Four Strings and the Truth

Four Strings and the Truth

"Four Strings and the Truth: The Bassists Who Changed Music" features intimate conversations with players who have changed the course of the music that came after them, and continue to do so. We'll uncover their four-string mindset - their influences, approach, artistic practice, and how they go about practicing, playing, composing songs, being in a band and living their lives. Host Sandy Smallens, an indie- and major label-recording artist and bassist of 40-plus years, shines a light on the sometimes unsung (or at least under-sung) heroes who continue to redefine the bass's role in contemporary music, channeling his experience as a music writer and founder of Spotify's original content department. Check out the official pod playlist here: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/2NJT1Dpc6eGi09uJOuQWKs?si=4d76eeff2b5c4615. Theme music: "TRIBES" by Surface Wound. "Four Strings and the Truth" is an Audiation Original production.

Episodes

June 26, 2025 65 mins

Nate Brenner has been playing music in front of people since he was four, and it shows. He and his musical/life partner Merrill Garbus have carved out a unique place in the indie-pop cosmos: funky, joyful, noisy and heartfelt. Between tours supporting Tune-Yards’ just-released sixth album, “Better Dreaming,” Nate spends some time with us to unspool his unique approach to the instrument, touching on his musical upbringi...

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We’re kicking (Mini-)Season 2 off with one of our most-requested guests, Lou Barlow - a four string lifer (on bass, ukelele, guitar, etc.) and amiable fellow who’s not afraid to lay bare his thoughts on all things Dinosaur Jr, his unique approach to making music, and his various creative endeavors, from childhood cassette experimentation to becoming a successful podcaster alongside his wife, Adelle. 

Lou B...

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We have a clutch of new shows coming very soon with names you might expect...or not.

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As we gear up for our next season of Four Strings and the Truth interviews, we’re introducing a new, more bite-sized feature: the Bass-ic Review. This is an analysis of new and recently released albums from the bottom up - i.e., from the point of view of the bass: the playing AND the player. And to kick things off, we’re focusing on the much-anticipated new album from Oklahoma City noise mavens Chat Pile, “Cool World.”

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Brian Ritchie is our first guest whose primary instrument - the one that helped make his band Violent Femmes a household name - is an acoustic bass. Today we hear how all that came to be, the band’s path from busking on the streets of Milwaukee to rocking stadiums, and why their approach really hasn’t changed all that much. Along the way he tells some funny stories about early gigs, opens up about a new acoustic bass h...

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Dead Kennedys - the scabrous, Northern Cali-based band that taught the world how to stage dive - created some of the most indelible anthems in hardcore, naming and shaming those in charge and challenging its audience to face hard truths. The band’s gone through a few line-up changes in its 40+ years, but one constant has been the instrumental interplay of bassist Klaus Flouride with guitarist and co-founding member Eas...

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He first caught our ears with the propulsive lines that drove Austin weirdos Scratch Acid; and then David Wm. Sims - and SA vocalist David Yow - decided to set it all on fire, joining forces with guitarist Duane Denison and drummer Mac McNeilly to form noise rock progenitors Jesus Lizard. Now, 26 years after their last studio album, the quartet has returned with a barn burner of a new album, “Rack” (Ipecac), coming out...

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You didn’t think we were gonna get through this season without a dispatch from the man in the van with a bass in his hand, did you? Coming to us live and shirtless from his home base of San Pedro, CA, Mike opines on the 40th anniversary of post-punk magna carta “Double Nickels on the Dime,” how he learned new ways to collaborate in the wake of bandmate D. Boon’s untimely death, the ins and outs of his gear (including h...

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When a planned interview with Bruce Thomas fell through for…reasons, we dusted ourselves off and decided to consult with bassist/songwriter/singer Dave Derby (Gramercy Arms, The Dambuilders), no slouch on the four string himself (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFcGRQROIt0).

Dave and I volley our favorite BT performances - too many to nam...

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In South West England, in a town called Swindon, a group of disaffected youth would come together in the early 70s and create a body of songs over the next few decades whose indelible melodies and incisive lyrics would root themselves in your brain and never leave.

Today’s guest, Colin Moulding, shook off XTC’s early affection for dissonance and composed their first breakthrough hit, “Making Plans for Nige...

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Generous with his time, expansive with his bass playing, and one of the funniest people I’ve ever spoken with, Jah Wobble sits down with a couple of his favorite basses to discuss the gestalt of his 45 plus years as a bass man and band leader. Musical instigator for the first (and best) couple of albums by John Lydon’s post-Sex Pistols combo Public Image Ltd, Jah has gone on to create a massive and impossible-to-classi...

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Grab your bonus cups and strap on your ear goggles (kinda mixing band references here) to drink of the wisdom of one Karl Alvarez, the fleet-fingered fellow who anchors and propels power pop deities Descendents (as well as their alter-ego combo, All, who are no longer active).

As with many of our show’s guests, you could readily identify any of Karl's bands’ songs solely by hearing the isolated bass part. ...

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(Do I really need to write any show notes after coming up with that title?)

It’s time to pick it up with Horace Panter (nickname: Sir Horace Gentleman), the man whose elastic lines launched generations of skanking acolytes. From their shambolic/iconic “Saturday Night Live” performance in 1980 all the way through waves of reunion tours that ended after the untimely death of singer Terry Hall in 2022, the Sp...

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Sonic architect Graham Maby joins us to discuss his 50-something year career, which began with him fulfilling Joe Jackson’s vision for a bass-led pop combo, resulting in some of new wave’s most memorable songs. In addition to performing with a veritable Mount Rushmore of power pop auteurs - including Marshall Crenshaw and Freedy Johnston - the UK-to-Long Island transplant regales us with tales of doomed band auditions and fraught s...

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Providing the rhythmic glue for Black Flag’s mid-80s heyday was just a starting point for bassist/songwriter/singer Kira Roessler. Now, an Oscar- and Emmy-winning dialogue editor (that’s half an EGOT!) based in LA, Kira still finds time - in 30-minute increments - to lay down intricate, dueling bass lines with her sometime bandmate (and ex-husband) Mike Watt in dos, while also releasing her first solo album in 2021, th...

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Beneath Joe Lally’s low-key demeanor beats the heart of an omnivorous low-ender, a restless composer, performer and, most recently, teacher. In an expansive conversation, the man whose bass lines launched 10,000 bands takes us through his musical upbringing, touching on the origins and status of DC hardcore standard-bearers Fugazi, his later-in-life embrace of musical theory and his ongoing creative partnership with hi...

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February 27, 2024 29 secs

A tiny trailer for the upcoming series "Four Strings and the Truth."

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