Dr. Paul Savage: Are You A Toxic Entrepreneur?

Dr. Paul Savage returns to discuss the invisible threat of toxins on Hustle and Flowchart. Having spent three decades in the medical field, Dr. Savage shares his journey from a stressed ER doctor to a leading figure in health optimization. This episode focuses on how toxins affect our health, the importance of measuring them, and ways to combat these threats using innovative solutions like plasma exchange. Join us as we delve into the steps for a healthier lifestyle and the groundbreaking efforts led by Dr. Savage to address these issues.

Dr. Paul Savage’s Journey

Dr. Paul Savage started his career as an ER doctor in Detroit, working long, stressful hours and neglecting his health. By the end of his ten-year stint, his weight had increased drastically, and he was on multiple medications due to poor lifestyle choices exacerbated by stress. This tough lesson prompted him to pursue better health practices. He went back to school, learned about nutrition, exercise, and wellbeing, and underwent a drastic health transformation. As he adopted healthier habits, he realized the need to educate others on maintaining good health and founded BodyLogic MD, which expanded to 70 centers nationwide, focusing on nutrition, exercise, and hormone replacement.

Understanding Toxins and Their Impact

Toxins have become a pervasive threat, with more than 50,000 different substances in the environment and 200 billion tons of chemicals used annually in the United States. Dr. Savage explains how everyday items, from the food we eat to the air we breathe, are contaminated with dangerous chemicals. For instance, water is identified as the number one source of toxins. The alarming stats reveal that these substances lead to serious health issues, including cancer, heart disease, and early-onset Alzheimer's. Dr. Savage stresses that toxins often exist invisibly in our bodies, with symptoms manifesting as severe diseases.

The Importance of Measuring Toxins

To combat these invisible threats, Dr. Savage emphasizes the necessity of measuring toxins in our body. On average, people now carry 13 toxins above optimum levels compared to just three a decade ago. Testing can help identify specific toxins, guiding effective treatment plans. This helps prevent severe health outcomes by taking action based on individual toxin levels. Dr. Savage offers a comprehensive test at MD Lifespan to assess toxin presence in urine, pinpointing specific substances affecting health.

Innovative Solutions: Plasma Exchange

Plasma exchange offers a novel solution to removing multiple toxins from the body. Dr. Savage describes it as an "oil change" for humans, where plasma is replaced with a clean version, albumin, enabling the body to regenerate non-toxic plasma. This process, repeated several times, effectively reduces toxin levels. Research supports its efficacy in slowing or reversing the progression of diseases like Alzheimer's. These procedures offer transformative potential for managing or reversing damage by eliminating the buildup of harmful substances.

Avoiding Toxins in Daily Life

Dr. Savage outlines practical steps for minimizing toxin exposure. He recommends filtering water, cleaning the air at home, and choosing toxin-free foods. He also provides guides on cleaning up one’s living environment available on MD Lifespan's website. Awareness and proactive changes are vital to reducing toxin intake, coupled with measuring one's toxicity levels. Simple actions, such as using HEPA filters and reverse osmosis water filters, can drastically reduce exposure.

The Role of Entrepreneurs in Raising Awareness

Dr. Savage calls for entrepreneurs to help spread awareness about the toxin crisis and its health impacts. As key change-makers, they can leverage their platforms to educate and inform larger communities. Highlighting the need for research and advocacy, Dr. Savage invites support for ongoing...

Episode Transcript

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From signing 10,000 deathcertificates as an ER doctor

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to nearly becoming one himself.
Only at the age of 38,Dr. Paul Savage, who's our
guest today on the show.
He thought he knew medicine, butthat wasn't until he discovered
that there's an invisible threataffecting every single American
and most people around the world.
And also he broke this to me.
This blew my mind that todaythere are over 150, Thousand

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toxins in our environment.
A lot of those actually are insideour homes, inside our offices.
he actually said that one of thefirst symptoms that you see are
diseases like cancer or Alzheimer'sand these things that are happening
a lot sooner in people's lives.
But the thing is, he actuallycame out of retirement.
This guy's an entrepreneur.

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at heart.
He's done what?
Three startups now.
And he actually came out ofretirement to solve this problem.
And he figured out a wayto basically give an oil
change to your body, toreverse a lot of this stuff.
And it's pretty mind blowing.
The stats and the, uh, thestudies that are coming out that
show that this is working areblowing a lot of people's minds.

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And it's really cool.
So he talks about how thefirst thing you got to do
is you need to actually makethis thing, not invisible.
You need to test it.
You need to get the data.
That's actually whatI'm doing right now.
I'm waiting for my results,but he is giving you the
opportunity to do the same.
So his company MDLifespan is awesome.
I actually work closely with them.

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So I've got to learn alot about what they do
over the last year or so.
And, uh, pretty soon I'llshare my toxin test results
But he wanted to give you areally great opportunity to get a
good chunk of money off on theirtoxin test and talk package.
He's saying everyone's got to getthese data points on themselves.

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So you know what you'reup against in this world.
That's very toxic andit's only getting worse.
So again, us as entrepreneurs,we're always optimizing everything.
You got to optimize yourself.
And, uh, you know, I, I went alittle longer right now because
this means a lot to me and I'velearned how this can really change
a lot of lives and, you know, myfamily has been affected by cancers

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and early, you know, heart issuesand things like that, that have.
Knocked a lot of my loved onesout of life way too early.
So do this.
This is why I lovehaving Dr. Savage on.
This is the secondepisode he's been on.
I think it was about a year ago.
So if you want to go learneven more about him, then go
check it out on the podcastor over at hustleandflowchart.

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com.
All right.
Enjoy the episode herewith Dr. Paul Savage.
Dr. Paul, how are you doing today?
I'm happy.
We're round two.
It's been far too long.
It has, Joe.
Thanks for having me on again.
I look forward to catching up andI look forward to talking to your
entrepreneurs and giving themsome really good, sound advice.

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You did the last time youleft an impact for me.
Uh, you know, we talkeda little bit, I think,
about microplastics then.
Now it's become muchmore of a conversation.
Just toxins in general, highperformance, you know, how
we actually are in control.
Of our own being and yeah,you are doing the work.
You're on the front lineYou've been on the front
lines for you know, a lot of

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For three decades,three decades now, yeah.
So I mean
Yelling for three decades aboutprotect your health, protect
your sleep, manage your stress,clean up your life, clean up
your environment, you got to.
let's take us back because Idoubt everyone's heard the first
episode we did which was great andI recommend it It'll be linked up.

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Yeah, it'll be easy to find but youknow, take me back to the er doctor
days where you were Overwhelmed youwere stressed you were smoking you
were doing all these things thatYou I know you're not doing now.
Um, what was the moment thatyou had that shift, that change?
Well, you know, um, coming outof a small Midwestern town,
um, and into a big metropolisof Detroit was shock enough.

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Uh, but after having gone throughmedical school and I did my training
at the world's largest traumacenter in Detroit, um, and it was,
you know, it's, it's a war zone.
I mean, to be honest,it was the 1980s.
Detroit was the mirrorcapital of the world.
And that's where I got my trainingand I went on to become, um, the
attending at night on some of thelargest trauma centers in the world.
Um, in the course of 10 years, Isigned 10, 000 death certificates.

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Um, it was, it was an intense job,and I really didn't learn a lot
of stress management techniques.
So I was so into my job thatI put everything else second.
I didn't work out becauseI worked the night shift.
I would get home at 8 a. m.and I might have two or three
cocktails to wind myself down.
I smoked because Iwas stressed at work.
Um, by the time I finishedthe 10 years, I'd gone from

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150 pounds up to 267 pounds.
Ooh, man, 38.
My whole family dies by65 from heart disease.
Um, so at that point it was, uh, Iwent to my doctors and he was like,
you know, you're really unhealthy.
I was like, yeah, he goes,I'm going to tell you, you're
going to have a heart attackin the next seven years.

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If you don't do something different,forget about making 60, 65,
you're never going to get close.
And I really took that to heartand I went, you know what?
He's right.
And he said, the magic wordsaid, every doctor says to
every patient, you need to eatbetter and get some exercise.
I walked out of his placeand I realized in minutes I
didn't know how to do that.
I was never the sports guy,I was always the book guy.

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You know, and I was always, andI never had problems with weight.
But in the 10 years I put onall that weight from all the
stress and everything that wasgoing on and not sleeping well
and all these different things.
I had a laundry list of medicalproblems by the time I was
38, including heart disease.
And 7 different, 7 differentmedicines and I was like, I
gotta do something different.
But I literally hadto go back to school.
I had to find a nutritionist.

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I had to find an exercise coach.
Then I had to find some doctorswho would actually educate me on
what it means to be health andwell, like Andy Weil and Pam Smith.
And some of the people have been,you know, Ornish and Pritkent.
Um, I got taught by the best and Itook all, and I'm a data aggregator,
so that's my whole entrepreneur.
Everybody goes, what doyou, what do you build?
Anything that has to do with meusing data to make something better.

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Um, so I took all thatinformation and my.
change in the year was Ilost 70 pounds of fat, but
I'm 30 pounds of muscles.
But the most prominent thingwas the lights came back on.
And that's all I can tell you isup to that point, I was living in
a cycle like a hamster and I'd getup and go to work and do stuff.
I'd come home.
I'd be tired to goto bed and get it up.

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And I really didn't give acrap about much of anything.
Uh, it was just work, and all work.
And, um, I really was unhappy,and I was short tempered.
Um, and, uh, I was angry.
And, uh, I didn't have anyrelationships that were
really bonded to me becauseI was too much into my work.
Hmm.
And through all this process,then I got so much better.

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I went into the emergency roomone day and said, I'm leaving.
I'm giving you my noticeof a big high position.
They're like, what areyou going to go do?
I said, I'm going to go opena clinic for guys and teach
guys how to get healthy.
And they're like, insurancedoesn't pay for that.
I said, no, they'regoing to pay cash.
And like, And nobodywill pay cash for that.
Well, but, and that's the wholething is I left in early 2000

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and by 2006, I had 70 centersnationwide called BodyLogicMD and
I was treating guys and women,um, teaching them nutrition and
exercise and hormone replacement andall the things that we knew about
that time to get yourself healthyand had a great time building it.
By the time we got up to 70centers, my business partner,
who is my brother, Didn't wantto build a software system, and

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we needed that to grow further.
We just didn't have thetechnology at that point.
This was 2007.
So I ended up sharing my, sellingmy shares to him, and I went out
and built a software company.
Now, the interesting thingis, in building all those 70
centers, I lost my health again.
I got so into the work.
I got so into the project.
I, I didn't, my exercisegot pushed out of the way.

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I pretty much started eatingon the fly again and it wasn't
very long until I'm up over200 pounds, 230 pounds again
and not feeling in great shape.
And by the time I leftbody logic and the body
logic MD was named company.
By the time I left it, I spent aboutsix months doing nothing except
getting my bearings back to school.
Why did I slip up?

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And the answer, theanswer is very, very easy.
Mindfulness.
I forgot to keep myself first.
And my habit is toalways put work first.
And I know that's a lot of theguys and a lot of the women out
there are doing the same thing.
They, they forget there'san order to the universe.
And whether you believe in aGod or a higher power, let me

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tell you something, there'ssomething bigger than you.
And we can all agree that acommunity, something's bigger than
you, above you, then there's you.
And then there's your familyand friends, and then there's
work and everything else.
And if you don't keep that order inalignment, you're going to get sick.
Yes.
what I did.
I put work at the top of the list.
Um, and then everything above me.

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And so, I got sick again, so Ihad to go back and reconstruct
everything I did before.
Luckily, Um, the habits were there.
I lost them, but they came backrelatively simple as soon as
I realized what I was doingwrong and I got healthy again.
And then I went out and builta software company and we had 6
million users and I sold that off.
Then I went out and built 27centers more and I sold those off.

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And then I retired at 60,feeling pretty damn good
about myself having done that.
A lot in the world of medicineon proving vitamins work, getting
steroids out of the steroid act,proving, you know, proving these
lab tests for your GI systemand the microbiome actually are
functional and you need to knowwhat your gut is if you want to
know what you are and putting allof these things together with two

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university fellowship programs toteach other doctors how to do this.
It was an amazing trip and Ithought, you know, I'm going
to go retire into Brazil now.
I'm going to lie in the sun and I'mgoing to think of what to do next.
And that's kind ofwhere the story starts.
Yeah.
MD lifespan.
That's where we're at now.
And, uh, it said behind you and thenI've been doing some work with you.
So I do know it quite well.

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And it's fascinating.
You know, when we first had thatfirst, uh, conversation on this
show, I didn't know as much,but now and pretty soon I'll
be, I'll be getting the toxintest done, which I know that's
something that you offer as well.
It's kind of like thestarting point, right?
And we'll talk about that shortly.
I don't want to, I don't want toleave there yet because I want to
talk about setting the scene becauseIt seemed like you had a shift,

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you know, in that laying on thebeach out there in Brazil, feeling
good, eating healthy food, right?
Toxin free food for the most part.
I'm
Pretty much.
And the nutrients The nutrientvalue of the food in Brazil is
twice as high as that in theUnited States because they don't
use, they don't use pesticides.
They don't use herbicides.
They still rotate and burn crops.

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They do all the right things tokeep the ground healthy that we
don't do in the United States.
We just keep plowing it overand adding ammonia nitrate and
basically we're depleted the soil,which is why it's really the real
quick story is when we bought ourhouse and we bought it furnished,
But the furnishing of the kitchenwas only a pot and two forks.
That's what we had a pot too.
So we went out to the storecause nothing was open and

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we bought some chicken.
We thought we're goingto boil chicken, right?
We just boiled the chicken.
Just simple, best flavoredchicken you've ever had.
I mean, it was years beforeI'm like, holy, we're both
looking at each other.
Like, holy crap, this is so good.
And
like a different colorand everything, huh?
well, I mean, it's just, youknow, the, the fact is our
eggs in Brazil are orange.

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on the inside.
Here they're pale yellow.
The chicken, the chicken there isjuicy and it tastes like chicken.
Here it's kind oflike dried cardboard.
You get a chicken breast and it'slike, yeah, it doesn't have really
any good flavor to it because wepack all these chickens together,
we give them a whole bunch ofantibiotics, steroids, yet in Brazil
they don't do any of that stuff.
And so it's just the differencebetween the fruits when you put them

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in your mouth and they explode andthe fruits here you put them and
it's obvious, but it happens withevery traveler who leaves the United
States, if you go to France or anyof the European Union, because they
don't use any of the toxins andthose and their food chain either.
Or South America almost entirelyis out of that loop because they
don't let DuPont, Dow, Monsanto,any of those guys in there.

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And you sit there and you get, eatthe food and you just realize what
a difference has it changed in thelast 30 years in the United States.
And food is your best medicine.
If you don't have good qualityfood, you're not, you're not
doing what you need to doto keep yourself healthy.
I mean, that's the first line oftherapy against everything bad.

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yeah, every day and I can relate Iremember going spending some time
in Spain even Morocco had chickenthere Yeah, the eggs are all yellow
The chicken tastes completelydifferent because it was farmed
right there in Moroccan Yeah, thehouse and property had cut off
and cooked and it was amazing.
Yeah,
You can, you can still getthat quality food here in the
United States, but you haveto know where to purchase
absolutely.

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And one of the things we'll do ismake sure you have a link so that
all your readers can come in toget our guides, because we have
guidebooks regarding how to cleanup your water, how to clean up
your food, how to clean up yourair, how to clean up your house,
how to clean up your consumerproducts, because you don't need,
most people don't need plasmaexchanges, which we'll talk about,
but what they do need is knowledge.
Yes Yes, That's what took youout of retirement, not to burst

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the bubble here, but you know,we have a toxin crisis and I've
learned it a lot from you, butI mean, let's just flip on any
kind of media at this point.
It's being talked about big media,small media, all of the above.
So tell me about, I read a stat andI think it was from you, but also
I've checked it in other places.
It's like 144, 000 differenttoxins that are in our

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environment.
we're over 150, 000 now in ourenvironment, and we're over 200
billion tons of chemicals dumpedin America alone every year.
Jeez.
So what
Take in that, take inthat number for a minute.
200 billion tons.
2 billion tons that, that,
200 billion tons of chemicalsare used in the United States

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on our farmlands every year.
I think it was our last chat.
You talked about how it waslike the middle of America,
but it's expanding out andit's that what you're speaking
I mean, if we're talking aboutthe pesticide herbicides, it's,
it started in the, in the OhioValley, Mississippi Valley,
and now it's gone worldwide.
If you're talking about theindustrial chemicals, like

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the PFAs, that started on thecoast and it's going inward.
So, it really depends on whichtoxin you're talking about,
on how it got distributedthrough the United States.
But, you look at the statisticsin the world, uh, most
polluted countries, the UnitedStates, China, and the UAE
are one, two, and three last.
We're dead last.
So what do we do about that?

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I mean, that's a loadedquestion, of course,
Well, I mean, they, what wehave to do about that is get
knowledge around so that peoplestart understanding what Stephen
Hawking said before he died.
Stephen Hawking was interviewedabout a month before he died, and
they asked him, what is the mostexistential threat to mankind?
Is it AI?
And he said, no.
They said, climate change?

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No.
Nuclear war?
No.
What is it?
He goes, pollution and our stupidityto it, and the problem is we passed
that milestone ten years ago.
In other words, he's right.
About 2015, things changed.
And the level of toxinsin our environment came to
be such a point that noweverybody in America is toxic.

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Even the government willadmit that when they talk
about the forever chemicals.
99 percent of peoplehave a forever chemical.
That's a PFA.
PFA's are things like,things that make things
non stick and non greasy.
But the problem is it's a chainof carbon, uh, carbon atoms
with a fluoride on the bottom.
And the thing about it,you can't break it down.
That's impossible to break.
That's why it makes it so slippery.

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And once it's in you,you can't get rid of it.
It's forever a chemical in you.
And up to this point, evenon the CDC website, talking
about PFAs, they say thereis no way to get them out.
The best we can do is avoidputting them in, but there's now
200, 000 PFAs in our environment,and that's gone up from 5,
000 in the last four years.

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Oh my gosh.
So we know.
slowing down.
I would imagine.
Right.
It's, it's actually ramping up.
And that's the problem is in thenext 10 years, we're gonna double
the toxicity of every American.
Now, we did a study in Chicagoof 500 healthy people between
the age of 45 and 70, andwe measured their toxins.
Half women, half men out of ahundred of the most common toxins.

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Now get this, we can onlymeasure a hundred out of 150,000.
Okay?
So we're measuring oneless than one 1000.
of a percent of the, of thewhole thing, or sorry, one 10th
of a percent of the whole thing.
Um, and the average number of toxinsin people 10 years ago was three.

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The average number of toxins perperson now is 13 of a hundred
that they have in levels that areconsidered higher than optimum,
you know, whatever, optimum,optimum zero, optimum zero.
These ranges have changed inthe last 20 years because every
time the government measures thescale they up the numbers and
now that becomes a normal range.

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But if we compare the numbersof today from 40 years ago,
everybody is like super toxic.
that's the part that I'm trying toget out to the message to people
is you don't know what toxins youhave in you because you know what
the first symptom of toxins are?
what is it?
Cancer.
They're toxic.
Alzheimer's, uh, heart attack, asyour first symptom is a disease,

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Yeah.
Bad one too.
Yeah.
It
and a bad one.
I mean, it's like, I have,that's why we're seeing the
cancer in the 50 year oldsthat we've never seen before.
And these cancer are highlyaggressive out of the gate.
is there a common type of cancerthat you're seeing pop up earlier?
The gastric cancers arethe ones that are, we
started seeing the most.
Now, three years ago, thegovernment put out a notice that

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we're starting to see gastriccancers, stomach, esophageal,
colon, in people under the age of50 that we'd never seen before,
and they're much more aggressive.
There were four cancers they listed.
The next year, they listed 17cancers that are much, and this
year they're going to be listingabout 36 cancers, and the number
is going to keep going up becausetoxins are inducing gastric cancer.

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Every sort of cancer.
Because toxins are, bynature, carcinogens.
it's, it's almost like there's,yeah, I'm thinking of like
entrepreneurs like us and the oneslistening, watching, we optimize
so much in our life, you know,and, and that's kind of where
we, like, we get so sucked intolet's, let's make it better,
or let's solve these problems.

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But this is an invisiblethreat that we are living in.
We're.
It's, how do we, it's, it'sso hard to overlook this,
but we just don't see it.
So it's,
I find it so difficultas well, you know?
But there's a hundred percent.
I mean, 40 years ago, we usedto talk about hypertension being
the silent killer because peopledidn't take their blood pressure.
People really didn't know.

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Then we talked about diabetesbeing the silent killer because
people had low grade because type 2diabetes didn't exist 60 years ago.
Really?
It's been a phenomenonof the last 60 years.
Which is probably alsolinked to the toxins as well.
But, and then we talked aboutdiabetes being the silent killer.
But now we know peoplemeasure their blood sugar.
So the common thread betweenan unknown threat becoming a

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known threat is measuring it.
And that's what peoplearen't doing yet.
They're not measuring their toxins.
If they measure theirtoxins, then you can act.
so describe how things are measured.
Cause I know MD lifespan, youand your, your whole team,
you have a test for this.
The toxin test.
I know you also have a, Idon't know if you even want it.

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Let's describe it.
But I also want to quickly just tellpeople, here's a way to go get it.
Uh, but lay the scene.
What is it?
How does it work?
Toxin testing, youcan test anything.
You can test your saliva,your blood, your urine,
your stool, your hair.
There's, it doesn't reallymatter which way you do it.
Just with, make sure thatyou do a validated lab

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and you have a reputant.
I can list a dozen different ones.
Now, we have a test that's listedon our website that gives you
109 different of the most commontoxins of the whole spectrum.
And we're talking about PFAs,and we're talking about heavy
metals, mold toxins, phthalates,phenols, volatile chemicals.

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You get the whole broadspectrum that you can do with
a simple urine test at home.
You get up, you pee in the cupin the morning, you send the tube
off, four weeks later you get areport with 110 different toxins.
I mean, that's easy enough.
So maybe
you're gonna find out.
You're gonna
I'm like, I'm going to report back.
I'll probably time it out.

(20:55):
I'll either put it in thisepisode as an intro or
splice it in something.
I'll be sharing my results as longas I'm not super frightened by them.
Um, I try to live well, 150,
The average number of toxins, theaverage number of toxins in the
Chicagoland area was 13, with 5of them being in the above 95th
percentile, and 8 of them beingin the 75th percentile above it.

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So, anything above 75 percentis where we start talking about
you're in the upper percentilesof these level of toxins as
compared to other Americans in theworld, or in the United States.
But there's a difference alsobetween looking at the various
toxins, because some toxinsare worse than other toxins.
The toxins that are carcinogensand the ones that cause oxidative
stress and mitochondrial damage,they're by far the worst.

(21:39):
But there's also ones that messwith your hormones, there's ones
that burn cellular membranes,there's ones that, you know, there's
just a whole, that's why we callthem toxins, because they're bad.
Now, it's really important tounderstand that 20 years ago, The
toxicology world only talked aboutyou had mercury toxic, or you had
PFA toxics, or you had a mold toxin.

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They never talked about what was,there were some people back then
that were calling about multichemical sensitivities, MCS.
Um, they were like,eh, that doesn't exist.
Now, it's here.
Nobody has just one toxin anymore.
Nobody.
Everybody has a dozen or more.
And the problem is, to get out onetoxin you have to do this, and to

(22:20):
get out another toxin you have todo that, and it's a long, laborious,
drawn out procedure, and then youhave to follow one type of treatment
by another type of treatment, andthat's what became overwhelming
for everybody in the toxicologyworld is We have this multi toxic
world now, with people havingmulti toxins, and understand, let
me give you a real quick example.

(22:41):
Would you rather be attacked,um, by a 5 foot, or by a 5 foot
guy, or by 150, 000 3 foot guys?
Would
000.
have 150,
No doubt.
3 foot guys?
No!
Come on, you can take out, youcan take out one guy, you're
never gonna take out 150, 000
that's what I meant.

(23:02):
That's what I meant.
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, it'snothing, there's just that.
And that's what we'redealing with today.
We're not dealing withyou having one toxin.
We're dealing with you havinga little bit of all of them.
And that's what everybody has now.
And that's what wecall a toxic burden.
We stopped talking aboutmercury toxin and mold toxin.
What we talk about, people, nowis what's your toxic burden?
Because a little bit of this,a little bit of this, a little

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bit of this, a little bit ofthis adds up to a lot of crap.
Uh huh.
Uh
And it all acts synergisticallyagainst your body.
Got it.
Okay.
And, and there was never oneway to take them all out until
we came up with our protocol.
And now we have them discovered andpatented and we're branching out.
We came up with a protocol thatvirtually safely, effectively,

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minimally, evasively, anduniversally removes all toxins.
So, if you're afraid that you'regoing to get Alzheimer's because
you have toxins or Parkinson's,we can get rid of them.
If you're afraid your DNA isthat you're going to get cancer
and you're worried about yourtoxins, we can get rid of them.
I mean, we can do all these things.
You got heart disease in yourfamily, and you know that toxins
and microplastics, did you knowthat if you have microplastics in

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your arteries, which one out oftwo out of three guys do, your risk
for heart disease goes up 450%?
I, I was actually gonna bring upmicroplastics because I did not know
that artery and that's a two thirdsof men or what is that everyone, uh,
has
Two thirds of everyone hasmicroplastics in their artery,

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which is increasing their riskfor heart disease by 450%.
and heart disease is numberone killer currently.
Correct.
Correct.
Correct.
Correct.
Although the Alzheimer's and thecancers in the world are coming up
fast because we're not seeing heartdisease yet in the younger people,
although it will be coming becauseof the obesity and everything, but
we are seeing Alzheimer's at a 400percent increase in the group under

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50, and we're seeing the cancersat a huge increase, especially
the gastrointestinal cancers.
At a rapid rate that we can't evenkeep up with, even though cancer
therapies are prolonging people'slives, and we're getting better at
treating them, and people are older.
These cancers that are occurringin these younger people
are not the same cancers.
These are highly aggressivestage four terminal cancers

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that are presenting terminal.
Yeah.
There's no other way.
the, and this is the part thatI tell everybody, go get your, I
mean, this is the first time everthe United States government, and
ever, dropped the age requirementfor colonoscopies to 45, because
we were missing so many peoplebetween the age of 45 and 50, and
then they dropped mammograms to 40.

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Because we're missing so manybreast cancers because of all
the BPA and all the other, uh,estrogen blocking hormones.
I mean, this is, people, and ifpeople like, you know, autism,
here's another thing thatthey talk about all the time.
Autism used to be 1kids back in 1960.
It's now 1 in 36 kids today.
And they're saying that'sbecause we're, that's because

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we're diagnosing it better.
Bullshit.
That's because the mostsusceptible person on the
planet is the unborn child.
You expose the unborn child.
We know that on average theunborn child is exposed to 270
chemicals and they have, theyhave microplastics in their
first poop, their meconium.
So we know that these toxinsget across the barrier.

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On a child that's inthe developmental stage.
Does this even surprise you anymore?
I don't know if surpriseor anger is a better word.
I get frustrated when I,when, when, when it's like,
people, this is the data.
And they're like, well,it's not the toxins.
Well, what else could it be?
And the answer is, you know, until,but until recently, until we came

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up with the process of removingtoxins, now we can actually start
doing studies to see how prevalentthe toxins are in causing this,
because to do a study, you gottado two of one, one of two things.
Take two healthy groups and makeone group toxin and watch them
going forward, which is unethical.
We're never going to do that.
Or.
Take two groups that are toxin, makeone toxin free, which we've never

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been able to do before until now,and then watch them go forward.
Now we can start doing thestudies on moving these things
forward to show how dangerous thetoxins are to every individual
on every different plane.
is just, it's a, it's a threat.
It's this invisible threat,but it comes in many
forms like you described.
I mean, it's literally inevery piece of our environment.

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I mean, and so
let's remember, Joe, blood pressureused to be an invisible threat.
Diabetes used to bean invisible threat.
It's invisible becausewe didn't measure it.
Hmm.
Yes.
There
It's not an invisible threat.
We can measure it now.
We can tell you whatyour microplastics are.
We can tell you what yourheavy metals, what your,
uh, what your PFA is.

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We can tell you all this, andthen we can tell you how to keep
yourself clean, or if you needto, how to do plasmapheresis.
to get rid of this.
Now, the one thing that ourgroup did, and I'm working
with 27 of the best nationalauthorities on toxicology and
functional medicine and apheresis.
I got some of the most brilliantminds from Harvard and John Hopkins
and from all, and we're all workingtogether on this project because

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we see the potential in this.
We see the potential for the firsttime in our lifetime to reverse
the toxic threat on people.
And what we're noticing with ourprotocol, because our protocol is
more than just plasma exchange,it's plasma exchange with.
avoidance and supplements andnutrients and other things that
we have to do to optimize people'swell being and because of that

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we can for the first time evergive people a chance to proceed
forward without the risk that thesechemicals are posing on everyone.
That's right.
So in the first episode, Iknow we talked a lot about
the avoidance side of toxinsthat that was a big one.
And you could revisit that.
I'm curious if you could just like,because there's the avoidance side,
but that obviously doesn't do what'salready inside of you, you know,

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and I want to then kind of turnthe table and really go into what
your plasma exchange protocol does.
So let's start with theavoidance side, just high
Well, I mean, the right, theright inside real high level
is filter your water, filteryour air, clean your food, get
rid of the chemicals and lookat all your consumer products.

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And we'll have links for you.
People can go on to our websiteand download all these guidebooks.
Because what we want to do is showyou these simple steps for less
than 5, 000 if you did all of them.
It's going to clean up yourenvironment incredibly well.
And prevent you and yourkids and your loved ones from
getting sick down the road.

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yes, that's good.
that's, that's the big thingthat we try to teach everyone.
So the plasma exchange is somethingthat is a little frightening to
people because a lot of peoplehaven't heard of it before.
Plasma exchange is simplyan oil change for humans.
Now, if you want to get an oldcar clean that hasn't been, you
know, upkept for a while, youchange the oil, put new oil in,

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run it around the block for acouple weeks, change, take out the
dirty oil again, put new oil in,run it around the block a couple
weeks, and keep doing this wholething over and over until the oil
starts running clean, correct?
Yep.
Yep.
That's it.
Now some of your younger kids maygo, What do you mean oil change?
But that's how you doan oil change on a car.
And that's what you do before youdo anything else on an old car.
Is you just keep changing theoil until you get it clean.

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That's exactly whatplasma freezes is.
You come into the office, you'rehere for a couple hours, we put an
IV in, Just like a plasma donation,we separate the blood into two
components, the cells and theplasma, which is the liquid part.
We throw the liquid part away,we give you a different liquid
part called albumin, we giveit back to you, and then within
24 hours, you, your body, yourcells, makes new, fresh, non

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toxic, non inflammed, pure plasma.
And we basically gaveyou an oil change.
And then we let you go run aroundfor about four weeks, and then we
bring you back and we do it again.
And then we let you go outfor about four weeks, and you
come back and we do it again.
We do that three to five times,depending on how toxic you are.
And that's what plasmapheresis is.

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It's been around for 50 years.
It's used for 167different disease states.
People are like, why didn't Inever hear about this before?
Because it's not a primarytherapy for anything.
We use it for a third andfourth line therapy for things
like Guillain Barre, which isa paralyzing that comes from a
virus, or long COVID is the mostcommon one, or autoimmune problems.

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That's most commonly whatwe use plasma exchange for.
And also, it's very important torealize, when I'm talking about
plasma exchange, I'm talking aboutplasma exchange with albumin,
not with somebody else's plasma.
So we're giving you acommercial product, we're not
giving you a blood product.
And that's what I was gonna askis can you define what albumin is?
I looked it up.
I want to hear from, from you here.

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Albumin is the most common proteinthat you have in your body and
it's a carrier for a bunch of stuffbecause your body, your blood is
water and there's a lot of thingsthat are fat that float around
and they can hide inside albuminso the albumin protects them so
they can float through the river.
But albumin also grabs toxins andit wraps itself around them so that

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it doesn't interact with the body.
So it's also
shielding it in a way.
It's what we call sequesters.
It kind of hides itaway and traps it.
But it also directs it into fatcells and tells the toxins to
get out of the way and hidesthem in different places too.
So albumin is an incrediblyimportant protein to people.
Now, the albumin that weuse is commercial albumin.

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So it's somebody that gaveplasma, but it's been stomped
on and purified and radiatedand everything killed.
And all we're giving you back isessentially the human protein part.
So that's also what we call osmotic.
So it means it sucks in waterand it keeps the vascular space
open until you make enough plasmathe next day that you replace.
Like I said, Joe, thisprocedure is safe.

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minimal side effects.
Um, it's been around for 50 years.
There's a machine and people can goto our YouTube page or our LinkedIn
page and they can see the wholevideo of what the machine looks like
and what the whole process is like.
Because you know, you walk inand you hear this big whirling
machine going on behind youlike, wow, what's going on here?
You know, your blood's leaving yourbody and get clean to come back in.

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But it's a real simple procedure.
Matter of fact, I just had myfourth one done about two days
back, a little bruise here.
and a little tiny bruise here,um, because I was the first
patient two years ago thatwent through the process.
Wow.
I had 17 toxins above the 75 range.
After three differentplasma exchanges plus our
protocol, I was down to six.

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Six months later,I was down to four.
six, a year later,I was down to three.
And then this one, two years, I'mat two years now, I'm down to two.
But the two that were remainingwere PFA's, the forever
chemicals, which don't comeout short of plasmid chain.
So we were training some newnurses because we have six new
centers coming, uh, going live.
And so they're trainedhere in Chicago.

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And so I volunteered to beone of the dummy guinea pigs.
We'll get you on that next time.
I would love to.
Yeah, that's whatI was going to say.
I'm like, I will begetting this treatment.
So I'll report back that as well.
And it, I mean, I'm justthinking of what this can do.
We mentioned microplastics, youknow, removing those from arteries.
I mean, just, you know, I can almostvisualize that, you know, just the

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idea of microplastics and like,oh, this can actually remove them.
So, but obviously there's way moretoxins than just microplastics
floating around there.
In all honesty, if you're, hey,Dr. Savage, name the top five
toxins that you're afraid of.
Microplastics are number one.
Okay.
they're linked to everything bad.
Um, they come inall different sizes.
They go down to the DNA size,what we call nanoparticles.

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And so they'reinterfering with the DNA.
They're at its particle size,so they're causing inflammation.
They act as invaders, so they'resuppressing the immune system.
I mean, they act on allsorts of different levels.
On every single level,they're bad for yourselves.
Yeah.
Yeah, and I'm sure there'smany toxins within the
microplastics themselves,
right now we can measure ninedifferent microplastics, um, and

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there's thousands of differentmicroplastics in the universe.
Gotcha.
Yeah, I started to learn about thisfrom you guys and working with you.
Yeah, and and I had What idealiving well aqua true, you know,
they I had one of the represent.
Yeah Helen from there.
She was
Which is, which is, which is, whichis one of the ones we recommend.
If you, if you have an above thecounter one, get AquaTru, because it

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really does remove the vast majorityof the toxins and you, I get, I
only drink out of stainless steel.
You got your stainlesssteel, hard rubber top.
Um, this is clean canteen.
Um, And we have a triple filterreverse osmosis here in the office.
I have one at home.
I have one in Brazil and that's alland I go everywhere with my water.

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I don't drink water because wateris your number one toxin nowadays.
Number one.
Wow.
food, the food is next and thenyour environment air in your house
is third and people don't realizethat you're the air inside your
office and the air inside yourhome is 500 times, 500 percent
worse than the air outside.

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Is that just because cyclingthrough all of the different things
that's passing through machines?
partly because we use chemicalsin the house and they stay on the
floor and the walls and the and thenthey slowly seep off into the air.
The other part is every fabrichas chemicals like phthalates
and and they just slowly.
Hmm.
stink up the air around you too.

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Then there's the mold andmold spores and mold seeds
and they just circulate.
There's everything in your house.
You close up your house.
You crank up the heat and now you'rein a sweat box with chemicals.
You're literally sucking them intoyour body with all the heat and
the way that you're increasingthe surface, you know, the surface
tension and the absorption of yourskin by dilating all the veins.
And you're just, andyou're breathing it in.

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It's all respiratory.
You're swallowing it.
It's going through your gut.
And I tell people all the time,if you're going to do anything.
And you can't afford much, buya HEPA filter for your bedroom.
Because at least that's eighthours of your day in one room
that you're going to be in.
So that's, if you're going to,only can afford a HEPA for one
room, put it in your bedroom.
You got two, you can afford two,put the other one in your office.
Hmm.

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Hmm.
And, and whenever you can, openthe doors, open the doors, open
the windows, and air it out.
Because the air outside issafer than the air inside.
Hmm.
That's a great takeaway right there.
I'm going to go buy acouple more filters.
How about filters?
I actually moved mine from myroom to my infant at the time.
But yeah, she's a one year old now.
I'm like, okay, got togive you the fresh air.

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So let me give you the realexciting news of what we're doing.
We've got some really gooddevelopments in the last two months.
We've now taken the plasmaprocedure, because we don't
do just plasma change.
We teach people avoidance,we have supplements, we
have different medications.
That makes it 200 percent betterthan just plasma change alone.
And we have the data, it's going tobe published here very shortly in

(37:44):
a peer reviewed, um, major journal.
We're looking at probably next monththat we have three articles coming
out on heavy metal, microplastics,and environmental toxins.
Thanks.
But what, what our group did is,okay, now we got the toxins out.
We know it causes Alzheimer's.
We know it causes brain dysfunction,neurodegenerative disease.
Why don't we take somepatients, and why don't we
take the toxins out, and thenwhy don't we start doing some

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regenerative therapies afterwards?
Here's how it works.
All of these neurodegenerativediseases are basically a
fight, a battle that's going oninside, let's say, the brain.
over toxins versus your immunesystem, with your brain cells
being the damaged collateral.
But as long as the battle'sgoing on or the fire is raging,
the healing can't take place.

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The foresters don't go into plant the trees when
the trees are on fire.
That's why this, all youget is this degeneration.
We've known from a study in 2020on Alzheimer's, that they gave
people TPE with Alzheimer's, and62 percent of them did not progress
in their disease for over a year.
It basically stalled theprogression of Alzheimer's.

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We don't even have a drugthat does that at this
point.
but but they do have it witha serial plasma exchange.
So we based our protocol onthat, plus the supplements and
neuropeptides and other things thatregenerate the cells afterwards.
And we've had six patientsso far that we've improved
their memory score over 40%.
Memory score.
Wow.

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So literally bring it back.
They're co, they're,they're cognition.
We do it by what'scalled a CNS vital sign.
It's a validated test where wemeasure your cognition, your
verbal memory, your visualmemory, your motor skills,
all these different things.
And we've seen a 40% improvementin neurocognition flexibility,
executive function, and memory,
Wow.
So if we're talking aboutlike just entrepreneurs

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listening, I mean, this is likea total performance reboot.
only do we know that taking thetoxins out will slow the progression
and onset of the disease, early inthe disease we appear to have the
ability to remove these toxins,turn off the fire, repair the
cells, and we're a year out, andour gentleman who's a year out just
did his CNS vital score with an 18percent further improvement in his

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medical, uh, in his memory score.
Now, this is observational data, butwe have this for cognitive decline.
We've taken six patientswith early cancer markers.
We've reverted all of them tonegative within three treatments.
We've taken people who have HIV andtheir CD4 counts are falling under
400 on medications, and we've beenable to increase their CD4 counts
to 700 by just doing plasma change.

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We've taken, so we've taken peoplewith early heart disease or not,
sorry, advanced heart disease whoare maxed out on their medicine
and still progressing becauseof inflammation and oxidation.
We've been able to neutralizethat and show regression
in the soft plaque.
Okay.
So not only can we stop theprogression and the threat of
toxins early on, it looks and itappears from our observational data

(40:35):
that we can actually reverse thedamage once we turn the toxins off.
Disclaimer, this is allobservational data on our patients,
and we are, however, the greatnews, we've just been approved for
our research arm, it's a IRB, uh,IRB, non for profit, so we have a
company being set up where peoplecan, will, people will come and

(40:56):
donate, we have, we need aboutthree million dollars to prove
that we can reverse early cognitivedecline, which we know we can do.
We need 2.
7 million to prove we can removetoxins from all the moms before
they get pregnant with their kids.
We need 2.
6 million to prove thatwe can get toxins out of
everybody at every stage.
I mean, it's the amount of moneyneeded to look at these disease

(41:19):
states for the first time ago.
We have a solution here.
It's going to cost acouple million dollars.
We're very excited because wehave a lot of people looking
to contribute tax free dollarsto this, this research arm.
Um, the data is compelling.
We have a data research companythat published all of our data
out of the university of Chicagois the off branch of them.
I don't touch the data.

(41:39):
It goes to them.
They do all of our analysis.
They do all our paper writing.
They've been studying Alzheimer'sand heart disease for 40 years.
They have said publicly thatthey've never seen changes.
That we've been showing in thelast two years, in the area of
heart disease and Alzheimer's.
We have a neurologist fromJacksonville who's a very well
known, with a very prestigiousfootball team, who said he's

(42:01):
never seen these kind ofreversals in his patients.
We got a cardi, we have threedifferent cardiologists that are
saying they've never seen changeslike this, and what we're doing
with their people with, um, endstage, uh, cardiovascular disease.
We have HIV doctors who said they'dnever seen anybody like this, where
we've increased their CD4 countsand doubled it within about four
months and a year later, thesepeople are still at these levels.

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We have an obstetrics doctorwho has publicly said she is
absolutely certain we removethe toxins from mom, you're
going to have a toxin free baby,which, what does that mean?
Maybe it means less autismrate, less ADHD, less,
uh, spectrum disease.
We all think that this is, we'rethink we're on to something huge
here, because if the toxins arethe cause of chronic inflammation,

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and they are, once you remove them,you turn off chronic inflammation,
you turn off chronic inflammatorydiseases, which is everything bad.
Inflammation's horrible.
Yeah, that is the thing.
And you can do as much as youcan with food, and you should.
But when you're
But if you don't get the toxinsout, you don't turn off the fire.
This is what we'veknown for a long time.

(43:07):
I can give you supplements,antioxidants, and anti
inflammatories, which negate theinflammation and the oxidation,
but it doesn't take care ofthe fact that the toxins are
there, causing the damage.
man, yeah.
way to do that is to get the toxinsout, and then the inflammation
and oxidation go away anyway.
I was gonna ask you, hey, doyou have any, uh, you know,
big transformation, you know,things that we could You

(43:28):
just gave me about 20 or 30.
I don't know how many of thatwas, and I'm so excited about
the nonprofit side of testing,because I think that's going
to help get the word out.
I mean, if you're, and ifanyone listening, watching, I
mean, go, go find, you know,go reach out to MD lifespan.
com.
And you know, if you want to getinvolved, I'm just saying this
Well, I'll, I'll pointthem to the not for profit.

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That's a separate organizationthat's managing the donation
and the, the research funding.
I don't have anythingto do with that.
I'm the guy that they pay to dothe plasma change, but we're doing
it at, we're doing it at a not,not profit at this point because
we just want, our physicians, our,like I said, we're opening six new
centers in the next two months.
We have 20 centers that we'redoing in this, this whole year.

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And our whole group has dedicatedthemselves to make sure.
We're a public benefitcorporation, by the way.
That's how serious we areabout serving the public.
We will not make a profit,we will serve the public.
This is, so many doctorsand so many centers, we
don't want to make a profit.
We want to show that we canmake an impact for the first
time in our life on thegreatest existential threat to

(44:31):
mankind, which is the toxin.
So, I have just a group ofdoctors who are real, I'm
excited and thrilled to be ableto say we're part of something
here that nobody's ever been,that nobody's ever seen before.
Oh, yeah.
Well, and this is why, I mean,partially self, I just want
to see you on more podcasts.

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I want to see on more media becauseof what you're talking about.
And I'm just going to say righthere, because you know, if
you, if this is landing withanyone listening, cause I know
a lot of you are watching,have your own media and, and.
This isn't something that'sjust a, you know, this is a
medical topic where this is like,why does he have them on this
entrepreneurial business show
or humans?

(45:12):
yeah.
Three of the top mold doctorsin the country now recommend
MD Lifespan for their patientswho have mold toxicity.
I mean, so it's like, and theseare the people that for years
were told, uh, it's not real,you don't have it, you're just
tired, you're just malingering.
And I used to be one ofthose docs 30 years ago.
They used to tell thesepeople, yeah, this is bullshit.
Uh, and now I look at all thesepatients, I've seen them for

(45:35):
30 years and I realized howwrong we were to classify them.
And whether it's mold toxicityor people with chronic Lyme's or
people with chronic infections,the problem with those, most of the
people like with the HIV patientsis their immune system has been so
crippled by the toxins that theycan't mount the proper defense.
And there's plenty of researchout there to show this is true.

(45:57):
There was, there was a studywhere they gave people arsenic
and then, uh, 90 days later,90 percent were better.
They gave them lime, 90 dayslater, 90 percent were better.
They gave them limeand then arsenic.
90 days, 90 percent were better.
But then they gave them arsenicand then lime and 90 days
later, 90 percent of them aresick with chronic fatigue.

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Because once the arsenic knocksout the immune system and then
you give them an infection, that'sthe setup for chronic fatigue.
And you won't get people out ofchronic fatigue, infectious chronic
fatigue, by just treating the lime.
You gotta treat the toxin first,because that's what came first.
Uh, okay.
And I'm sure that's the storylinefor all these toxins, you know, is

(46:41):
For all these toxins, the toxinscome first, and then people
get an immune suppressant.
The toxins come first,and then they get cancer.
The toxin comes first, thenthey get neurodegenerative.
Here's the magic sentence.
Toxins take you out whereyour DNA is the weakest.
So if your family history iscancer, that's what the toxins
are going to do for you.
If your family history isAlzheimer, that's what the

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toxins are going to do for you.
If your family history isheart disease, that's what
the toxins They're going toexpedite, because that's what
chronic inflammation does.
the, the expressionof that disease in
Yeah, because there's uh, youknow in my family and also my
wife's family there are a couplemarkers that and After working
or as you know, as we've beenworking together and every I keep

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listening and thinking and learningI'm like we both need this, you
know the plasma exchange andand I mean, there's just so many
other folks I just have no clue.
This is even possible.
Honestly, Joe, you may ormay not need plasmic change.
It depends on what your toxiclevel and what your DNA is, but
you don't know unless you measure.
There you go.
That, that's the point.

(47:43):
I mean, it's just likeyou might need diabetic
medicine or diabetic therapy.
You might or might not needmedicine for your blood
pressure or different.
You don't know until you measure it.
The message I want to make sureall the entrepreneurs here for
everybody who cares about theirfamily, loved one, and every about
them is go get your toxins tested.
I don't care where youcan come to our website.

(48:03):
We have a very comprehensive test.
Plus it involves 30, 30 minuteswith one of our doctors.
Yeah.
Staff members, not nurses.
We get our doctors to talkto you for 30 minutes about
what that means for you.
Hmm.
Got
But you don't knowuntil you measure.
So everybody go measure yourselves.
I'm getting mine done.
I'll report back.
And, um, and I know there's a,there's a little special deal that

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your team is working on as well.
Yeah, always for your team.
Always for your team.
There's going to be a code thatthey'll be 100 percent off or 100
off that, whatever that code is.
My, my, my teamworks great with you.
Yep.
Thank you.
Yeah.
And uh, it's either shown onthe screen, probably there,
and it'll be linked up.
It'll be easy to find.
So jump on that.
There might even bea, a limit, who knows?
But either way, um, Savage and the,and the crew are hooking you up.

(48:50):
I'm curious, what's thebigger vision of what you
can tell us with MD lifespan?
Because obviously it pluckthe, out of retirement, it's
only becoming more of a thing.
It's in the media.
What's driving you, let's say, forthe next decade, if you feel like
that's, be hyped up in that one.
I'll be honest with you,this is not my first startup.
This is my third.
I expect to be here about anothertwo years before we're taken over

(49:12):
by somebody bigger because I'mnot going to be able to carry
this as an individual or my teamas an to where it needs to go.
Where does it need to go?
It needs to end up in traditionalmedicine so that every obstetrics
doctor has an aphrodisiac centerfor the women who need it.
Every cardiologist hasan AFERI center for their
heart patients who need it.
Every neurologist has an AFERIcenter for all of their cognitive

(49:33):
issue patients who need it.
Not everybody needs plasma exchange,but if you have high toxin levels
and a significant DNA, or youhave high toxin levels and you're
already showing inflammation,oxidation, or, worse yet, you
have high toxin levels and you'realready showing the symptoms of a
disease, You probably need plasmachange because we don't have
that much time to mess around.

(49:54):
We have to reverse thatbefore it goes further.
So our goal and all the doctorsthat we're working with, and
we're into 170 some odd doctorsat this point, with 26 of them
as advisors, is we all are goingto be Take all this research, all
of our effort to change people'slives so that we can show that
we can put this into a processthat becomes more affordable.

(50:16):
We can do it quicker.
We can do it better.
We can do it faster.
We can do it cheaper so thatthe people that need this.
Medicare is going to pay forit because the government
put us into this problem.
The government need we need toas a population because we're all
responsible for not electing theright people To keep us out of
this problem So we need to takecare of the people who we put into
danger And that means we thinkwe probably can get this whole

(50:38):
process down considerable amountBut we're going to need, but
we're going to, but we're goingto need numbers and we're going
to need population to change so.
Why do I know this can happen?
Because in 2000 I was behind thegroup of doctors that was working
on testosterone to get it out ofthe anti steroid act into the hand
of guys who had low testosterone,which we did successfully.
But we did it becausethe public was behind us.

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That's what changed everything.
Awareness is the whole key here.
Talking to your population,your entrepreneurs, getting
them so they're talking to theiremployees, their, their cohorts,
so we can all start workingtogether with acknowledging
that we have a problem.
And as Stephen Hawkins said,we passed that milestone
10 years ago, in 2015.
And so we're already behind.

(51:21):
Everybody's toxic.
And if you're not taking care ofthis problem today, I promise you,
it will take care of you tomorrow.
And not in the way you want.
it's true.
Yeah.
And this is
But if you look at, if youlook at the statistics just
in the cancer from 2 to 17to 30, it's escalating up.
Next year it's going to be higher.
We don't have a lot of timemoving forward here before this

(51:42):
becomes overwhelming in America.
Yeah.
Wow.
Okay.
Well, so here's the thing.
I'm going to, I'm going toask you one more question,
but I want to direct people.
Definitely go to MD lifespan.
com because there are, you know,and of course I have the links
below and all that, but yeah, Yourwebsite has a ton of information.
You know, you can see that.
There's a cool video actually on thewhole oil change concept as well.

(52:04):
And so many otherthings that you guys do.
So go check that out.
Uh, And I want to ask you, like,is there a question that I have not
asked you during this, this chathere, or the previous one that you
feel like is the most crucial forpeople to really understand about
this whole toxin crisis, somethingthat we might've missed here.
No, I think you've done real good.
I think a couple of the myths Ialways talk about is number one.

(52:26):
Nobody has just one.
Everybody has a lot.
So it's not like I have mold toxins.
Sure you do.
Plus you have other things.
So we need to get out of this.
I have this toxin and that toxin forthe people to know and understand.
We're all multi, we're allmulti chemicals at this point.
Number two, if you don't know yournumbers, you don't know the danger.
And that's the step thateverybody has to do.

(52:48):
Number three, even if you don't knowyour numbers, go protect yourself.
Spend the time, it's not a lot ofhard reading, we give you directed,
like the Aquatru, the rain salt,we will tell you these are the
ones we know from Consumer Reportsor from our clinical trials that
work in providing protectionfor you and your loved ones.
Do that now, nomatter where you are.

(53:09):
Got it.
And, and finally, the lastone is if you got questions,
go to the website, schedule acall, talk to one of our docs.
We're there for you.
There's no charge for the call.
We just want to be able toprovide to the consumer, to the
other, to our friends, to otherentrepreneurs, the answers that
they really need to understand.
We're a very databased oriented company.
Um, we believe in thenumbers, but we believe in

(53:31):
the numbers to help people.
Dr. Paul Savage.
I'm so happy that you've comeout of retirement and you've
done this whole startup.
I know it's not easy and youknow, I've, I've worked with
a crew and I know you guys arebusted, busted ass all the time.
I mean, everybody is.
the thing is when I had this, whenthe universe gave me this idea.
It's not like I had a choice, Joe.
Yeah.

(53:51):
I mean, I sat there and realizedthat, Oh my God, I know how
to get rid of the toxins.
I know how to get rid of it.
And that was something we've beenstruggling with for 30 years.
And suddenly I knew the answer.
And it's like, yeah, I'm justgoing to pretend I didn't have
that thought and go on living.
It's like, it wasn'tgoing to happen that way.
It seriously wasn't.
I went to my husband andsaid, Hey, we got to do this.
He's like, yep.
Then I called my marketing woman andI said, Hey, she goes, I'm on board.

(54:14):
And I called my tech person.
I'm on board, calledmy finance people.
They're like.
Can you do this?
I said, I'm absolutely,I mean, I've been sure on
the other stuff I've done.
I've never been so sure as I amon this project, on the, on the
timeliness, the effectiveness.
We have done nothing but exceed ourexpectations every step of the way.
We are on the right track.
We have a solution that we canprovide to people, we just need

(54:35):
to get further down the roadwith the research, uh, with the
numbers, we need the support ofthe government, we need the support
of entrepreneurs everywhere,but the best thing I want to do
is just increase the awareness.
That's what we need.
Yeah.
You'll get it.
You are getting it.
And I think, uh, you're ridingthe wave at the right time
where people are starting tobe open to the concept as well.

(54:56):
And, um, inserting yourself inthere as a complete game changer.
I mean, that's how it'sbeen ever since I've learned
about it more and more.
So there you go.
I'll urge everyone again,follow, follow the path.
We've already shattered out a bunchof times and, uh, it's up to you.
It's your choice.
All right.
So, all right, Dr. Paul,I appreciate you so much.
I'm happy we did this againand I'm likely do it again

(55:17):
because all these updates, man,
Do your test, do yourtest, do your test, it'll
I will, I'm
reporting back.
it'll be revealing.
All right.
Thank you.