iNTO THE FRAY 505: The Hitchhiker

Dylan talks about the very haunted home he grew up in, situated both on and near very dark happenings within a former orphanage. Also, a horrifying and unique being made of smoke, shadow entities, and UFOs.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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(02:16):
welcomed Dylan on with me and he got in touch
after he saw my Instagram post and said, I do
have some experiences. And Dylan, from the sounds of it,
we are going to be talking about Wisconsin, Missouri area
of the country. Is that correct?

Speaker 3 (02:33):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (02:35):
And I know that the list that you sent along
to me, thank you for doing that, does start in childhood,
so I would probably prefer to start in order if
we could, but that's completely up to you.

Speaker 3 (02:50):
Yeah, we can go writ in chronological order for sure. Yeah.
I guess I've been. I guess a lifelong experience. Ser
mainly I guess with ghosts. I used to live next
to the Wisconsin Child Center. It said Old Orphanage. I
believe it started in like the late eighteen hundreds and

(03:12):
it was functional until like the nineteen seventies. And my
father built a house about less than one hundred and
fifty yards from there, and I remember things happening right
after we moved in, and it was often children, like

(03:34):
the sounds of children playing outside my windows, like lots
of giggling, laughing, crying, and coughing. You'd hear like little
tapping on like the windows. It was like a split
level house, and like the sound of like a rubber
ball be like kicked aside against the side of the house.

(03:57):
And this would happen all times of the year, whether
it was below zero, you know, three in the morning,
four in the morning, eleven at night, sometimes during the day,
and when it would happen in the wintertime. There would
never ever be any like footprints outside, and they were
like they would be close enough to where you would
see footprints, and sometimes like the I don't know if

(04:20):
they I don't know. Sometimes I wonder if they like
got inside the house too, because like sometimes like the
doorknobs would like jiggle on, like our bedroom doors downstairs.
I mean, this happened numerous times.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
Now, what about your parents or did you have siblings
as well, and everybody what experienced the same thing.

Speaker 3 (04:43):
Yeah, my dad, I think he was kind of a
you know, he would probably deny it. I guess that
would be the oh, it's just in your head, or
it's just the house that will as a new house
after you know, you moved in, or you know. But
it happened all through high school, Yeah, you know, and
then years later it was like, you know, learning about

(05:05):
this place and kind of going on the little ghost
hunts with my friends, and like we would here like
I guess like chains right, like when we would be
playing like flashlight tag, and you know, all this place
is haunted. And then you know, I dared to look
inside the windows of this place and never ever see anything,
but like we would get them get chased home by

(05:27):
you know, the change the sounds of these chains.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
So how much of the building was left when you
guys actually built and moved into this home.

Speaker 3 (05:38):
It's it's still standing to this day. It's utilized as
a like haunted house for like it was the Boys
and Girls Club, but I think the j c's around
it now it's like a haunted house for you know,
fundraising for October season.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
So were there rumors of mistreatment, abuse or even deaths?

Speaker 3 (05:59):
As absolutely, like I remember hearing rumors of like children
maintain in the basement. If it was originally called like
the Something School for Neglected Children, I can't remember the
full title of it. It's been years since, but then
they changed the name to the Wisconsin Children's Center. I
believe it.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
Always has such a bright, shiny, positive name, like it's
such a good thing. And usually with these these centers,
especially those that are built way back, they all have
these same horrible stories. Do you guys or do you
may Yeah, it's it's just it's always that way, and
those are the kids that needed the most love. It's

(06:40):
so sad. So do you wonder if there were, if
there were any deaths that it well, not that it
would take the go ahead.

Speaker 3 (06:54):
Oh I'm sorry. Yeah, there's a there's a grave site
with like three hundred on marked graves one hundred yards
the other way on the golf course. They're just numbered
and take like the mid two thousands, they finally got
names attached to the numbers, but the mark. You know,
I don't even think the kids are buried there, honestly,

(07:16):
I think, you know, they were just probably buried out
in the field behind my house.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
Yeah, that's what I was.

Speaker 3 (07:21):
Like my theory just with all the activity, like, yeah,
did you would hear like the little pitter patter feet and.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
Yeah, I'll bet maybe even the house was built upon
some unmarked graves.

Speaker 3 (07:34):
Oh it's quite possible.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
I mean, you know, the tapping on the windows was
any of the tapping up on like the second story
windows where there shouldn't be anywhere to stay in there.

Speaker 3 (07:48):
I would hear them. I used to have a bedroom
upstairs and my brother moved downstairs, so I would hear
the tapping downstairs, but I would hear a lot of
the giggling stuff from the upstairs.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
So a lot of this activity was not really talked
about amongst you guys that much. I mean, obviously your friends.
It sounds like you guys would maybe talk about, yes,
and have things going on, but what about the fan.

Speaker 3 (08:18):
They really wouldn't talk about it. My mom would, and
my mom had continue to hear things after I had
moved out, and that was the house that you know,
she stayed until I had to help her move into
the nursing home last year. That's kind of what I
had the Hitchhiger experience too. Okay, So I don't know
if it's all kind of like linked, because like a

(08:40):
lot of weird stuff happened there, because like my mom
ended up seeing like the a little girl in like
a mirror, because they ended up getting like these mirrored
like closet doors, and she would tell me that she
would see like a little girl in the mirror, which
you know could be linked. But my mom is also
a little interesting in the brain and put it lightly.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
So the activity from the sounds of it never really
waned even after you guys moved out.

Speaker 3 (09:09):
No, not at all, Yeah, not at all. And you know,
years later I learned that there was like a tuberculosis
ward or a wing in the or finish as well.
And I don't know how many children had died of
TV there, but I would hear them. It was a
wet cough, a child's cough at like you know, one

(09:31):
or two in the morning on like a December evening.
That was you know, push them below zero and like
kids like sniffling, And would you ever hear this kind
of makes you wonder, like you know, whether it be
like stone tape of you know, or like echoes of trauma. Yeah,
you know, causing the haunting and to be like, oh,

(09:52):
well that kind of sucks if that's you know, these
children are damned to have like tuberculosis in the afterlife.

Speaker 2 (10:01):
Do you feel like most of it was a residual
or that some of it was in fact interactive.

Speaker 3 (10:10):
See that's the thing though, Like if it was residual,
I don't think it would go out of the way
to like tap on my windows and like trying to
get me to come out and play or something, because
I think that's what they were trying to do, to
like interact with me and like, oh, new kid and
like moved in down the street. We want to go
play with him. You know, like that gives me, you know,
the feeling of like intelligence. But it's like, well, if

(10:32):
that's the case, like you know, just it just bums
me out. Like a child was like an ailment or
you know whatever special conditions or to have that in
the afterlife, is it just kind of a bummer.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
Yeah. I agree that things like the tapping and stuff
does sound a little bit more interactive.

Speaker 3 (10:53):
But I'll bet I'll bet.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
That the coughing might be a little bit more, as
you say, like a stone tape. But then again, do
you do you recall these coughing sounds coming around the
same time, you know, every night or certain nights anything like.

Speaker 3 (11:11):
That it would happen, I guess randomly. It wasn't like
every night, you know, I you know, maybe get like
a two three month like hiatus from any activity. Things
would kind of spike up for like three or four
days in a row or.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
No pattern to that, I guess though, So yeah, yeah, it.

Speaker 3 (11:33):
Was just absolutely random, but it was frequent. It was frequent,
but I just kind of got used to it, or
like I'm not going to open my curtains to look outside.

Speaker 4 (11:40):
Hell no.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
Oh see that's a bummer though, because I don't.

Speaker 3 (11:45):
In retrospect it totally.

Speaker 2 (11:47):
Is that would I mean changed how you interacted with
your own home? You know?

Speaker 3 (11:53):
Yeah? Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
Do you guys ever remember trying to speak out loud
to anything like what do you want? Who are you?
What are you doing? Anything like that?

Speaker 3 (12:02):
Mainly like the next day, you know, I go outside
and you know what was out here? You know, there's
no footprints in the snow or I think my dad
had yelled out again frustration they thinking it was us.
You know, it was like we're inside. I vaguely remember
something like that, but you know, you kind of like
played off like it's the neighbor kids or something.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
What percentage of the activity would you say was inside
and versus outside?

Speaker 3 (12:31):
Oh, I'd say nine was outside.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
Inside like they couldn't cross the threshold. But then again,
that might add to some of the stone tape theory
because if the house wasn't there while they were there,
then they wouldn't really come in to interact. But then again,
that might be the exact opposite of what I just said.
If it wasn't there, they might should just be able

(12:56):
to walk right through things.

Speaker 3 (12:57):
I don't know, Oh, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
Nothing, but nothing but questions.

Speaker 3 (13:04):
Right, I'm definitely on board with that. You know, I think,
like I think, our traumas that we experienced do kind
of shut off on us, and you know what absorbs
that in our environment? You know, definitely maybe that can
end up every time, you know, have I guess kind
of its own intelligence or you know, if we assign

(13:26):
it or allot it to.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
So your mom moved out and then I'm sure someone
else purchased the house or.

Speaker 3 (13:32):
Moved in, right, Yeah, last year I sold the house
for my mom. I had to act as like power
of attorney. So yeah, I guess I'll jump right to
that because that's kind of like ties in you know,
my closure with the house and probably my scariest experience
with the house. So my mom had a medical issue

(13:54):
and I had to act as power of attorney to
sort the house out, you know, clean it out and
get it ready for sale or put it on the market.
I was into the process of like I had to
go deal with she would have had a paye that
I had somebody, you know, deal with her finances and

(14:15):
stuff like that, so I didn't have to deal with
that headache. That was at a place called Rolling Hills,
which was an old old nursing home and there was
another administration like building out in front, and they recently
demolished the nursing home. And I went to go drop
off a bunch of paperwork for them to sign and

(14:36):
then took that to the house. And I was wrapping
up and cleaning the house. This is after like the
second dumpster, and there was a bunch of old paint
cans from like, you know, forty years. It's like, oh,
might need to touch up the house with this color
that had been painted over. But you know, I guess
the rules of like having a dompster here, like you

(14:58):
have to like dry out the paint cans in order
to too. My mom had like a boyfriend and he
was kind of a squatter, like he just didn't pay rent,
and like I thought he had was gone or I thought,
you know, I had been there for a little over
an hour, and I was opening up these painting pans
and pouring them, you know, mixing it up with Kadie

(15:19):
litter to dry it all out so I could throw
them in the dumpster. And I was in the garage
and I look over because there was a basement door
in the garage that kind of like went down like
five stairs, and there's a man just standing there, just
standing there, staring at me, and he looked his eyes

(15:40):
kind of looked sunken in a little bit. We made
eye contact, like we looked at each other, we became
aware of each other, and then he slunk it like
kind of slunk inside the house, and I'm like, Yo,
what the hell. And I'm like I'm unarmed, and all
I had was a box knife, and I kind of

(16:00):
like flipped open the box knife and I'm like took
one step forward, and he kind of like I saw
his like shadow go in the house further. So I
like noped out into the driveway where I had eyes
on there, and I'm like, I have to call law enforcement.
I had to call the cops. And the cops came
in and they did a you know, a sweep of

(16:24):
the house, and there was nobody in there. I guess
I don't know what to do. It is like they
just called the cops on a ghost. It's like I
didn't think it was a ghost. I thought it was
like a frogger or a squatter, or like someone in
my mom's boyfriend knew, or the cops like. The other
place that they didn't check was the attic and the

(16:47):
back door was still unlocked because I kind of propped
a chair against the back of it and there was
like a swiffer leaning against the door, I remember, And yeah,
the cops came out said the place was that all
the windows were secure and the only place they didn't
go was the attic. And then when I left, I'm like, oh, well,

(17:10):
I better lay a bunch of flowered down in front
of this like walkway the only access way to the attic.
I came back, it was not the next day of
the day after, and there was no footsteps from the
attic to that, so I don't know. In my theory
is like somebody followed me home from either the nursing home,

(17:35):
like the rubb because I had to walk right past
the rubble and deal with that. So I don't know
if somebody followed me home or what, but like, yeah,
part we made eye contact, and like I felt like
I saw it like an intruder, not like a ghost.
But I didn't take eyes off that back door or

(17:56):
the front door because I was like in the driveway
when I called the cops and when they walked through,
there was nobody.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
There unless you're just like staying up there and definitely
just never came down right, like it's just in the
attic forever somehow.

Speaker 3 (18:12):
But I had left, I had left the flower there
for over a week, so unless he was still up there, yeah,
then it's the owner of the house at that point.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
Oh my god, that is that you know what that is?
Like you said he noped out of there. That that's
creepy either way. I mean, I would rather say have
the ghost than have it be a squatter that I've
heard like insane stories of people living in walls and stuff.

Speaker 3 (18:38):
I'm like, no, oh absolutely, yeah, yeah yeah no, that
is like total ick. Like I but our eyes met.
We looked at each other like you know, a lot
of ghost encounters from understanding, like it doesn't happen that way,
you know what I mean, It's just like they have
their own agenda or they're just looking there as you,
but like our eyes met, we looked at each other.

(19:00):
I could draw this guy right now for you. His
hair looked all like I don't know, it looked like
one of those dirty or those old like baby dolls
with like the hair that's kind of like flog hair plugs.
Oh you know what I mean. It was like kind
of like kind of greasy, and his eyes look sunken

(19:21):
in kind of like he was like maybe masked out.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
I don't know, see, So I like that. So you're
you're like going, well, he did look like a real person.
There were slightly as things about him. But but then again,
do you when you look back, is there anything eth
real about that man at all?

Speaker 3 (19:44):
I mean the fact that like the police didn't find him.

Speaker 2 (19:47):
Yeah, his appearance though, his appearance.

Speaker 3 (19:53):
There's like I remember watching like an episode of like
it was like a paranormal cought on camera or something
like that, and there was like a little boy playing
with his phone for his mom's phone or something like that,
and maybe like the Philippines or something like that, his
like grandmother recently passed away from cancer or something like that,
and then like he was like had like on TikTok

(20:13):
or something like that, and then like she was like
behind him. Her eyes looked kind of similar. I guess
I like sunk it in a little bit. I don't know,
it's kind of what that reminded me of. But I
think math does the same shit to you. Yeah, yeah,
they're no sleep or I I don't know either way.

(20:36):
But I felt like I was threatened.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
Though, for sure, and absolutely yeah, it's.

Speaker 3 (20:42):
Like I'm not carrying. I need to take a step
back and actually let law enforce because I thought it
was a person. Otherwise I want to call the cops.
I would have, you know, I thought it was a
ghost to try to make contact myself at this age,
I just feel like.

Speaker 2 (20:59):
It's it was. It's a little odd that they didn't
check the attic. Did they say why they wouldn't go
up to the attic.

Speaker 3 (21:07):
There were like four of them and none of them
wanted to what Yeah, no, I swear yeah. And one
of those one of those cops is the guy that
bought the house from me.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
What yeah, Oh so I guess he sold I sold.

Speaker 3 (21:25):
The house to but maybe he was like, oh this
is the haunted house, that would take this house. I
made stories because I'm sure, I'm sure they've seen their
ship and handled you know, I'm sure other houses and
the block have seen or heard, you know, children playing
out at night, because I was friends with one of

(21:46):
the girls that would volunteer AT's a Haunted House to
help get it ready for every year, and she was like,
I think one of their creative directors, and she had
experiences of her own, like you know, I think she
was like paint or something like that, and they would
often like knack over like displays and they were really
I guess mischievous and they would interact with people. I

(22:09):
think that's kind of an intelligent thing.

Speaker 2 (22:12):
So from you know, if that was a ghost, he
essentially or whoever it was, whatever it was, actually helped
you to sell the home because the cop got a
little tour and he said, I like this house enough
to buy it. There we go.

Speaker 3 (22:24):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
That's that's kind of wild.

Speaker 3 (22:28):
Actually, yeah, I'm kind of curious about his interests as well,
if he is like, oh, because he had he had
you know, two children, and he had two children and
his wife and I kind of joked about it, like
when I signed the paperwork we were closing in the house.
Then I'm like, oh, it's not hard to kind of
waked at him, like.

Speaker 2 (22:50):
You're like, except for whatever's up in the attic, which
you already know a little bit about that. Yeah, that's
just strange that they wouldn't go up to the attic
if they're usually.

Speaker 3 (23:00):
Uh, unless they were, unless they were just like unless
they were coming me back. They're like, oh, we did
check it. Maybe let me tell you that we didn't.
I don't know. I don't know. I would hope like
between four of them there would be.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
You know, maybe they have trauma where they fell through
attic floors to the floor below or something. There's like
an unspoken cop thing and they're like, we don't go
on atticts.

Speaker 3 (23:28):
Yeah, maybe all they do is like pop open the
board and can I you know, do a three six
two of the flashlight and be like clear, you know,
how how big.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
Of a space it was the attic in that house.

Speaker 3 (23:41):
It wasn't like, you know, I don't think there were
any boards, you know, maybe for like a service of
like a pipe or something like that or event. I
don't know. I hadn't I hadn't been up there. I
was just kind of slowly working my way up the
beause it was like a closet and then there was
like the attic portion.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
I mean, could you stand up in there?

Speaker 3 (24:01):
But it was it was the whole length of like
the whole house. I mean, you could probably stand up
in there for sure.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
Now do you would you? Or have you since since
you did sell it to that police officer, have you wondered? Oh,
I'd be cool to get in touch with him and
see if he and his family are having the same
type of activity.

Speaker 3 (24:25):
Oh, I definitely. I think about that a lot, and
just I wonder every time the house comes up to
my you know, my mind, I'm like, is you know,
being lived in by somebody else? And I wonder if
or what you know, or maybe he was an experience
or and believer and he was into that. I don't know.
So I would like to kind of sit down with
him at some point, like, hey, this is what happened

(24:47):
to me because I didn't go into all my experiences
and they were actually kind of nice, you know, didn't
make me feel dumb or anything like that, Like, you know,
they kind of looked at me like, oh, we've seen
some shit, you know, right, you can't explain it and
I can't imagine, like you know, your you know stories
about law enforcement like driving through ghosts like all the

(25:09):
time or so I'm sure they've seen some stuff. And
I guess where where you choose to shelf it is
the thing.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
And I know that after you and your it's you
and your brother. Just is that who was in the house. Okay,
So I know that after you and your brother moved
out your it sounds like your parents still had activity.
So I'm wondering how much you know would have changed
after you guys moved out. And also now this police
officer and his family have kids, so that you know,

(25:39):
if you have you have children spirits in the house,
that has to be attractive to them to have fellow
kids in the home, right. I mean that's just where
my mind was. I could be way.

Speaker 3 (25:50):
Off, but that's that's that's what I was like thinking too.
I think it was like, you know, the tapping on
the windows was to try and get me to come
outside and play or trying to engage in me in
some way, you know, shape or form of you know.
And yeah, I think something some instinct to me is
like maybe you shouldn't go play hide and seek at

(26:10):
you know, four in the morning.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
I mean it did.

Speaker 3 (26:13):
January, Oh yeah, absolutely, absolutely, yeah. I mean there were
times where I was just like too scared to even like,
you know, look out the window or yeah, you know,
I think I did muster courage on a few occasions
to look out the window and there was nothing, so
just like, oh, there's gonna be nothing out there, or

(26:34):
you know, I just I think it just got to
the point to where I just like, I'm just gonna
go back to bed, right, I.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
Mean, what do you do? Really? You just kind of
get used to it in a weird sort of way. Yeah,
gotta live, got to sleep. Yeah, yep, as best you can,
I guess.

Speaker 3 (26:49):
And it didn't. I don't think it registered as like
serious trauma to me, where like, you know, I wasn't
like too afraid to where it affected anything else. You know.
Obvious they created some fascination to kind of be into
the paranormal. Today, Absolutely, they're seeking those answers.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
Although I will say that you and your friends go
into the actual building and then going back home, and
on the way back home you're hearing like chains and things.

Speaker 3 (27:17):
That's probably Yeah, it sounded like it sounded like a
dog sounded like a dog was chasing us. And then
you know, you would finally, you know, you'd make it
to my backyard because it was like you go out
the back door and then there was a field, and
then there was the you know, the family Children's Center
for the child center was right there. I think some

(27:38):
of those buildings too. There was a series of buildings
over there. I think they're connected by tunnels as well.
There used to be I think, and then there was
the old kindergarten and that had like a old like
bunker type thing. So I'm sure, like you know, whatever
would be out like, oh, children are out playing dark

(28:00):
and let's have fun with them. But just and then
you hear like the stories of like or I guess,
rumors of you know, children being chained in the basement
right take place. You know, I can't you know, confirm,
confirm or deny that, but you know, you hear that
and you're like, oh, I heard chains in the backyard

(28:20):
and I turn around. There's no dog chasing me. But
I was definitely being chased by something.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
Wow. And I just want to point out really quickly
because I heard your kitty cat for a quick second,
and I think it was before we started officially that
I mentioned, oh, you're a kid cat, So everyone that
was not a child like saying hello or anything. It
was Dylan's cat in the background making a little cameo
because I'll get emails like I heard a child's voice. No,

(28:45):
not maybe later, but that time I could tell it
was the kitty cat. So I just want to say
that real quick. But yeah, when you're talking about three hundred,
three hundred unmarked graves is so incredibly sad.

Speaker 3 (29:00):
Oh. Absolutely, yeah, it's you know, it was TB polio,
all the popular diseases of the time.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
Yeah, that's wild to live next to a place.

Speaker 3 (29:15):
Just the thought of like, you know, children not being
loved or having normal cristiss or you know, like yeah,
you know, growing up in the eighties and like I
got my g I Joe's and then you're like you're thinking, like,
oh man, the little kids outside or you know, like
they don't have anything, don't even have a mom or
dad or.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
And they're being abused on top of it.

Speaker 3 (29:36):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, society was pretty cruel.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
It's nothing darker than that. Yeah, is anything happen to
do with kids that? Those are the people we got
to string up or put put them under in the
tunnel with the chains. That's what I'm all about. Let's
eye for an eye stuff. All right. So the next
thing on you our list is a smoke entity.

Speaker 3 (30:04):
Yeah, it was. It was around I think it was
equinox or equinox with the winter solstice of two thousand
and two thousand. I was living in Saint Louis and
I was living with some friends. You know, I'm in
college or well taking time off from college, and I

(30:26):
was getting ready to come home to Wisconsin. My roommate
and his buddy were working on a computer. My friend
Nick is his friend. He left in the night. I
was okay. I was staying in the living room. I
was sleeping on a futon that was kind of like
my bedroom, you know, like normal college situations of you know,

(30:50):
living friends living together in an apartment. My buddy left,
and my roommate he was a snowplower driver and he
was on call. I remember because he was on call
for it was like misery gets these infamous ice storms,
and he was like dreading. I was like, oh, we
were supposed to get this ice storm. And I was
like nervous to fly back to Wisconsin. The next day

(31:15):
for Christmas, everybody went to bed. I kind of passed
out of the foodtong and then I woke in the
middle of the night. I saw what I thought was
my roommate looking out the window. He was like kind
of pulling the blinds down, and then I like leaned

(31:37):
forward to grab a smoke and have a cigarette and
like talk to him, and I was like, oh, is
it snowing? And there's like no response, and like as
I was like, you know, I grabbed the smoke off
the it was like in a pack on the floor,
and I remember like leaning back, I felt this pressure

(31:57):
kind of like pushed me down, kind of like I guess,
like you know what sleep aaralysis would be. But there's
like some elements of this that don't line up with
like what people say of sleep paralysis, because I remember
like leaning forward grabbing the smoke. This thing just was

(32:18):
ignoring me. I thought it was my roommate, and like
I kind of came to and like the thing's not
even human. It's pulling the blinds down and like looking
out the blinds and like there's light from the parking
lot kind of like illuminating like the side of its
face and it's like flesh was like it had like

(32:40):
a human form, but it was like really really tall,
ahead to have been like eleven twelve feet tall, because
it was like the back was towards the ceiling and
then it was like hunched over down, leading down and
had like its giant hands and it was like pulling
the blinds down and just staring out in the parking lot.

(33:03):
I don't know what it was looking at. Is I
felt restrained. This thing just like ignored me, and I
just like I wasn't scared. I was not scared. I
was like what the I was scared at first, initially
thinking that somebody broke into my house. That's not my
roommates standing there. But then I got I got like calm,
and I just like laid there and just like just

(33:27):
watch this thing and it's like it's I guess it's
flesh was like made of smoke and just kind of
rolled over on itself and just like continually like just
rolling and folding on itself, and like I don't remember
seeing its legs or feet. It was almost like just

(33:48):
a mask like it came up from like I don't
know the closest thing that I can. I don't know,
but I just remember not being like terror by like
what people say, like like you know these sleep browses,
demons or whatever people experience, Like this thing didn't care
about me, just ignore me, just continued to look out there.

(34:10):
But yet again I was still restrained. And then this
felt like it went on for I don't know, a
half hour forty five minutes. So I started to like
kind of like come to and then this thing just
kind of turns around to me and kind of like
shushes me. And then the front door was like wide
open to the outside to expose like a layer of

(34:34):
dusting of snow. And my roommate had a cat that
we tried to go outside any chance you could get,
and he was sitting under the kitchen table with his
hair on end, like freaked out. And I guess this
is kind of like maybe not obsessed with like researching
that this kind of what got me into like the

(34:56):
paranormal more so because like your podcast has like such
a vast array of like different types of experiences, and
like the closest thing that I can actually feel what
this thing was was like a gin It's like I

(35:19):
guess ginner often like never rarely depicted like with having
like feet and like often have like giant hands and
being born of like smokeless fire, and like this thing.
I remember its face too. It had like really long nose,
and then its teeth were like part of its lips.

(35:42):
It's like its lips kind of like became its teeth.
I guess they seem kind of sharp, but like it
was also made of smoke, and it was like a
bluish gray like smoke just kind of folding in on itself,
and it was kind of like hypnotic. I guess.

Speaker 2 (36:01):
No, I'm sure that when you try to dismiss it.
The problem is the cat saw it too, And I
didn't want to go outside. It just wanted to stay
where it was, with a tear on end, not happy
with whatever the hell that thing was.

Speaker 3 (36:16):
Oh yeah, yeah. Plus the front door was wide open
up to the street or the parking lot, and like
that's my bedroom, so I'm locking that thing. It was
a lock on the door knob and a dead bolt
every time.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
So Nick was gone, the friend was gone, your roommate
was on call. Do you recall at any point thinking
or knowing for a fact that your roommate was also gone.

Speaker 3 (36:43):
My roommate was still asleep.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
They never called him, okay, so he was definitely still there.

Speaker 3 (36:50):
He never he never interacted with me, So I was
totally on my own, and nobody else remembered anything weird
that night. It's like I was like, maybe they were
there for one of my roommates, or if they had
an experience or like, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (37:09):
Does it really need to use the front door though?
That's what's wild about it. What's with the door?

Speaker 3 (37:14):
The thing? Yeah, that was that was wide open. There
were no tracks, Yeah, you know exactly. It's like it's
made of like vapor or smoke or something. And there
was a chimney right there. That's the thing that really
baffles me. But like I don't understand how the front
door was open, and I know I locked that because
I saw Nick out.

Speaker 2 (37:35):
Also, it's it's creepy to me when they're doing just
weird things that don't make sense, like him just staring
out the window for most of that experience.

Speaker 3 (37:43):
Is odd, totally ignoring me like it getting there, but
I you know, I would accept as a sleep prowess.
They don't understand how it interacted with you. The cat
was terrified it didn't matter when that came, would you know,
credible run up every time that door.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
Was open, and then it's just you.

Speaker 3 (38:06):
Yeah, yeah, kind of like in a way of like, oh,
no one will believe you, which which is fine. You know.
I had that experience, like and it also didn't scare me,
like I was actually kind of like pacified, you know.
In retrospect, yeah, it's kind of scary, but like now,

(38:28):
and I don't know, but during the experience, I was
not like, you know, crippled with fear, like I wanted
to talk to this thing.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
I was curious, Like I mean, when you talk to
your roommates about it. I know that they didn't see
her anything that night, but what did they ever say, Oh, yeah,
there is some weird shit in this apartment.

Speaker 3 (38:50):
No, not at all, not at all. That was like
the first time anybody really experienced anything. Well and it
was me, but like nobody else had any weird experiences
all there. I mean, I have no clue.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
Do you think there's any chance that it has something
to do with your childhood home?

Speaker 3 (39:09):
It's I mean, maybe it's still attached to me today.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
I mean, I guess it's a good thing. I think
it's a good thing that you weren't completely terrified, because
I feel like seeing that, especially with the description you gave,
by all accounts, it should be a horrifying experience. So
I guess that's good that it did whatever it did
with its gin mind or whatever the hell it is

(39:35):
to calm you. But then again, I don't know with
that physical description. Also, I feel like what you said
about the teeth essentially being part of the lips should
be a standout item. So if anybody, if that has
sparked anything in anyone, please get in touch with me

(39:58):
so I could pass it along to Dylan, because that's
a very unique thing that you just brought up.

Speaker 3 (40:03):
I think, yeah, and its nose was like comically long too,
you had to was stuck out from its face like
three to four inches.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (40:17):
Really, And I remember, yeah, it had really large hands
as well. I think that's kind of a characteristic too
of like gin as well. But I don't know if
you know or what, or maybe it was all inside
my mind, but I still doesn't explain the cat or
the front door being wide open, but you know, it

(40:38):
being made of smoke. Why didn't you just use the chimney.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
And then you just went back to sleep and woke
up in the morning. The door is locked, the cat's normal,
everything's kosher.

Speaker 3 (40:51):
Oh. I stayed awake after like I came to when
the door was open. I just like stayed awake.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
And then but did it just did it dissipate? Like where?
How did that happen?

Speaker 3 (41:03):
Wodch Just it was just like gone, It just vanished,
and it was just like, oh, okay, I should probably just
get up and stay up. I knew in my mind
if I went back to bed, I would miss my flight, okay.

Speaker 2 (41:16):
And then when you got up though, because you're still away,
you didn't go out to sleep. You had to physically
get up and close and lock the front door.

Speaker 3 (41:26):
Yeah yeah, yeah, I had to close the front door
back up and lock it again.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
Did the cat begin acting normal immediately after this thing
was gone?

Speaker 3 (41:38):
He kind of stayed aloof for a little while. I mean,
he let me give him some pets and stuff, but
he didn't really act out of the norm beyond that.
And then we never had another experience there after that.
It was just like a one and done thing.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
Yeah, I know how that goes. Those are sometimes a
stranger to try to explain. It's much stranger to try
to explain in like the house that you brought up,
that's a very easy to like try to figure out
what's going on. Well, you have an orphanage where there's
abuse going on, but what about this dude and it's
only a one and done that's very very odd.

Speaker 3 (42:19):
Yeah, after that, I didn't have any other I lived
in Saint Louis for two years and then moved back
to Wisconsin and then didn't really have any experiences until
like twenty ten or so. That's when I was actually

(42:40):
two thousand and nine, moved into a house with an
ex girlfriend, well she was my girlfriend at the time,
and that's when we saw the shadow being there. She
saw it when it came into the bedroom, and I
saw it when it left the bedroom. That was right
after we move. Did she saw kind of like looming

(43:03):
over her in bed. I don't think she had like
sleep paralysis, but she's not kind of like looking over
her in bed. And I saw peaking it back in
the bedroom after the fact. And from what I saw,
I saw its like head, like the silhouette of its
head look around. It was like a white frame of
like the door frame when it peaked in like its

(43:25):
head looked like it looked two dimensional. It's the only
way I can describe. It would look like a cutout,
like if I were to look at it from the
other way, I wouldn't see it at all. It looked,
you know, like a paper cutout of like a head,
like peeking in. From what I remember, but that place
had a lot of weird happenings. She was working at

(43:48):
a grocery store. She was at work, and I came
home from my work to eat lunch and then walk
the dog every day. I came home one day and
I walked the dog and you know, ate a sandwich
and then left and I left something like my phone.

(44:08):
So I circled the block and came back around. We
had this hook where we'd hook up the dog leash
one every time, you know, we were done walking the dog.
I walked in the door and the dog was fine,
she wouldn't hack. There wasn't acting weird. But her leaf
was on the counter and it was tied in three
knots and I hadn't done that. Like came back. I

(44:31):
had was gone for two minutes. MAX just circle the block,
parked the car and came inside to grab whatever I
forgot saw her leash was laid on the counter, tied
in like three knots, like perfectly perfect length in between
each three knots, and we would hear like stomping coming

(44:51):
up from the basement stairs and a lot of the
cabinets would just be open, and the following morning it's
only you know, dishes being shuffled around. Or I mean,
maybe it's something from Saint Louis that was attached to me.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (45:08):
Yeah, maybe if it could change shape, you know, maybe
if it didn't want to look like a three D
smoke entity with the four inch nose. It's like, I'm
gonna look like a black cutout this time. I don't know.
I mean, it could be something completely different too.

Speaker 3 (45:22):
Maybe it's all gin. Maybe everything is.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
Yeah, that's what Rosemary Ellen Giley thought. She thought that
all of this was the gin, which it very well
could be. There's no way to know.

Speaker 3 (45:35):
Could they definitely like to serve the old trickster element?

Speaker 2 (45:40):
I guess yes, yes, they like to scare and terrify
if they feel like it. I mean, the smoke entity
didn't feel like terrifying you, but it sure sounds.

Speaker 3 (45:53):
That's the thing, Like, yeah, yeah, I should have been
like like, I don't know, I just know I wasn't
as scared as I should have been. I think I
was like more fascinated. Like this thing has just changed
my worldview of you know, the paranormal religion or or whatnot. Like,

(46:17):
but I just yeah, it was just right there, and
I didn't like it didn't care about me either. It's
just like wanted me to like not interfere with whatever
it was doing. Winning for what about.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
Your girlfriend with this with this two d homie hanging
over her bed that time? Didn't that did that scare her?

Speaker 3 (46:40):
Yeah? She called it like a shadow man for sure.
You know, I saw a shadow man looking at me
when I was sleeping. I don't know the details of
her experience exactly. I just remember she had seen it
that night, and I had seen it, I guess exit
or look back in. Maybe it was before came in,

(47:01):
but I don't remember. But I also don't remember being
like totally rattled awake after that either. But you hear
a lot of you know, cases of people just going
back to bed after some that should shake them to
the core.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
That's usually the case.

Speaker 3 (47:15):
Actually, people to bed. Yeah. Yeah, like so I guess, like,
you know, I don't remember like getting up.

Speaker 5 (47:22):
And and I've been you know, somebody like tried to
break into my apartment back in.

Speaker 3 (47:32):
Two thousand and six and he said he was gonna
come in and you murder me. And he was all
tweaked out and he was had like a he was
prying out the storm pain on the window and he
said he was gonna come in and like got my
girlfriend and kill me, and like we're face to face.
And this is when I was living in Lacrosse, Wisconsin,
and so like I usually would get up and check

(47:55):
the windows and you know, don't check the doors again
and make sure house was secure. But like, no, I didn't.
I don't remember getting out of bed and you know,
doing my routine of like making sure everything's okay.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
Yeah, that sounded like a pleasant experience. Huh. It's nice,
nice at all. Nice man that you met there in Lacrosse.
That's lovely.

Speaker 3 (48:18):
Yeah yeah, yeah. So yeah, I'm a firm believer in
keeping keeping secure.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
And I would be remiss and people will yell at
me if I don't bring this up because the three
knots side in the leash could be could be I
don't know, no one knows, but marking the trinity.

Speaker 3 (48:39):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that. That is my thought
after you know, learning some of that as well, or
and also like I think, you know, just symbolically and
not for binding, you know.

Speaker 2 (48:55):
Mm hmmm, because the other stuff sounds like classic conting stuff.
You'd your footsteps, stomping dishes, moving around. What else can
you remember?

Speaker 3 (49:05):
Like poltergeist activity? Yeah, it's one night it sounded like
something larger than a squirrel in the wall. It sounded
like a human like kind of like crawling along the wall.
It was much larger than like a mouse or squirrel.
I know, I know that can sound quite large too,
even in the woods, but like this thing sounded like

(49:26):
a human like crawling down all fours on the wall.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
It's just your friend from the attic from the first
hole soon.

Speaker 3 (49:34):
Yeah, it's quite possible. Yeah, anything, anything is possible.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
Anything is behind a wall does conjure up just dark
thoughts of what it could be. And it wouldn't be
pleasant to hear something like that, would you hear that? Now?
People usually hear things more at night because that's when
the TV's off. You're just you're more heightened to hear things.

(50:00):
So would it go on during the day or for sure?
Or was this always at night when you guys are
laying in bed you're like, oh, my god, here goes
whatever the hell.

Speaker 3 (50:11):
It wasn't like oh at the witching hour really or
any of my stuff. It wasn't always like I remember
hearing like the children, you know, at like ten o'clock
at night or maybe even during the day, but like
you can hear children playing outside in recess there, but
like at that little house, it's like that was on

(50:32):
my lunch break that had tied the knots, so I get,
you know, but we would hear the plates and we
would even hear them in the kitchen like get six
seven o'clock at night after dinner, like shuffling in the
plates or opening up doors and closing doors and stopping
up the stairs. That was anytime.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
I mean, did that stuff freak your girls are out?
I mean, wasn't she going we live in a wanted house.
We need to move.

Speaker 3 (51:01):
No. I think I think there was like a novelty
to it because like it was like it didn't really
you know, cause harm or anything like that. So I
think there was like a novelty to it. Our friends
would come over and experience. You know, there were times
where like, oh, you know, turn on the lamp and
the there's like a room in the back kitchen, and
it did that for a friend of mine, and it

(51:24):
would like open and close like the lid on a
garbage can.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
You need to tease that thing to do the dishes,
you know, right, like, hey, I know the best strike
in the world. Everyone will love you load the dishwasher.

Speaker 3 (51:42):
That we didn't even have a dishwasher there. It could
do the dishes though, why not? Yeah, that is so
you're paying no rent.

Speaker 2 (51:51):
Yeah, you're going to put some work in here, buddy. No,
I'm not trying to make light of it. I think
that's actually pretty cool that you could actually bring other
people in from the because some of this stuff is
very particular with who it will interact with or show
off or whatever you want to term. It's cool you
could bring outside people in and it would still just
continue this activity in front of them.

Speaker 3 (52:14):
Yeah, because like my buddy Adam, he was just held
just returned from the Iraq and I hadn't seen him,
you know, since he'd been deployed and he came back.
We were just chilling and I didn't even tell him
about the house yet, and he asked me. He's like,
who else is living here? Didn't even Oh, it sounded
like somebody just came up from the basement. Like what

(52:35):
are you talking about, because I think I went to
take a shower and come out and like we're going
to go out to the bars or something, and like
he swore that somebody came up from the basement. I'm like, no,
it's just me. My girlfriend at the time. I think
she was working or something or over her parents or something. Yeah,
and he was just like, ah, weird.

Speaker 2 (52:59):
Looks like last but not least you do have a
UFO sighting to talk about.

Speaker 3 (53:08):
Yeah, I was seeing my buddy Jason, his mom, and
we were over at his mom's apartment. We were out
in the back like the field, kind of like there
was an American legion over there, and we were talking
about he had just seen a UFO in the daylight

(53:31):
earlier that day and it was a silver ball up
in the sky and his mom, you know, Chima, and
I was like, yeah, we saw it. We were on
our wail from the store. We saw this, you know,
giant they she called it like the death Star, so
the big and like it was in the moon and

(53:52):
I was kind to give him ship and I was like, oh,
I never see anything. I kind of like looked up
at the it was the big Dippert was up at
the sky and there was this star that was out
of place. It was kind of like in the center
of like the the spoon of the Big Dipper. I
was like, what's that? And then like kind of came

(54:15):
towards us and kind of like it was like one
one ball and then I seemed like it kind of
like opened up into three to like a triangle, and
it kind of like turned and went towards like the
military base, but it was like low enough to where

(54:36):
it kind of like spun to where a plane can't spin,
kind of like I guess like a frisbee or a
boomerang like spinning not like fast, but like looked like
slow and went over the thing. We're like, what the
hell is that? And then we heard like two other
voices off another belcon. They was like, was that a UFO?
And I'm like I have no clue. I'm like it's

(55:00):
weird because like we were just talking about, you know,
not having any you know, I never got to see
a UFO in my life. I'm never going to see one.
And then this thing kind of like manifested, I guess,
and circled around, and it's just like you know, learning
that other people can like call upon UFOs. Did I

(55:21):
guess show up? You know? Is that all? But like
then there were other people on this other balcony that
did see it too, so that I think they were
so be me Jason, his mom, and then two other
people on the balcony like off the like left behind
us that saw this thing too.

Speaker 2 (55:42):
Have you ever tried to do that again? Maybe go
outside and bitch that you don't see as many UFOs
as you'd like, and see if it happens again.

Speaker 3 (55:50):
Yeah, I have tried, and it has not worked.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
It's worth a shot, you know, I know, because that
is extremely odd timing. I mean extremely because I see
I know I had just said it.

Speaker 3 (56:04):
I'm like, I never get to see I never seen
a UFO. I was so jealous of him seeing like
a giant ball kind of like coasting through the sky.
Literally it must have been like twenty five minutes, you know,
after me saying I never get to see that, you know,
we're just kind of like look it up and waiting
on another friend. But we saw it and other people

(56:26):
saw it too though. But seriously, like twenty five minutes
before that, like I was just saying like, oh, I
never to see you. You are full. I won't to see u.
A full one showed up.

Speaker 2 (56:39):
That's cool. I love that. I was.

Speaker 3 (56:43):
It was, you know, just a black triangle. It seemed
low enough to where we could kind of see like
the paneling like on the bottom of it, or like.

Speaker 2 (56:51):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (56:54):
Yeah, I mean it was low and close. Because the
Spartan's right outside of Fort McCoy as well though, so
I don't know, I could have been I don't know,
man made the TR three B or whatever going towards
the Fort McCoy or Camp Douglas. Fort McCoy's got some

(57:17):
pretty interesting stuff out there too. That's for that one.
We were doing night training exercises and he came across
that pale crawler out there.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
I love stories of pale crawlers that the same are
those things are so creepy. So was this craft always
at the same Was this craft that you saw always
at the same height until it left your site?

Speaker 3 (57:48):
It came down and started kind of like, yeah, spin,
it had to have been like two or three hundred
yards above us. Okay, it seemed kind of large the
size of that's two school buses maybe.

Speaker 2 (58:09):
And as far as the lights go, because you said
it was a one ball and then it went to
a triangle, do you think that was the A lot
of people have renditions of one light underneath, which would
essentially be in the middle of the triangle, and then
maybe that one just went off. Maybe it has something
to do with the propulsion or the energy needed, and
then the lights came on at the at the edges.

Speaker 3 (58:33):
That's that's that definitely could be or it could have
been like the perspective, it came at me, I saw
like one light and then it kind of came above me.
I saw the three. Good you know, I think that
that could be it too, or if you know, the
lights could have been often then as well.

Speaker 2 (58:52):
I always wonder, you know, especially with it, because any
a lot of the times, not every time, but a
lot of times when we're talking about the trying, you know,
your brain does kind of go to a more conventional craft,
and so if they don't need lights on these things,
then part of me goes, well, I do wonder if

(59:12):
it is a syop in some way, or just a
test to see how many people will reported if they
don't need if it's not some kind of a need
for the craft itself for propulsion or anything like that,
then why would they want anyone to know that they
were up there? Well to me, it seems like they
want to see who's going to report it.

Speaker 3 (59:34):
Right right, or you're who's actually going to see it,
or if they're intended to be you know, a covert
mission too, yeah, check out, you know, in another intelligent
life form, or because it's like we use lights on
our aircraft for communication, so it's like how to communicate that?
Or are they trying to like fit in poorly too? Yeah?

(59:59):
You know they can't get things just right?

Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
Yeah, like close guys, no cigar.

Speaker 3 (01:00:05):
Right right?

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
Nice try? Yeah. I would say that I lean more
towards man made with a lot of the triangle stuff.
But part of me then is also like, well, yeah,
can we did we really come up with that propulsion
on our own or did we steal it from another
craft that crashed probably in Ohio somewhere and went to
ride pat and now we have this as well.

Speaker 3 (01:00:26):
I don't know, Yeah, I think that's unlikely scenario. And
the fact that it was like right by another military
installation as well, and that's there were you know, things
of interest there too. They oh we made it, you
know a little too far west. We're going to go
east to fort or you know, shut because it came
in pretty quick, I remember that, and then it did

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slow down as it was kind of going above us
around above the apartment complex.

Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
Well, were the tiles like rectangle square? What was that leg.

Speaker 3 (01:01:02):
I remember it kind of being I remember it being
like square, like paneling. Honestly, that could be my philli
en z I had. It wasn't hmm, you know, I
don't remember seeing you know, details of like rivets, but
it looked like there were like panels in the bottom,
maybe like longer breck tangles and like square. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
Any kind of noise, any humming anything like that.

Speaker 3 (01:01:29):
No, No, absolutely silent, pretty cool, Absolutely silent.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
Pretty damn cool, even if it's ours. I mean, that's
that's very cool. I would like to see one of those.

Speaker 3 (01:01:42):
I would like to see one again.

Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:01:44):
I try and try and try, and I don't get
to have those experiences.

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
It's pretty cool. The timing of that though, is absolutely amazing. Well,
especially where you lived. There's a lot of a lot
of stories, a lot of weird stuf uff goes on
in those states.

Speaker 3 (01:02:02):
You know, Oh oh yeah, I live in I know,
wh I'm Minnesota a now, which is pretty close to
the Trumpalo. Like Mothman sighting, like I said, early two
thousands in the man Bat and then by Lake peppin
as well, which is like Peppy They're like lake monster.

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
Yeah, yeah, maybe you need to go stand at the
edge of the lake and bitch about I never see
any lake monsters and see if Pepe will come right
so he'll see you, or or.

Speaker 3 (01:02:37):
Go look for Mothman the man bat like people called
it man bat before, like you know, I guess Monster
Quest came in with the Mothman thing like people were
calling it man bat.

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
Mothman is definitely cooler, but I mean man Bat is
just as descriptive.

Speaker 3 (01:02:56):
Absolutely, Yeah, the man Bat.

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
You're like Michael Keatons and in Wisconsin, what's happening.

Speaker 3 (01:03:08):
Because I think, you know, I think everyone just kind
of assumed that like Mothman had its place in you know,
point Pleasant at that time because I think that was
at a time before all the Chicago stuff was going on.

Speaker 1 (01:03:21):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
Yeah. The man Bad, Yeah, that would also be a
cool sighting, I have to say, although you don't hear
a lot of people saying that when they saw a
mothman or a man bad it was very positive, But
I still think that would be an incredible sighting. Absolutely,
like put me on the list for that. I know

(01:03:44):
it's not supposed to be nice, but or maybe even
a harpinger of you're probably maybe out of here soon,
but I still think that would be cool. Well, Dylan,
anything else that I should have asked or anything else
you want to share.

Speaker 3 (01:04:01):
No, No, I haven't had an experience in such a
long time until last year and then that, But that
still could be a human being. Yeah, still living in
the attic of the house, my parents' house.

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
Messing with the wrong dude though, I mean, because that
guy has got some firepower. He's a cop after all,
and probably a pretty good jot. So if there's a
squatter in that house, he better be very careful when
he's coming down to grab that sandwich.

Speaker 3 (01:04:31):
Oh, absolutely, dude, really still their chips?

Speaker 2 (01:04:35):
Yeah? Yeah, he's like I got to eat these real quiet.
I have to be very choosy about what I steal
from the kitchen. Yeah, seriously though that either way, that
that was a really scary thing to see for you,
like realizing, oh, I'm not alone here.

Speaker 3 (01:04:49):
Great, Yeah, because I know I would just spend if
he did come from the attic, Like I was just
there like being like, shit, I don't want to clean
all this shit out. Yeah, Like I was just like
I had to stand in front of that door for like,
you know, four or five minutes, just like, yeah, I
don't want to because that was the next thing I

(01:05:10):
had to tackle and it was all dusty, and I'm like, man,
I don't want to deal with this because it had
to have been like a chore. If they were in
the attic, they would have had gone through you know,
boxes and boxes to get up there.

Speaker 2 (01:05:27):
Do you ever think about just you know, going to
the house or getting in touch with the guy with
the cop, you know, since you kind of already had
a previous experience with him prior to selling the house,
maybe he'd be pretty open to talking to you about stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:05:45):
Yeah. Possibly. I mean I've definitely opened I just haven't
been that way. I'm over an hour away. Yeah, and
I was commuting there four or five times a week.
You know, it's driving an hour there, an hour back,
just to you know, hall a few things out to
the dumpster and you know, do all the paperwork of
you know, selling a house and you know, meeting with

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my real tour.

Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
And yeah, breaks page and you.

Speaker 3 (01:06:11):
Know, visiting her in the hospital is just like so
much and you know a lot of it. I don't know.
My guard could have been down to for something to
kind of like cling to me, you know, you know,
being vulnerable. I guess to like a psychic attack or
something or something to attach me, attaches up to me,

(01:06:32):
is it? You know, is it a very trying time
to get all things are on the table? Really?

Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
Yeah. Well, and going off your hitchhiker theory, I mean,
he's got very sunken eyes. You know, his hair was
falling out, not looking great. I mean it sounds like
someone that meant maybe that's how they looked right before
they passed. And then yeah, he just decided to kind
of hang out with you for a little bit scare

(01:06:59):
the shit out.

Speaker 3 (01:07:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:07:02):
Yeah, you know they had that like look on their
face like it could have been like in Sound of
the Lambs where Clarius goes to visit Hannibal Elector and
there's all the like the weird people and like the
not weird people, the other you know, jill criminals, crazy criminals.

Speaker 3 (01:07:21):
He looked like he could have been like an extra there.
Really like that, which is why I like, which is
why I kind of thought like maybe he came from
that nursing home that was just demolished, you know, like
his residence was just destroyed, his haunts is gone. So
I'm gonna pick you know, get you right with this guy. Yeah,
I'm go check check out his digs.

Speaker 2 (01:07:43):
Yeah, that is that is a freaking one, Dylan, I'm
not gonna lie that. That's definitely on the no thanks
list right there. Nope. Like you're like, I noped to
the driveway. I'm like, yep, that is the proper steps
after that, because human war goes. That was not a
nice one. And look at all the other things that
you've seen though, isn't that funny? Like that the guy

(01:08:06):
that the one that actually could have been somehow, I
don't know how, but a person to hide in him
if he's in the hiding in the eye for a
whole week, and he got out somehow. That's the one
that that got you. Yeah, I guess the scariest time.

Speaker 3 (01:08:22):
Of everything, that is one. Yeah, And I've thought about
that probably every day since. And I just get that
look like creepy, chill like thinking about that dude, it's
like faces like greasy hair, plugged, dull hair in him,
like looking in the way he kind of like he
looked at me. He had his oh shit moment, kind

(01:08:44):
of like slunked inside. But he like when he broke
his eye contact, he looked down. I remember he like
stepped backwards. I don't know's it's all ichy.

Speaker 2 (01:08:56):
Was he holding anything?

Speaker 3 (01:08:57):
Yeah, I did not his hands. I just saw like
his upper tor so up but his hands were down.

Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
Yeah. I guess when his face and hair looks like that,
it was probably just so shocked and he probably couldn't
take your eyes off of his face.

Speaker 3 (01:09:14):
Yeah. Yeah. I remember reaching into my back right pocket
and pulling out my box knife, and I'm like, all right,
this is I'm just gonna step back out because I
don't know if I you could have a bigger knife,
you know. They stepped out into the driveway and called
the cops, and it was just kind of bomb kind

(01:09:37):
of bombed that they didn't, you know, find anything to
have some sort of closure, and just like I have
a lot of work left to do in this house.
I can't I can't deal with that right now.

Speaker 2 (01:09:49):
Do you remember what they said, like when they came
out and they're like, there's no one in there. Did
you go like really, like did you check everywhere? Do
you remember the conversation?

Speaker 3 (01:09:57):
Yeah, like they like they checked on yep. He's like,
the house is clear. They checked under the stairs and
there was like a little cubby under the stairs, which
would be the other spot that I think he would
have set up shop in. And he's like, but we
did not check the attic. Well, your windows just the gear.
And your other door is locked, because there was like

(01:10:19):
one that deck door that goes out to the backyard
and that you know, was still locked and had like
a chair in front of it with a like a
swimmer mob like leaning against it. And that was already
on edge too, because like my mom's boyfriend at the
time refused to leave the property. I was afraid, like, ah,

(01:10:40):
I'm going to have to go through the whole legal
eviction to get somebody off the property. And I didn't
have the time to you know, waste on this because
like my mom was you know, she was in the hospital,
but they were holding her until she could get into
like a nursing home. But in order to get her
to a nursing home, I had to sell the house.
So you know, there was a serious time deal, and

(01:11:02):
like I had to get this house done, so I
mean I was putting a lot of time there taken
care of and you know, they called the wrench in
the machine because I didn't know if he was Like
it's like when my mom's boyfriend was living with her,
he would rent off the basement too random people.

Speaker 2 (01:11:22):
That's safe.

Speaker 3 (01:11:24):
So that's that's what I was thinking, Like, Okay, it
was one of these people. They came back, but yeah,
I mean if they were up in the attic, they
were up in the attic until the time I sold
the house. Was I left the flower there.

Speaker 2 (01:11:40):
Until yeah, you see like a week, right, and nothing
was disturbed.

Speaker 3 (01:11:45):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:48):
I mean if someone squirreled away enough food and water
for a week, I mean, if that's what they do,
they're like professional squatters. That heat really could have been
up there.

Speaker 3 (01:11:56):
Still, it's quite possible.

Speaker 2 (01:12:01):
Was this one of the entrances like in National Lampoons
where it pulls out from the ceiling or was there
a door and then the stairs leading up It.

Speaker 3 (01:12:11):
Was not like it was kind of like a fake
set of stairs. It's kind of like a like a ramp,
but there's like a piece of plywood that walked in
an anchor was like an angle, kind of like shimmy
up and kind of go up around the corner of you,
like then you stand up and you push like a
board out of the way, and then you had access
to the attic.

Speaker 2 (01:12:31):
Oh, that's that's different. Yeah, creepy either way, it's creepy.
I like that story. Sorry I do. It's cey, but
I don't. I don't want it to happen to me.
That's no, thank you. Yeah, dude can stay there. Yeah,
it'd be interesting to hear what's going on in that
even outside of the hitchhiker though, that house has so

(01:12:52):
much activity because of what's going on in the vicinity
and on the land under the ground talking about tunnels
and grays and mistreatment and holy crap. Yeah, it does
make you wonder if the cop was kind of into
that and knew of just that whole area being dark,
and he's like, oh, kind.

Speaker 3 (01:13:10):
Of into that, and he had two children that would
be living there now. So I'm curious if they're having
experiences too, Yeah, aside from whatever they could be experiencing. Yeah,
especially they go you know, if the ghosts like to
play with kids, or if they you know, focus on
you know, kids their age or which is quite possible

(01:13:34):
as well.

Speaker 2 (01:13:36):
Well, Dylan, I really appreciate you reaching out and being
willing to come on. And if you do ever hear
anything about you know, your old your old stumping ground there,
get in touch. I would love to hear any updates that.

Speaker 3 (01:13:50):
You have, Oh for sure.

Speaker 7 (01:13:57):
So I was giving.

Speaker 8 (01:14:00):
Because I that's out of college. I've done these things
in my profession. I produce a little bark, but it says.

Speaker 3 (01:14:05):
Forget it, that's not.

Speaker 8 (01:14:09):
That's something from story, that's all gone, that's all parts.
I want to see the really who you are now?

Speaker 3 (01:14:16):
But nobody knows who learning.

Speaker 8 (01:14:17):
Is because we don't know ourselves except who listening to
Marcos and consulting our menmbers. But then that's a really
and then again needs expect this.

Speaker 3 (01:14:31):
Question what are you? That is the meaning? We shall
see how they play.

Speaker 8 (01:14:39):
With this except by the cost to get you to
come out of your show and find out.

Speaker 9 (01:14:47):
Be very old h steps. It's it's, it's it's steps.

(01:15:34):
It's exams, for example, are quite divided on us.

Speaker 8 (01:16:42):
They will say, no, we don't believe literally in reincarnation
that after your funeral you will suddenly become somebody different
to being somewhere else. They will say, reincarnation means this
that if you're sitting here now, I really convinced that
you're the same.

Speaker 9 (01:17:01):
Person a folding at the door half an hour ago,
you'll be becoming.

Speaker 8 (01:17:07):
If you're liberate with relas now that you're not. The
past hasn't bestence.

Speaker 3 (01:17:14):
The future has insistence.

Speaker 1 (01:17:16):
There is only the present.

Speaker 3 (01:17:18):
That's the only aweening of the incidence.

Speaker 8 (01:17:21):
The said master don't get space in s string does
not become sumence because there is samcence and then there
is spring.

Speaker 7 (01:18:04):
It's it's, it's, it's it's puss.

Speaker 4 (01:18:45):
Puss Ts has the same idea.

Speaker 8 (01:19:27):
Where he says, when you've settled down in the train,
you can read your newspaper and so they were not
the same person.

Speaker 3 (01:19:36):
While I go and live the plan.

Speaker 8 (01:19:39):
If you think you are, you are linking your moments
up in the check. And this is what binds the wheel.
When you know that every moment of which you are
is the only moment. This comes intos and the Master
will say.

Speaker 3 (01:19:56):
From somebody, I can have a walk acrost the rock,
and it comes back and it says, where are your footprints?
They've gone, So where are you? Who are you?

Speaker 8 (01:20:09):
When we are asked who we are, we usually give
a kind of recitation of an instrum instruen instence, insence,