Why Are Republicans Blocking Pro-Gun Bills?

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Good.
I was sitting in a blank room wondering what was going on.
We just want you to sit there and
Well, that's usually where I am, so that's okay.
And Dakota.

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Hi, Greg.
And we- Hi everybody!
Hi.
Now Greg, give us last name for us so we don't get it wrong.
Abdoche.
Abdoche.
Okay.
Yes.
Are you guys all in a studio?
feel so out of place right now.
I need a blue and black checkerboard in my room.
Ahahaha!
that would be fun to give people a zoom background that looks like our background.

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be fun.
gonna jump right in I'm gonna do a quick introduction
I think Rich wanted to.
Just real quick, what are you, number one, you just center yourself in the camera?
Are you talking to me?
Oh.
way.
A little more.

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like three or four more inches.
there we go.
That's looking pretty centered.
Also, I'm just curious what tech setup are you using because your camera is unusuallyclear.
I'm on an iPad.
ah What kind of network are you on?

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I have a very...
I pay a lot of money from my internet.
Yeah, that's really good.
It does, yeah.
Say your last name one more time.
Abdoche.
Abdoche, okay.
So just out of curiosity, how come there's a delay?
Or is that just normal?

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that me or you guys or what?
Yeah, it's normal.
a little bit.
You're correct.
Don't pay attention to the guy behind the Abdo, right?
Abdo Abdo.
Like if you just write AB and then deal UGH and then SH it's AB DOS.

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Abdoche, Abdoche.
oh Sorry, just, I'm particularly.
You're good, dude.
I'm glad you're trying to do it.
Is the sound good too?
Yeah.
Okay, cool.
Okay, he's gonna give me a count.
going to do an intro and then we're going to start.

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This is going out on Sunday, uh
Perfect, was right on cue, that was perfect, but yes, we will do it.
live on Sunday, ah or not live, we'll premiere it on Sunday from five to seven and thenyour own, uh your own, what am I trying to say?
We'll edit out this segment and it'll go out next week.

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Okay, one more countdown.
Okay, our guest is Greg Abdoche.
He lives the American dream.
Every Californian deserves the same opportunity as a lifelike.
resident of the Inland Empire.
Greg is in California's challenges for.

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from rising crime and unaffordable living to a failing education system.
uh
and safety back to Greg for the Assembly in District 45, how are you?
I'm great.
How are you, Michael?
Good, I like that.

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You know, I picked up that.
that little intro, usually I pretend that I make up the intros, but I was really impressedwith that one.
thought it was well-
stated and I got it off your website.
So let's talk a little bit about what you want to bring accountability, affordability andsafety back to communities.
Talk a little bit about what would bringing accountability back look like?

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Well, so I'm I've been involved in this this political game now for about four years,pretty extensively.
I've been going back and forth to Sacramento.
One of the biggest things that I've noticed that is extremely disheartening is we havepoliticians and legislators sitting up there in Sacramento that come down, talk to us, say

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what they're going to do and then go up there and act in ways that have nothing to do withus or our interests or
anything we've asked them to do.
For example, I was standing up in Sacramento.
We had over 4,000 people there going against a bill that would AB 2223 that would allowbasically murder of a child in the first gestation period all the way up until 28 days

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after birth.
I watched person after person after person go against this bill.
And then I watched the legislators voted down.
We're now seeing, we saw the population say that we want uh Prop 36 in place.
We voted for it.
We put it on the ballot.
Yet our legislators

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Prop 36s.
to remind people what Prop 36 is.
Prop 36 is the bill that we just had on the last election, last ballot, that brings backuh safety and accountability and availability to our law enforcement to prosecute, smash
and grab crimes.
When you go into the grocery store, the last thing you want is you and your family towatch some guy or God forbid, get ran over by a shopping cart because he's trying to get

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out the door with what he doesn't want to pay for.
And law enforcement can't do anything at this point.
because they really said,
If it's under, what was it, like a thousand dollars, it's under a thousand dollars then...
basically you get away with it for free.
Swap on the hand.
Yeah, was nothing.
So this 30-setter, steal, worth of think we're still going to arrest and prosecute him.

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It was that nitpicking.
enforcement bill.
right which makes a lot of sense in forty nine other states but for some reason theythought well gee why would we do that
And we wonder why our prices are going up, why it's so difficult to manage and keep abusiness.
I what business can account for just allowing people to take their stuff?

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That makes no sense.
So that's accountability, affordability.
Talk about safety, That the big reason they're so pro is because we're pro safety.
Effective tool ever invented, ever created.

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That's why we are so.
Adam in about the second minute.
oh
love this little hobby that we do, it's because it is our safety.
So talk a little bit about how can we bring
back to our communities.
So I'll talk on a personal level for this and then I'll kind of expand if that's okay, butI Remember when I first got married 26 27 years ago to my first wife She wasn't a big gun

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person we didn't have guns in the house my dad wasn't a big gun person so I mean I likedthem I shot before but I really didn't have any guns and 2 o'clock in the morning.
There's a pounding on my door and I'm woken up
I go downstairs, there's a guy on my front door asking for uh my wife by name, but itended up not being my wife.

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It was some other girl named that had the same name.
And I've standing there with a stick in my hand, getting ready to defend my wife, myhouse, my home.
And I'm like, this is insane.
And that started me down the road of firearms and protecting myself and paying attentionto everything.

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and going through the proper channels to get a CCW to do the things that I need to doaccording to the law.
And what's so disheartening to me is we have legislators now, we just saw a bill that justgot pulled, but make no mistake about it, gun owners, like they put these bills in place

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and they pull them because the pressure's too high.
They didn't pull them because they got smart.
They pulled them because the timing wasn't right.
So the bill that we just saw go through legislation that just got pulled would basicallymake it illegal for you to defend your own home with a firearm if somebody came into your
home.

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yeah.
And that's true.
oh
pulled.
It was great that it got pulled, but I have a feeling that back.
fact that he's to have to introduce this bill is horrible and worrisome.

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You know, it's, it's, this is what we're dealing with in Sacramento.
This just came to mind.
So during the Pacific Palisades fires, I had the opportunity to go down and do a ridealong with some of the Cal Fire people down there while the fires were going on and what
was happening and just seeing the deal down there and just the devastation in our, in ourcommunity, right?

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While I'm doing that, there's a legislator's home that's right there off the beach, thehome, nobody's even in the home.
had Secret Service guarding the property to make sure nobody showed up to steal anythingout of the home while the fires are going on.
So explain to me how we have legislators that can send Secret Service to their home toguard their TVs and beds and clothes, yet we as citizens shouldn't be allowed to have a

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firearm in our house to protect our families.
And if you do have that firearm, 11 rounds of ammunition is way too extreme.
uh
What if there's 12 guys, Mike?
What if there's 12 guys?
I really what you had on your web
you decide to use it as your bio.
Let's let's let's step back.
Let's talk about its District 34.

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Is it entirely 45?
Excuse me, District 45.
Nice, 45.
Gun guy.
That's a great.
Is 45 entirely in the Inland Empire?
Tell us about.
Graphics, you know, what is it?
What's what's in the district?
Yeah, I love that.
So my district is primarily in the Linn Empire.

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It ranges pretty much from Redlands to Fontana and north of the 10 freeway.
I mean, that's the big the big dividing lines.
Obviously, when they start doing different division lines for districts, they get allwonky and crazy.
But that's pretty much the lines and my demographics are really people like you and me,Michael, honestly, it's

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So good looking guys.
Good looking guys.
I'm with you.
Yeah, shout out to Route 66 Gun Club, which is right there.
There's some amazing businesses in there.
There's so many people in there.
The demographics are predominantly Spanish, Mexican American and black, and justhardworking Americans.

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I mean, you've got San Bernardino there, which when I realized what my district was, and Ireally started diving into what this looks like.
San Bernardino breaks my heart.
You can't even drive through San Bernardino right now and not see homelessness, not seeparks filled with tents, not see people that are hurting that we haven't done anything for

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them.
There's so much money being flooded into the Inland Empire right now for homelessness andto me it seems like we're getting worse.
It does seem like we're getting worse.
I'll be honest with you.
I have a lot of opinions on a lot of political uh issues.
I've had and solved all the world's problems at some point in my life.

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On the homeless issue, it's...
to be closely related to drugs.
and closely related to mental health.
can't tell.
You know, are they on drugs because they're unhealthy because they're on drugs.
I don't know what the solution is.
What are a couple of real achievable, real achievable, achievable,

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Well, it's a huge situation.
It's honestly a big problem.
And I truly believe that the way we help our homeless situation is we, we the people, getinvolved in help.
So there's millions of dollars being flooded in the Inland Empire right now to deal withthis issue.
Why are we not putting it back into every single church that's in those areas?

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Why don't we go to those churches and say, hey, we have a problem.
We want to use your congregation, your facilities, and help.
These people, a lot of them, it is a mental issue.
And law enforcement, I believe the number is they have to have 11 touches before thatperson makes a decision to change.
um That's a problem.

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Like, I understand this person's in a situation, but why do we not have some kind of
regulations or guidance or laws or whatever you want to call it that will actually allowlaw enforcement to intervene and get the state involved, get the community involved to
help this person.
Like, are we just going to leave these people on the street and, and wait to talk to them11, 12, 15 times before they make a decision to make a difference?

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Like, how does that help the community?
How does that help the person?
How does that help
everything that's involved.
Like it makes no sense to me.
So there's a couple of.
some of my favorite questions to ask, it's an interesting question.
I don't know if it's really a right answer, you know what I mean?

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it's lot of context, but it's an interesting thought exercise.
If there is a law or bill that you're That you are morally opposed to it you You thinkit's a bad But you know for a fact, know, you know without a doubt you've taken surveys,

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you know for a fact any support this bill
Do you vote for the bill because you're constipated and said, want to vote for this bill?
Or do vote against this bill because those principles are your
that you know that's that's your thought on the situation

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Well, you don't pull punches, do you Michael?
Good question, right?
It's a great question.
And I actually like the question.
And I've thought about this.
um You said context.
So let me go backwards a little bit.
I have don't know a lot about me personally, but some people that I'm sure see this do.
um There is

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I've ran a lot of campaigns, I've been involved in a lot of campaigns, and I've watched alot of people kind of jump into these races because they get, they make an emotional
decision.
They make a decision because they're tired of what's going on in the state.
They're tired of what's happening and they feel like they have to do something.
And so they make an emotional decision.
And I don't, I don't go against any of that.

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I've supported a lot of those people and some of those people are in office right now andthey're doing an amazing job.
I'm not that person.
I have been
strongly going through council, talking to different people, talking to differentindividuals, evaluating, understanding what this position actually is, understanding what

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it means to be an elected official.
And the question that you're asking about what do you do if there's something presented toyou that I personally am totally against and 90 % of my constituents are for it.
I have to vote.
The why is because as an elected official, I'm not put in office to represent myself.

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I'm put in office by the people that are going to vote for me and those that are vote ifit's truly a 90 % positive bill.
And if I don't personally agree with it, it's not my decision I'm representing up there.
It's collectively the community's decision.
And that's the way I would have.

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That's it?
Okay.
Where do you get your moral compass?
Where does your moral compass come from?
My moral compass comes straight from Christ himself.
I'm a Christ follower.
I attend Calvary Chapel, Chino Hills.
I'm several Bible studies.
My moral compass is directly from my heart and it's from the word of God.

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I knew four years ago when I got involved in all this politics and going after what wasgoing on in our schools, what was happening to our kids.
um
that I needed to have a strong foundation.
I needed more into what was going on with my relationship with Christ ah because I knewthis was going to be a very serious battle.

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And I was going to come up against a lot of opposition.
And that opposition wasn't going to come from just people.
It was going to come from principalities and things that I couldn't see or deal with.
And I had no other option other than to seek him.
So that's where my morals comes from.
You know, whenever you talk to for office or they started a new business or did kind ofbig projects in life, there's one moment where they, aha moment, you know, where they

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really made the decision, hey, I'm going to do this, for this office, whatever it is.
What was your What was your moment that really made you this office?
So there's two very distinct moments and They're kind of strange.
It's not like some explosion went off or anything like that.

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The two do story to sink moments were this um Last election cycle there were three daysleft enter a bowel In 40 it's Eloise Reyes Gomez's seat.
I think it's the 42nd now.
They've moved lines around a little bit over here so I'm not exactly but

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I got a phone call from a very good friend and the central committee of the RepublicanParty and they wanted to put my name in the hat for this seat.
It was going to be an unopposed seat, it was open and they wanted my name on the ballot.
So we started doing the process and in that process I realized that the lines had beenmoved and I was no longer able to run for that seat.

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And so we kind of tabled it and I started praying about it.
And then when the primary ballots came out, I looked down and saw that I was now in the45th and I was like, this is what I'm supposed to do.
So it wasn't, it was literally seen who I was going to run against and seeing where I nowlived and realize this is where I need to do.

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And that was the first one.
Um, and the most significant, the second one,
If you're in 9 millimeter you wouldn't have run because it's not really that no, I'mkidding.
All right Second one
The second one, I was actually up at the state Capitol and I was doing a prayer event.

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And in that, I had a moment where it was night, we were over the pillow, we were prayingover schools, we were praying over kids.
And I was all by myself.
And if you guys have ever seen the state Capitol at night, it's absolutely gorgeous.
It's lit up, the trees are amazing.
It's just a beautiful building.

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I mean, we should be proud as Californians to have a state that looks like
Exactly.
And I was sitting there and I've had a moment and I said, you know what, I said, if thisis what you want, this is what I'll do.

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And that the day that I made an initial decision to run for this race.
Good answer.
What about, what's one issue where you part ways with your political party?
Is there an issue with the Republican Party?

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Bye!
That's an interesting question because honestly, the Republican Party has changed a bitand where their line has become gray, not black, right?
So we've seen the Republican Party in the last convention talk about marriage and talkabout the fact that marriage is questionable as to whether it should be between a man and

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a woman.
And no, we the platform.
and that line, it is between a man and a woman, m that's kind of a gray area.
And for me, morally, I believe that is a covenant between a man and a woman with God.
And I don't, I favor on that.

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um And so I guess that would be the one issue that kind of sticks out in my mind, that I'ma little bit off kilter from the Republican Party.
Interesting and I've spoken before we've talked about guns here just uh The SecondAmendment why second amendment important, you know, are you gonna defend us as gun owners?

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And go to Sacramento your gun owners
So I feel gun owner is, not only privileges are right, it truly is.
Our founding fathers put the second amendment in the constitution for a reason.
It wasn't just so that you could have AR-15s.
It wasn't so you can have high capacity magazines.

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It wasn't any of that.
It was to defend our freedom and to fight for justice against all enemies, foreign anddomestic.
And I feel that if you are a,
a uh moral person, if you can pass the background check, the extensive background checkthat we've put in place in California, there is absolutely no reason why you can't own a

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firearm of your choice.
I'll be honest, I hunt in several different states and it bothers me every time I go todifferent state and I'm looking at weapons that are amazing and we can't own them in
California.
Why?
It makes no sense to me.
So my goal would be to bring back uh some of the gun manufacturers that we lost.

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We lost a lot of people, gun manufacturers that don't want to distribute their weaponshere in California because they literally have to create a brand new firearm because of
all the regulations that California puts in place.
And it's ridiculous.
So I just want to clarify, you do not support, you don't support limitations, you don'tsupport the rocker, you don't support the assault weapons ban or the semi-automatic rifle

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ban, right?
That's not.
that you'd be totally in favor of getting rid of all three of those if a vote.
uh
Yeah.
Okay good.
Tomorrow.
All right.
I would favor of like Trump has floated the idea of any federal CCU that it's it's acrossall states to be in 1000 % support of that.

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I don't believe he is.
I don't see a reason why if pass a background and my sheriff is willing to sign my car andtell me that that's okay, what do we not be able to carry everywhere?
My life is just as important in California as it is in Michigan.
That is in Washington, is in Colorado.

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Why can I not defend myself over there?
people to know about you, know about your, what's a message you definitely want to makesure people hear from you and get across.
So one of the things that I want to make everybody knows is I am running this race oncommon sense.
uh We have seen so many things change in our world and in our state since COVID.

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We have a president in office right now that we voted for.
uh A lot of us in California voted for.
A lot of counties in California voted for him, including the Inland Empire, which is whereI'm running.
We have a state that's using our tax dollars now to make sure that our state doesn'tfollow his policies.

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I believe 1000 % that if we don't fight the battle for our kids and our kids education andour kids safety, we lose all of this.
The reason why so many people have left California and gone to other states is primarilyover their kids.

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We as adults take a lot.
We as adults can swallow a lot.
But when you start having government interfere in your child's education, in your child'ssafety, and in your child's upbringing, that's where parents say, no, not anymore.
And that's the biggest thing that I'm running on is our kids.

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Our kids have to be defended.
Our kids have to be educated.
And our kids need a chance and an opportunity to succeed and to grow.
in a state that believes in them.
Great.
Great, Greg.
How do people find your website?
ah Abdos for CA.com and that's it.

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That's it.
Okay, great.
Great, man.
Thank you so much and I appreciate you.
outspoken about the Second Amendment.
I appreciate you taking the time to come on Gun Owners Radio.
thank you so much.
I'll talk to you soon, man.
Thanks so much, Michael.
appreciate it.
And to all the moms out there, happy Mother's Day.
God bless everybody.
Great.
See you, Greg.
See you later.

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Okay, we clear?
Good.
That was good.
Uh, so was it a-
an earthquake?
determine?
I didn't get any alerts.
I mean, I know that we have a train that passes by and I know they are doing work on theroof, but I don't think.
I mean it was role.
If you saw, I don't know Greg if you noticed, at one point we all just started looking ateach other and quietly laughing because the whole room had just like rolled and then

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rolled back and we were like was that an earthquake?
Just think, we would think by now that we would have had
see that at all.
I got fuzzy on my end for a second.
That was about it.
that's funny.
I imagine by now we would have gotten some kind of alert.
Where are you guys all at?
That's what makes me think it might have We're down in San Diego.
no, uh Nothing.
oh

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All right.
Well, cool.
Greg, when we, so check us out maybe.
m
be on Gunners Radio and then we'll send you the segment next.
Anything you want with it, can chop it up and edit it and use it the whole thing out orwhatever you'd like to do with it.

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How do we promote the?
mean, I know you've got your guys' air every uh week, but do you guys do like posts oflike, you know, this candidate or this person or anything like that?
We'll promote the episode on day and say, here's what's coming up.
And you know, here's, you know, here's where we're interviewing that sort of thing.

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And then when we spin off the actual segment, that's we'll, promote you that way as well.
Okay, cool.
All right.
Um, well you have my social stuff if you guys want to come out and I'll make sure I postit and share it.
Okay.
Awesome.
it everywhere.
All right.
God bless you guys.
Have a Mother's Day.
Thank you, have a good one.
See you man.

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Bye bye.
Okay, anything we need do?
We're ready to jump right in.
I'm good.
I think we're ready to jump in.
Well then let's jump.
in

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set.
and everybody gets loud.
uh
Sorry.
Okay, go.
Are you gonna read the?
the cargo ad.
Yeah, should we do that first?

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I immediately felt tension in the room.
Desecant.
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Well, whatever.
It's fine.

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They don't know what...
is either.
So I think we should think of a different I don't really I really don't think people knowwhat the hell that means.
I mean they come in like I know what they are.
Yeah.
But I never
You could just explain it like, you know when you get something new and you open it up andthere's all these little packets of the clear little circles?

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It's desiccant.
that's what I'm gonna do next.
But it's gonna sound valuable though, because it's free.
That's true.
But this is even better than the right...
Okay, can we reach a while?
By the way, Mike had a good tip for me with my desiccant.

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He said just because the ones that I have you're supposed to put in the oven.
Who's going to like leave their oven on low for like two hours or whatever it is to redoit?
He said just leave on the dash of your car on a hot day.
I'm like, that's amazing.
Yeah.
Like an hour or two on the dash of my car and it was done.
Do to heat my house?
All right.
Very smart.

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Not so much.
Hey, so we I saw Dakota, you weren't in the studio last week.
A mission and I was I saw the cool social media posts and it looks like, OK, so you telleverybody where you went.

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You were in Colorado.
What are you doing?
I was at a fantastic facility named Cameo in just outside of Grand Junction, Colorado.
So pretty close to the Utah border there on the west side of Colorado.
And it's a beautiful range facility, probably the biggest range I've ever been at.
There's over like 28, I think, live fire bays, separate bays.

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And then they've got like long range rifle bays and all sorts of other fun stuff.
But I was there for the Girl and a Gun National Conference.
My
Yeah, so every year a Girl and a Gun has a really large ladies only national conference.
There were 950 people there this year.
And I got there early.
I got to Colorado last Sunday and I was in charge of like the registration process.

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So I had a bunch of volunteers.
We had swag from a ton of sponsors.
can't even name them all, but there were like 40 or 50 companies that donated stuff tothis conference.
So we got pistol pouches and lead-off wipes and all sorts of things that were super fun,then stickers and coupons and gift cards and all sorts of fun stuff.

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And by the way, this wasn't your first time.
You're the Aguilera Gun chapter.
here in San Diego.
Yes, yep, I run the San Diego chapter and I'm on the advisory board for the AcarlingaNational.
And
The chapter here, correct me if I'm wrong, but you guys got some recognition?
We did.
So there was a leadership day where it was kind of all the facilitators and the, we callit a team, but like the leaders of the chapters and San Diego chapter got a few different

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awards.
Actually, I brought them with me.
So we got something called most participant event waivers.
So that means that we had the most people come through our events in 2024 out of anychapter in the country.
And there's a couple hundred chapters.
So that was a pretty cool.

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uh That's a subtle motivation to get people to sign waivers too.
uh 100%.
I was like, either I am really good at getting people to sign their waivers or I had themost people.
I don't know which one.
um And then we also got largest chapter in the nation, which is kind of funny because Iactually didn't even know that we were the biggest chapter.
that was pretty fun.

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Funny, fun, good.
And then they did just like some personnel award type things and
At this point it was almost embarrassing because I had already gotten called up twice.
like trek up there to get my thing, trek down to go sit down.
They're fat.
Exactly.
And then they were doing the personnel awards and I won biggest cheerleader.

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So that was kind of fun.
They said that I am helpful to other facilitators.
You know, people call me and ask about how I run the chapter and different events we haveand stuff.
So I do try to be available for people to chat, but I didn't know they were gonna give meall that.
So it was super sweet.

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I really uh appreciated it.
Well, that well-deserved recognition is very, very cool.
Above and beyond the recognition.
was the funnest part.
So let me just kind of lay the stage for what this event is because it's massive.
So the first day is that leadership day.
Then the second day is a lecture day.
So we had uh Tatiana Whitlock, Lillianne Hamblin of Luca Tactical, Brian Hill of TheComplete Combatant.

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He's been to San Diego a few times.
I he's coming back this summer.
Dr.
John Lott, we've been talking about him a lot on the show.
He was a keynote speaker at that event.
uh And then uh Mike.
McKinnon from uh Hygenal, they do like the uh lead wipes, the hand wipes and things.
So that was an amazing day of just learning.

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You you're basically sitting in a lecture hall for eight hours and hearing all of theseamazing, you know, things about second amendment and laws and, you know, lead protection
and all sorts of stuff.
Lead, interrupt you here.
The lead protection is actually pretty, pretty fascinating.
You were telling me, and you were telling me, tell everybody real quick what you saidabout diet and lead.

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if you spent, basically if you spent too much time on the range, you'll end upaccumulating too much lead in your system, and it could negatively impact you.
fact, do you remember, you guys know, you know why he was mad, why he was.
No.
Because they used to put a layer of lead on hats to help preserve them.

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You knew that, right Alicia?
So these hatters would get too much lead in their system, they'd go crazy.
It takes a lot of lead to do this.
you were saying that, tell everybody, this has nothing to do with the event, but I wantyou tell everybody what we found.
about diet.
Yeah, there's some studies that show, and I'm not going to pretend I know how this works,but some studies that show that the receptors or whatnot that the lead actually bonds to,

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the lead can't bond to those in your body if they're already full with something else thathas bonded to that same receptor.
So there's some evidence that shows that certain types of foods and also just uh being onthe range on a full stomach.
helps mitigate the ability for lead to actually bond to that.
And so it's more easily kind of flushed through your system, just through your kidneys andthrough your urine when you are teaching on a full stomach or on the range on a full

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stomach.
Not a doctor, but some studies seemed to show that.
I did not, I did not.
Take this with a grain of salt
uh Okay, but you said specifically like leafy greens
Yeah, like cilantro and I think tomatoes was on that list as well.

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I'm not sure why, but there's a whole list of foods.
I think uh it's not OSHA, but it's the um California something of lead, whatever,poisoning control.
They call me because my lead is high.
But every time they call me, they give me a new tip.
Here's another thing you can try.
So one of the folks I talked to at that state agency or county agency or whatever it was.

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um
was telling me that that study showed cilantro, leafy greens, tomatoes, some other thingsare helpful.
Okay, so for our list, you guys are gonna need the green.
Leafy greens.
Some human beings consume plants.
It sounds odd to us, think about the last time you went to a Mexican restaurant.

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Remember that green stuff that was all over your burrito?
That was probably cilantro.
So that's what you mean by leafy green.
Give it a try.
They're pretty yummy arugula, know, some kale, some spinach.
It's all yummy.
I'd have led.
Just get a brisket.

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um Okay, so getting back.
So what's the funnest part of the...
Yeah
There was a demonstration day.
So we had the lecture day, then the next day is like all these sponsors.
So you can go shoot their guns.
So we had Bauer Suppressors out, Beretta, Glock, Walther, H &K, Charter Arms.

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just all these companies, Primary Arms was there.
So they bring all sorts of guns.
It's fun because it's stuff you can't shoot in California or you can't get in California,you know.
So you get to try a bunch of new things.
So that was a lot of fun.
And then the next three days, the Friday, Saturday, Sunday are all training events.
So I was able to take some fun classes Friday and Saturday.

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And then on Sunday, I was teaching for Filster Holsters.
So I taught two sessions on concealment for all body types.
But probably my favorite class that I took was a three gun class.
It was pistol, rifle, shotgun, and kind of set up like a small three gun stage.
And that was super fun.
And now I have the three gun bug.

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And I'm probably going to go shoot a three gun match in October.
It's just more, you know, more, do more.
You know, you know we should do?
We should do a video of looks like, you know, some guy, you know, grunts that, you know,and maybe he's wearing 5'11 pants or something like that.
And there's.

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Maybe and there's dramatic music playing like like that Sarah McLaughlin song or whatever.
No, Puppy Side though, right?
Yeah.
basically what he's what he is.
is that he's got so much lead in his system that his doctor needs to...
and he just he's like weighing the options.
You know, go insane.

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I'm on that same watch list they call me.
Really?
Geez.
Yeah, mine's pretty bad.
Really?
That explains it.
Well, there is a...
I've learned a lot.
I've learned a lot since my lead levels have gone up in a linear fashion for quite sometime.
ah But just for people who shoot a lot and are interested in this, there's a few thingsthat I think have actually helped the most.

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Obviously washing hands very well after shooting is a big one and after handlingammunition.
But what I also started doing is having separate range shoes.
So my range shoes...
go on the range, and then as soon as I'm off the range, they go in Ziploc baggies, andthey just live in my car, and they're contained.
And then I take them out and I put them on when I get back to the range.

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that way I'm not walking around my house or getting it, you I have some carpet, some tile,but still I just, you know, not having it on the floor and then also not having it in my
car.
Because I'm, you know, I...
eat things that fall sometimes.
I'm sure that was contributing.
10 second rule, I'm like, you know, a little piece of protein bar on the floor of my car,it's fine, it's good, it's not a problem.

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But I think I was ingesting lead that way.
That's easier than leafy greens.
We're gonna buy you a hazelnut.
like in a Darth Vader outfit or something.
Since we're talking about lead, I just want to give just a kind of a thought about that.

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don't want to scare anybody off.
and I spend a lot more time on the range than most people.
So if you're just a, it's a hobby, it's fun, you do occasional training, you don't need tohave the same level of concern that, like I'm out there many, dozens of hours per week.
are straight.
I think our listeners are far more scared off by the leafy green idea.

(45:34):
You're probably right.
Yeah, as long as no one's like shooting handling ammo and then like licking their fingers.
I think I think you'll be alright
Is that where I went wrong?
Coming up.
No, actually, Alicia.
Doctors spend a lot of time on the range, so I'm going to the range once or twice a monthand you're shooting for an hour and you go through 100 or 200 rounds, something like that.

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But again, we're not doctors, we're not lawyers, we're not construction workers, we're notIndians, we're not bikers.
Just podcast.
right, let's move on.
Let's go to the.
Yeah, of the week.
Gun Truth of the Week.

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Okay.
A 2002 report produced by the U.S.
Department of Education.
Are they still around?
There was a U.S.
Department of Education and they produced a report in collaboration with the U.S.
Secret Service.
They found something very interesting.
When it comes to school shootings from the quote, despite prompt law enforcement, mostattacks by

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law enforcement intervention.
And a quarter, about a were stopped by law enforcement intervention, which meant thatthree quarters were not.
You know, we've been saying since the show started, I've gone as the
effective self-defense tool ever invented, ever created.
Not a cop.
um

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cops are great, they're brave, they do what they can, they investigate crimes after theyreally good trying chalk lines.
But the reality is your self-defense is up to you.
Get a gun, get trained, get.
kick everywhere you can.
That is the of the week.

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All right.
um Let's go to the Q &A's.
Okay.
All the emails, phone calls.
kinds of questions, so we answer them Okay, this one interesting I kind of had to lookthis up I had to look this up because California is goofy and there's so much, you know

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wanted to make sure I got this right again I'm not in a anything I say here is not alicensed California specializes in firearms
So the question is, can I give a firearm to my spouse or.
Can he or she give it back to me later?

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I got this right from California DOJ, right?
Rob Bonta's website.
The answer, yes, as long as the person receiving the farm is not in a prohibited...
...farm is legal to possess, so it's...
doesn't fall under the assault weapons ban for example But in a wife or from There toperform the transfer Interesting to me and where I wear the

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comes in.
If the firearm is a handgun, the recipient must obtain a handgun safety certificate priorto taking possession uh of operation law or an intra-famil handgun transfer.
form, is as far as I can go.

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and that's within 30 days of taking possession.
The same rule applies.
the return of the firearm at a later date.
Now that's possession.
If you're standing at the range and you say, hey, hun, try my gun.
Or you say, hey, I'm working late and my guns in the nightstand, so make sure that you useit for self-defense.

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They're talking about, in this, they're talking about changing ownership.
If it's, hey, hun, I got you a great gun for Christmas.
you know, you would have to do the intra-familial, especially if they were going to put iton their CCW.
So that's what they're talking about.
So don't think that, you know, if you're standing there in the same lane, you know, onDayton, and you hand her your Glock 19 that you got to go through, then she hands it back

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to you and you got to, and then you say, by the way, her hold this,
a second, you gotta go through another, that's not how it works.
But in the transfer form, don't have.
have to have the safety
certificate, you know in order to leave a fire so there you go They're also going to wantproofs of residency as well all the same docs as if you're buying from a dealer because

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it's the requirement of the dress
Yes, and you're just going through this.
Follow the transfer form on C.
Follow the boxes, follow all the instructions.
good to go, but you don't have to go down to a gunshot Want to give one tip on theinterfamilial transfer form though?
A lot of people are confused by it you look at it There's no mention of what I'm going toshare with you on the back of the instructions when they ask for the owner information

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They're not talking about the current owner.
They're talking about the new one who wants to become the owner nowhere on that form doyou list the
prior owner or the one who's giving it, it's only listing of the person receiving it.
So that confuses a lot of people because there's no explanation given.
just say owner.
And again, this is just for taking ownership.
You know, when they talk about possession, you're doing an infrequent.

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you know, you know,
spouse, that's totally okay.
So let's say that he or she, your spouse is taking a two day class with an infrequent.
for two days.
uh Short term, you a spouse that's totally fine.
Of course, if your spouse is prohibited, then it's not gay,

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as long as they're not prohibited there they should be good.
You don't have to file a transfer form.
So they go
The interfamilial transfer form can take quite a while too.
So just be aware of that.
It's not a quick process.
I think the last time I did one it was like 10 months.
It seems to be down like four to six months now.
It's still not quick.
If we're willing to put the money out going to an FFL is 10 days.

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But then you also don't have possession of that gun for the 10 days.
So like, I have sometimes a student who's like, they have one gun in the house, it was thehusband's gun, now he's transferring it to his wife, but that's their one gun, so they
don't want to be down a gun, so they'd rather do the inter-familial transfer process.
And if you're worried about getting it on your CCW, just take copies of everything.

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and submit it and you can get it on your CCW.
they don't,
The sheriff's office doesn't make you wait the 10-month Yeah, if you just submit it andsay boom.
No, yes, they if you just show them the paper like hey here You know, I submitted itthrough C for God's they're good to go All right.

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There's QA.
Let's move on to our lot
and legal updates.
What do you say?
I like it.
All right, this segment is our legal legislative segment where we tell you what you needto know from the courts and the legislators.
Remember, we are not lawyers and nothing we say is to be taken as legal advice.

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Okay, this is brought to you by this lawsuit is brought to you by firearms policycoalition.
They are awesome.
You've done a fantastic job.
Texas lawsuit could blow in gun free zone.
The country, the lawsuit is the zynga fuss.
I'm guessing it's how you pronounce that.

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Is eigen food either way.
That's currently for the U S district court of the district of Texas challenges.
Three separate carry bands covering a staff.
Percent or more of their revenue from alcohol.
Sporting events so.

(54:13):
Basically, and by the way, this is a US carry USA carry did a great.
Fort Worth, Texas.
Basically you can't carry in areas that derive.
The majority of.
All say.
or gambling betting that sort of thing just can we clarify though?
This is Texas not California.

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Absolutely.
California presently is restaurants.
Okay.
Is that it's out of North Texas is where the district is?
It's actually the article Fort Worth, Texas, a group of tech.
is asking a federal court to parts of the Texas Penal Code that prohibit the carrying offirearms in specific public venues.

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It talks about the lawsuit.
At the heart of the case is the claim that Texas Penal Code 46.03 lawfully
upon the Second Amendment rights of law-abiding citizens by banning of are not yetconsidered sensitive places.
So that sentence is actually becoming very.

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in the past, currently really.
But the government's just been allowed to say, this is a sensitive place.
It just is.
Trust us.
And the new, I'd say, tactic for pushing back on this is to say, hey, wait a minute.
How do we define a sensitive place?
What makes a sensitive place sensitive?

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You know, it...
Are you protect if it is sensitive?
Are you protecting us in that place or their guards?
Are they armed?
You know, why is it sensitive?
Why is a post office?
Sensitive why is that a sensitive place if it is a sensitive place?
Why don't they have armed security there?
They don't think it's very sensitive clearly if Acting so that idea of Historic that areyou know place that are historically considered some place that aren't secured by law

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enforcement.
Well, you're kind of losing your
your argument.
that it should be a sensitive place.
So why should a bar be a sensitive place?
What's sensitive about a bar?
If I go to a bar, I'm not drinking, I don't drink, I've never, I'm just there to have someginger ale, a nice little cherry in my ginger ale and maybe a little, you know, cherry

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juice and whatever, you know, I shouldn't have to worry about my gun, right?
Why is that a sensitive area?
question.
Yes ma'am.
What are they, how do they define sensitive?
Because I wonder if we are in, what do they mean by sensitive?
Have they ever defined it?
No, that's exactly, that's kind of where the heart is.
Do mean is it vulnerable?

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it...
know that the Bruin court did sort of say sensitive places include a couple of differentlocations and it was like courthouses, legislative buildings, polling places.
I think those were the only things in the Bruin decision that were considered sensitive.
No.
And if you look at those three places, mean, polling places is really an because they'rebasically saying, hey, this is sensitive.

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You can't carry a gun here because that it's like you're intimidating.
Yeah, you're like you're intimidating people.
But the other two places, courtroom.
Courthouses and legislative buildings.
So again, there's at least a, someone could understand, oh well, you might be intimidatinga jury, you might be intimidating a legislator, but what do they have at courthouses and

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legislator?
They have security.
So they can at least make the art.
you know that we have armed security here, you know oh
not letting you protect yourself, but we will protect you if needed.
You know, that's the that's the Promise ish.
Yeah, not that we necessarily agree with that, but
I've told a story before about how I took someone to the ER.

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They as they were getting checked security bonded and I said, yeah, I'm carrying a gun andthey said do you have a badge?
I said no, I don't have a You know, I have a carry permit and they said well, I don't knowwhat to do.
Hold got the supervisor now at this point if if I'm a criminal, you know, I'm patientlywaiting for them Supervisor came in was very polite said look you need to put this into a

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locker that we have available for you You can go back
put it in your car and said I'll put it in the car.
We're unarmed.
Both of us are disarmed.
That safety.
It's safety theater.

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It's let's put on this production to make people feel good or to make people feel safewithout actually providing any safety.
And hopefully no one calls us out on it and hopefully it doesn't become a problem.
But I think about the liability that you would assume these businesses are taking on bydisarming law abiding citizens.

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Like, doesn't that feel like they would have some sort of liability if there was a problemin that building?
I want to ruin I'm making this
You even though it's in Texas and it may or may not directly affect California, that's thenew battle of forcing them to define what is a sensitive area and why, why is it And if it

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is a sensitive area, like you said, don't you, there's no level of responsibility you arenow taking on for our safety.
So, okay.
So what's next court has set a May 14th date.
So just a few days, it's less than a week away.
That's all for opposition briefs from.
both sides followed by reply briefs due by May 8th.

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These filings will complete the after which the judge could issue a ruling without atrial.
So summary judgment basically means, just like it said, if this case is strong enough, ifthe opposite is so lopsided that it's so obvious, the judge could just decide to just give

(01:00:20):
up.
a judgment right here and now.
We're not gonna go any further.
And that could happen.
I hope that we win.
hope that it is that strong in the eyes of a huge win.
It talks about the national ramifications.
The case is one of several post.
Ruin lawsuits, challenging state and local laws, firearm carry in public space.

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Yeah.
public spaces.
At issue is the interpretation of what qualifies a category narrowed
to include courtrooms, polling places, and legislative buildings.
This is the new fight and we in California should be very very
of what's going on in the other 40 states when it comes to fighting.

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I mean just this over the cold.
The extreme when it comes to trained law abiding gun owners and where we can and can'tdefend ourselves.
You know.
We gotta fight back.
So I have a question, Michael.
Let's say that this Texas case goes well, or any of the other cases that are similar,right?

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We've got sensitive cases in California, New York, New Jersey, I think a couple otherstates as well.
So for those states, if any one of those states has a case that goes really, really wellfor us, what does that look like?
Does that look like it goes to the Supreme Court?
Would that help determine those other state cases?
Or is each state going to kind of...

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make their own decision and then it's just going to stay at that level.
Good question.
this is so it breaks down to and the federal side breaks down to district the ninthcircuit.
So anything that happens and all the other circuits doesn't really matter.
The ninth circuit is kind of its own little.
And they can do whatever they want.

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One of the ways that people talk about ah getting to the Supreme Court is if the ninthcircuit.
uh One thing it could say thing, well, that's a reason for the Supreme Court.
to uh

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you know, the, you know.
fights between the executive branch and the legislative branch, that takes priority.
So the more they're fighting, the fewer civil rights cases or second amendment cases theycan take.
And they really haven't taken a lot of second amendment cases historically.
the course of what are we, 150 years old now?

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So it's still crucial that we get the right people elected.
We can't just sit back and wait.
for the Supreme Court to save us.
But yes, that would be the ultimate.
uh Firearms Policy Coalition emphasized that public carry should not be criminalized basedon arbitrary classifications.
Quote, the government cannot designate common public places off limits to people.

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It's just because it's.
of where people gather.
I think that's a powerful statement.
Yeah, I think one thing about this argument that's always interesting to me is you hearthe other side say things like, well, if it's a gun free zone, you know, you know, it
would be horrible if we like are arming these people.
I hear it a lot with schools.
They're like, well, you know, this is a gun free zone, but now you want to arm theteachers.

(01:03:55):
And it's like, I don't think anyone here is arguing for arming people who don't want to bearmed.
We're just saying, stop taking away the guns from people who would otherwise be carrying agun everywhere they go.
They're already carrying.
a gun, they're going to all of these places, but now you're actually telling them theyhave to disarm themselves to be there.
And that's the piece that we're against.

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We're not saying everybody in a bar should carry a gun.
We're saying if you already were going to be carrying a gun, we should not be forcing youto take the gun off just to go to the bar.
There you go, exactly right.
Okay.
Next, I want to start before we talk next, start with a video that was, this is a HarmeetDillon, who uh was, was an attorney out here still as an attorney, but she was here in

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California.
She was a big leader in the Republican party and she's in the Trump administration workingon civil rights issues.
I wanted to play a piece of an interview that she was just a part of where she talksabout.
Second Amendment, and then I'll talk about the relevance of that.
The new project I've got going in the Civil Rights Division, to the surprise of manypeople on both sides, is the Second Amendment.

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Who's protecting the Second Amendment in the federal government?
Prior Republican administrations haven't paid a lot of attention to affirmatively doingthat, but in the wake of clear guidance from the United States Supreme Court protecting
our right to
own and use firearms in most circumstances throughout the United States.

(01:05:30):
City after city, state after state are eviscerating those rights.
They're mocking the Supreme Court by passing laws that make it virtually impossible.
Colorado just passed a law that is extremely onerous and imposes a financial burden on gunownership.
California oh is wink, wink, nudge, nudge, allowing you to apply for concealed carry inmultiple places, and then they don't staff the departments.

(01:05:51):
Through the interviews, D.C.
I came here to DCI a firearm.
I'm a firearms owner.
I inquired about the process.
It's months before I can get an appointment with the chief of police or the policedepartment to even apply to exercise my second amendment rights.
Well, I'm exercised about that.
I'm not happy about that.
And I might be doing something about that.

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New York has a host of laws that are different in upstate New York and different in NewYork City.
And they all violate the constitution.
ah We will be working together to uh make this a focus of the Civil Rights Division,challenging state law that violates fundamental civil rights in the Civil Rights

(01:06:36):
So that is the executive branch but let's go to the legislative branch are Republicansabout to screw up your gun rights So the legislative branch obviously is Congress and
there were two bills that would benefit gun greatly that were blocked by Republicans Onewas the protection of hearing act, which is HR And the other bill is HR 646 and that would

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remove short
shotguns from the NF
which basically means it means the suppressors and short and any kind of firearm, like arifle.
with a short barrel, should say more accurately.
They're heavily regulated and taxed for no reason.
You have to pay this tax just to own one.

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Benefit anybody anywhere other than the federal government.
Now do I mean by that?
Well, if you go pay taxes on gas, it makes sense that those taxes go to help the roadsthat you're driving on.
Makes sense.
If you're paying taxes on your property, your house, for your...
then they use those taxes to improve your community, educate your kids, that sort of makessense.

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Well, what does this tax on short barrel rifles go towards?
You know, do they send you cleaner for your short barrel rifle?
I mean, how is this benefiting gun owners at all?
It's not, it is simply put there to harass and make things difficult.
So you could finally own a suppressor in most states, unless your law restricts you, andwe'll talk about that.

(01:08:05):
that in just a minute.
uh
with whatever barrel length you feel is best for your self-defense.
Not what the government feels is best for you, but what you feel is best for you.
uh...
the suppressor bill didn't even eliminate every regulation.
It basically said that, if you're going to buy a suppressor, just go through the samesteps you'd take that you would when you purchase a firearm.

(01:08:32):
They'd still require a 4423.
They'd still require a background check.
But it is stuck in the Ways and Means Committee, which is completely and totally run byRepublicans.
So I gotta tell you, am, cannot any longer, don't vote for Republicans, don't vote forDemocrats, vote for people who are pro-Second Amendment.

(01:08:56):
That's what you, I'm so, I get so much flack from people.
when I, you know.
Focus it on Republicans and say hey look at how anti-gun this person you can't simply votefor a Republican and assume they're going to Protect your gun rights and this is proof
positive of everything.
I've been saying for years So let's take a look who's on this Ways and Means Committee,which by the way is a very important committee in Washington DC So first off it's chaired

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by Jason Smith out of Missouri.
This isn't some left-wing crazy Californian this is a rock-solid
quote unquote, red blooded meat eating Republican from Missouri.
And he is part of that.
He is the chair of this committee that's blocking your gun rights, the expansion of your.

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There's a named Buchanan out of Florida.
That's a Republican.
There's a Republican named Kelly out of Pennsylvania.
There's a Republican name.
What's this?
Schwarkert out of Arizona.
Everybody tells me that Arizona is this pro second amendment organization while ananti-gun governor and two.
And now they have a Republican who's blocking your, your ability to own whatever rifle andshotgun you want and whatever suppressor you want to put on it.

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You know, you can look at this.
There's a guy named Arrington from, from Texas, another guy named Smucker fromPennsylvania, uh, Miller from West Virginia.
This isn't some wacky left wing California issue.
This isn't some Democrat issue.
These are the Republicans.
You're looking at the faces of the Republicans from across the country that are standingin the way of what they said they would do, and that's protect your Second Amendment

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rights.
Meet Dylan, the clip I showed, is a huge Republican leader here in California.
Weren't my words when she said that nobody's protecting your Second Amendment rights inWashington, D.C.?
She is quite literally the first person to do that.
Now we've said before that Trump is the most pro-Second Amendment president probably ever,probably ever, at least in the modern age.

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But that's also a statement on how bad the other presidents have been.
At least he said, hey, Harmeet, come here and help us with civil rights, which include theSecond Amendment.
And again, she is a Republican leader.
She actually was the leader of the Republican party, the statewide Republican party inCalifornia.

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And she's saying, nobody has ever protected your second in Washington, DC.
She agrees with me.
So every Republican that's ever come up to me or emailed me or text me and said, Hey,Mike, and you're
wrong about the report.
party, go argue with Harmeet Dhillon, the leader of the California Republican party, whois now a civil rights attorney for the Trump administration in Washington, DC.

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She's the one that's saying no one's standing up for your rights.
The people in the Ways and Means Committee are the Republicans from across the nation arethe ones that aren't standing up for your second amendment rights.
It's completely ludicrous that these aren't passing with flying colors.
It shouldn't even be a sp-
bump.
They are such reasonable uh repeals of restrictions.

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It's unbelievable to me that this would even, you know, that it isn't done.
It isn't a done deal already.
It's not.
And it's because of Republicans.
Let me repeat that.
It's because of Republicans.
What I'm asking you to do is contact
down.
And I think the person we should, we should focus in on is this Jason Smith character whoby the way was NRA endorsed and that's not the NRA's fault.

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The NRA vets and they do a good job.
Uh, it's his fault for courting the NRA and lying to him and saying the second of...
So I'll put a little pressure on him.
Jason Smith, his number will be in the, uh, in the notes, his number is 202-225.
Again, 202-225.

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4404.
contact him directly, Jason Smith.
Tell him how disappointed you are in him as the chair of the Ways and Means Committee notpassing HR 404 and HR 646 so that you can use a suppressor to protect your hearing and you

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can decide what barrel you're gonna use.
your rifle and shotgun.
But most of all, throw second amendment from now on.
I just had some fun times with the suppressors this last weekend.
When I was in Colorado at the Girl and a Gun National Conference, I got to shoot, I don'tknow, eight or nine different types of Bowers suppressors, and I will say that it was...

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So fun.
And it's not just, I mean, it's great for your hearing, obviously.
It's way less noise.
I didn't even need ear protection on for some of the suppressors because they were soquiet.
The sound of the trigger being pressed, the click of the trigger was louder than the gunactually firing, which was crazy to me.
I was not expecting that.

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The sound of uh the projectile hitting the steel plate was louder than the gun going off.
I was like, this is very...
different obviously than what we're used to.
um But not just for the hearing protection, it's also great because there's way lessrecoil.
I mean, the recoil management was significant.
There were two different suppressors that are kind of, guess, designed for that purpose onregular nine millimeter handguns, and it brought it down from what would be a Glock 19

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kicking a little bit to something that I would feel very comfortable teaching.
of somebody who's either elderly and has arthritis or somebody who's really young and hassmaller hands, right?
It allows you to use these firearms in a way that's less intimidating for people but alsosafer for people who have lack of strength or have small hands or are young and just

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starting out learning, so.
So it's safer for people that are small stature, maybe not as strong as a Navy SEAL.
Old hunters, I didn't say old, I mean like 50s, 60s.
How many older hunters do you know who have hearing aids?
Yep, all of them.
of them.
I think a better question is how many do know that don't?

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That don't, yeah, really.
Yeah.
uh
60, if you've spent your life hunting, you probably haven't.
Yep.
Well, and just firearms instructors in general.
If you're in a room with a bunch of instructors, you're all saying, what?
Huh?
Repeat that?
Right?
We're all slowly going deaf.
I wanted to make that point about how important

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it is for us to protect this man.
get to tell you, I think the message here is already right now you don't have a.
You do not have gun owner.
Not proven to to gun owners.
that we should follow you going into the 2026.
and you don't have a whole lot more time to prove yourself.

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That's the message that maybe we
start making real clear to a lot of these.
especially those in grown normal seats.
All right.
right.
OK.
your legal and legislative segment.
So those are the bills you know about this week and we'll be
to make sure you're

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thing we need you to do is show up to Gary Gibson's lecture, what to do after the fight.
This is on May 21st at 6 PM.
So it's just a couple of weeks away.
It is a joint event with USCCA, the local USCCA.

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helping us with this event.
Gary Gibson is a criminal defense attorney.
You've heard a couple
gonna talk
what to do after the fight.
After the fight, you're alive, but now the hard part begins.
There's a uh requested donation, but actually it's free.

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All you gotta do is go to sdcgo.org, click on this banner, and you can attend the eventfor free.
And it's just a couple weeks away, so do it right now.
We still have seats available, but I have a feeling this thing's gonna blow up.
Gary Gibson.
a great job.
We had Gary come out and essentially do this for the women, if not me, just a few weeksago.
It was wildly popular rave reviews.

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Lots of women were emailing and later thinking like, thank you so much for bringing Gary.
And I had no idea.
Cause if think about a lot of people think, well, you know, I define myself asself-defense, but there is so much deeper than that.
I'm the good guy.
I'm the good guy.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You need to know what you need to do to protect yourself.
It doesn't come down to self-defense is enough.

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Yeah, San Diego, we have a great day.
But it doesn't mean we have all the judges are.
All your.
members are great it doesn't mean all your law enforcement.
So.
I think we're even going to serve a bit of food so.
If nothing else convinces you, eat with leafy and green anti-lead food.

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your gullet
Um, the 2025 gun rights policy conference by SAF second amendment.
can go to SAF.org at GRPC.
I will be there.
Alicia, you're coming.
A bunch of people are coming.
think Rich, you're coming.
Producer Rich.
Have you, are you, are you going to be able to make it Dakota?
don't know.
Yeah.

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Remind me the dates.
That's an excellent idea.
is September 22nd.
Excuse me, September 26th.
28.
I'm gonna be just getting home from a couple of weeks in uh in Europe actually, so I don'tit might be a little too close
Good then, we want to get all that European brainwashing out of you.

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uh
But what you want to do is go to saf.org slash grpc and register today.
It's actually free.
mean, you got to get there to Salt Lake City and you have to find lodging.
Um, but it's in Salt Lake City, September 26th through September 28th.
I highly recommend it.
I don't really go to a lot of these, but I really like, um, the attorneys, the activistsand everything they have to say.

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Okay.
Table tops, table tops and shooting socials.
This is going to help San Diego County gun owners spread the word.
So if you've never.
participate in a tabletop or a shooting social go to SDCGO.org slash volunteer.
Pick an event, whether you want to teach somebody how to shoot or you want to spread theword at a gun shop.

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uh We're there to support you.
It's, an event that we organize completely and fully.
You can just parachute in on the day and time where we need you and we will hold your handthrough the whole thing.
They're both a lot of fun.
We definitely need more people to sign up.
If you've never done one, now's the time.
You know, if you're afraid, well gee, I don't know what to do.
We'll show you.

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You'll never be alone.
You'll always be with somebody who knows what they're doing, who gets it all set up.
All we need you to do is show up and, you know, have an open mind and a big smile on yourface and we'll take care of the rest.
So again, if you haven't volunteered with us, make this the year you do a little bit morethan you did last year.
And if you have and you haven't done it in a while, come on back.

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We need the help.
We really want to make this summer a big summer.
Okay, join the prepared protector first aid for armed citizens class.
Gun fights are rare, medical emergencies are not.
Honestly, you are way more likely to need the medical skills you learn in this class thangunfighting skills.

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Be prepared and sign up for the Prepared Protector First Aid for Armed Citizens.
That's on May 17th.
That's at our friend's cargo out in El Cajon.
So that's two birds with one stone.
You can go out and see cargo, see what they're all about, take a really cool class, all onMay 17th.
Students also take home an IFAC.
That's an individual first aid kit with all the critical gear handpicked by

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Erin Pettengill, she's gonna be teaching in the class.
We interviewed her a few weeks ago.
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Alright, let's go to, let's do Start My Nephew.
Sam's on the line, so let's jump in and talk to Sam.

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Sammy there.
There you go.
Yeah, I can hear you perfectly Okay Doing great stump my nephew.
We found out years ago that my nephew is extremely good at gun trivia So if you write inand give it give us a question
And we use it on the air, we'll give you a hat or a shirt.
If you stump my nephew, then you get an even more special prize.

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He doesn't hear the questions in advance.
The first time he hears them will be right here on the air.
So, but you're going to be surprised at how hard it is to stump my nephew Sam.
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Alright, you ready for your question Sam?
m
I hope so.
You
I like the dramatic pause.
All right, Alicia, what are we?

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right, so real quick question for you, Sam.
Do you have any of these cups yet?
Oh, yeah.
We've to get Sam one of those.
There you go, shameless plug.
know, I didn't know you had new mugs.
Sam.
All right.
All right.
So here's your question.
We'll get you a mug.
All right.
So a question comes from Aaron, and he's from Carlsbad.
He asks, what was the first official foregrip manufacturer to get a US military contract?

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Aaron from Carlsbad, thanks for writing in.
What is the first foregrip?
uh Did he specify full foregrip?
No specification.
Okay, what was the first for grip to gain a an official US contract now I'm assuming bythat he means something that is separate from firearm because you could say on The early

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pattern Thompson submachine.
Well, they have a have a vertical for grip.
Does that count?
don't own it um so Now this is a really good question.
It's a tough one and I he might have me on this one um as far as I'm aware the first
separate foregrip that could be attached to a firearm that gained US military approvalgained an NSN and everything was not part of an existing weapons system uh and was not

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part of some kind of accessory kit uh that was like else and So like I'm thinking forexample the m3 carbine was an m2 carbine with a night vision device on it and it used
vertical grip as the control for the IR emanator.
If we're talking separate vertical grips, I believe it was the Knight's Armament uh quoteunquote room handle, as people call it.

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That was included in the SOPMOD kit, which stands for Special Operations PeculiarModifications.
And that was a sort of toolbox basically issued to special operations of all sort ofgoodies like ops, ah
and replacement stock and of course your your Knights armament broom handle and all sortsof uh neat stuff like that so that they could upgrade M4s and M4A1 into just a little bit

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more capable.
Okay, first off, but before we even go into whether he got it right or
I thought this was the most ridiculous question I'd ever heard.
Who's gonna know that?
That's knowledge?
That is so obscure, that's so ridiculous, number one.
Number two, I like the fact, I like it when people leave it open enough to where he cansneak in a little, well you know, technically, the Thompson sub had a, because he's

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exactly right, the Thompson sub did have a foregrip in World War, I don't remember if itWorld War I, I know it was World War II at least.
The early ones did not the not the M1 Thompson that was made during World War two
So, go ahead, did he get it right or did he get it wrong?
He got a hundred percent right.
And I will tell you, I had never even heard of Knight's Armament Company before readingthis answer.

(01:26:54):
I'm not, I'm, not into military firearms, not into military history.
That's just not something I have a talent in as far as knowledge retention.
So I had no clue, but here let me give you the answer that was good to us.
The first official foregrip manufacturer to receive a U S military contract was Knight'sArmament Company, KAC.
In 1995, KAC introduced its vertical foregrip, which became a standardized accessory for US military use.

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particularly as part of the SOP MOD, Special Operations Peculiar Modification Program, forthe M4 carbine.
This marked the first formalized adoption of a vertical foregrip by the U.S.
military.
So we're actually, think next week we're actually gonna have, know, foregrips aren'tsomething we talked about enough.
I think partially because we live in California and we have these weird f***ing laws, butI don't think people talk about foregrips nearly enough.

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It's kind of this, it's one of those deals where it's so obvious that people don't dig in,like, well, it helps you keep a better grip on your gun, Mike.
It's a foregrip, why do we gotta go deeper?
We're gonna go deeper.
um I'm inviting a guy who is a retired,
Navy he was actually on SEAL Team 6 he's still an instructor and we're gonna invite him onthe show next week and his whole job is just to talk about foregrips you know I'm gonna

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have him give his entire impression and what he thinks about foregrips and are theyimportant are they just for military does he recommend them for home defense blah blah
blah blah blah blah you know how do they fit into your self-defense plan so this is a verytimely question from Aaron from Carlsbad who gets a hat or a shirt
but did not stump my nephew.

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By the way, how annoying is it that Knight's Armament Company is KAC?
Feels like it should be NAC, right?
It's just annoying to me.
Good night.
um When I read this question, I kind of chuckled to myself and was like, Sam's not gonnaget this one.
Good job, Sam.

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Are you smart enough to stump Sam?
I bet you have a question or two that'll do it, so don't forget to send your questions infor Sam next week.
Go to gunownersradio.com and submit your stumper.
Okay, so.
We're gonna go to our shoot you straight segment and Sam, I want you to hang in with usand talk to us about some of these things.

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Our straight shooter segment, no bull, just straight shooting on today's hottest gun andpolitical topics.
It's time for the straight shooter segment.
Now we actually have a couple of stories out of San Diego that are related.
The first one is the county has come out, first off, right now the county board ofsupervisors.
And if you don't know what the county board of supervisors does, uh

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alone.
uh
do things,
They basically, uh, think of them as the city council, but for the county.
there are normally five of them.
are five seats and they each have individual districts.
uh two of them right now are pro second amendment.
Two of them are pretty adamantly anti second amendment.

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I don't mean they're ambivalent either.
mean, they're pretty, pretty anti second amendment.
Two of them, the two that are pro second amendment are Republicans.
The two that aren't are Democrats.
The two that are pro second amendment, would say are fairly conservative even for
Republicans and the two that are Democrats are pretty left of center even for Democrats.
I mean it's it's a weird environment.

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Right now we have a special election going on and there's no good pick in that election.
We're kind of screwed.
But right now it's making things interesting because they can't get a majority.
If it's 2-2, they can't get a majority.
And it's interesting, ah there's this little tactic that's been played by both sides.

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If there's something that they don't like proposed...
If it's a two-two vote, if it's a tie vote, they can bring it back in a couple of weeksand vote on it again.
Or bring it back after the election when they get a third vote.
If it is a two-one-one, meaning two for one against and one abstention, they can't bringit back till next year.

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So you're seeing both sides abstain, even though they clearly disagree with the subject.
And you're seeing these weird gays.
that are being played.
So why not just pause everything, not have them work, not pay them, and then we could comeback when we got the fifth person?

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This sounds like a huge waste of time.
reasonable.
It makes all kinds of sense.
That's because this whole thing is a game and a charade.
It is a charade.
And that's how it needs to be pronounced in this ridiculous situation.
I'm seeing the same Not a charade.
It is a charade.
You have to, that extra arrogance and ignorance that goes into saying it that way isimportant.

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Hey, do we have the video, Rich?
for the press conference about the spending.
think you're playing it right now.
Do we have that available or no?
We have the audio.
Let's play it real quick.
Let's just listen to this audio.
This is a press comp.
We don't have the audio.
Okay, well then we'll skip it.
Basically, here's what's going on.
The pro-Second Amendment group...

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are also, I would say, fiscally conservative.
And they're saying, hey, look, they're spending money like drunken sailors, you know, andwe need to, we have an emergency fund, we need to protect and make sure that we're
financially viable and we need to stop spending money on this stuff.
The other side, the left side, the anti-gun side, they're saying, wait, wait, wait, wait,we are, we don't have enough money to do all the stuff we need to, so we're going to raid

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the emergency fund.
And they had, it was actually Tara Lawson-Ramer, who's so extreme on every subject, it'snot even funny.
mean, she is just an absolute extremist in every possible way.
She gave what's called the state of the county, which is like the state, you know how thepresident gives the state of the union?
And her whole speech was, look, there's a lot of money in the county savings account.

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We're gonna go and we're gonna spend the hell out of it.
it.
so they're basically saying hey, we don't have any money for anything so we got to dipinto the emergency funds.
The other side's saying hey, we're starting to run out of money and we're certainly notgoing to hit the, it's not an emergency.
You know, we need to tighten the belt.
We need to look at things.
Now the reason we're talking about this on a gun show is because this isn't stopping themfrom having their gun violence uh prevention, uh you know, crap.

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You know, I don't know if you remember guys, but a few years ago they were doing thisresearch project.
Sandy Gukeni Gunner showed up in mass and pointed out all the things that they weregetting wrong on this survey that they were doing.
Then they made a bunch of recommendations.
One of the big recommendations is, hey, we need an office that will sit around and thinkabout ways to ban your guns.

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And that's not getting defunded.
They're not defunding that.
We have plenty of money to make sure that we infringe on your rights to self-defense.
They're worried about all kinds of other things when they're talking about raiding your...
for
Your savings, you the taxpayer in San Diego, this is your savings account.

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The county savings account is yours.
And they're basically saying, hey, all these extremist views, including uh your right tokeep and bear arms, that extremist view that you have, that you want to defend yourself
from people and exercise a right given to you by nature and nature's guide.
Well, we want to make sure that we go into the emergency fund to fund a project to get ridof that right for you.

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That's the first thing I wanted to bring up.
So we're gonna move on.
Related to that, there was a report and some recommendations by their extremists that,know, their extremist department trying to get rid of your gun rights.
And we wanted to talk about, before I did that, any questions, comments, concerns on thebudget?
No, no, we can get into the gun violence thing.

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Let's get into the gun violence thing.
So I was contacted by a reporter.
There was actually a report produced by this gun violence division of the county that theymiraculously have money for.
And it was kind of interesting.
They basically are giving all kinds of credit.

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know, what happened was they found out that there's been a decrease in homicide.
There's been a decrease in homicide and the reporter who contacted me said hey, what doyou do you what do you think?
You know this gun violence thing this gun violence department that you opposed They werecreated last year.

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They were fully implemented, you know six months ago and miraculously we have this uhReduction in homicide, you know, what do you have to say for yourself?
Well, I said, well, it's wonderful news.
There is a reduction in homicide.
And I'm so glad that they're acknowledging that the expansion of carry permits in SanDiego is doing some good.

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Now they didn't actually, they didn't actually acknowledge that.
But if you look at the last five, six, seven, eight years, in 2017, there were 1,100 CCWsissued.
There are now over 24,000 issued.
Now that means two things.
Number one,
It means that people are able to defend themselves and there are fewer homicides.

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Number two, the whole, you know, blood in the streets, if people are able to carry afirearm, didn't happen.
You know, it didn't turn into the old west and the okay corral.
You know, it turns out there are fewer homicides, you know, either because of CCWs, whichis what I'm pretty positive is happening.

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Or at least, you know, during the same time period where there are CCWs, uh there is
a spike in homicides.
now Dakota you read the report right?
Yeah, do you remember a while ago, I think some of our listeners probably remember thatwe, some of us went to like some libraries and different places around the county that was

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related to this program.
So if you remember like, I went and gave a little two minute speech on a mic about, know,uh
It was about gun violence and a lot of people, San Diego County gun owners members weretalking about how the term gun violence was disingenuous.
um that was related to this program.

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Exactly right.
But yeah, I think there's a lot of interesting things in this study.
The first one is kind of the name of it, right?
So it's called, Annual Report on Gun Violence and Update on Gun Violence Reduction WorkPlan.
Why do we not like the term gun violence,
you
Well, I don't like any violence.

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mean, unless it's violence, uh, you know, in defensive life, uh, you know, nobody likesany violence, but the reason they use gun violence is because they're anti-gun.
They're not anti-violence.
You know, the whole point of this is try to figure out how to reduce gun ownership.
It's not how to reduce violence.
if they were really truly interested in, uh, you know, reducing violence, then they wouldworry about getting rid of professional criminals, you know, figuring out why they become

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professional.
professional criminals, and then making sure to help people have mental health issues sothat they don't commit suicide.
Their own study said that.
That if you look at, from this study, if you look at the people who were killed and a gunwas involved, 70 % of them are suicides, 30 % of them are professional criminals, probably
killing other professional criminals.

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They're not worried about that.
They sent up a, let's figure out ways to restrict your.
uh Your gun ownership.
Now, interestingly enough, they picked the word homicide when we talking about this beforewe went on the air.
They picked the term homicide.
And what's interesting about that is they picked the word homicide because homicide is acompletely neutral term when it comes to motivation.

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If you murder somebody,
It is a that is a subset of homicide, but it murder is ill intent You know you you you'retrying to hurt somebody you're trying to murder somebody you know Homicide could be
justifiable.
It could be self-defense.
It could be Murder it could be you know, basically any time a life is taken.

(01:39:38):
All right, so they purposely picked homicide Because they know that confuses people.
Yeah, and so they could pack their numbers so they could include every kind of death
whether it's hey I was defending myself, whether it's hey, you said they included lawenforcement.
Law enforcement involved shootings is a line item in their homicide table, which it ishomicide, right?

(01:40:05):
If law enforcement takes a life, that is homicide, like if, you know, but I found it veryinteresting that it's in a report about gun violence because why are we conflating the
two?
Are we talking about violence with a firearm?
You know, that term sounds like it means it's a bad thing, but...

(01:40:27):
Some homicides are not necessarily bad things.
Some homicides are self-defense.
Some homicides are defense of a law enforcement officer.
That's not necessarily a bad use of a firearm.
Or at the very least, there is a very different solution to those two issues or problems.
I think the big thing is that they're using the term homicide and Oxford defines it assimply the killing of another, of one person by another.

(01:40:50):
I think by using this term, we know what that means, but I think the population at largeinterprets it differently.
I think they think of it as murder.
I think they equate homicide with murder.
A lot of people that don't really understand the nuances between the two terms.
I think they're using that as leverage.
You think you're exactly right.
And they continually pad their numbers.
They do this all the time.
They do this when they talk about school shootings.

(01:41:13):
They redefine what you and I would think of as a school shooting.
They include those numbers, but then they also include anything close to a school at anytime of day by any person.
When they talk about how kids, the most common...
when it comes to children has to do with firearms, but then they're not talking aboutchildren, they're also talking about adults.

(01:41:37):
They include 18 and 19 year olds, know, and they further pad their numbers to make theirnarrative fit, because the reality is, like we've been saying, the most effective
self-defense tool in existence is a firearm.
It is a better society.
Human beings as a species are better off if we can effectively defend ourselves, so theyhave to go.

(01:41:59):
and lie and make things up and expand and pad their numbers and do all kinds of ridiculousthings when they're trying to take that right away for whatever irrational emotional
reason.
We also see that there's generally not that many homicides in San Diego County.
In 2024, there were 54 firearm-related homicide deaths in the whole county.

(01:42:24):
It's such a tiny, tiny number.
And in this same report, they have a whole section about...
gun buybacks and they have a section about privately made non-serialized firearms.
And it's funny because they're talking about, you know, basically the collection or, youknow, the ghost guns, Like collecting these ghost guns and they talk about percentage of

(01:42:48):
firearm seizures and how many were recovered.
And so like in 2024, that same year where we only had 54 firearm related homicides, theyrecovered 129 privately manufactured firearms.
But nowhere in here does it talk about how many of those firearms were used to commit acrime.

(01:43:08):
So they found them.
This could be, uh let me just give a random example.
uh Older gentleman who doesn't realize the laws have changed and has an un-serializedfirearm in his vehicle that he thinks is completely legal to own or possess or whatever.
The highest uh quantities of these locations that they're finding

(01:43:31):
uh ghost guns is like Ramona, San Marcos, Vista.
If we're thinking about like, you know, NorCal or North County, thinking about a lot ofpeople have land, people probably have hobbies related to firearms more than you might in
like, you know, city area.
Like if you're thinking about San Diego itself, Imperial Beach, we see way less, you know,things like that.

(01:43:55):
ah But when you're thinking about a lot of these people may not have been committing acrime with the firearm,
They just had the firearm found.
Yeah, they're hobbyists that had, that didn't understand the law changes or didn't knowthe laws have changed.
And now they were in possession of a firearm that's illegal for them to possess.
And so it got, you know, recovered.

(01:44:15):
got, it got taken from them, but nowhere in here does it talk about the fact that most ofthose firearms were not being used for the commission of a crime.
And it makes it feel like maybe they're doing some really, really good in the world.
Like, we took so many off the streets.
Were they on the streets?
Were they being, you know, I don't think so because if they could say 129 of these hadbeen used in aggravated assaults and we got all 129, they would have that in the report.

(01:44:44):
But they don't have that in there because they did not actually stop crime from occurringwith these gun buybacks and these firearm seizures.
ah And then, yeah, anyway, they-
Or if it was like a warehouse where they were manufacturing these for, you know, and theypicked up a hundred that would have gone to a gang or something like that.

(01:45:07):
About a year or two before they did the, when people were showing up at libraries and thatsort of thing, like you were talking about.
But a year before that, and during that time, the anti-gunners were saying that there wasan epidemic, an epidemic of gun violence.
And I was like, well, there's not an epidemic of gun violence.
If you live in San Diego, you know that.
Maybe in...

(01:45:27):
certain areas of the country, you could describe it as an epidemic of gun violence, butyou know, it was hyperbole and they were exaggerating.
And then this survey, their survey, by their people, their anti-gun people, you know, cameout and it showed exactly what you just said, that we don't have a lot of shootings.
And I thought, well, there you go.
You know, this isn't the epidemic that you're describing, but that didn't stop them.

(01:45:51):
That didn't stop them.
And I gotta tell you, I won't argue with law enforcement.
If we had a law enforcement officer who came
on here and said, Mike, I got to tell you, man, there are a lot of ghost guns out thereon, you know, the criminals are using.
I'm not going to.
I'm OK.
You know, I won't argue that.
But it's not about the criminals.
When you change the law so that law abiding citizens can no longer be a hobbyist andsafely home manufacture their firearm that has a serial number on it, went through all

(01:46:21):
this, you know, jumped through all the state's hoops, when you've completely eliminatedpeaceable, sane-trained, law abiding people from the ability to do that, you're not
worried about crime.
You're worried about guns.
So I'm not buying that either.
So I'm not saying that ghost guns aren't a problem, but I'm also saying that theirsolutions are completely ridiculous.

(01:46:46):
They have more to do with guns and gun owners than they do with crime.
Yeah, I mean, I'd just like to see the numbers.
Like, how many cases did the district attorney's office prosecute that were specificallyfor ghost guns used in the commission of a violent crime?
Like, they didn't publish that number in here.
Why not?
They talked about kind of general cases and how many misdemeanors they brought againstpeople for, you know, un-serialized firearms.

(01:47:09):
But let's talk about how many of those guns were actually being used for, you know,murder, attempted murder, assault, whatever.
let's see what...
those values are.
And then let's say there, you know, I'll make up a number.
Let's say there were a hundred of those cases.
Are those people being convicted?
Are they now felons?
Are you know, like, are we actually using the current laws we have on the books to punishthe people who are committing these crimes?

(01:47:35):
Or are we just, you know, letting them off on plea deals or, you know, little misdemeanorsor whatever?
Like, are we actually using the existing laws and getting these people
off of the streets.
Is that happening?
Because we can take the guns off the streets, but guess what?
They're just going to get another gun.
Yeah, or commit another crime.
Be violent in a different way.

(01:47:55):
So, yeah, mean, I'd really like to see this report have a little bit more meat in it.
Yeah, I don't really care.
I don't want to say that.
It doesn't, I do care, but it doesn't matter how many criminals are abusing the law.
I don't lose my natural rights because of it.
They need to focus on the right thing.
Leave me alone.

(01:48:15):
That's the same argument for the Glocks.
Amen.
uh
even if you showed me a pie chart and...
You know, when a...
and a lecture and some scientific study or whatever that showed that bad people were doingbad things.
It still doesn't mean I lose my natural rights to keep and bear them.
Okay, let's move on.

(01:48:37):
So there was a declassified report that shows that the Biden administration viewed gunowners as quote, domestic terror threats just for being gun owners.
Now that really is kind of closely tied to what we're just talking about.
By the way, this is from the NSSF, the Firearm Industry.
The gun ah control overreach by the Biden administration was, by all measures, appalling.

(01:49:03):
We've talked a lot about that and he's absolutely right.
It started with President Joe Biden calling the firearm industry, quote unquote, theenemy.
This is from the debate stage and resulted in a whole of government weaponization todecimate the industry, including executive branch overreach to craft criminal law from
thin air.

(01:49:24):
It was infuriating, but it turns out you didn't despise them enough.
Director of national intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard, who under the Trump administrationcurrently, she declassified a Biden administration report called the strategic
implementation plan for countering
domestic terrorism.
The report was for the Biden administration's National Security Strategic ImplementationPlan uh to counter domestic terror.

(01:49:51):
We all wanted to counter domestic terror.
Nobody likes domestic terror.
Let's get rid of domestic terrorists.
However, it was built around four pillars, but the last and final one was and isshockingly disturbing.
The report identified who are, quote, potentially dangerous individuals.
And that finger pointed right at you, according to this article, the law-abiding gunowner.

(01:50:16):
So of the four types of people, the four groups of people that they identified aspotentially dangerous individuals who might commit...
uh
or I don't know.
probably go as far as probably will commit domestic terrorism, gun owners, gun owners wereright in the crosshair, so to speak.

(01:50:37):
So Pillar 4, confront long-term contributors to domestic terrorism, intended impact, let'ssee, lethal means for.
Raaargh!
uh
acts of domestic terrorism are reduced.
Greater rights provided earlier for potential dangerous individuals.
Norms of nonviolent political expression and rejection of racism and bigotry arestrengthened.

(01:51:00):
Americans have increasing faith in democracy and government, increased intervention andcare for those who pose a danger to themselves and others.
Strengthen civic educations that provokes democratic resilience, increased civicengagement to foster social cohesion.
uh So the action uh to accomplish that goal is to rein in the proliferation of quoteunquote ghost guns, encourage state adoption of extreme risk protection orders, which are,

(01:51:33):
that's the new term.
Remember we were talking about a few weeks ago that they're not calling them gun violencerestraining orders anymore, they're calling them extreme risk protection orders.
and drive other executive and legislative action, including banning assault weapons andhigh capacity magazines.
This is how they propose to prevent domestic terrorists.
So if you have a magazine that holds 11 or more rounds, if you have a semi-automaticrifle, if you think there should be due process when someone accuses you of something,

(01:52:06):
you're potentially a domestic terrorist.
And if you have a hobby of making firearms for your own personal use and not for sale,then the Biden administration looked at you as no more than just a potential domestic
terrorist.
I have a question.
Yes, ma'am.
Do they give a definition in these terms?

(01:52:27):
Because if I have a 15 round mag, that's standard capacity.
I don't think I fall into this category of high capacity.
Right.
No, they'll happily define it once it's ready to get voted on, believe me.
Which is like, people like to say, assault weapon, that's not a real term.
And you're absolutely right, it's not a real term.
It's not an industry term.

(01:52:47):
But it is a legal term because they've made it an illegal term.
It's also a pejorative because the only way it's used is not in a positive fashion, it'sused in a negative fashion.
So what are your thoughts on this?
What are your thoughts on how the previous
administration classified document says that you're uh a problem.

(01:53:13):
It's so offensive, know, I mean, offensive isn't even a strong enough word, but it's justso shockingly offensive to say that people who care about their own self-defense in a
country where law enforcement response is very long, right?

(01:53:35):
San Diego, city of San Diego, think PD response time for priority one calls is like over35 minutes, right?
So in the place that I live, there is no one coming to save me except myself, but mewanting to save myself, me wanting to live my life, puts me on the bad list or whatever.

(01:53:56):
I think the Biden administration in a lot of ways was a domestic terrorist.
Well, they're gone, unfortunately.
And attorney general, current attorney general Bondi, you know, I think we're still, I getto say the administration's on the right path and so far she's done some good things, but

(01:54:16):
I still think she's got some stuff to prove.
I'm still waiting for her to screw up, but so far everything's been okay.
Attorney general Bondi has already rolled back the Biden era ATF zero tolerance policy,which was a little more than fast tracking getting
rid of gun dealers.
That's all they were doing.
uh Among the task force's to-do list is a review of the final rules related to pistolbraces and engaged in the business.

(01:54:43):
For too long, Second Amendment, which establishes the fundamental individual right ofAmericans to keep and bear arms, has been treated as a second class right.
This was in the memo from the Attorney General's desk.
More.
It is the policy of this Department of Justice to use its full might to protect the SecondAmendment rights of law-abiding citizens.

(01:55:05):
I love the powerful words.
I hope they continue and turn into powerful actions.
But the stark difference between the Biden administration
saying, you Alicia are probably going to, you're probably a domestic terrorist.
You're about as domestic terrorist as it gets, potentially.
Yeah.
And the fact that we have the Trump administration saying no more.

(01:55:30):
Pretty powerful word.
speaking of powerful words.
I want to go back and revisit for just a moment I know we've talked about it before butit's hitting me differently today than I think it does in the past I'm not sure why go for
it extreme risk protection orders.
They are really I Don't know if I can say bad words It really pisses me off so Be like Imean it does so what this is doing

(01:55:59):
It's almost like putting a label on something that when you answer truthfully, m you're ahorrible person.
Who doesn't want to protect people?
Extreme risk protection orders.
They are using powerful words to invoke fear and to invoke a feeling of where people arelike, you know what, I don't even understand what this or know what it is, but I'm going
to, you know, it sounds like it's a great thing.

(01:56:20):
I don't even need to know about it.
They're using powerful words to fool people and to fool people into a little to wherethey're not going to fight it.
Yeah.
They're also saying things, I mean, I've made this point before with the media, how weshould not just be blindly agreeing with headlines we see because they're often so untrue.
But in this document, the intended impacts, so much of this reads like propaganda.

(01:56:46):
This is a sentence.
Americans have increasing faith in democracy and government.
I feel like I should be, you know, those old cartoons where like they're seeing black andwhite.
dots and they get hypnotized, you know?
I feel like that's the vibe here.
Like, you have increasing faith, you trust your government.
It's like, no, I don't.

(01:57:08):
And I think a lot of Americans don't.
But they put this in here as if it's a fact.
Brain in the proliferation of ghost guns.
What proliferation?
Where is the proof of any of these claims?
Increase intervention and care for those who pose a danger to themselves and others.
Like it sounds great, but what do you mean by increase intervention?

(01:57:28):
What do you mean by increase care?
Strengthen civics education that promotes democratic resiliency.
What kind of education are we going to get?
It feels so much like propaganda to me.
Reject the premise the other thing by the way, I don't trust democracy.
No, that's I love living in a representative constitutional republic You know, so thisthis propaganda towards democracy, you know, I know what they're trying to say, but I know

(01:57:56):
what they're actually saying, know So I'm one of those people gosh.
I'm so domestically terrible
went to school when they actually taught kind of stuff like this in civics.
I don't think the kids are learning this now.
Well, maybe if you'd stop using bad words like pisses people off, we'd have fewerpresidential administrations calling us terrorists, Alicia.

(01:58:19):
Maybe.
All right, what else?
Anything else?
You guys want to touch on anything else?
I think we've nailed everything today.
Yeah.
We've solved all the world's problems.
Made people aware.
Told them what's happening.
Sam got his question right.
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