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July 2, 2020 • 69 mins

We break down every single mid-round RB and share our insight on who we prefer and which backs we'd rather stay away from. Can Devin Singletary (10:15) overcome his lack of opportunity and does Raheem Mostert (28:01) have RB1 upside? Later on, our trio examines how Cam Newton (41:57) might fare in New England and they end the show by analyzing each coaching change in the NFL (56:14) and how they will impact their team's respective offenses and fantasy football as a result.

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James Conner - 0:04:52 Mark Ingram - 0:07:02 Devin Singletary - 0:10:15 Zack Moss - 0:10:44 David Johnson - 0:14:41 Jonathan Taylor - 0:17:47 Chris Carson - 0:18:48 David Montgomery - 0:24:03 Raheem Mostert - 0:28:02 Cam Akers - 0:35:50 Derrius Guice - 0:36:46 D'Andre Swift - 0:37:20 Kareem Hunt - 0:37:20 Sony Michel - 0:39:27 Damien Williams - 0:40:10 Cam Newton - 0:41:58 Joe Burrow - 0:47:56 Alexander Mattison - 0:51:06 Tarik Cohen - 0:52:01 James White - 0:53:40 Devonta Freeman - 0:55:45 Austin Hooper - 0:58:51 David Njoku - 0:58:51 Jarvis Landry - 0:59:37 Odell Beckham - 0:59:37

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Speaker 1 (00:15):
Everyone, Welcome into the Finnish Brows Football Podcast. I'm your
host Bobby Sylvester, joined as always by Mike Taglier. And
it's a great show today because we've got Kyle Yates too.
What's going on, Fellas, nothing much, It's good to be back.
I'm sorry I missed last show. I was having a
roof done, and if anybody's ever had a roof installed,
you know how loud it can get. I kid you not.
I thought someone was going to fall through my house

(00:36):
and like into my office. I really thought that was
gonna happen. And they also started at like six forty
five in the morning, which was not idea. It's cool, man,
it wasn't. But I didn't know what to say. I'm like,
these guys are on the roof, They're like out there
slaving in like ninety degree weather. I'm not gonna go
ou there and yell at him. So yeah, well, the
joke's on you because you missed out on a great
show because we had Joe Pisa peon and we just
had a big old party. Yates. It was a blast,

(00:58):
wasn't it. Man? That was you two. You are very loud.
I will say that you two are very loud when
you get together. Yeah, it gets real loud there. Yeah, well,
I mean, what do you expect, man, We're trying to
have fun here. I want to tell you what we're
talking about today. Okay, we're talking about mid tier targets
at the running back position. You know what, Let's not

(01:18):
even talk about the targets. Let's talk about everybody in
that round five to round eight dish range. And then
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get in the football in just a second. But I
just posted something on Twitter and I gotta get your input. Okay,
So I posted my top ten sandwich toppings power rankings
first of all tags, Yates, what's your number one? And
I put steak And I've got a lot of people

(03:25):
tell me steak is not a sandwich topping topping? Oh
I hate you guys. What is wrong with you? That
is a sandwich? How does that in any way a topping?
You've never had a steak sandwich. I've had a steak sandwich.
It's called a steak sandwich, right, So it's a sandwich topping.
It's not a topping, Dude. Topping is something that goes
on top of the meat. Dude, meat and cheese count

(03:47):
as toppings. A toppings like mustard, like horseradish, all that
stuff that's top. No, no, no, no no no, it's
anything that goes inside of the sandwich. Okay, So what's
your number one then? Of anything that goes inside the sandwich?
Maybe I just need a phrase differently, Sorry, guys, what's
the best sandwich? You should say? Then? Yeah, well, the
best sandwich has like ten toppings in it. No, I'm
not going to power in ten different sandwiches with ten

(04:09):
different toppings in them. I'm all down with an Italian sub,
Italian subs or where it's at. I actually I really
dig like Quizzos and pot Bellies. Those are really really
good sandwiches. I know their franchises, and typically those are
terrible and Subway used to be good and then it
went downhill. But I like those sandwiches. I don't visit
a lot of high end delies or anything like that,
so I'm sure there's better sandwiches out there, but Italian

(04:30):
sub like Quiznos or pot Bellies fantastic yates. Would you
have horsemen man a meatball sub? You can't. I don't
think you can go wrong with a good meatball sub. Boring. Wow,
maybe you get pooped on my state coping thing. But
then I'm a sucker for just a good old fashioned
turkey melt or something like that. Man. I don't think
you can go wrong with that either. Sure. All right,

(04:52):
well let's talk some football. We've got twelve running backs
who are going in this range that we're going to
talk about today. First of all, mark Ingram, James Connor,
Devin Singletary. These three are back to back to back
in terms of ADP. Which of them do you prefer
most tags? I'm going to name them again, mark Ingram,
James Connor, Devin Singletary. Of those three, I'm gonna probably

(05:14):
take my shot with James Connor. As long as he's healthy,
He's a guy that's going to be a workhorse on
that team. That team scores plenty of fantasy points. And
if for whatever reason, they decided to drop the past
attempts with Ben Roethlisberger coming off the shoulder surgery, I
mean it's James Connor that would benefit. And if his
arm isn't as big as it used to be Ben
Roethlisberger's I'm speaking about, then James Connor is gonna get
some more of those dump off passes. I do believe

(05:34):
they're going to involve Anthony McFarland as like a Chris
Thompson type player, and that's fine. It might be better
for James Connor's health. But we've seen him perform as
a top twelve running back, and when he was on
the field last year, he was a top twelve running back.
It was just a matter of staying healthy. So I'm
going to go ahead and say that this one is
not even really that close for me. It's it's definitely
going to be James Conner. It's interesting because yesterday we

(05:54):
did a podcast with Joe or I guess it was
two days ago, and we were talking about players to avoid.
James Connor was one of the names that came up,
and tags was not here to defend him. Well, what
was what was said? What happened? Well, it's it's that
he's got some injury risk man that he's been he's
been dealing with this stuff, and um, we don't know
if he's going to continue to be this you know,
three down back. They went out and got Anthony McFarland. Well,

(06:16):
Mike Tomlin said that he's going to be the workhorse
as long as he's healthy. That's Mike Tomlin has already
come out and said that. So I believe Mike Tomlin.
They've always been a one back system. It hasn't been
like even better. He's one of these coaches that tends
to do what he says a lot of these coaches,
like if you hear Pete Carroll saying something right, do
the opposite because he's lying to you. Mike Tomlin tells
the truth. Yeah, I won't pretend that there's no I mean,
there's risk involved with James Connor hundred percent. Everybody knows

(06:38):
the risk involved with him. He's dealt with a lot
of injuries over his career. Kind of built into the
price though, right, Yeah, it is baked into the price
because if it wasn't like you'd see him going up
in the range of I would say around the thirteenth
or fourteenth running back off the board, right after the
guys like Miles Sanders, I would take him over Leonard Fournette.
If I knew that James Connor was going to play
all sixteen games, sure, yeah, I think I would do
the same. Well, if I knew he was gonna play

(06:59):
all sixteen games and continue to get all of these touches.
I think James Connor could be a top five or
six Fantasy football running back. If that's the case, I'm
a little bit worried about it though. Yeah, it's where
do you stand and do you like him more than
Singletary and Ingram. Yeah, it all depends on what you
need in that spot. Right, we're talking about mintier running backs.
You're talking about someone who you're potentially taking as your
RB two or RB three, depending on how the first

(07:19):
three rounds went. So I think if you need like stability,
if you need just someone who's going to be a
steady RB two, I think you need to be looking
at Mark Ingram because I think that he doesn't have
the ceiling that James Connor does because of JK. Dobbins
now being in town, and so I think, but he's
going to be the lead back in this system. He's
still going to get work plenty of scoring opportunities. We

(07:40):
know that he was insanely productive last year, and so
I think that if you need just someone who can
be that RB two steadily, then that's where you should
be looking. If you picked a safe option towards the
top of your draft and you need upside then James
Connor should be looking where you're looking because again, like
Tag said, he has insane upside if he can stay healthy.

(08:03):
I think it's a question with ever running back like
Canny stay healthy. I mean James Connor, I guess has
more injury risk than Ingram. But also Ingram's competing with JK. Dobbins,
who's really good. They had to first round grade on him.
Connor's competing with Anthony McFarland. Who else do they have
in that backfield? But he's honors the guy if he
stays healthy. I would much rather have Connor than Ingram.
And granted he's not my favorite of the group that

(08:24):
we're going to talk about today because my favorite guy
is a couple picks after these guys. But of these three, Ingram, Connor, Singletary,
I'm taking Connor. Yeah, I wanted to say something before
we get further into the show because I'm gonna reference
it throughout. I've been working on this, like stat to
go through like when a running back it's a carry
inside the five yard line, it's obviously worth a lot
more than when they're on their own twenty five yard line.
And I basically went through everything inside the ten inside

(08:46):
the twenty and then non red zone touches where their
touches took place, and basically figured out the opportunity that
was expected out of every single running back, wide receiver.
All that. So, running back is one of the most
predictable positions in terms of opportunity and where players actually
finished and how the best way for me to describe
this the top fourteen players and opportunity. There was just
one running back who did not finish top fourteen in

(09:09):
actual in fantasy football. That player was Levy on Bell,
who we all know was pretty terrible last year that
Jets team is probably is terrible. Still finishes the number
seventeen running back, but he had the eighth most opportunity.
So basically, your opportunity is a running back, it's not
going to veer too much from where you actually finished,
so we're looking for actual opportunity. Mark Ingram last year
was the number twenty three running back and opportunity. Again,

(09:32):
we know that he got some touches inside the red
zone and you're like, well, maybe those were worth more.
I went through every single touch and he was right
there alongside Marlon Mack and Miles Sanders and Miles Sanders.
As you know, Bobby did not have a big role
until the second half of the season, So mark Ingram
he finished number eight, but his actual expected outcome was
twenty three. And now you add JK. Dobbins to that backfield,

(09:52):
I am officially worried about mark Ingram. So there's like,
not only do you have Lamar Jackson do for some
rushing touchdown regression towards the mean where he should have
had twelve touchdowns last year on the ground instead of
the five that he did, and then you add in Dobbins.
Mark Ingram to me is like big, He's a flex
type player. For me, I'm not drafting. I'll take the
risk with Connor over someone like mark Ingram who's not

(10:14):
going to win you a fantasy title. Okay, so let's
talk about Devin Singletary. Then what do you think about
Devin Singletary? Tanks, I don't like him. Speaking of that
report in terms of opportunity, he ranked as the number
thirty three running back, right next to Peyton Barber. It
was terrible. Yeah, And the reason that Devin Singletary is
so low on that list is because he's not getting
carries when they matter. Most. I've talked about this before

(10:34):
and the fact that he has received just two carries
inside the five yard line over his career. Frank Gore
wey know, was not very efficient. Josh Allen continually carries
the ball in the red zone. They signed Zack Moss,
who reminds me of Kareem Hunt, a guy that's more
of like a bank Get out of here. This isn't
take episode. I need you to go back and watch
some Zach because the fight like it's it's all about

(10:56):
his health, if he could stay healthy, because that's been
a problem for him throughout his college years. But Zach Moss,
they've already said that he's going to walk into that
Gore role, which means that Devin Singletary is third in
line for goal line carries on that team and would
require an injury essentially to get back into that top
fifteen conversation. So, if you draft someone like Devin Singletary,
can he be a flex? Yeah? Absolutely? But is again,

(11:17):
is he going to win you a fantasy title? Absolutely
not without injury to someone like Zach Moss or Josh
daven So it's not going to happen, right, Yeah, I'm
not drafting him not gonna happen. No, Devin Singletary is
not going to be on any of my fantasy teams
based on where he's being drafted as the twenty third
running back off the board. That's you're asking for. I
have no shares of him. I mean there's one, two, three, four, five,

(11:37):
maybe six guys I'd rather have from than him who
are lower in ADP just at the running back for sure. Yeah, Yates,
I assume you agree Devin Singletary is a no go
in the fourth round. Yeah, that's that's a ridiculous price
tag for him where I think you know, you're talking
about him never being more than a change of pace
running back, especially now that you add in Zach Moss

(11:58):
and then what tags is saying that the goal line
opportunities just simply aren't there for him. The scoring he
has to score from, you know, breaking big plays now?
Is the electric is the elusive? Absolutely? I mean he's electric.
If a four point six five forty yard dashes electric,
I mean it's like Benny Snell speed man. I knew
someone was going to bring that up. Well, I'm talking
about his short area quickness, Like he's not going to
be someone who's this you know, this breakaway a huge play.

(12:20):
But he I mean, put on the film. He can
break away from any defender as far as he's very
elusive in short areas. So yes, that's what I'm talking about.
But then also I think that we need to bring
this up that he has area to improve. He saw
twenty nine receptions last year and only average six point
seven yards per reception. That's actually really low when you
look across you know, historic stats for the running back
position as far as the yards per reception. With his

(12:43):
skill set, I think that could jump up to an
eight point five. So I think you're talking about at
least a little bit of a you know, boost from
last year. But again we're talking about James Connor coming
with injury risk. We can't look at Devin Singletary and
pretend that that doesn't exist either. We saw him miss
time and he's a very small running back. He's five
seven two o seven I think off the top of
my head, so he's a smaller running back. He needs

(13:03):
to be kept in a change of paced role, which
limits his overall ceiling for fantasy football. And he wasn't
even particularly efficient in the passing game last year. Either
he's not fast, he's not big. He's just really good
at being behind an offensive line and reading the openings.
I was joking with you Yate's about Zach Moss being electric,
because I agree. You watch him on tape and he's
a big play waiting to happen, and you look that

(13:24):
get Kareem Hunt. Like Kareem Hunt is unbelievably fast, right
you're in a four six two forty Like that kind
of stuff happens when you watch him on tape. Zach
Moss is faster than he showed in the combines. So well,
that's that's what the forty. The forty yard dash for
running backs is a little bit overrated. Like we can
fall in love with these running backs who run in
the four fours, you know, like a Justice Hill, like

(13:44):
these types of players, but that's not how you consistently
win at the running back position. You consistently win with
agility in short area quickness, and so these guys, you know,
like placing precedent on the three cone drill and things
like that. That is super important for running backs because
the you know, the opportunities where a running back is
able to break away a forty yard run or see
open field, you know, is very minimal. So that's where

(14:08):
you know, we can look back at some of these
great running backs in the NFL and we can go, well,
they ran a four six or you know, forty or whatever.
How are they so good? Well, it's because they're they're
quick in short areas. That's I wanted to mention that really,
And it's totally different with pads on. It's totally different
carrying the football. I mean, when these guys are running,
they're running with both of their arms as fast as
they can. When they're hearing a football, you can't do
that stuff. It's totally different. So the forty yard dash

(14:31):
I don't buy too much into it. With running backs. Obviously,
wide receivers you're able to get more separation which helps
you get open and catch more balls. But let's keep
moving here. Okay, So we talked about these first three.
The next two. David Johnson, I feel like he's kind
of a James Connor light right, he's got more injury risk.
I don't think he's as good as James Conner at
this stage in his career. I don't like the offense

(14:53):
as much in Houston. I think Houston's not going to
be as good this year. And then right after them,
we've got Jonathan Taylor, who's actually my FA Of all
the players we've mentioned so far, it's why don't you
go first this time? How do you feel about these
two and where would you rank them with Ingram, Connor
and Singletary. Yeah, it's gonna be Jonathan Taylor is the
guy who I really like in comparison to David Johnson.
I think David Johnson comes with absolute concerns. You know,

(15:14):
we're talking about the last time that we saw him
on a football field. It wasn't great. He looked like
a shell of his former self. And the way that
we saw David Johnson be so valuable to fantasy football
years ago and now we're talking about years ago, right,
is that he was a dynamic pass catcher. He just
saw a ton of targets. Well, now you're looking at Houston,
and we've talked about it on this podcast, that's not

(15:36):
something that they feature the running back position as far
as targets regularly. Then you're also talking about Duke Johnson
is there. Well, he's a phenomenal pass catcher in his
own right, and I expect him to fill that role.
He's not someone who you give two hundred plus carries
too on the ground. So then there is a very
very limited ceiling here for David Johnson. Everything has to

(15:56):
go his way. He has to be fully healthy, he
has to stay health, he has to receive two hundred
and fifty plus carries on the ground because he hasn't
been historically efficient on the ground either. He's not someone
who's averaging four point seven five yards per carry something
like that, so he has a very very limited ceiling.
He's someone like a mark Ingram who I would prefer
to have him as my RB three, you know, potential

(16:18):
flex like, but with his current price tag, I'm not
going to get him at that at that price tags.
What do you think, man? Yeah, I mean I'm kind
of with you on this one. David Johnson's not a
guy that I mean a lot of people don't know this,
but David Johnson's not a great in between the tackles
runner and I like David Johnson the player. I just
think you have to use him in a specific situation,
like he hasn't averaged more than like three point seven
yards per carryson, So I think twenty sixteen, So David

(16:39):
Johnson isn't that guy. The offensive line in Houston isn't
particularly great. It got better with the addition of Laramie
Tunsel at left tackle, but that was more of a
pass protecting thing. The Texans haven't used the running backs
in the passing game. Deshaun Watson is is a mobile quarterback,
and what those quarterbacks do is they're able to scramble
in the pocket and buy themselves time keep their eyes
down the field. Whereas someone like Tom Brady is going
to see pressure coming, he's gonna imediately dumped down. And

(17:01):
that's why you don't see a lot of very high
target numbers for the Houston Texans running backs seventy nine
targets last year. Combined with all of them, Duke Johnson
obviously one of the better pass catching running backs in
the league. Duke Johnson is probably the better running back
at the stage in their career, if I'm being honest,
than David Johnson. So that's why Duke Johnson to me,
is a better late round pick than taking someone like
David Johnson in the fifth round. Again, I'm not gonna

(17:23):
sit here and say that David Johnson's a horrendous pick
because there are one hundred and fifty targets available with
the departure of DeAndre Hopkins. But at the same time,
we have to read the room and understand David Johnson's
strengths and what the Texans strengths are, and they really
don't align. And that's why I thought it was such
a puzzling mood to trade for a running back who's
at the end of his career on a team that
doesn't have a defense is in kind of in rebuild mode.

(17:44):
So nothing, nothing about that trade meant any sense. So yeah,
I'm gonna go ahead and say Jonathan Taylor is the
guy I want, and I understand Nwaheim Hines is there,
but guys, naim Hines didn't get touches last year when
Jonathan Taylor wasn't on the team, so he has to
be on the field to get those touches, and nim
Hines isn't someone that Frank Wich obviously trusts, And knowing
that Marlon Mack was there and they had him under

(18:04):
contract and they still drafted Taylor in the second round,
it kind of tells you all that you need to know. So, yeah,
he's he's very Nick Chubb like running back, I would
much rather take the upside with him playing behind what
is probably they may not be the best, but I'll
say top three offensive line football, right right? So do
you like him more than James Conner then tex For redraft? Yes,
I would take Jonathan Taylor because I don't believe health

(18:26):
is a concern with him. He's shown the ability to
handle a giant workload. The upside is tremendous for both
of those guys. I just think that one has a
better chance to stay in healthy. Okay, so that means
you've got him in your top twenty. How high does
it go? Do you have him over Levion Bell, Todd Gurley,
Melvin Gordon? I have Taylor at seventeen among running backs
over Levion Bell, over Melvin Gordon. I would contemplate taking

(18:46):
him over Leonard Fournette. Dang, what about Chris Carson? Yes,
I would take him over Carson. There's a lot of
but there's I want to be clear about the Seahawks
running back situation. There's a lot that needs to be
played out in the preseason because I don't know how
they're going to handle it. I don't know Rashad Penn
if he's going to be on the pup list. If
you know how we see these guys used in preseason
because Pete Carroll he will give the best guy the job,
and Chris Carson probably is the best. But he's also

(19:08):
coming off a hip injury that ended his season and
that they thought was going to require surgery but ultimately didn't,
So I don't know that there's a lot of question
marks with Chris Carson. So it's interesting. I've got Taylor
the highest of this group, but I can't put him
ahead of any of those guys that I mentioned Chris Carson,
Melvin Gordon, Levan Bell, Todd Gurley, Leonard Fournette, maybe over
Clyde Edwards Hilaire. And I know that you guys hate

(19:30):
me for this, but I just think Taylor has a
more certain path to immediate playing time, and he's also
behind a better offensive line now, and I think Jonathan
Taylor is the better talent now in this offense. Clyde
Edwards Hilaire has a much higher ceiling. But what is
taylor ceiling like if the Colts give him the job
from day one behind this offensive line, the type of

(19:50):
running back he is, he can handle all three downs.
What is his upside tag? It's Nick job. It's Nick
Chubb territory. Because they still do run somewhat of a
time share, and I don't think that's going to change,
not going to just automatically go to a one back system.
They're gonna involve Nie Hines, he's gonna get you know,
his forty fifty targets or whatever. Marlon Mack, They're gonna
use him a little bit. But so there is a
three way time share there where Nick Chubb is a

(20:11):
two way. And someone mentioned that to me on Twitter
because we had talked about I said, what's the difference
between Nick Chubb and Jonathan Taylor. You know, guys that
aren't going to be used heavily in the passing game
have competition for touches. One's behind a better offensive line
the other one, and one has lesser competition. But he
brought up the fact that it's a three way time share.
I think that you're gonna slowly see a lot of
these guys fade into oblivion where they're not gonna you're

(20:31):
never gonna start Nikeem Hines and you're never gonna start
Marlon Mack. So Therefore they're almost non they're non factors.
Where someone like Kareem Hunt is a fantasy factor, you're
still gonna be able to play him in the flex.
So so yeah, I'm I'm definitely a on Jonathan Taylor here.
I just I think his ceiling is Nick Chubb type
level numbers because I don't see him getting any more
than like twenty five thirty targets, So that's going to

(20:52):
limit him to that. It's still low end RB one territory.
He can get into that he ate anything you want
to add before we move on. I mean, if we're
talking about his over ceiling, if something happens, I mean,
and Marlon Mack has proven that he can't fully stay healthy.
Now maybe you know, a less workload can help and
alleviate that. But if something happens to Marlon Mack talking
about what two eighty plus carries for Jonathan Taylor easy,

(21:14):
you know, and he's proven that he can handle a
significant workload, So I think the ceiling is there. However,
you know, some things do have to go his way
otherwise I think he's going to be a very very
safe option. And he's got he's a phenomenal talent. He's
a phenomenal runner, he's not going to get the target
totals that you need with some of these other top guys.
So that's why I like the comparison of what Tag
said there with you know, Nick Chubb, that's kind of
where we need to be thinking about him. But this

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offense is going to run through him in Marlon Mack.
If something happens to Marlon Mack, then it's going to
be all Jonathan Taylor. You know, and everyone hears if
something was to happen, every single preseason, guys, one starting
running back or someone in a committee is out for
the season. Last year it was Lamar Miller. The year
before that, I think it was a suspension that happened.
The year before that, James Connor took over. These things

(21:59):
happen every single year, and we need to be ppared
for when they do happen. What would we do if
Marla Mack was to go down? Jonathan Taylor would be
a second run pick? Easy, easy, right, guys? Yeah, yeah,
so I love his upside. We're gonna keep moving here.
We've got seven more running backs to cover before we
get to coaching changes. But first I just want to
mention We've been doing a new podcast called Game Changers

(22:20):
and it's hosted by Dan Harris. You guys know, Danny
comes on this show every once in a while and
he is so much fun. So what he's doing. He's
interviewing some of the biggest names in the fantasy sports
industry to just shed some light on their journeys, what
it took for them to reach their height and their profession.
We've already done it shows with industry favorites like Mike
Wright from the Fantasy Footballers, Brad Evans formerly from Yahoo,
Jake Seeley just to name a few. He's with the Athletic.

(22:42):
Our latest episode is with Scott Fish, creator the biggest
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check out the show again. It's called the Game Changers Podcast.
Dan is doing a great job with it, isn't he. Oh? Absolutely.
I mean he's just so easy to talk to and

(23:03):
they'll throw ale jabs here and there, and it just
makes for a fun conversation. Yeah, everyone is so comfortable
talking to him, and he gets the best out of everybody.
It's a blast, yeah for sure. All right, guys, let's
keep moving here. Obviously it comes to the Raheem Mostirt tier.
Everyone knows what I think, so I'm just going to
keep my mouth shut. But in this Raheemosterirt tier, we've
also got David Montgomery. Would you rank either of these
two ahead of any of the five we've already talked

(23:24):
about tax David Montgomery, I would rank over Chris Carson,
David Johnson and mark Ingram over Chris Carson. Yeah, I
guess spots higher in ECR for running backs alone. So
Seattle's kind of reading between the lines here. Bobby Seattle
not only drafted a running back in the fourth round,
but they also made it a point to go out
and sign better in Carlos Hide tells me that they're

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not entirely convinced that it's it's. It could be both
Chris Carson and Rashad Penny that they're worried about. They've
never been shy about that, and they're gonna put it
up to a competition. It could be more. They might
be wanting a better pass catching running back out of
the backfield than Chris Carson this year because this team
is going to fall behind in more games. That defense
is far from ideal. But David Montgomery, in terms of
that list of actual opportunity I talked about those top

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fourteen running backs that every single one except for Leveon
Bell finished top fourteen at year's end, David Montgomery ranked
number fifteen. He had just five fewer opportunity points than
Derrick Henry. He had more way or yes series, So
that's what I'm saying. So the opportunity is there. Did
you know here's a fun fact in red zone carries
for your team, Leonard Fournette led the league. He had

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one hundred percent of the Jaguars carries inside the five
yard line. Number two on that list David Montgomery. Eighty
seven point five percent of the Bears red zone carries
went to him. The best part is that that didn't
change this season. Nope, nothing changed. They didn't add anything.
I love what Brad Evans called him last year, the
rabid hippopotamus. When you watch him run, he's gotten some talent.
It was just a horrible offensive line. Yeah, and that's

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the part that I am worried about the offensive line.
But there's a lot of guys in this list that
are going to pop up on the offensive line that
you're worried about. I remember back last preseason, David Montgomery
had a game like there was a run that he
had and everybody's like, why is Mike Davis playing? This
guy's electric and he breaks tackles, he bounces off tacklers,
and now all of a sudden, people are like, David
Montgomery sucks, He's boring. It reminds me of like the

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Melvin Gordon after the first year in the league, zero
touchdowns and everyone gave up on him, even though he's
a superstar and he was going in the same area
of drafts. I think he was going in the RB
twenty five range that year. So I'm not saying David
Montgomery's gonna be as good as Melvin Gordon. I'm not
at all. But what I am saying is by the
opportunity here that they didn't change anything, he is going
to get those red zone carries. I have him as
my number twenty one running back, right behind James Connor.

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So I mean, I like Montgomery and here's another stat
I have for you guys. This one I put on Twitter,
and people gave me a lot of crap about it
because they said he's not good. But over the last
ten years, there have been one hundred and twenty five
running backs who have seen two hundred and forty carries.
All right, that's a lot of running backs on hundred
and twenty five of them. None of them finished worse

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than RB twenty five, none of them. So therefore he's
going RB twenty six right now. Right, So he's being
drafted at his absolute floor because I think, I mean,
I don't think anybody would dispute if he's healthy, he's
getting two hundred and forty carries in this offense because
tree comen never going to get there. So, yeah, you're
with me on David Montgomery. I'm I'm purely certain of
this to take the opportunity. I like David Montgomery too,

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don't hear me. I'd rather have him than Devin Singletary man. Oh, yeah,
for sure, absolutely, I'd rather have him than mark Ingram same. Yep,
you know tags you said like I'm with you, No,
I'm not, because I have David Montgomery at RB thirteen
right now. Who And this is on the back of
like we're talking about pure opportunity. I'm talking about everything

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that could have gone wrong for David Montgomery last year
absolutely did right, You're talking about horrible quarterback play, You're
talking about horrible offensive line play. You're talking about like
everything that absolutely could have gone wrong for David Montgomery did.
Now when we're looking at and what tags brought up
that the opportunity is absolutely there. So I'm projecting David
Montgomery for two hundred and seventy plus carries on the

(26:59):
season because it's very hard to I'm not gonna give
Ryan Nall a ton of carries. I'm not gonna give
our Tavis Pierce. You know, I don't even know where
our Tavis pierced play ball in college, So like, I'm
not going to give them a ton of work. I'm
not giving Trek Cohen more than ninety carries on the season.
You know, he's just never been that player. So even
if I give David Montgomery, when I give David Montgomery

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two hundred and seventy carries on the season, guys, I
only haven't projected for three point nine yards per carry.
It's not great, but what I am saying is that,
I mean handed Johnson was the RV one with three
point nine yards per carry though like it can help, right,
but because he got a ton of work. And then
what tags brought up with Houston and Deshaun Watson being
a mobile quarterback, if they do move to Nick Foles
being the started, which is what I am projecting, if

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they do move to Nick Foles, nick Foles is not
a mobile quarterback. He's going to be looking to you know,
he's not gonna be able to extend the place. He's
going to be looking to check the ball down in
those instances where the play is not there down field,
He's gonna be looking check it down. That means an
increase in targets for David Montgomery, I am. I think
David Montgomery is one of the smartest picks you can
make in fantasy football this year. I like David Montgomery.

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I think you guys maybe are a little bit too
excited about him, But I'm not gonna blame me at all.
There's a reason to be excited. I mean, he's a
super safe pick at this stage in the draft. You
can get him in the sixth round right now, but
you can also get Raheem Moster guys, and Raheem Moster
isn't a much better offense. I think he's in a
similar role. Now, I get it. Some people are worried
about Sevin Coleman, and of course with Kyle Shannon, you

(28:23):
always have to be worried about that, but he has
a legitimate RB one upside. Do you guys not agree?
I do not agree with Raheem Moster. For him to
hit RB one numbers, he has to do it on
the back of ten touchdowns and averaging over five point
five yards per carry. He had ten touchdowns on one
hundred and thirty seven Russia's last year. Do you realize
how ridiculous that is? And he had like fifteen in

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the playoffs. Man, this is just what the forty nine
ers do. He led the league in yards per attempt.
He was incredible in that offensive line, and the offense
is built for a running back like this. The offense
is built to share the load, and so you have
guys like Raheemoster, Tevin Coleman, and Tevin Coleman I believe,
correct me from wrong text, But Tevin Coleman was dealing

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with some nagging injuries last year too. So then now
I'm projecting that you do still have Jerick McKinnon, who
I don't know if I'm necessarily feeling confident that he's
going to be on the roster. But then I love
Savon Akhmed so I undrafted free agent out of Washington.
I believe he fits this offense perfectly, So I believe
that he's going to now assume the Matt breed a role.

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So then now you're talking about this offense is going
to be split up for them to repeat what they
did last year. They were insanely efficient, insanely effective on defense.
I don't believe that that is sustainable. So now you're
projecting some work to move away from the running backs.
It is very difficult for me to find more than
two to give Rahemoster more than two hundred carries in
the ground. If that's a case for him to hit

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RB one numbers, he has to be doing it on
five point five yards per carrier more and ten plus touchdowns,
which I just do not feel confident projecting. Yeah, Bobby,
I'm gonna give you a couple names here that had
more opportunity than Raheem last year. Well, yeah, he didn't
play until week eleven. Do you know what happened after
he played in week eleven? He was available. That's what
I'm saying, Like the coach hadnam a back and then

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he won the job. How many times? How many times
have we seen these guys win the job? Arian Foster
wasn't the starting running back. He was available, and then
he became the freaking RB one man every single year.
Alvin Kamara wasn't the RB one, he was available. Why
didn't he succeed? Well, guess what he did next year?
As soon as he took over the job, he was
a monster. That's what as good as a rookie has done.
He's the starter now, period. Dude. Raheem Mostert is not

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a rookie that came into the league and won the job. Right,
He's been on the roster. Kyle Shanahan knows exactly who
he is. I get it. But from the time he
took over, he was the number one running back in
Fantasy football ahead of Christian McCaffrey. He and he never
took over. First off, Yeah, you needed to find the
word takeover. I mean led the led the running back
backfield and snaps. I'm not saying he's gonna be a
three down back. I'm saying his game the time he

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led the team in snaps, he was the RB one
over Christian McCaffrey. He had two games, two games over
thirteen Kerry two exactly. Thank you. That's not that's not
a workhorse running back. And I'm not saying it's sustainable.
I'm not saying he's gonna be the RB one. I'm
saying in this offense, he can't be a top twelve
running back. Raheem Mostert was available for all sixteen games
to Kyle Shanahan. Here's some players that had more opportunity.

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DeAndre Washington, Jaylen Samuels, Lashawan McCoy. I don't care about
this that I mean, I guess the people listening can
decide what they think, because it doesn't right exactly. I mean,
look at his game logs from week eleven when he
got when he took over the job. Six carries forty
five yards and a touchdown. Nineteen carries for one hundred
and forty six yards and a touchdown. That's great, Okay,

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I'm not gonna argue against that game ten for sixty
nine and a touchdown, fourteen for fifty four and a
touchdown eleven for fifty three and a touchdown ten for
fifty seven and two touchdowns. Do you see going to
the playoffs twenty nine carries against the Green Day Packers
and four touchdowns for two hundred and twenty yards. Dude two,
listen to me. I'm not trying to take that away

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from Raheem Moster. I believe that he is talented, and
I'm not going to try to dispute someone getting two
hundred and twenty carries and four touchdowns. Two hundred and
twenty carries. That would be amazing, right, two hundred and
twenty yards. You said that he has RB one potential
or that he could be in that conversation, I'm saying no,
because the common denominator in all of those games where

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he was an extremely valuable fantasy running back was a touchdown,
and touchdowns are extremely unpredictable, especially when you factor in
that there are other mouths to feed in this offense.
Now with Tevin Coleman, I mean you pick your poison
there with Savana Akhmed or Jamichael Hasty, one of them
is going to be on the roster. And then Jerk McKinnon,
so he has to be scoring touchdowns every single week

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for him to be relevant, because otherwise he's not going
to be able to get enough work to be a
consistent RB two with upside. I'm bedding on the touchdowns.
And you know what, there were a lot of people
who were like, dude, I'm not drafting La Garrett Blunt.
Like it used to be the open or to our
YouTube channel YouTube dot com slash Fantasy Pros where tags
was making fun of me for wanting to draft La
Garrett Blunt. You know what freaking happened. He finishes the

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RB seven because you can predict touchdowns and Lagarat Blunt
was horrible. Man, he was horrible and he had eighteen touchdowns.
I mean, I mean the part, the part in your
favor in this conversation, Bobby is that his price tag
is super low. Correct, So what's the risk? Where do
you have ranked? Bobby? I want to know RB twenty one. Okay,

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so you're not that. If you're that, I mean, I
don't him. I want you to go full Kyle Yates
here and put him up to number thirteen. That man, no,
because there's risk. There's a lot of risk here. I
have I'm drafting I'm drafting maraheem moster in the fifth
round in every single league, and he's going to be there.
I think it's in the converse. It's in the conversation though,
of a mark Ingram like I don't believe that he

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has true upside, which was what you you said, Bobby,
was that he has this insane upside like mark Ingram,
I don't believe has the osane upside, but he has
more upside than David Montgomery. I believe he can be
a I don't. I believe he can be I believe
he can be a safe option as an RB two,
RB three, you know, flex option, which is where I
think you can get him. But to say that he

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has this insane ceiling, I think is false. I think
Ronald Jones has just as high as the ceiling, and
he's a lot cheaper. Ronald Jones does have a nice ceiling.
We'll keep moving on. He's actually not in this group
we're going to talk about. But at the end, I'm
gonna get some more names that you think maybe belong
in this group. So we're going up to ADP ninety
ish to get into that eighth round. So let's keep

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going here. After a moster in Montgomery. There's a big
chunk four running backs here. Darius Guys No, yo, he
does not belong on this list. Kareem Hunt, Okay, he
definitely belongs. DeAndre Swift. I don't love the offense. I
don't really see much upside and the cam Akers. Look,
I get it. There's some smart people who have come
on our show and said they're drafting cam Akers. It's

(34:45):
not gonna be me. Yeah, I'm not drafted him, but
I'm definitely draft him over Darius Guys. Yeh, you get
to go first on this one. Rank these four for us, Hunt, Swift,
Acres Guys. How in the world is Darius Guys RB
twenty seven right now? He might be like RB three
on Washington exactly. I have absolutely no idea why in

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the world he is all the way up at RB
twenty seven. I will like, oh my word, I just
do not get it. So I Darius Guys is obviously
going to be last in this tier. For me, I
would go Kareem Hunt would be the first one because
he has some standalone value as a PPR option, but
then also he's a league winner. If Nick Chubb goes
down in these mid rounds. I'm willing to take some
chances on guys that if everything breaks their way, that

(35:28):
they could be league winners. So Kareem Hunt is not
just someone who you have to bet on the starter
going down, which I don't necessarily like doing in the
mid rounds. But then also he has standalone values, So
Kareem Hunt, and then I will go DeAndre Swift because
I believe he is going to be the lead option
in this offense. I'm not exactly projecting that it's going
to equate to a ton of you know, high end
fantasy value, but I believe that he's the next in

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line here. And then Cam Akers, I will go with
him above Darius guys because I do believe that cam
Akers is going to be the pass catching option out
of the backfield. That was what I saw in a
vision for him on when watching his tape at Florida State,
and I think that that is the role that he
excels in. So I believe Darryl Henderson will be the
in between the tackles runner and Cam Akers will be You'll,
he'll get some carries, but I believe he's going to

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be the past catching option out of the backfield. There
just way too much risk for me with Acres and
not enough upside because the Rams offense is just gonna
suck in my opinion. That's the thing is, like people
talked about cam Akers, They're like, oh, the reason he
was bad in college is because his offensive line was
so bad. Well, guys, he's compared going behind Marse. He's
going behind Like the Rams have a bottom three offensive

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line in football, and it's it's terrible. So that's the
part where I'm a little confused about by the love there.
They didn't target their running backs in the passing game
last year, and knowing that the tight ends have taken
a step forward and all this, it's difficult for me
to say that cam Akers should be drafted very high.
I know why people want to do it, but I'll
take the guy that's a guaranteed starter in DeAndre Swift
over cam Akers. I will take I will certainly take

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both of them over Darius guys, because that is just
a mess in the Washington backfield and it's a terrible
team anyway, So I don't know why anyone would want
to attack that backfield and makes no sense, right, And
it's not like guys is gonna catch a ton of
passes either they're gonna be playing from behind and guys
is gonna get if he's the starter, eleven carries a
game and two targets like in an offense that dad
that is not gonna cut it. Like that's like drafting

(37:14):
Patrick Laird last year and hoping that it's gonna work out.
You know what I mean? Right? Yeah? No, I have
Swift actually over Kareem Hunt in my rankings because Swift
is a guy that I'm projecting to have that lead role,
whereas Kareem Hunt isn't. But if you wanted a draft
Hunt over Swift, I have no issue with that because, again,
as he's mentioned, you not only get that flex type value,
which isn't necessarily guaranteed because it's obviously a new team,

(37:35):
it's a new coaching staff there, so it's not gonna
be the same role as last year. But they're still
going to involve him. There's a reason they kept him
on the roster with a second round tender I think
it was, and obviously has the handcuff value if anything
happened to Nick Chubb. I mean, Kareem hunts a league
winner a lot of times we see these you know,
these guys like DeAndre Swift really talented and he's clearly
better than carry On Johnson. Kurian Johnson's good, he's just

(37:57):
been injured. But they don't start until week four, week five.
I know I'm starting Kareem Hunt all sixteen games of
the season if he's healthy, regardless of what his role is,
because he's going to be used in the passing game.
We saw it last year. But that's the thing is,
we can't use last year's stats because it's an entirely
new offense. We don't know how much he's going to
be on the field. I do believe now, to be fair,
I do believe that he's going to be used in

(38:17):
the passing game, because again, I don't know why they
would retain him if he wasn't going to be. But
I don't think that we can just say because he
was this guy last year that he's going to have
that exact role, because otherwise Nick Chubb better come down
boards real fast. If that's the case. That's a good point, man, Yep,
that's a good point. I'm still mad at you guys
about Raheem Moster, but I got hated for entertainment purposes, Like,

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I hope everyone who listens to the show, like, if
you're not watching on YouTube and seeing me smile while
I'm doing it, that's not true, Bobby, since we hate
messages after the show. Not true. You probably think that,
like we all hate each other. We're totally best friends
and it's just fun to argue with your friends about
fantasy football, right, especially when you know that you're right.
M Yeah, all right, guys, final four after Cam Akers,

(39:02):
DeAndre Swift, Kareem Hunt, Darius Guys. I think we would
all put all four of these guys ahead of various guys.
But Sony Michelle, Marlon Mack, Damian Williams, Carrie On Johnson.
First again, of these four, do you want any of them?
There's one of them know that I would draft, but
I'm not. I mean Williams. It's Damian Williams, right, and

(39:24):
I'm only drafting him around his ADP. Yeah. No, I
don't want any of these guys when, especially when you
factor in their draft cost. Sony Michelle saw I think
a little bit of a bump because of Cam Newton's signing,
and but again we have to now factor in that.
I think the offense is going to be a little
bit more balanced. However, I am projecting that Cam Newton's
gonna take away quite a few of those overall rushing attempts,

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and then he's gonna take away looks and in the
red zone. So the offense should be better with Kim
Newton and that creates more scoring opportunities. But then I
think Kim Newton has has a profile to be able
to take away those scoring opportunities from Michelle carry On
john I think you know, I said it with DeAndre
Swift that he's going to be the lead back, so
that leads, you know, leaves carry On Johnson kind of
on the outside looking again for fantasy purposes, Marlon Mack.

(40:08):
Same thing, same argument with Jonathan Taylor. And then the
only one that's enticing to me, I don't know if
I would draft him here if he fell a little bit,
I think I would draft him is Damien Williams, just
because of if something, if the chance he's starts for
three or four weeks, sure, but if this offense doesn't
look like what I'm projecting, as far as you know,
Clyde Edwards Hilaire being the main guy, I still think

(40:29):
Damian Williams is going to be involved. I don't think,
you know, all the touches are going to go to
Clyde Edwards Hilaire. But again, if that so, if that
doesn't look the way that I'm projecting, then I do
have a startable option because of how dynamic the offense is,
and then there's upside. He's a league winner. Same kind
of argument with Kareem Hunt. He's a league winner if
something happens to Clyde Edwards Hilaire, if Clyde Edwards Hilaire
was hurt in the preseason, we would draft Damian Williams

(40:51):
and what the early third round, right at the two
three turn, probably even do higher I would do Yeah,
early third, mid third is probably where I would be
comfortable taking him. Yeah, I'm in. That's about where we
were drafting him last year until the injuries happened. And
the injuries obviously were a setback. But tags, I want
to pick your brand on Sonny Michelle because it's funny.
I said, Okay, I would draft all these guys over
Darius guys. I don't know if I would with Sonny Michell.

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Now I was excited about Sonny Michelle earlier in the
year because you know Tom Brady's leaving. What happens when
Tom Brady's not the quarterback? They run the ball a ton.
This offense always produces fantasy running backs. It's just kind
of as a group, right, And Sonny Michelle was the
lead back. He got foot surgery. I'm not talking after
the season. I'm talking he got foot surgery in May.
I'm not drafting this guy. Yeah, Sony Michelle has been

(41:35):
wildly inefficient in terms of like his opportunity. He's failed
in both years. He's been horrendous. Actually, I can't defend it.
And Sony Michell was someone I liked coming out of college.
He's been terrible in the pros. Damian Harris, I would
rather take a flyer on him in the last round
of year draft because right now he's he's going undrafted.
But Sonny Michelle, I don't see the upside here. He
doesn't catch passes. This offense isn't gonna score as many touchdowns.

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You add in Cam Newton. Now, if you guys missed that,
Cam Newton did sign with the Patriot. It's for just
five hundred and fifty thousand dollars. It's ridiculous. There's a
lot of incentives built into the contract, so he's going
to make more than that. But at the same time,
you start losing some goal line touches to Cam Newton
that you wouldn't have lost to Tom Brady. Obviously, isn't
gonna be his high scoring of an offense anymore. Well,
I don't know about that, man. I think Cam Newton

(42:16):
right now is better than Tom Brady was last year.
Tom Brady was not great last year, like finally, he
really wasn't. But at the same time, defenses can approach
a team a lot differently when Tom Brady's not under center.
Whether you like it or not, that's fair. But I
think Cam Newton also does that, just in a different
way because of his rushing a building. Well, I know
he's over thirty or whatever, but they sign him to
a one year contract. Are you kidding me that Bill

(42:37):
Belichick's not going to run this guy into the ground. No.
I mean, I think Cam Newton for his own sake,
needs to protect himself. I mean, this is livelihood, not
about NFL career. But Cam Newton is older, he's been
through surgery now, and he never had a great arm.
So if I'm a defensive coordinator. I am loading the
box against Cam Newton. I'm saying, you're gonna beat me
through the air, Buddy, I ain't gonna happen. Is he
even a lock to start? Like? I like Cam Newton,
but they supposedly love Jared Stidham. I mean, if you

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get into training camp and you're putting Cam Newton and
Jerret stid Him next to one another on the field,
every single person on the field is going to be going.
Cam Newton should be our starter. Well, probably, but maybe
Jarret's did him. Actually it's really good. He was amazing
in the person He wouldn't but they wouldn't sign So
they would not sign Cam Newton if they really believe that,
they really didn't believe it, Why wouldn't they signed Cam
Newton a lot sooner than July. Why would they risk

(43:20):
letting anyone else sign him? Apparently it was like due
to physical stuff. But here's a conspiracy thing that I
actually believe. So the Bears obviously could have gotten Cam
Newton and then instead they traded for Nick Foles, because
if you look at Nick Foles to Trubisky, you're like, Okay,
there's a competition. Here. But if the Bears were to
have signed Cam Newton, there would have been no competition.
Like everybody would say, Cam Newton is our starter. He

(43:41):
walks into the locker room and the team would be like, hey,
do to pay him seventeen million dollars like he did
with Nick Foles. Or that's what I'm saying. The Bears
really should have made this move, but they didn't. I
think the reason is because they didn't want it like this.
But if you bring in Cam Newton, he's going to
be your starter. I am anticipating he is the starter
of Week one. Like, no matter what, I think, you're
probably right, and I don't think we talked about this
in the last show. So just really quick, where do
you guys have Cam Newton ranked. I've got him QB fifteen,

(44:02):
behind Ryan Tannehill, Joe Burrow, Baker Mayfield in that tier
of high upside QB twos. I have him QB fifteen,
right in between Drew Brees and Daniel Jones. I don't
love him, honestly. I again, I don't think he's gonna
rush the ball nearly as much as he used to
quarterbacks over the age. I looked up running backs thirty
one and older, which is what Cam Newton is. There's

(44:23):
been just three running quarterbacks who have rushed for over
five hundred yards. None of those quarterbacks rushed for more
than four touchdowns, So you're lowering his totals as he
goes on. The last time we saw him on the
field as a passer, it wasn't great and people have
talked about this boosts the entire Patriots passing game. Bobby Yates,
please answer to this question. How many times has Cam
Newton thrown for more than twenty four touchdowns? One time?

(44:44):
It was his career year eight point zero touchdown rate,
which is unsustainable. And that's it. That is it? Like, oh,
I'm sorry it was seven point one. I exaggerated. Yeah,
to be thirty one years old and have one season
with more than twenty four touchdowns, I mean you needed
your legs to be fantasy relevant. Let's be real about it. Uh,
And Cam Newton, I'm just I just don't think his
legs are going to be there. I think he's a
streaming quarterback. I would rather see how it plays out

(45:07):
rather than drafting him. He hasn't thrown for over four
thousand yards since twenty eleven. No, he doesn't. He doesn't
throw for high artage. I have Here's here's the reason
why I have him at QB nine because for the
argument of what Tag said of you know, there's a
ton going against him, but I believe that, like Bobby
said that, you signed Cam Newton and you you run

(45:29):
him into the ground. So I have him projected for
one hundred and fifteen rush attempts. He had one hundred
and thirty in a couple of years ago, so like
that's been consistently where he's been. So I am projecting
one hundred and fifteen rush attempts. If that's the case,
he's extremely valuable for fantasy football. And but however, I
don't have him with a high yardage should or anything
like that. So that's the argument. But then what Tag said,

(45:50):
as far as the historical data there, we've never seen
a quarterback like Cam Newton. Cam Newton is an edge
defender playing quarterback, right, And I'm gonna use that against
you though. And the reason I say that is because
a lot of mobile quarterbacks have been rails, you know,
like Mike Vick and stuff like that. Lamar Jackson. These
guys are really thin and you have to worry about
those hits they're gonna take Cam Newton. You're right, he
is different. But at the same time, this is a
negative for someone that liken that's getting older because your

(46:12):
bones start to break down faster. Look at Jimmy Graham
and Rob Gronkowski, Like Tony Gonzalez played, you know into
his late thirties, Antonio Gates played for a while. These
guys were just built differently, right. Cam Newton is built differently,
and he was a dominating force for a long time.
But again he's now older and taking that abuse. And
like he was a guy that you couldn't tackle. He
ain't coming off major injuries, like two major injuries. Yeah,

(46:34):
a cornerback coming to try and tackle that guy, good luck.
He's a linebacker in pads. This is basically what he is.
But at the same time, he's going to fade as
a rusher, like that's going to happen. And if he's
not accurate as a passer, which he's kind of shown
throughout his career, he's still a lock for four hundred
rushing yards in five rushing touchdowns though, Like that's happening period.
If Yeah, here's the thing with Cam Newton super quick though,

(46:54):
Like I mean, if you go and look at what
Cam Newton has been posting on social media, like this
dude is built and it looks like he's fully healthy
and so but here's the thing too to keep in mind,
is that Cam Newton signing now there is still this
question mark. It's the reason why we're talking about it
on the podcast. There's going to be the question mark
of is he actually the starter or is ar Stidham
the starter. What that's going to do effectively is going

(47:16):
to keep his ADP down. So then what what the
benefit here is that I can get Cam Newton in
the last round of my redraft league and he has
insane upside. He starts Week one against Miami. Miami took,
you know, a big step forward this season as far
as a defense, but I still think it's a phenomenal
streaming matchup in the draft. Cost to acquire Cam Newton

(47:36):
is not going to be that much. So if he
does get injured, right tags, if he does, you know
your argument in what you're bringing up here. If he
does get injured, okay, I just put him, I leave
him on the waiver wire, and I go stream because
the cost to acquire him isn't that. I'm drafting him
at QB nine. I believe he can finish there. If
he plays all sixteen games, the cost to get him
is not going to be that much. Now, quick question, yates,

(47:57):
would you take Burrow or Cam Newton? Man? That's super close.
I would take Kim Newton. I think because Burrow has
a rough start to the schedule. That's his rough start
to the season. His schedule is pretty rough to start Chargers, Browns, Eagles, Jags,
um the Chargers. Yeah, that Chargers particularly. I think the
Browns are a fine matchup. Like, if you're drafting a

(48:18):
quarterback in this QB eight to QB fifteen range, you
need them to start in week one period, and if
we're not, why draft him. So I'm not drafting Joe
Burrow because I'm not starting in week one unless you're
gonna platoon I'm I'm actually I know, like a lot
of analysts are opposed to it. I'm not against platooning quarterbacks,
Like if you have two quarterbacks in your roster and
kind of platoon him because it gives you the shot.
Like Burrow, I do believe has top eight upside, and
if you wanted to take someone like Daniel Jones with

(48:40):
some mobility, obviously, but he's playing again, he's playing Pittsburgh,
the Bears and the forty nine ers and the three.
That was the wrong example, but like Jimmy g has
a really good Week one matchup something like that. Or
you could just go Tyrod Taylor for the first nine
weeks because he's got nine straight, right, But you gotta start,
we gotta get going. I just have one more stat
on Cam Newton. He finishes the QB three, QB four,
QB three, Q one, QB two in the seasons he

(49:02):
played a full season, and then in twenty eighteen before
he got his shoulder injury, he was the QB three
through nine games. This is all we've ever seen from
Cam Newton. I get it he's old, but if he's healthy,
he's the man. I thought he was QB seventeen like
two different years. He didn't play the full season. Man,
he was hurt. Well, he wasn't good though, I mean
like he wasn't good those years. Like yeah, yeah, anyway,

(49:23):
let's keep moving here. I just want to get your
guy's ranks on these four that we mentioned, because we
all agree they're gross. How would you rank Sony Michelle,
Marlon Mack, Damian Williams carry on Johnson tags gross? That's
how I bring them. Just don't drift any of them.
Can we just say that? Yeah, I'm not drafting any
of them, honestly, I'm really not like I won't like
if Damian Williams drops to the tenth round. Yeah, it's like,

(49:43):
after Tony Pollard and Alexander Madison are all off the board,
Letavius Murray, then you've got Damian Williams as as like
the fourth best handcuff in football. Yeah, I mean, well,
cly Edwards Ler if you take him in the third
round and then you get Damian Williams in the tenth
or eleventh, I'm sure with that. Yeah, he's not gonna
last the tenth though. He's going in the eighth round,
which is crazy to me. Yates, you already mentioned who
you like of these You would maybe draft Amien Williams,

(50:05):
but not especially interested. Who acted these guys do you
like more than this tier? Like for me, I'm just
gonna i'll name I'm really quick, Okay, already mentioned Tony Pollard,
Alexander Madison. JK Dobbins is another handcuff. I love Latavius Murray,
but also James White, Jordan Howard, Treet Cohen. I like
all these guys. Even Justin Jackson is up there ahead
of some of the guys in this list. I mean

(50:27):
I put it out on Twitter right before we recorded
that Darius guys is RB twenty seven and Treet Cohen
is RB forty six. Like what in the world, you know?
Like that just doesn't make any sense. So yeah, I
would be going Jordan Howard as someone who I would
like over these guys because he's the guaranteed starter. He's
gonna get goal line touches. JK. Dobbins, for sure, He's
kind of in that same camp of Kareem Hunt where
I think he's going to have some standalone fantasy value

(50:50):
because I believe he can be incredibly efficient in the
limited touches that he's gonna get. But again, mark Ingrams
goes mark Ingram goes down. He's the league winner, you know.
Keyshawn Vaughan is someone who's in that consideration For me personally,
I just I believe that I believe in Keishan Bond's talent.
We've talked about him quite a bit, though Madison's ADP
is certainly rising though. People are buying into the potential

(51:11):
that Dalman Cook could hold out, and if that's the case,
Madison's going to be a steal YEP. I agree with that,
and look, I like Mike Boone a lot. He's not
starting over Alexander Madison. Though I'm not drafting Mike Boone guys.
I would love to see him get touches, but unless
he gets touches, I'm not going to play him. Alexander
Madison is the guy who would get touches. He's also
very talented. I don't think he's as talented as Mike Boon,

(51:31):
but he's very very good, and he's a great backup
running back to own in case Dalvin Cook does hold out.
Tags Who do you like over this tier? Guys outside
of the eighth round that you would draft ahead of
this Yeah, I'd take Ronald Jones over someone that we
talked about a long time. Yeah, I was Devin Singletary.
I'll take Ronald Jones. The upside potential there with him
in this offense. There's obviously a lot of scoring potential
with all the firepower they have on offense. I do

(51:52):
believe he starts the year as the starter. Canny lose it, sure,
but investing you know, a mid round, late round pick
and Ronald Jones no issue at that tree. Cohen was
the one of those guys on my list that I
wanted to talk about, so all three of us. Yeah,
he's continually getting opportunity. And you might say that he's
not gonna get a whole bunch of carries, but the
targets are worth more than those. Uh, he is used.
And it's again it's it's a two man show in Chicago.

(52:12):
There's nobody else that's gonna I don't see anybody else
in that roster getting more than fifteen touches on the year. So,
I mean Cohen has back to back seventy reception seasons. Yeah,
he's a safe flex player, Like you don't have to
you don't have to sit here and worry like, oh,
is he going to score points? He's always going to
score points. You're hoping for some of those those weeks
that he had back in twenty eighteen that allowed him
to finish his A top ten Fantasy running back James White,

(52:34):
I definitely disagree with I don't I don't like him.
Without Tom Brady out there, I moved him down quite
a bit. But tere Cohen is someone that is young. Obviously,
he's a big part of that offense. Uh. And then
as you guys mentioned Jordan Howard Mett Brita. Those are
two guys that I do I believe should go over.
You know, some of the guys that we talked about,
like Carrie on Johnson and even Darius Guys, I don't.

(52:54):
I can't come around to drafting Darius Guys. Um. I
wasn't like the biggest fan of him out of college,
but I figured he's gonna have a workhorse role. He's
been through so many surgeries now and they've they've signed
so many running backs. It's a new coaching staff that
has nothing to do with him. I want nothing to
do with Washington running backs and I'm okay with that.
If I miss on him, I'm okay with it. I'll
take a flyer on Antonio Gibson in the last round,
though I don't want to. Yeah, tags, I said this

(53:15):
on the last podcast with Joe. I said that I think,
as far as players to avoid, Darius Skys is on
my list, And I said I think Darius skys Is
more likely of a candidate to be cut than he
is to be the clear starting running back. So I
don't think I'm not sitting here saying that Darius skuys
Is is going to be cut. I don't. I'm not
projecting that. But as far as like a likelihood that

(53:37):
he's going to be the clear starter, I don't see
that happening. So I tags I disagree with you on James.
Why I want to defend him really quick, just because
here's the thing. I get it. Cam Newton always had
a very high a dot until he didn't and when
he heard his shoulder, maybe that was why he wasn't
thrown downfield as much. Maybe he just became a different
quarterback because he did complete sixty seven percent of his
passes when his career mark was under well under sixty percent,

(54:00):
and he threw the ball to Christian McCaffrey. And I
get it. It's Christian McAffrey who's gonna get more targets,
but forty two more times than any wide receiver on
the team. He's a dot plummeted. Is this just who
he has become? And if it is, when don't you
want James White. I mean, James White also has a
chance to lead this backfield and in carries. If if
Sony Michelle, no, no, they would, they'd go to rex

(54:21):
Burkhead before they went to him. Yep, you think they
go to rex Burkhead. Is he even gonna make the roster?
Maybe not, who knows, but Damian Damian Harris would, Okay, sure,
for sure, Okay, that's fair. But yeah, though, there's no
way that happens. But James White, it's just more about
the offense, the volume of the passing attack. Because Brady
always dropped back to throw the ball six hundred and
six hundred and twenty times, and if we're cutting that
back to five hundred to five hundred and twenty five,
there's one hundred targets that are all of a sudden gone,

(54:43):
and there's also one hundred extra carries out there. Well yeah,
but again, James White is not a guy that they're
gonna give carries too. If you're gonna do that, you're
gonna say they're gonna have a three way time share.
They're gonna bring in a Rex Burkhead or Damian Harris
to handle some of the workload with Sony Michelle because
their defense is still good. They're not gonna win the
ball throwing the ball anymore. They're not gonn to throw
at forty times a game like they did with Brady.
So removing those past attempts, it filters throughout every position,

(55:06):
and then you have to say, okay, well, Nikil Harry
is clearly going to have a bigger role, like they
need him to have a bigger role as a former
first round pick. Is a guy that they need to
bloom and blossom because otherwise his career will just fade.
Like Kevin White. They signed a couple tight ends in
the third round, drafted a couple tight ends that are
going to be more involved than the tight ends were
last year, because well, the tight ends just weren't involved.
So there's just so much in this offense that I'm

(55:27):
worried about. And again, James White is someone that I
was drafting every single year and saying he was a
value in fantasy football drafts. But for some reason now
he's actually going higher than I expected him to. He's
going around the same place that he was when Tom
Brady was still on the team, and he's not as
valuable without Tom Brady. In my opinion. You know what, guys,
since we've talked about the Patriots so much, I just

(55:47):
want to throw this out there. Tavante Freeman still sitting
out there as a free agent, and if Sony Michelle's
coming off the foot injury, that could be a really
interesting landing spot. It's I mean, at first glance, it's interesting.
I think they're so cap strapped right now. They're so
I mean, that's the reason why Cam Newton is only
making five hundred fifty thousand dollars. But it's incentive laden,

(56:09):
so right, Yeah, and Freemant has made it clear that
he's not signing a cheap deal, so we'll see, all right, guys,
I want to transition and talk about some coaching changes now,
and we've got a handful of them to talk about.
But we also it's not just about who the head coaches,
it's about who the play caller is going to be.
So let's look at the new situations here. We'll start
out with the Carolina Panthers. And granted there's not many

(56:29):
fantasy relevant players on this team, but Matt Rules the coach,
who's the play caller tags it's Joe Brady. Obviously, there's
a lot of excited people about this because he's coming
off one of the most historic seasons in college football,
and it's it's tough to not get excited. But at
the same time, it's college is a lot different than
the pros, and there have been a lot of coaches
that have come from college and and failed in the pros.
But there's one thing to be excited about is that

(56:51):
they you know, Matt Rule did hire a good offensive mind,
and they're going to need it because that defense is
going through a rebuild. My concern with the Panthers, though,
is the offensive line. That offensive line is horrendous. I
was looking at you that one like this isn't the
whole team of concern? Well it is, no, no no, But
I'm talking about more for the offensive standpoint. Um, you
know Teddy Bridgewater getting destroyed behind that line. But Joe Brady,

(57:12):
are you excited about this? Yates? And is this an
offense that like a team that you're attacking in fantasy?
Because he's their play caller I will be in future years.
I think the Panthers have done a masterful job of
setting themselves up well for the future. Where Matt Rule is,
He's just rebuilt programs everywhere he's been, and so if
you're talking about a team that is now entering into
a rebuild, this is the guy who you want leading

(57:33):
that charger. I think Joe Brady is a phenomenal hire.
Joe Brady at Ellis you last year as the offensive
coordinator mainly responsible for Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase, Justin,
Jefferson In, Terris Marshall, Clyde Edwards, Hillard incredible historically incredible season. Yeah,
they excelled because of Joe Brady and what he did.
So and then he's coming from he was previously within

(57:54):
New Orleans Saints as a I think the quarterbacks coach
or an offensive assistant. So he has been learned under
Sean Payton. He brought that scheme to use LSU and
is now bringing it to Carolina. So as far as
like long term and in future years, I will be
targeting a lot of these players. I still think there's
value this season though with DJ Moore and Robbie Anderson specifically,

(58:15):
I think those are two guys who I'm gonna be
targeting because this defense isn't great and they're gonna need
to be need to be throwing the ball a ton
and that leads to a ton of targets. So yeah,
I think there's fantasy value here this year. You know,
if you're a Panthers fan with Role coming in and
Joe Brady, you have a lot to be excited about. Now. Granted,
you're not gonna win more than five or six games
this season, but what that means is you're gonna be

(58:35):
able to go out and you're gonna get Trevor Lawrence
or Justin Fields or Trey Lance. And if you get
one of these three guys with this coaching staff, it
is going to be a blast in a couple of years.
So get excited Panthers fans from fantasy perspective, Yeah, we
have a lot to be excited about too. What about
the Cleveland Browns situation? Though they go out and get
Kevin's to fansky, he's gonna call the plays. We saw

(58:56):
what he did with the Vikings last year, that passing
game disappeared. This going to happen for Odell Beckham, Jarvis Landry,
Austin Hooper, Baker Mayfield. Should we be worried about this? Yates?
I think worried is a relative term. I think as
you're looking at the offense and you're looking at the
weapons where Austin Hooper, David and Joku, like these two
tight ends did not the tight ends in Stevanski's offense

(59:20):
last year did not see a ton of targets. We
can look back and we can look at Kyle Rudolphin
Irv Smith's targets and we can go like, how in
the world were we considering them for fantasy. So Austin
Hooper and David and Joku do not have a high
ceiling this year, and Joke, who's irrelevant, Hooper doesn't have
as much of a ceiling. However, you're talking now about
Odell Beckham and Jarvis Landry, who are still going to

(59:40):
see plenty of targets, and this offense, Baker Mayfield thrives
off play action, which is what this offense is going
to be built upon, with phenomenal running backs like Nick
Chubb and Kareem Hunt. So we could be seeing less
of an overall target total than we've seen in previous
years for Jarvis Landry and Odell Beckham, but we could
see their touchdown totals go up because of the official

(01:00:00):
So they're intriguing to me, especially when you factor in
their draft costs right now that we're not drafting Odell
as a top five receiver anymore. He's he has the
potential because he's one of the most talented wide receivers
in the entire NFL. But I think that you know
he's not. You don't have to pay up as much
for Odell this year? Sure, tags what do you want
to add to it? Man? I mean Stefanski, I'm I'm

(01:00:20):
a little hesitant to believe in the offense overall. Obviously,
they you know, signing Jack Conklin and free agency and
then drafting Jedrick Wills. I'm interested in to figure out
who's going to play left tackle though, because those guys
are both right tackles in my mind. But clearly they
want to run the ball. And but Stefanski is given
credit for a lot of the Vikings success last year,
But I don't know if that's Gary Kubiak. Kubiak has

(01:00:41):
been like a run game guru and a guy that
showed up as the assistant head coach in Minnesota last
year and then all of a sudden it happened. So
I don't know if this has more to do with
Kubiak than it does Tefanski. We're gonna find out, but
it seems like they're moving pieces around and I don't
I don't even want to say that Najoku is irrelevant,
because if they're gonna run a lot of two tight
end sets like they did in Minnesota, then you're gonna
see both him and Austin Hooper on the field. And

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they also drafted Harrison Bryant the fourth round, which makes
me think they are going to run a lot more
two tight end sets. So yeah, I'm intrigued about Stefanski
as a play caller. He's a younger guy. Those guys
typically are able to change their ways. They're not setting
their ways like some of the older guys. So it's exciting,
but at the same time a little hesitant. All right, guys,
moving on over to the New York Giants. Joe Judge

(01:01:22):
is the new coach. He's not going to be calling
the play as though, is he tags No, it's gonna
be Jason Garrett. Jason Garrett came over from the obviously
the rival, the Dallas Cowboys, and it might be one
of those things where Jason Garrett is a better offensive
coordinator than he is a head coach. But Again, it's
difficult to say because it's been so long since he's
been an offensive coordinator. Right, He's been the head coach
there for a while and finally gave up play calling

(01:01:43):
duties and all of this and that. But it's it's
not a bad thing for the offense to have a
proven play caller that actually can get things done. Now. Granted,
he had a lot of talent to work with in Dallas,
but he has a lot of talent to work with
in New York too. Knows the team pretty well. I
think this is a good thing for them. And again,
you have a defense on the defensive side of the
ball that the Giants have almost no talent there. I
don't even know what they're doing. I thought that there

(01:02:05):
was a chance that they might go defense in the draft, like,
but they decided to build in their strengths and say
we're gonna make our offense as good as possible. So,
knowing that they have Jason Garrett there as an established
play caller, I'm excited for them. I just think it's
gonna be a little hit or miss between almost everybody
on that team outside of sa Quon Barkley. Yeah, Yates,
do you have anything you'd like to add. Buddy, Jason
Garrett called plays for the Cowboys from twenty twenty seven

(01:02:26):
to twenty twelve, and in that time span, the Cowboys
were consistently a very past happy team and that should
continue here again in New York. So when we're talking
about the offense year over year, they were very pass
happy last year with Pat Shermer as the OC and
head coach there. So I don't think a ton is
going to change as far as the offensive philosophy. So
kind of just consistent, you know, moving from year to year. Yeah,

(01:02:48):
and a lot of people here, Okay, the Giants are
going to pass a lot, and man, that really sucks
for sae Quon Barkley. Maybe I won't keep him at two.
But like, is there a chance that sae Quon Barkley
leads this team in targets? Back in twenty eighteen, Ohtho
Beckham led the team in targets with one hundred and
twenty four. Seque had one hundred and twenty one guys. Yeah,
there were a lot of injuries that year, right, even
Beckham was hurt for part of that year, but Sterling

(01:03:10):
Shepard played all sixteen games. But yeah, that was Eli.
That was non mobile ELI that would check down all
the time, whereas Daniel Jones was checking down as much. Yeah,
and he didn't have Golden Tate. He didn't add Darius Layton. Right,
none of them were on the field at the same time.
Which is crazy that Giants offense, even with the offensive
line that they've added Andrew Thomas too, and then Matt
Purton the third round like this, this really can be

(01:03:31):
a good team. Like there's a lot of talent on
the Giants offensive side of the ball. All right, guys,
this is the one that I'm worried about because Kellen
Moore is a great play caller. Is he still gonna
call the plays in Mike McCarthy system. I do not
want McCarthy did to take over. Yeah, I think he is.
I think so too. By the way, this is for
the Cowboys if you guys don't know, right, I think

(01:03:52):
he is going to remain the play caller because it
was a choice that McCarthy had. Does he want to
keep Kellen mooreer? Bringing his own guys? And he said
more did a job. So I'm happy he's the best.
I think he's the best that there is beside Sean
McVay this, yeah, and Mike McCarthy, Like, I gave Mike
McCarthy a lot of crap when he was with the
Packers because I felt like he was just writing on
a lot of talent. And he took a year away

(01:04:12):
from the game and he said that I need to
reevaluate things, and he started talking with coaches trying to
establish a crew that he could bring with And that's
a sign of being willing to change. And that's all
I ask for in a coaches say I know this
isn't working, so I need to do something else, you know.
Like I give him credit for that, and I hope
he turns his career around, because again he I think
he underperformed in Green Bay. But keeping Kellen Moore on

(01:04:34):
there is the play caller. I'm excited about that me too,
Man Yates, Are you as excited about Kellen Moore? Yeah,
I think it makes it really easier for us to project,
you know, year or a year. So Kellen Moore did
a really good job last year. And it's exciting when
you're talking about this Cowboys offense with weapons like Blake Darwin,
Ceedee lamb Amari Cooper, Michael Gallop there and then Zeke

(01:04:55):
and Pollard out of the backfield. This is going to
be a very very dynamic offense again in twenty twenty.
I guess we should probably talk about the Broncos and
Pat Schrummer as well. We'll get to that in just
a second, Okay, But Washington as Ron Rivera as the coach,
He's not calling the plays. It's going to be Scott Turner.
What kind of scheme is this, Yates. It's gonna be
what we see, what we've seen in Carolina in the the
past couple of years. Scott Turner's North, Turner's son. He

(01:05:16):
was the quarterbacks coach in Carolina the past couple of seasons. Underneath,
you know, his dad as the OC. So this is
going to be a very very similar system to what
we've seen. And you know the Terry mclaurin's going to
be great again this year. Antonio Gandy Golden I think,
is going to get on the field, has a higher
draft capital than Kelvin Harmon and obviously you know was
selected by this coaching staff. So it's very very similar.

(01:05:38):
You kind of just look at the numbers of what
Carolina has done historically and just kind of plug that
in for Washington. However, I don't believe that they're going
to be as effective and efficient, you know, with Dwayne Haskins,
you know, behind center, and then kind of these these
mix of running backs there, which we've talked about. Yeas,
I don't think anyone especially cares about the playmakers for
Washington from a fantasy perspective. You can add something if

(01:05:59):
you want, but otherwise, let's talk about Pat Sherman with
the Broncos. Yeah, I mean Washington. It is what it is,
that team, that offensive line, no left tackle, it's it's
pretty ugly. And I think that Ron Rivera made the
mistake that Vic Fangio did in Denver. And obviously, you
know we're about to talk about Denver, and they moved
on from their their new play caller that they had

(01:06:19):
in twenty nineteen. Scott Turner is walking into a bad situation,
not an established play caller. I am absolutely worried about
that offense. But going over to Pat Shermer, fantastic offensive coordinator,
not such a great head coach. It's one of those
things like I gave. You know, we talked about the
Browns for so long with Hugh Jackson. I said, you know,
Hugh Jackson was just a bad head coach. He was terrible.
He couldn't manage it. But if he was just stuck

(01:06:41):
with the offense as a coordinator, he would have been fine.
It might be the same thing with someone like Vic Fangio,
where some guys just make better coordinators than they do
head coaches because there's just too many things they have
to worry about. Like Hugh Jackson. Hugh Jackson was a
good coordinator. He was yeah, Cincinnati, he was fine there.
So that's why I'm saying is some guys are like that,
and I think that Vic Fangio had to learn that
the hard way is that, Okay, I have to trust
someone else with my offense that's actually established and just

(01:07:03):
give him the offense. Pat Schremer being able to run
the offense and Denver is awesome because he has been
a great coordinator and I'm really excited to see this
team in action. The question is how much freedom does
Vic fangioe give Pat Schermer. You know, if this team
is winning, you know, by ten points, is he going
to allow Pat Schremer to keep his foot on the
throttle as You're gonna say no, Pat, we are a
running team. We are running the football, which is possible

(01:07:25):
with an older, defensive minded head coach that just wants
us to sit on the ball. But Pat Schremer, with
all the talented pieces they have there in Denver, it's exciting, Yates.
When I hear Pat Schremer, I think slot receivers. I
am so excited about what he's going to do with
this offense if he's actually given the liberty to make
his own decisions here. This is the tension. You know,

(01:07:48):
Tags mentioned it with Vic Fangio, a defensive minded coach,
typically they are more willing to rely on the run game.
And now you have very effective running backs with Melvin
Gordon and Philip Lindsay. So I think those two running backs,
why would you, you know, take the ball out of
their hands consistently. So I think they're gonna have they
have the weapons. They have the weapons to succeed this

(01:08:09):
year as a team with Courtland Sutton, Jerry Judy, kJ Hammler.
I mean, Noah, Fan, these are just really really you know,
exciting weapons. That's you know, something that I'm definitely interested
to see how this plays out. It's gonna be you know,
the preseason's cut down to two games. Now those are
gonna be two games that I'm watching closely is Denver
to see what does this offense look like? Are they

(01:08:29):
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