go.
It's not fun, but it's wherethe real learning starts.
It's where the real learning happens.
Anytime we step into something new, usingai, implementing a new curriculum, trying
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a new strategy, it's easy to pictureourselves gliding straight into success.
We imagine control,confidence, smooth execution.
Reality hits pretty quickly though ifonly there was a wall to grab onto.
But that doesn't meanwe're doing it wrong.
It means we're in it becausegrowth doesn't come from
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getting it right the first time.
It comes from stepping in,realizing we're not there yet,
and choosing to keep going anyway.
And sometimes we need a steady handlike my daughter's friend, someone
who's skated this path before, whocould say, here, hold on, I've got you.
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That might be a colleague,an instructional coach,
someone from your virtual PLN.
Whoever it is, their hand makes theice feel less slippery And here's
the thing, we don't just need thatkind of modeling from our friends.
We are that modeling.
Every time we try something new infront of our students or our peers,
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even when we're unsure, even whenwe wobble, we're showing what it
looks like to take a productiverisk to step into the learning pit.
Our students don't learn growthmindset from posters of cats hanging
from branches on classroom walls.
They learn it when theywatch us live it out loud.
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They learn it when they hear ussay, this is my first time trying
this, and I'm not sure how it'll go.
And when they hear us say, oops, thatdidn't work, right, let's try that again.
You know, John Green, the author,he tells a story in his book, the
Anthropocene Reviewed about a fatherand a son who painted over a baseball.
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I'm not sure why, but they put onecoat of paint on that baseball and
then they did it again and again.
And over the years, actuallydecades, it became a 2.5 ton, 14 foot
circumference monument to persistence.
It literally is the world'slargest ball of paint.
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And yes, you can go visit it someday.
I'll be in Alexandria, Indiana.
I think that's where it is, andI'll go see it, and when I see
it, it won't look like a baseball,but that's how it started.
And it grew the same wayeverything does: with one coat.
And one more coat.
And one more coat.
So maybe today or this upcomingschool year isn't about gliding
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across the rink gracefully.
Maybe it's about putting on the skates,stepping into the pit, and adding one
honest coat to the work you're doing.
And yes, I've now officially mixedabout four metaphors together.
But hey, learning is messyand so is my brain sometimes.
You know, learning is messy becauseprogress, it isn't instant, it's
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layered, and if we persist, we improve.
So for those of you gearing up for thenew year, remember the world's largest
paintball started with one layer on aregular old baseball, becoming a confident
skater starts with holding onto the wallor someone's hand, and getting out of
a learning pit starts with the courageto step into it in the first place.
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So grab your skates, pick up your brush.
And take that next step,one coat at a time.
Before diving into today's EdTech andeducation news and updates, a quick
heads up if anything in this yieldsa reaction from you, whether it's a
must try, a virtual mind-blown emoji,or a mm not from me or a, I've got a
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better idea, please share your thoughts.
I'm eager to hear your insights.
You could post on Bluesky usinghashtag edu Duct tape or leave a voice
message at speakpipe.com/eduDuctTape.
If you've ever wished you had asuperpowered teaching assistant who
knew your subject respected studentprivacy and worked right inside your
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school's existing tech tools, Googlereports that they have good news for you.
So last week they announced Gemini foreducation, which they say will bring AI
into classrooms in a safer, smarter way.
Gemini for Education is built onGoogle Gemini 2.5 Pro, their most
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advanced multimodal AI model.
And it gives schools access toGoogle's top AI model with privacy
protections and admin controls baked in.
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it's included
free with Workspace for Education.
Now it's Google; so of course there's alsoa paid version, which I'll get to later.
But everyone gets access to a generoushelping of AI features, which includes
four new features, Gemini live, deepresearch, Gemini canvas, and gems.
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So what are those features you ask?
There's Gemini Live wherestudents and teachers can work
with the chat bot in real time.
And I don't just meantyping back and forth.
With Gemini live, you can actuallyhave a spoken conversation with Gemini,
almost like you're brainstormingout loud with a teaching assistant.
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Now, I haven't seen what the educationversion of this looks like, but there's
been a Gemini Live app available on iOSand Android for a few months now that
gives us a good idea of its capabilities.
When you speak to Gemini Live, itadapts to your conversational style.
You could ask follow up questions, youcould change topics, mid-sentence, or
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just talk your way through somethingwhile it listens and responds.
So I mentioned that it's not just atext-based chat, it's voice-based,
but that's not all because what reallysets Gemini Live apart, at least on
the mobile app, is its ability tobring in context from your environment.
You could share your screen, your camera,or upload files, and Gemini will use
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that as information for your discussion.
For example, Google says you can rehearsea presentation and get live real-time
coaching from Gemini Live; ask it forfeedback on a math problem or a rough
draft of a paper; snap a picture of atextbook and ask Gemini live to explain
it to you; share your screen to get helpunderstanding a confusing interface on
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a software or app, or upload a doc andhave Gemini help you break it down.
Most public examples show adultsusing this on mobile, getting recipe
suggestions, analyzing job descriptions,or troubleshooting DIY projects.
But in an education setting, you couldstart to see the potential right?
Giving feedback in the moment, unpackingtricky text or serving as a low stress
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study partner who doesn't mind if youask or your student asks, wait, what
does that mean five times in a row?
This could be especially powerful forlearners who think out loud, benefit from
repetition or just need help with that onetricky part that they can't quite grasp.
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Then there's deep research, which honestlymight be the most powerful and most
complicated feature in this whole rollout.
With deep research, Geminiisn't just answering a question.
It acts more like a research assistant,one that can browse the web, read
through dozens or even hundreds ofsources, and synthesize it into a
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multi-page report within minutes.
Now, to be clear, I have notseen the K to 12 version yet.
Everything I know is based onthe version available in Gemini
Advance, which I have not used,
i've just researched quite a bit.
The process goes like this, though.
Gemini first generates a researchplan based on your prompt.
Think of this like anoutline or a roadmap.
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It lays out what it's going to look for,how it plans to organize the information.
And which angles it might explore
.You can edit that plan
before Gemini gets started.
Add questions, remove sections orsteer it in a different direction.
From there, Gemini starts searching theweb, scanning a wide variety of sources.
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it actually
shows you where it's looking.
You could see a running list of websites
it's browsing, including howmany it is reviewed so far.
So not just one website, not justto a bunch, and you see them all,
but it doesn't stop at search.
Gemini iteratively refines its approach.
What does that mean?
It reads an article, it processes it,and it uses that new understanding
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to decide what to search for next,just like you would do if you were
adjusting your research strategy,mid-project, and then when it's all done,
The final product is a comprehensivereport, often several pages
long complete with citations andlinks to the original sources.
And once it's done, you'renot stuck with a static doc.
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You could turn that report into an audiooverview like Notebook, lm, or export it
into Google Gemini Canvas, where you couldbuild interactive materials like quizzes,
visuals, study guides andmore (more on Gemini Canvas
in a little bit, by the way).
Uh, but deep research actuallyreminds me the most of NotebookLM,
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but there's a twist while NotebookLMworks only from documents you upload,
deep research can also autonomouslygather new sources from the web.
You could still upload your ownsyllabus or study guide, but it's
the Search plus Synthesis combothat makes this truly next level.
And even after the report is complete,if that's not the end of the process,
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Gemini can keep going, answering yourfollow-up questions, drilling deeper
or revising based on your feedback.
And in theory, this isall super duper amazing.
In fact, in a demo, a Google productmanager used deep research to
quickly compile a report on remotework's impact on urban development.
He skipped the reading, the sifting, andthe analysis, and in the video he said,
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"I don't know about you, but readingthis much stuff would've certainly
taken me hours." And yeah, he's right.
That's impressive.
But here's the thing.
He also skipped the learning.
He didn't read the articles.
He didn't wrestle with the contradictions.
He didn't make meaning for himself.
He didn't pause or wonderor reflect while he read.
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He didn't think.
And in his job, maybe that wasfine for this specific task.
Maybe he just needed a quick briefingon one small aspect of a bigger project.
But in our classrooms, that kind ofshortcut can be dangerous because
research, at least for our learners,isn't just about the product.
It's about the process.
It's about learning about a concept.
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And also learning to ask betterquestions, follow your curiosity, compare
sources, and form your own conclusions.
Deep research threatens to do all ofthat for students, if we're not careful,
I. So, yeah, it's powerful and yes, ithas a clear benefit for us as teachers
prepping for a unit, gathering resourcesor ramping up quickly on a familiar topic.
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But for students, we'll need to bereally intentional about when, how,
why, and maybe if we have them use it.
When I told you about Gemini's DeepResearch, I mentioned that you can export
the report into Gemini Canvas to createquizzes, visual study guides, and more.
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So let's talk about that.
Gemini Canvas, not to be confused withthe learning management system of the
same name, is a collaborative space whereyou create content alongside Gemini.
Think of it as a creative sandboxmore than just a doc or a chat window
where you can write, code, prototypeand build with the help of Gemini's
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gemini 2.5 Pro.
It acts like a design andbuild layer on top of Gemini.
You describe what you want, aninfographic, a quiz, a webpage, or
even a simple app or game, and Geminibuilds it while you talk to it,
well, type to it.
You can create everything frominteractive timelines and study
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guides to planet simulators andmusic synthesizers all in one place.
Now, again, I haven't seen theK to 12 version yet, but Canvas
has been out since spring and itscapabilities are really impressive.
As I mentioned before, Canvas worksseamlessly with deep research.
And once your report is generatedin deep research, you can click
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create and transform that report intosomething in Canvas, like a quiz or an
infographic or a series of quizzes oran audio overview, like in NotebookLM,
or an interactive webpage instantly.
And then you could share thatinstructional resource, even those quizzes
and those simulators with your learners.
Canvas also supports draftingand refining writing.
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So you can workshop lessons,expand key sections, adjust
tone, and get instant feedback.
Upload a study guide and canvas caneven build a custom quiz from it right
there for you for review or for youto share right from there with others.
And if you're into coding or computerscience, canvas can visualize algorithms,
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animating complex concepts tomake them easier to understand.
It's crazy.
Bottom line, canvas has huge potential.
Teachers, it sounds like, canquickly build differentiated
materials for their learners withit, students could potentially
prototype or code or visualize ideas.
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Anyone can turn a concept intosomething interactive with it.
It promises to be a powerful newtool in the Google Gemini ecosystem.
Then there's gems, which mightbe one of the most flexible and
honestly fun features in Gemini.
And coolest names too,by the way, I dig it.
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If you're like me, every time youtry something new with an AI tool,
there's a little back and forthto get it to do what you want.
Lots of tweaking, refining, andoccasionally just starting over from
scratch when you realize the errorin your ways until finally you get
the AI to do what you want it to do.
How you want it to do it.
Am I alone on this?
I don't think so.
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So with gems, you could bakethat customization in once
and use it again and again.
You build a gem by giving it detailedinstructions-- tone preferences,
uploaded files, or even personalitytraits-- that GEM becomes a reusable
AI assistant trained to do that task,
your way.
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Imagine creating gems that write lessonplans in your style, build pre-assessments
aligned to your standards, or generatedifferentiated assignments rooted in
UDL because you gave it the guidelines,and then you just come back and use
those gems again whenever you need them.
If you need some training wheels onwhat gems might look like, you could
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start with the pre-made gems, likelearning coach, writing editor, coding
partner, brainstormer, and career guide.
They're available in the GemManager or in the Gemini sidebar.
. Speaking of which, did you find a gemthere that's close but not quite right?
You can copy it and tweak it and thensave it to fit your needs and reuse later.
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So Google shared some standout educationexamples of using gems like a lesson
planning gem aligned to your curriculum.
A translator gem that rewritescontent in multiple languages.
A math generator gem that buildsdifferentiated problem sets
for you, a citation assistantfor student research and
an event planning gem to helpwith ceremonies or planning a PD.
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You can even upload context into the gem,like a syllabus or exemplar and connect
apps to it, like YouTube or Google Maps.
You can even give your gem a tone or apersona to communicate with you with.
Want a math tutor whosounds like a pirate?
I guess, go for it.
It'll probably be superexcited when you ask him how to
calculate the area of a circle.
There's a little math joke for you.
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Did you get that one?
So, while gems are currently rollingout for users who are 18 or older,
I can absolutely imagine studentfacing gems, like a study buddy or
a quiz generator built by teachersand then shared by students.
And as far as I could tell, that's okay.
The teacher creates the gem'cause they're 18 or older.
The students can then interact withit, just not create their own gem.
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So think custom chatbots, but withmore personality and precision
customized to your exact needs.
Your standards, your curriculum,your learners, if that reminds you of
some of the features in MagicSchoolor school AI and things like that.
Yeah, it reminds me of that too, but itseems like we do a lot more than that
with gems not just those custom chatbots.
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And get this, you can now access gems inthe sidebar of docs, slides and sheets.
They're there and ready for youwhere they act as context aware
assistants for your writing, yourbrainstorming, and your editing.
If you've ever found yourselfretyping, the same, elaborate
prompt to AI wishing AI couldjust get what you're trying to do.
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Gems might be your new favorite thingbecause they'll remember it next time.
I think Gemini for education'smost important feature
might be what it doesn't do.
Check this out.
No data is human reviewed, nothingentered is used to train the model.
extra guardrails are included forstudents under 18 Inappropriate
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content is flagged and AI literacyresources endorsed by connect safely
and FOSI are built into the tool.
Also Gemini supports compliancewith COPPA, FERPA, HIPPA, FedRAMP,
and more, and has earned theCommon Sense Media privacy seal.
It's available in over 40languages and 230 plus countries.
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Admins control access for schoolaccounts, so if you're not ready to turn
it on for students, you don't have to.
Now, I'll be honest, I haven't used allof these features yet, but I've been
impressed with the thoughtful direction.
And while I always advise cautionwith shiny new tools, this one feels
like a step forward for schools thatwant both innovation and safety.
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So let me know what you think.
I'd love to hear your thoughts.
Mention me on Bluesky or drop mea voice memo at speakpipe.com/edu.
Duct tape
Let's talk about the fine printof Gemini for education, google's
AI suite made just for schools.
Like most things Google nowadays,there is a free version that everybody
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gets and a pro upgrade, and the bigquestion is, what's the difference and
is the pro version really worth it?
So let's start with what you get for free.
The free version comes with allWorkspace for Education editions,
so all schools have access to it,and it actually includes a lot.
It comes with gems where you couldbuild your own custom AI assistant, like
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a lesson planner, a writing coach, atranslator, or a study buddy, tailored
to your tone, your style, and your tasks.
It also comes with Gemini Canvas,that creative sandbox for drafting,
coding, building quizzes, anddesigning visuals with AI based on
your prompts or your uploaded content.
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And it comes with Gemini Live, which letsyou talk to Gemini out loud, ask follow
up questions, share your screen, uploada doc, and get real time help, as well
as workspace integration, admin controls,and strong data privacy protections,
including no data reviewed and no useof your content for training the AI
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model That's all fully included with nomention of usage caps on those core tools.
That's pretty impressive for a free tool.
Now, there are two tools that includeusage caps in the free version
first, Gemini 2.5 Pro Access, whichis Google's most advanced AI model.
It sounds like once you hit yourcap, you drop to a lighter weight
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version, so not Gemini 2.5 Pro,but some other version of Gemini.
It's not clear what it is though.
There's also a cap on deep research.
That tool that creates multi-page citedreports based on web and document sources.
So on the free accounts, youcan access deep research and
use it, but there's a cap.
I'm assuming it's how manytimes you could use it per day.
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We'll find out more on that soon.
And there's also a cap on audiooverviews, which turns docs into
podcast style audio summaries.
Now, that's not a surprise becauseNotebook LM has been capped to
how many you could do per day,um, on the free version since it
came out, or at least for months.
So yes, the free tier gives you thetools, but with some restrictions
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on the most powerful features.
Still, that's a whole lot of AIfor $0 and for many teachers and
schools it may be more than enoughto explore and at least get started.
Let's be real though.
Google's playing a smart game here.
They're not just being generous.
Giving this away helps them competewith platforms like ChatGPT.
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It may create students who continue to useGemini after graduation, and it just might
make schools consider upgrading to pro.
So what does the Gemini Educationupgrade or PRO actually add?
Well, it gives you expanded limitsfor deep research and audio overviews.
I mentioned that they werecapped in the free, those
limits are expanded in the pro.
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It gives you support for larger fileuploads, so your files can have up to
1,500 pages to be summarized and analyzed.
It gives you direct integration into Gmailand docs and slides and forms and more.
I'm assuming you don't get any integrationinto them from Gemini 2.5 Pro on the
free version, we'll see though, and itgives you full access to Notebook LM
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with five times the NotebookLM limitsand extra features in Notebook LM too.
So, yes, you can get the CoreGemini tools for free, but pro
kind of supercharges everything.
More access, more integrations, morestorage, and more ways to scale if
your district is going all in on AI.
So is pro worth the price?
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Well, that depends on yourneeds and your admin's budget.
N not to mention that it also dependson the fact that I can't even tell
you what the price is since Googleasks you to call them for a quote.
So once you find out the price,then you could determine if
it's worth the price or not.
But either way, the fact that schoolsnow get meaningful privacy, respecting
AI tools for free is still a big deal.
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So will your school stick withthe free version or upgrade
to pro, or turn it all off?
Let me know what your school's thinking.
Mention me on Bluesky or leave a voicememo at speakpipe.com/eduDuctTape.
When I introduced Gemini foreducation, I mentioned admin control.
So let's dig into those forthe Google admins out there.
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So.
Gemini for education givesIT admins a surprising amount
of power to set guardrails.
In the admin console they couldturn Gemini access on or off for
everyone or for specific groups.
So if you want to test it out withjust your high school students or
just your staff, that is doable.
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You don't have to have it on for all.
The admin has that control.
There's also usage reporting foradmins, which shows how many users are
actively using Gemini and how oftenyou might use that to help surface
both who your AI all stars are andthe folks who might need more support.
It also helps you know if it's worthpaying for that pro version or not.
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If you see a lot of use, maybeyou should be considering it.
And here's a little nugget I foundwhile investigating this, it was
buried kind of in the fine print.
It turns out that each user iscapped at 1000 Gemini uses per month.
Now that's a lot, and so I thinkit probably isn't a big deal, but
they weren't forthcoming aboutthat anywhere in the details.
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1000 Gemini uses per month.
Now before they hit that limit,they'll get a warning, and then
at 1000, they're gonna be cutoff until the end of the month.
So admins in their console can seewhich users are nearing that limit,
which could help them avoid somefrustrated calls from your staff.
So interesting to know about thatlimit and nice that the admins
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have access to seeing where you'reat if you're approaching that.
Now, a privacy heads up.
Another feature that admins have is theuse of Google Vault to search Gemini
conversations and export results.
They can also set their retention policiesjust like they always do in Google Vault
for how long those chats stick around.
And these guardrails are probablya good thing for keeping students
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safe and ensuring appropriate use.
I'm going to assume that that means thatthe adult users, yes that includes you,
the teachers should expect that yourconversations with the Gemini chatbots
can also be retained by your organization,just like your email or your Google Docs
using these tools through your employer,it means you're not guaranteed privacy.
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I think that's kind of obvious thatwe're not guaranteed that privacy, but
I just wanted to make sure it was clearto you that your admin, it seems, does
have access to all that informationwhen you're using your school account.
More important than how it impactsthe teachers though, I think, is that
this helps us assure that studentsare using these tools appropriately.
Overall, I think it's nice to knowthat Gemini for education comes
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with oversight from the admins.
Okay, so we barely scratched the surfaceof Google's ISTE 2025 announcements.
In the next episode, we will discussthe additions that they're making to
Google Classroom and wow, it's a lot.
So make sure you're subscribed to theshow to avoid missing those updates.
And as always, if you've got thoughtson any of today's topics, hit me up.
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Hashtag edu Duct tape on Blueskyor speakpipe.com/eduDuctTape.
I love hearing how you're usingthese updates in real classrooms.
Thanks for tuning in and for all thatyou do for learners, please make sure
that you're subscribed so you don't missthat next episode when we talk about
the Google Classroom updates coming toGoogle in the 2025-2026 school year.
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