All-Sleeper Team + Damien Williams Opts Out (Ep. 519)

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Speaker 1 (00:15):
Everyone, Welcome into the Finns Prows Football Podcast. I'm your host,
Bobby Sylvester, and today I'm joined by Kyle Yates and
Joe Piza Pia. He's the author of the number one
best selling Fantasy Black Book series and he's on Twitter
at Joe Pisapa seventeen. I'm at Bobby Fantasy Pro and
Yates is at Kyle y NFL. First of all, Yates,
how's it going, Buddy? It's going good man. I am
excited to talk some football. We are. You know, we've

(00:38):
got some news to break down. We got Damian Williams
opting out, we got some some other key players. News
is starting to pick up, man, So yeah, I'm ready
to talk about it. And we've still got three more
days for more four more days for players to opt out,
so I'm sure there's gonna be some other big names.
Do not do your drafts if your commissioner has said
that you've got a draft coming up in the next
four days, boycott. Don't do your draft in the next

(00:58):
four days because it is going to ugly go on strike,
hold out night. Joe, how's it going, Buddy? I got
a draft tomorrow. Seely, it's his fault. No, I am
in accord with you guys totally about this, and thanks
for having me on this show. I'm always happy to
be here talking with you two. Especially. It's always fun. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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because I like you guys. I mean, I don't know
who couldn't like you two. I don't understand, but I'll
say this, You're absolutely right if you can postpone any drafts,
you should because just like baseball, like we're in a
place here where everything is so fluid. You're doing your
league and disservice. You're doing the credibility of everything a
disservice where it's gonna be more about luck than anything.
And I don't mean andrew kind, I mean like just

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the bad kind. And I don't want to get involved
with that. And unfortunately, this is a big draft because
I'm defending my championship for the Flex League, for the
Super Flex League on Friday. And again it's kind of
like we're all looking at each other like, well, it's
that time of year. We gotta do it. We have,
you know, we have the draft every time, you know,
somewhere around here, and I know Jake likes to put

(02:01):
it out there, but it's gonna be tough man. Everyone's
just kind of keeping their fingers cross whatever they take. Right,
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to hold in their hand. So here's the plan for
today's show, guys. All right, First of all, we're obviously
going to talk about the Damian Williams opting out news,
and then we're going to do in all sleeper team draft.

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So we've each got seven players, one quarterback, two running backs,
three wide receivers, and one tight end that are outside
the top one hundred ADP. That's what we consider to
be sleepers. You might consider it something else. That's what
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dot Com. All right, your first, Joe, we're gonna go
with the quarterback position. Who is your sleeper our Borria Yates?

(05:14):
He or he's still one of my quarterbacks that I like.
So I'm gonna go the extreme other route. I'm gonna
go with the old man Roethlisberger coming back from injury.
Why not? Why not? I mean, jeez is two years ago,
the guy through for five thousand yards. I understand AB's
not there. I understand Levon Bell's not there. But you
know what, we've had different casts of characters before. And
I went back and I looked at the different cast

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of characters. Hey, you know what, Ben Roethlisberger still pretty good.
I think potential low end QB one this year, and
considering the value got him, it's a really good spot.
I think I'd love to have him and Drew Brees
and play Roethlisberger on the Drew Brees road games. And
I think I can maximize my quarterback productivity. And I'll
tell you what, man, I think, even single quarterback leagues
this year, you would be smart to draft a second quarterback,

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very very smart to do so, because one positive COVID
test you're missing a quarterback for two weeks. And that's
something y'all have to keep in mind. And I do
think Big Ben has something to prove. And I think
Big Ben has enough here with Deonte Johnson and enough
here with Juju. And I think James Connor is a
really good back. I'm like everybody else, concerned about how
much he's gonna hold up over a full season. But

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I always like to believe in guys and contract years
more than anything else. So I'm gonna go with Big
Ben and try to dust dust a Big Ben off
a little bit and see if he's got one more
good year in him Yates, we have talked about probably
ten thousand billion Niner players this entire preseason. I don't
think we've talked about Big Ben Ones. I think so.

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I mean, as he mentioned, it was like, oh wait,
we actually haven't talked about Big Ben a ton and
I think I think that's a miss on our part, right,
I think he's just fallen outside the criteria of every
episode that we've done. So I'm glad Joe's bring him
up because I'm an agreement. I haven't met QB fourteen,
So he's right on this edge of you know, a
tight end or a tight end one. Goodness a QB
one and so I could play tight end, he could

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play tight and I legitimately think he would be the
slowest person out there, but I think he could play it. No,
he's someone who liked to have said every argument that
Joe made, I'm in agreement with. I think he's someone
who we absolutely need to be considering. And what you mentioned, Joe,
I did want to ask you a question. So you said, like,
this is the year that we need to be thinking
about taking two quarterbacks. I'm in agreement. Do you think
that leagues should be adding extra bench spots. So Hunch

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talks about this a ton, But if you're in a
typical redraft league, you typically don't go in fourteen rounds.
Is this a year that you need to be going
to sixteen? You know, maybe even seventeen eighteen. So that way,
then it makes sense to double up and grab that
quarterback because I would have a tough time grabbing a
second quarterback in a fourteen round league. Yeah, and I
can understand why. But I also think there's going to

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be so much play on the waiver wire with running
backs and wide receivers and other players who I mean,
I think inevitable positive tests are going to pop up there.
And what that does is it's going to possibly shut
down a team for a while, or at least a
few players for a while, and I think you have
to you have to at least prepare for that. So yeah,
extra rosters, BOSS would definitely help that. But the quarterback
position is one where I don't want that kind of

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drop off, you know what I'm saying, Like, I don't
the drop and also respectively too, you have to start
thinking about who the backup quarterbacks are on certain teams.
For instance, like I feel pretty good about you know,
if God forbid anything happened to Drew Brees, that Winston
would still keep Michael Thomas quite relevant. And I think
you have to kind of use those things as tiebreakers
when you're starting to evaluate talent, like I like this

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guy and this guy, Well, this guy is playing in
a good quarterback situation and the secondary guy is workable. Okay,
well what's the drop off on this other position? Not
really good for the backup quarterback? There? Does that make
me like this player as much? And I know it
sounds crazy, but I think at least having that conversation
your head is kind of important. This year. I've got
him as my QBE twenty one guys, so let's keep

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moving though. Yeah, two, do you have as your sleeper
at the quarterback position? Yeah, I'm gonna bring up Cam
Newton because if we're talking about Cam Newton and the
fact that his ADP hasn't and yet, you know, just
based on him signing later on in the off season,
I don't think that his ADP has had a chance
to rise it. Guys, He's going to be the unquestioned
starter in this offense. I don't I don't you put
Cam Newton and Dirt Stidham side by side in training

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camp practices. Cam Newton's gonna blow Stidham out of the
water if he if he's healthy, of course, of course
that's a caveat, But every every indication is that he
is fully healthy. So if we're talking about that, then
we're talking about an extremely mobile quarterback. Is he going
to run for one hundred and thirty times like he
has in years past? No, probably not, but I can
see eighty to ninety and if that's the case, he's
instantly going to outperform his ECR of QB eighteen and

(09:33):
his ADP of quarterback twenty three. Like, I just don't
understand why he's so low right now, and I think
it will come up as the off season goes on
and we see some hype videos come out from the
Patriots camp and all that. But I think Cam Newton
right now is an absolute steal. If you want to
wait on quarterback, or if you want to take the
approach that Joe is talking about, if you want to
take a quarterback the second quarterback, Cam Newton is a

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fantastic option at at his current ADP. Sure, I mean,
I wouldn't be surprised whatsoever. If Bill just runs him
into the ground, I don't know how long he'll last. Well,
Kim might run himself into the ground. I mean that's true.
But while he's healthy, I won him. I mean before
he got hurt in twenty eighteen, I think it was
through seven weeks he was the QB three again in
fantasy football. That's what he always is when he's healthy. Yeah,

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I'm a Patriots fan. People know this about me, and
some of them don't like it about me. But I'll
say this, like Cam Newton is certainly on a one
year contract, who's got an opportunity here to basically prove
his worth again, this is the year to be in
on Cam. It doesn't cost you much to find out,
and he's motivated to prove everybody wrong. And that's always
a dangerous thing with a great athlete. And I think

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he is a great athlete. I think he's you know,
got some shortcomings there as well. But man, if it
doesn't cost anything to find out, you get that greatness,
especially as super flex it's your second quarterback. I love
Cam Newton in that role specifically on that So I'm
with Kyle and this one too. This is another really
good quarterback. I'll tell him really quick and just say,
like if Josh McDaniels made Tim Tebow good quarterback, that's

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imagine with Cam Newton. Man, they won a playoff game
with Tebow, man, I know, didn't they go like eight
and two or something when he was the starter? It
were not those four quarter comebacks for Tebow. Yeah, those were.
That was a lot of fun to watch. That was
maybe my favorite season of any team to watch was
the Tim Tebow Broncos because they always found a way
to win and it was just fun watching him out there. Man.

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It was totally different football. All Right, Everyone who's been
listening to the show for a while knows who my
quarterback is, but there's some new people listening, So I'm
going to say the arguments. Anyway, he's the QB seventeen
in terms of ECR, he'd be eighteen in terms of ADP.
And guess what, he was the best quarterback in football
last year, at least in the eleven weeks he was
the starter. Ryan Tannehill, Guys, he had a historically great season.

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His yards protempt were so far better than any other
quarterback in those eleven weeks. He started one point one
yards protempt more than any other quarterback. That's the career
difference between Tom Brady and Trent Dilford. It's twice the
difference between Drew Brees and Andy Daltoner, Peyton Manning and
Jake Cutler. Tinney Hill was ridiculous as a starter. The
Titans had the most Fantasy the most points per game

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from the week he took over. And it's not like
he was bad back in Miami either. Through his four seasons,
he was third all time in passing yards, behind just
Peyton Manning and Dan Marino. He was top ten all
time in touchdowns, top ten in interception rate. He was
really dang good guys, and that was with lackluster weapons,
struggling offensive line. Finally he gets a complete offense and
what do he do? He broke out and was the
best quarterback in football. I'm not saying he's the best

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quarterback in football, but he was last year. Even if
he takes a big step back, he's going to outproduce
his ADP and I think he has a chance to
be a stud. Now. I get it, he's got some
volume issues. We'll see what happens there. But I mean
there was a day when Tom Brady had volume issues.
Two guys, Kyle, you want to go first on this one.
I mean, I've talked about I think Tannehill is a

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great quarterback, and I think he showed us a lot
last year that he can be Fantasy relevant. I'm not
going to deny those numbers. However, a lot of that
came on the back of A. J. Brown's yards after
the catch, and we a couple episodes ago, Bobby, we
were talking about how as far as regression. AJ Brown
is in for massive regression from a yards per reception standpoint.
You don't average twenty yards per reception each year, that's

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going to come down, which directly affects Tannehill's passing yards.
So with that in mind, I think Tannehill doesn't have
necessarily the numbers or the pat I don't think he's
gonna have the passing volume to be a top twelve quarterback,
which is kind of what you're looking for in this range.
But if we are talking about Tannehill outperforming his ADP, yeah,
I'll get on board of that. He's someone who I
want as my QB two in a Super flex league.

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I have him in our dynasty league, I'll trade him
to you. Yeah, I'm gonna pull this up. Would Joe's
talking about his next players. I don't forget it, all right.
Look as far as Tannehill, for me, by the way,
two cents there, he had a look magical run last year.
It was terrific. Yes, there's definitely regression there for for Aj,
there's no doubt about that as well. But you know,
I think you also have to look and give a

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player credit where credits due too. If you're efficient when
you do touch the football, yes, is it sustainable. Probably not,
But at the same time eats something to be aware of,
and some players have shown it. They just have a
knack for doing that. They make sure most of the
opportunities they have, and I don't want to ding them
too much on that either. I think it's a lot
to get Tannehill up above the board again. But again
as a secondary quarterback and super flex man, I think

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you could do worse than Tannehill, that's for sure. I mean,
if it was sustainable, we'd be take him as the
number two quarterback off the board, because that's what he
was in the eleven weeks that he started. It's obviously
not sustainable, but how far do you drop him? Let's
go to the running back position. Joe your first, all right,
let's do Let's do him together for the sake of
time and inefficiency everybody. You know, everyone's gonna think I'm
crazy on this one, but I feel like every single

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summer we do the same thing. It's like, who is
going to dismiss Philip Lindsay again this year? And every
summer we do it's like, oh, yeah, they brought into
this guy or they drafted this guy, and now it's
Melvin Gordon. And we just keep going on and on
in the circle about Lindsay. Linda keeps putting up thousand
yards season. Somehow he defies all logic and keeps doing this.
And I'm starting to wonder at a certain point when

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we're looking at Melvin Gordon and we're looking at this
team and we're saying, Okay, Melvin Gordon also has a
history of getting hurt. And if you don't realize that,
go back and look at some of the non finishes
that he's had to seasons. And I'm not saying that
Lindsay's going to run away with things, but I think
that this is a guy that I think every year
we keep trying to somehow put into like a bubble
and pass him off and say like, no, he's no good,

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or yeah, I can't work again, or no, this guy's
gonna go ahead of him, and it just never happens.
And I feel like a certain point we have to
give him a little bit of credit. And I think
as a depth running back you could do worse than
that kind of talent, because how many guys can you
draft this depth running backs who have thousand yards seasons
to their credit, And I think that's something to keep
in mind. Yeah, and the other guy for me is
Damien Harris, who I'm just I'm getting a little antsy

(15:37):
about the Sony Michelle stuff, and that's just you know,
once again, Patriots running backs can be infuriating. I totally
get that. But at the same time, they are going
to run the football and play defense. I think that
is their mo You look at that wide receiving corps
and that's what they have to do. So if for
some reason Sony Michelle is not ready right away or
he doesn't look good, Harris is going to get a

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lot more volume than people think. I still love James
White in this offense, regardless of who's playing quarterback. But
Harris is another sneaky guy where it would not shock
me in year two all of a sudden for him
to get more reps, especially with again they we're always
like waiting for the shoe to drop. With Sony Michelle. Yeah,
I mean everyone knows I love Damian Harris. Sonny Michelle's
coming off not just an offseason surgery, but it happened

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in late spring, and it's a foot surgery, so that's
kind of a big deal. Now, the other name that
you mentioned, Philip Lindsay. There's another guy who had back
to back one thousand yards seasons to start his career,
Jordan Howard, and then he faded, you know what I mean.
So I just can't see it happening with Melvin Gordon.
But then again, you're right, every time we discount him,
what does he do? Wait, Yates, what do you think

(16:41):
about these two? Yeah? I love I love the Philip
Lindsay call. I haven't met RB thirty one in my rankings. Well,
so I think he is going to be He's going
to have standalone value. You do not take Philip Lindsay
off the field. So I think there's more is a
conversation about it hurts Melvin Gordon's overall ceiling. Is Gordon
going to be as Fantasy relevant as he was? You know?
Is he going to be in the top ten conversation
that he was in La now in Denver? No, I

(17:03):
don't think so, because you're going to have Philip Lindsay
now more involved. As a change of pace, you get
him some you know, ten to twelve touches per game,
He's going to produce with him, He's shown that he
does nothing but produce, and so I think that Philip
Lindsay is going to have fantasy relevance this year. He's
currently East RB forty, RB thirty nine in ADP. So
if you can get him at that range, I love

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that because again, like Joe said, you're not depending on him,
You're not depending on him to be a RB two
for your roster. He could be your RB three, RB
four in some instances in that case. So yeah, I
love the Philip Lindsay called the Damien Harris one. I'm
warming up to those. We're you know when we talked
about that previously on the podcast, I know that you
brought that up, Bobby. Where could Damien Harris just outright
steal the job from Sony Michelle. I was in the

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camp that said no. But when you're talking about now
that Sony Michelle has the potential to miss time with
this injury that he you know, is not I don't
think he's going to be ready to go week one.
Damian Harris could get the opportunity, but I think it's
not going to be as much as people want it
to be. I think it's going to be this committee
approach that we've seen rex Burg. It'll be involved, James
White obviously will be involved. So I'm not expecting huge things,

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but I am I'm changing my tune on Damien Harris
for sure. All right, So Yates, why don't you go
with your two running backs? I am going to talk
about Latavius Murray first and then Trek Cohens. So Latavius
Murray man at ECR RB forty four ADP of RB
forty five. People are just completely off with Latavius Murray.
And I don't understand it when we're talking about a guy.
When Alvin Kamara went down last year, he was he

(18:28):
was the RB one or like he was in that
conversation in that top five. So if you can get
this guy, especially in a year where Alvin Kamara Saturday,
you know, before a game, before Week three matchup, he
gets put on the COVID list and suddenly Alvin Kamara
is now your start is now with a starting running
back in New Orleans. Absolutely sign me up for that.
And then I think he's going to have fantasy relevance

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to begin with because Alvin Kamara is going to bounce
back from his injury plagued twenty nineteen season. He's going
to be more efficient on the ground, which just helps
the running game in general. So that gives more opportunities
now for Latavius Murray. So I think he's going to
drastically outperform his ADP. He's absolutely someone who I want
to be taking in those later rounds because he's an
absolute steal. As far as Tarik Cohen, he's someone who

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is going to bounce back. Am I predicting someone to
bounce back all the way to his twenty eighteen finish
of RB thirteen. Absolutely not. I don't think he's going
to bounce all the way back up there. But RB
thirty nine in ECR, RB forty six in ADP, So
people are just completely off of Tarik Cohen, and he
is an absolute value this year. Guys. I think he's
there's no way that his efficiency stays all the way

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down at five point seven yards per reception or whatever
it was it was in that five's last year. Like,
there's no way it's going to bounce back up into
the eights or nines, maybe even the tens that he
was in twenty eighteen. He's going to be incredibly efficient.
Those receiving yards will bounce back, the touchdowns will be back.
This is someone who I want to invest in. He's
a big playwaden to happen. Man, I can't believe he's
absolutely target. We're so awful last year. That's going to

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bounce back big time. You know he's going to get
seventy plus receptions. I think he's a very He's solid
RB four that you can plug in during by weeks
when you know when your RB three has a really
bad matchup if anybody gets injured. As far as Latavius Murray,
everyone knows I love Murray. He's like one of my favorite,
probably my fourth favorite target in drafts. Number two for
running backs. I'm gonna have a ton of shares of

(20:17):
Latavius Murray. I think he has standalone value even if
Kamara is healthy. We've seen the Saints produce multiple running backs,
fantasy relevant running backs many years. Mark Ingram was top six,
I believe, and Alvin Kamara was top six in this
same season. And Latavius Murray's a very good goal line back.
So I think he's gonna be useful and I think
he has huge upside. Joe, what do you think about
these two players? Yeah, well, Murray, I'll speak to that

(20:38):
because I definitely agree with that one like that. That's
one where I think, once again, we just keep overlooking
a guy who's productive and productive in different places, you know,
and he's got touchdown upside. And you know, I always
think that Camara, so far from what I've seen, is
at his best when there's another guy out there in
the backfield of complimenting him and changing the pace back
and forth. And I think Murray's gonna get used a lot.

(21:00):
So yeah, I'm on board there as well. You know what, guys,
we didn't talk about Damian Williams opting out, did we, Well,
we're in running backs. It makes sense, zactly, let's talk
about it. I did it on purpose so we could
talk about it during the run. So Damian Williams opts out. Obviously,
they drafted Clyde Edwards Hilaire at the end of the
first round. Is he definitely going to be the starter? Yates. Absolutely.

(21:21):
There's no one else on this roster that is going
to compete for those touches. You have guys like Darwin Thompson,
Elijah McGuire, DeAndre Washington or the guys right now on
the roster. Now, I fully expect them to look into
some of these veteran running backs that are on the market,
a Lamar Miller, Tavante Freeman. I would not be shocked
at all. If yeah, Lashawn McCoy potentially if he's healthy.

(21:41):
I don't know. I don't know what his status is
at this point obviously, So you know, I fully expect
someone one of those players to be added. If that's
the case, it's going to eat into his workload. But
if that's the case, I mean, Clyde Edwards Hilaire is
still going to be a top twelve running back in
this offense easy based on his receiving ability. He's going
to be targeted heavily out of the back field. Now
where we were looking at this conversation, and I mean, Bobby,

(22:04):
you and I talked about this several times where Damian
Williams is probably going to be involved, and I was
just at the point where I was pulling Clyde Edwards
Hilaire back in my rankings because of no preseason and
then Williams opts out and now it's like, Okay, well
he's going to get the majority of that the workload
that Williams was receiving. So I think he gets a
slight bump up. I have him out at RB seven.
I haven't at like RB ten, I think beforehand. So

(22:26):
I was really high on him to begin with. There's
no reason to doubt that he can finish as a
top twelve running back this season. Though Joe I had
him at RB nineteen. I've now got him at RB five.
Is that too high? And I think it is too
high because I think when you got to talk about
the talent level that we already know for sure, and
here's the thing, It's like, I don't want to put
a layer into the same grouping of say Quon Parkley

(22:47):
and Ezekiel Elliott, no matter how much you love the offense.
I think you also have to think about who the
offense runs through and is the quarterback Mahomes he likes
to throw the ball steal and it's not that Hilaire
can't obviously catch the ball too and and be great.
He can. He's gonna get eighty receptions if he's the
clear cut starter. It's possible. Well here's the thing he
could finish there, But I don't know if I want
to draft him there. And I think that's you know,

(23:08):
he is still rookie, and I think you have to
temper that. That means you like it more than Derek Henry,
I means like more than Jovin. You like him more
than Dalvin Cook. It made me like it more than
Alvin Kamara. Julio Jones, like, you know, you gotta go
number five overall. I'm sorry RB five. So if Dalvin
Cook ends his hold out, I'll move Cook up. I've
got Kamara higher for sure. I guess here's my point

(23:28):
about about that is that I think your best case
scenario now, like in raz Ball, I just saw him
go yesterday in my ras Bol draft in the second round.
Almost immediately after that news hit, I would say an
hour later, somebody took him in the second round, and
I think that's a great value there where they got him.
I think you could push him as early as somewhere
about I don't know, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, somewhere in

(23:49):
the bottom part of a draft, because on the turn
you can get somebody else pretty darn good and mitigate
your risk potentially a little bit there, which I would
like to do. I'd like to back him up immediately
just because it is unknown, and I don't think he
is even though the opportunity for points is there. I
don't think he is a transcendent back the way Ezekiel
Elio or sae Quon Barkley is. I don't want to
conflate those two things. Just because they're scoring opportunity doesn't

(24:09):
make him that kind of talent that's transformative of an offense.
But I think there's no doubt about it. He is
the guy now, and there's no doubt about it that
paying premium for him now is worth it now way
more than it was twenty four hours ago. He'll be
gone in the first round in every single league. And
let's not forget I mean Kareem Hunt, who's very good,
but I don't think he's as good as Clyde Edwards
Hilaire was in college. Kareem Hunt as a rookie in

(24:31):
this offense was the RB three. You're talking to the
president of the fan club there, because I got all
the Kareem Hunt shares even this year. So but yeah,
anything's possible with Andy Reid in that offense for sure. Yeah,
really quick, I'll just say, like, I don't think that
the difference between Kareem Hunt and Clyde Edwards Hilaire is
that Kareem Hunt is a heavier back, a bigger back,
so you're not like he was able to absorb more
of a workload on the ground. Clyde Edward Hilaire is

(24:53):
going to be heavily involved through the air. I have
him down for two hundred rush attempts, which is kind
of a round what like think of Alvin Kamara, Like
that's kind of where what he always does. Yeah, right,
Like those kind of numbers are what I'm expecting for
Clyde Edwards Hilaire because Edward Hilaire's five eight two oh seven,
I think off the top of my head, So you
know this, he's not going to be someone who takes,
you know, two hundred fifty carries. That's I think what

(25:15):
could get him to an RB three finish. I think
he's still going to be in kind of that other tier,
but yeah, I think he's a back end of the
first round pick for sure. Yeah, Brian Westbrook was about
the same size for what it's worth. That's who's been
camped to a better version of Brian Westbrook. But you're
right about kareemhat being a little bit bigger now Clyde
Edwards Hilary, Sure, I'll probably end up having some shares.
But the running back that I really want out of

(25:37):
Kansas City now is not Darwin Thompson. It's Deandrew Washington.
I mean in Oakland's offense last year, he came in
there and he started three games. What do you do
ninety six yards in a score? He went one hundred
and six yards and a score, and he won one
hundred and twenty two yards and in that time he
had sixteen receptions in three games. It's pretty dang good man. Yeah. No,

(25:58):
he's a great back. And so if you can if
you're in a deep dinasas I put this out on
Twitter the other day, if you're in a dynasty league,
and DeAndre Washington is still somehow on your waiver wire,
you got to be picking him up real quick in
the event that they don't sign a veteran running back.
They brought in Washington this offseason. You know, they didn't
bring him in in the event of an injury. They
intentionally went out and brought in DeAndre Washington. So that

(26:18):
means that they have a plan to use him, and
so he's now the clear cut backup because you're not
going to be relying on Darwin Thompson's Again, He's a
smaller back. He's not going to be someone who you know,
carries the ball two hundred plus times. You know, he
could be a factor in the receiving game. Sure, Elijah
McGuire I like him, but he's never going to be
that guy either. So DeAndre Washington absolutely could be. Yeah. Yeah, so, Yates,

(26:38):
you stole my guys, man, both of them. Those were
the two guys I was gonna go with Latavius Murray
and Entreat Cohen. I'm gonna have a lot of shares
of both of them. You guys just spend way too
much time together. Clearly, Seriously, I've got them at RB
twenty nine, in RB thirty, and as you said, each
of their ADPs are outside of RB forty. I believe
that's not so I'm gonna go ahead and bring up

(27:00):
Justin Jackson again. Justin Jackson is a guy that when
I watch him on tape, I'm like, dang, he might
be one of the most elusive backs in all of football.
He is super slippery and you can say, Okay, he's
not a big bat. Can he handle a big workload.
Nobody handled a bigger workload in college than Justin Jackson did.
And I get it's a little bit different in the NFL,
but he can run between the tackles. And Philip Lindsay

(27:20):
is much smaller than Justin Jackson. Justin Jackson's the same
size as Christian McCaffrey. Guys, he's a great pass catcher.
I'm not saying he's Christian McCaffrey. Nobody hearing me saying that.
But what I am saying is he can handle this
Melvin Gordon load. And I think that Austin Eckler is
going to stay in his same role. Now. Austin Ekeler
is not coming off the field. He's gonna move to
the slot, just like he did last year when Melvin
Gordon was there. But I think Justin Jackson's gonna be

(27:41):
out Joshua Kelly, and I think he's gonna be a
weekly starter in fantasy football leagues as the flex. I
hope so, because I could definitely see that happening. And
I think he's one of those guys that you just
see you and when you're in drafts, he just keeps
floating and floating and floating, and you keep looking at
him going, you know, you really could write the narrative here.
He does not float in my dress, I'll tell you that,
but in a lot of the ones in the moks

(28:01):
I've been and he does, and he does because of
the looming presence of the rookie. But I think when
you consider where we're at with training camp and where
we're at with preseason games and lack thereof both, man,
it's hard not to think that he has the edge
in the upper hand. Now he's got to make the
most of the time that he gets early in the season.
But I think in terms of you know, heading into
the season, having on your roster is much better than

(28:22):
not because I'd rather have him than have to go
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All right, guys, so here's the thought exercise. I want
you to imagine every single starting running back in football
goes down for the season at the same exact time
for the entire year. All right, who goes number one
overall in your drafts? Every starting running back is hurt.
So basically, who's the best backup running back? If his

(29:28):
guy was okay, that's the question. Was the best backup
running back if he's the starter? You think it's Kareem Hunt. Yeah,
I think it's Tony Pollard. I can understand why you
think that, but I'm gonna go with Kareem Hunt because
I've seen him do it. Well, you just said a
couple you know, minutes ago, you said number three overall. Yeah,
that wasn't that long ago? Is two years? You're right,
it wasn't that long ago. It's a bad offensive line,

(29:49):
a decent offense that've got a run heavy call. Yeah, hey, hey,
bad offensive line. We just had the almost you know,
rushing leader with Nick Jobbs. That's right, because Nick Chubb
is absolutely incredible and he did it even with Kareem
Hunt there. And Kareem Hunt can catch the ball on
third down. But they've got a lot of other weapons too.
This is a slow paced team. Dallas led the league
in yards per play last year. They've got maybe the

(30:09):
best offensive line in football. There have no competition whatsoever.
Behind Tony Pollard. He is the direct backup. He's the
three down game script proof bell cow back and if
he if I'm telling you right now, if Zekiel Elliott
opted out of the season, I would be drafting Tony
Pollard in the top five, ahead of Clyde Edwards, Hilaire Yates,
I'm accepting Bobby's trade in our Laker. Did you really

(30:32):
accepted it? Yeah, I'm accepting that Bobby. Bobby messaged me
about the Ryan Tannehill. He sent over a trade offers.
I got Tannehill, baby woo wow live. I was like,
what's going on here? Why the why was it that
moment there where it was silence? I was waiting for
Yates and I hear a click click click click. That's
all I hear. Let's take through here. This is this

(30:53):
is live action happening right now on the show. I
just traded away Ryan Tannehill, Mikole Hardman, and Adam Thielan
for Tom Brady, Alan Robinson or Rob Gronkowski. Right, it's
a dynasty league. It's a dynasty dynasty is super Flex League? Okay, Well,
somebody's going in for this year. I'm mean I already
have the best team this year. I don't need Tom
Brady and Rob Gronkowski to win the championship. That was fantastic.

(31:13):
That was fantastic, Bobby. That was my first ever live trade.
I knew you'd love Alan Robinson, dude, so I had
to throw him in there. And I like Adam THELN
So this is the benefit. This is the benefit of
us doing so many shows together. Right, So, Tony Pollard,
if if Ezekiel Elliot opted out for the season, where
would you draft Tony Pollard? I said, I draft him
number five, ahead of Clyde Edwards, Hilaire, Dalvin Cook, Joe Mixon.

(31:35):
Actually he'd be number four because Zeke would be out. Obviously.
I don't know if he's going to get the full workload,
though I would expect them to bring in someone. So
I think if we're just talking about him getting the
full workload, sure, then you know, yeah, I can I
can see the argument, but I doubt that they give
I doubt they give him that full workload. Do you
remember what happened last year when Zeke was holding out
in the preseason, Every single snap with the first team,

(31:58):
Tony Pollard was there. Oh, he's amazing. I'm not I'm
doubting that, Like, I'm not questioning his talent. I think
I think Dallas showed us what they plan on doing
if Zeke's out. His contact balance is incredible. But what
I'm I'm just saying from a fantasy numbers like Zeke
carries the ball a ridiculous amount of right and he
gets a ton of work out of the backfield. I
just don't see that happened. I don't think people appreciate
how good Ezekiel Elliott is, how durable he is right,

(32:21):
and everybody just kind of thinks that it's the workload
of the cowboys, but really it's the workload of Ezekiel Elliott.
And I think that's the thing when you're when you're
dropping down from Elliott to whoever the next guy is
in this case is Pollard, that's the thing you have
to keep in mind. Like he is not Elliott. So
even though he could be good, Ezekiel Elliott is great,
and he's great in the circumstances. And I'm kind of
with Kindle just a bit where I feel like, yeah,

(32:43):
they think, you know, they would spread it around a
little bit more than people realize or more importantly than
people would want. See. I disagree because I think if
you put Alvin Kamara on the Cowboys, Joe Mixon, Dalvin Cook,
Derrick Henry, Aaron Jones, Miles Sanders, Josh Jacob's, Nick Chubb,
if you put any of those guys in the Cowboys,
they're all better than Ezekiel Elliot. I don't know about
all of them. Some of them would be as good,
but I don't know about all of them. Okay, all right,

(33:04):
Well anyway, Tony Pollard is my guy. I'm getting him
in every single league. Latavius Murray in the eighth or ninth,
Tony Pollard in the next round. And let's roll baby. Okay.
So that's all the running backs wide receiver time, and Joe,
you are first this time. All right. So here's the
three wide receivers here. And look, I'm gonna start with
a guy who shouldn't be outside the top one hundred,

(33:25):
but he is right now because of the injury. And
I'm going to take the risk on him at one
twelve in the half PPR. And that's deebos Amuel. I
love me some tebout and I think he is by
far the best wide receiver in on this team, and
I think he fits so well with Kyle Shanahan what
they like to do. He's so good at, you know,
running those slants over the middle, and he's so good at,
you know when they like run those little end rounds

(33:46):
and other things they like to do with him, and
you know, get the ball in his hands. And I
understand the injury is frustrating, and I understand it gives
you pause, and I understand why it's knocking him down,
and there is risk, but the reward with the guy
who's this good, who would have been going in the
fourth or fifth round of depending on how deep your
draft was, now all of a sudden, going outside the
top one hundred, I think you take that risk. I
think it's a league winner. And I would also say

(34:06):
it's easier to sustain this kind of an injury on
your team early on this year, because there's gonna be
a lot of new names popping up and a lot
of new guys who are going to get drafted and
replaced because somebody's gonna be out for two weeks, or
somebody's gonna be hurt, or some other issue pops up.
So you can afford to wait a little bit on
debot more this year than any ever before in my opinion,
so I think that he's worth the risk. Where he is.

(34:27):
The next guy for me is Preston Williams again volume,
and I also wants that thinks that two is going
to play more than than other people do. And we've
already had this conversation on this show. He's just such
a ferocious competitor. I think he's going to compete his
way into starting more games, and that's good news for Williams.
And the third guy is Ceedee Lamb at one forty seven.
Who you know, I think everyone's looking around and go, oh,

(34:49):
there's not enough mouths to feed. But you know what,
Randall Cobb at eight hundred yards receiving in this offense,
Jason Witten left behind ninety targets. Yeah, And I just
I have a hard time believing that a talent like Lamb.
I don't think he's be consistent, but I think there
will be some moments of productivity that you're gonna be
happy you had him and you threw him in there
to cover a week or whatever. And at one forty
seven it doesn't I mean, God forbid, there is an

(35:11):
injury to Cooper or an injury to Michael Gallup or
something like that. You're talking about a guy and a
talent that has the talent of a number one wide receiver.
And how many guys can you say that about? Who
are the number three? Usually you're a number three for
a reason. On the Cowboys, he's a number three because
a circumstance right now, and you can argue even you
know next year, who might be the best quote unquote
talented receiver on the Cowboys is. I'm a big fan

(35:32):
of Lamb what he brings. And I think between Deebo Samuel,
between Williams and Lamb that those three guys are all
really good post one hundred wide receivers. It's what do
you think about these three man? I like him, I
like Lamb. I think that from the perspective of he
could have some value right And Joe qualified it there
by saying that I think he's someone that in potential shootouts,

(35:52):
like roll him into your lineup because he's gonna he's
gonna be involved, and he could see a massive amount
of targets. If it's a game that they're expected to
win and they're going to rely on zeke A lot.
Then you know, he might only see four targets. He's
probably not going to be someone that you want to
rely on as a wide receiver three or flex played
that week. But as far as the talent level Ceedee
Lamb's got it. And then he comes with that upside
of if something does happen to Amari Cooper Michael Gallop,

(36:14):
My goodness, gracious, we're talking about a guy who could
see on hundred fifty targets. I think. Yeah, with Deebo,
I'm I'm unlikely to have in his stare. I can
hang on to him for five weeks. I just I'm
not playing this game anymore where I'm optimistic about these
early season injuries. Yeah, the thing with Debo is that
I think he's going to be valuable when he comes back.
We just don't know when that's going to be so,
but the benefit is that his ADP is falling drastically.

(36:36):
There are a lot of people that just don't want
to play that game. Like you said, Bobby, I'm one
of them too. So if he is there with your
last pick, you know, fifteenth round, fourteenth round, absolutely take him,
you know, stash him on your IR. If he's listed
as out and you know your ir can can support
that then absolutely. You know, you think about how many
people spent a pick on Karee Hunt last year just
to wait for week ten. Oh right, that was ridiculous

(36:56):
though Hunt was useful, and I think Debo is this
one thing where he I don't think it's gonna take
him that long as you know for Hunt, like the
these a week ten thing necessarily at this point, I
mean we thought we thought Ada Green was coming back
in week two. Well that was a very scary situation
because every week we kept waiting and waiting and there
was a zero news about it, zero updates, zero news.

(37:18):
And that was the most bizarre thing I've ever seen.
I mean, usually there's more news than you could shake
a stick at when a guy's hurt. Now it was
like nothing on aj Green and that was very, very peculiar.
But with Debo, look again, if you wait long enough,
is this a guy worth waiting for it? They can
be a difference maker in your lamp. And I think
the answer to that is actually yes, it is. It
is relative though how far he drops in your draft? Absolutely,

(37:40):
that's for sure. That's the one caveat there, all right,
it's your term buddy three wide receivers that are sleepers
outside the top one hundred and ADP. Yeah, I'm gonna
go well outside the top one hundred. I'm gonna mention
Michael Pittman, junior rookie wide receiver USC coming into the
Indianapolis Colts. He is going to be on the field.
We're talking about him as a big body at six four,
two hundred and twenty three pounds, He's gonna be someone

(38:00):
that is on the field, and in that instance, you
want this guy, especially with someone like Philip Rivers airing
the ball out downfield. Michael Pittman is incredible downfield contested catchability,
deep ball tracking. He excels at both of them. He
can go up and get the football and he's going
to be a factor in the red zone too. So
for him to be going outside the top sixty wide
receivers ECR, especially in ECR two wide receiver sixty one

(38:23):
ADP of wide receiver sixty two, I have him at
wide receiver thirty. So like guys like this is someone
who I think as far as a ranking difference between
myself and the industry, this might be the biggest difference.
This biggest gap because I am all in on Michael
Pittman junior this year. I think he's going to see
over one hundred targets easy. He's extremely NFL ready, man.
I mean you talk about not just catching the ball,

(38:43):
but going out there and blocking. This dude is a machine. Yeah,
They're they're super excited to have him in Indianapolis. I mean,
go watch any of those like post draft reaction videos,
you know from the coaching staff and Chris ballor They're
they're extremely excited to have him, and I understand it.
You know, he was someone who I was a big
fan of watching his college tape. The next guy I'll
bring up is Robbie Anderson. Robbie Anderson in now in Carolina.

(39:06):
When we're talking about Robbie Anderson, it has to come
with the qualification that he has to win the number
two wide receiver job in Carolina, which I think he
can do. I think he can beat out Curtis Samuel.
DJ Moore is going to be the target hog in
this offense, no question about it. But there is going
to be enough passing volume to support the number two
and potentially even the number three wide receiver in this

(39:26):
offense from a target's perspective. Robbie Anderson has the talent.
It's always been there. He's just been underutilized in New York.
And there are other qualified there are other things that
we can talk about, other factors, but those are things
that you can sit in nitpick. If this guy's going
within the top twenty wide receivers, the top thirty wide receivers,
he's ECR wide receiver fifty seven, adp of wide receiver fifty,
he's well outside the top one hundred picks. And so

(39:48):
in this instance, he is absolutely worth taking the flyer on.
If I'm wrong, if I with if I didn't get
it right with Robbie Anderson, he's the number three wide
receiver in this offense. If you know, if they run
the ball more than I'm expecting, the okay, I can
cut him. I can move on from him easily. But
this is someone who I want a lot of shares
of this year because I think he's going to be
a fantastic fit in this offense. Yeah, Robbie Anderson. So

(40:09):
in the last three years, wide receiver seventeen, wide receiver
thirty six, wide receiver thirty eight. He gets it done
year and in year out before we go to your
last one. I want peas a Pia's perspective. I'm Robbie
Anderson and Michael Pittman. Pittman's a guy that I've taken
a lot in the later picks because I kind of
see what Kyle does in terms of the talent, in
terms of look, you look at Philip Rivers and everyone

(40:30):
wants to knock him. He's going from one of the
worst offensive lines and one of the best. And I
understand he's older, but this is a guy who's always
throwing for over four thousand yards and t Y Hilton's
health is always questionable, and I think we have to
keep that in mind. There there could be a point
in the season where you have to lean on Pittman.
And if that happens for you and you own him
and they have to lean on Pittman a little bit,
all of a sudden, he becomes a really interesting pick

(40:51):
in terms of a play, in terms of where you
might get the targets going. And you can get him
eight nine targets in a game a couple weeks in
a row Man, that's great, and we all know t
I can miss a month at a clip. That that's
happened before, so I think that's something to keep in mind.
And I'll tell you what, I'll throw my two cents
on Anderson too. This is another one where Bridgewater doesn't
throw a great deep ball. But I think they are
going to be behind in games. I think that defense

(41:12):
is very young. They're very young, and they're gonna get exposed.
And I think they've got talent, but youth is going
to show its head. I think a little bit there
with that defense this year, and it's going to be
a learning curve, and I think that means that there's
going to be at least opportunities for a guy like
Robbie Anderson when you need to kind of push the
ball forward. And I think when you're running the narrative
of the Panthers this year, Robbie Anderson healthy in the

(41:33):
number two spot makes a lot of sense with a
late pick in, and Kyle's right, if he's no good,
if he's not that guy, after a few weeks, you
just cut him and it's no harm, no foul. I
can't get excited about Robbie Anderson because I'm in Curtis
Samuel guy and I just don't really see the upside
with Robbie Anderson and Michael Pittman. Like I think he's polished.
I think he's probably gonna outperforms ADP. But I don't
want to reach for him just because again I don't
really see the upside here. They've got t Y Hilton,

(41:54):
they've got Paris Campbell, and I'm a Paris s Cambell guy.
I think that Michael Pittman, he's going to be really liable,
but as like a wide receiver five type, I understand
why you're excited about him. However, he yates, you got
one more player, and then I'm gonna give my three
wide receivers and we'll all move over and talk about
our tight ends. Sure, I'll mentioned Jamison Crowder, and we
just talking about a guy who is from the New
York Debts. So I'm going to continue and double back

(42:15):
to the New York Jets offense because we're looking at
Denzel Mims, a rookie out of Baylor. He was someone
who I actually wasn't super impressed with on tape. Obviously,
I see the flashes, I see, you know, incredible hands
and receiving ability, but he wasn't polished by any means.
He's more of a raw wide receiver. Yeah. I was
super impressed when I thought he was like a fourth
round wide receiver, and then he got drafted in they
were talking about him in the first Yeah, there were

(42:37):
actually rumors that he was going to go in the
back end of the first round, which I was all,
I would not on board with that. So he falls
a little bit into the second round and the Jets
take him, and they have a needed wide receiver for sure,
But without a preseason Denzel Mims's adjustment, his acclamation period
is not going to be, you know, where it needs
to be for him to be reliable for fantasy football
right out of the gate. Breshad Perriman is the other

(42:57):
wide receiver in this offense. Have we been talking about
Chad Perriman as a fantasy relevant wide receiver for any
point over the last several years outside of that, you
know what, six weeks stretch in Tampa Bay. No, So
I think that he can certainly, you know, continue that
stretch with Sam Darnold and that can certainly continue on,
but you don't want to rely on that. I don't
want not projecting that. So Jamison Crowder, the slot receiver

(43:19):
in this offense and Adam Gas's offense has always been dominant,
has always just seen a ton of volume. And when
you're talking about a player who's in outside the top
forty and wide receivers, he's close so wide receiver forty
nine and adp So when you're talking about this, I'm
looking for volume. I'm looking for these guys who are
I should be getting James I should be having the
draft Jamison Crowder as a top as a wide receiver

(43:40):
thirty six, you know, at wide receiver thirty six or
something like that. I'm getting him fifteen spots later if
I'll take that. If he's healthy, he'll be a top
thirty six wide receiver. Now I don't see the upside.
So I've got him as a wide receiver four. I
think he's a great wide receiver four if you need
somebody that you can rely on. Now, I love Brashred
Perriman and I mentioned this before. We saw him for
five weeks last year, and in those five weeks he

(44:01):
had ninety three point four Fantasy points. The only other
wide receivers at any stretch in the season for five
weeks to beat that Mike Evans, A J. Brown Devanta Parker,
Cup Cooper, Tyreek Hill, Michael Thomas, and Chris Godwin. I
mean Brashad Perriman was incredible in those weeks, man, and
that was the That was the only five weeks that

(44:22):
we saw out of him. So I'm gonna buy some
lottery tickets. Man. He was actually one of the three
I was gonna bring up, but since you trashed him,
I had to defend him. Here. Well, somebody's gonna be right.
I'm not both of you. I can tell you that
right now is enough Jets offense for both of you. Guys.
Dan Harris is going to be very upset with you
for saying. Actually, he'll probably agree because he's like a
one of those feel bad for himself Jets fans. Jets

(44:45):
fans know, they know, they know by now they know
the score. Okay, all right, guys, I'm going Sammy Watkins
as my number one. And some of these are gonna
make you cringe, but I'm all about these post type sleepers.
Do you remember last year Devanta Parker and everyone was
calling as it. It's because we were like, dude, get
Davante Parker in every single league whenever he's on the field,
he's actually really good. Sammy Watkins isn't as good as

(45:06):
we expect him to be. But Sammy Watkins when he
was on the field last year through eight games, was
a top ten Fantasy wide out. And then he came
back healthy for the Plaffs and guess what he out
produced Tyreek Hill. There's some big upside here with Sammy Watkins,
a former top five NFL draft pick. I'm getting him
at easy. That number is skewed, by the way because
of how big his Week one was like, but I
mean that happens. That happens to every receiver. Tyree Hill

(45:29):
has some some really big weeks. Every wide receivers has.
You're right, how many wide receivers outside of the top
fifty five right now have been in the top ten
in Fantasy for an eight game stretch? None of them
except for him and Antonio Brown. Who's my next guy,
Antonio Brown? Book. I get it he retired for the

(45:49):
third time in eighteen months, just a couple of weeks ago.
But I think there's probably fifteen twenty percent Chancey changes
his mind in place. There's gonna be a suspension, right
and we don't know if he's still really good after
a year off. But he's at least going to be
a wide receiver two in the weeks that he plays.
And who else has a twenty percent chance at being
a wide receiver two going this late. Nobody not even close.

(46:10):
So Sammy Watkins, Antonio Brown and the third cringeworthy wide
receiver Corey Davis, another guy picked in the top ten
last year at this time. That just makes me sad,
I know it, does it? Yeah? Yeah? And it made
me sad about Tavanta Parker this time last year too.
They're very similar wide receivers. Davis has flashed at times.
He destroyed Stefan Gilmore a couple of years back. He

(46:30):
was great in the playoffs, and those don't show up
in the stats. However, Corey Davis just didn't really get
the targets last year. Maybe he was dealing with an injury.
They didn't throw the ball as much, maybe they throw
the ball more. All I know is is a very
talented wide receiver, and last year the Titan said he's
by far our best wide receiver. Now A. J. Brown
was obviously better, but for them to think that highly
of Corey Davis, He's going to be on the field
all the time I mentioned that when Tannehill took over,

(46:52):
this was the number one offense in football in terms
of points per game. And we're talking about a guy
who's gonna be in the field eighty ninety percent of
the time with all this talent. Fourth year the league,
he's still young. All the athleticism saw me up for
Corey Davis, Sammy Watkins and Antonio Brown who wants to
blast me first, I'll blast you on AB if you're
gonna if you're gonna have questions about Debo like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

(47:14):
but he's not Antonio Brown, Man, he's not. But one
of them is going to play at some point. And look, yes,
it's a fun lottery ticket. You're absolutely right. And the
deeper leagues, I get it. I totally understand, you know,
taking the shot there. And I never believe it when
he says he's done, because he says he's done all
the time, and then he keeps trying to come back,
and Lamar Jackson's trying to get him right now, baby,

(47:36):
I know, I know all the families, the fans trying
to get him in the door, and I get all that. Look,
I think what you're talking about, these are darth Row guys.
These are guys that you can cut immediately if it
doesn't work out. And then you know, to a certain extent,
a lot of these guys are we're talking about. But
but the whole point is of this discussion is finding
you know, people lose attention spanning drafts. You know, your
casual mom and pop, you know, Fantasy league. You know,

(47:59):
once you get out of the first you know, seven
eight rounds, people start to gloss over a little bit,
some of them. And that's your opportunity to go after this,
and that's your opportunity to get a lot of these
names on your team. And if two of the five hit,
that's amazing, you know, all of a sudden, that's transcendent,
that wins you a league, that gets you into the playoffs.
And I think that's why it's important to have these
conversations because there's a lot of there's a lot of

(48:20):
negative and this is going back to the Black Book
and stuff. There's literal negative potential players in this pool
that we're talking about post one hundred that are basically
like lighting your pick on fire. Whereas some of these
you might light it on fire, but some of them
could actually be fire for your roster. And that's the
difference between those two ideas. And that's fair. And I
think some of these names are and some of the
talent is he ate any comments on those three. I mean,

(48:40):
I'm going to tell the people that are listening on
the podcast go watch our episode over at YouTube dot
com slash Fantasy Pros because my reaction when you said
Antonio Brown is worth seeing because that was just not
what I was expecting. I was not expecting that name
to come out of your mouth at all. I don't
like that. I just don't see it. I mean, when

(49:01):
you're talking about this suspension for AB, I mean, we
need to remember just how off the freaking rails this
dude went last year. Like the NFL is going to
come down hard on this guy, and we could be
talking about an eight game suspension, ten game suspension, Like
the stuff that he pulled last year was just not
good and not a good look for the NFL. So
the NFL is going to be, you know, making sure

(49:21):
that that's felt right, that he feels that suspension. So
even if I don't think he even gets signed because
of it, like the NFL is going to drag their
feet on this suspension news. The AB's already talking about, hey,
speed this up, NFL. The NFL is not going to
respond to that. The NFL is going to drag their
feet even more so, NFL teams are not willing to
sign AB because there's this suspension hanging over his head.

(49:42):
They don't know what it even is. That's the case.
I just don't I'm passing, man. I don't want if
he signs and he's on the waiver wire, like if
he signs halfway through the year and it's only a
four game suspension whatever, then sure I'll pick him up
at that point. I'll put you know, significant fab money
down if he signs in a good spot. But yeah,
I just don't want to draft him this year. I
want the lottery ticket. Baby, We're going tight end in

(50:03):
just a second. I want to update you guys though,
because I posted a pole who won the trade between
Yates and I were two hundred and sixty eight votes
in already, all right, exactly fifty fifty tie, dude? Oh really? Yeah?
All right, let's go to the tight end position. Joe
your first again. All right, I'm gonna I'm staying on
this wagon and I'm not getting off of it now.
I'm gonna go with Noah Fant. Young quarterbacks always tend

(50:25):
to check down a look for the tight ends. I
think No A Fan showed you some glimpses last year
as a rookie, and a lot of rookie tight ends
don't even show you that. And I think, all of
a sudden, you have two very capable wide receivers that
you really have to pay attention to in the secondary
with Courtland Suton and Jerry Judy, who's a phenomenal talent.
Is Locke the greatest quarterback in the world now? Of
course not. But I think no offense is going to
have a lot of open middle field to work with.

(50:45):
I think the running game is really good, and I
think Fan could be a nice little safety blanket and
a guy who would just finish right around tight end
eleven or twelve potentially, And I think that's perfectly fine
by me. And I think it's gonna have some upside
for some touchdowns of the red zone too, looking at
this roster in the way it's built. So for me,
it's no a fan that one seventeen and a half
point PPR. Overall, there's a few tight ends actually in

(51:07):
this range I think are worth a shot on. I
think that's a great call. Who are the other names,
because I mean we're gonna say that the names that
we're gonna say regardless. Yeah, Well, Jarwin was another one
at one forty six, super late, especially in those tight
end premium leagues where maybe you think about that because
there's a Chad DA's always had a good history of
working with tight ends. So I mean, I know it's
been Witten and he's not Witten, but you know what
Darwin every Now it's funny because you watch the Cowboys

(51:28):
and then Jarwin catches the ball and you go, huh, yeah,
I wonder why they don't throw to him more, And
then you just realized that, like there's just not enough opportunity. Well,
all of a sudden, there is some opportunity, and it's
gonna be fascinating to see. And look, the guy that
I had everywhere last year because I didn't like the
tight end board going in was Jared Cook. And Jared
Cook was perfectly fine. So yet one dead. There's another
guy too. I think all three of those guys have
a chance to be right around eleven or twelve. All right,

(51:49):
Yates is your guy Johnny Smith, because if not, I'm
taking him as Johnny Smith. Well, he's like the guy
of our podcast. Right. If we went on Johnny Smith,
everyone's gonna be Yeah, it's gonna be a law. But
then again, like you're getting him for free. You're getting
him for free. He's a sleeper with upside. If it
doesn't work, you cut him and you play the streaming
game just like half the league, right exactly, that's the

(52:10):
benefit with Johnny Smith. I said this on another podcast,
you know, I was saying, like if I miss on
Johnny Smith, if I'm just completely wrong, if I whiff,
then like I'll bear that completely, like I will be
the first to admit that I just was wrong. But
then also, like it's not like you're spending a top
six pick for you know, Johnny Smith at the tight
end position right like you're you're getting him at tighten
sixteen right now. So he's this potential breakout just like

(52:31):
we identified Mark Andrews and Darren Waller last year. So
Johnny Smith for sure has all the athletic ability in
the world. He's just needed the opportunity and I think
he can get it this year. The other guy I'll
mention Bobby. I'm not sure if you were going to
mention him or not. Is Hayden Hurst. I mean, Hayden
Hurst is still somehow like at tight end twelve and
thirteen and ECR and ADP respectively. Well, I just we
just can't bring him up the ADP ranks at all.

(52:53):
And I don't get it. He's in an incredible opportunity.
He's a great talent, just been stuck behind Mark Andrews
in Baltimore, Yeah, exactly. In Atlanta, definitely, and thinks he's
a great talent because they dreaded a second round pick
for him. By the way, if we go down on
Johnny Smith, you know who else is with us? Bill Belichick,
who said that John UW. Smith last year was already
one of the best tight ends in the league. Yeah. Wow,
that's that's high praise, pretty high praise man from him,

(53:15):
Old Bill. My player is Dallas Bill did Dallas Goddard.
I'm gonna have a lot of shares of him, because
you guys know me, when I'm building my bench, I
want the potential league winners, those upside guys, and it's
almost always running backs. I'm gonna have a few wide
receivers mixed in every year, I never have a tight end.
This year, I'm having Dallas Goddard because even in the
fifteen games that zach Ertz played last year, Goddard still

(53:37):
finished as a top ten Fantasy tight end. He's gonna
be in that neighborhood again. But if Earth were to
miss time, we'd be talking about Goddard is potentially a
top three tight end right away. I mean, let's just
say this, Let's say Earth's opts out. Where would you
draft him? Guys after Kelsey Kittle. I don't know if
I'd put him behind Andrews. He's writing that range for me.
That's a good question. That's a good way to look

(53:57):
at it. Yeah, I think I might. I think you
might be that range. Goddard was under consideration for me too.
With this, it's just again the orange I didn't put
him on there is because right now, you know you
have to have that happened for him to become what
you want. Like there's that caveat in there still, and
there's other guys like Johnny Smith, like Jared Cook no
a fan, who are Jarwin? Who are that guy already?
Who are the tight end one. I'm not drafting Goddard

(54:19):
to be my tight end. I'm drafting Goddar is a
backup upside lottery ticket. Well, here's here's a silly question.
I'll ask it out loud. If you have hurts, do
you want Goddard? Is that one of the few, Like
is that the only ever tight end handcuff sides maybe
Hernandez and Gronkowski in the day. Yeah, I don't care
for direct handcuffs, so it doesn't matter to me, but
I do want god it regardless. And I don't know

(54:39):
what's kind of but if you put it, but you
put a draft stock a high like a third round pick,
if you went that high with arts and not everyone
wants to do that anymore. But if you did, man,
that's a big investment. I feel like you gotta almost
protect it because if he goes down, the chances of
you hitting on all those other wide receivers and running
backs later on is questionable. Like you need productivity from
tight end to stay afloat. Sure, it's what do you

(55:00):
think then? The only way that I would be looking
at Dallas Goddard as like a handcuff right quote unquote
to Zach Ertz would be if, like we were talking
about early on in this episode, if there were extended
bench spots, right, if it's a traditional fourteen round you know,
maybe even fifteen round league. I'm probably not looking at Goddard.
But if there is additional spots where I can roster
two tight ends, then absolutely. All right, guys, that is

(55:22):
all for today's show, Joe, anything else you want to
throw in there? Man? Well, first of all, it's always
a pleasure jazz baby, guys, and I hope everyone has
enjoyed the show here. We had a live trade happen.
It's amazing things, just crazy stuff. You're as always, but no, man,
it's it's always fun to talk football with you, guys,
and I appreciate the time here. And I love my
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(56:07):
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