20 Sneaky Upside Draft Picks (Ep. 516)

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Speaker 1 (00:16):
Everyone, Welcome into the Fantasy Pro's Football Podcast. I'm your host,
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How's it going, Buddy? I mean, you know, we're coming
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a price to pay, apparently because the last question that
show had to do with who would play me in
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And I said that if that happens, I am not
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I'm holding true to that, Bobby, I'm not gonna be
here next week. Wasn't it like ninety five percent voted?
It was not ninety five It was like sixty sixty
one or something like that, but it's still too much.
It doesn't matter. Danny DeVito is the exact opposite of me.
So Tags, you're right. Tags is a really big, strong,
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him wrong, so you know why you blew it. He's
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This is a throwback show, back to the time when
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lot of fun, lots of rasing. But really I looked

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at tags list. There is not much to ras him
about because we're talking sneaky upside plays and I really
liked tags taste on these type of players. I've got
ten Tags as ten, so we've got twenty combined. First
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If you had the pleasure to talk to him yet,
I have not. Matt and I follow each other on Twitter,
but we've never actually talked on podcasts. I'm looking. He
knows his stuff, man, he is super super sharp. Speaking
of baseball, I did watch I watched like two innings yesterday.
It was I mean, it was. It was really weird
watching baseball with nobody in the stands, and isn't it.
It's just an odd experience. And I saw what the
NBA was doing too, in terms of like having the

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boards like all around, like blocking the stands so you
can't see it. It's just like, it's so surreal living
in twenty twenty and seeing how sports are playing out.
And I'm I mean, football is like, you know, is
there a home field advantage anymore? In football? I don't, Well,
I think that there is. If you have to travel
really far, like going to Seattle, that's always difficult. If
you go into Denver and you're playing in the elevation,

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that's extremely difficulty. Besides that, maybe not too much. I
don't know. Tags I don't want to talk about baseball
like much longer. I know that it would drive you crazy,
but since you brought it up, it is so crazy.
I just saw a graphic saying, imagine seeing this a
year ago, and it's like Mookie Betts signed a twelve
year extension with the Dodgers. Mike Trout might play this
season like the best player in baseball, and then it

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says the Blue Jays will not be playing in Pittsburgh, Like,
can you imagine seen that a year ago? Because they're
from Toronto. By the way, the Blue Jays don't even
know where they're gonna play. It's opening day today as
we're recording this. It's just absurdity. We found out yesterday
when the first game started how many playoff teams there
were gonna be twenty twenty. Is just we're so quickly
to sensitize to it. It's crazy, man, It is nuts, man.

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But I'm just happy they're sports back. I mean, in
the end, we'll take a little bit of awkward or
odd sports than no sports at all. That's exactly right.
All right, dude, you're ready to talk about some sneaky
upside players, Yeah for sure. All right now, these are
in no specific order. We're just going to run through
the list. We've each got ten of them tags. He
do you want to start us with? I mean, I'm
gonna start with a with a layup here. And you know,
some of these guys, they're gonna have their ADP, like

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the upside is baked into their ADP, and this guy
is and that's why it's not really a shocker to
hear the Kareem Hunts on here. But Kareem Hunt is
someone that a lot of people talk about his role
last season and they say that, well, he's gonna be
flex viable every week and just because you know, he
was racking up the receptions and this and that. But
I and I think a lot of us are guilty
of ourselves to to just look at last year and
then think about things like that. But we have to

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remember Kareem Hunt. He didn't play until Week ten. He
had no idea about the offense because he couldn't even
be around the team for a while. And then on
top of that, we have a brand new offense coming
in with Kevin Stefanski. We have no idea how things
are gonna shake out. We don't know how they're gonna
use Nick Chub and Kareem Hunt. But what I can
tell you is that Kareem Hunt was actually much much
much better than Nick Chubb last year in the red
zone once they get on the goal line. Nick Chubb,

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I posted this on Twitter the other day, is that
he had sixteen carries inside the five yard line. He
had negative nine yards on those carries. Meanwhile, Kareem Hunt
actually scored more than he was supposed to on his
red zone touches. So Kareem Hunt is someone that obviously,
you know, he does have some value. But in terms
of upside, if you're drafting for pure upside and you're like,
you know, I would take Kareem Hunt over Devin Singletary,

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Singletary is going to get more touches per game most likely.
But if you're drafting for pure upside, which is what
this show is about, I'm gonna say Kareem Hunt over
someone like Devin Singletary. I agree with that man. Yeah,
so what is his upside? Could Kareem Hunt, even with
Nick Chubb, be a top fifteen Fantasy football running back?
I think it's possible because I do think that Stefanski
wants to run the ball an awful lot, and Kareem

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hunts extremely talented. You know, he does catch the ball
out of the backfield. They only they don't. I don't
anticipate them running a whole lot of three wide receiver sets,
so you don't have to project the whole Hunt just
move into the slot. They might do that. I mean,
it's it'll be interesting to see if they do, because
it's not something they did in Minnesota, and you always
have you have to wonder if if it was it
Stefans was a Gary Kubiak. There there's a lot of
question marks about Stefanski as a play caller. But what

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we do know is that they built up that offensive
line Jedderick Wills and then signing Jack Conklin in free agency.
These are two players that we know can play right
away that are going to be like they should be
very solid upfront, which is something they can't They haven't
been able to say for a while. So yeah, Kareem Hunt,
even if Chubb is on the field, I think Kareem
Hunt could finish is a top twenty running back. But

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if whatever reason that Nick Chubb, let's say, COVID strikes
or an injury or whatever the case. I mean, missus,
I mean Kareem Hunt isn't every week must start like
top five play. I agree, top five play. I think
he has more upside than Nick Chubban. A lot of
people got upset when I said this on Twitter because
it's like, hold on a second, Nick Chubb's this starter,
But can Nick Chubb actually be a top three fantasy
football running back. I don't think so, because in the

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ten weeks that Kareem Hunt was gone. Last year, Nick
Chubb at thirty seven targets. That's not going to cut it.
You can't be an elite. I'm talking like a lead
of the elite fantasy football running back with thirty seven
targets in ten games. Kareem Hunt, meanwhile, would be a
true three down bell cow game script proof back. Well,
I think Freddy Kitchens was dumb, that's one that's true,
and he didn't use Chubb the way he does because,

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like if you go back to Chubb's the second year,
in the rookie year, he caught a lot of passes
out of the backfield, he actually did really well, a
lot better than some people anticipated. And but if so,
if Kareem Hunt were in this time, I do think
that Nick Chub would absolutely have that top five upside,
the same as Kareem Hunt. But both of them, they
just happen to have two extremely talented running backs because
I do think I think Chubb's better on the ground

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in terms of one two down work, and then Kareem
Hunt might be a little bit of an upgrade as
a receiver. But they kind of wash each other out
in terms of like these Chubb Chubbs upside is limited,
but you're paying for him. He's going is like a
late first round pick, early second Kareem Hunt. You obviously
don't have to pay that much for him. So, by
the way, in the seven weeks that Kareem Hunt was back,
eighty seven PPR points for Kareem Hunt, eighty nine for

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Nick Chubb, they were number seventeen and eighteen. I'm not
paying for Chubb. I am paying for Hunt. And if
anything happened at Chub, as you mentioned tags, Kareem Hunt
would be a top five rest of the season fantasy
football running back. These are the kind of upside plays
that I absolutely love. YEA, all right, here's my first one.
I've got a running back as well. This is someone
one we've already seen him achieve this upside. It was

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when he was behind a very good offensive line with
the Los Angeles Rams, and the two years he was
behind a crap offensive line. Guess what, he was extraordinarily inefficient.
It's not because he was a bad player in those years.
It's because running backs, the scheme, the volume, the surrounding talent,
matters so much more than the actual talent. Now, a
player like Sequon Barkley can do it no matter what

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the surrounding talent is, right, But Todd Gurley, it was
pretty apparent he really lived it up when he was
behind that offensive line. Now he gets some major upgrade
offensive line. Now the Falcons aren't a great offensive line,
but we could see him return into that volume that
we know he can have. Last year, they just stopped
passing the ball. Towards the end of the season, they
started giving the ball a ton and guess what, he
was really good again. He looked at He looked a

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lot better down the stretch because at the beginning, right like,
he doesn't look like the same Todd Gurley, And as
the year went on, he looked better and better. So
I don't know if I had to do with the
lack of work in the preseason, I don't I don't know.
I can't answer that. But what I do know is
that Todd Gurley was the first running back since two
thousand and three to finish as the RB one back
to back seasons. So I mean, clearly the guy is
uber talented. Last year, he just wasn't targeted a whole

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lot in the passing game, and the Falcons have zero
competition for him. So if you're daft thing for upside,
if you take Todd Gurley in the third round, I
have zero issue with it. Is there some risk, Sure,
a lot of the guys we're gonna talk about today
are going to have some risk involved, and that's why
you know it's considered an upside play. It's not the
safest bet. But Todd Gurley, if he stays in the
field for all sixteen games, he's gonna finish his the

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top twelve running back. I mean, he was RB fourteen
last year with missing a game. He had more Fantasy
points per game than Joe Mixon last year and he's
being drafted RB eighteen even though he gets an upgrade
in the offensive line. Yeah, well, not just that, I
mean that the offense in general is going to play better,
Like Matt Ryan's a better quarterback than Jared Goff. You know,
they have Julio Jones, they have Calvin Ridley, they have

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a Hayden Hurst now and Gurley was he caught thirty
one passes machine dude. For whatever reason, they didn't target
him in the passing game. Devanta Freeman played fourteen games
last year. Do you know many receptions he racked up
in those fourteen games? Fifteen nine of them? It was
a lot, dude almost double with girl, and they're losing
Austin Hooper who had a ton of receptions. Yeah, he
was on pace for I think one hundred and ten

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targets last year. So there's plenty of targets to go
around here. It's why I think we talk about Calvin Ridley,
we talk about guys like Hayden Hurst, and we're talking
about Todd Gurley. This Atlanta Falcons offense is going to
have passing volume, and that's where you score a lot
of your fantasy points. So you're exact time early. Yeah,
so what's his upside? Man and this offense? Could you
see him being a top five Fantasy football running back?
Maybe even top three? I was about to say top

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five because Gurley. I mean, as the years have gone on.
I do an article that I released a couple weeks ago,
and it's which running backs were better worse than expected
in two nineteen and based on where they get their
touches on the field, the touches they get all those
things they haven't expected Fantasy Score and Todd Gurley was
ranked I think it was number one in twenty seventeen,
and then in two and eighteen it went to like
number I think he was number twelve, and then last

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year he was like towards the bottom of the league.
So it was really bad in terms of like overall,
he did not he wasn't as efficient with those touches
and under Dirt Cutter. I'm not going to be totally
ignorant to this fact that Dirt Cutter's teams just don't
run the ball very well. They don't run the ball
a lot. I want to say. I was going through
those numbers the other day, and I think the stat
was that dirt Cutter in he's coached teams for the

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last eight years, and I think one of them ranked
in the top twenty for rushing attempts. So his teams
just don't run the ball a whole lot. And I
think that's also good for Gurly because then he'll get
more targets. Exactly. That's where I think the value has
to come from with Gurley. So here it is here
it Cutter has coordinated or coached eight different teams since
twenty twelve. Just one of them finished better than number
twenty four in rushing yards. Right, that's crazy, that is nuts.

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But Todd Gurley back in twenty seventeen sixty four reception,
seven eighty eight, bunch of touchdowns. We know we can't
get it done through the year. Let's see if atlantises
in the way. And I want to remind you guys
when we're talking, Hey, he has a chance to finish
top five. That is upside. That is not what we're projecting.
I mean, Tags, what do you have him ranked? Like?
RB fourteen, I've got him RB thirteen, Yeah, that's I believe.
I have a yep, RB fourteen right there, and I'm

(14:08):
teetering in that RB thirteen to fifteen range. But that's
where he belongs. And that's a high third round pick.
I agree with that. And his ADP is RB eighteen,
So he's a good value now, Tags, the last guy
you talked about, Kareem Hunt. We said, if anything were
to happen to Nick Chubb, he would have a ton
of upside. And that's what a lot of this is
going to be is you know, if an injury happens
with these later round picks and the next guy that

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you have has unbelievable upside, And I just want to
say this before I introduce the player. Okay, one of
the things that I love most about ETags. I love
the your incredible smart fantasy analysts. I love the your
great guy. But I love that when you change your
mind or you think you were wrong, you admit that
you were wrong, and you change your mind on Tony
Pollard because last preseason you weren't super excited, but then

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you saw him play and you thought, Okay, this is
a heck of a football player. If Zeke was to
go down, Tags, just how good could Tony Pollard be? Well,
the only way to get better is to learn from
our stakes, right, And Tony Pollard was someone that coming
into the NFL, I was worried about the lack of
workload that he had in college and saying, well, I
don't I don't want to automatically suggest this guy's gonna
be a top three running back of Zeke goes down
or holds out or whatever the case. Maybe, but Tony power.
He looked absolutely phenomenal last year in the NFL. And yeah, yeah,

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the game changes so much when you get to the
next level. You know, like the speed of the game,
but Tony Power had adjusted very well to it. There's
a lot of things going in his favor this year.
Where Ezekiel Elliott his efficiency has come down a little
bit as the years have gone on. You've seen his
rushing yards come down year by year. He has a
lot of miles on him. I mean, going back to college,
Ezekiel elliotts he's got a lot of miles on him,
and that's why a lot of people felt like the

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contract that the Cowboys gave him was a little bit
too much. But again, they play behind the best offensive
line in football. They did lose a whole bunch of
targets this offseason with Jason Witton leaving in his eighty
three targets, Randall Cobb and his eighty three targets. Not
sure Ceedee Lamb is going to come in and take
some of those targets, but let's not pretend that he's
going to get one hundred and twenty targets. There's targets
to go around in this offense. And Mike McCarthy coming
in he might have some influence on Kellen Moore. And

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if you go back to Green Bay, I mean, even
Eddie Lacy when he was in his heyday. They were
giving Eddie Lacy work enough work to finish the top
five running back, but they were also giving James Stark's
work throughout those rids too, So I mean, even going
back years like Ryan Grant, guys like that, they were
included in the offense. So I think it's natural to
expect Pollard to have an increased role in this offense.
But if something were to happen to Zeke, that's like,

(16:17):
that's a league winner right there, and that's what you're
searching for. I can't ever see starting Tony Pollard unless
Zeke is hurt. I mean maybe if you get one
of these teams that is just absolutely horrible. Like Week twelve,
they get Washington, which I think is officially known as
Washington Football Club right now. Yeah, unquestioned the football team.
That's what they want to be. It might just be

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all season, I don't know, but they're the Washington Football Club.
But they play him in Week twelve, Like I could
use Tony Pollard in that game because yeah, they're gonna
win by two or three touchdowns. He's gonna get twelve carries.
But besides that, this is all if Zeke gets hurt
and if he does, tags does Tony Pollard to have
more upside than any other backup running back? You could
put Latavi's murrying that conversation, Kareem Hunt, may JK. Dobbins,

(17:00):
who we're going to talk about in a little bit,
but I think Tony Pollard might be number one. Yeah.
I wouldn't put Dobbins in that conversation, honestly, Um, but
I would say, I agree with you, there's a tear
and it's it's Latavia's Murray, it's Kareem Hunt, it's Tony Pollard.
So those guys not Madison. No, I wouldn't put Madison there.
And I think I think there's other talented running backs
in that roster. And I think that they would go
to use guys like Mike Boone. Um if they had too,

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I know that's your boy, but um no, I think
they would mix it up a little bit. I don't
think they would treat him like Dalvin Cook where even
you know some other guys that are backups. I don't
think that they walk into a three, three down role.
These are the guys that we know they do. They
play for a good offense, They played behind a good
offensive line. So yeah, Tony Pollard is the question is
how high Head drafted Hi Boby, because rankings are one thing,

(17:43):
like projections are one thing, but drafting these guys is
a completely different one because like, I'm not taking a
chance I'm drafted. I'm drafting him early. He's RB forty
seven and ADP I'm taking him around RB thirty five.
This is one where you don't mess around. In my opinion, Yeah,
I'm well doing as Ronald Jones comes off the board.
For me, it's Tony Pollard time. Yeah, I'm looking at
I think that RB thirty eight, RB forty range because

(18:05):
I mean, depending on what you're drafting for, right, because
a lot of times at RB thirty five thirty six,
you can get guys like Jordan Howard, who he's a
starting running back in the mh S. If you need
a third running back still, Jordan Howard's fine, sure, Yeah,
But if you have Latavious Murray though, because I think
he has this upside and I think he's pretty safe.
I agree. That's why Latavius Murray. I would draft Latavius
Murray over because I think he's more than just a handcuff. Um.

(18:27):
I mean, I know that we're supposed to flip flop here,
but I'm gonna bring up a third one. I'm just
gonna say Latavius Murray's on my time and I want
to talk about him because I think people forget that.
In twenty seventeen, Mark Ingram and Alvin Kamara finished his
top six running backs like that is unheard of in fantasy, right,
But this is the way it is with the Saints.
The Saints always it's almost like the Patriots, except you
don't have the guessing game of like four different running

(18:48):
backs the Patriots. You have two. That's it, right outside
of Alvin Kamara and Latavius Murray. I mean, are you
worried about Time Montgomery. I'm not. I think he's actually
the handcuffed to Alvin Kamaro though. But those two are
going to produce this off fence. You know, Michael Thomas,
is he going to get two basically two hundred targets? Again, No,
Drew Brees is now old. He's older than he's up there.
I think forty one years old now. And Drew Brees

(19:09):
he's starting to check down a lot more. Latavia's Murray
was the RB one when Alvin Kamara was out last year.
I just feel like this this this rushing attack has
been like top five like every single year, and then
all of a sudden last year they had some touchdown
regression to the mean kind of hit him pretty hard
and they finished in team scoring for running backs, I
think that they were outside the top ten or top twelve.
So if some of that comes back towards what it's

(19:31):
been under Sean Payton, I think Latavias Murray could be
a top twenty four running back even with Alvin Kamara
on the field. And that's something everywhere, dude. And as
you mentioned, he was the RB one when Alvin Kamara
was out, So yeah, of course there's a lot of
upside here. It wasn't even close either, like when he
like he was the RB one by like quite a bit.
And he's being drafted as the forty fifth running back.

(19:51):
But Bobby, come on, guys, So here's the thing. Let's
talk about some names like real Quick, the cam Akers,
DeAndre Swift, Sony Michelle, Marlon Mack. These are guys going
in at RB twenty eight. Draft them. Darius Geiss is
in there, That's what I'm saying. In a season like this,
don't you think having upside running backs on your bench
means more than having the boring guys that are just

(20:11):
gonna be plugged in your lineup. Maybe I'm wrong about
Jordan Howard. Maybe I shouldn't be taking him over guys
like Tony Pollard, over guys like Latavius Murray because what
is he build? Man? There's that there's a reason you
could take Jordan Howard there. But I mean, he's not
gonna help you win your league. He's gonna maybe be
a flex play sometimes some weeks he'll be in RB two.

(20:32):
Tony Pollard. If you get eight weeks out of Tony Pollard,
dude's a league winner. Latavius Murray same thing. Oh yeah.
Oh and this this offseason, Bobby, you and I talk
all the time about how zero running back is not
something we love. We don't we don't go into strategies.
But if there's one year that I can get on
board and say that I think it could work, it's
this year. Because if you wait till like the fifth round,

(20:53):
you take like a David Montgomery. Okay, he's your RB one.
You know he's getting volume. Whatever he's boring, I don't care,
all right, and then you go on and you take
someone like like a Kareem Hunt that you could plug
in there and just kind of hope things happen. But
you talk like some of the guys were talking about
on the show, like the Pollard's, the Latavius Murray's guys
like this, even JK. Dobbins. You get these guys in
your bench and like, this is this year more than ever,

(21:14):
there's going to be running backs missing games and it
might not even maybe one, like every once in a while,
man just pop out of nowhere and maybe one for
an entire season. DFS is gonna be bananas this year
because fun you have to be paying attention on Sunday
morning because it might not be COVID. And so the
thing is, COVID tests take time, obviously to go through,
and these guys are gonna get tested all the time.
But if they walk into the stadium on Sunday morning
and they have a temperature over a certain threshold I

(21:36):
can't remember what the number is, they are going to
be ruled inactive and they have to leave the stadium.
If that happens. It's like if you have all these
high upside guys in your bench, suddenly you're gonna have
a problem choosing who you're gonna start. It's like, wait,
do I take a certain Nick Chubb or do I
start someone like Tony Pollard because Tony Pollard is starting
that day. It's just those are the questions you have
to think about and like play out these scenarios. I mean,

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it's not like the flues going away. It's not like
ear infections or bronchitis or rhodovirus or norovirus or STDs
are going away. Like players are gonna have these things
and they're gonna be ruled out from the game, and
everyone's gonna be like, wait a second, this guy was
supposed to play. Oh wait, I need to pick up
Darrington Evans right now. Yeah, we got to be paying
close attention, and we're gonna help you out with that,

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no doubt about it. We'll set up our ball game
big time for sure. All Right, man, So you did too,
I'm gonna do two now, let's see, ye. I'll go
with my I only have two running backs on this
list because I feel like a lot of the guys
that we always mentioned Murray Pollard and I knew you
were going to talk about them and they're my two favorites.
I really like Madison, I really like Darrington Evans. I
like Chase Edmonds a little bit. Damien Harris, which I

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feel like is not sneaky at all, just because he's
gonna by the time we draft, he's gonna be the
starting running back, I think, and he won't be sneaky.
But the other name that I have, and he was
also on your list, but I had to use him,
is JK. Dobbins just because I mean, we're talking about
the team that just broke the single season rushing yard
record and they did it in twenty twenty. Is Lamar
Jackson can continue running at this rate. I don't know,

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We've never seen this in NFL history. It's possible, but
more likely, I think his rushing gets clipped back a
little bit. And we saw mark Ingram a thirty year old,
succeeding this role last year in Flying Colors, right, And JK.
Dobbins does everything at this stage in his career better
than mark Ingram maybe ever does. So I'm taking JK.

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Dobbins just in case he just flat out steals the
job in one of the best rushing the single best
rushing offense in football. I think it's possible he steals
a job. I really do. I mean, you had the
injury to Ingram down the stretch last year and he
had to be like basically shut down, and there was
there's some red flags about mark Ingram one hundred percent,
thirty one years old. There's a lot of red flags, right,
and then Dobbins was a guy that had a first

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round grade on Here's my issue. Though mark Ingram was
fantastic last year, like absolutely fantastic, there was just one
game all year where mark Ingram top sixteen carries. And
the reason that happens is because they believe in a
time share there. They want to mix it up despite
are also blowing people out right. But but despite mark
Ingram playing the way that he did, they felt the
need to give Gus Edwards and Justice Hill twelve to

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fifteen touches per week. So my issue with the whole
thing is that even if mark Ingram loses the starting job,
they're gonna involve him. He's gonna get ten to twelve touches.
That's true, and then Gus Edwards is gonna get a
couple here and there, maybe Justice Hill. There's a lot
of question marks there and then so even and if
mark Ingram is his time, we could say that Dobbins
goes into the role that mark Ingram had last year

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and they're gonna mix in Edwards and Hill, which is fine.
But again, mark Ingram was super efficient last year in
terms of like how many touches he had and where
he was at on the field when he got those touches.
He was projected to be the number twenty three running back,
but he finished number eight. So Dobbins I'm a little
hesitant with. But where he's going in drafts is it

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baked into his cost? Because his draft cost has started
going up, like he's he's forty two right now, which
isn't crazy high, but I think that's going to continue
to go up up to RB thirty eight range. And
I couldn't take someone like him over at Latavius Murray
or over Tony Pollard. Okay, I was just gonna ask
you that, So you would prefer Latavius Murray and Tony
Pollard because I look, I agree that Tony Pollard and

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Latavius Murray have bonkers upside more than JK. Dobbins. Yeah,
but I think JK. Dobbins has a chance to steal
to steal the jocks. Latavius Murray doesn't. So it's a
good question. You have to figure that out, Like how
much is that worth to say that he could potentially
steal that job. I'd love to have all three of them, man,
you give me Kareem Hunt, JK. Dobbins, Latavius Murray, Tony Pollard,
Alexander Madison. I'm not kidding. I want those five running

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backs and two starters from the first two or three rounds.
And I'm stoked, man, because I'm gonna get an RB
one out of those five for sure. All right, let's
see here, so I said J JK. Dobbins. Let's move
on over to wide receiver tax I just posted this
the other day and it blew my mind. Man. So
I was looking at the best five game stretches. I

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did this for running backs back back a while ago. Actually,
I did, I think eight game stretches, and moster was
very near the very top, right behind I think Derrick
Henry and Christian McCaffrey, and then it was where he mostert.
Now I looked at the five game stretches for wide
receivers just because this was how much time we got
to see Breshad Perriman play. See if Chris god went
at the top. He was amazing for a while. Michael Thomas,

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Tyree Hill, Amari Cooper. You see a trend, all these
absolute studs. Mike Evans, A J. Brown, you remember him
at the end of last season. Marvin Jones is in
there by the way, and Brashad Perriman was one of
only twelve guys to have over ninety half PPR Fantasy
points on a five week stretch. It was the only
five weeks he was on the field for the majority
of the time, and he was bawling out. It wasn't

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just Jamis Winston throwing the ball up. Breshad Perriman on
tape was making some serious plays man, and he has
a chance to be the wide receiver one for Sam Darnold,
who mind you? Last year came back from Mono. He
missed a little bit of time. When you come back
from mono tags, I don't know if you've ever had Mono, dude,
ye you feel like crap for the next year. Sam
Donald was playing through that. He came back a little

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bit too soon. Remember, it was kind of dangerous like
for his if to actually play and then he had
nobody to throw too, and he was still fine. He
was all right, man, And this might be the number
one wide receiver. Remember, Perriman's a former first round pick,
extraordinary athlete. I don't think he's safe by any means,
but I want to buy a lottery taket just in case.
So there's a few things I worry about with Pereman. Obviously,
he's been passed from team to team. This is his

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fourth team in four years, so teams have moved on
from him, and that just doesn't happen with young talent
that the Jets didn't believe in a whole lot at
the game of one year deal. It's kind of like
it whatever, It's kind of what's been happening with Breshad Perriman.
And did he make the most of his opportunity. Yeah,
I mean Jameis Winston's willing to chuck it up and
he was willing to throw to run under it, you know.
But my issue is that this whole offseason he hasn't

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been able to work out with Darnold. That's that's a
real problem. He hasn't learned the offense, you know, Adam
Gay's offense is bad enough as it is, but not
even learning it is another issue too. And then you
go into the fact that I did so my wide
receiver strength. The schedule is different than everyone else's. What
everybody else does is they look at, you know, last
year's numbers, and they say, okay, which were the best
teams and the worst teams, and then they spit it
out schedule. What I did is I went through the

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cornerback units of every team in the league and I
ranked them, and then I put him in tears and
I said, okay, this gets a score. This gets a score,
and I went through it. The Jets have the absolute
worst schedule in the NFL for perimeter wide receivers, really
and yeah, so it's really rough. So even though I
like Denzel Mims, I like Denzel Mims a bit as
a player, but I'm not going to draft him this year.
I think this is another Jamison Crowder season because in

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the slot, he's gonna get a lot of those nickel
cornerbacks and that those matchups don't really matter as much.
So unfortunately, love slot receivers for what it's worth. He has. Yeah, so,
I mean that's the part where I understand the appeal
with Perriman, But there's just so much red tape to
get through in order to find that the chance that
that happens now is there, you know, a five to
ten percent chance maybe, but it just I don't I

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think that there's better Hail Mary's that you could take
in your draft ADP sixty seven right now for wide receivers.
So are you telling me you would rather have someone
like Hunter Renfro, Larry Fitzgerald, Nikkiel, Harry, Harry. Yeah, I'd
take Harry over you would, Okay? Yeah, I mean, I
guess Harry has some upside. But actually, you know who
I should have brought up. I don't know why I
didn't think of him, Antonio Brown Tags. No, I would

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rather have him than b Shred Perriman. I think it's
I know he just retired, guys, but would you say Tags,
there's a twenty percent chance he place he plays. He's
a wide receiver too, maybe a wide receiver one. And
there's nobody else in this range who has a twenty
percent chance of being a wide receiver too. I don't
think he's playing. And on top of that, like this
is what we agree. It's almost like there's a chance.
It's like AJ Green last year, right, where you draft

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a player like or Antonio Brown or AJ Green and
basically they're on your roster and you're holding out hope
that they're going to return, and it prevents you from
making some moves that you actually need to make in
fantasy football. And I did it. It was it was
a lesson learned last year at AJ Green and his
situation was more likely that he was coming back. Doctors
were saying that he was going to come, but he
was a six round pick. You can get Antonio Brown
in the fourteenth round, right, But again you have to

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understand are you going to be willing to cut him
or if he doesn't have a job by the preseason,
I'm cutting Antonio Brown, but he's not going to your league. Well,
he's not going to have a job. And that's the thing.
He's going to get suspended. We just don't know how
long even if he did return again, you're right, yeah,
so he gets suspended. And that's what I'm saying is
that you know he's gonna get suspended for a minimum
of four games. That's a minimum. And then it's like, Okay,
do you want to hold on to him during that time,

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especially what the league the way it is, you might
have to like literally like rotating in and out players
off your bench because of like you know, what's going
on in the world. So I can't draft someone like
Antonio Brown. I get the appeal, I really do. But right,
let's go with your next name. Let's keep it moving.
Are you going t J. Hopkinson here? That's exactly who
I'm gonna talk about is because I mean, I think
people forget just how you know, rookies are not supposed
to produce in fantasy football. They're just tight end rookies. Yeah,

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like never they never have except Gronk and Evan Ingraham
Win who was Beckham and Brandon Marshall got hurt and
they had no one else. Sterling Shepard got hurt. Yeah,
I think it was Tie was their number one wide
receiver for a while. But yeah, but in terms of
like opportunity, like, so here's the top twelve tight ends
last year from opportunity and tight ends, all right, it
was Trevis Kelsey, Zach ERDs, Darren Waller, George Kittle, Austin Hooper,

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Mark Andrews, Tyler Higbee, my Kisiki Dallas Goddard, Greg Olson,
Jason Witten, and Hunter Henry. All Right, we all know
those guys because all of them finished his top thirteen
tight ends. Had t J. Hockinson played all sixteen games,
he would have ranked twelfth on that list, ahead of
Hunter Henry. So, uh, that's the opportunity he got in
his rookie season. So if you basically say, all right,

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we're gonna expect progression, we're gonna expect him to be
a lot more efficient because he was horrendous in twenty nineteen,
but again, he was a rookie tight end. This offense
outside of Kenny Galladay and Marvin Jones, who Marvin Jones
has been injured quite a bit. But outside of those two,
I mean Danny m and Doola, is that who's gonna
be eating up a lot of targets over the middle
of the field. I'd rather be TONA Hokinson and clearly
drafting him at number eight overall, like they did, you

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know last year, they liked t J. Hockinson. And if
you're gonna look like if you're late in your draft
and you're you're taking that whole streaming tight end approach
and you want to grab someone that has potentially like
top eight upside with one of your final picks. Tja
Hockinson fits the bill. Yeah, I don't know, man. Here,
I just keep having flashbacks of Eric Ebron, who was
drafting the top ten as well, and then week year

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one he did nothing, Year two he did nothing, year three,
year four, he did nothing. He finally broke out in
year five. And this is how it tends to go
with these tight ends. But Hawkinson, man, you remember week
one last year, all of the Hawks Hawkinson truthers were like,
we were right, Sue Tags and then he did nothing.
I don't know, but he's got it. He's got a

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lot of talent. I could totally see it, man, especially
in this offense. I think that's a good call. Buddy. Yeah,
I mean I hope. So I've got another second year
tight end. He's my only tight end, and actually have
another tight end two. But this tight end IRV Smith,
it's the same kind of thing. It's like, Okay, after
Adam Thieland and maybe justin Jefferson if he's ready, who

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else do they have to throw to? Nobody? I mean,
I know Kyle Rudolph is still there too, But when
you watched derv Smith on the field last year. He's
a superior talent to Kyle Rudolf. He's going to take
over this year, and I'm saying he might be the
number two receiver in this offense. It's possible, But I'm
if they're creative enough, like I think that they're like
a no nonsense approach like Zimmerwatch to play good defense.

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And who's gonna call plays for them this year? Get mean,
Kubiak's the guy. He's gonna be calling the plays and
he wants to run the football. Now, granted, they're not
gonna run the ball as much as they did last year.
They're not going to throw the ball fewer than four
hundred and fifty times like they did last year. Like
there was a whole lot of reasons because Kirk Cousins
was extremely efficient, Dalvin Cook was ridiculous. The defense was decent,

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but that defense is kind of going through some growing
pains and like flipping over. So I do inticipate more
pass attempts. But the question is is like Kyle Rudolph,
if he's still there, I think he just crushes the
potential upside. If Rudolph wasn't there, I'd say er Smith.
I'm in like, I think the talent's there. Obviously last
year he proved that he could play in the NFL,
they're short unpassing options. But if Kyle Rudolph still on

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the field and they're still paying that guy four years
thirty six million dollars, sure he's gonna be on the field.
And that's the problem with IRB Smith is that with
Rudolf there, I don't know how much upside he has.
I would rather take someone like Hackinson obviously, just because
he's the guy. So that's my Issue's fair with him.
But if there's an injury to like or you know
how Rudolph missus time, or if he's scratched, you know,

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if Smith would be a guy that you'd be looking
to a stream for sure. I really love him for
Best Ball leagues because you're gonna have to draft two,
maybe three tight ends right now ECR twenty four. You're
not drafting him in a in a redraft one tight
end non premium league. I just think he's Waiverwah speed
dial type of guy. Like, if you see him getting
seventy five eighty percent of the targets in week one,

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you better pick up or Smith that's all I'm saying. Yeah,
for sure my other tight end, I'm just gonna keep
going here, tes so we can get rid of the
tight ends and then we'll move along to h I
think you've got a couple more running backs left. I'm
gonna go with Eric Ebron ECR twenty. I mean, let's
not forget just how incredibly he was in twenty eighteen.
I believe he was the number three Fantasy football tight end,
and the last year he was playing hurt. He's with

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Big Ben coming back this year through six hundred and
seventy five passes the last time that we saw him.
Antonio Brown's gone. I guess that he was gone last
year too, but Juju Smith Schuster's there. Besides that, we've
got some question marks about James Washington Deontay Johnson. I
know a lot of people are excited about one or
the other, but there's a chance Eric Ebron ends up
with close to the ninety targets that he averaged from

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twenty sixteen to twenty eighteen. And remember, this is a
twenty seven year old tight end, which is when tight
ends their prime hits. It's not like a running back
where it's twenty three, twenty four. He's a twenty seven
year old tight end who was formerly draft in the
top ten. So here's my issue with the Ebron And
I thought a lot about this, and I actually predicted
Ebron to the Steelers in free agency because I thought

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it made sense from a salary standpoint. He was gonna
come cheap, and he did come cheap. But they run
a lot of three wide receiver sets. Okay, like tons,
that's why you're gonna have Juju Smith Schuster back in
the slot this year. Because they run three wide receiver sets.
You're gonna have Deontay Johnson and then James Washington or
Chase Claypool and then you're gonna have Juju in the slot.
All right, So that means you're gonna have a one
running back, one tight end. And Eric Ebron canat block

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to save his life. He really can't. Like that's that's
a known fact. Heath Miller. Going back to Heath Miller
with the Steelers, they need him to block Vans McDonald.
Is he a good blocker, not necessarily a good blocker,
but he's better than Eric Ebron. They kept him on
the roster. They actually gave him a one year extension
to keep him on the roster. So I was like, Okay,
Vans McDonald is going to play, He's going to be
more of a blocker. So it's almost like they need

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to go with a zero running back set in order
to get eric Y Brown the field or trust him
as a blocker, or because when he comes in the field, opponents, no,
he's not staying in the block. That's just not what
Ericy Broun's gonna do. So I think they're gonna need
to get creative and ways to use him. And if
he's not a full time player, I don't think I
really want to draft him. I believe me. When it
first happened, I thought about the appeal and then I

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started breaking it down and saying, wait, when's this guy
gonna get on the field. And it might be more
of a jet thing for them, just because the Steelers
are a team that they saw last year. When you
lose some of those important positions, how important that depth is,
especially if you want to be a super Bowl contender.
And this team basically has what a two year window
to win a super Bowl. I mean, Roethlisberger's close to
the end, and if he comes back strong, they need
depth on their roster and Eric Ebron he's better than

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Vans McDonald. But at the same time, his inability to
block is what scares me them. I don't think they
have any chance to win the Super Bowl. Man. I
mean this, this defense is incredible. But yeah, do you
remember a big Ben two years ago? He was awful? Man?
Did he lead the league in passing yards? Yeah? He
had threw six hundred and seventy five pass If Jacobe
precept through six hundred and seventy five passes, he'd lead

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the league in passing yards. He had some great weapons too,
with Antonio Brown and Jiuju Smith Schuster, but he was
he was a dog turn out there. Man, he was bad. Sorry,
Steelers fans, I mean, I love your defense. It's the
best in all of football. But I think I'm worried
about it. They're rooting for Roethlisberger to return to the
player he was because that at least gives him a chance. Sure,

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I don't know, man, Maybe it happens, Maybe I'm wrong.
I I'll give you guys a little sliver able. Not
that you guys care when I say he probably hate me.
Right now, you're on following me on Twitter, but I'm
not seeing it all right? Tags, who's your next one?
Do you have a couple more running back you want
to list? And then will I go. I'm gonna go
with my tight end real quick. I'm gonna throw another
tight down on there. And Sydon Hurst, you know, we've
talked about him quite a bit on this podcast. And

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if you guys don't know, hayden Hurst is now a
member of the Atlanta Falcons. Austin Hooper's gone, and they
never replaced Mohammed Sanu in the offense, who was getting
ninety six to ninety eight targets on the team. You know,
Russell Gage is not a guy that's gonna see a
whole lot of targets. We had Austin Hooper who basically
saw a hundred targets last year while missing three games
this it's it's a big role in this dirt cutter offense.

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And if we're anticipating Matt Ryan to throw the ball
six hundred and twenty plus times, these targets have to
go somewhere and don't And them treating a second round
pick for hayden Hurst tells me all I need to
know how they feel about him. In terms of like
skill level, they have no one else in the roster
that's even close to his skill level. Don't think that
Hayden Hurst is bad just because he played behind Mark Andrews,
who happens to be like one of the most ridiculous
tight ends in the league. A guy at twenty four

(38:41):
years old finishes the number four fantasy tight end, it's
kind of ridiculous. So he was really good at football,
Hayden Hurst, It's just he was playing behind one of
the best in football. It's like saying that, you know,
Aaron Hernandez wasn't good at football because he was playing
behind Gronk. You know, like if they have their own opportunity,
they're gonna they're gonna score fantasy points. And Hayden Hurst,
he's going right now, is the fourteenth tight end off
the board. That's stupid. Like I don't say this very often,

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but that is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Because
you have guys like Austin Hooper, guys like Noah Fans
going in front of him, like Mike GISICKI, Like, what
is the upside of those guys? Like, really, no Ah
Fan is a guy who saw sixty six targets last year,
playing all sixteen games. Now he has a ton of
talent surrounding him with Jerry Judy, kJ Hamler, Melvin Gordon,
Mike Gissicki, a guy who's been extremely inefficient throughout his career. Yes,

(39:25):
he has a new head coach, but it's still a
bad football team that's not going to score a whole
lot of touchdowns. Austin Hooper might be lucky to see
sixty targets. So like, this is one of those things
where it's not unbold for me to say that Hayden
Hurst is going to finish ahead of all those guys.
He's going to crush those guys. Yeah, Mike Cassicki has
been unbelievably inefficient. Preston Williams is coming back as well.
I don't think they're gonna throw the ball near as

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much as they did last season. I don't understand drafting him.
Austin Hooper, I can maybe get he was really dang
good last year, But Hayden Hurst, this is super interesting text.
I love looking at this. Okay, you've got ADP, the
average draft position, You've got ECR, the X for consensus rank,
and typically when you see players that are much higher
in the expert consensus race a rank than the general
public's ADP. That's really telling, right, that maybe the public

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is missing out on something. There is no bigger gap,
not even close than Hayden Hurst ADP tight end fourteen,
ECR tight end nine tags. Everyone agrees this is a
good pick. Yep, I have him a ten end seven.
So getting him in like the ninth round is like
the best. It's awesome. Ye all right? So you went
with your tight ends. I'll move us on over to

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quarterback here. Do you have any quarterbacks? I don't on
my list. I've got no quarterbacks. You've got a couple
more running backs, so I'll go quarterbacks. I'll go both
of them out of the way. You finished with your
running backs, and then we'll end the show with wide receivers.
Has that sound sounds good? All right? Number one is
you remember how running backs for a fantasy football cheat code? Well,
you know what else is a fantasy football cheat code?
Hey guys, you remember how Jamis Winston finishes the number

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two fantasy football quarterback last season? It's because he threw
the ball, so dang much, man partner, Minshew the Jacksonville
Jags are going to be playing from behind all season.
They have one of the worst defenses in the NFL,
maybe the worst. Gardner Minshew might throw the ball six
hundred times. He's got no competition for his job, and
guess what, he runs the heck out of the ball too.

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He was the number two scrambler in football last year
and he didn't even play the full season. It's a
quality fantasy football player. I'm not saying he's a franchise
piece that you build around. Maybe he'll be one of
these guys that get shuffled around as a starter from
team to team here and there. But from a fantasy
football perspective, I think Gardner Minshew tags as sneaky upside.
So I my question to you would be what is upside?

(41:36):
Because like it is a top twelve I'm talking about
for a two quarterback league. I'm not saying that he
can finish. Yeah, I think he has a chance to
finish top ten. Man, I don't think that that's his upside.
I think that he could finish in that QB thirteen
to fifteen range. I think that's probably where I say,
because do we anticipate them finishing inside the top twenty
four scoring offenses. No, man, that's not happening. Okay, so here,

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So here's here's a statu. I'm a Jags fan. That's
not happening. So Bob, here's my Here's here's a stat
I have for you over the last so over the
last seven years now, and this goes back, there have
been ninety six quarterbacks to finish top twelve. No quarterback
none has come from an offense that was not a
top twenty four offense in terms of fantasy points per

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game over the last seven years. So therefore, it's it's
impossible unless the Jags offense finished his top twenty four
in scoring, which I don't think any of us project.
So therefore, but I do want to say that I
do believe that Gardner Minshew is a fantastic, fantastic quarterback
to have in two quarterback leagues. He has zero percent
chance of losing his job. As you've mentioned, he's got

(42:42):
some mobility, he has rushing upside. So that rushing upside
is what could potentially carry him, you know, maybe borderline
top twelve, you know, because he didn't score any rushing
touchdowns last year. He rushed for like three four hundred
yards and he didn't have a single touchdown, and he
had two rushing touchdowns. He would have outscored per game.
Carson went, it's Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, It's crazy. Gardner

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Minshew was dang good last year. It really was. He
was reliable, too consistent. So, Bobby, you said this take
a long time ago, and people were mad at you
about it. But I do want to say this, in
terms of the situation they were put into and what
they did last year, Gardner Minshew should have been Rookie
of the Year over Kyler Murray. If you want to
literally compare quarterbacks only, I think it should have been

(43:23):
Josh Jacobs personally interesting. But yeah, I'm not gonna go
I'm not saying that Kyle he's better than Kyler Murray.
What I'm saying is that if you take everything in
a vacuum and say, what was the what were the expectations,
and you know, what were you thrown into? The Jags
are terrible, Okay, but Gardner Minshew made them a competitive
team last year and his numbers back that up that

(43:44):
he was in fact statistically better than Kyler Murley. It's crazy, dude,
You're right, it's crazy. He's a lot of fun. I
hope he does well in fantasy football. And here's my
other one tags And this is going to make people
upset because they're gonna be like, hold on a second,
you idiot, there's no possible way. But did you know
that in the games Ryan Fitzpatrick started, he was the

(44:04):
number three fantasy football quarterback. Thousand weeks from the time
he took over, he was number two in passing yards
behind Jamis Winston. If you throw the ball a lot
and you're a d Gaff quarterback, it doesn't matter how
good you are, it doesn't matter how many interceptions you throw.
You're gonna pile up the yards. You're gonna pile up
the touchdowns. And keep in mind he had DeVante Parker

(44:24):
last year and nobody else. If he can hold off
to a who mind you, it's coming off a major
injury and he's just not anywhere near as polished as
Joe Burrow. If Ryan Fitzpatrick plays the full season, tags
you see the favorite to lead the NFL and passing yards. No,
I wouldn't go that far. I think the defense in
Miami got a lot better this offseason, like they If

(44:47):
if Zavian Howard does not get suspended, which I really
see no way that he doesn't. But it's weird. This
has got buried so much. Like I talked to people
that I don't know what you're talking about, man, exactly.
That's there's people that work in the industry. That's sort
of what happened. All I want you to do is
type in Xavian Howard into Google and arrested and it's
not good. It's not pretty. It's a domestic thing that
there's no there's no questions whether or not he did something.

(45:09):
He absolutely did, so I'm waiting for that to come down.
It's just this offseason has been so weird. Everything is
kind of getting buried. But Zavian Howard is probably facing
a suspension. But if he's not suspended for whatever reason,
Xavian Howard, Byron Jones and uh Noah Igmanogamy like the
first round pick that they took this year. Suddenly their
cornerback unit is really good. The they basically brought in

(45:31):
the Patriots to their defense. They did that. They drafted
Raekwon Davis, who was one of my favorites. Um so
there's like a lot of improvement on the defensive side
of the ball, and that team got better as the
year went on. So again, this is another one of
those things where it's like I can't. I'm not gonna
sit here and say that the Dolphins are gonna be
a high scoring team. So, but, Bobby, in two quarterback leads,

(45:51):
do you think it's a strategy to do things like
this to say I'm gonna grab Ryan Fitzpatrick Antua or
I'm gonna take Nick Foles and Mitch tru Ski because
you're going to get a QB two every single week
in two quarterback leagues. Absolutely, I think that makes a
lot of sense. Man. Yeah, that's that's where I'm at.
I'm starting to think about stuff like that, like Tyrod
Taylor and Justin Herbert. For the cost. It's almost like
all I want is a starter for that second quarters

(46:13):
back spot. It's all really care about. Exactly. Yep, I
agree with that. Let's move on to your other running
backs and then we'll luck close out the show with
wide receivers. Buddy, I've got four of them. Nice, all right, Yeah,
I got three receivers my two running backs. I'm gonna
mention right now we've talked about him a lot. Clyde
Edwards Hilaire and Ronald Jones. These guys. If you're drafting
for pure upside, these are your dudes. Clyde Edwards Hilaire
legitimately has top five running back upside, legit like it's real.

(46:36):
Now doesn't happen right away. I don't know, it's tough
to say, but if you're drafting for upside, he's there.
And then Ronald Jones it was announced yesterday that he's
expected to have the starting running back job. It kind
of pisses me off because Ronald Jones has been like
a guy that people were sleeping on and I didn't
really understand the love affair with you know, Keyshawn Vaughn.
I just didn't get it. But either way, Ronald Jones
now is expected to be the starter. But if he

(46:57):
retains that starting job, there is some risk involved. Ronald Jones,
for sure, I'm not gonna say there's not. But in
terms of like where he's being drafted is like the
RB thirty eight or something like that. I mean, the
dude has legitimate top twelve upside because he's playing in
a Tom Brady lad offense that's going to score a
ton of points, all right, I agree with that one, man.
I agree with both of them, definitely one. And we've
talked about Ronald Jones a ton you want to go

(47:19):
wide receiver? Now I do, and I'm gonna bring up
the first one. I'm gonna. I'm like mad about it,
and I don't know why I'm mad about it. I
get mad about stupid things sometimes. But Tyler Boyd, why
is he going outside? He's like basically a back end
wide receiver three and where he's being drafted right now?
He fell outside the top thirty and I was like,
what is happening? And he's at thirty outside, he's at
thirty three right now? What's his upside? I mean, the

(47:40):
dude has finishes the top twenty four wide receiver each
of the last two years, and he's going to the
best quarterback of his career. You're drafting him a little
bit above his ceiling. I'm sorry, a little bit behind
his ceiling. No no no, no, no no. But that's like
he's not gonna finish top twenty, man, I disagree with you.
I think that that's very possibly finish the top twente
and I think it's possibly finish. So AJ Green is
someone that's so many people have given me so much

(48:01):
crap for right, Everybody's like, why do you keep going
with Aja Green? Well? Because he's really freaking good at football,
But his ADP suggests that people are worried about him
because he's going as like the wide receiver twenty eight.
So you're really hardy both. You can't be both. You
can't fade AJ Green and Tyler Boyd one of these
guys exactly. That's my point, Bobby, is that so many
people are ignoring the fact that Tyler Boyd is really

(48:22):
friggin good. And by the way, he just he's the
one who has experienced in his offense. Right, he practiced
last year like he was in the offense the first
year in that offense he saw one hundred and forty
seven targets. One hundred forty seven targets. So if you don't,
I mean, if you believe in AJ Green, cool, And
if you're saying that Tyler boy if AJ Green plays
all sixteen games, Tyler Boyd belongs in the wide receiver

(48:43):
three conversation, That's fine. I understand why he'd go right
around wide receiver thirty. That's where I'd say, But if
AJ Green misses any time at all, Tyler Boyd is
justin Jefferson to Joe Burrow kind of. I mean, here's
the thing. Tags he'd didn't have AJ Green last year,
and I get it. Joe Burrows an upgrade, no doubt
about it. He didn't have AJ Green last year. Do
you know how many times they passed the freaking ball

(49:04):
last year? Oh he wasn't efficient either, dude. Like Tyler
Boyd was not crazy efficient last year. He was actually
like opposite finished wide receiver twenty three overall, but in
terms of fantasy points per game number thirty one, Man,
he was behind Sterling Shepherd, Golden Tate, John Brown, Marvin Jones.
That's not exciting to me. Man, that was without AJ
Green AJ Green's back. Dude, Well right, and that's what

(49:26):
I'm saying Boyd. So if Green is like healthy all
the time, yes, Boyd is one hundred percent just a
wide receiver three, that's fine. But then that tells What
that tells me is that people are not making up
their mind here. They're missing value somewhere, and I think
Boyd presents that upside. And by the way, if you
go back to twenty eighteen, when AJ Green was in
the lineup, Tyler Boyd actually had better stats. Now again

(49:47):
that was with Dalton, it was with a different coach,
so I don't want to harp on that. But what
I'm saying is that he may actually benefit from AJ
Green's presence because well, AJ Green just demands attention, So
that's true. Yeah, Boyd is so good at running into
space two when the quarterbacks in trouble, for sure. I
don't know if there is a single player in the
league who's better at running into space than Tyler Boyd
and finding an opening. And he's a big He's a

(50:08):
big slot receiver. That's why I think Justine Justin Jefferson's
a perfect comp for him, because it's like, you know,
Tyler Boyd six two, two hundred and three pounds, Jefferson
was that guy. Jefferson's faster, not a monster. He's not
particularly yards after the catch type of guy like Boyd
has been. But Boyd had been improving every year and
now has the best quarterback of his career and has
experienced in the offense, whereas AJ Green this will be

(50:28):
his first game in this this Zack Taylor offense. So
I mean, yeah, again, if if Green's healthy, Boyd is
still a wide receiver three, which I haven't read around.
I'd say read around Wide receiver thirty is where he
should go if Green is healthy the entire season. But
if you're doubting AJ Green, you need to move Tyler
Boyd up your draft board tags from my first wide receiver.
What if I told you that there is a wide

(50:50):
receiver in the games he started, he was a top
ten fantasy wide receiver, and then he came back for
the NFL playoffs and he was the number one receiving
option for the best quarterback in football? Do you know
how I'm talking about the best quarterback in football? Who's
the best quarterback in football? It's the second best quarterback

(51:10):
in football. Everyone everyone knew I was talking about Patrick Mahomes.
I like Russell Wilson a little bit better, but their
neck and neck, right, Patrick Mahomes best wide receiver in
the playoffs. Sammy Watkins tags and when he played, he
was awesome last year because he got so many targets.
You know, wide receiver five tags. What's his upside? This

(51:34):
isn't the days when we're drafting Sammy Watkins in the
third or fourth round. Former top five pick. Mind you, no,
it is. We're drafting him in the last round. Man,
you can get Sammy Watkins, who led the Chiefs in
receiving yards last year in the playoffs. Well, if you
were to basically take names out of the equation, can
you say we have the best quarterback maybe of all time?

(51:55):
Right and right, sure, right it's Patrick Mahomes, right, like whatever,
say the best or back out there, and you're anticipating
in to throw for forty plus touchdowns forty five maybe,
I think I think touchdowns are gonna actually be like
much higher this year. If you go back to like
the last time the NFL had any verty any sort
of no offseason, Um, it was like over like ten

(52:16):
years ago. UM, quarterbacks through for tons of yardage tons.
And I think Mahomes. I think defenses suffer more than
offenses due um so Mahomes. If you're anticipating that and
you take the names out of the equation and say, hey,
you're gonna get a full time wide receiver in this
guy's offense, a guy that is the number two option
the offense. If you go by targets, there's no way
target snaps, whatever metric you want to do he's the

(52:38):
number two wide receiver in this offense behind Tyreek Hill. Well,
he's well, right, I mean he's tight end, but wide receiver. Yeah,
but either way, so I regardless Mahomes is gonna support
three guys maybe no, right, but people are drafting Mikol
Hardman like he's gonna overtake Sammy Watkins if he doesn't.
And Miko Hardman wasn't he used a lot in college either,

(52:58):
And Andy Reid didn't you him a lot last year
despite Tyreek Hill missing quite a bit of time, despite
DeMarcus Robinson just being bad. So I'm not necessar, I'm
not convinced. I think Sammy Watkins is still the number
two on this offense and getting him where you are
it is well worth a darth Row just saying, you
know what, I will take him, especially like a best
ball format. Yeah, Sammy Watkins is like a no brainer

(53:19):
for me. So yeah, where he's going is the wide
receiver fifty Yeah, I'll take him. I thought you were
going to push back on this one, man. I'm glad
to have you on board Sammy Watkins and Corey Davis
for the win. All right, sir, Corey Davis have a
little bit of DeVante Parker to him. He has so
much Devanta Parker to him. Man, Yeah, he does extremely

(53:39):
talented wide receivers that it just didn't go h like
DeVante Parker. People hated him for a lot of reasons,
but a lot of reasons. We're playing for Adam Gaze.
But Corey Davis, he's a dude that I'm buying in Dynasty.
He's a lot cheaper than it used to be, but
I'm still buying him. All right, tags each got two
more wide receivers. Why don't you give us one. I'll
give my final two and then you can close this.
Marky's Brown, I mean I think that that's I mean,

(54:00):
what's his upside. I don't think he has wide receiver
one upside. I think that he I think it's like
a DeShawn Jackson type player where he can be a
high end wide receiver two that is going to give
you some some really really big boom weeks just because
they don't throw the ball a whole lot there. But
Marquis Brown, coming off the foot surgery last year, if
you want pure upside, understand that this dude can carry
you like as your wide receiver three which is where

(54:21):
he's being drafted, and that right now he's currently the
wide receiver thirty two right in front of Tyler Boyd
massive upside. It's like Will Fuller type upside that you're
getting at the wide receiver thirty two and a guy
that is playing with Amar Jackson, who was obviously phenomenal
last year, and a guy who can buy time in
the pocket and keep looking downfield for someone like Marquis Brown.
So if you're drafting for upside, Marcus Brown's got it.

(54:43):
You know, Marquis Brown, you said he might have wide
receiver two upside because he's like Deshan Jackson. Tags Deshaun
Jackson's second year in the league, he was the Fantasy
Football wide receiver for Buddy Wow. But I don't think
anybody really wanted to play him as a wide receiver
one though, because he was so up and down. But
that's it's like the same thing with Tyreek Hill though,
I mean exactly, yeah, this is like a Tyreek Hill light.

(55:05):
You know It's crazy is that people are gonna be
shocked by this stat when I come out with it.
It's gonna be the first week of August. It's gonna
be the Boom, Bust and everything in between. Series, Tyreek
Hill has finished as a wide receiver two or better
in just forty four percent of his games. What that's
it drafting him as the wide receiver? Man, it's I mean,
it's not really that bad. But no, you know who's
it's no who it's a Zach sam Ass, t Y

(55:28):
Hilton for his career. Really, Sefon Diggs is point two
percent higher for his career. Were some other guys in
that range. So you have Juju Smith, Schuster, which coming
off bed, you're DeShawn Jackson, h Kenny Galladay, Steve Smith like.
So they're good receivers, but they're not guys who are
legitimately they're not the top end ones like AJ Green
has been a wide receiver too, are better in fifty
nine percent of his career. That's man, that's that's literally

(55:50):
the fifth best number that I have since two thousand? Like,
are we really drafting Tyreek Hill over Chris Godwin? People
are taking him over Julio Jones And it blows my mind.
Oh oh what Tyry Hills ADP three for wide receivers
by comparison guys, Julio Jones has been a wide receiver
one forty two point four percent. Oh man, what a
stat Dude, so good. He's amazing. He's do you think

(56:13):
he's the best wide receiver in football? Still, he's the
best wide receiver I've watched. I mean, I loved Calvin
Johnson when he played. He was a different type of
wide receiver. But Julio Jones is a specimen um. And
that's the best way to put it. Like he's a
he's an alien, Like he's a guy you're not supposed
to be built like he is, And I just I
admire it. And it's like there's certain people you're just
watching you admire, like wow, like you're six three, two

(56:34):
hundred and twenty pounds, dude, Like you're you're not supposed
to be that fast and move that sharp, you know
what I mean. It's like it's like Calvin Ridley but
five inches dollar, you know what, like four inches something
like that. But still, he's he's just ridiculous. All Right.
I got two more names, um man. I can't believe
Terry Hills going number three, dude, that's nuts. All right.
My other two names you just mentioned him Devanta Parker,

(56:56):
DeVante Parker. Guys after Preston Williams went down, was the
number are two Fantasy football wide receiver. Now Williams is
coming back, he's coming off a pretty major injury. But
Parker was amazing, man, and he's got Ryan Fitzpatrick chuck
into the ball now. He started slow because Josh Rosen
was the starter for the first four weeks, but once
Fitzpatrick took over with his d gaff attitude, it was

(57:18):
all Devonte Parker man. And he's going like wide receiver
twenty right now for someone twenty three, for someone who
already showed us he can be a top five Fantasy
football wide receiver. Parker, I mean it was. It was
kind of remarkable what he did last year. A guy
that we always believed in. I didn't think that he
would show a ceiling of like you know where he
did finish. But I'm happy for him and now at

(57:39):
the same time, the changing of the offense is a
big deal. Chan Gailey has favored guys over the middle
of the field, like slot receivers, and that's why a
lot of people are predicting a breakout for Mike Gissicki
because they're saying, well, he's not a tight end and
he's a slot receiver. Well, I mean, Albert Wilson's technically
their slot receiver. Are they gonna use Gassicki in that role?
I mean they're again they're throwing out last year numbers

(58:00):
that he was in the slot this much. Albert Wilson
was hurt. It was a different offense. Like, we don't
know how they're going to use these players. But if
there is one consistent factor here, it's that DeVante Parker
is still on the team. He's valuable and I said
that I'm going to move him up my draft board
if Ryan Fitzpatrick is starting, and it seems right now
very likely that it's gonna be Ryan Fitzpatrick because you know,
with no preseason games, a lot of these rookies, they're

(58:22):
going to be shoved down like that. You can't rush
those guys into action. It can it can actually ruin
them as a quarterback, and you don't want to do that,
especially with someone like to us. So yeah, I mean
I like DeVante Parker quite a bit. Here's a couple
of guys he finished better than in Fantasy football last year,
Amari Cooper, Mike Evans, DeAndre Hopkins. He was one fantasy
point behind Julio Jones tags we're drafting and wide receiver

(58:43):
twenty three. That's pretty crazy. I mean, I know people
are talking about Preston Williams coming back, and Preston Williams
for the record, Preston Williams did a lot of his
damage when Josh Rosen was the quarterback. So apparently there's
a connection between those two. And it makes sense because
again it goes back to the whole Ryan Tannehill AJ
Brown connect that those guys were working with the backups
because as you guys know, A. J. Brown was not

(59:04):
a starter when the year began, so he wasn't playing
with Mariota whereas Corey Davis was. Things can flip flop
a little bit. So I am I temper expectations on
Parker because it is still a very bad football team
and my I don't want to say it very bad,
it's still a below average team in Miami. So that's
why I'm tempering expectations a little bit. But getting him
as like a back end wide receiver too, I'm good

(59:25):
with that. Yeah. So what I'm saying is, are you
I'm tempering expectation too, but enough to drop him from
wide receiver six to wide receiver twenty three. Couldn't it
be me? Um, let me see where exactly. I want
to see exactly where I have him, because again I
said I would move him up and I haven't moved
him up yet because I don't know I am at
wide receiver twenty four. I mean because the guys that
I'm taking ahead of him are guys like DK Metcalf,

(59:47):
DJ Chark, AJ Green. Those are the guys I'm taking
over him, and he's in that tier, you know what
I mean. Yeah, I think he's ahead of Metcalf, but
I understand the fascination with Mattcalf for sure. I got
one more player. It's Michael Gallup. And I know a
lot of people are like, hold on a second. They
got Amari Cooper, they just drafted CD Lamb. Michael Gallup

(01:00:07):
has upside, Guys. This was the best offense in football
last year in terms of yards per play, better than
the Chiefs, better than the Ravens. I'm throwing this one
in there because a lot of people don't realize this.
Since Ryan Tannehill took over, the Titans led the league
in points per game, better than the Titans in terms
of yards yards per play run and then they added

(01:00:28):
ceedee lamb. Somebody in this offense is going to explode.
Deck Prescott is going to go nuts. And guess what.
Amari Cooper last year ten point five fantasy points per game.
Michael Gallop last year ten point five fantasy points per
game in his second year. He's a third year wide receiver.
Is it possible that he's the number one wide receiver
for the Dallas Cowboys? He is so dang good man.

(01:00:51):
Amari Cooper is amazing and Michael Gallup was right there
with him last year. Oh well, this is like a
this is like a cause and effect thing where Amari
Cooper is a great football player, Michael Gallup is a
really good football player. Michael Gallup benefits from Amari Cooper.
If if Amari Cooper was not on the team, Michael
Gallup wouldn't be as efficient as he is. And this
is coming. It's so weird that I've become someone who's

(01:01:13):
known as like a Michael Gallup hater because I loved Gallup.
And if you go back, fortunately the Internet allows you
to do these things, you can start scouting report on
Michael Gallup. I loved Gallup. Coming out of school, and
I felt like he was kind of put into a
bad spot because of his quarterback play that he had,
and so to see him bloom it made me so happy,
Like I like the player, And obviously I was worried
about Ceedee Lamb coming in, but after I sat down

(01:01:35):
and did projections, it's not as bad as people think.
So I actually project Gallop in between right one hundred
hundred and ten targets so he can get there is
a wide receiver three and if he keeps up that
high yards per reception and gets a couple more touchdowns,
he absolutely has upside here. And if Ceedee Lamb doesn't
turn into the player that the Cowboys were hoping, and
it's possible, there's a there's a learning curve for him
coming from like a school that the cornerbacks that Ceedee

(01:01:57):
Lamb played sucked, they were terrible, So Seedy Lamb might
have a bit more growing pains than someone like Jerry
Judy come from Alabama. So if that happens, Michael Gallup
has already proven that he can get it done. So
Lamb is more of Randall Cobb's replacement than anything. To me.
So Gallup, Yeah, I dig it. Are you drafting Tyler
Boyd over Michael Gallup? Tags? Um? Probably? All right, we

(01:02:19):
might need a bet on this one too, because I'm
I'm all in on Gallup this year. I I mean,
I like Michael Gallup. I'll take Boyd over him. Yeah, yeah,
thinking about it for a moment, Yeah, I'll take Boyd.
All right? Well, Tags, you got one more name finish
off the show. Who do you have for us? Buddy?
All right? Well, we mentioned him already in his DK Metcalf.
If you want a draft upside like, you're gonna have
to pay for it, because all of a sudden, I mean,
he's moving up. He's number twenty two wide receiver. I

(01:02:42):
have him is my number twenty one wide receiver, so
I understand why I'm pretty close to that. But if
you are drafting for upside, he's got it. If they
do not sign Josh Gordon, who they've apparently been looking into.
If they signed Gordon, I'm gonna lower expectations. But DK
Metcalf guy who came into the league, had very low
expectations early in his career because he was he ran
a limited route tree, he was played in the run

(01:03:03):
first offense. You know he had a knee scope in preseason.
He literally played one preseason game, got hurt, have to
have a nie scope. They didn't know if he'd be
ready for Week one. But yet he posts sixty plus
yards or more than sixty yards, and I think it
was nine of his games last year that ranked eleventh
among wide receivers. He went on to break the rookie
record in the playoffs with one hundred and sixty yards

(01:03:24):
against the Packers. Like DK Metcalf is a really really
good football or not against the Packers was the Eagles
who was against But either way, DK Metcalf is a
physical specimen and on top of that, he's smart as hell.
You want to know why he's been working with Russell
Wilson this offseason. Those two were posting videos about them
working on like their corner end zone drills and things

(01:03:45):
like that to get DK Metcalf more, almost get those
those two more together on the same page when they're
in the red zone, which I mean Russell Wilson's always
efficient to his wide receivers in the red zone. So
just know that they're working together. It's smart on DK's part. Obviously,
the sky is the limit for him. Like, he absolutely
has a top ten wide receiver ceiling. Tyler Boyd is
or Tyler Lockett is a guy that's gonna be kind

(01:04:07):
of stuck in his role that he gets and that's fine.
He's still a wide receiver too. But DK Metcalf he
has legitimate top ten upside tags. I've got a question, man,
this is gonna sound crazy. I love Doug Baldwin. He
was awesome. Tyler Lockett's a great football player. Is Deacon
Metcalf the most talented wide receiver Russell Wilson's ever played
with um. I mean, Baldwin was super talented, but he

(01:04:29):
wasn't as big, right, Like it's it's the combination of
the speed, strength, hands like that. I mean you've said
it before. This could be that this generation's des Bryant. Yeah,
I mean, does was really good. I think people underestimate
what does was. I think Dka has a higher ceiling
than does ever did because DK is faster, he's bigger,
he's stronger. Was the number one overall pick and in

(01:04:51):
I'm sorry, in dynasty leagues. Yeah, wet three four years ago.
It was like town crazy to think, yeah that he was,
but yeah, he definitely was but but yeah, DK's ceiling
is actually higher and to know that he's playing with
Russell Wilson, I mean true, but yeah, if you're dusting
for Upside and you get DK as your wide receiver,
like even wide receiver two, I'm not mad about it.

(01:05:11):
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