September 15, 2024 • 27 mins
Have you heard the term, useful idiot? What kind of elements are behind the organized protests against Israel and for terrorist organizations, e.g., Hamas?
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Show notes with links to articles, blog posts, products and services:
- Live-stream (The Right to Protest and Useful Idiots) on September 13
- Thor's hammer, Mjölnir
- Right to protest - Wikipedia
- Useful idiot
- Bulletin Board System (BBS)
- What is Objectivism?
- The Democrats (Demokraterna) in Gothenburg
- Demokraterna and my comment on Instagram
- Information about Pro-Palestinian demonstration on campus - Chalmers
- Regarding the tent manifestation in Vasaparken - University of Gothenburg
- Free Speech Absolutism
- Payot (sidelocks)
- Knesset
- Benjamin Netanyahu
- Atom symbol (emoji)
- Atomic whirl
- Counter Terrorism Guide: Hamas
- Mosab Hassan Yousef
- Mosab Hassan Yousef on Instagram
- THE CASE AGAINST UNRWA: How UN schools use our tax money to teach Palestinian children to hate and kill Jews
- Qatari support for Hamas
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Martin (00:02):
Eagle Net cost Welcome to Ego Netcost live streaming.
My name is Martin Lindeskook.
Today is still first day in America, so I will
use the Mjolnir Thor's hammer for Torstog inSwedish and ventilate a bit about the topic.
(00:31):
And today's title was the right of to protest.
And I looked at the Wikipedia thing there
about protest thing, what you're todemonstrate and then if you know about the
(00:51):
term expression useful idiot.
And I will include that in the show notes when
I editing this into a podcast episode of egoNetcast podcast, I think it's 135, I believe
(01:12):
it is.
So that's an expression that also will
include, as I said, it could sound harsh, butit's interesting words meaning an expression
useful idiot.
And it has a connection together with the
(01:34):
right to protest and people who are very keenon demonstrating.
And I have a note card here for the liveviewers on model 1927, written by hand, a
pencil in order to keep track here.
Again, I want to have this short and sweet for
(01:55):
my own sake and for you as a listener andwatcher viewer to have it around 15 minutes.
This topic could talk a long time, that's forsure.
And again you could wonder why talk aboutthis?
Is it useful to do?But it triggered me.
(02:17):
And then, as I will say at the ending, Iwanted to get it out in my way on my platform,
because I have an expression here at the endthat I will made up expression what could
happen on the Internet and by having arguingonline.
(02:40):
And I've been there for a long time, but alsoback in the day it was, you could have argued
on bulletin boards, bbs, and then you had toput in a hashtag with your topic name, for
example, as we did Lyceum, where the channelcalled Lyceum and talking about Rand's
(03:02):
philosophy, objectivism.
And there we had certain ground rules, what,
how you have the debate and discussion anddiscourse and what was allowed to say, and not
because it was our so called room.
And then of course you have to follow a room
of interrelated chat also and freedom ofexpression.
(03:23):
And that's the whole thing that we're comingto here as an introduction here.
It's already some minutes here and I was a bitlate also, so you have to take it what it is.
I will try to do this as a routine and see ifI get going here in order to create content.
(03:44):
So I saw an Instagram photo and a post on theSwedish Britain, you party in Gothenburg,
Sweden called the Democrats and they have saidthat so called a camp, tent camp of
(04:09):
demonstrators that have could say occupied.
And this is where it gets complicated.
The university area.
Gothenburg University.
University of Gothenburg.
On a hill.
You could say it's middle of the city, soyou'll see it.
(04:32):
And that was my personal reaction, to seethese tents, camps with this flag by the so
called palestinian territory.
And also, of course, I'm for freedom
expression.
It's a satire, but it was of a prime minister
with blood on his face.
And then all kind of.
(04:54):
And I don't like that expression, but hatespeech against Israel in different ways.
Sometimes it's so called between the lines.
And then you hear, probably when you hear and
listen to this, when we are shouting andpropaganda and the microphones.
(05:14):
And also if you talk in another language, itcan be in different ways.
I come back to this in the future.
So it's so called some students, but it seems
to be other elements that what I wrote in thedescription.
Also, if you know about the elements, and thathas to do with the term useful idiots who are
(05:39):
demonstrating who is behind this, what kind ofelements, who is supporting this kind of
thing.
Because I'm, as they say, Elon Musk is free
speech absolutist.
And I am that also, even with things that I
don't agree with.
I know, and this is where the scary part comes
in.
If some of these elements will gain power, I
(06:02):
will not be allowed to speak up, that's forsure.
Because if you speak up for freedom ofexpression, free speech, rational ideas, free
society, free market, what could happen then?And that we have seen during the history.
So it was a post by a party in Gothenburg, theDemocrats, that said that these tent camps
(06:29):
occupying the university area in Gothenburg,middle of Gothenburg, in the city, that's
illegal.
They don't have any permission.
When you do a regular demonstration walking,you have to ask for a permit from police.
And then again, I have solution to thisproblem.
(06:51):
And also if you really have a right todemonstrate whenever on so called, and I do an
air quote here on public land in a city or auniversity.
And that's again, that's the crux of aproblem.
Why this getting so complicated?Because it's pretty easy in a way.
And I know individuals who really going todigging into this rules about having
(07:20):
demonstration permits, what to do.
Because this is a political agenda, this is
political correctness and pushing somelobbyists and others.
If some other views will come across that Idon't either agree with, then it will probably
(07:41):
be some other decisions.
But that also have happened back in the day.
And they are pretty similar.
That's the thing.
They are united against Israel, the NationalSocialists, the regular socialists and the
militant Muslims against Israel.
(08:04):
And for the record, I'm not a religious
person.
I'm not for the so called corkscrews, orthodox
Jews that have special rights, so to speak.
And the Knesset is, you could say, in a mess,
in a way the political situation is instable.
(08:27):
I think Netanyahu, yao, or how you say him, is
too weak that you don't often hear.
They think that he is in hawk, but that's his
problem there.
And I think hopefully a so called middle class
in Israel, a secular middle class, will comeup with a party or a movement to have real
(08:54):
stable secular society.
And.
Yeah, so the whole situation and of coursehistorical.
And now we're going on tangent here alreadyaround ten minutes, the history and the word
Palestine and the former word of Israel andhow they did this map and how we draw the
(09:16):
lines and the maps.
And then of course, United nations declaration
there with Israel as a state and so on.
But I said on my comment here on the Democrats
in Gutenberg, thanks for supporting a secularGothenburg and then used the atheist symbol or
(09:38):
the nuclear symbol, the purple one.
Now I'm drawing, see, like this.
And then in the middle dot the nuclear powerand symbol of atheism.
And that's the absence of God.
I'm not.
It's not the perfect definition of myself, butin this case I use it.
(10:05):
So when I comment on that it was a personwithout real name.
Of course, you could always find them.
I think this person, I think it's.
He did the selfie and so on in his own photo,Instagram photos.
But he said something common to me.
What do you mean by secular?
(10:26):
And why is the Democrats, the Democrat partyin Gothenburg, why are they for that?
And the so called right to protest ordemonstrate or really to occupy a property, a
land in the city near the university.
So it looks sms.
(10:47):
It's not nice to see.
It's been there for a long time.
They are in the way of traffic and others.
It looks, as I said, ugly.
It's not a nice symbol, we could say, forlearning in university.
(11:08):
But then the commentators say that we shouldhave this.
And then I comment back and then he commentback again.
And that got me thinking, should I continuewith this, to comment or come up with a
response?And I know individuals that have really worked
on this issue and problem, so I will come backwith that.
(11:31):
But then I mentioned that these who calledprotesters and demonstrators were against
Israel for some reason, and they are for andsupporter of Hamas in one way or another, and
other terrorist organizations that are listedas terrorist organizations.
(11:53):
So then I commented also linking to a son ofHamas founders.
Now, as you pronounce the name right, MusabHassan Youssef.
So include that in Michonne podcast episode.
(12:14):
He was the son of a Hamas founder, and now he
fled where I'm coming from, if it wasPalestine, so called Palestine, or Lebanon, or
some other place in the Middle east, and thenmove to America.
(12:35):
That said, it's interesting that the so calledleaders of Hamas, many of them.
Where are they located?Have a guess.
I think one place is like Qatar or somethinglike that.
Maybe Saudi Arabia, I don't know.
But that's something you could follow, so
called the money, and that's the aid moneythat's going to.
(12:58):
That are controlled by the UN so callededucational school system.
And what they are teaching in these schoolsabout Israel, about youth and the hatred
coming there, and how male students, how theylearn from an early age.
(13:19):
And I will find a video including that in tohate the use being against Israel.
And then take up arms and join Hamas.
That is a terrorist organization.
And recently it was an incident here inGothenburg by a leftist left party or its
(13:42):
former communist party in Gothenburg.
And there it was an organizer there that I've
done lots of protests and demonstrations inthe public.
And he and I don't know, the cameras, or howdo you call it, overview cameras, ECTs or ETCs
(14:03):
or whatever it's called, cameras.
Who started the fight, where it was a
journalist that had been writing for theGutenberg Post.
And now he's more like you could say,independent citizen journalist.
And he get support from the viewers and so on.
(14:23):
And he had done some research on this leftist
party member representing left party ingoodwill and wanted to ask things about that.
And this guy supposedly then hit him and tothe ground, took his phone.
And we'll see how that Fred is going, if youdo a search on that.
(14:47):
So again, this guy, the commentator on theDemocrats thread, but I will comment it as a
support for what we are saying that thereforefreedom of expression as myself.
But it's illegal what they are doing now.
They have done this now for a long time,
(15:07):
occupied this area, messing things up andhaving these tents and all these things that
we have in this area.
So do they have a permission to be there?
What's this land?Who's owning that?
Are you allowed to do this kind of thing?And then this commentator said something about
(15:31):
the European Commission.
Then I had to search for it in order to
protest or demonstrate.
And that articles nine to eleven.
And that's talking about freedom ofexpression, freedom of, how you say, joined
groups and movements and freedom of speech.
(15:52):
But then also to have peaceful demonstrations.
And the word is peaceful.
And what's going on in this occupied area of
the university land is not so peaceful, Ithink.
So that's something to think about.
(16:13):
And who's behind these elements?
And are they students of Gothenburg Universityor they're coming from others?
This is coming back to the day.
And I'm not a fan of Bush's former presidents,
but when he came, and when I was in America,came for a visit to Gothenburg, it was this
(16:33):
rally in Gothenburg.
People taking up stones from the roads,
throwing it.
It was a mess, total mess.
And then the police had to come in, becausethese were organized around Europe, called the
zoo, called the streets, demonstrators of astreet or something like that.
(16:55):
And this occupy movement.
And it was total a mess.
These are organized in different ways.
I did a so called back in the day, a pro
counter demonstra demonstration.
One person, one individual with an american
flag.
And I didn't interrupt the demonstration.
(17:15):
I was standing on central of Sweden, near thePoseidon statue on the avenue in Gothenburg,
and talked to the police.
And there it was, this crowd against so called
american war, against Iraq and the dictatorSaddam Hussein.
So there was support for dictator SaddamHussein against the so called invasion.
(17:41):
And what, and I say for record, it was not thebest way to do it.
They should have attacked the dictators andthe ayatollahs in Iran, because that's the
center of terrorism.
Supporting organizations like Hamas.
In their case, it's more Hezbollah, what Iknow about.
(18:03):
And that we could come back for another day.
What's the so called difference and
resemblance?And they unite against a common enemy, plot
different forms of Islam, Shiites and whatnot.
So do you have the right to do this and what's
the solution?And when I search for my favorite author and
(18:26):
philosopher Rand, Miss Rand, about articlesand essays about this, and I found that I will
link and read again and see what saying thetitle was the cash in colonization, the
student rebellion.
Because back in the day, in the seventies, it
(18:48):
was almost you were left leaning, or you wereeven more left like a communist, or even more.
And that's all the splinter groups that'shappening.
And also her essay called man's rights aboutproperty rights.
Now take a sip of tea here.
(19:08):
Cheers.
Drinking english breakfast black tea blend.
So the solution for this is what's property
rights and do the university.
And this is getting complicated because it's
like a so called public education institution,I think.
(19:29):
It's not a private one.
So who's owning the land?
Is it the commune or is it the institutionsomehow how it's working but mere phase of it
to set up a tent.
Of course, if you can move it, but put it so
you can't move it and then be there for a verylong time, do you have a right to do that or
(19:54):
could they be somewhere else?And the solution here, I have a card here to
have a positive thing about what you couldlearn from it.
It was a discussion between Amy peacoff on herchannel, her video channel, on what's called
Bitshoot Channel, talking with Insta Pundit,blogger Glenn Reynolds, and he is in lawyer or
(20:22):
law professor, and he talked about howindifferent, when it was these demonstrations
in, in America, what was going on.
Some university did it in a good way,
proactive way, and some were doing it.
Yes, it got even worse.
What could you learn from that?Again, so about these different elements is
(20:46):
something to think about, who's behind theseorganizations and demonstrates and what are
they saying?As I said, I'm not for this classification of
hate speech and what's that for freedom ofexpression, but we have to take account and
take responsibility for what we are saying.
(21:07):
And these expression hate against Israel and
the support of the terrorist organizations,that's something to think about.
And again, why are they doing this?And it's this like organized and this that I
was coming to useful idiots that was used withconnection with, I think it was Leonin and
(21:34):
others and different, again, splinter groupson the left and the communists and also here
in Europe, then how they could use usefulidiots for their purposes.
So that's something to dig into more.
Who is behind this demonstration and this tent
(21:56):
camp and who are in the tents?And are they peaceful or are they aggressive?
And what's their goal?That's something to think about also, because
you could see all the props there with maps ofso called when palestinian territory and the
(22:20):
history and Israel and go and read the source.
What are the Hamas organization?
What are they saying?What are they standing for?
And who attacked Israel in the beginning ofthe year and killed civilians and Israel
(22:41):
response and how, what's the solution for thisproblem and this situation now?
It will be more like half an hour.
I was planning of 50 minutes, but yeah, it's a
topic you could talk more about in a civilizedway.
But I will do the ending here.
(23:01):
I will talk to a friend that is very into this
situation when I have learned about it anddoing it in very great work, but the legal
things about this and how it should be done.
So she has a great project there.
So I will see if she has something coming upwith something that I could share in this
(23:24):
comment thread, like my last remark.
But I think this person has, as I call it in
Swedish, tid posina fingerar or time on yourfingers, or you have time on your hands doing
nothing.
And you had to have the so called last word
and you're sitting there with a keyboard andwaiting for me to respond.
(23:44):
And because I said thanks for supporting asecular Gotenburg, that was it.
Of course, you could think what's that to dowith the post about that it's illegal tent
camp.
But again, if you look what Hamas is standing
for, because they are supporting Hamas andcall it that, it should be not listed as a
(24:10):
terrorist organization and whatnot.
So you have that and that again against
Israel.
It's the socialist, it's the National
Socialist and the militant Muslims, and theyare religious to the core and they are reading
the so called holy scripture as the devil isdoing that, and then have this hatred and
(24:37):
aggression and violence and terror activism.
And I can't get it how you could support these
kind of organizations.
Israel is not perfect.
They have issues.
And you also have to understand the history.
And I bought a book fair some years ago froman organization supporting a peaceful way in
(25:00):
Israel.
And it was very informative about the whole
history, all the details with solutions, whatyou could do and how we continue.
And this as a call to action.
I'm very interested as a new media advisor,
supporter of a podcast in 2.0 initiative tosupport freedom of expression in a peaceful
(25:24):
way.
We could continue the conversation and the
discourse and the debate.
But again, this commentator have some kind of
agenda, but then playing this role that I haveto explain myself and probably continue to
reply and reply again and again.
(25:46):
I don't know what was trigger, if he is a
secular person, but Hamas supporter orwhatnot, or if it's really supporting peaceful
demonstrations that I don't think this tentcamp is so, but we will see and we will follow
(26:07):
this along here in Gothenburg, Sweden.
And if you have anything that you want to
share, any examples from your area, what'sgoing on and if you have any ideas, what's the
elements behind these demonstrations andactions against Israel and these demonstrators
(26:30):
that are really supporters of terroristorganizations, for example, Hamas.
And if they are organized that have a longhistory of useful idiots.
And with that I say Cheerio and talk to yousoon again.
Bye for now.
(27:09):
Sadeena Namdeh.
Eagle Net cost Welcome to Ego Netcost live streaming.
My name is Martin Lindeskook.
Today is still first day in America, so I will
use the Mjolnir Thor's hammer for Torstog inSwedish and ventilate a bit about the topic.
(00:31):
And today's title was the right of to protest.
And I looked at the Wikipedia thing there
about protest thing, what you're todemonstrate and then if you know about the
(00:51):
term expression useful idiot.
And I will include that in the show notes when
I editing this into a podcast episode of egoNetcast podcast, I think it's 135, I believe
(01:12):
it is.
So that's an expression that also will
include, as I said, it could sound harsh, butit's interesting words meaning an expression
useful idiot.
And it has a connection together with the
(01:34):
right to protest and people who are very keenon demonstrating.
And I have a note card here for the liveviewers on model 1927, written by hand, a
pencil in order to keep track here.
Again, I want to have this short and sweet for
(01:55):
my own sake and for you as a listener andwatcher viewer to have it around 15 minutes.
This topic could talk a long time, that's forsure.
And again you could wonder why talk aboutthis?
Is it useful to do?But it triggered me.
(02:17):
And then, as I will say at the ending, Iwanted to get it out in my way on my platform,
because I have an expression here at the endthat I will made up expression what could
happen on the Internet and by having arguingonline.
(02:40):
And I've been there for a long time, but alsoback in the day it was, you could have argued
on bulletin boards, bbs, and then you had toput in a hashtag with your topic name, for
example, as we did Lyceum, where the channelcalled Lyceum and talking about Rand's
(03:02):
philosophy, objectivism.
And there we had certain ground rules, what,
how you have the debate and discussion anddiscourse and what was allowed to say, and not
because it was our so called room.
And then of course you have to follow a room
of interrelated chat also and freedom ofexpression.
(03:23):
And that's the whole thing that we're comingto here as an introduction here.
It's already some minutes here and I was a bitlate also, so you have to take it what it is.
I will try to do this as a routine and see ifI get going here in order to create content.
(03:44):
So I saw an Instagram photo and a post on theSwedish Britain, you party in Gothenburg,
Sweden called the Democrats and they have saidthat so called a camp, tent camp of
(04:09):
demonstrators that have could say occupied.
And this is where it gets complicated.
The university area.
Gothenburg University.
University of Gothenburg.
On a hill.
You could say it's middle of the city, soyou'll see it.
(04:32):
And that was my personal reaction, to seethese tents, camps with this flag by the so
called palestinian territory.
And also, of course, I'm for freedom
expression.
It's a satire, but it was of a prime minister
with blood on his face.
And then all kind of.
(04:54):
And I don't like that expression, but hatespeech against Israel in different ways.
Sometimes it's so called between the lines.
And then you hear, probably when you hear and
listen to this, when we are shouting andpropaganda and the microphones.
(05:14):
And also if you talk in another language, itcan be in different ways.
I come back to this in the future.
So it's so called some students, but it seems
to be other elements that what I wrote in thedescription.
Also, if you know about the elements, and thathas to do with the term useful idiots who are
(05:39):
demonstrating who is behind this, what kind ofelements, who is supporting this kind of
thing.
Because I'm, as they say, Elon Musk is free
speech absolutist.
And I am that also, even with things that I
don't agree with.
I know, and this is where the scary part comes
in.
If some of these elements will gain power, I
(06:02):
will not be allowed to speak up, that's forsure.
Because if you speak up for freedom ofexpression, free speech, rational ideas, free
society, free market, what could happen then?And that we have seen during the history.
So it was a post by a party in Gothenburg, theDemocrats, that said that these tent camps
(06:29):
occupying the university area in Gothenburg,middle of Gothenburg, in the city, that's
illegal.
They don't have any permission.
When you do a regular demonstration walking,you have to ask for a permit from police.
And then again, I have solution to thisproblem.
(06:51):
And also if you really have a right todemonstrate whenever on so called, and I do an
air quote here on public land in a city or auniversity.
And that's again, that's the crux of aproblem.
Why this getting so complicated?Because it's pretty easy in a way.
And I know individuals who really going todigging into this rules about having
(07:20):
demonstration permits, what to do.
Because this is a political agenda, this is
political correctness and pushing somelobbyists and others.
If some other views will come across that Idon't either agree with, then it will probably
(07:41):
be some other decisions.
But that also have happened back in the day.
And they are pretty similar.
That's the thing.
They are united against Israel, the NationalSocialists, the regular socialists and the
militant Muslims against Israel.
(08:04):
And for the record, I'm not a religious
person.
I'm not for the so called corkscrews, orthodox
Jews that have special rights, so to speak.
And the Knesset is, you could say, in a mess,
in a way the political situation is instable.
(08:27):
I think Netanyahu, yao, or how you say him, is
too weak that you don't often hear.
They think that he is in hawk, but that's his
problem there.
And I think hopefully a so called middle class
in Israel, a secular middle class, will comeup with a party or a movement to have real
(08:54):
stable secular society.
And.
Yeah, so the whole situation and of coursehistorical.
And now we're going on tangent here alreadyaround ten minutes, the history and the word
Palestine and the former word of Israel andhow they did this map and how we draw the
(09:16):
lines and the maps.
And then of course, United nations declaration
there with Israel as a state and so on.
But I said on my comment here on the Democrats
in Gutenberg, thanks for supporting a secularGothenburg and then used the atheist symbol or
(09:38):
the nuclear symbol, the purple one.
Now I'm drawing, see, like this.
And then in the middle dot the nuclear powerand symbol of atheism.
And that's the absence of God.
I'm not.
It's not the perfect definition of myself, butin this case I use it.
(10:05):
So when I comment on that it was a personwithout real name.
Of course, you could always find them.
I think this person, I think it's.
He did the selfie and so on in his own photo,Instagram photos.
But he said something common to me.
What do you mean by secular?
(10:26):
And why is the Democrats, the Democrat partyin Gothenburg, why are they for that?
And the so called right to protest ordemonstrate or really to occupy a property, a
land in the city near the university.
So it looks sms.
(10:47):
It's not nice to see.
It's been there for a long time.
They are in the way of traffic and others.
It looks, as I said, ugly.
It's not a nice symbol, we could say, forlearning in university.
(11:08):
But then the commentators say that we shouldhave this.
And then I comment back and then he commentback again.
And that got me thinking, should I continuewith this, to comment or come up with a
response?And I know individuals that have really worked
on this issue and problem, so I will come backwith that.
(11:31):
But then I mentioned that these who calledprotesters and demonstrators were against
Israel for some reason, and they are for andsupporter of Hamas in one way or another, and
other terrorist organizations that are listedas terrorist organizations.
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So then I commented also linking to a son ofHamas founders.
Now, as you pronounce the name right, MusabHassan Youssef.
So include that in Michonne podcast episode.
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He was the son of a Hamas founder, and now he
fled where I'm coming from, if it wasPalestine, so called Palestine, or Lebanon, or
some other place in the Middle east, and thenmove to America.
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That said, it's interesting that the so calledleaders of Hamas, many of them.
Where are they located?Have a guess.
I think one place is like Qatar or somethinglike that.
Maybe Saudi Arabia, I don't know.
But that's something you could follow, so
called the money, and that's the aid moneythat's going to.
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That are controlled by the UN so callededucational school system.
And what they are teaching in these schoolsabout Israel, about youth and the hatred
coming there, and how male students, how theylearn from an early age.
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And I will find a video including that in tohate the use being against Israel.
And then take up arms and join Hamas.
That is a terrorist organization.
And recently it was an incident here inGothenburg by a leftist left party or its
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former communist party in Gothenburg.
And there it was an organizer there that I've
done lots of protests and demonstrations inthe public.
And he and I don't know, the cameras, or howdo you call it, overview cameras, ECTs or ETCs
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or whatever it's called, cameras.
Who started the fight, where it was a
journalist that had been writing for theGutenberg Post.
And now he's more like you could say,independent citizen journalist.
And he get support from the viewers and so on.
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And he had done some research on this leftist
party member representing left party ingoodwill and wanted to ask things about that.
And this guy supposedly then hit him and tothe ground, took his phone.
And we'll see how that Fred is going, if youdo a search on that.
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So again, this guy, the commentator on theDemocrats thread, but I will comment it as a
support for what we are saying that thereforefreedom of expression as myself.
But it's illegal what they are doing now.
They have done this now for a long time,
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occupied this area, messing things up andhaving these tents and all these things that
we have in this area.
So do they have a permission to be there?
What's this land?Who's owning that?
Are you allowed to do this kind of thing?And then this commentator said something about
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the European Commission.
Then I had to search for it in order to
protest or demonstrate.
And that articles nine to eleven.
And that's talking about freedom ofexpression, freedom of, how you say, joined
groups and movements and freedom of speech.
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But then also to have peaceful demonstrations.
And the word is peaceful.
And what's going on in this occupied area of
the university land is not so peaceful, Ithink.
So that's something to think about.
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And who's behind these elements?
And are they students of Gothenburg Universityor they're coming from others?
This is coming back to the day.
And I'm not a fan of Bush's former presidents,
but when he came, and when I was in America,came for a visit to Gothenburg, it was this
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rally in Gothenburg.
People taking up stones from the roads,
throwing it.
It was a mess, total mess.
And then the police had to come in, becausethese were organized around Europe, called the
zoo, called the streets, demonstrators of astreet or something like that.
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And this occupy movement.
And it was total a mess.
These are organized in different ways.
I did a so called back in the day, a pro
counter demonstra demonstration.
One person, one individual with an american
flag.
And I didn't interrupt the demonstration.
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I was standing on central of Sweden, near thePoseidon statue on the avenue in Gothenburg,
and talked to the police.
And there it was, this crowd against so called
american war, against Iraq and the dictatorSaddam Hussein.
So there was support for dictator SaddamHussein against the so called invasion.
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And what, and I say for record, it was not thebest way to do it.
They should have attacked the dictators andthe ayatollahs in Iran, because that's the
center of terrorism.
Supporting organizations like Hamas.
In their case, it's more Hezbollah, what Iknow about.
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And that we could come back for another day.
What's the so called difference and
resemblance?And they unite against a common enemy, plot
different forms of Islam, Shiites and whatnot.
So do you have the right to do this and what's
the solution?And when I search for my favorite author and
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philosopher Rand, Miss Rand, about articlesand essays about this, and I found that I will
link and read again and see what saying thetitle was the cash in colonization, the
student rebellion.
Because back in the day, in the seventies, it
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was almost you were left leaning, or you wereeven more left like a communist, or even more.
And that's all the splinter groups that'shappening.
And also her essay called man's rights aboutproperty rights.
Now take a sip of tea here.
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Cheers.
Drinking english breakfast black tea blend.
So the solution for this is what's property
rights and do the university.
And this is getting complicated because it's
like a so called public education institution,I think.
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It's not a private one.
So who's owning the land?
Is it the commune or is it the institutionsomehow how it's working but mere phase of it
to set up a tent.
Of course, if you can move it, but put it so
you can't move it and then be there for a verylong time, do you have a right to do that or
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could they be somewhere else?And the solution here, I have a card here to
have a positive thing about what you couldlearn from it.
It was a discussion between Amy peacoff on herchannel, her video channel, on what's called
Bitshoot Channel, talking with Insta Pundit,blogger Glenn Reynolds, and he is in lawyer or
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law professor, and he talked about howindifferent, when it was these demonstrations
in, in America, what was going on.
Some university did it in a good way,
proactive way, and some were doing it.
Yes, it got even worse.
What could you learn from that?Again, so about these different elements is
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something to think about, who's behind theseorganizations and demonstrates and what are
they saying?As I said, I'm not for this classification of
hate speech and what's that for freedom ofexpression, but we have to take account and
take responsibility for what we are saying.
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And these expression hate against Israel and
the support of the terrorist organizations,that's something to think about.
And again, why are they doing this?And it's this like organized and this that I
was coming to useful idiots that was used withconnection with, I think it was Leonin and
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others and different, again, splinter groupson the left and the communists and also here
in Europe, then how they could use usefulidiots for their purposes.
So that's something to dig into more.
Who is behind this demonstration and this tent
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camp and who are in the tents?And are they peaceful or are they aggressive?
And what's their goal?That's something to think about also, because
you could see all the props there with maps ofso called when palestinian territory and the
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history and Israel and go and read the source.
What are the Hamas organization?
What are they saying?What are they standing for?
And who attacked Israel in the beginning ofthe year and killed civilians and Israel
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response and how, what's the solution for thisproblem and this situation now?
It will be more like half an hour.
I was planning of 50 minutes, but yeah, it's a
topic you could talk more about in a civilizedway.
But I will do the ending here.
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I will talk to a friend that is very into this
situation when I have learned about it anddoing it in very great work, but the legal
things about this and how it should be done.
So she has a great project there.
So I will see if she has something coming upwith something that I could share in this
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comment thread, like my last remark.
But I think this person has, as I call it in
Swedish, tid posina fingerar or time on yourfingers, or you have time on your hands doing
nothing.
And you had to have the so called last word
and you're sitting there with a keyboard andwaiting for me to respond.
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And because I said thanks for supporting asecular Gotenburg, that was it.
Of course, you could think what's that to dowith the post about that it's illegal tent
camp.
But again, if you look what Hamas is standing
for, because they are supporting Hamas andcall it that, it should be not listed as a
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terrorist organization and whatnot.
So you have that and that again against
Israel.
It's the socialist, it's the National
Socialist and the militant Muslims, and theyare religious to the core and they are reading
the so called holy scripture as the devil isdoing that, and then have this hatred and
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aggression and violence and terror activism.
And I can't get it how you could support these
kind of organizations.
Israel is not perfect.
They have issues.
And you also have to understand the history.
And I bought a book fair some years ago froman organization supporting a peaceful way in
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Israel.
And it was very informative about the whole
history, all the details with solutions, whatyou could do and how we continue.
And this as a call to action.
I'm very interested as a new media advisor,
supporter of a podcast in 2.0 initiative tosupport freedom of expression in a peaceful
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way.
We could continue the conversation and the
discourse and the debate.
But again, this commentator have some kind of
agenda, but then playing this role that I haveto explain myself and probably continue to
reply and reply again and again.
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I don't know what was trigger, if he is a
secular person, but Hamas supporter orwhatnot, or if it's really supporting peaceful
demonstrations that I don't think this tentcamp is so, but we will see and we will follow
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this along here in Gothenburg, Sweden.
And if you have anything that you want to
share, any examples from your area, what'sgoing on and if you have any ideas, what's the
elements behind these demonstrations andactions against Israel and these demonstrators
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that are really supporters of terroristorganizations, for example, Hamas.
And if they are organized that have a longhistory of useful idiots.
And with that I say Cheerio and talk to yousoon again.
Bye for now.
(27:09):
Sadeena Namdeh.
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