iNTO THE FRAY 506: The Cursed Masks-Part Two

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The infinite complaces people went to and pro fears about
their little affairs, serene in the assurance of their dominion
over this small binning fragment of solar driftwood, which, by
chance or design, man has inherited out of the dark
mystery of time and face.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (01:04):
In this episode of Into the Phray, I welcome Brandon
on with me. And I have already mentioned this to
Brandon prior to us officially recording, but I wanted to
bring it up again because it is a good point
to me being me sometimes and just I know. Brandon
was very gracious and said, don't worry about it. Life happens.
Things happened. But Brandon and I first started emailing back

(01:27):
and forth about him coming on the show back in
twenty twenty, for God's sake, and he kind of re
emailed me and said, hey, just circling back around, and
I'm like, oh, my gracious, I am so very sorry.
I don't even remember what happened there. I have no
good excuse or reason why it is just now happening.

(01:50):
So Brandon, and for me to say to everyone out there,
if you have emailed me at some point and maybe
I never got back to you at all. Just hook
me again, send it out an email and say hey
out there, still knock and yes, I wholeheartedly apologize and Brandon,
welcome on the show. Finally, Well thank you.

Speaker 4 (02:12):
Yeah, it's been a long time coming. But you know,
like I said, it's all good. Life happens. Things happen,
and you kind of got to get to some stuff
when you get to it. I actually what made me
reach back out to you, aside from like listening to
the show and whatnot, I had you had made an
Instagram video and I saw it on Instagram because I
follow you on Instagram also, and I was like, oh yeah,
I was like, I was like, we never talked.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
I'm the worst. I'm so sorry. And because people are
probably like, well, into the Fray team really sucks. The
secretary over there sucks. I'm the secretary. I'm the team.
I suck.

Speaker 5 (02:45):
So I.

Speaker 4 (02:48):
Life happens like I know it does.

Speaker 3 (02:50):
I'm very excited to talk about all this and this
is the cool and essential end of the Fray type
of a chat today. That's what it will be because
it covers several different types of subjects and Brandon, I
don't know if you wanted to go chronological or not
totally up to you. But I have your list in
front of me, the one that you sent all those
years ago, and I am ready to be a good listener.

Speaker 4 (03:13):
So one thing I neglected in that list, and I
only know this because I happened to hear the episode.
I made a note of it, and so in my list,
I discussed about living at a haunted living in a
haunted house in my list, and that weird things happen there.
You actually interviewed one of the individuals who was there

(03:34):
for some of it and at three oh five. His
name is Chris, and the episode is titled it's episode
three oh five Buried the Cursed Masks.

Speaker 3 (03:46):
Oh my gosh, that's the house. Yes, okay, I know
exactly what house that is. That is incredibly creepy place.
That is that episode is extremely memorable. Now that you've
said the name of the that episode, I know exactly

(04:08):
what's gonna happen. So, oh my gosh. So we have
now another inhabitant of that freaky house. So that is
legit actually pretty amazing because that there's I mean, things
do meld together in the show, subjects and people and things,
and but that that house definitely stuck out to me,
so it will be pretty incredible to talk to someone

(04:29):
else that lived in that freaky place.

Speaker 4 (04:33):
Yeah, I was the I was the roommate that is wild.

Speaker 3 (04:36):
Did you know that Chris was going to come on
with me or you just happened across that episode?

Speaker 4 (04:42):
He had reached out to me, like he said in
the in the episode, Uh huh, he's hey, do you
remember this? I was like, yeah, kind of, I remember
some of it. I feel like some of my blocked
out and he's, well, do you remember the masks? And
I was like, oh yeah, it's like there was those masks.
I was like they were like would be slipknot masked

(05:03):
and it was super and he with what he had
said on the episode when it came to those masks,
it was like, yeah, they were creepy. They're creepy as
hell like that. You could you could fit them on
your face if you really wanted to. But they had
I remember they were the one. I remember the one specifically,
and it was the spiked one. Yes, And I remember
that it had not He had said I think that

(05:26):
there was like an inscription inside of it, and I
don't remember the inscription but I remember that however they
made it, it was. It reminded me of an iron maiden,
like on the end side of the mask. I remember it.
You would not want to put that on your face.

Speaker 3 (05:47):
I remember that being the recurring theme, that being the
questions like did anyone ever put them on? And You're like, well,
I remember Chris being like, well, I mean you could,
but who would want to? Like what would happen now afterwards? Okay,
we'll save that for when we get there, And I
do because I do want kind of a recap of
how you moved in and what they all the mess

(06:08):
looked like, because that has been quite a while ago
for myself and for the listeners. But okay, Brandon, well,
did you want to start kind of at the beginning
of your paranormal experiences?

Speaker 4 (06:20):
Yeah? No, for sure. So I want to say the
first one that I can actually remember was back in
two thousand and eight. And I only remember this because
me and my buddy, actually my old co host, Josh,
him and I went to go see the Iron Man movie.

(06:43):
So it was when that came out, because it was
opening night, because I remember we went to the midnight
showing and that whole kind of evening was a weird
It was like a weird blur, like we had a
lot of weird things happened on the way to go
to see the movie. And then we got there, we

(07:06):
went to eat, then go see the movie, and on
our way back home because I think I was gonna
crash at his house or something. On the way back,
we because I live in Peoria, Peoria, Illinois.

Speaker 3 (07:25):
And.

Speaker 4 (07:26):
There's this back road that you can take. It's called
Kickapoo Creek Road, Like you travel through this little town
called Pottstown, and then you take Creek Road onto Farmington Road,
which runs through towards out towards the Peoria County out
towards Farmington. And on this road, it's I don't know,

(07:51):
it's three o'clock in the morning or something like that,
and him and I were just talking talking about the movie,
just how awesome it was, so on and so forth,
and we come around this bend and Kickapoo Creek Road
the way it is with where we were at, there
is a little it's like a dog park that's like

(08:12):
an open dog park that leads to Kickapoo Creek and
on the so that'd be on our left side and
on the right side. There's a couple of houses out
there and it there's a hill and the hill it
goes from being like limestone rock and then just dirt

(08:33):
and whatnot, but really kind of forested. It's kind of
like one of the foresty areas it like actually in Peoria.
And we come around this bend and as we're talking,
my lights I had my brights on, and as we
came around the bend, we saw this thing stand up

(08:56):
out of the ditch. And it's when I say stand up,
it stands like it was crouched and then it just
stood up and we both got really silent, or like
did you see that? I remember looking over at him
and going, hey, did you see that? Or was I
imagining that? And he goes, no, I saw it too.

(09:18):
It looked it looked like a guy in a gilly suit,
and it was big. It was I would I was
driving a four door sedan at the time, and this
thing when it stood up, that kind of had to
describe it. When it stood up, it was in the ditch.

(09:42):
So most ditches are probably a foot deep, give or take,
especially like where this area was, and so this thing
stood up and you could not see its head like
over with my sinan driving by. If anything, I would

(10:04):
say you would see like torso down while standing in
the ditch when we drove by, and again, like I said,
it looked like to me, it looked like a guy
in the gilly suit. And Josh kind of felt the
same and he was like, what do you think that was?
I was like, I don't know. You want to see

(10:25):
if it's still there. So like we ripped around, pulled
in somebody's driveway, backed up, and flew back down the
street just see if it was still there, and lumbld
nothing else was there. So we got to kind of
talking about it and thinking that did we just see bigfoot?
Like you know? And we're like, I don't know that

(10:49):
really was, but it, I mean had all the characteristics
the way it just kind of looked from what we
could see. It looked like if you would think of
a shaggy man standing there. And it was just kind

(11:11):
of like an unsettling thing to come up upon, because
like I've heard stories here in the area that there's
people have seen Bigfoot like we have. There's a local
legend in East Peoria on Coal Hollow Road where there
was the coal hollow monster which was called Cohomo, and

(11:36):
that that cryptid is thought to be like a bigfoot,
and that it was seen back in the seventies. Some
people say that they still he'll see it now, but
I know that was reported in the paper back in
the seventies. And then we had a mutual friend from

(11:57):
like high school who said that his grandparents, because he
lived in his grandparents' house, who would talk about I
guess back in the day harry men would pick apples
from their apple tree. And from what other things I've

(12:17):
heard since then, is that there because we have Illinois
has the Shawnee National Forest, we have Jubilee State Park
outside of Peoria, and that there's reports all over Illinois
of bigfoot. We had that was at the BFRO. There
was a report not too long ago, like within the

(12:38):
last five years, of somebody finding tracks out at Wildlife
Prairie Park, which is only five six miles outside of Peoria.
So it kind of became this like running thing where
we're like, yeah, we saw Bigfoot, Like why else? What

(12:59):
else would it have been somebody out there at three
am just standing in a ditch, especially with the way
that they looked and the rest of that night just
kind of progressively got weirder after that. I remember that
after we had that encounter, we ended up getting back

(13:22):
to his house and we would be outside smoking cigarettes,
So we weren't altered or anything. We were just outside
just trying to figure out what just happened, like what
we had just encountered, and we it kind of was
one of our things was to like kind of walk

(13:44):
around the neighborhood and where his house is. It's off
of Farmington Road, and so a lot of those neighborhoods
right in there, like they are surrounded by forest, and
we went we just I'd go walk that night too,
for some unknown reason, because why not, we just saw

(14:04):
a bigfoot, Let's go walk around the neighborhood at three am.
It's whatever, dumb teenage stuff, and we ended up we
we end up hurt. This like music coming out of
the woods. And to me, how I have always interpreted it,

(14:26):
I remember distinctively saying witch's music. And I don't know
why that thought came to my head, but it was
like that old timey kind of like circus music is
the best way I can describe it. That's what we
heard in the woods and after that, we're just going like,
let's just go back to the house, like we're done

(14:48):
doing that right now. That was probably like the first real,
I guess you could say, big odd exp sperience that
I had, and then it just progressively has gotten much
weirder since then. Yeah, it was like still this day,

(15:14):
I mean that happened what almost fifteen years ago now,
and I still I don't have an explanation for it.

Speaker 3 (15:25):
Whose side of the car was it on?

Speaker 4 (15:27):
It was on Josh's side, so because I was driving
and so, and I know, like when while we were talking,
like we both were just abruptly quiet, like mid sentence,
just shut up. And like when I looked over at
him and I was like, did you see that? And

(15:49):
he was and he was like, yeah, it was right
next to me. And that's He's not typically one to
get bothered by seeing stuff. If we passed a deer
or anything, He's not wanted to be like, oh, look
a deer. No, you just keep talking, you know what
I mean. And for him to just kind of just

(16:12):
not slack job, but just stone faced. It was definitely
something that we did we did not expect to see.

Speaker 3 (16:25):
Would you say that the hair was the same length
especially on chest area or was there different links to
the hair?

Speaker 4 (16:33):
So I I didn't really, I wouldn't say that there
was any different lengths it. Like I said, it reminded
me of a guy in a gilly suit, so that
the hair was all hair or whatever you want to consider.
It was all about the same length, not like a dog,
but you know what I mean about like dog's hair

(16:55):
and whatnot. No, it was like that layered like when
it comes to mind, it's more so of a layered
is the best way I can kind of describe it.
Textured and it wasn't. It was like it. It reminded

(17:17):
me the texture of, like I said, a gilly suit.
I can't really I can't think of the word of
how not matted, but layered and textured. I guess kind
of like when a dog gets wet, kind kind of
like their hair is it's clumped. Does that make sense?

Speaker 3 (17:43):
Yeah, definitely. Now how about it? How about its hands?
Was its hands visible at all?

Speaker 4 (17:48):
So I'm not gonna lie. I did not think to
look at the look for hands because it was so abrupt.
I mean it was three seconds, like three five seconds.
I mean, we like drove right past it. So it
was one of those like when you're coming up on somebody,

(18:09):
like didn't really think to look of that.

Speaker 3 (18:12):
Yeah, it was like.

Speaker 4 (18:13):
Because it stood up like it just like it was
crouched and just whoop up like as we turned, like
it saw us. Kind of thing. Oh, shouldn't be here.

Speaker 3 (18:29):
Now, obviously this thing was extremely tall. How about a
guess on how wide it was? Maybe shoulder to shoulder.

Speaker 4 (18:38):
So it's you mentioned that, and I've always remembered I
used to deal with bariatric beds. If you know what
that is. That's a bed that extends from thirty six
to forty eight inches. I would say that shoulder to
shoulder was probably at the very least four feet. I

(19:03):
wouldn't say it was like huge and massive, but it
was definitely bigger than the average person and four feet
pretty decent sized. Yeah, and I'd have to say it
between thirty six and forty eight, like it was somewhere
in there. It was definitely big enough that knew it
was not a person, knew it wasn't just some guy

(19:25):
standing there because it was just that that solid. I
guess you could say like it wasn't a person standing there,
especially since there was no defining features. What I mean
by that is it didn't really see its face, so
it looked had to tow this kind of uniformed like shape.

(19:52):
Could obviously clearly tell that it had like arms and
that it stood, but nothing really like point out saying, hey,
that's a dude in a suit.

Speaker 3 (20:04):
Do you recall or would you have? I mean, I
mean again, all these are just random questions that you
may not know the answer to. But do you know
if there was water in the ditch that night?

Speaker 4 (20:17):
So I don't remember if there was water there, but
I do know just from driving that road for however
long I have, that spot does sometimes have water. I
think honestly, just down probably five hundred feet from where

(20:43):
this happened, that there is a fire hydrant. So and
then so, like I said, it was on the right
side of the street facing the hill, and on the
left side there is more wood. And then it's also
like an open field that leads right to the creek

(21:04):
and it's right there. It's not even Yeah, it's probably
five hundred feet away from just the creek there, Like
it's not very far.

Speaker 3 (21:17):
Yeah. I pulled it up on maps Kickapoo Creek Road,
and I mean you're right because you zoom in a
little bit. The road is actually not a very long
road itself, but it sits right next to a nice
swath of forest even to this day, and then when
you zoom back out, it really if you're looking at
just the green belt, there where something that might want

(21:40):
to stay covered, wanted to be covered, It could for
a very long way, and not to mention things like
moving at night and being super quiet and stealthy at
all that so that that is a really cool sighting
and an ideal one in most people's books, because I
that's a question and you've heard me asking what's your

(22:01):
ideal sighting and a lot of them say, a road
siding from the safety of my vehicle.

Speaker 4 (22:06):
Yeah, no, And I mean that was one of those.
We were like, we really were. We're like, what was that?
And then yeah, we.

Speaker 3 (22:14):
Turned around, no joke, I like that you did that.

Speaker 4 (22:18):
We're like, there's no way. We like, within thirty seconds,
I mean we gunned it and turned around and we
creeped by there that whole like stretch that we saw.
Because if you're looking on the map right where that
open field is at, like it was, I mean it

(22:40):
was only I'm looking at the map also just kind
of with where the park is at, I mean the
I guess if you want to call it the peninsula
more towards Farmington Road right there that clearing, It was
like right in that area. So you would think that

(23:01):
with we passed turned right around, like we would see
something running if it went that direction, we would see it.
If it went up the hill, We're not gonna see
it in the woodline. But I mean, I remember it
was a clear night, like moon was out, like you
could probably drive that without your lights on. I wouldn't suggest.

Speaker 3 (23:25):
That, but well, I mean, what was you guys's thoughts
on Bigfoot prior to that? Was either one of you
in the Bigfoot is who he camp and that changed
anyone's mind, or.

Speaker 4 (23:35):
So I believe that he's been He's always kind of
been skeptical on it, but I believe he believes more now.
Whereas I, like I watched the Bob Gimmlin film, like
I watched the Monster Quest and whatnot. I I was
into the stuff regardless. I mean, but I always figured

(24:00):
they were out west, like it was a thing that
happened out west, or the Skunk Ape and the bug
Creek Monster. I would never have thought it would have
been I would have saw something in Illinois. That's the
last place I would have thought to see something. But
then as the years have gone on, I've heard more,

(24:20):
seen more reports and whatnot. And that's what honestly led
me to be like, oh yeah, Shawnee National Forest, they
have bigfoot reports stuff. North of US, there's bigfoot reports.
But like I said, I never ever thought I would
actually ever see something here. It's just not something that

(24:42):
I would have correlated it was. It definitely made me
think that from now on, like if I go camping
or something like, you don't know what's out there there.
You could be being watched by something.

Speaker 3 (24:59):
You know what, though, Bread and I give you guys
props for turning around to try to see the bigfoot again,
But y'all didn't run in to the woods towards the
witch music to see what was doing. So so I'm
totally kidding, by the way, if you hear creepy music
from the woods, just don't go.

Speaker 4 (25:17):
Yeah. That was we were just like walking around and
him and I that was like a normal thing for us.
We get bored, either we were drinking or not even
just bored in general, and we're like, oh, you want
to go walk around? We know this neighborhood like the
back of our hand, like we know most of the

(25:40):
people that live here. So we just went walking around
and that was a kind of a common thing and
we even did that when we were younger. So, like
that same night, to hear this music like coming out
of the woods, even if it was coming from somebody's house,

(26:01):
that's some that's creepy.

Speaker 3 (26:03):
Yeah, that's a no thanks there. Yeah, there's just certain
things that if you hear coming from the woods, you
don't go investigate. Sorry.

Speaker 4 (26:10):
Yeah, we were like, let's just hi, tailor.

Speaker 3 (26:14):
It's fine, Like it's been a long day of weird
let's go home. Enough of this out of doors. Okay,
But that might be a good segue then to things
that have happened indoors to you, because it sounds like
you do have sleep paralysis, bouts and things going on, right.

Speaker 4 (26:35):
So yeah, I did used to have sleep paralysis and
I've not had it for a couple of years now,
which has been pretty nice. But so after that had happened,
I was living with my parents and I would have

(26:56):
these just strange bat oats of sleep roalysis. The first
time it happens, you kind of panic if you've ever
experienced it, and I had never experienced anything like that before,
and I always felt, aside from the paranoia of being awake,

(27:23):
I always felt that there was something that was like
watching me, or like standing in the room with me.
And this happened for weeks. It got to a point
where it was like it was gonna happen at least
once a week. Sometimes I would almost even know the

(27:46):
day that it was gonna happen. Strangely enough, it just
would be like a weird feeling, like in the back
of your mind. And I would have it pretty consistently,
and it would always kind of start out the same
where I would go to bed, Yeah, I put a
timer on the TV, and then I would go to sleep,

(28:12):
TV get shut off, and then at some point I
would wake up. I couldn't tell you what time I
would wake up, but at some point I would just
wake up, and when I did, I could not move.
I couldn't move, and that's when that paranoid kind of

(28:35):
feeling sets in. But I would always feel like there
was something in the corner of the room watching me,
or sometimes it would feel like it would come closer
to me. I don't know how to like really describe
that feeling other than like the terror would It would

(29:01):
be like focused at a certain area of the room,
and I would feel like it would get more pronounced
from that area, which is what made me feel like
maybe it would get closer to me. And there was

(29:22):
a couple times when while this is happening, I would
feel sometimes like something would be in a way touching me,
or like trying to the way I kind of have

(29:42):
described it would be kind of like crawl into me.
I don't know how to really put it other than that.
And I would try to wake myself up, turn over
whatever while this is happen happening, and it would always

(30:03):
be this like really kind of like cold. That's the
only way I can really think about it, Like it's
like cold sensation. And it would always start feet first
and up my legs, and it got to this point

(30:24):
where it was like testing the boundary, I guess you
could say, because it would progressively get worse, Like it
would start one time and that's how it would be,
and then I'd wake up or I'd be no longer
paralyzed and progressively it would get worse, and it got
to this point where I ended up. Now I'm not

(30:47):
a religious person by any means, but it got to
this point where I, for some reason thought to myself,
nothing is working. I can't do anything. So I was like,
maybe I tried the Lord's Prayer, like that would help,
And crazy enough, it did, like after reciting that like

(31:12):
a thousand times in my head, it would go away.
And then the very last time, while I was living
with my parents that it had happened. For some reason,
that night I thought to take I had my grandfather's
like cross, and for some reason, I don't know why,

(31:35):
but I was like, I'm going to put this under
my pillow like tonight, and I did, and with doing
that and again stating the Lord's Prayer again, this feeling
that I had that was trying to take over it
went away and it kind of just stayed away for

(32:00):
a little bit. And I was relieved, obviously, but it
stayed away. And I've always thought that there was when
the sleep paralysis would happen, that there was always some
sort of presence like watching me or something. Then fast

(32:22):
forward just a couple of years, I so leads to
the masks from Chris's story from three oh five. I
moved in with him, who was the homeowner, And it
wasn't like he openly was like, hey, man, house is haunted,
do you want to come live here? No, it was

(32:44):
he was like, hey, I'm looking for a roommate or friends.
I didn't know if like you were maybe wanting to
move at your parents' house and you want to come
live with me and whatnot. And him and I worked
out something. I was like, yeah, sure, dude, I'll come
live with you and whatnot. So I became a roommate
and he would it was our typical like we're nineteen

(33:06):
twenty twenty one, We're going to party all the time
kind of thing, and so it would seem like we
would have a party on the weekends, like almost every
weekend consistently. And I do remember now, I will say
some of the some of it's kind of foggy because
I hadn't thought about it until Chris reached out to me.

(33:30):
But I do remember that they dug up the trees
and Time's backyard and they found these two masks. I
was not there for that. I moved in after that,
but I do remember the masks, and that the masks
they had him sitting outside on a table and I

(33:51):
think it was a glass table or something like that.
And they were creepy. I mean they were odd.

Speaker 2 (33:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (33:57):
Can you describe as in as much detail like in
just because it's, like I said, three or five, it's
been a while, so just what you remember about each
one of them and how each one of you felt,
and what you guys talked about in relation to the masks.

Speaker 4 (34:11):
Yeah, so I remember Tim didn't really make a huge
deal about them. He was like, yeah, we found these
masks in the under the trees in the backyard. He's there,
who would make these kind of things? And yeah, they
were they were made of they were metal. I couldn't
tell you if they were steel or iron or whatnot.
But they had some weight to them. And there was

(34:34):
two and one. I know that the one it had
had spikes all over it. It was like somebody had
trimmed nails and like tack welded all the nails to
the front of the mask. And I think one of

(34:54):
I think that same one. It is either that one
or the one with the I want to say it
was a hand. I can't really remember if it was
a hand. It was spiky boy and mouth hand like though,
like that's just kind of how you separate them. But
the spiked one, it had the spikes coming out of

(35:16):
the face. And I remember on the inside it was
not clean like it was not It wasn't just like
a smooth surface like there there were like it not.
I think Chris said something about an inscription on the inside,
and I don't remember an inscription, but I do remember

(35:37):
that on the inside it was kind of like an
iron maiden with it having like nails kind of on
the inside also, so it was like a thorned mask.
And then the mouth hand mask that one, I feel,
if I remember correctly, somebody had also taken nails and

(36:02):
they had welded them over the eyes, so it had
that hand coming out of the mouth, but then the
eyes were nailed and for some reason, I don't know
if Chris mentioned this, but I feel like that the
one that had the hand coming out of it, I
want to say that one had a crown of nails,

(36:25):
and I don't mean barbed wire and like nails all it,
but like on the on the head, on the forehead
of the mask, it had like nails coming out of
the forehead like a crown. And they both rusty. They
had been in the ground for some time. I remember

(36:46):
like touching them was like, I feel like we get tetanus,
like if I poked myself. But I mean they definitely
had some age to them from being outside and the
weather and whatnot. It was definitely nothing that like I've
welded before, and I would not have been able to

(37:08):
weld that together like they did if somebody welded all
of that and made those They put some time and
effort into it. And yeah, they sat outside and they
sat out in all in the weather. And you know
how like most metal, it sits out there too long

(37:30):
rain and snow and so on, that it'll oxidize and
it'll rust. And I remember that these masks they did
not like they had rust on them, but they did
not rust like some things would like if you left

(37:51):
like a tool outside and it rests, it rusts because
it's been out in the elements for a while. That no,
they did not really rust a whole lot. And they
were creepy, like I know that Chris would not touch them.
He did not. He was like, Nope, those are evil.
I don't want nothing to do with those. But Tim

(38:13):
was kind of just, oh, these are neat creepy, but
it's kind of neat. And for me, I mean I
thought the same thing, that's kind of neat. Those are interesting,
like they're creepy as hell looking at them, but you
know that's kind of cool, like you found that in
your backyard. Who finds that? But and then kind of
after that, they both had told me about like when

(38:37):
they were refurbishing his house, Tim's house, like when they
would stay, like some weird things would happen, Like they
told me about somebody had lit candles and they let
them melt to the floor, so they had to clean
up the wax, and I remember that some of that
wax would not fully come up, like even after scraping

(39:00):
and scraping, like it was just kind of stained there.
And then they told me that one time when they
were they like painted, there was little like handprints in
the house either as like between like they slept on
I think, like a sleeping bag and like an air

(39:21):
mattress or something like that, like they each had one
and either the paint was like the hand prints was
either between them like somebody walking on their hands, like
between them, or if it was, it was like there,
and I think kind of like they found some in
one of the other rooms and that they thought maybe

(39:43):
possibly a raccoon came in or something like that. Like
it was just kind of one of those odd one offs.

Speaker 3 (39:50):
In my misremembering that those little hand prints, they were
also having trouble getting rid of those as well.

Speaker 4 (39:58):
I so it's funny you mentioned that, because I feel
like that was what spurred that whole conversation with the handprints,
was that they couldn't get them go away or something
like that. And again, like I hadn't thought about any
of that until Chris had reached out to me. I
almost completely forgot about the masks, about the handprints, that

(40:24):
kind of stuff, like just I don't know, like I
blanked it out because I hadn't thought about them in
so long. I was like in two thousand and nine,
something like twenty ten, and I hadn't thought any of
that until he brought it up, and I was like,
I do remember, I remember you guys tell me about that,

(40:46):
and that they kind of had a hell of a
time like with some of the electrical stuff and whatnot,
weird electrical issues, which were things that you wouldn't really
think to you, You're like, ah, like a faulty wiring.
But it was like consistent, like even after they had

(41:07):
somebody come check it out, but like after I moved
in and whatnot. Like the parties that we would have, Yeah,
we had some some of the people that had come over.
They'd be like, let's see the mask. Let's see the mask.
So we'd show them and people are like, yeah, those
are creepy. Sure those aren't satanic or something, and typical

(41:27):
when you see something crazy like that. But I actually
something that Chris had mentioned. I forgot about the gnome
because we would joke that whenever something would happen in
the house, like something odd or paranormal would happen in
the house, we would blame the gnome. We would say

(41:48):
it was I think the nomes name was Henry. I
think is what the nomes name was, and we would
blame it on Henry. We'd be like, oh, Henry's messing
with us again, just dumb joking about that.

Speaker 3 (42:03):
And so, but how was backing up a little bit,
How is Henry or the idea even of Henry born,
what was he born out of? Where did that come from?

Speaker 4 (42:14):
So Tim had bought this garden gnome. It was a
some garden home he picked up either at some place
he worked or at a garage sale or something like that,
and he brought it home and he like had it
sitting on it's like on an entertainment stand or something,

(42:35):
and the little hand prince.

Speaker 3 (42:38):
Is what okay, Like he would come alive and he
would move around the house.

Speaker 4 (42:42):
Oh yeah, yeah, so that's kind of where we're like, oh,
like Henry's doing it. That was Henry. But I think
Tim might have bought the gnome after the hand prince.
But just joking, I gotcha about it.

Speaker 3 (42:54):
Well, what about just real quick before I forget this,
I know that you said that for the most part,
the masks stayed out outside on the glass patio table.
Would they ever come inside at any point?

Speaker 4 (43:05):
So we did, I think a couple of parties we
had brought them in the house. Oh, and I think
it was because somebody wanted to see them or something
like that. And it wasn't like that they stayed in
the house. No, they typically always were outside. But with
some people are like, oh it's cold outside on I
want to go out there, So it's oh, well, let's

(43:26):
go get them real quick, you can see them, and
then we'll put them back outside like that. They did
get brought in the house once or twice, because I
remember we put them like on the dining room table
during a party one time, so like people could actually
see them. And yeah, then like one night the gnome

(43:48):
got broke. I forget what even happened to him, but
I do remember that the gnome got broke because we
I think we put him back together like for the
most part. And then I guess some of the parties,
like we would have stuff if you have like a
desk or like a table, if you had like pins
or something or something small sitting on the desk, they'd

(44:12):
get thrown off the desk, and that happened more often
than not. There was one party that we had and
we were all standing by this computer desk that was
in the dining area, and like we were standing there drinking,
just kind of talking, you know whatnot, and all of

(44:34):
a sudden, like this pin just got thrown across the
room and there's four or five of us standing there.
And after that happened, they're like, we're out, just parties
over by, We're gonna go home, and it was like
it was super odd because Tim and I would have
that happen like all the time. There would be times

(44:57):
when Tim would be making lunch or something and the
if he was using a piece of silverware or something like,
it would get thrown across the countertop in the kitchen,
like it would just be thrown the opposite direction. And
we had all sorts of stuff like that happen all

(45:18):
the time. And we kind of with the whole Henry
thing when we said, no, it's just Henry doing it
like we had we had just to us, it seemed
like instances of a child being upset with something and
just like trying to get our attention, you know what
I mean by that, Like a little yeah, like a

(45:39):
little tantrum of just kind of and it'd be like
small stuff. It wouldn't even be like something massive. It
would be if you had headphones on the table, they'd
get thrown, if you had pens of pencils, silverware, just
strange things like that. I remember one time the way

(46:00):
that his living room was set up. There was like
recliners that faced they faced the kitchen. So I'd go
living room, there's like an open floor, so it's like
living room, dining area, kitchen, and then down to the basement.
So like when you would walk in, you'd walk into this.

(46:22):
You'd walk into the house, there was this I don't
want to call it, I guess awning kind of like
inside the house. It was like a coat room. That's
what it was. It was like a coat room, and
that then you would turn right and then living room,
dining room, kitchen, and then in the dining room area
there was the hallway to my bedroom, his bedroom, and

(46:46):
then the bathroom and the recliners in the living room.
They would face the dining area and the kitchen and
the basement, and the TV would be on the sidewall
and the couch be on the other wall. And I
remember one time he like him and I and one

(47:09):
of our other friends that was there, like we were
watching some movie and all of a sudden, Tim wasn't
one to really freak out when stuff would happen. He
was very kind of just like calm about it, and

(47:31):
not like that like creepy calm, just he would try
to be more like rational like kind of about whatever
had happened or was happening. And I remember one night,
like we're watching a movie and all of a sudden,
he just freaks out, just did you guys just see that?
And he wasn't one to be like that. If anything,

(47:54):
I think he was the most skeptical of us that
were there, and he freaked out terrified that he just
saw a person like standing at the edge of the
couch in the living room like we're all sitting there,

(48:15):
like none of us saw it, but he like all
of a sudden freaked out and did that. And we're like, well,
how big were they? And he correlation to Henry, He's like,
it was like the size of a kid like there.
And I remember that pretty distinct because Tim would not

(48:40):
he would not freak out about some of the other
stuff that happened like to the rest of us. So
for him to have that kind of reaction to something
was it was kind of out of character for him.
I remember we would be in his we'd even when

(49:00):
we'd be like in his basement and we would be
down there jamming, playing music. There would be times when
we were I mean, we're playing loud. Chris was playing guitar,
I was playing guitar, Tim was playing drums, just kind
of going at it and we would hear what sounded
like people walking through the house. And I mean, these

(49:26):
are not like light footstuffs like these are like boots
on the ground, like heavy footsteps, loud enough that we
could hear them over Tim's drumming. And I don't know
if you've ever been next to a drum set when
somebody's going to town, but it's loud, and we could

(49:50):
hear people walking around like above us. So we would
there's somebody here. We would stop and we'd go upstairs
nothing and that would happen all the time. Like Tim
and I would go down to the basement and just
like jam and we would hear that all the time.
And it wasn't like a reverberation from him drumming bouncing

(50:14):
off the ceiling sound. No, it was like heavy footsteps
walking around and sometimes it sounded like they would be pacing.
Tim had a dog, I can't remember his name, but
he was like a little like little medium sized dog,
and he would only go into the basement if we did,

(50:37):
and he would stay down there with us. So typically
when we were jamming, he would go down there with us,
and even he would like perk up when that would happen.
I mean, it happened all the time. That was That's
one of the biggest takeaways from living there was the

(51:02):
pacing that would happen if there was like any activity
in the basement, there would be pacing upstairs.

Speaker 3 (51:13):
The masks themselves, had anyone maybe gotten inee orated enough
or maybe they weren't at all. Did anyone put them
up to their face ever, try to put them on?
And even just joking around.

Speaker 4 (51:28):
So I'm an idiot, and I looked through them like,
because that's how I knew the like that you could
see it. But obviously, like if I'm like, if I
was like looking at it, like it's a mask to me,
so I'd hold it up to look through it. That's
how you kind of know that it was big enough
that you could wear it. But I couldn't see anybody

(51:53):
wearing them, especially anybody that would come over. Some people
when they would see them, they would they were like,
maybe that's enough for me. You need to throw those away.
Those are evil.

Speaker 3 (52:07):
So yeah, maybe some were the more sensitive type people
would have a very visceral reaction just upon seeing them.

Speaker 4 (52:14):
Yeah, And I mean no, if you saw them, no,
they were creepy, like they they were not something pleasant
to look at, and they did. I mean, if I
don't know, if you've ever been around an object and
you're just kind of like, I don't really want to
handle that or mess with that, that's kind of the

(52:35):
vibe that they had, kind of similar. I don't know
about you, but I don't mess with Wiiji boards. I
don't ever want to. I don't want to touch them,
so on, so forth. And that's kind of how being
around the masks made me feel. And that's typically kind

(52:55):
of why we kept them outside, like we really side
from the couple of times that they might have come
in the house, like they stayed outside until they disappeared.

Speaker 3 (53:11):
Yeah, what was the story about them disappearing? Were you
still there for that part?

Speaker 4 (53:16):
So that part, I know that they left, but I
don't know when that they left. I can't remember if
I was still there when they left, And I feel
like I was because it was kind of a it
was kind of a big thing, like we had, so

(53:39):
we had other kind of weird instances in the house,
especially with like involving doors being open, and so I
feel like I was still there when the masks disappeared.

Speaker 3 (53:55):
Well before you go there expand a little bit on
that old doors opening thing. Was it certain certain times
the day anything like.

Speaker 2 (54:02):
That, So.

Speaker 5 (54:04):
It was.

Speaker 4 (54:07):
I know, there's three instances where the like the front
door and the back door were both just wide open.
Tim left to work, I was either at work or
I wasn't even there that day, and the door like

(54:30):
I came home or Tim came home and the doors
are just wide open. Because we would he'd text me
and be like, hey, did you forget to lock the door.
I'm like, no, I always locked the door. I make
sure the back door's locked and the front door's locked,
and he goes I got home and both doors were
just wide open, and his dog would still be in

(54:54):
the house, like his dog wouldn't leave the house. Then,
like I came home a few times and the same thing.
I came home. I think I actually think Chris was
with me one time we came we went to the
store and came back and the front door was wide
open and the back door was wide open, and no

(55:17):
rhyme or reason that they were just open, nothing stolen
from the house anything like just wide open. And like
I said, that happened quite a few times. And with
the way that the door, the door opened in and
the back door had at a back door and the

(55:39):
screen door, and both of those were open, screen door
out facing the backyard, the back door facing the basement,
and the front door swung into the house. Just I mean,
you would think that if it got burglarized, like stuff

(55:59):
would be missing, that the first thing that we would check.
Did somebody steal a bunch of stuff? Nobody stole anything.
Everything was still there, instruments still there, anything small it
could be stolen still there. And it was odd because
you don't with the way that the back door was,

(56:21):
with the screen door open out into the yard and
the back door open into the house, You're not going
to have like wind do that and then open the
front door into the house to be open, you know
what I mean.

Speaker 3 (56:40):
Oh yeah, it's going to go one way or the other,
especially at the backside. One would be open, one would
be shut exactly.

Speaker 4 (56:46):
And that would happen sometimes if there's a big wind.
The screen door, if it wasn't lasted, it would open.
But to have the doors open than they were was
just very odd. And yeah, I believe that I was
still there when the masks disappeared, because we thought I

(57:08):
do know that there was somebody that we thought stole them,
and like this person, they didn't have them. But it
was one of those things, like a lot of people
knew that we had these masks, and then the masks
sat outside, so I mean what, I can't say what

(57:29):
happened to them, but yeah, while they were there, they're creepy.

Speaker 3 (57:35):
Do you know if any pictures exist of these two masks?
I know, I'm sure that I asked Chris this question, so.

Speaker 4 (57:43):
I think Tim might have had some, and I know
that I thought I had a picture of them, but
I I don't have I don't have the phone anymore
that I would have had at that time, so if

(58:04):
I did, they might be on that phone. But I'm
fairly certain that phone is trashed.

Speaker 3 (58:12):
Oh yeah, I'm sure. Yeah, I was just I have
to ask because then people would be screaming through their devices.
Oh are you going to ask if those pictures?

Speaker 4 (58:20):
I wish I had the pictures of that, because I
would definitely send those in because those are something you
don't you do not see ever unless it's in one
of those curious wonders like amusement antique shops or whatever.

Speaker 3 (58:36):
But these were I mean, these are talking like full size.
If these were made of paper, it would fit perfectly
for the most part or over most people's faces. Right.
It was enormous. These are normal sized masks. How heavy
was each of these masks because of their metal I
would imagine quite quite stout.

Speaker 4 (58:54):
I would say they were easily between eight to twelve
I mean they were solid, like they were heavy. A
good kind of reference of like size is like the
Halloween like mime masks, you know what I mean, They're
about that size. Like they were about that size, but

(59:14):
they weren't like like a full covering of the forehead.
It was just half the forehead and like down to
the chin kind of like size. I mean, like you
can pulm it, like yeah, over your face.

Speaker 3 (59:28):
This sain't no Joe Rogan Show podcast. Kind of kind
of a reach for me, of course. But if anyone
out there wants to create what's one of those email
servers that people use when they want to be all
clandestine cool is like proton mail or whatever. If you
have these masks, okay, create a separate email address, send

(59:51):
me a couple of these photos of the masks that
you took from the boys here, because I'm sure they
would like to see them again too, but I mean,
now this is I don't get a lot of this.
By the way, Brandon, another one of my favorites would
of course be the Robert episode where I had both
sides of that same experience and encounters, and now I

(01:00:11):
have that again. I don't get that a lot. So
I'm I love this very much. Is to have the
other side or another perspective, I should say, Well.

Speaker 4 (01:00:20):
It's like I didn't include it in my email because
I didn't think about it. Like I told you, like
I lived in a haunted house. We'd had stuff thrown
at us, YadA YadA. And then when Chris reached out
to me and they I heard the episode when I
was like, oh yeah, I forgot that stuff happened at
times like that. There was some of that stuff when

(01:00:40):
he ran into like when Chris when he was there,
because he stopped coming over after he saw the he
called it, I think a shadow demon or something like that.
After he saw that in the basement, like he stopped
coming over. Oh and while like I never saw anything

(01:01:02):
like that, I do remember that night where like he was,
I mean after that encounter, like he he was like
why does a ghost and then like he left and
he just kind of I don't really know if I
want to come back to Tim's. I mean, it was
just it affected him so much that he he didn't

(01:01:23):
come over a whole lot after that.

Speaker 3 (01:01:25):
Well, what about when Tim saw this little being entity
whatever shadow by the couch, I mean that was his house.
That did that then amp things up for him at
all because he seemed pretty laid back about it most
of the time.

Speaker 4 (01:01:39):
So yeah, he after that. That's the whole Henry thing.
Like that was we like kind of chalked it up
to don't I call it a joke, but we would
joke that, ah, dude, you saw Henry. You finally saw him.
We know who Wood's doing all this stuff, and him

(01:02:00):
was just yeah, I was I've never seen anything like
that before and it weirded him out. But that was it.
Like he didn't he didn't really if he had any
experiences aside from that one that we like visibly saw
him have, He didn't really talk about him.

Speaker 3 (01:02:20):
How long did Tim live there? Did I'm assuming you
moved out and he was still in that home, right.

Speaker 4 (01:02:26):
Yeah, when I moved out, he was still living there,
and I believe he still lives there.

Speaker 3 (01:02:31):
What okay, yeah, all right, we need the trifecta tim
time for you to come on into the frame.

Speaker 4 (01:02:38):
But I think and in the time that I have
I have talked to him since when after I moved out,
I don't think that he has anything happening anymore. And
I don't I don't the one time that I had
talked to him about a year ago or so, I

(01:03:01):
asked him if his house was still haunted and he
said no, that he's not had to deal with that
in years. And I don't know if that has to
deal with the masks disappearing or what. But you know,
at some point he stopped having or he said he
stopped having things happen.

Speaker 3 (01:03:24):
Yeah, I mean it's one of two things actually did stop,
or he's just tired of talking about it, which could
be the case.

Speaker 4 (01:03:31):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's he really wouldn't like really
to really discuss really what anything that would happen. Like
aside from like the couple times I do know one
time like he I wasn't there the night, I think

(01:03:52):
I was at work and he texted me and he
was like, hey, man, are you home. I was in
the shower. I heard heard you come in, and I
was like, yeah, dude, I'm at work, Like I'm not home.
He goes, I heard you come in, and then go
to your bedroom and slam the door. I just want
to make sure you were okay, and I'm like, no, man,

(01:04:15):
I'm at work, and like he aside from the little
instances like that, I call them little, but those instances
like he really wouldn't talk about it a whole lot.

Speaker 3 (01:04:29):
See that that would be creepy af right there you're
in the shower. I mean, what are you supposed to do?
It's that classic scene out of Psycho. I mean, you're
pretty vulnerable in the shower. And for him to hear
all that over the shower too, he I mean, it
would have to be like a door slam. So yeah,
what else is he supposed to think except that you've

(01:04:50):
come home and you're in a bad mood and he's
just checking on you and unfortunately wasn't you.

Speaker 4 (01:04:56):
Yeah, even with his dog, like he would know excuse me,
he would notice that his dog would not like to
go downstairs, or if the dog was like in the
living room or the dining area, it would simply just
face the stairs. Like it would face the basement door,

(01:05:18):
and that was always kind of odd. We would joke
and be like, hey, like the dog, you know, something's
down there. But that was really like kind of it
with living there. A lot of the strangeness was just
like like I said, like some things thrown at us
Chris's experience and the talking and pacing like that, when

(01:05:44):
the pacing would happen, it would sound like people were talking. Also,
like we would hear the pacing back and forth and
it would sound like muffled voices, and then that would
go upstairs, nobody's there. Oh okay, back down to doing
what we're doing. And that was about it. Like with
that house and the whole masks thing, I.

Speaker 3 (01:06:06):
Love that so much. Yeah, so two things about that
I'll close out that section is, first of all, whoever
has the masks now, like I said, just create a
fake email address and shoot me a couple of photos,
thank you very much. And secondly, Tim, you're up.

Speaker 4 (01:06:22):
I mean, I would definitely like to hear if Tim
had any stories or things that had happened to him, yeah,
like even by himself, Like I would definitely like to
hear if he had anything happen to him like I
really don't know if he really did, aside from those
couple instances like that was like all he would like

(01:06:45):
really talk about.

Speaker 3 (01:06:47):
Yeah, it'd be amazing to have the trifecta of you,
because now Chris has spoken about it and you have,
and to have Tim on would be absolutely incredible and
a first for the show, that's for sure. I've had,
Like I said, one of my favorites is the Robert episodes.
I've had both sides of that. So very happy to
have this. So thank you for that, Brandon. So all right,

(01:07:08):
now next on the list is around the year what
twenty eleven, You've been on some ghost hunts.

Speaker 4 (01:07:15):
It sounds like, yeah, we so kind of after the
whole experience with Tim's house and then Ghost Adventures, getting
Big Paranormal State, so on, so forth, I moved in
with a couple of friends of mine and they I
don't even know why. It might have been because of

(01:07:37):
like my experience, or it could have been because we
have in Bartonville. We used to have the old State
mid Hospital over there and it was always considered to
be haunted, and we would we decided let's just go
do this, Let's go to haunted places and Illinois and

(01:08:00):
we'll see if we can't record something and do some stuff.
So we would pick out some of the most some
of the most haunted places in our area that were
within at least an hour and a half two hours
drive of us, and we went to a number of places.

(01:08:21):
We went to Old State. Nothing really there, I mean
nothing that we really caught. We kind of went in
that because that whole area there was not just one building,
there was several and a graveyard and they've turned a
lot of the other buildings into almost like an industrial

(01:08:43):
park and some other like warehouse stuff. They actually have
haunted tours there around Halloween now, but when we went
we never like really experienced anything there. Instead, like we
had we went out to We went out to Mantino

(01:09:06):
I believe it is the name of the town outside
of Kankki, and there was at one time another asylum
there and we went there. I forget even how we
found it. I think it was out of a Haunted
Illinois book or whatever. And we went out there and

(01:09:28):
we actually met like another group of people that were
doing the exact same thing we were, so we all
of us and I think it went from being a
group of six of us to being now like a
group of twelve of us. And we so we met

(01:09:52):
up with our new friends and split up and kind
of went to go explore this building and we ended
up we went in all around it. Neither group had
any sort of experience until we all kind of got
together and there was this big opened It was like

(01:10:15):
it was opened up because the building was dilapidated bathroom.
And we were like, all right, so we're getting ready
to go. It's four a m. You know, let you know,
we're gonna do one last thing and we'll see what
we can get. And we all kind of sit in
a circle and we asked, if there's anybody here, make
a noise, like move something, so on and so forth.

(01:10:37):
And we did that once and we had we had
our recorder going, they had their recorder going and nothing.
So we're like, okay, let's we'll try it one more time.
See what happens. And we did it again and right after,

(01:10:58):
like I mean, it was like not even a second,
like half a second, like after we there's anybody here,
can you make yourself known? We get this. We get it,
like a best way to describe itself kind of noise,
like we didn't hear it. We heard it on the recorder,

(01:11:22):
like we just said it and waited there and when
you play it back and then that's when we heard it,
We're like, oh, did do you hear that? That's crazy,
and like we had that experience. And then a couple
weeks later, our group went back out and it was

(01:11:43):
just like as only as five of us that went
and we split up and we went back to the
same place and we went into their basement crawl space area,
which was creepy all on its own, and down there

(01:12:03):
we saw I wish we had a recorder because it'd
have been like not a recorder, but like a video
recording of it. We went down there, We're like, we
have our flashlights. We're walking down the way. This is
a giant H shape and there's tunnels that connect to
the other side of the building like underground and whatnot.

(01:12:24):
And we're down there and like we had to somebody
put a ladder down there. We had to. We tiptoed
down this ladder and as soon as we get down there,
there's a Teddy Bear and a tricycle just down there,
kind of pitch black. Turn your flashlights see that kind

(01:12:47):
of creepy. Well, we continue on to walk and we
come down to one of the tunnels that leads to
the other part of the building, and I call it
a ghost light. I don't know what everybody else decides
to call it, but we were. We looked down there

(01:13:12):
with our flashlight, saw nothing. Pulled the flashlight away, and
still down that tunnel there was like a green It
reminded me of a laser pointer, but like a green
light down there, just down there. We put our flashlight

(01:13:33):
back down there, nothing reflective anything. If it was a camera,
like our flashlight should have reflected its lens. No, it
nothing there. Take the flashlight away. That green dot still
hanging out there. So we're like, okay, that's let's get

(01:13:58):
back upstairs. That's kind of like turntail. What else is
down here? And we get back upstairs and we we
traverse the whole building again and we get to this
big auditorium part and it had been raining, I think
on our way there it had rained, and we ended

(01:14:20):
up hanging out there for a hot second. Now, as
with most abandoned buildings, like there's graffiti everywhere, poles in
the ceiling, so on, so forth. If it rained, it
leaked water all over the floor. Well, we were there

(01:14:43):
in the auditorium and you can clearly kind of see
because of the street lights coming in through the window
where there's big puddles of water, and we're out there
and my my one my one of my co hosts Adam,

(01:15:04):
he was there with us, and he's a skeptic, and
he he's like, all right, i'm here. I didn't get
to go last time. I'm here this time I want
to see a ghost or something. And he just starts
kind of asking if there's anybody here, make yourself known,
if you're if you're really a ghost, do something, and

(01:15:29):
he's just taunting, like he aside. You know how some
people get results via taunting, Like he's just taunting away,
and we stop the taunt and you start to hear,
like we all did. We started to hear what sounded
like somebody walking through puddles, and he was like, okay,

(01:15:53):
stop and that walking would stop. So we're like, okay,
either it's drops from the ceiling or we're really having
an apparition walk towards us. And then he's like, all right,

(01:16:14):
if you're there, come closer, and we start hearing footsteps
into puddles, and there's puddles all over the place, so
even to hear the splosh splash splash, concrete splash. And
then I mean it got close enough up to us

(01:16:34):
that we are kind of hair on the back of
your neck standing up, and he's, okay, like you've proved it,
you're here, and he's I believe that you're here, and
so on and so forth, and then we all because
of how we're all standing, we all of a sudden
just feel this immense drop in temperature like around us.

(01:16:55):
I mean, I don't know how warm it is where
you're at, but right now for us, it's like eighty
six outside and humid. This felt like you walked into
a cooler. Like this blob of cold air like passed

(01:17:21):
through us, and it was like you walked into a cooler.
And after that we were kind of like, okay, like
it's a good time, like nothing else is happening, Like
we're gonna go. Like that was kind of enough for
us to just kind of be like, yeah, it's getting late,

(01:17:41):
let's get out of here. I don't want to feel
the chill again. And we ended up leaving and that
night kind of is stuck out for all of us
as something like strange that had happened, like we can
chalk it up if if it was rain that had
dripped from the ceiling. I mean, it as a pretty

(01:18:03):
consistent drip that we did not hear until we asked
the questions. But the cold chill was kind of enough
for us to be like, yeah, that's that's not comfortable.
And I mean, and a bunch of the other ghosts
hunt that we did, we would go like every week

(01:18:24):
and that that summer, like we would be going somewhere else.
And we went to another location a little a little
north of us, and it was another it was a
tucked away location and we had to walk a mile

(01:18:48):
through the woods to get to this location. And we
got in and we were there and we had experiences
with it what would sound like water running through pipes,
like you could hear it throughout the building we were in,

(01:19:11):
and we were, okay, that's kind of you would think
that there wouldn't be any running water to this building.
So one of us was like, hey, like just openly
talking like hey, if you're doing that, shut off the
water and the sound of running water through pipes just stop.

(01:19:35):
Like abrupt, and I was like, okay, that's turn it
back on, and it would start again, and we did
that back and forth for a little bit and we're like, okay,
that's that's some strange evidence. Like with how with where
we're at. We're at this abandoned location, to have that

(01:20:00):
was kind of kind of fun, kind of eerie. We
went to a bunch of the known haunted graveyards try
to see if there's anything out there. And I mean
with doing it, like how we were doing it like
we were young, trying to figure out like well, what's
the best way to kind of do this is? We
just want to try to record everything so on and hindsight,

(01:20:25):
it had been great if we had recorders with us
and we had the cell phones that we have today
to record video, but didn't really have any of the
experiences aside from those couple while we were out ghost
hunting having our own ghost adventures. We've talked about doing

(01:20:46):
it again, but some of the locations that we would
like to go to they have either been repurposed or
they have been tore down, so that kind of put
a damper on it. But we've had some strange experiences
from that and we're just doing it in good fun.
We weren't trying to like make a YouTube channel or anything.

(01:21:07):
We were just bored. Let's go do something ridiculous. Oh well,
the stor we're gonna go do.

Speaker 3 (01:21:14):
It's always nice when you have interactive activity. I mean,
not that the residual stuff isn't cool too, but it's
neat to be able to speak a command or a
suggestion to the ether whatever's going on, and it actually responds.
That's pretty cool.

Speaker 4 (01:21:29):
And that's kind of more of what we had happened.
I mean, even if it was just like residual like that,
we just had those kind of like strange, really kind
of unexplainable interactions and the biggest one commanding and then
having a reaction.

Speaker 3 (01:21:50):
Absolutely, that's very cool. I need more of that in
my life. I feel stagnant myself. I mean it's been
years for me, so I get that and being bored.
Have something happened.

Speaker 4 (01:22:00):
Pleat the last time that we went out and did
anything like that, I mean that was well over ten
years ago. It's been a hot minute, and we're we
were younger back then, so we didn't really think about
the consequence then as if we were doing it now,
or maybe we should go about the proper channels to

(01:22:22):
do it instead of how we were doing it.

Speaker 3 (01:22:25):
It's more funn the other way, as long as you
don't do anything completely illegal. It's more fun that way
when we were younger, the younger days, Brandon. But okay, So, last,
but not least, you had a little something something happened
while you were watching the movie Paul.

Speaker 4 (01:22:41):
Oh, yes, so, which is initially why I emailed you. So. So,
I've always been kind of fascinated with the science fiction
and the paranormal kind of thing, and I honestly don't
really wish really any sort of weird interaction upon anybody.

(01:23:04):
Like it's fun to see it and watch it, but
then to like actually have it, it changes you, like
in sometimes like the worst way, or it just makes
you kind of know that some things are not as
they seem. But one night is back in like twenty

(01:23:26):
twelve or twenty thirteen, I was living a buddy of
mine's house and I would work second shift, so I'd
get off at eleven, and then I'm not gonna go
straight to bed, so I end up staying up. And
this one night, it was like a summer night and
I was in our basement and the way that the

(01:23:47):
basement was set up was like you come down the stairs,
it's an open floor basement with a patio and whatnot,
and then there's a laundry room in the lawn room
was its own separate room in the basement, and then
there was like a back bedroom that was also kind

(01:24:07):
of open. You would just walk in this hall and
that's where the bedroom was. Well, I was in the
living room and we had multiple couches. We had one big, long,
corner couch and then we had two smaller couches and
we'd have a land party set up down there, multiple TVs,

(01:24:29):
gaming systems, everything's kind of connected. So that way then
we could just run a land party if we wanted to. Well,
I was on the corner couch and next to me
there was a wall heater. It's like when you come
down the stairs wall, you see the wall heater, you
see the corner couch, see the TV. So on. Well,

(01:24:52):
I was down there by myself, just just got off
of work, just kind of hanging out and I'm I
was leaned up on the couch and I'm watching I
was watching TV. It's watching the movie Paul and this
we're watching it or I am. I have the lights off,

(01:25:15):
I have the heater on, so getting super cold in
the basement, so I have the glow of the wall
heater and then the TV and I'm watching the movie
and it gets to this part. It's one of the
many parts where Paul the alien is it stops, like

(01:25:36):
the TV itself stops on his face and the I
thought initially, like at first that I sat on the remote,
like I moved and I paused the TV on accident,
and I go to move and I can't. I'm just

(01:25:57):
immediately I'm like, I'm not asleep, like I'm having about
of sleep paralysis and I'm not asleep. I was clearly
watching the movie. And it kind of shakes me for
a moment because I'm now like back in that I
haven't had this in a while and it's happening right now.

(01:26:18):
This is not anything that I was expecting. And something
in the laundry room like catches my periphery and so
I can't move, but like I can move my eyes
and the way I'm sitting, I'm leaned, leaned up with

(01:26:38):
my arm on the arm rest, and so like my
eyes like go directly to looking in from the TV
to the laundry room, and I see this shape, this
form like in the laundry room, and it do you

(01:27:02):
know what vanta black? Do you know what that is?

Speaker 5 (01:27:05):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:27:05):
I do. It's about the blackest black color that has
ever been created.

Speaker 4 (01:27:10):
Yes. So there's no lights on in this basement, like
the there's no lights on in the laundry room. The
launder room has a window to the outside, and the
launder room has curtains, so the curtains are blocking that window.
And I can make out in this laundry room this form,

(01:27:36):
and it is blacker than the darkness in the room.
It stands out versus the darkness. And this form, I
kind of say, it like SLINKs up to me, slithers
kind of up to me, but it makes this like

(01:27:59):
it felt like it took forever, but I'm sure it didn't,
but it like approaches me, and it to me felt
like it just slinked its way to me. And it
comes out of the laundry room and towards me as
I'm sitting there. And so now I'm just like I'm

(01:28:23):
freaking out internally because I can't move. This thing is
like coming at me, and I'm just kind of like
thinking to myself, aside from what is this, I feel
like I'm gonna die. I don't know how to put it.
Like it's like I'm gonna be taken out by whatever.
This is, like this thing that came in here, this specter, whatever,

(01:28:48):
and it like it utterly terrifies me. And then for
some reason I could make out that it like reaches
out for me, like it reaches out towards me, and
it puts its hand on my forearm, and the best

(01:29:09):
way that I can kind of describe it is like
it caresses my arm, like a very light touch of
a caress of my arm, and it I mean, I'm
just kind of like freaking out that this thing reached

(01:29:32):
out and touched me. But as soon as it touched me,
it was this like blotchy, cold kind of feeling. But
in my head I heard or felt this thing just

(01:29:54):
kind of say everything's gonna be okay. And then after
that happened, and it only happened when it touched me,
Like when it touched me, that's when I like heard
that in my head. And then when I say it's
like a caress, like after it touched that it's it

(01:30:15):
like removed its hand from my arm and it slinked
back away into the laundry room. And as soon as
it went back into the laundry room into the shadows,
the TV came back on just like that, and I

(01:30:37):
jumped because it went back to I think Paul laughing
or something, and like it, I jumped startled and I
was like visibly like freaking out, and I'm like, what
the frick was that? Like like got up, turned on
the lights. I was, Oh, I was, I was in panic,

(01:31:02):
and I mean I went as far as to go outside.
Was that a person that came in here or what?
Like I turn all the lights and nothing was there.
I ended up. I don't even know if I slept
that night after that happened, but like that, like that

(01:31:23):
really shook me, like to my core of just I
just witnessed something that I like, aside from everything else,
like that alone made me if I had any skepticism
over apparitions or anything, I wasn't like after that, like

(01:31:46):
whatever that was, that shadow being was like it's real,
Like I felt it touch me. There's no if ands
Like I know for a fact it touched me. And
when it touched me. I just I heard it say

(01:32:07):
everything was going to be all right. And after that,
like things the stranger, the things went from there. After
that experience, like I would have dreams about of it,
and when I would dream about it, it wasn't anything
that like I noticed right away, but like when I'd

(01:32:29):
have dreams about it, I would have dreams of it
like looking at me, like when it came towards me,
and when it did it it's like eyes were like this,
like I knew where its eyes were now and it
had these like purply kind of like eyes and like

(01:32:51):
I know that I when I even when I think
about it, like I can't like when I think about it,
like I don't remember it having eyes, but like when
I would dream about it, like I knew where its
face was, if that makes sense. But yeah, it was

(01:33:12):
like that happened, and then like progressively things afterwards that
would happen. I always kind of knew were associated with it.

Speaker 5 (01:33:28):
And.

Speaker 4 (01:33:30):
Like it I don't know, like I felt like for
a long time there it was just attached to me.

Speaker 3 (01:33:38):
Well what other kinds of things were going on besides
the dreams about it?

Speaker 4 (01:33:43):
So I would have the dreams about it. But then
there's a couple of years would go by. I'd have
the dreams, but I wouldn't really have anything happen. And
then one night I with my girlfriend at the time.
We were watching a movie and she's like, hey, like

(01:34:03):
I need to go to the bathroom. I was like,
do you want me to pause it? And she said no,
I would just let it play. I'm sitting there and
she runs upstairs and I'm sitting there watching the movie
and I hear her come back down the stairs and
she walks like next to the couch and the way

(01:34:25):
the room was set up, it's like couch TV and
then it's like open space, stuff, table, junk, whatever. And
she walks past me and heads down towards the junk
and the tables in the room, and then ducks behind
a foosball table and I'm like, hey, I know you're

(01:34:49):
over there. What are you doing? And I because of
the house, Like she responds to me from ups and
she's I'm still in the bathroom. Who are you talking to?
And I'm like, oh, okay, that's okay, Like you're you

(01:35:12):
didn't just come to She's now, I'm still upstairs and
then she comes downstairs, and she said, what happened? And
I'm like, I just watched you walk past me and
go over to the other side of the room. That
was kind of like unexplainable. And then like a couple

(01:35:32):
like maybe a month or so after that, I had
this vivid dream and it was I had a dream
of the shadow again. But and then the shadow took
me to like in the dream, the shadow took me
to this open area. To me, it reminds me of

(01:35:55):
a white room, and the shadow became me. It wore
like my face and like me, like consciously, subconsciously, like
I knew I was like having a sleep paralysis again
and and it like I'm there facing it while it's

(01:36:21):
wearing my face. And I looked at it and I said,
you you can't wear my face. You're not me, like
where you can never be me, And it smiled at
me and says, you and I are in this together forever.

(01:36:46):
And then I woke up and I'm trying to wrap
my head around that and whatnot. And I didn't know
what to make of it. That was like it went
from it touching me to then it watching my face,

(01:37:06):
wearing my face. I apologize wearing my face and then
having somewhat of a conversation with me, and then some
time went by where I didn't really have anything happened
after that. I would always feel like I had sometimes

(01:37:33):
a presence in my car, like in the back seat
with me, which is not a very pleasant experience, but
I'd always feel like there was something sitting back there
with me or back behind me. And then I ended
up having this experience in my house where I was

(01:37:57):
like I always felt that there was something that would
be lurking, like in a room, like in the house itself,
that there's always something lurking in that room, to the
point where it's like eventually it just kind of left
that door shut and I wouldn't go in there. And

(01:38:23):
one night a couple of years ago, I was on
the couch and I'm sitting there and that my dog
is with me and he's laying by me, and we're
watching TV, and all of a sudden, this shadow pops

(01:38:44):
like walks out of the hallway into the living room,
like I visibly see it do that, and I immediately go,
I'm like, I caught you, I finally seen you again,
and it just got just blink and I just gone,
dog didn't respond to anything, nothing like it was like standing,

(01:39:09):
like the shadow was standing in my living room, like
it walked and there like he was there, and then
all of a sudden, it was gone as soon as
I caught it. It was like mid stride, like I
was like, I caught you, and it was just kind
of gone, just blink and I gone, and it was
I mean, it was like after that kind of experience,

(01:39:32):
nothing like after that, it just kind of buzzed off,
stopped his or its dealings and after that, like my
girlfriend at the time or girlfriend now, she I told
her about what I had happened, like with the shadow.

(01:39:55):
And I told her about that, and she was like,
she was like, it's quite a story. That's kind of crazy.
She's well, I believe I have a guardian angel. And
I'm like, oh really, and she's like, yeah, she should
tell me that little story. And I'm like, oh, that's
just kind of neat. And We're out somewhere and there's
a lot of people and I feel this like hand well,

(01:40:22):
like somebody grabs like your shoulder, you're you're clapical and
lower your shoulder, they put your hand on them on it.
I felt that happen and I turned cause I thought
somebody was like trying to get my attention. There's nobody there,
and she caught note of that, and she asked me,
and she's everything okay, and I'm like, no, I just

(01:40:42):
felt like somebody like wanted my attention and there's nobody there.
And she's just kind of like, yeah, oh okay, so
that's weird. And I'm like why she's well, she goes,
that could have been my guardian angel like looking out
for you, And I was like, what do you mean.
She's well, I've I have felt that myself, and I

(01:41:05):
was like, I thought. I was like, that's kinda that's
kind of crazy. And ever since then, so far, I've
not had anything happen. Like, ever since then, I've not
I've not had any more shadow experiences or anything.

Speaker 3 (01:41:25):
It's interesting that the initial touch of the what we're
assuming is not maybe such a pleasant thing. We're assuming
it's not, but he had to or it always say
he it had to touch you to kind of activate
this whole thing, get it going. And then essentially what
we're assuming is a guardian angel had to touch you
to deactivate it in a way.

Speaker 4 (01:41:47):
Yeah, it was super strange because I've always thought that,
like in the Shadow, right, I always thought that maybe
either it was from living with Tim, or it was
something that like I picked up going out to these
haunted places and that it just stayed and it would

(01:42:10):
periodically go, hey, I'm still here, enjoy and then and
then that happened like hurt like the Guardian Angel whatnot,
like touching me, and thus far or not had anything

(01:42:32):
happen in about two years now, it's been a little
over two years.

Speaker 3 (01:42:39):
I mean, do you feel like in dark things can lie?
Let's just put that out there. Do you think it
was either just because we go off of what it
said to you that oh, everything's gonna be okay now,
do you think it was either just full of crap
and it was just a line that these tricksters like
to use, or do you feel like there was something
going on at that time that it was for a

(01:43:01):
purpose of some kind of a purpose at all.

Speaker 4 (01:43:04):
So I definitely think it was malicious, like just with
the way that's like previous having sleep paralysis with that,
like having that experience and then the haunted house with
Tim and then you know, going on ghost adventures and

(01:43:28):
then did it manifesting again. Essentially it was all together. Yeah,
I definitely felt it was malicious, and especially with seeing
it in my house with lights on, like with me
and the dog, I definitely think it was trying to

(01:43:51):
become more active again and me catching it was I
think I took it by surprise with that without it
just kind of blinked out like immediately. But I definitely
think it was malicious with it's saying firstly, everything's gonna

(01:44:11):
be okay, and then in another sleep prolysis session dream
saying oh yeah, well you can never get rid of me.

Speaker 3 (01:44:22):
Oh yeah, it's definitely not good.

Speaker 5 (01:44:25):
No, I just.

Speaker 3 (01:44:27):
It does make you wonder about the true intentions beyond
the fact that they are timeless and they can be
formless and they can maybe take whatever shape that they want.

Speaker 4 (01:44:36):
Well, it reminded me of I watched I listened to
a Whitley streamer interview and he discussed shadow beings kind
of doing the exact same thing to him, and it
really listening to that, it really brought it all back
to me, like that feeling of being terrified, like it

(01:45:00):
slinking its way to me, and just that like communication.
It definitely I don't know what to make of it,
and I don't. I really don't know what it was.
Like I can say all day that it was a
shadow being, but at the same time, it's I don't

(01:45:22):
really know what it was. That's just what it looked
like at the time.

Speaker 3 (01:45:26):
Oh yeah. If anyone gets in contact with you and
tells you they know what it is, you ignore them.
You run.

Speaker 4 (01:45:31):
Yeah. Yeah, Because even in my dream, it went from
the shadow to me like it, like I watched it,
dreamed it, whatever it took on my face. So like
that alone and then having that malicious intent like that

(01:45:53):
kind of solidified to me that those things were one
and the same and that it it definitely tried to
have some sort of hold on me or whatnot.

Speaker 3 (01:46:08):
Well, Brandon, I cannot begin to thank you, first of all,
for your immense patience with me to come on and
finally share with me and with the audience, And I
thank you so much for that. And I wanted to
say though, before I let you go, I feel like
we would be remiss, and you don't have to, of course,
but I feel like, in case you guys pick your

(01:46:29):
podcast back up again, I feel like we would be
remiss if we didn't mention it or the name of it,
and people could listen to the first portion of that.
You guys first start to that and in case it
comes back.

Speaker 4 (01:46:41):
Up or no, yeah, I can give that out. So
we're just a little podcast like eighteen listeners. Like maybe
you can find us. You can still find us. We're
all streaming platforms and we have a Facebook page. It

(01:47:02):
is fringe Worthy, So f R I N G E
W O R t h Y. It's all one word
and it has a hashtag before the F but you
should be able to type in just fringe worthy and

(01:47:25):
we should pop up. If anything, you might have to
type in the hashtag. But yeah, we have. We had
thirty episodes and I mean we're the episodes are what
they are. Some of the audio is not the best,
but we were learning as we went and it's it

(01:47:45):
was three guys just having fun, just pretty much unedited, uncensored,
just whatever. But a lot of the topics that we
covered were it was very much like your show. It
was paranormal. Yeah, you had ancient civilizations, some theories with that,

(01:48:10):
like the Younger Driest hypothesis, like ghosts, aliens, Bigfoot, just
some stuff like strange stuff in general, we had a
at the time because it was like twenty twenty one
or twenty twenties COVID time we had a COVID episode. So,

(01:48:32):
I mean we just kind of just three guys just
really just kind of being loud mouths and just kind
of ridiculous. And they're actually the only other place where
I've actually given my story also, so Shannon, you are
the first podcast, aside from fringe Worthy, that I've actually

(01:48:54):
reached out to for any of my paranormal happening that's happened.

Speaker 3 (01:49:01):
Well, I am flattered for that. Thank you so much, Brandon.
And might I say that I think that's a great
name for a paranormal style podcast as friends Worthy. Absolutely
love that. But yeah, I thank you so much, Brandon.
I'm so sorry it took five years. I am. That
is awful. So just anyone out there there you go.
That's how Shannon rolls obviously sometimes. So get back in

(01:49:25):
touch like Brandon did, and I can make this happen.

Speaker 4 (01:49:30):
Yeah, I had a lot, like I had a bunch
of other things happen after I emailed you, So it's
that time just grew like all.

Speaker 3 (01:49:37):
Right, well, I mean I appreciate you trying to make
me feel better than because then you're like, well, then
now I have more stories, which you did, but.

Speaker 4 (01:49:43):
I thank you a couple more stories do that. And
if it wasn't for Chris, like I wouldn't have even
thought to bring up the masks, to be honest, like
I hadn't thought about it in years, and then he
reached out to me, and so I was able to
actually give that story and I wouldn't have done that,
like I well, I emailed you back in twenty twenty.

(01:50:04):
He reached out to me in twenty twenty one, like
I wouldn't have even been able to bring that up
if it wasn't for him.

Speaker 3 (01:50:12):
That is true, because you said that was I mean
recently comparatively speaking to when you first emailed me. So
that worked out actually really well because I don't have
a lot of corroborative interviews for things. So that is amazing.
And I will say that I'm going to close this
episode with hashtag tim You're up.

Speaker 2 (01:50:34):
Well, I'm so, and so I.

Speaker 4 (01:50:35):
Was given this name by my parents my business.

Speaker 2 (01:50:37):
I was out of college and I've done these things
as my profession, my producing in the block.

Speaker 4 (01:50:42):
But it says forget it.

Speaker 2 (01:50:47):
That's someone first story and that's all gone, that's all possible.

Speaker 1 (01:50:50):
And I want to see the amelia.

Speaker 2 (01:50:52):
When nobody knows where that is.

Speaker 4 (01:50:56):
Because we don't know except for listening to Arecas and
consulting our memoris.

Speaker 2 (01:51:06):
But then that's a really and then again leads us
BacT of this question.

Speaker 1 (01:51:11):
Who are you?

Speaker 4 (01:51:13):
That is the meaning.

Speaker 2 (01:51:16):
We shall see how they play.

Speaker 4 (01:51:17):
With the success or buy the cots to get.

Speaker 2 (01:51:21):
You to come out of your show and find out.

Speaker 6 (01:51:25):
Be very hard, its stay, it's.

Speaker 5 (01:52:19):
Puss puss, puss, puss puss.

Speaker 2 (01:53:16):
Find The people, for example, are quite divided on us.
They will say, no, we don't believe literally in reincarnation
that after your funeral grow you will sadly become sadly
different living somewhere else. They will say, reincarnation means this
that if you sitting here now are really convinced that

(01:53:39):
you're the same person funding at the door half an
hour ago, you'll be reincarnated if you are liberate remans
now that you're gone. The past hasn't been at.

Speaker 5 (01:53:52):
The future hasn't existence.

Speaker 2 (01:53:54):
There is only the present. That's the only amenia there
is the zen master it was string does not.

Speaker 1 (01:54:04):
Become so.

Speaker 2 (01:54:07):
Because there is something every.

Speaker 5 (01:54:09):
Springs, it's puss puss PUSSSSSSSSSS.

Speaker 2 (01:56:02):
Has the same idea in point four Days, where he says,
when you settle down in the train to read your
newspaper and so you are not the same person.

Speaker 4 (01:56:13):
A while ago and living the plan.

Speaker 2 (01:56:16):
If you think you are, you are linking your moments
happen and change. And this is what binds the wheel
of poland when you know that every moment which you
are is the only moment. This cons in des The
Master will say to somebody, I can have a walk
across the room and it can be back, And he says,

(01:56:38):
where are your foot?

Speaker 5 (01:56:42):
They've gone?

Speaker 2 (01:56:44):
So where are you? Who are you? When we are
asked who we are, usually give a kind of recipation
of an instrums insens

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