March 4, 2025 • 31 mins
Glow Up Guaranteed: The Chemist-Approved Skincare Routine with Ron Robinson
Clean Beauty Series
Episode Description:
“Every brand now needs to be an educator as well as a seller.” —Ron Robinson
The beauty industry is undergoing a transformative shift, with consumers demanding more than just surface-level solutions. From the rise of the "skinification" trend to the ongoing debate around clean beauty, the landscape is evolving rapidly. Brands must now navigate the delicate balance between safety, efficacy, and sustainability to captivate their audience.
Ron Robinson is a veteran cosmetic chemist with an impressive track record, having developed products for renowned brands like Clinique, Lauder, and L'Oreal. His expertise and passion for unlocking the potential of gold-standard ingredients have led him to found his own brand, Beauty Stat.
Tune in as Justine and Ron explore the rise of skinification in beauty products, misconceptions around natural vs synthetic ingredients, the need for brands to incorporate consumer education, Ron’s expert recommendations and tips for essential skincare products, upcoming trends in the beauty industry, the importance of sustainability, the challenges around recycling and waste management in the beauty industry, and more.
Meet Ron:
Veteran cosmetic chemist Ron Robinson founded BeautyStat blog in 2009, demystifying skincare ingredients with a factual, chemist-based approach. After years of research, he developed a technology to formulate pure Vitamin C (L-ascorbic acid) at its optimal 20% concentration, protected from oxidation.
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Episode Highlights:
01:17 The Skinification of Beauty Products
05:00 Clean Beauty and Consumer Concerns
13:19 Consumer Education and Product Transparency
17:21 Skincare Tips
26:52 Beauty and the Planet
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Episode Transcript
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Justine Reichman: (00:13):
Good morning, and welcome to Essential
Ingredients. I want to introduceto you today, Ron. He is a
Beauty Chemist, and I'm soexcited to have them on the
podcast as part of the BeautySeries. To hear more about what
they say is, clean beauty andwhat we can see for the future,
and what role natural and foodwill play in this, so stay
tuned. So thanks for joining metoday, Ron. I'm really excited
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to learn more about your brandand what you're doing. So for
those that are not familiar withyour brand, could you just give
us the high level, and thenwe'll dig deeper into it.
Ron Robinson: (00:46):
Absolutely. So I am a veteran cosmetic chemist.
Justine Reichman: (00:46):
So yeah, that the vitamin C. When you put in
I've developed products for manybig brands, including Clinique,
Estée Lauder, La Mer, Revlon,L'Oreal, and launched my own
your hand, and all of a sudden,it's turning color, like it's
brand called BeautyStat fiveyears ago with the mission of
unlocking the potential of goldstandard ingredients. We are
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prestige cosmetic chemistfounded, clinically tested
science backed brand. We areknown for our Vitamin C Serum
That's our best seller. And ourinnovation around that
ingredient is stabilizing thiswell known ingredient that is
known to be unstable, whichmeans it tends to oxidize and
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turn brown, and no longerdeliver results for consumers.
making your face a little bitmore orange. Have you ever had
that experience?
Ron Robinson: (01:41):
Yeah. That's from using a vitamin C serum that's
oxidized. Meaning, it's startedto shift. Just think about an
Apple as it starts to turnbrown, that's oxidation. And
when that happens, that meansit's no longer desirable. It's
no longer going to deliver anynutritional benefits or health
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benefits. And the same thingwith vitamin C. When you apply
it to skin, you want the vitaminC serum that stays stable and
delivers results for your skin,specifically around brightening
the skin and evening out skintone.
Justine Reichman: (02:14):
We could all use that, at least I could.
Ron Robinson: (02:17):
And this is the product right here. This is our
best selling Vitamin C Serum.It's our BeautyStat Universal C
Skin Refiner, and it contains20% vitamin C, which is working
to help fade hyperpigmentation,even the skin tone, and brighten
the skin.
Justine Reichman: (02:32):
I've been searching for the right one for
so long. I can tell you that Ihave hyperpigmentation here, a
little here. I mean, not that Ireally want to point it on a
video.
Ron Robinson: (02:41):
Your skin looks great, don't worry.
Justine Reichman: (02:44):
But that being said, I've tried so many
things, and I think it's finallygetting better over time. But
it's been years that, I wearvery little stuff to cover up.
But anyway, that goes back tothe ingredients of the products
that we're using, and so Ireally have focused what I have
on skin care products versusmakeup, and I think there's been
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a real shift in that too. Formany parties, they're now making
more skin care versus the makeupthat you just apply it, but it's
not doing anything for the skinin the same way.
Ron Robinson: (03:17):
Justine, it's such a big trend right now. We
call it the skinification ofbeauty products, which means
bringing skincare benefits toproducts that don't typically
work to help treat the skin. Soyes, you're right. Foundation,
lipstick, lip gloss, blush, allof these products are now
bringing in skincare benefits tohelp treat the skin, as well as
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give skin that instant color,which we expect from makeup
products.
Justine Reichman: (03:43):
Exactly. You expect to be a little brighter,
a little sunnier, a little bitnot so. I mean, for me, I can
tell the difference, and I justfeel like a lot of it is giving
moisture to the skin. Correct meif I'm wrong, it's feeding the
skin with the nutrients it'sbringing it to make it look its
best version of itself.
Ron Robinson: (04:04):
Correct. With these skin care benefits, it's
working to help hydrate theskin, repair skin's barrier. And
when you have healthy skin,healthy skin means more glowing,
more radiant skin.
Justine Reichman: (04:16):
Yeah, I couldn't agree more. So I'm
curious. There's been a lot oftalk around clean beauty, and a
lot of talk about what we put onour face. Shouldn't we care as
much as the things that we eat?And then there's been some
controversy about that. Itdoesn't really get into the
bloodstream, and maybe we shouldlook at biotech. So I'd love to
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explore this conversation withyou and get your thoughts on it,
where you see the future ofbeauty? And what role if any
food is playing in that? Or doyou think that was a moment in
time, and now we're fast forwardto biotech? So let's start where
you guys are at this moment,what we can see on the horizon
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for you? And how that connectswith that?
Ron Robinson: (05:03):
A couple things to talk about. So you mentioned
clean and clean beauty. Sothere's no definition for clean.
There's no established standardfor what clean is. So some
retailers have their owndefinition. And what that means
is they decide there areingredients that might be known
to be harmful to the skin, orunsafe for the skin, or irritate
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the skin, and they've isolatedthose ingredients and said,
okay, if your product containsthose ingredients, you are not
deemed clean for us. And you donot get that clean--
Justine Reichman: (05:39):
Stamp of approval.
Ron Robinson: (05:40):
Correct. You don't get that clean stamp of
approval. But every retailer isdifferent. So our approach,
BeautyStats approach is to onlyuse ingredients that are both
safe for the skin and effective.So we do comply with the various
retailer clean standards. Andwhen I say retailers, I'm
talking about the beautyretailers like Sephora, or Ulta
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Beauty, or Target. These aresome retailers that have their
own definitions of clean, so weabide and comply with all of
those various standards. But forthe consumer, again, the most
important thing is to deliverproducts that are both safe and
effective, and not try tonecessarily demonize
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ingredients. You mentioned aboutingredients that might be
harmful, might get into thebloodstream. Some of those
ingredients which are deemed notto be clean, there has been some
data showing that there is somepenetration, but the data does
not necessarily prove out thatthey are specifically dangerous
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in the long term. Our bodies aremeant to withstand things that
we encounter in nature and ineveryday life. Some things do
get into the skin, and then somethings our body is able to
handle and defend itself. Andit's all about context and the
amount, trace amounts can betotally safe. It's over
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exposure, which is does notreally happen. So for most
consumers, we're all dealing orworking with relatively safe
products, and there's no bigconcern from any specific
products being dangerous in mostcases. So I think we're playing
in a very good for you healthycategory. And again, our brain
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beauty set is about promotingsafe and effective products.
Justine Reichman: (07:36):
When you guys were developing your vitamin C,
or for that fact, developinganything, what role did food
play in it? Because we've hearda lot of conversation around
this. And when I say food, itcould be herbs, it could be
anything. I don't know that itnecessarily correlates to
vitamin C per se, but the ideais all these organic ingredients
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around us, what role do theyplay, whether it's in this or in
the future, for you, inproduction of new products?
Ron Robinson: (08:04):
The whole food, or food derived, natural derived
products, all in the category ofnatural and capitalizing on the
fact that consumers recognizecertain types of foods as being
healthy and good for them. Andthe thought is that if you could
ingest them and they're healthyto ingest, applying them
topically might deliver somebenefits. It's not always the
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case. Sometimes, it does workout. For example, we use green
tea, the most effective or mostpotent part of green tea, which
is known as a very healthybeverage in the food space, and
we leverage that because there'sproven results that the active
part of green tea can be veryeffective for soothing the skin,
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providing anti inflammatorybenefits. So that's one type of
food, type of ingredient that weleverage. But again, it's not
for the marketing purposes.Meaning, we're not talking to it
because we're trying to getconsumers to feel that we are.
Healthy food means healthyingredients for the skin. It's
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proven. It's proven to deliverresults for the skin, and that's
why we use ingredients like that.
Justine Reichman: (09:16):
I really appreciate that. Because so
often, people are talking aboutclean beauty, and we go to
stores like Frida wherethey'resupposed to have all these clean
products. But one thing for meis, it's great if it's clean,
but does it work? Is iteffective? And so I'm curious
about that connection there,what we're seeing, and what you
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see for the future?
Ron Robinson: (09:38):
Yeah. As I mentioned before, the consumer
is really concerned with safeproducts, and using safe and
effective products. That's a keything. So I think this whole
movement around clean, it's notgoing to have a lot of legs
because many brands and productsalready conform to what's
considered to be clean by thesespecific retailers. Or even some
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of these apps that try to helpconsumers understand what's
clean and what's not. So that'sa key thing, products that are
safe and effective.
Justine Reichman: (10:12):
I couldn't agree more. And I think that
there's a lot ofmiscommunication or changing the
narrative around it. People weretrying to push the clean beauty,
but people aren't asking, is itclean and effective? They're not
going on that. And to me, Ithink we're missing out by not
asking that. Because I thinkthere's a lot of technology,
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whether biotech, et cetera, thatreally is going to play a role
in this. And I think that peopleare scared of things that they
don't know, and then thequestions that are being
answered really need to be a bitmore extensive and curious about
what we really want. And at theend of the day, when I put
things on my face, I wantresults.
Ron Robinson: (10:54):
Exactly. Consumers more cost conscious.
They're watching their pocket,their wallets and everything
they spend. It's got to make adifference. Otherwise, it
becomes a waste. And no one hastime for waste, so totally
agree. The consumer wantsresults. They want safety as
well, but they want results. Ido want to touch on your
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question about biotech and howthat comes into play. Biotech is
a great space. It's a growingspace. And what that means is
that we could find or leveragethings, ingredients that occur
naturally. And rather thandeplete the resources from our
Earth, harvest and use up thosetypes of natural materials, we
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use biotech to recreate them inthe lab at scale. So basically,
we're taking the best of natureand scaling it in a laboratory
setting so that it is completelysustainable. Yet, it has its
roots in nature, and could besomething that could really
obviously deliver results forthe skin, but also could be
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recognizable by consumers.
Justine Reichman: (12:06):
I think that a lot of this is going to rely
on education, to educate theconsumer about this so they can
better understand and make moreinformed choices. What do you
think the most misconceived ideathat they have, that the
community has, or buyers havearound natural products is?
Ron Robinson: (12:24):
I think there's some folks that feel that
natural is better and thatsynthetic is bad, and that's a
really big piece ofmisinformation. On my social
media channels, I try toeducate, myth bust and explain,
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first of all, everything is achemical. Air is a chemical,
water is a chemical, and so weneed chemicals. We can't exist
without them. And some chemicalsare naturally derived, and some
are synthetic. There are somenatural products and ingredients
which are toxic, and too much ofthem could hurt us. And the same
thing with synthetic. So really,the best products use both,
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natural and synthetic. Theyblend and compose them in a way
to deliver great esthetics. Andagain, as we talked about
products that work, deliverresults and perform.
Justine Reichman: (13:19):
When folks go into a store, whether it's
Sephora or wherever to go buyproducts, what are some of the
things that they should bemindful of to stay away from?
Ron Robinson: (13:30):
If you're shopping in those stores, the
vetting has already happened.You're getting products that
have been tested, deemed safe.In most cases, clean, whatever
that word means. And I thinkwhere the consumer can really
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dig deeper and peel back theonion a little bit more is
whether or not that product istransparent about ingredients
they use? What percentages,sometimes that matters. But also
any clinical testing or thirdparty testing to show that that
product delivers results. Sothat's where the consumer needs
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to come in and do some research.
Justine Reichman: (14:12):
So if we're looking at these larger products
that we see in Sephora, some ofthem are, like you said, you
could have Clinique, you couldhave George Armani, you could
have products like Dr Brandt,and we're looking at them. How
do you compare the research andtrials that have been done by a
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doctor versus a regular brandthat maybe that is not supported
by a doctor or not derived by adoctor?
Ron Robinson: (14:39):
Yes, so it's a great question. Many consumers
are looking for expertperspectives, and some brands
are founded and are branded asan expert brand. We talked about
some other brands like Dr.Dennis Gross, where it's a
dermatologist founded brand. I'ma cosmetic chemist. I'm another
type of expert. My expertise isin formulating and developing
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products for the skin, and theyhave other brand founders and
other brands that do not haveany type of expert founder. And
I think we can all play with theunderstanding that consumers
want the results and validation.So any brand, whether Doctor LED
or not can do testing, thirdparty testing, to show that
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their product delivers and canmeet the needs of consumers.
Justine Reichman: (15:30):
Yeah. It's really interesting topic.
Because many times, people talkabout the brands that you see on
the shelves and the access, andthen you go to the doctors and
they're like, well, we don'thave those on the shelves yet.
You have to buy those here. Andso as the consumer, what do we
do? To me, the doctor's theexpert as I'm standing there in
the office. That's only becauseI don't know better,
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potentially.
Ron Robinson: (15:54):
You're there in the office and you've had a
treatment, and you're morelikely to listen to the expert
after you get out. Get out ofthe chair and you had just your
treatment. Hey, what do I do tomaintainor achieve this? Yes,
you have that, that captiveaudience. If you're shopping
around in a retailerenvironment, you don't have that
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assistance as you would. So theonus is on the customer to go in
and have done some research, ordoing research while shopping to
find the right product for theirskin.
Justine Reichman: (16:31):
So as a chemist, I'm sure there's things
that you might tell people tostay away from that they see.
Can you maybe share a few ofthose things that people may be
misunderstood and thought weregood, but maybe really should
take a second look at and look alittle further?
Ron Robinson: (16:47):
Yeah. When I think about recommending types
of products consumers should bebringing into their routine,
introducing into the routine isstick with the basics. Thinking
about a good, gentle cleanser, amoisturizer and a sunscreen.
Those are three things that mostconsumers need to maintain
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healthy skin. So that's myadvice. You don't need to go
chasing the latest anti wrinkleor spot treatment unless that's
a specific concern that youhave, right? So after you've
done those first three things,cleanse, moisturize, protect
your skin with sunscreen, andyou have other concerns that are
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more specialized, more advanced,then you could seek out, hey, do
I need a product to help smoothmy skin texture. Do I need a
product that's going to even outmy skin tone? Do I need a
product that's going to lift andfirm, or reduce my fine lines
and wrinkles? And then you cango into those specials. But
basics first, avoid the othertypes of specialist items unless
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that's a specific concern youare looking to address.
Justine Reichman: (17:56):
When we're going in there and we're doing
our research, whether beforehandor at the shop, and we're
looking for those threeproducts, I'm wondering, as a
chemist, and we think aboutingredients and we want products
to be transparent, are therethings that we should be aware
of that maybe we shouldn't get?When I go to buy my oat milk, I
try to find one that doesn'thave any gum in it. Water and a
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pinch of Himalayan pink. People,I want clean ingredients. So as
that relates to the productsthat we're talking about here,
what could you tell us to lookfor to avoid, and also to make
sure it does include becauseit's really helpful, for sure.
Ron Robinson: (18:34):
Go one by one. Cleansing, you want to look for
sulfate free cleanser. Whatcleansers do is they work to
help dissolve dirt, oil, makeup,debris. And in order to remove
all of that stuff, you need tohave or include what's called a
surfactant, which is a cleansingingredient. Some cleansing
ingredients could be tooaggressive and strip the skin.
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So sulfates are one thing tolook out for. You don't need
that in your facial cleanser.Look for a gentle cleanser that
has more coconut based cleansingingredients that will gently
cleanse your skin effectively.
Justine Reichman: (19:07):
Before we go on to the next one, I have a
question, though. If a cleanserand it says clean, can we expect
that it doesn't have a sulfatein it, or does that not play a
role, do we still need to digdeeper?
Ron Robinson: (19:19):
Sulfates are a suspect ingredient, and most
clean standards do not includesulfates. So that would be a NO.
So that would be a case wherethe clean guidelines for most of
these retailers might be a goodfit. Meaning that it's likely
going to be a more of a gentlecleanser because it doesn't
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contain that type of ingredient.So that's one great example.
Moving into moisturizer, that'syour second step. Moisturization
is key because it's going tohelp repair your barrier, soften
your skin, and just rebuild andmaintain healthy skin. You want
to look for ingredients likeglycerin. And look for other
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hydrating ingredients likehyaluronic acid or ceramides.
These are the key things you canlook for in a really good facial
moisturizer.
Justine Reichman: (20:10):
Is there anything that we should be aware
of that might pop out that's notgood, that we should pass over
and move on to the next?
Ron Robinson: (20:19):
Moisturizer, you want to make sure that it's not
too light. In other words, itwon't do the job of actually
hydrating your skin or not tooheavy and greasy. So the texture
matters, and it's very personal.Those are the key things to look
at for.
Justine Reichman: (20:34):
Rich one that's looks dewy.
Ron Robinson: (20:37):
So yeah. And some people like more of a gel, cream
and lighter, so it's reallypreference based. So you got to
shop around, sample and try.
Justine Reichman: (20:46):
But at least we have tips on what direction
to go to. So the third one thatyou were talking about, we had
the cleanser, we had themoisturizer. And third, we had
Ron Robinson: (20:55):
Sunscreen. Yeah, so things to look out there.
the sunscreen.
Look for the sunscreen a minimumof SPF 30 broad spectrum
protection experts agree an SPF30 at the minimum is going to
protect your skin from most ofthe UV damage that's possible
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through exposure to UV sunlight, etcetera. So look for a
minimum of 30, and there are twotypes of sunscreens. They're
chemical sunscreens, which aremore of the these are
synthetics, and they work tomostly absorb UV light and
prevent it from going andpenetrating the skin, and
causing damage. And then thereare mineral sunscreens. These
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are natural based sunscreens.Zinc oxide is very common, as
well as titanium dioxide.They're known for, if you ever
see lifeguards with the thewhite on over their nose, those
are classic zinc oxide ortitanium dioxide products. So
you don't want to necessarilywalk around with a white cast on
your face. So sunscreen, mineralsunscreens, have evolved.
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They've improved. So they'remore sheer, and you can get a
great SPF 30 minimal sunscreenthat is sheer and looks great on
the skin. So two options,chemical sunscreens and mineral
sunscreens. You want a minimumof SPF 30.
Justine Reichman: (22:14):
Okay. I gotta ask. So as you say chemical,
chemical sounds scary. Theaverage person hears that word,
they're like, oh, we don't wantchemicals. So talk to me about
that. Should we be scared ofthat? Is it a bad thing?
Ron Robinson: (22:27):
It's not a bad thing. And as we talked about
everything as a chemical, andit's more of how we classify
chemical, I think the reason whythe term chemical sunscreen was
coined was to differentiate itfrom the mineral or natural
sunscreens like titanium dioxideand zinc oxide. So it's not one
is bad, the other is good. It'sjust a way to classify them so
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consumers can understand thatevery ingredient is a chemical,
and each of these buckets do agreat job for protecting the
skin from UV damage.
Justine Reichman: (23:01):
It sound to me that the beauty industry is
doing a really good job ofbringing us products that are
safe and effective. And I thinkit's really now on the onus for
both the brands and theconsumers, because we need to
either ask for education or beeducated so that we can make
more informed choices.
Ron Robinson: (23:18):
Absolutely. And I think the brands that are
winning today are beingtransparent. They're educating
consumers, and they're creatingproducts that are really
delivering results, which is thekey thing as we agreed. At the
end of the day, I want to buy aproduct that's going to show
results, deliver results for me.
Justine Reichman: (23:39):
And so as we look at the future, because
we're always hoping that thingsare going to improve. What do
you see for the beauty industry?What do you see spearheading
that, whether it's naturalproducts, or is it the biotech
or something completelydifferent?
Ron Robinson: (23:54):
I see a few big trends in the industry coming
up. First of all, this ideaabout ingredient information,
providing more information toconsumers will continue. I think
every brand now needs to be aneducator, as well as a seller.
So I think that trend willcontinue. We talked about the
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connection with health. I thinkconsumers, more than ever, are
understanding the idea aboutinflammation. And we have people
in the new administration thatare really going after what's
potentially inflammatory typesof processed foods and seed
oils, and consumers arerecognizing that they should be
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considerate of being or usinganti inflammatory skincare as
well, knowing that they don'twant the bloating, the puffiness
and irritation that can happenwith not treating your skin by
providing anti inflammatorybenefits. We're in an era of
ozempic where consumers might belosing rapid weight loss and
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seeing changes in their facialskin, which might require skin
care to help lift firm and tone.So I think those are some of the
things that we'll be looking outfor. We can't forget Gen Alpha
with a new crop of consumersthat are in that 10 to 16 years
old range which are getting intoskincare, and might be using
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products that are too grown upfor them and not right for their
skin. So that's another movementwe have to watch and look for
products that are going to bemore catered for that gentle pre
adolescent skin. So those aresome of the big macro trends we
see going forward. I think manybrands will be, again, either
having products or launchingproducts to address those needs.
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Ar again, doubling down on theeducation of why ingredients and
products that they sell, whythey're important? Why they're
relevant? ANd how they couldbenefit consumers?
Justine Reichman: (26:00):
I think that that's so true. And I think that
young generation, really, it'sabout educating them too.
Because they're so young andthey're so impressionable, and
they always want to do whatmommy's doing. That may not be
appropriate for them, so I thinkit's really about giving them
their own place in the space towork with. The last piece that I
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want to touch on is the planet.In terms of the products that
we're creating and you'recreating, clearly, I'm not
creating anything in terms of aproduct. But as you create a
product, you're thinking aboutwhat's going into it, and you're
thinking about the packaging andthen disposal of this. What role
does sustainability play in itfor you? Because that's going to
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impact the health, the wellnessand the future of the planet.
Ron Robinson: (26:47):
It's a big question, a big concern. Many
brands, big and small, arefocusing on this. And the thing
is, our suppliers, those people,those companies that we go to
get our packaging andcomponentry, they are coming
forward as well. I think thebigger question is, how does our
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city, state, region, countryhelp to recycle and make sure
that if we use highlysustainable packaging that it
actually gets treated as such,and just doesn't get dumped with
everything else? So that's thekey. That's a bigger question,
the beauty industry is lookingat this as it's more than just
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us. We're doing our part. We'rereally trying to use more
sustainable and recyclablematerials in our products and
packaging. But we need helpfrom, again, every municipality,
city, state, etcetera, county.
Justine Reichman: (27:48):
And to that point, I know where we live,
where we recycle, they have verystrict guidelines. So even if
something comes in a recyclething, they only accept a small
percentage of it to be recycled,so I think there really does
need to be some conversationbetween these municipalities and
the suppliers so that we cancome up with something that's
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uniform. Because otherwise,there's a lot of, dare I say
greenwashing going around this,because it's not really
something that we can evenrecycle or upcycle.It doesn't
meet those guidelines for thespecific area.
Ron Robinson: (28:23):
I totally agree. So it's a big job. We have to
keep fighting the good fight.And again, doing as best as we
can with the materials that wehave, and pushing everyone to
help us be more sustainable.
Justine Reichman: (28:41):
Awesome. Ron, thank you so much for joining me
today. I really appreciate it.
Ron Robinson: (28:45):
Thank you so much for having me. Really appreciate
it.
Justine Reichman: (28:48):
My pleasure. We look forward to continuing to
see what you guys are doing, andhow things evolve, and what role
if any food plays in this, andhow natural evolves. Because I'm
curious to see since natural isout there, and everybody's
saying that everything'snatural. But then, we're not
showing the efficacy of it, orthe impact of it. What is this
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going to end up looking like?And are we going to end up being
a lot more comfortable withthings right now that seem
scary, but really could be awhole lot more useful?
Ron Robinson: (29:23):
I think we're going to end up in a place where
consumers become more informed.They are more educated.
Understanding. Just because it'snatural doesn't mean it's
necessarily good for them.They'll understand nuance.
They'll understand that leveland concentration matters, and
it's a balance. And again, it'sup to them. Do your research,
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test, trial sample, and find thebest products for them within
those guidelines of, again,cleanse, moisturize, and protect
your skin.
Justine Reichman: (29:54):
Awesome. Ron, thanks so much for joining me
today. Really appreciate it.
Ron Robinson: (29:57):
Likewise. Thank you so much for having me.
Appreciate it.
Justine Reichman: (29:59):
And for folks that want to learn more about
what you do or learn more aboutyour product, what's the best
way to connect or learn more?
Ron Robinson: (30:06):
Follow my brand at BeautyStat on all social, and
you can follow me where you canhear all of my educational
content and videos at RonRobinson Cosmetic Chemist.
Justine Reichman: (30:19):
Awesome. Thanks again. I want to thank
our guests for tuning in today.They've become friends and
family, and I'm so excited toalways to bring guests like
yourself that can really impacthow we make decisions, so thank
you. Thanks all for tuning intoday. You guys have become
friends and family of thecommunity, and it is the
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Good morning, and welcome to Essential
Ingredients. I want to introduceto you today, Ron. He is a
Beauty Chemist, and I'm soexcited to have them on the
podcast as part of the BeautySeries. To hear more about what
they say is, clean beauty andwhat we can see for the future,
and what role natural and foodwill play in this, so stay
tuned. So thanks for joining metoday, Ron. I'm really excited
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to learn more about your brandand what you're doing. So for
those that are not familiar withyour brand, could you just give
us the high level, and thenwe'll dig deeper into it.
Ron Robinson: (00:46):
Absolutely. So I am a veteran cosmetic chemist.
Justine Reichman: (00:46):
So yeah, that the vitamin C. When you put in
I've developed products for manybig brands, including Clinique,
Estée Lauder, La Mer, Revlon,L'Oreal, and launched my own
your hand, and all of a sudden,it's turning color, like it's
brand called BeautyStat fiveyears ago with the mission of
unlocking the potential of goldstandard ingredients. We are
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prestige cosmetic chemistfounded, clinically tested
science backed brand. We areknown for our Vitamin C Serum
That's our best seller. And ourinnovation around that
ingredient is stabilizing thiswell known ingredient that is
known to be unstable, whichmeans it tends to oxidize and
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turn brown, and no longerdeliver results for consumers.
making your face a little bitmore orange. Have you ever had
that experience?
Ron Robinson: (01:41):
Yeah. That's from using a vitamin C serum that's
oxidized. Meaning, it's startedto shift. Just think about an
Apple as it starts to turnbrown, that's oxidation. And
when that happens, that meansit's no longer desirable. It's
no longer going to deliver anynutritional benefits or health
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benefits. And the same thingwith vitamin C. When you apply
it to skin, you want the vitaminC serum that stays stable and
delivers results for your skin,specifically around brightening
the skin and evening out skintone.
Justine Reichman: (02:14):
We could all use that, at least I could.
Ron Robinson: (02:17):
And this is the product right here. This is our
best selling Vitamin C Serum.It's our BeautyStat Universal C
Skin Refiner, and it contains20% vitamin C, which is working
to help fade hyperpigmentation,even the skin tone, and brighten
the skin.
Justine Reichman: (02:32):
I've been searching for the right one for
so long. I can tell you that Ihave hyperpigmentation here, a
little here. I mean, not that Ireally want to point it on a
video.
Ron Robinson: (02:41):
Your skin looks great, don't worry.
Justine Reichman: (02:44):
But that being said, I've tried so many
things, and I think it's finallygetting better over time. But
it's been years that, I wearvery little stuff to cover up.
But anyway, that goes back tothe ingredients of the products
that we're using, and so Ireally have focused what I have
on skin care products versusmakeup, and I think there's been
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a real shift in that too. Formany parties, they're now making
more skin care versus the makeupthat you just apply it, but it's
not doing anything for the skinin the same way.
Ron Robinson: (03:17):
Justine, it's such a big trend right now. We
call it the skinification ofbeauty products, which means
bringing skincare benefits toproducts that don't typically
work to help treat the skin. Soyes, you're right. Foundation,
lipstick, lip gloss, blush, allof these products are now
bringing in skincare benefits tohelp treat the skin, as well as
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give skin that instant color,which we expect from makeup
products.
Justine Reichman: (03:43):
Exactly. You expect to be a little brighter,
a little sunnier, a little bitnot so. I mean, for me, I can
tell the difference, and I justfeel like a lot of it is giving
moisture to the skin. Correct meif I'm wrong, it's feeding the
skin with the nutrients it'sbringing it to make it look its
best version of itself.
Ron Robinson: (04:04):
Correct. With these skin care benefits, it's
working to help hydrate theskin, repair skin's barrier. And
when you have healthy skin,healthy skin means more glowing,
more radiant skin.
Justine Reichman: (04:16):
Yeah, I couldn't agree more. So I'm
curious. There's been a lot oftalk around clean beauty, and a
lot of talk about what we put onour face. Shouldn't we care as
much as the things that we eat?And then there's been some
controversy about that. Itdoesn't really get into the
bloodstream, and maybe we shouldlook at biotech. So I'd love to
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explore this conversation withyou and get your thoughts on it,
where you see the future ofbeauty? And what role if any
food is playing in that? Or doyou think that was a moment in
time, and now we're fast forwardto biotech? So let's start where
you guys are at this moment,what we can see on the horizon
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for you? And how that connectswith that?
Ron Robinson: (05:03):
A couple things to talk about. So you mentioned
clean and clean beauty. Sothere's no definition for clean.
There's no established standardfor what clean is. So some
retailers have their owndefinition. And what that means
is they decide there areingredients that might be known
to be harmful to the skin, orunsafe for the skin, or irritate
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the skin, and they've isolatedthose ingredients and said,
okay, if your product containsthose ingredients, you are not
deemed clean for us. And you donot get that clean--
Justine Reichman: (05:39):
Stamp of approval.
Ron Robinson: (05:40):
Correct. You don't get that clean stamp of
approval. But every retailer isdifferent. So our approach,
BeautyStats approach is to onlyuse ingredients that are both
safe for the skin and effective.So we do comply with the various
retailer clean standards. Andwhen I say retailers, I'm
talking about the beautyretailers like Sephora, or Ulta
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Beauty, or Target. These aresome retailers that have their
own definitions of clean, so weabide and comply with all of
those various standards. But forthe consumer, again, the most
important thing is to deliverproducts that are both safe and
effective, and not try tonecessarily demonize
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ingredients. You mentioned aboutingredients that might be
harmful, might get into thebloodstream. Some of those
ingredients which are deemed notto be clean, there has been some
data showing that there is somepenetration, but the data does
not necessarily prove out thatthey are specifically dangerous
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in the long term. Our bodies aremeant to withstand things that
we encounter in nature and ineveryday life. Some things do
get into the skin, and then somethings our body is able to
handle and defend itself. Andit's all about context and the
amount, trace amounts can betotally safe. It's over
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exposure, which is does notreally happen. So for most
consumers, we're all dealing orworking with relatively safe
products, and there's no bigconcern from any specific
products being dangerous in mostcases. So I think we're playing
in a very good for you healthycategory. And again, our brain
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beauty set is about promotingsafe and effective products.
Justine Reichman: (07:36):
When you guys were developing your vitamin C,
or for that fact, developinganything, what role did food
play in it? Because we've hearda lot of conversation around
this. And when I say food, itcould be herbs, it could be
anything. I don't know that itnecessarily correlates to
vitamin C per se, but the ideais all these organic ingredients
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around us, what role do theyplay, whether it's in this or in
the future, for you, inproduction of new products?
Ron Robinson: (08:04):
The whole food, or food derived, natural derived
products, all in the category ofnatural and capitalizing on the
fact that consumers recognizecertain types of foods as being
healthy and good for them. Andthe thought is that if you could
ingest them and they're healthyto ingest, applying them
topically might deliver somebenefits. It's not always the
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case. Sometimes, it does workout. For example, we use green
tea, the most effective or mostpotent part of green tea, which
is known as a very healthybeverage in the food space, and
we leverage that because there'sproven results that the active
part of green tea can be veryeffective for soothing the skin,
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providing anti inflammatorybenefits. So that's one type of
food, type of ingredient that weleverage. But again, it's not
for the marketing purposes.Meaning, we're not talking to it
because we're trying to getconsumers to feel that we are.
Healthy food means healthyingredients for the skin. It's
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proven. It's proven to deliverresults for the skin, and that's
why we use ingredients like that.
Justine Reichman: (09:16):
I really appreciate that. Because so
often, people are talking aboutclean beauty, and we go to
stores like Frida wherethey'resupposed to have all these clean
products. But one thing for meis, it's great if it's clean,
but does it work? Is iteffective? And so I'm curious
about that connection there,what we're seeing, and what you
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see for the future?
Ron Robinson: (09:38):
Yeah. As I mentioned before, the consumer
is really concerned with safeproducts, and using safe and
effective products. That's a keything. So I think this whole
movement around clean, it's notgoing to have a lot of legs
because many brands and productsalready conform to what's
considered to be clean by thesespecific retailers. Or even some
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of these apps that try to helpconsumers understand what's
clean and what's not. So that'sa key thing, products that are
safe and effective.
Justine Reichman: (10:12):
I couldn't agree more. And I think that
there's a lot ofmiscommunication or changing the
narrative around it. People weretrying to push the clean beauty,
but people aren't asking, is itclean and effective? They're not
going on that. And to me, Ithink we're missing out by not
asking that. Because I thinkthere's a lot of technology,
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whether biotech, et cetera, thatreally is going to play a role
in this. And I think that peopleare scared of things that they
don't know, and then thequestions that are being
answered really need to be a bitmore extensive and curious about
what we really want. And at theend of the day, when I put
things on my face, I wantresults.
Ron Robinson: (10:54):
Exactly. Consumers more cost conscious.
They're watching their pocket,their wallets and everything
they spend. It's got to make adifference. Otherwise, it
becomes a waste. And no one hastime for waste, so totally
agree. The consumer wantsresults. They want safety as
well, but they want results. Ido want to touch on your
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question about biotech and howthat comes into play. Biotech is
a great space. It's a growingspace. And what that means is
that we could find or leveragethings, ingredients that occur
naturally. And rather thandeplete the resources from our
Earth, harvest and use up thosetypes of natural materials, we
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use biotech to recreate them inthe lab at scale. So basically,
we're taking the best of natureand scaling it in a laboratory
setting so that it is completelysustainable. Yet, it has its
roots in nature, and could besomething that could really
obviously deliver results forthe skin, but also could be
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recognizable by consumers.
Justine Reichman: (12:06):
I think that a lot of this is going to rely
on education, to educate theconsumer about this so they can
better understand and make moreinformed choices. What do you
think the most misconceived ideathat they have, that the
community has, or buyers havearound natural products is?
Ron Robinson: (12:24):
I think there's some folks that feel that
natural is better and thatsynthetic is bad, and that's a
really big piece ofmisinformation. On my social
media channels, I try toeducate, myth bust and explain,
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first of all, everything is achemical. Air is a chemical,
water is a chemical, and so weneed chemicals. We can't exist
without them. And some chemicalsare naturally derived, and some
are synthetic. There are somenatural products and ingredients
which are toxic, and too much ofthem could hurt us. And the same
thing with synthetic. So really,the best products use both,
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natural and synthetic. Theyblend and compose them in a way
to deliver great esthetics. Andagain, as we talked about
products that work, deliverresults and perform.
Justine Reichman: (13:19):
When folks go into a store, whether it's
Sephora or wherever to go buyproducts, what are some of the
things that they should bemindful of to stay away from?
Ron Robinson: (13:30):
If you're shopping in those stores, the
vetting has already happened.You're getting products that
have been tested, deemed safe.In most cases, clean, whatever
that word means. And I thinkwhere the consumer can really
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dig deeper and peel back theonion a little bit more is
whether or not that product istransparent about ingredients
they use? What percentages,sometimes that matters. But also
any clinical testing or thirdparty testing to show that that
product delivers results. Sothat's where the consumer needs
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to come in and do some research.
Justine Reichman: (14:12):
So if we're looking at these larger products
that we see in Sephora, some ofthem are, like you said, you
could have Clinique, you couldhave George Armani, you could
have products like Dr Brandt,and we're looking at them. How
do you compare the research andtrials that have been done by a
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doctor versus a regular brandthat maybe that is not supported
by a doctor or not derived by adoctor?
Ron Robinson: (14:39):
Yes, so it's a great question. Many consumers
are looking for expertperspectives, and some brands
are founded and are branded asan expert brand. We talked about
some other brands like Dr.Dennis Gross, where it's a
dermatologist founded brand. I'ma cosmetic chemist. I'm another
type of expert. My expertise isin formulating and developing
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products for the skin, and theyhave other brand founders and
other brands that do not haveany type of expert founder. And
I think we can all play with theunderstanding that consumers
want the results and validation.So any brand, whether Doctor LED
or not can do testing, thirdparty testing, to show that
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their product delivers and canmeet the needs of consumers.
Justine Reichman: (15:30):
Yeah. It's really interesting topic.
Because many times, people talkabout the brands that you see on
the shelves and the access, andthen you go to the doctors and
they're like, well, we don'thave those on the shelves yet.
You have to buy those here. Andso as the consumer, what do we
do? To me, the doctor's theexpert as I'm standing there in
the office. That's only becauseI don't know better,
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potentially.
Ron Robinson: (15:54):
You're there in the office and you've had a
treatment, and you're morelikely to listen to the expert
after you get out. Get out ofthe chair and you had just your
treatment. Hey, what do I do tomaintainor achieve this? Yes,
you have that, that captiveaudience. If you're shopping
around in a retailerenvironment, you don't have that
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assistance as you would. So theonus is on the customer to go in
and have done some research, ordoing research while shopping to
find the right product for theirskin.
Justine Reichman: (16:31):
So as a chemist, I'm sure there's things
that you might tell people tostay away from that they see.
Can you maybe share a few ofthose things that people may be
misunderstood and thought weregood, but maybe really should
take a second look at and look alittle further?
Ron Robinson: (16:47):
Yeah. When I think about recommending types
of products consumers should bebringing into their routine,
introducing into the routine isstick with the basics. Thinking
about a good, gentle cleanser, amoisturizer and a sunscreen.
Those are three things that mostconsumers need to maintain
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healthy skin. So that's myadvice. You don't need to go
chasing the latest anti wrinkleor spot treatment unless that's
a specific concern that youhave, right? So after you've
done those first three things,cleanse, moisturize, protect
your skin with sunscreen, andyou have other concerns that are
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more specialized, more advanced,then you could seek out, hey, do
I need a product to help smoothmy skin texture. Do I need a
product that's going to even outmy skin tone? Do I need a
product that's going to lift andfirm, or reduce my fine lines
and wrinkles? And then you cango into those specials. But
basics first, avoid the othertypes of specialist items unless
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that's a specific concern youare looking to address.
Justine Reichman: (17:56):
When we're going in there and we're doing
our research, whether beforehandor at the shop, and we're
looking for those threeproducts, I'm wondering, as a
chemist, and we think aboutingredients and we want products
to be transparent, are therethings that we should be aware
of that maybe we shouldn't get?When I go to buy my oat milk, I
try to find one that doesn'thave any gum in it. Water and a
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pinch of Himalayan pink. People,I want clean ingredients. So as
that relates to the productsthat we're talking about here,
what could you tell us to lookfor to avoid, and also to make
sure it does include becauseit's really helpful, for sure.
Ron Robinson: (18:34):
Go one by one. Cleansing, you want to look for
sulfate free cleanser. Whatcleansers do is they work to
help dissolve dirt, oil, makeup,debris. And in order to remove
all of that stuff, you need tohave or include what's called a
surfactant, which is a cleansingingredient. Some cleansing
ingredients could be tooaggressive and strip the skin.
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So sulfates are one thing tolook out for. You don't need
that in your facial cleanser.Look for a gentle cleanser that
has more coconut based cleansingingredients that will gently
cleanse your skin effectively.
Justine Reichman: (19:07):
Before we go on to the next one, I have a
question, though. If a cleanserand it says clean, can we expect
that it doesn't have a sulfatein it, or does that not play a
role, do we still need to digdeeper?
Ron Robinson: (19:19):
Sulfates are a suspect ingredient, and most
clean standards do not includesulfates. So that would be a NO.
So that would be a case wherethe clean guidelines for most of
these retailers might be a goodfit. Meaning that it's likely
going to be a more of a gentlecleanser because it doesn't
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contain that type of ingredient.So that's one great example.
Moving into moisturizer, that'syour second step. Moisturization
is key because it's going tohelp repair your barrier, soften
your skin, and just rebuild andmaintain healthy skin. You want
to look for ingredients likeglycerin. And look for other
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hydrating ingredients likehyaluronic acid or ceramides.
These are the key things you canlook for in a really good facial
moisturizer.
Justine Reichman: (20:10):
Is there anything that we should be aware
of that might pop out that's notgood, that we should pass over
and move on to the next?
Ron Robinson: (20:19):
Moisturizer, you want to make sure that it's not
too light. In other words, itwon't do the job of actually
hydrating your skin or not tooheavy and greasy. So the texture
matters, and it's very personal.Those are the key things to look
at for.
Justine Reichman: (20:34):
Rich one that's looks dewy.
Ron Robinson: (20:37):
So yeah. And some people like more of a gel, cream
and lighter, so it's reallypreference based. So you got to
shop around, sample and try.
Justine Reichman: (20:46):
But at least we have tips on what direction
to go to. So the third one thatyou were talking about, we had
the cleanser, we had themoisturizer. And third, we had
Ron Robinson: (20:55):
Sunscreen. Yeah, so things to look out there.
the sunscreen.
Look for the sunscreen a minimumof SPF 30 broad spectrum
protection experts agree an SPF30 at the minimum is going to
protect your skin from most ofthe UV damage that's possible
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through exposure to UV sunlight, etcetera. So look for a
minimum of 30, and there are twotypes of sunscreens. They're
chemical sunscreens, which aremore of the these are
synthetics, and they work tomostly absorb UV light and
prevent it from going andpenetrating the skin, and
causing damage. And then thereare mineral sunscreens. These
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are natural based sunscreens.Zinc oxide is very common, as
well as titanium dioxide.They're known for, if you ever
see lifeguards with the thewhite on over their nose, those
are classic zinc oxide ortitanium dioxide products. So
you don't want to necessarilywalk around with a white cast on
your face. So sunscreen, mineralsunscreens, have evolved.
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They've improved. So they'remore sheer, and you can get a
great SPF 30 minimal sunscreenthat is sheer and looks great on
the skin. So two options,chemical sunscreens and mineral
sunscreens. You want a minimumof SPF 30.
Justine Reichman: (22:14):
Okay. I gotta ask. So as you say chemical,
chemical sounds scary. Theaverage person hears that word,
they're like, oh, we don't wantchemicals. So talk to me about
that. Should we be scared ofthat? Is it a bad thing?
Ron Robinson: (22:27):
It's not a bad thing. And as we talked about
everything as a chemical, andit's more of how we classify
chemical, I think the reason whythe term chemical sunscreen was
coined was to differentiate itfrom the mineral or natural
sunscreens like titanium dioxideand zinc oxide. So it's not one
is bad, the other is good. It'sjust a way to classify them so
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consumers can understand thatevery ingredient is a chemical,
and each of these buckets do agreat job for protecting the
skin from UV damage.
Justine Reichman: (23:01):
It sound to me that the beauty industry is
doing a really good job ofbringing us products that are
safe and effective. And I thinkit's really now on the onus for
both the brands and theconsumers, because we need to
either ask for education or beeducated so that we can make
more informed choices.
Ron Robinson: (23:18):
Absolutely. And I think the brands that are
winning today are beingtransparent. They're educating
consumers, and they're creatingproducts that are really
delivering results, which is thekey thing as we agreed. At the
end of the day, I want to buy aproduct that's going to show
results, deliver results for me.
Justine Reichman: (23:39):
And so as we look at the future, because
we're always hoping that thingsare going to improve. What do
you see for the beauty industry?What do you see spearheading
that, whether it's naturalproducts, or is it the biotech
or something completelydifferent?
Ron Robinson: (23:54):
I see a few big trends in the industry coming
up. First of all, this ideaabout ingredient information,
providing more information toconsumers will continue. I think
every brand now needs to be aneducator, as well as a seller.
So I think that trend willcontinue. We talked about the
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connection with health. I thinkconsumers, more than ever, are
understanding the idea aboutinflammation. And we have people
in the new administration thatare really going after what's
potentially inflammatory typesof processed foods and seed
oils, and consumers arerecognizing that they should be
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considerate of being or usinganti inflammatory skincare as
well, knowing that they don'twant the bloating, the puffiness
and irritation that can happenwith not treating your skin by
providing anti inflammatorybenefits. We're in an era of
ozempic where consumers might belosing rapid weight loss and
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seeing changes in their facialskin, which might require skin
care to help lift firm and tone.So I think those are some of the
things that we'll be looking outfor. We can't forget Gen Alpha
with a new crop of consumersthat are in that 10 to 16 years
old range which are getting intoskincare, and might be using
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products that are too grown upfor them and not right for their
skin. So that's another movementwe have to watch and look for
products that are going to bemore catered for that gentle pre
adolescent skin. So those aresome of the big macro trends we
see going forward. I think manybrands will be, again, either
having products or launchingproducts to address those needs.
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Ar again, doubling down on theeducation of why ingredients and
products that they sell, whythey're important? Why they're
relevant? ANd how they couldbenefit consumers?
Justine Reichman: (26:00):
I think that that's so true. And I think that
young generation, really, it'sabout educating them too.
Because they're so young andthey're so impressionable, and
they always want to do whatmommy's doing. That may not be
appropriate for them, so I thinkit's really about giving them
their own place in the space towork with. The last piece that I
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want to touch on is the planet.In terms of the products that
we're creating and you'recreating, clearly, I'm not
creating anything in terms of aproduct. But as you create a
product, you're thinking aboutwhat's going into it, and you're
thinking about the packaging andthen disposal of this. What role
does sustainability play in itfor you? Because that's going to
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impact the health, the wellnessand the future of the planet.
Ron Robinson: (26:47):
It's a big question, a big concern. Many
brands, big and small, arefocusing on this. And the thing
is, our suppliers, those people,those companies that we go to
get our packaging andcomponentry, they are coming
forward as well. I think thebigger question is, how does our
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city, state, region, countryhelp to recycle and make sure
that if we use highlysustainable packaging that it
actually gets treated as such,and just doesn't get dumped with
everything else? So that's thekey. That's a bigger question,
the beauty industry is lookingat this as it's more than just
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us. We're doing our part. We'rereally trying to use more
sustainable and recyclablematerials in our products and
packaging. But we need helpfrom, again, every municipality,
city, state, etcetera, county.
Justine Reichman: (27:48):
And to that point, I know where we live,
where we recycle, they have verystrict guidelines. So even if
something comes in a recyclething, they only accept a small
percentage of it to be recycled,so I think there really does
need to be some conversationbetween these municipalities and
the suppliers so that we cancome up with something that's
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uniform. Because otherwise,there's a lot of, dare I say
greenwashing going around this,because it's not really
something that we can evenrecycle or upcycle.It doesn't
meet those guidelines for thespecific area.
Ron Robinson: (28:23):
I totally agree. So it's a big job. We have to
keep fighting the good fight.And again, doing as best as we
can with the materials that wehave, and pushing everyone to
help us be more sustainable.
Justine Reichman: (28:41):
Awesome. Ron, thank you so much for joining me
today. I really appreciate it.
Ron Robinson: (28:45):
Thank you so much for having me. Really appreciate
it.
Justine Reichman: (28:48):
My pleasure. We look forward to continuing to
see what you guys are doing, andhow things evolve, and what role
if any food plays in this, andhow natural evolves. Because I'm
curious to see since natural isout there, and everybody's
saying that everything'snatural. But then, we're not
showing the efficacy of it, orthe impact of it. What is this
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going to end up looking like?And are we going to end up being
a lot more comfortable withthings right now that seem
scary, but really could be awhole lot more useful?
Ron Robinson: (29:23):
I think we're going to end up in a place where
consumers become more informed.They are more educated.
Understanding. Just because it'snatural doesn't mean it's
necessarily good for them.They'll understand nuance.
They'll understand that leveland concentration matters, and
it's a balance. And again, it'sup to them. Do your research,
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test, trial sample, and find thebest products for them within
those guidelines of, again,cleanse, moisturize, and protect
your skin.
Justine Reichman: (29:54):
Awesome. Ron, thanks so much for joining me
today. Really appreciate it.
Ron Robinson: (29:57):
Likewise. Thank you so much for having me.
Appreciate it.
Justine Reichman: (29:59):
And for folks that want to learn more about
what you do or learn more aboutyour product, what's the best
way to connect or learn more?
Ron Robinson: (30:06):
Follow my brand at BeautyStat on all social, and
you can follow me where you canhear all of my educational
content and videos at RonRobinson Cosmetic Chemist.
Justine Reichman: (30:19):
Awesome. Thanks again. I want to thank
our guests for tuning in today.They've become friends and
family, and I'm so excited toalways to bring guests like
yourself that can really impacthow we make decisions, so thank
you. Thanks all for tuning intoday. You guys have become
friends and family of thecommunity, and it is the
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community that I reallyappreciate, and that keeps me
coming back each week to bringyou new guests to talk about the
future of food and what it meansfor our health wellness on the
planet. So today's episode, ifyou liked it, don't forget to
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