April 3, 2025 • 53 mins
In this episode of the Gladden Longevity Podcast, Dr. Jeffrey Gladden interviews Joel Gould, a dentist who shares his personal health journey and insights into the connections between oral health, sleep apnea, and chronic diseases like Crohn's disease. Gould discusses the importance of vitamin D, the role of nutrition, and the impact of modern lifestyle choices on health. He emphasizes the need for a deeper understanding of the neurological roots of sleep disorders and advocates for a return to ancestral dietary practices as a means to improve overall health. In this conversation, Joel Gould discusses the importance of transforming health education, particularly for children, through engaging media. He emphasizes the critical role of vitamin D in health, especially in relation to sleep apnea, and explores the connections between thyroid health and sleep disorders. The discussion also highlights the detrimental effects of glyphosate and deuterium on health, advocating for dietary choices that minimize exposure to these toxins. Gould stresses the necessity of testing for various health markers to personalize health solutions and improve overall well-being.
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Welcome everybody to this edition of the Gladden Longevity Podcast.
I'm your host, Dr.
Jeffrey Gladden.
And today I'm joined by a dentist, Dr.
Joel Gould.
And Joel has been doing some interesting things.
He's not a biological dentist per se, but in his own sphere, he's been researching anddeveloping some interesting concepts around different disorders.
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So with that as a teaser introduction, Joel, welcome to the Gladden Longevity Podcast.
Thank you, I really appreciate being here.
Yeah.
So tell us a little bit about dentistry.
Were you wanting to be a dentist ever since you were five or what?
How did you get into that?
I'm not one of those people.
So ultimately what I discovered, so I'm Canadian and I've been a dentist for 35 years now.
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And ultimately I went into dentistry because of what happened to me in my health journey.
So I was one of those sickly kids, had my tonsils out at age four, terrible dental decay.
In fact, it's a good thing that I was okay with the dentistry that happened to me becauseit didn't stop me from being a dentist.
At the age of 14, I was diagnosed with Crohn's disease and I was quite sick.
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And the diagnosis was actually a relief like it is most times to know what's wrong withyou.
I was told I had a genetic disease and that that's the way it was.
And I could try these different medications.
I probably would have gone into medicine, but dentistry seemed like a much more sanechoice because being in an operating room doesn't work when you have Crohn's disease.
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And just the lifestyle of an intern would not be appropriate.
And I'm an artist at heart.
So what's interesting is most dentists, think, are artists, maybe frustrated artists.
And so I thought the dentistry would be a great fit.
You have your own business.
I'm an entrepreneur.
I can use my hands.
So everything really fit together.
I really, you know, I grew up in central Canada.
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And right now you're going to see the lights going to come up here.
I'm in Southern California and there's fog that's clearing.
So I grew up in central Canada in a place called Winnipeg, two and a half hours north ofFargo, North Dakota.
And the limitations of my life were really that I had Crohn's disease.
I had been on prednisone for so many years through puberty.
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And it really destroyed my body and destroyed my mind, to be honest with you.
The insecurity of having a disease like Crohn's disease, it wasn't so much just thephysical, it was the emotional and mental that comes along with it.
And I still don't think to this day that any traditional allopathic doctors reallyunderstand Crohn's disease at all.
And I wasn't looking for it.
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I was not a biologic dentist.
I was not interested in any of that stuff.
I had a completely different experience.
So at the age of 48, and I had lived a life the best that I could, being a sick person andunderstanding that I had a flaw.
And the other issue was that I was obese most of my life, no matter what I did.
And it's not uncommon for people with Crohn's disease.
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there is a dysregulation of a lot of things that goes wrong.
So it was one of those things where a bad combination of the emotional toll of having thatweird disease and then being unhappy with myself physically as a dentist, I'm a doctor,
I'm a health and wellness person.
If I can't get fit, what am I gonna be telling my patients?
So I struggled and I really, it's kind of funny because part of what put me on the rightpath was me struggling.
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I had tried so many times, so many different diets, so many different exercise regimensthat
At one point in time, I said, is what I'm gonna do, I'm gonna go to the gym for threehours every night.
And I got up in the dark and I went to bed in the dark and then basically I got very sick.
I started to have anxiety at a time I never had it before.
And then I got MRSA, methazillin resistant staph aureus.
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And I had some really bad abscesses and it didn't make any sense to me.
My girlfriend at the time did not have it.
So, we were sharing a bedroom.
And it didn't really quite strike me what could be the issue there, but the anxiety got myattention and I started really having more severe issues.
I want to make...
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Yeah, please.
on you're still on prednisone during all of this?
Is that what's happening?
No, I had tried different medications.
I'd cycled on and off every medication that, know, wherever I was, I found a differentgastroenterologist.
Hey, what's the latest stuff?
You know, I tried them all.
And interestingly enough, you know, some,
you were on medication at the time you got to MRSA.
That point in time, no, I think I had given up.
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I was just dealing with my symptoms.
I had learned how to live my life, getting up early and that type of stuff.
So I still didn't know really what was wrong with me, but I knew something was wrong.
And it wasn't until very interesting experiences, dentists, I'd already been in the fieldfor 25 years and I was always looking for the next thing.
What could I learn?
And I started to learn about sleep apnea.
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And this was something that was brand new.
It was being marketed to me saying, hey,
you can help your patients and you can make money the typical way that the dentalmarketing goes.
And I really wanted to get into the apnea space, because I could see that lot of mypatients were suffering from it.
And I had been in that location already for about 10, 15 years.
And so on a weekend class in Las Vegas, I put on a sleep study mask and discovered that Ihad apnea.
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know, to anyone who's listening to this who knows anything about apnea, I had an AHI apneahypopnea index of 22.
And that was a shock to me because I was at my most fit ever.
And yeah.
Just explain that to the audience what the results were for the sleep apnea.
So apnea is measured in whether it's mild, moderate, severe by the number of times youstop breathing for 30 seconds or more.
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And those are your apneas.
Okay.
So you get graded if it's above 30, they tell you you should be wearing a CPAP if you'rechoking 30 times an hour.
So I was at 22, which was moderate and it was a perfect fit for an oral device.
So I was learning about them.
What do they do?
How do they work?
And to anyone who doesn't know, dentists treat sleep apnea.
And we do that for people who
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can't wear a CPAP, won't wear a CPAP, have failed CPAP.
And it's a relatively effective treatment.
stops snoring immediately.
And that's usually the major complaint.
People don't come to me saying, I have apnea.
I know it's going to increase my risk for all these chronic inflammatory diseases.
They say, I got kicked out of the bedroom.
I'm snoring.
And so the nice part about an oral device is it's easy to fit if you know what you'redoing, and then it can stop snoring as little as one night.
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And to anyone out there who is wearing one of these, if you are not wearing a mandibularrepositioning,
piece, then you're making a mistake.
stop right away, call your dentist because you always want to put your job back up intothe right position after you've had it forwards all night.
And that's maybe a discussion we get into a little deeper if people want to know moreabout apnea.
My story is interesting though, cause that was the impetus.
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just, let's just dissect that for a second.
So the mandible of course is your lower jaw.
And what you're saying is that as people are sleeping, their mandible, the lower jaw movesout of position.
Is that, that what you're saying?
the oral device is designed, it's a mandibular advancement device and is designed toincrease the volume of the airway because people to this day still believe this is a
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structural issue and it is.
So right away I want to say that sleep apnea is a complete neurological condition.
It is not structural.
The structures of the airway and the jaw and the tongue can amplify, but they are not theroot cause.
The bigger tongue and the fat neck, that's a result of many, many years of choking in yoursleep.
The syndrome itself starts as early as birth and it changes over the years.
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So to learn this and to start to, I went around the country, I went to Canada, I wentaround the country to see, there's different groups who believe it's head position.
Some people think it's a tongue tie.
So all dentists are very hard workers and we like to be scientific.
So we like to get a reason for this.
And so a whole industry has been created about these different possibilities.
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Where do we put the jaw?
You know, what are we going to do?
And so those men to advancement devices, they're an allopathic treatment.
They treat the symptoms of disease and they do treat the root cause a bit because ifyou're choking in your sleep all night, you're, you're basically, you're having a cortisol
spikes and you're not sleeping.
So once you get one of those men to advancement devices in there, it can be life changingand have many, many people who, who they've regained their life because it allowed them to
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sleep and it's not the, it's not the device that works.
It's the sleep.
The sleep heals you.
If you don't restore yourself every night, you're going to break down.
And how you break down is going to be based on you and your genetic predispositionpositions in that.
All right.
So this all led me to a very interesting place because I disagreed with everyone.
Some people, and I had a woman who came to me who said she was a petite 26 year old womanwho said the last dentist she went to that she should have the sides of her tongue cut off
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because it was too big.
And she left that office and I said, please don't ever do anything like that.
So all the, the,
what I'm hearing you say is that you could get her tongue to shrink down if you actuallykind of take a root cause approach here.
Right.
what's the neurological root cause of all this?
All right, well, I want to stop and give credit to who I discovered is a neurologist bythe name of Stasia Gomunac.
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The majority of this is her work.
And I took it as a clinician.
She's no longer practicing.
I took her protocol as a clinician and started to do it on myself and then in my practice.
So the root cause, in my opinion, or the primary root cause of sleep apnea is anacetylcholine deficiency secondary to a vitamin D deficiency.
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So how this works, and I wanna make it sort of just a summary, is that when you're young,when you're a child and you have sleep apnea, you snore, you grind your teeth.
And to anyone watching this who has children who grind their teeth, it's a simple vitaminD deficiency.
It's a short circuit from the autonomic nervous system to the airway.
And if you think about it, our bodies are wired.
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We can live without food for quite a while and we can live without water for a while if weneed to, but we can't live without air for more than three minutes.
That's the priority.
Your brain is wired to control your airway.
You have to be paralyzed.
You have to be able to be swallowing.
You have to be able to have a coordinated breathing.
Your mouth is closed.
You're breathing through your nose.
expands.
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You get nitric oxide, expands the lungs.
So this is a very ancient breathing system that gets broken down.
And it's broken down when you think about this.
So acetylcholine is the primary neurotransmitter of the rest and digest arm of theautonomic nervous system.
Yep.
Okay, and so I want to lay this syndrome out just simply because then we can go fromthere.
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So step number one, vitamin D is known for many different things, but in my opinion, thethree most important things are for regulating the immune system, regulating the sleep
cycle, which I'll explain, and regulating the gut microbiome.
And of course, it makes sense that your vitamin D status would be related to your gutmicrobiome.
In winter, you may need a different gut microbiome, but what actually happens is thatthose bacteria
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they want that vitamin D as well.
And when your D level is evolutionary, and what people are walking around with now isnothing to do with that.
If your D level is evolutionary, and the zone that you wanna be in to be able totranscribe the enzyme choline acetyltransferase in the brain stem, because acetylcholine
has to be made in the neurons, you can't take it, it's not gonna cross the blood-brainbarrier, is that you need to have that higher D level to transcribe enough of that enzyme.
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Now that's step one.
you also need to have enough B5, pantothenic acid, which is the precursor.
So the combination and what makes it worse, if you're on a vegan diet now, you don't haveany choline.
So acetylcholine needs to be made and it needs B5, pantothenic acid.
And where does that come from?
It comes from the gut microbiome.
The four pieces of bacteria make the eight B vitamins and that's Stashe Gomenak's work.
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It's verifiable.
Is there a ton of studies to support it?
No.
But of course it makes sense.
So if we carry the gut microbiome that makes all eight B vitamins, that's our benefit.
And if we don't have the right vitamin D level, those beneficial gut bacteria, disappearor there's not enough of them to produce the B vitamins, right?
So not having enough vitamin B5.
Now, is it only B5?
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In this particular case, that's what I'm talking about.
Are the other B vitamins involved?
Well, sure they are for the production of energy.
And if you don't have enough ATP, you can't take your acetylcholine and you can't get it.
all the way down the length of the neuron through the motor proteins, they take one ATPfor every step.
So the question is how much energy is needed to run this system?
And if there aren't B vitamins, can it be run properly?
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So the simple supplementation in children of vitamin D alone will stop bruxism, clenchingand grinding and snoring and pediatric sleep apnea within days.
And it's shocking because...
is just so I'm clear now, you're talking about vitamin D3, is that right?
Okay.
And are you talking about synthetic vitamin D3 or are you talking about the kind ofvitamin D that comes out of food or?
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Well, so I believe that vitamin D is a structural molecule hormone and I believe that it'sbest to get it from the sun.
If you live in Northern climate, I believe there's nothing wrong with supplementing it.
I saved my own life by simply supplementing this.
When I learned that vitamin D was important, all I did was I went to CVS Pharmacy and Ibought one bottle of magnesium.
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I was not supplementing anything.
I did not care about supplements.
I was not interested.
I bought one bottle of magnesium.
one bottle of vitamin K2 and one bottle of vitamin D3 and I began to raise my vitamin Dlevel in an effort to reverse my apnea.
So walk us through why you added the magnesium in the K2 for the audience here.
Well, over the over time and in my vestiges was 10 years ago.
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So this wasn't a hot topic back then.
It was it was just the beginning of the biohacking movement and it wasn't well known thatif you took vitamin D, you should take it with vitamin K2 to manage the calcium.
And it wasn't well known.
know, magnesium, I think, is obvious to supplement because it's really been removed fromour food chain with all the modern processed foods, particularly glyphosate, which is a
key later.
It's going to steal those minerals and you're going to need to supplement.
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that combination.
of D3, K2, and magnesium, I started to call them the terrific trio.
And if you look deeper into my work, you're gonna find the foundational four, and that'svitamin D3, vitamin K2, magnesium, and organic sulfur.
Two vitamins, technically, vitamin D is not really a vitamin, and two minerals.
And the reason that I call them the foundational four is that I believe thatsupplementation of those four elements is gonna reverse.
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literally 80 % of the chronic inflammatory illness that we see.
20 % of the people are gonna need to have much further investigation into their health.
But for so many people, just taking those three items, I added the sulfur after I met Dr.
Stephanie Senif and I realized what the Zeta potential was and that the lack of sulfurcould contribute to cardiovascular disease and to joint breakdown, you know, the drying
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out of your fascia.
So those have been my focus, and this was all about 10 years ago I discovered this.
Okay, interesting, really interesting.
And so in doing this, you've been able to fix yourself, I take it.
Well, let me tell you what happened.
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So I was working on my sleep.
I made myself an oral device.
But the strange thing that happened was, so when I was in dental school, I startedgrinding my teeth and I made my first grinding guard in 1987.
And I never questioned it.
I grind my teeth, I wear my grinding card at night.
And then over the years, I saw more and more and more of my patients every year coming insaying, I'm grinding my teeth, I can't stop.
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So I made more grinding guards.
But as I started to raise my vitamin D level, did it carefully because I didn't know it.
10 years ago, there was literature saying, oh, you're going to die of an overdose if youtake 10,000 international units.
That's toxic.
And that's what I take during this time change, even here in Southern California, becauseI have a job.
I can't be outside.
So I take that 10,000 IU every day.
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So what happened to me was that over a three month period, I wasn't really focusing on it,but I woke up one day and the pain that I had felt in my back and in my knees and in my
neck was gone.
I realized that my Crohn's disease had receded so profoundly that I caught myself out inpublic not knowing where there were bathrooms.
And that was a shock to me.
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So it was an accidental reversal of Crohn's disease by raising my vitamin D.
And I still didn't really understand the profound nature of vitamin D.
I had a good idea based on Dr.
Gomenak's work of what it was doing.
But then I sat down and did a bunch of research.
This was before CHAT GPT.
So I did it myself on PubMed.
And of course I found studies that when
They took a group of 30 people with Crohn's disease and supplemented their vitamin D and28 of them had complete resolution of the disease.
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I would have wanted my doctor to have seen that study, but you know what the world's like.
So I found two or three studies that verified it.
I had a mechanism of action, multiple, multiple anti-inflammatory killing the bacteriathat were endemic in my colon.
couldn't make enough butyrate.
had the wrong gut microbiome.
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there's multiple, the story of this, you know, it's complex and it's probably, you know,doesn't suit, suit your listeners who are probably at a higher level here.
But the story was shocking to me because, you know, I, I, I go back to my doctor?
No, of course not.
Because he wouldn't have been interested.
Not even a little bit.
And anyone, any, any person who's in some form of practice who realizes that they've beenwrong on something, they don't go back to their doctor because their doctor's not going to
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recognize it.
Even a close family friend could have cared less, you know.
And so what happened to me then as I started to see the real issue, now at the verybeginning of this journey, I discovered Westin A.
Price.
Now keeping in mind that I discovered and reversed my Crohn's disease at the age of 48, mylife was potentially over because I didn't do all the things that I wanted to do.
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I didn't have children because I didn't want to spread a genetic disease.
It's a real, it's mind blowing kind of realization that your whole life has been in vain.
Now also, I'm gonna turn to the side so you can see my profile.
I also suffer from a syndrome that I've labeled and we should call long face syndrome andthat's a mouth breathing syndrome that I see in all of the kids today.
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And that's because they can't breathe through their nose because their nasal septum withvitamin K2 deficiency becomes calcified inappropriately and their tonsils get swollen when
their vitamin D level drops down and you should know, you already know that tonsil size isinversely proportional.
vitamin D status, the lower the vitamin D, the bigger the tonsils.
And yes, studies exist on PubMed, more than one.
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And so now they have this airway obstruction.
These kids are breathing through their mouth and it narrows the palate and it totallyshrinks the airway.
This is massive because as these kids are suffering from a vitamin D3, vitamin K2,technically magnesium deficiency in childhood, as their bodies start to develop, first
issue is they're not sleeping right.
So their growth and development is delayed.
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Dental
Dental development shows you the physical age of a child.
Now, I didn't go into puberty until I was 14.
It was a terrible life.
And I see these kids showing up 14 years old, look like they're 10 years old.
They have the dentition of an 11 year old and they're 14, 15.
I see it every day.
So what struck me is that when I found Weston A.
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Price and he said vitamin D3, vitamin K2, ancestral diet.
Do not use, do not eat industrial seed oils.
He said that almost a hundred years ago, do not eat industrial seed oils.
And his work, it's not that it just wasn't celebrated.
It was completely hidden and still is.
There is not one single traditional medical or dental school that I'm aware of in NorthAmerica or anywhere that even features his work and says, this guy's a villain.
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This guy's wrong.
He talked about this.
He took these pictures.
I think that Weston A.
Price is, this is the most scandalous story because he is the modern father ofepigenetics.
Mm-hmm.
That's right.
at a time when eugenics was in full swing.
This is 1937, 1938.
And he's saying, hey guys, I don't think, so it was discussed that the destruction of thejaw was a result of the mixing of the bloodlines and nothing could be further from the
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truth.
He was showing the destruction of the jaw in one generation.
We know that's not evolution.
That is epigenetics.
That's the power of the environment, right?
if I recall, he was the guy that was looking at native cultures where their teeth were allstraight and everything was beautiful.
And then he was looking at civilized countries where people were eating early modes ofprocessed foods and more sugar and things and the kids were all messed up.
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Right.
And so, yeah, so that's kind of an epigenetic study, if you will.
Right.
You change the environment, you change the genetic expression.
Yeah.
yeah, so I want you to think of this.
So because his work was suppressed and still is suppressed, I went to dental school justup the road from where he was born.
And had I discovered his work in dental school when I was 19, I would have a completelydifferent life.
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So the idea, wasn't just this, this is so personal to me that I had my life taken away bythis stupidity, but the lack of the omittance of vitamin D as a powerful psychosteroid,
hormone and epigenetic moderator and the missing vitamin K2 to go along with it.
This is some of the most scandalous stuff in all of our medical history.
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And it resulted in me losing my life and having inappropriate, I had 15 root canals, I hadterrible dental work.
Why would a dentist still be having dental work done?
If you don't know about vitamin D and you wear sunscreen, you follow doctor's orders.
I was a good allopathic doctor.
and I would never go out.
moved to Southern California.
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I didn't know what was wrong with me.
I lived in Vancouver, British Columbia, and I was very unhappy.
I was about 250 pounds.
No matter what I did, I couldn't lose weight.
When I came to Southern California, my health improved definitely a bit, but I slatheredthat sunscreen on my face day after day, and I allowed myself to have all that UVA
radiation penetrate my face, and I had suppressed my vitamin D for years.
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So it wasn't a shock for me to get my first basal cell carcinoma.
And then when I went to get my MOHS procedure, which is the treatment, sitting in a roomwith people 10, 15 years older than me, all saying how, yeah, this is my third, fourth,
fifth trip.
You know, I wasn't very happy about that, but I understand why it happened.
I understand that sunlight is only healthy when you have all the components and you usethem appropriately.
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If you're a hunter gatherer, you don't need sunscreen.
If you want to wear sunscreen, really dig in deep.
And you know, when I started to write my book, I was going to call it, Sunscreen CausesCancer.
I ended up calling it the modern epidemic.
And what I mean by that is that there is a syndrome that's being caused by the humananimal being separated from the evolutionary elements living outside, living indoors.
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This place I call my home is a cage.
And we know that animals in captivity get sick because our zookeepers, our doctors, theyhaven't figured out how our bodies work and they don't know what to put in the cage with
us to keep us healthy.
And then it made me come up with my, one of my favorite sayings that you can't fix orrepair something until you understand how it works and know why it broke down in the first
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place.
And our doctors have no clue and I respect them so much.
And I'm one of them, no clue how our bodies actually work.
So when I discovered this, it started to really bother me and I wanted to share myinformation, but no one would listen.
If I called you up 10 years ago and said, Hey, I'm a dentist from Canada.
And I think that it's so important that all the pediatric dentists get on the bandwagon.
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Why don't we have room for all of our teeth anymore?
It's not evolution, it's epigenetics.
So, you know, this is why we don't have room for our wisdom teeth.
This is why kids need braces.
Now they need them twice.
When I was young, it was very unusual.
It wasn't identified because kids still played outside.
It was very different.
Now in the early 1990s, we have one more element coming in just to mess things up andthat's glyphosate.
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Now,
I've identified glyphosate as a villain and you've already understand that deuterium is avillain because you've done a podcast with Victor Saglowski who's great.
And so I made these the villains of what I created because this isn't right.
I see children suffering every day and my own patients don't necessarily listen to me.
When I tell them something, I started telling my patients to supplement vitamin D 10 yearsago.
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Some of them took them five years until their doctor told them they were low and said, Istarted supplementing.
I'm like, why did you wait till now?
because my doctor told me, I'm not insulted, I'm a dentist.
People didn't come to me for vitamin D advice.
I gave it to them anyway, it didn't matter to me.
But the most important thing, I'm gonna tell you some really interesting and incrediblethings that I discovered in the syndrome, but the most important thing that I'm gonna do
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is if there's even one person listening to this whose child grinds their teeth, if theirchild sucks their thumb, if your child sucks your thumb, do not make them stop.
They are creating their own mandibular advancement device to keep alive.
And that's the bizarre part.
There's so many easy things that can be done to fix this syndrome.
So I felt helpless because even my best friends, they could have cared less.
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They saw my transformation, but it didn't matter to them because they didn't experience ituntil you feel it yourself.
Until I was going to the bathroom 25 times a day sometimes and it changed to once a day.
I mean, this is I said to myself.
Wow, people are lucky that they get to do this.
Shocking, I know.
And this destroys people's lives.
So I knew that, yes, it's important that I talk to you.
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Your viewers are higher level.
You're talking about longevity and thinking about how to extend health, which I think isamazing because that's health in general.
But what I want to do is I want to incorporate this very simple information that Weston A.
Price uncovered and that I'm trying to modernize into popular culture so that it becomespart of the fabric of society.
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Because I want you to think about this.
Initially, vitamin D deficiency caused rickets.
When we got rid of it, they put a tiny bit of vitamin D into everything.
500 IU, 100 IU, 100 IU in Trinidad units per day is enough to stop rickets.
And then we forgot about it.
I have on my Instagram post, I have a picture of Schlitz beer.
was a sunshine beer with vitamin D.
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Then tuberculosis came around and we used to send our people to lie.
I have a picture of people lying in hospital beds to reverse tuberculosis.
How many times are we going to forget how important vitamin D is?
And you know, so to me, this is it.
This is the last time.
This is my last stand.
I don't want to leave this planet until this information is a part of society.
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So I decided to put my efforts rather not into research.
I don't have to prove this to anyone.
It's there.
The studies are there.
The mechanism of action is there.
It's obvious.
If you have a child that's suffering, you can do this within weeks.
You can change the trajectory of their life.
So what I most wanted to do was to be able to incorporate the simple information and makeit irrefutable.
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And that's when I created my cartoon characters.
And here's one of them right here.
That's Marty mitochondria, as in your mitochondria.
So I wanted to put this into popular culture like TikTok and Instagram.
And that's exactly what I'm doing.
So right now, after 35 years in dentistry, I shifted gears to do what I need to do.
And that is to be in media and entertainment.
I took media training.
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I hired animators.
I got one of my patients who's an artist to create these characters with me.
And that's really to insert
some sense into kids' lives.
If you, anyone listening to this who has kids, you can see how empty the cartoon world is.
It's just a bunch of rehash nonsense.
Now, I have a whole movie called Enzymes, Mother Nature's Nanobots, and it's, imagineFinding Nemo instead of fish.
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It's enzymes, and instead of telling you a silly story, they're gonna elucidate science bytheir music, their song, their dance, and humor.
Tongue-in-cheek humor that's good for parents and kids.
So my focus for the next 35 years of my life, and I am counting on you to help me to makethat happen, is that I need to change this paradigm.
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This is the most important thing.
10 years ago, I was crazy.
Five years ago when COVID came, people started to think, maybe he's onto something.
And now with the new government, this is the right time.
RFK can ban red dye number three, but big pharma, big food, big agri is going to be therefighting this battle.
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and who's gonna be doing the opposition, everything's corrupted in the government, evenwhen you understand something.
It's very hard to make a change.
So my decision was to bring this to the masses and to make it fun and to let peoplememorize this stuff, kids will memorize everything.
And if you give them something more than some nonsense, I don't wanna name any franchises,but they'll remember it.
So my cartoon characters are amino acids and enzymes.
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Sorry to have gone on so long.
But I have a lot of knowledge on dosing vitamin D, how to treat sleep apnea, how to treatpediatric sleep apnea.
But what I really wanted to make it clear to who I am, what I want to do 35 years as aclinician is enough.
Me working on one person, it doesn't work for me.
I want to share my information with a wider audience.
And that's one of the reasons I'm here.
Obviously I'm fascinated by your work because as you get into vitamin D, you realize thisis the hormone that can keep you young.
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And if you don't know about it, you're in trouble.
And sleep apnea,
is very obviously of item D deficiency like so many things including Crohn's disease.
I'm, yeah.
it's fascinating work that you've done.
We find that biology is many times multifactorial, that it's not always reduced down to asingle thing.
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That being said, I think that there is really a dearth of vitamin D.
There's a pandemic, an epidemic of vitamin D deficiency.
And I think the numbers are all wrong to your point.
30 or 35 is good enough.
I mean, we've always pushed vitamin D to 70, 80, 100, 110.
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We see 110, we don't really worry about it, right?
Because that's not a problem.
And we always combine it with K2 because you need the two of them to, you know, movecalcium around appropriately to get it in the bones and out of the arteries.
So yeah, that's all good.
But I wasn't really aware of the connection with Crohn's disease, which is interesting, orwith bruxism, which is grinding of teeth.
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So it's interesting that you've come across that.
You know, it's also interesting that you're basically educating children with sort of theconcept of scientific literacy or health literacy even, right?
So there's an element of scientific literacy and an element of health literacy going on,which isn't taught.
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And parents don't know how to teach it because they're illiterate themselves.
And then the schools obviously don't teach it because they're lined up with traditionalmedicine.
So, you know, I applaud the work that you're doing.
And I think
It's very, very cool.
I'm going to relook at, we do sleep studies for people and sleep, diagnose sleep apnea andthings like that.
I'm going to, I'm going to relook at all of our vitamin D levels.
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I'm, yeah, I'm, I'll be very curious to see your findings, but, you know, I created asleep restoration program.
And so I'm actually very curious to know, I know you've got a great facility and you do alot of great stuff.
I was curious to know what you did with your sleep apnea patients.
If you recommended a CPAP or I don't, you know, I'm curious to have someone like yourselfwho understands the higher level stuff.
How do you treat apnea?
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Well, it's interesting, you know, there's a real correlation between hypothyroidism,subclinical hypothyroidism and sleep apnea.
yeah, there's more to thyroid than vitamin D, I'll tell you that.
But the point, now let me just finish for a second.
there is, there's a real connection between hypothyroidism and sleep apnea and they sortof play off each other.
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And it's really important, I think,
when you're evaluating somebody with sleep apnea to do resting metabolic rates, so youactually see what is the set point for thyroid activity at the cellular level, we find
that that's missed all the time.
You can't look at blood work on thyroid and they're in the quote unquote normal range andso everything's fine.
That's really, really a misnomer.
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The other thing that's interesting is the genetics around thyroid in the sense that...
It's a DIO2 enzyme that basically diodinates T4 to T3 in the brain.
DIO1 does it systemically.
So you can actually have normal thyroid levels systemically.
You can even have a normal resting metabolic rate and you still can have a dearth ofactive thyroid in the brain if you don't know your genetics.
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So really unraveling that not to get thyroid where it needs to be in the brain also fromour perspective is also a key
thing in treating sleep apnea, right?
So, we do that kind of work.
And then, yeah, we do have people that get CPAP, but then we're also looking at all thevitamin levels, right?
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The D3K2, the intracellular levels, the extracellular levels, and deconstructing all that.
And then we do look at body composition as well, right?
So, and insulin resistance.
So, all that sort of factors in.
So really, it's multifactorial.
The other thing
Is that a lot of people, when they get hormonally depleted, they have a difficult timemaintaining proper body composition.
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Their brains don't work as well, right?
Talk about brain dysfunction, estrogen levels go down.
And a lot of men, when they're put on testosterone, they're basically robbed of estrogenbecause they're put on a drug and it actually is all the block testosterone to estrogen
conversion, right?
So now, know, women's brains are very sensitive to lack of estrogen as they go through.
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menopause and men are too, particularly if they're put on testosterone.
to us to really optimize the whole scenario here is more than ever a single agent.
certainly what you're talking about, there's no denying that vitamin D is critical, right?
It's not even important, it's actually critical.
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yeah, anyway, so that gives you some.
interject when I say vitamin D, what I really mean is sun exposure.
So keep in mind that when I started this process, I wasn't thinking about sun exposure.
I thought I spent a ton of time in the sun and the supplementation works.
that even goes back to, know, with synthetic vitamin D.
My supplementation of inexpensive vitamin D from CVS worked.
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Now, however, once I started to realize why would I wanna do this?
So I believe it's being in the sun is actually much more health promoting than just simplyvitamin D.
interesting, let me interrupt that.
So interestingly, as we age, we don't convert inactive vitamin D to active vitamin D inthe skin as readily as we used to.
So there's also a decrease in that ability to do that.
So now you're making a trade off between, you know, sun exposure, you know, the ozonelayers back, but sun exposure, which we think is fantastic.
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And actually, really interestingly enough, it's early morning sun that is some of the mostimportant sun to bring in through your retina.
It actually activates melatonin production.
It turns your brain on.
gets everything going.
It increases acetylcholine synthesis.
So early morning sun is good and you don't really get a burn from it, right?
You don't really get burned in the first, know, when the sun's at 15 degrees, you're notreally getting a burn, right?
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It's at two o'clock in the afternoon.
The other thing about the skin cancer and your basal skill cell cancer is you can never, Ican, if you take helio care,
Heliocare is polypodium leukotomus, comes from a fern.
If you take that capsule every day or twice a day, when you go out in the sun, you take itevery four hours, I will bet you that you won't get another skin cancer.
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We have wiped out skin cancer for so many people, and so that's been super useful.
And I don't wear sunscreen, but I take heliocare every day.
I've never had a skin cancer.
And when you do that, you can actually get more sun exposure.
to your point.
if sun exposure is important, that's a good thing.
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And the other thing about being outside, of course, is electrical grounding.
That has a big impact on the whole system as well.
So yeah, anyway, those would be my thoughts.
Very good.
And I agree with her on all that.
yeah, what I'm, the problem is that when you say to somebody, you know, your vitamin Dlevel is low, you have two choices.
You supplement, you go in the sun and you know this already that every single one of mypatients say, I have an uncle that had melanoma and I have to say melanoma is actually
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vitamin D or sunlight deficiency because you don't get melanoma on your nose or on yourhead or on your ears like you do the other two cancers.
Anyway, it's not a very interesting discussion, but.
It's not the vitamin D, it's being in the sun.
And that's where I, when I got into deuterium and I became fascinated with that.
And so the question is, why are you really down regulating your ability to make vitamin Dor is the cholesterol in your skin deuterated and it's much more difficult to make vitamin
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D?
Because that's a conversation that's worth having.
more deuterium that is in, so the point that I made earlier was that,
Glyphosate got into our food chain early 90s and as the glyphosate increases, the vitaminD level goes down.
Glyphosate destroys the enzymes, the cytochrome P27 enzyme.
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These enzymes are destroyed by glyphosate.
So you may have a child who's been getting vitamin D supplemented and you may have a childwho's outside, but their ability to activate, to hydroxylate vitamin D from the vitamin
itself into the active form.
it's much more difficult.
So they're gonna show a lower 25 OHD level.
that's someone says, I've been taking vitamin D, but my level's not going up.
Look at your diet, how much glyphosate are you eating?
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So that's a component.
yeah, and we measure glyphosate in our clients all of them we measure glyphosate levelsBut we get a feel for that now because we know it's that important.
Yeah.
No, that's interesting
and so when I did a podcast with Dr.
Stephanie Seneff and her major take to the table here is that it's the combination ofdeuterium and glyphosate together that destroys our mitochondria and metabolic disease has
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been rising in lockstep with glyphosate coming into our food chain.
And that's because glyphosate disrupts the enzymes of the electron transport chain and itallows deuterium
to get into the mitochondria.
All of these different enzymes, they're specifically designed to be looking for a hydrogenrather than a deuterium.
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And I encourage anyone to watch that podcast.
And this combination of deuterium and glyphosate, I called them the tag team of terrorbecause they become very dangerous together.
Glyphosate changes the way that these enzymes are folding, making the normal shapeunreliable.
And then you can't produce energy and too much deuterium is getting into
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the mitochondria and you know, back to your podcast, it destroys how the nanomotorsrotate.
And you know, and that's my record label, that's the cross section of ATP synthase rightthere.
And that's, know, the key to multicellular life is the mitochondria and are these rotors,these nanomotors that Mother Nature designed.
And so we're poisoning the system by having this glyphosate in there that's destroying ourability to differentiate between a hydrogen and a deuterium.
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And so
difficult.
It's, let me just interrupt for a second.
It's difficult to get glyphosate out.
Even if you're eating organic foods, it's difficult to get it out completely.
Right.
We, test everybody here for glyphosate and some people are elevated and some, but nobody'slike low, right.
Because it's become so ubiquitous in the environment.
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Even if you're, even if you buy an organic food, the guy three crops over blows throughthe wind.
Right.
So it's.
Yeah, it's really, it's really kind of a systemic problem at this point in time.
And deuterium, that's also systemic.
It's difficult.
You can drink deuterium depleted water.
I don't know if that's what you do, but it's very expensive.
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so I don't know what
The food you eat is much more important than the water that you drink.
think that deuterium-depleted water is a great adjunct, and especially if you haveunlimited funds and you have terminal cancer, I'd be swallowing a ton of it.
Just so the audience understands, let's talk about deuterium.
You know, it's a hydrogen with an extra proton and it's heavy water, if you will.
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And there are areas in the world, certain springs and things like that, that have very lowdeuterium concentrations, right?
I think they're down around 20 parts per million, maybe as opposed to normal, which is140.
I may have that wrong, but something like that.
So the lowest deuterium water you'll find naturally is about 90 parts per million.
And you're going to find that in glacial waters at very high elevations.
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It's past the Himalayas.
So all the heavier, so there's three forms of water, H2O, HDO, and D2O.
D2O is heavy water.
But that semi-heavy water, that'll drop sooner.
the air that gets farthest up and highest up is the lightest.
And when that falls down, that's going to be the most depleted in deuterium.
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So I became sort of a semi-expert in all these things.
And it wasn't just understanding the science.
I understand the science.
I've got a scientific background, but it's being able to explain this.
Why is this important?
And I had...
let me ask you, what do you do to keep glyphosate out of your life and deuterium out ofyour...
So that's a great question.
So first of all, most importantly, intermittent fasting.
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I make all my meals.
I eat one meal a day and that meal is extremely grass-fed, wild-caught, extremely allwhole foods.
So I try not to put any sauces or anything that is gonna potentially have glyphosate init.
And you could have this beautiful meal and then you have some soy sauce and it could beloaded in glyphosate.
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So I'm very careful about how I eat.
And I do buy organic.
Yeah.
Sure.
because there was a nice study done on about 20,000 people between 99 and 2014 that lookedat eating habits and all-cause mortality and cardiovascular disease mortality.
And they found that people that ate one meal a day had an 80 % increase in cardiovascularmortality and all-cause mortality.
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And they found that people that ate three times a day actually had the lowest mortality.
People that skipped breakfast had a higher mortality.
We've become a little bit skeptical of this idea of one meal a day as being actuallyhealthy.
And the reason is that, it's not that intermittent fasting isn't good.
It's that eating is actually stressful.
It's stressful on the body to, particularly if you're going to take all your calories inone sitting, it represents a big sort of metabolic load on, on the body.
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So talk to me a little bit about that.
So I do have, I do a yogurt in midday with some timeline.
I do coffee with butter and sometimes maple, organic maple syrup or organic honey.
So I want to spike my cortisol in the mornings.
That's what my morning coffee is.
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I don't want to eat poor quality food.
I don't want to eat during my day.
And I prefer to eat, you know, my main meal.
want to have the...
I wanna cook it, I wanna smell it, wanna taste it, I wanna enjoy eating it.
And this is what I'm doing at this point in time for my health.
I'm also doing a lot of mimicking fasting.
So, you
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yeah, fast mimicking diet.
Yeah.
So I think, I think all, I think all that's good.
I the five day fast mimicking diets are good.
think Mimeo is good also as a, as a dieting mimetic, if you will, which is a supplementthat was created, really to look at what are the molecules that the body excretes, when
we're fasting.
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And they basically took four of those that give a lot of the fasting benefits and put theminto a capsule.
Right.
So, so I think that's very interesting.
I will say that in the study I was referencing the people that ate their meal at dinnerhad the highest mortality.
So just FYI.
I try and get my meal at 4pm is the time I technically want to eat.
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let me just give you a little advice for a second.
If you're gonna have that meal, I'd space it out over a couple hours rather than sit downand eat the whole thing at once, simply to kind of space out the metabolic load, if you
will, right?
So anyway, that's me trying to look out for you a little bit, right?
no, I appreciate that.
Cause I would love to come in and do your program at some point in time.
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I think that'd be fascinating.
But you know, when you, when you say that, so what are those people eating for their onemeal?
What is their vitamin D status?
What is their light exposure?
There's just so many factors.
this was general population.
These were not health and optimization individuals.
But, but, but, but it was 20,000 people.
So it's not trivial.
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Well, and those 20,000 people were probably people who never had a vitamin D test in theirlife or eating processed foods.
However, I like the, I like your advice, but I like to think of things.
So my paradigm is called MHC stands for modern hunter gatherer.
And I like to think of things from an evolutionary perspective.
And I'm thinking about how the majority of our evolutionary history was feast or famine.
And I believe that's how our biology got put together.
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I feel best when I follow that.
And I, you know, I don't, I'm not, I'm not overloading myself.
I'm, know, I'm trying.
me interject that too, because some of us are still hunter-gatherers and some of us arenot genetically.
Some of us have evolved away from being hunter-gatherers and we test for that also.
So it comes down to basically how many copies of the amylase gene you have.
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So the hunter-gatherers have a low number copy of amylase genes, right?
Which amylase is the enzyme in your mouth that's secreted in your saliva, also in yourstomach, that, that helps you break down carbohydrate.
And evolutionarily.
We didn't have many copies of that.
And so we were in the hunter gatherer mode.
Carbs were kind of a rarity, if you will.
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But as things evolved, certain people have adapted, although it's only been eight, 10, 12,I don't know.
You look at different numbers from when agriculture started 16, 18,000 years, somewhere inunder 20,000 years, right?
That we've been exposed to agricultural foods and people have adapted.
And there are now people that have up to 20 copies of the amylase gene, right?
On the planet.
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And the highest we've measured here.
is about 12, right?
But we have many people that are two, three, four.
Those are the hunter-gatherers.
But people that are eight, 10, 12, they've actually migrated away from a hunter-gatherergenetic makeup.
So the concept that hunter-gatherer is like what everybody on the planet needs is notnecessarily the right answer.
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Fair enough, fair enough.
I didn't expect to come on this podcast and get schooled by you, but I enjoy it.
I enjoy it.
So I'm always trying to learn, okay?
Yeah.
So, yeah.
Yeah, so anyway, I think the bottom line here for the audience to take away here is it'sreally important to get tested, right?
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It's really important to get, you should know your glyphosate levels.
You should know what your vitamin D levels are.
You should know what your vitamin K2 levels are, your magnesium levels, right?
To your point, those are all very important things.
And, you know, we have many ways to measure mitochondrial function here also, so we cansee actually who's in trouble and who's not.
So the point is, if you really want to optimize, I think,
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it's very important to, you know, to really test and kind of deconstruct the situation soyou know where you stand and then layer in the things.
And I think some of the recommendations that you're making are certainly, you know,incredibly helpful and actually linking some things together that I was unaware of, right?
Like the direct relationship to Crohn's or even Bruxism for that matter.
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And certainly the way your take on sleep apnea is very, very helpful also.
So.
Kudos to you on all of that.
I think that's really interesting.
Yeah, cool.
Great.
I appreciate the opportunity.
Again, my main concern is to share this information with the parents of young children whoare suffering and they're unaware.
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I had some parents who were putting a CPAP on their eight-year-old and there's lots ofreally weird stuff going on out there and I really wanna make that change.
I don't write about everything, but I really want this information.
I really wanna modernize Westin A Price's information and make sure that it gets theattention that it really deserves because I think that this is the majority of illness
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that I'm seeing is related to this syndrome.
you know.
think think Price's work was was really seminal.
think one of the things one of the big switches that got flipped in the epigenetic area,right?
The environment the kids were brought up in was how much sugar they had access to.
I think it was when they got access to sugar that everything kind of went went downhill.
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So, yeah, but it's it's fascinating work that you're doing.
I applaud it and we're happy to support it.
So how do people find out more about about where you're
what you're trying to do.
Sure, my website is called modernhuntergatherers.com and my Instagram ismodernhuntergatherers.
I'm pretty easy to find.
You can also look up vitamin D dentist and I'm in Southern California, I'm in Los Angeles.
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So definitely would love to share my information with anyone.
There's a really an epidemic of poor sleep with kids and parents are dosing their kidsmelatonin.
I don't know what the long-term results of giving your kid a ton of melatonin is.
But if you're one of those people driving your kid around in the car, in the car seat,trying to get your child to sleep, please keep in mind that it's vitamin D that's gonna
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make a massive difference.
And even if drops, I would be looking at a vitamin D3, vitamin K2 drop for your infant anda chewable for your child.
I have a company I've been working with to do an easy to supplement melt, a D3K2 magnesiummelt for kids.
Sugar-free, glyphosate-free.
And that's the product that I really want.
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every dentist and every pediatrician to understand this one thing can profoundly changethe way your child's airway develops and it's going to go on in later life to really be an
issue for them.
I love that.
love that.
Yeah.
Well, thanks for sharing your wisdom with Joel.
It's really been a pleasure chatting with you.
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My pleasure.
Welcome everybody to this edition of the Gladden Longevity Podcast.
I'm your host, Dr.
Jeffrey Gladden.
And today I'm joined by a dentist, Dr.
Joel Gould.
And Joel has been doing some interesting things.
He's not a biological dentist per se, but in his own sphere, he's been researching anddeveloping some interesting concepts around different disorders.
(00:24):
So with that as a teaser introduction, Joel, welcome to the Gladden Longevity Podcast.
Thank you, I really appreciate being here.
Yeah.
So tell us a little bit about dentistry.
Were you wanting to be a dentist ever since you were five or what?
How did you get into that?
I'm not one of those people.
So ultimately what I discovered, so I'm Canadian and I've been a dentist for 35 years now.
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And ultimately I went into dentistry because of what happened to me in my health journey.
So I was one of those sickly kids, had my tonsils out at age four, terrible dental decay.
In fact, it's a good thing that I was okay with the dentistry that happened to me becauseit didn't stop me from being a dentist.
At the age of 14, I was diagnosed with Crohn's disease and I was quite sick.
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And the diagnosis was actually a relief like it is most times to know what's wrong withyou.
I was told I had a genetic disease and that that's the way it was.
And I could try these different medications.
I probably would have gone into medicine, but dentistry seemed like a much more sanechoice because being in an operating room doesn't work when you have Crohn's disease.
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And just the lifestyle of an intern would not be appropriate.
And I'm an artist at heart.
So what's interesting is most dentists, think, are artists, maybe frustrated artists.
And so I thought the dentistry would be a great fit.
You have your own business.
I'm an entrepreneur.
I can use my hands.
So everything really fit together.
I really, you know, I grew up in central Canada.
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And right now you're going to see the lights going to come up here.
I'm in Southern California and there's fog that's clearing.
So I grew up in central Canada in a place called Winnipeg, two and a half hours north ofFargo, North Dakota.
And the limitations of my life were really that I had Crohn's disease.
I had been on prednisone for so many years through puberty.
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And it really destroyed my body and destroyed my mind, to be honest with you.
The insecurity of having a disease like Crohn's disease, it wasn't so much just thephysical, it was the emotional and mental that comes along with it.
And I still don't think to this day that any traditional allopathic doctors reallyunderstand Crohn's disease at all.
And I wasn't looking for it.
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I was not a biologic dentist.
I was not interested in any of that stuff.
I had a completely different experience.
So at the age of 48, and I had lived a life the best that I could, being a sick person andunderstanding that I had a flaw.
And the other issue was that I was obese most of my life, no matter what I did.
And it's not uncommon for people with Crohn's disease.
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there is a dysregulation of a lot of things that goes wrong.
So it was one of those things where a bad combination of the emotional toll of having thatweird disease and then being unhappy with myself physically as a dentist, I'm a doctor,
I'm a health and wellness person.
If I can't get fit, what am I gonna be telling my patients?
So I struggled and I really, it's kind of funny because part of what put me on the rightpath was me struggling.
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I had tried so many times, so many different diets, so many different exercise regimensthat
At one point in time, I said, is what I'm gonna do, I'm gonna go to the gym for threehours every night.
And I got up in the dark and I went to bed in the dark and then basically I got very sick.
I started to have anxiety at a time I never had it before.
And then I got MRSA, methazillin resistant staph aureus.
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And I had some really bad abscesses and it didn't make any sense to me.
My girlfriend at the time did not have it.
So, we were sharing a bedroom.
And it didn't really quite strike me what could be the issue there, but the anxiety got myattention and I started really having more severe issues.
I want to make...
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Yeah, please.
on you're still on prednisone during all of this?
Is that what's happening?
No, I had tried different medications.
I'd cycled on and off every medication that, know, wherever I was, I found a differentgastroenterologist.
Hey, what's the latest stuff?
You know, I tried them all.
And interestingly enough, you know, some,
you were on medication at the time you got to MRSA.
That point in time, no, I think I had given up.
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I was just dealing with my symptoms.
I had learned how to live my life, getting up early and that type of stuff.
So I still didn't know really what was wrong with me, but I knew something was wrong.
And it wasn't until very interesting experiences, dentists, I'd already been in the fieldfor 25 years and I was always looking for the next thing.
What could I learn?
And I started to learn about sleep apnea.
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And this was something that was brand new.
It was being marketed to me saying, hey,
you can help your patients and you can make money the typical way that the dentalmarketing goes.
And I really wanted to get into the apnea space, because I could see that lot of mypatients were suffering from it.
And I had been in that location already for about 10, 15 years.
And so on a weekend class in Las Vegas, I put on a sleep study mask and discovered that Ihad apnea.
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know, to anyone who's listening to this who knows anything about apnea, I had an AHI apneahypopnea index of 22.
And that was a shock to me because I was at my most fit ever.
And yeah.
Just explain that to the audience what the results were for the sleep apnea.
So apnea is measured in whether it's mild, moderate, severe by the number of times youstop breathing for 30 seconds or more.
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And those are your apneas.
Okay.
So you get graded if it's above 30, they tell you you should be wearing a CPAP if you'rechoking 30 times an hour.
So I was at 22, which was moderate and it was a perfect fit for an oral device.
So I was learning about them.
What do they do?
How do they work?
And to anyone who doesn't know, dentists treat sleep apnea.
And we do that for people who
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can't wear a CPAP, won't wear a CPAP, have failed CPAP.
And it's a relatively effective treatment.
stops snoring immediately.
And that's usually the major complaint.
People don't come to me saying, I have apnea.
I know it's going to increase my risk for all these chronic inflammatory diseases.
They say, I got kicked out of the bedroom.
I'm snoring.
And so the nice part about an oral device is it's easy to fit if you know what you'redoing, and then it can stop snoring as little as one night.
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And to anyone out there who is wearing one of these, if you are not wearing a mandibularrepositioning,
piece, then you're making a mistake.
stop right away, call your dentist because you always want to put your job back up intothe right position after you've had it forwards all night.
And that's maybe a discussion we get into a little deeper if people want to know moreabout apnea.
My story is interesting though, cause that was the impetus.
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just, let's just dissect that for a second.
So the mandible of course is your lower jaw.
And what you're saying is that as people are sleeping, their mandible, the lower jaw movesout of position.
Is that, that what you're saying?
the oral device is designed, it's a mandibular advancement device and is designed toincrease the volume of the airway because people to this day still believe this is a
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structural issue and it is.
So right away I want to say that sleep apnea is a complete neurological condition.
It is not structural.
The structures of the airway and the jaw and the tongue can amplify, but they are not theroot cause.
The bigger tongue and the fat neck, that's a result of many, many years of choking in yoursleep.
The syndrome itself starts as early as birth and it changes over the years.
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So to learn this and to start to, I went around the country, I went to Canada, I wentaround the country to see, there's different groups who believe it's head position.
Some people think it's a tongue tie.
So all dentists are very hard workers and we like to be scientific.
So we like to get a reason for this.
And so a whole industry has been created about these different possibilities.
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Where do we put the jaw?
You know, what are we going to do?
And so those men to advancement devices, they're an allopathic treatment.
They treat the symptoms of disease and they do treat the root cause a bit because ifyou're choking in your sleep all night, you're, you're basically, you're having a cortisol
spikes and you're not sleeping.
So once you get one of those men to advancement devices in there, it can be life changingand have many, many people who, who they've regained their life because it allowed them to
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sleep and it's not the, it's not the device that works.
It's the sleep.
The sleep heals you.
If you don't restore yourself every night, you're going to break down.
And how you break down is going to be based on you and your genetic predispositionpositions in that.
All right.
So this all led me to a very interesting place because I disagreed with everyone.
Some people, and I had a woman who came to me who said she was a petite 26 year old womanwho said the last dentist she went to that she should have the sides of her tongue cut off
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because it was too big.
And she left that office and I said, please don't ever do anything like that.
So all the, the,
what I'm hearing you say is that you could get her tongue to shrink down if you actuallykind of take a root cause approach here.
Right.
what's the neurological root cause of all this?
All right, well, I want to stop and give credit to who I discovered is a neurologist bythe name of Stasia Gomunac.
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The majority of this is her work.
And I took it as a clinician.
She's no longer practicing.
I took her protocol as a clinician and started to do it on myself and then in my practice.
So the root cause, in my opinion, or the primary root cause of sleep apnea is anacetylcholine deficiency secondary to a vitamin D deficiency.
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So how this works, and I wanna make it sort of just a summary, is that when you're young,when you're a child and you have sleep apnea, you snore, you grind your teeth.
And to anyone watching this who has children who grind their teeth, it's a simple vitaminD deficiency.
It's a short circuit from the autonomic nervous system to the airway.
And if you think about it, our bodies are wired.
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We can live without food for quite a while and we can live without water for a while if weneed to, but we can't live without air for more than three minutes.
That's the priority.
Your brain is wired to control your airway.
You have to be paralyzed.
You have to be able to be swallowing.
You have to be able to have a coordinated breathing.
Your mouth is closed.
You're breathing through your nose.
expands.
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You get nitric oxide, expands the lungs.
So this is a very ancient breathing system that gets broken down.
And it's broken down when you think about this.
So acetylcholine is the primary neurotransmitter of the rest and digest arm of theautonomic nervous system.
Yep.
Okay, and so I want to lay this syndrome out just simply because then we can go fromthere.
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So step number one, vitamin D is known for many different things, but in my opinion, thethree most important things are for regulating the immune system, regulating the sleep
cycle, which I'll explain, and regulating the gut microbiome.
And of course, it makes sense that your vitamin D status would be related to your gutmicrobiome.
In winter, you may need a different gut microbiome, but what actually happens is thatthose bacteria
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they want that vitamin D as well.
And when your D level is evolutionary, and what people are walking around with now isnothing to do with that.
If your D level is evolutionary, and the zone that you wanna be in to be able totranscribe the enzyme choline acetyltransferase in the brain stem, because acetylcholine
has to be made in the neurons, you can't take it, it's not gonna cross the blood-brainbarrier, is that you need to have that higher D level to transcribe enough of that enzyme.
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Now that's step one.
you also need to have enough B5, pantothenic acid, which is the precursor.
So the combination and what makes it worse, if you're on a vegan diet now, you don't haveany choline.
So acetylcholine needs to be made and it needs B5, pantothenic acid.
And where does that come from?
It comes from the gut microbiome.
The four pieces of bacteria make the eight B vitamins and that's Stashe Gomenak's work.
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It's verifiable.
Is there a ton of studies to support it?
No.
But of course it makes sense.
So if we carry the gut microbiome that makes all eight B vitamins, that's our benefit.
And if we don't have the right vitamin D level, those beneficial gut bacteria, disappearor there's not enough of them to produce the B vitamins, right?
So not having enough vitamin B5.
Now, is it only B5?
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In this particular case, that's what I'm talking about.
Are the other B vitamins involved?
Well, sure they are for the production of energy.
And if you don't have enough ATP, you can't take your acetylcholine and you can't get it.
all the way down the length of the neuron through the motor proteins, they take one ATPfor every step.
So the question is how much energy is needed to run this system?
And if there aren't B vitamins, can it be run properly?
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So the simple supplementation in children of vitamin D alone will stop bruxism, clenchingand grinding and snoring and pediatric sleep apnea within days.
And it's shocking because...
is just so I'm clear now, you're talking about vitamin D3, is that right?
Okay.
And are you talking about synthetic vitamin D3 or are you talking about the kind ofvitamin D that comes out of food or?
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Well, so I believe that vitamin D is a structural molecule hormone and I believe that it'sbest to get it from the sun.
If you live in Northern climate, I believe there's nothing wrong with supplementing it.
I saved my own life by simply supplementing this.
When I learned that vitamin D was important, all I did was I went to CVS Pharmacy and Ibought one bottle of magnesium.
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I was not supplementing anything.
I did not care about supplements.
I was not interested.
I bought one bottle of magnesium.
one bottle of vitamin K2 and one bottle of vitamin D3 and I began to raise my vitamin Dlevel in an effort to reverse my apnea.
So walk us through why you added the magnesium in the K2 for the audience here.
Well, over the over time and in my vestiges was 10 years ago.
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So this wasn't a hot topic back then.
It was it was just the beginning of the biohacking movement and it wasn't well known thatif you took vitamin D, you should take it with vitamin K2 to manage the calcium.
And it wasn't well known.
know, magnesium, I think, is obvious to supplement because it's really been removed fromour food chain with all the modern processed foods, particularly glyphosate, which is a
key later.
It's going to steal those minerals and you're going to need to supplement.
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that combination.
of D3, K2, and magnesium, I started to call them the terrific trio.
And if you look deeper into my work, you're gonna find the foundational four, and that'svitamin D3, vitamin K2, magnesium, and organic sulfur.
Two vitamins, technically, vitamin D is not really a vitamin, and two minerals.
And the reason that I call them the foundational four is that I believe thatsupplementation of those four elements is gonna reverse.
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literally 80 % of the chronic inflammatory illness that we see.
20 % of the people are gonna need to have much further investigation into their health.
But for so many people, just taking those three items, I added the sulfur after I met Dr.
Stephanie Senif and I realized what the Zeta potential was and that the lack of sulfurcould contribute to cardiovascular disease and to joint breakdown, you know, the drying
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out of your fascia.
So those have been my focus, and this was all about 10 years ago I discovered this.
Okay, interesting, really interesting.
And so in doing this, you've been able to fix yourself, I take it.
Well, let me tell you what happened.
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So I was working on my sleep.
I made myself an oral device.
But the strange thing that happened was, so when I was in dental school, I startedgrinding my teeth and I made my first grinding guard in 1987.
And I never questioned it.
I grind my teeth, I wear my grinding card at night.
And then over the years, I saw more and more and more of my patients every year coming insaying, I'm grinding my teeth, I can't stop.
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So I made more grinding guards.
But as I started to raise my vitamin D level, did it carefully because I didn't know it.
10 years ago, there was literature saying, oh, you're going to die of an overdose if youtake 10,000 international units.
That's toxic.
And that's what I take during this time change, even here in Southern California, becauseI have a job.
I can't be outside.
So I take that 10,000 IU every day.
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So what happened to me was that over a three month period, I wasn't really focusing on it,but I woke up one day and the pain that I had felt in my back and in my knees and in my
neck was gone.
I realized that my Crohn's disease had receded so profoundly that I caught myself out inpublic not knowing where there were bathrooms.
And that was a shock to me.
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So it was an accidental reversal of Crohn's disease by raising my vitamin D.
And I still didn't really understand the profound nature of vitamin D.
I had a good idea based on Dr.
Gomenak's work of what it was doing.
But then I sat down and did a bunch of research.
This was before CHAT GPT.
So I did it myself on PubMed.
And of course I found studies that when
They took a group of 30 people with Crohn's disease and supplemented their vitamin D and28 of them had complete resolution of the disease.
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I would have wanted my doctor to have seen that study, but you know what the world's like.
So I found two or three studies that verified it.
I had a mechanism of action, multiple, multiple anti-inflammatory killing the bacteriathat were endemic in my colon.
couldn't make enough butyrate.
had the wrong gut microbiome.
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there's multiple, the story of this, you know, it's complex and it's probably, you know,doesn't suit, suit your listeners who are probably at a higher level here.
But the story was shocking to me because, you know, I, I, I go back to my doctor?
No, of course not.
Because he wouldn't have been interested.
Not even a little bit.
And anyone, any, any person who's in some form of practice who realizes that they've beenwrong on something, they don't go back to their doctor because their doctor's not going to
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recognize it.
Even a close family friend could have cared less, you know.
And so what happened to me then as I started to see the real issue, now at the verybeginning of this journey, I discovered Westin A.
Price.
Now keeping in mind that I discovered and reversed my Crohn's disease at the age of 48, mylife was potentially over because I didn't do all the things that I wanted to do.
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I didn't have children because I didn't want to spread a genetic disease.
It's a real, it's mind blowing kind of realization that your whole life has been in vain.
Now also, I'm gonna turn to the side so you can see my profile.
I also suffer from a syndrome that I've labeled and we should call long face syndrome andthat's a mouth breathing syndrome that I see in all of the kids today.
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And that's because they can't breathe through their nose because their nasal septum withvitamin K2 deficiency becomes calcified inappropriately and their tonsils get swollen when
their vitamin D level drops down and you should know, you already know that tonsil size isinversely proportional.
vitamin D status, the lower the vitamin D, the bigger the tonsils.
And yes, studies exist on PubMed, more than one.
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And so now they have this airway obstruction.
These kids are breathing through their mouth and it narrows the palate and it totallyshrinks the airway.
This is massive because as these kids are suffering from a vitamin D3, vitamin K2,technically magnesium deficiency in childhood, as their bodies start to develop, first
issue is they're not sleeping right.
So their growth and development is delayed.
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Dental
Dental development shows you the physical age of a child.
Now, I didn't go into puberty until I was 14.
It was a terrible life.
And I see these kids showing up 14 years old, look like they're 10 years old.
They have the dentition of an 11 year old and they're 14, 15.
I see it every day.
So what struck me is that when I found Weston A.
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Price and he said vitamin D3, vitamin K2, ancestral diet.
Do not use, do not eat industrial seed oils.
He said that almost a hundred years ago, do not eat industrial seed oils.
And his work, it's not that it just wasn't celebrated.
It was completely hidden and still is.
There is not one single traditional medical or dental school that I'm aware of in NorthAmerica or anywhere that even features his work and says, this guy's a villain.
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This guy's wrong.
He talked about this.
He took these pictures.
I think that Weston A.
Price is, this is the most scandalous story because he is the modern father ofepigenetics.
Mm-hmm.
That's right.
at a time when eugenics was in full swing.
This is 1937, 1938.
And he's saying, hey guys, I don't think, so it was discussed that the destruction of thejaw was a result of the mixing of the bloodlines and nothing could be further from the
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truth.
He was showing the destruction of the jaw in one generation.
We know that's not evolution.
That is epigenetics.
That's the power of the environment, right?
if I recall, he was the guy that was looking at native cultures where their teeth were allstraight and everything was beautiful.
And then he was looking at civilized countries where people were eating early modes ofprocessed foods and more sugar and things and the kids were all messed up.
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Right.
And so, yeah, so that's kind of an epigenetic study, if you will.
Right.
You change the environment, you change the genetic expression.
Yeah.
yeah, so I want you to think of this.
So because his work was suppressed and still is suppressed, I went to dental school justup the road from where he was born.
And had I discovered his work in dental school when I was 19, I would have a completelydifferent life.
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So the idea, wasn't just this, this is so personal to me that I had my life taken away bythis stupidity, but the lack of the omittance of vitamin D as a powerful psychosteroid,
hormone and epigenetic moderator and the missing vitamin K2 to go along with it.
This is some of the most scandalous stuff in all of our medical history.
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And it resulted in me losing my life and having inappropriate, I had 15 root canals, I hadterrible dental work.
Why would a dentist still be having dental work done?
If you don't know about vitamin D and you wear sunscreen, you follow doctor's orders.
I was a good allopathic doctor.
and I would never go out.
moved to Southern California.
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I didn't know what was wrong with me.
I lived in Vancouver, British Columbia, and I was very unhappy.
I was about 250 pounds.
No matter what I did, I couldn't lose weight.
When I came to Southern California, my health improved definitely a bit, but I slatheredthat sunscreen on my face day after day, and I allowed myself to have all that UVA
radiation penetrate my face, and I had suppressed my vitamin D for years.
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So it wasn't a shock for me to get my first basal cell carcinoma.
And then when I went to get my MOHS procedure, which is the treatment, sitting in a roomwith people 10, 15 years older than me, all saying how, yeah, this is my third, fourth,
fifth trip.
You know, I wasn't very happy about that, but I understand why it happened.
I understand that sunlight is only healthy when you have all the components and you usethem appropriately.
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If you're a hunter gatherer, you don't need sunscreen.
If you want to wear sunscreen, really dig in deep.
And you know, when I started to write my book, I was going to call it, Sunscreen CausesCancer.
I ended up calling it the modern epidemic.
And what I mean by that is that there is a syndrome that's being caused by the humananimal being separated from the evolutionary elements living outside, living indoors.
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This place I call my home is a cage.
And we know that animals in captivity get sick because our zookeepers, our doctors, theyhaven't figured out how our bodies work and they don't know what to put in the cage with
us to keep us healthy.
And then it made me come up with my, one of my favorite sayings that you can't fix orrepair something until you understand how it works and know why it broke down in the first
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place.
And our doctors have no clue and I respect them so much.
And I'm one of them, no clue how our bodies actually work.
So when I discovered this, it started to really bother me and I wanted to share myinformation, but no one would listen.
If I called you up 10 years ago and said, Hey, I'm a dentist from Canada.
And I think that it's so important that all the pediatric dentists get on the bandwagon.
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Why don't we have room for all of our teeth anymore?
It's not evolution, it's epigenetics.
So, you know, this is why we don't have room for our wisdom teeth.
This is why kids need braces.
Now they need them twice.
When I was young, it was very unusual.
It wasn't identified because kids still played outside.
It was very different.
Now in the early 1990s, we have one more element coming in just to mess things up andthat's glyphosate.
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Now,
I've identified glyphosate as a villain and you've already understand that deuterium is avillain because you've done a podcast with Victor Saglowski who's great.
And so I made these the villains of what I created because this isn't right.
I see children suffering every day and my own patients don't necessarily listen to me.
When I tell them something, I started telling my patients to supplement vitamin D 10 yearsago.
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Some of them took them five years until their doctor told them they were low and said, Istarted supplementing.
I'm like, why did you wait till now?
because my doctor told me, I'm not insulted, I'm a dentist.
People didn't come to me for vitamin D advice.
I gave it to them anyway, it didn't matter to me.
But the most important thing, I'm gonna tell you some really interesting and incrediblethings that I discovered in the syndrome, but the most important thing that I'm gonna do
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is if there's even one person listening to this whose child grinds their teeth, if theirchild sucks their thumb, if your child sucks your thumb, do not make them stop.
They are creating their own mandibular advancement device to keep alive.
And that's the bizarre part.
There's so many easy things that can be done to fix this syndrome.
So I felt helpless because even my best friends, they could have cared less.
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They saw my transformation, but it didn't matter to them because they didn't experience ituntil you feel it yourself.
Until I was going to the bathroom 25 times a day sometimes and it changed to once a day.
I mean, this is I said to myself.
Wow, people are lucky that they get to do this.
Shocking, I know.
And this destroys people's lives.
So I knew that, yes, it's important that I talk to you.
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Your viewers are higher level.
You're talking about longevity and thinking about how to extend health, which I think isamazing because that's health in general.
But what I want to do is I want to incorporate this very simple information that Weston A.
Price uncovered and that I'm trying to modernize into popular culture so that it becomespart of the fabric of society.
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Because I want you to think about this.
Initially, vitamin D deficiency caused rickets.
When we got rid of it, they put a tiny bit of vitamin D into everything.
500 IU, 100 IU, 100 IU in Trinidad units per day is enough to stop rickets.
And then we forgot about it.
I have on my Instagram post, I have a picture of Schlitz beer.
was a sunshine beer with vitamin D.
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Then tuberculosis came around and we used to send our people to lie.
I have a picture of people lying in hospital beds to reverse tuberculosis.
How many times are we going to forget how important vitamin D is?
And you know, so to me, this is it.
This is the last time.
This is my last stand.
I don't want to leave this planet until this information is a part of society.
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So I decided to put my efforts rather not into research.
I don't have to prove this to anyone.
It's there.
The studies are there.
The mechanism of action is there.
It's obvious.
If you have a child that's suffering, you can do this within weeks.
You can change the trajectory of their life.
So what I most wanted to do was to be able to incorporate the simple information and makeit irrefutable.
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And that's when I created my cartoon characters.
And here's one of them right here.
That's Marty mitochondria, as in your mitochondria.
So I wanted to put this into popular culture like TikTok and Instagram.
And that's exactly what I'm doing.
So right now, after 35 years in dentistry, I shifted gears to do what I need to do.
And that is to be in media and entertainment.
I took media training.
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I hired animators.
I got one of my patients who's an artist to create these characters with me.
And that's really to insert
some sense into kids' lives.
If you, anyone listening to this who has kids, you can see how empty the cartoon world is.
It's just a bunch of rehash nonsense.
Now, I have a whole movie called Enzymes, Mother Nature's Nanobots, and it's, imagineFinding Nemo instead of fish.
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It's enzymes, and instead of telling you a silly story, they're gonna elucidate science bytheir music, their song, their dance, and humor.
Tongue-in-cheek humor that's good for parents and kids.
So my focus for the next 35 years of my life, and I am counting on you to help me to makethat happen, is that I need to change this paradigm.
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This is the most important thing.
10 years ago, I was crazy.
Five years ago when COVID came, people started to think, maybe he's onto something.
And now with the new government, this is the right time.
RFK can ban red dye number three, but big pharma, big food, big agri is going to be therefighting this battle.
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and who's gonna be doing the opposition, everything's corrupted in the government, evenwhen you understand something.
It's very hard to make a change.
So my decision was to bring this to the masses and to make it fun and to let peoplememorize this stuff, kids will memorize everything.
And if you give them something more than some nonsense, I don't wanna name any franchises,but they'll remember it.
So my cartoon characters are amino acids and enzymes.
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Sorry to have gone on so long.
But I have a lot of knowledge on dosing vitamin D, how to treat sleep apnea, how to treatpediatric sleep apnea.
But what I really wanted to make it clear to who I am, what I want to do 35 years as aclinician is enough.
Me working on one person, it doesn't work for me.
I want to share my information with a wider audience.
And that's one of the reasons I'm here.
Obviously I'm fascinated by your work because as you get into vitamin D, you realize thisis the hormone that can keep you young.
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And if you don't know about it, you're in trouble.
And sleep apnea,
is very obviously of item D deficiency like so many things including Crohn's disease.
I'm, yeah.
it's fascinating work that you've done.
We find that biology is many times multifactorial, that it's not always reduced down to asingle thing.
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That being said, I think that there is really a dearth of vitamin D.
There's a pandemic, an epidemic of vitamin D deficiency.
And I think the numbers are all wrong to your point.
30 or 35 is good enough.
I mean, we've always pushed vitamin D to 70, 80, 100, 110.
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We see 110, we don't really worry about it, right?
Because that's not a problem.
And we always combine it with K2 because you need the two of them to, you know, movecalcium around appropriately to get it in the bones and out of the arteries.
So yeah, that's all good.
But I wasn't really aware of the connection with Crohn's disease, which is interesting, orwith bruxism, which is grinding of teeth.
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So it's interesting that you've come across that.
You know, it's also interesting that you're basically educating children with sort of theconcept of scientific literacy or health literacy even, right?
So there's an element of scientific literacy and an element of health literacy going on,which isn't taught.
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And parents don't know how to teach it because they're illiterate themselves.
And then the schools obviously don't teach it because they're lined up with traditionalmedicine.
So, you know, I applaud the work that you're doing.
And I think
It's very, very cool.
I'm going to relook at, we do sleep studies for people and sleep, diagnose sleep apnea andthings like that.
I'm going to, I'm going to relook at all of our vitamin D levels.
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I'm, yeah, I'm, I'll be very curious to see your findings, but, you know, I created asleep restoration program.
And so I'm actually very curious to know, I know you've got a great facility and you do alot of great stuff.
I was curious to know what you did with your sleep apnea patients.
If you recommended a CPAP or I don't, you know, I'm curious to have someone like yourselfwho understands the higher level stuff.
How do you treat apnea?
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Well, it's interesting, you know, there's a real correlation between hypothyroidism,subclinical hypothyroidism and sleep apnea.
yeah, there's more to thyroid than vitamin D, I'll tell you that.
But the point, now let me just finish for a second.
there is, there's a real connection between hypothyroidism and sleep apnea and they sortof play off each other.
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And it's really important, I think,
when you're evaluating somebody with sleep apnea to do resting metabolic rates, so youactually see what is the set point for thyroid activity at the cellular level, we find
that that's missed all the time.
You can't look at blood work on thyroid and they're in the quote unquote normal range andso everything's fine.
That's really, really a misnomer.
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The other thing that's interesting is the genetics around thyroid in the sense that...
It's a DIO2 enzyme that basically diodinates T4 to T3 in the brain.
DIO1 does it systemically.
So you can actually have normal thyroid levels systemically.
You can even have a normal resting metabolic rate and you still can have a dearth ofactive thyroid in the brain if you don't know your genetics.
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So really unraveling that not to get thyroid where it needs to be in the brain also fromour perspective is also a key
thing in treating sleep apnea, right?
So, we do that kind of work.
And then, yeah, we do have people that get CPAP, but then we're also looking at all thevitamin levels, right?
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The D3K2, the intracellular levels, the extracellular levels, and deconstructing all that.
And then we do look at body composition as well, right?
So, and insulin resistance.
So, all that sort of factors in.
So really, it's multifactorial.
The other thing
Is that a lot of people, when they get hormonally depleted, they have a difficult timemaintaining proper body composition.
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Their brains don't work as well, right?
Talk about brain dysfunction, estrogen levels go down.
And a lot of men, when they're put on testosterone, they're basically robbed of estrogenbecause they're put on a drug and it actually is all the block testosterone to estrogen
conversion, right?
So now, know, women's brains are very sensitive to lack of estrogen as they go through.
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menopause and men are too, particularly if they're put on testosterone.
to us to really optimize the whole scenario here is more than ever a single agent.
certainly what you're talking about, there's no denying that vitamin D is critical, right?
It's not even important, it's actually critical.
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yeah, anyway, so that gives you some.
interject when I say vitamin D, what I really mean is sun exposure.
So keep in mind that when I started this process, I wasn't thinking about sun exposure.
I thought I spent a ton of time in the sun and the supplementation works.
that even goes back to, know, with synthetic vitamin D.
My supplementation of inexpensive vitamin D from CVS worked.
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Now, however, once I started to realize why would I wanna do this?
So I believe it's being in the sun is actually much more health promoting than just simplyvitamin D.
interesting, let me interrupt that.
So interestingly, as we age, we don't convert inactive vitamin D to active vitamin D inthe skin as readily as we used to.
So there's also a decrease in that ability to do that.
So now you're making a trade off between, you know, sun exposure, you know, the ozonelayers back, but sun exposure, which we think is fantastic.
(34:45):
And actually, really interestingly enough, it's early morning sun that is some of the mostimportant sun to bring in through your retina.
It actually activates melatonin production.
It turns your brain on.
gets everything going.
It increases acetylcholine synthesis.
So early morning sun is good and you don't really get a burn from it, right?
You don't really get burned in the first, know, when the sun's at 15 degrees, you're notreally getting a burn, right?
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It's at two o'clock in the afternoon.
The other thing about the skin cancer and your basal skill cell cancer is you can never, Ican, if you take helio care,
Heliocare is polypodium leukotomus, comes from a fern.
If you take that capsule every day or twice a day, when you go out in the sun, you take itevery four hours, I will bet you that you won't get another skin cancer.
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We have wiped out skin cancer for so many people, and so that's been super useful.
And I don't wear sunscreen, but I take heliocare every day.
I've never had a skin cancer.
And when you do that, you can actually get more sun exposure.
to your point.
if sun exposure is important, that's a good thing.
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And the other thing about being outside, of course, is electrical grounding.
That has a big impact on the whole system as well.
So yeah, anyway, those would be my thoughts.
Very good.
And I agree with her on all that.
yeah, what I'm, the problem is that when you say to somebody, you know, your vitamin Dlevel is low, you have two choices.
You supplement, you go in the sun and you know this already that every single one of mypatients say, I have an uncle that had melanoma and I have to say melanoma is actually
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vitamin D or sunlight deficiency because you don't get melanoma on your nose or on yourhead or on your ears like you do the other two cancers.
Anyway, it's not a very interesting discussion, but.
It's not the vitamin D, it's being in the sun.
And that's where I, when I got into deuterium and I became fascinated with that.
And so the question is, why are you really down regulating your ability to make vitamin Dor is the cholesterol in your skin deuterated and it's much more difficult to make vitamin
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D?
Because that's a conversation that's worth having.
more deuterium that is in, so the point that I made earlier was that,
Glyphosate got into our food chain early 90s and as the glyphosate increases, the vitaminD level goes down.
Glyphosate destroys the enzymes, the cytochrome P27 enzyme.
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These enzymes are destroyed by glyphosate.
So you may have a child who's been getting vitamin D supplemented and you may have a childwho's outside, but their ability to activate, to hydroxylate vitamin D from the vitamin
itself into the active form.
it's much more difficult.
So they're gonna show a lower 25 OHD level.
that's someone says, I've been taking vitamin D, but my level's not going up.
Look at your diet, how much glyphosate are you eating?
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So that's a component.
yeah, and we measure glyphosate in our clients all of them we measure glyphosate levelsBut we get a feel for that now because we know it's that important.
Yeah.
No, that's interesting
and so when I did a podcast with Dr.
Stephanie Seneff and her major take to the table here is that it's the combination ofdeuterium and glyphosate together that destroys our mitochondria and metabolic disease has
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been rising in lockstep with glyphosate coming into our food chain.
And that's because glyphosate disrupts the enzymes of the electron transport chain and itallows deuterium
to get into the mitochondria.
All of these different enzymes, they're specifically designed to be looking for a hydrogenrather than a deuterium.
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And I encourage anyone to watch that podcast.
And this combination of deuterium and glyphosate, I called them the tag team of terrorbecause they become very dangerous together.
Glyphosate changes the way that these enzymes are folding, making the normal shapeunreliable.
And then you can't produce energy and too much deuterium is getting into
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the mitochondria and you know, back to your podcast, it destroys how the nanomotorsrotate.
And you know, and that's my record label, that's the cross section of ATP synthase rightthere.
And that's, know, the key to multicellular life is the mitochondria and are these rotors,these nanomotors that Mother Nature designed.
And so we're poisoning the system by having this glyphosate in there that's destroying ourability to differentiate between a hydrogen and a deuterium.
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And so
difficult.
It's, let me just interrupt for a second.
It's difficult to get glyphosate out.
Even if you're eating organic foods, it's difficult to get it out completely.
Right.
We, test everybody here for glyphosate and some people are elevated and some, but nobody'slike low, right.
Because it's become so ubiquitous in the environment.
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Even if you're, even if you buy an organic food, the guy three crops over blows throughthe wind.
Right.
So it's.
Yeah, it's really, it's really kind of a systemic problem at this point in time.
And deuterium, that's also systemic.
It's difficult.
You can drink deuterium depleted water.
I don't know if that's what you do, but it's very expensive.
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so I don't know what
The food you eat is much more important than the water that you drink.
think that deuterium-depleted water is a great adjunct, and especially if you haveunlimited funds and you have terminal cancer, I'd be swallowing a ton of it.
Just so the audience understands, let's talk about deuterium.
You know, it's a hydrogen with an extra proton and it's heavy water, if you will.
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And there are areas in the world, certain springs and things like that, that have very lowdeuterium concentrations, right?
I think they're down around 20 parts per million, maybe as opposed to normal, which is140.
I may have that wrong, but something like that.
So the lowest deuterium water you'll find naturally is about 90 parts per million.
And you're going to find that in glacial waters at very high elevations.
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It's past the Himalayas.
So all the heavier, so there's three forms of water, H2O, HDO, and D2O.
D2O is heavy water.
But that semi-heavy water, that'll drop sooner.
the air that gets farthest up and highest up is the lightest.
And when that falls down, that's going to be the most depleted in deuterium.
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So I became sort of a semi-expert in all these things.
And it wasn't just understanding the science.
I understand the science.
I've got a scientific background, but it's being able to explain this.
Why is this important?
And I had...
let me ask you, what do you do to keep glyphosate out of your life and deuterium out ofyour...
So that's a great question.
So first of all, most importantly, intermittent fasting.
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I make all my meals.
I eat one meal a day and that meal is extremely grass-fed, wild-caught, extremely allwhole foods.
So I try not to put any sauces or anything that is gonna potentially have glyphosate init.
And you could have this beautiful meal and then you have some soy sauce and it could beloaded in glyphosate.
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So I'm very careful about how I eat.
And I do buy organic.
Yeah.
Sure.
because there was a nice study done on about 20,000 people between 99 and 2014 that lookedat eating habits and all-cause mortality and cardiovascular disease mortality.
And they found that people that ate one meal a day had an 80 % increase in cardiovascularmortality and all-cause mortality.
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And they found that people that ate three times a day actually had the lowest mortality.
People that skipped breakfast had a higher mortality.
We've become a little bit skeptical of this idea of one meal a day as being actuallyhealthy.
And the reason is that, it's not that intermittent fasting isn't good.
It's that eating is actually stressful.
It's stressful on the body to, particularly if you're going to take all your calories inone sitting, it represents a big sort of metabolic load on, on the body.
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So talk to me a little bit about that.
So I do have, I do a yogurt in midday with some timeline.
I do coffee with butter and sometimes maple, organic maple syrup or organic honey.
So I want to spike my cortisol in the mornings.
That's what my morning coffee is.
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I don't want to eat poor quality food.
I don't want to eat during my day.
And I prefer to eat, you know, my main meal.
want to have the...
I wanna cook it, I wanna smell it, wanna taste it, I wanna enjoy eating it.
And this is what I'm doing at this point in time for my health.
I'm also doing a lot of mimicking fasting.
So, you
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yeah, fast mimicking diet.
Yeah.
So I think, I think all, I think all that's good.
I the five day fast mimicking diets are good.
think Mimeo is good also as a, as a dieting mimetic, if you will, which is a supplementthat was created, really to look at what are the molecules that the body excretes, when
we're fasting.
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And they basically took four of those that give a lot of the fasting benefits and put theminto a capsule.
Right.
So, so I think that's very interesting.
I will say that in the study I was referencing the people that ate their meal at dinnerhad the highest mortality.
So just FYI.
I try and get my meal at 4pm is the time I technically want to eat.
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let me just give you a little advice for a second.
If you're gonna have that meal, I'd space it out over a couple hours rather than sit downand eat the whole thing at once, simply to kind of space out the metabolic load, if you
will, right?
So anyway, that's me trying to look out for you a little bit, right?
no, I appreciate that.
Cause I would love to come in and do your program at some point in time.
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I think that'd be fascinating.
But you know, when you, when you say that, so what are those people eating for their onemeal?
What is their vitamin D status?
What is their light exposure?
There's just so many factors.
this was general population.
These were not health and optimization individuals.
But, but, but, but it was 20,000 people.
So it's not trivial.
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Well, and those 20,000 people were probably people who never had a vitamin D test in theirlife or eating processed foods.
However, I like the, I like your advice, but I like to think of things.
So my paradigm is called MHC stands for modern hunter gatherer.
And I like to think of things from an evolutionary perspective.
And I'm thinking about how the majority of our evolutionary history was feast or famine.
And I believe that's how our biology got put together.
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I feel best when I follow that.
And I, you know, I don't, I'm not, I'm not overloading myself.
I'm, know, I'm trying.
me interject that too, because some of us are still hunter-gatherers and some of us arenot genetically.
Some of us have evolved away from being hunter-gatherers and we test for that also.
So it comes down to basically how many copies of the amylase gene you have.
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So the hunter-gatherers have a low number copy of amylase genes, right?
Which amylase is the enzyme in your mouth that's secreted in your saliva, also in yourstomach, that, that helps you break down carbohydrate.
And evolutionarily.
We didn't have many copies of that.
And so we were in the hunter gatherer mode.
Carbs were kind of a rarity, if you will.
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But as things evolved, certain people have adapted, although it's only been eight, 10, 12,I don't know.
You look at different numbers from when agriculture started 16, 18,000 years, somewhere inunder 20,000 years, right?
That we've been exposed to agricultural foods and people have adapted.
And there are now people that have up to 20 copies of the amylase gene, right?
On the planet.
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And the highest we've measured here.
is about 12, right?
But we have many people that are two, three, four.
Those are the hunter-gatherers.
But people that are eight, 10, 12, they've actually migrated away from a hunter-gatherergenetic makeup.
So the concept that hunter-gatherer is like what everybody on the planet needs is notnecessarily the right answer.
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Fair enough, fair enough.
I didn't expect to come on this podcast and get schooled by you, but I enjoy it.
I enjoy it.
So I'm always trying to learn, okay?
Yeah.
So, yeah.
Yeah, so anyway, I think the bottom line here for the audience to take away here is it'sreally important to get tested, right?
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It's really important to get, you should know your glyphosate levels.
You should know what your vitamin D levels are.
You should know what your vitamin K2 levels are, your magnesium levels, right?
To your point, those are all very important things.
And, you know, we have many ways to measure mitochondrial function here also, so we cansee actually who's in trouble and who's not.
So the point is, if you really want to optimize, I think,
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it's very important to, you know, to really test and kind of deconstruct the situation soyou know where you stand and then layer in the things.
And I think some of the recommendations that you're making are certainly, you know,incredibly helpful and actually linking some things together that I was unaware of, right?
Like the direct relationship to Crohn's or even Bruxism for that matter.
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And certainly the way your take on sleep apnea is very, very helpful also.
So.
Kudos to you on all of that.
I think that's really interesting.
Yeah, cool.
Great.
I appreciate the opportunity.
Again, my main concern is to share this information with the parents of young children whoare suffering and they're unaware.
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I had some parents who were putting a CPAP on their eight-year-old and there's lots ofreally weird stuff going on out there and I really wanna make that change.
I don't write about everything, but I really want this information.
I really wanna modernize Westin A Price's information and make sure that it gets theattention that it really deserves because I think that this is the majority of illness
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that I'm seeing is related to this syndrome.
you know.
think think Price's work was was really seminal.
think one of the things one of the big switches that got flipped in the epigenetic area,right?
The environment the kids were brought up in was how much sugar they had access to.
I think it was when they got access to sugar that everything kind of went went downhill.
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So, yeah, but it's it's fascinating work that you're doing.
I applaud it and we're happy to support it.
So how do people find out more about about where you're
what you're trying to do.
Sure, my website is called modernhuntergatherers.com and my Instagram ismodernhuntergatherers.
I'm pretty easy to find.
You can also look up vitamin D dentist and I'm in Southern California, I'm in Los Angeles.
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So definitely would love to share my information with anyone.
There's a really an epidemic of poor sleep with kids and parents are dosing their kidsmelatonin.
I don't know what the long-term results of giving your kid a ton of melatonin is.
But if you're one of those people driving your kid around in the car, in the car seat,trying to get your child to sleep, please keep in mind that it's vitamin D that's gonna
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make a massive difference.
And even if drops, I would be looking at a vitamin D3, vitamin K2 drop for your infant anda chewable for your child.
I have a company I've been working with to do an easy to supplement melt, a D3K2 magnesiummelt for kids.
Sugar-free, glyphosate-free.
And that's the product that I really want.
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every dentist and every pediatrician to understand this one thing can profoundly changethe way your child's airway develops and it's going to go on in later life to really be an
issue for them.
I love that.
love that.
Yeah.
Well, thanks for sharing your wisdom with Joel.
It's really been a pleasure chatting with you.
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My pleasure.
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