2023 Rookie Rankings & Tiers: The Top Targets for Building Your Winning Dynasty Team (Ep. 1071)

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome in everybody to Fantasy Pros. This is the Fantasy
Football Podcast. This is me Joey p Joe Pizafia, and
today we're gonna take a look at the rookie rankings
and tears, the short term, the long term, the value
on the board in this rookie class, because we just
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Can follow him on Twitter at Pat Karane. Pat, thanks

(00:45):
for coming on the show. We are happy to have
you here today, joining myself and mister Andrew Erickson. I
want to get your take on the Lamar Jackson re
signing real quick if I can, because we kind of
touched on it draft night, when it all happened. We
are going to dove into it too much. What is
the effect in your mind of what the resigning of Lamar,
the draft that they just came away with a changeing

(01:06):
offensive coordinator. What does the offense of the Ravens look
like in twenty three.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
I'm excited about the Ravens. I think they hold potential
to be one of those teams that being really overweight
on was you know, extremely profitable Lamar going back, like
when you think back a couple of years to his
MVP season or a few years like, they were putting
up points. You know, it wasn't just about that the

(01:31):
you know, because we're going to get in the weeds
as projections start to roll out about how many pass
attempts you can project for them now. I think it's
probably a little bit more than before, but how many more,
et cetera, et cetera. But they were scoring points. And
I think if Lamar gets back to that form and
he could with you know, he just got paid, I
think that helps. He's got weapons now. I think it

(01:52):
probably the best weapons he's ever had. I think Zay
Flowers is pretty interesting. Rashaan Bateman coming back shot. I
think it was actually ver efficient last year on the
routes that he did run. Mark and yeah, yeah, no,
but I think that they're you know, potentially explosive offense.
And uh, right now, you can get Mark Andrews at

(02:15):
at a really nice value in Best Ball drafts, and
you know, he's obviously a pretty expensive asset in any
dynasty league, whether or not it's tight end premium. But uh,
this is one of the teams that I think has
some some real upside to it.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
Andrew I was on I was a guest yesterday of
the CBS podcast and they were asking me specifically, who
is the best fantasy receiver for the Ravens in twenty
twenty three, again not tight end but receiver, were not
pass catcher, but receiver specifically. What would be your answer
to that question?

Speaker 3 (02:44):
Whichever one I can get the latest in drafts, I
would do. It's definitely a cop out answer, but it's
between the three guys because you have two guys that
are first round picks or three guys at are first
round pis Although Beckrom Junior is obviously coming off the
in so you know, how good is he going to
be coming up an injury as an older player. This

(03:05):
isn't the first time he's torn his acl either Batman's
been hurt, but Baateman has shown to at least be
an elite efficiency producer when he's been on the field,
and Zay Flowers is a rookie. So I guess if
I had to pick one, I'd probably pick Baateman because
I've liked him a lot and I think it's really
just been the injuries that have been holding him back.
He's younger than Note Beckham junior, so you do assume
that he would come back from injuries stronger. But it

(03:27):
would not surprise me if Zay Flowers, who's really productive
at Boston College, comes out and in blazes in this offense.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
Yeah, Jay Flowers is certainly the wild card there. We're
going to get into him and a lot more of
these players here. Let's start though, at the quarterback spot here.
I want to talk about the different ranks in the
tiers here, So Ericson, in your opinion at the quarterback
spot from this rookie class, who is in the elite.

Speaker 3 (03:49):
Tier Anthony Richardson and I particularly don't think it's even close.
I think the other guys are like Way Down in
their own separate tiers than Richardson, just based on rushing
upside that he can pay down, rushing upside that he
can bring, and his landing spot, like his landing spot
is so much better than going to the Houston Texans
or the Carolina Panthers, not even just from like what

(04:10):
the personnel is from a receiver standpoint, from a running
back standpoint, from a coaching standpoint, I think it's all
there for him in Indianapolis versus Houston Carolina, where I
have way more question marks about the supporting casts.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
All right, that's fair. I mean Way is a big
that's a big spicy meatball there, Pat, What do you
think about that? Is richards in the standalone elite guy
in this class for you as well?

Speaker 2 (04:34):
I have him in his own tier. Even in my
super flex ranks, I have Jon and Anthony Richardson as
their own tier. I have ahead, right, But I would
say in super flex I don't really agree that there
is a big, big, big gap because you get the
I think with Bryce Young, certainly there's risk with the size,
but like the talent level and kind of just his

(04:56):
ability to play traditional quarterback, I'm pretty I'm a belief
in first overall pick in the draft. I think the
coaching staff is a good fit for him there as well.
He could end up being kind of on the higher
volume in terms of passing a couple of years down
the line, you know. So, I think it's like one
of these super flex assets where you're just very happy
to have this starting quarterback who's a very good real

(05:18):
life quarterback. I like Bryce Young's chances of giving you
that in one quarterback dynasty leagues. Yeah, I mean there's
no question it's Anthony Richardson. Bryce Young. You could tackle
on very cheaply, but Richardson is the guy who gives
you rushing upside. And I completely agree with Andrew about
the landing spot. I mean, the coaching is it's it's

(05:39):
gonna build an offense around what Richardson does. Well, you
know it's gonna They're not gonna be afraid to build
the offense around his rushing ability. They're not gonna be
afraid to utilize him at the goal line. We just
saw the rugby play with Jane Siken and the Eagles.
That's still legal. Somehow they didn't outlaw that.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
I don't know how it is for sure. As soon
as they had the meetings, I was like, well, that's
the first thing to go with the meetings this year.
But it wasn't.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
And now we get two hundred and forty pound Anthony
Richardson running it instead of Hurts. I mean, it's going
to be even more effect.

Speaker 1 (06:05):
You should hand it off to somebody else and like Richardson,
push the guy. That's what I think. There you go,
I'm really gonna get something there. Get Jonathan Taylor the
bull and just push. Yeah. So let's get to that
next year. Then, So in that next grouping, both of you,
I know, have CJ. Stroud and Bryce Young. You've got
Young head of Stroud. You're very confident in the football acumen,
as a lot of people are, as obviously the Carolina
Panthers are. I am concerned with the size, like that

(06:29):
is something that does concern me because he is playing
now it's like playing Georgia every week. You know, you're
playing with these much bigger, faster, stronger guys. So in
your opinion, you still feel like Bryce Young is still
ahead of Stroud. Why?

Speaker 2 (06:41):
Well, So one thing I like about Bryce Young is
you know he played better under pressure than Stroud, at
least in terms of the numbers that he put up
in college, and he scrambles. He scrambled a little bit
more than Stroud, which doesn't necessarily mean that he's going
to be like a runner. He's like too small to
really add anything as a runner at the NFL level.
But I he just kind of profiles as more of
a playmaker, and I'm worried that Stroud is going to

(07:04):
be more of like an executor, you know, just kind
of a he does what's asked of him, and he's
kind of in an offense where like that's probably what
they're looking for, you know, This Shanahan style offense is
going to be a little bit more like get the
ball out quickly. You know. I don't know that he's
going to be asked to run a lot. And that's
the big thing with Stroud. He didn't really run. We
know he can run, he did show that, but he

(07:25):
didn't really do it outside of that Georgia game. So
this is the kind of offense where I don't it
doesn't strike me that they're going to be all that
interested in utilizing him as like a true dual threat.
It's going to be more about execution. I think he's
gonna be good enough at that that he's probably going
to be more of a kind of a classic pocket passer.
I think Young, given the coaching pair that he's got,

(07:50):
it could ultimately evolve into more of a pass first offense,
where I think that that Shanahan style offense is probably
going to be tilted to the run, even if Stroud
is doing a good job executing the offense. So as
I just look ahead like a couple of years, it's
just easier for me to see Young becoming a high
volume passer. And both these guys have the profiles where
they need to be high volume passers to really make

(08:12):
a difference in fantasy.

Speaker 1 (08:14):
Ericson you've got them inverse? Tell me why?

Speaker 3 (08:17):
Well, I do think the size can bring it back
up again. I think that does matter when it comes
to Stroud versus Bryce Song. Stroud is built differently than
Bryce Soong. I think that makes it a better chance
for him to have a longer career in the NFL.

Speaker 4 (08:29):
He's going to get banged up a lot less.

Speaker 3 (08:31):
I think that offensively speaking, Look, Frank Reich, have we
really seen him develop a quarterback like he's worked with
a lot of these older players before I'm looking at
I'm looking at c J.

Speaker 1 (08:43):
Stroud here WHENZ count kinda for a little while. It
worked in what twenty sixteen, I think, I think the
twenty seventeen, right.

Speaker 3 (08:56):
I mean, look, he's had his hands and a couple
of different guys here and there. But look what we
saw last year Bobby Slowick, who is the new offensive
coordinator for the forty and for the Houston Texans excuse me,
formerly of the forty nine ers. We saw him dial
up a lot of great stuff for Brock Perdy and
you're won a seventh round pick.

Speaker 4 (09:12):
So now you're getting.

Speaker 3 (09:13):
A souped up version of Rock Perdy in c. J. Stroud,
who is much better across the board but is a
super accurate passer at all levels of the field. I
think that Stroud's got some untapped upside here in this offense.
When you look at two, I think that at Ohio State,
you know, it was a little bit easier for him
there where he's got all these all pro wide receivers

(09:34):
running around. It's like, why do I need to do
anything else? Like just throw it to the open guy.
It's like not that hard where now it's gonna be, Hey,
you're gonna have to do more because your receivers are
worse than they were in college at the NFL level.
So I think we're gonna see a little bit more
of CJ's job making, some more off script make playmaking.
I think it's gonna surprise people like what his final
stat line actually looks like and what he looks like

(09:55):
as an NFL passer versus a college pastor, because it's
not always like the same thing. You don't always get
the same exact player. This is what he was in
college is what he's gonna be the NFL, maybe not necessarily.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
Now you both have here in the upside category, Will Levison,
Hendon Hooker, You have him in that order, which kind
of surprises me just a little bit. I'm not a
big Will Levis guy. Apparently other teams in the NFL were,
and either I keep looking at the Hendon Hooker landing
spot Ericson as really good potentially where there's zero pressure
for him to play at all this year, maybe even
next year. But I understand he's twenty five, if I

(10:27):
get it, he's a little bit older. But for a
guy who just was just really good at playing quarterback
and didn't do anything on an elite level. He is
going into a situation here in Detroit where there's a
lot of positive pieces around him and a lot of
good momentum. So why Levis ahead of Hooker?

Speaker 3 (10:39):
For you, Andrew Well, I think that Levis has a
better chance of starting sooner.

Speaker 4 (10:44):
I think that that matters.

Speaker 3 (10:45):
You know, what's yourn You Can this player get his value?
Can he increase his value sooner rather than later? I
think that that does matter. Lewis also got much better
draft capital than Hendon Hooker, which lends itself to him
getting more opportunities. There's a clear window on path where
Ryan Tannel this is the last year of his contract, Like,
he's not going to be on the team next year
unless he signs for a very cheap deal.

Speaker 4 (11:06):
But at his age doesn't make a lot of sense.

Speaker 3 (11:07):
So Levis could not even do really that much next
year and still be the quarterback in twenty twenty four
for the Tennessee Titans, regardless of you know, depending on
how the things shike out with Malik Willis. So I
think from a can this guy becoming starting quarterback in
the NFL? Okay, I think that there's value in that,
Whereas the Lions are talking about extending Jared Goff, which
I do not know why they're trying to do that,

(11:28):
but I don't know they They did a lot of
things this past week that clearly if me questioning what
they're doing over in Detroit. But the thing with Levis
too is I'm not worried about his like mobility. Like
Henon Hooker's coming off at twenty ecl So even though
he didn't run a little bit at the college level,
he's coming off an injury. Usually we see quarterbacks so
they first come off injuries, they don't run as much well. Lewis, yes,

(11:49):
he was banged up last year, but two years ago
when he was fully healthy in the Lee and Cohne offense,
pro style offense, I mean, he was putting up like
Josh Allen type numbers, like he was super accurate. He's
run about a ton, and look at that Titans offense.
Who's he throwing the ball to. He's not going to
be throwing the ball too much, but he's gonna have
to run and make plays on his own. So I
think if Levis steps in, I think that we could

(12:09):
see some fantasy production from the get go, even it's
him just hey, I'm just going to take it and run.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
I actually considered not including Hooker in this tier because
I kind of view Levis as like basically a tier
ahead of hen and Hooker. I think there's a chance
that Ryan Tannahill isn't on the Titans this year, right,
he could get traded to the Falcons. You know, they
have no interest in Ryan Tannehill being their long term quarterback.

(12:36):
And Will Levis is gonna get starts for the Titans.
He probably gets some starts this year. They're not going
to be good. So you know, even if they keep Tannehill,
how long is he going to be starting this year?
I think this is a weird cell. But like I
think Will Levis is kind of bad, but that means
he's going to have to run around, you know, the
same argument about the wide receivers not being very good.
I don't think he's that good, but I think he's

(12:57):
going to have to use his size and mobility and
it's gonna that's gonna be sometimes fun for fantasy. And
we're getting the production sooner with Hooker. I mean, the
Lions are playing for now, right, and this is a
team their whole identity is like fight tooth and nail
for everything, you know, biting the kneecaps and all that.
This is not a team that's like shutting golf down,

(13:19):
you know, in week twelve and seeing what they have
in a rookie quarterback and playing for next year. That's
not this team's identity. And they're also probably too good
for that. I think they get the defense at least
a little sorted. Maybe, you know, they're like they are
already a fringe playoff team, and so yeah, the other
thing with Hooker is like, even if he was in
a situation where they wanted to get a look at him,

(13:40):
the big red flag with him is that he took
a ton of sacks. His pressured sack rate was really bad.
That's not gonna help, you know, it's not gonna be
helpful that he's coming off of twenty cl for that.
If that's already his weakness, his ability to evade the
pass rush is going to be a major problem. I
doubt he even sees the field this year.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
All right, So that's the breakdown of the QBS. Let's
go and talk about the running backs here that we
have potentially going forward now I have. I don't even
think it's going out on a limb. I've kind of
come out with my statement, you know, and I don't
care if people tell me I'm crazy, because they told
me I was crazy last year, and I said, Justin
Jefferson is the one one pick, and that's why I
took everywhere and where I could this year. I think
be Jon Robinson is the third overall player in redraft

(14:22):
in dynasty leagues, he's the first overall player in rookie drafts.
So I am obviously very bold and very secure with
b Jhon Robinson. You've got impact in that elite tier.
You've also got Jumior Gibbs as is Andrew Erickson, so
obviously two very different style players here. So tell me
about your thoughts on bijon your twenty twenty three expectations

(14:43):
and beyond, and then let's touch on Gibbs too and
see what he can do now that DeAndre Swift is
out of the picture in Detroit.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
I think the bar is going to move on what
counts for bold with Bijon, and it's going to move up.
So you're going to have to, you know.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
Frank, and line up to where I am or past me.

Speaker 2 (14:59):
I think past you may if you want to be bold.
If you want to be bold in September, you might
have to have one of two.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
I've got Jefferson Chase Bejeon. Everybody knows that's the order
right now.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
It's bold now. I don't know if that's bold in September,
because I think people are.

Speaker 1 (15:13):
When everybody else sketches up to me. Eventually it happens,
but whatever, they'll cut out. Let's talk about Bejon. I
hope so, because I think that's right. And I think
shows like this where we're ahead of the curve instead
of being the sheep out there like of all the
other shows are, We're like, oh, it's too risky. It's
not risky. Ezekiel Elliott was RB two his rookie season.
Saquon Barkley was RB two his rookie season, RB two
overall on a five win terrible team. So well, they're like,

(15:35):
well the Falcons aren't a good off.

Speaker 4 (15:36):
The ranking him RB one though, and those guys for
RB two.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
I'm ranking him RB one and they finished RB two.
Do you don't finished above Saquon that year? Todd Gurley,
who scored two hundred and seventy eight touchdowns that year. Okay,
so that's the context. Talk to me about Jon and
why he's so great, Pat.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
He's a great prospect. He is a very well rounded prospect.
He's not as big as Saquon Barkley was coming out,
but he offers a lot of the same kind of
like workhorse profile, but also the ability to catch passes.
He was highly elusive in college. He was a great
breakaway runner. He is sufficient athleticism. He was drafted by
a guy who wants to pound the rock. Uh, there's

(16:12):
really no reason not to be excited about b Jon Robinson.
I mean, I guess if we have to take them
ahead of Christian McCaffery and stuff, it gets the point
where you're like a little bit like, Okay, I really
you know, I can't have the Falcons be absolute trash
and I can't have this be any kind of a split.
But I don't think it's going to be a split.
I think he's gonna get a.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
Split with the eighth overall pick. He now, I really don't.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
I don't either, So I've you know, I was targeting
Beijon at the one two turn pre draft in Best
Ball Drafts you know, he's always been the one I
want a dynasty. There's never any kind of value play there.
But he's moving up into like the one of seven range.
Now I think he's a target, and I think he's
going to keep moving on. I think I think soon
he's gonna flip Kelsey in these drafts and be like

(16:53):
the one of six. But you know, Tyreek and Cup
aren't safe for long. I think he's just gonna keep
moving up.

Speaker 1 (17:00):
What about Gibbs here? Obviously without you know, DeAndre Swift
to muck things up, We've got a situation here. What's
your twenty twenty three expectation beyond for Gibbs here in
the landing spot?

Speaker 2 (17:10):
So I like Gibbs a lot, but he is one
hundred and ninety nine pounds, and they did just sign
David Montgomery and they were running like a true committee
last year. I mean, Justin Jackson was getting snaps like
they don't have any problem like splitting their running back
snaps up. Gibbs profiles as a guy like where even
if he's hitting this year, he's probably like a one
A to Montgomery's one B, and they could take a

(17:33):
while for him to do that. So I'm in this
awkward position where I really like Gibbs long term, but
I'm not sure I'm going to be overweight on him
this year in Best Ball drafts and stuff. But for dynasty,
I'm in. I think he offers you the potential for
like a year two breakout that is massive. You know,

(17:53):
he puts on a little weight, right he gets his
first NFL offseason, he's you know, you get you get
the stories that he's looking like, you know, the best
shape of his life stories, But it's like he's like
two oh five now, or he's two he's two o nine.
If he puts on ten pounds and heads into twenty
twenty four, and at that point, it's gonna be clear
to everyone that he's way more talented than David Montgomery.

(18:16):
He could hit the ground running. And I don't think
we're gonna get like a Christian McCaffrey level year two breakout.
That's obviously too much to hope for, but that he
he is an incredible pass catcher. The only major concern
is the weight. And you know, with the draft capital
that he had, if he can take care of that
and just put on a little bit, a little bit
of way entering next year, I think they're gonna lean
on him in a much bigger way.

Speaker 4 (18:37):
But this year.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
This year, it's a little thinner for sure.

Speaker 1 (18:40):
Ericson what are your thoughts on Gibbs here since we're
talking about him right now.

Speaker 3 (18:44):
Well, I think that the Detroit Lions, they look at
Gibbs and they're like, he's gonna be our Alvin Kamara,
like Dan Campbell spent a lot of time as assistant
head coach in the New Orleans Saints when Camara was
at the top of his game, So he's see what
these committees have looked like. Whether I mean in best
case scenario, you're looking at an offense that is putting
up Alvin Kamara mark Ingram type numbers as running backs.

(19:05):
Like I think that's what the Lions want to have
happened here. They're like, we want mark Ingram to be
Dave Montgomery. We want Mere had to.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
Be honest, they almost need to because they don't have
Jamison Williams for the first six games, have a rookie
tight end, like they're gonna need to run the football.
I don't think people quite realize that the first six
weeks of the season are going to be a little
rough for them in that regard.

Speaker 4 (19:22):
No, I think that makes a lot of sense.

Speaker 3 (19:23):
And the fact that Gibbs is obviously offering a lot
of value as a receiver. I mean, who's who's the
number two receiver behind Amamar Saint Brown? Like James Williams
has one career catch on his resume and he's suspended
for six games, Marvin Jones, Josh Reynolds, Like, are these
guys going to step up and actually earn targets in
this offense? Behind amamaras Saint br I know, like we
like Sam Laporta, Oh he's like good after the catch,

(19:45):
but he's still a rookie tight end like we.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
Didn't so it might be a little more.

Speaker 3 (19:50):
And it's not like Hawkinson, even when he was part
of this offense last year, It's like he was lighting
the world up on fire, except for that one game
where he just absolutely went nuclear. We saw games where
he totally did appear. So behind Saint Brown, yeah, I
think they're gonna have to lean on the ground game here.
And I think Gibbs, man, look when he went twelve overall,
it really kind of put everybody on notice, right WHOA Like,
nobody really saw this coming, and I think it's just

(20:12):
we want to embrace it here, Like we don't get
running backs drafted this high ever, so why are we
trying to fight it. It's like, let's embrace the fact
that this team loves this running back so much. He's
going to be as efficient as Deandra Swift was, except
the team likes him.

Speaker 4 (20:25):
So that's the way I look at it.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
Well, Eric Sonry gave a big Bejon take on the
other day show, so if you haven't heard that, you
can go listen back with was myself and Derek earlier
this week. The solid talent here at RB Ericson, you're
a little bit more forgiving than Pat, so I want
to get into this. Here, you've got Zach Sharboney. You've
got Kendre Miller, Davon Ah Chane, Roshawn Johnson, who is
another guy that I just love and I love the
landing spot for him too, and Tajy Spears on the

(20:50):
other side. Here Pat, you've got just a Chane and
charbon Ay. The more that I look at Zach Sharbonay
and more I get removed from the draft, the more
I starting to think that I think it's more Charboney's
situation to Botch and I'm less and less enamored of
ken Walker the more I'm getting some distance from this,
And it feels like Pete Carroll's actually trying to tell

(21:12):
us something about how he feels about ken Walker. Potentially
where maybe the better three down option. Maybe it's the inverse,
maybe it's sharbon Ay. And then you get some ken
Walker in there, and it's not what we perceive to
be the guy ahead, who's already been there necessarily being
the guy in front. What do you think?

Speaker 2 (21:29):
Yeah, I don't really get the reaction, you know, to say, Okay,
this guy who they just took in the second round
is clearly going to back up this other guy who
they took in the second round, Like maybe maybe they're
could play both of them. They took him both in
the second round. And if you go watch the press
conference after the draft, which I did, they said they're
going to play both of them. And they said they're

(21:49):
going to play both of them in basically all situations
that they're going to on third down, they're going to
rotate both guys, and they and Carol goes on, He's like,
and who knows, maybe we see a strength there with
Sharba that he gets more of that work, and we
know that's the weakness for Kenneth Walker coming in. This
guy doesn't catch passes, but he can still get there
as an early down guy. But Penny's there. You know,

(22:13):
I was a little skeptical I didn't have enough of
them as I should because as soon as Penny goes down,
they just give it all to Kenneth Walker. He has
this incredible explosive profile on the ground, which he is
extremely talented as an explosive home on his runner. But
I think in a similar way, like we're getting a
bet with Sharbona where it's like if Walker did miss

(22:34):
any time. This guy's versatile, he's big, he can catch passes.
I think Pete Carroll's going to be very happy to
lean on the run with sharbon At, just as he
was last year with Kenneth Walker. So this looks like
a committee to me in Dynasty. I'm like a little
bit less interested in Charboney than I am in Redraft,

(22:54):
even because I think the BET's going to reset every
year in Diasty for the next couple of years, it's
like every year it's like this kind of committee We're
not sure what's going to happen, but things could shake
out through injuries where one guy is an absolute smash.
But in Dynasty Chin kind of I can at least
like maybe he emerges as the clear guy, like a

(23:15):
clear guy that people are wanting to trade for, they're
excited about. And so that's why I ultimately had him ahead.
But I've been kind of a defender.

Speaker 1 (23:22):
Landed in the right spot. You know. If you're talking
about like a guy that landed in the right spot
with a head coach who knows what to do with him,
it's Mike McDaniel. I mean that that's clearly you know,
the plus for him exactly. And if you can't trust
Pete Carroll, pat who can you trust? I mean, at
the end of the day, I.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
Mean he's dropped the running backs and saying he's playing
that actually does seem like something I think I can trust.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
Him does well. And I think he's got a little
PGSD because it feels like, you know, ever since he
moved up for Rashad Penny, it's been this this. I mean,
whether it was Chris Carson and Rashad Penny and the
DJ Dallas and he goes like, there's so many guys
and nobody's been able to stay healthy. And I feel
like he's like, I need more running backs. I just
need my running backs because all my running back to
always hurt. And he took quality running back. So that's

(24:03):
a good thing.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
But to me, the Pennies Walker and you know, the
explosive guy, right, he likes his Carsons, Sharmon, He's a Carson,
He's just a I.

Speaker 3 (24:14):
Said in a show earlier this week, Pat was just
like talking about Walker being the Pennies.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
He subscribes to the podcast wherever he gets his pot
ericson the other guys in this list, because I know,
you know, you've given a lot of sharpen and h
In takes too, Kendre Miller, Roshan Johnson, Taj Spears now
Spears Obviously health wise, there's some questions there. So it's
obviously looking into the long term. But let's talk about
Kendre Miller and Roshan Johnson, two guys that could have
a clearer path than we realized, sooner than we realized.

Speaker 3 (24:42):
I just really like Kendrey Miller. I liked his profile
a lot. He came out early. I think that the
fact that he was a third round pick and did
not test at all. I think that's very telling of
a running back where everybody is so an analytically driven,
where it's like what's his forty time?

Speaker 4 (24:58):
Like how much does he weigh? We need you know,
all these things.

Speaker 3 (25:00):
And the Saints were like, we were comfortable enough with
his tape, like what he put on film, the numbers
that he put up at TCU, that they were comfortable
taking him with a third round pick, which we did
not see a lot of running backs go in the
third round. We saw two Hendre Miller and or excuse me.
So I think that he in the situation he's in
with New Orleans where you have question marks about Kamara,

(25:21):
I think from a dynasty perspective, I think Kamara's days
are numbered in Saints, whether it's because of contract, whether
it's because's gonna get suspended, like he's just not going
to be there for much longer. And then you have
Jamal Williams, who we've kind of seen, is this guy
that you know, he steps up most of the time
when he gets opportunities, but he's mostly volume driven.

Speaker 4 (25:39):
He's a team.

Speaker 3 (25:40):
Player type of running back where I think that someone
could beat him out if someone is more talented. And
Kendre Miller is an explosive running back, which I don't
think Jamal Williams is, so I think he can stand
out in this offense, especially if they don't have album
Kamara for spells during the year.

Speaker 4 (25:56):
So that's why I like Kendre Miller.

Speaker 3 (25:57):
And I like his size too, Like he's the exact
size be John Robinson, like he has bell Cow's eyes.
So I think Kendre Miller for me is my probably
one of my favorites of this group.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
Yeah, and then Roshan obviously is a guy that did
not get you know, nearly the publicity. Maybe he would
have in another team because he's playing behind the best
running back in college football and John Robinson. But you
watch his tape, it is incredibly impressive, and he's landing
in an offense that you know they're going to run
the football in Chicago, and what's ahead of him is
you know, one year deal Deonta Foreman and Khalil Herbert.

(26:29):
So I'm looking at that, and you know, you want
to talk about like who comes cheaper in drafts. This
kind of thing ericson. You know, as I look as
somebody who's very enamorate of taking a lot of wide
receivers and going heavy in that. The Bears running back
stituer is when fascinates me because I'm looking at potentially
taking some shares of maybe two of those three guys
even this year, and looking at, you know, possibly getting

(26:50):
productivity out of him at some point.

Speaker 3 (26:52):
Yeah, I think with Roshan, I think it's him and
Foreman that are kind of competing for the same spot
on the roster versus Herbert, where I think Herbert is
more of the guy in the US. He's kind of
like our speed guy, like he can generate big, explosive
place because even last year when he when we were
just all it's like, please put a little Herbert in
the game more than David Montgomery, Like he's so much

(27:13):
better Herbert. They still they still refuse to do it.
And Herbert's been banged up more than the other running
backs have been historically speaking. So I think Herbert's kind
of always going to be hanging around no matter what.
But I think that Foreman or Johnson could emerge as
that actual lead back where Khalil Herbert kind of just
stays in his role. And if I was betting on

(27:33):
which running back would probably take Rochean as a guy
that's great in pass pro, a guy that doesn't have
a lot of wear on his tires, wind surprised you off.
Like September comes around, cuts are coming out, and Forman
gets released by the Bears. It's like, oh my god,
Roshan Johnson, his ADP is going to skyrocket, so now
it is probably the better time to get in on
him versus later.

Speaker 4 (27:52):
I like that.

Speaker 2 (27:54):
Yeah, I think the pass pro element is one to
underline there too, because like sometimes, you know, we talk
about roles in committees and stuff with the running back position,
but it's not like, you know, every single first down,
you know, they put this guy on and every single
third down to put this guy sometimes they just leave
the guy out there who was already out there. So
if you convert a third down with Roshawn Johnson on
the field, he's got the size and ability to play

(28:16):
on early downs. I don't think they're immediately pulling him,
you know. So I think he can kind of earn
more touches by just being good at pass protection, even
though they're not going to pass atten to the running
back and he's not going to generate a ton of
receiving value because of the way that offense is going
to work with Fields is the mobile threat. But I
think he's gonna he's got something he does better than

(28:36):
the other guys which could help him earn playing time.

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Let's continue on here with the rest of this group
of running backs here they are more in the upside
tier ericson. You've got Chase Brown, Duay McBride, Zach Evans,

(29:22):
Israel Abanakonda, Evan Hall, Tank Bigsby, and Eric Gray. Give
me the one guy out of this grouping that you
think can make a fantasy impact sooner than later.

Speaker 3 (29:31):
So some of these guys come with the caveats like, well,
if they get rid of Dalvin Cook or they get
rid of Joe Mixon, then you see a path where Okay,
Chase Brown, Joey McBride, Okay, now now they have upside
because now they have opportunity in their respective backfield. So
that's kind of same thing with Amana Kanada, where if
Breesol is coming back solely from his torn acl injury, Okay,
then does he step in? Does he leap frog Michael

(29:52):
Carter's on at nights some of these other guys on
the roster. So I think that that's kind of interesting
from those guys. But the player I gravitate towards the most,
and it's someone that I think is really polarizing. Zach
Evans from Ole Miss. Now his biggest problem at the
college level, beside some of the off field stuff, attitude.
I mean, he was always really efficient, Like I look
at when I'm evaluating rookie running backs, I look at

(30:14):
how efficient they are on a per play basis, and
Zach Evans ranked really high for me in that regard,
and something that I've always kind of kept an eye
on players that have done well in that category historically
that were late round picks from Andre Stevenson, Elijah Mitchell.
Those are the guys I'm kind of looking for, and
Zach Evans kind of checked off some of those boxes.
But the biggest thing an issue with him in college
was he never really took over a backfield, like he

(30:35):
was always like in a committee with somebody, whether it's
Kendre Miller, whether it was some other running back from
Old Miss, Like, he never really fully took over a backfield.
And now the situation he is with the Rams, well
it's cam Akers and then a bunch of other guys
Like I don't really I'm not afraid of Ronnie Rivers
or kyn Williams versus Zach Evans. From a talent standpoint,
I think he's way better than those other running backs.

Speaker 4 (30:56):
And then it just Cam't Akers.

Speaker 3 (30:58):
And look, we've written the cam Akers roller coaster enough
times to know we don't know where this is going.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
Like one minute sho typically makes you sick.

Speaker 3 (31:05):
One minute, Sean McVay loves this guy, He's gonna give
him thirty carries, and the next well, you know, we're
gonna cut.

Speaker 4 (31:10):
Cam Akers today.

Speaker 3 (31:11):
So I think Zach Evans is an interesting player from
the fact that I could see Sean McVay this RAMS
team is losing a bunch of games. Stafford's hurt, they
have Stenton Bennett out there. It's like, hey, no cam
Akers banged up. We're just gonna roll with Zach Evans
and he's gonna get twenty five carries today because we
have no other, you know, source of offense. So I'm
gonna lean on Evans as one of the guys I
like late in some of these Dynasty drafts.

Speaker 1 (31:34):
Pat, looking at your list, You've got Kendre Miller at
the top of the upside grouping, You've got Tase Spears,
Roshawn Johnson, Chase Brown, than Tank Bigsby, then about a Conda,
and then Evan Hall. So of this grouping here too.
I know you have ranked a certain way, but is
there one where maybe the path starts to open itself
up a little bit to you where you feel like, yeah,
this guy could have a bigger fantasy impact sooner than

(31:56):
we realize.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
Well, Andrew just convinced me that I should have had
Zach Evans on this list at least. But I would
say ty J. Spears is a guy who jumps out
to me a bit. He's he's a smaller back, but
he's he's receiving back, and you know, he's kind of
like in the Michael Carter archetype. But I think he's
probably a bit more explosive. Now he's got this knee

(32:17):
issue which is gonna, you know, knock him down in drafts.
But like we kind of forget about that stuff very quickly.
And it's not that he was drafted on the third round.
It's not like they're gonna immediate. They think he can
contribute and maybe three or four years from now he
you know, it shortens his career. But like Jay AJAYI

(32:38):
had an amazing career before he didn't, you know what
I mean, And he was the same exact kind of
red flags. It's that he came he had an aclchair
I believe in high school that created some issues, some
red flags for team. He fell all the way to
the fifth round. So I just kind of feel like
we we kind of forget like, remember, we're supposed to
be keeping the back of our minds that Nick Chubb
had a major knee injury before he came in. Does

(33:00):
anyone care? Right, No one cares. It's gone now, that's
over until there's some sort of injury report issue, and
then we'll all freak out. Oh God, everyone forgot he
had a knee thing that we've completely wiped from our minds.
So I think, like with the same kind of depth
chart stuff, Derrick Henry's really getting up there. This is
a team that's pretty clearly resetting. They could be trading

(33:23):
Ryan Tannehal, they could get rid of Dereck Henry, They've
already talked about doing that. So you know, just Spears
walk into a ton of opportunity right away. I think
it's at least possible, and I think it's at least
possible that next year it's looking like he might have
a ton of opportunity, which is a trade window for you.
So he's just you know, that depth to our uncertainty,
and with the player who I think is probably a

(33:45):
little underrated talent wise right now because of the injury concerns.

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on you. Let's continue on here to the wide receivers. Now,
Jackson Smith and Jiguba is number one for both of
you guys in that elite tier along with Jordan Adison.

(34:51):
Both of you have two. Then you've got Pat Quinton
Johnson at three. Rickson's got Zay Flowers at three, and
then Quentin Johnson at four, and now Zay Flowers obviously
not on your elite quote unquote list. We'll get to
that in the second. As to why I'm fascinating here
with the order, you guys both basically have the same
two here. Yet Quentin Johnson's in a situation where Patt

(35:13):
it feels like whenever the next Mike Williams injury happens,
which could be during this podcast, for all we know,
there's going to be opportunity for Quentin Johnson with an
elite quarterback and Keenan Allen is not getting any younger,
So why is Johnson the three as opposed to Addison,
you know who is playing along with Justin Jefferson, who's
the alpha getting so much of that target chare and

(35:35):
then Jackson Smith and jig. But who's buried here as
the third guy potentially for this year at next Why
is Quentin Johnson three of these guys one and two
above them?

Speaker 2 (35:43):
To me, it just comes down at my confidence in
their talent level. And I just feel like Jackson Smith
and Jig was the clear best prospect in my mind still,
and I don't know how buried he is from a
long term perspective, you know, like Lockett's getting up there
in age Jackson Smith and jig But I think is
going to fit really well with what you know Smith
does genas Smith is very accurate. You know, he doesn't
mind getting the ball very quickly. That's gonna mesh super

(36:05):
well with Jackson Smith and Jiga. I think, you know,
heading into next year, we could be projecting him for
the most targets on the Seahawks. So I'm not concerned
about the situation with Jackson Smith and Jigua. Jordan Addison
is definitely more of an issue because he's never gonna
be the number one in Minnesota obviously, but he projected
pre draft for me like a perfect one B type,

(36:27):
like the kind of guy like Advante Smith type of
ceiling outcome where we're OK, and I mean, this is
the this is the perfect landing spot for that, you know,
and we could be taking him in the fourth round
of draft, fifth round of drafts next year after a
strong rookie season. He could be the type of the
guy two years from now we're drafting like Dante Smith
in the second or the third round.

Speaker 1 (36:47):
I mean, and DeVonta Smith finished as a wide receiver
one last year. The exactly points exactly, it's the lack
of a point.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
But I do think Johnson has a huge ceiling, and
I think that his landing spot was excellent, not just
because of Herbert, but because I was worried that someone
was going to cast him like Mike Williams. They're gonna say, go,
you're the big You're a big wide receiver, go go
win at the catch point that he didn't do that
very well. What he did do very well was win
after the catch. He was His YAKT was awesome. He
was a great downfield y act producer. And I think

(37:15):
if they're using Mike Williams like Mike Williams, which I
think they will, then you know what, Quinton Johnston can
at least be more. I think maybe move him around
the formation a little bit more, you know, try to
get the ball in his hands and have him create
after the catch, which I think is his biggest strength.
And I think Herbert is a good fit for that

(37:37):
type of wide receiver. So I don't want to discount
Quentin Johnson. I think you know. That's why I had
him ahead of Zay Flowers, and in this tier is
one of the time.

Speaker 1 (37:45):
Now, Andrew, you have Za Flowers in the elite tier
and Pat does not. So let's talk about the reasons why,
because I agree with you, actually would have had him
in my elite tier as well, because I love everything
about the guy. I love the way he plays football,
the intangibles that he's got, the guy himself, very high character,
work ethic kind of thing, all the things that you're
looking for to make it at the next level. So
why is a Flowers in there for you in this

(38:07):
league group.

Speaker 4 (38:07):
Well, he's the first round pick.

Speaker 3 (38:09):
Like I think that matters since when you're just looking
at rookie hit rates and who can finish as the
top twenty four receiver, like when you go from round
one to round two, just the numbers are staggering and
how far it drops off. So I think that considering
where they all went back to back to back to back,
it's like the NFL viewed them all pretty closely together
in terms of, Okay, where are we looking at these

(38:30):
players from a long term perspective? I think with Flowers,
for me, you can make some of the same arguments
with Quintin Johnson, where it's like, well, Mike Williams, Key
Allen and getting up in there in age they get
hurt all the time. Okay, Well, Odell Beckham is just
coming off tornenty a cl like Rashau Baby's coming off
two injury plague seasons. So how long is it going
to take for Ja Flowers to really step up and
become part of this offense? Mar Jackson, I think he's
an elite passer. I know that some of the NFL don't.

(38:53):
I couldn't disagree more with that. I think Lamar Jackson's
going to put on a revenge tour this season, honestly,
and just like every everything ablaze because of all the
criticism he's kind of gotten over this past during his
contract negotiation period. So those are some of the reason
why I still like say Flowers in this elite tier.

Speaker 4 (39:10):
I've gone back and.

Speaker 3 (39:11):
Forth with him in Quentin Johnston, I think that Flowers,
for me, maybe is a bit of a safer projection.
I think that he's played more whereas quin Johnson has
a little bit more boom or bust to his game,
and I think that that's probably the reason why I
just have to say Flowers just one spot.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
Ahead now in this next tier, in the solid talent
ericson You've got Marvin Mims, Rashie Rice, Jaden Reed, Jalen Hyatt,
Cedric Tillman, another player who I like a lot long term,
Josh Downs and Tank Dell. Rashie Rice is the guy
I want to get into with you here because this
is a situation where we keep looking for who is
going to emerge from this clump of wide receivers in

(39:48):
Kansas City, because whoever does gets Patrick Mahomes from the
football one hundred plus times. They have Canarius Tony, they
have Sky Moore, Obviously Kelsey is going to be Kelsey.
They have mvs on the outside, but Hi another guy
that plays on the outside. So does Rashie Rice have
an opportunity here to really emerge in By the end
of twenty twenty three as somebody that Patrick Mahomes is
looking for and targeting and maybe the next guy in

(40:11):
this offense that we want to have in fantasy.

Speaker 3 (40:13):
He's really productive at SMU. He broke all Emmanuel Sanders records.
So from a production standpoint, like the guy can deliver.
He's got a pretty good college profile. You know, he's
a pretty good athlete, so he kind of like checks
off a decent amount of boxes of a player that, Okay,
like this guy in a great situation could probably be
a good wide receiver at the NFL level. I guess
that's kind of where I have it with Rice, where

(40:34):
I'm not so totally sold on all he's just this
amazing prospect, like he's going to be an all pro
wide receiver. I don't necessarily see that with she Rice,
but I understand when you're attached packed Forhomes, it's like,
this is not a bad bet to keep making.

Speaker 1 (40:46):
Oh yeah, you could be a good receiver. You have
a great quarterback that helps.

Speaker 4 (40:49):
A lot exactly.

Speaker 3 (40:50):
So I do think that Rice has some obviously upside
with an offense attached pack Mahomes where there are question marks.
I mean, I'm not really huge on de Caadarius Tony
just because the guy, the way the guy plays is
asking for injuries, the way that he just tries to
move his legs and knees every time he gets the ball.

Speaker 4 (41:07):
I still like sky Moore a little bit.

Speaker 3 (41:09):
So Rice, I think he kind of just falls into
the Chiefs wide receiver room and it's like, well, I mean,
if you're better than Justin Ross, you'll be out there.
But if he's not, I'm not necessarily wouldn't be surprised
if we see something else from this receiving room. Because again,
as long as Patrick Mahomes has been the quarterback in
the Kansas City Chiefs, it's really been Tyreek Hill and
not really on anybody else. Despite all the claims that

(41:31):
Mahomes gets, it's like it's really he hasn't really increased
the usability of other receivers not named Tyreek Hill. Most
of it's because of Travis Kelcey having a major presence
in that passing game, but for the most part, like
chasing Kana City wide receivers hasn't really worked out. So
with Rice, I'm I would be definitely be more price
sensitive to him where it's like if he's getting steamed

(41:51):
up extremely close to the start of the like, you
know what rookie wide receiver in the second round, Like,
I can take somebody else and I'll just take a
cheap chief wide receiver.

Speaker 1 (42:00):
Now, Pat, you've got Jay Flowers at the top of
this grouping than Marvin Mims and Jonathan Mingo. Mingo's getting
a lot of hype lately on a lot of different spots.
Do you buy into that same hype where Mingo could
be a guy that becomes the favorite of Bryce Young
sooner than later.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
To an extent, But it's one of these things where
I want to be out in front, right, we want
people to catch up to us to the Bjon point, right,
Like Mingo is going to move up in these best
ball drafts, I think, and you know, I think he's
someone that in your dynasty draft. You know, if you
already have him or you're taking them this week, he's
probably gonna be worth more even later this offseason. Because

(42:37):
they just took this guy early in the second round.
There's really no target competition like DJ Sharks's biggest target competition.
I guess Adam Feelin, But I think Adam Feeling's done.
I mean, he's falling off a lot. So Mingo sets
up as a big bodied target earner who could play outside.
He's pretty good after the catch. He's extremely athletic. I mean,

(42:59):
he's absolutely elite as an athlete. His production profile is
is not great. It's not really even good four year player.
So that's a concern. But as we look at like
just the sheer amount of targets that are available and
the idea of can he basically operate like a Michael

(43:19):
Pittman in this Frank Reich offense. Yeah, I think he's
got a decent chance of being you know, that kind
of you know, big bodied outside guy, and I think
the market is going to come around to that idea.
So I just think, like, right now, I like him.
You know, it's like a mid second super flex type
of pick. It feels like a lot of upsides to me.

(43:40):
I mean, yes, he doesn't have the production profile that
I like, but if I'm going to make exceptions, I
want to make exceptions on guys who have abilities, aren't
targets right away and who have elite athleticism, and he
is both all right.

Speaker 1 (43:51):
Well, when we're looking at upside guys here, Jalen Hyat
is at the top of your list. He kind of
fits the bill on both of them. Then you have
Roshie Rice, Cedric Tillman, Jaden Reid, and Josh Downs. Jalen
Hyatt certainly a guy that checks a lot of the
boxes you just talked about. Do you think that the
landing spot for the Giants helped him?

Speaker 2 (44:08):
I think the landing spot for the Giants could help
him long term, I don't think. I do think we
need to maybe like reset on Jalen Hyatt and Josh
Downs because they were not valued by the NFL like
we thought they were. Remember, like Yatt was supposed to
be in the first round when we were starting all
this stuff. It's just not just not who the NFL

(44:28):
thought he was. And Josh Downs, you know, supposed to
be early second not not at all. So I think,
like you want to be patient with Hyatt. I think
there's a long term a situation where he can emerge
as like, you know, their top outside wide receiver for sure,
but he played mostly in the slot in college. I

(44:49):
think he's gonna have to transition like he was already
going to be the type of guy that we were projecting.
It's like, you know a bit of a project, and
I guess maybe they could play him more in the
slot in kind of the four wide receiver set type
approach under dable. But they also have every slot receiver
known to man on that roster right now, right, They've
got like Crowder and Paris camp. I mean, it's crazy,

(45:11):
in addition to Wandale Robinson and stuff. So like, I
don't know how many slot snaps are really available to him.
I think he's gonna have to earn targets earned routs
rather on the outside. That could take a little while,
So I just I think be patient, which is why
I had him down in this upside tier rather than
the solid talent.

Speaker 1 (45:26):
Here ericson in the upside tier. For you, you've got
Jonathan Mingo than Kaishon Bute and Tyler Scott. So anybody
jump out to you in this.

Speaker 4 (45:35):
Tier, it's Kashan Bute, Kaishan Booty.

Speaker 3 (45:38):
I mean, look, the Hatriots cannot draft wide receivers in
the top three, four five rounds to save anyone's life. Okay,
I've been through all of the Aaron Dobson's and Malcolm
Mitchell's and all these guys that have all been hold
Harry soon to be the Taekwon Thorons, like all these
guys and just to see the Steelers draft everyone that's
better Antonio Brown last year, George Pickens like we've all seen.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
It where but you're not bitter.

Speaker 3 (46:02):
No, I'm not bitter at all, Nikhil Harry. And then
they draft and then they signed Jacoby Myers, who an
undrafted free agent and he ends up getting the big
contract from the Las Vegas Raiders. So regardless with Kashn Boody,
the thing with him is he broke out as.

Speaker 4 (46:16):
Eighteen year old at LSU.

Speaker 3 (46:18):
Like we've seen all of these wide receivers come out
from LSU, the Justin Jefferson's Jamar Chases. And you know,
Boody was viewed as one of the top prospects in
this entire class at wide receiver at one point. The
last game he played, he absolutely destroyed George's defense. Yeah,
you know the defense that gets everyone drafted in the
NFL and all like half their team is on the
Eagles now. Yeah, Kayshawn Boody, a six round pick, destroyed

(46:42):
that defense in his last game at LSU. So the
way I see it is, look the Patriots receiving corps
is not that great. They have Jujus Smith Schuster there, Okay,
they signed him, Demonte Parker, Kendrick Bourne. They're trying to
find ways to not put him on the field. They
have a bunch of tight ends. Like this offense needs juice.
That was the biggest thing, their biggest issue last year.

Speaker 4 (47:02):
They didn't have any juice. So I think that they're
willing to open it up.

Speaker 3 (47:05):
They have not been afraid to throw guys without draft
capital into the starting lineup, and I think Booty's going
to get an opportunity here in this offense. And we've
seen it when he's had chances to produce and been healthy,
because that was the biggest thing. In twenty twenty one,
he got hurt with an ankle injury. And then last
year it was off the field issues. The offense wasn't
that great. What was going on with the program. There's
a lot of things that really weren't football related. I

(47:26):
think that kind of distracted Booty from becoming the guy
we thought he would be. And he tested so horribly,
like oh my god, I don't know what his agent
was telling him to do. Is like have you ever
practiced a vertical jump in your entire life, go out
there like you'll do great, like.

Speaker 2 (47:39):
This is this is small. But he stood on his
combine numbers that is pro day, Like that's that's a
red flag to me in its own right. He was like,
They're like, how about the doing better than the twenty
nine inch vertical? You want to do that? He's like, no,
that's John good. I'm happy with that number.

Speaker 4 (47:54):
I don't know what he was doing.

Speaker 3 (47:56):
I don't know what who was telling him to do
what in that situation, but it did not work out
for him. Where when you look at the look, JSN
barely played it all last year and his draft stock
did not get touched whatsoever. Whereas Kaisehon Boody, he played
bad last year, he didn't test great, and his draft
stock plummeted as a result. But from a talent perspective,

(48:16):
like Kayshon Boody has extremely talented program. Sure, he was
a very highly reved So that's why I love his upside.
I think that the Patriots are more willing to take
a shot on a player like this from an opportunity
standpoint than most of you are willing to admit. And
I think that so many people have been burned by
Patriots drafting wide receivers.

Speaker 4 (48:34):
It's like, yes, when they draft.

Speaker 3 (48:35):
Guys highly, they're missing left and right every single time
when the tick guy's late. Julian Edelman, Jacoby Myers, like
some of those types of players. I think Booty can
make no noise.

Speaker 1 (48:45):
Let's hit these tight ends here. Obviously, Dalton k Kate
at the very top ericson he's your only elite tight end.
Uh you've got Kincaid, Pat You've also got Mayor and Laporta.
Uh so let's talk about that. Why are the other
two still in this elite tier for you? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (48:59):
I mean, you know, the Dalton Kin Kate landing spot
is very exciting. He gets the first round draft capital.
But I like the profiles of Michael Mayer and Sam
Laporta with high second round draft capital as well. And
you know, with tight end, we are trying to find
like a very rare profile. You know, we're like, if

(49:22):
you hit on a David and Joku, okay, cool, Yeah,
who cares, It's like that that's a hit. That's that
was a good.

Speaker 4 (49:31):
Waiting for him to hit pat Actually, yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:33):
But he's he's got trade value and at some point
he's definitely gonna produce. It'll happen, you know, eventually, maybe
you're seven, so but like you've gotta so it's in
some ways I want to kind of cast a wider
net at tight end. And you know, kin Kaid definitely
has an interesting profile. He is more of a seam stretcher.
He's going to be kind of the big slot for

(49:54):
Josh Allen, which is pretty exciting. But Dawson Knox is
not going anywhere, Like he literally can't be cut I
think until like twenty twenty five. They just like re
signed him. So he's He's still gonna be playing plenty
of snaps, I think, and he's someone that they trust.
He's historically played a really high snap rate. The Bills
will play some twelve personnel, but everyone operates out of

(50:15):
eleven personnel ast their base. They're not gonna They're not
going to be like the Chiefs led the league in
twelve personnel last year. They ran it on twenty nine
percent of their pass plays. So, like, how much is
Dalton Kincaid even playing again? This isn't until like knock
Kincaid necessarily, but I don't see a huge gap between
him and Mayor and Laporta, and I think all three

(50:36):
of the guys have really interesting profiles. They're all pass catchers.
Mayor was the most productive of them in college. Laporta
is really interesting after the catch. Kinkaid is a field
stretcher with Josh Allen, So I think all these profiles
are pretty nice. I have Kinkaid ranked first with the
draft Capito and the Atlantic spot, but you know, I don't
see a huge gap between him and the other two.

Speaker 1 (50:56):
Yeah. Tom Strauchan actually has a piece up at Fantasy
Pro about the FFPC the players to target the championship
we were just talking about, and he's got Michael Merris
one of them too. He's gone up, though, from one
hundred and fifty first to one hundred and thirty fifth
overall just in two weeks. So some people tend to agree.
Erickson continuing on here, we know about the you know,
the greatness of Kincaid, Your solid tier is Mayor and Laporta.

(51:19):
You've got nobody in the solid tier here, Pat, So
it's just a bunch of the upside guys, which include
for you, Erickson, Tucker Craft, Luke Musgrave, Luke Schoonmaker, and
Elijah Higgins. And then Pat's got Luke Musgrave, Tucker Craft,
and Luke Schoenmacher as well. So out of these guys
that are left in this grouping that we haven't talked
about in the upside group ericson who's the dart throw
that you think is worth throwing a dart at.

Speaker 3 (51:41):
I think in the long term, I probably throw a
dart throw on one of the Green Bay Packers titands,
because they have a chance whether touch one.

Speaker 4 (51:48):
You got to pick like Tuckerft like I liked. I
liked your more pre draft.

Speaker 3 (51:52):
I thought that he had a more complete profile than
Luke Musgrave, who it was, Hey, if you just take
his two game sample and then put it over an
entire season, like this guy lights out, So it's like, okay,
well can we really do that? So I get why
they took musk Grave first, and I get why, but
they also took Craft like right after, So it's not
like they were so confident Musclet like, oh, we don't
need to get another tight ends, like they drafted two

(52:13):
of them. So I think that in itself, the question
marks of who's going to be the starting tight end,
we don't know. They're gonna have to compete and see
who's better. And I just think that Craft was a
better prospect. So that's why I would push my chips
in and while others gravitate towards the draft capital second
verse third, I would think it's really a big deal.
So it wouldn't surprise me of Craft is able to
kind of pulled out. I just want to mention too
with Elijah Higgins. Look, he was a wide receiver at Stanford.

(52:35):
He's converting to tight end for the Miami Dolphins. Look,
we all pegged Miami Dolphins as this like prime landing
spot for a tight end, and no one is talking
about Elijah Higgins where he was drafted the fifth round,
not great draft capital. He's obviously converting from receiver, but
when you look at his athletic profile, I mean he's
closely comparatible Sam Laporta. Like if Sam Laporta had gone

(52:55):
to the Miami Dolphins, we a'll be like, oh, maybe
sammy ball game, let's go.

Speaker 4 (52:59):
No want's talking.

Speaker 3 (53:00):
About Higgins because he's a convert. Now, I think that
means it's probably gonna take some time for him to
get on the field and to learn the position. But
Durham Smythe is the current starting tight end for the
Miami Dolphins. Like, he's not used as a receiver, so
if they need a receiving tight end, receiving threat, that's
a big body guy, Elija. I mean Tyreek Hill's not big,
Jayalen Wattlell's not big like Elijh. Higgins could be a

(53:23):
red zone threat for the Miami Dolphins, who for the
most part, we are excited about as an offense. So
I think Higgins, who's basically dirt cheap like, I think
he's still a wide receiver in a lot of different formats.

Speaker 4 (53:32):
I think it's gonna get changed the tight end. I
think that he's interesting for those reasons.

Speaker 1 (53:37):
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(53:59):
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(54:20):
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