Zoe's In Italy!

Zoe calls in from Italy while Heather holds down the Toronto studio. They catch up on solo travel, mental health abroad, and navigating sobriety in new places—plus a candid chat about singer Lola Young’s on-stage collapse and the pressures of addiction in the spotlight.

This episode is available on youtube here. 

 

Episode Transcript

Heather (00:00):
Ah.
Oh, do I look like I'm in a jungle?
Yeah.
I, when I saw you, I said,oh, she's in the Amazon.
Don't catch, don't get Zika.

(00:31):
Oh, also welcome back to Girl On Drunk.
Obviously you see there'ssomething strange going on here.
I'm here in Toronto in our studio,and Zoe, where are you buddy?
I'm in P

Zoe (00:45):
de.
So gl.
That was hot, Zoe.
That might be right.
How's your

Heather (00:49):
Italian?
Mm, not so good.
Not the, not the So good, not the so good.
Um, do you know how to say helpme or bathroom or Beo is bathroom

Zoe (01:03):
perfect?
Don't know.
Help me.
I just would scream.
Actually, there was a guy todayon the beach that was like.
Going to touch me.
He was like wearing an all pink outfit.
Probably was drunk.
Okay.
Or like if he wasn't drunk, hewas just like very disabled.
I'm not too sure what was going on.
Okay.
Something was happening, but he lookeda little bit scary and he just was like.

(01:26):
Trying to do that to me.
And then, then I hadto like, I dodged him.
I was like, no, you slipped.
I, yeah, I did the slip.
Yeah.
For boxing.
The boxing's really coming in handy here.
I just slip away the Italian men,

Heather (01:39):
oh, I got ba in the head by Rachel the other day.
Our coaching, ourcoaching, our boxing coach.
'cause I'm learning the slips,but I'm, I'm learning it.
And then she ba right.
And I was like, I'm so sorry.
I also got hit.
I was at the park the other dayand I got hit with a Frisbee.
The guy was like, heads up andit hit me in the ankle and I was
like, oh my God, I'm so sorry.
Like I was just in the way of your game.

(02:01):
Like I wasn't, but I'msorry for the inconvenience.
Damn.
Oh, I

Zoe (02:05):
miss you.
How are you?
I miss you too.
It's so nice here.
Is it so

Heather (02:10):
nice?
Are you having the best time?
It's really nice.

Zoe (02:13):
I, yeah.
Tell me about,

Heather (02:14):
tell me about your little solo adventure that
you're, that you took yesterday.

Zoe (02:19):
So, yeah, f Well, for a few days Francesca's been in class, so I
had to do some traveling by myself.
Yesterday I went to Venice by myself.
She dropped me off at the train, and thenit was only a 45 minute train to Venice.

Heather (02:35):
Was it easy, the train, just honestly, it was

Zoe (02:37):
very easy.
You would've been able to do it.
You know what you can't do here,or like you would hate the driving.
It's scary.
Absolutely insane.
Yeah, it is insane.
Yeah, it's totally insane.
Insane.

Heather (02:51):
I wouldn't rent a car.
It's totally

Zoe (02:52):
insane.
Going in and out of weaving the traffic.
I'm like, Heather, one could never, and

Heather (02:57):
two.
Okay, first of all,that's actually so mean.
'cause you've seen medo a lot of maneuvering.
Honestly.
You have been getting

Zoe (03:04):
better, actually.
You have been gettingbetter at the weaving.
But the, no, the peoplehere are just crazy with it.
Yeah.
I, I got scared in asafe car with Francesca.
Um, yeah.

Heather (03:17):
Yeah, it's, it's intense.
I don't really get likewhere that came from.
Like how did one country go like, youknow what, we're gonna have rules and
another country go, no, it's fine.
It's collateral.
It's literally fine.
We got places to go maybe because there's

Zoe (03:28):
only one lane for most of the driving, so you have to like weave
in and out to like get anywhere fastbecause there's lots of slow people.
So you, if you wanna go,you have to weave around.

Heather (03:42):
It just feels like it was, that was clearly not created by a woman.
So definitely.
What are we doing?
Well, I, I was, yesterday I accidentallywalked into a conversation of like four
50-year-old men and they were complain.
Where were you?
At the park.
And they were complaining, uh,they were complaining about the
speed camera down on Parkside.
Yeah.

(04:02):
And like I'm listening to thisconversation about, I'm like,
this is what you guys do.
Like you just are retired and youcome to the park and you complain.
Mm-hmm.
But at some point I was just like.
Wait, what's the problemwith driving the speed limit?
And they're like, oh well, youknow, it's like a long stretch
and it's like forties crazy.
And I'm like, yeah.
I literally said, I was like, oh, asa woman, like this doesn't concern me.

(04:23):
Like I just drive the speed limit.
'cause I'm conscious and empathetic.
But yeah, have a nice day.
I mean, we did get pulledover by the police in Italy.
You did?

Zoe (04:33):
Yeah.
For speeding.
I don't even know.
I think so, but then theyjust like, let us go.
'cause I guess we were like pretty girls.
Yeah.
She just like, I think they told herto renew something like, um, not the
license plate, but maybe the insuranceneeds to be updated or printed out again.

(04:55):
Um, but yeah, I got pretty scaredwhen they pulled us over, but then
they were like chatting and Italian.
They were being so nice.
Like the, you can tell ifit's like, uh, dramatic.
Harsh conversation.
Yeah.
Or if it's like uplifting and niceand I was like, oh, they seem so nice.
And she was like, yeah.
She was

Heather (05:12):
like, and they just cheers their AOL spritzes and you are on your way.

Zoe (05:15):
Exactly.
What did you, what did you just say?
I did have a little non-alcoholicAOL spritz yesterday.
What was it called?

Heather (05:21):
It's called Gino

Zoe (05:22):
Ginger.
No.

Heather (05:24):
Hi, Francesca.

Zoe (05:26):
Stop.
She brought me the chargerso my laptop doesn't die.
Gino.
Yeah.
No, it was so good.
I actually have a photo.
I might post it on the girl and Drunk.
Okay.
I wanted, I don't like Apple.
They brought it over.
I was like, oh, this looksexactly like AOL spurts.
I got a little bit nervous.

Heather (05:42):
Yeah.
Did you say like, isthis non-alcoholic guy?

Zoe (05:46):
Well, I was too late.
The server ran away and thenI was like, Francesca, I
don't know, like what is this?
You need to tell me what it's, and thenshe googled it for me and then I was
like, okay, that's, that's perfect.

Heather (05:55):
Yeah.
Yeah.
You know, I just don'twanna get trapped like that.
That was

Zoe (05:58):
fine.
No, I just need to like havesome reassurance sometimes,
especially 'cause I can't read

Heather (06:02):
anything.
But no one's judged you fordrinking non-alcoholic things.

Zoe (06:08):
Well, she like asked at the nice restaurant we were at last night, um,
do you have any non-alcoholic options?
Or something like that.
And he was just like, no, no, no.

Heather (06:18):
Oh, okay,

Zoe (06:20):
fine.
I was like

Heather (06:21):
that.
That makes sense.
So what are the alcoholic Italians doing?
Like what are they doing?
Are they just drinking Coca-Colaor like water, bubbly water

Zoe (06:29):
probably.
Or like that, that Gino thing was really

Heather (06:32):
good.
Um, yeah, probably,probably lots of coffee.
Probably lots of coffee.
I wonder what the like non-alcoholicmarket is like out there.
Yeah.

Zoe (06:43):
Francesca said that there's not a lot of non-alcoholic wine or beer
options that she's ever seen here.
Mm-hmm.
So it's probably just like notreally a thing to be honest.
Um, yeah, they definitelydrink a lot of coffee though.
Like in the morning we'll havea coffee in the afternoon.
We'll have a coffee afterdinner, we'll have a coffee, a
decaf, just coffee all day long.

Heather (07:02):
I love that.
I love coffee all day.
Mm-hmm.
Um.
The coffee cigarette.
Okay.
You posted something on TikTok andit got taken down that like you're,
you're in Italy, so your breakfast isnow coffee and a cigarette, really?
Or espresso in a cigarette.
It

Zoe (07:15):
got like flagged so it didn't get any views.
And then I think.
Alani just took it down.
'cause she was like, yeah, I don't know.
I guess you can't

Heather (07:24):
show smoking even though this like entire world is like
capitalizing off of vaping.
And I don't know if you're allowedto show vaping either You can
drink, like you can show drinking,but that's not, yeah, it's weird.
I mean that's like, also Ifeel like people are kind of
doing their best with like.

(07:45):
Like make like inclusion and acceptanceand like being, what's the word?
Like sensitive.
Mm-hmm.
Like, instead of saying like, sexualassault, they say like, SHM Malt.
And I'm like, is that better?
Yeah.
Who's that better for?
Like Well, it's just so that theydon't get flagged from TikTok.
I know, but what it, I reallydo wanna know, like what the
thought process is behind changingall these words, like Yeah.

(08:09):
I, I, I, this might get flagged,but saying rape instead of rape.
I'm like, yeah, hold on.
This is a real serious crimethat happens to people.
We're not just sayinglike, he was murdered.
Like, that's insane.
Yeah.
Like they schmick his throat.
No, I've never

Zoe (08:21):
thought about it like that.
No, but that's so true.
Like everyone knows what we're saying.
We may as well justfucking say it like, yeah.
It's weird to I, and I don'tthink that send it anymore.

Heather (08:33):
Yeah, and obviously like we all have our own personal opinions and like
as someone who's like been assaulted, likea lot of women, for me personally, I'm
like, when you say grape or shme, scholt,I'm like, sorry, why are we desensitizing
the thing that happened to me?
Why are we desensitizing?
What happens to women?
Because then when they go.

(08:55):
Like when they tell a cop,it's like, well, are you sure?
Because like we've all heard this wordgoing around, it's like gaslighting.
I'm like, no, it's not like gaslighting.
Actually, it's a crime.
But I digress.
Yeah,

Zoe (09:06):
I guess like they just don't want us to talk about it online and
we find other ways to talk about it,which, yeah, you should just let us
talk about what we wanna say and Yeah.
We have like opinions fora reason, I don't know.
Yeah.

Heather (09:20):
And

Zoe (09:20):
smoking.
Helps.
Well, and it's weirdbecause people get off

Heather (09:23):
alcohol.

Zoe (09:24):
Yeah, I smoke.
I don't drink.
But you can drink all you want online.
Like Alex Earl's downing shots.
Every video.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Oh know.
And I can't have onecigarette on, on TikTok.
I

Heather (09:37):
should have had a wellness shot before we started.
I'm feeling a little.
Like

Zoe (09:41):
that a little.
You know what, I just snapped in the car.
That's nice.
I've been napping in the car eventhough it's stick shift and we're like
bump, like we're going back and forth.
I'm that tired that I've beenlike passing out in the car
every time we're in the car.
I need to sleep like a

Heather (09:56):
baby.

Zoe (09:57):
Maybe it does help me sleep.
'cause it's like a rocking motion.

Heather (10:00):
Yeah.
Maybe.

Zoe (10:01):
Maybe.
And

Heather (10:02):
you're always, you're always just on the public transit
and you can't sleep there or.
Exactly.
And I have been waking up

Zoe (10:09):
like pretty early here 'cause we have like such a busy schedule.

Heather (10:12):
Is she a early riser?
You're a roommate?

Zoe (10:15):
Yeah, she's a pretty early ri Well she woke up at six today to go to the gym.
I did not go to the gym today with her.

Heather (10:22):
Let's talk about fitness addiction.

Zoe (10:24):
Yeah,

Heather (10:25):
man, that's, that's a routine.
Okay.
How is your mental health.

Zoe (10:31):
Oh yeah, my mental health, well, mental health feel like,
of course my mental health setlike a 10 outta 10 right now.
I'm in Italy.
What can I complain about?

Heather (10:41):
Nothing.

Zoe (10:42):
Nothing at all.
I

Heather (10:43):
thought you can't have any complaints in Italy.

Zoe (10:45):
Literally.
It's so nice here.
I can't, I think I need to beback here like every other year.
I'm gonna come and visit her.
It's just, it's so nice.
Yeah.
I will come too.
I wanna, I love Italy.
It's amazing.

Heather (10:58):
It's.
Where in the world.
I was having this thought in my headthe other day, where in the world
do you think you're your best self?

Zoe (11:06):
What an interesting question.
I know.

Heather (11:08):
I was just thinking about it.

Zoe (11:10):
Probably by the beach somewhere.

Heather (11:11):
Yeah, I was gonna say next.
You somewhere near water.

Zoe (11:14):
Somewhere near, even though you won't go in it,

Heather (11:18):
I will.
No, I don't need to go in it.
I just like to be around it.
What do you want be by the

Zoe (11:21):
pool?

Heather (11:24):
Um, yeah, but like, depending on like the, like I'm
not my best self at your pool.
Like I, you know, I'm not my best selfat my dad's pool, but I feel like.
When I went to Italy withmy sister in 2019, yeah.
I was probably my best selfreally, but I was still drinking.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like we had the best time.
We didn't fight.
We like got along so well.

(11:44):
I was like, this is the best.
But I was drinking and then the lasttime we went, which was last October.
Mm-hmm.
I was like, only what?
Like two and a half years?
So no, a year and a half sober.
So no.
Like a year.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I, at first it was okay,but I was like, I was kind of.
Moody, I would say.
Yeah.

(12:04):
And I was like a brat and Istarted a fight like just, and I
think also like go, you remember

Zoe (12:10):
you FaceTimed me that night or you were like texting me a lot?
Oh yeah, probably.
Yeah.
I was

Heather (12:15):
pissed.
But also I think like going ona big trip and the last time I
was there I was drinking a lot.
And so just like being there againwith all of these people around
you drinking and like, I don't evenknow if I like wanted to drink, but
I was just getting like irritated.
Yeah.
But I think that.
I think I could do it again, butKaren said, my sister said that
next time we go on a trip, we haveto bring friends because we can't

(12:39):
spend that much time together.
And I'm like, great, Zoe, let's go.
Perfect.
Did you go back to the same spot as youdid when you were drinking in Italy?
No.
Or was it different?
Okay.
It was different, butlike same vibe, you know?
Same vibe.
Yeah.
Same vibe.
Yeah.

Zoe (12:52):
Yeah.

Heather (12:53):
When do you, and you go to Portugal tomorrow.

Zoe (12:55):
I go to Portugal tomorrow.
I need to check into my flight.
I should have done that before Ijumped on this call, but that's okay.
It's okay.
Um, quick flight.
Yeah.
My mental health is, um, like Ifeel I have no care in the world.
I'm just been galloping aroundItaly and it's been So do you
feel like you have a lot of

Heather (13:12):
energy?

Zoe (13:15):
I mean, I feel like I'm still a little bit tired, like in the car.
Like I'm always napping,but I feel, I feel good.
I feel, yeah, that's good.
Just like at peace.
I'm probably tired justbecause it's so peaceful here.

Heather (13:29):
Yeah.
What do they do?
What do they do?
Their midday naps, what do they called?
Well, all like

Zoe (13:34):
the stores and the restaurants close at two 30 and reopen again at five four.
What's it called?
What is the nap time?

Heather (13:43):
I'm, I'm asking Chacha today.

Zoe (13:44):
I don't, I would ask Francesca if they nap and they
were like, and she said no.
They usually just likechill and have like a break.
Doesn't necessarily mean that they nap.
Sure, sure.

Heather (13:54):
You're not like forced by the government to close your little eyes.
Yeah.
Arianne, do you know the word?
Mm-hmm.
Anne's here.
Siesta.
Siesta.
Thank you.
Anne Siesta.
Did you hear her?
She's in my ears.

Zoe (14:07):
I heard her too.

Heather (14:08):
Okay.
So cute.
Um.
My mental health is fine.
Actually, I was, yeah.
How it back in Toronto.
It's good.
It's um, the weather is really nice.
Nice.
It's like really confusing.
It's like freezing in the morning andthen it's so hot, so it's like mm-hmm.
Soaking in those last,I can feel it leaving.
Mm-hmm.
I'm just trying to keep it,but my mental health is good.

(14:30):
I got microneedling two days ago.
Yes.
And that it's like, notnecessarily mental health, but
it is self-care, so that counts.
But honestly, like I am a little red.
Also this shirt is like scratchya little bit, but a little bit

Zoe (14:43):
irritating on it.

Heather (14:44):
But I look good.
I did.
I did my face, my neck, mychest, and my hands did it all.
Baby.
I did it all.
And I just, I wanna be, I justwanna be young and fresh, but
I'm not wearing makeup right now.
I'm just really tight.
But I have a tinted sunscreen on.
Yeah, that's really fun.
Microneedling.
I just made a TikTok about it.

(15:04):
It's, I can't wait to see fun.
It did hurt though, like I needed, itdidn't hurt that bad, but then when I
did my chest, my chest was like, thenumbing had worn off, so I was like.
It's just kind of like a tattoo.
If you've gotten like a tattooand anything filled in, it's
like going over the same spotand I'm like, I'm a human being.

Zoe (15:22):
Like, it's honestly like the sound is worse than the feeling.
I feel.
You know, the soundlike the buzzing sound.
Yeah.
Just seems like it's gonna be somuch worse than it actually is.
Yeah.
Um.

Heather (15:34):
But it's good.
It's really fun.

Zoe (15:35):
Soundless.
If it was soundless, maybe it wouldhurt less psychologically, you know?

Heather (15:40):
Yeah.
Maybe also, if it were like apredominantly like male procedure, it
would hurt feel, you'd feel nothing.
You'd be like fully injected withlidocaine and you would just be,
and then you'd take a nap forseven days and wake up like a baby.

Zoe (15:52):
I mean, I feel like there's lots of men who do micro kneeling for acne scars.
Yeah, but you probably at like 25.
Percent men for micro kneeling.

Heather (16:01):
Yeah, but they're not, they're just not like out about their
beauty treatments, you know, needto be No, I want them to be though.
I know they need to be.
They really be.
Men's skin is important too.
But apparently men age betterbecause they shave their face
and so it's like exfoliating.

Zoe (16:19):
Yeah, I heard that too.
Which is, should we just, well,I guess we derma plane our face.

Heather (16:25):
Yeah, we derma plane our face.
I do shave my chin every day.
What are we gonna do about that?
Um.
But yeah, my mental health is good.
I feel I was, I had therapy yesterday andmy therapist was like, you seem lighter.
Like you seem likeyou're in a better mood.
I'm like, yeah, honestly, mayor, Ican't tell if this is like happy or
if this is mania, but I do feel good.

(16:46):
So I don't know.
I feel like.
I, I had two meetings yesterdaythat went really, really well.
I'm excited about that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm excited for you to come back,like things are fucking moving.
It's cool.
Yeah.
I felt really professional yesterdayand I just feel like, yeah, I
think confident things are okay.
Things are okay.
Yeah, I'm kind of ready for likethis next chapter and like whatever

(17:09):
it brings me, which I think isjust gonna be very podcast focused.
Mm-hmm.
But I'm excited about that.
You know me, I will say, I willsay that like sitting in sad
feelings is like not the vibe.
It's sucks.
Like I really have just been like gettingup and getting out of the house and
like staying at the park really lateand like, well, really late, like seven.

(17:31):
Yeah.
I've just been, and I've been doing stuffand it's nice and it is really true.
You gotta get up and get out.

Zoe (17:38):
Yeah, we, you didn't feel sadness before.
You know, like feelingsadness is such like a luxury.
I like to say like, before I neverfelt sad, like I didn't feel anything
like feeling these feelings andactually like processing emotions.

Heather (17:54):
That's a luxury to me.
It is a luxury.
You're right.
It is.
Because before I would've justbeen drinking the whole time.
Yeah.
And then probably like textinghim and being like, wait, great.
I love you.
But like not feeling like, youknow, it just wouldn't be real.
Yeah.
And no, just upsetting.
Yeah, that was the life I was living inbefore I'm like, anything I ever said
to anyone was just drunk, and so like Inever meant anything I said, or I really

(18:18):
did, but I said it in the wrong time.
Yeah, I feel like you're right.
Processing these emotions, it isa luxury and I'm doing a pretty
good job, so Yeah, like I'm proudof myself for that, you know?

Zoe (18:30):
Heck yeah.
No, you seem good.
You feel solid and.
Thought you would be missing me more.
I do miss you actually.
Like no,

Heather (18:38):
I do miss you.
Like it is so funny how much, how muchof my life you're a part of and when
you're not here I'm like, oh, likethere's a full missing piece in my life.
Like everything I do, I like wakeup, I'm like, did Zoe text me?
And then I'm like, let's talk aboutInstagram and then like podcast.
And then I'm obviously at the clinic.
It's so fun.
Boxing.
I'm boxing.

(18:58):
Without you, I know you're gonnagonna be so strong when I'm back.
Fuck.
Yes.
Yeah.
Amazing.
Okay, so you brought thisup to me, but mm-hmm.
When did this happen?
It was a few days ago.
I think it was like earlier in the week.
Do you like Lo won?
Have you like listened

Zoe (19:17):
to her music?
Well,

Heather (19:18):
now that I know who she is, like yeah.
Yes, I know, like, yeah, I do knowher music, but I, when you said
it to me, I was like, who is that?
Right.
But I guess she's just not, you know,

Zoe (19:27):
the music, you didn't know what her name was.

Heather (19:29):
No.
Right.

Zoe (19:30):
No.
Yeah,

Heather (19:30):
but she sing.
And I'm too messy.
I'm too messy.
I'm too fucking clean.
I really like those Brits.
I really like British.
Yeah, musicians.
They're just so I do too.
Cool.
They are really cool.

Zoe (19:48):
They seem like, just like they got.
A different vibe that like,I feel, I watch they do

Heather (19:55):
well and they're heroes.
They're like music history over there.
Mm-hmm.
Is just mm-hmm.
The Amy Winehouse, Imean, queen, all of it.
The Beaties, all of 'em.
But mm-hmm.
I, um, we did see a few days agoshe was at, what is it called?
I just had it here.

Zoe (20:12):
I don't know what, where she was performing.
I just know that she had fallen

Heather (20:15):
down.
I'll tell you right now.
Oh.
She was at the All Things Go MusicFestival in Queens, New York.
Oh, okay.
Um, on September 27th.
And she, she's performing on stage.
I've seen the video, I'm sureit's still up on TikTok, but she's
performing on stage and she kind oflooks to whoever's in front of her
and like she's mouthing, like, I'mgonna pass out or I'm gonna faint.

(20:36):
Mm-hmm.
And she honestly looks fine.
Like she doesn't look.
Does look fine.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So like to have the likemental awareness of like.
Into, I mean, I'm like that whenI'm like, I'm okay right now.
I'm gonna go throw upand I'll be right back.
But she just, yeah, she must

Zoe (20:50):
like know her body a lot and like this has obviously been happening a
lot for her to know her body that well,

Heather (20:56):
you know?
Yeah.
But she looks over at whoever's sidestage and she's like, I'm gonna faint,
and then she drops her mic and justcrashes on our back to the ground.
Mm-hmm.
That was kind of rough towatch, to be honest with you.

Zoe (21:09):
Like it was for me too.
Like I don't usuallywatch stuff like that.
Like

Heather (21:14):
yeah,

Zoe (21:15):
when the Charlie got shot, I didn't watch it.
Like I don't You didn't?
No.
Oh, I didn't, I didn't.
I don't incent it to everyone.
I don't like watch shit like that.
Like when people get injured in football.
I don't like to watch the replays.
I don't wanna see anything.
Like that, it gets me grossed out.
Yeah.
But I didn't know it was gonna happen,so I was just like watching like,

(21:37):
oh, cool, Lola scrolling, TikTok.
And then I saw her pass out.
I was like, oh, I didnot expect to see that.
Holy shit.

Heather (21:43):
Yeah.
I don't really know what that passingout is like, I guess when you're,
and, and she never, she didn'toutright say like, today I'm on drugs.
But yeah, she has spent time inrehab before in 2024 for cocaine use.
She also, during her set.
She said something like, I'vehad a tricky couple of days.
Sometimes life can really makeyou feel like you can't continue.

(22:05):
Mm-hmm.
But you know what?
Today I woke up and I made the decisionto come here, and I want it to be cool.
And sometimes life can throw you lemonsand you just gotta make lemonade.
And reading that, I do feel like thething of like I wanted to be cool
is so me and being like, no, no.
So relatable.
So relatable because mm-hmm.

(22:26):
To me, that kind of feels like.
I, I just, I didn't wanna be a problem.
I didn't wanna be a problem for everybody.
I wanted it to be fine.
I wanted to be cool like everybody else.
I just wanted to make it work.
Of course, now you're like reallyputting your health, not even
just mental health, but your fullhealth in danger and I get that.

Zoe (22:48):
Yeah.
Where did she say that?
Did she say that on Instagram or?
No.
Well, she said that on stage.
On stage, okay.
Yeah.
Earlier in her set.
Yeah.
I mean like, and being a performerand she did get famous, right?
So quick.
Yeah.
Like the rise was really quick.
I don't know if she'd been singing for awhile before that, but to be that popular
all of a sudden, and then to think thatyou like all these fans so much to, yeah.

(23:13):
Sacrifice your mental andphysical health for your fans.
It's like, yeah, fanscan be crazy and be like.
I can't believe you canceledthe show, blah, blah, blah.
Yeah.
Like, and that's justwhere humanity sucks.
And you should always be puttingthe person ahead of a show,
you know, for three hours.

Heather (23:34):
Yeah, I know.
It's, I

Zoe (23:34):
think you always need to put yourself first.
And as a new singer, I'm surethat's like really difficult.

Heather (23:41):
I wonder.
What the, what the majorityof the feedback is.
'cause you're right,people will be pissed.
Yeah, of course.
Like if you're buying, if you'rebuying a plane ticket or you're
driving or you're whatever, you'rebuying tickets to this show.
Yeah.
And she did say, she was like,you'll obviously be refunded.
Like, I don't know if thatusually happens for concerts.
Like I, I'm not sure how it works,but like the way saying like you'll

(24:03):
obviously be refunded is almost like.
She knows people are mad at her.
Like, you'll obviously be offendedbefore anything happens before
I even take care of myself.
Mm-hmm.
Like, I wanna let you knowthat your money is fine.
Yeah.
Like, it seems defensive

Zoe (24:15):
too.
It's like, don't worry.
I'm like, def Yeah.
It feels defensive and it seems likeshe obviously is feeling really bad
if she's being like that, you know?
Yeah.
Uh, but I don't know, like I wassupposed to go to a concert when COVID
happened and then it got canceledand I never got my money back.
I wanted to say it was theneighborhood, but I really don't

(24:37):
think it was the neighborhood.

Heather (24:38):
I wonder if there's like, I, if there's different, well, 'cause you
know how some like flights are like this.
Like if a flight iscanceled because of weather.
Yeah.
Then you don't get your money back becauseit's like God or something like God
it's a God insurance or something weird.
Like they don't, it's likenatural, natural occurrences.

(25:01):
I don't know why I said God.

Zoe (25:02):
I know that was funny.
I liked it though.
I don't, I don't even know was God's

Heather (25:07):
fault.
Yeah.
I'm like, does God control the weather?

Zoe (25:11):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I guess in your brain andyour God controls the weather
and I think that's fine.

Heather (25:16):
Yeah.
In my brain, whatever God is outthere is just like doing daily tasks.
Weather, nature, yourGod is Mother Nature.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's kind of true I think.
Yeah, there.
Yeah.
Okay.
Well then in that case, God's a woman.

Zoe (25:29):
My God is a woman.
My God is just like everything.
Yeah.
Spiritualness.
Sobriety.
Sobriety.
My God is a witch.
Well,

Heather (25:40):
it is.
October.
We do have to talk aboutspooky, sober and spooky season.
Yeah.
I need to point out rightnow that I have the lime one.
Oh, see, I'm really jealous becauseI don't have any fun drinks.
I have fun drinks.
I like the lime one.
This is the ridge, right?
No.
Yeah.
Is it?
I feel like I'd like a lime anything.

(26:02):
Yeah.
Yeah, I do too.
It's just like refreshing,jealous, and easy.
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
Just so everyone, this issap sucker, the lime one.
So good.

Zoe (26:10):
So

Heather (26:10):
good.

Zoe (26:11):
I like how they have like the lime one, the lemon one.
It's just like so easy.
You kind of like, it's cool.
It's just this one.
It's fine.
Like it, like it.
Okay.
Um, maybe I'll get Francescato bring me a Coca-Cola.
Francesca, I'm ready for my Coca-Cola.
Bring me my co The cat

Heather (26:31):
is just like looking at me and will not come up and hang out.
Well, well, maybe you haveto speak to it in Italian.
It's an Italian cat.
Um, I think it's really cutethat like chow babies and animals
speak different languages.
Yes.
Like the fact that there are babiesaround there and they're speaking

(26:52):
Italian is like so cute to me.
And I also like, duh.
But I love that.
That's true.
I love that.
Um, so a day before the, what'sit called, anything goes?
Is that what it's called?
All things go.
All things go a day.
Before she had pulled out, shehad canceled her performance.
Her manager had like.
Pulled her out and like, said that likeshe is just not a good time for her.

(27:17):
Like she just, um, dueto a sensitive matter.
Mm. Which is like just the day beforeand then you're going to perform the
next day and you're like, I didn'twanna go but I wanted to be cool.
I wanted to this to work.
And it's like, who is behind the scenes?
Right.
We talk about this all the time.
You pulled her from herconcert the night before.

(27:37):
Yeah.
For a sensitive matter.
And then she's just.
Okay to go back on.
Mm-hmm.

Zoe (27:44):
I had hangovers and like sprees of like a week where I
felt like complete shit and was
the cats just

Heather (27:55):
jumped up there.
Oh my God.
This is, do that literallyfrom the ground up there.
My cat, maybe the cat is sober.
Hi.
Oh.
The cat is definitely is over.
Say hi.
Hi.
Oh.
Oh God.

(28:16):
Hi.
Excuse me ma'am, do youhave anything to contribute?
Oh God.
Okay.
Sorry,

Zoe (28:24):
what were we talking about?
Um, no, so my hangovers would takeweeks sometimes and I think like
they were just like hoping that.
Whatever was going on with her wasjust gonna be a quick turnaround.
But no, that's not how addiction works.
We are our rock bottomand like our hangover.

(28:45):
Or what if she was doing drugs?
Yeah.
Uh, like the come down is a lot longerthan 24 hours for the most part.

Heather (28:53):
And that's the thing, right?
If that's what it was.
Assuming.
So it's like in orderfor Lola to be able to.
Perform the next day.
She took the day, she took the day offbefore in order for her to perform.
What the fuck do you thinkshe's gonna have to do?
Mm-hmm.
To get on stage, to get out ofbed, to get herself there, to warm

(29:14):
up, to put on makeup and clothes.
What do we think she's gonna have to do?
Like, she's not better just becauseshe took the day off yesterday.

Zoe (29:22):
And yeah, it takes a lot more to recover than just 24
hours for a lot of the time.
If you are.

Heather (29:30):
Yeah, and also like recover.
Yeah.
There's no recover.
Like she's going to take moresubstances because she's in it.
I don't know.
Sometimes I feel like.
I wonder like, are they mad at her?
Like if, if someone is an artistand they're like doing drugs
and they're fucking up and, andfucking up respectfully, obviously.

(29:51):
Mm, but in their eyes are theylike, oh my God, this is bullshit.
Just get on stage.
Like, we booked you, you have todo this, you have to handle it.
But I kind of feel like maybethey need to reassess, like people
who, who like artists and stuff,like there's probably going to be.
Drugs involved.
Drugs and alcohol andpartying and bad behavior.
That's just like kind of part of it.

(30:13):
And they're not bad people,it's just the industry.
So I'm kind of like, I feel like you needto reset your expectations a little bit.

Zoe (30:22):
I don't know.
Well, I think it comes back to likethey want to get the most amount
of money out of these people.
Like they're only employedbecause this person goes on stage.
I'm sure she's.
I am sure she wants to go on stagefor not only the fans, but for the

(30:42):
people that she employs as well.
So it's like a tough battle.
That doesn't mean her employees arebad people, but it's just like a hard
line of like, can she go up there?
Yeah.
But like, no, you, we need to, it's 2025.
Yeah.
If people are struggling,they cannot go on stage.

Heather (31:01):
No.

Zoe (31:02):
Period.
Like, yeah, they'll be able to makemoney after the fact, hopefully.
But we'll talk about that too, becauseshe is a woman and people don't, yeah.

Heather (31:14):
And I do wonder, right.
That's one of my questions, like, what dowe think this is gonna do to her career?
I, I mean, and I, I would neverwanna say anything like, oh,
it's gonna, she might be fine.
Like, she's a very talented girl,but, and she is young, I think, right?
She's 24 years old.
She's a child.
She's a child.
Going back to like wanting to bethere for her fans, wanting to mm-hmm.

(31:37):
Work in order for everyone whoworks for her to make money.
Mm-hmm.
That's a fuck ton of pressure ona 24-year-old woman, and she's so
young, you don't understand, like,you don't under, I don't understand.
No one really understands the,the butterfly effect of like
what you do and what you're.
What you're allowed to say, how you'reallowed to stand up for yourself at 24.

(32:00):
Yeah.
I'm assuming she's justthinking like, oh, I fucked up.
Mm-hmm.
Everyone's gonna hate me andlike, now I have to go to rehab.

Zoe (32:09):
Assuming, I mean, I think that since we are becoming more accepting
as a society, I think that like ifshe heals properly in rehab and she
comes back, it could be like a reallycool like story for her and yeah.
Platform to show sobrietyand to show addiction.
I think it's like a realopportunity for her.

(32:31):
But, um, we know I cannot with

Heather (32:35):
this cat what

Zoe (32:37):
is going on today.
He's literally just doinglaps like around the balcony.
He's obviously.
Hopefully like she can getsober and she can get healthy
so that she can be that support.
Yeah.
Um, I obviously think that sheprobably feels a lot of shame and
guilt right now, but like she's doingthe best thing for herself right now.

(32:58):
She totally, she needs this,

Heather (33:00):
you know what I was thinking?
I wonder she probably should go to rehab.
Um.
Everyone should go to rehab.
Rehab's literally thebest thing in the world.
So go.
But um, I agree still.
I
cat

(33:20):
look at what you, meanwhile, I'mso worried that Anne's gonna get
mad at me because Nike's here.
Did you see that happen?
Maryanne?
If anything, this willbe very funny to clip.

Zoe (33:35):
Oh no.
I didn't even know that I was dirty.

Heather (33:39):
Yeah, everywhere.
Oh, oh my God.
Is there dirt just alldown your shirt right now?

Zoe (33:49):
I think so.

Heather (33:50):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Okay, so that was a little bit

Zoe (33:52):
chaotic.
This is chaos,

Heather (33:55):
but this is Italy.
What are we expecting

Zoe (33:58):
everyone?
I think the cat was just too, too wild up.
Yeah, I think I was like giving himtoo much entertainment because I was
like laughing at him and he kept going.
He liked

Heather (34:09):
it.
He liked, he liked, he likes tobe, he likes to be charismatic.
Um, Lola Young, I think she willprobably be bringing herself to rehab.
Yeah.
I wonder.
Well, she said, what didshe say on her story?
She said, so something like, yeah.
She said she'll be, I'llbe going away for a bit.
Yeah.
And I'll be back when I'mlike, better, whatever.

(34:31):
Um, and like, I'm sorryto my fans and everything.
Yeah.
But I think, um, I don't know.
This is one of those things where it'slike, ah, is she ready to go to rehab
or did she just fall down on stage?
You know, like, I know I, I, I mean.
She can, she might, she might go torehab and be like, this is amazing love
sobriety, and go right back into her job.

(34:52):
But it, it, it is one of those thingsthat we're seeing often where people, and
again, after watching the Charlie Sheeninterview or the doc just going like,
in and out, in and out, in and out, andI'm like, yeah, she's a young girl who
wants to keep her music career going.
Mm-hmm.
Well, you think.
She was, she's gonna wannastay 30 days in a rehab.
And I think about thatnow with all celebrities.

(35:15):
I'm like, oh, why didn't theyjust stay the full 60 days or
three months, or even 30 days?
They like leave at 25 days.
But I'm like, right because.
They have stuff to

Zoe (35:25):
like get back to.
Yeah,

Heather (35:27):
and, and I wonder like in Hollywood and stuff like that, or in
the music world, it's like if you're outfor 30 days, like there's a new Sabrina
Carpenter coming around the corner, likeyou are so fucking replaceable that like,
I don't know if you feel like you can staya whole 30 days, mind you, if you don't.
You're probably gonna relapse.

(35:47):
Like a big part of rehab islike sticking out those days.
Right.
And like actually putting your life onpause and separating your life from your
mental health and being like, okay, wegotta take care of number one before
we can take care of everyone else.
Yeah.
You know?
Well, I think you,

Zoe (36:03):
she can't be thinking like, oh, I'm just gonna be replaced.
If she thought of it like that, thenshe would never heal in rehab, you know?
Mm-hmm.
If she actually heals properly inrehab and comes back and doesn't do
and like actually is better, then herfans will stick around like totally.
She's an amazing artist and peoplelike really love her and love her

(36:25):
whole vibe, not just her music,like love who she is as a person.
She's hilarious.
Yeah, so I think that.
If she has that mindset and if anyone likehas the mindset of like, oh, I'm gonna be
replaced at my job, I'm gonna be replacedin my relationship if I go to do this
thing, then that's like your, you can'thave that mindset 'cause you'll never be

(36:46):
better in rehab if you have that mindset.

Heather (36:48):
No.
When you go to rehab.
It really, and of course it'sgonna be different for everybody.
Like when I went into rehab,I didn't even have a job.
Like, you know, I had nothingto lose at that point.
But a lot of people do and I.But I, I, I do think you have to
just let, like, let them Yeah.
Like really just give in and like Yeah.

(37:11):
Give in to the

Zoe (37:11):
experience, for sure.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think like, I hadnothing to lose either.
I had no boyfriend, I had no job either.
I had like almost no friendsor family, like mm-hmm.
I just, yeah, you really justhave to like give in to what they
tell you and act like a baby andthen like you'll actually love it.
Like just be baby for a month,

Heather (37:31):
please just be baby.
And, and then, and then also, Idon't know, what if it does happen?
Like what if you do lose your job?
What if you do lose your relationshipthen it wasn't meant to be

Zoe (37:41):
because yeah.
If you're gonna lose a job becauseyou go to rehab, then like, fuck that.
You don't want that job.
Like you don't want that relationshipif he's gonna cheat on you in rehab.
That'd be crazy.
That would be insane.
Oh, would it be crazy?
I mean, if

Heather (37:58):
you're going to rehab, you probably have already cheated on him.
I mean, I kind of think, okay, hold on.
I'm gonna say something and Imight believe it and I might not.
Mm. Yeah, I do.
If someone goes to rehab, like yourpartner goes to rehab, depending on what
that situation is, it would make sense tome that the person that's at home cheats.

(38:21):
Like I,

Zoe (38:22):
I'm just, it depends on like what the relationship is.
Like if it's like a toxicrelationship, maybe.
But if it's like a marriageand like the wife is just like
having like a little slip.
Like was hiding it and theirmarriage is good for the most part.
She just like has this huge, massivesecret that she's been keeping.

Heather (38:42):
Yeah, sure.
Okay.
If it's like, not if it's justlike, oops, she's drinking too
much, let's send her to rehab.
But I'm assuming usually in relationshipswhen one person is like, have
has like a substance use problem.
It's not, the relationship is not great.
Yeah.
I just don't think it can be.
I, I, there's

Zoe (39:00):
other, yeah, but if your significant other is going to rehab,
then yeah, the partner at homeshould be like, so happy that they're
going and like, not cheat on her.

Heather (39:08):
No, no, no.
And I think, like, I wouldn'tsay, yeah, if your partner goes
to rehab, go out and cheat.
I'm just saying, I get whyit would happen because.
This whole big thing.
You know, drugs, especially if it'sdrugs are so polarizing to everyone's
families and you just went throughthis big thing and now your partner's
in rehab and that's really stressful.
Rehab is like a lot for peoplewho've never been to rehab or don't

(39:30):
know anyone who's been to rehab.
Yeah.
And so you're kind oftraumatized too in some cases.
And then if, I don't know if I'm like,you're gone for 30, 60, 90 days and I.
I'm like pretty mad at you like you'vebeen doing drugs around our baby.
Like, yeah, I, I see how it could happen.

(39:51):
You can call

Zoe (39:52):
each other

Heather (39:52):
though.
Not everywhere.
Not everywhere.
I, I'm not saying go out andcheat, I'm just saying that if

Zoe (39:59):
it has happened, I don't understand.
I put my mind into it as well.
I, I think I can only see it happening ifit's like a very toxic relationship where
like they're both fucking each other up.
I think if like the other onewasn't fucking up at all and then.
The significant other goes to rehab, thenI Why would she, why would they cheat?
They, I would be really happy if.
My significant other finallychose to go to rehab.

Heather (40:22):
I dunno if everyone is super happy when they're,
when they're part has go.
'cause you think that rehab islike, so, like, looked below upon?
Yeah, I think so.
I mean, obviously not for me.
I literally love rehab.
Yeah.
I'll go again if I want to, but,um, yeah, I think it, it was, I
mean, it was very hard for me totell people I was going to rehab.
I didn't know anyone who'd gone to rehab.

(40:43):
Yeah.
So it did feel very big and scary.
Mm-hmm.
I, I mean, I know people, I was inrehab with people whose spouses were
like, pretty pissed off at them.
Still, like pretty, like she'sin rehab and like, you know.
Yeah.
They're happy that of course people arehappy that you go and, but I don't know.

(41:03):
I just, I think that the person at home,I, I wonder what it's like to be them.
Yeah.
It's interesting 'cause

Zoe (41:09):
yeah, if you could be in rehab and having a whole rehab
relationship and then the person

Heather (41:15):
at home

Zoe (41:15):
doesn't,

Heather (41:16):
you know?
Yeah.
It's so scary.
It's so scary.
Like being in a relationship withsomeone who has an addiction is just
so like touch and go all the time.
You're like, where are you?
What have you done?
What have you lied about?
I guess we're just starting fresh.
Like, yeah.
Hello.
I actually

Zoe (41:29):
had a dream that my boyfriend relapsed in Portugal like two days ago.

Heather (41:35):
Oh, that's a shit dream.
Did you wake up in there and like.
Immediately go.
Okay, nevermind.
It's fine.

Zoe (41:41):
Yeah.
Kind of.
So stressful.
So stressful.
And I woke up at like 6:00 AM so like,and then I just went back to bed.
But that was not,

Heather (41:51):
hopefully, that's not like a sign.
I don't think it's a sign.
It's just like a, it's probablyjust like a a, it's a nervous thing.
It's a stress thing.
'cause you're That's true.
You're handling your addiction over there.
There's like alcohol spritzes around.
Even if you're not like, superaffected, it's still on your mind.

Zoe (42:04):
Yeah.

Heather (42:05):
He's coming now.
That's two of you who haveto handle your addiction.
It's a lot, you know?

Zoe (42:09):
Yeah.
It's also the first time youguys have traveled together.
Worried.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So hopefully

Heather (42:14):
he's

Zoe (42:14):
Okay.
Cool.

Heather (42:16):
He's gonna be great.
Don't realize he's gonna be so, he's gonnabe, he's gonna be running all the time.
He's gonna love it.
Um, so Doce.
Mm-hmm.
And Doce sober.
And I found this to be like an interestingnote that after Lola performed, Doce
performed and she like took a pause tosay like, Lola is an amazing artist,

(42:36):
and like, I just wish the best for her.
Like, let's all wish the bestfor her and hope she's like,
mm. Back on her feet, you know?
I also did not love how theydragged Lola off stage, by the way.
I didn't love that.
Did you see that?
I don't think I watched the whole clip.
Okay.
Because after she fell, I was like,

Zoe (42:53):
oh,

Heather (42:53):
well, they like.
Propped her.
Like they weekend up Bernies her andlike kind of dragged her off the stage.
And I was like, I think, I thinkI might've seen that actually.
Yeah.
Like get one of thosethings and lift her up.
They get a gurney.
There are like paramedics everywhere.
Like we're not dragging people.
She's a little girl.
Yeah.
At

Zoe (43:10):
music festivals they have like a lot of paramedics there.
They should have done somethinglike that because Yeah, she
could have like broke her back.
That fall was

Heather (43:19):
crazy.
She could have slammed her head.
Yeah, it could have been horrible.
And if she's on drugs, that's not good.
But that's

Zoe (43:24):
cool that Doci said something.
I didn't know that she did that.
Um, yeah.
And it is cool that, didyou listen to her new album,

Heather (43:31):
DOCI?
Yeah.
No, I'm busy, but I will.
Okay.
But Doce has been very open about hersobriety and writing her last album,
and I'm like, okay, I like this.
I like that Doce is here.
Maybe they'll become friends.
Like maybe, yeah.
Maybe there are other enoughpeople that are addicts that are
sober that can reach out to her.

(43:51):
I think in sobriety you feel so,or in sobriety, in addiction,
you feel so alone all the time.
Mm-hmm.
And I think that maybe we're movinginto a place where it's like.
Hey, I was also an addict and I'm openabout it, so come over to my house.
You know, like that'sliterally all I want.
That's all

Zoe (44:09):
I want for these celebrities to like have more people to talk to about, yeah.
How, I guess like I was isolating.
It would feel like to be stuck as likean artist and have this problem, but have
to feel like they have to go on stage.
Yeah.
Oh my God.
Imagine being fucked upand going on a stage.
No,

Heather (44:27):
I was thinking that.
I was literally thinkinglike, have you ever.
Been in a situation where you're toodrunk to be there and you're like, fuck.
I mean, yeah.
I mean,

Zoe (44:39):
I figure skated high when I was in high school, and that was like crazy.
Like I'm pretty sure I must havethrown up a couple times at skating
because I was like, wait, too.

Heather (44:50):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh, interesting.
You were skating, you were smokingweed when you were still skating?

Zoe (44:55):
Yeah.
Oh, okay.
Like I wasn't as competitive as.
Like grade nine, grade, likeup to grade 10, let's say.
I was pretty competitive after grade 10.
Weed and alcohol took over and I wasn'tas competitive, but I would still skate
for like fun, do like a competitionhere and there, but not as serious.
So at that point I was just like.

(45:17):
Whatever,

Heather (45:17):
smoking weed after school, then going to skating.
I know, I'm trying to think ifthere was ever like an event.
It just seems like that would've,but I feel like, I mean, I was doing
everything drunk, but I wasn't,I wasn't c successful enough.
Enough to be, yeah.

Zoe (45:33):
I wasn't conscious of how drunk I or high I was getting until
like the next morning that I likewoke up from a blackout and I was
like, oh shit, I fucked it up.
God, God, like at the moment you feel likeyou're, you're, you can do anything that
you're, have a superpower over everybody.
But then, yeah, you wakeup the next morning and you
realize you are not a super.

(45:53):
You didn't have any superpower to this?
No.
You're

Heather (45:55):
literally just a drunk asshole.
Yeah,

Zoe (45:57):
literally just a drunk asshole.

Heather (45:58):
Arianne and I once, I think we were together, we were in San Francisco
and we were working with this dancer,and she got up on stage to say thank you.
She was hosting the eventand there's donors there.
There's like rich people.
There's all these people and she is.
Fucked up out of her mind.
She's so drunk and we're the wholenight we're like, oh, she's drunk early.

(46:20):
And this was before likeI really had a problem.
I was like more in my eatingdisorder at this time.
Yeah.
And then when she went to get up onstage, we were all watching her from
the back and she is swaying and sheis talking and won't stop talking.
And nothing she is saying makes any sense.
And I remember watching that being like.
Oh, fuck.
See, this is a problem.
Yeah, this is a problem.

(46:40):
But then I went, oh, well ifI'm never drunk in front of
people on a stage, I'm fine.
Like, I'm not doing that.
I'm, yeah, yeah.
But, oh man, that's crazy.
What a ding.
I don't think,

Zoe (46:50):
um, yeah, I don't think I was like, I don't know.
I guess like at work, obviously.
Yeah.
Going to work drop.
I know

Heather (46:59):
those are the I, the things I remember are like the conversations and
like being really, really animated in aconversation and then just, oh God, like
in front of my parents just being, oh God,no, I'm just having horrible flashbacks.
So I asked Francesca,

Zoe (47:14):
who I'm staying with.
Mm-hmm.
I'm staying with her family in Italy,and I asked her like, what the most.
Horrible moment.
It was for like seeing me drunk andthe one that she brought up first was,
I guess I must have been in like firstor second year, like this is pretty
long ago, but we were at some bar andI just like got too drunk obviously.

(47:41):
And she meant this like really cuteIrish man and they were talking.

Heather (47:46):
Mm-hmm.

Zoe (47:46):
And I was.
Really drunk, like falling over.
I was smoking a cigarette and likerunning across the street, almost got
hit by a car, so she had to come andchase me like just I was a runner.
When I was drinking.

Heather (48:00):
Yeah.

Zoe (48:00):
So she was like trying to take care of me and then trying
to be like flirty with this guy.
And she obviously wantedto hook up with this guy.
Yeah.
But I was the biggest cock block ever forher because she was like, I, I can't, I'm
sorry, I need to take care of my friend.
But I guess that guy walked.
Us both home to her house.
'cause I slept over at her house thatnight and I guess she was just like

(48:24):
mad that she couldn't hook up withthat guy 'cause she really wanted to.

Heather (48:28):
No, he should have just come in

Zoe (48:30):
and then you in the corner somewhere.
I was like.
She knew that I was probably gonnabe throwing up all night and yeah.
Oh,

Heather (48:38):
had

Zoe (48:39):
second time, the second story that she told me, the second time, I guess
I was calling everybody in my phonebeing like, I'm gonna kill myself.
I'm gonna kill myself.
Perfect.
And then, and she was at work.
And she like didn't know what to do, but Iguess my parents had called the ambulance

(49:00):
and then the ambulance took me to thehospital and then when she got off work
at like 11:00 PM she came straight tothe hospital and spent the night with me.
Oh, I barely remember that to be honest.
But I do, we went to Franceat like 5:00 AM when they let
me out, um, for breakfast.
Perfect.
Yeah, I remember alittle bit of that part.
I really don't remember like hercoming to the hospital to like

(49:21):
save me, but that's really sweet.

Heather (49:24):
Oh my God, it's surpri.
Yeah.
I mean, it's surprising that she did that.
She's like, I'm gonna spend the nexthowever many hours not sleeping.
Yeah, yeah.
Like Liz, Zoe.
Damn.
That's a good friend.
That is a good friend.
Yeah.
Did you guys ever break up?

Zoe (49:37):
No.
No?
Okay.
That's nice.
She's in school now to be a nurse,and I really think that like she
really just like wants to help people.
She understands what addictionis, especially knowing me,
like I think she, yeah.
She knew that I was agood person in mm-hmm.
My core, but I just did crazyshit when I was drinking.

(49:58):
Um, totally.

Heather (49:59):
How did you feel when she was telling you those things?

Zoe (50:02):
Well, I was scared it was gonna be something worse,
like me peeing on her couch.
Oh, did you do that?
I think so,

Heather (50:08):
yeah.
Probably.
Or a peer?
Probably.

Zoe (50:10):
Yeah.

Heather (50:11):
That was like your whole thing.
That was your more

Zoe (50:13):
L-O-R-E-I dunno why like peeing is so much more like.
Shameful to me than like running in thestreet and ending up in the hospital.
Like the peeing is where the shame is.
Well, I

Heather (50:24):
think it's crazy 'cause you're unconscious.
It's like, you like that's so scary.
Like you can't control your bladder.
Like you can't control throwing upeither, but at least you're like
aware when it's happening just tolike wake up and pee is like, whoa,
my body just took over in the night.
That's scary.
Yeah, I know.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's like, it's like whathappens to people, dead people.

(50:45):
Yeah, I just let all of theirfluids go literal, let it

Zoe (50:48):
all toxins outta me.
But yeah, I think I didn't, Idon't even know if I remembered her
coming to the hospital that day.
So do you remember the

Heather (50:58):
Irishman

Zoe (50:59):
story?
No,

Heather (51:01):
not at all.
Interesting.

Zoe (51:02):
Okay.
I don't remember anything.
Oh my God.
But that actually, I must havebeen like 18 when that happened.
Like I, that must have been assoon as I like moved to the city.

Heather (51:10):
Yeah.
Well, I mean, the thing with Anne, whenAnne told me that one night, she'll come
on the pod soon, but when she told me theone night where our friendship broke up,
I didn't fucking remember any of that.
And then even my friend Paige, whenshe said like, we went to a coffee shop
together and like had a conversation.
Like I wasn't drunk, it wasin the morning, which says
nothing, but I wasn't drunk.

(51:31):
Yeah.
And I don't remember that.
Right.
Like my brain was just in a hangoverand then I was gonna drink again.
It's wild.
No, I

Zoe (51:39):
don't remember a lot of shit that happened.
Mm-hmm.
During my addiction for sure.
Yeah.
But yeah, Francesca will come ontoo and tell her side of things.
Yeah.
Next time we go to

Heather (51:52):
Italy, we'll bring all of our equipment.

Zoe (51:54):
I think she, she, I have two boxes of her things in my house in Toronto,
so she needs to come and grab it.
She might come next year, next summer.
That'll be fun.
I hope she

Heather (52:05):
was okay.
Well, what's on your docketfor the rest of the day?

Zoe (52:10):
I think we're going bowling tonight with her boyfriend.
Oh, she's a boyfriend.
That's cute.
Okay.
Fun.
But her boyfriend and my boyfriendhave very similar names, and
they both are rudders and theyboth have like facial hair.
Interesting.
And they're both like, not shortkings, but Medium height kings.

(52:31):
Medium Kings.
Medium

Heather (52:33):
Kings.
Medium Kings.
I'll find, maybe I'll find a mediumking and I'll come to Italy too.
Perfect.
No, just kidding.
I'm good.
Oh, okay.
I mean, I'll come to Italy.
I just don't wanna bring a

Zoe (52:44):
boy.
Don't wanna bring a boy in.
It's been like nice.
Being like travelingaround by myself here.
Yeah.
I do see couples and I'm like, oh,it would be nice if my boyfriend
was here, but it is also cool thatI'm doing this alone and having
like a little bit of alone time.
Yeah, and just experiencingit and taking it in by myself.

(53:06):
It seems like very therapeuticand I really am just like enjoying
the fuck out of this place.

Heather (53:14):
Perfect.
That's a, that's, I thinktraveling alone is like incredibly
important, especially for a woman.
I think for men too, actually goout there and get some perspective,
but like, it's very important toknow you can do it by yourself.

Zoe (53:27):
Yeah.
I've never reallytraveled by myself either.
I usually have like afriend or someone with me.
Um, it's nice.

Heather (53:33):
I think also too, like.
People like waiting, waiting until youhave a partner to go and experience
things like go to Italy, go toParis, go to like romantic places.
Yeah.
You've always thoughtabout going with a partner.
Honestly, fuck that.
When has a a partner evermade your life better?
Like, just go by yourself.
It's so fun.
And like no one gives a shitthat you're by yourself.
Like, go meet someone.

(53:54):
Go hook up.
Go hang out.
Be careful.
Exactly.
But yeah, I think it's cool.
Yeah.
I'm gonna go, I'll go somewhere.
Maybe I'll go to Paris.
Go to Patty.
Patty.
Yeah.

Zoe (54:03):
You would love it up here.
It's really just, it's nice and every,like, the mountains are an hour away
and then the beach is an hour away,so we're kind of like in the middle
of the mountains and the beach.
Perfect.
Um, I had a shot.
Water.

Heather (54:18):
Oh my God, Zoe that, don't say that to me.
My insides just like tightened.
Now I have a six pack because of that.
Oh my God.
Okay.
You had a shot of water.
Very cool.

Zoe (54:29):
So apparently they used to, well, some places still do that when you
order an espresso or a coffee at someof the cafes here, they'll give you the
coffee and then like a shot of water,because coffee usually makes you thirsty.
So they give you free shots of water.
Because usually water you, youhave to buy a bottle at all the

(54:50):
cafes in the restaurants andit's like two 50, but at some.
Francesca said it.
Some of like the older establishments.
Older cafes, they'll stillgive you the shot of water.
It used to be a thing all atall places back in the day.
But now only a few placesgive you shots of water.
And I was like, oh myGod, this is so crazy.

Heather (55:10):
Yeah.
So you shot it, did itfeel, feel like old times?
It kind of felt nice.
I liked it.
Yeah.
Uh, I know that's how I feelwhen I take those, like ginger
shots, I'm like, mm-hmm.
Oh God.
My old stomping grounds.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Were you good at taking

Zoe (55:24):
shots?
Yeah,

Heather (55:27):
I'm so good at like tequila shots.
Like it was nothing like I was so.
I, yeah, I loved that about myself too.
I like loved that.
Like other people would belike, oh, I can't do tequila.
I know.
I'd be like,

Zoe (55:38):
I felt like I was invincible.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
I'm like, yeah,

Heather (55:41):
the tequila's gross.
But you just have to push throughit and then we're gonna find
ourselves on the other side.
Find yourselves on thedrunk side, everybody.
Yeah.
But it's better now.
Now we just take shots ofwater and a so it, so yeah, I'm
gonna go probably have a gelato

Zoe (55:56):
and.
Yeah.
Have some dinner?

Heather (56:01):
Mm-hmm.

Zoe (56:02):
Fun.
I think Anne's coming over.

Heather (56:04):
We're gonna get brunch and then we're gonna paint this wall.

Zoe (56:07):
Oh.
Are we gonna do adifferent shade of purple?

Heather (56:10):
No, I think we're gonna do like an off white pink.
Did you see how cute he was?
No.
Oh my God.
Oh my God.
Everyone's screaming.

Zoe (56:19):
Everyone is screaming.
Oh my God.
He's so annoying.
Lucky him.
I know.
He's

Heather (56:22):
such a good boy.
Okay, well, we have to talk once aweek regardless, because that's like
our own little meeting, so Yeah.
I'm so sorry on Drunkies ifthis was a little chaotic, but
that's kind of just sobriety.
Okay.
Things are chaotic and we're justtrying to bring it to you from wherever
we are, but we'll get that better.
These are all perfect.
We'll get better at this.
It's fine.
Yeah.

(56:42):
Okay.
Well.
Proud.
Proud of you.
Proud.
I'm so proud of youactually traveling alone.
This is so good.
Yeah.
I'm very proud of you.
Yeah.
Thanks, honey.
Proud of you too.
All goodbye.
Proud of all of you.
Bye.
Thanks for listening to Girl On Drunk.

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