The Truth About Gun Buybacks: What They Don’t Want You To Know

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Now it's time for our gun truth of the week.
Gun Truth of the Week.
Okay, police sponsored gun buybacks.
A 2019 Los Angeles buyback collected over 1,000 firearms, but local reports estimated onlya small percentage were even potentially crime related based on preliminary police checks.

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Based on some studies and reports, as few as one to maybe 5 % of guns collected at U.S.
police gun buyback programs are typically possibly maybe linked to criminal activity withsome variation by look
In rare cases, this might be as much as 10 % in very, very, very high crime areas, buthigher figures are not well documented.

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More recently, findings in 2021, there was a working paper by the National Bureau ofEconomic Research or the NBER, and it was authored by Toshio Fersares, Joseph Sabia, and
Mark Anderson.
It's credible evidence that gun buybacks may increase gun...
crime in the areas where the gun buyback was conducted and the study also confirms thatgun buybacks do not reduce suicides, do not reduce homicides, which is consistent with

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other research and it also argued that resources spent on buybacks are often completelywasted.
So that is your gun truth.
of the week.
So Dakota Gun Buybacks, what are your thoughts on Gun Buybacks?

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That's an interesting question because I do have some thoughts.
I think in general, guns that are taken to gun buybacks are guns that would have neverbeen used in a crime and are generally law-abiding citizens who maybe inherited a gun and
don't want it or have never shot before and don't know how to use it or their husbandpassed away and they just got all these guns that they don't want.

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those guns were never going to get in the hands of a gang banger, right?
So I think in general, all of the media around gun buybacks being this great thing forsociety and it's making our community safer, that's not true, I don't think.
I think there's a very small percentage, like that study said, of guns that maybe your...

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brother committed a crime with this gun and now it's at your house and so you're gonna goturn it in because you're like I don't want this criminal gun in my house.
Exactly, but I don't know if it's really so much that the criminals themselves are like Idon't want a free gun anymore.
Like that's probably not how these guns are getting bought back.
Like, there's so many little problems with what's going on with gun buybacks.

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Starting with the name.
They're not buying it back because it wasn't theirs to begin with.
You know what I mean?
So this whole thing is just built on a foundation of propaganda.
They're not stopping crime.
They're not preventing crime.
They're not preventing homicide or suicide like these actual studies, you know, not thepropaganda, you know.

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biased organizations, not what they want you to believe, but the actual scientific surveyswhere they actually look into this.
That being said, the propaganda part, the PR part's important because they use these gunbuybacks to let society know.
dangerous guns are.
Which could be further from the truth.

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So that part I absolutely hate, but I had an interesting conversation with a high rankingperson in law enforcement here locally in San Diego.
Not a big deal, didn't give me secrets or anything like that.
But uh we were talking about gun buybacks.
And he's actually a gun guy.

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A legit gun guy, he's a professional law enforcement, but he's an absolute gun enthusiast.
And he was telling me, yeah, on the very rare occasion that a valuable firearm shows up,they absolutely try to educate him, like, hey, Mrs.
So-and-so, I realize that your husband left this and he passed away or whatever.

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You could get money for this.
And he says that without fail in all the years that he's done these gun buybacks, ifpeople are there doing
a gun buyback.
Their attitude is like, look, I just want to get rid of this.
I don't care if I'll go, you know, I'll take the $100 gift certificate.
I won't take it.
I don't care about the gift certificate.
Just take this out of my hands for whatever reason.

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They have kind of this irrational, or maybe it is rational, but they have this biasagainst owning the firearm.
But he also said that, like,
99.9 % of the firearms that show up at these gun quote unquote buybacks are trash.

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They're absolute garbage.
No one's using them.
They're not effective.
It's a pipe with something that looks like might have been a trigger kind of attack.
They really aren't firearms.
They really aren't doing anything.
It's just for show.
Well, it's interesting because you said.
that most people just wanna get rid of them once they're there.

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And I think probably for a lot of people who aren't familiar with firearms and who don'twanna own it, there is this piece of fear of like, well, I already did the emotionally
difficult job of packing up this gun, putting it in my car, painstakingly nervouslyshaking on my drive over to the police station, so no, I'm not gonna elongate this

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negative experience for myself.
But I wonder if the initial step,
is clear, if people knew, instead of going to a gun buyback, you could just walk into anFFL.
Well, now they just do that painstaking drive to an FFL instead of the sheriff'sdepartment or the local PD or the whatever, and maybe they make more money for the gun.

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So I think some of it is a marketing thing.
People just don't know what options are out there for them.
Yeah, and that's the challenge.
And I gotta tell you, right now I'm in the middle of evaluating the amount of politicalcapital, the amount of time that a volunteer or an FFL would spend.
Is this an effective step of combating these gun buybacks?

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Or should we just educate on the front end?
So like you said, rather than make that drive to a gun buyback, they make that drive to anFFL.
But none of those people are watching
this show.
Exactly.
So you and I could educate, educate, educate and we're just preaching to the choir.
So I'm curious if you're listening, if you're watching this, I'd love to hear yourthoughts on gun buybacks and how you know this show or an organization like San Diego

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County Gunners, what should we do?
You know, how should we combat it?
Yeah, I think one thing to remember here, because you're right, they're not listening toour show, the people who are going to sell a gun to a gun buyback.
But if all they've ever seen is a flyer from the sheriff's department saying, you know, ahundred dollar gift card for a long gun or a fifty dollar gift card for a handgun or
whatever, right?

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If that's the only thing they've ever seen, they might have no idea that they could getfive times that or, you know, ten times that at the FFL.
They just don't know.
So I think a piece of it is
you know, can advertise these gun buybacks like the, you know, the sheriff's office or thelocal PD can advertise it, but they should, you know, make it a little bit more clear, I

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think, that if you go to our gun buyback, the benefit, the only benefit of that is thatyou don't have to show an ID and we're not going to ask you any questions.
The only people that it benefits, honestly, are people who shouldn't have the gun or, youknow, shouldn't be selling the gun or whatever, or couldn't sell the gun to an F.I.
getting rid of their evidence.
Exactly.
So let's use it for what it's intended for, which is that.

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And everybody else who wants to sell a gun, let's funnel them into the FFL world.
But the question, guess, is how do we do And how important is it?
And all of those things.
I don't know.
So anyway, all right, ah that's your gun truth.
That's your discussion on gun buybacks.
Now we're gonna do something uh pretty thorough in the Q &A section.

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And every week I get questions and I try to give uh good answers.
This past week, I've gotten a ton of the same questions.
And it was some variation of magazines.
used with rifles in California in light of what's going on with the Freedom Week magazinesto where people who possessed...

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magazines that held more than 10 rounds during freedom week in 2019 can still possess themlegally while the Duncan case makes its way to the Supreme Court.
And I didn't think that this was going to be an issue.
I didn't think I was going to get a lot of questions on this, but I got a lot of questionsfrom people.
Cause when I'm normal capacity magazine, I'm thinking like a 15 round Glock 19 magazine,you know?

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And a lot of people said, Hey, wait a minute.
Can I now put a 30 round magazine in my AR pattern?
uh rifle with this decision.
I thought okay, it's time we got to go and review the assault weapons ban quote unquoteassault weapons ban in California and touch on that.

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It's been a while, I got a lot of questions that led me to believe that hey this is a goodtime to do a refresher course on it.
I'm going to show you two types of rifles, two types of uh ways to comply with Californialaw and own a, you know, the most common sporting self-defense rifle in the nation, which

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is an AR pattern rifle.
There are other ways to do it.
There are other opportunities, but these are the two most common.
And you can take what I've said here and apply it to a bunch of other differentsituations.
Now, I'm not an attorney.
This is not legal advice.
Any legal advice that you
should be given by a properly licensed attorney in the state of California who is not onlyan expert in California law but also an expert in firearms law so take that for what it is

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I'm just gonna give you the best information I have and again it's not legal advice sobasically if you want to own a rifle and comply with California state law
you don't want to run afoul of their assault weapons band, which could make, turn you intoa felon.
So if you want to own a rifle, go down to the shop and buy it and use it for self-defenseor home protection or sporting or whatever you want to do.

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um First thing is the assault weapons band only applies to center fire um semi-automaticrifles.
Okay, so it's got to be the caliber has to be center fire.
So it doesn't apply to rimfire.
So if your, if your rifle is 22 long, that's a rimfire cartridge doesn't apply.

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If your rifle is both action or manual action and it's not semi-automatic doesn't apply.
Now, if you have a rifle that is center fire and semi-automatic, then it, the nextquestion is, does it have certain features that they've been?
I'm going to show you an
example of what these features are.

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So we have a couple different examples here.
There are two ways to easily and most commonly comply with the law.
Okay, so the first thing is if it's semi-automatic, okay, and it's a center firecartridge, then it can't have what's called a flash suppressor at the end of the barrel.
This is not a flash suppressor.

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This is a muzzle brake, okay, a muzzle brake.
redirects the gases so it helps you deal with the recoil.
A flash suppressor helps minimize the flash so that basically it keeps you more concealed.
How do you know the difference?
Well, your first clue is going to be in the name.
If you're buying it that says, it's got a muzzle brake, it's a muzzle brake.
If it says, hey, it's got a flash suppressor, it's probably a flash suppressor.

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uh The next thing that they're looking for is does it have a foregrip?
A foregrip would be a grip that hangs down uh below the barrel.
for your offhand.
Does it have a foregrip?
The next thing they're looking for is does it have a pistol grip?
pistol grip is Goes down below the action.

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I'm not gonna get too specific here.
I really just want to touch on the highlights here So but basically this is a pistol grippistol grip is exactly what you think a pistol grip is okay The next thing is doesn't have
a telescoping stock so a stock that goes you know can be made longer or collapse Okay, ifit has any if it's semi-automatic

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Okay?
If it's center fire, you know, and, you know, then it can't have any of those features.
Okay?
So there are two ways to comply with that.
the other one is a magazine.
It can't have a detachable magazine.
Okay.
That's another important point.
And that's where we, what we wanted to talk about is, you know, with the magazine law,everything that's going on recently.

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uh
So there's a couple of different things that you can do.
uh First off, you can have an AR style rifle like this is that uh doesn't have adetachable magazine.
In other words, it has a magazine that stays in the firearm, which this doesn't have themagazine in it right now, but it stays in the firearm unless you actually break open the

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action, okay?
the action.
Okay, so you're basically disassembling the firearm in essence, okay?
So if you push this button, this particular product is called a juggernaut, if you pushthis button, then it actually breaks open the action, which you can kind of see.
Yeah, it's just a little tiny bit, but you can kind of see that little...

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So now the action is broken open, and then you can actually put a magazine inside the...
The firearm and then boom put the action back together.
Okay, I'm not gonna do it I'm not gonna put the magazine in there But the other thing isand what's important to people who have questions about the magazine law is it has to be a

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10 round magazine or less It can't be over a 10 round magazine.
So let's just review.
So this is a centerfire semi-automatic rifle It has a fixed magazine.
In other words, the magazine cannot come out unless you
disassemble the rifle and this has the juggernaut, right?
So you disassemble the rifle by pushing this and the action separates and then you can putthe fixed magazine in.

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The fixed magazine has to have 10 rounds, okay?
um And then you can have the evil features.
You can have...
The pistol grip, can have the telescoping stock, you can have a fore grip.
Um, and that's how you can comply with the law.
That's one way to comply with the law.
But the important thing is here in light of the Duncan decision is that magazine still hasto be 10 rounds or less.

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So that's version one.
That is the fixed magazine version of how to comply with California law when it comes tospecifically an AR pattern rifle, but any semi-automatic center fire rifle.
The other option, this is to, uh it's the same looking AR, right?
It's still an AR pattern, uh but this doesn't have any features.

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Now what do I mean by that?
Well, it's semi-automatic.
It's center fire, just like before.
actually has, this one has a detachable magazine.
You can just push the magazine release button.
It works like normal, but it doesn't have a pistol grip.
See this fin right here?
Prevents you from wrapping your thumb around.

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And because you can't wrap your thumb around, it's not a pistol grip.
Okay?
It doesn't have a collapsible stock.
You can't move this stock.
It's fixed in this position.
it um correct on that yeah okay so just want to make sure um okay so this is feature itdoesn't have a fore grip okay and it has a muzzle grip not a uh flash hider in this

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configuration you don't your your the assault weapons band doesn't apply to you incalifornia because you don't have any of the evil features therefore you can put any sized
magazine you want
in this type of rifle.
You can put a 10 round in, you can put a 30 round in.
So you could put this 30 rounder into this rifle and because it's featureless, you're notviolating the law.

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Okay?
So just to recap, you have the fixed magazine with the features, but only a 10 roundmagazine.
Or you have a featureless uh rifle.
and you can use any size magazine that you want, okay?
So any size in a feature list, only 10 rounds in a fixed magazine.

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Now, if you have magazines, like a 15 round magazine for your Glock or something like thatfor a pistol, you're totally fine.
You can use whatever you want in your Glock.
Now we did create a two page graphic on this and we have it up on our website that tellsyou what you can and can't do.
But I wanted to go over and show you how this decision and how Freedom Week magazinesaffect the California assault weapon ban.

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Okay?
What do think Dakota?
Anything you want to add?
Anything I missed?
No, I don't think so.
um So my rifle has the juggernaut system.
prefer being able to get a good grip on the gun.
I don't like how the fins feel.
don't like not being able to get my thumb behind the gun.
And I also, because I am teaching a lot and working with a lot of different people, I likehaving the adjustable stock because it's tough to have somebody who's smaller than me and

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somebody who's larger than me use the same gun when it's fixed in place.
So I prefer the juggernaut option, even though it does require that kind of break openeffect.
to separate that upper and the lower in order to drop the magazine for the mag releasebutton to work, it's gotta be open.
But besides that, it adds, I don't know, half a second to your reload time.

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It's not very impactful as far as overall shootability.
And I like that the rest of the gun feels the same as a normal AR-15 that you would shootanywhere else.
lot of it comes down to training.
If you pick a system, if you pick a platform, if you pick a pattern, whatever, um and thentrain with it, I think that everyone can get comfortable with some legal option out there.

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I want to emphasize, there's a lot of things I didn't talk about.
There are a lot of different options I didn't talk about.
There's a lot of history between today and when these assault weapons bans, in quotes,assault weapons bans, first happened.
history that I didn't talk about.
What I really wanted to do was do a quick demonstration and show people who aren'tfamiliar what the difference is between a fixed magazine and a featureless rifle and the

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fact that you can only use a 10-round magazine in a fixed magazine, you know,semi-automatic rifle, but you can use any size magazine in a featureless.
Again, you had to have, legally, had to have possessed these magazines during Freedom Weekin 2019 in order for them to be legal anyway.

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But I wanted to go over that and make sure that everybody understood.
Like I said, it been a while.
A lot of people have purchased ARs in the last five years, you know, since Freedom Week.
So there's a lot of confusion.
And that's totally fine.
If you have questions, ask questions.
There's no reason you should be an expert.
in these ridiculous laws.

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They're totally counterintuitive.
They don't make any sense at all.
They don't make you any safer.
They don't make the gun safer.
They don't help stop crime.
They don't exist in most places in the country, like overwhelmingly most places in thecountry.
It's just a very few places, a very few states in California, or in the United States thatthese ridiculous laws apply.

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And this, what I was just talking about specifically is just for California.
So there's no reason you should understand this, you know?
So if you're thinking to yourself, gosh, I didn't know that, or I'm confused, or I stillhave questions, you should.
These are dumb, goofy laws.
So reach out, let us know, you know, talk to a trusted source, feel free to email us,whatever.

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But I wanted to go over that and make sure that you had the information that you needed tobe successful.
And yeah, I hope that's helpful.
So that's your Q &A.
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So is your Glock now illegal to possess?
Well...
No, we're going to talk about it, but it's getting closer and closer to that reality.
They're making it harder, they being Sacramento, to own a Glock, the most popularself-defense tool, the most effective self-defense tool in the United States.
So they're making it harder for you to own it unless you're a cop, unless you're thegovernment, or unless you're a criminal.

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This isn't going to apply to you, or I'm sorry, it isn't going to help you, it's onlygoing to apply to the criminals.
So really, Glocks are becoming
harder and harder for law-abiding men and women to be used as a self-defense tool.
But criminals, they're still good to go.
So let's talk about exactly what's going on.
There's a bill, AB 1127, and it's making its way through Sacramento.

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In essence, what it's going to do is it's going to make it illegal for a dealer to sell aGlock or similar pistol.
There's this illegal piece, we talked about it last week, but it's a little piece that youcan put on your Glock.
You have to make it.
It's not like they sell it in stores.
It's this do-it-yourself.
And some of the older Glock models, you can attach it to the Glock and then it'll

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actually turn it into a full auto Glock.
So the newer Glocks, they have a piece in there that prevents the this do it yourselfillegal device from being installed.
But Sacramento took this as an opportunity to introduce a bill to further erode yoursecond amendment rights by making it so that any firearm that can accept this illegal do

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it yourself home manufactured piece that turns it into a full auto makes the
the entire gun illegal for law abiding citizens to buy from a dealer.
uh Most extreme way to handle this that I can even think of.
It's a very extreme anti-gun law.
Now this bill, when a bill is introduced, it goes through various committees.

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There are a bunch of different subcommittees in the assembly and the senate.
and they discuss it specifically, you know, is this uh legal?
know, is this constitutional?
How much money is this gonna cost?
You know, where they talk about specific parts of this bill and how it'll affect thestate.
Most recently, it was in the Judiciary Committee where they basically talk about, is thisthing, does it pass legal muster?

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And it actually passed that committee, which is unreal.
Now, the anti-gunners outweigh, outfielder,
outnumber the uh pro-second amendment folks in that committee.
Am I surprised that it's passed?
Well, I'm not shocked, but it's still pretty surprising that anyone can make the case thatAB 1127, if implemented, would be constitutional.

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Now I wanted to show you a quick video.
Sam Paredes from Gun Owners of California, who is an awesome guy and does a fantastic job.
He gave a speech to this committee and talked about uh just how bad this bill is.
And I wanted you to see from him directly, cause he did such a great job.
Mr.
Chairman and members, Sam Paredes representing Gun Owners of California and the CaliforniaRifle and Pistol Association.

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We heard this bill and this bill was heard in the Assembly Public Safety Committee and Iwant to point out a couple of things that were said today in the testimony.
uh First of all, these things are already illegal.
It is illegal to convert uh any firearm into full auto.
It is illegal to possess, under federal law, felony.

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So criminals are somehow able to acquire these things.
But law-abiding citizens are not.
Now mind you, this is pre-crime.
You're making something that is already illegal.
the hope that you're going to somehow make criminals comply with the law.

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Nothing can be further from the truth.
Also, this is the Judiciary Committee.
It is very important that you understand that under the Heller v.
Washington, D.C., the Supreme Court said that anything that is in common use for lawfulpurposes cannot be banned.
It is unconstitutional.

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oh
That's what they said for the federal government.
Then two years later in McDonald versus Chicago, the court came back and said, that is soimportant, we're going to apply it to the states.
Then Kytano said 200,000 stun guns was common use.
We have millions of glocks.

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And then the Bruin decision came and said that
when the second amendment is implicated that it is the burden of the government to provethat that the law they're considering has some source of reference with the text the
history and tradition of gun laws in america this law does not and the one big concern wehave is the exemption of of d o j from the

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administrative protection act procedures act which means they can do whatever they wantanyway they want and why they want and finally i will close with this and i i i appreciate
the indulgence of the extra time mister chairman this will go to court and we will winwe're winning on this issue in other courts in the country ultimately it is going to be

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the taxpayers of the state of california that are going to have to pay our attorneys whenwe ultimately win this issue in courts
That's Sam Prentice and as always that guy is spot on and right.
He's such a great guy.

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Gun owners of California uh is so fortunate to have him.
We're all fortunate to have him as well.
Wonderful, wonderful guy.
Explained it extremely well.
Now like I said, there's a lot of anti-gunners on that committee.
There's a lot of anti-gunners in the assembly in general and of course in the state senateas well.
Sacramento is not friendly.
They're very hostile to gun owners.

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But there are a few pro-Second Amendment folks and there were two
people that voted against this.
I wanted to bring your attention to one person who wouldn't vote against it.
She's a Republican in Orange County.
Her name is Diane Dixon.
I don't know why she wouldn't vote against this extreme anti-gun bill.
I called her office and asked for an explanation and the staffer said they wouldn't giveme an explanation.

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They just said that assembly member Diane Dixon, who's the vice chair of the judiciarycommittee, will have an opportunity to vote on this bill again.
So they wouldn't explain her vote.
All they said is, hey, she's going to vote on this thing again.
Well, Diane Dixon is actually running for county board of supervisors in Orange County asa Republican.
So I think we need to let her know how we feel about her not voting against 1127, AB 1127.

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So I need you to, we're going to have a link to email her in this video.
So email her immediately and tell her how frustrated you are that she didn't vote againstAB 1127.
Call her office and let them know how frustrated you are that she didn't vote against AB1127.
That's 949-798-722-4.

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So you want to encourage her to vote against AB 1127.
We need to make sure that she understands she's going to have a real hard time gettingelected for anything in Orange County, in California, in that district, if she continues
to ignore uh or take advantage of or take for granted Second Amendment people in herdistrict.

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So please email her and call her right now.
Make sure that she gets on the right page.
We have a rare opportunity to let her
know exactly how we feel about this.
Okay, so that's AB 1127.
So the Second Amendment is not a second-class right.
Of course, all adults have rights like voting, religion, and speech.

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Your right to self-defense is no different.
It's no less a right.
Iowa took
huge steps to do what government is supposed to do and that's protect the rights of adultsby making sure that 18, 19 and 20 year olds can own and carry arms.
Now what they did is they passed the law.
So there's actually a lot of, I think there are six lawsuits, I could be wrong, I thinkthere are actually six lawsuits just by firearms policy coalition that are making sure

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that 18, 19 and 20 year olds can own a firearm, can purchase a firearm, can carry afirearm for self-defense.
defense.
Once you are the age of majority, you're 18 in this country, you're an adult.
Which means that the government's job is to protect your rights.
And for some reason, the right to keep and bear arm is always kind of treated like thissecond class right.

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Like, well, look, speech is important, religion is important, voting is important, know,assembling, all that's important.
The press, that's extremely important.
But your second amendment, your right to keep them bare arms, your right to self-defense,not as important.
So maybe you're thinking to yourself, hey, I'm 18, or I'm not 18, I'm not 19, I'm not 20,why should I care about this?

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Well, the reality is that putting pressure on governments and putting pressure on thecourts to respect your second amendment rights for all adults, all adults, strengthens the
second amendment across the board.
Plus, we want to make sure that
people who are 18, 19, and 20 aren't being marginalized in society.
They have every right to be able to defend themselves, to be able to protect themselves.

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I know when this subject comes up, frequently people say, hey, we take 18, 19, and 20 yearolds, we give them rifles, tanks, and helicopters, and we say, hey, go to war on our
behalf.
But then when they come back, they can't defend themselves, they can't protect themselves,they're not trusted enough to own or buy or carry a firearm.

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Well, I'm very happy to say that the state of Iowa said, look, we're going to codify this.
We're going to turn this into law and protect the rights of 18, 19 and 20 year olds.
Breitbart wrote about it.
The governor signs the bill and now the second amendment rights of 18, 19 and 20 year oldsin the state of Iowa are protected thanks to the pressure by second amendment groups,

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including FPC.
That's good news.
It affects us all.
So I wanted to let everybody know.
And I think that's everything you need to know this week, legislatively or from thecourts.
Those are your bills and lawsuits.
And that is your Second Amendment Legal Update for the week.

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Okay, so now that we told you everything that's happening in the courts, all the laws, allthe bills that are being introduced, everything that they're trying to do to frustrate
you, make you mad, and take away your Second Amendment rights, now it's time to tell youwhat you can do about it.
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Well, there's a couple things you can do to get involved.
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This is the country of the self-governed.
You have to be involved.
You can't be a wallflower and then wonder, gee, what happened?
I did nothing and it didn't work.
Well, let's try doing something.
And if you've done something, fantastic.
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Thank you.
I'm asking you in 2025, do just a little bit more this year than you did last year.

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Get somebody else involved.
If you did one event last year, try doing two events this year and invite a friend.
So here's what's going on.
Talking about this a couple of times, I want you to mark your calendar.
It'll be here before you know it.
The 2025 Gun Rights Policy Conference by Second Amendment Foundation.
That's coming up.
It's actually going to be in Salt Lake City, Utah.

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There's just a hop, skip and a jump from Southern California.
Go to saf.org slash g r p c.
You can register there.
They even have hotel information.
It's September 26th through the 28th.
And it's really amazing.
You have speak.
You have attorneys, activists, influencers, commentators.

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have all kinds of Second Amendment leaders in the same room.
You'll get a ton of education, make a ton of connections.
I highly encourage everyone who can go to go.
I will definitely be there.
In fact, I'm taking a party crew, a party van up and we're going to do it right.
We're going to have a lot of fun.
Looking forward to it.
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That's this Wednesday.
So it's on the 30th.
You only have a couple of days.
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Tickets are still on sale.
It's only 25 bucks for the cocktail hour and the comedy show.
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It's just going to be us at a private event, just for Gun Owners Radio and San DiegoCounty Gun Owners folks.

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You don't have to be a member, but the whole group is just going to be a Second Amendmentcrew.
So join us.
Tickets are on sale.
Just go to SDCGO.org and it's right there.
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Happy Hour doors open at 530 and it's right here in the Claremont area.
All the information is on SDCGO.org.
Bring a date.

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25 bucks for appetizers and a comedy show is a really great night, especially with howexpensive everything is these days.
So please come and join us.
There's still tickets on sale.
Tabletops and shooting socials.
Those are kind of our, those are like our pillars of activism.
We always have tabletops going on.
We always have shooting socials going on.

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Tabletops in particular, we need a lot of help with these tabletops.
Tabletops are super easy and a lot of fun.
Someone actually picks the venue and they set it up
all the material, the table, everything is already all set up.
We just need you to volunteer and help that person out.
So you're never going to be alone.
We'll give you a free t-shirt.

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You can work the morning shift, you can work the afternoon shift.
It's at a, typically at a gun shop, but not always.
There's a bunch of different venues.
So you want to go to sdcgo.org slash volunteer and just check it out.
It's so easy.
It's a lot of fun.
We just need, we just need a few more volunteers to do that.
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Okay, our guest is Charlie Cook.
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He's absolutely fantastic.
He's a friend of the show.
We love him to death.
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He's actually on the floor with thousands of his closest friends at the NRA NationalAnnual Meeting.
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Charlie, how are you my friend?
Thank you guys for having me on.
I apologize about all the noise here.
When Rich contacted me and said, hey, we have two dates, I'm like, I'm at NRA one weekendand I'm doing college stuff for my daughter's graduation next weekend.

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So this is the lesser of two evils.
How exciting.
Yeah, congratulations to your daughter.
So you're at the NRA annual meeting, you're on the floor, they're doing something new thisyear as far as influencers, YouTubers, that sort of thing.
Talk a little bit about what they're doing.
Yeah, absolutely.
So they have this thing this year, they're calling it the Voices of the Second Amendment.

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And this was the brainchild of one of our good friends, Amanda Suffical.
She said, let's put a radio roll in at the NRA annual meetings and let's change it.
Let's, I don't want to say make it like the shot show, but let's add something like thatso people can see what is the saying, how the sausage is made, right?
Yes.
So there are, I don't know, 15 different people here.

(44:24):
15 different booths and they have three hours, we get three hour shifts.
So I'm glad that we were able to do this and do it during the time that I have the booth.
But Cam Edwards is here, Gun Talk is here, Eye on the Target's here, Tony Simon is here,Frank Johnson, uh Mike Piewiłarski from Arms and Radio, just a ton of people are here
doing a bunch of live shows.
It's fantastic and it's hard to do a show when you see like three people walk by and theyall wanna stop and say hi.

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Well, this is yet another, Dakota, I'm sure maybe you have this experience with Charlietoo, but this is yet another opportunity for me to live vicariously through Charlie.
He's always doing interesting Second Amendment stuff.
I'm so jealous.
went to, I've been to a couple of NRA shows, and it's like part gun show, part festival.

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part reunion.
m It's always a lot of fun.
It's very, cool.
And it's in Atlanta this year.
And I feel like there is a reinvigorated crowd.
you know, it comes to NRA.
I feel like the last few years, you know, people have been wondering, well, gee, what'sthe future of the NRA?
And it feels like, okay, we figured out what the future of the NRA is.

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And I, for one, am very, very positive about NRA's future and I'm looking forward to it.
What's it like on the floor?
You know, that, that's my feeling.
Is that the feeling that's going on at the show or what say you?
I think it is.
think there's with the new 19 of the 28 of the reform candidates elected to the board, Ithink there's going to be a lot of big changes with the NRA.

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I certainly hope there's a lot of big changes with the NRA because they've been strugglingin membership.
They've been struggling in a lot of different aspects over the last few years.
And having uh Wayne not be the executive vice president anymore, getting Doug Hamlin inthere, he really seems like a guy that wants to take care of some business and get things
done.
uh
They're making changes right away.

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Like he's only been in, you know, I know it's been about a year since last May or so, butthis was one of the big changes that they had.
They want to get more people involved and let people see that, there's a whole bunch ofpeople out here that are podcast folks.
uh I know some people are really upset about the old guard as they're calling them, uhthey're being called.
uh I think the old guard, we call them the old guard, but some people are, the people thatare the old guard call themselves NRA strong.

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So uh they're...
think there's less of them.
think there's more reformers that want to make changes and want to make it so that we havea good NRA.
Well, I agree.
I've been really impressed by Doug and I've been really impressed with um You know some ofthe staff that have moved up and stepped up efforts and I remember you and I I hope it's

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okay to talk about a personal, you know private conversation we had but I remember a fewmonths ago Charlie you and I were talking I was telling you I'm pretty skeptical.
I don't you know, I don't know what's going on here I'm not ready to just go down thisroad
and a lot has changed for me since then because I've talked to people, because I've seenaction and not just words.

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I don't know if you remember that conversation when I'm going, guys, I don't know, man.
I might just stay out of this and see how it develops, but I've totally changed my mind.
Yeah, I mean, this is something that you and I and John Petrolino have talked about, howyou're a little standoffish with the NRA stuff and you're like, I don't know, I don't
know.
You're a little skeptical about things.

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I really think that there are going to be some positive changes with the new crew and verymuch like a new administration taking over, there's going to be some changes.
It's going to take some time.
It's not going to happen quickly.
But I think it's headed in the right direction.
I think it's going to be a lot better for the NRA.
And they do need to make it much more active and they need to bring more people back.
get more members and keep growing, keep doing the things that they've been doing for along time.

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Good.
Well, what are your goals for being at the show?
What would you like to accomplish while you're there?
I just want to survive and make it out alive.
Well, you're at the safest convention slash annual meeting ever on the planet.
world.
So right, agree.
It's it's the safest place to be in the country right now.
But I got in, I drove down from Massachusetts, it took me man, the first day I drove 15hours, I drove from Massachusetts to Northern South Carolina, if that's a thing.

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I got to South Carolina, one of my friends called me up, I put some video as I was stuckin traffic.
And I said, Hey, you know what, I've been on the road for 15 hours.
She called me up and she's like, Are you okay?
Do you need some like someone to talk to?
Are you gonna fall asleep?
And she convinced me I needed to get a hotel.
So I got a hotel in northern South Carolina.
And then I drove down to Atlanta yesterday.
I came in, I got my credentials, ran into a few people, had lunch.

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And right away, like by four o'clock yesterday, before it even started, I was filming ashow with two different people yesterday.
And then I went back to staying with a friend that lives here.
So I went back to his place.
I'm like, all right, I know we're having dinner and hanging out and grilling out andwhatnot.
I've got videos I need to upload.
I've got some work to do.

(49:30):
I saw you stuck in traffic.
I was gonna suggest that it's probably the perfect opportunity for you to get caught up onepisodes of Gun Owners Radio that you may have missed, but then I realized you were trying
to avoid falling asleep, so I didn't recommend that.
But listen, I wanted to talk to you about the New Jersey CCW thing that's going on.
We've talked about it a little bit.

(49:52):
Petrolino's talked about it a little bit.
I wanted to get your take and hear from you on it, because I know it's something thatyou've...
are knowledgeable about as well.
Yes, so John convinced me that I should get the FID card for for New Jersey because I'm ahI'm not gonna say whether or not I brought shotguns with me when I went down to uh to go

(50:15):
do some sporting clays in Pennsylvania and Virginia with him, but I do like to use my ownblasters.
So He convinced me I need to get the FID card.
That was uh Then the whole Jersey thing is a whole process.
So it's sit through a uh
26 light PowerPoint that cost me 50 bucks.
Then after that, I had to go do digital fingerprints, which from what I understand, thegovernor of New Jersey is owns is part owner of the company.

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Part owner of the company that ah does the digital fingerprints so that cost
Interesting.
No conflict of interest there.
Right.
That cost me $98.
So I'm 150 bucks in this was in February.
uh When I would get I they they do.
I think I had to have two, two references, I think is what it was.

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And honestly, as soon as they got my information and my money, they messaged my myreferences because like both my people were like, hey, you know, Petrolina was one of
them.
He says, Hey, I got the
the recommendation and I went through and I you know everything's fine then like threedays later I talked to the other friend I'm like hey have you gotten anything from the New
Jersey State Police she's like I wanted to ask you about that I'm like just sayeverything's fine right every time I would reach out to New Jersey the the first email I

(51:33):
would get is very much don't ask any questions we'll let you know when we have your stufflike nothing like it was very cold very you know very robotic
And then like three days after that, I would get another email that says, well, this iswhat you're, you know, you're missing this or the fingerprints weren't going through.
So the first email I got is your fingerprint number was wrong.

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And I'm like, I didn't do this.
This isn't my fault.
So I sent them a copy of the receipt and they corrected it.
And then, then I sat on this for months.
Like this is in February.
I think by March, everything was done.
March or April all summer long.
I got nothing.
nothing, nothing, nothing.
And then in September when I was out in San Diego for a gun rights policy conference, Igot an email from them.

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said, hey, you know what?
I don't want to be a jerk.
I just want to check on this because it's been six or seven months and I don't know whatthe time frame is.
if it goes on after a certain point, do I have to reapply?
So they wrote back to me.
They're like, oh, yeah, everything's fine.
Two days later, I got an email that said, yeah, you're all set.
Here's your digital version of your FID card.
Your file was sitting on Martha's desk and she was filing her nails and then you woke herup and she said, I guess I should do work today.

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We all voted and we're gonna do work today, good news.
Right.
So then, um so now that I had this digital copy, it was a file you had to save as a, youknow, a screenshot of your on your phone, which seems ridiculous to me.
But after I did that, um he says, OK, now you're to have to spend spend $200 to get thethe uh PTC, the permit to carry.

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So um in order to do that, you have to go through what they call the C-Care qualification.
And it's not really difficult.
10 different shots at five different distances from your carry gun of choice.
So I used my J-frame and uh got all the shots.
I did a class at the Gun for Higher Range, which is in Northern Jersey.

(53:29):
It cost me $275 for the two-hour class to go in.
And then after I did that, I did that in late November, Joe, like a week beforeThanksgiving.
And then I sat on that for forever.
And then when I went to Shot Show, I got a notification that said my, I used the same tworeferences, I believe.
uh
everything went through.
got my jersey permit and it only took 11 months and I think it cost me about $625.

(53:54):
Wow.
That's crazy that the two hour class was almost 300 bucks because the California goingrate for our eight hour class is like 200 to 50.
So, and that's a full eight hour class.
And the instructors made it clear that like, look, we're not gonna teach you how to doanything.
You need to know how to do all this stuff already.
We're just gonna go through here.

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So you're gonna draw the holster out.
You don't have to do it from the ceiling.
You don't have to do it from the holster.
But here's how you're gonna handle the gun.
Here's how you're gonna do this.
We're gonna fire five shots.
You're gonna drop the mag out, put a new magazine in, put the holster back in, take itback out, fire five more shots.
And they just talk you through everything, which is fine.
I think the distances are like, it's the traditional stuff, like three, five, seven, 10and 15 yards.

(54:39):
and um...
you have to uh...
i know there's a certain story have to get i forgot what i was but i think i only had twoshots that were a little a little questionable uh...
but i was shooting the jay frame everyone else is shooting clock nineteen since it was thesize and and so i was on the on the old school guy out there
was gonna say, I like that you're schlepping around a J-frame.

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He's like, look.
New Jersey, I got shotguns and a J-Frame.
So whatever piece of card that I need to carry around with me so that I can carry thisstuff with me.
And Charlie, I've said it before, I say it again, you are the realest real man I've evermet in my whole life.
I think that's awesome that you're keeping the J-Frame alive there.

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I think that's very, very cool.
But let me back up though.
Okay, so the first thing you had, let me just kinda, know, cards, these certifications youhad to get.
I'm not totally clear on what it was.
Like that first card, the FID, like what exactly, what did that enable you to do?
Like why do people get that in New Jersey?

(55:41):
So you have to, I think in order to possess firearms, you have to have permission from theNew Jersey government.
So in order for me as a non-resident to bring a non-large capacity rifler shotgun with me,I have to have at least an FID card or I drive the speed limit, use my blinkers and don't
flip people off when I'm driving.
That's the other choice.

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legit, after I got the FID card, Petrolino was like, good.
And now you can bring a shotgun to New Jersey.
If you want to bring a handgun, you got to do this other thing and spend, you know, almostanother $500, which I'm like, holy moly.
FID card you're just acknowledging hey I'm a gun owner I have guns I'm probably going totransport them that's all that's really doing is like kind of it sounds like it's a

(56:25):
in-depth sophisticated registration process really is that is that kind of sum it up it
I'll tell you the most ridiculous thing to me.
You sit through this PowerPoint, you acknowledge that you sat through the PowerPoint.
One of the slides that they had for a revolver was a top break revolver.
Yeah, a top break revolver, which is not covered in decoding firearms, by the way.

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So uh yeah, this is what they're having.
have these, you know those old pictures that they're like pieces of art where they havethe numbers on it the design.
Yeah, it's it's that of a top break revolver.
That's what they have.
And it's just the basic easy gun rule stuff.
There's nothing special to it.
There's nothing about self defense.
There's nothing about when you can and can't shoot somebody or protect yourself or defendyourself or when you can use or not use a gun.

(57:17):
It's not where you can carry one where you cannot carry one.
It's pay us $50 to sit through this PowerPoint.
And then we'll let you bring a shotgun or a long gun into the state.
It's just discouragement.
It's, hey, we're going to financially discourage you.
We're going to make it take a lot of time to discourage you.
That's all it really is.
it doesn't really, there's no community safety advancement or anything like that.

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It's just pure government, screw you, gun owner.
That's really what it amounts to.
Yeah, yeah, let's let's separate you from your money and and then maybe we'll let youcarry a gun or have a gun or bring a gun
And then the second one is it sounds like you got a carry permit too.
And so New Jersey allows out of state uh applicants to get a carry permit.

(58:00):
You wanted to be able to carry your J-Frame on you for self-defense.
So you went through the New Jersey's process there.
that the carry permit, right?
Yep, absolutely.
That's what it is.
It's in New Jersey.
They call it the PTC, the permit to carry.
And yeah, so I can now bring my J-frame lawfully as I go through New Jersey.
And this is what really aggravates me.

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I've had this since the beginning of January.
I haven't gone out to visit Petrolino once yet.
So I spent $625 on this.
I haven't used it one time.
hundred bucks just to hang out with Petrolino.
That guy's an expensive date.
I don't know if I'm pay that.
I'm just gonna have to go there unarmed.
Visiting Petrolino unarmed is dangerous in and of itself.

(58:45):
The nice thing about it is Mrs.
Petrolino likes to choose where we go out to eat, so that's always cool.
That's awesome.
right, well guys, it's unbelievable.
mean, it really truly feels like we're at this time in history.
I mean, I gotta tell ya, I'm gonna say pre-Bruin, and that's post-Heller, post-McDonald,but pre-Bruin, it just kinda felt like...

(59:15):
such a slog, know, second amendment activism was such a slog.
And now it really truly feels like things are happening.
And I think that elections and, you know, the Bruin decision from the Supreme Court, boththose things have moved, moved the second amendment movement along at a tremendous pace.

(59:36):
So I think we're, we're, we're sitting right in the middle of like these growing pains.
I know five years from now, 10 years from now.
things are gonna be a whole lot better, but there's still all this kind of this existingharassment, ridiculousness that people are putting up with.
Hopefully all this stuff goes the way of the dodo.
I don't know, what are your thoughts on that,

(59:58):
I think that would be great.
One of the things we often talk about is if they can't, when the anti-gun folks decide orfind out that they can't restrict us from having guns, they want to make it more difficult
or more expensive.
legit, $625 to take this so I can have a permit so I can go to Jersey, it's only good fortwo years.

(01:00:19):
So when I renew this in two years, it's going to cost me another $200.
don't know if I have to do the qualification, but it's going to cost me another $200.
And last, about a year ago, last year Petrolina was telling me that the governor in NewJersey wanted to up it to $400 for two years.
So this makes it so that it's only good for, I'm gonna use air quotes when I say this, forrich people.

(01:00:41):
But it's certainly gonna be hard for somebody who's, know, believe me, people ask me,they're like, dude, you're at this event, you're at this event, you go here, you go here,
you got your show or you travel around the country, how do you afford this?
and i say well come over to look at my fridge i have all the eggs and moldy cheese sothat's kind of how i get it done

(01:01:02):
I sell those eggs for profit, You know, I've to tell you.
So that's, you know, we'll do.
we didn't expire in September, I might be able to do
gonna start, think we're gonna do Dakota, we're gonna start, Gunners Radio's gonna start aGoFundMe just for Charlie's renewal just so he can remain friends with John Petrolino.
I think maybe we could sponsor a very poor person in New Jersey instead.

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Maybe we could get one of those 800,000 residents that live below the poverty line.
Yeah, really.
All right.
Well, I'd love that.
How's the rest of the weekend look for you?
What else are you looking forward to at NRA?
uh To me, this, you know, I'm doing three hours of recording shows here and then I'm doingtwo interviews after I'm done tonight.

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I think I'm doing two interviews tomorrow, maybe one on Sunday morning.
I did find out from the friend that I'm staying with that the original Waffle House is 20minutes away.
yeah, we might have to make a pilgrimage to the original Waffle House.
I think he said it was in Duluth, Georgia, so that could be on the agenda too.

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loaded, you gotta get the loaded TOTS.
I only get the bacon, and cheese bowl.
I play it safe that way.
you go.
All right.
Well, awesome.
And tell people how to, how do they see your, your, what you're recording?
What's the best way to a hold of you, follow you and see your content?

(01:02:32):
All right, thank you.
So the the shows that I'm putting out this weekend are actually going to be audio only I'mcalling them pit stops because they're gonna be 10 to 15 minutes long But if you go to
writing shotgun with Charlie comm you can go to the writing shotgun with Charlie Facebookpage You can go to the writing shotgun with Charlie YouTube channel You can find the
podcast version of the show and all of your favorite podcast outlets Amel land runs theshows as well So they I have to I got the blogger of the year in 2019 and I didn't write

(01:02:59):
anything so
uh I had to start writing when I had Ammeland run the show and they can find, I have acolumn on uh Armed Lifestyle magazine called Writing Shotgun with Charlie.
So I go back and revisit people I've had on the show, do another interview with them.
And I also write for News 2A.
all I'm doing is just trying to keep up with all the cool people.

(01:03:22):
That's awesome, Thanks so much for taking the time.
Thank you for everything you do and have fun in Atlanta and uh look forward to hanging outwith you in September at Gun Rights Policy Conference in Salt Lake City.
That'll be a lot of fun.
So thank you so much, Charlie.
It is going to be a lot of fun.
can't wait.
thank you guys for having me on.
You guys are awesome.
I love you.

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Thanks.
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Sam, how's it going, man?
I'm well, how are you guys?
Good.
Thank you for joining us.
I think we have a, I don't know.
I think you're going to, I don't know if you're going to get this one or not.
Sometimes you surprise me.
I have faith.
I think he's got it.
Yeah, let's find out Go ahead Mike stavone from Rancho penasquitos asks what firearmsmanufacturer has produced the highest number of shotguns

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Mike from what now?
Rancho Penasquitos.
It's a real place.
Real place.
Mike from Rancho Penasquitos.
uh Sorry, the place name shocked me enough that I don't think I got the question.
It was what manufacturer has produced the largest number of shotguns.
Yes.
Look at ball time.
of all time.
Mm-hmm.

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You know, this is potentially a tricky one because there are sort of uh three big names,well, two and a half now.
But I remember running across, I think I remember running across the answer to this whileI was researching for a past blog post a few months ago titled What the Heck Happened to
Big Green?

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Actually, it was two blog posts.
uh So if I recall correctly, it's Remington who's responsible for it.
Bye.
your final answer?
I mean, it's I'm going to say Remington and then you'll tell me it's Winchester.
But yeah, let's go with Remington.
All right, based on available data.
OF Mossberg and Sons, Inc.

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is the firearms manufacturer that has produced the highest number of shotguns in theUnited States.
According to the ATF annual firearms manufacturing and export reports, Mossberg was thetop shotgun producer in 2021, manufacturing 293,000 shotguns, which accounted for 43.4 %
of all U.S.

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made shotguns that year.
Mossberg has held this leading position since at least 2017 with a reported 1.4
3.357 million shotguns produced from 2016 to 2020, representing 45.3 % of the U.S.
domestic shotgun market during that period.
The Mossberg 500 series alone has seen over 12 million units produced since itsintroduction in 1961, with hundreds of variants across different gauges, barrel lengths,

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and configurations, contributing significantly to Mossberg's total output.
Additionally, models like the Maverick 88,
590 and 835 Ultimag further bolster their production numbers.
In 2021, 75.5 % of Mossberg's total firearm production, which was 388,171 units, consistedof shotguns, highlighting their focus on this category.

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Remington Outdoor Company is a close competitor with 1,453,000 shotguns produced from 2016to 2020.
holding a 33.4 % market share.
The Remington 870, introduced in 1950, has surpassed 11 million units with numerousvariants for hunting, sport, and tactical use.

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However, Remington's broader focus on rifles, which is 58.6 % of their production, andtheir financial struggles, including bankruptcies, likely kept it behind Mossberg in
shotgun-specific output.
Other notable manufacturers like Beretta, Browning, and Winchester have significantshotgun production, but their output is still lower than Mossberg's.

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For example, Beretta produced 104,338 shotguns in the US from 2016 to 2020, and while ithas a global presence, its US shotgun production is smaller.
Browning and Winchester lack specific model counts in recent data, but are known fordiverse lines like the Browning

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and Winchester Model 12 respectively, though their production volumes don't matchMossberg's scale.
You know, I'm going to say, Sam, I'm going to say that I'm not convinced that Mike Stabonefrom Rancho Pen, Rancho Penusquitos, I'm not convinced he provided the answer for the
question.
asked.
Yeah, I was just thinking that as I was reading it.

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So here's what I'm going to do.
If you research it and you find out all time that someone has beat Mossberg, then uh we'regoing to put off the W or the L until next week and see uh if he's correct or if there's

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longer history.
Although Mossberg's got a big long history.
They've been around for forever.
They definitely uh produced the most volume.
So if the question was uh who produces the most right now, then uh he got me FarronSquare.
If the question was for who has produced the most of all time, then I'll have to look intothat per your recommendation.

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I could believe it's Mossberg.
Yeah, of all time, you believe that's entirely possible?
Not sure.
oh Again, as you said, I've got a homework assignment now to try and prove one way or theother.
But that was really a good question.
was a good question.
I don't really know like I know a lot of model 12s were produced They used them in WorldWar one.

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They used them in World War two um
and they use them today.
mean, it's been around for forever.
I don't know if though, if that is enough.
You know, that's some depth.
You know, the Model 12 has some depth, but I don't know if that one version gives them thewidth, the breadth, you know, to say, hey, they've really cut into and produced the most

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amount.
But I don't know, I mean, they have other versions of other shotguns, but you know.
But it's definitely not like some of these uh high-end sporting clays or skeet orsomething sporting or hunting.
Some of these niche ones, they're not producing the masses like Remington and Mossbergare.
So that was a good question.

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All right, we're have to wait.
We can't give you credit.
We can't use that against you.
We're gonna give you a week to prove this person right or wrong.
one way or the other.
There you go.
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Okay, our next guest is Matt Hoff with West Coast Kinetic Solutions.
He spent 20 years in the Marine Corps, including special operations.
Now he's teaching civilians what he knows about how to make them better shooters.
So we wanted to have him on the show and welcome him.
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Matt, how you doing, man?
Good, doing great.
Very very good.
Dakota and I are very excited about talking to you.
I've been looking forward to it.
I appreciate you taking the time.
so talk about, let's go over your background.
Talk about, tell people where you came from.

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You spent time in the Marine Corps.
Talk about your, development there.
Yeah, yeah, that's a long or extensive background in the Marine Corps.
I 20 years total time in the Special Operations Community.
My first five years I was in the Marine Corps Infantry where I deployed to Iraq threetimes during the hype of the conflict or war, whatever we're calling it these days.

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And then I transferred over to the SOCOM community, the Special Operations Community,where I did two deployments to Afghanistan.
Um, and then did some instructor time.
did two years and what we call like a training cell where I taught direct action or raids.
So I taught combat marksmanship, breaching, CQB, things like that.

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Um, and then ended up having to transform North Carolina where I'm originally from and,train the same subject at the school house.
So creating, you know, taking guys from, you know, not being inside the community andbringing them into the community as well as in the training cells where I focused
strictly.
on the teams, the guys who are getting ready to deploy and stuff like that.
was gonna say, perfect opportunity.

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I wanna talk about some lingo.
Yes.
Maybe you can help me out.
first off, what is special operations actually mean?
Like what does that mean?
When someone says they're in special operations, what does that signify or indicate?
So that's very diverse, right?
So Special Operations has a lot of rabbit holes, right?
So when you look at the SOCOM community, each branch has its own uh internal portion toit.

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For example, the Navy has NSW, Navy Special Warfare, or your Navy SEALs.
And there's also a bunch of different other categories inside NSW.
For example, the Army, have Army Special Forces, right?
And there's a bunch of different categories inside that.
We've got green berets, army rangers, and so on and so forth.
Whereas in the Marine Corps, we have our special operations command, where we call itMARSOC, Marine Special Operations Command, and we have what we call the Raiders, right?

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And so inside that, we have like our different lanes as well.
But specifically, when we talk about the Marine Raiders, they're the ones that go outdoing all the action to go behind enemy lines, train partner forces, stand up secret
militias and things of that nature.
and then do like kind of the direct action, right?
So when we finalize or fix or find, you know, the head of the snake, the lead bad guy,that point time, we go ahead and prosecute that target.

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And a lot of times special operations is very oriented or surrounded around terroristoperations or counterterrorism operations.
which terrorist, terrorism.
That term has even broadened in the last 25 years, you know, to include a lot of things.
And by the way, so let's go back half a step to special forces.

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I think people use special forces or overuse special forces.
My understanding is the term special forces really is only army.
Like there is no, there is no Marine special forces.
The Marines have special operations.
There's no Navy special forces.
The Navy has special operations.
Is that correct?
Special Forces is just Army, correct?

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Correct.
that's just kind of more or less like a, we call it like maybe a badging or a title to it.
So when we talk about Army Special Forces, there's multiple categories.
You got like Delta Force and they go by other names and stuff like that now.
But when we talk about Army Special Forces specific, Navy SEALs and Marsok Marine Raiders,we all fall in what's called like a uh branch of like White SOF is what we call it.

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And it's kind of like your tier two level of special operations.
We have to have the ability to conduct joint operations and speak the same lingo and dothe same actions together to conduct operations.
And SOCOM, talk about SOCOM.
My understanding of SOCOM, correct me if I'm wrong, is that some of these units like DeltaForce and...

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um
and Dev Group or SEAL Team Six, they report up through a different channel and thatchannel goes up into SOCOM, whereas the rest of the military goes up through the Secretary
of Defense.
And it's a different chain of command and a different source of funding and a verydifferent mission.

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Is everything I said accurate or is there anything you want to correct or add?
You nailed it on the head.
That's very accurate.
So talk about SoCom.
What is SoCom's mission?
So Socom's mission, so we have multiple different lanes, I guess you could say, and Idon't want to divulge too much.
And it kind of gets sensitive and they say, hey, you're out now, so you're not really heldto that same standard and stuff like that.

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That's why he's giving us us the information that you'd find on Wikipedia.
know what I mean?
We don't need I don't want to get investigated just you know, like whatever the public,know kind of elevator speech on so calm What what what what does civilians know that so
calm does as far as their mission?
I think the biggest thing that they need focus on in regards to their like, hey, what isSOCOM's mission?

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Is anything that's not in your conventional understanding, like, hey, we're just gonna goto war, right?
Your conventional side is just gonna go to war is where special operations community ismore focused on any special mission that's not your standard operation.
And that can be counter-terrorism operation, uh counter-insurgency operations,unconventional warfare, direct action, like.

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Conventional forces do not have the authorities to conduct direct action, i.e.
range on high-value targets in sensitive areas and stuff like that.
But we mainly focus on counterterrorism operations.
So, okay, so going back to you and your journey, did you enlisted in the Marine Corps outof high school or what was your, talk specifically about what you did for the Marine

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Corps.
Yeah, so right out of the Marine Corps, excuse me, right out of high school, I was thetype of guy that signed up immediately.
I always knew I was the type of guy that was going join the military.
I grew up wanting to be John Rambo, the whole gambit, right?
I wanted to jump out of airplanes and go chase after bad guys.
I've always wanted to do that.
And when I was in high school, 9-11 happened, it made me become even more patriotic,right?

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I became huge on wanting to serve my nation, right?
That was like one of my biggest goals.
was like, hey, I want to be one of those guys that
People look up to knowing that like, hey, he's going to go protect us.
Right.
And as I went through my military career and growing up, I realized there's only certainamount of people that have the ability to do that.
Right.
I felt like I was one of those people.

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I have the ability to do that.
Right.
And so I wanted to ensure that like, if I had that ability, I want to take on thatresponsibility.
I wanted to make sure I was able to do so.
So I joined the military in my military career, constantly did what I could to progress.
in my military career to kind of like ensure that I was providing that security blanket,which I thought was my place in society.

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So going through high school, what told you that, you know, what was that internal voice?
Why did you have that internal voice that said, hey, this is me, I can do that?
Like, what was that?
So I think there's a lot of things that go with that.
I think it's like a mental portion to it, right?
I kind of felt that I had like a warrior inside, you know, there's that warrior spiritthat you look for, you find.

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And I knew I was an athlete, I could compete, right?
I found myself very competitive, I was athletic.
And it's not that I thought I was better than anybody, but I could most definitely seemoments where I could do something and somebody couldn't, right?
And I found that like, hey, I might not be a professional athlete.
You know, my goals aren't to become, you know, a rock star baseball player or something ofthat nature, but I was still competitive.

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I wanted to play.
I wanted to play with the top boys.
And it kind of led down this path of like, Hey, there's people who play sports who areenjoying life.
And then there was people who couldn't participate in extreme sports or being athletic andstuff like that.
So it attracted me.
Right.
And I kind of found this balance, right.
At the same time, you know, as a wrestler, I was aggressive.

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You know, I did these types of sports and it kind of
built me up and built that mentality as a teammate and the warrior spirit moving forwardof like, hey, I had a position inside society and I wanted to give back.
And that was the mentality, I wanted to give back.
I just couldn't help it.
It was part of me.
What was the toughest thing, you were in the Marine Corps for 20 years?

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What was the toughest thing in those 20 years?
What was your toughest hour or your toughest 15 minutes or you know what I mean?
Like what happened to you during that 20 years where you thought, this is the absolutetoughest, worst thing I have gone through and I can't believe I made it through.

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Man, that's a tough question because it had a lot of those breaking points and that waslike part of the growth in my military career that I was talking about that it constantly
kept striving uh because I always hit that ceiling.
There was always a new place that hit.
When I first joined the Marine Corps, my first five years, I looked at boot camp.
Our basic training was kind of like one of the most challenging things I'd everexperienced because I had gone from being high school kid to now working with full on

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adult grown men.
who also were my instructors who had experienced combat and now were overseeing me andchallenging me and constantly pushing me.
And then I went into the infantry and I saw combat and that was like a new ceiling that Ihad hit, right?
And then I decided to go to the assessment selection.
And I would say assessment selection is, you know, probably one of the top things that Ihad to do that really pushed me to my limit psychologically, know, mentally.

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and you physically so that combination was you know maxed out if you would.
But then what was interesting is that it had pushed me to a new limit and I had foundmyself what we call an ITC or individual training course.
Whereas that's where you get the training and education become this you know elite youknow Marsok Marine Raider and again it was another ceiling that it took me to.

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All right and selection is what got me
Right.
I had to work myself up the selection and the selection got me there as well.
And then the combat portion of it, you know, as I grew into these leader positions, theseleadership roles were all new challenges the entire way throughout my military career.
Because I experienced combat in Iraq as an individual was challenging because a young manwas challenging.

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And then I did these things as a leader in Afghanistan.
where I took Afghan troops and Marines and soldiers and I was overseeing these people andI was leading them through these combat operations and the mental aspect and the physical
aspect that had to take on to kind of prove myself and ensure that they were success andmaking some extreme sacrifices and putting myself out there were different, they're all

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different challenges and I don't know if I can ever fix.
point, pinpoint one that was harder than the other.
But I would have to say to have their own lanes, would say combat in Afghanistan as aleadership was more challenging than any combat I had experienced.
And then in the training world, I would have to say assessment selection or ITC wasprobably the most physically and mentally challenging thing, more physically than mentally

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than anything else.
So kind of putting those in two different subjects, if you would.
But both were extreme, right?
I would say that, you know, the training helped me get to the portion where it prepared meas a person for that.
But, you know, at the same time, giving me that leadership and understanding, but it's notas realistic as it can be in training and then experiencing it in the real world.

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And some things that you can't train for, know, especially in combat, you can't train foreverything, right?
You do your best.
And then when you're put in charge of these people ah that can't speak the same languageas you, you know,
and you're trying to convince them to basically go hunt down bad people and train them andgive you every tool you have to prepare them for combat.

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And then when they get into it and that friction sets in, the reality sets in, you'rebeing there to be able to set the example and push beyond that so they have something to
look at and emulate.
And to thrive through that is a different challenge than being a student and be exposed tothe most simulated

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and combat training the world has to offer was another challenge on its own.
So I was constantly running into barriers, I would say, throughout my military.
It's so interesting to me.
uh I ask special operations, through the show and other uh avenues I've interviewed.

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at least a couple dozen special operations guys, at least, probably more than that.
know, guys that were SEALs, guys that were Green Berets, guys that were MARSOC, know, allkinds of, know, Rangers, all kinds of different special operations.
And I think, I never served in the military.
uh And I think that civilians who've never served in the military, when we asked thatquestion, like what was hardest or what was scariest or what was your most challenging,

(01:25:50):
whatever version of that question, I think we all expect to hear, you know, some kind of,you know,
version of well getting shot at was probably the worst thing and I've never heard thatanswer all special operations guys talk about how Challenging how physically and mentally
challenging the training was and they talk about you know leadership challenges like youdid when you were when you're describing, you know leading the locals in Afghanistan that

(01:26:17):
kind of thing and I think that that is a testament to just how good
and challenging military training is, particularly for special operations guys.
I really, truly, I don't think I've ever heard a real, combat story.

(01:26:38):
Like, well, I was most afraid during this point in combat.
It seems like by the time, it's always like a training thing, or training exercise ormission, whatever.
By the time you guys get into combat,
You guys, it sounds like you're so well trained, you're so well prepared, you'resurrounded by people that are the absolute best in the world, that it's just, you guys

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perform so well under.
that immense pressure because of the hard training you've had.
And it's interesting to me how often that comes up when I talk to special operations guys.
think that's a, again, a testament to the people, to yourself and the people that camebefore you and all the training that's been put there by the military.
You know, we see it movies, but ah you know, I don't think people fully understand justhow important that training is.

(01:27:30):
Yeah, absolutely.
we, think, you know, our U.S.
military, you know, and I like the beat on my chest, the Marine specifically.
ah But like, I think we do bring the most realistic training that can be provided oh toour troops.
I think we do a pretty freaking good job because, know, I've been behind the curtain tokind of stage those things.

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And, you know, I try to bring as much realism to it as possible.
But I always tell the guys, you know,
We can't train for everything.
We just have to be prepared to rise to those occasions and just be as prepared aspossible.
And that's what we do our best.
I'm sorry, I was gonna say, now you train civilians.
You're a firearms instructor here in San Diego.
ah Talk about how your background helps you teach and deliver curriculum through WestCoast Kinetic Solutions.

(01:28:23):
Right, so yeah, so going kind of back to my career, right, through that, military and howI got to this point.
So when I was transitioning out or I saw the end of the tunnel basically coming up, I hadto prepare for like what I was gonna do.
And I always had the mindset that I was going into law enforcement and or, you know,Homeland Security, something of that nature, still like serving the country.

(01:28:47):
And because that was my goal, wanna still be giving back to, you know, whatever communityI felt like I belonged to.
time it was broad, was like, don't know where I'm going to end up crossing the UnitedStates, but I'm going to still be serving wherever I end up, my nation, locals, whatever
it may be.
But unfortunately, as I noticed it coming to the tail end of my military career, Irealized that I was running out of time of being operational or being able to wear some

(01:29:11):
type of uniform or actually be in those types of positions, I guess you say operationalpositions.
And so I ended up taking on a contract position like a
called SkillsBridge or a fellowship or internship in my last six months of my militarycareer, because I knew that couldn't do those law enforcement or those law enforcement

(01:29:34):
positions in your even Homeland Security and stuff like that.
So I took on this contract position where I was training Marines on Camp Pendleton.
And was in hopes that I would get job with this company because they said they wereexpanding and it ended up falling out.
But what I realized when it came back to me is like how much I love
teaching people, right?
Training people.

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was like, my God, I still love this, do this, right?
And so I realized that I can't be law enforcement or I can't be on the border where Ireally wanna be conducting operations.
But what's the last stance?
Where's the last line of self-defense or whatever it may be?
And I look at the civilian populace.

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And I think I can relate a lot because, know,
Amongst the SOCOM community, it's our job to have the ability to not only train, but alsoeducate other partner forces and even our own military.
So with my instructor experience and my experience training locals and other nations,can't even speak my language or I can't even speak their language, their language barrier

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being there, I feel like I have a good handle on how to create programs and how tostructure training.
and connect with people and build them and reach the goals that they desire and need,especially when we start talking about 2A.
When we think about that aspect of things, one of the reasons I put solutions in mycompany title or name is because I realized in Southern California, there's many, many

(01:31:09):
struggles for people to have their rights and find the training and find locations andfinding instructors.
and funding, right?
Financially, how do they pay for these things, right?
That's a part of why I put that in my company name, is I want to focus on ensuring that Ifind a way to kind of bridge the gap for everyone to get the training that they need and

(01:31:36):
desire, right?
If you're finding a training site, you know, because I know California, the EPA is doingeverything they can to prevent, you know, gun ranges for even existing.
you know, creating extra laws and extra steps and, know, for someone just to have theright to carry a firearm, right?
I want to help, you know, solve that problem as well, those challenges and combat that.

(01:31:59):
And at the same time, you know, give them the training they deserve, right?
And at a decent cost, because it kind of upsets me on how much things cost so muchnowadays.
And I feel like that's another struggle.
And it upsets me, like, if somebody doesn't
They feel like they can't find a path or a way to defend themselves because of a financialreason.

(01:32:21):
Right.
And that kind of segues into my selling point in regards to the membership that created isto create that sustainability and the ability to financially fund themselves to pay for
things.
Because you look at like CCW and cost of training nowadays, it's

(01:32:41):
unreal here in San Diego.
It's unreal.
And I think that's not appropriate for the average person living their normal liveslooking for courses in training and education.
And so that's like a big part of that solution is that we're talking about like how mymilitary career has gone from where it was in the very dynamic world to training and

(01:33:04):
understanding the average Joe that's on the street that get the minimum training theyneed.
Awesome.
That is very cool.
I agree with everything.
is kind of crazy how growing up you always heard the old guys who are probably youngerthan I am now, but back then they were, the old guys say, gee, back in my day, a cup of
coffee was whatever.

(01:33:25):
And they were talking about 20, 25 years prior.
Now, back in my day when things were cheaper was like four years ago.
Things have gotten so expensive.
And I agree with you.
Your ability to defend yourself
whether it's buying the tool, the self-defense tool that you need, whether it's getting acarry permit or it's getting the training you need, it's gotten so expensive.

(01:33:49):
And I appreciate how conscious you are of that.
I think that that's very, very cool.
Okay, so if somebody wants to train with you, if somebody wants to get ahold of you andlearn from you, where do they go?
I think one of the best places to reach out to us is uh on social media, right?
That kind of seems to be the way ahead for our current society's culture and movingforward.

(01:34:14):
uh Instagram, our handles West Coast Kinetic Solutions, West Coast being one word andunderscore kinetics and then underscore solutions.
ah And then same thing for Facebook, right?
So we go by West Coast Kinetic Solutions on Facebook.
Those are probably the two most, you know, spots to find us because I think everybody usessocial media platforms at this point in time.

(01:34:37):
And then you can just Google us as well.
Google is like a good tool.
uses that tool every day, I think on a daily basis on how to search or answer questions.
So if you're looking for me, I try to make it as easy as possible.
You know, I even put my cell phone on all those locations so you can contact me directlybecause I love hearing the stories.
I love hearing the struggles.

(01:34:57):
And I tell people when I'm on the phone with them, like,
What is your struggle?
What is your challenge?
Why can't you get to the goal that you want?
And I'm going to find it for you.
It'd be a training spot.
It being consistent.
It being firearm.
You need answers on what's the best to carry.
ah My background on conducting low-vis operations overseas, I have multiple differentexperiences in that.

(01:35:20):
can kind of advise those type of things.
I give that solution there.
I do that for law enforcement and civilians.
So when it comes to these challenges, I offer that to everybody.
A lot of people ask me, well, I can't afford, you you know, don't want to put companynames that are out there, but like, you know, some of them are 650 bucks for a CCW
training course.
And I'm like, that's outrageous.

(01:35:40):
That's more than the gun that they purchased.
I was like, no, you have the right.
We're going to find a way.
One of my offers, the membership, like give me 50 bucks and we'll find a place and we'rein good train.
And that's kind of my mentality.
And that's how I remember.
Sounds like beginner.
Intermediate or advanced it sounds like pistol rifle shotgun you offer it all you offer itat an affordable rate And you're looking forward to working with folks in the Southern,

(01:36:04):
California or anywhere, but you're you're here in the Southern, California area so lookyou up on social media reach out to you directly and again that is Matt Hoff with West
Coast Kinetic Solutions Matt.
Thank you so much for all that you do.
Thank you for your commitment to the Second Amendment and Thanks for your time today.
That was super
thing.

(01:36:25):
This was great, Mike.
I really appreciate you.
for having me on.
I think everything you guys are doing, you guys are doing the bigger footstep herefighting all lanes of conflicts that we have with the two-way right.
So can't thank you guys enough.
Well, thanks for the kind words, man.
uh Excellent.
Thank you so much.
Talk to you soon, Matt.

(01:36:49):
So no bull, just straight shooting on today's hottest gun in political topics.
It's time for our straight shooter segment.
Okay, the first thing I wanted to talk about is, you know, about a, I don't know, a couplemonths ago now, a few months ago, the beginning of the year, you remember we talked about
David Hogg, anti-gun.

(01:37:10):
Guy, David Hogg, and how he was voted onto the Democratic National Committee, whichbasically means that he is a part of the leadership of the Democratic Party.
And I remember at the time thinking to myself, I don't know if I even want to talk aboutthis.
How much does this really, really matter?
But I want it, yeah, he's absolutely an extremist when it comes to guns.

(01:37:32):
He's an extremist on a lot of political things, but we mostly know him from his extremistviews on guns.
um But at the time I wanted to make the point that hey, I don't think we should be afraidof this.
This guy's so incompetent and so extreme, he is not going to make the DNC better.
I think he's gonna make it worse.

(01:37:53):
And we talked a lot about that.
I think in just a few couple months here, my opinion has been proven true.
He came out a week ago and said hey,
My group has organized and we've raised $20 million not to fight Republicans, ah you know,but to try to go after Democrats.

(01:38:19):
So he's got this position on the Democratic National Committee where his whole job is tofigure out how Democrats can get elected and be more successful.
That's the scope and purpose and that's what he is supposed to be doing.
Instead, he's using his own organization.
to go after Democrats that the DNC has already elected.

(01:38:40):
And the idea is he wants to go to safe Democrat districts.
So Democrats, or districts where Democrats already have a seat and you know, there's 60,70 % of the voters are Democrat.
In other words, they're safe.
They're probably gonna get re-elected.
But he doesn't like them because they're not extreme enough.
So he's gonna find a candidate to run who's also a Democrat, who's even more extreme,who's even more anti-gun.

(01:39:05):
And he's going to run them against this person, you know, in this safe Democrat district.
So the DNC spent all his time, effort and money getting someone elected, getting them intoa safe seat.
I can even argue that they they've helped make that area a safe seat.
They've helped, you know, make that area more pro Democrat and he's going to spend histime, effort and money undoing what they've already done.

(01:39:32):
I kind of love it.
Let's let the infighting happen.
What do they say uh when uh in a circular firing squad, just let him go.
Don't get in the middle of it.
um And that's exactly what's happening.
Everybody that's supported him, everybody that's put him in a position of power, uh great,go for it, do it.

(01:39:55):
The DNC is having rough times as it is, you know?
you know, let them do what they want to do.
They're doing a good job running themselves into the ground.
and the other point I really wanted to make here, it's a point I've made, but this helpsillustrate it.
The parties, really any political party, is not there to stand up for your principles.

(01:40:19):
That is not their function.
They lure you in by alluding to that, and maybe you could make the case that in broadstrokes, they generally stand up for certain subjects.
Um, and maybe some parties do a little bit better job of it, but the reality here is theydo not stand up for your principles.

(01:40:42):
You, if you, if you think to yourself, Hey, these are the five things that are importantto me.
So I'm going to get involved in a party to help support those five things.
You know, the second amendment is important to me.
So I'm going to get involved in a party to help advance the second amendment.
Wrong move.
They do not support.
your individual ideas, principles.

(01:41:05):
And that's not necessarily a criticism.
That's just the harsh reality.
Because here's David Hogg who said, hey, I have these extreme principles and thoughts andopinions.
I'm going to get it.
He's as involved in a party as you can get.
I mean, he's at the national leadership level.
And he's saying, OK, great.
Now I'm going to use this position.

(01:41:25):
Now I'm going to stand up for principles and things that I believe in.
And the DNC and everybody that supports the DNC is wetting their pants over it saying,Hey, wait a minute, you're going to spend money trying to get your principles into our
party.
How dare you?
There's not a party out there that would react any differently.
Republican party, the libertarian party, the green party, all these parties, that is nottheir job.

(01:41:50):
I used to describe it.
I'd say, you know, Hey, if you go to, for example, if you go to
You know, if you go to a party and say, Hey, I want you to be a second amendmentorganization.
And then you're frustrated.
You know, it's like going to Burger King drive through and ordering lasagna.
Well, they don't make lasagna.
That's not their job.
It's not what they do, but they're a food place.

(01:42:12):
Yeah, but not that food.
That's not what they do.
That's not what their purpose is.
So I wanted to make those two points.
don't, I hope they keep them.
I hope he stays right where he's at.
And I hope he collects every dollar of that 20 million and I hope that he targets uh allthese.
I hope that he absolutely ruins everybody's day on the anti-gun side and does exactly whathe says he's going to do.

(01:42:39):
I think it's absolutely hilarious.
Yeah, it's pretty funny.
I think one side of this that is interesting is that a lot of, you know, and I'm not uhreally affiliated with a party.
I think that something that is hilarious to me is that so many people that I know who havebeen Democrats their whole life and who believe in a lot of the same things as the

(01:43:02):
Democratic Party says they believe in, feels like the Democratic Party has left them.
They haven't left the party.
they feel abandoned by their own party because their party has gone further and furtherleft and people like David pushing it even further left is not going to do anything but
get more folks to decide that this isn't the party that they can align with anymore.

(01:43:26):
Every reason that they just lost in November, he's gonna double down on.
Actually, I have a video of some of his comments.
Let's play that video real quick.
He's being paid to run against other Democrats.
I think it's an outrage.
I don't know if I have standing, but I might give the DMC $10 and sue him.
He's a contemptible little twerk.

(01:43:47):
Yeah
The well known democratic strategist James Carville said in response to this announcementof this plan that you have to primary Democrats, he said that the DNC should sue you and
called you quote a contemptible little twerp.
What is your reaction to that?
That is my reaction.
I would also say James Carville has not won an election since before I was born.

(01:44:10):
I think it's time to have new leaders in our party that are ready to meet this momentbecause a lot of the people that are most critical of this plan are the same ones that had
$2 billion to win an election and still lost.
So I think the experts can save it because it's time for some new ideas.
Now, I gotta tell ya, very rarely do I agree with James Carville.

(01:44:31):
But he's absolutely spot on here.
He is a contemptible little twerp.
I 100 % agree with that.
think that's one of the best political analysis I've ever, analysis, analysis, analysisI've ever seen.
So thank you, James Carville, for that.
Also want to point out something really interesting.
If you go on Carville's Wikipedia page, he actually has a long history of doing exactlywhat David Hogg is doing.

(01:44:58):
I thought that was hilarious.
And I want to read one thing here.
This is 2022.
It's not ancient history.
This is 2022.
It's two years ago, whatever, three years ago.
In 2022, Carvel led the Penn Progress Super PAC, which spent the entirety of its funds insupport of Connor Lamb's bid for the U.S.
Senate seat vacated by retiring Senator Pat Toomey.

(01:45:21):
Lamb worked closely with Carvel Super PAC and participated in donor calls Carvel arranged.
uh Now, why is that significant?
Well,
John Fetterman, who is the Senate, I mean first off, uh Carvel completely lost that.
But John Fetterman actually won, uh he is a self-described democratic socialist, but uh Ithought it was interesting that...

(01:45:44):
uh
that he basically is a little different and that he didn't hold the seat, you know, butbasically, you know, the same thing.
He's got a long history of doing that.
even Carvel himself retweeted news on coverage on Fetterman and labeled him a quote,silver spoon socialist, which I thought was interesting.

(01:46:06):
So I don't know.
It feels like Carvel was projecting there a little bit, you know, basically saying, Hey,the thing that I do, that's the thing that I do, not the thing that you're supposed to be
So anyway, any thoughts on that Sam?
I don't know what the heck the DNC was expecting uh putting David Hogg in a position ofpower.

(01:46:26):
It's like they're going, oh no, we put a single issue activist in an important uhmanagerial position and he's still focused on that issue.
How could this be happening to us?
How could we have allowed this to happen?
I don't get it.
I think I know what they were hoping would happen, but I don't know.

(01:46:49):
how they failed to anticipate this.
a little short-sighted.
think it's interesting.
One of the things I try to do in the political world is figure out is this person, is thismalfeasance or incompetence?
And I think it's an important distinction.
You know, if somebody's doing something to you or to someone else or they're doing in thepolitical world, are they incompetent or is it malfeasance?

(01:47:15):
And I think that David Hogg has
Both.
think he's 50-50.
I think it's malfeasance and incompetence.
And it's pretty funny.
Everything that guy touches turns to absolute garbage.
And I wish him the best of luck, man.
Go for it.
Destroy the anti-gunners.

(01:47:35):
Destroy the kind of anti-gunners and support the really, really anti-gunners.
Because all that's going to end up happening, he might pull off a victory here and there,but all he's going to do is just, he's just going to...
drain them and, you know, bloody and black in an eye and it's, it's, it's going to beawesome.

(01:47:56):
So, okay.
Next thing I wanted to talk about.
So Trump.
The Trump administration, last week we talked about how FPC said, Hey, we have a couple ofthings.
We have a couple of ideas that we need you to follow up on as an administration.
There is a lot of second amendment pro second amendment noise coming from theadministration and they've done a couple of good things.

(01:48:21):
There doesn't seem to be a lot of leadership or direction and FPC wanted to help providethat and basically suggested that they install that.
And this week I wanted to talk about how they're putting
together, the Trump administration is putting together a second amendment task force.
Attorney General Pam Bondi, ah she had a statement regarding the creation of secondamendment task force.

(01:48:44):
It's very very short, I just want to read it to you real quick.
Um, let's see, quote, the prior administration placed an undue burden on gun owners andvendors by targeting, targeting law abiding citizens exercising their second amendment
rights.
The department of justice's new second amendment task force will combine department widepolicy and litigation resources to advance.

(01:49:07):
President Trump's pro gun agenda and protect gun owners from overreach.
I think that that is.
an important thing.
uh I think that it's uh encouraging.
I think that they've maybe received uh FPC's message.

(01:49:30):
oh
And uh you know, they're, I'm going to say they're constructive criticism and basicallysaid, Hey, you guys need some kind of vision.
You know, you need some kind of direction.
It's good that you want to do these things.
And there are some things that have been bubbling up, but we need some kind of, uh youknow, leadership.
So you guys all need to be on the same page.

(01:49:51):
And it looks like this is an attempt to do that very thing.
Um, which I'm encouraged by.
mean,
You know, Trump was, was, I think, I still think that Trump can be described as the mostpro-Second Amendment president we've maybe ever had, or at least in modern times.
Now that's a statement on Trump, but it's also a statement on all the other presidentswe've had.

(01:50:17):
You know, there wasn't a real high bar to achieve, but now that he's in, let's do thisthing,
You know, we got a lot of people saying the right things.
There, there've been a couple of actions that have been taken.
Let's bring her on home.
We got about three and a half more years.
Uh, there's a lot that can be done in three and a half years.

(01:50:37):
I'm glad to see Pam Bondi who I'm still on the fence about.
Um, and I'm not totally frustrated with her, but I'm not totally sold on the, on her asattorney general, but she seems to be there to stay unless something big happens, you
know, uh, the political world who knows.
But I it's good.
It's about time.
Let's get this done.

(01:50:57):
Let's wipe out every single thing that Biden did that was anti-second amendment.
Everything.
I don't want one thing left over from his legacy.
ah Let's look back even into Obama's administration.
Let's reevaluate the entire federal government and let's make sure that the things thatcan be done from the executive branch get done.

(01:51:20):
And then let's have the executive branch provide the leadership in Congress to
do the things that require a law and let's get some really true reform, some trueprotections for gun owners and let's set the ship right, I think is ah encouraging.
So what are your thoughts, Dakota?
Yeah, I mean, I'm interested to see who ends up on the task force.

(01:51:42):
I know she mentioned in the statement that she's going to be the chair of it and theassociate attorney general will be, I think, the vice chair.
And then it's going to have people from the ATF, from the FBI, from the attorney general'soffice, a bunch of different people.
So I'm interested to see who ends up on the task force and whether or not they're willingto put aside their personal beliefs and do the task.

(01:52:07):
of the task force, is, I guess, enforcing the Constitution, right?
Enforcing the task.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Or come to the task force with the right personal beliefs.
Right, exactly, yeah.
Maybe we should demote some people who don't have those beliefs, but yeah, I'll beinterested to see who ends up on it and then I'll kind of have more of an opinion.

(01:52:29):
It's fair.
Sam, what do think, bud?
uh I remain skeptical, but I will refrain from making a strong statement one way or theother until ah we have some time to see results.
I think we've already seen some discouraging things coming from the current administrationwhen it comes to two-way protections that may suggest, again, I'm not saying firmly one

(01:52:56):
way or the other, but some things
Well, we I agree skepticism is important.
I obviously you guys are making me Yep, yeah, I agree.
I would like to see what actually happens, you know Words are fine, know press releasesare great You guys are making me feel all Pollyanna and pie in the sky Golly, I can't wait

(01:53:26):
but you know, I yeah like
Crete a Damiac and then we'll talk.
Right.
Yeah, really.
Right.
Well, I think that there's, I think you can look at this as glasses half full and I thinkyou can look at this as glasses half empty.
I, like I said, every politician, you know, every bureaucrat, the best thing to do is totreat them like an underperforming employee.

(01:53:49):
If you treat them worse, if you treat them better, you're making a mistake.
But if you kind of go, that's good, but let's see how it goes, you know, um, that'sprobably the best thing to do, but it's encouraging and I appreciate FPC.
I appreciate everything that everybody's doing.
A of people ask me, um you know, who are the good organizations?
There's not a bad organization out there.

(01:54:10):
FPC's wonderful.
NRA, they're 2.0, know, everything that's coming up, wonderful.
ah Gun owners of America, gun owners of California, wonderful.
CRPA, wonderful.
San Diego County gun owners, wonderful.
Everybody that's working towards your Second Amendment, ah know, support them, supportthem.

(01:54:31):
We're not, you know, this isn't high school, don't pick a clique, you know, and be themean girl and gossip about the other organization.
Everybody's playing a part, everybody's doing
and their thing.
ah know, there's a Jews for the preservation of the Second Amendment.
Wonderful.
You know, all these organizations.
Second Amendment Foundation.
Wonderful.

(01:54:52):
Support all these guys.
Nobody's going into this with anything but a passion for your, but for your SecondAmendment rights to support them all.
So thank you all, everybody, for your leadership.
Thank you for, you know, volunteers.
And uh speaking of which, we have an announcement.
Thank you, Sam.
Appreciate your time, man.
Talk to you next week and uh look forward to hearing what the answer to your homework is.

(01:55:16):
So big announcement.
You bet bud.
uh We are starting Gun Owners Radio is starting the Pew Pew Crew.
The Pew Pew Crew.
I love it.
It's Gun Owners Radio's membership program.
Welcome and thank you to founding members Mike White, uh Thor, gosh I hope I get his nameright.

(01:55:38):
I just know him as Thor.
Thor Waldahl.
and John Little.
You guys are the founding Pew Pew crew uh members and we appreciate it very much.
So what you get?
get behind the scenes content, you get members only content, and you get exclusive perks.
So we do a lot of content here.
We put out shows every week, we put out clips every week or every day, know, shorts thatare all completely free.

(01:56:04):
None of that's going away.
But what we're doing is we're adding uh this membership program
where you'll get everything that you get for free and then you'll get additional contentand additional perks.
So what does your membership do?
Well, it helps us grow the show.
We just hit 10,000 members, which is wonderful.
I gotta tell you, I'm so happy, I'm so elated by that.

(01:56:27):
It is such a big milestone, but we're nowhere near ready to stop.
10,000 is just a nice big milestone.
I can't wait till we get to 10 million.
So we're going to, it's going to help us grow the show.
It's going to help grow the second amendment movement, you know, and get us moresupporters so that we can do everything that we need to do at Gun Owners Radio to fight

(01:56:50):
and restore and defend your self-defense rights.
When it comes to the second amendment, we're going to be able to get the word out.
We're going to be able to organize the community.
We're going to be able to play our part effectively and help get some, some, some greatthings done.
So that's what.
It does and that's why it's important.
So check it out to join you go to gun owners radio.com and look at the look for thegraphic that says pew pew crew and then click on that and you can join right rich that I

(01:57:21):
explained that correctly Or just go to our YouTube channel go to youtube.com Slash gunowners radio if you're watching this your property already on the YouTube channel And then
you can just click join right there.
So there you go pew pew crew looking for
forward to growing it.
Fantastic.
Well, that's our show.

(01:57:41):
Appreciate everybody.
Thank you guys so much for watching.
Awesome job, Dakota.
Thank you so much, Sam.
Alicia will be back next week.
She is off doing big, important things.
Rich on the board.
Thank you so much, producer Rich.
Awesome job.
Thank you all for listening.
See you next week.
Hope this was helpful.

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