Mid-Tier Running Back Targets + NFC North Fantasy Preview (Ep. 358)

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Speaker 1 (00:14):
Everyone. Welcome back to the Fantasy Brows Football Podcast. I'm
Bobby Sylvester, joined as always by Mike Taglier. If you
want to fall us on Twitter, We're a Bobby Fantasy
Pro and Mike Taglier NFL tags. What's going on, dude, Oh,
nothing much. Just in another episode of the Scott fish
Bowl where I had the number one pick and I
know you did as well, And yeah, I'm like always

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in the slowest draft, so mine was sitting on like
the second pick for like four hours. So it's just
been a long day in terms of like looking forward
to that and then kind of crashing and burning. So
you've just been staring at a blank screen all day?
Is that? What's going on? Kind of unfortunately? And I've
also upset some people online when I said that sae
Quon Barkley that he's he's got a higher bus potential

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than some of the other running backs being taken at
the top of the draft. You know, I've been I
was expecting him to go first overall in seventy percent
of drafts. Right now his ADPs running back four in
the Scott fish Bowl. Can you explain what the Scott
fish Bowl is? By the way, Yeah, it's basically, you know,
Scott Fish does this every single year and he puts
together you know, fans, analysts and like you know in
the industry and puts them all together. I think this

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year it's like over a thousand teams. You know, we've
got twelve hundred teams. Yeah, it's crazy where it's like
this giant tournament where we all participate, and all the
money that is generated from it, whether it be subscriptions
to things or whatever, it's all going to Fantasy cares
where at the end of the year you'll see it
on Scott's timeline that he goes out and he buys
gifts and you know, he shows you the receipts of

(01:39):
everything that he goes out and buys for all these kids.
And so it's so that basically kids can have a
great Christmas. And it's one of those things that I
really admire and it takes a lot of time to
do that, and so to participate in it, that's that's
the least that I think we can do. You know,
I feel like this has become the tradition of this
is the start of fantasy football season for me, you
know what I mean. And the Scott fish bull starts,

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everyone starts paying attention, everyone's seeing what's going on with
the ADPs, and it gives you just a landscape of,
you know, what you can expect over the next six
seven weeks. That's when we're gonna be doing fantasy drafts, guys,
a lot. You can have drafts in five weeks. It's
coming up, yeah, for sure. And there's a lot of
people like just now tuning into two fantasy podcasts, and
I'm sure there's a lot of listeners now that are like, yeah,
this is the start of you know, my fantasy football season.

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So you know, you might hear some things that we
may have talked about this offseason. You might hear some
new things. And we're going to continually get more information
because we have training camps kicking off in just under
three weeks. I mean, I'm ready for football. I am
ready to start talking about things that are taking place.
And you know, some of the research that I've been
doing in the articles like today I post on the website,
it's what does team scoring actually mean for fantasy football

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and the importance of it, And you know, throughout the
show and we talk about, you know, the things that
we talk about. I'll try and reference it at points
just to give you guys an idea as to you
know what you'll find in that article. So here's the
plan for today's tags. All right. First of all, I'm
going to a steakhouse tonight after I record the MLB podcast.
But in today show, we're gonna be talking. We're gonna
continue our divisional breakdowns. We're talking NFC North today, but

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we're gonna start with the RB two primer. And what
I mean by that. We can't talk forty five running
backs in one episode, right, there's just not enough time
for that. We want to be able to cover it
well enough. So what we're gonna do, because we're gonna
be talking rbs maybe eleven to twenty five. That way,
we can hit most of the running backs who we're
gonna be RB two. We're gonna talk about when you
should be drafting them, who we're targeting, who we would

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recommend avoiding, and then we're gonna move on and talk
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that just takes seconds too. All right to actually ready
to get into this, man, I am as ready as
I will ever be. Okay, So RB one's everyone knows
the top four, Barkley, Elliott, McCaffrey, Kimara, Everyone's taking Gordon
and Johnson in the top twelve as well. Bell Connor

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is probably gonna be gone, Todd Gurley, Joe Mixon. It
really starts with Dalvin Cook at ADP running Back eleven. Now,
obviously I've got him higher. Nick Chubb is right there
as well, Damian Williams, Leonard Fournette. I'm just reading down ADP,
DeVonta Freeman's RB fifteen, Marlon mack, Aaron Jones, Derrick Henry, Kerrie,
On Johnson, Josh Jacobs, Sony Michelle mark Ingram, Philip Lindsay,

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David Montgomery, Chris Carson. So that's where we'll end it.
And I want to ask you, when are you targeting
these guys? Would you like to get your running back
in the second round? Are equal waiting until the third, fourth,
maybe even fifth? Yeah? No, I'm definitely good waiting until
at least the third round, just seeing how the draft
plays out. But you know, there's a couple targets in
the third round for me that I absolutely love. Depending
on how you want to build your roster. If you're

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if you're someone that is not risk adverse and you
want to aim for upside like you're gonna I can
tell you right now that Aaron Jones in the third round,
you're getting a guy that has potential top three ceiling.
Like you guys remember Eddie Lacy, right, Eddie Lacy playing
alongside Aaron Rodgers. You know, he finishes the top six
fantasy running back multiple times and then is now out
of the league. You know, he leaves that team and

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all of a sudden he fades into fantasy oblivion. Aaron
Jones I think would be a He's better than Eddie Lacy. Yeah,
he could be a quality running back on any team.
It's just the fact of the matter is there is
some risk that comes associated with him. But once we
get into this RB two range, there's not too many
names in this range that don't have some risk. You know,
we could walk through it and say, Dalvin Cook's been
hurt his entire career. Nick Chubb. You know some people
are worried about Kareem Hunt. I'm not necessarily one of them.

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Todd Gurley dealing with the knee issues. Damian Williams. We
have no idea if he could handle a workload. Marlon Max,
same questions. You know, he's been hurt in his career.
Leonard Fournette. We have offensive concerns with him, We have
injury concerns with him. You got on to Davanta Freeman
say offensive concerns, you mean his team's offense, not his offense. Correct,
when Leonard Fournette. And that's the thing. So so this

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is the sweet spot for me. If you like the
risk and you're shooting for the upside, take Aaron Jones.
If you want to take someone who you know it's
kind of like a can't miss. I think you go
Leonard Fournette because you you know, people want to continually
chase that upside. And I understand why you want to
do that. But don't sit here and tell me that
Leonard Fournet's injury prone this and that. Because every running

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back is going to miss some time here and there.
It's going to happen Leonard Fournette. If anything, you want
to bet against the grain. You want to say, Okay,
he's dealt with some injuries, but he's he's due for
a relatively healthy season. He's going to get twenty touches
per game. How many other running backs can we actually
say we know that for a fact about not many five? Five?
I think Barkley Elliott, McCaffrey, Kimara, and David Johnson. I

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won't even put Melvin Gordon or Leaveon Bell in that conversation.
I think Melvin Gordon Leveon Bell are going to be
close to that. Like Melvin Gordon, he's like someone that
he never gets to twenty carries. Most people don't realize that,
but he'll he'll get the receptions to get to those
twenty touches. But well, he doesn't get the goal line
work either. It's Austin Ekeler. Well, Eckler is mixed in.
Eckler is going to get like eight to twelve touches

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per game. That's going to happen. So Melvin Gordon, he
doesn't get those thirty touch games like Ezekiel Elliott. That's
why you don't consider him as a top three pick.
But if you get down to Joe Mixon, that could
be more of a timeshare than people think. James Connor.
We've heard about Pittsburgh saying that they're going to turn
into more of a timeshare. Todd Gurley, they drafted Darryl Henderson,
you know Nick Chubb, Are they going to run him
a ton? There's so many question marks because Duke Johnson's

(07:47):
still there, right and they do have Kareem Haunt coming back.
So there's a lot of question marks about those guys.
So Fournette, I'm not saying that he's a lock, and
he doesn't have the upside that Aaron Jones does. Leonard
Fournette is not. I could promise you he's not going
to finish the top five running back. However, he will
give you RB one production when he's on the field.
If he's healthy, he's top ten and that's a lock,

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no doubt about it. That's how I feel his ADPs
RB fourteen right now. Yeah, he doesn't have a high
scoring offense, which is why he doesn't have that crazy
you know, that high ceiling that we're talking about. But
he's about as safe as they come. And if you
get him, I've gotten him at the start of the
fourth round sometimes and that's just crazy. Well, let me
ask you this, okay, because right now, Damian Williams is
going before Leonard Fournette. What's more likely that Damian Williams

(08:29):
is than a time share or that Leonard Fournette gets hurt.
I don't even think it's even close. There's a lot
of people out there that would tell you that Leonard
Fournett getting hurt is like one hundred percent chance possibility.
But I don't ever bank on injuries. I don't think so.
Andy Reid has traditionally wanted to go with more of
a one back system. Is he gonna mix in Carlos Hyde. Sure,
we can't say for certain that Damian Williams can or

(08:51):
cannot handle a workload, but we just haven't seen it yet,
So there is risk involved with that. We did in
one game in the playoffs. He was great in that
one game. Can he do it again? Can he do
it for a full season. I'm not banking on that.
I'm not spending a late second, early third round pick
on that. There's there's better question marks to gamble on,
like Aaron Jones, like Marlon Mack. I don't even think

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Josh Jacobs is a gamble. He's right now his ADPs
RB twenty. We know exactly who he is, what he's
going to be, the offense he's going to be in.
His upside isn't as good, but he's gonna get three
hundred touches, Nick Chump, He's gonna get three hundred touches.
I would much rather have those guys than Damian Williams.
I actually disagree on the Josh Jacobs front. I think
a lot of people are into that conversation. I don't

(09:35):
think that he's a lock. Are you worried about the
contract or like, are you worried about like Jalen Richard?
What is it? It's not necessarily the contract. It's more
about like people assuming that he can handle three hundred
touches because he's another one that you know, Damian Williams.
We talk about him and the fact that he's an
older guy that's never had more than eleven or is
it thirteen carries in a regular season game. Now, he
came on late in the year, and people must remember

(09:57):
this too, Okay, Damian Williams looked flat out at the
end of the year. Yes, I Am not going to
take that away from you. Did he look better than
Carlos hide Apps of friging lutely he did. However, Damian
Williams literally was like as fresh as they can be
for the stretch when every other team was beaten down
to the ground. Damian Williams had literally like I think
he had like six carries before Week thirteen. So the

(10:17):
guy was as fresh as they can possibly be, had
fresh legs. And that's the thing I'm worried about with
Josh Jacobs is that he's coming from Alabama. He's never
had more than a hundred carries in a single season.
He was in a three way time share at Alabama.
It wasn't just him and Damien Harris, No, it was
a three way time share. So Josh Jacobs when he
came on the field, he was always fresh. So does
he look that good? I have my Oakland's offensive line

(10:40):
is crap. It's terrible. It's legitimately a bottom five offensive
line in the league. I have my concerns about the
offense in general, Greg Olsen, you know, John Gruden. They
didn't get that offense. Didn't do anything to make me
happy last year. Do I think that Antonio Brown helps? Sure?
Do I think that Josh Jacobs helps. Sure, But it
does not change their fundamental way that they call the offense.
So I don't Josh Jacobs. To me, he's a low

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end RB two. I think he's on a bad team.
He lacks the upside that people want. I don't think
he's locked into three hundred touches. I think Doug Martin
is going to have I'm not gonna say a big role,
but I think Doug Martin is going to be a
little bit of a thorn in his side. You know,
they're right nowther Saint Josh Jacobs might miss the beginning
of training camp. Will see how long that continues. So
that'll be something to watch. Now. You said Leonard Fournett

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is safe as long as he's on the field. Is
there anybody else that he feels safe? Maybe DeVante Freeman.
Devonse Freeman is probably someone that I would say I
feel somewhat safe about. And we talked about him on
the last show and how he's got some upside too, Right, Yeah,
I've started to kind of change my tune on that
and basically get over my hatred for Dirk Cutter is
a play caller, and just say that DeVonta Freeman is

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part of a phenomenal offense and he plays behind an
offensive line that is just dominant at times, and they
upgraded it through the draft. So I think DeVonta Freeman
is relatively safe. He is getting older, he has dealt
with some injuries as of late, so there are a
few risks, but you know, the fundamental things that you
look for when you look for a higher scoring offense,
Like that's one of the biggest things. And Bobby, that's

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what the article I came out with today. So just
to give you guys an idea, Okay, over the last
seven years, we've had eighty four running backs finish as
top twelve options. All right, sixty two percent of them
have come from top twelve offenses top twelve offenses. But
like you know, so you guys understand, they only make
up thirty seven percent of the league. That's it, Okay,

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So when sixty two percent account, it's almost double, So
they have a double the chance if you're in a
top twelve offense to finish as a RB one in
fantasy football. So knowing that the Falcons have a good offense,
that's massive. And I'm sorry if I didn't explain that
as good as I could have. That's why I do
the articles because it's tough to relay that sometimes. But basically,
when you look at teams, the reason I will not

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own a single share of Leveon Bell is because he
may be guaranteed some volume, but he's on a terrible
offense with Adam Gase, that's gonna run so few of plays,
that's going to score a few touchdowns. Well, what's the
difference between Dell and Barkley? Really? I mean, Barkley is
a more talented player at this day in his career.
Bell's probably the more accomplished pass catcher. But Barkley's not
a really bad offense too. Barkley played on that exact

(13:11):
team last year, so we've seen Barkley on the team
he's playing for now. Granted they lost Odell Beckham, so
I do think that they take a slight step backwards,
and that's that's where Barkley there. There is some bus
potential with him. However, we've seen him behind that offensive
line in Pat Schumer's offense. It's not gonna get worse
than it was last year. And last year he was
a tank yet well he was, I mean, he continually
broke big runs. But the thing is, so Leveon Bell,

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here's a stat and this is going to be coming
out in a couple of days, And actually I wrote
a Leveon Bell player profile during his time in Pittsburgh.
During the four years that Leveon Bell was a stud
fantasy football running back, he averaged one point eight four
yards before contact. Okay, that's incredible. Yes, they allowed him
to be patient, which is people praise Leveon Bell all

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the time for being a patient running back. Well, you
need the offensive line to do that. Okay. The Jets
year they allowed their running backs one point one four
yards per contact. That was twenty seventh in the NFL.
I have some serious concerns because Bell, so he goes
from four point h yards per carry to three point
three suddenly in the Jets. That's what exactly. So here's

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the thing. Bell in his career, just one time has
he averaged more than three point zero yards after contact.
So if he's getting one point one yards before contact,
what does that tell you? Therefore, it's like you're looking
at a four point one yards per carry like a
ceiling and then you try and figure out what's he
going to get in the receiving game. How many touchdowns
can he score? There is not a big difference for

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me and with Leveon Bell and Leonard Fournette. But except Fournette,
you can get him in the third or fourth round,
whereas Leveon Bell. If you told me, I can get
Leveon Bell in the third round. I'm all about it.
I'll take that volume in that range. However, with me
for Nick Chub, I've got Nick Chub number ten, Bell eleven,
James Conner twelve, four, Nette thirteen. That's kind of their
own tier in my opinion. Yeah, once you get outside

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even David Johnson and Melvin Gordon range, that next tire
is like tough for me. I like Todd Gurley just
because I know the upside there. I know that that
offense is going to be a top six scoring offense,
so we know the potential. There is some risk involved,
but a lot of times I'll end up taking wide
receivers over those guys, you know. Before we get back
on topic, I want to ask you about sae Quon Barkley.
Like he's on the Giants. It's the worst possible situation.

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I don't know, maybe there's one or two worst situations, right,
But let's say he had been drafted by Dallas Ezekiel
Elliott wasn't there. Would Barkley have eclipse two thousand rushing
yards as a rookie and Dallas probably? I think so too.
That's how good he is, guys. Well, that's the thing is,
like he can do the grinding thing he can. He
can get you those tough yards, but he can also

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bounce runs and break him for long ones, something Ezekiel
Elliott can do for sure, but he doesn't do him
nearly as offen as sa Quan does. So yeah, he's
the best man. He's so good, he's fun to watch.
And that's the thing I tell people, I'm not going
to argue with you if you tell me you're gonna
take Saquon with the top three pick, Like, I'm not
going to argue with people about it. And I would
take him as a top three pick, but it's just

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I need people to understand the risk associated because he's
not a sure thing at number one. That's my point
is that he's no sure thing and ideally you're just
looking to get rid of that risk. And Ezekiel Elliott
has shown every single time he's on the field that
he is like legitimately an elite superstar and his offense
has only gotten better since they added Amari Cooper. Okay,
so I've got Dalvin Cook number nine, Nick Chubb number ten,

(16:21):
four at thirteen, Marlon Mack fourteen, Aaron Jones fifteen. I
think Mac has as much upside as Jones and more
workhorse potential. What do you think about that? I don't know.
He definitely has just as much upside because you have Indianapolis,
another high scoring offense that's best offensive line in the league.
Mind you, Yes, I have them ranked as the number one.
I have Atlanta as number two. Green Bay is still

(16:43):
in the top fifteen. I want to say top twelve maybe,
but they don't have much depth on it if they
stay healthy for once, right, But the thing is they
do have Andrew Luck it is the second year in
that offense, and a Frank Rich They're probably gonna throw
the ball a little bit more. They've added a few
options in the passing game. They do have Nahem High
who's going to steal a lot of that a lot
of that third down work. So Aaron Jones doesn't have

(17:04):
that guy like there is no time on gum around
the team anymore. It's now he's battling Jamal Williams, who
is what he is? You know, he's he's a guy
that could walk in handle a big workload, but he's
he's a plotter, is what he is. So Aaron Jones
to me has three, you know, superstar potential. Marlon Mack does,
but I think his ceiling is a little bit capped,
considering that Naheim Hines is going to have a role

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no matter what, and they have i'd say a lot
deeper pass catching corps, Like they may not have Davante Adams,
but they're a lot deeper in Indianapolis than they are
in Green Bay. How many times do you think Marlon
Mack had more than two receptions in a game last year?
How many times? What did he play? Did he play
thirteen games? I think something like that. Yeah, more than
two receptions. I would probably guess at least half of

(17:47):
his games. Just one dude, just once? What? Yeah, he
had three receptions in Week seventeen. That was the most
he ever had in a game. Holy. I didn't realize
how little he was used there. Well, why would you
when you've got Nike. I think nikem Hines is the
best pass catching and running back in the NFL. When
you watch him plays like, how's this dude not a

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wide receiver? He's so good. He's like Golden Tate out there. Man,
there's a lot, there's there's some really good I mean,
Christian McCaffrey would argue with you about that. David Johnson
is pretty good. Okay, Yeah, and you know I'm a
McCaffrey guy, but watch Nike Hines catch the ball. It's like,
this dude is such a polished receiver. But yeah, I mean,
I'm looking at seventeen receptions in twelve games. That's not good.

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I didn't know that before I started typing up Marlin Mack.
And now I'm really kind of cringing because Holy but
you know, I'm looking at his carries and it's about
the touches, right. Obviously, receptions are worth more because you're
in half PPR, and also because you get more yards
and receptions. But nineteen carries, twenty five, twenty seven, twenty five,
he did that four times. I mean, this guy could

(18:51):
rush three hundred times this season. I'll also say this
though about about Marlin Mack in terms of those big
carry totals, Like there were games like last year that
I think the Colds dfense played a little bit over
their head, because if the defense plays as good as
they did last year and the offense continues to progress,
this team can win a Super Bowl. And I don't
like nobody anticipated the Colts defense being as solid as

(19:12):
they were, So is it possible that they take a
step back, Yeah, it's possible. They've Also they also got
rid of their offensive line coach with which made no
sense to me considering how how well they did in
twenty eighteen. It just didn't make sense. Did they promote
him that they get rid of him? No? No, they
let him go. I can't remember who he went to, um,
but they let him go. And I was just like,
this seems like a weird move, Like, I don't know

(19:34):
why you'd do that. That's really weird, man. I don't know.
Maybe it was right, Maybe it wasn't. The offensive line coach, Yeah, yeah,
And I mean they weren't. They brought in Jgi on
a free agent visit. They ended up signing Spencer Wear,
So it seems like they're just grabbing some depth, you know,
to have behind those guys. Jordan Wilkins is still there,
but I just think Max Upside is capped, like especially now,
like realizing there was one game where he had more

(19:55):
than two receptions. That's crazy. It's kind of like Sony
Michelle territory, where it's like Sony plays on a eat offense.
An offensive line is really freaking good. He doesn't catch
passes though, So yeah, Marlon Mack is definitely behind that
tier for me, and I think I just moved him
down just based on what you said. So what is
this tier for you? Then at the top of the
RB twos, do you do you have Dalvin Cook, Nick Chubb,
Leonard Fournette, Aaron Jones or does it continue? I have

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Chub at ten, I have four Nett at eleven, I
have Dalvin Cook at twelve, James Conner at thirteen, Aaron
Jones at fourteen, and then Marlon Mack at fifteen. So
those are like now you would put Mac in that
tier or that's just where it continues. That's where it continues,
like my rankings. But I would say Aaron Jones the law.
He's someone that I'm going to end up with a lot.
I know I'm going to and it's like, you know,

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sometimes you have to take a stance and say, Okay,
I don't care where I'm drafting out in the third round,
I'm gonna take Aaron Jones and I think I'm there. Well,
I like you were with Kareem Hunt and everyone was like,
you're a lunatic, dude. You gotta wait for the fifth
round to get him. You were right, Yeah, his rookie season. Yeah,
when we were saying it, I was saying I'd be
willing at the end of the second beginning of the third.
That's kind of where I'm moving towards with Aaron Jones.

(21:00):
It's just I do want to pay attention to this
team in the preseason. I want to see what Matt
Laflour says. If he says, Aaron Jones has earned the
job and you know, we're gonna let him run with it,
and that would be the biggest thing because if they
do so, if he comes out and makes it clear
that this is Aaron Jones's job and he's going to
be the workhorse, I will move Aaron Jones up ahead
of Leonard Fournette. I'd probably put him in my I
might put him top ten. Yeah. Wow. Man, Okay, So

(21:22):
you say you've got him at the beginning of the
third round. I'm looking at my overall rankings right now.
I'm probably not going to get him in the third
round a lot because Leonard Fournette's going to be there,
and I've got him at overall number twenty five. Aaron
Jones is overall number twenty six, but I'm with you
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So this second tier in the RB two range, I
I'd like to begin it with Josh Jacobs. I've got

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DeVonta Freeman, and then it gets kind of hairy with
Damian Williams, Derrick Henry Sony Michelle, Chris Carson. You know,
I like Chris Carson, but I've been moving them down
my board just because the Rashad Penny hype is not
going away with Chris Carson having this injury. I love
Penny too, and if they're really going to split the workload,
sure I want them both, but I'm not allowed to
get Chris Carson anymore. Yeah, I mean, ideally, I'm gonna

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grab one of my top like fifteen running backs. I
know Damian Williams isn't gonna fall to me. I have
him as my number sixteen running back, right behind Aaron
Jones and Marlon Max. So it's like part of that
group that those guys are on elite offenses. So I'm
not I'm not opposed to them, but I will say this,
if I get Damian Williams and like, if he falls
into the third round and I ended up snagging him there,
I am gonna pay for Carlos Hide. I might reach

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around just to make sure that I grab him, just
because that is one of those situations where it goes
back to when people talked about spencer Ware and Kareem
Hunt when he was drafted. It was like, even before
spencer Ware was hurt, we talked about in the show
and I said, given their costs because spencer Ware was
falling because people thought Kareem Hunt might take it over,
and it was like a third and an eighth round pick,

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and I said, if you're gonna tell me I have
to trade a third and an eighth round pick for
RB one production, I'll do that every every day of
the week. So if you if you take Damian Williams, okay,
I have no issue with it, that's fine. We've seen
him produce. I have concerns, but make sure you handcuff him.
He's one of those guys. He's a rare case where
I don't really handcuff running backs, but I would actually

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pay for Carlos Hide in that situation. I agree with that.
And you know, if Damian Williams was certain to be
on the field, I think he'd be a late first
round pick. But the reason he's not being drafted there
is because everyone's not so sure what to expect. So
if you're if you're completely against the idea that Carlos
Hide has any chance in this job, take Williams in
the second round. Put your money where your mouth is,
but you don't believe it. Otherwise you would if if

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you're saying that Damien Williams is going to play all
sixteen games, you take him in the second round. You
don't even think about anything else because if he's guaranteed
to play sixteen games, and as he's the starter there,
he's going to finish his a top twelve running back.
So I mentioned Josh Jacobs and DeVonta Freeman at the
top of this tier. I think I'd make them maybe
their own tier and maybe put Marlon Mack at the
top of that. Now that we see his reception numbers,

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and this is where it would end for me. I
want my RB two to be one of these top
seventeen running backs. If it's not, I don't feel good
about my team at all. I'd love to have Sony Michelle,
but as an RB three, i'd love Latavius Murray. Now
he's like an RB four for a lot of people.
I have him in the RB two conversation, James White
is there for me as well? Carrie and Johnson treat

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Cohen's kind of ride at the end there for me.
And then we got Mark Ingram, Phillip Lindsay, David Montgomery,
Kennyan Drake. They're all just kind of blah. But I
wouldn't mind having any of those guys as my RB three.
You know, I said that there's rare cases where I'll
handcuff somebody. I think one more that I would say
is Sony Michelle. Sony Michelle, I have his seventeen So
I like Sony and I believe that, like we saw

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even during the playoff run, the Patriots started to trust
him more and he dominated like he did exactly what
they needed him to do. He played extremely well, Like
there's little reason to think that he would have lost
the coach's trust during their playoff run because he was,
you know, one of the MVPs of their playoff run.
He really was. Now the issue is his knee as well.
He's someone that's dealing He had his knee drained again.
It's like his third knee surgery in the past like

(27:24):
four years. It's not good. And what did you expect
like we knew this was going to happen when he
was drafted. Yeah, the Patriots kind of knew what they
were getting into, right, and then he had to drain
right before training camp began. He ended up missing all
of training camp and the preseason and it was like
it took him some time to get in there. Now
he had it done before he from what I hear,
he should be ready for training camp. He should be fine.

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So I am still gonna draft Sony Michelle has an
RB two. He has RB one upside, he really does,
and knowing that they've lost a lot of the targets,
I think he should be involved a little bit more
in the passing game this year. But cover your butt.
Cover it with a cheap handcuff. And I say cheap
because I mean Damian Harris is going outside the top
twelve rounds in most drafts. Like this is like Alvin
Kamara two years ago and James Connor last year. In

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every single episode Tags, we were begging people to draft
those guys because they were so cheap. That's Damian Harris
this year, guys. YEP, I think Damien Harris, if he
walked into that job, you're getting Top twelve production on
a weekly basis. He would walk in into exactly what
Sony Michelle did last last year. So I think he's
one of those guys where it's like, just to make
sure if Sony's knee isn't right, they will not hesitate
to go to their third round pick. Yep. I agree

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with that, all right, man? So who else do you
have in this back end RB two range? Yeah? A
lot of people are going to tell me that Derrick
Henry should be in that conversation, that he should be higher,
and you know he's being drafted higher than that, But
I can't really, I just can't totally get behind him
because he's someone that he's not going to be utilized
in the passing game as much as people want to say.
It makes me feel like Jordan Howard, you know, like
when people talk themselves into he just wasn't targeted. How

(28:51):
can he show you his hands if he's not targeted.
He's not targeted for a reason. Derrick Henry hasn't been
a pass catcher his entire career. What makes people think
that it's going to happen this year with Dion Lewis
still on the roster. It's a bad offense Tennessee is
they're very likely to finish a bottom ten scoring team.
I would be shocked if they got out of the
bottom ten. But it's it's just not a very good
team and he's gonna be game script dependent. I just

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don't love Derrick Henry. I don't think he's like the
worst RB two that you're like, oh my god, I
just lost my draft. Like if you walked away with
Lamar Miller as your RB two, you're not psyched about it.
If you have Kenyan Drake as your RB two, you're like, eh,
But Derrick Henry, he presents upside, Like he does have
weak winning upside, but you better have some stability elsewhere
in your lineup if you plan on rostering him. All right, tag,

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So who else do you have in this back end
RB two range? Does James White make the cut for you?
James White is like right, he's teetering right, and he's
like someone that it really depends on what type of
league you play, and if you're like in a half
PPR or PPR, he's obviously worth a lot more. If
you're in full PPR, I'm okay with James White is
like a back end. RB two is someone because you're
probably gonna be able to get him in like the
four end of the fourth fifth round in that territory,

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which means your wide receivers are probably going to be stacked,
and that's how you kind of want it in PPR format.
So if you get one stud running back and then
go wide receivers for the next few rounds and end
up with James White is your RB two, I'm not
mad about that. I just have a I have trouble
putting him over guys like Chris Carson or like a
Philip Lindsay, guys that we've seen do it and maybe
have upside, Like I might put James White ahead of

(30:18):
Philip Lindsay just because we do have some Royce Freeman concerns,
like about him stealing more work. But the question becomes
is like do you take him over guys like David Montgomery,
And it's like, you know you're missing out on some
upside there, right, because David Montgomery has the potential to
finish the top fifteen Fantasy running back. But then again,
James White was top ten last year, so I probably
should have James White higher to be on us with you.

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So I'm gonna give you four names. You tell me
where you have them ranked. Okay, yep, where do you
have Latavius Murray? Latavius Murray is at thirty thirty? Okay,
all right, I've got him at twenty two. I'd treat
Cohen twenty eight twenty five from me, mark Ingram twenty
six twenty six. Good deal. We agree on that one,
and then the last one. Some people have Tevin Coleman

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as an RB two. Where do you have him? I
am at thirty three, and I'm not totally against him
as like a flex player, but I don't want to
depend on him as an RB two. I just think
it's gonna be somewhat of a time sharre in San Francisco. Yep,
I've got him RB thirty one, and I've got him
tagged as a player to avoid, so I'm not especially
interested there. We have it for our RB two primer.
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All right, man, so let's talk the NFC North and
your bear is one the division, so we'll start with them.
We know what you feel about Mitch Trubisky, but why
don't you give us a quick refresher. Yeah, Trubisky, I
mean he was someone that I actually talked on the
Scott fish Bowl podcast they had yesterday, and they asked
me about Trubisky and they were saying that he's become
a favorite for the MVP and that people are betting.

(32:50):
I'm like, wait a minute, wait anute, we have to
stop that conversation because he's not a favorite for the MVP.
He's a favorite among gamblers because his odds to win
MVP are two hundred to one or something like, Oh
that's stupid. Yeah, so it's crazy high odds, and that's
why he's become a favorite. It's like a quarterback with
those type of odds on a you know, a young
quarterback that should take a step in the right direction.

(33:10):
I get it, but he's not gonna win MVP. But well,
I don't know, man, they have one of the best
teams in the NFL. If they win fourteen fifteen games
and he has a high touchdown rate with his rushing ability,
he could win the MVP. But so many people will
tie it to the defense. Is he better than Cam Newton?
I think he's in a conversation, right, Well, so many
people will tie it to the defense, right, Like, that's

(33:30):
what people are going to tie it to. And that well,
I mean Caroline had a great defense. When Cam Newton
won the MVP. How many touchdowns did he have? Like thirty?
What's crazy about this, Bobby, is that Cam Newton last
year he threw twenty four touchdowns thirteen interceptions. Trubisky twenty
four touchdowns, twelve interceptions. Cam Newton ran for four n
on eighty eight yards, Trubisky fourner in twenty one yards.
They both played fourteen games. I mean, there were so

(33:51):
many similarities in their stat lines. But Trubisky was playing
with all new pass catchers, with a whole new offensive line,
in a whole new offense. I think Trubisky can take
a step forward, and I think he does that have
that that ceiling of like a five six hundred yards rushing.
He could rush for four to six touchdowns. And he's
a better passer. Yes, he is a better passer than
Cam Newton. It's not even close. Is this a conversation? Unfortunately?

(34:14):
I mean, I know some people are going to fight
you at Mike Taglaer NFL on Twitter, but but it's not.
It's not close. But no, that's things. So if you
take that rushing and you throw in four thousand passing yards,
which is definitely within reach for him, in thirty touchdowns,
you're talking about a top five fantasy quarterback, top six
whatever in that territory. So to get someone like him
right now is his prices outside the top eighteen quarterbacks

(34:36):
And that's just crazy. He's he's one of the better
steals at quarterback if you want to wait. All right, man,
I like Mitch Rubisky too. I mean, there's a couple
of guys I like more so I'm not going to
have many shares of Trubisky. I like his upside. I
think he's also safe because of the rushing abilities. I
think of him more along the lines is like remember
when everyone wanted to draft Tyrod Taylor. M He's safe,
Like Tyrod Taylor, and he's got a big ceiling because

(34:58):
he can pass a lot better than Tyrod Taylor, for sure,
and he's built a little bit bigger, so he should
have better durability than some guys like that. He's Mitch
isn't a small guy. But I mean, the reason I
like Trubisky so much is because you know we're going
to talk about these guys right now. Is the pass
catchers is like you go to last year and you
had Alan Robinson coming off the torn acl He didn't
get to participate in all the offseason programs. He did
get out for training camp, but I'm sure he was

(35:20):
somewhat limited. He got hurt in the season two. And
then you had Anthony Miller who was dealing with a
broken foot before the NFL Draft in like five separated
shoulders and I'm not exaggerated either. He separated his shoulder exactly,
they said like five different times. But he continued to
play through it. And Anthony Miller played well when he
was on the field, So it's like this kid should
only take a step forward. In the second year, Trey
Burton had some injuries at the end of the season.

(35:41):
I'm not don't have crazy high hopes for Trey Burton,
but he's solid. And then you added you know, tere
Cohen and David Montgomery, who's now a better pass catcher,
and it's like, all of a sudden, there's a lot
of guys in this offense, and it's like there's only
so many miles to feed, and it's like instead of
trying to pick which one is going to do, what, like,
just take the guy distributing the ball. And again, this
really should be a top twelve scoring offense with Matt

(36:03):
Naggy and Bobby here's my take for here's what I have.
Seventy five percent. Seventy five percent of top twelve quarterbacks
come from top twelve offenses. That means eight of the
top twelve offenses will produce a top twelve fantasy quarterback.
And I think Mitch Trubisky is gonna be in that
conversation this year. You know what tags, I'm from Saint Louis,

(36:24):
and you know in Saint Louis we are trained to
hate all things Chicago. I don't like the Bears. I
love the Bears in fantasy football this season, man, I
want all the shares of Alan Robinson. You guys know,
I'm gonna have more shares of David Moore because I
can get him at the end of draft. But Alan
Robinson is the wide receiver too that I want. And
if I had to have him as my wide receiver one,

(36:44):
that means that I've got Travis Kelsey and two stud
running backs. That's fine. I'll use Alan Robinson as my
wide receiver one. I want all the shares. His adpie's
way too low. Yeah, I'm good with Alan Robinson. Like
he's the number one on this team now. Is there
a chance that Anthony Miller breakout? For sure? But as
of now, I think Alan Robinson is the number one
receiver on this team, and he's being drafted around a

(37:04):
bunch of wide receiver twos, like the guys like DJ Moore,
Guys like Calvin Ridley, Sammy Watkins is the number two
to Tyreek Hill when he's on the field, Chris Godwin.
Those are all guys going ahead of Alan Robinson right
now who could be the number one. And it's like
we didn't get to see a full healthy season. We didn't.
He didn't get a full off season season in the
new offense to develop any chemistry with your bisky. So

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I think Allen Robinson's a phenomenal bounce back candidate, and
if I can get him as a wide receiver three,
I'm even more psyched because I know he has, like
you know, that top eighteen potential. Yep, I would I
wouldn't mind whatsoever. You know, if I've got the five
six turn grabbing Allen Robinson and Mike Williams right there,
it's my wide receiver one wide receiver two. Um. I
like both those receivers. And know what's crazy to me

(37:46):
is that, like Robbie Anderson is being drafted right next
to those guys. Isn't that stupid? That's gross. Calvin Ridley
is wide receiver twenty and adp Alan Robinson's wide receiver thirty.
Guys crazy crazy all right, other wide receivers you already
talked abou Anthony Miller. I think he's got some breakout potential,
so I don't mind draft him at the end of drafts.
Behind him, though I'm not really seeing it. I don't

(38:07):
want to draft Taylor Gabriel, Cordarell, Patterson, Riley Ridley. I
like Emmanuel Hall and Dynasty, but not in redraft. You
don't draft to wide receiver three from them, barrass do
you Yeah, I don't think you need to Taylor Gabriel.
How many people realize he saw like ninety two targets
last year, which is just it's crazy high. Twenty two
more than Tyler Lockett. Friends. Yeah, if he was going
to get that many targets again, I'd say draft him

(38:29):
because he's someone that's actually due for reverse instead of
Tyler Lockett, Like Taylor Gabriel's due for reverse like touchdown regression,
like touchdown progression is more like it. He would be
someone that would be in that category. But unfortunately, as
I mentioned, you're gonna have healthy pass catchers coming back
and these guys growing in year two, where I don't
think that we're going to see anything more than maybe
seventy seventy five targets to Taylor Gabriel. And what that means,

(38:52):
it's like he's going to have some Fantasy relevant weeks.
And what you do is you just look at the
schedule and you say, if I have a bye week,
if I need to pick up Taylor Gabriel, that's fine
because you could just look at the wide receiver matchups
and if if Alan Robinson's going to be shut down
by a top tier corner. You might want to start
to look at someone like Taylor Gabriel as a bye
week replacement, but you don't need to draft him though.
Nat tags behind the top three tight ends and then

(39:14):
Oj Howard and Hunter Henry. I don't like anybody, but
if I had to pick someone, I'd be fine with
Trey Burton. Fred Burton was the top ten tied end
last year. He's going to begin this year. He's very just.
He is what he is. You know, he's not the
guy that everybody thought he was going to be coming
out of Philadelphia. Coming into the Bears offense, they thought,
you know, top five potential. I was one of those
guys that felt like the targets might be there in

(39:35):
Matt Naggie's offense. But you know, Trubisky didn't lock onto
any one target. They spread the ball around very well.
And but Burton is again, he was someone that was
dealing with injuries a little bit. He was his first
year in the offense. So it would it surprised me
if he's a top twelve tight end again, No, it wouldn't,
and that's I have him ranked as such. I'm not
excited about him, Like, if I don't wind up with
one of the top six or seven tight ends, I'm

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gonna be streaming the position. And if you grabbed Trey Burton,
it's possible he turns into more than he was last year.
But as of right now, I kind of put him
in that streaming territory eleventh round right now, Okay, you
don't have a tight end. Vance McDonald's on the board,
Trey Burton's on the board. Who are you taken? I
will take Vance McDonald just because I feel like there's us.
I think it's a similar target ceiling for those two.

(40:18):
I think actually McDonald palably has a higher ceiling, just
considering like the lost targets that they've had in Pittsburgh
and knowing that if Dante Moncrief starts like that's not
a guy that you're going to target a whole ton
Juju Smith Schuster is going to start dealing with top
tier cornerbacks and it's going to change things a bit.
And Vance McDonald has I'll take the upside in Vance
McDonald because I think that there's actually a chance that
he finishes top six, whereas Trey Burton, he's probably gonna

(40:41):
be top ten, top twelve, but he's just very He's
not sexy. That's fine. Yeah, it's kind of like Kyle Rudolf.
Obviously different players, but in terms of just draftability, you know,
younger Kyle rid Off. Kyle Rudoff. Right now, I've got
a tight end fourteen, so not as excited. I'd probably
just wait and grab Jby Graham and like the last
round is what I would do if I was in

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that situation. But between the two, I think I prefer
Burton over Vance McDonald. Now at the running back position,
we both like David Montgomery, but it's no guarantee that
he's going to be the starter going into the season,
is it. No? And that's the weird part. Could this
be like a Peyton Barber Ronald Jones kind of thing?
It could be. It could be like a Rashad Penny thing.
You know. It's like where Mike Davis is there and

(41:23):
Matt Nagee sees them both running next to each other,
and Penny was drafted in the first round. Montgomery was
a third round pick. Now did the Bears trade up
for him? Sure they did. Do I like David Montgomery,
I sure do. I think Mike Davis is as a
quality running back though, too, and it's like they paid
him I think it was three or four million dollars
a year to come there, So it wasn't like peanuts.
Granted they didn't have David Montgomery and the roster when

(41:43):
that happened, But this is looking more and more like
it's like a backfield that I don't know if it's
going to be as predictable as we all thought. Where
it was just like, uh, Mike Davis is going to
walk into that, Jordan Howard roll to Riet Cohen's going
to continue doing what he does. It's not that way anymore, right,
And like the fact that Mike Davis is there, it
gives me a little plause about David Montgomery, not because

(42:04):
Mike Davis is a world beater, but because they brought
him to the roster for a reason. And do they
involve him a little bit? Do they give him, let's say,
four to six touches a game and then you take
away to Ric Cohen's, you know, five to eight touches
per game, and all of a sudden, we're looking at
David Montgomery as like a fifteen touch running back and
it's not that that's bad, but he doesn't have the
ceiling then that you're that you were looking for when
you drafted, which is why David Montgomery to me, is

(42:27):
teetering on that low end RB two, high end RB
three conversation that has upside for more, but he's no
lock for production. He is the same in my mind
as mark Ingram, Philip Lindsay, and Kenyan Drake. That's the
tier I'm putting him in, and I think all four
are very similar in that they've got upside, but we're
not exactly sure what we're gonna get. That's exactly the

(42:48):
tier I have been to you nailed at Chris Carson,
David Montgomery, Philip Lindsay, mark Ingram. That's the territory that
he's in for me, where it's like guys that I
believe they're going to start, and like mark Ingram, he's
not gonna get much in the passing game. Justice Hill's
a better receiver. Obviously, tere Cohen's a better receiver too,
but Chris Carson's dealing with Rashot and Penny. I don't
know Man's it's pretty tough. But we did see Jordan

(43:09):
Howard again, somebody that has stone Hands, you know, finish
as a top twenty running back in this offense last
year and a down year, so there is production to
be had. And we also saw Alex Collins finish as
a great running back with you know, in mark Ingram's
offense once Lamar Jackson took over. Now, I don't think
you should put Chris Carson on that tier because here's
the difference. David Montgomery's not going to be a top
ten running back. Chris Carson could be a top five

(43:31):
running back. That's it's probably true. It's probably true. But
even Carson was someone they didn't use as much in
the passing game as I would necessarily like. But but
it doesn't matter if he rushes the ball twenty times
in a game. But here's the thing about Chris Carson is,
you know, David Montgomery had probably give him an eighty
percent chance he starts every week. Chris Carson's probably like

(43:51):
fifty five to sixty. Yeah. Yeah, there's more volatility for sure,
where it's like if he struggles a little bit, you know,
Rashad Penny is gonna get a shot, and if Sean
Penny gets a shot, it's over. I mean, Chris Carson's great,
but Rashad Penny is not giving up a starting job
because he's amazing. I think that there actually could be production,
like fantasy like viable production from both Chris Carson and
Rashad Penny this year, with Penny having them like a

(44:12):
bigger breakout potential and you're getting him from much cheaper.
All right, last guy, we need to talk about his
treet Cohen. I know you're not as excited about him.
I don't really understand why he was really good last year. Man,
he was the top fifteen running back. Yeah. I don't
hate tre Cohen, but there was there was definitely some
splash plays last year that really helped allow him get
into that top fifteen territory. I mean, but that's who
he is. He's the human joystick, right, and that he's

(44:35):
kind of like that James White Ish player. I think
there's less options to worry about on the Patriots than
there isn't the Bears. So I can't put ahead of
James White like. I can't do that, But can I
put a Trek Cohen ahead of guys like Lamar Miller,
mark Ingram, Philip Lindsay. I could see people doing that,
but I think you're just gonna have a more volatile player.
I just don't think that the Bears offense. That's fine.

(44:57):
I'm yeah, and I'm okay with a more volatile player.
I think that's the different between us. And that's why
I've got him ahead of that last range that we
talked about. I got him twenty five, Ingram twenty six,
Lindsay Montgomery Drake twenty seven through twenty nine. Yeah, that's fair.
All right, Let's move on to the next team in
the division. The Minnesota Vikings finished eight seven and one
last year. A lot of people thought that they were
one of the Super Bowl favorites. I think they could

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get back to that conversation this year and a lot
of people are forgetting about them. They've got a healthy
Dalvin Cook. They've got finally healthy offensive line. Last year
they were a train wreck, and their defense is still
really good. They've got maybe the best wide receiver won
two punch in the league. Team has a lot of talent.
Tags they do this is this is an offense that
could be, you know, a top twelve unit. We don't

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know that for certain. There are a lot of miscommunications
and then firing of the offensive coordinator is Kevin Stefowski?
Is he the answer? I don't know. It's really tough
for me to say, because Kirk Cousins looked like trash
down the stretch. With that being said, he does have
phenomenal pass catchers at his disposal. I have him at
number fifteen quarterback. He's not someone that I'm necessarily targeting.

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He's more like someone like if I'm playing the streaming game,
I think Kirk Cousins is going to be a lot
more viable as a streamer than people think. What about
super flex leagues? Would he be a target of yours
in that? In super Flex? Yeah, I think he's playable
in that for sure. But a lot of times I'll
get Rubiski or Dak Prescott like where I want them
over Cousins, and that's I'd rather have those guys just
because they give me that rushing floor and then I

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don't have to worry about the volatility, especially if it's
a meaningful game. Mister Kirk Cousins. I love Kirk Cousins
man in fantasy football. In real life football, he could
grow a little bit, you know what I mean. But
you look at what he's done. QB eight QB five,
QB six, QB thirteen. Those are four years starting. That's
really good. I like Kirk Cousins in super flex. I

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like him at the very end of drafts. If I
don't get Jamis Winston ahead of him, and if I
don't get Dak Prescott, those are my three targets this year. Winston, Prescott, Cousins.
And that's assuming I can't get Aaron Rodgers in the
fifth round. If I can, I'm pulling the trigger all day, baby. Yeah.
And as super flex, I think Kirk Cousins is like
one of the better targets for sure, just because he's
a guy that's locked into his job. He's not losing it. Yeah.

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Are you worried that they're going to throw the ball
less this year? I think they want to throw the
ball less. I think they want to play good defense.
I think they want to run the ball with Dalvin
Cook and that's ideally what they do. That offensive line
is going to take some time to develop the continuity
that they want, but it's tough to say. Again they're
changing like the offense they changed on the fly towards
the end of last season, which is really tough to do.

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So there's a lot of unanswered questions because we really,
we just don't know a whole lot about Stefanski's offense.
So a lot of people are betting on Mitch Trubisky,
and I can understand that. At two hundred and one,
my bet is on Kirk Cousins winning the NFL MVP
because I think the Vikings. If I'm ranking the teams
in the NFC right now, I think it's number one,
the Saints. Number two. I'll go with the Packers and

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we'll talk about that in a little bit. Number three
of the Bears, number four the Vikings. After that is
probably the Eagles, Cowboys, Rams all in a group. The
Rams lost a lot. I don't think people realize how
much they've lost on defense and the offensive line. And
they'll be back there because they're in the NFC West,
second easiest division behind the AFC East, and it's really
not even close. AFC East is by far the worse.
But you know, I think the Vikings could win the NFC,

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could win thirteen fourteen games if they do. Kirk Cousins
throws six hundred passes. He was one of only four
guys to do that last year. He's always had a
low touchdown right, just like Matt Ryan. And remember what
happened with Matt Ryan. Suddenly it's spiked up. That's going
to happen from time to time. If it spikes up
to seven percent. Kirk Cousins throws forty five touchdowns with
forty five hundred yards, He's the NFL MVP. I'm sorry. Yeah,

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his past attempts cut down towards the second half of
last year. And that's what makes me worry about it
a little bit, is because at the beginning of the
year they had him thrown them ball fifty plus times
on multiple occasions. And that's when we saw Adam Dealan
put up you know banana numbers, and then as the
season went on, they slowly raked those back. It was like, Okay,
this isn't working. We don't want to be a shootout team. Well,
they got the new OC and Dalvin Cook was finally

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healthy so they could feed him the rock. And I agree.
I'm a little concerned too. I'm still targeting him though, Yeah,
I don't mind him. He's not someone that like I'm
avoiding by any means. Like, I think I'm definitely higher
than the consensus on him. At fifteen. But he's just
not someone that I'm winding up with in a lot
of teams. So we just talked about Dalvin Cook. We'll
move on from him. I want to talk about his
backup running back though. Do you think it's Madison? Do

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you think it's Boon? Do you want to own either?
It's got it's probably Madison. Considering the draft equity they
used on him, it just kind of tells me that
they weren't really happy, like they didn't feel okay with
Boone as the backup. So I don't think you need
to waste a draft pick on it, though, because again,
this is not an offensive line that's dominant or anything
like that. It could be a high scoring offense for sure,
but again I don't want to bet on injury, and

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even though Dalvin Cook has been injured his first couple
of years in the league, I tend to bet the
other way. So I don't think that he's one you
necessarily need to handcuff at all. Though I'm looking at
the handcuffs in the NFL, man, there's seven or eight
of them I'd rather have than Madison or Boon. I
think it's probably Madison ahead of Boone. You know how
much I like Mike Boone, But like, let's be honest,
they drafted Madison there, he's probably the backup. Now, we

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thought the same thing about John Kelly, and it was
Malcolm Brown. But they're different types of players. Madison is
not a John Kelly pass catcher first type of guy.
He's a He's a plotter man and he's a pretty
good one. So it would be a good situation for
him to fall into. I think this is a pretty
good offense, but I'm not drafting him. I'd rather have
Justin Jackson, Raich, Well Armstead. I'd rather have Darryl Henderson obviously,

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and then Carlos Hyde, whereas Freeman. Obviously, those guys are
being drafted, but I mean there's a lot of them.
If you're drafting a backup running back, you go get
yourself a Justice Hill, a Damien Harris, not an Alexander Madison. Yeah,
to me, Madison is nothing like legitimately, nothing more than
a handcuff and not even a great one, just because
we don't know if he has that job, and two
we don't even know if it's a great situation he'd

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walk into. If something did happen to Dalvin Cook, but
there is absolutely zero chance he takes that job from
Dalvin Cook. So IRV Smith obviously isn't gonna get the
jobs since Kyle Rudolph is still there. Where do you
draft Rudolf though, because obviously his targets are gonna get
cut into, right, don't you don't draft coward off? Okay,
he's someone that I actually have outside my top twenty
tight um man. Yeah, I know he finished top ten
last year, but a lot of that is based on

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one game at the end of the season, like I
think it was Week seventeen. Actually, if you take away
that game, he was like he was terrible, like anybody
that anybody that owned Kyle Rudolph will tell you he
was terrible last year and he was something I did
and he was. Yeah, So he's someone that No, he's
definitely let someone else draft him if they want to.
And not only does IERF Smith he's going to get
on the field because IRF Smith is kind of like

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a pro ready tight end after playing at Alabama, but
Kyle Rudolph was already declining. He didn't mesh very well
with Kirk Cousins. So no, take the receivers and fade
Kyle Rudolph. You know, I don't mind Rudolph so much
because he had more receiving yards and receptions last year
than the year before when he was what tight end
five or six. The only difference was the touchdowns. But

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with IRV Smith coming into town, not as excited. See,
I've got him tight end seventeen, right behind Austin Hooper
and Chris Herndon. And you know, I'm not a big
fan of either of those guys. Obviously, I'm not gonna
have any Rudolph shares. Yeah, Bobby, it was. It was
Week sixteen. Yeah, Actually he had nine touches for one
hundred and twenty two yards and two touchdowns. Well, we
could spin it and say, well, if he was so
good at the end of the season, maybe they're gonna

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start using them a lot more with a new offensive coordinator.
Nine of his last eleven games nutted less than forty
yards and no touchdowns. That sounds like any tight end
except for a top five games, right. That's why I
say he's a streamer. That's what he is. Yeah, he
is a streamer. Yeah, and he's not one that you
draft either. Okay, So wide receivers, we come to Adam
Thelandstefon Diggs. There's nobody else. You're not drafting lake Wine

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Treadwell or Chad be the So first of all, digs
are theeling and would you grab one in the third
round or you're not really targeting either. I'm not winding
up with either of them, and to be honest with you,
and it's not because I don't like them. Because I
have Diggs at number thirteen, I have Theelan at number fourteen,
and so they're right next to each other. Like I'm
tired of trying to guess between these two. I think

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Diggs has potentially more upside, but Theelan has been more
consistent than Diggs the last couple of years. They're both
top ten talented receiver US in the NFL. Yeah, they're
both very good. Like Diggs I think is more talented,
like I think Diggs like is one of those guys
I watch when he runs routes and he's just phenomenal.
I think he's more athletic. I think Theland's the better receiver.

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They're they're both really good, but but Diggs does things
that I think Theeland can't do on the perimeter. Oh definitely. Yeah.
But either way, the reason I'm not if you're if
you're drafting one of these guys, though, you're not getting
Aaron Jones or Leonard Fournette. Sorry, correct. And that's basically
the reason that I don't have any exposure to these guys.
And it's not to say that they're bad picks. I'm not.
I refuse to say that, because they're both fantastic, but
I just don't own them because I'm not taking running

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backs in the first two rounds like some people are,
and I'm taking Jones or I'm taking Fournette, and if
those guys are gone, then I start looking at the receivers.
And if Jones or Fournette went, that probably means that
someone like Amari Cooper aj Green is still on the
board for me. Yep. And you know what, if I
have a top three pick, I'm getting a running back,
no doubt about it. And you know what, if Todd

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Gurley is still there at the end of the second,
I'm grabbing him, and then I'll grab Leonard Fournett or
Aaron Jones. I don't mind having three running backs just
because I'm like the wide receivers. You can get later.
And obviously I'm waiting at quarterback, so I wouldn't mind
that so much. But yeah, I'm with you. I don't
have any shares of digs or theeling. I've got them
right there in that tier with Keenan, Allen, t Y Hilton,
and I would maybe put Brandon Cooks in that tier too.

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AJ Green is going overall. He's going six spots after
Adam Dealan and ADP. Right now, I thought you met
at wide receiver. Even still, that's ridiculous. Man. Theland is
number ten receiver in ADP and Green is thirteenth. I've
got Adia Green number seven, Theland number fourteen. Yep, I
have Aja Green up at number eight. Who are these people? Yeah,
that's crazy. That's got to fix itself over time. You

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would think it wouldn't. I don't know, though. I mean,
at least if someone's drafting today, they're a more serious drafter.
Wait till the more casual fans get in there. I
don't know, man, I think where you're gonna keep getting
this deal on AJ Green and now watch he's gonna
get like, you know, some flukey injury and make us
look like idiots. But that's my worst nightmares that I'm
in the middle of the third round and I'm staring
at AJ Green and Aaron Jones, and I'm like, what

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do I do? Like, because I want a both? Can
I Can I trade this pick for like the next two.
I forgot the ad Green would be there in the
third round because I got him so high. Man. Yeah,
it's crazy. I mean, if I had to, I would
take AJ Green top twenty the end of the second
round for sure. Yeah all right, man, Let's move on
to the next team. I mentioned the Green Day Packers

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as one of the best teams in the NFC. I
really believe this. I think they have the most improved
defense and really not even close. I think it's the
top ten defense in the NFL, with an outside chance
at being top five. But let's talk about their fantasy implications.
Aaron Rodgers has two legs this year. Tax is he
your quarterback? One? He is my quarterback? One? Oh man,
you're in trouble. On Twitter, they will make death threats

(55:39):
at me because I don't have Patrick Mahomes at number one.
I think that there is three quarterbacks that can contend
for the number one spot. Aaron Rodgers, Patrick Mahomes and
Deshaun Watson. Those are the three quarterbacks. I think Andrew Luck.
A lot of people would put Luck there, but I agree,
I think Watson has more upside than Luck. I don't
know if Luck has those massive games that he needs, like,
I don't think that offense is going to do that.
But yeah, those are the three, and Rodgers just has

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a history that I can't ignore. And so basically, if
I'm taking a quarterback as high as it requires one
of those guys to go that, I'm going to take
the guy that has a track record of legitimately like
ten years of like top two production. So every single
year he's played sixteen healthy games, no at least ten.
As long as he's played at least ten games, he's
finished as a top two quarterback. So I agree with
you and Aaron Rodgers. Obviously we don't need to talk

(56:23):
about him too long. I mean, would you pull the
trigger in the late fourth round if he needed to,
depending on who was there and how my board fell.
But I usually don't need to in the drafts that
I do. Typically, like I got him in Best Ball
the other day. I think I got him at seven eleven.
I was like you gotta be kidding, But yeah, it
was crazy. I knew quarterbacks were falling. That's why I
was willing to wait even longer. But I was like, Okay,
I'm not going to let this go on anymore. What

(56:43):
the heck, dude, it's crazy free money, it's crazy well
in ECR right now. We had posted something on our
Instagram the other day that Aaron Rodgers is the number
four quarterback in ECR, and I was like, you guys,
what are we doing? Like stop, Like I don't understand man.
Recent he biases at an all time high right now.
I think they're expecting him to play on one leg again.

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That must what it is. Maybe, yeah, And even so
he'll finish with his second most passing yards again and
only two interceptions. He was incredible last year, even on
one leg. He just his touchdown right, was down And
that's not sustainable. Yeah. No. So my issue with everything
is like when I start looking at it and I'm like,
guys like Darius Geiss and Tyler Boyd were being drafted

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in front of Aaron Rodgers and I was like, like,
where are we at now as a fantasy community? Like
to let that happen? See that's why you play super
flex leagues, like we gotta make quarterbacks more important. This
is stupid. Well, he's more important than that. I'm not
taking those guys over Aaron Rodgers. And that's why it's
like in the fifth round. If you take Rogers in
the fifth round, I will never argue with that pick.
At the end of the fourth It's like, basically, if

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you're outside the territory of guys that are going to
give you like locked in production, that you know that
they're going to be a production, that's okay to take
Rodgers and those guys are nothing. Don't tell me that
Tyler Boyd is a lock for production because he had
one good year. Yeah. For me, it ends with at
wide receiver, Robert Woods, my wide receiver, sixteen running back.
I would say right around that, Josh jacob sony Michelle

(58:09):
Range so RB twenty one, twenty two, and then I
would take Aaron Rodgers. Yeah, I'm pulling up my overall
right now, so I have well, let me ask you this. Okay,
Aaron Rodgers is on the board, you need a tight end.
Oj Howard is still there. You're taking Howard or Rodgers.
I'll take Rogers. Really Wow, Okay, I'll take Rodgers over Howard. Yeah,

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I don't know. I'm taking Howard's like a like a
fifth round pick, like unless I can gamble it and
maybe get Hunter Henry in the next round. Yeah, Howard's
like a late fifth round pick for me. Like, I'm
not I don't. I don't feel the need to reach
for Ojan Howard, Like I think that the breakout is
definitely possible, and I think he's an upside pick. So
if you want to take him in the fifth that's
fine because you're taking him over guys like I'm just
worried about starting like David and Joku Man. Yeah, nobody

(58:50):
wants to do that. Yeah, I don't want to do that.
I'm not taking any chances this year. Okay, a tight
end position. I like Jimmy Graham. I know you do too.
He's just a streamer though, right. I like him just
because he's cheap as hell. Like last year I told
people to stay away from him. He was way too expensive.
He was being drafted as a top six tight end
and I was like, don't do that. Now that it's
the year two with Aaron Rodgers, I like him a

(59:13):
lot more. There's been some chemistry that will be built
over time. And by the way, like Graham finished, I
think it was tight end fourteen when he scored two touchdowns.
Do you think he's gonna score two touchdowns again this year?
I don't. I think he'll score at least two. Yeah,
I probably think he'll score five or six. Now he's
getting older, but he's gonna finish. It's a top twelve
tight end in my mind if he stays healthy and

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he's gonna have some big weeks in there so you
can stream him. That's what I'm doing now. At the
running back position, it's Aaron Jones. Jamal Williams has no
hope for carries DESI or is it going to be
this kind of thing where Jamal Williams is started again?
What do we do? I think Aaron Rodgers would kill
the head coach if that happened. I will personally drive
up to Green Bay. It's not that long of a
ride and have a little chat with Matt Lafloor if

(59:57):
I can get to him. But no, I don't. I
don't think it should be a possibility, but you never know.
So do you draft Williams just in case or even
as a handcuff to Aaron Jones because when Jamal Williams
was the workhorse running back for the Packers, he was
a top ten guy for a nine week sample size. Yep, Aaron,
That's what I'm saying. Aaron Jones. Like if this time
next year we might be talking about Aaron Jones top

(01:00:18):
five Fantasy football pick, not running back, top five pick
in dress, I'd say it's fifty fifty that we are, man,
That's what I'm saying. It's it's just are the Packers
going to use them right way? Yes or no? Correct? Yes?
Top five pick? Did Matt Lafloor learn from the situation
last year that he had to play Dion Lewis and
he had to play Derrick Henry mix and match them,
But then he finally went to Henry and things happened.
So I hope he learned his lesson. Aaron Jones is

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a stud all right. Wide receivers. We got Davante Adams,
he's your number one wide receiver. Ro Yep, me too. Well,
Hold on a second, no, he Isn't that what? Julio
Jones is my number one? I said, me too, because
I just did this video that we're gonna be putting
on our YouTube channel at YouTube dot com Slash Fantasy
Pros and it's our versus segments. So it's Devanta Adams

(01:01:02):
versus DeAndre Hopkins. Which one should you draft? If you're
staring at these two in your drafts? And I was
breaking them down, and it's Devanta Adams over DeAndre Hopkins
for me. But I've still got Julio is my number
one wide out. I'll take DeVante Adams just because I
know what his floor is, I know what his ceiling is.
There's just so much there. I'm gonna choose Aaron Rodgers
over Matt Ryan in that aspect. DeAndre Hopkins there's there's

(01:01:25):
more competition for targets with him, obviously, But I don't
think you can go wrong with any of these guys
like I think those three are the clear top three
for me. I just want to throw this out there
for those of you who tell me that I'm a
I love it now that I like say some good
things about Bears players. People tell me I'm a Homer,
I would not have Devantae Adams is my number one
receiver and Rodgers is my number one quarterback. If I
actually you're right that guy. So now I'm going to

(01:01:45):
become an NFC North Truther. And then what happens when
I tell you that I don't like Kirk Cousins, Well, no,
the Bears fans are going to say you're a Bears
Bears hater even though you're a Bears fan. Probably like
you're trying to just pander to backers. Probably just understand, guys,
there there is no there's no hometown bias here. I
think we talk about people like you know, as if
fifty percent of the people out there are like that,
it's like one percent of people and they're just annoying

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and everyone knows they're annoying for sure, And I understand
it comes it comes with it. But our job is
to help you win fantas football leagues, and the Packers
can do that. And then going to the wide receivers
like Bobby. If we learn that this is a question
that I asked the other day, if we learn that
Geronimo Allison is the starter opposite Davante Adams, there's no
more questions about it. What do you mean learn? We

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already are certain that he is. There's no doubt about it.
I am nearly positive. I'm not willing to say that
it's a hundred percent yet because of Mat Lafloor, I'm
not assuming anything. But let's hear we let's pretend that
we do hear that, like those words come out of
his mouth there, like, no, he's starting, like he's the
starting number two. How high do you draft Roonimo Allison?
How how do I need to draft him? That's how
high drafting? Because I'm drafting him. That's the question though,

(01:02:49):
But like, who are you willing to draft? Give me
some names that you're willing to draft him over, Like
how are you going to move in front of your man?
Crush Kiki qt? Oh? I like Geron Willison, Mordan Kiki qt.
You guys know how much'll key key qt? Yeah? Right now,
I've got qt is my number forty two wide receiver.
I've got Geronimo Allison number thirty four. Guys, thirty four,
you're moving them up. I've got him right behind Tyler Boyd,

(01:03:11):
Tyler Lockett, Jervis Landry, Dante Pettis, Calvin Ridley. Yeah. I mean,
if I had to, I'd take Ronal Willison. I now
I don't have to. He's wide receiver forty eight. That's
probably gonna creep up to wide receiver forty. So I'm
taking him in the neighborhood of d D Westbrook, of
Courtland Sutton. Oh yeah, baby, sign me up Portland Sutton
doesn't even belong in that territory. Give me Allison all Day. Yeah. So, okay,

(01:03:35):
here's what it comes down to. I wouldn't mind getting
one of the top twelve wide receivers. I'm probably not
going to get two of them because if I can,
I'm gonna get Travis Kelcey. Right. I would love a
team with three or four of these wideouts. Alan Robinson,
Mike Williams, Marvin Jones, Grontimo Allison, Golden Tate. Give me
three or four of those five. I love my wide

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receiver corps. I don't know if I want Golden Tate.
Every time I get on his name and I'm like,
he's next to my rankings, I'm like supposed to pick him,
I'm like, I don't want to pick him. You know,
like there's players that you do though I don't. I
don't really want a thousand yards and ninety receptions. That's
that's not my kind of thing. That is not gonna
happen that I would put money on Otherwise, I'd have
him as a top twenty receiver. But why why is

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that not going to happen? Because he plays for Eli
Eli Manning. He has to pass the ball to someone.
Odell Beckham's gone. Man, it's not gonna be Evan Ingram.
We should do this for our bet for the year.
I'm willing to go that far in this one, this one,
I'm no, no, no, we're not because I'm so basically
like everybody knows those players right, Like like you, Bobby,
you have your best ball rankings in front of you
when you're doing those drafts, and and you always get

(01:04:40):
to that player in your rankings and you're like, all
my rankings, Sam, I'm supposed to draft that player, but
I don't want to. And uh I always do that
with Golden Tape. I don't do that, man. If I
if it comes to my rankings, I draft every single
time the guy I might a top my rankings. No,
that's when I move those players down my board because
I want to tell people what I would do myself.
But the thing is, I keep dropping him, and I'm like,

(01:05:00):
can I drop Golden Tata? I just keep dropping him
my rankings because I can never pick him, like right now,
even with Tyreek Hill, with the situation, I don't think
that I can take Golden Tape over Tyreek Hill. Okay,
so tags, oh Man, Tags, Golden Tape played seven games
with Kenny Galladay and Marvin Jones last year. What do
you think he was on Pace four? Hold a second.
That was with Matthew Stafford in an offense that he

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had been part of for years. That was with Matthew
Stafford with much more competition for targets, but it was
but it was someone he was familiar with and he
had been there for years. And then what happened when
he went to Philadelphia? Oh, he didn't know the playbook? Man,
what do you mean? What happened? How's he going to
know the playbook in New York? What happens with any
wide receiver in NFL history when they don't know a playbook?
Amari Cooper didn't happen with that? Dude's a stud. Amari

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Cooper is our freak of nature. In Oakland used him
like he was a big Harry Turret. He was splitting
targets with Jordy Nelson. Man, the Raiders were stupid. They
were trying to lose games. Don't don't give me that.
So I'll answer the question, what was Golden Tate on
pace four? What's your guests? It probably would have something
close to a thousand yards and six touchdowns. If by
two hundred yards higher you mean close, then yeah, you're right.

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Twelve hundred yards, one hundred and one receptions again, because
that's who Golden Tate is, and that's who Golden Tate's
gonna be there. Not buying it, all right, don't buy
I'll win my fantasy league against you. Bring it, baby,
all right. We're gonna find someone for me to bet
against you with Golden Tate. All right, you can take
courtland Sutton. I'm not doing that. I'll take Jarvis Landry. Okay,
maybe we'll see Okay, Okay, let's move on with the

(01:06:27):
other wide receivers because we love Geronimo Allison again this year.
We were right last year until he got hurt, and
so he can say what you want about that, but
he was on. He was the number twenty six receiver
for the first quarter of the season, and everyone was
thanking us, yes, and I don't think anyone was, like, dude,
I can't believe you told me to draft Geronimo Allison
when he got hurt, Like, come on, that doesn't happen.
So other wide receivers that I think have some upside Marquez,

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veld Is, Scantling, Jake Kumero, Equinamius Saint Brown, and that
order is that the order you'd put them in. Even
Jaman Moore, I would put in this conversation as guys
who could break out. We're putting the we have to
put this on training camp, like training Campbell dictate who
gets cut. I think one of those guys is gonna
get cut from the roster, probably equiname Is. Saint Brown
is my guest, and I know that's going to surprise
a lot of people. I mean, he was a sixth rounder.

(01:07:09):
It shouldn't Yeah, he's kind of a nutcase man. Yeah,
Like yeah, there's some there's some question marks there. But
Scantling and Rogers loves Comoro. They're not cutting him and Scantling.
He's a beast man. He's a great act. He's the
only one that I can't quite put my finger on,
Like I don't know how to feel about him. After
he got out of Aaron Rodgers Good Graces last year,
I just don't know how how high or how low
to put him, Like, I don't know if I want

(01:07:30):
to draft someone like DD Westbrook over him, Like I'm
scared about that because so many so many people like
Overmark has Valdes Scantling. Yeah, so many people like DD Westbrook,
And I understand parts of it. But he's also like, yeah,
he's way too high. But even if he's good, what
does that mean? Like DD Westbrook, what's his ceiling in
fantasy football? Is it like a top wide receiver thirty five?
He's being drafted wide receiver thirty nine Right now, I

(01:07:52):
have met wide receiver fifty four. But that's what I'm saying, Like,
does it even if DD Westbrook is decent, does it
help you win a fantasy title? That's where it's like
Marques Velde Scantling. I probably put higher than him just
because I think it's it's better as a better chance
that he helps you win a fantasy title. Theddy Westbrook,
I've got DEDI your copy in my rankings. By the way,
I've got Deddy Westbrook wide receiver fifty four, just like you.

(01:08:13):
I've got Marques Veldes Scantling Wide receiver forty seven. So
I agree you don't need to draft Jake Kumero, but
if he's getting targets in week one, you better pick
him up. And we will remind you, will remind you.
But he's he's got a lot of upside. Jomal Moore
has a lot of upside, and I'll even say if
Quiname is Saint Brown does even though he's my least
favorite of the bunch, Yeah, for sure, he's definitely the

(01:08:33):
least favorite. All Right, Detroit Lions, and we'll start with
Kenny Galladay Marvin Jones. Everyone thinks Kenny Galladay's the wide
receiver one, like it's not even a question in anyone's mind.
I think it's more likely Marvin Jones is the wide
receiver one. I'll say it's it's likely that none of
them finish as a top eighteen fantasy wide receiver. That's
my take on this. I think that's fair. Yeah, So,

(01:08:53):
like I looked at it in last year, I think
it was the top seventeen wide receivers, none of them.
They were all on top eighteen scoring offenses. So the
Detroit Lions are like they were, they were near the
seller last year, and I don't think they got a
whole lot better. Like I know, Matt Stafford was playing
through some stuff and he's going to continue to do that.
But some stuff as in a broken back. Yeah, like

(01:09:16):
a Tony romotype situation where it's like it's not going
to be great. I just don't know how you can
expect a breakout season on a team that is just
not very good. It's it's just rare. It's looking at it.
So in regards to top twelve wide receivers wide receiver ones,
over the last seven years, there have been just eight
wide receivers who have finished as wide receiver ones while

(01:09:38):
on a bottom ten scoring team. So it's basically like
one per year that there is one. So Kenny Galladay,
I don't know if I'm willing to put him up there,
especially with Marvin Jones back in the fold, because when
Marvin Jones was healthy, he was stealing targets and he
was actually out targeting Kenny Galladay more often than people realize,
So you pro rate his games to a full sixteen games.
I said this about a couple of weeks ago. You

(01:10:00):
would have been the wide receiver eleven last year, and
he was a top six wide receiver the year before. Yeah,
I don't know why people are just forgetting about Marvin Jones.
And he's like, I think he's twenty nine, so he's
like legitimately at his fantasy prime twenty nine years old. Yeah,
and I thought you were saying ADIP because ADPs wide
receiver thirty eight. Oh yeah, No, in terms of his
like age, in terms of like fantasy production, which is
another article I'm working on that I'll be out I

(01:10:21):
think next week, in terms of like when can you
expect a fantasy player at each position, when you can
expect their decline, Fantasy wide receivers have their most upside,
it seems like at age twenty nine and then everything
starts slowly going down. But Marvin Jones is still well
within the chance to be the number one wide receiver
on that team. So you don't like Kenny Gallada. He

(01:10:41):
like Marvin Jones for his ADT but you must love
Danny Amendola, Is that right? No, No, Marvin Jones, he
is not draftable people. No, Marvin Jones. Like, he's a
guy that I think that you could actually use him
as your wide receiver three and be okay. But he's
not being drafted that Way and Danny Amendola. If you're
in a PPR format, I actually think Danny Mendola is
gonna have more value than people think. Like I'm not

(01:11:02):
saying that you're gonna want to rely on him week
in week out, but if you're in a league that
you have a lot of bench spots and you know
you're you're like kind of planning for bye weeks ahead
of the time, I think Danny Amendola, like, do you
remember Bruce Ellington last year when he literally joined the
team in the middle of the season. Okay, so you said,
how can players do this like golden tape, Well, Bruce
Ellington did. He came to the Lions. He didn't he

(01:11:24):
didn't post a whole bunch of yardage or touchdowns, but
he caught tons of passes. Like legitimately, he came out,
he showed up to the team on like a Tuesday,
played on Sunday. He caught like six or seven balls.
So I think Matthew Stafford just loves that middle of
the field. I think he loves his slot receiver. So
Danny Amendola, they made it a priority to get him.
Matt Patricia obviously loves him, coming from New England. So
I think Danny Amendola is going to have more value

(01:11:46):
than people think. Now, am I telling you to draft him? No?
So like more value than last year because from week
ten on here's what he did. One Fantasy point one,
Fantasy point three four three. He was on Miami. He
was playing for Adam Gase, the guy that we don't
draft anybody from. Yeah, with no competition for targets. Now
he's got Kenny Gallady and Marvin Jones on a bottom

(01:12:07):
ten offense. But what I'm saying is like the wrecking
up the receptions, Like I just think Danny Avendola. I
think Jermaine Curse is more likely to have a bigger
season than Danny Avendola. No, yeah, I know ewe Danny
Amndola too, that's how ewie it is. No, I don't
want that. You know who else is E? T. J.
Hawkinson being drafted as the top twelve tight end. That's nuts, Like, guys,
we haven't learned this, Like I'm not kidding. There's been

(01:12:29):
one tight end to finish is a top ten fantasy
tight end his rookie year, and that was Evan Engram
when there was injuries when they were starting Roger Lewis. Like, okay,
if Kenny Galladay and Marvin Jones both get hurt and
dani A. Mendola and they're starting Brandon Powell and Tommy
Lee Jones, sure if they're starting a Brandon Pale and
Tommy Lee Lewis. Sure, t J. Hawkinson has some upside,
but like, are you betting on that? Hope? I have

(01:12:50):
him as tight end eighteen? Like you guys, Remember that's
too high. That's too high. Tags you guys, remember that
like Eric Ebron played with with Matthew Stafford, right, remember
that I do. He was very inconsistent, didn't do much
of the red zone. I'm not saying TJ. Hawkinson is
Erki brun He's actually a better football player than Erki
brun Is. But he's also younger. It's his first year
in the league. We don't expect much from rookie tight ends,

(01:13:12):
so I might be too high on him at tight
end eighteen, to be honest with you, but that's where
I happened. Right now, I've got him twenty two. Yeah,
that's the territory. So basically you're not drafting him all right,
running Backs, everyone thinks Kerrie on Johnson's a workhorse. I
don't believe it. Man, even Kerryon Johnson doesn't think he's
a workhorse. And I'm not saying that. Like his joke,
like Kerrie On Johnson said, I'm not a three down back. Yeah,
he basically saying that he's not someone that wants to

(01:13:34):
handle like a giant workload. He wants to remain efficient
on the touches he gets. So I do think he's
a three down back. But the problem is he's now
dealing with c J. Anderson for carries, Like CJ. Anderson
is coming off a massive postseason, Like everybody knows CJ. Anderson,
I'll produced Todd Gurley, YadA, YadA, YadA, and then like
he signs with the Detroit Lions. So the Lions also
tried to sign Malcolm Brown, if you guys don't miss that,

(01:13:56):
and then the Rams match the offer sheet. So the
Lions were clearly interested in a short yardage someone who
could bang on the first and second down, So that
was a priority for them. If that's a that's not
like a warning sign, carry on, I have it running
back nineteen. But again we're going back to that conversation.
He plays for a bad offense, and guys that play
for bad offense have very limited upside. And knowing that

(01:14:17):
he's going to have somewhat of a timeshare and probably
lose some goal and carries two c J Anderson, carry
On is nothing more than an RB two. Yep, I
agree with that man, and I've got him low RB two.
THEO Riddick's still there too, so we'll see how much
they passed the ball to him. You know, I think
the Lions have a fairly talented team. If they're playing
the AFC East, i'd predict they win eight nine games.

(01:14:38):
But they're playing the NFC North. This is the hardest
division in all of football. I think they've got three
of the best four or five teams in the NFC
and the Lions are going to be playing down. I
don't love carry On Johnson this year. Yeah, it's it's
sad too. I like harry On the player, I do,
and I think that he's he's like in dynasty leagues.
Don't get rid of him or anything like that because
he might develop into more. But right now, I just

(01:14:58):
don't think you want to invest more than like a
low end RB two price tag on someone that has
a lot of red flags. I agree. All right, man,
that's all for today's show. We'll be giving you more
divisional previews in the future, and we're kicking it up.
The three shows this week in season's crazy. I think
we do four during the week and then like I
have a Sunday show I don't even remember too Like

(01:15:18):
it just basically gets into this point where it's like
you're in that zone and you kind of just forget
how many things you're doing. We're entering that twilight zone.
It's a grind, but it is awesome because we're about
to start watching football. All right, guys, it's all for
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