May 29, 2025 • 50 mins
Gary talks about his experiences with Bigfoot while living in the Eastern Sierra region of California. He no longer goes out into certain areas of these woods alone.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The infinite complaces people went to and pro fears about
their little affairs, serene in the assurance of their dominion
over this small binning fragment of solar driftwood, which, by
chance or design, man has inherited out of the dark
mystery of time and face.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
On this episode of Into the Fray, I welcome Gary
on with me. And he actually grew up in a
small town at the base of the Eastern Sierras, and
it happens to be next to a naval base, which
we can of course chat about that a little bit.
It sounds like an interesting spot. But Gary, welcome on
the show.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Yeah, thank you, and we are.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Because I know for some in my audience their ears
probably perked up when I said the Eastern Sierras, because yes, indeed, people,
you are right. We are talking about Bigfoot today, right, Gary, Yes,
we are so. I from your bullet point list that
you sent, there's a few things we're gonna chat about,
and I do know and we will get there. But
you had a couple visuals as a kid. Now, before
(01:49):
we go into any of that, did were you aware
of Bigfoot prior to having these visuals as a kid?
Speaker 4 (01:56):
I was when I was smaller. I remember watching like
the Patterson so just on TV. I can't remember the
name of the show. And then the monster truck Bigfoot,
you know, but I wasn't real familiar with it, so it.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Wasn't like it was a you know, set in my mind.
Speaker 5 (02:10):
You know about Sasquatch, right, okay, So let's talk about
where this is exactly, okay, and you know how many
folks were in this community that you were in.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Just give us all the details about location.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
All right.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
So I grew up on in the Eastern Sierras on
Highway three ninety five, on the base of the Eastern Sierras.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Like if you're to.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
Be heading from LA to Mammoth Mountain, I'm about one
hundred and fifty miles north of LA and there's a
couple of canyons up there that you get up into
the like Pinion Pine, and there's some old mines up
there and whatnot.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
My uncle and my.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Stepdaddy always us to go up there in cut Wood,
and we were heading up there one day.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
It was probably let's say late September.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
Of course, back in the eighties, you know, we always
set in the back of the truck, single cap trucks,
and it was me and my friend in the back,
and she was about four years older than me.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
I was about eight years old all that the time.
And we were.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
Heading up this hill and off to the left there
was like this old logging road.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Anyhow, it looked like a bear.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
At first that was trying to go up this pretty
steep incline, and then all of a sudden, it just
went from four legs up by peel like two legs
just starting. It just zipped right up the top of
this hill so quick it was. I couldn't believe how
fast it was. And she's seen it too. We were
just like, that's not a bear. That can't be a bear.
There's no way bears can get on two legs and
run up a hill like that, you know. So it
(03:29):
was probably my first experience of what was my first
experience I ever had seen anything that was similar to
the Sasquatch.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
No, what about your It was your dad and your
uncle that were in the cab. Yeah, did they see anything?
Did you guys talk about that? Afterwards?
Speaker 3 (03:42):
They looked at us like they're just crazy kids.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
You know.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
You just seen a bear, you know, and that's about it,
and just you know, we talked about it some more
of it. There's oh, they just seen a bear, you know.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
So do you do you remember what word you use?
Did you say, Hey, Dad, I think we saw a bigfoot.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Yeah, similar to something like that, like I we see it.
You know, we've seen a big foot. We knew what
it was, but you know then you know what big
foot was and all that. But yeah, yeah, there's just
the way it was just it looked like a really
dark barret first, and then all of a sudden it
just took off on two legs and just ran up
the side of this hill like so fast it was unreal.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Yeah. So probably when you hear people describing how quickly
they move and oh, well maybe it's paranormal, just because
of the way that they can move so fast. To you,
it didn't seem something. I mean, besides the fact that
it was a big foot, something out of this world.
It just moves fast because it moves fast, right.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
Plus it was it went from you know, four leg
you know, out down from four up to two and
it was just like a big man, large man right
running up the side of this mountain, you know, this
hill which I've I've hiked the same location that I've
seen it in the future when I, you know, got older,
and it would take me at least an hour and
a half just to get from that location to the
top of the peak.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
And how quickly do you think he did it?
Speaker 4 (05:00):
Probably in like I'd say, with less than five minutes.
It was like it was so quick.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
It was wow.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
So yeah, that was my first visual, I guess, if
you could say. And then later on in life, it
was about a year or so later, we were up
in a place called Kennedy Meadows.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
I used to do a lot of logging up there.
And anyhow, we were it.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
Was just me and my grandfather and my uncle and
another guy, and there was this late fall I remember
there being snow on the ground. We were about eight thousand,
nine thousand foot elevation, and anyhow, they all slept around
the campfire with the sleeping bags, and I slept in
the cab of the truck. Well, the cab of the
truck or the truck was parked about fifty yards away
(05:41):
with the tailgate facing towards them, and I was sleeping
in the cab is I don't know, late and early
in the morning, late at night, and I just woke
up and there was the classic sasquatch looking in on me,
you know, through the window driver's side window, and I
just when i'd seen it, I just I just went
into a total scream. It was the scariest thing I've
(06:03):
ever seen in my life. And of course that woke
everybody up. And I don't know how long it was
watched me or what, but I just I just woke
up and seen it, and it was It wasn't a
nightmare because it was still there when I woke up,
and then it was gone, you know, it was like
just disappeared and there was like a woodline right there.
And so I told my uncle and everybody and they
just kind of laughed it off. And for the rest
(06:23):
of the night though, I slept with one eye open
there next to the campfire.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
So you saw it and you screamed, and then you
did go back to sleep, which we hear a lot, right, Yeah,
I didn't.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
I didn't go back to sleep, brite, because I seen
it and I was like, you know, they heard me
scream and they got up from the campfire, went over
to the cab of the truck and like, what's wrong,
And I'm like, I seen a monster, you know. And
it wasn't like you know, something you'd have like a
nightmare as a kid or anything. This was I actually
seen this, and it was just like standing there watching
me through the window, you know, and I watched it
(06:55):
for a second and I just went into a total
screaming panic, you know, because I've never seen anything like
in my life.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
So once they once they checked on you in the truck,
it leaves at least from where they can see it
probably didn't go far, and then came back to the
cab to watch you again.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
Oh just stop just at one time. And once I
once I woke up and seen it and watch it
and screamed, it took off.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
It was just vanished.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
And then that's when they got up and came over
and like what's going on, you know. I was like,
I've seen a monster and uh. But so that was
that was coming my experiences as a kid, and I
don't know, I stied never forget them, you know, And
I remember the same spot, you know. I'll go there
every now and then, and I've went there in the
future and camped for like a couple of weeks and
(07:41):
just booth times I camped there for a long period
of time. I had two dogs with me, and every
time they just complete uncontrollable shaking, you know, like they
knew there was something out there. And I could always
feel like there was something watching me, and it just
felt like, you know, eyes were always on me. And
it was later in the season, so there wasn't a
lot of people. And it's like I said, it's about
(08:02):
nine thousand foot elevation. You know, it's pretty thick woods
up there, and there's been times, you know, and you
you hear sounds at night. And speaking of sounds, I
was probably it's been a couple of years ago. It
was about it was hunting season. I was down in
a little valley up there where I always go deer hunting,
and I had my nephew's with me. I always told
(08:25):
them stories about sasquatch whatnot. They looked at me like
I was crazy. And so it was about one two
o'clock in the morning. I woke up, go outside per minute,
and they were awake. The guys were wide open. You know,
it's kind of cold, and all of.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
A sudden, this horrendous howling and screaming.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
I mean, I've never it's not it wasn't a bear
or mountain lion or a coyote or anything like that.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
I mean, this thing just shook the whole valley.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
It was like it had some force behind it, and
it lasted probably about thirty seconds. And I looked over
at them both in the ten are you believing about
sasquatch now? And they just shook their head like their
eyes wide open, like yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
And ever since then they never wanted to go back
up their camping with me.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Oh really, they were out after that?
Speaker 4 (09:11):
Yeah, like that the next day they're like, you know,
we're going to spend like a week up there camping,
and they're like, we already been.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
There like two days, Like we want to go home.
We don't want to stay here. And I was like,
all right.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
You know, they're about ten twelve years old at the time,
but they didn't want anything to do with that after that.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Do they ever still bring that up to this day?
Like do they talk to anybody about that?
Speaker 4 (09:32):
I'll tell people about it, you know. And I know
there was some there was some another group of people
that were camping in the valley there probably I don't know,
maybe a half mile away from us, and they had
to have heard it too, but I didn't never go
over and ask them, you know, And there's no way
you could have hoaxed this sound. It was just too
too powerful, too deep, and I mean it just felt like,
(09:53):
you know, your your whole body was shaking, and it
seems like screaming and howling, and it just echoed throughout
the valley.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Was heard anything like it.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
And I spent a lot of time up in the
mountains and wind rivers of Wyoming and the Sierras, and
I've never heard anything in my life like it.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
And I'm sorry I interrupted you with that question. You
can you can go on, Gary, Oh no.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
It's but so yeah, I've asked them about it in
the future, you know, and you guys just believe me
about Sash part finality.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Oh yeah, yeah. And they'll tell their friends, yeah, you know,
because they're adults and you know, while they're getting young
adults now, but they're like.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
No, we we believe in it. Yeah, that's about we.
We had that. And then it's been about two years ago.
It was like early spring in the Sierras up in
Canadian meadows and there was still snow around, but not
a lot. And I like to go up there and
hike on the PCT and there's not a lot of people,
(10:48):
and you know, people are out of school yet, and
people in the campgrounds and let's assumed my lab the Bella,
and we were hiking. It's about a three mile hike
from the campground down to like a cross a bridge
that crosses the turner room there, and just halfway through
the hike, it just felt like something strange, like something
was watching me, and you know, kind of the hair
on your back stands up.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
And I'm just shrugged it off.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
Didn't see anybody on the trails, real quiet day, didn't
hear much going on in the woods, got down to
the crossing and just I didn't feel right. As soon
as I got down there, it was like it felt
like I was being watched the whole time. And yeah,
I went over and sat in the river there, kind
of cooled down, cracked open a beer and I'm just
(11:32):
kind of relaxing. And next thing, you know, my lap
she usually wants to play fats, you know, and go
out and get the sticks and stuff in the river,
and she was in this total panic where she was
just like jumping up and down and she's like the
fur on her neck was standing up and she's like
like a panic, like, no, let's go now, like not
like I want to play.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
It was like I'm scared. I want to go. Something's wrong.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
Let's get out of her dad, you know something, you know.
It was just like she was telling me, let's get
our ass out of here. And I had some pictures
I took before that from the bridge along the river,
and I don't know, I showed my sister. I showed
everybody and they they're like, yeah, there's definitely something there.
But it looked like a couple like like white, like
small like little alien orbs or something balled up sitting
(12:16):
there like with little hoods over watching me, like on
the one side of the hill. And then there was
a like a big tree that was hollowed out and burnt.
I was across the river and it looked like a
I swur to god, it looked like the smoky the
bear with the hat on, like he was standing in
that tree just watching me, you know, And there are
some other stuff that just looking in the trees that
(12:38):
it was. It looked like there was like I don't know,
these creatures of some sort watching me and just looking
at it. The whole time, and I showed my sister,
I showed everybody, and they're like, it looks like there's
something there, you know.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
And unfortunately I lost those photos. But yeah, I was.
I mean I went over and over. You know.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
I wasn't high at anything, or drunk or anything when
I was looking at these and I was like, man,
there's definitely something going on here, you know. It just
that's my dog just got into such a panic when
you know. And I just took these pictures and seen
this stuff and it was like, wow, maybe that's what
she was trying to warn me about.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Can you describe the creatures at all? Were these like
bigfoot type creatures or something else.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
Well, the one in the tree that was hollowed out,
it looked like a like a Smoky the bear, you know,
the classic Smoky the bear with the hat on, just
standing there and you know, probably like one hundred yards away,
and it's like a lightning must have struck this tree
at one time, so the top was gone, it was
hollowed out and kind of burnt.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
It was a big tree.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
And it's just like I go, was standing there and
then off to the left where from where I was
above the trail there was like it looked like two
like little alien orbs or something like two little aliens
with like.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
White cloaks on or something, just sitting there looking over
at me. And then further up on the hillside it
looked like this.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
I don't know what you could say, Like, I couldn't
explain what kind of creature it would be, maybe like
a wolf man type looking creature or something. I was
like peeking out behind a tree, and it wasn't too
far from these like little coat looking alien characters, you know,
And I don't know, I looked at those pictures over
and over and over again, and I you know, I'm
not I wasn't being delusional or you know, I swear
(14:16):
to God. There was definitely something there. And I think
that's why my dog was in such a panic. And
I mean we when I said, okay, you know, I
grab my stuff through my pack on and the trail
was right there, so we hit the trail out, and
usually she stays with me, and she was just booking
that out of there. I mean she was, you know,
like I had to keep calling her to come back
because she was in such a hurry to get out
of there. You know, and I just I felt the
(14:38):
whole time like there was something behind us, you know,
and it was just an eerie feeling.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Have you ever been back to that particular area.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
Nope, I have not, And there's a there's a lot
of there's I haven't been back to that area, and
I just won't do it by myself. I won't go
I don't go in the woods by myself anymore. I
and this is because of another experience I've I had
down in the same area up there and Kenny was
in the Domelands Wilderness area, and it's a place called
(15:09):
Long Valley that I used to go to that not
a lot of people go to. It's thirty five miles
from the paved road and it's like two mile hike
down to the turn River and you catch some good
browns and all that.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
And anyhow, I used to go up there a lot
and do a lot of arrowheading and.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
Fishing and whatnot. And this has been about I don't know,
I'd say ninety nine, ninety eight, ninety nine.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
It was in the fall.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
It's like October, and there was nobody up there and
me and my dog at the time, I had a
big german shepherd and you know, he wasn't afraid of anything,
and he'd hike all over the mountains with me all
the time. And we got our camp set up that
night and it just felt like, you know, something was
watching us again, and it was probably it was one
of those quick draw tents you have, you know, and
(15:50):
just had my sleeping bag in there in a little lamp,
and I was reading a book and probably like one
in the morning or so, and I kept hearing noises
like a chatter of some sort, like people were talking,
and like I'm just like, you know, I'm hearing something.
There's no way, you know, but it was dead silent now,
and it just kept like hearing some like people walking
out in the distance talking.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
You know, there's nobody up there.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
And anyhow, about twenty minutes thirty minutes later, it gets
closer and closer, and then it just stops and I
started hearing It's like it sounds like maybe maybe a
pine needle or something dropping on your tent, but it
was getting heavier, and then you know, I could see it.
It was like it had been something like rocks or
little pebbles or something kept hitting my tent and they
were getting bigger and bigger, and by this time my
(16:32):
big lab, I'm not my lab but my German shepherds.
He's on my chest and he's just shaking, uncontrollaby and
he was never he's never been afraid like that that
I had him, and I'm getting pretty you know, uneasy myself,
and I was like, you know, you're just going to
try it for a little bit longer. And then it
just got the sound got closer, like the chatter, and
(16:52):
then the it's like the indentations on the tent with
whatever they're throwing it got heavier.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
And that's the time I just took everything. I jumped
out of that tent.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
I popped it back of the old dots and hatchback
and I just popped it open. I took everything I
had the tent, just threw it in there, slammed it,
threw my dog in there, and I boogied out of
there fast as you could get, you know. And I
was like probably two three.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
In the morning. And I've never been back there by
myself to ever camp ever again or hike around.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
And when I do go down there by myself, it's
I just get like I don't want to be in
that campground. It feels like I'm gonna get blocked in
and trapped in there, you know, And I don't stay
very long ago and I turn around and head back out,
but I won't stop and just stay for a while
or even camp. And it's kind of ruined it for
me for anything like I used to do, just go
on like out in dome Lands and hiking by myself
(17:42):
or anywhere in the sierras. And yeah, I just it's
I won't do it anymore. If I have somebody with me,
i'll go. But as far as just like I used
to do, you know, go out and head out by myself,
there's no way.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
I just.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Feel uneasy about it.
Speaker 6 (18:00):
See.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
And that's one of those situations where is it something
paranormal and something really extra strange like you had happened
with those cloak beings and then Smokey the bear or
is that bigfoot right right?
Speaker 4 (18:15):
Yeah, it's like I don't know, And it was just
so it's I don't know. It was like, you know,
you can look at stuff sometimes and make a picture
out of it, but this was so clear that it
wasn't like something you could just look at and say, okay,
now I can make a picture out of this rock
or cloud. You know, this was like it was, it
(18:36):
was actually there, and then I had it on film,
you know. And you know, my sister she teaches school,
you know, so she's kind of straight laced, and I
showed it to her and she's like, yeah, I do
see that.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
That's crazy, you know. And I'm like, I don't know
if it's just it's uneasy stuff I've seen.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
I don't know, and I just don't feel comfortable any
more about going the wood by myself.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Don't blame me there. Hey, Gary, have you heard Ron
Moore heads the Sierra sounds all that samurai chatter they
call it.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
Yeah, I have heard that, Like I heard on I
think it's a Sasqua Chronicles a couple of years ago. Yeah,
so it I never heard it, you know, I've never
heard of it before then, and I just heard it then.
But it sort of sounded like I get I guess
you could say it sort of sounded like that, but
it was more out of a lower tone, like more
(19:28):
like you know, when you're you're.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Say you're hiking on a trail and you can you know,
you don't see anybody around, but you there's somebody around
the corner, a couple of people maybe talking, and then
you get you can hear the voice was coming from.
That's what it sounded like.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
It wasn't like as a loud and extreme as that
the Sierra sounds.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
So for that experience, besides the fact that because anytime
a dog, because you can't tell a dog to fake something,
so anytime a dog that is normally like I'm a
badass and you're going to screw with me or my
dad is terrified like that. Beyond that, for you, what
was the scariest part of that, The things hitting the
(20:09):
tent or the chattering or the walking around were just
the whole thing.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
I think when the like whatever they were throwing could
be pine cones, could have been rocks, you know, because
it was a hillside right there where my tent was
at the bottom of this little hillside in the campground.
And you know, it wasn't like it was stuck like
little pebbles or stuff rolling down here my head. This
was actually like hitting my tent and indentations. That's when
I knew, like there's somebody up here screwing with me
(20:35):
or that this and but I you know, like I
said before, this was like late October, and this is
from the It's nine miles from the highway to the
top to the turnoff, and it's an old mountain you know,
logging road, and then you hit it by like a
a petry dirt road, you know, for another thirty five miles.
So you get to this campground and there's nobody down
(20:57):
there at all. So I knew it wasn't like some
people just up there screwing around with me, and it
was just, I don't know, his uh, pretty frightening moment.
And I've talked to other people that you know, camped
and there's one guy I talked to you and he
said he heard a similar thing happened to in that
campground before.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
And it's kind of really, you know, I'm.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
Not I'm not that crazy, you know, I'm not crazy
because this guy heard the same thing down in that campground.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
So did he actually did he go into detail about
what exactly occurred.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
Whether the funny part is like I never told anything
about this, Like I really hardly know the guy. And
we were talking about fishing and down a long valley
and all this and going down the Kern, and he
brought it He just brought the story up to me
about how he heard, Like, you know, he asked me,
you believe in Bigfoot, you know, and I said, well,
yeah I do. He goes, well, this probably sounds crazy,
he goes, but I was down there this long valley campground,
(21:52):
and he goes, I started here and was like, yeah,
it sounded like this chatter going on down there, And
he goes, there was nobody down there.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
You know, maybe he was an elderly established man.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
It wasn't like somebody that was off the rails or something.
You know, you could believe this story, and it was
just it was like, wow, that really confirms it for
me there that you know, there's got to be something
down there. Just every time I go down there, I
just it feels real eerie and like you're being watched,
and there's like I said, it's not a lot of
people go down there. You have the river that's real
good fishing, you have a lot of good cover, and
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then there's a lot of open landscape as well. So
I mean, if they need to survive down there, they've
got a perfect location.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
See. But isn't that unfortunate Gary that it has all
these experiences over the years has changed how you interact
with the with the wilds, which with what you love
to do.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
Yeah, it really bums me out a lot, because you know,
I used to.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
Not even think twice, you know, and just go anywhere
and just take off through the woods and hike a
couple of days, you know, and set up camp, just
throw my bag on the ground and when't have any worries.
And it's the more and more that I've had these experiences,
it's just it's made me real, real eerie of just
doing anything alone in the woods now, I mean even
going down the Pacific Crest Trail.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
You know, can you describe and if you didn't see it,
then you just say I didn't see much. And I
completely understand that. Can you describe the bodies and or
the faces of either of your two visuals?
Speaker 4 (23:31):
The first one where I took off, you know, was
on the whole fours and took out like bipedal. It
was just like like a huge, like big ball of
like dark dark black, not like you know, darker than
a bear. And then it just it was there and
then it stood up and it's like it looked at us,
and then it just pore off of the side of
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that hill, and like I said, it would take me
at least an hour and a half. I've climbed it
several times to get to the top, and this thing
was up there within like five minutes, no problem. And
I mean it was just booking it up there. But
what it stood out for me, it was so dark.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
It was real black, you know.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
And the other one, I don't know if you remember,
like the the face on the old Twilight Zone episode
where he's William Shatner sitting in the plane.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
He keeps looking out the window and there's this monster
out on the wind.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
Oh yeah, so this is what that's what the face
you know later on you know, I was too young
to realize then, but when I'm watching that episode now,
you know, I'm like, wow, that's what the face kind
of looked like.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
That face I was looking through the window, the driver's window.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
That it looked like, you know, it was like, that's
the It just reminds me of that so much when
I see that, I'm like, that's what it looked like,
you know.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
But it was just kind of standing.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
There with headcock, you know, and I'm something woke me
up out of my sleep and I just like peeked
over my sleeping bag, and I was kind of in shock,
you know, and then I realized, like, this is just
I'm not seeing it.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
This is real.
Speaker 4 (24:55):
It's not a nightmare, and this is a real thing.
And I just started streaming, you know, and that's when
it just kind of took off. And like I said,
the tree line to the forest right there, real thick forest,
and it was just gone like that. And it was
you know, like one two o'clock in the morning, pitch
dark out, you know.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
And Garrett, I'm sure and I'm sorry. Were you the
only kid on that particular trip.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
Yeah, it was just like my grandfather, my uncle and
a friend of theirs, you know, they went up to Cutwood,
and I was the only kid. You know, I was
like seven eight years old at the time.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
You know.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
It's like eighty five, eighty five, eighty six, probably like
eighty five is around there.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
I mean, that's I mean. I do understand though that
the rest of them were intense so they couldn't be
seen and you could. But it is creepy to me
that you were the only kid, and it just seemed
very focused on you. Again, you were the only one
kind of in a in an aquarium, but you know.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
They were they didn't even have tents. They were just
laid out in the you know, old school sleeping back
and they had a big, good firing going.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
You know, they had a big all night burner log
on there on the fire, so it was it was
lit up pretty well around the camp where they were laying,
you know, but they were right you know, to the
old home and sleeping bags kind.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Of laid it right right around boy cowboys by.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
The truck, the cab of the truck, you know. And yeah,
that's why I was just like, well.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Then then never mind, that's one hundred percent creepy that
it was focused on you, So forget my previous statement.
That is one hundred percent not good, very creepy.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
Yeah, and like I like, I said that the face
is just like the one you know later on life.
I was like, that's what the damn face looked like,
you know, off that the creature Bigfoot whatever I seen.
But ever since then, you know, I've I've been up
there and i'd, like I told you before, I've camped
a few times up there, and my dog has felt
so uneasy that I had at the time, and you know,
I had a shotgun on one side and at thirty
(26:49):
thirty on the other all night with one eye opened.
You know, it was just I didn't still right the
whole time. So that's just kind of ruined it for me,
you know, going up there by myself anymore camping.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Well, especially once the dogs start to hit on something.
Anytime you're with a dog that and I, man, we
just hear that so much, right, Like this dog is
not afraid of anything. It'll run after coyotes or whatever,
and even when it we even when it shouldn't, and
then for it to just be and this is the
second dog that you've mentioned has done this that it
(27:21):
just cowers and shakes and it wants nothing to do
with it.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
Yeah, and these you know, like where I lived on
the base of the Sierras. Here it's it's desert, but
then you go up and climb up, you start getting
the Joska trees and the pinion pines, and you know,
you got coyotes around you all the time. And these
dogs they'd always go out. And then you hear coyotes
out and I trying to call them out, and they'd
be like all right, whatever, they'd go out and come
back cut up in sight with coyotes. But they weren't
(27:46):
afraid of coyotes. And I'll tell you when I was
up there, whatever this was was the filling. And I
could feel it too. It's like something's not right, and
they would just be uncontrollably just shaking, you know. And
I don't know that the two big labs I had,
and then the you know, the the German shepherd, you know,
they weren't afraid of anything.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
But yeah, in your first visual from the truck, I
wonder what it was doing down there on all fours.
If it was like hunched over something.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
I don't know, because there was kind of it goes
up to where the there's like an old wash down there,
you know, and it could be there's like some you know,
you get pinion pinion trees up there, and you know,
the pinion nuts.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
It could have been maybe getting some pinion nuts.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
Maybe there's some water down there, because there's some water
that runs down through the year through that in that canyon,
you know, and it could have been getting some opinion
nuts or some water or what not.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
But I don't know.
Speaker 4 (28:41):
It was it was like down on all hours, just
kind of and then it kind of it heard us
come up over this hill and that's when it popped up,
and it like looked over towards us and just jammed
up the side of that mountain.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
What about looking back? And you probably would have mentioned
this already, but have you thought, Oh yeah, I think
that could have been a sign of Bigfoot any weird
you know, trees being bent or twisted, you know up
high that no person could do anything like that.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
Oh yeah, I've seen like now that I've I've heard
you know, people telling me how they take the trees
and you know, place them upside down. I've seen that
a lot, especially not so much in the Sierras. But
I lived up in Wyoming for most of my life,
you know, up there on and off in California, did
the Wyoming and my brother used to be an elk
guide up there in the wind River Mountain, So I
(29:31):
spent a lot of time up there, packing elk out whatnot.
And I've seen a lot of that sign of the
the trees being turned upside down. You know, it's like,
how can you pick this tree up and it just
turn it upside down? And it's like it's you know,
the roots are sticking out and you're like, you know,
ten thousand foot elevation, you know, And I don't know
(29:51):
as I've seen signs of that. But down here in
the Sierras, like you know, I used to do a
lot of hiking all around these mountains, and I used
to like grown up when the first snowfall would hit
and just you know, try to climb some of these
peaks after the snow hit. You know, nothing extreme, but
I'd get along some of these old logging roads and
there would be huge footprints and it could have been
(30:13):
somebody that got there before me, but you know, they
would be you know, a lot larger. You know, I
wear size thirteen boot and these were a lot larger
than my thirteen boot and they're just really wide too,
and they the space between them was a lot further
apart than what I could have. And I've seen that
several times up there in the same canyon where I
seen that my first visual up there in the snow.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
So I mean, and this is just your opinion, nobody knows,
but what do you think they are?
Speaker 3 (30:43):
Honestly? You know, I just.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
I think it's might sound crazy. I think they come
from another dimension. I honestly, Do I think there's like
a they just enter in from another dimension, a poral
or something in the woods, and they're here and then
they can just vanish like that. That's honestly how I
feel about it.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Do you think that on occasion they might grab a
person and take them back with them?
Speaker 3 (31:08):
Most definitely.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
I think I've read a lot of the David Plitis,
you know, Missing four to one I just discovered.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
Probably about four or five years ago, and a lot
of the stories, I'm just like, wow, that kind of
adds up to like, maybe, you know when when I
when I was a.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
Kid, you know, how it could have just easily taken
me if I wouldn't have went into such a panic stream,
you know. And I think a lot of these people
in the that's why I just feel so uneasy with
hiking in the woods alone anymore. There was probably around
that same time two years ago when I heard that
really loud roar is in the same same valley. It's
(31:44):
like nine ten thousand foot elevation up there, and there
was a lot of people who's nobody up there that day,
and I decided to take off through this big grass
valley with both my dogs and there's an old like
an old forest service cabin over there. I just wanted
to go over and hang out on the deck for it.
And there's an old four service road that goes down
there is closed off now, but you can still hike
(32:05):
down and if you go all the way across the valley.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
And I decided I start.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
Hiking down that, and about halfway down, I just started
feeling really uneasy again. And I got down there and
there's a spot where I was like, man, like, I'm
getting real like the hair on the back of my
neck starting to stand up now, and my next and
my spine's getting real stiff, and it's like I don't
feel comfortable at all. And this is where I heard
that howling come from, you know, and that big roar,
(32:29):
and I was like, that's my dogs again. They just
started acting real nervous, and my one labage start jumping
up down. The one that I had the other experience
is she started jumping up and down and barking like
let's go, let's go, let's go. I was going to
take the whole loop back around in my truck, and
I was like, you know what, screw this. I just like,
let them get a drink of water, and we doubled
it back, you know, and just headed out there as
(32:50):
fast as we could. And that's the last time I've
been down there at all, and I won't go down
there alone anymore either.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
I definitely subscribe to the fact that there seems to
be sir and places, I mean really over across the
whole world, but definitely since we're in the US. We
talk about the US a lot, that there are just
certain places that it's a window area or for whatever reason,
everything just seems to travel right through there. It's it's
(33:19):
just like a subway system in certain areas.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
Yeah, And it's where like as the crow flies in
this area when you when you get up to Sculled
Sherman Pass, you can there's a little plaque up there memorial,
you know, and you can look across and you can
see Mount Whitney and all that from like you know,
all along the Sierras, and it's not too far from
(33:43):
all that, all these areas where you know, because you
have you're in Sequoia, I mean you seem Sequoia that
it goes to Semity and then it's in Betweens King
Canyon and you can see all that from this vantage point,
you know, and it's all that area is just it's
real rugged, and I don't know, it feels like it's
(34:03):
real squashy to me, you know. I mean definitely, I've
had a lot of experiences of just uneasy feelings and like.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
I said that that how that I heard, and that's
not too far from where that area is.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
So I mean, would you ever and I mean considering
the fact that you've already said that if you're alone,
definitely you don't really go out anymore, which I'm sorry
about that that that's not what I like to hear.
You wouldn't want to have. Like say you're with a
group of people and you know, you're around a fire
or maybe you're just setting up camp and it's daytime
(34:39):
or something, and one steps out of the woodline and
you can see one really really well, would you ever
want that?
Speaker 3 (34:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (34:47):
I mean I think it's not that it's it's frighten
me to the point where I would never want to
see one again just because it's it's pure interest, Like
I want to like verify like this. You know, Okay,
you know I've seen too now that for sure, you know,
I'm not you know, can't be for certain, but you know,
bears don't go on two legs and.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
Run up the side of the mountain like you know,
you're in a.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
Marathon, you know. I mean, it's just insane. And then
that that's the one I seen with the face on it.
I'll never forget that. So, but I wouldn't mind seeing
another one.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
I mean, I kind of you know.
Speaker 4 (35:25):
There's there's times when I'm up in the mountains there
and just driving late at night or something long these
old logging roads and kind of hopes maybe want to
pop out, you know and just kind of get it
in the headlights or something. But yeah, as far as
like not everyone to see one, now, do.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
You think Gary, the fact that you not every time?
Of course, not when you were a kid you were
seeing him from a truck and all that. Yeah, the
fact that the other times, if you're just hiking or
you going camping or something, you have a dog with
you or dogs, do you think that had something to
do with it?
Speaker 4 (36:01):
You know, it's now that you mention it, you know,
I'm thinking about it. It seems like a lot of
the times that this stuff has happened, I've had my
dogs with me.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
You know, and it's like, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (36:11):
If they they feel that as a threat or maybe
that's something they might be interested in eating.
Speaker 6 (36:16):
Mm.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
But you know, I've noticed because I'm pretty much every
time I've had these you know, encounters with these uneasy feelings,
the noises and all that. That's I've always had my dogs,
and they've always been really uneasy, and it could be
something that they want to they go, oh, here's a
little snack, you know, I don't know, yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
And sometimes they seem also just very annoyed by them.
Maybe they don't like the smell or the sounds, or
like maybe they do want to eat them. But you know,
them chattering and walking around and throwing stuff on your tent,
which you know, it's interesting that you said that every
time they throw something or it whatever, the item would
(36:57):
get larger, like it more urgent, Like get the hell
out of here. You're not getting the you're not getting
the point, you.
Speaker 4 (37:03):
Know, yeah, because you know, I held out for a
while and it's like, you know, and then that's like
when my dog, you know that when my big you know,
German shepherd, he just kind of got on my chest
and was like uncontrollably shaking.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
You know.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
He was beside me when most of the night when
it was starting, just kind of shivering, shivering, like that's
not like him. He never has done that before. And
then and then when I was like all right, all right, buddy,
his name was Hass, I was like, okay, come on, Hass,
let's go. But we just took everything through it, you know,
one of the sleeping bag, everything I had in that tent,
and just opened the hatchback up, tossed in.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
There and was like, I'm out of here. You know,
I'm not looking back. It's like I was in a
ball hall race trying to get out of there.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
You know. So if it's during the day, like you'll
go hiking or something, but you will not go on
an overnight trip unless you're with other people for any reason.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
Yeah, I mean I will, I'll do it.
Speaker 4 (37:54):
But I when I do this sounds crazy like if
I'm gonna be hiking even during the day it or
if I do hike or go camping by myself at night,
anywhere I will, I always have to have an area
that's a large like a large valley or anything like
with the large open spaces where I can where there's
(38:15):
not a lot of trees where I can see around me,
you know, where I can just have a full three
sixty view of what's around me at all times. That
makes sense, not I will go hiking by myself, or
if I will camp by myself.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
Now, do you still have a dog?
Speaker 1 (38:32):
Right?
Speaker 2 (38:32):
Do you have a dog right now? Are you?
Speaker 3 (38:35):
I've lost both of them last year.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (38:38):
Yeah they were awesome, but yeah, now no, Yeah, I
haven't really done any hiking or any camping you know
much that since then. And I'll get back into it,
but yeah, it's gonna take me a while before i'll
you know, get into where it's real bushy or anything
to do any camping alone. And I doubt I'll do it,
I really do.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
Yeah, there's some creepy stuff that goes on out there,
you know, stories of like what you saw that day. Yeah,
with that showed up in those pictures actually, which is amazing.
I'm sure you're going dang it. I wish because you
know that was back in the day when we right,
you send in the film and you get actual pictures back,
you know, so it's not like it's in the clouds somewhere.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (39:23):
So yeah, I just I mean speaking of like something
like that, you know, you're speaking like the like orbs.
There was something I uhould travel to to Wyoming. I
used to go to Tona Pod hit the six, you know,
to Ee, and there was outside of Ee, you know,
they're fifty miles, you know, before you hit Solid or
before you hit.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
Utah, there was this old casino cafe.
Speaker 4 (39:44):
It was just like it had a little bar and
there was like three stop machines, the old school ones.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
And I remember going in there with my cousin and
his wife.
Speaker 4 (39:52):
At the time was a big snow story and I said,
pull off, heir, show you this a little bar, had
a couple of beers and play the stop machines and
those Kodak disposal cameras, you know.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
And I look back.
Speaker 4 (40:03):
I still have the pictures somewhere, but you could see
all these like orbs in the pictures, you know, And
they don't ask the lady, you know, has anybody ever
died here or what?
Speaker 3 (40:12):
I She said, Well, the owner lived in back here.
Speaker 4 (40:14):
It was like a house turned into a.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
Cafe and like a little bar, you know, like a
little horseshoe bar.
Speaker 4 (40:20):
And he passed away in here years ago and I
thought maybe that was a spirit or something. But yeah,
I don't know, just speaking of the old you know,
Kodak film and all that and spocal cameras.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
Yeah, Northern Nevada has a lot of cool history too.
Speaker 4 (40:37):
Oh yeah, and I guess set time talking about Nevada
it's been I think it was like early two thousands.
It was a a friend of mine his wife, and
we came back down here for his sister's wedding and
we were heading back to Wyoming and it was probably
like two o'clock in the morning, and we were probably
(40:57):
I don't know if you've ever been on a six
past tone Paul where it turns off to the Alien
Highway Exttrescial Highway through seventy five.
Speaker 3 (41:07):
If you pass that, probably you know you get in
a big valley there.
Speaker 4 (41:11):
And it was like, I don't know, one, two three
in the morning, and I was telling them about, you know,
this is where I always see some weird stuff in
the sky, like UFOs, and they're laughing at me about it.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
And it wasn't like five minutes later.
Speaker 4 (41:23):
It looked like the old assignmon says, you know where
you push the butt back from your kid.
Speaker 3 (41:27):
Was like orange, yellow, blue green, you know, slip little
sponsor type by.
Speaker 4 (41:32):
It just appeared over the mountains towards the south, and
it was so huge. I mean his wife like looked
over and literally just locked the brakes up in the
vehicle and it set it sideways.
Speaker 3 (41:44):
We're going probably seventy miles an hour.
Speaker 4 (41:46):
Just said it sideways, and they just went into a
total trance and like dumbfounded and were just like wow,
look at that. You know, we didn't say anything, but
it was just that they're hovered and boom, it just
disappeared like that, and they were still shocked. Like after
it took off, I said, I told you guys, you know.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
It almost like you called it in or something. Gary, gosh,
yeah again.
Speaker 3 (42:10):
The cell services it'll slip zone time, you.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
Know, yeah yeah yeah, time to call the UFOs in,
Like let's get Gary.
Speaker 3 (42:20):
Yeah. Man, that was it was something.
Speaker 4 (42:23):
But ever since then they're like, no, we've seen something,
because before they just laugh at me about it, and
then it just the way she they were just total
shocked with their mouths open and she locked up the
cars total sideways to stopped like.
Speaker 3 (42:36):
Dead silence, like oh my god, what is that?
Speaker 2 (42:38):
You know? Well, how big do you think it was?
Speaker 3 (42:43):
My estimation? I mean that if you've ever been down that.
Speaker 4 (42:46):
Stretch of road and you look off to the right,
you know there's a mountain range way out there, probably
another twenty miles out there. So but this thing was
so huge that like it, I would say it had
to have been a couple of miles of you know length.
Speaker 3 (43:04):
It was huge.
Speaker 2 (43:06):
Yeah, that'll do it. That will make people change their minds.
I would say, yeah, well, Gary, was there anything else
that you if you wanted to add, or any more
stories that you wanted to share or anything. I didn't ask.
Speaker 3 (43:21):
That's pretty much about all I've got, you know. And
I thought, well, I've been going.
Speaker 4 (43:26):
Over these for a lot of years. I listened to
your show and listened to the West over there in
Saspar count calls, and I thought, you know whatever, I'll.
Speaker 3 (43:32):
Just call it and maybe give them, you know.
Speaker 4 (43:35):
A couple of my sightings I've seen and get people
interested maybe checking out the areas or something and seeing
if they can find anything spotchy or whatnot.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
Heck yeah, and if you go out there and you
need your pants changed, then you know, get in touch.
And I know that Gary would like to hear if
you had an experience in the same area.
Speaker 3 (43:52):
Yeah, for sure, Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (43:54):
Gary, I really appreciate you being willing to come on
and share with us.
Speaker 3 (43:57):
Oh, thank you, Shy, I appreciate thank you. Have a
good day.
Speaker 7 (44:03):
Well I'm so and so. I was given a slave
by my parents type business. I've been out of college,
I've done these things in my profession, and I produce
a little bag. But it says, forget it, that's not
that's someone story, that's all gone, that's all passed. And
I'm hot to see that.
Speaker 3 (44:20):
Really you who are now? When nobody knows who their
names because we don't know.
Speaker 7 (44:28):
Our selves except from listening to Marcos and consulting.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
Are the members?
Speaker 7 (44:34):
But then that's a really And then again it's expect
to this question, God are you?
Speaker 2 (44:42):
That is the meaning.
Speaker 7 (44:45):
We shall see how they play with this exp by
the cost to get you to come out of your
show and find out.
Speaker 6 (44:53):
I'm very cold. It's steps, it's Christmas, it's it's it's speaks,
(45:40):
it's it's it's.
Speaker 7 (46:46):
For example, are quite divided on us. They will say, no,
we don't believe literally in reincarnation that after your funeral
you will suddenly become somebody different somewhere else. They will say.
Reincarnation means this that if you're sitting here now, are
(47:07):
really convinced that you're the same person a bolder at
the door half a hour ago, you'll be reincarnated if
you're liberate with wells now that you're gone. The past
hasn't been tested, The future doesn't existence.
Speaker 3 (47:23):
There is only the present.
Speaker 6 (47:25):
That's the only amenium there is.
Speaker 7 (47:28):
The send master, don't get in this space in the
spring does.
Speaker 1 (47:33):
Not become the sum.
Speaker 7 (47:36):
First there is sam and then there is spring.
Speaker 6 (48:08):
It's it's it's, it's, it's, it's t s isn't.
Speaker 7 (49:31):
That's the same idea where he says, when you've settled
down in the train, you can read your newspaper, and
so you're not the same person while to go and
live the plan. If you think you are, you are
linking your moments up in the check And this is
(49:51):
what binds thee when you know that every moment of
which you are is the only one. This comes intos air.
The last will say from somebody, I cannot have a
walk across the room and it can be back.
Speaker 3 (50:07):
And he says, where are your foot.
Speaker 7 (50:11):
They've gone, So where are you?
Speaker 4 (50:14):
Who are you?
Speaker 7 (50:15):
When we are asked who we are, we usually give
a kind of recitation of an industry instring for instence, inspience,
The infinite complaces people went to and pro fears about
their little affairs, serene in the assurance of their dominion
over this small binning fragment of solar driftwood, which, by
chance or design, man has inherited out of the dark
mystery of time and face.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
On this episode of Into the Fray, I welcome Gary
on with me. And he actually grew up in a
small town at the base of the Eastern Sierras, and
it happens to be next to a naval base, which
we can of course chat about that a little bit.
It sounds like an interesting spot. But Gary, welcome on
the show.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Yeah, thank you, and we are.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Because I know for some in my audience their ears
probably perked up when I said the Eastern Sierras, because yes, indeed, people,
you are right. We are talking about Bigfoot today, right, Gary, Yes,
we are so. I from your bullet point list that
you sent, there's a few things we're gonna chat about,
and I do know and we will get there. But
you had a couple visuals as a kid. Now, before
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we go into any of that, did were you aware
of Bigfoot prior to having these visuals as a kid?
Speaker 4 (01:56):
I was when I was smaller. I remember watching like
the Patterson so just on TV. I can't remember the
name of the show. And then the monster truck Bigfoot,
you know, but I wasn't real familiar with it, so it.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Wasn't like it was a you know, set in my mind.
Speaker 5 (02:10):
You know about Sasquatch, right, okay, So let's talk about
where this is exactly, okay, and you know how many
folks were in this community that you were in.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Just give us all the details about location.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
All right.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
So I grew up on in the Eastern Sierras on
Highway three ninety five, on the base of the Eastern Sierras.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Like if you're to.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
Be heading from LA to Mammoth Mountain, I'm about one
hundred and fifty miles north of LA and there's a
couple of canyons up there that you get up into
the like Pinion Pine, and there's some old mines up
there and whatnot.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
My uncle and my.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Stepdaddy always us to go up there in cut Wood,
and we were heading up there one day.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
It was probably let's say late September.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
Of course, back in the eighties, you know, we always
set in the back of the truck, single cap trucks,
and it was me and my friend in the back,
and she was about four years older than me.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
I was about eight years old all that the time.
And we were.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
Heading up this hill and off to the left there
was like this old logging road.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Anyhow, it looked like a bear.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
At first that was trying to go up this pretty
steep incline, and then all of a sudden, it just
went from four legs up by peel like two legs
just starting. It just zipped right up the top of
this hill so quick it was. I couldn't believe how
fast it was. And she's seen it too. We were
just like, that's not a bear. That can't be a bear.
There's no way bears can get on two legs and
run up a hill like that, you know. So it
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was probably my first experience of what was my first
experience I ever had seen anything that was similar to
the Sasquatch.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
No, what about your It was your dad and your
uncle that were in the cab. Yeah, did they see anything?
Did you guys talk about that? Afterwards?
Speaker 3 (03:42):
They looked at us like they're just crazy kids.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
You know.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
You just seen a bear, you know, and that's about it,
and just you know, we talked about it some more
of it. There's oh, they just seen a bear, you know.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
So do you do you remember what word you use?
Did you say, Hey, Dad, I think we saw a bigfoot.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Yeah, similar to something like that, like I we see it.
You know, we've seen a big foot. We knew what
it was, but you know then you know what big
foot was and all that. But yeah, yeah, there's just
the way it was just it looked like a really
dark barret first, and then all of a sudden it
just took off on two legs and just ran up
the side of this hill like so fast it was unreal.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Yeah. So probably when you hear people describing how quickly
they move and oh, well maybe it's paranormal, just because
of the way that they can move so fast. To you,
it didn't seem something. I mean, besides the fact that
it was a big foot, something out of this world.
It just moves fast because it moves fast, right.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
Plus it was it went from you know, four leg
you know, out down from four up to two and
it was just like a big man, large man right
running up the side of this mountain, you know, this
hill which I've I've hiked the same location that I've
seen it in the future when I, you know, got older,
and it would take me at least an hour and
a half just to get from that location to the
top of the peak.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
And how quickly do you think he did it?
Speaker 4 (05:00):
Probably in like I'd say, with less than five minutes.
It was like it was so quick.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
It was wow.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
So yeah, that was my first visual, I guess, if
you could say. And then later on in life, it
was about a year or so later, we were up
in a place called Kennedy Meadows.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
I used to do a lot of logging up there.
And anyhow, we were it.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
Was just me and my grandfather and my uncle and
another guy, and there was this late fall I remember
there being snow on the ground. We were about eight thousand,
nine thousand foot elevation, and anyhow, they all slept around
the campfire with the sleeping bags, and I slept in
the cab of the truck. Well, the cab of the
truck or the truck was parked about fifty yards away
(05:41):
with the tailgate facing towards them, and I was sleeping
in the cab is I don't know, late and early
in the morning, late at night, and I just woke
up and there was the classic sasquatch looking in on me,
you know, through the window driver's side window, and I
just when i'd seen it, I just I just went
into a total scream. It was the scariest thing I've
(06:03):
ever seen in my life. And of course that woke
everybody up. And I don't know how long it was
watched me or what, but I just I just woke
up and seen it, and it was It wasn't a
nightmare because it was still there when I woke up,
and then it was gone, you know, it was like
just disappeared and there was like a woodline right there.
And so I told my uncle and everybody and they
just kind of laughed it off. And for the rest
(06:23):
of the night though, I slept with one eye open
there next to the campfire.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
So you saw it and you screamed, and then you
did go back to sleep, which we hear a lot, right, Yeah,
I didn't.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
I didn't go back to sleep, brite, because I seen
it and I was like, you know, they heard me
scream and they got up from the campfire, went over
to the cab of the truck and like, what's wrong,
And I'm like, I seen a monster, you know. And
it wasn't like you know, something you'd have like a
nightmare as a kid or anything. This was I actually
seen this, and it was just like standing there watching
me through the window, you know, and I watched it
(06:55):
for a second and I just went into a total
screaming panic, you know, because I've never seen anything like
in my life.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
So once they once they checked on you in the truck,
it leaves at least from where they can see it
probably didn't go far, and then came back to the
cab to watch you again.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
Oh just stop just at one time. And once I
once I woke up and seen it and watch it
and screamed, it took off.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
It was just vanished.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
And then that's when they got up and came over
and like what's going on, you know. I was like,
I've seen a monster and uh. But so that was
that was coming my experiences as a kid, and I
don't know, I stied never forget them, you know, And
I remember the same spot, you know. I'll go there
every now and then, and I've went there in the
future and camped for like a couple of weeks and
(07:41):
just booth times I camped there for a long period
of time. I had two dogs with me, and every
time they just complete uncontrollable shaking, you know, like they
knew there was something out there. And I could always
feel like there was something watching me, and it just
felt like, you know, eyes were always on me. And
it was later in the season, so there wasn't a
lot of people. And it's like I said, it's about
(08:02):
nine thousand foot elevation. You know, it's pretty thick woods
up there, and there's been times, you know, and you
you hear sounds at night. And speaking of sounds, I
was probably it's been a couple of years ago. It
was about it was hunting season. I was down in
a little valley up there where I always go deer hunting,
and I had my nephew's with me. I always told
(08:25):
them stories about sasquatch whatnot. They looked at me like
I was crazy. And so it was about one two
o'clock in the morning. I woke up, go outside per minute,
and they were awake. The guys were wide open. You know,
it's kind of cold, and all of.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
A sudden, this horrendous howling and screaming.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
I mean, I've never it's not it wasn't a bear
or mountain lion or a coyote or anything like that.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
I mean, this thing just shook the whole valley.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
It was like it had some force behind it, and
it lasted probably about thirty seconds. And I looked over
at them both in the ten are you believing about
sasquatch now? And they just shook their head like their
eyes wide open, like yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
And ever since then they never wanted to go back
up their camping with me.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Oh really, they were out after that?
Speaker 4 (09:11):
Yeah, like that the next day they're like, you know,
we're going to spend like a week up there camping,
and they're like, we already been.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
There like two days, Like we want to go home.
We don't want to stay here. And I was like,
all right.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
You know, they're about ten twelve years old at the time,
but they didn't want anything to do with that after that.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Do they ever still bring that up to this day?
Like do they talk to anybody about that?
Speaker 4 (09:32):
I'll tell people about it, you know. And I know
there was some there was some another group of people
that were camping in the valley there probably I don't know,
maybe a half mile away from us, and they had
to have heard it too, but I didn't never go
over and ask them, you know, And there's no way
you could have hoaxed this sound. It was just too
too powerful, too deep, and I mean it just felt like,
(09:53):
you know, your your whole body was shaking, and it
seems like screaming and howling, and it just echoed throughout
the valley.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Was heard anything like it.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
And I spent a lot of time up in the
mountains and wind rivers of Wyoming and the Sierras, and
I've never heard anything in my life like it.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
And I'm sorry I interrupted you with that question. You
can you can go on, Gary, Oh no.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
It's but so yeah, I've asked them about it in
the future, you know, and you guys just believe me
about Sash part finality.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Oh yeah, yeah. And they'll tell their friends, yeah, you know,
because they're adults and you know, while they're getting young
adults now, but they're like.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
No, we we believe in it. Yeah, that's about we.
We had that. And then it's been about two years ago.
It was like early spring in the Sierras up in
Canadian meadows and there was still snow around, but not
a lot. And I like to go up there and
hike on the PCT and there's not a lot of people,
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and you know, people are out of school yet, and
people in the campgrounds and let's assumed my lab the Bella,
and we were hiking. It's about a three mile hike
from the campground down to like a cross a bridge
that crosses the turner room there, and just halfway through
the hike, it just felt like something strange, like something
was watching me, and you know, kind of the hair
on your back stands up.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
And I'm just shrugged it off.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
Didn't see anybody on the trails, real quiet day, didn't
hear much going on in the woods, got down to
the crossing and just I didn't feel right. As soon
as I got down there, it was like it felt
like I was being watched the whole time. And yeah,
I went over and sat in the river there, kind
of cooled down, cracked open a beer and I'm just
(11:32):
kind of relaxing. And next thing, you know, my lap
she usually wants to play fats, you know, and go
out and get the sticks and stuff in the river,
and she was in this total panic where she was
just like jumping up and down and she's like the
fur on her neck was standing up and she's like
like a panic, like, no, let's go now, like not
like I want to play.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
It was like I'm scared. I want to go. Something's wrong.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
Let's get out of her dad, you know something, you know.
It was just like she was telling me, let's get
our ass out of here. And I had some pictures
I took before that from the bridge along the river,
and I don't know, I showed my sister. I showed
everybody and they they're like, yeah, there's definitely something there.
But it looked like a couple like like white, like
small like little alien orbs or something balled up sitting
(12:16):
there like with little hoods over watching me, like on
the one side of the hill. And then there was
a like a big tree that was hollowed out and burnt.
I was across the river and it looked like a
I swur to god, it looked like the smoky the
bear with the hat on, like he was standing in
that tree just watching me, you know, And there are
some other stuff that just looking in the trees that
(12:38):
it was. It looked like there was like I don't know,
these creatures of some sort watching me and just looking
at it. The whole time, and I showed my sister,
I showed everybody, and they're like, it looks like there's
something there, you know.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
And unfortunately I lost those photos. But yeah, I was.
I mean I went over and over. You know.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
I wasn't high at anything, or drunk or anything when
I was looking at these and I was like, man,
there's definitely something going on here, you know. It just
that's my dog just got into such a panic when
you know. And I just took these pictures and seen
this stuff and it was like, wow, maybe that's what
she was trying to warn me about.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Can you describe the creatures at all? Were these like
bigfoot type creatures or something else.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
Well, the one in the tree that was hollowed out,
it looked like a like a Smoky the bear, you know,
the classic Smoky the bear with the hat on, just
standing there and you know, probably like one hundred yards away,
and it's like a lightning must have struck this tree
at one time, so the top was gone, it was
hollowed out and kind of burnt.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
It was a big tree.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
And it's just like I go, was standing there and
then off to the left where from where I was
above the trail there was like it looked like two
like little alien orbs or something like two little aliens
with like.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
White cloaks on or something, just sitting there looking over
at me. And then further up on the hillside it
looked like this.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
I don't know what you could say, Like, I couldn't
explain what kind of creature it would be, maybe like
a wolf man type looking creature or something. I was
like peeking out behind a tree, and it wasn't too
far from these like little coat looking alien characters, you know,
And I don't know, I looked at those pictures over
and over and over again, and I you know, I'm
not I wasn't being delusional or you know, I swear
(14:16):
to God. There was definitely something there. And I think
that's why my dog was in such a panic. And
I mean we when I said, okay, you know, I
grab my stuff through my pack on and the trail
was right there, so we hit the trail out, and
usually she stays with me, and she was just booking
that out of there. I mean she was, you know,
like I had to keep calling her to come back
because she was in such a hurry to get out
of there. You know, and I just I felt the
(14:38):
whole time like there was something behind us, you know,
and it was just an eerie feeling.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Have you ever been back to that particular area.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
Nope, I have not, And there's a there's a lot
of there's I haven't been back to that area, and
I just won't do it by myself. I won't go
I don't go in the woods by myself anymore. I
and this is because of another experience I've I had
down in the same area up there and Kenny was
in the Domelands Wilderness area, and it's a place called
(15:09):
Long Valley that I used to go to that not
a lot of people go to. It's thirty five miles
from the paved road and it's like two mile hike
down to the turn River and you catch some good
browns and all that.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
And anyhow, I used to go up there a lot
and do a lot of arrowheading and.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
Fishing and whatnot. And this has been about I don't know,
I'd say ninety nine, ninety eight, ninety nine.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
It was in the fall.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
It's like October, and there was nobody up there and
me and my dog at the time, I had a
big german shepherd and you know, he wasn't afraid of anything,
and he'd hike all over the mountains with me all
the time. And we got our camp set up that
night and it just felt like, you know, something was
watching us again, and it was probably it was one
of those quick draw tents you have, you know, and
(15:50):
just had my sleeping bag in there in a little lamp,
and I was reading a book and probably like one
in the morning or so, and I kept hearing noises
like a chatter of some sort, like people were talking,
and like I'm just like, you know, I'm hearing something.
There's no way, you know, but it was dead silent now,
and it just kept like hearing some like people walking
out in the distance talking.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
You know, there's nobody up there.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
And anyhow, about twenty minutes thirty minutes later, it gets
closer and closer, and then it just stops and I
started hearing It's like it sounds like maybe maybe a
pine needle or something dropping on your tent, but it
was getting heavier, and then you know, I could see it.
It was like it had been something like rocks or
little pebbles or something kept hitting my tent and they
were getting bigger and bigger, and by this time my
(16:32):
big lab, I'm not my lab but my German shepherds.
He's on my chest and he's just shaking, uncontrollaby and
he was never he's never been afraid like that that
I had him, and I'm getting pretty you know, uneasy myself,
and I was like, you know, you're just going to
try it for a little bit longer. And then it
just got the sound got closer, like the chatter, and
(16:52):
then the it's like the indentations on the tent with
whatever they're throwing it got heavier.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
And that's the time I just took everything. I jumped
out of that tent.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
I popped it back of the old dots and hatchback
and I just popped it open. I took everything I
had the tent, just threw it in there, slammed it,
threw my dog in there, and I boogied out of
there fast as you could get, you know. And I
was like probably two three.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
In the morning. And I've never been back there by
myself to ever camp ever again or hike around.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
And when I do go down there by myself, it's
I just get like I don't want to be in
that campground. It feels like I'm gonna get blocked in
and trapped in there, you know, And I don't stay
very long ago and I turn around and head back out,
but I won't stop and just stay for a while
or even camp. And it's kind of ruined it for
me for anything like I used to do, just go
on like out in dome Lands and hiking by myself
(17:42):
or anywhere in the sierras. And yeah, I just it's
I won't do it anymore. If I have somebody with me,
i'll go. But as far as just like I used
to do, you know, go out and head out by myself,
there's no way.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
I just.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Feel uneasy about it.
Speaker 6 (18:00):
See.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
And that's one of those situations where is it something
paranormal and something really extra strange like you had happened
with those cloak beings and then Smokey the bear or
is that bigfoot right right?
Speaker 4 (18:15):
Yeah, it's like I don't know, And it was just
so it's I don't know. It was like, you know,
you can look at stuff sometimes and make a picture
out of it, but this was so clear that it
wasn't like something you could just look at and say, okay,
now I can make a picture out of this rock
or cloud. You know, this was like it was, it
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was actually there, and then I had it on film,
you know. And you know, my sister she teaches school,
you know, so she's kind of straight laced, and I
showed it to her and she's like, yeah, I do
see that.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
That's crazy, you know. And I'm like, I don't know
if it's just it's uneasy stuff I've seen.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
I don't know, and I just don't feel comfortable any
more about going the wood by myself.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Don't blame me there. Hey, Gary, have you heard Ron
Moore heads the Sierra sounds all that samurai chatter they
call it.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
Yeah, I have heard that, Like I heard on I
think it's a Sasqua Chronicles a couple of years ago. Yeah,
so it I never heard it, you know, I've never
heard of it before then, and I just heard it then.
But it sort of sounded like I get I guess
you could say it sort of sounded like that, but
it was more out of a lower tone, like more
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like you know, when you're you're.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Say you're hiking on a trail and you can you know,
you don't see anybody around, but you there's somebody around
the corner, a couple of people maybe talking, and then
you get you can hear the voice was coming from.
That's what it sounded like.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
It wasn't like as a loud and extreme as that
the Sierra sounds.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
So for that experience, besides the fact that because anytime
a dog, because you can't tell a dog to fake something,
so anytime a dog that is normally like I'm a
badass and you're going to screw with me or my
dad is terrified like that. Beyond that, for you, what
was the scariest part of that, The things hitting the
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tent or the chattering or the walking around were just
the whole thing.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
I think when the like whatever they were throwing could
be pine cones, could have been rocks, you know, because
it was a hillside right there where my tent was
at the bottom of this little hillside in the campground.
And you know, it wasn't like it was stuck like
little pebbles or stuff rolling down here my head. This
was actually like hitting my tent and indentations. That's when
I knew, like there's somebody up here screwing with me
(20:35):
or that this and but I you know, like I
said before, this was like late October, and this is
from the It's nine miles from the highway to the
top to the turnoff, and it's an old mountain you know,
logging road, and then you hit it by like a
a petry dirt road, you know, for another thirty five miles.
So you get to this campground and there's nobody down
(20:57):
there at all. So I knew it wasn't like some
people just up there screwing around with me, and it
was just, I don't know, his uh, pretty frightening moment.
And I've talked to other people that you know, camped
and there's one guy I talked to you and he
said he heard a similar thing happened to in that
campground before.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
And it's kind of really, you know, I'm.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
Not I'm not that crazy, you know, I'm not crazy
because this guy heard the same thing down in that campground.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
So did he actually did he go into detail about
what exactly occurred.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
Whether the funny part is like I never told anything
about this, Like I really hardly know the guy. And
we were talking about fishing and down a long valley
and all this and going down the Kern, and he
brought it He just brought the story up to me
about how he heard, Like, you know, he asked me,
you believe in Bigfoot, you know, and I said, well,
yeah I do. He goes, well, this probably sounds crazy,
he goes, but I was down there this long valley campground,
(21:52):
and he goes, I started here and was like, yeah,
it sounded like this chatter going on down there, And
he goes, there was nobody down there.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
You know, maybe he was an elderly established man.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
It wasn't like somebody that was off the rails or something.
You know, you could believe this story, and it was
just it was like, wow, that really confirms it for
me there that you know, there's got to be something
down there. Just every time I go down there, I
just it feels real eerie and like you're being watched,
and there's like I said, it's not a lot of
people go down there. You have the river that's real
good fishing, you have a lot of good cover, and
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then there's a lot of open landscape as well. So
I mean, if they need to survive down there, they've
got a perfect location.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
See. But isn't that unfortunate Gary that it has all
these experiences over the years has changed how you interact
with the with the wilds, which with what you love
to do.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
Yeah, it really bums me out a lot, because you know,
I used to.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
Not even think twice, you know, and just go anywhere
and just take off through the woods and hike a
couple of days, you know, and set up camp, just
throw my bag on the ground and when't have any worries.
And it's the more and more that I've had these experiences,
it's just it's made me real, real eerie of just
doing anything alone in the woods now, I mean even
going down the Pacific Crest Trail.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
You know, can you describe and if you didn't see it,
then you just say I didn't see much. And I
completely understand that. Can you describe the bodies and or
the faces of either of your two visuals?
Speaker 4 (23:31):
The first one where I took off, you know, was
on the whole fours and took out like bipedal. It
was just like like a huge, like big ball of
like dark dark black, not like you know, darker than
a bear. And then it just it was there and
then it stood up and it's like it looked at us,
and then it just pore off of the side of
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that hill, and like I said, it would take me
at least an hour and a half. I've climbed it
several times to get to the top, and this thing
was up there within like five minutes, no problem. And
I mean it was just booking it up there. But
what it stood out for me, it was so dark.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
It was real black, you know.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
And the other one, I don't know if you remember,
like the the face on the old Twilight Zone episode
where he's William Shatner sitting in the plane.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
He keeps looking out the window and there's this monster
out on the wind.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
Oh yeah, so this is what that's what the face
you know later on you know, I was too young
to realize then, but when I'm watching that episode now,
you know, I'm like, wow, that's what the face kind
of looked like.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
That face I was looking through the window, the driver's window.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
That it looked like, you know, it was like, that's
the It just reminds me of that so much when
I see that, I'm like, that's what it looked like,
you know.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
But it was just kind of standing.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
There with headcock, you know, and I'm something woke me
up out of my sleep and I just like peeked
over my sleeping bag, and I was kind of in shock,
you know, and then I realized, like, this is just
I'm not seeing it.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
This is real.
Speaker 4 (24:55):
It's not a nightmare, and this is a real thing.
And I just started streaming, you know, and that's when
it just kind of took off. And like I said,
the tree line to the forest right there, real thick forest,
and it was just gone like that. And it was
you know, like one two o'clock in the morning, pitch
dark out, you know.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
And Garrett, I'm sure and I'm sorry. Were you the
only kid on that particular trip.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
Yeah, it was just like my grandfather, my uncle and
a friend of theirs, you know, they went up to Cutwood,
and I was the only kid. You know, I was
like seven eight years old at the time.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
You know.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
It's like eighty five, eighty five, eighty six, probably like
eighty five is around there.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
I mean, that's I mean. I do understand though that
the rest of them were intense so they couldn't be
seen and you could. But it is creepy to me
that you were the only kid, and it just seemed
very focused on you. Again, you were the only one
kind of in a in an aquarium, but you know.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
They were they didn't even have tents. They were just
laid out in the you know, old school sleeping back
and they had a big, good firing going.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
You know, they had a big all night burner log
on there on the fire, so it was it was
lit up pretty well around the camp where they were laying,
you know, but they were right you know, to the
old home and sleeping bags kind.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Of laid it right right around boy cowboys by.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
The truck, the cab of the truck, you know. And yeah,
that's why I was just like, well.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Then then never mind, that's one hundred percent creepy that
it was focused on you, So forget my previous statement.
That is one hundred percent not good, very creepy.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
Yeah, and like I like, I said that the face
is just like the one you know later on life.
I was like, that's what the damn face looked like,
you know, off that the creature Bigfoot whatever I seen.
But ever since then, you know, I've I've been up
there and i'd, like I told you before, I've camped
a few times up there, and my dog has felt
so uneasy that I had at the time, and you know,
I had a shotgun on one side and at thirty
(26:49):
thirty on the other all night with one eye opened.
You know, it was just I didn't still right the
whole time. So that's just kind of ruined it for me,
you know, going up there by myself anymore camping.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Well, especially once the dogs start to hit on something.
Anytime you're with a dog that and I, man, we
just hear that so much, right, Like this dog is
not afraid of anything. It'll run after coyotes or whatever,
and even when it we even when it shouldn't, and
then for it to just be and this is the
second dog that you've mentioned has done this that it
(27:21):
just cowers and shakes and it wants nothing to do
with it.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
Yeah, and these you know, like where I lived on
the base of the Sierras. Here it's it's desert, but
then you go up and climb up, you start getting
the Joska trees and the pinion pines, and you know,
you got coyotes around you all the time. And these
dogs they'd always go out. And then you hear coyotes
out and I trying to call them out, and they'd
be like all right, whatever, they'd go out and come
back cut up in sight with coyotes. But they weren't
(27:46):
afraid of coyotes. And I'll tell you when I was
up there, whatever this was was the filling. And I
could feel it too. It's like something's not right, and
they would just be uncontrollably just shaking, you know. And
I don't know that the two big labs I had,
and then the you know, the the German shepherd, you know,
they weren't afraid of anything.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
But yeah, in your first visual from the truck, I
wonder what it was doing down there on all fours.
If it was like hunched over something.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
I don't know, because there was kind of it goes
up to where the there's like an old wash down there,
you know, and it could be there's like some you know,
you get pinion pinion trees up there, and you know,
the pinion nuts.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
It could have been maybe getting some pinion nuts.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
Maybe there's some water down there, because there's some water
that runs down through the year through that in that canyon,
you know, and it could have been getting some opinion
nuts or some water or what not.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
But I don't know.
Speaker 4 (28:41):
It was it was like down on all hours, just
kind of and then it kind of it heard us
come up over this hill and that's when it popped up,
and it like looked over towards us and just jammed
up the side of that mountain.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
What about looking back? And you probably would have mentioned
this already, but have you thought, Oh yeah, I think
that could have been a sign of Bigfoot any weird
you know, trees being bent or twisted, you know up
high that no person could do anything like that.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
Oh yeah, I've seen like now that I've I've heard
you know, people telling me how they take the trees
and you know, place them upside down. I've seen that
a lot, especially not so much in the Sierras. But
I lived up in Wyoming for most of my life,
you know, up there on and off in California, did
the Wyoming and my brother used to be an elk
guide up there in the wind River Mountain, So I
(29:31):
spent a lot of time up there, packing elk out whatnot.
And I've seen a lot of that sign of the
the trees being turned upside down. You know, it's like,
how can you pick this tree up and it just
turn it upside down? And it's like it's you know,
the roots are sticking out and you're like, you know,
ten thousand foot elevation, you know, And I don't know
(29:51):
as I've seen signs of that. But down here in
the Sierras, like you know, I used to do a
lot of hiking all around these mountains, and I used
to like grown up when the first snowfall would hit
and just you know, try to climb some of these
peaks after the snow hit. You know, nothing extreme, but
I'd get along some of these old logging roads and
there would be huge footprints and it could have been
(30:13):
somebody that got there before me, but you know, they
would be you know, a lot larger. You know, I
wear size thirteen boot and these were a lot larger
than my thirteen boot and they're just really wide too,
and they the space between them was a lot further
apart than what I could have. And I've seen that
several times up there in the same canyon where I
seen that my first visual up there in the snow.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
So I mean, and this is just your opinion, nobody knows,
but what do you think they are?
Speaker 3 (30:43):
Honestly? You know, I just.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
I think it's might sound crazy. I think they come
from another dimension. I honestly, Do I think there's like
a they just enter in from another dimension, a poral
or something in the woods, and they're here and then
they can just vanish like that. That's honestly how I
feel about it.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Do you think that on occasion they might grab a
person and take them back with them?
Speaker 3 (31:08):
Most definitely.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
I think I've read a lot of the David Plitis,
you know, Missing four to one I just discovered.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
Probably about four or five years ago, and a lot
of the stories, I'm just like, wow, that kind of
adds up to like, maybe, you know when when I
when I was a.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
Kid, you know, how it could have just easily taken
me if I wouldn't have went into such a panic stream,
you know. And I think a lot of these people
in the that's why I just feel so uneasy with
hiking in the woods alone anymore. There was probably around
that same time two years ago when I heard that
really loud roar is in the same same valley. It's
(31:44):
like nine ten thousand foot elevation up there, and there
was a lot of people who's nobody up there that day,
and I decided to take off through this big grass
valley with both my dogs and there's an old like
an old forest service cabin over there. I just wanted
to go over and hang out on the deck for it.
And there's an old four service road that goes down
there is closed off now, but you can still hike
(32:05):
down and if you go all the way across the valley.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
And I decided I start.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
Hiking down that, and about halfway down, I just started
feeling really uneasy again. And I got down there and
there's a spot where I was like, man, like, I'm
getting real like the hair on the back of my
neck starting to stand up now, and my next and
my spine's getting real stiff, and it's like I don't
feel comfortable at all. And this is where I heard
that howling come from, you know, and that big roar,
(32:29):
and I was like, that's my dogs again. They just
started acting real nervous, and my one labage start jumping
up down. The one that I had the other experience
is she started jumping up and down and barking like
let's go, let's go, let's go. I was going to
take the whole loop back around in my truck, and
I was like, you know what, screw this. I just like,
let them get a drink of water, and we doubled
it back, you know, and just headed out there as
(32:50):
fast as we could. And that's the last time I've
been down there at all, and I won't go down
there alone anymore either.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
I definitely subscribe to the fact that there seems to
be sir and places, I mean really over across the
whole world, but definitely since we're in the US. We
talk about the US a lot, that there are just
certain places that it's a window area or for whatever reason,
everything just seems to travel right through there. It's it's
(33:19):
just like a subway system in certain areas.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
Yeah, And it's where like as the crow flies in
this area when you when you get up to Sculled
Sherman Pass, you can there's a little plaque up there memorial,
you know, and you can look across and you can
see Mount Whitney and all that from like you know,
all along the Sierras, and it's not too far from
(33:43):
all that, all these areas where you know, because you
have you're in Sequoia, I mean you seem Sequoia that
it goes to Semity and then it's in Betweens King
Canyon and you can see all that from this vantage point,
you know, and it's all that area is just it's
real rugged, and I don't know, it feels like it's
(34:03):
real squashy to me, you know. I mean definitely, I've
had a lot of experiences of just uneasy feelings and like.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
I said that that how that I heard, and that's
not too far from where that area is.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
So I mean, would you ever and I mean considering
the fact that you've already said that if you're alone,
definitely you don't really go out anymore, which I'm sorry
about that that that's not what I like to hear.
You wouldn't want to have. Like say you're with a
group of people and you know, you're around a fire
or maybe you're just setting up camp and it's daytime
(34:39):
or something, and one steps out of the woodline and
you can see one really really well, would you ever
want that?
Speaker 3 (34:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (34:47):
I mean I think it's not that it's it's frighten
me to the point where I would never want to
see one again just because it's it's pure interest, Like
I want to like verify like this. You know, Okay,
you know I've seen too now that for sure, you know,
I'm not you know, can't be for certain, but you know,
bears don't go on two legs and.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
Run up the side of the mountain like you know,
you're in a.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
Marathon, you know. I mean, it's just insane. And then
that that's the one I seen with the face on it.
I'll never forget that. So, but I wouldn't mind seeing
another one.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
I mean, I kind of you know.
Speaker 4 (35:25):
There's there's times when I'm up in the mountains there
and just driving late at night or something long these
old logging roads and kind of hopes maybe want to
pop out, you know and just kind of get it
in the headlights or something. But yeah, as far as
like not everyone to see one, now, do.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
You think Gary, the fact that you not every time?
Of course, not when you were a kid you were
seeing him from a truck and all that. Yeah, the
fact that the other times, if you're just hiking or
you going camping or something, you have a dog with
you or dogs, do you think that had something to
do with it?
Speaker 4 (36:01):
You know, it's now that you mention it, you know,
I'm thinking about it. It seems like a lot of
the times that this stuff has happened, I've had my
dogs with me.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
You know, and it's like, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (36:11):
If they they feel that as a threat or maybe
that's something they might be interested in eating.
Speaker 6 (36:16):
Mm.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
But you know, I've noticed because I'm pretty much every
time I've had these you know, encounters with these uneasy feelings,
the noises and all that. That's I've always had my dogs,
and they've always been really uneasy, and it could be
something that they want to they go, oh, here's a
little snack, you know, I don't know, yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
And sometimes they seem also just very annoyed by them.
Maybe they don't like the smell or the sounds, or
like maybe they do want to eat them. But you know,
them chattering and walking around and throwing stuff on your tent,
which you know, it's interesting that you said that every
time they throw something or it whatever, the item would
(36:57):
get larger, like it more urgent, Like get the hell
out of here. You're not getting the you're not getting
the point, you.
Speaker 4 (37:03):
Know, yeah, because you know, I held out for a
while and it's like, you know, and then that's like
when my dog, you know that when my big you know,
German shepherd, he just kind of got on my chest
and was like uncontrollably shaking.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
You know.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
He was beside me when most of the night when
it was starting, just kind of shivering, shivering, like that's
not like him. He never has done that before. And
then and then when I was like all right, all right, buddy,
his name was Hass, I was like, okay, come on, Hass,
let's go. But we just took everything through it, you know,
one of the sleeping bag, everything I had in that tent,
and just opened the hatchback up, tossed in.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
There and was like, I'm out of here. You know,
I'm not looking back. It's like I was in a
ball hall race trying to get out of there.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
You know. So if it's during the day, like you'll
go hiking or something, but you will not go on
an overnight trip unless you're with other people for any reason.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
Yeah, I mean I will, I'll do it.
Speaker 4 (37:54):
But I when I do this sounds crazy like if
I'm gonna be hiking even during the day it or
if I do hike or go camping by myself at night,
anywhere I will, I always have to have an area
that's a large like a large valley or anything like
with the large open spaces where I can where there's
(38:15):
not a lot of trees where I can see around me,
you know, where I can just have a full three
sixty view of what's around me at all times. That
makes sense, not I will go hiking by myself, or
if I will camp by myself.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
Now, do you still have a dog?
Speaker 1 (38:32):
Right?
Speaker 2 (38:32):
Do you have a dog right now? Are you?
Speaker 3 (38:35):
I've lost both of them last year.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (38:38):
Yeah they were awesome, but yeah, now no, Yeah, I
haven't really done any hiking or any camping you know
much that since then. And I'll get back into it,
but yeah, it's gonna take me a while before i'll
you know, get into where it's real bushy or anything
to do any camping alone. And I doubt I'll do it,
I really do.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
Yeah, there's some creepy stuff that goes on out there,
you know, stories of like what you saw that day. Yeah,
with that showed up in those pictures actually, which is amazing.
I'm sure you're going dang it. I wish because you
know that was back in the day when we right,
you send in the film and you get actual pictures back,
you know, so it's not like it's in the clouds somewhere.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (39:23):
So yeah, I just I mean speaking of like something
like that, you know, you're speaking like the like orbs.
There was something I uhould travel to to Wyoming. I
used to go to Tona Pod hit the six, you know,
to Ee, and there was outside of Ee, you know,
they're fifty miles, you know, before you hit Solid or
before you hit.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
Utah, there was this old casino cafe.
Speaker 4 (39:44):
It was just like it had a little bar and
there was like three stop machines, the old school ones.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
And I remember going in there with my cousin and
his wife.
Speaker 4 (39:52):
At the time was a big snow story and I said,
pull off, heir, show you this a little bar, had
a couple of beers and play the stop machines and
those Kodak disposal cameras, you know.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
And I look back.
Speaker 4 (40:03):
I still have the pictures somewhere, but you could see
all these like orbs in the pictures, you know, And
they don't ask the lady, you know, has anybody ever
died here or what?
Speaker 3 (40:12):
I She said, Well, the owner lived in back here.
Speaker 4 (40:14):
It was like a house turned into a.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
Cafe and like a little bar, you know, like a
little horseshoe bar.
Speaker 4 (40:20):
And he passed away in here years ago and I
thought maybe that was a spirit or something. But yeah,
I don't know, just speaking of the old you know,
Kodak film and all that and spocal cameras.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
Yeah, Northern Nevada has a lot of cool history too.
Speaker 4 (40:37):
Oh yeah, and I guess set time talking about Nevada
it's been I think it was like early two thousands.
It was a a friend of mine his wife, and
we came back down here for his sister's wedding and
we were heading back to Wyoming and it was probably
like two o'clock in the morning, and we were probably
(40:57):
I don't know if you've ever been on a six
past tone Paul where it turns off to the Alien
Highway Exttrescial Highway through seventy five.
Speaker 3 (41:07):
If you pass that, probably you know you get in
a big valley there.
Speaker 4 (41:11):
And it was like, I don't know, one, two three
in the morning, and I was telling them about, you know,
this is where I always see some weird stuff in
the sky, like UFOs, and they're laughing at me about it.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
And it wasn't like five minutes later.
Speaker 4 (41:23):
It looked like the old assignmon says, you know where
you push the butt back from your kid.
Speaker 3 (41:27):
Was like orange, yellow, blue green, you know, slip little
sponsor type by.
Speaker 4 (41:32):
It just appeared over the mountains towards the south, and
it was so huge. I mean his wife like looked
over and literally just locked the brakes up in the
vehicle and it set it sideways.
Speaker 3 (41:44):
We're going probably seventy miles an hour.
Speaker 4 (41:46):
Just said it sideways, and they just went into a
total trance and like dumbfounded and were just like wow,
look at that. You know, we didn't say anything, but
it was just that they're hovered and boom, it just
disappeared like that, and they were still shocked. Like after
it took off, I said, I told you guys, you know.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
It almost like you called it in or something. Gary, gosh,
yeah again.
Speaker 3 (42:10):
The cell services it'll slip zone time, you.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
Know, yeah yeah yeah, time to call the UFOs in,
Like let's get Gary.
Speaker 3 (42:20):
Yeah. Man, that was it was something.
Speaker 4 (42:23):
But ever since then they're like, no, we've seen something,
because before they just laugh at me about it, and
then it just the way she they were just total
shocked with their mouths open and she locked up the
cars total sideways to stopped like.
Speaker 3 (42:36):
Dead silence, like oh my god, what is that?
Speaker 2 (42:38):
You know? Well, how big do you think it was?
Speaker 3 (42:43):
My estimation? I mean that if you've ever been down that.
Speaker 4 (42:46):
Stretch of road and you look off to the right,
you know there's a mountain range way out there, probably
another twenty miles out there. So but this thing was
so huge that like it, I would say it had
to have been a couple of miles of you know length.
Speaker 3 (43:04):
It was huge.
Speaker 2 (43:06):
Yeah, that'll do it. That will make people change their minds.
I would say, yeah, well, Gary, was there anything else
that you if you wanted to add, or any more
stories that you wanted to share or anything. I didn't ask.
Speaker 3 (43:21):
That's pretty much about all I've got, you know. And
I thought, well, I've been going.
Speaker 4 (43:26):
Over these for a lot of years. I listened to
your show and listened to the West over there in
Saspar count calls, and I thought, you know whatever, I'll.
Speaker 3 (43:32):
Just call it and maybe give them, you know.
Speaker 4 (43:35):
A couple of my sightings I've seen and get people
interested maybe checking out the areas or something and seeing
if they can find anything spotchy or whatnot.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
Heck yeah, and if you go out there and you
need your pants changed, then you know, get in touch.
And I know that Gary would like to hear if
you had an experience in the same area.
Speaker 3 (43:52):
Yeah, for sure, Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (43:54):
Gary, I really appreciate you being willing to come on
and share with us.
Speaker 3 (43:57):
Oh, thank you, Shy, I appreciate thank you. Have a
good day.
Speaker 7 (44:03):
Well I'm so and so. I was given a slave
by my parents type business. I've been out of college,
I've done these things in my profession, and I produce
a little bag. But it says, forget it, that's not
that's someone story, that's all gone, that's all passed. And
I'm hot to see that.
Speaker 3 (44:20):
Really you who are now? When nobody knows who their
names because we don't know.
Speaker 7 (44:28):
Our selves except from listening to Marcos and consulting.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
Are the members?
Speaker 7 (44:34):
But then that's a really And then again it's expect
to this question, God are you?
Speaker 2 (44:42):
That is the meaning.
Speaker 7 (44:45):
We shall see how they play with this exp by
the cost to get you to come out of your
show and find out.
Speaker 6 (44:53):
I'm very cold. It's steps, it's Christmas, it's it's it's speaks,
(45:40):
it's it's it's.
Speaker 7 (46:46):
For example, are quite divided on us. They will say, no,
we don't believe literally in reincarnation that after your funeral
you will suddenly become somebody different somewhere else. They will say.
Reincarnation means this that if you're sitting here now, are
(47:07):
really convinced that you're the same person a bolder at
the door half a hour ago, you'll be reincarnated if
you're liberate with wells now that you're gone. The past
hasn't been tested, The future doesn't existence.
Speaker 3 (47:23):
There is only the present.
Speaker 6 (47:25):
That's the only amenium there is.
Speaker 7 (47:28):
The send master, don't get in this space in the
spring does.
Speaker 1 (47:33):
Not become the sum.
Speaker 7 (47:36):
First there is sam and then there is spring.
Speaker 6 (48:08):
It's it's it's, it's, it's, it's t s isn't.
Speaker 7 (49:31):
That's the same idea where he says, when you've settled
down in the train, you can read your newspaper, and
so you're not the same person while to go and
live the plan. If you think you are, you are
linking your moments up in the check And this is
(49:51):
what binds thee when you know that every moment of
which you are is the only one. This comes intos air.
The last will say from somebody, I cannot have a
walk across the room and it can be back.
Speaker 3 (50:07):
And he says, where are your foot.
Speaker 7 (50:11):
They've gone, So where are you?
Speaker 4 (50:14):
Who are you?
Speaker 7 (50:15):
When we are asked who we are, we usually give
a kind of recitation of an industry instring for instence, inspience,
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