January 22, 2025 • 49 mins
Hosts:
Carolyn McMakin, MA, DC
Kim Pittis, LCSP, (PHYS), MT
00:33 Diving into Health Courses and Concepts
01:14 Exploring Frequency Specific Microcurrent (FSM)
01:58 Case Studies and Practical Applications
07:28 Mastering Palpation Techniques
17:24 Constitutional Factors in Patient Assessment
25:07 Addressing Post Shingles Neuropathy with FSM
28:39 Managing Postherpetic Neuralgia
29:44 Understanding Lupus and the Vagus Nerve
32:57 Hiatal Hernia and Stomach Acid Issues
37:41 FSM Symposium Excitement
39:29 Addressing Osteoporosis and Tendon Health
41:44 Challenges with Nerve Ablation
46:03 Neuromyelitis Optica and Arthritis Insights
50:08 Symposium Logistics and Final Thoughts
In the world of medical innovations, Frequency Specific Microcurrent (FSM) stands out as a technique with profound implications for patient care. This recent podcast episode, hosted by Dr. Carol and Kim Pittis, delves deep into the practical applications and theories surrounding FSM, making it a valuable resource for medical practitioners aiming to integrate this technology into their practice.
Understanding the Health Pyramid with FSM
The podcast opens with Kim Pittis sharing insights from a recent course she attended, where the concept of a health pyramid was introduced. She highlights the importance of screenings, assessment, mobilization, movement, and stabilization, crucial parts of patient care in both biomechanics and the biotensegrity model. FSM, however, appears to transcend traditional modalities by offering versatile treatment options that aren't confined to specific conditions.
Exploring FSM Frequencies
One of the key takeaways from Dr. Carol and Kim's discussion is their exploration of FSM frequencies, specifically the use of 124 – a frequency often used for healing scar tissue. Dr. Carol notes that while dissolving scar tissue, practitioners must ensure that stabilizers are ready to replace it for effective healing, emphasizing cautious application.
Palpation Techniques and Patient Assessment
The podcast segment on mastering palpation techniques is particularly insightful for practitioners. Dr. Carol shares her unique approach to palpation, which involves 'seeing' with your fingers, a skill likened to a masterclass in perception. This technique allows practitioners to accurately assess and address scarring and other tissue abnormalities in patients, enhancing diagnostic precision.
Addressing Complex Conditions
The hosts also navigate through complex conditions such as post-shingles neuropathy and lupus, offering invaluable insights into using FSM for managing these challenges. Dr. Carol explains her protocols for addressing nerve damage post-shingles, which often involves treating the damaged nerve to restore function and alleviate pain. For lupus, they emphasize the role of the vagus nerve and the importance of identifying triggers and stressors that exacerbate the condition.
The Role of FSM in Osteoporosis and Tendon Health
For practitioners dealing with osteoporosis, Kim highlights the importance of mechanical force and tensile pull on bones to strengthen them. She advocates for the use of FSM to aid in muscle recovery post-exercise, promoting sustained physical activity as a preventive measure against bone density loss.
Advances in Medical Practice with FSM
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Do you have a list?
Do you have a starting point?
Well, I always have alist and a starting point.
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Go for it.
The point is that we don't always get tothe list or the starting point because you
always have some extraordinary event orstory that you just have to tell us about.
So I am yet again taking anothercourse and I love learning.
I wish I could be justa professional student.
But there is a part in the coursethat they were talking about this
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health pyramid that we have to follow.
And I was thinking a lot about howto do screenings and assessment and
mobilization and movement and stabilizer.
And it makes a lot of sensein the biomechanics world.
And even in the biotensegrity world,which doesn't follow a levers and
fulcrum type of model and they weretalking about different physical
therapy modalities work for this andnot for that and this and not for that.
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And I had to pause
the course so many times becausewe don't have that with FSM, where
it works for this and not for that.
There was a question that we had, and somaybe I'll just kind of start with that
because we always talk about our favoritefrequencies and cautionary tales and there
was an email, and maybe we talked about itlast week, about a case where 1 24 could.
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Is there ever a modelwhere you couldn't use 124?
I couldn't think of one.
No, and I wouldn't try.
I've been staying up at nightthinking, why would I ever?
Not want to use it.
Scarring?
Absolutely.
There are cases where we don't wantto dissolve scar tissue too soon, when
we're, remodeling, or we have to justbe careful that when we're dissolving
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scar tissue that there is strength andstabilizers ready to come online to create
the stability that, scarring might have.
But
the surprising thing to me is So youtake out scarring in the ureter, in
the kidney, sclerosis in the adipose,and then scarring down by the bladder
to get somebody's psoas loose.
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I did this yesterday.
But I've had patients wherethe psoas, I had a patient with
a 60 degree lumbar scoliosis.
She's had it for years.
She's in her 60s.
They're not going to fuse it.
Done deal.
So I did the scarring in the ureter.
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But when you look at a 60 degree lumbar,
I'm trying to just imagine thatright now, actually, because,
yeah, and her back pain is right atwhere it switches to the thoracic curve
and
it's right at 3.
So I did this scar tissue inthe ureter, the kidney and the.
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Fat pad, but then I had to do 1 24 and77 to get rid of her back pain, right?
So the SOAs refers pain to the back.
That took care of one piece of the pain.
But there was another part of the painthat was due to the fact that when
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the SOAs has to stretch so far andundergo so much biomechanical insanity
and the connective tissue slips.
If you look at how the psoas connectsto the vertebra, I had to run 124 and
77 torn or broken in the 77 attachmentof the psoas to get her back pain down.
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Now that's not going to doanything to change the scoliosis
because now it's, it's hard.
Yeah.
But it makes her more comfortableand she's an FSM practitioner.
So I wrote down what todo for her back pain.
Facets, yes.
And there, there's a, I have in thecore acute facets and, and on the
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custom care subacute and then chronic.
Well, I have to change, Inever run the chronic one.
But when somebody has facets that havebeen so traumatized and damaged, you
have to think of 54 and the cartilage.
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The cartilage is necrotic,doesn't get blood supply.
So, if it's necrotic because it doesn'tget blood supply, then what do you treat?
What's below the cartilage inthe bone that gives oxygen and
nutrients to the cartilage?
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The capillaries.
They're not
arteries.
They're little teeny things.
So you run maybe degenerationor scarring in the capillaries,
vitality in the capillaries,
one in
the capillaries, right?
And is
it going to work?
Everything we do is, Idon't know, let's try it.
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See it works.
Okay, When I'm thinking aboutsomething that's scarred, right?
Cuz right away you will get tothat point very early on in your
screening or your assessment oryour hypothesis Something's tight.
It's not moving, right?
You do your objective findings withyour active passive and resisted
range of motion Then you use thereal measures which are your hands.
You can feel something is scarred.
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Yes, I'm going to go to scarring.
I'm going to go to 1391, whatever,but right away, I almost back it up.
I'll do it for a few minutes, feelit soft, and then you think it didn't
become scarred from outer space.
How did it get scarred?
For something to scar, somethingprobably tore, and if it tore,
there was probably bleeding.
So, and if there was bleeding and therewas tearing, there might have been trauma.
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So you start kind of reverse engineeringthe story and So, you know, you
running scarring and then he's like,well, I had to run torn and broken.
I mean, we got to that,that same conclusion very
organically in different ways.
You can see it.
Your eyes go into that lordotic curve.
You see what is attaching.
You see the.
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Stress that it's under.
So when, I know we're supposed tosay 124 is repair and heal, but
some, I mean, I go to torn and brokenbecause like tearing isn't, isn't
a bad word in the sports world.
We're micro tearing all thetime when we're getting strong.
That's how hypertrophy is formulated.
Those myofibrils tear and they repair.
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So maybe we call it tornand broken, tear and repair.
I don't know.
I always think of it as torn and broken.
I only call it repair because of you.
So it's like in deference to Kim,it's repair and heal, but I'm running
this because it was torn and broken.
Exactly.
So again, but those are the phrases thatyour inside voice says, and then depending
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on the room that you're in, maybe you'renot going to say, I'm going to put
torn and broken on your custom care.
You're going to say, This is a protocolfor repairing and healing, right?
Even, even athletes like that.
Oh, this is my recovery protocol.
This is my repair protocol.
So the story, yeah,
you, you used a phrase that remindsme people have, I, I mentioned
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doing palpation masterclass.
Where you, the phrase you used thatreminded me that we've not scheduled
it, and we haven't scheduled itbecause I don't know how to teach
it, except the way I learned it,which started when I was about 12
is seeing inside with your fingers.
How do you see?
That's a master palpation class.
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Mm-hmm
. How do you feel it?
I started when I was 12 by takinga deck of cards and picking a
two an eight and a face card.
A jack or king, right?
So they look different.
And then I took those three cardsand I turned 'em upside down.
And I looked at them and I said,I want to see the two and you
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look at the three cards and turnthat one over and it's the two.
Okay.
Whatever that felt like when,I mean, I couldn't see the two.
I just knew it was the two.
Right.
And then, okay.
I want to see.
Then I moved them around so Icouldn't tell where they were.
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And I said, I want to see the jack.
So that's going to be a really busy.
And then.
I turned over the two again.
No, I want to see the jack.
Moved them around.
I did this for weeks on end untilI was right 90 percent of the time.
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Nine times out of ten.
So it was kind of like teachingyourself to hallucinate.
And that's master palpation.
You feel, so I have a lady thathad this very rare liposarcoma
that was found incidentally, nopain, wrapped around her kidney.
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The thing was 12 centimeters.
It was huge.
So they took out her right kidney,and then they did radiation to make
sure the cancer didn't go anyplace.
And she's been comingto me for scar tissue.
And she said, my kidney thatisn't there still hurts.
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So I did scarring in this ureter.
They left her ureter,just took the kidney.
I treated the kidney thatwasn't there for trauma.
And then I felt her abdomen.
And it's what you said, you feelinside and sort of hallucinate.
And she said, oh, that's tender.
Well, it was clear on theother side of her belly
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and
over the small intestine.
The only thing that can generatepain in the abdomen is the vagus.
It's a, it's a nociceptor.
So I ran radiation and scarring in thevagus and her small bowel got all squishy
and the tender spots when it's, it was,
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yeah.
And I'm thinking different ways ofgetting to where you were with the Vegas.
I mean, it treats theVegas and so many people.
And I mean, we talk about just runninglike vitality in the Vegas or increasing
bagel tone, supporting the Vegas.
But again, like, feel free to think about.
What happened to the Vegas?
Or do you know what I mean?
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It's not just flicking on aswitch and saying, okay, work.
So
well, I'm thinking of the, we think ofthe Vegas so much in terms of improving
digestion, quieting blood sugar.
Suppressing the immune system,making your esophagus work,
making your vocal cords work.
It's, it's another step orit's a factoid where the vagus
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is the pain, the pain nerve.
In the viscera, if you palpatesomebody's small bowel or large bowel
and it hurts, well, if it hurts, it'seither diverticulitis or scarring in
the vagus, depending on what happenedto their belly, and it's, yeah.
When, when we're palpating, evenSo your card, your card exercise
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that you would do when we were incollege, we had to, and this is
dating myself, take the yellow pages.
And so yes, coins and yes,something called the yellow pages.
So kids out there that are listeningbefore Google, we had a giant
yellow book that was delivered toour houses once a year, and it was
thick and we would put a penny.
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On one of the pages, and then thepages were very thin, so you put
one page on top, palpate the penny.
Another page on top, palpate the penny.
So it's like the princess and the pea.
Towards the end of the program, Icould have the entire book and tell
you within millimeters where thatpenny was, because you can sense, and
your awareness is In the phone book,
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you can feel where the edges are.
We did it in chiropracticcollege had to do a human hair,
right?
So you take a human hair.
And once again, it was the phonebook, which is like tissue paper.
These days, you take a piece of typingpaper, a number 10 paper, you know,
regular copy paper, and you put a humanhair under it, one piece of paper.
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And you get to a placewhere the paper just feels.
Different.
Yes.
You, you come to this little ridge andthen you go over the bump and then,
Oh, that must be where the hair is.
And then you put two pieces ofpaper and then three and then 10 and
that's how you train palpation.
And using that hallucinogenicmind of yours to put your
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eyeballs on the other end.
And the other thing we talk abouta lot when we're teaching is.
We have these great palpatory skillsnow, and we're able to palpate something
that's not as healthy as it should be,or stuck to the neighbor as it should
not be, and what do you do before FSM?
You palpate it, and then you tryto murder it with your hands.
You squish it to death.
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You, you press, and you poke, andyou prod, and you stretch, and you,
that's all you could do, right?
Or needle it, or whateveryou're going to do.
So I think the hardest shift thatwe make as practitioners is once you
feel it, don't squish it to death.
Back off.
Right.
It's just trusting becauseyou're still, it's not just
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about sensory and then motor.
It's still sensory, like that tissueis still telling you something.
And if you are forcing itwith your own information, you
can't feel how it's changing.
And so even before FSM, I had a reallyhard time with people that would squish
trigger points with their elbows.
The phrase I use in my head is whenyou get, let's say, somebody has
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adhesions from a gallbladder surgery.
Well, what are the adhesions in?
They're in the bile duct,the head of the pancreas.
The bottom of the liver and, you know,there, so you get to where the patient
flinches or the muscles bunch upbecause now you found the tender spot.
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The phrase in my headis you ask permission.
You get to the edge whereit splints and then you back
off to 1 millimeter back off.
And then as you approach it.
It's like approaching, I'm intohorses, it's approaching a horse
that might bolt and run away.
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And you've got your hand out, and you lethim sniff it, and then you very gently
come up and pet his chin or his nose.
Right?
Same thing with the dog.
Same thing with the bile duct.
Oh, that's tender.
Okay, wait, I'm not going to hurt you.
Right.
And then you switch toscarring in the bile duct.
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And it'll give you a millimeter or twoand as it gives you that millimeter,
you just wait and then gently pullit away from whatever it's stuck to.
Right.
That's the advantage we have.
The advantage is when you move thatslow and you are respectful of the
tissue is you are anticipating thetissue is going to tell you something.
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The tissue is going to say.
This feels great, keep doing that,
or
it will start to firm up, andthat's when you know, okay, time
to move on to something else.
Because it's not a recipe, and Iknow that's the hardest part for
people who just start learning this.
So do I run 13 on A and 77 on B for aminute, or two minutes, till it's done?
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That is the hard part, but thatis the beautiful part of it.
I can give them a recipe to start, like,two minutes a piece, unless it's not.
It's funny, but it's sofrustrating at the same time.
I know, and like I said to practitionersstarting, I only started off with a
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custom care, and it was great untilit wasn't, because I could just
palpate and work with my hands and Icould feel things and I would look at
the machine and say, Oh, it's 1377.
Okay.
And then it would change.
I'd be like, no, no, no, no, no.
It's, it's still smushing.
Don't change.
And that's, that's whenit's time for precision care
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because you go crazy otherwise.
But that's that learning curve is justtaking it all in and not forcing your
opinion, not forcing your hypothesis.
Just.
Listening.
Yes.
Yeah.
My dad used to always say, you have twoears and one mouth for a reason, right?
But in my head now I'm like, I havetwo ears and two hands, so what are
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you going to say about that now?
It's a smarty pants and me speaking ofsmarty pants, we have a couple of very
good questions that are coming up already.
Susanna.
Go ahead.
Constitutional factorsand patient assessment.
I do not recall this being discussed.
Have you moved away from theseor are these not as productive
as other frequency pairs?
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In the advanced, I talk about I give theindividual constitutional factors and
Roger Billika has There's a one sheetwhere he has the constitutional factor,
the questions that go with it, and thesymptoms that go with that particular one.
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On the summary sheet, on theadvanced laminate, I've got a
very brief this frequency, thatfrequency goes with these symptoms.
And then on the slides, there's probablyfour or five slides for each, each one.
The reason that we don't talkabout them in the core is
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there's so much in the core.
And 6.
8 and 38 back in 1997, that thehealing group that knew Harry.
And have this conceptual frameworkfor the homeopathy involved
in the constitutional factors.
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They were concerned that likehomeopathy, if you run a frequency
that is for a constitutional factorthat is present, but not active.
If you have the concept that thesefrequencies change genetic expression.
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And that the constitutional factors.
As the homeopaths caused the, calledthem in the 1800s and early 1900s.
They call them constitutional factors.
In our world, we call themgenetic factors or SNPs.
Running groups that predisposepeople to particular illnesses.
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So you have families where nobody isschizophrenic, bipolar, or autistic, but
they have psoriasis, rosacea, acne eczema,it all, everything comes out in their
skin, and their digestive system is funky.
That's a different set of SNPs that createthat predisposition in that patient.
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Well, the concern was that ifyou run the frequency for that
constitutional factor, it's presentbut not active, you can turn it on.
So the healing group, back then,before I even had the idea that what we
were doing was changing cell membranereceptors and changing genetics.
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The healing group had that concern.
So we run 38.
It took me 5 years of working8 hours a day with patients
before I got the courage.
To use the specific constitutionalfactors, the only thing is
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they work faster than 6.
38. You can run an hourand it can't hurt anybody.
The constitutional factor.
You have to be able to feel or sense.
What's going smush or warmth or dwarfor whatever indicator you use, you have
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to feel when it's done and it has tobe done with a precision care because
some patients it runs 30 seconds.
Some patients, the longestI've ever run it is 12 minutes
and then I just got nervous.
And so that's, it's agood question, Suzanne.
And there are times whenit's really helpful.
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There's something, there'ssomething else I wanted to mention.
I have a patient that camein this week that had a head
injury two or three years ago.
And after that, he has pituitaryproblems, central signaling hormone
problems, testosterone deficiencyproblems, depression, apathy.
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All of these things.
And he, he, his mother sent him.
That's a thing.
He's in his 20s.
And he asked me, his mom wantshim to get a custom care.
And he asked me, is FSM going to help me?
Now I've seen him two or three times.
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No major improvement.
And I said, do you know whatyour vitamin D levels are?
No, and He hasn't done.
Oh, I have trouble withdigestion and constipation.
Okay.
Are you doing this thisand this for constipation?
No, I do that that and that it'slike that that and that don't work
as well as this this and this so trythis Well, he hasn't done anything I
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suggested And then I asked him, hasanybody tested your vitamin D levels?
No.
Okay.
You have problems withdepression and inflammation.
And if your vitamin D levelsare 12, there is no thing that
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FSM can do to overcome that.
So the stable state includes,what are your vitamin D levels?
Can you methylate folate?
Can you methylate B12?
Do you have a vestibular injury?
That's the other thing, Suzanne, is youcan correct constitutional factors, and
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if their vitamin D levels are eight.
You're not going to get anyplace with whatever they have.
Right.
I, at the advance, when you go intothe specifics of the different,
and I never remember them I foundthat section to always be a little
bit overwhelming and confusing.
I always find that There's so manyoverlaps between all of them as
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well, so not everybody fits intothis wonderful little constitutional
box that you're like, oh, it'sthis, there's a ton of overlap.
People intermarry, so you havetwo different constitutional
types in the same person.
Right.
But the set of symptoms that you'retrying to address would belong more to
one constitutional type than the other.
And then I had to run bothconstitutional types or just run 6.
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Right, I've always just had 6.
8 and 38 in my mind, and it seems to dowhat I need it to do and I'm happy with
that, and like I said, it's also a verygrounding frequency, so for the people
that get really stoned after treatment,and they don't want to feel stoned if they
have a long drive ahead of them, or theyhave to get on an important Zoom call,
I mean, everybody loves to feel kind ofblissfully floaty when they leave, but
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some people, especially the type A peoplethat have a hard time Relaxing or giving
trust when they do feel a bit floaty,they want to be able to not feel floaty
and be in control
and be back in control.
So 6.
38 I found to be an extremely like backin your body, grounding, confident.
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Wake up.
Wake up, but not like, not anxiouscrazy wake up, but just, okay.
It's very interesting.
Of all frequencies that George has comeup with that one and shingles are the, the
ones that have just been the most amazing.
And.
The basal ganglia at 988.
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Yeah, well, that's a very organictransition to the next question is can
post shingles neuropathy benefit from FSM?
Oh, duh.
Yeah, sorry.
Yes it's in the core.
You run the frequencies brieflyfor the three shingles frequencies.
And then the challenge with postherpetic neuralgia is which nerve is it?
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So, post traumatic neuralgia incranial nerves, you can't get
at the nerve root in general.
It's facial nerve.
Or the trigeminal nerve andthe origin of the cell body for
those nerves is in the pons.
So it's taken me quite a while tofigure out that I need to run 160
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and 81 in the pons to get the problemwith post traumatic neuralgia is
the virus destroys the nerve sheath.
It sort of leave bits of scar tissue andholes and the nerve doesn't work right.
So the cranial nerves are challenging.
The dermatomal nerves are easier.
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You set up the contact where thenerve comes out and it can be
any nerve route from C2 to S2
where the nerve comes out towhere the nerve ends and you treat
it for inflammation, increasedsecretions and scarring, necrosis.
Increase secretions andpolarize the heck out of it.
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I'll turn the current up.
And what you're doing is if you think ofthe current making those voltage gated
ion channels in the nerve membrane,making, forcing them to flip over just.
Knocking into them.
So I make the wave slope sharp, and it'stincture of time sometimes, and then
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the nerve, because it's been inflamed,gets scarred to the surrounding tissue.
So some 80%, supposedly, of shinglesis in the thoracic nerve roots.
While thoracic nerveroots run in between ribs.
That means that nerve gets adhered orscarred to the periosteum, the connective
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tissue, the muscle belly, which is 62.
So you have getting rid of the scartissue between the nerve and its
surrounding tissue as part of the repair.
Because otherwise, every timethe patient moves, the nerve
gets a nerve traction injury.
Right.
So, post traumatic neuralgiais not a slam dunk.
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It's more difficult thelonger they've had it.
It is more difficult the older the patientis, so you have to create a stable state
with essential fatty acids, and I, if thepatient is otherwise tolerant of it, I
would use heparazine A to give them enoughacetylcholine to make the thing work, and
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essential fatty acids, like, lots of them.
So.
That's yes.
The answer is yes, Dana.
Yes, but it's not.
It can be challenging and youhave to really be aware of in the
beginning, I have found that howlong they're going, how many days
they respond and then try to get it.
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Can be pretty predictablein the beginning.
So if they have three days pain free,make sure you're seeing them every two
days and then try to be then slowly spaceit out, because it's like anything else.
Once the pain is back, it'sback and they mind it more.
We talk about that all the time.
The pain hasn't gotten worse, butbecause they've had a break of
the pain when it does come back.
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It's more irritating.
And if the nerve has been completelydestroyed, like if you can't get it turned
around, it's like phantom limb pain.
So it's 40 and 89, but you have to tryand fix the nerve first before you give
up and see if 40 and 89 is going to work.
Right.
It's, we have the most interestingdiscussions because I know it's it.
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Who else, who else, whereelse do you have these?
Yes.
But we talk about shingles alot with active cases, but the
postherpetic neuralgia is alsosomething that we see quite often.
Well, and the other thing is thatonce a patient has had shingles
for two to three weeks, you'redealing with postherpetic neuralgia.
So, Brodome is easy.
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The first week of activeshingles is pretty easy.
After that, you're inbetween active shingles.
They have the relish.
And the nerve can be pretty damaged.
It's a thing.
Right.
So, and lupus.
Yeah, we're going from one challenging
case to another.
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Both from Dana.
I'd be really interested to see what yourlast two weeks of practice have been like.
There's a big one thatstands out for me with lupus.
Go ahead.
Getting the vagus under controlbecause when the vagus with
any kind of autoimmune, we knowthat affects the vagus nerve.
So getting the vagus undercontrol and supported.
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Lupus is really what they used to say waslike the disease of a thousand faces or
something, because it literally is this,so it depends entirely on presentation,
but doesn't matter where in thepresentation and if it's a predisposition
to lupus or full out lupus, the vagusnerve is going to be the, the cornerstone,
the keystone, I think, of the treatment.
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And for me, the startingplace is what turned it off.
What happened before yourfirst symptoms started?
Right.
Nothing.
It's never nothing.
Yeah.
Okay.
You started getting thesesymptoms in February.
What happened in January?
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Well, I went skiing.
Okay.
Did you fall?
Oh, yeah, I ended up in the first aidtent and broke my ankle and broke my
leg or sprained my ankle or hit myhead or, right, the vagus is turned
down by infection, stress, and trauma.
So that's what you're looking for,infection, and that counts vaccines.
(31:15):
I'm not anti vaccine, but youhave to understand that vaccines
are artificial infections.
That's their job.
So, find out what turned it off, takecare of the cause in the process of
trying to turn the vagus back on.
Right.
You turn the vagus on and then youstill have to deal with the organs
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that are affected by the lupus.
Where's the inflammation hit?
Right.
You have symptoms likepsoriasis, it hits the skin.
Well, okay, yes, I can treat theskin, but unless I get the vagus
to work, it's not going to work.
Yeah.
Unless you can get the patient to stopeating gluten and milk and the things that
I was just going to say, thenyou're going to be also chasing a
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host of other, like, inflammatorycatalysts, such as dairy and gluten.
And sometimes the stress or the triggerthat started it, whether it's an emotional
stress, divorce empty nest syndrome,there's all these papers that are
coming up right now with perimenopausalwomen and autoimmune diseases.
And it doesn't take, you know,Sherlock Holmes to connect a
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lot of these stressors together.
Can we bring kids back from collegeso their mom isn't sad anymore?
No.
But we can help guide them to otherthings to help support that stable state.
So, it's not easy, it's like yousaid, it's not a slam dunk, but
there's so many factors that you justhave to be mindful of, of asking.
It's not your job to fix itall, but be mindful of it.
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But again, going back to, ifanything else, just Help that little
Vegas to support that little guy.
Little longest nerve in the body.
So beautiful.
Like I said, my next tattoois going to be the Vegas nerve
because it's just beautiful.
Anyways, Nina has a question.
39 and 32 is listed as HCL in the stomach.
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Is this increasing ordecreasing stomach acid?
I think of 39 as sublux and would loveto use this pair for a hiatal hernia.
Is there anything else touse for a hiatal hernia?
I have the 39 and 32 must beon the West Indies as a pair.
I've never used it.
I'm just going to look it
up.
Yeah.
Hiatal hernias are places where thestomach has been pulled above the,
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the lower esophageal sphincter andthere's a mechanical part of that.
Chiropractors Historically havea fit, which is you get up in the
morning on an empty stomach and youdrink a big glass of water, which
weighs, you know, about a pound.
And then you just stand up onyour toes and drop on your heels
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and the weight in your stomach.
Supposedly pull your empty stomachdown below that is still center.
And then you treat the Vegas, right?
Because the Vegas is in charge of.
Making the loweresophageal sphincter work.
Stomach acid is not the problem.
The fact that the secretory, asecretorypart of the stomach is above that lower
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esophageal sphincter, that is the problem.
And.
The medical profession, their only wayof fixing the discomfort associated
with that is to stop the stomach fromproducing acid, which creates a host of
pathologies that I, there's no time tolist them, just read the package insert.
(34:40):
And as far as I'm concerned, the, theside effects from proton pump, the
long term side effects from long termuse of proton pump inhibitors or acid
blockers are more dangerous than a hiatalhernia or almost anything that they do.
And these medications were neverstudied for use beyond two weeks.
(35:01):
Like
when you look at
the original papers that got themapproved, they were studied for two weeks.
Four weeks.
There are people thathave been on them for 17.
I was just
gonna say, who has justbeen on a PPI for two weeks?
Nobody.
No, you're on them
forever.
Yeah.
And then, then when the patent ranout, they made them over the counter.
So people just, oh, I have acid reflux,or I have an absent stomach, so I'm
(35:25):
gonna just chomp on Pepcid or whatever.
That whole list of
Yeah,
whole pill.
And it's just.
When you read the long termside effects, it's just scary.
Right.
So, I'd rather not.
Yeah, no, I, because there arepeople who have low stomach acid
too, on the flip side, right?
And they have to take digestiveenzymes and whatever else.
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I wouldn't think of evertreating it with FSM or
Well, you get the vagus to workand the stomach will secrete.
And then you can run 81 in thestomach if you really want to.
Oh the other comment on that said the HCLis a different issue of a client who has
been told by functional nutritionist thatshe is not producing enough stomach acid.
She has a supplement but wantsto improve it on its own.
So that would be Vegas.
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It's a Vegas.
I mean, there may be, I don't know enoughabout the biochemistry of the stomach.
So is there, I mean, the stomachhas to build hydrochloric
acid out of something, right?
So.
You'd have to do a deep dive.
Yeah, I take betaine.
It's part of my digestive enzymes,but if you're trying to do it without
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taking betaine as part of yourdigestive enzymes, I do a deep dive
on how the glands in the stomach,what do they make stomach acid out of?
How does that biochemistry work?
And can you give it not the end product,which is betaine but give it the
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precursors that it builds betaine out of.
right?
And get the vagus to work.
The vagus is in charge of makingthe stomach, make stomach acid.
That's, this is where it'sokay to go right to the top.
Yeah.
Get the vagus to work first.
And then if that doesn't work, you canguess that I'm going to go grab Guyton
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and find out, or even a deeper dive.
And see if I can findout what's the precursor.
Yeah.
That's a thought.
It's like the Roger Bellicaslides on neurotransmitters.
Oh.
Who knew that you had tohave copper to make dopamine?
Who knew that?
I did.
Right?
But that's why we have Roger.
(37:40):
Yeah.
And Roger's coming back this year.
And I think he's doing Lyme.
Lyme.
I think he's doing Lyme.
This year is gonna be magic.
I'm just so excited.
I feel like I already have to just dothis and make some space in my brain
for the star studded cast that we have.
I'm so excited.
I mean, they're all exciting,but Eduardo and the Dura.
(38:04):
Yeah.
Buckle up, folks.
He's not messing around.
He's sending me videos like weekly ofpatients where he takes a patient that
cannot bend and has this, that, andthe other thing and he runs scarring
in the dura on a 79 year old manwho's just stiff as a board and has
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headaches and cognitive impairmentand blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
And gets his dura to work andthen does cranial stuff while he's
treating scarring in the dura.
And this guy, it, you know, so exciting.
And when, when you can, those videos,I mean, and the case reports are
just so fascinating because a theoryis a theory and then that's great.
(38:46):
But when you can see these types ofcases in action and Eduardo is so
great and his Instagram is so greatto see all the things that he does
and he's a, he's a good speaker.
So that's very exciting.
And Diana Cross.
Oh, Diana Cross is coming back and I have,she's going back to how does 124 work.
I love that she's been dealing with that.
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This will be her thirdsymposium lecture on 124.
So she, she never quits.
She just keeps divingand diving and diving.
And I have no idea what ourslides are going to look like.
I'll be lucky if I getthem the day before.
So it'll be fine.
Yeah, we just have to showup and get a front row seat.
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That's all.
That's it.
Yeah.
There's a couple more little things herewith Dana with the HCL, I think, but
osteoporosis and FSM,
calcium hydroxyapatite,vitamin D hormones.
Unless the patient has hada hormone related cancer.
Estrogen is a thing, estrogen andvitamin D calcium, hydroxyapatite.
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And it's actually horsetail, theherb, it's selenium, I think,
is what they use for fractures.
To repair fractures pH balance,I don't know anything about.
So there's that.
What I would like to add again,we're going to circumvent the
perimenopausal menopausal women groupright now, but in those early stages
or osteoporotic prone demographic, wewant to have tensile pull on the bone.
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We need tendon under.
load to keep those bones strong.
That's the mechanical force.
So we have our stable statewith our supplements, but we
need the tendons under stress.
And for women who maybe have neverweight trained or who are afraid of
weight training, or do not like beingsore after weight training, which if
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you're doing those heavy loads, thoseeccentric loads that are pulling on
the tendon that will make the bonesstrong, you're going to be sore.
So FSM can be great in that recovery,the DOMS protocol workout recovery.
There we go with 124.
It's been the 124 day using 124on the tendon and the periosteum
to help with the soreness.
Cause the last thing wewant is people to quit.
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Working out or quit moving.
We want to make sure those bones are
was just weight bearingjust walking, you know,
or the latest research is showingthe eccentric load on the tendon
is what interesting is increasing.
I rely on you to do thehomework that I don't have a
nerd when it comes to that data.
So, yes,
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nerds of the world unite.
How do you help someone withbase base avertable ablation.
Geez.
Fusion hardware removed inorder to do the ablation.
Of course the pain got worse afterthe surgery instead of better.
Can't run 40 becauseit increases the pain?
Yeah, okay, so here's the thing.
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I'm not sure what a basalvertebral ablation is.
They usually do medial branch.
block medial branch ablationsat the facet levels.
And the challenge is, try 40 and 89,that it's like having phantom limb pain.
When you cut a nerve, it's like trimminga rosebush and you'd cut one and three
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go back and they're well pissed off.
They, they're more irritable.
More pain sensitive when they grow backand then you can ablate them a second
time and Then you have even less time I'm
the point where says 124 on a39 59 on B increases the pain.
(42:25):
I I want
Right.
So, I mean I I would I always startwith the periosteum because that's
the more innervated painful partof the bone I wonder if that also
increased the pain, but that's
81 and 396 is It's scarring in the nerve.
But try 40 and 89.
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It's people that have had ablations.
My challenge, the challenge I have withthat, because I have a couple of patients
that have recently had ablations, andthey don't, they don't mourn them.
That it's temporary.
They get 12 months, 10 to 12 monthsout of the first one, 6 months out
of the second one, 3 to 4 months outof the third one, and then they have
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to put in a spinal cord stimulant.
That's how it works.
And they don't, I wouldn't mind,but informed consent was a thing.
Back when I was a pharmaceutical salesman,you had to have informed consent.
They don't warn people andpeople don't look it up.
It'll be there.
Yeah,
so
that's interesting.
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Silica, not selenium.
Okay, that you're right.
It's silica.
That's it.
Silica.
Horsetail.
That's what I took.
It was silica, not selenium.
You're right.
It was silica.
When I broke my shoulder into sixpieces, the veterinarian told me to
take horsetail because it has silicain it and it helps bone healing.
So if you, I don't know if There'sany literature about silica being
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helpful in osteoporosis, but theinside of a bone is a special kind
of collagen, so that might work.
Nina had mentioned the spinalcord stem unit also increased pain
after a shorter period of time.
This is why we don't keepadult beverages in the clinic.
I just, there's no, and we've had twoPM& R, physical medicine and rehab
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docs, and they're the ones that do RF,or radiofrequency ablation of nerves,
and these, Two came one came to a coreone year in Arizona, and the next one
came to a core in Arizona the nextyear, and it was wonderful because I
looked at them and I said, does RFNGa joint, a medial branch ever work?
(44:43):
And they both said no.
And how often is it done?
Oh, it's all the time.
It's what they do for low backpain for facet generated pain.
The only thing they have to do is they'lldo a medial branch block as a test.
If it works, the next thing theydo is to RF the joint to RF the
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medial branch, and then they never.
Tell the patient what the sequelaeis, and that's what I mind.
So if the patient knew aheadof time, Okay, here's the plan.
It's going to last 12 months, 6 months,3 months, spinal cord stimulant.
Do you want a spinal cordstimulant in three years?
(45:28):
Of course not.
Okay, then we won't do this.
Well, what do I do about my back pain?
You can use topicalketoprofen and lidocaine.
You can do these exercises.
They have such a limited toolbox.
God love them.
I think they're doing what theydo because that's all they can do.
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Just believe in informed consent.
That's, there's that.
Yes.
A couple more questionsand we got to wrap it up.
Anything I can do within my scope tohelp a client with neuromyelitis optica.
Immune system attacks the nervesheath of the optic nerve.
Doesn't have it in her spine yet.
Causes unknown.
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Carrie, I think you're a chiropractor.
I think Carrie's a chiropractor.
I think.
Treat the vagus, treat 40 and 90 becausethe optic nerve is part of the forebrain.
I don't think we have afrequency for the optic nerve.
You want to shut the immune system down,take her off wheat, corn, milk, eggs,
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put her on an anti inflammatory diet.
Neuromyelitis, do they mean MS?
Oh, you're a massage therapist.
Oh my goodness.
Lori Chaykin has passed away, andwe actually don't have anybody that
has stepped up to take her place.
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As a massage therapist pretend thatyou're treating her neck and run
the Vegas and suggest that an antiinflammatory diet wouldn't hurt if you
are allowed to do that in your stateor if you have a good relationship with
a patient so you can get away with it.
Yeah, that's a tough one.
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Yuck.
And that arthritis success story.
You can't put tissue back that'snot there, and arthritis is,
Not the problem.
Pain is the problem.
So you have people with terrible lookingjoints, awful arthritis, and no pain,
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and they come in with their x rays andyou go, oh my god, how are you walking?
And then you have somebody elsethat comes in, with a little bit
of bone spurs and a little bit ofthis and they're in terrible pain.
And the medical literature says thatthe difference is, the journal Spine
in particular, says the differenceis what they use for repair.
(48:11):
Right.
They repair it with inflammatory tissue.
They have pain.
With even mild arthritis, and ifthey are anti inflammatory just
constitutionally, they can methylatefolate, they can methylate B12, they
have all these, you know, the vitaminD levels are 60, and so their anti
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inflammatory status is really strong,and arthritis is just wear and tear,
right?
It goes back to that 124.
The other side note, and I'vementioned him on, I think it was
just last week's podcast, Howard Luxon Instagram, or just Google him.
He's an orthopedist that has he reallydoes a lot with arthritis, and he has
a lot of the kind of latest data onwhat's helpful and what's not helpful.
(48:59):
So a lot of the scopes and proceduresto quote unquote clean up the joint no.
So Howard Lux, I just pulled it up again.
H J Lux, that's L U K S. And then thenumber one is his Instagram handle.
But Howard Lux to Google him, he'sgot some great, just some great
literature on arthritis holisticarthritis treatment which is.
And then we can also turn off theinflammation in the joint directly.
(49:23):
Yeah.
Before and the cartilage,the periosteum 40.
Inflammation in the bone 59 and 39and turn on the Vegas and make sure
they have enough vitamin D. It's like,if your vitamin D levels are between
60 and 80, the incidence of heartdisease and cancer goes down by 50%.
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That's kind of cool.
And that's my alarm.
There you go.
Basal ganglia.
988 is a basal ganglia, and it's the samenumber as the National Suicide Hotline.
So that's pretty cool.
Fun fact.
Another fun fact is, sign upfor the Advanced while you can.
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The sports course is almostsold out already so that's fun.
Yay!
But I'll always make room, soyou just want to sign up now,
though, before it gets crazy.
I can't wait to, to just, it's the familyreunion that you can't wait to go to.
Visit the people and eat goodfood and get some sunshine.
And we're later this year than every year.
(50:29):
It's been going a little bitlater, so hopefully it's a
little bit warmer, because acouple years ago it was freezing.
Yeah, in February.
And we also are competing for rooms.
in February with spring trainingfor the baseball players.
So the hotel said, wouldyou please move it to March?
I'm like, okay.
It's warmer.
So we can, you know, drop the leads inthe hot tub and it's warm enough that
(50:53):
we can actually be on the hot tub.
That's a good thing.
And
yeah, it's, it's, I'm excited.
The symposium is just so cool this year.
Yes, it is.
Well,
that's it for today.
I have to run back to the clinic.
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You just have to go back to work.
I do.
Yay.
I'm doing the podcast at six.
So that would be fun.
Yes.
And that, that
really work.
It's.
I get to go back to the clinic.
Yeah, you get to go play.
Yes.
Have fun.
All right, everybody.
Thanks for coming and we will seeeverybody same time, same place next week.
See you next week.
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Do you have a list?
Do you have a starting point?
Well, I always have alist and a starting point.
(00:21):
Go for it.
The point is that we don't always get tothe list or the starting point because you
always have some extraordinary event orstory that you just have to tell us about.
So I am yet again taking anothercourse and I love learning.
I wish I could be justa professional student.
But there is a part in the coursethat they were talking about this
(00:43):
health pyramid that we have to follow.
And I was thinking a lot about howto do screenings and assessment and
mobilization and movement and stabilizer.
And it makes a lot of sensein the biomechanics world.
And even in the biotensegrity world,which doesn't follow a levers and
fulcrum type of model and they weretalking about different physical
therapy modalities work for this andnot for that and this and not for that.
(01:06):
And I had to pause
the course so many times becausewe don't have that with FSM, where
it works for this and not for that.
There was a question that we had, and somaybe I'll just kind of start with that
because we always talk about our favoritefrequencies and cautionary tales and there
was an email, and maybe we talked about itlast week, about a case where 1 24 could.
(01:27):
Is there ever a modelwhere you couldn't use 124?
I couldn't think of one.
No, and I wouldn't try.
I've been staying up at nightthinking, why would I ever?
Not want to use it.
Scarring?
Absolutely.
There are cases where we don't wantto dissolve scar tissue too soon, when
we're, remodeling, or we have to justbe careful that when we're dissolving
(01:51):
scar tissue that there is strength andstabilizers ready to come online to create
the stability that, scarring might have.
But
the surprising thing to me is So youtake out scarring in the ureter, in
the kidney, sclerosis in the adipose,and then scarring down by the bladder
to get somebody's psoas loose.
(02:12):
I did this yesterday.
But I've had patients wherethe psoas, I had a patient with
a 60 degree lumbar scoliosis.
She's had it for years.
She's in her 60s.
They're not going to fuse it.
Done deal.
So I did the scarring in the ureter.
(02:32):
But when you look at a 60 degree lumbar,
I'm trying to just imagine thatright now, actually, because,
yeah, and her back pain is right atwhere it switches to the thoracic curve
and
it's right at 3.
So I did this scar tissue inthe ureter, the kidney and the.
(02:55):
Fat pad, but then I had to do 1 24 and77 to get rid of her back pain, right?
So the SOAs refers pain to the back.
That took care of one piece of the pain.
But there was another part of the painthat was due to the fact that when
(03:17):
the SOAs has to stretch so far andundergo so much biomechanical insanity
and the connective tissue slips.
If you look at how the psoas connectsto the vertebra, I had to run 124 and
77 torn or broken in the 77 attachmentof the psoas to get her back pain down.
(03:44):
Now that's not going to doanything to change the scoliosis
because now it's, it's hard.
Yeah.
But it makes her more comfortableand she's an FSM practitioner.
So I wrote down what todo for her back pain.
Facets, yes.
And there, there's a, I have in thecore acute facets and, and on the
(04:07):
custom care subacute and then chronic.
Well, I have to change, Inever run the chronic one.
But when somebody has facets that havebeen so traumatized and damaged, you
have to think of 54 and the cartilage.
(04:29):
The cartilage is necrotic,doesn't get blood supply.
So, if it's necrotic because it doesn'tget blood supply, then what do you treat?
What's below the cartilage inthe bone that gives oxygen and
nutrients to the cartilage?
(04:50):
The capillaries.
They're not
arteries.
They're little teeny things.
So you run maybe degenerationor scarring in the capillaries,
vitality in the capillaries,
one in
the capillaries, right?
And is
it going to work?
Everything we do is, Idon't know, let's try it.
(05:11):
See it works.
Okay, When I'm thinking aboutsomething that's scarred, right?
Cuz right away you will get tothat point very early on in your
screening or your assessment oryour hypothesis Something's tight.
It's not moving, right?
You do your objective findings withyour active passive and resisted
range of motion Then you use thereal measures which are your hands.
You can feel something is scarred.
(05:34):
Yes, I'm going to go to scarring.
I'm going to go to 1391, whatever,but right away, I almost back it up.
I'll do it for a few minutes, feelit soft, and then you think it didn't
become scarred from outer space.
How did it get scarred?
For something to scar, somethingprobably tore, and if it tore,
there was probably bleeding.
So, and if there was bleeding and therewas tearing, there might have been trauma.
(05:57):
So you start kind of reverse engineeringthe story and So, you know, you
running scarring and then he's like,well, I had to run torn and broken.
I mean, we got to that,that same conclusion very
organically in different ways.
You can see it.
Your eyes go into that lordotic curve.
You see what is attaching.
You see the.
(06:18):
Stress that it's under.
So when, I know we're supposed tosay 124 is repair and heal, but
some, I mean, I go to torn and brokenbecause like tearing isn't, isn't
a bad word in the sports world.
We're micro tearing all thetime when we're getting strong.
That's how hypertrophy is formulated.
Those myofibrils tear and they repair.
(06:40):
So maybe we call it tornand broken, tear and repair.
I don't know.
I always think of it as torn and broken.
I only call it repair because of you.
So it's like in deference to Kim,it's repair and heal, but I'm running
this because it was torn and broken.
Exactly.
So again, but those are the phrases thatyour inside voice says, and then depending
(07:01):
on the room that you're in, maybe you'renot going to say, I'm going to put
torn and broken on your custom care.
You're going to say, This is a protocolfor repairing and healing, right?
Even, even athletes like that.
Oh, this is my recovery protocol.
This is my repair protocol.
So the story, yeah,
you, you used a phrase that remindsme people have, I, I mentioned
(07:24):
doing palpation masterclass.
Where you, the phrase you used thatreminded me that we've not scheduled
it, and we haven't scheduled itbecause I don't know how to teach
it, except the way I learned it,which started when I was about 12
is seeing inside with your fingers.
How do you see?
That's a master palpation class.
(07:47):
Mm-hmm
. How do you feel it?
I started when I was 12 by takinga deck of cards and picking a
two an eight and a face card.
A jack or king, right?
So they look different.
And then I took those three cardsand I turned 'em upside down.
And I looked at them and I said,I want to see the two and you
(08:10):
look at the three cards and turnthat one over and it's the two.
Okay.
Whatever that felt like when,I mean, I couldn't see the two.
I just knew it was the two.
Right.
And then, okay.
I want to see.
Then I moved them around so Icouldn't tell where they were.
(08:31):
And I said, I want to see the jack.
So that's going to be a really busy.
And then.
I turned over the two again.
No, I want to see the jack.
Moved them around.
I did this for weeks on end untilI was right 90 percent of the time.
(08:54):
Nine times out of ten.
So it was kind of like teachingyourself to hallucinate.
And that's master palpation.
You feel, so I have a lady thathad this very rare liposarcoma
that was found incidentally, nopain, wrapped around her kidney.
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The thing was 12 centimeters.
It was huge.
So they took out her right kidney,and then they did radiation to make
sure the cancer didn't go anyplace.
And she's been comingto me for scar tissue.
And she said, my kidney thatisn't there still hurts.
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So I did scarring in this ureter.
They left her ureter,just took the kidney.
I treated the kidney thatwasn't there for trauma.
And then I felt her abdomen.
And it's what you said, you feelinside and sort of hallucinate.
And she said, oh, that's tender.
Well, it was clear on theother side of her belly
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and
over the small intestine.
The only thing that can generatepain in the abdomen is the vagus.
It's a, it's a nociceptor.
So I ran radiation and scarring in thevagus and her small bowel got all squishy
and the tender spots when it's, it was,
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yeah.
And I'm thinking different ways ofgetting to where you were with the Vegas.
I mean, it treats theVegas and so many people.
And I mean, we talk about just runninglike vitality in the Vegas or increasing
bagel tone, supporting the Vegas.
But again, like, feel free to think about.
What happened to the Vegas?
Or do you know what I mean?
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It's not just flicking on aswitch and saying, okay, work.
So
well, I'm thinking of the, we think ofthe Vegas so much in terms of improving
digestion, quieting blood sugar.
Suppressing the immune system,making your esophagus work,
making your vocal cords work.
It's, it's another step orit's a factoid where the vagus
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is the pain, the pain nerve.
In the viscera, if you palpatesomebody's small bowel or large bowel
and it hurts, well, if it hurts, it'seither diverticulitis or scarring in
the vagus, depending on what happenedto their belly, and it's, yeah.
When, when we're palpating, evenSo your card, your card exercise
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that you would do when we were incollege, we had to, and this is
dating myself, take the yellow pages.
And so yes, coins and yes,something called the yellow pages.
So kids out there that are listeningbefore Google, we had a giant
yellow book that was delivered toour houses once a year, and it was
thick and we would put a penny.
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On one of the pages, and then thepages were very thin, so you put
one page on top, palpate the penny.
Another page on top, palpate the penny.
So it's like the princess and the pea.
Towards the end of the program, Icould have the entire book and tell
you within millimeters where thatpenny was, because you can sense, and
your awareness is In the phone book,
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you can feel where the edges are.
We did it in chiropracticcollege had to do a human hair,
right?
So you take a human hair.
And once again, it was the phonebook, which is like tissue paper.
These days, you take a piece of typingpaper, a number 10 paper, you know,
regular copy paper, and you put a humanhair under it, one piece of paper.
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And you get to a placewhere the paper just feels.
Different.
Yes.
You, you come to this little ridge andthen you go over the bump and then,
Oh, that must be where the hair is.
And then you put two pieces ofpaper and then three and then 10 and
that's how you train palpation.
And using that hallucinogenicmind of yours to put your
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eyeballs on the other end.
And the other thing we talk abouta lot when we're teaching is.
We have these great palpatory skillsnow, and we're able to palpate something
that's not as healthy as it should be,or stuck to the neighbor as it should
not be, and what do you do before FSM?
You palpate it, and then you tryto murder it with your hands.
You squish it to death.
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You, you press, and you poke, andyou prod, and you stretch, and you,
that's all you could do, right?
Or needle it, or whateveryou're going to do.
So I think the hardest shift thatwe make as practitioners is once you
feel it, don't squish it to death.
Back off.
Right.
It's just trusting becauseyou're still, it's not just
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about sensory and then motor.
It's still sensory, like that tissueis still telling you something.
And if you are forcing itwith your own information, you
can't feel how it's changing.
And so even before FSM, I had a reallyhard time with people that would squish
trigger points with their elbows.
The phrase I use in my head is whenyou get, let's say, somebody has
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adhesions from a gallbladder surgery.
Well, what are the adhesions in?
They're in the bile duct,the head of the pancreas.
The bottom of the liver and, you know,there, so you get to where the patient
flinches or the muscles bunch upbecause now you found the tender spot.
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The phrase in my headis you ask permission.
You get to the edge whereit splints and then you back
off to 1 millimeter back off.
And then as you approach it.
It's like approaching, I'm intohorses, it's approaching a horse
that might bolt and run away.
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And you've got your hand out, and you lethim sniff it, and then you very gently
come up and pet his chin or his nose.
Right?
Same thing with the dog.
Same thing with the bile duct.
Oh, that's tender.
Okay, wait, I'm not going to hurt you.
Right.
And then you switch toscarring in the bile duct.
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And it'll give you a millimeter or twoand as it gives you that millimeter,
you just wait and then gently pullit away from whatever it's stuck to.
Right.
That's the advantage we have.
The advantage is when you move thatslow and you are respectful of the
tissue is you are anticipating thetissue is going to tell you something.
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The tissue is going to say.
This feels great, keep doing that,
or
it will start to firm up, andthat's when you know, okay, time
to move on to something else.
Because it's not a recipe, and Iknow that's the hardest part for
people who just start learning this.
So do I run 13 on A and 77 on B for aminute, or two minutes, till it's done?
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That is the hard part, but thatis the beautiful part of it.
I can give them a recipe to start, like,two minutes a piece, unless it's not.
It's funny, but it's sofrustrating at the same time.
I know, and like I said to practitionersstarting, I only started off with a
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custom care, and it was great untilit wasn't, because I could just
palpate and work with my hands and Icould feel things and I would look at
the machine and say, Oh, it's 1377.
Okay.
And then it would change.
I'd be like, no, no, no, no, no.
It's, it's still smushing.
Don't change.
And that's, that's whenit's time for precision care
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because you go crazy otherwise.
But that's that learning curve is justtaking it all in and not forcing your
opinion, not forcing your hypothesis.
Just.
Listening.
Yes.
Yeah.
My dad used to always say, you have twoears and one mouth for a reason, right?
But in my head now I'm like, I havetwo ears and two hands, so what are
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you going to say about that now?
It's a smarty pants and me speaking ofsmarty pants, we have a couple of very
good questions that are coming up already.
Susanna.
Go ahead.
Constitutional factorsand patient assessment.
I do not recall this being discussed.
Have you moved away from theseor are these not as productive
as other frequency pairs?
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In the advanced, I talk about I give theindividual constitutional factors and
Roger Billika has There's a one sheetwhere he has the constitutional factor,
the questions that go with it, and thesymptoms that go with that particular one.
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On the summary sheet, on theadvanced laminate, I've got a
very brief this frequency, thatfrequency goes with these symptoms.
And then on the slides, there's probablyfour or five slides for each, each one.
The reason that we don't talkabout them in the core is
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there's so much in the core.
And 6.
8 and 38 back in 1997, that thehealing group that knew Harry.
And have this conceptual frameworkfor the homeopathy involved
in the constitutional factors.
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They were concerned that likehomeopathy, if you run a frequency
that is for a constitutional factorthat is present, but not active.
If you have the concept that thesefrequencies change genetic expression.
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And that the constitutional factors.
As the homeopaths caused the, calledthem in the 1800s and early 1900s.
They call them constitutional factors.
In our world, we call themgenetic factors or SNPs.
Running groups that predisposepeople to particular illnesses.
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So you have families where nobody isschizophrenic, bipolar, or autistic, but
they have psoriasis, rosacea, acne eczema,it all, everything comes out in their
skin, and their digestive system is funky.
That's a different set of SNPs that createthat predisposition in that patient.
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Well, the concern was that ifyou run the frequency for that
constitutional factor, it's presentbut not active, you can turn it on.
So the healing group, back then,before I even had the idea that what we
were doing was changing cell membranereceptors and changing genetics.
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The healing group had that concern.
So we run 38.
It took me 5 years of working8 hours a day with patients
before I got the courage.
To use the specific constitutionalfactors, the only thing is
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they work faster than 6.
38. You can run an hourand it can't hurt anybody.
The constitutional factor.
You have to be able to feel or sense.
What's going smush or warmth or dwarfor whatever indicator you use, you have
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to feel when it's done and it has tobe done with a precision care because
some patients it runs 30 seconds.
Some patients, the longestI've ever run it is 12 minutes
and then I just got nervous.
And so that's, it's agood question, Suzanne.
And there are times whenit's really helpful.
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There's something, there'ssomething else I wanted to mention.
I have a patient that camein this week that had a head
injury two or three years ago.
And after that, he has pituitaryproblems, central signaling hormone
problems, testosterone deficiencyproblems, depression, apathy.
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All of these things.
And he, he, his mother sent him.
That's a thing.
He's in his 20s.
And he asked me, his mom wantshim to get a custom care.
And he asked me, is FSM going to help me?
Now I've seen him two or three times.
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No major improvement.
And I said, do you know whatyour vitamin D levels are?
No, and He hasn't done.
Oh, I have trouble withdigestion and constipation.
Okay.
Are you doing this thisand this for constipation?
No, I do that that and that it'slike that that and that don't work
as well as this this and this so trythis Well, he hasn't done anything I
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suggested And then I asked him, hasanybody tested your vitamin D levels?
No.
Okay.
You have problems withdepression and inflammation.
And if your vitamin D levelsare 12, there is no thing that
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FSM can do to overcome that.
So the stable state includes,what are your vitamin D levels?
Can you methylate folate?
Can you methylate B12?
Do you have a vestibular injury?
That's the other thing, Suzanne, is youcan correct constitutional factors, and
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if their vitamin D levels are eight.
You're not going to get anyplace with whatever they have.
Right.
I, at the advance, when you go intothe specifics of the different,
and I never remember them I foundthat section to always be a little
bit overwhelming and confusing.
I always find that There's so manyoverlaps between all of them as
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well, so not everybody fits intothis wonderful little constitutional
box that you're like, oh, it'sthis, there's a ton of overlap.
People intermarry, so you havetwo different constitutional
types in the same person.
Right.
But the set of symptoms that you'retrying to address would belong more to
one constitutional type than the other.
And then I had to run bothconstitutional types or just run 6.
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Right, I've always just had 6.
8 and 38 in my mind, and it seems to dowhat I need it to do and I'm happy with
that, and like I said, it's also a verygrounding frequency, so for the people
that get really stoned after treatment,and they don't want to feel stoned if they
have a long drive ahead of them, or theyhave to get on an important Zoom call,
I mean, everybody loves to feel kind ofblissfully floaty when they leave, but
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some people, especially the type A peoplethat have a hard time Relaxing or giving
trust when they do feel a bit floaty,they want to be able to not feel floaty
and be in control
and be back in control.
So 6.
38 I found to be an extremely like backin your body, grounding, confident.
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Wake up.
Wake up, but not like, not anxiouscrazy wake up, but just, okay.
It's very interesting.
Of all frequencies that George has comeup with that one and shingles are the, the
ones that have just been the most amazing.
And.
The basal ganglia at 988.
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Yeah, well, that's a very organictransition to the next question is can
post shingles neuropathy benefit from FSM?
Oh, duh.
Yeah, sorry.
Yes it's in the core.
You run the frequencies brieflyfor the three shingles frequencies.
And then the challenge with postherpetic neuralgia is which nerve is it?
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So, post traumatic neuralgia incranial nerves, you can't get
at the nerve root in general.
It's facial nerve.
Or the trigeminal nerve andthe origin of the cell body for
those nerves is in the pons.
So it's taken me quite a while tofigure out that I need to run 160
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and 81 in the pons to get the problemwith post traumatic neuralgia is
the virus destroys the nerve sheath.
It sort of leave bits of scar tissue andholes and the nerve doesn't work right.
So the cranial nerves are challenging.
The dermatomal nerves are easier.
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You set up the contact where thenerve comes out and it can be
any nerve route from C2 to S2
where the nerve comes out towhere the nerve ends and you treat
it for inflammation, increasedsecretions and scarring, necrosis.
Increase secretions andpolarize the heck out of it.
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I'll turn the current up.
And what you're doing is if you think ofthe current making those voltage gated
ion channels in the nerve membrane,making, forcing them to flip over just.
Knocking into them.
So I make the wave slope sharp, and it'stincture of time sometimes, and then
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the nerve, because it's been inflamed,gets scarred to the surrounding tissue.
So some 80%, supposedly, of shinglesis in the thoracic nerve roots.
While thoracic nerveroots run in between ribs.
That means that nerve gets adhered orscarred to the periosteum, the connective
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tissue, the muscle belly, which is 62.
So you have getting rid of the scartissue between the nerve and its
surrounding tissue as part of the repair.
Because otherwise, every timethe patient moves, the nerve
gets a nerve traction injury.
Right.
So, post traumatic neuralgiais not a slam dunk.
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It's more difficult thelonger they've had it.
It is more difficult the older the patientis, so you have to create a stable state
with essential fatty acids, and I, if thepatient is otherwise tolerant of it, I
would use heparazine A to give them enoughacetylcholine to make the thing work, and
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essential fatty acids, like, lots of them.
So.
That's yes.
The answer is yes, Dana.
Yes, but it's not.
It can be challenging and youhave to really be aware of in the
beginning, I have found that howlong they're going, how many days
they respond and then try to get it.
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Can be pretty predictablein the beginning.
So if they have three days pain free,make sure you're seeing them every two
days and then try to be then slowly spaceit out, because it's like anything else.
Once the pain is back, it'sback and they mind it more.
We talk about that all the time.
The pain hasn't gotten worse, butbecause they've had a break of
the pain when it does come back.
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It's more irritating.
And if the nerve has been completelydestroyed, like if you can't get it turned
around, it's like phantom limb pain.
So it's 40 and 89, but you have to tryand fix the nerve first before you give
up and see if 40 and 89 is going to work.
Right.
It's, we have the most interestingdiscussions because I know it's it.
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Who else, who else, whereelse do you have these?
Yes.
But we talk about shingles alot with active cases, but the
postherpetic neuralgia is alsosomething that we see quite often.
Well, and the other thing is thatonce a patient has had shingles
for two to three weeks, you'redealing with postherpetic neuralgia.
So, Brodome is easy.
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The first week of activeshingles is pretty easy.
After that, you're inbetween active shingles.
They have the relish.
And the nerve can be pretty damaged.
It's a thing.
Right.
So, and lupus.
Yeah, we're going from one challenging
case to another.
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Both from Dana.
I'd be really interested to see what yourlast two weeks of practice have been like.
There's a big one thatstands out for me with lupus.
Go ahead.
Getting the vagus under controlbecause when the vagus with
any kind of autoimmune, we knowthat affects the vagus nerve.
So getting the vagus undercontrol and supported.
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Lupus is really what they used to say waslike the disease of a thousand faces or
something, because it literally is this,so it depends entirely on presentation,
but doesn't matter where in thepresentation and if it's a predisposition
to lupus or full out lupus, the vagusnerve is going to be the, the cornerstone,
the keystone, I think, of the treatment.
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And for me, the startingplace is what turned it off.
What happened before yourfirst symptoms started?
Right.
Nothing.
It's never nothing.
Yeah.
Okay.
You started getting thesesymptoms in February.
What happened in January?
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Well, I went skiing.
Okay.
Did you fall?
Oh, yeah, I ended up in the first aidtent and broke my ankle and broke my
leg or sprained my ankle or hit myhead or, right, the vagus is turned
down by infection, stress, and trauma.
So that's what you're looking for,infection, and that counts vaccines.
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I'm not anti vaccine, but youhave to understand that vaccines
are artificial infections.
That's their job.
So, find out what turned it off, takecare of the cause in the process of
trying to turn the vagus back on.
Right.
You turn the vagus on and then youstill have to deal with the organs
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that are affected by the lupus.
Where's the inflammation hit?
Right.
You have symptoms likepsoriasis, it hits the skin.
Well, okay, yes, I can treat theskin, but unless I get the vagus
to work, it's not going to work.
Yeah.
Unless you can get the patient to stopeating gluten and milk and the things that
I was just going to say, thenyou're going to be also chasing a
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host of other, like, inflammatorycatalysts, such as dairy and gluten.
And sometimes the stress or the triggerthat started it, whether it's an emotional
stress, divorce empty nest syndrome,there's all these papers that are
coming up right now with perimenopausalwomen and autoimmune diseases.
And it doesn't take, you know,Sherlock Holmes to connect a
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lot of these stressors together.
Can we bring kids back from collegeso their mom isn't sad anymore?
No.
But we can help guide them to otherthings to help support that stable state.
So, it's not easy, it's like yousaid, it's not a slam dunk, but
there's so many factors that you justhave to be mindful of, of asking.
It's not your job to fix itall, but be mindful of it.
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But again, going back to, ifanything else, just Help that little
Vegas to support that little guy.
Little longest nerve in the body.
So beautiful.
Like I said, my next tattoois going to be the Vegas nerve
because it's just beautiful.
Anyways, Nina has a question.
39 and 32 is listed as HCL in the stomach.
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Is this increasing ordecreasing stomach acid?
I think of 39 as sublux and would loveto use this pair for a hiatal hernia.
Is there anything else touse for a hiatal hernia?
I have the 39 and 32 must beon the West Indies as a pair.
I've never used it.
I'm just going to look it
up.
Yeah.
Hiatal hernias are places where thestomach has been pulled above the,
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the lower esophageal sphincter andthere's a mechanical part of that.
Chiropractors Historically havea fit, which is you get up in the
morning on an empty stomach and youdrink a big glass of water, which
weighs, you know, about a pound.
And then you just stand up onyour toes and drop on your heels
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and the weight in your stomach.
Supposedly pull your empty stomachdown below that is still center.
And then you treat the Vegas, right?
Because the Vegas is in charge of.
Making the loweresophageal sphincter work.
Stomach acid is not the problem.
The fact that the secretory, asecretorypart of the stomach is above that lower
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esophageal sphincter, that is the problem.
And.
The medical profession, their only wayof fixing the discomfort associated
with that is to stop the stomach fromproducing acid, which creates a host of
pathologies that I, there's no time tolist them, just read the package insert.
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And as far as I'm concerned, the, theside effects from proton pump, the
long term side effects from long termuse of proton pump inhibitors or acid
blockers are more dangerous than a hiatalhernia or almost anything that they do.
And these medications were neverstudied for use beyond two weeks.
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Like
when you look at
the original papers that got themapproved, they were studied for two weeks.
Four weeks.
There are people thathave been on them for 17.
I was just
gonna say, who has justbeen on a PPI for two weeks?
Nobody.
No, you're on them
forever.
Yeah.
And then, then when the patent ranout, they made them over the counter.
So people just, oh, I have acid reflux,or I have an absent stomach, so I'm
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gonna just chomp on Pepcid or whatever.
That whole list of
Yeah,
whole pill.
And it's just.
When you read the long termside effects, it's just scary.
Right.
So, I'd rather not.
Yeah, no, I, because there arepeople who have low stomach acid
too, on the flip side, right?
And they have to take digestiveenzymes and whatever else.
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I wouldn't think of evertreating it with FSM or
Well, you get the vagus to workand the stomach will secrete.
And then you can run 81 in thestomach if you really want to.
Oh the other comment on that said the HCLis a different issue of a client who has
been told by functional nutritionist thatshe is not producing enough stomach acid.
She has a supplement but wantsto improve it on its own.
So that would be Vegas.
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It's a Vegas.
I mean, there may be, I don't know enoughabout the biochemistry of the stomach.
So is there, I mean, the stomachhas to build hydrochloric
acid out of something, right?
So.
You'd have to do a deep dive.
Yeah, I take betaine.
It's part of my digestive enzymes,but if you're trying to do it without
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taking betaine as part of yourdigestive enzymes, I do a deep dive
on how the glands in the stomach,what do they make stomach acid out of?
How does that biochemistry work?
And can you give it not the end product,which is betaine but give it the
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precursors that it builds betaine out of.
right?
And get the vagus to work.
The vagus is in charge of makingthe stomach, make stomach acid.
That's, this is where it'sokay to go right to the top.
Yeah.
Get the vagus to work first.
And then if that doesn't work, you canguess that I'm going to go grab Guyton
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and find out, or even a deeper dive.
And see if I can findout what's the precursor.
Yeah.
That's a thought.
It's like the Roger Bellicaslides on neurotransmitters.
Oh.
Who knew that you had tohave copper to make dopamine?
Who knew that?
I did.
Right?
But that's why we have Roger.
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Yeah.
And Roger's coming back this year.
And I think he's doing Lyme.
Lyme.
I think he's doing Lyme.
This year is gonna be magic.
I'm just so excited.
I feel like I already have to just dothis and make some space in my brain
for the star studded cast that we have.
I'm so excited.
I mean, they're all exciting,but Eduardo and the Dura.
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Yeah.
Buckle up, folks.
He's not messing around.
He's sending me videos like weekly ofpatients where he takes a patient that
cannot bend and has this, that, andthe other thing and he runs scarring
in the dura on a 79 year old manwho's just stiff as a board and has
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headaches and cognitive impairmentand blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
And gets his dura to work andthen does cranial stuff while he's
treating scarring in the dura.
And this guy, it, you know, so exciting.
And when, when you can, those videos,I mean, and the case reports are
just so fascinating because a theoryis a theory and then that's great.
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But when you can see these types ofcases in action and Eduardo is so
great and his Instagram is so greatto see all the things that he does
and he's a, he's a good speaker.
So that's very exciting.
And Diana Cross.
Oh, Diana Cross is coming back and I have,she's going back to how does 124 work.
I love that she's been dealing with that.
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This will be her thirdsymposium lecture on 124.
So she, she never quits.
She just keeps divingand diving and diving.
And I have no idea what ourslides are going to look like.
I'll be lucky if I getthem the day before.
So it'll be fine.
Yeah, we just have to showup and get a front row seat.
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That's all.
That's it.
Yeah.
There's a couple more little things herewith Dana with the HCL, I think, but
osteoporosis and FSM,
calcium hydroxyapatite,vitamin D hormones.
Unless the patient has hada hormone related cancer.
Estrogen is a thing, estrogen andvitamin D calcium, hydroxyapatite.
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And it's actually horsetail, theherb, it's selenium, I think,
is what they use for fractures.
To repair fractures pH balance,I don't know anything about.
So there's that.
What I would like to add again,we're going to circumvent the
perimenopausal menopausal women groupright now, but in those early stages
or osteoporotic prone demographic, wewant to have tensile pull on the bone.
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We need tendon under.
load to keep those bones strong.
That's the mechanical force.
So we have our stable statewith our supplements, but we
need the tendons under stress.
And for women who maybe have neverweight trained or who are afraid of
weight training, or do not like beingsore after weight training, which if
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you're doing those heavy loads, thoseeccentric loads that are pulling on
the tendon that will make the bonesstrong, you're going to be sore.
So FSM can be great in that recovery,the DOMS protocol workout recovery.
There we go with 124.
It's been the 124 day using 124on the tendon and the periosteum
to help with the soreness.
Cause the last thing wewant is people to quit.
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Working out or quit moving.
We want to make sure those bones are
was just weight bearingjust walking, you know,
or the latest research is showingthe eccentric load on the tendon
is what interesting is increasing.
I rely on you to do thehomework that I don't have a
nerd when it comes to that data.
So, yes,
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nerds of the world unite.
How do you help someone withbase base avertable ablation.
Geez.
Fusion hardware removed inorder to do the ablation.
Of course the pain got worse afterthe surgery instead of better.
Can't run 40 becauseit increases the pain?
Yeah, okay, so here's the thing.
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I'm not sure what a basalvertebral ablation is.
They usually do medial branch.
block medial branch ablationsat the facet levels.
And the challenge is, try 40 and 89,that it's like having phantom limb pain.
When you cut a nerve, it's like trimminga rosebush and you'd cut one and three
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go back and they're well pissed off.
They, they're more irritable.
More pain sensitive when they grow backand then you can ablate them a second
time and Then you have even less time I'm
the point where says 124 on a39 59 on B increases the pain.
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I I want
Right.
So, I mean I I would I always startwith the periosteum because that's
the more innervated painful partof the bone I wonder if that also
increased the pain, but that's
81 and 396 is It's scarring in the nerve.
But try 40 and 89.
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It's people that have had ablations.
My challenge, the challenge I have withthat, because I have a couple of patients
that have recently had ablations, andthey don't, they don't mourn them.
That it's temporary.
They get 12 months, 10 to 12 monthsout of the first one, 6 months out
of the second one, 3 to 4 months outof the third one, and then they have
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to put in a spinal cord stimulant.
That's how it works.
And they don't, I wouldn't mind,but informed consent was a thing.
Back when I was a pharmaceutical salesman,you had to have informed consent.
They don't warn people andpeople don't look it up.
It'll be there.
Yeah,
so
that's interesting.
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Silica, not selenium.
Okay, that you're right.
It's silica.
That's it.
Silica.
Horsetail.
That's what I took.
It was silica, not selenium.
You're right.
It was silica.
When I broke my shoulder into sixpieces, the veterinarian told me to
take horsetail because it has silicain it and it helps bone healing.
So if you, I don't know if There'sany literature about silica being
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helpful in osteoporosis, but theinside of a bone is a special kind
of collagen, so that might work.
Nina had mentioned the spinalcord stem unit also increased pain
after a shorter period of time.
This is why we don't keepadult beverages in the clinic.
I just, there's no, and we've had twoPM& R, physical medicine and rehab
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docs, and they're the ones that do RF,or radiofrequency ablation of nerves,
and these, Two came one came to a coreone year in Arizona, and the next one
came to a core in Arizona the nextyear, and it was wonderful because I
looked at them and I said, does RFNGa joint, a medial branch ever work?
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And they both said no.
And how often is it done?
Oh, it's all the time.
It's what they do for low backpain for facet generated pain.
The only thing they have to do is they'lldo a medial branch block as a test.
If it works, the next thing theydo is to RF the joint to RF the
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medial branch, and then they never.
Tell the patient what the sequelaeis, and that's what I mind.
So if the patient knew aheadof time, Okay, here's the plan.
It's going to last 12 months, 6 months,3 months, spinal cord stimulant.
Do you want a spinal cordstimulant in three years?
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Of course not.
Okay, then we won't do this.
Well, what do I do about my back pain?
You can use topicalketoprofen and lidocaine.
You can do these exercises.
They have such a limited toolbox.
God love them.
I think they're doing what theydo because that's all they can do.
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Just believe in informed consent.
That's, there's that.
Yes.
A couple more questionsand we got to wrap it up.
Anything I can do within my scope tohelp a client with neuromyelitis optica.
Immune system attacks the nervesheath of the optic nerve.
Doesn't have it in her spine yet.
Causes unknown.
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Carrie, I think you're a chiropractor.
I think Carrie's a chiropractor.
I think.
Treat the vagus, treat 40 and 90 becausethe optic nerve is part of the forebrain.
I don't think we have afrequency for the optic nerve.
You want to shut the immune system down,take her off wheat, corn, milk, eggs,
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put her on an anti inflammatory diet.
Neuromyelitis, do they mean MS?
Oh, you're a massage therapist.
Oh my goodness.
Lori Chaykin has passed away, andwe actually don't have anybody that
has stepped up to take her place.
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As a massage therapist pretend thatyou're treating her neck and run
the Vegas and suggest that an antiinflammatory diet wouldn't hurt if you
are allowed to do that in your stateor if you have a good relationship with
a patient so you can get away with it.
Yeah, that's a tough one.
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Yuck.
And that arthritis success story.
You can't put tissue back that'snot there, and arthritis is,
Not the problem.
Pain is the problem.
So you have people with terrible lookingjoints, awful arthritis, and no pain,
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and they come in with their x rays andyou go, oh my god, how are you walking?
And then you have somebody elsethat comes in, with a little bit
of bone spurs and a little bit ofthis and they're in terrible pain.
And the medical literature says thatthe difference is, the journal Spine
in particular, says the differenceis what they use for repair.
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Right.
They repair it with inflammatory tissue.
They have pain.
With even mild arthritis, and ifthey are anti inflammatory just
constitutionally, they can methylatefolate, they can methylate B12, they
have all these, you know, the vitaminD levels are 60, and so their anti
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inflammatory status is really strong,and arthritis is just wear and tear,
right?
It goes back to that 124.
The other side note, and I'vementioned him on, I think it was
just last week's podcast, Howard Luxon Instagram, or just Google him.
He's an orthopedist that has he reallydoes a lot with arthritis, and he has
a lot of the kind of latest data onwhat's helpful and what's not helpful.
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So a lot of the scopes and proceduresto quote unquote clean up the joint no.
So Howard Lux, I just pulled it up again.
H J Lux, that's L U K S. And then thenumber one is his Instagram handle.
But Howard Lux to Google him, he'sgot some great, just some great
literature on arthritis holisticarthritis treatment which is.
And then we can also turn off theinflammation in the joint directly.
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Yeah.
Before and the cartilage,the periosteum 40.
Inflammation in the bone 59 and 39and turn on the Vegas and make sure
they have enough vitamin D. It's like,if your vitamin D levels are between
60 and 80, the incidence of heartdisease and cancer goes down by 50%.
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That's kind of cool.
And that's my alarm.
There you go.
Basal ganglia.
988 is a basal ganglia, and it's the samenumber as the National Suicide Hotline.
So that's pretty cool.
Fun fact.
Another fun fact is, sign upfor the Advanced while you can.
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The sports course is almostsold out already so that's fun.
Yay!
But I'll always make room, soyou just want to sign up now,
though, before it gets crazy.
I can't wait to, to just, it's the familyreunion that you can't wait to go to.
Visit the people and eat goodfood and get some sunshine.
And we're later this year than every year.
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It's been going a little bitlater, so hopefully it's a
little bit warmer, because acouple years ago it was freezing.
Yeah, in February.
And we also are competing for rooms.
in February with spring trainingfor the baseball players.
So the hotel said, wouldyou please move it to March?
I'm like, okay.
It's warmer.
So we can, you know, drop the leads inthe hot tub and it's warm enough that
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we can actually be on the hot tub.
That's a good thing.
And
yeah, it's, it's, I'm excited.
The symposium is just so cool this year.
Yes, it is.
Well,
that's it for today.
I have to run back to the clinic.
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You just have to go back to work.
I do.
Yay.
I'm doing the podcast at six.
So that would be fun.
Yes.
And that, that
really work.
It's.
I get to go back to the clinic.
Yeah, you get to go play.
Yes.
Have fun.
All right, everybody.
Thanks for coming and we will seeeverybody same time, same place next week.
See you next week.
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