March 4, 2025 • 53 mins
Dr. Alok Trivedi, known as Dr. Rewire, joined me for an insightful conversation that shifted the way we view traditional healthcare and approaches to personal development. His journey from a busy clinic to a unique focus on rewiring the brain emphasizes how our thoughts influence our health, success, and overall well-being. Dr. Trivedi shared inspiring stories, including his personal challenges and how he overcame them by adjusting his mindset and behavioral patterns.
Dr. Trivedi's Journey
Dr. Trivedi began his career in personal training, physical therapy, and chiropractic school. Although he achieved success, he realized that many of his patients' problems stemmed from their emotions and beliefs. When a recurring patient showed pain relief by simply answering questions about stressors in his life, Dr. Trivedi found his new passion. He transitions from physical treatment to helping clients rewire their brains to address their challenges.
The Power of the Mind
Dr. Trivedi argues that the brain holds the key to controlling physical health. By addressing emotional and mental hurdles, he believes individuals can solve physical pains and achieve personal success. Through his method known as rewiring, Dr. Trivedi shows how changing thought patterns can lead to better health and life situations. One of his clients, an Emmy-winning friend, found renewed success and happiness through Dr. Trivedi's system.
Traditional Goal Setting vs. Neurological Approach
Dr. Trivedi criticizes traditional goal setting, such as SMART goals, for failing to consider the brain's natural processes. He explains that ambitious goals often lead to stress and dissatisfaction. By focusing on smaller, manageable improvements, individuals avoid the neurological rollercoaster of dopamine spikes and crashes. Instead of setting goals that "scare you," Dr. Trivedi promotes sustainable, incremental progress.
Five Pillars of Health
Achieving health and well-being requires more than just physical fitness. Dr. Trivedi emphasizes the importance of five pillars: mind, body, diet, sleep, and wealth. Starting with mental clarity and a balanced diet leads to restful sleep and physical health, ultimately culminating in true wealth—both financial and emotional. He stresses the need to manage stress and maintain balance to prevent chronic health issues.
Personalized Health and the Brain DNA Test
Understanding personal genetics plays a crucial role in optimizing health. Dr. Trivedi offers a Brain DNA test that analyzes an individual's genetic predispositions to various neurotransmitters. This personalized approach helps tailor lifestyle and dietary choices to one's unique genetic code, leading to better health and happiness.
Daily Practices for Balance and Success
Dr. Trivedi advocates for a structured daily routine to ensure a balance between work, personal wellness, and family. Break the day into manageable parts, starting with self-care (mindfulness, exercise), work, family time, and finally, some personal downtime. This routine helps regulate stress levels and keeps the mind focused and calm.
In closing, Dr. Trivedi imparts that rewiring the brain is a viable path to personal transformation, allowing us to control emotions, reduce stress, and lead healthier, more fulfilling lives.
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What if I told you that yourbrain actually holds the key to
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any kind of breakthrough thatyou're trying to get through?
Any ceiling you keep hittingin business, in life,
whatever it is today In thisepisode, I'm talking with Dr.
Aok ti.
He goes by Dr. Rewire.
And you'll see, becauseeverything he does is
definitely not conventional.
And, uh, you know, he's done theconventional work as a doctor,
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as a practitioner, hands on.
He's worked with so many folks, andwe'll get into his background, but
also we'll get into his approach.
It's not conventional.
He basically flipseverything on its head.
And how he approaches people andhow to shift your way of thinking
in the way of your reality.
Essentially, in literallyminutes, he actually walks
through how to do it on thisepisode so you can start tapping
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into your unlocked potential.
It's kind of exciting, right?
I think you're gonna dig it.
I love this episode, sogo jump in and follow Dr.
Rewire after this episode.
He's gonna give youa lot of cool tips.
Let's go.
Dr. Rewire, Mr. Dr. Alo.
Trutti.
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Uh, it's great tohave you here, man.
And, um, I mean the, the work thatyou've done just from my research is
incredible and I think it's flippingthe whole concept of, uh, just.
How we're, well, Dr. Rewire,you named that for a reason.
So I wanna, I wanna learn about,you know, where you came from,
which I know is in more ofthe clinical setting, right?
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Like it's helpingwhat you're serving.
1200 I think patients,what, uh, was it?
Week per
A week.
Yeah.
It was, yes, per week.
It was
But there was a flip there.
So I'm like, I'm verycurious of like, what was
this epiphany that happened?
And walk me through, youknow, because you're all
about human behavior.
And, and optimizing that.
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So I guess set the scene andthen I would love to hear
what that epiphany moment was.
Yeah, I think for me, so I'vealways asked the question, the one
question I've always asked is, whatcontrols that in the human body?
And that's, that's probablya perfect place to really
start the conversation.
You know, I studied personaltraining and exercise and
then I went on into personaldevelopment, excuse me,
personal into physical therapy.
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And I struggled in physical therapy,ended up gonna chiropractic school.
Long story short, I figuredthat the muscles were
controlled by the nerves.
The nerves were controlledby the brain, and then
what controlled the brain?
So I just kept on going down thispath of continued exploration,
and I was fortunate enough tobuild one of the largest practices
in the country, if not theworld at the time, and in it.
But I just kept on findingwhat's the root cause of
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someone's problem, right?
And I remember this case I hadone time, gentleman comes in on
the third of every month, why?
Every month he comes in and says,you know what, I've got this doc.
I got this back pain.
I got this back pain.
I said, why are you comingin the third of every month?
He's like, I don't know.
I said, when did it start?
He said, it started last night.
What were you doing?
I was talking with the wife and Isaid, what were you talking about?
How are we gonna makethe mortgage payment?
Mm.
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And I said, that's interesting.
And I said, you know what?
Today I'm not gonna touch you.
I'm not gonna do anything with you.
All I wanna do today is I justwanna ask you some questions,
see if I can rebalance the brain.
And I did.
80, 80% of his pain was gone in10 minutes of asking questions.
And then I went on to sayhe came back the next day.
And I asked him some morequestions, cleared it, it was gone.
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Then I didn't see him for sixmonths and I said, what happened?
He goes, I don't know, doc.
He goes, I haven't had any pain.
Every and money started to showup and income started to show up.
And all of a sudden in my clinic,I started seeing more patients.
I started getting people saying,you know, do, do the que do the
brain thing that you do, doc.
I wanna do that.
I don't, I don't wantto do the symptom thing.
And long story short, so Icontinued doing that, started
working with athletes, CEOs,celebrities, and all that space.
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And then I wentthrough my own divorce.
Hmm.
And in my divorce, I, longstory short, I tried to get,
I was stuck with no money.
I was doing intermittent fastingbecause it, before it was a thing
because I had no money, likeliterally had a lemon to eat.
And I ended up basically figuringout the process to rewire.
Long story short, I, I rewired andI figured out that I'd created a
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belief in my brain that you couldhave love or money, but not both.
Ah, yes.
Yep.
And I went nine monthswithout making any money
or any revenue in my life.
That night, I figured it out,I rewired it, and then three
days later I made 175,000 bucks.
Two days later afterthat, I rewired some more.
I made a hundred thousand dollars.
Two days later I made 80,000.
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These are all in sales and deals andum, I said there's something to this
thing that's even deeper and richer.
And so I spent the better partof the next year, two years
of my life, and still to thisday, to be honest with you,
continuing to rewire my brain.
I. And at the same time, not onlyhave I made more money, empowered
my own life, freed myself fromall these voices in my head and
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made myself lose weight, stoppeddrinking or minimize drinking,
stopped smoking, lost 50 poundsin the process, and took charge
and empowered of my life.
Yeah, I believe you can havesuccess and fulfillment and there's
a path to do it that createdthat science to be able to get.
Okay.
Wow.
So that's a shift.
I mean, that is not the commonapproach for any kind of clinical
healthcare, chiropractic, whatever.
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You have.
What, what have you.
I mean, I know I've experiencedback pain and, you know, gone
to chiropractic and that wholething, you know, upper back pain.
Everybody has their own part, I feel
sure.
Yeah,
held.
And, um, it wasn't working.
Like if it would work a littlebit feel great, but it was like,
why the hell is it still achy?
And I think I came tomy own conclusions.
Again, it was very emotionally tiedsomehow to a meaning, you know, a
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belief said, and that's exactly whatyou found it sounds like, and then
replicated that beyond just yourselfor, or someone else, you know?
Yeah.
I wanted to createa system, right Joe?
I wanted to create a system thatsomeone could literally, and I
didn't do it for anybody else.
I did it for my own kids, right?
I'd love to sit on thisaltruist human being that
I want to better the world.
I do.
I do wanna better theworld, but you know what?
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I'm a dad first.
Cool.
And I wanted to give, I wantedto give my kids the blueprint of
life, you know, not to go off ofBrian Johnson and his blueprint.
Like what's theblueprint of the mind?
Yeah.
Yep.
What's the blueprint of the mind?
And, and I said, if I canteach my kids how to think,
I've done my job as a dad.
And in that process, I'vehad a chance of not only just
created for my kids, but workwith celebrities who help.
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You know, who win more Emmys,um, with Daymond John and golfers
and all these cool people andcool stories that they come
to me and they say, I'm stuck.
I can't get ahead.
Help me, help me unblockthis, and things just open up.
So that's kinda what I've been able
That's, it is incredible man.
And that shift.
Thanks for sharing that moment.
'cause I feel, I always feellike there's that moment where
it's just that aha moment and.
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It was cool that itwas with someone else.
It wasn't just yourself, but yousaw for externally this massive
change happen and, and thenyou were able to replicate it.
I, I believe it was a, anOlympian, if I'm not mistaken,
you did this rewire in less thanlike four minutes or something.
And I don't know if that's story,like, I'm curious if you could share
a story like this or maybe withthat person or, or someone else.
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That just shows how fast youcan flip something, you know,
maybe a deep held belief.
Yeah.
There's so many, I mean,literally can take me a minute
to two minutes to three minutesto be able to rewire someone.
The fastest I've ever done isI've taken a lady who depression.
I. Seven seconds later, sheno longer had depression
Oh my gosh.
seven seconds later because it'sabout rebalancing the brain, right?
So when you help get the brainto where it's supposed to
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be, we are able to function.
The body is a beautiful mechanism.
We just don't use it the waythat it's designed to be used.
Right.
And so just to, and like I,I mean, I'm thinking of my
friend now who, who's, uh,he's got four Emmy awards.
He was, had two, was stuck,couldn't get anymore.
I rewired him in 10 minutesand unlocked the thing that was
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holding back and then went on towin two more Remys, and I think
he's in the running for anotherone here, um, this year as well.
So like you are that like there'sa path to be able to create this.
And as entrepreneurs in thisaudience, especially, most
people think you're, theproblem is your failures, right?
That that's not the problem.
The problem is the successes.
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You don't hit the lower limit.
As gay Hendricks used tosay, there's an upper limit.
And that upper limitis based on the brain.
It's based on dopamine.
It's based on your, your neurology.
And then when we find it, we canactually govern that whole thing
and control the whole mechanism.
Wow.
and it's a science, it's, and I'vecreated an actual science you could
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do, it's not arbitrary anymore.
Yeah.
Well, and like you said, gayHendricks, the upper limit problem.
Yeah.
Remember that from the Big Leap
Yeah.
That's right.
That's right.
Yeah.
When you, when you start tothink of it and frame it in that
way, you're like, holy shit.
Yeah, I'm, I'm actually you,you get confined to whatever
that upper limit that we setfor ourselves, if it's conscious
or not, it's subconscious.
It is right then if we're justtalking about gay Hendrix, like,
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um, he talks about the upperlimit and then you fall and
then people call that limit.
Okay, let's just say it's 10million in business, right?
Let's just say you get to 10million, that was my upper
limit, and then you fall backto 3 million, let's say for.
Right, and they're like,well, what happened?
That $7 million gap is the gap thatnow will cause you more anguish,
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pain, guilt, shame, resentment,frustration within yourself that,
and it's costing you literally $7million a year not to fix the brain.
Man.
Okay.
It's costing you that.
Yeah.
But we think it's self-sabotage.
It's not self-sabotage, it'sunderstanding the upper limit.
'cause water sees its own level,your brain finds its own level,
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that it matches your identity,your frequency, your nerves.
All these things come togetherand say, this is the ideal level.
So you'll sit at three, 3million and that's what you do.
And then you get pissed offand why can't I get to 10?
Why can't I get to 10?
And then we go through these cycles.
We do it for three years,and we get frustrated.
Then we get, we getstop setting goals.
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And by the seventh year we getthis seven year itch and we wanna
get the hell outta the business.
we bring, you bring up goals.
'cause that was actually one ofthe things I have on my list,
uh, uh, little topics here and.
I, I wanna get yourthoughts on goals.
So like, you have things like smartgoals, you know that everyone's
heard of that a lot of, um, I readsome stat that 97% of the Fortune
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500 companies are, use smartgoals, or at least somehow claim
that that's, that's the thing.
But, um, I think you've saidis traditional goal setting is
just, it's, it's flawed, youknow, there's, it's not correct.
So I'd love to hearyour stance on that.
And.
And how that also relates to,uh, like dopamine, the actual
chemicals inside of us and how thatcan just totally throw everything
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Okay, so for the record, if anyonelistens to this podcast, you took
me down the neurology path here.
So I'm gonna geekout now if that's all
it, please.
This is on you.
I'll take it.
Um, so what happens is when we seta goal, we set up dopamine pathways.
And we sit and say, let's just use10 million as a round number in
this, for this audience, right?
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Or even a million.
If you think what?
Whatever you think is the rightnumber, let's just use 10.
Um, so you say, okay, I'mgonna go hit a goal of 10
million in my business.
I wanna go after that.
What do you gotta do?
What do you gottamap that zero to 10?
Wherever you're at, let's say it'sat 2 million, 5 million, 7 million,
that delta creates a dopamine spike.
Mm-hmm.
Now what's gonna happen is this,is that if you don't hit 10 million
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on that goal and you hit 9 million.
You now have anger and frustrationbecause now you're gonna fall
back down because if thisdopamine goes up, the other side
of dopamine is something callednorepinephrine and epinephrine.
Mm-hmm.
And these are what's knownas catecholamines, which are
stress neurotransmitters.
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Okay, these aresympathetic to the body.
They release cortisol, adrenalglands, burnout, fatigue in the
body, exhaustion, high bloodpressure, insulin resistance,
blood, uh, pre-diabetes.
All this stuff comes from this.
So when I say goal settingis flawed and antiquated, it
is because we're not managingour emotions around the goal.
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So dopamine goes up and spikes,and then what happens is if we
don't hit that goal, we crash.
A bigger problem becomesif you do hit the goal,
Hmm.
The bigger problem.
the bigger problem comesif you do hit the goal
Okay.
you hit that spike and nowall of a sudden you now
become addicted to that spike.
Because you achieve that thing,you're like, okay, well I
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could do anything then, huh?
it again.
I could do it again.
And so what we do is weset then bigger goals.
And then we set bigger goals.
I know the worldsays, you know what?
Set goals so big that,that they'll scare you.
That is complete nonsense.
That is nothing but nonsense.
If you set a goal that scares you,you now have to go through agony
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and pain to try and get there.
The brain doesn't worktowards agony and pain.
The brain moves into pleasureand what we've done in personal
development and that for the last,and I've wor studied with the best.
I've had 130 mentors over my career,and what we've said is that, you
know, the the fear, you just gottacross on the other side of the fear.
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No, no, you don't.
You're never gonnalive without fear.
What you have to do is managethe fear that you have.
So our brain is designed tosit and say, you know what?
I can set these goals,but I can actually set
'em on 10% trajectories.
Okay.
Manageable.
Manageable.
So I'll use an example.
How do you triple your business?
Now, this is not my,this is not mine.
This is a j Abraham thing, right?
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J Abraham.
You increase 10% in onecategory in your new clients,
10% in your retention, and10% in another category.
Those are manageable tacticsin business that your brain can
sit and say, I can manage thatrather than the large number.
And according to Jay Abraham, right?
Like, you can now tripleyour business because.
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To that.
Sure.
Leverage and it hascompounding effects throughout.
Yeah.
Completely correct.
And now what we've done iswe've managed the emotions.
Dopamine stays regulated and youdon't create blood sugar imbalance.
'cause if dopamine goesup, so does blood sugar.
Mm-hmm.
If dopamine crashes, sodoes your blood sugar.
It follows the same trend, right?
what's, what's the, what's thehealth effects of that blood sugar?
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Just really quick, like
yes, yes.
The more spikes we create in ourblood sugar, the more insulin
resistance we create over time.
And insulin resistanceleads to diabetes,
Mm-hmm.
so that leads to highblood pressure problems.
Sleeping, brain fogcan't get clarity.
You wake up in the morning, Ican't think like a lot of, and
maybe your group doesn't, but alot of entrepreneurs like, man,
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I just need a drink to chill out.
I need a, I need a tequilato call out at night.
And like we do all these things assuppressors to our body, rather than
understanding as an entrepreneur,we have to learn to manage.
We have to learn to manage oursystem and, and so that being
the case, we then create allthis illness on the back end.
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Your adrenal fatigue kicksin, cortisol spikes, and
cortisol is the hormone.
Then in essence isthe stress hormone.
Right.
It's stress.
And so if we have stress,our body doesn't work.
It's like fight or flight.
Right.
Complete fire flight.
Thank you.
Yeah.
Always on.
And chronic stress leadsto chronic inflammation.
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Which is the source of all disease
All disease comes fromchronic inflammation.
Right?
Yeah.
Right.
And, and I'll say it to bepolitically correct in case
anyone wants to, you know,social media, me, it's, uh,
99% of it all comes from it.
Okay.
Fair.
For the record of that.
Right.
But if we then look at it, andthen as entrepreneurs and I,
and this is my, my goal to helpentrepreneurs wake up to this
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is saying, Hey, look, I got it.
You have to have health, you haveto have these five pillars of
health that, that I talk about.
You have to have an unshakable mind.
You have to have anunshakeable body.
You have to have an unshakablediet, and then you have to
have unshakable sleep, and youhave to have unshakable wealth.
But most of us are chasing thiswealth game, losing our mind,
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losing our body, not knowingwhat to eat, to regulate it for
ourselves, and we don't get thesleep that we need to recover.
So then how are you gonnaget any kind of wealth?
How are you define that wealth?
It could be the money or it couldjust be what fulfillment, you know,
wholeness, uh, break down the fivepillars even more because, uh.
I, I'm, and I want to place, I don'tknow, maybe we could think of like,
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when you're working with someoneinitially, you know, someone that
is wide open on the cortisol, youknow, they're chasing these goals.
They've already had some prettygood achievements, but they're
just, you know, they're in aslump and they're coming to you.
Like, how, how do you approach them?
Well, first thing I do is Ido a brain DNA test, right?
I, I've created the brain DNAtest where we look at your actual
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DNA, and we do a cheek swab, sendin the cheek swab, and then from
that cheek swab we're able to see.
Seven SNPs that controlthe five neurotransmitters,
dopamine, serotonin, oxytocin,norepinephrine, epinephrine.
And we're able to see howyour body responds to these.
So for example, someone who'sgot a high or a low comp T
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Mm-hmm.
gene variable is gonna have a lotof dopamine in their system and a
lot of serotonin in their brain.
Joe is gonna be ping, ping,ping, ping, ping, ping.
They have like 40 tabsopen on their computer.
And they can process it all, butthen when it comes time to go to
bed at night, they can't recover.
Ah.
Right.
Problem is that person's also wakingup in the morning having a cup of
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Java Joe and saying, you know what?
I need this to wake up.
No, no, no.
That's a mistake for that person.
Then what we've gotta do is we'vegotta actually figure out, 'cause
everybody has a code, I like to say.
Say you have to know your code.
Once you get your code, thenyou have to create a system
that works for you to get that.
Yeah.
Then we have to rewire thatso that everything you're
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doing is matching your code.
Then it makes sense.
Another example, like someone likethat, you know, like there's this
big thing in the market, right?
It's for entrepreneurs nottotally contradict with
this crap that's out there.
Everyone, you know, in orderto get healthy, everyone needs
to cold plunge every day.
Right, the trend.
That's just crap advice.
That's
Why?
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Why?
Why would you say that's crap?
Because what happens is that whenyou're cold plunging every day,
and let's say your body makes toomuch dopamine, you have too much
dopamine in the system as it is,you go in there, you spike your,
your norepinephrine dopaminelevels that now stays in your
system, that now creates cortisolresponse and stress response,
True.
Okay.
Yeah.
The opposite of probablywhat you're, you're,
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opposite of whatyou're trying to do.
yeah.
So we have these blanketstatements in health and biohacking
that are just as dangerousas the the abuse of medicine
Mm-hmm.
that that's just not accurate.
How about the opposite?
Because you know, you havethings like sauna, you know,
and, and like, what would yousay on that kind of the total
opposite side of that spectrum?
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I think.
I think it's valuable, right?
But I think you've gottafind out your code to make
sure that you can do it.
Because Absolutely.
Do I have a sauna?
I have a coal plunge.
Absolutely I do.
Right?
There's, I'm not sayingit's not beneficial.
I'll give you an example.
I'm the perfect example of that.
So I have a coal plunge andI'm just like everyone else,
I'm like, okay, I gotta bedisciplined, be all you can be.
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And you know, the, the wholelike breakthrough walls,
entrepreneurial crap that we say to
sure.
Yeah.
And um, then I went and did my owngene test and, and it said in my
gene test, it said, you know what?
I don't process the cold that well.
Hmm.
Wow,
I live in between
cause more stressors.
Right.
That causes me stress.
So now that causes me stress.
So I go into that cold plungeat 45 degrees, six minutes a day
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because that's what they've saidon social media is healthy for me.
Now all of a sudden, I go intothis thing and I'm causing
more stress on my body.
Cortisol is going up,stress response is going up.
Insulin then goes up,blood pressure goes up.
It doesn't go down.
So instead I said, you know what?
Okay, I got it.
This is a moderation game for me.
So I go in, I turn it up to 52, 53degrees, and then I go in for three
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minutes, two to three times a week.
I like that.
Okay.
Moderation.
Look
There's a moderation game.
No one's talking.
I've never heard anybody say that.
Like How about we justgo a little warmer?
Just a little bit For shorter?
Yeah.
Uh
Entrepreneurs have this,and our brains are designed
to go for all or none.
mm-hmm.
That's right.
Well, that's honestly, it's what themedia's gonna pick up anyway, right?
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So it's
It is.
And that's what we lookat and we say, okay, I
gotta go all in or none.
And we, we listen to thesepeople who are out there
saying, we go all or none,and that's all we have to do.
And that's not reallyaccurate because our health
and body is breaking down.
Mm-hmm.
And as entrepreneurswe have to look at it.
If we're the leaders ofsociety, then we have to ask
ourself a different question.
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How are we leading?
Mm-hmm.
We have to ask ourselvesa different question.
Are we being the part thatyou would want your child
to be burned out, exhausted?
Truth, and, and you know what?
Not the crap that you put on onyour social media, the true answers
that you look inside of your head.
Are you pumping yourself withTRT that makes sales and get
yourself through the day?
Because that's a symptomthat you're looking at.
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Why not raise your testosteroneby getting your brain awake
inspired, getting yourself alignedcorrectly and getting your body
in the right ho optimal state.
And function at a wholedifferent level rather than just
injecting ourselves all day long.
And I see this all day longand, and um, and we're causing
more illness than we areactually breeding health.
So you mentioned TRT, youknow, testosterone, uh,
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hormone replacement therapy.
It is very trendy becauseI think, and you know, I
think it's word of mouth.
You, you see a lot ofentrepreneurs doing it.
I have not done it, but I knowa lot of people who have, I've
had the blood tests where, whereit led me to almost to the cusp.
I was like, eh.
So I guess maybe, yeah, talk about.
That, like that plus maybe some ofthese other things that might be
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common that are detrimental, moredetrimental than anyone believes or
A hundred percent.
So let's talk about TRT.
It's a great one, right?
And, and, and many of the malesout there, we talk about this, you
know, it's an epi epidemic acrossthe world that male TRT is low.
Absolutely, it is.
Let, let me ask you a question.
What is also anepidemic in our society?
Chronic stress.
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Chronic stress willdrop your TRT levels.
As an entrepreneur, you'rechronically under stress.
And you are working and you'reburned out, you're tired,
you're fatigued, your brain,you don't know what the code
is because what happens?
Let me bear with myscience mind for a minute.
Your brain createsthese neurotransmitters.
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These neurotransmitters thencommunicate and create hormones.
Mm-hmm.
So the way that your brain createsneurotransmitters determines
the hormones in your brain.
Body.
Makes sense, Uhhuh?
So if you're not inspired by thechallenges you have, if you feel
frustrated, burned out, tired, andyou gotta go to work and work feels
like a grind and you gotta grindit up more and more and more, you
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are burning out your testosterone,
Yes.
Okay.
you are burning outyour testosterone,
breaking down your body.
And instead of saying, okay,how do I rewire this so that
it's not burning me down?
How do I, how do I buildmy own testosterone?
'cause you can.
You a hundred percent can, butit's the way that you think and
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the way that your brain codeis set up that's creating these
imbalances in neurotransmittersthat are causing you to burn out
physically with this testosterone.
And so
Yeah,
is there a time for it?
Absolutely.
I'm not taking away from that.
That's not my point.
Is it being overly abused?
In my opinion, it's.
Got it.
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How, I guess just to close theloop, because I'm sure people
are wondering, and I am too.
How do you grow or buildyour own testosterone?
So you set goals that arestrategic, that are truly
inspirational to you, that reallymean the most to you, right?
Right now, in the entrepreneurialmarket, everything is about an exit.
Everyone's talking about exit.
There's so much moneyin private equity.
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Okay, good.
What does that mean?
You know, truthfully,what I've found is that.
People who exit theircompanies come to me most
depressed than ever before.
that's a very common thing.
I was just doing anothershow earlier, uh,
yesterday, same exact thing.
Never met someone who'smade it rich, wealthy,
whatever, and super happy.
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You know, it's, it's just,or if there are, they're
very few and far between.
You know what I've found overthe years, in all the cases,
all the experience, whatI've found is an inspired
entrepreneur builds a businessthat they never want to sell.
Dan Sullivan talked to me.
Like
that's right.
Yep.
Right.
And I, I believe DanSullivan is the OG of OGs
and in business consulting,
I mean, he is what, in his eightiesnow, so, and he's still rocking.
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yeah, I've never been, I justread his books and I've just
watched some of his interviewsand so I've never been a client
of visit or any of that capacity.
But I think just thatmindset, when I heard that
I guy, I said, this guy gets
it's true.
Yeah, he does.
completely.
And so you build a business thatyou never wanna sell, but you build
it in the way that you can sell.
So that's where you create thesystem behind it, but you build it
because you love to serve people.
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And when you serve people,you'll get up every morning
with a value of what you do.
You'll have a, an inspirationto wake up and get up and
do something in the world.
But if you say, you know what?
I did all this for money.
I've not found many peoplethat actually truly sit
and say, you know what?
My number one value is money.
'cause once they get money,then they'll lead the path of
debauchery and they'll find waysto destroy and lose that money.
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Mm-hmm.
And then the cycle continuesor probably is way worse.
Yeah.
now.
They fall.
They say, well, you know what,I've got money so I'm not,
um, I'm not stressed that way.
But they got no fulfillment, nojoy, no, no inspiration in the game.
And that's why I say you canhave success and fulfillment.
There is a path tohaving both, for sure.
Got it.
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Well, so, and this goesback to the five pillars of
health that you speak about.
It.
I feel like, I dunno, you correct meif I'm wrong, if I'm wrong, there's
probably not a sequence to it.
Maybe you have one.
But I feel like yeah, if there'san imbalance in wealth, you
know, that could lead to otherimbalances, maybe bo mind, body,
sleep, whatever it might be.
But I'm curious if you could justbreak down how you think about
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the pillars of health and, andso we can all kind of grasp it
For sure, right?
Sleep is essentially important,but here's what I found.
I, I come from a mindfirst approach to health.
Care
Okay.
' cause the brain controlsevery single cell tissue
and organ in the body.
And how we think controls everycell tissue or organ in the body.
They have shown, theyhave shown proof in data.
And I've done thisexperiment myself.
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Go to the gym and do bicepcurls and take yourself to
the last rep, maybe doing 10.
You know, the 10th rep gets superangry and think of something super
negative that pisses you off.
Hmm.
That 10th 11th rep isgonna become super hard.
It's gonna be hardto finish that rep.
Yeah.
Now think about the thingthat you love and inspire,
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that you want to do the most.
You'll get two or three morereps outta yourself in that.
' cause your brain will movetowards what it is you really
want, if it inspires you.
Interesting.
It's really interesting.
So what we have to do is, I, I,I say, get the mind clear first.
Right.
Rewire the brain.
Get yourself, know who you are.
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Know your values.
Know your identity.
Know why you're doing whatyou're doing and link everything
in your life, every emotion,everything to that mind.
'cause once the mind gets calm,then the body gets cleared.
Now you reduce the cortisol.
Now you reduce the theblood sugar problem.
Now you get rolling hills.
As our, my friend Gary said, youget proper rolling hills that
then spikes in blood sugar, right?
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Yeah.
Yeah.
Then you say, okay,now what do I eat?
Then you gotta look at, okay, nowwe gotta control the diet so we
don't spike these blood sugars.
And then, then once thosethings come into place,
sleep falls itself right in
Hmm.
Makes sense.
'cause your body's gonna want it andso your diet is gonna fit with it.
Yeah, exactly.
And then watch your wealth explode.
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Watch your wealthexplode at that point.
Hmm.
But I will say.
That if, you know, if you'relistening to this and saying,
you know what, doc, that makessense, but you know what,
I'm, I'm just trying to figureout how to pay my bills.
I'm trying to get through the date.
I get it.
I completely get it right.
And, and I've been there,so I, I empathize with you.
But at the same token, whatI'm saying is that what you've
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gotta do is learn to kind ofmix both of them into the game.
Don't neglect the health whileyou're trying to build wealth
Mm-hmm.
until you can fully sitand say, you know what?
I can spend the first3, 4, 5 hours of my day.
In my own state to go workfour to six hours if you want
to, and then come back andspend time with the family.
I think if you structure yourday that way, I like the way
Ed Millet sometimes explain.
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I think I heard himsay this one time.
He said he structure, hestructures his day in in
threes, in chunks of three I.
I kind of like that.
I kind of like that, that idea.
I get up in the morning, sixo'clock, six to 10 is my time.
Yeah.
That's my time.
Like that's my workout, that'smy training, that's my rewiring.
That's my reading.
That's, that's me,that's my learning time.
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So I spent four hours there,and then I go, okay, 10 o'clock,
I'll do my first meeting, andI work till about four, right?
10 to four, six hours, unlessI'm actually doing a seminar
or something like that, right.
Then it's a, it's afull different game.
So I'll work six hours inthere and then four o'clock
I'm like, I'm done, I'm done.
I go back to the gym.
So I do two workouts a dayand I go back to the gym.
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In that I'll do a, uh, I'll dolike a little like cardio or
something, get the body bloodmoving, get my steps in, and
then five o'clock it's like, allright, son's got a soccer game
or some activity, family dinner.
And then I do, man, I'm gonna saysomething that every entrepreneur's
gonna sit and say, no, you can't.
I like to sit at the end ofthe day and watch a little tv.
How dare you?
I know
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Geez.
I like to do it.
I watch Modern Family andLife in pieces, and I love it.
Modern family's awesome.
Yeah.
I was gonna ask you.
Okay.
What are you watching?
yeah.
Even better.
Okay.
Modern family.
Yeah.
Love it.
Uh, so I, I have a couplethings that came to mind as
you're walking through this.
So, obviously the five pillarsof health is sequential, starting
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with the mind, at least in theway you say it, and I fully
believe that's true as well.
A couple things thatcome to mind, like.
And I wanna ask you aboutsome of the specifics to keep
those rolling hills going.
Going, as Gary Breca
sure.
Yeah.
Yeah.
uh, like breath work for me, Ifound all the way from Wim Hoff,
which is pretty aggressive to thingsthat are more intentional, but can
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still get very similar results.
Um, or going into pushups like WimHof, you know, do 40 whatever, you
know, inhale, exhales, and then,you know, do the whole routine.
And then start just like crankingas many pushups as he can.
And I'm sure with even a morepositive mental picture of
whatever you're going for.
But I've always found I coulddo way more, you know, like
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a good extra 10, maybe more.
Um, and I'm sure that relates to,'cause you're clear in your mind
you're, we're you're settling thebrain, or sorry, the body and the
brain, uh, through the breath work.
So like would a mechanism likethat be helpful or is that
something that you use yourself?
Yeah, I love breath work.
I completely lovebreath work, right?
I'm an Indian guy, so like breathwork and yoga is like, that's
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what we grew, we grew up with.
So I'm totally in for.
And I think oxygen and Gary isso dead on the money when he says
presence of oxygen is the absenceof disease, he's dead on the money.
The rewiring work we dois about bringing oxygen
to cells that need it.
Right.
And when he saw me rewiresomeone, he is like,
doc, how did you do that?
He's like, he's seen me do it.
If you go to my Instagram,you'll see his testimony.
He is like, I've neverseen anything like that.
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And Gary's great andhe's right with that.
And what we've gotta dois put push more oxygen.
So breath work is helpingoxygen get to the system.
Absolutely.
Now I will.
You know, Wim Hof has so manystudies that I've done on him
and that are, that are completelywild as story and testimony
Injected, uh, whate coli and all that.
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Yeah.
All this stuff, absolutelyridiculous, right?
So I'm not going to sayanything against it 'cause
I can't speak to that.
But I will go back to, to myroots and say, breathwork in
the eastern world has beenaround for millennials, right?
Centuries.
And what has been taught, whatI've learned is that if you're
doing the deep aggressive breath.
And you're doing that heavy breath.
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Sure.
It's stimulating thesympathetic nervous system.
Right?
The short inhalation is aboutyour sympathetic nervous system,
and the exhalation is about yourparasympathetic, which is your
relaxed part of the nervous system.
So fight or flight when youtake in and when you exhale.
It's about relaxing andbasically, uh, rest and digest.
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And what I've always taught,I've taught my patients for
almost 25 years now, is takea deep breath in for seven.
Hold it for seven andrelease it for seven,
Okay.
Every, even everything's even.
even it up, because what youdo is that you activate the
sympathetic nervous system.
You now put that oxygen.
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That oxygen now forces itselfinto cells, and then you relax
for seven, and then you get thecarbon dioxide and that out of
the system, and the body gets ridof that and it re resets itself.
What we want is theoptimized state is not more.
Or less.
It's balanced.
It's systematic.
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It's unshakeable.
Unshakeable is balanced,and so breath work, I call
it unshakeable breath work.
Yeah.
Okay, cool.
Yeah, I gotta, Igotta check into that.
I love it.
And I found as I eased down,'cause I was all about the
Wim h for a while and I'msure it's partially marketing.
Um, it is great.
But it introduced me andI know a lot of others to
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breath work and things likeyou said, and the eastern way
of being and, and everything.
I like, I have a bunch ofIndian friends and I've no.
Breath work's been around forever.
Yoga, these, these veryintentional, all the way back
to the whole inflammation.
Ayurveda, you know, it's likeit's all tied in together.
Yeah.
It's all tied in.
You know, I've been, I've, I'm,I've a geek when it comes to health.
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My, you know, my family and everyoneknows like, what do I study?
I study health.
Sure.
I pretend like I'm an entrepreneur,like maybe a lot of your
audience, but I'm really a doctor.
Like I love healing, like, and Ihave a business in healing, right?
So that, like, that's what I do.
But at the end of theday, I'm a doctor.
So I've studied Ayurveda, I'vestudied functional medicine,
I've studied all of these thingsto create, look at what, what?
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I don't know thatthere's a best system.
What I've said is that how dowe take all of these systems
and make it the best for you?
Mm-hmm.
You see what I'm saying?
All the way back to thebrain DNA test, which
All the way back to the brain.
DNA test.
If someone has, so some, someonewho has high amounts of MAOA
or looks low amounts of MAOA isgonna be known as a warrior gene,
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Mm-hmm.
Yes.
right?
So what do they need that yougive them more pump up of oxygen,
fire 'em up with more oxygen,they're gonna be more awake.
That's gonna make thedopamine go higher.
Serotonin's gonna go higher,and they're gonna go and say,
I'm unstoppable to everything.
But then they're gonna crash.
That person at night is gonnasit and say, I am drained.
And they go all or none.
All or none.
There's no grounding middlespace for that person.
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Or is there, like, isthere another approach?
Like what would youUm, um, gotta be.
There is, of course there is, right.
I'm saying, but like the waythat they live now, of course
yeah.
That's the now way.
Okay.
Gotcha.
But, but then we would rewiretheir brain to be able to
regulate that number one.
Then I'd get breath work into it.
I would not have them do crazyheavy lifting all the time.
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Light low rep liftingwould be a completely
different answer for them.
Instead of saying, you knowwhat, let me go pump up.
You know, ever the max reps, allI can do, you know what if I take
you to 25 reps at a lower, you'regonna burn out that dopamine.
You're gonna burn out that serotoninand it's excess in your body.
Yeah.
Interesting.
Okay.
And that probably, you know, likeyou said, you work out twice a day.
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I know a lot of people aren'teven working out once, but
workout y'all do something.
But, uh, you know, like you couldhave a whole different workout,
I'm assuming in the morning.
Maybe that's more of a pump up, araise up, and uh, and then one in
the evening or later in the dayto, I'm assuming, depending on who
you are, you know, maybe that's themore calm, mindful way of working
out whatever that looks like.
(35:38):
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
I. Depending on you, right?
Like it's, we are in an era,obviously now with, um, brain
test, or excuse me, withpersonalized medicine being
so on the front forefront.
We now, we now have to createa personalized psychology.
We can't just say we, we followall humans function the same way.
That's just not true.
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Yeah, that's not true at all.
And I mean immediately, 'cause Ido a lot of stuff in AI and now,
you know, we all have access topretty much all the information.
Whenever are you leveraging ai orat least the idea of like, okay,
we have all these results now howdo we make you the absolute best?
I'm just, you know, with thestudies and everything that you
know about in your own practice.
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I don't, I'm not in practiceanymore, so I don't, I don't
have a brick and mortar.
I got through my brick andmortar about 10 years ago.
Because I was more of an educator.
I wanna teach people howto live healthy life.
And if, if I figured if Iwas in practice, I'd get lost
and it would get out there.
So, um, but nonetheless, thequestion was, is that, is
there, um, a a, an AI use?
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We do.
So I have an app called theLT Mind app, and I actually
programmed it where you talk intothe app and it gives you voice
recording, it uses your voiceto analyze your emotional state,
Hmm.
and then from that.
I've programmed itto rewire your brain.
Hmm.
So you will literally, ifyou're stuck, you're frustrated.
I tell my clients in themorning, just download the app.
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Rewire your brain in themorning, rewire it at night.
Watch your HRV.
Go up, watch your blood pressurego down, watch your heart rate go
down, watch your sleep get better.
Your REM sleep will go up.
Right when I sleep, when I go tobed, I've got, I go to bed at 9 45.
I wake up at 5 45clockwork every single day.
It doesn't.
I mean, I get up to use thebathroom 'cause I drink so
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much water at the same time.
But I don't have that issue.
Not to say I didn't, butthe more I calm the mind,
the better sleep I got.
That's rem.
And HRV, you mentionedthat like, I know that goes
back to breath work even.
In hold out.
That's a direct HRVcorrelation right there.
Chill out your heart and your, yeah.
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And that's allcontrolled by the debris.
Yes.
Yeah.
Yeah.
When I learned about that, thatlike with what you're saying,
I'm like, duh, everything goesdownstream from that point on
It's completely downstream.
So what I always wanted to get towas the core, core source of it.
That's why the brain,DNA, is the core source
of how all of this works.
So you look at your HRV and say,okay, I'm trying to lower my HRV.
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You do breath work.
Okay?
And that's great.
Is there something uphere that we need to add?
Maybe, maybe this person'sgot this, this, um, gene and
they need more tryptophanand they need more serotonin.
In their body to regulate.
So we, you gotta look at itand say, okay, let's, let's
put more meat, let's put moreTurkey in this person's diet
Hmm.
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to get an outcome.
Versus maybe more fish,maybe more mercury.
You wanna put more tryptophan,more Turkey in their diet
that's gonna help build moreserotonin for themselves.
They're gonna sleep betterbecause of that night.
yeah, yeah.
The, I'm gonna be takingthis test for one, the
brain rewire or Yeah, sorry.
The brain DNA test.
'cause that is absolutelylike, it's funny 'cause I
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work with another doctor.
I just had him on Dr.Paul Savage, who's.
All about, um, you know,essentially figuring out toxins,
taking toxins outta your body.
So I have a toxin test sittingon my counter right now to
take pee a cup and go do that.
Well, this is like, we all needto be doing these markers 'cause
it's, it's not, I think, likewhat he said, it's not a mystery
until you get data behind itand you need to get the data
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on yourself and then you, thenyou can do something about it.
That's exactly whatyou're saying here.
That's exactly what I'm saying.
Right.
I think the tests thatare out there amazing.
Like, uh, mold toxicity, allthat stuff is a huge, I, I
can't say that I do it enoughto be very honest with you.
It's something that I need toadd more to my protocol, but it's
something that I definitely needto think more about and I don't,
as much as I probably want tostart thinking about those things.
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there's a lot of new stuff coming.
I, yeah, I'm in, like I'm learningall about the toxin stuff and
working directly with the doctor.
I get firsthand and we're like,okay, this is frightening.
But
it's crazy.
yeah.
So hopefully, yeah.
If you haven't listenedto that episode, y'all,
it's already released.
So go check out Dr.
Savage.
I'm gonna listen to it too.
you should.
Yeah, you will.
You'll love it, man.
But so let's, uh,let's wrap it up here.
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I mean, I have so many otherquestions, but, um, I give them a
next best step because, you know,we're all approaching this from
different angles, different beliefs.
So where should say they start?
I'm assuming the,the brain DNA test.
So,
think so.
If you asked me sixmonths or a year ago.
I would've gave you a wholebunch of protocols to do, right?
But my research has shownme that that's a mistake.
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Mm-hmm.
research has shown me that thefirst thing you should do is get
your code, get your specific code.
Then let's talk about, okay, thenext piece of that code is your
value code, your psychological code.
But the first piece is let's getyour genetic code to understand
how to process these things.
Because when you process,then you know how to
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navigate all these pieces.
Maybe you, maybe you're anentrepreneur, like it's so crazy.
Like maybe you're an entrepreneurthat is mo demotivated, burned
out, fatigued and tired.
You're blaming testosteronein your body, but the problem
is the gene upstream and,
that's good.
Rolling?
and that's controlling it.
But you're taking thistestosterone and then
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taking all the side effects.
Mm-hmm.
along.
Potential side effects.
Right.
I know someone will argue with me.
Well, it's moststudied this and that.
It's great for its brain health.
I get all of that.
I'm not saying no to that.
I'm just from the,the the vantage point.
Can you create it on your own?
Yes.
I know this 'cause my dadis 73 years old and he's
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got an 830 testosterone.
Ooh.
Holy moly.
Yeah.
And so, and I'm like,dude, you want, you wanna
pass some of that over
Ready?
I'm sitting at seven 90, soI'm not far behind, but I
don't take any of that stuff.
It's, it's, and, and so you thinkyou gotta ask yourself the question,
like, how do you wanna do it?
You gotta get the code first.
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I think that's the mostimportant thing I really do.
I really believe thatin the heart of hearts.
Get that.
Then everything elsebecomes customized to you.
Where do they go to get it?
You just go to Dr. Rewiretest, go to Dr. Rewire test,
where if you go to Instagram,it's on, it's on the page.
You can just kind ofbuy it from there.
Whatever.
And, um, it's really simple.
It's really easy.
You just do a cheek swab,get it in five to seven days.
(42:06):
You'll have the answersto what you want.
And you know what, then you can takethe supplements, lifestyle changes
that are there for you if you want.
Then if you want moreimplementation, then you can
kind of do more implementation.
Or if you wanna work more directlywith me, you can do that too.
Whatever way works best foryou, but you don't have to.
But the whole point is knowthat's, you know how to implement
these tools in your life.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
So I'll link everything in theshow notes description, make
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it easy for everybody to find,and, um, I'm so fascinating.
I love this stuff, man.
And, and the fact that science.
I mean, it's just we're, we're allgetting smarter, but the fact that
we have people like yourself whoare now getting data that probably
no one's ever thought about toeven get, maybe had the ability to
get, and now we can run it throughsome really smart systems and,
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and we all have our individualprotocol, is not as sexy as like,
Hey, let's all go cold plunge.
Right.
You know?
It's not good foreveryone's marketing.
I get that right for the these,but I, you know, I'm not a data
guy, believe it or not, I'mnot a gross mass AI data guy.
That's, I'm, I'm a doctorthat wants to help people live
the best life that they can.
That's what, that's,that's my intention.
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That's my heart.
That's what I do.
And I want people to have their,the right things for themselves
to be able to do that because Iwant that for my kids and myself.
I'm my own patient.
First is, I like to say.
Okay.
I lied.
There's one other question thatjust come, comes to my mind.
It's like, what's, whatDo you struggle with
any of these techniques?
Because I read what youhave, like 92 or more?
It's about 120 to 120 differenttools, ways I can rewire the brain.
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Now,
So, is there something thatyou personally still struggle
with, that you're, you'regrappling for whatever reason?
it's a good question.
I think I sometimes still withmy own DNA, I think I get caught
up in the entrepreneurial game.
Hmm.
So is that moreexternal or internal?
It becomes external.
And I get reminded and I, and I haveto go back to that as a practice to
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remind myself to really govern that.
Because the thing is, isthat if you don't govern
it, it will take you over.
That's right.
Yeah.
Right.
And, but you know, I, I letsometimes do, get caught up in,
all right, let's go do this.
And, and then I, then I needto look at it and I have to
work on that continuouslyto sit and say, ah, hold on.
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And my daily practices thatI have help me get there.
But then you know what,I'm like everybody else.
I can go to a seminar, I can seethis guy do this, I exit and I can
see this be like, maybe I can do it.
And then I'm like, isit what I really want?
Am I willing to trade mylife and what I have now
for that as an outcome?
Hmm.
And I don't know that's the answer,but I have to bring myself down.
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That is something I struggle with.
That's cool.
Thanks for being open.
I know it's a very common one.
I struggle with it here.
Like when I have awesome folkslike yourself, like, oh wow, I
gotta go deeper doing whatever.
It could be a shiny, uh, youknow, we're all dealing with it.
And I feel at this age, evenmore so, social media, ai,
whatever we're learning.
I'll tell you the habit thatI struggle with the most
Yeah.
(44:59):
is social media on the morning.
Hmm.
There you
go.
social media in the morningis my, is my crutch, and I
have to cognizantly like.
Really sit and say, okay,you know, um, I'm gonna
leave my phone outside.
I'm gonna read my book.
I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'mgonna stop and read my book.
I'm gonna think.
And, but we get into this habitand it's just like, and I notice
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the days that I do social media inthe morning, I'm more hyperactive,
Ah, you're switching.
Yeah.
Without thinking.
And, and it, that it, ah,
completely.
a lot of folks can relate.
Yeah.
I have my own advices, buthey, thank you for sharing.
This is, this is really awesome.
I love the, uh, the, the chat.
And again, I'll link everything.
Go take your test.
(45:42):
Y'all go learn more.
I'm gonna go to Instagram.
Talk about social mediaand look at some of these
transformations you've been doing.
Absolutely love that.
Hap.
Happy to help.
Thank you for having me.
Appreciate it.
you got it?
Yeah.
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Uh, it's great tohave you here, man.
And, um, I mean the, the work thatyou've done just from my research is
incredible and I think it's flippingthe whole concept of, uh, just.
How we're, well, Dr. Rewire,you named that for a reason.
So I wanna, I wanna learn about,you know, where you came from,
which I know is in more ofthe clinical setting, right?
(01:28):
Like it's helpingwhat you're serving.
1200 I think patients,what, uh, was it?
Week per
A week.
Yeah.
It was, yes, per week.
It was
But there was a flip there.
So I'm like, I'm verycurious of like, what was
this epiphany that happened?
And walk me through, youknow, because you're all
about human behavior.
And, and optimizing that.
(01:48):
So I guess set the scene andthen I would love to hear
what that epiphany moment was.
Yeah, I think for me, so I'vealways asked the question, the one
question I've always asked is, whatcontrols that in the human body?
And that's, that's probablya perfect place to really
start the conversation.
You know, I studied personaltraining and exercise and
then I went on into personaldevelopment, excuse me,
personal into physical therapy.
(02:09):
And I struggled in physical therapy,ended up gonna chiropractic school.
Long story short, I figuredthat the muscles were
controlled by the nerves.
The nerves were controlledby the brain, and then
what controlled the brain?
So I just kept on going down thispath of continued exploration,
and I was fortunate enough tobuild one of the largest practices
in the country, if not theworld at the time, and in it.
But I just kept on findingwhat's the root cause of
(02:31):
someone's problem, right?
And I remember this case I hadone time, gentleman comes in on
the third of every month, why?
Every month he comes in and says,you know what, I've got this doc.
I got this back pain.
I got this back pain.
I said, why are you comingin the third of every month?
He's like, I don't know.
I said, when did it start?
He said, it started last night.
What were you doing?
I was talking with the wife and Isaid, what were you talking about?
How are we gonna makethe mortgage payment?
Mm.
(02:51):
And I said, that's interesting.
And I said, you know what?
Today I'm not gonna touch you.
I'm not gonna do anything with you.
All I wanna do today is I justwanna ask you some questions,
see if I can rebalance the brain.
And I did.
80, 80% of his pain was gone in10 minutes of asking questions.
And then I went on to sayhe came back the next day.
And I asked him some morequestions, cleared it, it was gone.
(03:12):
Then I didn't see him for sixmonths and I said, what happened?
He goes, I don't know, doc.
He goes, I haven't had any pain.
Every and money started to showup and income started to show up.
And all of a sudden in my clinic,I started seeing more patients.
I started getting people saying,you know, do, do the que do the
brain thing that you do, doc.
I wanna do that.
I don't, I don't wantto do the symptom thing.
And long story short, so Icontinued doing that, started
working with athletes, CEOs,celebrities, and all that space.
(03:36):
And then I wentthrough my own divorce.
Hmm.
And in my divorce, I, longstory short, I tried to get,
I was stuck with no money.
I was doing intermittent fastingbecause it, before it was a thing
because I had no money, likeliterally had a lemon to eat.
And I ended up basically figuringout the process to rewire.
Long story short, I, I rewired andI figured out that I'd created a
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belief in my brain that you couldhave love or money, but not both.
Ah, yes.
Yep.
And I went nine monthswithout making any money
or any revenue in my life.
That night, I figured it out,I rewired it, and then three
days later I made 175,000 bucks.
Two days later afterthat, I rewired some more.
I made a hundred thousand dollars.
Two days later I made 80,000.
(04:18):
These are all in sales and deals andum, I said there's something to this
thing that's even deeper and richer.
And so I spent the better partof the next year, two years
of my life, and still to thisday, to be honest with you,
continuing to rewire my brain.
I. And at the same time, not onlyhave I made more money, empowered
my own life, freed myself fromall these voices in my head and
(04:39):
made myself lose weight, stoppeddrinking or minimize drinking,
stopped smoking, lost 50 poundsin the process, and took charge
and empowered of my life.
Yeah, I believe you can havesuccess and fulfillment and there's
a path to do it that createdthat science to be able to get.
Okay.
Wow.
So that's a shift.
I mean, that is not the commonapproach for any kind of clinical
healthcare, chiropractic, whatever.
(05:01):
You have.
What, what have you.
I mean, I know I've experiencedback pain and, you know, gone
to chiropractic and that wholething, you know, upper back pain.
Everybody has their own part, I feel
sure.
Yeah,
held.
And, um, it wasn't working.
Like if it would work a littlebit feel great, but it was like,
why the hell is it still achy?
And I think I came tomy own conclusions.
Again, it was very emotionally tiedsomehow to a meaning, you know, a
(05:23):
belief said, and that's exactly whatyou found it sounds like, and then
replicated that beyond just yourselfor, or someone else, you know?
Yeah.
I wanted to createa system, right Joe?
I wanted to create a system thatsomeone could literally, and I
didn't do it for anybody else.
I did it for my own kids, right?
I'd love to sit on thisaltruist human being that
I want to better the world.
I do.
I do wanna better theworld, but you know what?
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I'm a dad first.
Cool.
And I wanted to give, I wantedto give my kids the blueprint of
life, you know, not to go off ofBrian Johnson and his blueprint.
Like what's theblueprint of the mind?
Yeah.
Yep.
What's the blueprint of the mind?
And, and I said, if I canteach my kids how to think,
I've done my job as a dad.
And in that process, I'vehad a chance of not only just
created for my kids, but workwith celebrities who help.
(06:07):
You know, who win more Emmys,um, with Daymond John and golfers
and all these cool people andcool stories that they come
to me and they say, I'm stuck.
I can't get ahead.
Help me, help me unblockthis, and things just open up.
So that's kinda what I've been able
That's, it is incredible man.
And that shift.
Thanks for sharing that moment.
'cause I feel, I always feellike there's that moment where
it's just that aha moment and.
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It was cool that itwas with someone else.
It wasn't just yourself, but yousaw for externally this massive
change happen and, and thenyou were able to replicate it.
I, I believe it was a, anOlympian, if I'm not mistaken,
you did this rewire in less thanlike four minutes or something.
And I don't know if that's story,like, I'm curious if you could share
a story like this or maybe withthat person or, or someone else.
(06:52):
That just shows how fast youcan flip something, you know,
maybe a deep held belief.
Yeah.
There's so many, I mean,literally can take me a minute
to two minutes to three minutesto be able to rewire someone.
The fastest I've ever done isI've taken a lady who depression.
I. Seven seconds later, sheno longer had depression
Oh my gosh.
seven seconds later because it'sabout rebalancing the brain, right?
So when you help get the brainto where it's supposed to
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be, we are able to function.
The body is a beautiful mechanism.
We just don't use it the waythat it's designed to be used.
Right.
And so just to, and like I,I mean, I'm thinking of my
friend now who, who's, uh,he's got four Emmy awards.
He was, had two, was stuck,couldn't get anymore.
I rewired him in 10 minutesand unlocked the thing that was
(07:36):
holding back and then went on towin two more Remys, and I think
he's in the running for anotherone here, um, this year as well.
So like you are that like there'sa path to be able to create this.
And as entrepreneurs in thisaudience, especially, most
people think you're, theproblem is your failures, right?
That that's not the problem.
The problem is the successes.
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You don't hit the lower limit.
As gay Hendricks used tosay, there's an upper limit.
And that upper limitis based on the brain.
It's based on dopamine.
It's based on your, your neurology.
And then when we find it, we canactually govern that whole thing
and control the whole mechanism.
Wow.
and it's a science, it's, and I'vecreated an actual science you could
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do, it's not arbitrary anymore.
Yeah.
Well, and like you said, gayHendricks, the upper limit problem.
Yeah.
Remember that from the Big Leap
Yeah.
That's right.
That's right.
Yeah.
When you, when you start tothink of it and frame it in that
way, you're like, holy shit.
Yeah, I'm, I'm actually you,you get confined to whatever
that upper limit that we setfor ourselves, if it's conscious
or not, it's subconscious.
It is right then if we're justtalking about gay Hendrix, like,
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um, he talks about the upperlimit and then you fall and
then people call that limit.
Okay, let's just say it's 10million in business, right?
Let's just say you get to 10million, that was my upper
limit, and then you fall backto 3 million, let's say for.
Right, and they're like,well, what happened?
That $7 million gap is the gap thatnow will cause you more anguish,
(08:59):
pain, guilt, shame, resentment,frustration within yourself that,
and it's costing you literally $7million a year not to fix the brain.
Man.
Okay.
It's costing you that.
Yeah.
But we think it's self-sabotage.
It's not self-sabotage, it'sunderstanding the upper limit.
'cause water sees its own level,your brain finds its own level,
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that it matches your identity,your frequency, your nerves.
All these things come togetherand say, this is the ideal level.
So you'll sit at three, 3million and that's what you do.
And then you get pissed offand why can't I get to 10?
Why can't I get to 10?
And then we go through these cycles.
We do it for three years,and we get frustrated.
Then we get, we getstop setting goals.
(09:43):
And by the seventh year we getthis seven year itch and we wanna
get the hell outta the business.
we bring, you bring up goals.
'cause that was actually one ofthe things I have on my list,
uh, uh, little topics here and.
I, I wanna get yourthoughts on goals.
So like, you have things like smartgoals, you know that everyone's
heard of that a lot of, um, I readsome stat that 97% of the Fortune
(10:03):
500 companies are, use smartgoals, or at least somehow claim
that that's, that's the thing.
But, um, I think you've saidis traditional goal setting is
just, it's, it's flawed, youknow, there's, it's not correct.
So I'd love to hearyour stance on that.
And.
And how that also relates to,uh, like dopamine, the actual
chemicals inside of us and how thatcan just totally throw everything
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Okay, so for the record, if anyonelistens to this podcast, you took
me down the neurology path here.
So I'm gonna geekout now if that's all
it, please.
This is on you.
I'll take it.
Um, so what happens is when we seta goal, we set up dopamine pathways.
And we sit and say, let's just use10 million as a round number in
this, for this audience, right?
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Or even a million.
If you think what?
Whatever you think is the rightnumber, let's just use 10.
Um, so you say, okay, I'mgonna go hit a goal of 10
million in my business.
I wanna go after that.
What do you gotta do?
What do you gottamap that zero to 10?
Wherever you're at, let's say it'sat 2 million, 5 million, 7 million,
that delta creates a dopamine spike.
Mm-hmm.
Now what's gonna happen is this,is that if you don't hit 10 million
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on that goal and you hit 9 million.
You now have anger and frustrationbecause now you're gonna fall
back down because if thisdopamine goes up, the other side
of dopamine is something callednorepinephrine and epinephrine.
Mm-hmm.
And these are what's knownas catecholamines, which are
stress neurotransmitters.
(11:26):
Okay, these aresympathetic to the body.
They release cortisol, adrenalglands, burnout, fatigue in the
body, exhaustion, high bloodpressure, insulin resistance,
blood, uh, pre-diabetes.
All this stuff comes from this.
So when I say goal settingis flawed and antiquated, it
is because we're not managingour emotions around the goal.
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So dopamine goes up and spikes,and then what happens is if we
don't hit that goal, we crash.
A bigger problem becomesif you do hit the goal,
Hmm.
The bigger problem.
the bigger problem comesif you do hit the goal
Okay.
you hit that spike and nowall of a sudden you now
become addicted to that spike.
Because you achieve that thing,you're like, okay, well I
(12:09):
could do anything then, huh?
it again.
I could do it again.
And so what we do is weset then bigger goals.
And then we set bigger goals.
I know the worldsays, you know what?
Set goals so big that,that they'll scare you.
That is complete nonsense.
That is nothing but nonsense.
If you set a goal that scares you,you now have to go through agony
(12:29):
and pain to try and get there.
The brain doesn't worktowards agony and pain.
The brain moves into pleasureand what we've done in personal
development and that for the last,and I've wor studied with the best.
I've had 130 mentors over my career,and what we've said is that, you
know, the the fear, you just gottacross on the other side of the fear.
(12:50):
No, no, you don't.
You're never gonnalive without fear.
What you have to do is managethe fear that you have.
So our brain is designed tosit and say, you know what?
I can set these goals,but I can actually set
'em on 10% trajectories.
Okay.
Manageable.
Manageable.
So I'll use an example.
How do you triple your business?
Now, this is not my,this is not mine.
This is a j Abraham thing, right?
(13:11):
J Abraham.
You increase 10% in onecategory in your new clients,
10% in your retention, and10% in another category.
Those are manageable tacticsin business that your brain can
sit and say, I can manage thatrather than the large number.
And according to Jay Abraham, right?
Like, you can now tripleyour business because.
(13:31):
To that.
Sure.
Leverage and it hascompounding effects throughout.
Yeah.
Completely correct.
And now what we've done iswe've managed the emotions.
Dopamine stays regulated and youdon't create blood sugar imbalance.
'cause if dopamine goesup, so does blood sugar.
Mm-hmm.
If dopamine crashes, sodoes your blood sugar.
It follows the same trend, right?
what's, what's the, what's thehealth effects of that blood sugar?
(13:53):
Just really quick, like
yes, yes.
The more spikes we create in ourblood sugar, the more insulin
resistance we create over time.
And insulin resistanceleads to diabetes,
Mm-hmm.
so that leads to highblood pressure problems.
Sleeping, brain fogcan't get clarity.
You wake up in the morning, Ican't think like a lot of, and
maybe your group doesn't, but alot of entrepreneurs like, man,
(14:15):
I just need a drink to chill out.
I need a, I need a tequilato call out at night.
And like we do all these things assuppressors to our body, rather than
understanding as an entrepreneur,we have to learn to manage.
We have to learn to manage oursystem and, and so that being
the case, we then create allthis illness on the back end.
(14:36):
Your adrenal fatigue kicksin, cortisol spikes, and
cortisol is the hormone.
Then in essence isthe stress hormone.
Right.
It's stress.
And so if we have stress,our body doesn't work.
It's like fight or flight.
Right.
Complete fire flight.
Thank you.
Yeah.
Always on.
And chronic stress leadsto chronic inflammation.
(14:57):
Which is the source of all disease
All disease comes fromchronic inflammation.
Right?
Yeah.
Right.
And, and I'll say it to bepolitically correct in case
anyone wants to, you know,social media, me, it's, uh,
99% of it all comes from it.
Okay.
Fair.
For the record of that.
Right.
But if we then look at it, andthen as entrepreneurs and I,
and this is my, my goal to helpentrepreneurs wake up to this
(15:19):
is saying, Hey, look, I got it.
You have to have health, you haveto have these five pillars of
health that, that I talk about.
You have to have an unshakable mind.
You have to have anunshakeable body.
You have to have an unshakablediet, and then you have to
have unshakable sleep, and youhave to have unshakable wealth.
But most of us are chasing thiswealth game, losing our mind,
(15:41):
losing our body, not knowingwhat to eat, to regulate it for
ourselves, and we don't get thesleep that we need to recover.
So then how are you gonnaget any kind of wealth?
How are you define that wealth?
It could be the money or it couldjust be what fulfillment, you know,
wholeness, uh, break down the fivepillars even more because, uh.
I, I'm, and I want to place, I don'tknow, maybe we could think of like,
(16:04):
when you're working with someoneinitially, you know, someone that
is wide open on the cortisol, youknow, they're chasing these goals.
They've already had some prettygood achievements, but they're
just, you know, they're in aslump and they're coming to you.
Like, how, how do you approach them?
Well, first thing I do is Ido a brain DNA test, right?
I, I've created the brain DNAtest where we look at your actual
(16:25):
DNA, and we do a cheek swab, sendin the cheek swab, and then from
that cheek swab we're able to see.
Seven SNPs that controlthe five neurotransmitters,
dopamine, serotonin, oxytocin,norepinephrine, epinephrine.
And we're able to see howyour body responds to these.
So for example, someone who'sgot a high or a low comp T
(16:48):
Mm-hmm.
gene variable is gonna have a lotof dopamine in their system and a
lot of serotonin in their brain.
Joe is gonna be ping, ping,ping, ping, ping, ping.
They have like 40 tabsopen on their computer.
And they can process it all, butthen when it comes time to go to
bed at night, they can't recover.
Ah.
Right.
Problem is that person's also wakingup in the morning having a cup of
(17:09):
Java Joe and saying, you know what?
I need this to wake up.
No, no, no.
That's a mistake for that person.
Then what we've gotta do is we'vegotta actually figure out, 'cause
everybody has a code, I like to say.
Say you have to know your code.
Once you get your code, thenyou have to create a system
that works for you to get that.
Yeah.
Then we have to rewire thatso that everything you're
(17:30):
doing is matching your code.
Then it makes sense.
Another example, like someone likethat, you know, like there's this
big thing in the market, right?
It's for entrepreneurs nottotally contradict with
this crap that's out there.
Everyone, you know, in orderto get healthy, everyone needs
to cold plunge every day.
Right, the trend.
That's just crap advice.
That's
Why?
(17:50):
Why?
Why would you say that's crap?
Because what happens is that whenyou're cold plunging every day,
and let's say your body makes toomuch dopamine, you have too much
dopamine in the system as it is,you go in there, you spike your,
your norepinephrine dopaminelevels that now stays in your
system, that now creates cortisolresponse and stress response,
True.
Okay.
Yeah.
The opposite of probablywhat you're, you're,
(18:12):
opposite of whatyou're trying to do.
yeah.
So we have these blanketstatements in health and biohacking
that are just as dangerousas the the abuse of medicine
Mm-hmm.
that that's just not accurate.
How about the opposite?
Because you know, you havethings like sauna, you know,
and, and like, what would yousay on that kind of the total
opposite side of that spectrum?
(18:33):
I think.
I think it's valuable, right?
But I think you've gottafind out your code to make
sure that you can do it.
Because Absolutely.
Do I have a sauna?
I have a coal plunge.
Absolutely I do.
Right?
There's, I'm not sayingit's not beneficial.
I'll give you an example.
I'm the perfect example of that.
So I have a coal plunge andI'm just like everyone else,
I'm like, okay, I gotta bedisciplined, be all you can be.
(18:53):
And you know, the, the wholelike breakthrough walls,
entrepreneurial crap that we say to
sure.
Yeah.
And um, then I went and did my owngene test and, and it said in my
gene test, it said, you know what?
I don't process the cold that well.
Hmm.
Wow,
I live in between
cause more stressors.
Right.
That causes me stress.
So now that causes me stress.
So I go into that cold plungeat 45 degrees, six minutes a day
(19:17):
because that's what they've saidon social media is healthy for me.
Now all of a sudden, I go intothis thing and I'm causing
more stress on my body.
Cortisol is going up,stress response is going up.
Insulin then goes up,blood pressure goes up.
It doesn't go down.
So instead I said, you know what?
Okay, I got it.
This is a moderation game for me.
So I go in, I turn it up to 52, 53degrees, and then I go in for three
(19:42):
minutes, two to three times a week.
I like that.
Okay.
Moderation.
Look
There's a moderation game.
No one's talking.
I've never heard anybody say that.
Like How about we justgo a little warmer?
Just a little bit For shorter?
Yeah.
Uh
Entrepreneurs have this,and our brains are designed
to go for all or none.
mm-hmm.
That's right.
Well, that's honestly, it's what themedia's gonna pick up anyway, right?
(20:03):
So it's
It is.
And that's what we lookat and we say, okay, I
gotta go all in or none.
And we, we listen to thesepeople who are out there
saying, we go all or none,and that's all we have to do.
And that's not reallyaccurate because our health
and body is breaking down.
Mm-hmm.
And as entrepreneurswe have to look at it.
If we're the leaders ofsociety, then we have to ask
ourself a different question.
(20:24):
How are we leading?
Mm-hmm.
We have to ask ourselvesa different question.
Are we being the part thatyou would want your child
to be burned out, exhausted?
Truth, and, and you know what?
Not the crap that you put on onyour social media, the true answers
that you look inside of your head.
Are you pumping yourself withTRT that makes sales and get
yourself through the day?
Because that's a symptomthat you're looking at.
(20:45):
Why not raise your testosteroneby getting your brain awake
inspired, getting yourself alignedcorrectly and getting your body
in the right ho optimal state.
And function at a wholedifferent level rather than just
injecting ourselves all day long.
And I see this all day longand, and um, and we're causing
more illness than we areactually breeding health.
So you mentioned TRT, youknow, testosterone, uh,
(21:07):
hormone replacement therapy.
It is very trendy becauseI think, and you know, I
think it's word of mouth.
You, you see a lot ofentrepreneurs doing it.
I have not done it, but I knowa lot of people who have, I've
had the blood tests where, whereit led me to almost to the cusp.
I was like, eh.
So I guess maybe, yeah, talk about.
That, like that plus maybe some ofthese other things that might be
(21:29):
common that are detrimental, moredetrimental than anyone believes or
A hundred percent.
So let's talk about TRT.
It's a great one, right?
And, and, and many of the malesout there, we talk about this, you
know, it's an epi epidemic acrossthe world that male TRT is low.
Absolutely, it is.
Let, let me ask you a question.
What is also anepidemic in our society?
Chronic stress.
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Chronic stress willdrop your TRT levels.
As an entrepreneur, you'rechronically under stress.
And you are working and you'reburned out, you're tired,
you're fatigued, your brain,you don't know what the code
is because what happens?
Let me bear with myscience mind for a minute.
Your brain createsthese neurotransmitters.
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These neurotransmitters thencommunicate and create hormones.
Mm-hmm.
So the way that your brain createsneurotransmitters determines
the hormones in your brain.
Body.
Makes sense, Uhhuh?
So if you're not inspired by thechallenges you have, if you feel
frustrated, burned out, tired, andyou gotta go to work and work feels
like a grind and you gotta grindit up more and more and more, you
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are burning out your testosterone,
Yes.
Okay.
you are burning outyour testosterone,
breaking down your body.
And instead of saying, okay,how do I rewire this so that
it's not burning me down?
How do I, how do I buildmy own testosterone?
'cause you can.
You a hundred percent can, butit's the way that you think and
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the way that your brain codeis set up that's creating these
imbalances in neurotransmittersthat are causing you to burn out
physically with this testosterone.
And so
Yeah,
is there a time for it?
Absolutely.
I'm not taking away from that.
That's not my point.
Is it being overly abused?
In my opinion, it's.
Got it.
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How, I guess just to close theloop, because I'm sure people
are wondering, and I am too.
How do you grow or buildyour own testosterone?
So you set goals that arestrategic, that are truly
inspirational to you, that reallymean the most to you, right?
Right now, in the entrepreneurialmarket, everything is about an exit.
Everyone's talking about exit.
There's so much moneyin private equity.
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Okay, good.
What does that mean?
You know, truthfully,what I've found is that.
People who exit theircompanies come to me most
depressed than ever before.
that's a very common thing.
I was just doing anothershow earlier, uh,
yesterday, same exact thing.
Never met someone who'smade it rich, wealthy,
whatever, and super happy.
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You know, it's, it's just,or if there are, they're
very few and far between.
You know what I've found overthe years, in all the cases,
all the experience, whatI've found is an inspired
entrepreneur builds a businessthat they never want to sell.
Dan Sullivan talked to me.
Like
that's right.
Yep.
Right.
And I, I believe DanSullivan is the OG of OGs
and in business consulting,
I mean, he is what, in his eightiesnow, so, and he's still rocking.
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yeah, I've never been, I justread his books and I've just
watched some of his interviewsand so I've never been a client
of visit or any of that capacity.
But I think just thatmindset, when I heard that
I guy, I said, this guy gets
it's true.
Yeah, he does.
completely.
And so you build a business thatyou never wanna sell, but you build
it in the way that you can sell.
So that's where you create thesystem behind it, but you build it
because you love to serve people.
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And when you serve people,you'll get up every morning
with a value of what you do.
You'll have a, an inspirationto wake up and get up and
do something in the world.
But if you say, you know what?
I did all this for money.
I've not found many peoplethat actually truly sit
and say, you know what?
My number one value is money.
'cause once they get money,then they'll lead the path of
debauchery and they'll find waysto destroy and lose that money.
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Mm-hmm.
And then the cycle continuesor probably is way worse.
Yeah.
now.
They fall.
They say, well, you know what,I've got money so I'm not,
um, I'm not stressed that way.
But they got no fulfillment, nojoy, no, no inspiration in the game.
And that's why I say you canhave success and fulfillment.
There is a path tohaving both, for sure.
Got it.
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Well, so, and this goesback to the five pillars of
health that you speak about.
It.
I feel like, I dunno, you correct meif I'm wrong, if I'm wrong, there's
probably not a sequence to it.
Maybe you have one.
But I feel like yeah, if there'san imbalance in wealth, you
know, that could lead to otherimbalances, maybe bo mind, body,
sleep, whatever it might be.
But I'm curious if you could justbreak down how you think about
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the pillars of health and, andso we can all kind of grasp it
For sure, right?
Sleep is essentially important,but here's what I found.
I, I come from a mindfirst approach to health.
Care
Okay.
' cause the brain controlsevery single cell tissue
and organ in the body.
And how we think controls everycell tissue or organ in the body.
They have shown, theyhave shown proof in data.
And I've done thisexperiment myself.
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Go to the gym and do bicepcurls and take yourself to
the last rep, maybe doing 10.
You know, the 10th rep gets superangry and think of something super
negative that pisses you off.
Hmm.
That 10th 11th rep isgonna become super hard.
It's gonna be hardto finish that rep.
Yeah.
Now think about the thingthat you love and inspire,
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that you want to do the most.
You'll get two or three morereps outta yourself in that.
' cause your brain will movetowards what it is you really
want, if it inspires you.
Interesting.
It's really interesting.
So what we have to do is, I, I,I say, get the mind clear first.
Right.
Rewire the brain.
Get yourself, know who you are.
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Know your values.
Know your identity.
Know why you're doing whatyou're doing and link everything
in your life, every emotion,everything to that mind.
'cause once the mind gets calm,then the body gets cleared.
Now you reduce the cortisol.
Now you reduce the theblood sugar problem.
Now you get rolling hills.
As our, my friend Gary said, youget proper rolling hills that
then spikes in blood sugar, right?
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Yeah.
Yeah.
Then you say, okay,now what do I eat?
Then you gotta look at, okay, nowwe gotta control the diet so we
don't spike these blood sugars.
And then, then once thosethings come into place,
sleep falls itself right in
Hmm.
Makes sense.
'cause your body's gonna want it andso your diet is gonna fit with it.
Yeah, exactly.
And then watch your wealth explode.
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Watch your wealthexplode at that point.
Hmm.
But I will say.
That if, you know, if you'relistening to this and saying,
you know what, doc, that makessense, but you know what,
I'm, I'm just trying to figureout how to pay my bills.
I'm trying to get through the date.
I get it.
I completely get it right.
And, and I've been there,so I, I empathize with you.
But at the same token, whatI'm saying is that what you've
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gotta do is learn to kind ofmix both of them into the game.
Don't neglect the health whileyou're trying to build wealth
Mm-hmm.
until you can fully sitand say, you know what?
I can spend the first3, 4, 5 hours of my day.
In my own state to go workfour to six hours if you want
to, and then come back andspend time with the family.
I think if you structure yourday that way, I like the way
Ed Millet sometimes explain.
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I think I heard himsay this one time.
He said he structure, hestructures his day in in
threes, in chunks of three I.
I kind of like that.
I kind of like that, that idea.
I get up in the morning, sixo'clock, six to 10 is my time.
Yeah.
That's my time.
Like that's my workout, that'smy training, that's my rewiring.
That's my reading.
That's, that's me,that's my learning time.
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So I spent four hours there,and then I go, okay, 10 o'clock,
I'll do my first meeting, andI work till about four, right?
10 to four, six hours, unlessI'm actually doing a seminar
or something like that, right.
Then it's a, it's afull different game.
So I'll work six hours inthere and then four o'clock
I'm like, I'm done, I'm done.
I go back to the gym.
So I do two workouts a dayand I go back to the gym.
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In that I'll do a, uh, I'll dolike a little like cardio or
something, get the body bloodmoving, get my steps in, and
then five o'clock it's like, allright, son's got a soccer game
or some activity, family dinner.
And then I do, man, I'm gonna saysomething that every entrepreneur's
gonna sit and say, no, you can't.
I like to sit at the end ofthe day and watch a little tv.
How dare you?
I know
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Geez.
I like to do it.
I watch Modern Family andLife in pieces, and I love it.
Modern family's awesome.
Yeah.
I was gonna ask you.
Okay.
What are you watching?
yeah.
Even better.
Okay.
Modern family.
Yeah.
Love it.
Uh, so I, I have a couplethings that came to mind as
you're walking through this.
So, obviously the five pillarsof health is sequential, starting
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with the mind, at least in theway you say it, and I fully
believe that's true as well.
A couple things thatcome to mind, like.
And I wanna ask you aboutsome of the specifics to keep
those rolling hills going.
Going, as Gary Breca
sure.
Yeah.
Yeah.
uh, like breath work for me, Ifound all the way from Wim Hoff,
which is pretty aggressive to thingsthat are more intentional, but can
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still get very similar results.
Um, or going into pushups like WimHof, you know, do 40 whatever, you
know, inhale, exhales, and then,you know, do the whole routine.
And then start just like crankingas many pushups as he can.
And I'm sure with even a morepositive mental picture of
whatever you're going for.
But I've always found I coulddo way more, you know, like
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a good extra 10, maybe more.
Um, and I'm sure that relates to,'cause you're clear in your mind
you're, we're you're settling thebrain, or sorry, the body and the
brain, uh, through the breath work.
So like would a mechanism likethat be helpful or is that
something that you use yourself?
Yeah, I love breath work.
I completely lovebreath work, right?
I'm an Indian guy, so like breathwork and yoga is like, that's
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what we grew, we grew up with.
So I'm totally in for.
And I think oxygen and Gary isso dead on the money when he says
presence of oxygen is the absenceof disease, he's dead on the money.
The rewiring work we dois about bringing oxygen
to cells that need it.
Right.
And when he saw me rewiresomeone, he is like,
doc, how did you do that?
He's like, he's seen me do it.
If you go to my Instagram,you'll see his testimony.
He is like, I've neverseen anything like that.
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And Gary's great andhe's right with that.
And what we've gotta dois put push more oxygen.
So breath work is helpingoxygen get to the system.
Absolutely.
Now I will.
You know, Wim Hof has so manystudies that I've done on him
and that are, that are completelywild as story and testimony
Injected, uh, whate coli and all that.
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Yeah.
All this stuff, absolutelyridiculous, right?
So I'm not going to sayanything against it 'cause
I can't speak to that.
But I will go back to, to myroots and say, breathwork in
the eastern world has beenaround for millennials, right?
Centuries.
And what has been taught, whatI've learned is that if you're
doing the deep aggressive breath.
And you're doing that heavy breath.
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Sure.
It's stimulating thesympathetic nervous system.
Right?
The short inhalation is aboutyour sympathetic nervous system,
and the exhalation is about yourparasympathetic, which is your
relaxed part of the nervous system.
So fight or flight when youtake in and when you exhale.
It's about relaxing andbasically, uh, rest and digest.
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And what I've always taught,I've taught my patients for
almost 25 years now, is takea deep breath in for seven.
Hold it for seven andrelease it for seven,
Okay.
Every, even everything's even.
even it up, because what youdo is that you activate the
sympathetic nervous system.
You now put that oxygen.
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That oxygen now forces itselfinto cells, and then you relax
for seven, and then you get thecarbon dioxide and that out of
the system, and the body gets ridof that and it re resets itself.
What we want is theoptimized state is not more.
Or less.
It's balanced.
It's systematic.
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It's unshakeable.
Unshakeable is balanced,and so breath work, I call
it unshakeable breath work.
Yeah.
Okay, cool.
Yeah, I gotta, Igotta check into that.
I love it.
And I found as I eased down,'cause I was all about the
Wim h for a while and I'msure it's partially marketing.
Um, it is great.
But it introduced me andI know a lot of others to
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breath work and things likeyou said, and the eastern way
of being and, and everything.
I like, I have a bunch ofIndian friends and I've no.
Breath work's been around forever.
Yoga, these, these veryintentional, all the way back
to the whole inflammation.
Ayurveda, you know, it's likeit's all tied in together.
Yeah.
It's all tied in.
You know, I've been, I've, I'm,I've a geek when it comes to health.
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My, you know, my family and everyoneknows like, what do I study?
I study health.
Sure.
I pretend like I'm an entrepreneur,like maybe a lot of your
audience, but I'm really a doctor.
Like I love healing, like, and Ihave a business in healing, right?
So that, like, that's what I do.
But at the end of theday, I'm a doctor.
So I've studied Ayurveda, I'vestudied functional medicine,
I've studied all of these thingsto create, look at what, what?
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I don't know thatthere's a best system.
What I've said is that how dowe take all of these systems
and make it the best for you?
Mm-hmm.
You see what I'm saying?
All the way back to thebrain DNA test, which
All the way back to the brain.
DNA test.
If someone has, so some, someonewho has high amounts of MAOA
or looks low amounts of MAOA isgonna be known as a warrior gene,
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Mm-hmm.
Yes.
right?
So what do they need that yougive them more pump up of oxygen,
fire 'em up with more oxygen,they're gonna be more awake.
That's gonna make thedopamine go higher.
Serotonin's gonna go higher,and they're gonna go and say,
I'm unstoppable to everything.
But then they're gonna crash.
That person at night is gonnasit and say, I am drained.
And they go all or none.
All or none.
There's no grounding middlespace for that person.
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Or is there, like, isthere another approach?
Like what would youUm, um, gotta be.
There is, of course there is, right.
I'm saying, but like the waythat they live now, of course
yeah.
That's the now way.
Okay.
Gotcha.
But, but then we would rewiretheir brain to be able to
regulate that number one.
Then I'd get breath work into it.
I would not have them do crazyheavy lifting all the time.
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Light low rep liftingwould be a completely
different answer for them.
Instead of saying, you knowwhat, let me go pump up.
You know, ever the max reps, allI can do, you know what if I take
you to 25 reps at a lower, you'regonna burn out that dopamine.
You're gonna burn out that serotoninand it's excess in your body.
Yeah.
Interesting.
Okay.
And that probably, you know, likeyou said, you work out twice a day.
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I know a lot of people aren'teven working out once, but
workout y'all do something.
But, uh, you know, like you couldhave a whole different workout,
I'm assuming in the morning.
Maybe that's more of a pump up, araise up, and uh, and then one in
the evening or later in the dayto, I'm assuming, depending on who
you are, you know, maybe that's themore calm, mindful way of working
out whatever that looks like.
(35:38):
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
I. Depending on you, right?
Like it's, we are in an era,obviously now with, um, brain
test, or excuse me, withpersonalized medicine being
so on the front forefront.
We now, we now have to createa personalized psychology.
We can't just say we, we followall humans function the same way.
That's just not true.
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Yeah, that's not true at all.
And I mean immediately, 'cause Ido a lot of stuff in AI and now,
you know, we all have access topretty much all the information.
Whenever are you leveraging ai orat least the idea of like, okay,
we have all these results now howdo we make you the absolute best?
I'm just, you know, with thestudies and everything that you
know about in your own practice.
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I don't, I'm not in practiceanymore, so I don't, I don't
have a brick and mortar.
I got through my brick andmortar about 10 years ago.
Because I was more of an educator.
I wanna teach people howto live healthy life.
And if, if I figured if Iwas in practice, I'd get lost
and it would get out there.
So, um, but nonetheless, thequestion was, is that, is
there, um, a a, an AI use?
(36:41):
We do.
So I have an app called theLT Mind app, and I actually
programmed it where you talk intothe app and it gives you voice
recording, it uses your voiceto analyze your emotional state,
Hmm.
and then from that.
I've programmed itto rewire your brain.
Hmm.
So you will literally, ifyou're stuck, you're frustrated.
I tell my clients in themorning, just download the app.
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Rewire your brain in themorning, rewire it at night.
Watch your HRV.
Go up, watch your blood pressurego down, watch your heart rate go
down, watch your sleep get better.
Your REM sleep will go up.
Right when I sleep, when I go tobed, I've got, I go to bed at 9 45.
I wake up at 5 45clockwork every single day.
It doesn't.
I mean, I get up to use thebathroom 'cause I drink so
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much water at the same time.
But I don't have that issue.
Not to say I didn't, butthe more I calm the mind,
the better sleep I got.
That's rem.
And HRV, you mentionedthat like, I know that goes
back to breath work even.
In hold out.
That's a direct HRVcorrelation right there.
Chill out your heart and your, yeah.
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And that's allcontrolled by the debris.
Yes.
Yeah.
Yeah.
When I learned about that, thatlike with what you're saying,
I'm like, duh, everything goesdownstream from that point on
It's completely downstream.
So what I always wanted to get towas the core, core source of it.
That's why the brain,DNA, is the core source
of how all of this works.
So you look at your HRV and say,okay, I'm trying to lower my HRV.
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You do breath work.
Okay?
And that's great.
Is there something uphere that we need to add?
Maybe, maybe this person'sgot this, this, um, gene and
they need more tryptophanand they need more serotonin.
In their body to regulate.
So we, you gotta look at itand say, okay, let's, let's
put more meat, let's put moreTurkey in this person's diet
Hmm.
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to get an outcome.
Versus maybe more fish,maybe more mercury.
You wanna put more tryptophan,more Turkey in their diet
that's gonna help build moreserotonin for themselves.
They're gonna sleep betterbecause of that night.
yeah, yeah.
The, I'm gonna be takingthis test for one, the
brain rewire or Yeah, sorry.
The brain DNA test.
'cause that is absolutelylike, it's funny 'cause I
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work with another doctor.
I just had him on Dr.Paul Savage, who's.
All about, um, you know,essentially figuring out toxins,
taking toxins outta your body.
So I have a toxin test sittingon my counter right now to
take pee a cup and go do that.
Well, this is like, we all needto be doing these markers 'cause
it's, it's not, I think, likewhat he said, it's not a mystery
until you get data behind itand you need to get the data
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on yourself and then you, thenyou can do something about it.
That's exactly whatyou're saying here.
That's exactly what I'm saying.
Right.
I think the tests thatare out there amazing.
Like, uh, mold toxicity, allthat stuff is a huge, I, I
can't say that I do it enoughto be very honest with you.
It's something that I need toadd more to my protocol, but it's
something that I definitely needto think more about and I don't,
as much as I probably want tostart thinking about those things.
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there's a lot of new stuff coming.
I, yeah, I'm in, like I'm learningall about the toxin stuff and
working directly with the doctor.
I get firsthand and we're like,okay, this is frightening.
But
it's crazy.
yeah.
So hopefully, yeah.
If you haven't listenedto that episode, y'all,
it's already released.
So go check out Dr.
Savage.
I'm gonna listen to it too.
you should.
Yeah, you will.
You'll love it, man.
But so let's, uh,let's wrap it up here.
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I mean, I have so many otherquestions, but, um, I give them a
next best step because, you know,we're all approaching this from
different angles, different beliefs.
So where should say they start?
I'm assuming the,the brain DNA test.
So,
think so.
If you asked me sixmonths or a year ago.
I would've gave you a wholebunch of protocols to do, right?
But my research has shownme that that's a mistake.
(40:19):
Mm-hmm.
research has shown me that thefirst thing you should do is get
your code, get your specific code.
Then let's talk about, okay, thenext piece of that code is your
value code, your psychological code.
But the first piece is let's getyour genetic code to understand
how to process these things.
Because when you process,then you know how to
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navigate all these pieces.
Maybe you, maybe you're anentrepreneur, like it's so crazy.
Like maybe you're an entrepreneurthat is mo demotivated, burned
out, fatigued and tired.
You're blaming testosteronein your body, but the problem
is the gene upstream and,
that's good.
Rolling?
and that's controlling it.
But you're taking thistestosterone and then
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taking all the side effects.
Mm-hmm.
along.
Potential side effects.
Right.
I know someone will argue with me.
Well, it's moststudied this and that.
It's great for its brain health.
I get all of that.
I'm not saying no to that.
I'm just from the,the the vantage point.
Can you create it on your own?
Yes.
I know this 'cause my dadis 73 years old and he's
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got an 830 testosterone.
Ooh.
Holy moly.
Yeah.
And so, and I'm like,dude, you want, you wanna
pass some of that over
Ready?
I'm sitting at seven 90, soI'm not far behind, but I
don't take any of that stuff.
It's, it's, and, and so you thinkyou gotta ask yourself the question,
like, how do you wanna do it?
You gotta get the code first.
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I think that's the mostimportant thing I really do.
I really believe thatin the heart of hearts.
Get that.
Then everything elsebecomes customized to you.
Where do they go to get it?
You just go to Dr. Rewiretest, go to Dr. Rewire test,
where if you go to Instagram,it's on, it's on the page.
You can just kind ofbuy it from there.
Whatever.
And, um, it's really simple.
It's really easy.
You just do a cheek swab,get it in five to seven days.
(42:06):
You'll have the answersto what you want.
And you know what, then you can takethe supplements, lifestyle changes
that are there for you if you want.
Then if you want moreimplementation, then you can
kind of do more implementation.
Or if you wanna work more directlywith me, you can do that too.
Whatever way works best foryou, but you don't have to.
But the whole point is knowthat's, you know how to implement
these tools in your life.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
So I'll link everything in theshow notes description, make
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it easy for everybody to find,and, um, I'm so fascinating.
I love this stuff, man.
And, and the fact that science.
I mean, it's just we're, we're allgetting smarter, but the fact that
we have people like yourself whoare now getting data that probably
no one's ever thought about toeven get, maybe had the ability to
get, and now we can run it throughsome really smart systems and,
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and we all have our individualprotocol, is not as sexy as like,
Hey, let's all go cold plunge.
Right.
You know?
It's not good foreveryone's marketing.
I get that right for the these,but I, you know, I'm not a data
guy, believe it or not, I'mnot a gross mass AI data guy.
That's, I'm, I'm a doctorthat wants to help people live
the best life that they can.
That's what, that's,that's my intention.
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That's my heart.
That's what I do.
And I want people to have their,the right things for themselves
to be able to do that because Iwant that for my kids and myself.
I'm my own patient.
First is, I like to say.
Okay.
I lied.
There's one other question thatjust come, comes to my mind.
It's like, what's, whatDo you struggle with
any of these techniques?
Because I read what youhave, like 92 or more?
It's about 120 to 120 differenttools, ways I can rewire the brain.
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Now,
So, is there something thatyou personally still struggle
with, that you're, you'regrappling for whatever reason?
it's a good question.
I think I sometimes still withmy own DNA, I think I get caught
up in the entrepreneurial game.
Hmm.
So is that moreexternal or internal?
It becomes external.
And I get reminded and I, and I haveto go back to that as a practice to
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remind myself to really govern that.
Because the thing is, isthat if you don't govern
it, it will take you over.
That's right.
Yeah.
Right.
And, but you know, I, I letsometimes do, get caught up in,
all right, let's go do this.
And, and then I, then I needto look at it and I have to
work on that continuouslyto sit and say, ah, hold on.
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And my daily practices thatI have help me get there.
But then you know what,I'm like everybody else.
I can go to a seminar, I can seethis guy do this, I exit and I can
see this be like, maybe I can do it.
And then I'm like, isit what I really want?
Am I willing to trade mylife and what I have now
for that as an outcome?
Hmm.
And I don't know that's the answer,but I have to bring myself down.
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That is something I struggle with.
That's cool.
Thanks for being open.
I know it's a very common one.
I struggle with it here.
Like when I have awesome folkslike yourself, like, oh wow, I
gotta go deeper doing whatever.
It could be a shiny, uh, youknow, we're all dealing with it.
And I feel at this age, evenmore so, social media, ai,
whatever we're learning.
I'll tell you the habit thatI struggle with the most
Yeah.
(44:59):
is social media on the morning.
Hmm.
There you
go.
social media in the morningis my, is my crutch, and I
have to cognizantly like.
Really sit and say, okay,you know, um, I'm gonna
leave my phone outside.
I'm gonna read my book.
I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'mgonna stop and read my book.
I'm gonna think.
And, but we get into this habitand it's just like, and I notice
(45:21):
the days that I do social media inthe morning, I'm more hyperactive,
Ah, you're switching.
Yeah.
Without thinking.
And, and it, that it, ah,
completely.
a lot of folks can relate.
Yeah.
I have my own advices, buthey, thank you for sharing.
This is, this is really awesome.
I love the, uh, the, the chat.
And again, I'll link everything.
Go take your test.
(45:42):
Y'all go learn more.
I'm gonna go to Instagram.
Talk about social mediaand look at some of these
transformations you've been doing.
Absolutely love that.
Hap.
Happy to help.
Thank you for having me.
Appreciate it.
you got it?
Yeah.
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