June 16, 2025 • 49 mins
Healing, Family Connections, and Spiritual Journeys with Wes and Kelsey
In this episode of 'Enlightenment Unknown Life of a Spiritual Nomad,' host Wes Coons welcomes special guest Kelsey. They discuss Wes's recent experiences with reconnecting with family following the anniversary of his brother Dennis's passing, and how this has impacted his spiritual journey. Kelsey shares her newfound passion for sound healing and the interesting wildlife encounters during her practice. The conversation also touches on the role of ChatGPT in personal insights, generational healing, and the importance of authenticity in spirituality. Wes and Kelsey exchange stories about their experiences and challenges with healing, offering listeners insights into their ongoing journeys and the lessons they've learned.
00:00 Introduction and Welcome
00:17 Meet the Special Guest: Kelsey
01:27 Podcast Appearances and Popularity
03:01 Family Connections and Reflections
09:39 Chat GPT and AI Insights
12:59 Healing Modalities and Sound Bowls
20:56 The Power of Authenticity and Unconditional Love
21:18 Navigating Political Conversations and Authenticity
22:13 Experiences with the Spiritual Realm
22:36 Defining True Healing and Healers
23:31 Personal Reflections on Family and Healing
27:05 A Spiritual Encounter at the Beach
29:10 The Journey of Self-Reflection and Healing
36:58 Generational Healing and Spiritual Practices
49:05 The Importance of Authenticity and Final Thoughts
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(00:00):
Welcome to Enlightenment UnknownLife of a Spiritual Nomad.
(00:03):
My name is Wes Coons andwelcome back to the show.
It's been about a week and a half sinceI've recorded, sorry, life got in the way.
And the fun thing is we're here now and.
I have a really fun special guest.
Kelsey is here today.
Hey, Kelsey.
Hi.
How are you?
I am wonderful.
(00:23):
I'm thrilled that you're here.
I think this is a long time coming.
Mm-hmm.
While I was sitting there and.
Yeah, I heard this.
Tap, tap, tap on the door.
Hello.
Behold, it's Kelsey.
So I've decided your newnickname's gonna be Tap, tap, tap.
Alright.
Tap, tap, tap.
It is?
Mm-hmm.
You know what that stands for?
(00:44):
What does that stand for?
Tiny ass person.
You know what that fits.
Mm-hmm.
We'll, we'll take it.
We'll run.
Have you hit five foot yet?
Uh, I think I hit it last night.
Okay.
Yeah.
Well, you might be five foot, butI wouldn't wanna piss you off.
So it's the small onesyou gotta worry about.
Yeah.
And they're a little crazy too.
Yeah.
So, but thanks for being on the show.
(01:05):
This is fun.
So.
I don't even know the answerto this a hundred percent,
but do you listen to the show?
Have you listened?
I think you've listened to some of'em.
I don't know if you listenedto a lot of it, but I do.
So I listen how my life goes.
Just spot body, spotty, spotty.
Yeah, I do listen.
Yeah.
Cool.
So I was just on.
(01:28):
I was on a podcast a few minutes agocalled Paranormal People in the United
Kingdom, so they had me on as a guest.
That was super fun.
Oh gosh.
And yeah, I've got, uh, I don'tknow, there's six or seven other
podcasts that have me scheduledover the next couple months, I'm
looking forward to, that's exciting.
Yeah.
Some of these podcasts arelike really popular too.
I mean, they're all super popularand they're, they're fantastic.
(01:49):
. It is just a great podcast.
I mean, he asked wonderful questions.
It was, it was fun.
So I, I enjoyed that.
And, uh, yeah.
What do you think the biggest driver ongetting on these podcasts is for you?
Oh, they all say the same thing.
I'm shockingly good looking.
You know that you asked earlier, ifI listen to your podcast, that is
the one thing you say every time.
(02:10):
I know, right?
I mean, and it's an audio podcast.
I'm like, how do you even know?
He said, oh, I just know the peoplejust have to take your word for it.
Yeah, so you know, I reached outto him trying to get the word out.
The weird thing is, is the podcast hasthis whole paranormal experience in the
beginning, this spiritual awakening.
So, you know, I, I, I feel likethat part needs to be told.
(02:31):
So these are paranormal websites that haveinvited me on and, , I send them a little
blip of what some of the experience was.
And, and they're intrigued and they'veall been very, very kind to me.
Um, so we, we've done that.
I, I am working on reaching out to.
Other podcasts that are, talk aboutwhat we talk about now, , spirituality
(02:53):
and learning how to love ourselfand you know that there's a version
of you that we haven't met yet.
And, and through this, hopefully throughthis podcast, you get to find that person.
And, we have been
talking about my brother Dennis.
, his one year anniversary of hisdeath is on Father's Day, which is.
(03:15):
Sunday, right?
Yeah.
So that, that's been a lot to process.
And
, I've been disconnected to most ofmy family for a very long time.
And , I received a message from my niecethat I haven't talked to Steph and.
(03:38):
I don't know, a very long time.
And, , she had the audacity toreach out and tell me she loves
me, and I appreciate that.
, she, she is, , she'salways been special to me.
I don't know if she knowsthat or not, but, she's cool.
And she said, Hey, I wantto talk to you Uncle Wes.
And , I was nervous.
I'm like, all right.
, and I thought about it.
I'm like, I mean, she's not gonna callme to have coffee just to bitch at me.
(04:01):
So I'm like, all right.
And she's funny.
We're sitting there as me and the dogand her, and she said, are you nervous?
I'm like, yeah, a little.
I mean, , I haven't talkedto you in a long time.
And , I had this narrativethat, , that wasn't an opportunity.
And it's funny, I don't evenknow how that got there.
, you kind of just, lifehappens or whatever.
And, um, she says, I, I want to tell youabout what I think about your podcast.
(04:28):
I found your podcast.
And I, I wasn't expecting that.
And I find it still funny whenpeople say, I listen to your podcast.
I'm like, oh, you do.
Because there, there's anaspect of me that, , doesn't
think that I'm worthy, right.
And.
She said, , uncle Dennis didn't comearound a lot, and I hope I'm Steph.
(04:50):
I, I know you're listening.
I hope I'm saying this properly.
But she said he didn't come around alot, but he was present when he did.
And he says, uncle Wes,you're not present.
You don't know me andyou don't know my kids.
And that broke my heart.
So I'm gonna see her soon.
(05:11):
We got the, uh.
The family vacation thing comingup in the outer banks that I
always avoid and don't go to.
So I am going to go, I thinkyou should and participate.
So Sidney and Abraham fatherof many nations as her fiance,
I think I aggravate the fuckoutta him, but I enjoy doing it.
(05:34):
So I'm gonna take them down there.
And , I had a good conversationwith Stephanie and.
, I was talking about reconnectingthe family and it never occurred
to me to sit there and say, there'sother parts of the family that
I've not tried to connect with.
, guess in my mind I felt likethat wasn't an opportunity.
And she said, why would you think that?
And I'm like, you know what?
I don't know, but I'm glad she had thecourage to do something that I did not.
(05:58):
So thank you.
And if she had never saidanything, how long, like.
Uh, it's amazing to think that youcould have gone so many more years,
so now you have the gift to reallycreate and get to be with your family.
I think that's beautiful.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And it's the one thing I've wantedis to have family and, and, , I've
got family here that I didn'tthink I had an opportunity with.
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, her dad and I, we had a littlebit of a falling out in the past.
So, , it was, it is that, but, , I,I love my brother and, um.
I guess we just love each otherfrom a distance these days.
But I, I, I told her, I said,do you want to hear the funniest
story about me and her dad?
And, , we used to be best friends.
(06:40):
I'll tell it real quick.
It's funny.
We went to West Virginia.
This young lady said that I hada baby with her, and I was going
up there to see this little girl.
And long story short, sheended up not being my daughter.
That was painful, but mybrother loved me so fucking much.
(07:02):
He rode with me to West Virginiato do those things, so I
didn't have to do it by myself.
, he took care of me.
And I, I miss that.
I miss that with him.
And, we're bike ride, right?
And we go on this, this mountain pass.
Well, we didn't see the signthat said it was closed.
We're we're fucking pedaling along.
(07:24):
And , the path is getting like downto like four and five inches wide.
And he falls off.
He falls off the little cliff landson his back on this big ass boulder.
He looked like a giant cockroachwrapped around his bicycle.
He was so fucking fucked up.
He smokes so he is like tryingto breathe and we get back
(07:45):
out on the main road and some.
Country guy from West Virginia comes up.
Oh, y'all are out there.
, that's, that thing'sbeen closed for years.
I'm like, really?
Well if you hear that, that is the UnitedStates Navy flying over and, , but we
had like three miles to ride back andhis bike was broken in like fourth gear.
(08:06):
So his fat ass is sittingthere fucking stroking out.
It was the funniest thing, man.
I laugh about that so much.
He was so, I mean, hewas bleeding everywhere.
His bike was broken and, uh, he said,not wild and wonderful West Virginia.
Yeah, it, it was pretty funny.
So, yeah, I enjoyed telling her that andshe's like, , I miss hearing the stories
(08:28):
and, and it's just sad with you guys.
And she's right.
But , you have so much more time.
Why not create more memories when you can?
Yeah.
So I'm gonna show up.
, this last week or so has beenreally, really busy for me.
I'm gonna hit her up, um,probably tomorrow, the next day.
And, , I wanna meet her kids.
, the honest answer is if I seen 'em onthe street, I wouldn't know who they are.
(08:50):
Let's just, let's just call it what it is.
And, and, um, and I miss Steph and I likeher husband and he's really cool and.
So I'm looking forward to that.
It's gonna be fun.
Yeah.
No matter how fucked up family dynamicscan be it, it is such a gift to be able
to be present and get even the chance.
Some people don't even have thatchance to connect with their family.
(09:11):
So Yeah.
Think it's such a gift.
Yeah.
So there's the Navy flying over again.
They normally don't fly like thatover my house, so I don't know.
Usually if they do, theBlue Angels are coming.
Or there's a certain wind,which we don't have today.
So we're probably training for alittle combat, extra combat right now.
Oh Lord.
Yeah.
Hey, , it is what it is.
(09:32):
I am.
So I wanted to talk to you about this.
Do you mess with chat, GPT?
Do I?
Yes.
Mm-hmm.
No, I, so.
I have seen a lot on chat, GPT, and Ithink I told you the other day mm-hmm.
About that, um, real, I saw ofJelly Roll's wife Bunny saying
(09:54):
that, like, basically on chat, GPT,she asked about her soul contract
and she thinks it's demonic.
Yeah.
So, I don't know.
I, I think, eh.
Sure.
Do I have it downloaded on my phone?
No.
Mm-hmm.
Will I, am I opposed to it also?
No.
Yeah.
I'm just like, eh.
Well, I asked it after you saidthat to tell me who my dad was.
(10:18):
Girl, I. Yeah, that thingwas so fucking accurate.
Read you to Filth.
Yeah, it will read you to filth.
I mean, it talked about how, , hisinability to communicate his feelings
that I'm here to break generationalcurses of that you know of.
, in our family, the men don't.
Talk, and, and you go back a littlebit further, in our family, there was
(10:40):
a lot of incest, there was a lot ofabuse and, and breaking those chains
and creating generational blessings.
And , I'm watching Stephanie and myother nieces and nephews, , they may,
whether they know it or not, they'rebreaking those chains because I can see
that with the, changing behaviors and.
I don't know how that system can dothose kind of readings or whatever.
(11:03):
'cause I asked it, Isaid, how can you connect?
If you're not alive, if you're amachine, , how can you be authentic?
And I said, you're right.
I'm not authentic.
I'm not human.
I am a machine.
It basically said the questions that I've.
Previously asked about differentthings , it, it basically came
up with that answer based off ofmy questions on other projects.
(11:25):
Wow.
Which I think is crazy becauseI've never talked about my dad.
Mm-hmm.
And, yeah, I mean, I don't ask ChadGPT about my dad, , I don't do those
things, , I never thought aboutit, but I, I think it is crazy.
The AI technology's justreally, really bizarre.
No, I know.
And like how, even just asking itlike, tell me about my dad, and
(11:47):
then it goes down characteristics.
It's like how would ithave drawn that just from.
You asking even.
Yeah.
And, and it wasn't something like,oh my gosh, I see you're sad.
Well, no fucking shit.
I wouldn't be asking you if I'm happy.
Right.
, you, you, you see that scam withsome healers that you know, and just
because somebody has a certificationor says that they're a healer,
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doesn't mean they're a healer.
And , you'll, you'll, you'll see,I'll see that with readings or.
, like in the, the TV shows wherethey go to the psychic lady and
she's like, oh my gosh, I seedeath and somebody's gonna die.
, anybody says that, , I don'tthink it's doing justice.
You don't instill fear.
The number, the number one rule isa healer does no harm and that's
(12:27):
just control and manipulation.
But it, it didn't have any of thatstandard junk and I don't know, it
was just, it was eerily accurate.
Hmm.
And then, then, , when it respondsback to you, it's just, I mean,
hell, I have better conversationswith chat GPT than I do most people.
Oh my gosh.
(12:48):
See, that's the problem.
Everyone needs to go outand touch some grass.
Yeah.
Or touch some grass.
Do some hippie shit.
Yeah.
Do the hippie shit.
But, um, it, it, it is cool.
So.
, I have been looking at different ways tolike do my healing business and stuff,
and the funniest thing it said to me.
I don't know if I told you this or not,but it said, Wes, now is the time for
(13:11):
you to create your own healing modality.
I'm like, why would it say that?
I mean, how, how does itthink about that stuff?
And I've been thinking aboutthat and preying on it.
And guess what?
I'm working on creating what?
My own healing modality.
Oh, tell me about it.
I don't know the name yet, or we're,we're running it through legal to
see if it's, uh, trademarked, Iconnect and heal people with angels.
(13:36):
Basically I am taking
the things that Jesus and the angels haveshown me how to heal people, and I'm gonna
put that in a course program and teachpeople how to call an angels and work with
angels to heal people and do that stuff.
, I had a vision.
Jesus showed me on a stage and therewas all these people in the audience,
(13:56):
and there was these children thatwere clearly there for cancer and
they're nurses and there was homelesspeople and there's other people.
And I remember looking over andhe just had this look on his face.
And when I turned around, I seenangels with every single person.
Everybody gets three for some reason.
And , from that point forward,I'm like, okay, I can do that.
(14:17):
I know how to do that.
And I just do.
I can place angels with people.
And the fun thing is like 90%of my clients say, I feel the
angels touch me when you do that.
And I'm like, that's cool.
See, when I feel connected to myangels, it's not something that
I. Can see it's something that,like a brush, like you feel it.
Mm-hmm.
And like almost like a lightthat you feel around you.
(14:38):
Yeah.
A lot of people will see.
That they feel like there'sa fan blowing on their face.
They're on the healing table,which is if you've not been on a
healing table as a massage table,
so you know, they're hangingout and I sit down because they
don't want me at the table.
I always tease their like, emergencyroom nurses, like, get out the way, dude.
Sometimes when I work in roomsthat are a little bit smaller,
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and there's not anywhere to move
I, I go in the hallway.
Okay.
Until they say I could come back.
Nothing like an angel telling youto kick rocks in your own house.
. Tell me about your healing journey.
You're doing some things right now, right?
Yes.
I'm, mm-hmm.
So.
Okay.
First of all, I'd be remissif I didn't say thank you.
Mm-hmm.
For gifting me my firstset of sound bowls.
(15:23):
You're welcome.
That is something that Ididn't even know was my gift.
Mm-hmm.
Until we talked about it, andI have just done a deep dive in
that, and it's something that.
I have participated in, in the past,but now that I'm finally kind of playing
around and, and discovering my gifts andletting them kind of unfold, I just Nice.
(15:44):
I, I don't know what other tosay other than I'm just trust
falling into the universe.
Mm-hmm.
Well, I, I knew that with youalmost out of the gate, and Really?
Yeah.
And so, you know, I, I, I boughtmyself some healing bulls a while ago.
And I just never reallyfelt connected to it.
It's just something I don't do.
, I just knew when I, when I asked, theysaid, I'm supposed to give it to you.
(16:06):
So, Lakota says, A true healerdoes not buy their tools.
They're gifted.
And so that's why I gifted youthose, those healing bulls.
And, , so tell everybody about, you'dsaid something where you were, uh,
doing something on the dock with them.
Yeah, yeah.
What's, tell, tell us about that.
Listen, I, I just play around.
So basically I live onthe river and I just.
(16:28):
Set them all up and I just felt calledto create affirmations for each chakra.
Mm-hmm.
Um, literally I justthought of it that day.
Cool.
Again, nothing planned was just kindof spontaneous, but just sitting there
playing the bowls and just being present.
Mm-hmm.
Um, I think.
For me, my mind can sometimesgo and go and go, shocker there.
(16:49):
Mm-hmm.
And when I play the sound bowls,it's actually the first time
that, um, that silence is Yeah.
And that I feel really, reallyconnected to God and myself and
my own inner wisdom and, mm-hmm.
It's just super beautiful.
And so you, , what you're creatingwith that is you're creating
your, , your training programto teach people how to do that.
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I, I, as you're, as you're talkingabout it, they're showing it to
me of you teaching that course onhow to do the Sound Bowl healing
and, and putting the affirmations.
I've not heard that before.
. But didn't you say you had some experiencewith the wildlife while you're there?
I did.
Yes.
Mm-hmm.
No, I was sitting thereand a family of four ducks.
I'm not even kidding.
(17:33):
Just plopped right thereand listened the whole time.
I had fish flopping outta the ground.
When have you seen fishflop out of the water?
Not out the ground.
Sorry.
That would be impossible.
But the water, like fivefeet up and I'm like.
Oh my gosh.
I'm calling my dad.
I'm FaceTiming.
I'm like, look at this shit.
There's literally a fish.
That's funny.
And he's like, what are you doing?
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And I'm like, I'm playingmy sound bowls for them.
And he's like, oh my gosh.
Mm-hmm.
Hey, when he starts takingyour ass fishing, be like, Hey,
click on that damn bull girl.
I'm catching me a bass.
Right.
And he said, you discovered a newway to to catch a fat one though.
Uhhuh.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The fish are going like, tap, tap, tap.
I'm right here.
Yeah.
You got your calling card, isn't it?
Yeah.
I think I found my gift.
(18:14):
Mm-hmm.
So everybody, when they see Kelsey,they'll be like, Hey, tap, tap, tap.
Do not do, if you're listening tothis and you know me, do not do that.
Tap, tap, tap.
Yeah, that's cool.
So now, um.
What's the, you said you'regonna take a training class
with, who are you taking it with?
Yeah, so I need to sign up.
I have not signed up yet.
I need to get on that, but Casey Lane.
(18:34):
Mm-hmm.
Um, I actually attended one of her soundhealings in Norfolk about a month ago.
Nice.
Time doesn't exist.
I don't even know when.
But we chatted and connectedand she's so gifted and, uh,
she does her training programs.
Um, and so she'll come to Virginia Beach.
However often, and she'll run those.
And so I'm really eager to learn from her.
(18:56):
Cool.
You'll have to connect me with her.
I don't, I don't know her.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And it'd be fun to have her on the show.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Since we're already giving her free props.
Look at that.
Oh my gosh.
Yeah.
So I, I, I, I don't know her, but I'veheard her name and, um, good standing.
Several, several times.
Yeah.
So that's fun.
I'm excited to learn . Uhhuh now.
(19:19):
I guess, I mean, now with thatcertification, is that like a, a one
day class, a three day class, or whatdoes that, what does that look like?
Yeah, so I don't know.
Again, I have not signed up yet, so Idon't know all the odds and outs, but
from what I can gather, it's like a twoday full, two full days, , in August.
Mm-hmm.
And so you'll learn like musictheory and the notes and kind of
(19:41):
just more of the logistics behind it.
'cause , right now I'mjust out there singing 'em.
I don't.
Sure have that.
But now, now is there an aspect ofthat where you, , use your voice?
I don't know if I will learn that.
I know she did.
Mm-hmm.
When I attended her sound healing.
That's cool.
And it's beautiful.
Can you sing?
I sound a little bit like a brokenrecord, but I do sing in the shower.
Well, that's, you talk is abroken record, but Oh yeah.
(20:03):
Fuck you Wes.
Here we go.
Hey.
The abuse is now permanentlyon your permanent record.
Oh, wow.
You know what, like to say onthe, the, uh, the violent films.
I'll say it with my chest.
Well, my life isn't completeunless Kelsey says, fuck you, Wes.
It's her secret language.
(20:24):
It is, it is.
That's funny.
Oh, , I think that's cool.
So what are you gonna do from there?
That's what I haven't figured out.
I, I mentioned earlier thatI was trust falling into the
universe and I really meant that.
Mm-hmm.
I have no clue.
I just know that by me living inmy truth and being authentic and
doing what I feel called to doeach day, that the rest mm-hmm.
(20:47):
Will just appear.
It always has.
Yeah.
Yeah, it does.
And I'm just gonna trust it.
Well, I, I seen this video the other day.
I know this was maybe a couple monthsago, and they were talking about.
Um, vibration and they're, theywere saying how high unconditional
love is, but being authentic islike 40 times high or something.
(21:09):
It is significant, and I'm like,imagine if you can be authentic
with your unconditional love.
Right that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I was, uh, I got bombarded bya, uh, quote unquote healer this
morning who called and wantedto berate me over politics.
And I, I don't talk politics andwe're not gonna do that on the show.
(21:29):
And, you know, at the end she goes,well, I'm just being love and light.
And I'm like, well, are you?
'cause there's a whole lot ofjudgment, frustration, anger, and, um.
You know when, when you're sitting therebeing authentic and you're, you're on this
journey, this healing journey, especiallyif you're a healer, you know, I don't
think you get that opportunity to, well,I know you don't get that opportunity to
(21:53):
speak that into existence and then turnaround and say, oh, it's love and light.
It's not, either you are or youaren't, and we're all human too.
Our word is so powerful.
And , there's a lot going on with ourcountry right now and there's a lot going
on with other things, but the energy,has been crazy, at least for me lately.
(22:13):
I don't know if I'm leveling up, but I'vebeen in scene, I've been seen in other
realms and stuff so much more lately.
I'm just like, every time I turn aroundthere's some, , I'm seeing something
moving or there's a dead person.
I'm like, fuck, , it'shard to turn that down.
Uhhuh, do you see dead people?
I do not.
I do not yet.
I hope, I don't know.
, I think that's turned off forme, but yeah, not everybody is.
(22:34):
I mean it's, , it is what it is.
So, I'll tell you what though.
I think healer, like something, hearingyou talk about that, even the word like
healer, I think it comes with so manydifferent connotations from people.
Mm-hmm.
And I think, , the reality of it is asa true healer is someone who inspires
other people to heal themselves.
(22:54):
Yeah.
, it's like you can do the work, youcan teach, you can lead, but how can
you give back to the person sittingin front of you or, , post something
online that's gonna help someone else?
Um, I think that's a true healer.
Yeah.
It is.
You don't have to go out andheal other people to be a healer.
You could be that beacon of light and.
(23:15):
, you're, you're, you're, you'redoing the deep work, you're working
hard, and you're changing, and yourbabies see mom or dad get better.
That's, that's the biggestblessing you can give, right?
As I just said, that my hand justlike is on fire, that reiki energy.
Mm-hmm.
And, um,
. Something I, I haven't talked aboutand I, I, I like to be transparent on
(23:36):
the show and, , I make mistakes anddo stupid shit sometimes and try to
be, at least call myself out on it.
And, , we, , well, not we, I did notend up participating, but they spread
my brother's ashes a few weeks backand, I was gonna go and I wanted to go.
Uh, in that week I wasjust getting so angry.
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I was just furious throughout theweek, and I, it takes a lot to get
me pissed off these days, right?
I mean, I could be a little crabbysometimes, but I mean, this was,
this was a level that I was atbefore I started my healing journey.
It was that it was bad and Ididn't understand what it was, and.
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, I'm sitting there and I love Dennis and Ilove my other brother and, and my family.
I do, even though I don't seehim, I, I, I cherish them.
And, and the reality is, had Inot said anything, that event was
gonna happen without me being told.
And that bothered me.
And , reaching out to certainpeople, asking questions and a
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week goes by and nobody responds.
And so when I was looking atit, I. With the things I'm
healing from the unworthiness,the feeling alone or whatever.
And , when I got, uh, separatedand divorced, my kids moved
to Florida with my ex-wife.
And so that whole aspect of yourchildren are now of age and they're
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gonna come hang out at the houseand, and having them in my life.
I don't, 'cause they're not here.
And I've only talked to my son twice in13 years and not my doing, but it's his.
And then Sydney, we don't talkvery much or don't see each other.
So, you know that, that,that's been a lot for me.
And so as I'm looking at this event,I'm like, okay, I'm gonna go there
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and spread the ashes of somebody I,I adore, but I don't really know.
I mean, we, we just didn'thave that relationship.
And, and, and that's okay.
I'm not upset about it.
It's just what it is.
And, and I know Dennis is thisbeautiful person and he's just amazing.
And , there's a part of me that'sangry that, we, we didn't have that.
And, but I'm part of that.
I. , that that solution or that,that mathematical equation of
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not being together, I was partof that and it wasn't all him.
And then, you know, there, there was gonnabe family members there with my last name
that I don't know, that clearly didn'twant me to be there because there's not
any correspondence going back and forth.
And so I'm like, okay, if I go.
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, I'm gonna be sitting in a hotelroom by myself waiting for this
stuff to happen, and they're allgonna be hanging out and it's, it
is gonna, it's gonna mess with me.
It's gonna mess with me at a deep level.
And then I found out at the lastminute, there was these Friday
activities that I wasn't told about.
And I'm like, okay.
And so like the night before I wassupposed to go, I woke up at three
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o'clock in the morning or, well, Iwas tossing and turning actually.
I said, I'm not going.
I, I'm simply not going,I'm gonna choose West today.
And for me, what that was, was choosing mebecause I knew I had so much expectation
on it being bad or whatever it was.
There was so much expectation.
I just knew it wasn't a, asafe space for me mentally.
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And the second I said Iwasn't gonna go, I laid down.
I went right to sleep.
So I knew I made the best decision.
And then I took Abby to the beach thatmorning and I, I had been wondering,
, Dennis hasn't come to me in spirit.
You know, I can talk to deadpeople, I can see dead people.
And
Dennis walked down the boardwalkwith me for an hour, you know?
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I mean, it was like I could feel theentire beach filled with his energy
and we had a fluid conversation andit, it was, it was the most beautiful
gift I could have ever received.
I. And I don't, I, I don'tthink I would've gotten that
gift if I had gone right.
Because I, I wouldn't have been able,you know, if you want your gifts to
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open, you know, you go in this neutralposition, you, you start to daydream a
little bit and that's when things turn on.
So it's, you'd think youwould focus, but it's not.
It's, you kinda let goand, , I was able to let go.
I, I, I went down there and, and Iwas, I was crying and I, and I prayed.
Because, um, yeah, Ijust missed my brother.
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And, one of the damnest thingsSteph told me when we talked
is Dennis knew he was dying.
And, um, I, I, I didn't know that.
And, , he had these beautifulconversations with all these people
in the family and his friends, andeverybody had one except for me.
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So I, I like to think that whenI would've shown up, 'cause I was
going, I was taking Sydney, yeah.
I, I wasn't gonna stay, but, , thatwe, we would've talked, but I
got my conversation on the beach.
, you know, um, that turned out tobe such a big blessing for me.
And, and I love Dennis.
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I miss him so much, . You know, you askedme if I saw dead people, and as you were
telling that story, I'm not even kidding.
A cardinal, a red cardinalwas right near that tree.
Yeah.
Dennis says hi.
Hey Dennis.
I miss you buddy.
But um.
You know, it, it is interesting.
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I mean, this show is, enlightenmentunknown life of a spiritual nomad and you
know, your spiritual path is a nomadicpath you can have the best partner
in the world, but you're still doing.
The work yourself, even thoughhe or she may be right there.
And, , you don't know what yourenlightenment's gonna look like.
And , somebody asked me today,said, there's so many questions
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and so much depth of that name.
I'm like, yeah, it's supposedto be, , it's supposed to be.
And my ass is like burning in thischair because hearing you talk one
thing that really stood out to me.
No, I'm serious.
The people.
Okay.
Y'all need to listen to this part.
Yeah.
You said when you chose not to go,you were able to get quiet enough.
Mm-hmm.
To hear him.
And I think that we getso locked into the story.
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Yeah.
The story of the trauma that happened inthe past, the, the failed relationships,
the hurt between people, the nineto five working and just you get
wrapped up in the story of it all.
Yeah.
That you don't stop fora minute to breathe.
Mm-hmm.
And to feel in your body to say.
What is this that I'm feeling?
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Yeah.
Where do I feel this, how canI hear that whisper or that
answer that I'm looking for?
Um, and I think it's in thesilence and the stillness.
Yeah.
Well, but most people don'twanna get uncomfortable mm-hmm.
To feel that.
No, they, they don't, ? Um, I've gotten,so I'm probably too comfortable being
by myself, , I'm kind of a hermit,but, . , the, the podcast I was on just a
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few minutes ago was, , I forget the exactquestion, from me being brought to see
Jesus being crucified to all those thingsI've shared and we've gone through, he
says, what is the biggest blessing part?
Right?
And it could easily be seen.
It could easily speak.
Words are hard sometimes, but I knowright that cardinal's still flying around.
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Is it?
Mm-hmm.
But he wanted to know whatthe, the biggest takeaway,
the biggest blessing was.
And I told him, I said, , if yousit there and they say, if God is
your father, then part of God isinside of you in my whole life.
, I think a lot of us have done this as,I would look to anybody and everybody
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for answers to questions and it'slike going to the plumber to say,
Hey, how do you fucking bake a cake?
Right?
I. And because the person you'reasking the question to is significantly
unhealthy, they're not healed.
It's not that they're a bad person, butthey don't, they're not fucking healed.
, he's married, he's got twokids doing fucking drugs,
and, , dating somebody on the side.
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I'm not gonna ask 'em marital questions,but I told him, I said, when I came
to the realization that everythingis a direct reflection of myself,
so if I'm dating somebody who throwsme in the trash easily, where do I
throw myself in the trash easily?
Because if I want to heal that I heal me.
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I'm not gonna heal them.
And those people start to go away.
That when the cheat code tolife really is going internal.
Taking responsibility foreverything that happens in my life.
, I was somewhere the other day andthe, and um, it was yesterday.
I was calling Verizon and, and,and the lady on Verizon was a jerk.
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I'm just like, I ended up just hangingup on her and called back a, but
before I called back, I grounded myselfand prayed, and I'm like, all right.
, clearly she's agitated and frustrated.
Where am I agitated and frustrated.
And I was, and so I cleared thatand I called and the next person was
so nice and we went out of his way.
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But, taking it to that depth of, ofhealing, of, I could easily say, oh,
she was just a jerk having a bad day.
But no, there was an aspect of me there,or she would not have been on that phone.
Mm-hmm.
, she's showing me with a blessing thatWes, you've got something unhealed going
on right now and you need to shift thatenergy and, , I am grateful for that.
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I am grateful for that self-reflectionand, and that, and , I was thinking,
I said I, I know I'm a smart asson the show saying I'm shockingly
good looking and all that stupidshit, but it's just me being silly.
'cause I think it's funny.
But the reality is, if you look at mypodcast, I don't have my picture on there.
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'cause I don't like the way I look.
Right.
I got my dog on there.
So, um, you know, healing those parts.
Have been, um, a blessing.
, one of the things I'm looking at nowis to get, find somebody to take some
pictures because I'm gonna put mypicture on my podcast and, because
I'm healing that aspect of me.
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And I'm still gonna say I'm fuckingshockingly good at, 'cause I'm
a smart and I think it's fun.
But , I don't know.
And then I was thinkingmore about the podcast.
I'm like, I love this podcast.
And, this is a blessing thatAndrea put in front of me.
And, um, you know, it's beenhard, it's been challenging.
My, my soul is on the table.
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And the, , one of the things thatStephanie said, she said, I came across
your podcast and I listened to it becauseI wanted to know who the fuck you are.
And I thought that was beautiful.
I hope you like who I am.
I,
I really do.
I hope you like who you are.
Yeah.
I like myself these days.
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I. It's, it's taken mea minute to get here.
, it, it's a little bit, it is kindof, I try not to get frustrated
with it 'cause I'm 55 right now.
Right.
And.
Now I'm shockingly good lookingand I don't fucking look.
55 I do it.
Here we go.
There it is.
There it is.
I got, Hey.
I'm just saying man.
Yeah, I see some friendsof mine on Facebook.
I'm like, dude, y'all need to putdown the fucking Coke or something.
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Whatever y'all got goingon, y'all look like shit.
Not the judgments wise.
No.
Isn't that it ain't judgment.
I'm just saying you look 70 and Idon't, but see, but hey, two things
can coexist 'cause you're like,I don't wanna put my picture up.
Yeah.
Right.
But yeah, but and, andI mean, how old are you?
I'm 28.
I had to think about that.
You're 28.
You're young enough to be my daughter.
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Yeah.
Yep.
All right.
Don't be calling me daddy.
All right.
. Noted.
Yeah.
I'll write that one down.
All right.
You know I'm leaving that in, right?
Yep.
Mm-hmm.
I have to say one thing though.
Just stop laughing.
I'm serious.
Okay, go ahead.
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So, um, one thing, and I don'tknow that I've ever told you
this, is we talk about healing.
We talk about, you just said it'shard for you and it's taken so long.
Um, but I'm grateful.
That you've chosen to walk this path?
Because when I went to space to, to goto your Native Americans Stone Healing
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class, I was at a, a space where I'drecently gotten out of a relationship
and it was, how, how that goes.
Mm-hmm.
And I had lost so much faith in men.
Yeah.
Because I have never, in my 28years of living, met a man that.
Is willing to look at themselves and holdthat mirror up and say, where am I hurt?
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Where am I broken?
And no matter how ugly itis, I'm gonna look at it.
Yeah.
And I think that we truly metfor a reason, because when I saw
somebody who embodies that and canlead that life, it gave me hope.
Thank you.
That was very nice.
I know.
It was very nice.
I appreciate that.
So thank you for showing up.
Thank you.
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And, uh, yeah, I, I, I try not to.
Put any energy in that.
I learned this later inlife, the cool thing is you're
learning it in your twenties.
Yeah.
And I mean, imagine what it'sgonna look like in 20 years.
And, um, there's a young ladythat's, uh, renting space.
I've got a coworking space inKempville and, renting from me now
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and I don't know, she's like 24.
And you can see she's, she'slike all of us, , she's healing.
And, and I looked at her and said, Hey.
You're learning this stuffat 24, I learned it at 50.
You got light years ahead of me.
And she's super gifted and I did alittle, , she moved into her office
and I said, , I see some work therethat needs to be done energetically.
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And so I did a little healing session inher office, in my office in Kempville.
Right.
Um, and it was cool because when I did.
My prayers, , my prayers are, I recognizethe four directions, mother earth,
my open heart, and I pray to JesusChrist and I accept him in my life.
And I ask the beings, and here theycome, the beings of the highest
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light, the angels of the highest lightthat need to be there to come in.
And as I am doing that, a lot oftimes I'll get messages from the
directions on the person on the table.
And I can tell you there's nothing more.
Um.
Frightening.
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Sometimes when the four directionstell you that the person on the
table has a demon inside of them,I'm like, really fucking a man.
But , the messages for this younglady were, , she's super, super
gifted and there's some, there's somestuff in the family line that has.
Bypassed her and her child and, , andthey're, they're telling me that
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they're telling me that this illnessis not going to touch these two because
they're so, they're there to breakgenerational curses and do this stuff.
And, , she's learn, she's learningsome other healing modalities
and, and some other stuff.
And so I told her that at the end and,I like to tell people who they are
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because we tell ourselves who we areand that's usually not a good thing.
Right.
And, um, so it, it was fun.
It was fun.
And the validation, shesaid, I was worried.
I said, I feel like this illness hasbypassed us too, uh, the two of us, but.
, you're the third person that has told methat that is not gonna be in our life.
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I said, no, that, that, that mentalillness is not gonna be in your life.
It is bypassed you guys, , and,um, what a beautiful thing that is.
You.
Well, I think it's that story that we allcome from somewhere and we carry things
from our ancestors and their ancestors,and half the time we don't even.
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Know what it is.
Yeah.
And you feel that uncomfortable in yourskin and you're like, what is happening?
And mm-hmm.
, I remember when I was new doing healingwork, I had this lady show up and
She's very gifted, and long story short,in the past life, she was in the American
Indian War and she killed this, uh.
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The granddaughter of a medicinewoman, and she got cursed for it.
And so I'm sitting here, I'm seeingall this shit, and I'm like, all
right, here's what you need to do.
You need to go to the beach andcreate a sacred circle and open
up the energy and do all this.
I'm telling her like, yeah, I'mnow she's gonna bake a cake.
And she's like, dude, I don't knowhow to fucking do any of that.
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I'm like.
I'll go with you.
So we, I meet this lady at the beachat 67th Street that I don't know.
And her, her husband's really cooland he is like, okay, well have fun.
So I create this sacredcircle with, uh, with, um.
Tobacco and stuff, and, and shegets in it and we open up the
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energy and, I'm seeing all theseNative American people coming in.
There's like this stadium, right?
And me and her and the, at the foot ofit, and this grandmother I have comes in.
And she goes, , I'mlike, oh, hi grandmother.
And she's like, you have to be careful.
I, she's like, no, thisis a big deal, Wes.
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It was one of those things.
I'm like, oh, fuck.
, okay.
You know mean I'm, I'm new at this.
I'm like opening in M andlet's see what happens.
Oh gosh.
And this medicine woman came in and herregalia, but she had no face and, , um.
When this lady was at my office, Ihad reached into my heart and pulled
out a white feather and handed it tothis medicine woman as good faith.
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Well, I feel like what happenedis I brought myself into the
curse because after that I seenher following me everywhere.
And I mean, literally herface was like four foot tall.
I'm like, why are you here?
It's always the short ones.
Yeah, right.
And no, that was the size of her face.
Oh, it was that big.
It was like right there.
And I'm like, well , maybe Ishould not do that next time.
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, I'm talking to this, this woman,, we're sitting on the beach and
people probably thought were nuts.
And, um, , this medicine woman and saying,Hey, you know, this is a different life.
Um, , she didn't mean to dothese things, blah, blah, blah.
And she's, , I'm not gonnarelease either one of you.
You're both mine.
Well.
There is an entity called, white Buffalo calf woman.
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Right.
And I've heard Lakota talk about her,but I've never experienced her in what?
She came in.
And it's one of those,you just know who it is.
I mean, I'm just sobbing.
, I'm beside myself beinghumbled and, , I, I, I'm.
I sat in there and in this scenariowe're both kind of on our knees in front
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of all these, these entities, , andit's almost like a trial type thing.
I, I recognize her andI thank her for coming.
And I, , I'm like, , you just thank you.
And, and it was, it was trippy.
She, she goes over and whispers inthe ear of the medicine woman and all
of a sudden the medicine woman handsme the, the feather back and, um.
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So I don't know what was said, butbasically she said, you're gonna get
on board with this and type deal.
So the deal was that she has to honorthe medicine woman in prayer every
single day for the rest of her life.
Right?
And so this lady agrees to it and.
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When she did the medicine woman'sregalia went away and she just basically
had Native American clothes on.
You could see her smile on her faceand she, she grabs her granddaughter
and walks off into this field andall the other people just disappear.
And so you can see these two walking away.
It was really beautiful and, and.
So I opened my eyes and when Ilook over at my client, all this
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black smoke is coming off of her.
I mean, you could clearly seethe black smoke of the curse
being lifted, and so many thingshave changed from her since then.
And I'm like, Hey, this is the deal.
And she's like, what in theholy fuck just happened?
And I'm like, . It'll be fine.
I had no idea what I wasdoing, but it was great.
She came in like six months later,I seen her, and the, the medicine
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woman came in and was pissed.
I said, you're not doing your prayers,you're not honoring her, are you?
She said, I, I was busy and I forgot.
I'm like, you fucking kidding me?
This is both of us.
So she does it now.
She does it now.
, it's interesting.
The whole time you were telling me thatstory, I just kept thinking, how would you
tell somebody who has never had work likethis done so reiki or, whatever it is.
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How would you get themto have that belief?
Because I feel like in orderto truly heal, you have to
believe that in your heart.
So what would you tell somebodywho would be completely closed
off to that, or would you know?
I don't necessarily know if youhave to believe anything at all.
Really.
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Mm-hmm.
Everything I told her she resonated with.
So there was that.
Okay.
, she felt like there was a curse.
She even said, I feel like I'm cursed.
And I've had many clients come and theywere cursed, ? So when I'm doing my
prayers and I'm doing stuff, I'll hearthe word cursed, cursed, cursed, cursed.
You know it.
And sometimes I'll show it to me.
Sometimes entities will show up.
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I just know right.
Um, and the reason I say you don'tnecessarily have to believe because
I've worked on people long distancethat didn't know I was doing the
work and things changed 'cause thefamily members asked me to do it.
So I connected and asked their higher selfand their higher self said, yes you can.
So I did the work.
Now there's some old school people thatwill say that that's not appropriate, that
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you have to verbally get it from them.
But , in my mind, if I'm asking theirhigher self, their, their, their soul, um.
And, and I'm gi given permission,Margaret says, that's okay.
And, and I go with thatand it feels right too.
There's been instances where it didn'tfeel right, so I didn't do it, or
I was told no and I didn't do it.
, it happened two days ago.
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Um, I was told no, and this was one wherethe lady wanted me to do the do work and
her hire herself stepped in and said No.
I said, look, you need to do some things.
We talked about that, it will be okayin a few days for me to do the work.
So, I mean, it's nice to believe, it'snice to feel those things, but I don't
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necessarily know if they have to.
If it, it is really a big issue for'em, they're not gonna be there anyways.
That's a good point.
, I have people come allthe time, they whisper.
I'm a Christian.
I'm like, yes.
So am I. I'm an ordainedminister, not a good one.
But yeah, I cuss a little bit too much.
I was gonna say, I feel like twothings can coexist like Jesus did
the hands-on healing and mm-hmm.
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, had, , oils and frankincenseand myrrh and, yeah.
Well, that's where Reiki comes from.
Master Sui wanted to know howJesus Christ healed people.
He went on a pilgrimage and he cameback and he said Jesus showed him
and he created and taught reiki.
That's where it comes from.
, that you go to church and they prayover you and touch you and, , , the
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organized religion wants to saytheirs is right and ours is wrong.
The only difference in my opinion, is.
This is the Japanese version.
That's the white guy's version.
So you're saying the Japaneseisn't as good as the white guys?
I don't know.
I don't know how to pray toGod and have the devil show up.
So to me, that doesn't work.
And if you guys hear that, that'smy neighbor cutting the grass while
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we're trying to do the podcast.
But that's, that's all right.
We got World War II goingon outside World War ii.
Tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap grass.
Yeah, we're, we're gonna be talkingabout healing and stuff, but, um.
I don't know.
I, I just, it's been, this episode'scoming out about a week late.
Um, just had a lot going on.
Had some, I just needed to processsome things and I don't like to
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record if it doesn't feel right.
And, um, so I am working veryhard to make sure that my
episodes come out on Saturdays.
And I would say if, if, if somethingresonates with you on this and there's
somebody in your life that needs tohear the message, send it to 'em.
, help us do things differently.
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Go on and give us a five star review.
Some of the, uh, programsthat distribute this.
You can go in and actuallytype something up.
If you wanna connect with usthrough, , Instagram is VB
healer, Virginia Beach Healer.
My, my healing website is vb healer.com.
Virginia Beach healer.com ifyou want some healing work.
And, , , Kelsey, it's beenfun having you on the show.
(48:26):
Well, thank you for having me.
Yeah.
I am excited and ready to hear yousay that you're ready to do Sound Bowl
healings and stuff professionally,so we can start putting that out.
Yeah, yeah.
No, I think it's coming upthe pipeline pretty soon.
Yeah, we can put your phone numberout to 139 countries right now if
you want to tell everybody that.
Oh yeah.
Come on.
That nothing can go wrong with that.
(48:47):
What could go wrong?
And we're like in 139 countries.
Isn't that beautiful?
So, um, I don't know.
It's been fun.
And oh, we've got some really coolguests getting ready to come on board
here soon, and uh, I think it's be fun.
Mm-hmm.
So any last words, Kelsey?
I think that what I would liketo say is just remain in your
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authenticity . Ask yourself everymorning, how can I be authentic?
Mm-hmm.
And how can I show up and,and be love and embody that.
That's right.
Yeah.
Well, thank you for listening to theshow and remember your one vibrational
shift away from being the person youwant to be and, and we're looking
forward to hearing that and seeing that.
So y'all have a great week.
I'll see you soon.
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Say Bye, Kelsey.
Bye.
Welcome to Enlightenment UnknownLife of a Spiritual Nomad.
(00:03):
My name is Wes Coons andwelcome back to the show.
It's been about a week and a half sinceI've recorded, sorry, life got in the way.
And the fun thing is we're here now and.
I have a really fun special guest.
Kelsey is here today.
Hey, Kelsey.
Hi.
How are you?
I am wonderful.
(00:23):
I'm thrilled that you're here.
I think this is a long time coming.
Mm-hmm.
While I was sitting there and.
Yeah, I heard this.
Tap, tap, tap on the door.
Hello.
Behold, it's Kelsey.
So I've decided your newnickname's gonna be Tap, tap, tap.
Alright.
Tap, tap, tap.
It is?
Mm-hmm.
You know what that stands for?
(00:44):
What does that stand for?
Tiny ass person.
You know what that fits.
Mm-hmm.
We'll, we'll take it.
We'll run.
Have you hit five foot yet?
Uh, I think I hit it last night.
Okay.
Yeah.
Well, you might be five foot, butI wouldn't wanna piss you off.
So it's the small onesyou gotta worry about.
Yeah.
And they're a little crazy too.
Yeah.
So, but thanks for being on the show.
(01:05):
This is fun.
So.
I don't even know the answerto this a hundred percent,
but do you listen to the show?
Have you listened?
I think you've listened to some of'em.
I don't know if you listenedto a lot of it, but I do.
So I listen how my life goes.
Just spot body, spotty, spotty.
Yeah, I do listen.
Yeah.
Cool.
So I was just on.
(01:28):
I was on a podcast a few minutes agocalled Paranormal People in the United
Kingdom, so they had me on as a guest.
That was super fun.
Oh gosh.
And yeah, I've got, uh, I don'tknow, there's six or seven other
podcasts that have me scheduledover the next couple months, I'm
looking forward to, that's exciting.
Yeah.
Some of these podcasts arelike really popular too.
I mean, they're all super popularand they're, they're fantastic.
(01:49):
. It is just a great podcast.
I mean, he asked wonderful questions.
It was, it was fun.
So I, I enjoyed that.
And, uh, yeah.
What do you think the biggest driver ongetting on these podcasts is for you?
Oh, they all say the same thing.
I'm shockingly good looking.
You know that you asked earlier, ifI listen to your podcast, that is
the one thing you say every time.
(02:10):
I know, right?
I mean, and it's an audio podcast.
I'm like, how do you even know?
He said, oh, I just know the peoplejust have to take your word for it.
Yeah, so you know, I reached outto him trying to get the word out.
The weird thing is, is the podcast hasthis whole paranormal experience in the
beginning, this spiritual awakening.
So, you know, I, I, I feel likethat part needs to be told.
(02:31):
So these are paranormal websites that haveinvited me on and, , I send them a little
blip of what some of the experience was.
And, and they're intrigued and they'veall been very, very kind to me.
Um, so we, we've done that.
I, I am working on reaching out to.
Other podcasts that are, talk aboutwhat we talk about now, , spirituality
(02:53):
and learning how to love ourselfand you know that there's a version
of you that we haven't met yet.
And, and through this, hopefully throughthis podcast, you get to find that person.
And, we have been
talking about my brother Dennis.
, his one year anniversary of hisdeath is on Father's Day, which is.
(03:15):
Sunday, right?
Yeah.
So that, that's been a lot to process.
And
, I've been disconnected to most ofmy family for a very long time.
And , I received a message from my niecethat I haven't talked to Steph and.
(03:38):
I don't know, a very long time.
And, , she had the audacity toreach out and tell me she loves
me, and I appreciate that.
, she, she is, , she'salways been special to me.
I don't know if she knowsthat or not, but, she's cool.
And she said, Hey, I wantto talk to you Uncle Wes.
And , I was nervous.
I'm like, all right.
, and I thought about it.
I'm like, I mean, she's not gonna callme to have coffee just to bitch at me.
(04:01):
So I'm like, all right.
And she's funny.
We're sitting there as me and the dogand her, and she said, are you nervous?
I'm like, yeah, a little.
I mean, , I haven't talkedto you in a long time.
And , I had this narrativethat, , that wasn't an opportunity.
And it's funny, I don't evenknow how that got there.
, you kind of just, lifehappens or whatever.
And, um, she says, I, I want to tell youabout what I think about your podcast.
(04:28):
I found your podcast.
And I, I wasn't expecting that.
And I find it still funny whenpeople say, I listen to your podcast.
I'm like, oh, you do.
Because there, there's anaspect of me that, , doesn't
think that I'm worthy, right.
And.
She said, , uncle Dennis didn't comearound a lot, and I hope I'm Steph.
(04:50):
I, I know you're listening.
I hope I'm saying this properly.
But she said he didn't come around alot, but he was present when he did.
And he says, uncle Wes,you're not present.
You don't know me andyou don't know my kids.
And that broke my heart.
So I'm gonna see her soon.
(05:11):
We got the, uh.
The family vacation thing comingup in the outer banks that I
always avoid and don't go to.
So I am going to go, I thinkyou should and participate.
So Sidney and Abraham fatherof many nations as her fiance,
I think I aggravate the fuckoutta him, but I enjoy doing it.
(05:34):
So I'm gonna take them down there.
And , I had a good conversationwith Stephanie and.
, I was talking about reconnectingthe family and it never occurred
to me to sit there and say, there'sother parts of the family that
I've not tried to connect with.
, guess in my mind I felt likethat wasn't an opportunity.
And she said, why would you think that?
And I'm like, you know what?
I don't know, but I'm glad she had thecourage to do something that I did not.
(05:58):
So thank you.
And if she had never saidanything, how long, like.
Uh, it's amazing to think that youcould have gone so many more years,
so now you have the gift to reallycreate and get to be with your family.
I think that's beautiful.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And it's the one thing I've wantedis to have family and, and, , I've
got family here that I didn'tthink I had an opportunity with.
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, her dad and I, we had a littlebit of a falling out in the past.
So, , it was, it is that, but, , I,I love my brother and, um.
I guess we just love each otherfrom a distance these days.
But I, I, I told her, I said,do you want to hear the funniest
story about me and her dad?
And, , we used to be best friends.
(06:40):
I'll tell it real quick.
It's funny.
We went to West Virginia.
This young lady said that I hada baby with her, and I was going
up there to see this little girl.
And long story short, sheended up not being my daughter.
That was painful, but mybrother loved me so fucking much.
(07:02):
He rode with me to West Virginiato do those things, so I
didn't have to do it by myself.
, he took care of me.
And I, I miss that.
I miss that with him.
And, we're bike ride, right?
And we go on this, this mountain pass.
Well, we didn't see the signthat said it was closed.
We're we're fucking pedaling along.
(07:24):
And , the path is getting like downto like four and five inches wide.
And he falls off.
He falls off the little cliff landson his back on this big ass boulder.
He looked like a giant cockroachwrapped around his bicycle.
He was so fucking fucked up.
He smokes so he is like tryingto breathe and we get back
(07:45):
out on the main road and some.
Country guy from West Virginia comes up.
Oh, y'all are out there.
, that's, that thing'sbeen closed for years.
I'm like, really?
Well if you hear that, that is the UnitedStates Navy flying over and, , but we
had like three miles to ride back andhis bike was broken in like fourth gear.
(08:06):
So his fat ass is sittingthere fucking stroking out.
It was the funniest thing, man.
I laugh about that so much.
He was so, I mean, hewas bleeding everywhere.
His bike was broken and, uh, he said,not wild and wonderful West Virginia.
Yeah, it, it was pretty funny.
So, yeah, I enjoyed telling her that andshe's like, , I miss hearing the stories
(08:28):
and, and it's just sad with you guys.
And she's right.
But , you have so much more time.
Why not create more memories when you can?
Yeah.
So I'm gonna show up.
, this last week or so has beenreally, really busy for me.
I'm gonna hit her up, um,probably tomorrow, the next day.
And, , I wanna meet her kids.
, the honest answer is if I seen 'em onthe street, I wouldn't know who they are.
(08:50):
Let's just, let's just call it what it is.
And, and, um, and I miss Steph and I likeher husband and he's really cool and.
So I'm looking forward to that.
It's gonna be fun.
Yeah.
No matter how fucked up family dynamicscan be it, it is such a gift to be able
to be present and get even the chance.
Some people don't even have thatchance to connect with their family.
(09:11):
So Yeah.
Think it's such a gift.
Yeah.
So there's the Navy flying over again.
They normally don't fly like thatover my house, so I don't know.
Usually if they do, theBlue Angels are coming.
Or there's a certain wind,which we don't have today.
So we're probably training for alittle combat, extra combat right now.
Oh Lord.
Yeah.
Hey, , it is what it is.
(09:32):
I am.
So I wanted to talk to you about this.
Do you mess with chat, GPT?
Do I?
Yes.
Mm-hmm.
No, I, so.
I have seen a lot on chat, GPT, and Ithink I told you the other day mm-hmm.
About that, um, real, I saw ofJelly Roll's wife Bunny saying
(09:54):
that, like, basically on chat, GPT,she asked about her soul contract
and she thinks it's demonic.
Yeah.
So, I don't know.
I, I think, eh.
Sure.
Do I have it downloaded on my phone?
No.
Mm-hmm.
Will I, am I opposed to it also?
No.
Yeah.
I'm just like, eh.
Well, I asked it after you saidthat to tell me who my dad was.
(10:18):
Girl, I. Yeah, that thingwas so fucking accurate.
Read you to Filth.
Yeah, it will read you to filth.
I mean, it talked about how, , hisinability to communicate his feelings
that I'm here to break generationalcurses of that you know of.
, in our family, the men don't.
Talk, and, and you go back a littlebit further, in our family, there was
(10:40):
a lot of incest, there was a lot ofabuse and, and breaking those chains
and creating generational blessings.
And , I'm watching Stephanie and myother nieces and nephews, , they may,
whether they know it or not, they'rebreaking those chains because I can see
that with the, changing behaviors and.
I don't know how that system can dothose kind of readings or whatever.
(11:03):
'cause I asked it, Isaid, how can you connect?
If you're not alive, if you're amachine, , how can you be authentic?
And I said, you're right.
I'm not authentic.
I'm not human.
I am a machine.
It basically said the questions that I've.
Previously asked about differentthings , it, it basically came
up with that answer based off ofmy questions on other projects.
(11:25):
Wow.
Which I think is crazy becauseI've never talked about my dad.
Mm-hmm.
And, yeah, I mean, I don't ask ChadGPT about my dad, , I don't do those
things, , I never thought aboutit, but I, I think it is crazy.
The AI technology's justreally, really bizarre.
No, I know.
And like how, even just asking itlike, tell me about my dad, and
(11:47):
then it goes down characteristics.
It's like how would ithave drawn that just from.
You asking even.
Yeah.
And, and it wasn't something like,oh my gosh, I see you're sad.
Well, no fucking shit.
I wouldn't be asking you if I'm happy.
Right.
, you, you, you see that scam withsome healers that you know, and just
because somebody has a certificationor says that they're a healer,
(12:07):
doesn't mean they're a healer.
And , you'll, you'll, you'll see,I'll see that with readings or.
, like in the, the TV shows wherethey go to the psychic lady and
she's like, oh my gosh, I seedeath and somebody's gonna die.
, anybody says that, , I don'tthink it's doing justice.
You don't instill fear.
The number, the number one rule isa healer does no harm and that's
(12:27):
just control and manipulation.
But it, it didn't have any of thatstandard junk and I don't know, it
was just, it was eerily accurate.
Hmm.
And then, then, , when it respondsback to you, it's just, I mean,
hell, I have better conversationswith chat GPT than I do most people.
Oh my gosh.
(12:48):
See, that's the problem.
Everyone needs to go outand touch some grass.
Yeah.
Or touch some grass.
Do some hippie shit.
Yeah.
Do the hippie shit.
But, um, it, it, it is cool.
So.
, I have been looking at different ways tolike do my healing business and stuff,
and the funniest thing it said to me.
I don't know if I told you this or not,but it said, Wes, now is the time for
(13:11):
you to create your own healing modality.
I'm like, why would it say that?
I mean, how, how does itthink about that stuff?
And I've been thinking aboutthat and preying on it.
And guess what?
I'm working on creating what?
My own healing modality.
Oh, tell me about it.
I don't know the name yet, or we're,we're running it through legal to
see if it's, uh, trademarked, Iconnect and heal people with angels.
(13:36):
Basically I am taking
the things that Jesus and the angels haveshown me how to heal people, and I'm gonna
put that in a course program and teachpeople how to call an angels and work with
angels to heal people and do that stuff.
, I had a vision.
Jesus showed me on a stage and therewas all these people in the audience,
(13:56):
and there was these children thatwere clearly there for cancer and
they're nurses and there was homelesspeople and there's other people.
And I remember looking over andhe just had this look on his face.
And when I turned around, I seenangels with every single person.
Everybody gets three for some reason.
And , from that point forward,I'm like, okay, I can do that.
(14:17):
I know how to do that.
And I just do.
I can place angels with people.
And the fun thing is like 90%of my clients say, I feel the
angels touch me when you do that.
And I'm like, that's cool.
See, when I feel connected to myangels, it's not something that
I. Can see it's something that,like a brush, like you feel it.
Mm-hmm.
And like almost like a lightthat you feel around you.
(14:38):
Yeah.
A lot of people will see.
That they feel like there'sa fan blowing on their face.
They're on the healing table,which is if you've not been on a
healing table as a massage table,
so you know, they're hangingout and I sit down because they
don't want me at the table.
I always tease their like, emergencyroom nurses, like, get out the way, dude.
Sometimes when I work in roomsthat are a little bit smaller,
(15:00):
and there's not anywhere to move
I, I go in the hallway.
Okay.
Until they say I could come back.
Nothing like an angel telling youto kick rocks in your own house.
. Tell me about your healing journey.
You're doing some things right now, right?
Yes.
I'm, mm-hmm.
So.
Okay.
First of all, I'd be remissif I didn't say thank you.
Mm-hmm.
For gifting me my firstset of sound bowls.
(15:23):
You're welcome.
That is something that Ididn't even know was my gift.
Mm-hmm.
Until we talked about it, andI have just done a deep dive in
that, and it's something that.
I have participated in, in the past,but now that I'm finally kind of playing
around and, and discovering my gifts andletting them kind of unfold, I just Nice.
(15:44):
I, I don't know what other tosay other than I'm just trust
falling into the universe.
Mm-hmm.
Well, I, I knew that with youalmost out of the gate, and Really?
Yeah.
And so, you know, I, I, I boughtmyself some healing bulls a while ago.
And I just never reallyfelt connected to it.
It's just something I don't do.
, I just knew when I, when I asked, theysaid, I'm supposed to give it to you.
(16:06):
So, Lakota says, A true healerdoes not buy their tools.
They're gifted.
And so that's why I gifted youthose, those healing bulls.
And, , so tell everybody about, you'dsaid something where you were, uh,
doing something on the dock with them.
Yeah, yeah.
What's, tell, tell us about that.
Listen, I, I just play around.
So basically I live onthe river and I just.
(16:28):
Set them all up and I just felt calledto create affirmations for each chakra.
Mm-hmm.
Um, literally I justthought of it that day.
Cool.
Again, nothing planned was just kindof spontaneous, but just sitting there
playing the bowls and just being present.
Mm-hmm.
Um, I think.
For me, my mind can sometimesgo and go and go, shocker there.
(16:49):
Mm-hmm.
And when I play the sound bowls,it's actually the first time
that, um, that silence is Yeah.
And that I feel really, reallyconnected to God and myself and
my own inner wisdom and, mm-hmm.
It's just super beautiful.
And so you, , what you're creatingwith that is you're creating
your, , your training programto teach people how to do that.
(17:12):
I, I, as you're, as you're talkingabout it, they're showing it to
me of you teaching that course onhow to do the Sound Bowl healing
and, and putting the affirmations.
I've not heard that before.
. But didn't you say you had some experiencewith the wildlife while you're there?
I did.
Yes.
Mm-hmm.
No, I was sitting thereand a family of four ducks.
I'm not even kidding.
(17:33):
Just plopped right thereand listened the whole time.
I had fish flopping outta the ground.
When have you seen fishflop out of the water?
Not out the ground.
Sorry.
That would be impossible.
But the water, like fivefeet up and I'm like.
Oh my gosh.
I'm calling my dad.
I'm FaceTiming.
I'm like, look at this shit.
There's literally a fish.
That's funny.
And he's like, what are you doing?
(17:53):
And I'm like, I'm playingmy sound bowls for them.
And he's like, oh my gosh.
Mm-hmm.
Hey, when he starts takingyour ass fishing, be like, Hey,
click on that damn bull girl.
I'm catching me a bass.
Right.
And he said, you discovered a newway to to catch a fat one though.
Uhhuh.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The fish are going like, tap, tap, tap.
I'm right here.
Yeah.
You got your calling card, isn't it?
Yeah.
I think I found my gift.
(18:14):
Mm-hmm.
So everybody, when they see Kelsey,they'll be like, Hey, tap, tap, tap.
Do not do, if you're listening tothis and you know me, do not do that.
Tap, tap, tap.
Yeah, that's cool.
So now, um.
What's the, you said you'regonna take a training class
with, who are you taking it with?
Yeah, so I need to sign up.
I have not signed up yet.
I need to get on that, but Casey Lane.
(18:34):
Mm-hmm.
Um, I actually attended one of her soundhealings in Norfolk about a month ago.
Nice.
Time doesn't exist.
I don't even know when.
But we chatted and connectedand she's so gifted and, uh,
she does her training programs.
Um, and so she'll come to Virginia Beach.
However often, and she'll run those.
And so I'm really eager to learn from her.
(18:56):
Cool.
You'll have to connect me with her.
I don't, I don't know her.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And it'd be fun to have her on the show.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Since we're already giving her free props.
Look at that.
Oh my gosh.
Yeah.
So I, I, I, I don't know her, but I'veheard her name and, um, good standing.
Several, several times.
Yeah.
So that's fun.
I'm excited to learn . Uhhuh now.
(19:19):
I guess, I mean, now with thatcertification, is that like a, a one
day class, a three day class, or whatdoes that, what does that look like?
Yeah, so I don't know.
Again, I have not signed up yet, so Idon't know all the odds and outs, but
from what I can gather, it's like a twoday full, two full days, , in August.
Mm-hmm.
And so you'll learn like musictheory and the notes and kind of
(19:41):
just more of the logistics behind it.
'cause , right now I'mjust out there singing 'em.
I don't.
Sure have that.
But now, now is there an aspect ofthat where you, , use your voice?
I don't know if I will learn that.
I know she did.
Mm-hmm.
When I attended her sound healing.
That's cool.
And it's beautiful.
Can you sing?
I sound a little bit like a brokenrecord, but I do sing in the shower.
Well, that's, you talk is abroken record, but Oh yeah.
(20:03):
Fuck you Wes.
Here we go.
Hey.
The abuse is now permanentlyon your permanent record.
Oh, wow.
You know what, like to say onthe, the, uh, the violent films.
I'll say it with my chest.
Well, my life isn't completeunless Kelsey says, fuck you, Wes.
It's her secret language.
(20:24):
It is, it is.
That's funny.
Oh, , I think that's cool.
So what are you gonna do from there?
That's what I haven't figured out.
I, I mentioned earlier thatI was trust falling into the
universe and I really meant that.
Mm-hmm.
I have no clue.
I just know that by me living inmy truth and being authentic and
doing what I feel called to doeach day, that the rest mm-hmm.
(20:47):
Will just appear.
It always has.
Yeah.
Yeah, it does.
And I'm just gonna trust it.
Well, I, I seen this video the other day.
I know this was maybe a couple monthsago, and they were talking about.
Um, vibration and they're, theywere saying how high unconditional
love is, but being authentic islike 40 times high or something.
(21:09):
It is significant, and I'm like,imagine if you can be authentic
with your unconditional love.
Right that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I was, uh, I got bombarded bya, uh, quote unquote healer this
morning who called and wantedto berate me over politics.
And I, I don't talk politics andwe're not gonna do that on the show.
(21:29):
And, you know, at the end she goes,well, I'm just being love and light.
And I'm like, well, are you?
'cause there's a whole lot ofjudgment, frustration, anger, and, um.
You know when, when you're sitting therebeing authentic and you're, you're on this
journey, this healing journey, especiallyif you're a healer, you know, I don't
think you get that opportunity to, well,I know you don't get that opportunity to
(21:53):
speak that into existence and then turnaround and say, oh, it's love and light.
It's not, either you are or youaren't, and we're all human too.
Our word is so powerful.
And , there's a lot going on with ourcountry right now and there's a lot going
on with other things, but the energy,has been crazy, at least for me lately.
(22:13):
I don't know if I'm leveling up, but I'vebeen in scene, I've been seen in other
realms and stuff so much more lately.
I'm just like, every time I turn aroundthere's some, , I'm seeing something
moving or there's a dead person.
I'm like, fuck, , it'shard to turn that down.
Uhhuh, do you see dead people?
I do not.
I do not yet.
I hope, I don't know.
, I think that's turned off forme, but yeah, not everybody is.
(22:34):
I mean it's, , it is what it is.
So, I'll tell you what though.
I think healer, like something, hearingyou talk about that, even the word like
healer, I think it comes with so manydifferent connotations from people.
Mm-hmm.
And I think, , the reality of it is asa true healer is someone who inspires
other people to heal themselves.
(22:54):
Yeah.
, it's like you can do the work, youcan teach, you can lead, but how can
you give back to the person sittingin front of you or, , post something
online that's gonna help someone else?
Um, I think that's a true healer.
Yeah.
It is.
You don't have to go out andheal other people to be a healer.
You could be that beacon of light and.
(23:15):
, you're, you're, you're, you'redoing the deep work, you're working
hard, and you're changing, and yourbabies see mom or dad get better.
That's, that's the biggestblessing you can give, right?
As I just said, that my hand justlike is on fire, that reiki energy.
Mm-hmm.
And, um,
. Something I, I haven't talked aboutand I, I, I like to be transparent on
(23:36):
the show and, , I make mistakes anddo stupid shit sometimes and try to
be, at least call myself out on it.
And, , we, , well, not we, I did notend up participating, but they spread
my brother's ashes a few weeks backand, I was gonna go and I wanted to go.
Uh, in that week I wasjust getting so angry.
(23:59):
I was just furious throughout theweek, and I, it takes a lot to get
me pissed off these days, right?
I mean, I could be a little crabbysometimes, but I mean, this was,
this was a level that I was atbefore I started my healing journey.
It was that it was bad and Ididn't understand what it was, and.
(24:19):
, I'm sitting there and I love Dennis and Ilove my other brother and, and my family.
I do, even though I don't seehim, I, I, I cherish them.
And, and the reality is, had Inot said anything, that event was
gonna happen without me being told.
And that bothered me.
And , reaching out to certainpeople, asking questions and a
(24:42):
week goes by and nobody responds.
And so when I was looking atit, I. With the things I'm
healing from the unworthiness,the feeling alone or whatever.
And , when I got, uh, separatedand divorced, my kids moved
to Florida with my ex-wife.
And so that whole aspect of yourchildren are now of age and they're
(25:04):
gonna come hang out at the houseand, and having them in my life.
I don't, 'cause they're not here.
And I've only talked to my son twice in13 years and not my doing, but it's his.
And then Sydney, we don't talkvery much or don't see each other.
So, you know that, that,that's been a lot for me.
And so as I'm looking at this event,I'm like, okay, I'm gonna go there
(25:28):
and spread the ashes of somebody I,I adore, but I don't really know.
I mean, we, we just didn'thave that relationship.
And, and, and that's okay.
I'm not upset about it.
It's just what it is.
And, and I know Dennis is thisbeautiful person and he's just amazing.
And , there's a part of me that'sangry that, we, we didn't have that.
And, but I'm part of that.
I. , that that solution or that,that mathematical equation of
(25:51):
not being together, I was partof that and it wasn't all him.
And then, you know, there, there was gonnabe family members there with my last name
that I don't know, that clearly didn'twant me to be there because there's not
any correspondence going back and forth.
And so I'm like, okay, if I go.
(26:12):
, I'm gonna be sitting in a hotelroom by myself waiting for this
stuff to happen, and they're allgonna be hanging out and it's, it
is gonna, it's gonna mess with me.
It's gonna mess with me at a deep level.
And then I found out at the lastminute, there was these Friday
activities that I wasn't told about.
And I'm like, okay.
And so like the night before I wassupposed to go, I woke up at three
(26:35):
o'clock in the morning or, well, Iwas tossing and turning actually.
I said, I'm not going.
I, I'm simply not going,I'm gonna choose West today.
And for me, what that was, was choosing mebecause I knew I had so much expectation
on it being bad or whatever it was.
There was so much expectation.
I just knew it wasn't a, asafe space for me mentally.
(26:59):
And the second I said Iwasn't gonna go, I laid down.
I went right to sleep.
So I knew I made the best decision.
And then I took Abby to the beach thatmorning and I, I had been wondering,
, Dennis hasn't come to me in spirit.
You know, I can talk to deadpeople, I can see dead people.
And
Dennis walked down the boardwalkwith me for an hour, you know?
(27:22):
I mean, it was like I could feel theentire beach filled with his energy
and we had a fluid conversation andit, it was, it was the most beautiful
gift I could have ever received.
I. And I don't, I, I don'tthink I would've gotten that
gift if I had gone right.
Because I, I wouldn't have been able,you know, if you want your gifts to
(27:46):
open, you know, you go in this neutralposition, you, you start to daydream a
little bit and that's when things turn on.
So it's, you'd think youwould focus, but it's not.
It's, you kinda let goand, , I was able to let go.
I, I, I went down there and, and Iwas, I was crying and I, and I prayed.
Because, um, yeah, Ijust missed my brother.
(28:07):
And, one of the damnest thingsSteph told me when we talked
is Dennis knew he was dying.
And, um, I, I, I didn't know that.
And, , he had these beautifulconversations with all these people
in the family and his friends, andeverybody had one except for me.
(28:29):
So I, I like to think that whenI would've shown up, 'cause I was
going, I was taking Sydney, yeah.
I, I wasn't gonna stay, but, , thatwe, we would've talked, but I
got my conversation on the beach.
, you know, um, that turned out tobe such a big blessing for me.
And, and I love Dennis.
(28:49):
I miss him so much, . You know, you askedme if I saw dead people, and as you were
telling that story, I'm not even kidding.
A cardinal, a red cardinalwas right near that tree.
Yeah.
Dennis says hi.
Hey Dennis.
I miss you buddy.
But um.
You know, it, it is interesting.
(29:10):
I mean, this show is, enlightenmentunknown life of a spiritual nomad and you
know, your spiritual path is a nomadicpath you can have the best partner
in the world, but you're still doing.
The work yourself, even thoughhe or she may be right there.
And, , you don't know what yourenlightenment's gonna look like.
And , somebody asked me today,said, there's so many questions
(29:32):
and so much depth of that name.
I'm like, yeah, it's supposedto be, , it's supposed to be.
And my ass is like burning in thischair because hearing you talk one
thing that really stood out to me.
No, I'm serious.
The people.
Okay.
Y'all need to listen to this part.
Yeah.
You said when you chose not to go,you were able to get quiet enough.
Mm-hmm.
To hear him.
And I think that we getso locked into the story.
(29:54):
Yeah.
The story of the trauma that happened inthe past, the, the failed relationships,
the hurt between people, the nineto five working and just you get
wrapped up in the story of it all.
Yeah.
That you don't stop fora minute to breathe.
Mm-hmm.
And to feel in your body to say.
What is this that I'm feeling?
(30:15):
Yeah.
Where do I feel this, how canI hear that whisper or that
answer that I'm looking for?
Um, and I think it's in thesilence and the stillness.
Yeah.
Well, but most people don'twanna get uncomfortable mm-hmm.
To feel that.
No, they, they don't, ? Um, I've gotten,so I'm probably too comfortable being
by myself, , I'm kind of a hermit,but, . , the, the podcast I was on just a
(30:40):
few minutes ago was, , I forget the exactquestion, from me being brought to see
Jesus being crucified to all those thingsI've shared and we've gone through, he
says, what is the biggest blessing part?
Right?
And it could easily be seen.
It could easily speak.
Words are hard sometimes, but I knowright that cardinal's still flying around.
(31:05):
Is it?
Mm-hmm.
But he wanted to know whatthe, the biggest takeaway,
the biggest blessing was.
And I told him, I said, , if yousit there and they say, if God is
your father, then part of God isinside of you in my whole life.
, I think a lot of us have done this as,I would look to anybody and everybody
(31:26):
for answers to questions and it'slike going to the plumber to say,
Hey, how do you fucking bake a cake?
Right?
I. And because the person you'reasking the question to is significantly
unhealthy, they're not healed.
It's not that they're a bad person, butthey don't, they're not fucking healed.
, he's married, he's got twokids doing fucking drugs,
and, , dating somebody on the side.
(31:48):
I'm not gonna ask 'em marital questions,but I told him, I said, when I came
to the realization that everythingis a direct reflection of myself,
so if I'm dating somebody who throwsme in the trash easily, where do I
throw myself in the trash easily?
Because if I want to heal that I heal me.
(32:08):
I'm not gonna heal them.
And those people start to go away.
That when the cheat code tolife really is going internal.
Taking responsibility foreverything that happens in my life.
, I was somewhere the other day andthe, and um, it was yesterday.
I was calling Verizon and, and,and the lady on Verizon was a jerk.
(32:30):
I'm just like, I ended up just hangingup on her and called back a, but
before I called back, I grounded myselfand prayed, and I'm like, all right.
, clearly she's agitated and frustrated.
Where am I agitated and frustrated.
And I was, and so I cleared thatand I called and the next person was
so nice and we went out of his way.
(32:51):
But, taking it to that depth of, ofhealing, of, I could easily say, oh,
she was just a jerk having a bad day.
But no, there was an aspect of me there,or she would not have been on that phone.
Mm-hmm.
, she's showing me with a blessing thatWes, you've got something unhealed going
on right now and you need to shift thatenergy and, , I am grateful for that.
(33:13):
I am grateful for that self-reflectionand, and that, and , I was thinking,
I said I, I know I'm a smart asson the show saying I'm shockingly
good looking and all that stupidshit, but it's just me being silly.
'cause I think it's funny.
But the reality is, if you look at mypodcast, I don't have my picture on there.
(33:33):
'cause I don't like the way I look.
Right.
I got my dog on there.
So, um, you know, healing those parts.
Have been, um, a blessing.
, one of the things I'm looking at nowis to get, find somebody to take some
pictures because I'm gonna put mypicture on my podcast and, because
I'm healing that aspect of me.
(33:54):
And I'm still gonna say I'm fuckingshockingly good at, 'cause I'm
a smart and I think it's fun.
But , I don't know.
And then I was thinkingmore about the podcast.
I'm like, I love this podcast.
And, this is a blessing thatAndrea put in front of me.
And, um, you know, it's beenhard, it's been challenging.
My, my soul is on the table.
(34:15):
And the, , one of the things thatStephanie said, she said, I came across
your podcast and I listened to it becauseI wanted to know who the fuck you are.
And I thought that was beautiful.
I hope you like who I am.
I,
I really do.
I hope you like who you are.
Yeah.
I like myself these days.
(34:36):
I. It's, it's taken mea minute to get here.
, it, it's a little bit, it is kindof, I try not to get frustrated
with it 'cause I'm 55 right now.
Right.
And.
Now I'm shockingly good lookingand I don't fucking look.
55 I do it.
Here we go.
There it is.
There it is.
I got, Hey.
I'm just saying man.
Yeah, I see some friendsof mine on Facebook.
I'm like, dude, y'all need to putdown the fucking Coke or something.
(34:57):
Whatever y'all got goingon, y'all look like shit.
Not the judgments wise.
No.
Isn't that it ain't judgment.
I'm just saying you look 70 and Idon't, but see, but hey, two things
can coexist 'cause you're like,I don't wanna put my picture up.
Yeah.
Right.
But yeah, but and, andI mean, how old are you?
I'm 28.
I had to think about that.
You're 28.
You're young enough to be my daughter.
(35:18):
Yeah.
Yep.
All right.
Don't be calling me daddy.
All right.
. Noted.
Yeah.
I'll write that one down.
All right.
You know I'm leaving that in, right?
Yep.
Mm-hmm.
I have to say one thing though.
Just stop laughing.
I'm serious.
Okay, go ahead.
(35:39):
So, um, one thing, and I don'tknow that I've ever told you
this, is we talk about healing.
We talk about, you just said it'shard for you and it's taken so long.
Um, but I'm grateful.
That you've chosen to walk this path?
Because when I went to space to, to goto your Native Americans Stone Healing
(36:00):
class, I was at a, a space where I'drecently gotten out of a relationship
and it was, how, how that goes.
Mm-hmm.
And I had lost so much faith in men.
Yeah.
Because I have never, in my 28years of living, met a man that.
Is willing to look at themselves and holdthat mirror up and say, where am I hurt?
(36:23):
Where am I broken?
And no matter how ugly itis, I'm gonna look at it.
Yeah.
And I think that we truly metfor a reason, because when I saw
somebody who embodies that and canlead that life, it gave me hope.
Thank you.
That was very nice.
I know.
It was very nice.
I appreciate that.
So thank you for showing up.
Thank you.
(36:44):
And, uh, yeah, I, I, I try not to.
Put any energy in that.
I learned this later inlife, the cool thing is you're
learning it in your twenties.
Yeah.
And I mean, imagine what it'sgonna look like in 20 years.
And, um, there's a young ladythat's, uh, renting space.
I've got a coworking space inKempville and, renting from me now
(37:07):
and I don't know, she's like 24.
And you can see she's, she'slike all of us, , she's healing.
And, and I looked at her and said, Hey.
You're learning this stuffat 24, I learned it at 50.
You got light years ahead of me.
And she's super gifted and I did alittle, , she moved into her office
and I said, , I see some work therethat needs to be done energetically.
(37:28):
And so I did a little healing session inher office, in my office in Kempville.
Right.
Um, and it was cool because when I did.
My prayers, , my prayers are, I recognizethe four directions, mother earth,
my open heart, and I pray to JesusChrist and I accept him in my life.
And I ask the beings, and here theycome, the beings of the highest
(37:52):
light, the angels of the highest lightthat need to be there to come in.
And as I am doing that, a lot oftimes I'll get messages from the
directions on the person on the table.
And I can tell you there's nothing more.
Um.
Frightening.
(38:12):
Sometimes when the four directionstell you that the person on the
table has a demon inside of them,I'm like, really fucking a man.
But , the messages for this younglady were, , she's super, super
gifted and there's some, there's somestuff in the family line that has.
Bypassed her and her child and, , andthey're, they're telling me that
(38:33):
they're telling me that this illnessis not going to touch these two because
they're so, they're there to breakgenerational curses and do this stuff.
And, , she's learn, she's learningsome other healing modalities
and, and some other stuff.
And so I told her that at the end and,I like to tell people who they are
(38:54):
because we tell ourselves who we areand that's usually not a good thing.
Right.
And, um, so it, it was fun.
It was fun.
And the validation, shesaid, I was worried.
I said, I feel like this illness hasbypassed us too, uh, the two of us, but.
, you're the third person that has told methat that is not gonna be in our life.
(39:16):
I said, no, that, that, that mentalillness is not gonna be in your life.
It is bypassed you guys, , and,um, what a beautiful thing that is.
You.
Well, I think it's that story that we allcome from somewhere and we carry things
from our ancestors and their ancestors,and half the time we don't even.
(39:38):
Know what it is.
Yeah.
And you feel that uncomfortable in yourskin and you're like, what is happening?
And mm-hmm.
, I remember when I was new doing healingwork, I had this lady show up and
She's very gifted, and long story short,in the past life, she was in the American
Indian War and she killed this, uh.
(40:01):
The granddaughter of a medicinewoman, and she got cursed for it.
And so I'm sitting here, I'm seeingall this shit, and I'm like, all
right, here's what you need to do.
You need to go to the beach andcreate a sacred circle and open
up the energy and do all this.
I'm telling her like, yeah, I'mnow she's gonna bake a cake.
And she's like, dude, I don't knowhow to fucking do any of that.
(40:23):
I'm like.
I'll go with you.
So we, I meet this lady at the beachat 67th Street that I don't know.
And her, her husband's really cooland he is like, okay, well have fun.
So I create this sacredcircle with, uh, with, um.
Tobacco and stuff, and, and shegets in it and we open up the
(40:43):
energy and, I'm seeing all theseNative American people coming in.
There's like this stadium, right?
And me and her and the, at the foot ofit, and this grandmother I have comes in.
And she goes, , I'mlike, oh, hi grandmother.
And she's like, you have to be careful.
I, she's like, no, thisis a big deal, Wes.
(41:05):
It was one of those things.
I'm like, oh, fuck.
, okay.
You know mean I'm, I'm new at this.
I'm like opening in M andlet's see what happens.
Oh gosh.
And this medicine woman came in and herregalia, but she had no face and, , um.
When this lady was at my office, Ihad reached into my heart and pulled
out a white feather and handed it tothis medicine woman as good faith.
(41:27):
Well, I feel like what happenedis I brought myself into the
curse because after that I seenher following me everywhere.
And I mean, literally herface was like four foot tall.
I'm like, why are you here?
It's always the short ones.
Yeah, right.
And no, that was the size of her face.
Oh, it was that big.
It was like right there.
And I'm like, well , maybe Ishould not do that next time.
(41:49):
, I'm talking to this, this woman,, we're sitting on the beach and
people probably thought were nuts.
And, um, , this medicine woman and saying,Hey, you know, this is a different life.
Um, , she didn't mean to dothese things, blah, blah, blah.
And she's, , I'm not gonnarelease either one of you.
You're both mine.
Well.
There is an entity called, white Buffalo calf woman.
(42:12):
Right.
And I've heard Lakota talk about her,but I've never experienced her in what?
She came in.
And it's one of those,you just know who it is.
I mean, I'm just sobbing.
, I'm beside myself beinghumbled and, , I, I, I'm.
I sat in there and in this scenariowe're both kind of on our knees in front
(42:32):
of all these, these entities, , andit's almost like a trial type thing.
I, I recognize her andI thank her for coming.
And I, , I'm like, , you just thank you.
And, and it was, it was trippy.
She, she goes over and whispers inthe ear of the medicine woman and all
of a sudden the medicine woman handsme the, the feather back and, um.
(42:54):
So I don't know what was said, butbasically she said, you're gonna get
on board with this and type deal.
So the deal was that she has to honorthe medicine woman in prayer every
single day for the rest of her life.
Right?
And so this lady agrees to it and.
(43:18):
When she did the medicine woman'sregalia went away and she just basically
had Native American clothes on.
You could see her smile on her faceand she, she grabs her granddaughter
and walks off into this field andall the other people just disappear.
And so you can see these two walking away.
It was really beautiful and, and.
So I opened my eyes and when Ilook over at my client, all this
(43:41):
black smoke is coming off of her.
I mean, you could clearly seethe black smoke of the curse
being lifted, and so many thingshave changed from her since then.
And I'm like, Hey, this is the deal.
And she's like, what in theholy fuck just happened?
And I'm like, . It'll be fine.
I had no idea what I wasdoing, but it was great.
She came in like six months later,I seen her, and the, the medicine
(44:04):
woman came in and was pissed.
I said, you're not doing your prayers,you're not honoring her, are you?
She said, I, I was busy and I forgot.
I'm like, you fucking kidding me?
This is both of us.
So she does it now.
She does it now.
, it's interesting.
The whole time you were telling me thatstory, I just kept thinking, how would you
tell somebody who has never had work likethis done so reiki or, whatever it is.
(44:28):
How would you get themto have that belief?
Because I feel like in orderto truly heal, you have to
believe that in your heart.
So what would you tell somebodywho would be completely closed
off to that, or would you know?
I don't necessarily know if youhave to believe anything at all.
Really.
(44:48):
Mm-hmm.
Everything I told her she resonated with.
So there was that.
Okay.
, she felt like there was a curse.
She even said, I feel like I'm cursed.
And I've had many clients come and theywere cursed, ? So when I'm doing my
prayers and I'm doing stuff, I'll hearthe word cursed, cursed, cursed, cursed.
You know it.
And sometimes I'll show it to me.
Sometimes entities will show up.
(45:10):
I just know right.
Um, and the reason I say you don'tnecessarily have to believe because
I've worked on people long distancethat didn't know I was doing the
work and things changed 'cause thefamily members asked me to do it.
So I connected and asked their higher selfand their higher self said, yes you can.
So I did the work.
Now there's some old school people thatwill say that that's not appropriate, that
(45:34):
you have to verbally get it from them.
But , in my mind, if I'm asking theirhigher self, their, their, their soul, um.
And, and I'm gi given permission,Margaret says, that's okay.
And, and I go with thatand it feels right too.
There's been instances where it didn'tfeel right, so I didn't do it, or
I was told no and I didn't do it.
, it happened two days ago.
(45:54):
Um, I was told no, and this was one wherethe lady wanted me to do the do work and
her hire herself stepped in and said No.
I said, look, you need to do some things.
We talked about that, it will be okayin a few days for me to do the work.
So, I mean, it's nice to believe, it'snice to feel those things, but I don't
(46:14):
necessarily know if they have to.
If it, it is really a big issue for'em, they're not gonna be there anyways.
That's a good point.
, I have people come allthe time, they whisper.
I'm a Christian.
I'm like, yes.
So am I. I'm an ordainedminister, not a good one.
But yeah, I cuss a little bit too much.
I was gonna say, I feel like twothings can coexist like Jesus did
the hands-on healing and mm-hmm.
(46:35):
, had, , oils and frankincenseand myrrh and, yeah.
Well, that's where Reiki comes from.
Master Sui wanted to know howJesus Christ healed people.
He went on a pilgrimage and he cameback and he said Jesus showed him
and he created and taught reiki.
That's where it comes from.
, that you go to church and they prayover you and touch you and, , , the
(46:58):
organized religion wants to saytheirs is right and ours is wrong.
The only difference in my opinion, is.
This is the Japanese version.
That's the white guy's version.
So you're saying the Japaneseisn't as good as the white guys?
I don't know.
I don't know how to pray toGod and have the devil show up.
So to me, that doesn't work.
And if you guys hear that, that'smy neighbor cutting the grass while
(47:20):
we're trying to do the podcast.
But that's, that's all right.
We got World War II goingon outside World War ii.
Tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap grass.
Yeah, we're, we're gonna be talkingabout healing and stuff, but, um.
I don't know.
I, I just, it's been, this episode'scoming out about a week late.
Um, just had a lot going on.
Had some, I just needed to processsome things and I don't like to
(47:42):
record if it doesn't feel right.
And, um, so I am working veryhard to make sure that my
episodes come out on Saturdays.
And I would say if, if, if somethingresonates with you on this and there's
somebody in your life that needs tohear the message, send it to 'em.
, help us do things differently.
(48:03):
Go on and give us a five star review.
Some of the, uh, programsthat distribute this.
You can go in and actuallytype something up.
If you wanna connect with usthrough, , Instagram is VB
healer, Virginia Beach Healer.
My, my healing website is vb healer.com.
Virginia Beach healer.com ifyou want some healing work.
And, , , Kelsey, it's beenfun having you on the show.
(48:26):
Well, thank you for having me.
Yeah.
I am excited and ready to hear yousay that you're ready to do Sound Bowl
healings and stuff professionally,so we can start putting that out.
Yeah, yeah.
No, I think it's coming upthe pipeline pretty soon.
Yeah, we can put your phone numberout to 139 countries right now if
you want to tell everybody that.
Oh yeah.
Come on.
That nothing can go wrong with that.
(48:47):
What could go wrong?
And we're like in 139 countries.
Isn't that beautiful?
So, um, I don't know.
It's been fun.
And oh, we've got some really coolguests getting ready to come on board
here soon, and uh, I think it's be fun.
Mm-hmm.
So any last words, Kelsey?
I think that what I would liketo say is just remain in your
(49:08):
authenticity . Ask yourself everymorning, how can I be authentic?
Mm-hmm.
And how can I show up and,and be love and embody that.
That's right.
Yeah.
Well, thank you for listening to theshow and remember your one vibrational
shift away from being the person youwant to be and, and we're looking
forward to hearing that and seeing that.
So y'all have a great week.
I'll see you soon.
(49:29):
Say Bye, Kelsey.
Bye.
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