Not every story needs a protagonist who undergoes a massive, life-altering transformation. Some of the most memorable tales hinge on smaller, quieter shifts, or even on characters who remain steadfast throughout.
In this episode, we'll explore the full spectrum of character arcs:
Big arcs that redefine a protagonist's worldview
Small arcs that mirror the subtle growth we experience every day
Flat arcs where characters stay true but still drive change in others
We'll also talk about how to decide which degree of change best fits your story, why arcs that are mismatched to the plot stakes can leave readers unsatisfied, and how aligning your character's inner journey with your plot creates powerful resonance.
Whether you're writing a standalone novel or a long-running series, understanding the difference between big, small, and Flat Arcs will give you more flexibility (and more power) when crafting your characters' journeys.
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