December 18, 2024 • 57 mins
In this episode, we delve into the world of Frequency Specific Microcurrent (FSM), its applications, and its profound impacts on practitioners and patients. The discussion highlights the importance of empathetic and patient-centric care, the benefits of FSM for treating various conditions, and valuable insights from recent training sessions and practical applications.
Dr. Carol and Kim Pittis emphasize the collaborative nature of FSM practice, sharing real-world experiences and success stories from both instructors and participants. Whether you're new to FSM or an experienced practitioner, this episode is packed with invaluable tips, stories, and practical advice to enhance your practice.
00:14 Teaching and FSM Practicums
02:42 Explaining FSM to Practitioners
03:51 Specific Case Studies and Techniques
10:01 Pelvic Assessment and SI Joint
17:46 Patient Stories and FSM Impact
25:53 Connecting the Dots in Diagnosis
29:57 George Stories and Interdisciplinary Treatments
30:55 Balancing Frequencies and Acupuncture Insights
31:52 Pulse Diagnosis and Energetic Healing
33:59 The Power of Verbal Cues in FSM
35:05 Q&A and Practitioner Insights
37:32 Empathy and Collaboration in Patient Care
40:54 Managing Burnout and Emotional Load
47:30 Effective Pain Management Strategies
54:14 Learning and Teaching in FSM
Understanding Pelvic Assessment
The pelvis is an integral part of our anatomy, connecting the legs, spine, neck, and skull. In our practice, assessing the pelvis provides essential insights into changes that can affect the entire body. As many of you have experienced, pain isn't always where dysfunction lies. Often, the SI joint may be affected due to reasons far removed from the actual site of pain, such as prior kidney infections or abdominal surgeries. Identifying these underlying causes is crucial for effective treatment.
One approach is examining why a particular SI joint might become hypermobile. This could result from compensatory mechanisms if the opposite joint is locked due to muscle or fascia tensions from injuries or internal conditions. While hypermobility might be observed in one joint, the dysfunction might have originated from constraints elsewhere in the body.
Advanced Techniques in Practice
During recent practicums, we’ve seen transformative results by applying specific FSM frequencies to address these issues. Working on correcting kinetic chains, such as freeing up locked joints or addressing overactive muscles, allows patients to experience significant improvements in mobility and pain reduction. Whether it's dealing with a stubborn psoas or a complicated case of frozen shoulder, FSM provides the flexibility needed to adapt treatment to each unique situation.
Moreover, treating conditions like traumatic brain injuries, gastroparesis, and even anxiety through FSM involves looking beyond traditional methods. This holistic approach has enabled practitioners to manage once-untreatable conditions with newfound confidence, leading to groundbreaking patient outcomes.
Burnout and Emotional Load in FSM Practice
As FSM practitioners, many of us have faced situations where the emotional gravity of a patient's condition weighs heavily. These are patients with conditions that, despite our best efforts, cannot be completely resolved. In such instances, balancing empathy while not taking on the burden of the patient’s emotional and physical state becomes key. This protective measure not only preserves our own emotional
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And when you're in a course and you're having
so much fun and you're surrounded by brains
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that are going to do amazing things with FSM, it
doesn't matter what the weather is like outside.
So I'm glad that.
People are having had a good time with us.
We have a bit of a live studio audience.
People who have been in my course for the past three days
are here with us live on the other side of this camera.
But I have so much fun teaching, more
fun teaching than I do attending.
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Because
yeah,
because I like to talk and I like to move.
So that's very helpful.
Cause when you are a participant talking and moving is, it's
It's, and I got to teach a two day practicum
over the weekend and we had eight, 17, 18 people.
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And so it was very, it's the nice thing about
having small classes and about having, not having
to get on airplanes and ship stuff is we're at home.
And.
The practicums over the weekend were magic.
You know how the supine lumbar
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practicum is always fun anyway?
Yes.
This was two patients, practitioners on separate
tables with in intricate, complicated, difficult
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abdominal surgeries one of which looks like it was
done with a chainsaw, but that's another conversation.
And to watch them learn how to press, find the
tight spot, wait while it softens one to two
millimeters, and then Stretch it for one to two
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millimeters until it gets tight again, and then wait.
Getting to go through the manual part during those
practicums was just a game changer for the students,
and then for those of us who are that stayed for
the rehab portion and then the sports advanced.
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Yeah.
It's just like five days of awesomeness.
It can be overwhelming though.
So I was thinking about, I had somebody that contacted me a
couple of weeks ago and said, I'm really interested in FSM.
This is a busy chiropractor.
How will FSM change my practice in two minutes?
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So I said, how do you,
how do you explain?
I, don't know.
I was a bit, I said I can't.
I can't summarize that in two minutes.
And he's no how will it change me as a practitioner?
So it will say that the questions kept
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getting more and more complicated.
So those of you who are listening that are practitioners
using FSM, you understand this tongue tiedness that.
That it caught me.
And I know that it will make you a better person.
I know that it will make you a better practitioner.
I know that it will challenge you.
I know that it will infuriate you.
I know that it will give you hope.
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These are all these things that I could think of.
I'm a lot more specific because specifics
give them something to grab onto.
Yes.
So there's one of the short versions
and the things we take for granted.
So I had a, an MD as a patient.
Last week, who was an internist, retired, and then his
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wife, and his wife's pain diagram was, interesting, and
suggested that it was abdominal adhesions, and trigger
points, basic, not, it was trigger points in the,
psoas, the rectus abdominis, and the quadratus lumborum.
And so he watched me work on the psoas.
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the rectus abdominis, the quadratus lumborum,
and he said, this is like impossible.
And that's, the short version of what I would tell a
chiropractor who said, how will it change my practice?
You'll be able to treat things you've never been able
to treat and he'll say what have you ever in your
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life been able to say treating nerve pain is easy.
So the patient comes in with a lumbar disc and level
seven pain at the L5 and S1 nerve root on the left.
And in 15 minutes, their pain is a zero.
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Can you do that now?
With FSM, nerve pain is the easiest thing we treat.
repairing the disc.
There's a protocol for repairing the disc and you
tell the patient we get rid of the nerve pain.
You come in and see me, or you can use a
home unit to get rid of the nerve pain.
And then we run a protocol two or
three times a week for six weeks.
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Your disc bulge doesn't have a fragment.
It's just a bulge and it's like
having a sprained ankle in your disc.
Somebody just wrote, can we look at the other
camera we see looking up at the ceiling?
Oh, I'm not looking.
We're not supposed to look at Kevin's camera.
We're not supposed to look at Kevin's camera.
Thank you.
Because I don't like looking at Kevin's camera.
I like looking at this camera.
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Thank
you Anonymous.
Thank you Anonymous.
Oh, thank you Anonymous.
Okay.
Anyway, so that's, the specifics is.
Nerve pain is the easiest thing to treat, treating
traumatic brain injuries, treating the vagus nerve, treating
gastroparesis, Ehlers Danlos, sprain strain injuries.
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Do you know what I caught myself saying today?
What'd you say?
Showing how easy frozen shoulder is to treat.
Oh yeah, that's
And I had that moment where I'm just like
Waiting for lightning?
Yeah.
And not every type of frozen shoulder.
We were talking about the differences between a
pathological or disease frozen shoulder type one versus
secondary frozen shoulder type two and how we, but
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when the onset is because of something like a hormonal
imbalance or an autoimmune imbalance or a vaccine injury.
Or stress.
And what does infection, stress,
and trauma have to deal with?
Vegas.
The Vegas.
So treating the Vegas first before subscap can be happy.
So it's giving the options, right?
So as an instructor, I feel like more options we can give.
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It's why I love practicums.
Yes.
So we did the supine shoulder and one
of the, practitioner was a chiropractor.
The patient had an acute, subacute, like
week or two old where she did something.
And so they started to treat the subscap.
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And her shoulder got just wouldn't tolerate it.
And I said, do me a favor, feel the backside of
her shoulder, and you could feel the dent where
the emphyspinatus and the teres major and minor.
There was an, he said, yeah, there's, it's dense in.
I said, yeah there's, an innie
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where there should be an outie.
And he went, okay.
So we switched.
I said, so what kind of attachment do those tendons have?
Connective tissue.
Okay.
So what is the frequency to repair
torn and broken or to repair and heal?
124.
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And then what's the frequency for connective tissue?
77.
Okay, so put that on and just keep
your fingers on and feel what happens.
So I circulated around the other tables and I came
back and I said, what's happening to the innie?
And he said, it's filling in.
Yeah, give it another couple of minutes
and then you can work on the subscap.
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Because the reason those posterior tendons
have partial thickness tears is because the
subscap is glued and it was, just impingement.
Once he got the tendons to fill in, then he got the
subscap loose and I said, then what is impingement?
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It's bursitis and supraspinatus tendonitis.
What are those frequencies?
So that's the fun part of the practicum is putting
kinesthetic input to go with the cognitive stuff.
And then when they get to the rehab course.
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And I really have slide envy.
You should see her slides.
It would, it's worth coming, not just for
the educational magicness and the chem ness.
She has really great slides.
You guys?
Yeah, definitely.
Mine are boring, but I'm kindergarten.
She's middle school and college,
middle school and high school.
And a little bit of maybe first year.
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Yeah, it's the next step.
I see slides when I go running,
I see pictures and I see images.
And I was making fun of one of my slides because
one of my kids said, did you make that slide mom?
And I said, yeah, I'm like, and that's supposed
to improve clarity because it's really confusing.
Sorry, they don't understand the bubbles.
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So I think, Like anything else I, we talked about the
sacrum a lot today and sacral mechanics and sacral
torsions and you're very neurocentric, I'm very
pelvic centric, yet both of us from our different
backgrounds and love affairs with different systems.
I'd say you're more
myocentric,
right?
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Yeah.
Myocentric, neurocentric, nerve centric.
Muscle nerves, move muscles, move bones, nerves, and
muscles have to work together to make everything work.
Correct.
But my starting place would be pelvic assessment.
Really?
Yes.
Cool.
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Why?
Because the osteopaths of before were very pelvic
centric and I feel like osteopathic models have
disciples very much like chiropractic has the same
sort of philosophy and, naturopaths and functional
medicine doctors have very similar, disciples.
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So to me the spine and the sacrum are.
Very good indicators of change.
And so I wanted to give people some assessment tools
because sometimes smush can only tell us so much and to
have landmarks and markers to be like, this is changing.
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So sometimes the pain doesn't go away,
but sometimes the structure changes.
And sometimes the structure doesn't
do much, but the pain goes away.
So it's nice to have objective findings.
And if you look at the pelvis, pelvis connects the legs.
To the spine, to the neck, to the skull.
Yep.
And the pelvis forms the platform
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for your relationship with the earth.
Ooh.
That's very,
that's very insightful.
I like the way you said that.
It's like you have to, so when we completely
change the psoas, the hamstrings, and then
the ankles, and teach somebody to walk again.
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My goal is By the fifth or sixth time they walk up and
down the room, I want to see arms moving, shoulders
moving, a little salsa music in their head, and that
all has to happen at the pelvis and the SI joint.
So we were taught, we talk a lot about when an SI is stuck.
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And so this is going to, this is, I'm going
to bring in your question here a little
bit that we got at the end of the class.
So we talk about locked up SI,
we've talked about sprained SIs.
We talk a lot about frequency.
I see the SI joint as just like a giant ankle.
It's no different as far as periosteum and ligamentous
attachment and cartilage and that joint surface.
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A lot of kinesthetic awareness happens.
A lot of pain generators are near.
But when an SI joint is hypermobile.
How do you assess for an SI that moves too much
and what frequencies would you think of if you
thought there was not enough stability there?
If you, the SI joint, I do this with my hands, right?
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One rocks back, one rocks forward.
If this one's hypermobile, it's hypermobile for a reason.
So it's, it always goes back to
what happened, how'd you get there?
So what happened before I was skiing, I was whatever.
So this one can get hypermobile because you landed
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on your butt as you fell off a horse, landed
on the stairs, did whatever, and just sure did.
Or, this one can be hypermobile because you
had a kidney infection or a kidney stone.
The psoas turned to plywood on
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this side and locked this one.
If you're going to walk, one of them has to move.
You only had a kidney infection on this side, the left side.
And the brain says, okay, this one has to move.
So muscles move bones.
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Nerves move muscles.
Muscles move bones.
The SI joint didn't move.
Unless there was a specific injury in shearing or one
way or the other to the right SI joint, though, you
have to look for why the right SI joint is hypermobile.
And if it's because the left SI joint is locked because the
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psoas, Or the hamstrings, or the pectineus and the brevis.
If you look at everything that attaches to the one that's
locked, pretty much I don't check the hypermobile one first.
I check the one that doesn't move.
Why doesn't that move?
If there's an injury where they landed on it and
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sheared it, then, okay, then you treat 124 and 77
and 124 and 100 and get this one to be more stable.
That's pretty easy.
Thanks.
getting the locked one to move.
I'm an activator chiropractor.
Side posture adjusting is too dangerous in the lumbar
spine and SI joint, as far as I'm concerned, but
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then I tell everybody I'm a terrible chiropractor.
Anyway, so that's my SI joint story is what happened.
So we had a practitioner during one of the practicums.
She had a Disastrous surgery that
included a super pubic catheter.
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So they put the catheter above
her pubic bone into the bladder.
Just.
Look at the anatomy in your head and tell me what's
going to happen to her pelvis as a result of the
fact that the catheter kept getting pulled out
and she was bleeding into the femoral nerves, the
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femoral artery, the femoral veins, the pectineus, the
brevis, and the bottom end of the iliacus and psoas.
Just, so every case is going to be different.
What do you work on?
It depends, is the answer.
Yeah I think the SI can be really tricky because a lot of
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the times where the pain isn't where the dysfunction is.
I would say, okay.
Almost always.
See you're, my lake.
more confident voice here.
You're my definitive voice.
I've been doing this for 30 plus years.
And, you must've started when you were five.
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No no.
The, the pain is usually in the hypermobile
segment, but muscles move bones.
So you're checking up terator
internus adhesions in the nerve.
So if you have a bleeder that happens to go down under the
pelvic floor and you have an adhesion up in the ischial
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tuberosities with the obturator internus nerve and muscle.
It's what's the pelvis going to, what's the
cerebellum going to do to protect that nerve?
The answer is always write it down.
Take note.
I know you have pens.
The answer is always in the history and the physical exam.
See?
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I'm thinking back to when we were in Kona two
years ago, and I was having pain in my left SI.
I love that.
Tell the story.
I love it because you fixed it.
Tell the story.
Tell the story.
I was having chronic pain in my left SI.
I was getting it, my low back adjusted, my SI adjusted,
but all they were doing was adjusting the left SI.
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So to your point and to my point but when it's
ourselves, we don't always think that clearly.
I can't even tell you.
I was just my own worst patient
saying my pain is in my left SI joint.
You took two seconds and you were
like, but why is your right stuck?
Your left is hypermobile.
What's going on the right?
Which brought you through to, treating my appendix.
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Appendix.
Psoas.
Psoas.
My rib cage, because I was an asthmatic teenager.
You skipped the QL, so we got the kidney.
Yes.
And
the fat pad.
Yes.
And then the ribs were supposed to move.
But they didn't.
And they didn't.
And it's what?
How?
Did you have?
What?
Bronchitis pneumonia.
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Can you remind me how you got to my appendix?
Oh, we were doing standing.
No, we were doing standing hip flexion and I was testing.
You wanted to see how I was moving.
So just standing doing hip flexion and I noticed
I could not flex my hip on the right as much.
I didn't have pain, but it just wouldn't go right.
And you thought what is in the
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way of flexing your right hip?
That's right.
That's right.
And now I remember and it was
like, You flex your hip, it stops.
What is the cerebellum trying to protect?
So I put my fingers down just above your
pubic bone in the right, left, lower
quadrant and there was this pesky appendix.
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She, you didn't have it removed, but when
they took my appendix out, they said, wow,
you've had appendicitis at least six times.
So you get, you think you have the stomach flu, you get
abdominal pain and nausea and vomiting, and it's the flu.
It's appendicitis.
That's amazing.
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And it so I had appendicitis and didn't know it.
I never had appendicitis.
They just took the appendix out when
they went in to do something with an over
and it's let's hear, I'll take it out.
And what was wrong was the appendix was scarred.
To the peritoneal fascia and incidentally to the
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iliacus and the little nerves that go along with it.
So
Who thinks like that?
So I'm sorry, like without FSM,
I would not have thought of that.
Even with visceral manipulation training.
I don't know if you think about
that or you get there so quickly.
You wouldn't think about it, but the peritoneal fascia.
Reason you wouldn't think about it is you
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don't have a tool that lets you fix it.
It's like there is no way.
So it's a two month project with a lot of discomfort
and not much success to get the adhesions out
between the appendix, the peritoneum, the psoas.
And the Iliacus, it's just like, how else can you do that?
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So that's what the other thing you tell somebody
that says, how is it going to change my practice?
You'll be able to treat things that you can't treat now.
And that's why my favorite practitioners are the
ones who've been in practice for at least 10 years.
Getting them right out of school,
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they don't know what they can't do.
They
don't know what you can't, they don't
know what they can't do because they think that
what they taught them in school is going to work.
Right.
And it takes them about 10 years to figure out.
We have somebody here in the audience
that is just laughing because she knows
didn't work.
Yeah.
It's so it lets you do the impossible and makes
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difficult things like scar tissue and nerve pain easy.
Right.
And then when he said, how is
it going to change my practice?
Number one, your chronic frequent flyers get
better and they become your publicity agents.
Yeah.
And the way it changes your practice is you have
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to learn how to manage the flow of new patients.
And they, that's when you get, that's when they
stop and go, what, every chronic pain patient
you fix or help knows six people just like him,
right?
So they go back and they're, they say, Hey that guy
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I've been seeing once a week for the last five years.
He got me better in two weeks, and now I just go
back once a month, or once every two months, so
it saves me a ton of money, and it's this thing,
it doesn't hurt, it's really weird, but it works.
Those six people, and the person at the grocery store
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that knows them, and the lady at the bank, who wants
your card, You have to learn how to manage new patients.
We got to the point where we had to take just
one new patient a day, because every new patient
means twice a week for four to six weeks.
Even if they're better in three weeks, you
plan on twice a week for four to six weeks.
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And it, so you have to learn to manage new patients.
Right.
And then if they happen to have time after closing
their job to say, how is it going to change me?
It makes you think more and look at why,
and it makes you patient and meticulous.
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And what's the word you guys for the learning curve, right?
Where you're learning things and you do
things that you're not sure you believe.
And then you do them again and conscious.
Yeah, it's you, get more consciously competent.
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So you go from knowing what you
know, and that's every profession,
right,
I can't think of a single.
technique that includes MDs, DOs, internists, cardiologists,
neurologists, functional medicine specialists, naturopaths,
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chiropractors, physical therapists, occupational
therapists, Rehab doctors, athletic trainers acupuncturists.
Did I miss anybody?
Nurse practitioners.
Probably a whole, other group that we don't even know exist.
Yeah.
So that's, it's, and then when you come to the
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advanced, you guys have to come to the advanced.
It's going to be so cool.
And the symposium, you're with your tribe.
It's to keep what you give away.
Oh, that is so great.
And we were just talking about the
generosity of FSM practitioners, right?
It's not about proprietary information.
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It's not about ego first it's patient
centric and it's patient care centric.
And if you're, if your MO is to truly listen,
and that's how I think how I've changed.
I've slowed down, but I've gained so much more.
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Yeah.
Because I'm listening in a way that I never listened to.
And it wasn't because I didn't care.
It's because I didn't have any of the tools.
And so I didn't ask the right questions
because I didn't need to ask those questions.
You
didn't ask those questions because it doesn't
make any difference what happened the week before.
There's, there was a patient that
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came in last week or the week before.
And we're doing this history so she
has her major complaint is anxiety.
Okay, so we go back through you know the whole
timeline and it's oh my goodness you have enough
life trauma, and she said, Yeah, but it got worse.
After I had whooping cough in January, whooping cough.
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Wow.
So I'm all ready to treat PTSD and concussion in Vegas.
And because I have learned that I
never get away with not doing it.
I did the physical exam.
You do a range of motion.
Pokey wheel reflexes and put the tuning fork.
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And.
The metal of her forehead and she heard it only
here and I put the tuning fork on either side.
It's ow.
Oh.
Eyes bounced.
You have a vestibular injury.
How did you get?
She had no head injury.
She had nothing.
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It got worse after whooping cough.
I heard it, but I didn't get it
until I did the physical exam.
She had whooping cough.
Anybody here ever had whooping
cough or heard somebody cough?
Think about the interthecal pressure that is created when
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you blow that much pressure up against the round window.
It's just the round window, not the
oval window, just the round window.
And she's got enolymphatic
hydrops on one side, and I ran 40.
and 44, quiet the inner ear.
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Anxiety went away.
I ran that for 30 minutes while I worked on her neck.
That was it.
She got up off the table a completely different person.
Because the answer is always in
the history and the physical exam.
You're right.
And connect, we talked about connecting the dots and
then giving you and all of you new dots to connect.
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So it's taking, and we talked about this
a bit in the rehab course it's, comparing
the, history and the present presentation.
Right.
And the imaging.
Right.
And the previous diagnoses,
and the physical exam,
and then your physical exam, and then it's putting all
these bubbles in my, note taking is still pen and paper and,
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oh, me too.
I have to,
I hate EMR.
Yeah, no offense.
So I have this little pad of paper, and on
the top it's my, Kind of exploration area.
And then I divide the bottom part of my paper into A and B.
So as they're talking, I start
automatically writing A channel ideas.
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Oh, okay.
Okay.
And B channel ideas down.
Okay.
And then.
Dr.
Charlie Weingrof had talked about this so clearly when we
talked to him on the podcast about these bubbles, right?
So the patient presents in one bubble where they are
today and the imaging presents in another bubble.
And sometimes what the imaging presents doesn't
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correlate to what they're describing, right?
Somebody could be in excruciating
pain and have very normal imaging.
Somebody can be, not in pain and have terrible imaging.
I have no disc between L4 and L5,
who knew?
And it doesn't matter because that
particular thing is not the pain generator.
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Right.
And that's a new concept to some people.
Right.
It's, we have, because this is so interdisciplinary,
and because I hung out with, Steve has chiropractors
and MDs and acupuncturists and George and
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I told some George stories this weekend.
Oh I love George stories
are like the best.
Hi George.
And because it's so interdisciplinary, there's this cross
fertilization that happens when, you treat somebody.
So at the five day.
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We had somebody that literally could not
bend her trunk, like it was straight, ram
straight, and she could bend her neck.
But she could barely bend her hips and so we
worked on scarring in the dura and got her bending
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forward and then bending forward and then scarring
in the dura and then eventually she brought
her, she got her, was able to flex her trunk.
Because you put your fingers in the
diaphragm and have them bend forward over it.
So it took about 30 minutes, and then as she's
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bending forward, I looked at her spine, and in
my head, there's that diagram from, what's his
name, this black acupuncture book, and there's
the bladder meridian running straight up the back.
So I set the frequency as she I sat up, I set the
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frequency for balancing 35, the bladder Meridian.
And I took my fingernail and poked on,
just poked it on both sides, all the way up
the spine to open up the bladder channel.
Because if you're going to bend
forward, it's not just the dura,
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right?
It's the whole energetic and acupuncture system.
And that's a whole other way of thinking of it.
How would you?
When did you like?
Thank you, Pat Lawless and Sandra Megan,
because when they came to take the FSM
course in 2003, they do pulse diagnosis.
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And spleen deficient kidney deficient, and
then we ran the frequencies for balancing
Kidney and spleen, and it wouldn't settle down.
And then Sandra Megan said, The
lung is the mother of the kidney.
It's okay, so run.
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She wouldn't even tolerate vitality in the lung.
We had to do balance in the lung.
Balance the lung.
And using,
and using 35?
Just 35, and the contact was
behind her neck and under her feet.
And you run balance in the lung and
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the kidney and spleen just settle down.
And she went from tired to wow.
Who put an acupuncturist things like that?
And I think that's the wonderful
like hive that we have, right.
Is because we have practitioners that have
their own special way of thinking of it.
Like today we, or last three days, we talked heavy on
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agonist and antagonist, the primary mover is inhibited.
This is how it shows up.
If the antagonist is tight, this is what shows up.
But then you go ahead and just put a whole
like truth bomb in there about meridians.
And then
it was the last resort because it's not my thing.
But it was almost like you could see it.
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Interesting.
It's it's so I poked it and all of
a sudden bending forward got easier.
Interesting.
Interesting.
And then I thought of you and we did 81 and 84.
And had her contract segmental muscles as she sat up.
Right.
And the word I used, because of you, was stack it.
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Yes.
Stack your vertebra.
We talked about that today.
And I've actually been very careful
with my words because of you.
Because we talk about this highly suggestible,
state that people are in with FSM.
We don't want to use negative words.
So we're, changing the whole torn
and broken to repair and heal.
So the extra cue I've been adding to stacking
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is stack it like a Lego tower, something that
is uniform and straight, like not like the Jenga
tower that's about to, or leaning tower Pisa.
So like stacking it, this is something that even
if we're not kinesthetically aware of what our
vertebrae do, we can understand that concept
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of going vertebrae by vertebrae stacking.
Now all of a sudden it's making me
sit up straighter as you say that.
We're highly suggestible right now, so we
want to have good posture as we're stacking.
My cerebellum
heard you when you said stack it like a Lego tower.
Yeah, so this is this is, all important.
So it's not just about the frequencies, it's about,
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I think, our verbal cues on how to deliver that.
So I'm not sure if there's any questions online yet.
I'm not sure if there's anybody here that want to ask
any questions, but typically around this time, my little
timer goes off and I was like, no, it's not no, but
we, I normally do our check in about halfway through.
Okay.
Q and a.
I don't see any questions.
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Are you guys there?
Hello?
That's very odd to not have any questions right now.
That is
apparently they're having so much fun.
Anybody here?
We, do have Yoda sitting in front of us.
Now is a chance to ask a question.
I actually
have this, It was a sweatshirt or it was a name
tag and it had the FSM logo and it just said Yoda.
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Okay.
So we did that one year and you gave me one that said Luke.
And then somebody had come up to
me and was like, who didn't know?
Hi Luke.
I had, and I'm just like, , that's not my real name.
These are our star warnings for this weekend.
Just the
four slope.
Oh my gosh.
Okay.
You don't have a list this time.
Is that okay?
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So you've been too busy to make a list.
I I, don't.
I have, again, it's an old school legal pad.
And so I think Kevin said today is our what episode?
150.
Wow.
We've been doing this 150 times.
That's just crazy.
It just brings me And there's never a shortage of
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things to talk about because you get to debrief
about your week, I get to debrief about my
week, I get to talk about teaching the courses.
I have always all these questions.
One question that comes up right all the time when
I teach, and I always think I have to ask you,
the difference between 39 and 59 on Bee Channel.
And the answer is, for one weekend, I knew, one, one
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weekend, 59 and 39 are the frequencies for bone, one
is cortical bone, that thick stuff on the outside, the
other is cancellous bone, the fuzzy stuff on the inside,
and there was a patient that had clearly damage to the
outside part of the bone, and either 39 or 59 worked.
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More smush more he felt better and that was
that one time and I didn't write it down.
So We run both you always have to run both.
Okay.
Good.
I got one for you
Oh,
remember what we talked about the other
night the thing you don't want to talk about.
Yeah,
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can I talk about that?
Okay So the, thing that's difficult to talk
about, and most of you, especially the people
that are addicted to the podcast are using FSM
and you get more and more complicated patients.
And at some point you're going to
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get a patient that breaks your heart.
Is that the best way to describe it?
Yeah.
It's it's surgery that went bad.
a condition that can't be fixed, an emotional load for the
patient that just breaks your heart and you can't fix it.
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You can empathize.
My mother used to say, if you want
sympathy, look it up in the dictionary.
It's that's so sympathy doesn't do any good.
Empathy is, I accept where you
are and I don't, because if you
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put out that you want to fix it, number
one, it's not fair if it's unfixable.
Number two, then the, you put the patient,
stay with me on this one, it's not easy.
You put the patient in the position of feeling
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bad for being in the situation they are
because their situation makes you feel bad.
You got that?
Is that right?
No.
Yes.
So empathy and collaboration.
How can I help you?
What would, what is the most
important thing I can do for you?
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I don't know.
It'd be really nice if my shoulder didn't hurt.
And it's.
And then your take home message the other night
after our conversation was you run concussion and
vagus on yourself three times a week, at least.
If that's the only reason you bought a magnetic
converter was that you could treat yourself in bed
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after your sleep and it'll work even if you're sleeping.
Because.
FSM practitioners as a group, because we have
a tool that lets us work on the midbrain, quiet
the limbic system, take a nap, honey, it's going
to be all right, at least temporarily, right?
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Yeah.
It raises serotonin, it, it increases GABA, it decreases
glutamate, it, treating the vagus does all those things.
So we have a tool that lets us help the patient
with their emotional stuff, but we get engaged
All right.
And staying engaged and protecting yourself
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both energetically and emotionally.
That's a balancing act that takes time.
Took me about 10 years.
Wow, yeah.
Just so you guys know.
We, it's a very complicated topic, right?
You
think?
But I think we can all agree, no matter if you're Big into
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the energetic exchange or just being a a practitioner.
We would talk about burnout all the time.
We talk about proper body mechanics all the
time, but the psychological burnout that happens
when you start getting more and more complex.
Patients.
Also the pressure that you feel when working with
professional athletes to get the job done yesterday.
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And.
It is a lot.
We were talking a lot today about no matter
if it's an athlete or a complex pain patient,
giving them as much control as possible.
So you don't feel as much responsibility to fix them, right?
You are not the healer.
So sometimes the conversation is what
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do you hope to get out of treatment?
Or What do you hope that we can achieve together?
How can we collaborate in order to support your healing?
Yeah.
So it's not about necessarily even how can I help you?
It's how can we work together?
Would you feel comfortable with this sort
of treatment plan that we collaborate on?
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We were talking about sending people home with custom
cares and all the homework that they get to do.
The alphabet exercises.
Yes, the alphabet exercises.
But just saying we are here together in the clinic and
this is what we're going to accomplish today together.
And then when you go home on Tuesday, this
is how you're going to help me when you
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come back and we work together on Wednesday.
So it's the sharing of the responsibility so you don't feel,
like I said, all the responsibility to fix that person.
And it's not just that.
What you do in the clinic sets the stage,
but the patient has to create a stable state.
And the stable state can be physical, emotional, spiritual,
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nutritional, stable state is multifactorial, right?
So the patient with a, she has this bulge at L5
and the bulge is sitting on the S1 nerve root.
It's okay.
This is the exercise that you do.
I, we got rid of her nerve pain.
She went from a seven to a zero and I ended
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up doing a disc pump, which is a chiropractic
thing, and Oh, that does feel better.
And then you, these are the exercises you do.
And so there's a participation and you do,
essential fatty acids, add that to your diet.
And, that's, it's.
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It's a collaboration, and Leif talks about
therapeutic touch, to add empathy and collaboration.
Dora Kunz.
If you look up Therapeutic Touch, it
was Dolores Krieger and Dora Kunz.
Dora Kunz was Harry Van Gelder's sister.
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So Harry set up sort of an adversarial
relationship with the medical community.
Dora went in the back door by training
nurses to do Therapeutic Touch.
And because the nurses were in the hospital,
Therapeutic Touch is widely accepted.
Right.
And there's actually data.
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On the energy spike, they put a therapeutic
touch practitioner in a squid, which is a
chamber that measures electromagnetic pulses.
And when the therapeutic touch practitioner went into, it's
in Jim Oshman's book, went into that therapeutic state,
there was a, an energy pulse that blew the, registers.
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on the instruments and they had to recalibrate
it and set the spectrum wider for the receivers.
Leaf, where do they get trained
on therapeutic touch these days?
Being that Dolores and Dora are both like gone,
there's got to be disciples of it, right?
Because yeah, it's widely accepted.
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I just know no offense to anybody, but I
just don't do Barbara Brenna's class, please.
I've had to fix too many people
that have been to that class.
So there's that.
But it's a matter of taking care of yourself,
remaining empathetic, and the challenge with
burnout is that you get, there is a tendency
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to just get immune, and I just can't go there.
I don't have the energy to do it.
And that's, a matter of your involvement.
And then a lot of times there's emotional
stuff that the patient's dealing with.
It's none of my business,
right?
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This is, good to talk about because we used to
talk about all the time doing like the physical
barrier when in the days of the graphite gloves,
because I have a couple of really old sides
that have the graphite gloves that I remember.
My little spray bottle, my gloves, doing all this stuff.
And there, but there was that barrier, right?
So you felt okay, I wasn't getting the current and
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until you couldn't stand the gloves anymore because
you had to get your hands on the person, the skin.
So the question that comes up as well, how do
you block yourself from getting the current and.
You
don't.
No.
During this two day practicum this weekend, there
were two or three that were really, sensitive to
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the current, and she gets us totally stoned working
on somebody, and she said, How do you do this?
And I said number one, you get used to working stoned.
Yeah.
And number two, you become less
drifty the more often you do it.
So after about the first three
months, it's not usually a problem.
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Totally.
Yeah.
You learn how to Like you said, work stone and
chances are, if you're feeling like that, patient
stone, so they don't notice that you're stone.
So you're both kind of stone together.
Everybody's just having a moment.
I
will
get really warm, especially as I am
doing something more and more profound.
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I start to get really, warm.
If I'm doing something that's
really profound is a good word.
Even if it's physical medicine, I'll get.
Tears in my eyes.
It's not like I'm crying.
It's just my eyes water.
Right.
And I get warm.
That's pretty cool.
Yeah.
And then you're right.
You just learn how to, work stone.
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So that's, like the, we talk about the short term
play and the long term play all the time with, rehab.
How do we, yes, you need to fix the ilia and yes,
you need to break down scar tissue, but the short
term play is getting that patient out of pain.
And then we can fix things.
It doesn't matter if you fix the nominate rotation, if
they came in a five out of five in pain and they left
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a five out of five in pain, They may not come back for
treatment number two, so we need to get the pain down.
That's the short term play.
So our short term play is, yeah, protecting
ourselves and in the room and everything else.
But the more you practice and
the more those patients find you.
And the emotional interaction part is
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usually more of the long term relationship.
So the first visit, I.
Have people create a timeline that
goes back pretty much to birth.
So my new patient visits are 2 to 3 hours and an
hour and a half to 2 hours of that is history.
And then I've gotten so that I can do a pretty
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much complete physical in 20 minutes and then.
The third hour is who has time to do that in the real world?
So you have them provide a timeline, look
over it quickly, and then get to presenting
complaint, what can I do for you today?
And because the practitioners have them
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twice a week for four to six weeks.
I have them for four days total.
So I got to get stuff done.
I'm doing in four days what you're doing in six weeks.
And so my approach to things at this
point is different than the real world.
So that person who is in pain also knows
that they're going to see you tomorrow.
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So you get that, but I think for the most
part, most of us don't practice in that model.
And we want to get somebody out of pain.
You have to you like the first visit, that's the goal.
Right.
And.
You treat the ureter and the psoas and run another
machine to fix the SI joint that's unstable.
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Use another machine to work manually on the one
that's not moving and then osteopathically or
chiropractically or manual therapy, whatever PTs do,
get the stuck one to move and you'll get the stuck
one to move by getting the muscles to let go and
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have a second machine that's repairing the loose one.
And it's 30 minutes.
It's 60 minutes.
The other, component to getting somebody out
of pain, despite the fact that you want them to
come back tomorrow, but if somebody is in pain,
is your treatment going to be as effective?
If their pain hasn't changed at the end
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of 30 to 60 minutes, you didn't do it.
Didn't get it done.
And in that case, I don't charge them for that visit.
I just
eat it.
It's sorry.
I'm just, and the receptionist says, what?
It's okay, fine.
I'll charge you 15 just so that
we pay for the receptionist time.
But I want to see you tomorrow.
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Right.
Cause.
I didn't get it.
We were talking a little bit today.
I gave my own example of I had some some shockwave done
on my foot for a little plantar fasciitis ankle thing.
And it was excruciating.
And I was thinking about how much everything in
every muscle in my leg was contracting, how I
was pulling away and trying to yank my foot away.
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And it was this big ha.
And I thought this is the exact opposite of what a
beneficial therapeutic treatment should feel like.
The fascia, there's no thixotropic changes
happening with biplanar fascia in that case.
Everything was the thixotropic, maybe going the other
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way, going to rock solid because it's get me out of here.
Get me out of here.
And my nervous system was hijacked and I started to sweat.
And I'm like, this is not in the
direction of healing in this moment.
Can you explain to me?
How shockwave has gotten so popular when it's that awful.
I, we were talking a little bit about shockwave
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and like the theraguns and all the different
percussive devices that are very popular right now.
And I don't know if it was over COVID
people weren't going to practitioners.
They were trying to treat themselves.
I've been treating a lot of injuries because
people are shockwaving and theragunning tissues and
inflaming them and making things worse or damaging.
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Tissues because they're not being
applied to the muscle belly.
They're more in the musculotendons junction.
Yeah.
And it's been, it's been, it's yeah,
I've been treating a lot of those.
So I don't know.
I don't know why shockwave is popular.
And some people like that more is more,
i, don't, John did you have, a question?
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I just had a comment that I just wanted to say.
Anybody hasn't come and spent five days.
I just spent five days with these
two ladies and it's amazing.
And what I wanted anybody out there in the
world to know is I picked up two new frequencies
that are in our book that I didn't know.
And Kim taught this.
And it was like putting in the good
before pulling out the pathology.
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And it's like a game changer.
So if you're not coming to these practicums,
and Kim shouldn't be calling it the sports
course, she should be calling it something else.
It's vitality rehab, but
vitality, you can just
do so much better.
And I just picked up 30 years of wisdom in just five days.
It was a bargain.
Oh, thanks.
Thank you.
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That's real world.
That's a huge compliment.
So yeah, and it's, and I will that thinking again
to the advance and listening to Roger Billiken, he
was talking to nothing about frequency or physical
medicine, he was talking more on a Prescriptive
homeopathy supplement regime about sometimes you have
to support somebody before you take out the bad stuff
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and I'm like that's what we have to do with fascia.
We have to give the fascia.
Thixotropic changes before we can pull the scar tissue
we have to give strength before we could pull up.
So that just changed my world so that is doing at
the same time, you can you do them at the same time.
I've tried, and sometimes it works, and sometimes it
doesn't, and sometimes you just need to give the good, and
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Did you learn anything new this week?
I learned so
many new things.
Tell me, I wanna, learn.
Yeah, so as far as frequency or application
or teaching or people or all of it.
Sure.
Two minutes.
I have to summarize.
It's true.
(54:10):
It's we have two minutes.
Okay, go.
We learn from the, we learn from our patients all
the time, and we learn one of the things that I've
learned is as a practitioner with FSM is I can't
rush the process and I'm learning as an instructor.
I also can't.
Rush the process of teaching that I have to give options.
(54:34):
I have to give options to my clients.
I have to give options to the students,
but there has to be structured.
Yeah.
There has to be clear instruction, right?
We're talking about that deep down.
I am a German shepherd.
I am a working dog.
I need a job.
I need a job to do.
Give me clear instruction and I will execute that job.
However, we need to have adaptability.
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Yeah, it's like educated intuition.
You have to start in the first grade.
Really you have to know arithmetic
before you can do algebra.
So I'm the first grade through about
first through eighth grade, maybe.
And so you have to have structure.
And then during the practicums, they learn
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flexibility, but you have to have a base to
start from, but don't get attached to the recipe.
Right.
Is that?
It's, that's totally it.
It's, having a hypothesis that you are not attached
to and that's my alarm going off that it's.
That
was the other thing that FSM
teaches you is flexibility of mind.
(55:37):
Yeah.
You have to be flexible of mind.
Yeah.
Don't
get attached because some people
walk in the room as students.
You can beep away, but we're going to keep talking.
No, it's my
phone over there actually.
They walk in.
In their head attached to everything has an emotional basis.
Yeah.
It's no.
(55:59):
Yes, but no.
It's yeah.
No, your phone is going to keep
beeping until we stop talking.
It just tells us that it's and your
computer's beeping and there we go.
And we just got it.
It's such a treat to get to do this in person.
The next time we'll be in Phoenix.
Yes,
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we'll be in Phoenix.
And then there's the bigger ballroom and the bigger
camera and the bigger questions and the bigger things.
Yeah.
So keep the cameras or keep the camp, keep the
cameras rolling, keep the questions coming.
I'm going to add it to my my legal pad
and maybe I'll bring it to Arizona.
So you guys can see after 150 episodes,
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just how just so much we haven't covered.
Yeah, we have so much fun.
Thanks for.
Thanks for tuning in or whatever your podcast, what
do you call it when somebody Listen, still podcast.
I don't know.
I don't know.
Cause it's
not a radio.
Thanks for
hanging out with us for an hour.
And dealing with the camera changes.
There we go.
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We got it
wired though.
Thank you.
Thank all of you.
And we'll see you all next week.
Do
good things.
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And when you're in a course and you're having
so much fun and you're surrounded by brains
(00:21):
that are going to do amazing things with FSM, it
doesn't matter what the weather is like outside.
So I'm glad that.
People are having had a good time with us.
We have a bit of a live studio audience.
People who have been in my course for the past three days
are here with us live on the other side of this camera.
But I have so much fun teaching, more
fun teaching than I do attending.
(00:44):
Because
yeah,
because I like to talk and I like to move.
So that's very helpful.
Cause when you are a participant talking and moving is, it's
It's, and I got to teach a two day practicum
over the weekend and we had eight, 17, 18 people.
(01:05):
And so it was very, it's the nice thing about
having small classes and about having, not having
to get on airplanes and ship stuff is we're at home.
And.
The practicums over the weekend were magic.
You know how the supine lumbar
(01:26):
practicum is always fun anyway?
Yes.
This was two patients, practitioners on separate
tables with in intricate, complicated, difficult
(01:47):
abdominal surgeries one of which looks like it was
done with a chainsaw, but that's another conversation.
And to watch them learn how to press, find the
tight spot, wait while it softens one to two
millimeters, and then Stretch it for one to two
(02:11):
millimeters until it gets tight again, and then wait.
Getting to go through the manual part during those
practicums was just a game changer for the students,
and then for those of us who are that stayed for
the rehab portion and then the sports advanced.
(02:34):
Yeah.
It's just like five days of awesomeness.
It can be overwhelming though.
So I was thinking about, I had somebody that contacted me a
couple of weeks ago and said, I'm really interested in FSM.
This is a busy chiropractor.
How will FSM change my practice in two minutes?
(02:57):
So I said, how do you,
how do you explain?
I, don't know.
I was a bit, I said I can't.
I can't summarize that in two minutes.
And he's no how will it change me as a practitioner?
So it will say that the questions kept
(03:17):
getting more and more complicated.
So those of you who are listening that are practitioners
using FSM, you understand this tongue tiedness that.
That it caught me.
And I know that it will make you a better person.
I know that it will make you a better practitioner.
I know that it will challenge you.
I know that it will infuriate you.
I know that it will give you hope.
(03:38):
These are all these things that I could think of.
I'm a lot more specific because specifics
give them something to grab onto.
Yes.
So there's one of the short versions
and the things we take for granted.
So I had a, an MD as a patient.
Last week, who was an internist, retired, and then his
(04:02):
wife, and his wife's pain diagram was, interesting, and
suggested that it was abdominal adhesions, and trigger
points, basic, not, it was trigger points in the,
psoas, the rectus abdominis, and the quadratus lumborum.
And so he watched me work on the psoas.
(04:29):
the rectus abdominis, the quadratus lumborum,
and he said, this is like impossible.
And that's, the short version of what I would tell a
chiropractor who said, how will it change my practice?
You'll be able to treat things you've never been able
to treat and he'll say what have you ever in your
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life been able to say treating nerve pain is easy.
So the patient comes in with a lumbar disc and level
seven pain at the L5 and S1 nerve root on the left.
And in 15 minutes, their pain is a zero.
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Can you do that now?
With FSM, nerve pain is the easiest thing we treat.
repairing the disc.
There's a protocol for repairing the disc and you
tell the patient we get rid of the nerve pain.
You come in and see me, or you can use a
home unit to get rid of the nerve pain.
And then we run a protocol two or
three times a week for six weeks.
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Your disc bulge doesn't have a fragment.
It's just a bulge and it's like
having a sprained ankle in your disc.
Somebody just wrote, can we look at the other
camera we see looking up at the ceiling?
Oh, I'm not looking.
We're not supposed to look at Kevin's camera.
We're not supposed to look at Kevin's camera.
Thank you.
Because I don't like looking at Kevin's camera.
I like looking at this camera.
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Thank
you Anonymous.
Thank you Anonymous.
Oh, thank you Anonymous.
Okay.
Anyway, so that's, the specifics is.
Nerve pain is the easiest thing to treat, treating
traumatic brain injuries, treating the vagus nerve, treating
gastroparesis, Ehlers Danlos, sprain strain injuries.
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Do you know what I caught myself saying today?
What'd you say?
Showing how easy frozen shoulder is to treat.
Oh yeah, that's
And I had that moment where I'm just like
Waiting for lightning?
Yeah.
And not every type of frozen shoulder.
We were talking about the differences between a
pathological or disease frozen shoulder type one versus
secondary frozen shoulder type two and how we, but
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when the onset is because of something like a hormonal
imbalance or an autoimmune imbalance or a vaccine injury.
Or stress.
And what does infection, stress,
and trauma have to deal with?
Vegas.
The Vegas.
So treating the Vegas first before subscap can be happy.
So it's giving the options, right?
So as an instructor, I feel like more options we can give.
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It's why I love practicums.
Yes.
So we did the supine shoulder and one
of the, practitioner was a chiropractor.
The patient had an acute, subacute, like
week or two old where she did something.
And so they started to treat the subscap.
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And her shoulder got just wouldn't tolerate it.
And I said, do me a favor, feel the backside of
her shoulder, and you could feel the dent where
the emphyspinatus and the teres major and minor.
There was an, he said, yeah, there's, it's dense in.
I said, yeah there's, an innie
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where there should be an outie.
And he went, okay.
So we switched.
I said, so what kind of attachment do those tendons have?
Connective tissue.
Okay.
So what is the frequency to repair
torn and broken or to repair and heal?
124.
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And then what's the frequency for connective tissue?
77.
Okay, so put that on and just keep
your fingers on and feel what happens.
So I circulated around the other tables and I came
back and I said, what's happening to the innie?
And he said, it's filling in.
Yeah, give it another couple of minutes
and then you can work on the subscap.
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Because the reason those posterior tendons
have partial thickness tears is because the
subscap is glued and it was, just impingement.
Once he got the tendons to fill in, then he got the
subscap loose and I said, then what is impingement?
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It's bursitis and supraspinatus tendonitis.
What are those frequencies?
So that's the fun part of the practicum is putting
kinesthetic input to go with the cognitive stuff.
And then when they get to the rehab course.
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And I really have slide envy.
You should see her slides.
It would, it's worth coming, not just for
the educational magicness and the chem ness.
She has really great slides.
You guys?
Yeah, definitely.
Mine are boring, but I'm kindergarten.
She's middle school and college,
middle school and high school.
And a little bit of maybe first year.
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Yeah, it's the next step.
I see slides when I go running,
I see pictures and I see images.
And I was making fun of one of my slides because
one of my kids said, did you make that slide mom?
And I said, yeah, I'm like, and that's supposed
to improve clarity because it's really confusing.
Sorry, they don't understand the bubbles.
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So I think, Like anything else I, we talked about the
sacrum a lot today and sacral mechanics and sacral
torsions and you're very neurocentric, I'm very
pelvic centric, yet both of us from our different
backgrounds and love affairs with different systems.
I'd say you're more
myocentric,
right?
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Yeah.
Myocentric, neurocentric, nerve centric.
Muscle nerves, move muscles, move bones, nerves, and
muscles have to work together to make everything work.
Correct.
But my starting place would be pelvic assessment.
Really?
Yes.
Cool.
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Why?
Because the osteopaths of before were very pelvic
centric and I feel like osteopathic models have
disciples very much like chiropractic has the same
sort of philosophy and, naturopaths and functional
medicine doctors have very similar, disciples.
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So to me the spine and the sacrum are.
Very good indicators of change.
And so I wanted to give people some assessment tools
because sometimes smush can only tell us so much and to
have landmarks and markers to be like, this is changing.
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So sometimes the pain doesn't go away,
but sometimes the structure changes.
And sometimes the structure doesn't
do much, but the pain goes away.
So it's nice to have objective findings.
And if you look at the pelvis, pelvis connects the legs.
To the spine, to the neck, to the skull.
Yep.
And the pelvis forms the platform
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for your relationship with the earth.
Ooh.
That's very,
that's very insightful.
I like the way you said that.
It's like you have to, so when we completely
change the psoas, the hamstrings, and then
the ankles, and teach somebody to walk again.
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My goal is By the fifth or sixth time they walk up and
down the room, I want to see arms moving, shoulders
moving, a little salsa music in their head, and that
all has to happen at the pelvis and the SI joint.
So we were taught, we talk a lot about when an SI is stuck.
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And so this is going to, this is, I'm going
to bring in your question here a little
bit that we got at the end of the class.
So we talk about locked up SI,
we've talked about sprained SIs.
We talk a lot about frequency.
I see the SI joint as just like a giant ankle.
It's no different as far as periosteum and ligamentous
attachment and cartilage and that joint surface.
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A lot of kinesthetic awareness happens.
A lot of pain generators are near.
But when an SI joint is hypermobile.
How do you assess for an SI that moves too much
and what frequencies would you think of if you
thought there was not enough stability there?
If you, the SI joint, I do this with my hands, right?
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One rocks back, one rocks forward.
If this one's hypermobile, it's hypermobile for a reason.
So it's, it always goes back to
what happened, how'd you get there?
So what happened before I was skiing, I was whatever.
So this one can get hypermobile because you landed
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on your butt as you fell off a horse, landed
on the stairs, did whatever, and just sure did.
Or, this one can be hypermobile because you
had a kidney infection or a kidney stone.
The psoas turned to plywood on
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this side and locked this one.
If you're going to walk, one of them has to move.
You only had a kidney infection on this side, the left side.
And the brain says, okay, this one has to move.
So muscles move bones.
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Nerves move muscles.
Muscles move bones.
The SI joint didn't move.
Unless there was a specific injury in shearing or one
way or the other to the right SI joint, though, you
have to look for why the right SI joint is hypermobile.
And if it's because the left SI joint is locked because the
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psoas, Or the hamstrings, or the pectineus and the brevis.
If you look at everything that attaches to the one that's
locked, pretty much I don't check the hypermobile one first.
I check the one that doesn't move.
Why doesn't that move?
If there's an injury where they landed on it and
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sheared it, then, okay, then you treat 124 and 77
and 124 and 100 and get this one to be more stable.
That's pretty easy.
Thanks.
getting the locked one to move.
I'm an activator chiropractor.
Side posture adjusting is too dangerous in the lumbar
spine and SI joint, as far as I'm concerned, but
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then I tell everybody I'm a terrible chiropractor.
Anyway, so that's my SI joint story is what happened.
So we had a practitioner during one of the practicums.
She had a Disastrous surgery that
included a super pubic catheter.
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So they put the catheter above
her pubic bone into the bladder.
Just.
Look at the anatomy in your head and tell me what's
going to happen to her pelvis as a result of the
fact that the catheter kept getting pulled out
and she was bleeding into the femoral nerves, the
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femoral artery, the femoral veins, the pectineus, the
brevis, and the bottom end of the iliacus and psoas.
Just, so every case is going to be different.
What do you work on?
It depends, is the answer.
Yeah I think the SI can be really tricky because a lot of
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the times where the pain isn't where the dysfunction is.
I would say, okay.
Almost always.
See you're, my lake.
more confident voice here.
You're my definitive voice.
I've been doing this for 30 plus years.
And, you must've started when you were five.
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No no.
The, the pain is usually in the hypermobile
segment, but muscles move bones.
So you're checking up terator
internus adhesions in the nerve.
So if you have a bleeder that happens to go down under the
pelvic floor and you have an adhesion up in the ischial
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tuberosities with the obturator internus nerve and muscle.
It's what's the pelvis going to, what's the
cerebellum going to do to protect that nerve?
The answer is always write it down.
Take note.
I know you have pens.
The answer is always in the history and the physical exam.
See?
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I'm thinking back to when we were in Kona two
years ago, and I was having pain in my left SI.
I love that.
Tell the story.
I love it because you fixed it.
Tell the story.
Tell the story.
I was having chronic pain in my left SI.
I was getting it, my low back adjusted, my SI adjusted,
but all they were doing was adjusting the left SI.
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So to your point and to my point but when it's
ourselves, we don't always think that clearly.
I can't even tell you.
I was just my own worst patient
saying my pain is in my left SI joint.
You took two seconds and you were
like, but why is your right stuck?
Your left is hypermobile.
What's going on the right?
Which brought you through to, treating my appendix.
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Appendix.
Psoas.
Psoas.
My rib cage, because I was an asthmatic teenager.
You skipped the QL, so we got the kidney.
Yes.
And
the fat pad.
Yes.
And then the ribs were supposed to move.
But they didn't.
And they didn't.
And it's what?
How?
Did you have?
What?
Bronchitis pneumonia.
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Can you remind me how you got to my appendix?
Oh, we were doing standing.
No, we were doing standing hip flexion and I was testing.
You wanted to see how I was moving.
So just standing doing hip flexion and I noticed
I could not flex my hip on the right as much.
I didn't have pain, but it just wouldn't go right.
And you thought what is in the
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way of flexing your right hip?
That's right.
That's right.
And now I remember and it was
like, You flex your hip, it stops.
What is the cerebellum trying to protect?
So I put my fingers down just above your
pubic bone in the right, left, lower
quadrant and there was this pesky appendix.
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She, you didn't have it removed, but when
they took my appendix out, they said, wow,
you've had appendicitis at least six times.
So you get, you think you have the stomach flu, you get
abdominal pain and nausea and vomiting, and it's the flu.
It's appendicitis.
That's amazing.
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And it so I had appendicitis and didn't know it.
I never had appendicitis.
They just took the appendix out when
they went in to do something with an over
and it's let's hear, I'll take it out.
And what was wrong was the appendix was scarred.
To the peritoneal fascia and incidentally to the
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iliacus and the little nerves that go along with it.
So
Who thinks like that?
So I'm sorry, like without FSM,
I would not have thought of that.
Even with visceral manipulation training.
I don't know if you think about
that or you get there so quickly.
You wouldn't think about it, but the peritoneal fascia.
Reason you wouldn't think about it is you
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don't have a tool that lets you fix it.
It's like there is no way.
So it's a two month project with a lot of discomfort
and not much success to get the adhesions out
between the appendix, the peritoneum, the psoas.
And the Iliacus, it's just like, how else can you do that?
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So that's what the other thing you tell somebody
that says, how is it going to change my practice?
You'll be able to treat things that you can't treat now.
And that's why my favorite practitioners are the
ones who've been in practice for at least 10 years.
Getting them right out of school,
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they don't know what they can't do.
They
don't know what you can't, they don't
know what they can't do because they think that
what they taught them in school is going to work.
Right.
And it takes them about 10 years to figure out.
We have somebody here in the audience
that is just laughing because she knows
didn't work.
Yeah.
It's so it lets you do the impossible and makes
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difficult things like scar tissue and nerve pain easy.
Right.
And then when he said, how is
it going to change my practice?
Number one, your chronic frequent flyers get
better and they become your publicity agents.
Yeah.
And the way it changes your practice is you have
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to learn how to manage the flow of new patients.
And they, that's when you get, that's when they
stop and go, what, every chronic pain patient
you fix or help knows six people just like him,
right?
So they go back and they're, they say, Hey that guy
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I've been seeing once a week for the last five years.
He got me better in two weeks, and now I just go
back once a month, or once every two months, so
it saves me a ton of money, and it's this thing,
it doesn't hurt, it's really weird, but it works.
Those six people, and the person at the grocery store
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that knows them, and the lady at the bank, who wants
your card, You have to learn how to manage new patients.
We got to the point where we had to take just
one new patient a day, because every new patient
means twice a week for four to six weeks.
Even if they're better in three weeks, you
plan on twice a week for four to six weeks.
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And it, so you have to learn to manage new patients.
Right.
And then if they happen to have time after closing
their job to say, how is it going to change me?
It makes you think more and look at why,
and it makes you patient and meticulous.
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And what's the word you guys for the learning curve, right?
Where you're learning things and you do
things that you're not sure you believe.
And then you do them again and conscious.
Yeah, it's you, get more consciously competent.
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So you go from knowing what you
know, and that's every profession,
right,
I can't think of a single.
technique that includes MDs, DOs, internists, cardiologists,
neurologists, functional medicine specialists, naturopaths,
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chiropractors, physical therapists, occupational
therapists, Rehab doctors, athletic trainers acupuncturists.
Did I miss anybody?
Nurse practitioners.
Probably a whole, other group that we don't even know exist.
Yeah.
So that's, it's, and then when you come to the
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advanced, you guys have to come to the advanced.
It's going to be so cool.
And the symposium, you're with your tribe.
It's to keep what you give away.
Oh, that is so great.
And we were just talking about the
generosity of FSM practitioners, right?
It's not about proprietary information.
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It's not about ego first it's patient
centric and it's patient care centric.
And if you're, if your MO is to truly listen,
and that's how I think how I've changed.
I've slowed down, but I've gained so much more.
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Yeah.
Because I'm listening in a way that I never listened to.
And it wasn't because I didn't care.
It's because I didn't have any of the tools.
And so I didn't ask the right questions
because I didn't need to ask those questions.
You
didn't ask those questions because it doesn't
make any difference what happened the week before.
There's, there was a patient that
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came in last week or the week before.
And we're doing this history so she
has her major complaint is anxiety.
Okay, so we go back through you know the whole
timeline and it's oh my goodness you have enough
life trauma, and she said, Yeah, but it got worse.
After I had whooping cough in January, whooping cough.
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Wow.
So I'm all ready to treat PTSD and concussion in Vegas.
And because I have learned that I
never get away with not doing it.
I did the physical exam.
You do a range of motion.
Pokey wheel reflexes and put the tuning fork.
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And.
The metal of her forehead and she heard it only
here and I put the tuning fork on either side.
It's ow.
Oh.
Eyes bounced.
You have a vestibular injury.
How did you get?
She had no head injury.
She had nothing.
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It got worse after whooping cough.
I heard it, but I didn't get it
until I did the physical exam.
She had whooping cough.
Anybody here ever had whooping
cough or heard somebody cough?
Think about the interthecal pressure that is created when
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you blow that much pressure up against the round window.
It's just the round window, not the
oval window, just the round window.
And she's got enolymphatic
hydrops on one side, and I ran 40.
and 44, quiet the inner ear.
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Anxiety went away.
I ran that for 30 minutes while I worked on her neck.
That was it.
She got up off the table a completely different person.
Because the answer is always in
the history and the physical exam.
You're right.
And connect, we talked about connecting the dots and
then giving you and all of you new dots to connect.
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So it's taking, and we talked about this
a bit in the rehab course it's, comparing
the, history and the present presentation.
Right.
And the imaging.
Right.
And the previous diagnoses,
and the physical exam,
and then your physical exam, and then it's putting all
these bubbles in my, note taking is still pen and paper and,
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oh, me too.
I have to,
I hate EMR.
Yeah, no offense.
So I have this little pad of paper, and on
the top it's my, Kind of exploration area.
And then I divide the bottom part of my paper into A and B.
So as they're talking, I start
automatically writing A channel ideas.
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Oh, okay.
Okay.
And B channel ideas down.
Okay.
And then.
Dr.
Charlie Weingrof had talked about this so clearly when we
talked to him on the podcast about these bubbles, right?
So the patient presents in one bubble where they are
today and the imaging presents in another bubble.
And sometimes what the imaging presents doesn't
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correlate to what they're describing, right?
Somebody could be in excruciating
pain and have very normal imaging.
Somebody can be, not in pain and have terrible imaging.
I have no disc between L4 and L5,
who knew?
And it doesn't matter because that
particular thing is not the pain generator.
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Right.
And that's a new concept to some people.
Right.
It's, we have, because this is so interdisciplinary,
and because I hung out with, Steve has chiropractors
and MDs and acupuncturists and George and
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I told some George stories this weekend.
Oh I love George stories
are like the best.
Hi George.
And because it's so interdisciplinary, there's this cross
fertilization that happens when, you treat somebody.
So at the five day.
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We had somebody that literally could not
bend her trunk, like it was straight, ram
straight, and she could bend her neck.
But she could barely bend her hips and so we
worked on scarring in the dura and got her bending
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forward and then bending forward and then scarring
in the dura and then eventually she brought
her, she got her, was able to flex her trunk.
Because you put your fingers in the
diaphragm and have them bend forward over it.
So it took about 30 minutes, and then as she's
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bending forward, I looked at her spine, and in
my head, there's that diagram from, what's his
name, this black acupuncture book, and there's
the bladder meridian running straight up the back.
So I set the frequency as she I sat up, I set the
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frequency for balancing 35, the bladder Meridian.
And I took my fingernail and poked on,
just poked it on both sides, all the way up
the spine to open up the bladder channel.
Because if you're going to bend
forward, it's not just the dura,
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right?
It's the whole energetic and acupuncture system.
And that's a whole other way of thinking of it.
How would you?
When did you like?
Thank you, Pat Lawless and Sandra Megan,
because when they came to take the FSM
course in 2003, they do pulse diagnosis.
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And spleen deficient kidney deficient, and
then we ran the frequencies for balancing
Kidney and spleen, and it wouldn't settle down.
And then Sandra Megan said, The
lung is the mother of the kidney.
It's okay, so run.
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She wouldn't even tolerate vitality in the lung.
We had to do balance in the lung.
Balance the lung.
And using,
and using 35?
Just 35, and the contact was
behind her neck and under her feet.
And you run balance in the lung and
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the kidney and spleen just settle down.
And she went from tired to wow.
Who put an acupuncturist things like that?
And I think that's the wonderful
like hive that we have, right.
Is because we have practitioners that have
their own special way of thinking of it.
Like today we, or last three days, we talked heavy on
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agonist and antagonist, the primary mover is inhibited.
This is how it shows up.
If the antagonist is tight, this is what shows up.
But then you go ahead and just put a whole
like truth bomb in there about meridians.
And then
it was the last resort because it's not my thing.
But it was almost like you could see it.
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Interesting.
It's it's so I poked it and all of
a sudden bending forward got easier.
Interesting.
Interesting.
And then I thought of you and we did 81 and 84.
And had her contract segmental muscles as she sat up.
Right.
And the word I used, because of you, was stack it.
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Yes.
Stack your vertebra.
We talked about that today.
And I've actually been very careful
with my words because of you.
Because we talk about this highly suggestible,
state that people are in with FSM.
We don't want to use negative words.
So we're, changing the whole torn
and broken to repair and heal.
So the extra cue I've been adding to stacking
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is stack it like a Lego tower, something that
is uniform and straight, like not like the Jenga
tower that's about to, or leaning tower Pisa.
So like stacking it, this is something that even
if we're not kinesthetically aware of what our
vertebrae do, we can understand that concept
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of going vertebrae by vertebrae stacking.
Now all of a sudden it's making me
sit up straighter as you say that.
We're highly suggestible right now, so we
want to have good posture as we're stacking.
My cerebellum
heard you when you said stack it like a Lego tower.
Yeah, so this is this is, all important.
So it's not just about the frequencies, it's about,
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I think, our verbal cues on how to deliver that.
So I'm not sure if there's any questions online yet.
I'm not sure if there's anybody here that want to ask
any questions, but typically around this time, my little
timer goes off and I was like, no, it's not no, but
we, I normally do our check in about halfway through.
Okay.
Q and a.
I don't see any questions.
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Are you guys there?
Hello?
That's very odd to not have any questions right now.
That is
apparently they're having so much fun.
Anybody here?
We, do have Yoda sitting in front of us.
Now is a chance to ask a question.
I actually
have this, It was a sweatshirt or it was a name
tag and it had the FSM logo and it just said Yoda.
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Okay.
So we did that one year and you gave me one that said Luke.
And then somebody had come up to
me and was like, who didn't know?
Hi Luke.
I had, and I'm just like, , that's not my real name.
These are our star warnings for this weekend.
Just the
four slope.
Oh my gosh.
Okay.
You don't have a list this time.
Is that okay?
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So you've been too busy to make a list.
I I, don't.
I have, again, it's an old school legal pad.
And so I think Kevin said today is our what episode?
150.
Wow.
We've been doing this 150 times.
That's just crazy.
It just brings me And there's never a shortage of
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things to talk about because you get to debrief
about your week, I get to debrief about my
week, I get to talk about teaching the courses.
I have always all these questions.
One question that comes up right all the time when
I teach, and I always think I have to ask you,
the difference between 39 and 59 on Bee Channel.
And the answer is, for one weekend, I knew, one, one
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weekend, 59 and 39 are the frequencies for bone, one
is cortical bone, that thick stuff on the outside, the
other is cancellous bone, the fuzzy stuff on the inside,
and there was a patient that had clearly damage to the
outside part of the bone, and either 39 or 59 worked.
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More smush more he felt better and that was
that one time and I didn't write it down.
So We run both you always have to run both.
Okay.
Good.
I got one for you
Oh,
remember what we talked about the other
night the thing you don't want to talk about.
Yeah,
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can I talk about that?
Okay So the, thing that's difficult to talk
about, and most of you, especially the people
that are addicted to the podcast are using FSM
and you get more and more complicated patients.
And at some point you're going to
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get a patient that breaks your heart.
Is that the best way to describe it?
Yeah.
It's it's surgery that went bad.
a condition that can't be fixed, an emotional load for the
patient that just breaks your heart and you can't fix it.
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You can empathize.
My mother used to say, if you want
sympathy, look it up in the dictionary.
It's that's so sympathy doesn't do any good.
Empathy is, I accept where you
are and I don't, because if you
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put out that you want to fix it, number
one, it's not fair if it's unfixable.
Number two, then the, you put the patient,
stay with me on this one, it's not easy.
You put the patient in the position of feeling
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bad for being in the situation they are
because their situation makes you feel bad.
You got that?
Is that right?
No.
Yes.
So empathy and collaboration.
How can I help you?
What would, what is the most
important thing I can do for you?
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I don't know.
It'd be really nice if my shoulder didn't hurt.
And it's.
And then your take home message the other night
after our conversation was you run concussion and
vagus on yourself three times a week, at least.
If that's the only reason you bought a magnetic
converter was that you could treat yourself in bed
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after your sleep and it'll work even if you're sleeping.
Because.
FSM practitioners as a group, because we have
a tool that lets us work on the midbrain, quiet
the limbic system, take a nap, honey, it's going
to be all right, at least temporarily, right?
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Yeah.
It raises serotonin, it, it increases GABA, it decreases
glutamate, it, treating the vagus does all those things.
So we have a tool that lets us help the patient
with their emotional stuff, but we get engaged
All right.
And staying engaged and protecting yourself
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both energetically and emotionally.
That's a balancing act that takes time.
Took me about 10 years.
Wow, yeah.
Just so you guys know.
We, it's a very complicated topic, right?
You
think?
But I think we can all agree, no matter if you're Big into
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the energetic exchange or just being a a practitioner.
We would talk about burnout all the time.
We talk about proper body mechanics all the
time, but the psychological burnout that happens
when you start getting more and more complex.
Patients.
Also the pressure that you feel when working with
professional athletes to get the job done yesterday.
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And.
It is a lot.
We were talking a lot today about no matter
if it's an athlete or a complex pain patient,
giving them as much control as possible.
So you don't feel as much responsibility to fix them, right?
You are not the healer.
So sometimes the conversation is what
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do you hope to get out of treatment?
Or What do you hope that we can achieve together?
How can we collaborate in order to support your healing?
Yeah.
So it's not about necessarily even how can I help you?
It's how can we work together?
Would you feel comfortable with this sort
of treatment plan that we collaborate on?
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We were talking about sending people home with custom
cares and all the homework that they get to do.
The alphabet exercises.
Yes, the alphabet exercises.
But just saying we are here together in the clinic and
this is what we're going to accomplish today together.
And then when you go home on Tuesday, this
is how you're going to help me when you
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come back and we work together on Wednesday.
So it's the sharing of the responsibility so you don't feel,
like I said, all the responsibility to fix that person.
And it's not just that.
What you do in the clinic sets the stage,
but the patient has to create a stable state.
And the stable state can be physical, emotional, spiritual,
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nutritional, stable state is multifactorial, right?
So the patient with a, she has this bulge at L5
and the bulge is sitting on the S1 nerve root.
It's okay.
This is the exercise that you do.
I, we got rid of her nerve pain.
She went from a seven to a zero and I ended
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up doing a disc pump, which is a chiropractic
thing, and Oh, that does feel better.
And then you, these are the exercises you do.
And so there's a participation and you do,
essential fatty acids, add that to your diet.
And, that's, it's.
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It's a collaboration, and Leif talks about
therapeutic touch, to add empathy and collaboration.
Dora Kunz.
If you look up Therapeutic Touch, it
was Dolores Krieger and Dora Kunz.
Dora Kunz was Harry Van Gelder's sister.
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So Harry set up sort of an adversarial
relationship with the medical community.
Dora went in the back door by training
nurses to do Therapeutic Touch.
And because the nurses were in the hospital,
Therapeutic Touch is widely accepted.
Right.
And there's actually data.
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On the energy spike, they put a therapeutic
touch practitioner in a squid, which is a
chamber that measures electromagnetic pulses.
And when the therapeutic touch practitioner went into, it's
in Jim Oshman's book, went into that therapeutic state,
there was a, an energy pulse that blew the, registers.
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on the instruments and they had to recalibrate
it and set the spectrum wider for the receivers.
Leaf, where do they get trained
on therapeutic touch these days?
Being that Dolores and Dora are both like gone,
there's got to be disciples of it, right?
Because yeah, it's widely accepted.
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I just know no offense to anybody, but I
just don't do Barbara Brenna's class, please.
I've had to fix too many people
that have been to that class.
So there's that.
But it's a matter of taking care of yourself,
remaining empathetic, and the challenge with
burnout is that you get, there is a tendency
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to just get immune, and I just can't go there.
I don't have the energy to do it.
And that's, a matter of your involvement.
And then a lot of times there's emotional
stuff that the patient's dealing with.
It's none of my business,
right?
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This is, good to talk about because we used to
talk about all the time doing like the physical
barrier when in the days of the graphite gloves,
because I have a couple of really old sides
that have the graphite gloves that I remember.
My little spray bottle, my gloves, doing all this stuff.
And there, but there was that barrier, right?
So you felt okay, I wasn't getting the current and
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until you couldn't stand the gloves anymore because
you had to get your hands on the person, the skin.
So the question that comes up as well, how do
you block yourself from getting the current and.
You
don't.
No.
During this two day practicum this weekend, there
were two or three that were really, sensitive to
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the current, and she gets us totally stoned working
on somebody, and she said, How do you do this?
And I said number one, you get used to working stoned.
Yeah.
And number two, you become less
drifty the more often you do it.
So after about the first three
months, it's not usually a problem.
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Totally.
Yeah.
You learn how to Like you said, work stone and
chances are, if you're feeling like that, patient
stone, so they don't notice that you're stone.
So you're both kind of stone together.
Everybody's just having a moment.
I
will
get really warm, especially as I am
doing something more and more profound.
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I start to get really, warm.
If I'm doing something that's
really profound is a good word.
Even if it's physical medicine, I'll get.
Tears in my eyes.
It's not like I'm crying.
It's just my eyes water.
Right.
And I get warm.
That's pretty cool.
Yeah.
And then you're right.
You just learn how to, work stone.
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So that's, like the, we talk about the short term
play and the long term play all the time with, rehab.
How do we, yes, you need to fix the ilia and yes,
you need to break down scar tissue, but the short
term play is getting that patient out of pain.
And then we can fix things.
It doesn't matter if you fix the nominate rotation, if
they came in a five out of five in pain and they left
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a five out of five in pain, They may not come back for
treatment number two, so we need to get the pain down.
That's the short term play.
So our short term play is, yeah, protecting
ourselves and in the room and everything else.
But the more you practice and
the more those patients find you.
And the emotional interaction part is
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usually more of the long term relationship.
So the first visit, I.
Have people create a timeline that
goes back pretty much to birth.
So my new patient visits are 2 to 3 hours and an
hour and a half to 2 hours of that is history.
And then I've gotten so that I can do a pretty
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much complete physical in 20 minutes and then.
The third hour is who has time to do that in the real world?
So you have them provide a timeline, look
over it quickly, and then get to presenting
complaint, what can I do for you today?
And because the practitioners have them
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twice a week for four to six weeks.
I have them for four days total.
So I got to get stuff done.
I'm doing in four days what you're doing in six weeks.
And so my approach to things at this
point is different than the real world.
So that person who is in pain also knows
that they're going to see you tomorrow.
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So you get that, but I think for the most
part, most of us don't practice in that model.
And we want to get somebody out of pain.
You have to you like the first visit, that's the goal.
Right.
And.
You treat the ureter and the psoas and run another
machine to fix the SI joint that's unstable.
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Use another machine to work manually on the one
that's not moving and then osteopathically or
chiropractically or manual therapy, whatever PTs do,
get the stuck one to move and you'll get the stuck
one to move by getting the muscles to let go and
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have a second machine that's repairing the loose one.
And it's 30 minutes.
It's 60 minutes.
The other, component to getting somebody out
of pain, despite the fact that you want them to
come back tomorrow, but if somebody is in pain,
is your treatment going to be as effective?
If their pain hasn't changed at the end
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of 30 to 60 minutes, you didn't do it.
Didn't get it done.
And in that case, I don't charge them for that visit.
I just
eat it.
It's sorry.
I'm just, and the receptionist says, what?
It's okay, fine.
I'll charge you 15 just so that
we pay for the receptionist time.
But I want to see you tomorrow.
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Right.
Cause.
I didn't get it.
We were talking a little bit today.
I gave my own example of I had some some shockwave done
on my foot for a little plantar fasciitis ankle thing.
And it was excruciating.
And I was thinking about how much everything in
every muscle in my leg was contracting, how I
was pulling away and trying to yank my foot away.
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And it was this big ha.
And I thought this is the exact opposite of what a
beneficial therapeutic treatment should feel like.
The fascia, there's no thixotropic changes
happening with biplanar fascia in that case.
Everything was the thixotropic, maybe going the other
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way, going to rock solid because it's get me out of here.
Get me out of here.
And my nervous system was hijacked and I started to sweat.
And I'm like, this is not in the
direction of healing in this moment.
Can you explain to me?
How shockwave has gotten so popular when it's that awful.
I, we were talking a little bit about shockwave
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and like the theraguns and all the different
percussive devices that are very popular right now.
And I don't know if it was over COVID
people weren't going to practitioners.
They were trying to treat themselves.
I've been treating a lot of injuries because
people are shockwaving and theragunning tissues and
inflaming them and making things worse or damaging.
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Tissues because they're not being
applied to the muscle belly.
They're more in the musculotendons junction.
Yeah.
And it's been, it's been, it's yeah,
I've been treating a lot of those.
So I don't know.
I don't know why shockwave is popular.
And some people like that more is more,
i, don't, John did you have, a question?
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I just had a comment that I just wanted to say.
Anybody hasn't come and spent five days.
I just spent five days with these
two ladies and it's amazing.
And what I wanted anybody out there in the
world to know is I picked up two new frequencies
that are in our book that I didn't know.
And Kim taught this.
And it was like putting in the good
before pulling out the pathology.
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And it's like a game changer.
So if you're not coming to these practicums,
and Kim shouldn't be calling it the sports
course, she should be calling it something else.
It's vitality rehab, but
vitality, you can just
do so much better.
And I just picked up 30 years of wisdom in just five days.
It was a bargain.
Oh, thanks.
Thank you.
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That's real world.
That's a huge compliment.
So yeah, and it's, and I will that thinking again
to the advance and listening to Roger Billiken, he
was talking to nothing about frequency or physical
medicine, he was talking more on a Prescriptive
homeopathy supplement regime about sometimes you have
to support somebody before you take out the bad stuff
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and I'm like that's what we have to do with fascia.
We have to give the fascia.
Thixotropic changes before we can pull the scar tissue
we have to give strength before we could pull up.
So that just changed my world so that is doing at
the same time, you can you do them at the same time.
I've tried, and sometimes it works, and sometimes it
doesn't, and sometimes you just need to give the good, and
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Did you learn anything new this week?
I learned so
many new things.
Tell me, I wanna, learn.
Yeah, so as far as frequency or application
or teaching or people or all of it.
Sure.
Two minutes.
I have to summarize.
It's true.
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It's we have two minutes.
Okay, go.
We learn from the, we learn from our patients all
the time, and we learn one of the things that I've
learned is as a practitioner with FSM is I can't
rush the process and I'm learning as an instructor.
I also can't.
Rush the process of teaching that I have to give options.
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I have to give options to my clients.
I have to give options to the students,
but there has to be structured.
Yeah.
There has to be clear instruction, right?
We're talking about that deep down.
I am a German shepherd.
I am a working dog.
I need a job.
I need a job to do.
Give me clear instruction and I will execute that job.
However, we need to have adaptability.
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Yeah, it's like educated intuition.
You have to start in the first grade.
Really you have to know arithmetic
before you can do algebra.
So I'm the first grade through about
first through eighth grade, maybe.
And so you have to have structure.
And then during the practicums, they learn
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flexibility, but you have to have a base to
start from, but don't get attached to the recipe.
Right.
Is that?
It's, that's totally it.
It's, having a hypothesis that you are not attached
to and that's my alarm going off that it's.
That
was the other thing that FSM
teaches you is flexibility of mind.
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Yeah.
You have to be flexible of mind.
Yeah.
Don't
get attached because some people
walk in the room as students.
You can beep away, but we're going to keep talking.
No, it's my
phone over there actually.
They walk in.
In their head attached to everything has an emotional basis.
Yeah.
It's no.
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Yes, but no.
It's yeah.
No, your phone is going to keep
beeping until we stop talking.
It just tells us that it's and your
computer's beeping and there we go.
And we just got it.
It's such a treat to get to do this in person.
The next time we'll be in Phoenix.
Yes,
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we'll be in Phoenix.
And then there's the bigger ballroom and the bigger
camera and the bigger questions and the bigger things.
Yeah.
So keep the cameras or keep the camp, keep the
cameras rolling, keep the questions coming.
I'm going to add it to my my legal pad
and maybe I'll bring it to Arizona.
So you guys can see after 150 episodes,
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just how just so much we haven't covered.
Yeah, we have so much fun.
Thanks for.
Thanks for tuning in or whatever your podcast, what
do you call it when somebody Listen, still podcast.
I don't know.
I don't know.
Cause it's
not a radio.
Thanks for
hanging out with us for an hour.
And dealing with the camera changes.
There we go.
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We got it
wired though.
Thank you.
Thank all of you.
And we'll see you all next week.
Do
good things.
Change lives.
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