Form and Structure
Hosted by Surus CEO, Patrick Murck, the Form & Structure podcast explores the intersection of policy, technology, and financial innovation. Surus is an institutional-grade, regulated asset management and custody platform that will enable builders and investors to engage in the on-chain economy.
Episodes
Host Patrick Murck is joined by Greg Xethalis (General Counsel at Multicoin Capital), Drew Hinkes (Partner at Winston & Strawn, and Adjunct Professor at <...
In this episode of Form & Structure, Patrick Murck invites David Taylor (Co-founder & CEO of Etherfuse) on to discuss how Etherfuse is bringing sovereign debt onchain, solving cross-border payment inefficiencies, and why they chose Surus as their custody partner.
In this episode of Form & Structure, Patrick Murck sits down with three Bitcoin network experts – Neha Narula (Director, MIT Digital Currency Initiative), Ethan Heilman (Research Engineer, Cloudflare), and Tadge Dryja (Bitcoin Core developer and Lightning Network co-inventor) – to discuss recent debates around the Bitcoin network including user activated soft forks, op return transactions, the security budget debate, and the neces...
In this episode, Patrick Murck sits down with Adam Silver, co-founder and CEO of Plural Energy, to discuss how tokenization is transforming renewable energy investment and bridging traditional finance with DeFi innovation. After taking the unconventional path of studying for his Series 7 exam while building his company, Silver shares his vision for creating what he calls the "financial operating system for the base layer of the eco...
In this episode, Patrick Murck sits down with Kristin Smith, President of the Solana Policy Institute and former CEO of Blockchain Association, to discuss crypto's regulatory evolution and the path forward. After seven years leading industry advocacy efforts, Smith shares insights on how crypto can achieve lasting policy results despite political challenges and shifts.
In this episode, Patrick Murck chats with Nick Ducoff, Head of Institutional Growth at the Solana Foundation. Nick unpacks how the Solana ecosystem scaled from $300 million to over $10 billion in TVL and discusses the influence of the rise of institutional adoption and how tokenized assets, streaming payments, and stablecoins are creating the foundation for the next wave of onchain finance.
In this episode, Patrick Murck sits down with Punia, Co-Founder of Nashpoint, to explore why today’s DeFi ecosystem is dominated by hedge funds and crypto whales —and what it will take to return to crypto's original principals of building open, accessible financial infrastructure. The conversation dives into how DeFi has drifted toward mimicking TradFi, the limitations of current liquidity models, and how sovereign debt tokens and ...
In this episode, Patrick Murck chats with Andrey Chabanov, who explains how his company, Trusttek, is providing seamless crypto integration for financial institutions while Ramp Me Daddy, his Telegram-based wallet born from a hackathon project, makes buying meme coins simple for everyday users. The conversation explores how meme coins compare to previous trends like ICOs and NFTs, and the potential future innovations in this space.
How are venture investors approaching the crypto and FinTech landscape in 2025? In this episode, Patrick Murck sits down with three experienced VCs – David Mort, Tyler Griffin, and Kabir Kumar – to explore investment strategies in today's regulatory environment, where to find opportunity among established players, and how AI is reshaping financial innovation. The investors share candid perspectives on what they're looking for in fo...
What does the future of Bitcoin development look like? In this episode, Patrick Murck sits down with Tadge Dryja (Bitcoin Core developer, researcher, and co-inventor of the Lightning Network) to explore the practical challenges of scaling Bitcoin, how innovations like Utreexo could dramatically reduce node operating costs, and whether decentralized alternatives to stablecoins are viable th...
What exactly makes a payment a payment—and why does it matter when crypto gets involved? In this episode, Patrick Murck sits down with Jess Cheng (Partner at Wilson Sonsini, previously at the Federal Reserve, IMF, and Ripple) to explore the legal foundations of payments, how crypto is challenging traditional financial frameworks, and what it will take to modernize money movement in a rapidly evolving ecosystem.
What if the current anti-money laundering system doesn’t work—not just for crypto, but for anyone? In this episode, Patrick Murck sits down with Rebecca Rettig (Chief Legal Officer at Jito Labs) and Mike Mosier (Co-Founder at Arktouros, ex-FinCEN, ex-OFAC) to discuss the real limitations of today’s compliance frameworks and what’s needed to build a system that actually detects and prevents financial crime—without stifling innovatio...
In this episode, Patrick Murck sits down with Ethan Heilman, Research Engineer at Read more
In this episode, Marco Mahrus, veteran in fintech and payments and Head of Revenue at Bridge, joins Patrick Murck (Founder & CEO of Surus) to explain how stablecoins are transforming payments, remittances, and global money movement, and what the future holds beyond speculation.
Who should decide the future of financial services—regulators or the market? And why do banking rules often fail to adapt to new technology? In this episode, Patrick Murck sits down with Matt Homer (Founder & GP, The Venture Dept), Sarah Elliott (Board Member, Advisor), and Alex Acree (Chief Legal Officer, Unit) to explore how prudential regulation is shaping - and sometimes stalling - financial innovation.
In this episode, Patrick Murck sits down with Chris Walker, Co-Founder & CEO of Credit Co-op, to explore how DeFi is reshaping lending and credit markets.
The conversation unpacks how businesses are using stablecoins to bridge liquidity gaps, why traditional credit models are struggling to keep up, and what the future of decentralized finance (DeFi) looks like be...
How much privacy should financial transactions have? And how much surveillance is too much? In this episode, Patrick Murck dives into the trade-offs between financial privacy and oversight with Gregory Lisa, Senior Counsel at Hogan Lovells.
Patrick Murck brings together three leading voices in crypto regulation and securities law to examine how traditional disclosure frameworks can adapt to the unique challenges of digital assets. Chris Brummer (CEO, Bluprynt), Lee Schneider (General Counsel, Ava Labs), and Lilya Tessler (Partner, Sidley Austin) explore what meaningful disclosures look like in an industry where assets range from meme coins to treasury-backed tokens.
Patrick Murck brings together three veteran crypto legal and policy experts to examine the industry's most significant crises and their lasting impact on regulation. From Mt. Gox to Libra to FTX, the conversation explores the key ways that these events have shaped the regulatory landscape and influenced policymaker perspectives on digital assets.
In this episode, our Sheila Warren, Greg Xethalis, and Marco Santori join Patrick Murck to discuss the intersection of personnel decisions, legislative priorities, and existing regulatory frameworks will converge to shape the future of digital asset regulation during the first 100 days under the new administration.
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