iNTO THE FRAY 504: Relocation of Consciousness

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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that's joshuap Warren dot com. On this episode of Into
the Fray, I welcome Hope on with me. She got
in touch after she saw my Instagram plea video. I guess, right,
is the best way to label that is what I
was doing, just always throwing the line out. And she
also sent along the list of things that we are

(02:45):
going to be talking about, and I'm very much looking
forward to that. Hope, welcome on the show.

Speaker 3 (02:52):
Hi, Shannon, thank you so much for having me Into
the Fray today. I'm really excited to be here.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
So I know that a lot of this stuff happy
and began when you were young, So if it's okay
with you, I would kind of like to go in
as much order as we can from the beginning.

Speaker 3 (03:11):
Okay, Well, I started having supernatural experiences at about the
age of four, and some of I've had a handful
of experiences, some of them stand out, and so those
are the ones that I'm going to try and discuss today.
But at the age of four, I began seeing spirits

(03:32):
and ghosts, and I didn't at the time know that
that's what it was, because to me they seemed real.
They seem like real people that I could talk to.
And the first time that I saw, when I was
four years old, I had been sent to bed. It
was probably past nine o'clock at night, and at the

(03:53):
time I was living with my maternal grandmother. I didn't
live with my parents at the time, and I lived
with some of my uncle and my grandfather as well.
It was a large household and at the time my
aunt was ill. She was living in a separate home,
and my grandmother and my uncle were on the phone

(04:13):
talking to her husband and the doctor that was at
her home, and they sent me to bed. So I
went to bed, I said my prayers, and then I
saw my aunt standing in the room with me, and
she said, go tell them that I've already passed away,
and to have the doctor go check on me. He's
in the living room and I'm upstairs, but I'm already deceased.

(04:36):
So I went out to the living room and my
grandmother and my uncle were on the phone, and I
interrupted their phone call, and I said, my aunt said,
is in the room with me, and she said to
come tell you that she's already passed away and that
the doctor needs to go check on her. And they
sent me back to bed. They didn't really say anything

(04:58):
to me. So I went back to bed and my
aunt was still there, and this time she was on
my bed. I could still see her, and I could
see her just as a regular person as if you know,
I had seen her when she was alive and she
was healthy, and I had, you know, spent time with her.
So she told me the same thing again, Go tell

(05:20):
them that they need to go chuck on me. So
this time I went, and this time they did get
upset at me, and so I said, you know, my
aunt is in the room and she's telling me that
she's already passed away. So they sent me back to
my room. My grandmother did yell at me, and then
I did hear they both started crying, and I did

(05:42):
hear my grandmother say that my aunt had passed away
and that the doctor had checked on her. The rest
of the family came out and everyone was crowded around
the phone, and I just stayed in my room. My
aunt stayed there with me for quite some time, and
she explained to me that when a spirit passes away,

(06:02):
sometimes they're given a grace of visiting somebody that's able
to see them so that they can say goodbye or
pass along a message. But not every spirit gets to
do that. That's a special grace. It's granted just to
some of them. And she had that. And because I
was able to see her and speak to her, the

(06:23):
conversation was telepathic. I did not speak to her in words,
and she did not speak to me in words. This
is a telepathic communication that we had, although at four
years old, I didn't know what telepathy was. I just
know that we were having a conversation that I could
hear in my head. And that was the first experience

(06:44):
that I had seeing a ghost, seeing a spirit, and
it's my first memory of a supernatural encounter.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
Hope, were you very close with your your aunt or
you just were probably maybe the only one that could
see her and speak to her.

Speaker 3 (07:03):
I wasn't particularly close to that aunt. I did see her,
I would spend time with her, but we didn't have
a very close relationship.

Speaker 4 (07:12):
I would say I was the.

Speaker 3 (07:15):
Available person that could see her and that could deliver
her message that she was already deceased. She wanted to
let the family know that she had already passed away
and was in the afterlife, that she was okay was
the message that I received.

Speaker 4 (07:32):
So I don't think it had.

Speaker 3 (07:34):
Anything to do with our closeness in particular, but I
think because of my age, some children are more open,
I think, to having supernatural experiences because they haven't been
conditioned yet to not accept supernatural experiences, so they're more
susceptible to them. So I think it had to do

(07:55):
with my age and also some abilities that I still
have till today to communicate with spirits that have gone
onto the afterlife.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
Now I know that we have more to talk about
that occurred when you were young. But after your grandmother
yells at you or something like that that ends up
being true, you still got yelled at for it. So
did that squash any communication or you sharing things like
this with your family after that?

Speaker 4 (08:23):
It did.

Speaker 3 (08:24):
I had a few other experiences that I tried to
share with my family and the response was pretty much,
you're seeing things or your child so maybe you saw
something else or you're confused, And so I learned to
keep the experiences that I was having, because I kept
having them to myself and not share them with people,

(08:48):
or not share them with my family because of that
reaction that I got.

Speaker 4 (08:52):
The reaction was.

Speaker 3 (08:53):
Always you're seeing something, or you have a very creative imagination,
or your confus used, or maybe you had a dream,
or you were tired. But on this occasion where I
saw my aunt, my uncle did talk to me the
next day and he asked me how I knew that
my aunt had passed away, and I said, well, you know,
she came in my room and she told me, and

(09:15):
he didn't reply to that. We were having lunch and
he just kept eating and it wasn't discussed again in
the future. When I had other experiences and I told
them while I was very young, I eventually just learned
to keep them to myself.

Speaker 2 (09:29):
Yeah, I could imagine, especially at that age. You know,
that's the age when you're looking for the support and
for some confirmation that you know, because at that point
you didn't know that that was probably even something strange.
Maybe you thought everybody could just talk to these random
people that are really not supposed to even be there.

Speaker 3 (09:48):
Right, I was seeing things that other people were not seeing.
But in my mind I thought that this was normal
and that everyone was having these experiences, so that when
I saw something, I thought that these were experiences that
everyone around me had or that they could relate to
them because maybe it had also happened to them.

Speaker 4 (10:10):
But of course that wasn't the case.

Speaker 3 (10:12):
And what I learned was as I got older and
even into adulthood, was just to not share the experiences
until finally I just had a I would say an
awakening I think last year where I said, you know,
I'm going to step up and talk about these things
that have happened to me, because they did happen, and
it's a sort of a testimony to other people that

(10:34):
have had the same experience and have seen things and
maybe they don't have an explanation for it, but they
want to voice what they've seen. They want to, you know,
be part of a community that maybe has had these
experiences or at least can validate them. And I think
that's really.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
Important, absolutely one hundred percent. And you know, looking back
as a kid, in your mind, you're like, I'm just
trying to share some information here. You know, that's as
far as it was for you. You weren't trying to
upset anyone or come up with some fantastical story. And
besides the fact that it turned out to be true,

(11:12):
which is incredible and sad, of course, but that was
it boiled down to. You were just trying to share
information that your aunt told you.

Speaker 3 (11:21):
Right, And I think that that happens to children as
a whole. And I'm talking you know from my experience,
was that through my family reacting like that, that began
what I called the conditioning. And for me, the conditioning
is squashing the supernatural in our lives. I do believe
that the supernatural is natural, and what I mean by

(11:44):
that is that I think, you know, we are part
supernatural beings, but we don't always acknowledge that part of ourselves.
We're conditioned through society, through our families, even through some
religions where the supernatural is just.

Speaker 4 (11:59):
It.

Speaker 3 (12:00):
It seems like it's something that happened maybe in the
Bible if someone's a Christian, or in the past, but
not something that is in the present or that we
can experience in the present. But that's just not the case.
People are having experiences every single day, but people aren't
talking about it because they don't want to get these
mixed reactions from family, from friends, from their community, and

(12:22):
so they're reaching out in places like YouTube, finding communities,
finding groups and forms to talk about these things that
are happening to people that society just doesn't want to
talk about or acknowledge.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
Now, was your childhood nd prior to the fairy or
the other way around?

Speaker 3 (12:44):
It was prior to the fairy. I had two nd experiences,
one in twenty twenty, and then my first one is
actually a birth ND. I did not have a memory
of it until I had my second one. And when
I came back from that NDE experience in twenty twenty

(13:05):
where I was in a coma for eight days, I
had full memories of the first one and what had happened,
and all of the memories from that came back and
I was able to access those memories. And so it
was before the feary experience, which was when I was
five years old.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
Yeah, so what so after the twenty twenty d E,
what did you remember about the birth end?

Speaker 3 (13:33):
Well, after the twenty twenty d I'd had some memories.
I'd had some memories of being in a vehicle when
I was born, and also being able to see the hospital,
the hospital setting, and some of the things that happened.
But I wasn't sure why I had those impressions or

(13:54):
those memories. After twenty twenty, when I was able to
access the memories of the birth and de what I
remember is my mother had me prematurely. I was born
at seven months, so two months early, and I weighed
three pounds. I also had lung problems. I was in
an incubator for thirty days, and so when I was born,

(14:18):
I did have some respiratory problems.

Speaker 4 (14:20):
And what happened was I stopped.

Speaker 3 (14:22):
Breathing in the car on the way to the hospital,
and so my soul left my body, my baby body,
and I remember being able to see the car as
it approached the hospital, and then the entrance of the hospital.
I remember seeing a wheelchair. I remember being able to

(14:43):
see people personally, you know, hospital staff. And then what
I remember is to the left of the hospital main
entrance what appeared to be a sort of gray round
entrance to a tunnel, and so I did go in there,
and as I proceeded through that tunnel, it seemed to

(15:07):
be composed or made out of different colored lights, grays, purples, blues,
and some white lights just intertwined and mixed in together,
and they seemed to be swirling and forming this tunnel.
And at the end of this tunnel, as I drifted through,
it felt very peaceful.

Speaker 4 (15:28):
Very loving.

Speaker 3 (15:29):
I didn't have a shape or anything like that.

Speaker 4 (15:33):
I was just like a spiritself.

Speaker 3 (15:36):
And I remember at the end of the tunnel seeing
what I would now describe as my great grandmother, and
my great great grandmother, a figure that looked like Jesus,
what I would describe as Jesus, and a dog actually
that I would have later in life.

Speaker 4 (15:53):
I would adopt this.

Speaker 3 (15:54):
Dog in my twenties and I had a very close
relationship with that dog. For some reason, he was there
in spirit form to greet me. But as I got
to the end of that tunnel, I was told by
Jesus that it was not my time and that I
had to go back. And then what I remember next

(16:15):
is actually being born and taking that first breath, and
that is the end of my memory of my birth
and Dee.

Speaker 4 (16:26):
And then I.

Speaker 3 (16:27):
Did to validate that, I did go back and I
did research in the hospital that I was born in,
and I looked up some photographs and things like that,
and it did look the same as I remembered at
the time.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
Wow, did that? Were you really shocked by that? By
this time? I'm sure all a whole lot of other
things had happened by the time. Maybe you saw those photos.
Were you surprised by that or you were, like, I
knew that it would look this way.

Speaker 4 (16:57):
I was.

Speaker 3 (16:58):
I would say I was pleasantly surprised. It was nice
to see. I remembered it as a blue building with
certain decor, and I remembered the cars and the trees
on the outside of it. It was a very pretty entrance,
and I had that memory that I held on to.
When I saw it, it was I was just pleasantly surprised.

(17:20):
It was a really nice confirmation that yes, I did
remember it, and it did look like that, and that
even the colors, down to the detail of the blue
and white of the entrance was the same. And I
was really excited about that. It just confirmed that my
memory was correct.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
And then you mentioned in your email that you feel
that this NDE really elevated your frequency.

Speaker 3 (17:47):
Right, Yes, I think what happened was I think when
someone has an experience like that, I mean, I can
only speak for myself. But I think what happened was
that that sort of left a energetic, energetic portal open
in my mind where it made me more perceptive to

(18:10):
the spiritual or maybe seeing things. I think little children
do have that naturally within them, and that as we
get older that sort of goes away that frequency where
we can receive that and we're more open to it.
I think that that experience made that remain open for me,

(18:31):
so that as I grew older, it didn't necessarily close up.
It didn't close me up to the experiences I was having.
It remained open and active. And when I see it
in my mind's eye, it is behind my left ear
as a ring of light that is sort of blue
green color. It's very beautiful and sometimes to me it

(18:56):
seems like it glows when it's active, and then sometimes
it's dormant and it's just there. But it's something that
eraises my frequency and had it remained that way throughout
my life.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
So this next thing I'm very excited to hear about
because I do love fairies in the fay and all
of these kinds of things. And I don't know if
you did get a chance to go listen to that
episode that I mentioned to you about Max Hawthorne and
his daughter saw that fairy. I did, Yeah, that did
listen to that pretty awesome, right, It was.

Speaker 3 (19:29):
Awesome, a very detailed experience. I loved his description of
what they saw, and I did listen to the episode
that very same day that you suggested it.

Speaker 4 (19:40):
How it compares to.

Speaker 3 (19:42):
His is I would say, and I'll go into this
in more detail, but the height and the wings that
he described, I would say, are similar to what I saw.
He described it as being I think about a foot
tall and went into detail about the wings, and I
would say that that compares to what I saw as well.

(20:04):
So that also validated something for me. And I actually
listened to that podcast twice because I liked it so
much and I wanted to listen to all the details.
But I was five years old and I was living
with my grandmother at the time, and I would say
it was about eight or nine o'clock at night. My
family had just had dinner, and everyone was inside clearing

(20:27):
dishes and just hanging out in the living room, and
I went outside to get some fresh air. My grandmother
had a very large porch with some chairs, some tables,
and some rocking chairs, and that porch faced a large garden,
and the garden had all sorts of fruit trees and vegetation.

(20:48):
I remember it had a very large almond tree, which
I really loved because at nights sometimes owls would come
and perch on it, and I would go watch the owls.
I was fascinated by owls for some reason. But that
night I was standing on the porch and it was
a cool evening. There were some clouds in the sky,
you could see some stars, but it had been raining

(21:10):
earlier in the day, so the air was a little
bit damp.

Speaker 4 (21:13):
It was a little bit cool.

Speaker 3 (21:15):
And as I stood there, I just saw her and
she was flying across the yard horizontally, and she just
stopped for a moment in front of me and turned
to look at me, and it was as if time
stood still for a few seconds. I don't know how

(21:36):
long I would say we were like that, but she
looked at me, I looked at her told me what
she was, which was a fairy. And my experience at
that point was, you know, reading about them, maybe in
a book or a story, or in a movie, like
you know, maybe Cinderella or Sleeping Beauty. I think had

(21:57):
some of it, you know, cartoons or movies, things like that,
But it also didn't occur to me to question whether
what I was seeing was real or not. I disaccepted
it as a real experience. And as she looked at me,
we had this telepathic conversation, and the conversation was, this
is what I am.

Speaker 4 (22:18):
I'm a fairy.

Speaker 3 (22:19):
And she said, it's a damp night outside today.

Speaker 4 (22:22):
And she was.

Speaker 3 (22:22):
Wearing a very heavy red cloak with a hood that
was covering her hair, but her hair.

Speaker 4 (22:29):
Was coming down.

Speaker 3 (22:31):
She was suspended in the air, and her hair was
coming down the sides of the cloak, and it was
a very yellow blonde color.

Speaker 4 (22:39):
It was glowing.

Speaker 3 (22:41):
Her skin was a very golden like peach tone color,
very pretty. Her eyes were very wide, wider than a
human eye. It took up more space in her face
than a human face.

Speaker 4 (22:56):
I would say. Her eyes were maybe twice.

Speaker 3 (22:58):
As large as human eyes, with very beautiful blue eyes,
very deep set. And then her left hand was outstretched
and she had a wand. The wand was maybe ten
inches long, and this wand was emanating light, and that
light was radiating to the front of her and then

(23:20):
around the wand and around her, encompassing her in sort
of like a golden halo of light. And she explained
to me that that's how she was able to fly,
because her wings were tucked into the cloak because it
was a cold night out it had been raining. She
was using this what I would call a device in

(23:43):
order to get around. And so this was the instantaneous
communication and information that went back and forth in just
a matter of seconds. But it was a moment that
was suspended in time, a moment I'll never forget that
brings me joy every time I think about it. She

(24:03):
was about a foot long. I would say. I could
not see her feet. I could not see her right arm,
it was sort of tucked into her cloak. But I
could see her left arm, and I could see the
wand I could see her full face and then her hair.
And she was glowing, not because she was physically glowing,

(24:25):
but because this device that we would call a wand
for her was encircling her in some sort of light
that was able to suspend her and allow her to fly.
And after this exchange, and she smiled at me, she
flew up and around the fence and into the neighbor's

(24:45):
yard and I didn't see her anymore, and I immediately
turned around and went back inside, and I told my
family what I had seen. I was so excited and
I was trying to get their attention, and they laughed
and they said, well, you know, we live close to
an airport.

Speaker 4 (25:00):
Were you looking at the sky.

Speaker 3 (25:02):
You probably saw an airplane or maybe a helicopter, or
maybe a car drove by, and you saw light. Because
I was trying to explain to them that she was glowing,
that there was a light that I could see. It's
like a golden radiant light around her, and they said,
you probably saw something in the sky, and so it
was dismissed and I never talked about it again. This

(25:26):
is actually the first time that I have talked about
it since I was five.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
Wow. Well, I'm humbled by that. Thank you, Hope. But
I'm sure that yet again, you were completely shut down
when you tried to share this.

Speaker 3 (25:42):
Yes, And that goes back to what I was saying
before that I think it's important to acknowledge people, no
matter what their age, whether their children or as adults,
when they share.

Speaker 4 (25:57):
Something like this.

Speaker 3 (25:58):
Is to acknowledge them them and validate them and listen
to them. That they're seeing something, that something has happened
out of the ordinary, and that these experiences are not
outside of us or things that are not happening. That
like I said, the I consider the supernatural natural. It

(26:19):
happens every day where you're supernatural beings. And this was
a moment in my life that I will never forget.
I cannot explain the suspended time, or maybe you have
a better phrase for it, but it was as if
time stopped, I would say, maybe for thirty seconds where

(26:40):
we had this interchange, this back and forth, this telepathic communication,
and what I picked up from her was warmth, love.

Speaker 4 (26:52):
Joy, beauty.

Speaker 3 (26:54):
She was just beautiful to look at and that I
was seeing something amazing. I knew that at that age
that I was seeing something that was a gift and
was amazing.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
Do you feel like if any other of your family
members were standing out on that porch with you, that
A you wouldn't have had the experience at all, or
B she still would have shown up. You could see her,
but that person could not.

Speaker 3 (27:22):
That's a great question. I don't have an answer to that.
I've never had a shared experience where I've seen something
with someone else with me. It's always when I'm by myself,
I wish I'd have that shared experience, because then I
could validate that for myself that I'm seeing something, I'm
looking at something, and there's someone else with me that

(27:44):
is having the same experience. I think if it had
happened with someone else there, it's possible I may just
have been able to see her myself, and that they
would not have been able to see it, And that
would have been okay for me too, you know, just
to have the experience and to have been able to
see her, to have that memory for myself is just wonderful.

(28:08):
So I think if somebody had been there with me,
I may have been able to still see her, But
I don't think it would have been a shared experience.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
I think it's of course better this way, just in
the fact that part of your experience would have been
looking over at this other person or trying to try
voice to them, look at her, don't you see her?
I think that would have taken away from it for you.

Speaker 4 (28:38):
I think so.

Speaker 3 (28:39):
And I also think that when something like that happens,
some of us are selected or chosen to have the experience,
Although certainly things can happen spontaneously where we see things
maybe that weren't expected, But I think some of us
are chosen to see different things and have different Neames experiences. So,

(29:02):
like you mentioned, that's such a good point. I'm glad
it happened when I was by myself and that it
was my own experience. I didn't have to share it
with anyone. I didn't have to confirm it with anyone,
and it's my own memory, and I'm glad it happened
just as it did, and I think that that's how
it was supposed to happen.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
Absolutely, I one hundred percent agree with that. How far
away do you suppose she was from you?

Speaker 3 (29:30):
She was maybe about five feet for me, because I
was right at the edge of the porch, and so
the porch was made out of very heavy tile, and
I was right at the edge of the porch. I
could feel that night air coming in. I could still
feel that dampness from the rain. I remember looking up
at the sky and I could see the moon. It

(29:51):
was partially hidden by clouds. Like I mentioned, it had
been raining earlier that day, and when she came in,
I saw her out of the corners of my eye
at first, because she was glowing. That's what caught my attention,
and then I saw her in front of me. She
was probably four or five feet away from me, and

(30:11):
like I said, she was probably about a foot in length,
So we're not talking about, you know, a small being
like I would think of from watching movies or cartoons
or descriptions and books. But she was about a foot
in length.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
That is an incredible experience. I just love faeries and
the fae, and listen, as you well know, hope they're
not all flitting around positive happy kinds of entities, beings,
whatever you want to call them, right, some of them
are quite scary and negative. I had a woman named
pam On many years ago that people still talk about,

(30:53):
and her experiences are completely in the opposite direction of yours.
So I love, I do love to hear the positive,
of course, and the negative. There's the light in the
dark for everything, right.

Speaker 4 (31:07):
I think there is. And I have heard of.

Speaker 3 (31:12):
Fairies that have negative connotations or that people have run
into them in the woods, children, even adults in different countries.
I personally don't know anyone that's had that experience, And
like you mentioned, that wasn't my experience. My experience was overwhelmingly,
overwhelmingly positive and something that I remember every time I

(31:36):
remember it and relived that moment. I can feel that
same emotion that I felt when I was five, and
that feeling that flooded me of just friendliness and warmth
and love and joy. And that's something that I cannot
explain why that happened, why I felt that. But I
felt very calm and very peaceful in her presence, with.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
Your frequency obviously being high, and you sound like a
very positive person to me, and you haven't essentially really
embraced all of this stuff you said, especially since last year.
Do you wonder if maybe you could somehow similar to
CE five Folks for UFOs, which I know we're going
to that subject at some point during this discussion, but

(32:23):
have you ever thought I wonder if I put it
out into the ether that I wanted to see her again,
if I could make that happen.

Speaker 3 (32:32):
Well, that is something that I practice, And like you mentioned,
we will be discussing UFO's leader because there is such
a thing as summoning. However, I've never tried summoning a being.
I see this citing as a one time gift. I'd
be curious if if I do think about it, or

(32:54):
if I projected, if I maybe could have that experience again.
But my feeling, might feeling is that that was a
once in a lifetime moment that's not going to be repeated.
It was like a gift that was given to a
little girl who was open to it and receptive, and
I saw it and I remember it. I would love

(33:14):
to see it again in a different setting. I would
love to experience that again. But my feeling is that
that was a one time thing that it's not going
to come back, but it's a memory that brings me
a lot of joy.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
Yeah, that's that's probably smart, right, Like why tamper with
something that is a beautiful experience and not to don't
push it, as they say.

Speaker 3 (33:39):
Right, And you also don't want to invite something in
that may cause a negative experience, As you mentioned, some
people have had these negative experience with these beings, and
so I also don't want to invite something in that
could be negative or that is going to somehow give
a negative kind of to the good experience I already had.

(34:04):
I think I'm satisfied with what I saw and what happened,
and I don't want to recreate.

Speaker 2 (34:10):
It, especially knowing what I have even just brought up
about PAM is they could come in initially like something
beautiful and positive and light and love, and they're just
tricking you, right.

Speaker 3 (34:27):
I think you know these beings, I have heard of
people having negative experience with them, and I think that
if you try to invite it in without them in
inviting themselves in. I don't know if that makes sense.
But if you're selected to have the experience, and you
have the experience and it's positive, I think leave it there.

(34:50):
If you try to recreate the experience, if reach out
again and again, you might get something negative. Because there's
both love and there's darkness. There's light and darkness and everything,
including supernatural beings, I would say, especially in supernatural beings.
And so I wouldn't go out of my way to

(35:11):
invite something in that might cause me to have a
negative experience. And you know, like you mentioned PAM, that's
not something that I want to experience or have in
my frequency or in my energy field, and not something
that I want to invite in.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
Yeah, I completely agree. Well, where would you like to
go next, Hope?

Speaker 3 (35:34):
I think I'm ready to discuss the UFO experiences that
I've had and where that's led me and how it happened.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
Yeah, go right ahead.

Speaker 3 (35:46):
Well, my first experience was in two thousand and nine,
so it was some time ago. And at the time
I was actually I was working in government contracting. I
worked in government contracting for over a decas And the
firm that I worked with was in Washington, D C.
And they specialized in designing weapons of war and stealth

(36:09):
planes for war. And we worked with Department of Defense
and the Pentagon and other companies like Lockheed Martin to
design these planes and weapons of warfare. And I was
a research analyst. While I was working for that firm,
I had heard about UFOs frequently. Actually, I did have

(36:32):
some employees that had told me they had seen UFOs
hovering over the Pentagon, they had seen them in Washington,
D C. On several occasions, and I just did not
believe them. The videos that were coming out at the time.
This was before you know, the iPhone and people being
able to capture.

Speaker 4 (36:52):
Them the way they do today. So the videos that would.

Speaker 3 (36:55):
Come out the documentaries were always greeny. There was never
any proof, and I felt that anything that people were
seeing were maybe you know, military projects or military planes
that were being developed that were just being tested, and
that's what people were seeing. And so I really didn't
credit any of their stories.

Speaker 4 (37:17):
I didn't validate any of them. I was very dismissive
of it, of the whole UFO.

Speaker 3 (37:22):
I called it the UFO conspiracy theory, and I didn't
buy into it until I had my own experience, and
that changed everything for me. So in two thousand and nine,
I was in the DC area and I had been
invited to my parents to their house for dinner, and
some of my relatives were there, including my maternal grandmother,

(37:44):
who is part of my UFO experience because I learned
later it's generational and she has had several experiences herself
her had she passed away in twenty nineteen. And so
I went to this dinner party and I brought my
dog with me.

Speaker 4 (38:01):
His name was Jake.

Speaker 3 (38:03):
And after dinner, I went to bed in the guest
bedroom was in the basement, and in the basement there
was also a door, a doorway that led out to
the garden. And I went to bed, and it was
probably around eleven, close to twelve o'clock at night, and
I had already walked my dog. I had already walked Jake,

(38:23):
had given him him treats. Jake would sleep with me.
I had tucked him in with his blanket and pillow.
We were ready for bed. I was very tired, and
all of a sudden, Jake just wanted to go outside,
and I got upset with him, and he kept insisting
he was at the door. He was whining, he was
wagging his tail. He's part shelty, and his body language

(38:48):
was like pointing towards the door. I don't know if
that makes sense, but he was just indicating towards the door.
And he did that for about fifteen minutes, and finally
I was like, you know, Jake, all right, you know
what I'm just I'm not going to walk you out
on the sidewalk, but I'm going to let you out
in the garden and you know, do your business. We'll
come back in, we'll go to sleep. So I took

(39:09):
him outside and I let him out and he sat down.
He didn't do anything. And at that moment I was
standing in the garden, it was I noticed it was
very dark outside. There was also no noise, and when
I looked up, I could not see any stars, but
it was not cloudy. I'm not sure how to explain that,

(39:30):
except that it was as if the area of the
sky that I was looking at was covered. And then
I saw a small point of light and it blinked
three times, and it was the only thing that I
could see in the sky. And for some reason, I
immediately knew that what I was looking at was not

(39:53):
a plane or a helicopter or you know, maybe a
satellite or something. It looked to be something else. So
as I watched it, two other points of light came
and also blinked, and they formed a triangle formation. So
the first light that I saw was the main point

(40:14):
of light, and the other two lights lined up, I
would say, behind it to form a very large triangle
in the sky. And so this wasn't one large craft.

Speaker 4 (40:27):
These were three.

Speaker 3 (40:28):
Separate crafts in a triangle formation. Is the impression that
I got from how they maneuvered and how the lights
are blinking and how they positioned themselves. I knew that
I was looking at something that was not man made,
and all I could do was stand there and look

(40:49):
up at the sky, and I forgot about my dog,
and I forgot about everything that was going on.

Speaker 4 (40:56):
Around me.

Speaker 3 (40:58):
For a few minutes, all I could do was stare
at the sky and look at this triangle formation that
was now still.

Speaker 4 (41:05):
They were no longer blinking.

Speaker 3 (41:08):
The sighting lasted twenty two minutes, and I'm not sure
how I know that it lasted exactly twenty two earthly minutes,
except that that's just what I know. It lasted twenty
two minutes, and it's a very detailed sighting. And I'll
go into what happened is I was looking at them,

(41:31):
I was translated into one.

Speaker 4 (41:35):
Of the ships.

Speaker 3 (41:36):
I would call it a vmana. A vimana are smaller
shuttle ships that come from the mothership. So there's a
main ship or ufo, if that's what you want to
call it, I call it a mother ship. The vermanas
are shuttle ships that are charted out, and when somebody

(41:58):
has a sighting, they are mainly looking at these smaller
shuttle ships, not the main mother ship, than a stationed
somewhere in our atmosphere. I was translated into one of
these shuttle ships, and what I saw were three human
like beings, except they were about eight or nine feet tall.

(42:21):
They were a little bit thinner than a human man,
not too much. Thinner, but thinner, they still look fit.
They were very pale. They were white, but their skin
had more of a olive tone to it, and their
hair was brown. It was light brown. It was wavy.
It came down to their shoulders. Their eyes were brown.

(42:45):
They were the same size as human eyes, and they
look on human except for the fact that they were
about eight or nine feet tall. They were wearing robes,
and the robes were like an off white color. The
materials seemed to be like a thick linen material with
a sash running across the chest and then to the

(43:08):
side on their waist. They were wearing what appeared to
be sandals. I don't know what the material was made of.
They were brown. You could see their toes through these sandals.
I don't know if there were leather sandals or if
there were another material, but they look like sandals that
we would wear, like sandals they would wear in the

(43:29):
Middle East. Actually is what they look like, men's sandals.
There were three of them. Two of them were seated
at the front of the craft, one was seated at
the back. One of them was seated and he was
the pilot.

Speaker 4 (43:42):
He was.

Speaker 3 (43:45):
Touching or holding a what they used to maneuver the craft.
I don't know what it's called. It looked like a
stick shift.

Speaker 4 (43:53):
You know in old.

Speaker 3 (43:54):
Cars, how they used to have stick shift where you
could change the gear of the car. Well, that's what
it looked like, except it was a lot longer and
seemed almost crystal like with a knob on the top.
And that's what was being used to fly this shuttle.
There was another one seated to the left of him,

(44:14):
and then the third one was seated at the back
of the shuttle in a long seat that was sort
of carved into the shuttle. The seats were not separate.
It was almost like they were part of the craft.
I'm not sure how to explain it, but it was
like they were carved into the design and it looked
very modern and sleek, and so that's what they were

(44:35):
sitting in with these spaces that were carved into it.

Speaker 4 (44:40):
Already.

Speaker 3 (44:41):
They were all dressed the same. They were all wearing
what I described, and like I said, the colors were
off white, a little bit shimmery with an almost gold
tone to it, where maybe the thread had like a
metallic or gold tone to it. They didn't have any
facial hair like I mentioned, their hair was like a

(45:03):
very light brown color and was wavy and probably down
to their shoulders. And they all looked the same. They
looked almost like twins. They all looked very similar.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
Do you think there's any connection with the blinking three
times and then there's three of these beings and it
maybe even over the years, maybe something has come to you,
or maybe not, maybe it means nothing about it. How
you know that it lasted twenty two minutes? Do you
think there's anything to that.

Speaker 3 (45:38):
I'm not sure how I knew that it was twenty
two minutes. I just know that the amount of time
that I was out there and was able to see
them was twenty two minutes. I don't know why that
information was left for me or given to me. I
don't think there's any connection in them blinking three times
times and being in a trying formation, which is also

(46:01):
you know, a pattern of three, and then they're being
three inside of the shuttle. I'm not sure there could be.
What I know is that they when they do fly,
they fly information together and they fly in triangle formations.

Speaker 4 (46:15):
That's how they do it.

Speaker 3 (46:16):
Sometimes they're in a formation of four or five, but
mainly what I was told is that they do it
in a triangle formation, which is three of them at
the same time, one in the front as the lead,
and then the two in the back, forming that you
know triangle that so many people see and report.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
And this was you on the smaller the vamana, not
on the mothership.

Speaker 3 (46:40):
Right, Yes, it was the what I call it vamana.
If you've ever heard of Eric von Danikin, he has
done research into this, and I learned from reading his
books and watching his documentaries that that's what they are
called the Indian culture. They are referred to as vamana's
and those are you know, what people call the smaller

(47:04):
shuttles that come down.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
Now, do you feel like while you were aboard this
Vermana that you were physically aboard or do you think
that you were still down there in the garden in
a sense with Jake? And was Jake still in the
garden walking around because he wanted to go outside so badly?

(47:29):
We should talk about that, right, Like, I mean, he's
the reason he went outside, right, Was he still down
in the garden doing his thing? After this?

Speaker 3 (47:38):
I couldn't tell you because I don't have a memory
of it. After that happened, I sort of forgot that
the initial reason that I had gone outside was to,
you know, to let Jake out and have him do
his business and be outside and then come back in.
That just became secondary and I sort of forgot about it.

(48:00):
And when I look back on it and when I
remember the experience, I no longer have memories of him
until the next day when I woke up and I
took him out and fed him and everything. But after
the I initially took him outside and initially began, you know,
having this experience, I don't have any more memories of Jake.

(48:23):
I wish I did, but I don't remember what he did,
what he may have experienced, or if he went back
inside the house or I don't I don't really know.
I don't have any clear memories of that.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
Oh. I mean, who could blame you, right, because after
that experience, I'm sure it wasn't your first thought, like, oh,
let me think about what was Jake doing? But Jake
was fine, right, like he oh, there's nothing strange there.

Speaker 3 (48:51):
No, And he was instrumental in my being able to
see that. I thank him for having me go outside,
and in a way, I think that maybe he perceived something
and wanted to go outside, and I was meant to
go out there. That's what I think, because when we
went outside, he sat down and looked up. He was
a very smart dog, and that's what he did, and

(49:13):
he was very insistent on going outside. So I'm really
grateful to him that he did that and that I
was able to go out there. And you know able
to see that you.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
Are certainly obviously gifted, right, and you're sensitive and as
you say, your frequency is high. We've already mentioned that.
Do you think that it's a possibility and this could
be completely not even a factor, but do you think
it's a possibility that they had been trying to get
you to go outside to have this experience and finally
had to resort to using Jake to get you outside.

(49:45):
Like you do, you think back and go, gosh, maybe
I was ignoring them somehow.

Speaker 3 (49:50):
Yes, I do think that Jake was instrumental in getting
me to go outside and being able to do that.
I do think I was meant to have that experience.
When I did, I was a skeptic, but like I said, now,
I am a believer and I'm fully on board and
I believe people when they say they've had an experience.

(50:12):
I really enjoy listening to other people's stories and their
experiences and comparing it to my own. And as I
mentioned during my birth NDE, the first one I had,
I mentioned that I saw a dog at the end
of that tunnel, and that dog was Jake, who was
the dog who was instrumental in my seeing my first UFO.

(50:33):
So I think he's a being that was meant to
be in my life, and he was I consider him
my son. But Jake was fine, he was fine the
next day, and I'll always be grateful to that memory
I had of him with that experience.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
Yeah, that is cool, and because I mean, honestly, let's
just lay it out there. We've heard plenty of encounters
where and they're not always good. Again, here we go
with the light in the dark. But of people, they
can float you through windows and walls and all kinds
of right to your ceiling if they wanted to. What
they chose to say, Hey, Jake, for fifteen minutes is

(51:09):
going mom, Mom, I want to go outside, And finally
you do that and you have this experience.

Speaker 3 (51:14):
Yes, I think that that spoke to the fact that
I had a very positive experience when I first saw them.
The feeling that I was overwhelmed with that I can
still feel today if I choose to have the memory
and relive the moment, which I do sometimes, is overwhelming.

(51:37):
A feeling of seeing family like a reunion, like almost
like they were my family, and that I was having
a family reunion. A feeling of overwhelming joy, feeling no fear,
and feeling love like I was loved. It was an experience.

(51:58):
I would compare it to people who have had maybe
an NDE experience where they described that overwhelming feeling of
peace and love and acceptance that they feel. That's what
I felt at that moment, and it was an incredible
feeling to have.

Speaker 2 (52:16):
I mean, when you really boil that down, right, and
we don't talk about how you did or didn't feel
when you boil it down honestly, because by like you said,
for all accounts, they looked like people except for the
fact that they were so tall and maybe a little
bit on the thin side. Right, Yes, for all intents
and purposes, there should have been some fear. So part

(52:39):
of me goes, well, gosh, is that like a a
pardon me? But I always us you know, I mean
the movies, everybody, sorry, but a Prometheus type of a situation,
like why weren't you afraid of them? Why would you
have the feeling of family unless somehow it was a
Prometheus type of a situation, like we were part of
them somehow, and they are part of us somehow. I
don't know. That sounds so hokey.

Speaker 3 (52:59):
But no, that doesn't sound hokey at all. I think
if you asked me before two thousand and nine, I
would say, yes, that sounds hokey. I'm not buying into that.
That does not happen. If you ask me now, I
would say, I don't know how to describe it except
that there is a connection there. I don't know what

(53:20):
the connection is. Would I consider them family, Yes, I would.
That's not something that I would say before that experience,
but I would say that now. And that was just
the first one. I've had many since then, But that
initial experience.

Speaker 4 (53:37):
That's what I felt. But you bring up a good
point that.

Speaker 3 (53:42):
You know, some people do have a negative experience, or
they experience fear when that happens, or they're seeing something
for the first time. They might be excited, but there
is an edge of fear to it. I didn't have that.
I don't I'm not sure why, but I just didn't
feel that fear. I just felt an overwhelming sense of

(54:03):
having a moment of a reunion, of coming back to
something that I had known for a long time, was
a part of me that was coming back to me,
coming back to remind me of who I am, where
I came from, where I could possibly go in the future,
and also validate some of my feelings and memories that

(54:23):
I've had. And so it was a very It was
a positive experience for me and also confirmed for me
that yes, people were having this experience, you know, all
over the world, not just in Washington, d C. As
I'd heard employees, as I mentioned, some of them had
said they had seen them over the Pentagon. I had

(54:43):
seen them over other buildings in Washington, D C. But
I had discardited those stories and did not believe them
at the time.

Speaker 2 (54:52):
So since other people had already brought this up to you,
did you then feel comfortable enough to talk to some
of your coworkers and tell them what you had been
through and what you had seen.

Speaker 3 (55:05):
I told my boss, because we had a very close relationship.
We were very good friends. I worked with him in
three different companies and government contracting with the same set
of engineers again developing those weapons of war and the
stealth planes and things like that. So I knew him
for close to seventeen years. I would say, I told him,

(55:27):
and the reaction I got will probably not surprise you.
But he laughed, and he said someone was putting on
a laser show and that I had, you know, seen that,
and that that's what I had seen, or that maybe
somebody was doing testing. I was near a military base
at the time and an airport. He said, you know,
you probably saw a plane or something happened, and you know,

(55:51):
you thought you saw something else, or maybe someone was
testing something out and you just happened to see it.
And so I didn't mention it. I did not discuss
it with anyone else, not even the employees that had
told me they had had these experiences. I didn't mention
anything to them.

Speaker 2 (56:11):
Let's say that you hadn't really had any experiences up
until then, however, and maybe you wouldn't even have known
this without the experiences, of course, But let's say that
you had a high frequency and you didn't know it,
and then you start working for this. I mean it's
very specific government contract right first. I mean, of all

(56:33):
things stealth aircraft and things like that.

Speaker 4 (56:35):
Very cool.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
By the way, I am wondering if, and again this
is going back to the whole frequency thing. You've already
had experiences, but it's the chicken or the a kind
of a situation where if you didn't work in that job,
would you have had that experience? Is that part of

(56:57):
what attracted them to you in some way, shape or form,
And then the frequency stuff and you being sensitive was
just a cherry on top of things.

Speaker 3 (57:09):
I think that having that job opened me up to
the experience because I had some knowledge of weapons of warfare,
and I had done some research, and I had worked
in it for so many years, and I was aware
of some military projects and things like that, and that
people could see that and maybe confuse it as something else,

(57:30):
think that they were seeing something but it was really
just military, and I would just brush it away as that.
I think that because I was involved in that line
of work, that that did open me up to having
that experience. I think it was very specific. I think
I was meant to have it, and it was meant

(57:51):
to happen. I think it was a selective experience and
not just a coincidence. I think it was meant to
happen when it was supposed to happen, it happened. It
was March ninth of two thousand and nine, and I
remember the exact date. I remember, you know, the time
and everything that happened that day. It was a very

(58:12):
specific thing. I think you're correct in that my line
of work and some of the experiences I had did
set me up for that.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
What about information that they've given you, did they did
they share anything?

Speaker 4 (58:30):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (58:30):
One of the things that happened was I don't have
a memory of coming back inside the house or going
back to sleep, or getting collecting Jake from the yard
and putting him back inside. I don't have a memory
of that. I believe the day was a Monday, if
I'm correct, If I'm remembering correctly, when I woke up,

(58:54):
it was Thursday afternoon, and I don't have a memory
of anything that day except getting up, checking on Jake,
feeding him, taking him out, and then coming back.

Speaker 4 (59:07):
To my room.

Speaker 3 (59:08):
Just very confused because my last memory was of Monday
around eleven pm, and now that I was awake it
was Thursday, around three o'clock in the afternoon. And yet
when I remember everything, it's specific that it was a

(59:28):
twenty two minute encounter.

Speaker 4 (59:30):
Yet I have about three days of.

Speaker 3 (59:34):
Missing time between that time on Monday evening and that
Thursday afternoon around three o'clock PM.

Speaker 2 (59:42):
Oh yikes. So you've had other experiences and been taken
aboard other times? Is it always the same craft and
the same three beings.

Speaker 3 (59:54):
I had a second experience with them just a.

Speaker 4 (59:57):
Few days later.

Speaker 3 (59:58):
I was not taking a I only saw them. I
was able to see them again, and this time I
had a camera with me, so I was able to
capture it on video. And there were five of them
and a I would say a rectangle formation, so four
of them in sort of a square shaped formation with
a fifth one on the side. And again I was

(01:00:21):
walking Jake. It was about eleven o'clock at night, same
time that same week, and I was able to see them.
I was not taking a board or anything else, but
I was able to see them. And then after that
what started happening was I was able to see them
almost on a daily basis. I could spot them where

(01:00:41):
I couldn't do that before, but I could see them
mainly at night, sometimes during the day, and with the
evolution of cell phones, I've been able to catch them,
you know, on video. If I point my phone during
my meditations outside, sometimes I'm able to catch what you
would call aerial phenomena or you have faux phenomena on

(01:01:03):
my phone. And that's what I post on my YouTube
channel on my YouTube page, that I'm able to catch
them sometimes.

Speaker 4 (01:01:11):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:01:11):
Sometimes I point my phone and I'm meditating and I
don't catch anything, but for the most part, I do
catch something in the sky. I also have memories of
being younger and being a bored a craft, but I
haven't delved into those memories. And what I'm interested in
doing is getting a session of life regression or hypnosis

(01:01:37):
in order to explore those memories, because I'm not able
to unlock them by myself, although they're there, and I
have very clear memories of being above inside a mothership
and memories of what it looks like, the colors, the floor,
some of the beings I saw inside, but other than that,
the memories are not clear, and I would like to

(01:01:58):
at some point explore option in order to better remember
it or see you know what that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
Is, especially with your birth and Dee, I'll bet you
once you go under a regression of some sort, maybe
some past life stuff will come up. I don't know.
I mean, it's just a conjecture, but it seems like
a lot of folks that I talk to you that
have these kinds of experiences also will have at some
point something about a past life come up or past lives, right.

Speaker 3 (01:02:28):
And that's a concept that I used to reject, was
that people could have a past life memory or past lives.
But I do believe that that is possible now. I
call it relocation of consciousness. I don't think that it
was ever God's intention for us to reincarnate and to

(01:02:49):
come back over and over and experience painful lives on earth.
But I think that what's happening is I think technology
does exist now, not just with humans, but with other
species or extraterrestrials, if you'd like to call them that,
where our consciousness can be collected and it can be recycled,

(01:03:11):
to put it that way. And so some souls are
chosen to come back, and I don't call it, I
call it relocation of consciousness, where some people are selected
to come back and a lot of it are people
that are in positions of power and politics and other areas.
It seems like the same group of people maybe are

(01:03:32):
selected to come back over and over. But I do
think that that's possible. I don't title it reincarnation because
that has almost like a spiritual context to it, and
I see it more as a technology, something that can
be done and that some people experience, but I don't
see it as a religious experience.

Speaker 2 (01:03:54):
I love that term, hope. That is awesome, relocation of consciousness.
I like that. Oh, what is before I forget? What
is your YouTube channel?

Speaker 3 (01:04:03):
My YouTube channel is just Hope, Yeah, Hope Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:10):
And is the video that you mentioned where you when
you first mentioned that you capture these guys while on
a walk with Jake? Is that video up there too?

Speaker 3 (01:04:21):
That video is not on there. It's from two thousand
and nine. It's very grainy and it's not an old laptop.
I'm working on extracting that so I can't post it.
But I have other videos of aerial phenomena that I've
captured during my meditations. I do meditate in the morning.
I use navajo flute music, and while I do that,

(01:04:42):
I do point my phone or my camera to the
sky to see if I can capture something. When I do,
I post it. Sometimes I don't capture anything, but for
the most part, I do capture things. Three or four
times a week I'll have something. I have a wide
collection of videos, but I only post a handful of
videos of things that you can see. It's very hard

(01:05:05):
to capture aerial phenomena or UFO.

Speaker 4 (01:05:08):
It's very fleeting.

Speaker 3 (01:05:09):
Sometimes they're not stationary, or you see something and I
get excited, so I want to watch, but I want
to film at the same time, and I want to
have the experience, but I also want to film it,
and so it's really hard. You catch it just for
a few seconds. It's very fleeting and then it's gone.

Speaker 2 (01:05:27):
Now, what about your grandmother's experiences? Did they mirror yours?
Quite a bit?

Speaker 4 (01:05:34):
They did.

Speaker 3 (01:05:34):
My grandmother, my grandmother and my grandfather owned a very
large farm. It was about eight hundred acres and a
river ran through their farm. She would tell me of
a story when I was little, of her being on
the farm and it was nighttime and she had to
go out and collect I think there was a clothing

(01:05:55):
drawing on a clothesline or something like that. And it
was late at night. She said it was a clear sky,
the moon was out. She said the moon looked very big.
It looked very beautiful that night. And as she walked
between an orchard towards the clothesline, she looked up and
she noticed a very large orb above her, above the property,

(01:06:17):
above her head.

Speaker 4 (01:06:19):
She said, it had silver light.

Speaker 3 (01:06:21):
That was emanating from it and illuminating the grass and
the trees and illuminating her, and she did have a fear.
Response to that, she hid under a bush. She had
a handful of clothes with her, and she said she
tucked herself away under this large bush and tried to
hide because it looked almost like I would say, a

(01:06:43):
spotlight to her. At first, she thought maybe it was
a helicopter with a spotlight searching for something. But she
said it was very very large, and the light was
a soft white color, almost silver, and that it stayed there,
and then she said it very quietly just moved towards
the west.

Speaker 4 (01:07:03):
And just left.

Speaker 3 (01:07:05):
And that was her first experience, and since then she's
been a believer her whole life. And she would tell
me that story when I was little, and I think
maybe she triggered something to me where I had that
hope in me that one day I would see something
similar or to also have an experience where I saw that.
But she was a believer, and when I shared my

(01:07:29):
experience with her, she did believe me. She watched the
video and we did have an experience together where we
were able to watch one together. And I believe that
it's generational. Maybe since she had the experience and we
were able to have a sighting together as well, you know,

(01:07:49):
maybe it's a family thing generational.

Speaker 4 (01:07:52):
I'm not sure.

Speaker 3 (01:07:53):
I haven't done enough research in order to answer those questions,
but I'm really happy that I was able to have
that experience with her.

Speaker 2 (01:08:02):
Was she ever surprised that so far? Or unless there
is one that maybe scared you a little bit, have
you had any experiences that has scared you at all?
Where As you say, she had a fear response in
that very first one of hers, have you ever had
anything like that?

Speaker 3 (01:08:20):
Yes, I had one encounter where I had a fear response.

Speaker 4 (01:08:24):
It was there was one evening.

Speaker 3 (01:08:27):
Where I felt called to go outside and I was
by myself. My dog was not around that day. I
was at a different location. I was sleeping at someone's house.
And I felt an intense calling to go outside in
the yard, and for some reason, I knew that if
I went, I was going to have a UFO experience,

(01:08:49):
and for some reason I felt fear and that I
did not want to go, but I went anyway, and
as I went outside, I didn't see anything in this sky,
but there was what I would call a gray underneath
a stairwell, and I was gripped by fear and a

(01:09:11):
feeling that if I stayed there, something could happen to me,
that this was not a benevolent being, that this was
something that I did not want to deal with, and
I went back inside, and that night I remember getting
online and really starting to do research for the first
time on the UFO phenomena, what people were seeing, what

(01:09:34):
their different experiences were, and that opened my eyes to
the fact that, as you mentioned, there's light and dark,
there's going to be some positive experiences and some negative experiences.

Speaker 4 (01:09:46):
That's the only.

Speaker 3 (01:09:46):
Negative experience I've had. But I remember feeling this intense fear,
a feeling of being out of control, and that if
I had remained there, something negative would have had happened
to me. I don't know what, but that something would
have happened.

Speaker 4 (01:10:03):
To me physically.

Speaker 3 (01:10:04):
I couldn't explain it, but I went back inside and
I was very cautious after that.

Speaker 4 (01:10:10):
When I felt.

Speaker 3 (01:10:11):
Those urges to go outside or SkyWatch or try to
recreate that initial first wonderful experience I had, I became
a little bit more cautious in that I started to
try and not look for it the same way. But
I did have that one negative experience, and that taught

(01:10:31):
me that, yes, there are beings out there. They're supernatural,
they're extraterrestrial. There's different species. Some of them are good,
some of them are bad. So I did have that experience.

Speaker 2 (01:10:44):
Have you seen a gray any other time?

Speaker 4 (01:10:48):
I have not know. That was my only time.

Speaker 3 (01:10:52):
It wasn't something that I expected to see. And like
I said, it was a negative experience that did cause
a few response in me. And it's not something that
I would like to see again or have happened to
me again.

Speaker 2 (01:11:09):
And as you well know, because you said that you've
done a lot of research, I'm I'm sure that that
would kick one into gear to do such a thing.
Is that a lot at the times, not every single time,
but these grays, that seems to be the response from
a human being that they're they're not so great to
be around. And if you if you keep going down

(01:11:30):
that road, if you can fight it, even that not
great things are going to happen and it will not
be a positive experience.

Speaker 4 (01:11:40):
I agree with you one hundred percent.

Speaker 3 (01:11:41):
I have read and watched videos on these experiences, these
interactions that people have with grays. The grays seem to
be a very subdued species, almost robot like.

Speaker 4 (01:11:55):
I would say that they are how could I call.

Speaker 3 (01:11:59):
It like servants or soldiers. They're the ones that they
send out to the field to collect genetic material, to
perform abductions, and to do basically the work that other
species that control them want them to do. And so
I call them subdued because they seem to be free

(01:12:22):
of any emotion where you cannot pick up negative or
positive emotions from them. They just seem to be emotionless.
They can communicate telepathically, but they don't seem to have
any kindness, any love, or any of those emotions. They

(01:12:42):
don't have an emotional response towards humans. And when you
read about abductions and clinical abductions where people have had
clinical procedures done to them, I've never experienced that, by
the way, but you know, I've read about it. I've
seen watch documentary. The Gray seem to be performing these

(01:13:03):
and they're very just emotionless. I would call them even
professional in their attitude towards what they're doing to humans,
and so I call them the little Soldiers. But the
one experience that I did have with them was not positive,
and I have you seen documentaries where people have had

(01:13:26):
negative experiences with them, and so I think these this
is a species that we shouldn't be engaging with and
not looking for communication with them.

Speaker 2 (01:13:36):
Also, you mentioned that your body and your mind was
telling you not to go outside, but it was like
your gut feeling was just being completely overridden by something
outside of yourself.

Speaker 3 (01:13:53):
Yes, it was like I was being asked to go outside.
I was being enticed to go outside. I had an
overwhelming urge. Who wants to go outside at eleven twelve
o'clock at night when they're already, you know, ready to
go to bed, ready to do other things. Why would
you want to go outside. I don't understand why I

(01:14:13):
had that overwhelming urge or why I overrid You know,
you have your intuition that is was telling me, do
not go outside, don't go outside. Why did I go
outside anyway?

Speaker 4 (01:14:27):
I don't know. And then I did.

Speaker 3 (01:14:29):
I didn't follow my gut instinct, and I had this
fear response, this bad experience that lasted just, you know,
just a few seconds. It's not like anything happened to me.
I did not have an abduction experience or anything like that.
It was a very short sighting. As I mentioned, I
did have that overwhelming feeling of just very intense fear

(01:14:52):
when you're seeing something that causes you to have that
intense fear. And so I don't know why I I
didn't stop myself or why I went outside, except that
it was almost like I was being called.

Speaker 4 (01:15:05):
There, and I had that experience.

Speaker 3 (01:15:07):
I don't know if I regret it or not, because
it taught me something about not trying to go after
things and also to listen to my own gut instinct
that was trying to tell me not to do that,
and I did it anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:15:24):
Oh, how can you be a hunt And I'm not
trying to say that this is what happened at all,
because you do sound like you are sure, But how
can you be one hundred percent sure that you standing
on the on that porch and then seeing under the
stairwell that little gray dude that terrified you. Wasn't after
you had come back. How are you sure that you
weren't taken?

Speaker 3 (01:15:46):
Well, the first experience that I had, I did go bored,
As I said the VERMANA. When I say I haven't
had an abduction experience, I mean I haven't had an
experience where I've been taken against my will, or that's
something has been done to me, or where I experienced
some sort of medical procedure or something like that, you know,

(01:16:06):
like a classic abduction experience. That has not been my
experience as far as I know. When I did see
that gray and I had, you know, that response to him,
I think that that was a limited interaction. I have
no memory of anything else happening that day.

Speaker 4 (01:16:27):
I don't have missing time.

Speaker 3 (01:16:29):
I don't have anything to lead me to think that
something else happened. It's not that I saw something that
maybe I shouldn't have seen, but I saw anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:16:40):
Now, creepy, is it that he's just standing under the
stairwell right, like, come on, like it's just.

Speaker 3 (01:16:45):
Hanging out, creep And you know, you read stories and
the grays just seem like a they're very they're very
I don't know what the word is, but duplicity maybe
or in some sort of way, but also very just
non emotional, and like I mentioned, I just that's not

(01:17:08):
something I want to see again and not something that
I want to experience, and I don't think that I will.

Speaker 2 (01:17:15):
Have you ever seen what people describe as a mantis
type being.

Speaker 4 (01:17:20):
No, I've never seen that.

Speaker 3 (01:17:23):
The way I learned about them was through a book
that I read called Series Calling Me Cavalier by Tawny
Rodrigue's and his story is a very interesting one. He
was abducted at the age of nine, I think in Michigan,
but I'm not sure if that's correct, and he was abducted,
his consciousness was relocated, I believe, into an adult body,

(01:17:48):
and then he worked in this space program for twenty
years doing maintenance on motherships on a planet called Series
and also on Mars, and.

Speaker 4 (01:18:00):
He wrote a whole book about it.

Speaker 3 (01:18:01):
His memories came back after he had an MRI when
he was in his forties. He came back from the
space program in the year two thousand and he wrote
a book about it, and he does interviews He's on
YouTube if you want to look him up. But he
described mantis or insect beings on Mars and that there

(01:18:22):
were colonies of them, not on the outside of the planet,
but inside the planet. And he said that there are
governments worldwide that are aware of those beings. I've never
seen them, I've never experienced them. I have never had
any interaction with a being like that. But I do

(01:18:43):
believe that they exist. And like I said, it was
in his book. I've watched several interviews where he describes
them that they communicate telepathically, which was also my experience
of the beings I saw communicated telepathically. It wasn't a conversation.
And so I do believe that they exist. However, I've
never had that experience. I've never seen one myself.

Speaker 2 (01:19:07):
No, can you go outside and can you summon UFOs
at all?

Speaker 3 (01:19:12):
I do summon them through my meditation, and like I said,
it does not always work. What I do is I
meditate with a certain kind of music and I will
point my camera to the sky. Sometimes I ask for
something specific, something of a certain color, or an object
that will be stationary or something like that, and sometimes

(01:19:35):
I'm given that object and I'll be able to film it.
Sometimes I don't see anything, but for the most part,
I do see them several times a week, and I
try to catch them on video. Like I said, it
is hard because it's so fleeting, and so I don't
always catch it, but I try to.

Speaker 2 (01:19:56):
Since your experience on board a craft was positive, do
you think that Not that I know that you would
ever want to do this, but could you Do you
think that you could actually ask to be taken a
Boordercraft if you wanted it?

Speaker 4 (01:20:12):
Yes, I can ask.

Speaker 3 (01:20:13):
When I came back from my first experience in two
thousand and nine, when I woke up on that Thursday
at three pm, I was essentially downloaded with information.

Speaker 4 (01:20:25):
I woke up with a download.

Speaker 3 (01:20:27):
As if you have a laptop and you download a program,
or if you have, for example, an iPhone or an
iPad and you download an app that you want to
use or that you know does a certain job or
does a certain thing for you. I was downloaded with
information that I was able to access, and the information

(01:20:49):
is updated at times. I still have access to it. Later,
as I did research, I realized that it was the
Akashak Records, what they call the Acacak Records, which is
basically a deposit of all human knowledge, the origin of humankind,
the history of God, our human origins, and everything that

(01:21:09):
has happened in the past and the present. It's a
sort of deposit that can be accessed if you're selected
to have access to it. It can also be accessed
through remote viewing. And that also has information, for example,
on our ideal diet, which would be a vegan diet,
even though that's very hard to maintain a vegan diet,

(01:21:32):
but just certain things like that. I was just downloaded
with information, and I had information about the origins of mankind,
about extraterrestrials and how we've interacted with them for thousands
of years.

Speaker 4 (01:21:44):
And I didn't have a name.

Speaker 3 (01:21:46):
For that information until I began watching videos by a
researcher called Linda Howe Linda Malton how I don't know
if you've heard of her, of course yes, And so
she has some videos with techniques on how to access
the Acascak Records, and that is how I learned that
what I have access to are the Acacak Records, what

(01:22:08):
people to refer to as that.

Speaker 2 (01:22:13):
So I know that we have a couple more bullet
points here. You mentioned spheres and shadow beings.

Speaker 4 (01:22:21):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (01:22:22):
Since I was able to see spirits since the age
of four, I've also had experiences seeing what I call
shadow people, and I describe shadow people as being lower
frequency beings that look humanoid. They're called shadow people because
they look like shadows. They are made out of dark matter.

(01:22:46):
They look humanoid. They can be very big. I have
seen them at night. I used to live in a
home until last year that had one in it, and
I could see it at night, and so could my daughter.
We could both see it at the same time. He
was very large.

Speaker 4 (01:23:03):
My impression was that it was male.

Speaker 3 (01:23:05):
I don't know if shadow people you know, have a
gender per se, but my impression was that it was
a male and it was a shadow being.

Speaker 2 (01:23:15):
In that home.

Speaker 3 (01:23:15):
I could also see spheres, and I could record them
on camera. I do have videos with the spheares. I'm
not sure what spheres are. I don't know if those
are just energy that's left over from something, or if
there's some sort of being that's there that's appearing materially
on camera as a sphere. I'm not sure, but I

(01:23:36):
am able to capture them sometimes on video.

Speaker 4 (01:23:39):
If I point my camera.

Speaker 3 (01:23:40):
Somewhere in that home in particular, there was a lot
of paranormal activity. I no longer live in that home,
and I'm glad about that. And so I was able
to see shadow beings and spheres as well. But that's
just part of my frequency having been raised, and so
I'm sensitive to it. Anyone that has that frequency would
be also able to see it. That's actually our natural

(01:24:03):
state is to be able to see those things. It's
just that we're closed off to it.

Speaker 2 (01:24:08):
So this shadow being, would this be for you and
your daughter, like out of the corner of your eye,
or would you guys see him pretty much full on
moving about the house.

Speaker 3 (01:24:18):
Initially it was a sort of like out of the
corner of my eye at night while we were sleeping.
I shared a room with my daughter. Maybe I'd get up,
you know, to go to the kitchen or something, and
I would think, did I just see something?

Speaker 4 (01:24:31):
And then my daughter started telling me.

Speaker 3 (01:24:33):
She was only seven, and she would say, you know,
I'm I see this and this, And I said, well.

Speaker 4 (01:24:39):
Maybe you had a bad dream.

Speaker 3 (01:24:41):
And again I'm doing what they did to me when
I was a little just sort of dismissing and trying
to explain it away, and then I took that into consideration.
I said, okay, you know, why don't you tell me
what it is that you're seeing. You know, what does
it look like? How tall is it? When are you
seeing it? And she began describing it as standing at
the foot of her bed. And I only had one

(01:25:02):
experience where I saw it at the foot of my bed.
We were both together in the room and were able
to see it, and it was just a very large
shadow looking man, I would say, with no features or anything,
just standing there. And my impression was that it was
not that it was a malevolent you know, not a

(01:25:25):
good energy, maybe dark matter.

Speaker 4 (01:25:28):
And that was my experience.

Speaker 3 (01:25:29):
I didn't see it again after that, and I did
leave that home and did not experience it again in
my next home.

Speaker 2 (01:25:37):
Yeah, it's never fun when they're just they're in the
house hanging out, especially at the foot of the bed.
I mean, come on, like people need to sleep. These
guys just there's no boundaries, there's no boundaries. There's such jerks.

Speaker 3 (01:25:50):
You're so nonchalant about it, And it's so funny because
you know, why do they do that? Because they know
that it's going to affect people that people are going
to be a afraid when they see them that way,
and that's exactly what they do. They're very smart.

Speaker 4 (01:26:04):
But I love the way you describe that and that
you call them jerks. You're absolutely right.

Speaker 2 (01:26:10):
Yeah, they just they they don't care. They really do not.
And I've I don't usually have many people on here
going yeah, I had a shadow figure in the house
and he was real cool. He used to high five.
You know, it's not it's never that situation.

Speaker 4 (01:26:24):
No one says, you're right, Well, hope.

Speaker 2 (01:26:27):
Was there anything else though that you felt like we
should have covered or anything I didn't ask?

Speaker 3 (01:26:33):
Now, I think we covered, you know, the main things
that I've experienced, and in particular, you know, I was
most excited to share my fairy experience on your channel
because i've you know, I've heard the other accounts that
you have on your channel, and I actually found you
through a bigfoot channel on YouTube and someone there said,

(01:26:56):
you know, you should go to into the free radio
and check out their fairy content, and that's what I did,
and I began watching video after video and just really
loving the content, loving the information, loving the guests, and
validating for myself that other people have had these experiences

(01:27:17):
and just wanting to come on here today and saying, look,
I did see a fairy. I had that experience. It
was a beautiful experience, like you said, and you're very
right about this. You know some people have had negative experiences,
but I wanted to share that I had a beautiful experience,
that they exist, that these beings exist, we coexist with them,

(01:27:42):
and that it's a memory that I'll treasure forever.

Speaker 2 (01:27:46):
Well, I thank you for the kind words about the
show and the guests, and now you are amongst those
wonderful guests, So thank you for being willing to come
on and share. And again, guys, that YouTube channel for
Hope is Hope. Yeah, that's a h p E y
e a h And keep in touch please if you would.
I would love to hear if anything else goes on

(01:28:07):
with you. And I'm sure that your journey isn't over
as far as especially the contacts that you're having with
with the UFOs and whoever might be content or connected
rather with those right.

Speaker 3 (01:28:21):
Well, thank you so much for having me today. It
was my pleasure and I'll be in touch.

Speaker 5 (01:28:30):
Well, I'm so and so I was given a name
by my parents, my business I have out of college
and I've done these things in my profession. I've producing
Little Black. But it says, forget it. That's something your story,
that's all gone, that's all about.

Speaker 6 (01:28:46):
I want to see them milion.

Speaker 5 (01:28:49):
Nobody knows who that ends, because we don't except for listening.

Speaker 2 (01:28:57):
To ours.

Speaker 5 (01:28:59):
And something I'm memorials. But that that's a really But
that again leads as fascinating this question.

Speaker 2 (01:29:07):
Who are you?

Speaker 6 (01:29:09):
That does not mean.

Speaker 5 (01:29:12):
We shall see how they play with the success will
buy the coms.

Speaker 6 (01:29:16):
To get you to.

Speaker 5 (01:29:18):
Come out of your show and find out.

Speaker 6 (01:29:20):
It'll be really od. It's it's puss puss. Puss Puss.

Speaker 7 (01:30:52):
People, for example, are quite divided on us.

Speaker 5 (01:31:15):
They will say, no, we don't believe literally in reincarnation
that after your funeral you will sadly become somebody different.
There be somewhere else, They will say. Reincarnation means this
that if you're sitting here now, are really convinced that
you're the same person founded.

Speaker 6 (01:31:36):
At the door half an hour ago, you'll be reincarnated.

Speaker 1 (01:31:41):
If you are liberate, every wells now that you're gone.

Speaker 5 (01:31:45):
The past hasn't been, the future doesn't existence.

Speaker 6 (01:31:50):
There is only the present. That's the only areenia.

Speaker 4 (01:31:53):
That is the send master.

Speaker 6 (01:31:55):
Don't get in the way in the spring.

Speaker 2 (01:32:00):
That's not sounds.

Speaker 8 (01:32:03):
Because there are some anous messsssssssss.

Speaker 5 (01:33:58):
The same one more days where he says, when you
settle down in the train to read your newspaper and
so on, they're not the same person while ago and
lived the plan. If you think you are, you are
linking your moments up in the check And this is

(01:34:18):
what binds to the wheel both when you know that
every moment which you are is the only moment. This
comes intos are The Master will say.

Speaker 6 (01:34:30):
To somebody, I can have a walk across the.

Speaker 4 (01:34:32):
Road and it can be back.

Speaker 5 (01:34:34):
And he says, where are your foot? They've gone, So
where are you?

Speaker 3 (01:34:41):
Who are you?

Speaker 5 (01:34:43):
When we are asked who we are, we usually give
a kind of recitation of an instrum stress.

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