iNTO THE FRAY 509: City of Angels

Ken shares experiences that began in childhood. These range from objects moving, to premonitions, the doppelganger of a dear friend, and even living in Carole Lombard's former home.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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chance or design, man has inherited out of the dark
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(02:16):
welcome Ken on with me, and he sent me a
lovely bullet point list, which I love and I have
it printed out in front of me right now. Ken,
Thank you so much. But I wanted you to start
out by telling everyone the kind of strange thing that
happened when you were composing the very email I have
in my.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
Hand that already that was weird.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
Yeah, unless we should save that for when that's supposed
to come in, But it's up to you.

Speaker 3 (02:44):
I thought we should wait and tell. But the weirdness,
let's get it out of the way. It was so weird.
And I was actually I was writing a bullet point
list of stuff I wanted to proposed to you to
talk about, and I was actually re listening to show

(03:05):
five oh three, and right as I was typing one
of the weird things that happened to me. It involves
Carol Lombard, and I lived in one of the houses
she used to own in Silver Lake a long time ago,
and at the moment you were talking with your guest

(03:27):
about her death, and you neither one of you could
remember her name, and I went, Oh, my gosh, that's
the name I'm typing right now, Carol Lombard.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
That is so wild. I read that. I was like, wow, yeah,
because of course, as you probably guessed, I remember the
moment that we got off of the phone. That happened
right here in Vegas essentially, so I'm like, how in
the world could I not recall Carol Lombard? But yeah,
neither one of us could, and you were actually typing
it at that very time, So pretty good. All right,

(04:01):
So we will get there. But wherever you wanted to start,
I have the list in front of me. If you
need to give any background about family, that's up to you.
If you think it's pertinent, it's the usual mo with me.
So wherever you wanted to start, canon and thank you
for coming on, by the way, welcome.

Speaker 3 (04:18):
I think I'll begin at the beginning my first paranormal experience.
I've had all kinds of things, so we're going to
go over a range of topics. But my first experience
was when I was seven years old. It was not
long after Christmas, and I had just gotten for Christmas

(04:38):
a puppet stage made of cardboard, and it was fun
and I could do little puppet shows for my sister basically,
and I also got a stocking stuffer of the plastic
barrel of monkeys where you try and link them together
the game where you take one monkey out of the
barrel and try and link it with another monkey, and

(05:01):
then another monkey, and you try and build a whole
chain of them without touching the monkeys. I had them
draped across the front of the whole chain. I had
just hung them over the cardboard puppet stage. And I
was home from school one day and because I had

(05:22):
the flu, and I remember getting out of bed, I
wanted to get a coloring book, and I walked over
to my desk and behind me was where the puppet
stage was and the barrel of monkeys, and I was
reaching for a color book coloring book, and suddenly this

(05:42):
jolt of energy, like a finger or something just ran
right up my spine towards my neck, and I jumped around.
I thought somebody was there, and it's like the first
thing I looked at was the barrel of monkeys for
some reason, and they rose up off of the cardboard

(06:04):
puppet stage and flew to the middle of the room,
hovered there for a moment and then just dropped, and
I was completely surprised, and I think I ran over there.
I thought, oh, maybe it was a ghost, because my
mom let me watch ghost movies, so I knew what
ghosts were, and I went I picked up some of

(06:26):
the monkeys, and I went, do it again, do it again,
and nothing happened. My mom was in the living room
watching TV, and I went out to tell her what happened,
and she and my father later that night got really
angry at me and told me stop making stuff up

(06:46):
like that, that stuff doesn't happen real in real life,
and that I'm still when I think about this, I'm
still surprised at how angry they were. But stuff would
still keep happening, Like once in a while, I would
find I'd come into my bedroom and find the light

(07:07):
was already on and nobody had been in that part
of the house. It was just me, and it was
a small house, but I know nobody was back there.
So as I started getting older, I started having or

(07:27):
seeing things that were about to happen. I would see
it was almost like as a kid. It would be
like a silver screen would pop in front of my
eyes and I'd flash and see an image of something
that was just about to happen, and most of it
was not important. It was just random stuff like people

(07:50):
coming over or mom coming out of the grocery store stuff.
It was innocuous stuff. And then I started getting the
ability to sense things about people as I got older,

(08:13):
and especially when I got into my late teens, and
I would start giving readings about what was going to
happen in their live life in the next couple of days,
and I started getting a bit of a reputation. I

(08:35):
eventually went after college, I moved to Los Angeles and
met someone, a guy, and he worked in the entertainment industry,
and I would go to all these Hollywood parties and
it was really weird. People knew who I was, and
they knew to ask what do you see? And some

(08:59):
of them would come back and get really freaked out,
or they would call me in the next couple of days.
And I'm not going to be specific about it because
it some of them are famous, right. Yeah, But at
one point my partner said, you need to stop. You're

(09:19):
scaring people. They don't want you to come to the
parties anymore.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
That was not fun, that's wow. So it got that
bad to where you were uninvited.

Speaker 3 (09:32):
Yeah, yeah, and if it.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
Goes too far to say, but what were you predicting
debts or was it just little things or maybe stuff
in the middle of those.

Speaker 3 (09:45):
Two A lot of them were infidelities. I could look
at a person and figure out or your partner's cheating
on you. You're and I hated it. I would get
a call two or three days later and yeah, you
were right, And it was I still got invited to

(10:07):
parties as long as I behaved to say that.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
So even if someone would come up to you, you
would go, Nope, not going there.

Speaker 3 (10:17):
Yeah, no, I'm going I'm just here to have a
good time.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
Yeah. Oh my goodness, Yeah, I could see where you're going.
You guys asked me to do this.

Speaker 3 (10:29):
And it just turned bad. So I guess. The next
thing that I started to realize was I had a
roommate for a while and we became good buds, and
he moved away, and he started sending me photographs because

(10:49):
he knew I had an ability, and he would ask
me just to randomly read what I get off of
the photograph. And there was one particular one that was
really and I remember it. I still get chills thinking
about it, good chills. He sent me this picture of
a woman and I had no idea who she was.
I'd never seen her and I when I saw the picture,

(11:13):
he emailed it to me. So the moment I saw it,
I went, oh, that's your mom, and he went, yeah,
I've never shown you my mom. You didn't know what
she looked like. So I told him, in about two days,

(11:34):
she's going to lose her job and it's going to
be seem bleak for about an hour or two, but
she's going to get hired at a much better job
within it the next day, and I see it's going
to be so good that she's going to buy a
red expensive sports sporty car sports car and my got

(11:59):
A week later, he called me back and went, that's
exactly what happened. She bought a sports car, and she
got a huge pay raise on the new job, and
it was fun. And he kept sending me pictures over time,
but I lost interest in it because I still felt

(12:21):
like they're without person's permission. I don't like doing that,
and I've stopped doing that. I still get impressions off
of people, but I don't repeat them, or I don't
say them out loud.

Speaker 2 (12:35):
Can could you see things pertaining to your own life?

Speaker 3 (12:39):
No? I couldn't. Maybe occasional glimpses, but nothing's particular. Particularly
if I knew the person, know a person really well,
I can't pick up on stuff. It's easier if I
don't know the person very well. Like my friend who
sent me a picture of his mom. I didn't know
his mom. I didn't even know her name, and so

(13:02):
when I saw that picture, all these images started coming
into my head.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
And yeah, so what do you think since you're the
one that has this gift, there's some kind of not poisoning,
but it's a muddying of the water somehow if the
closer you are to the situation or the person.

Speaker 3 (13:22):
Yeah, I think that That's been my theory all along
is Yeah, it just gets too complicated the closer you
are to someone.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
You think that's a protective measure, either subconsciously for you
or just something built into the gift itself.

Speaker 3 (13:40):
I think it's built in. Yeah, it's not impossible to read,
but it's really hard. And I used to do tarot reading,
tarot card readings, and I could never do it for
somebody I knew it's always it always had to be
somebody I didn't know, because think about it, it's if

(14:04):
you know the person, you can guess already what's going
to happen in their life. You got to already a
head start on the readings, and that's unfair. But if
you don't know the person at all, that's much more interesting.
I think.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
Yeah, I agree with that. This whole thing is fascinating
to me. That is truly a gift. Obviously it didn't
always go the way that you had planned it to
with people's reactions. Do you think that jolt that you
felt at seven was you receiving this gift or at
activating somehow?

Speaker 3 (14:41):
I As I got older, my parents left me alone
as far as religion. I got to study whatever I wanted,
and I got interested in the paranormal. I thought it
might be the best description I could find in paranormal literature.
Was it was Kundalini being real least just and it could.

(15:02):
It happens sometimes spontaneously for kids, And it did feel
like a finger or a jolt going up my spine. Yeah,
I don't know. I don't think it was me. It
was the start. Maybe it was. I've never considered that

(15:24):
good question.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
I would imagine that, and seven is very young for
and before that, it can be some spotty memories for
certain things, so you may have always had it and
just don't recall.

Speaker 3 (15:38):
So I had a very good memory. My mom didn't
believe me. And when I was I remember going for
a shot from the doctor at six years old or
six months old? Excuse me? And my mom went, no,

(15:58):
you can't remember that, and I said, we got it.
We both my sister and I got it in our
rears because we were twins. I had a twin sister.
And my mom said, yeah, but what else? And I said,
I remember you put me in my high chair and
there was this particular purplish lavender blanket that you folded

(16:21):
and set me on top of. And my mom her
jaw drop, She went, you do remember it at six
months old? That's pretty incredible. That's weird.

Speaker 2 (16:34):
Your parents' obvious overreaction to when you brought that up
to them, have you and if this is coming up later,
then let's not spoil it. But did you ever figure
out why they may have reacted the way that they did?
And then that obviously shut down you sharing anything else

(16:55):
with your parents.

Speaker 3 (16:57):
The next time they yelled at me about something paranormal
was when I saw my first two fo and that's
later on in the story. Okay, there was never To
this day, it makes no sense. I have no idea
why they got so angry, and it was like I

(17:19):
learned very early not to share with them what was
going on.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
It sounds like you just scared the absolute crap out
of them, to the point where it sounds like they
almost have had some experiences in the home or maybe
with you that were then confirmed out of your own
mouth at seven.

Speaker 3 (17:41):
Huh, I never considered that, I don't know, that's weird.
That would be weird, and it would be not fun
that they didn't. It's not very helpful that they didn't
discuss it with me.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
Yeah, it's not. And that because that just seem like
a gross overreaction to what you told them. Yeah, especially
a seven, because it would be easier just to go, oh,
that's oh, you're so cute, you have such an imagination,
and then you just walk away because you don't want
to make it into a big thing. That's the whole
point of it is that you wanted to shut it down.

(18:18):
But for both of them to yell at you about it.
It seems that sounds like there's maybe something else going
on there.

Speaker 3 (18:23):
Oh yeah, huh.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
I could be of course. Yeah. Oh, I'm just saying
I could be way off. It's just where my brain
is going with their reaction to that. And yeah, it
would have been nice to have them as outlets for
what was going on with you.

Speaker 3 (18:43):
It would have been great. And your instinct is a
good one, I think, But I don't think. I don't
know what was going on with my parents and never
figured it out. I don't know anyway. Moving on, as
a teenager, we'd lived on the Oregon Coast. We moved

(19:05):
there when my sister and I were nine, and we
lived in a place called Lincoln City. And I got
a job in a town just five minutes away called
deep Obay at a restaurant and the restaurant was haunted,
and everybody in on the staff called the Ghost Ralph.

(19:30):
And it started one morning when there was a regular
customer who would come in every single morning and order
a cup of coffee, sit and chat with the waitress.
And one day he came in through the door and
sat down and ordered coffee, and she turned around to
get to the pot and he was gone, and it

(19:52):
was his name was Ralph. So stuff harded started happening,
like dishes flying across the room. I saw it many times,
just stuff leaping off the counters and slamming on the
floor against walls. People would get pinched or shoved. He

(20:12):
was being just silly. It wasn't harmful stuff, but he
was just trying to surprise and get people's attention. Doors
would open and close by themselves, and then there was
an upstairs section of the restaurant that was for the evenings,
and it was a nicer part of the bar, and

(20:34):
there was always a bartender there. And every night he
said it was really hard to clean up because I
put all the dishes away, all the glasses and go
back to lock up, and he'd come back out to
the bar and there'd be a glass sitting on the
table on the bar, and he'd often hear footsteps at night,

(20:57):
and he said it didn't bother him. It was just weird.
So that was the first time I ever experienced anything ghostly.
And as you probably know from the bullet points, it
gets a lot more to it than that. I think
I'll jump to the pioneer cemetery. I went to the
University of Oregon in the fall of eighty two, nineteen

(21:23):
eighty two. I have to tell this before. In high
school the previous spring, I was in drama class and
we produced a production of Macbeth and took it to
State in one first place, and that was so exciting,
and I got to play McDuff, the guy who chopped
off Macbeth's head at.

Speaker 2 (21:43):
The end, which was fun absolutely.

Speaker 3 (21:48):
And then in the summer I did a musical Brigadoon,
which if people don't know, is about a mystical Scottish
town that disappears for one hundred years and only reappears
one for one day, and so the people in the

(22:09):
town only aged one day, so every one hundred years
they wake up and have a party and then go
back to sleep. And I played the villain in the musical.
Harry Beaton was a character, and I remember I did

(22:29):
a lot of training vocally, so I had a pretty
darn good Scottish accent. And there was actually a couple
from Scotland who came to the opening night and they
came up to talk to me, and I was talking
to my white bread English accent and they were like, what,

(22:52):
You're not Scottish. No, I'm not, and they were surprised
it was. It turns out when my mother got really ill,
we had to pull her birth certificate and there was
a name scratched or was obviously erased from a pencil.
And it turns out we knew who that person was

(23:14):
and he was Scottish, So my mother was part Scottish
and we thought it was always Irish, but somebody else's
name got put in the place of that name on
the father's side of the birth certificate. Really incredible. We
know who he was and he was really wealthy and yikes.

Speaker 2 (23:39):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (23:41):
Anyway, so going to the University of Oregon, I got
a job on the south side of the campus, at
the edge of it. But the shortcut to get there
was through the Pioneer Cemetery, which is a really beautiful
cemetery established in eighteen seventy two. There is actually in there.

(24:09):
It's a lot of military people laid the rest and
there's a section there for Scottish soldiers and every year
they have a ceremony. But so I would walk through
the cemetery because it was a shortcut, and it was

(24:30):
early morning, about eight thirty eight o'clock and one day
it was foggy and I thought, this looks enchanting because
they have all these huge Douglas Firs in the cemetery,
and the cemetery was really well taken care of, beautiful.

(24:51):
And suddenly I heard bagpipe music at eight thirty in
the morning, and I went, that's maybe somebody's were practicing
or something. Then suddenly this man dressed in full black
Scottish regalia stepped out. He was playing a bagpipe, and

(25:15):
he had a big, full beard. It was gray but
really striking, and he had very intense eyes. They were kind,
but they were looking. He was looking right at me,
and he was only like five feet away from me,
and he was playing, and I blinked, and suddenly he vanished.

(25:41):
And I don't know if you know about bagpipes, but
there's no way you can get it to just suddenly stop.
It takes a while to let all the air out
of it. And he just vanished and the music stopped instantly,
and he was standing right in front of me, and
I went, oh, that was a ghost. I did not

(26:06):
know about a ghost in the cemetery, and I was shocked.
I wasn't scared. That was the one thing, and that
was the first time I've actually seen a ghost. He
was completely solid, just like you were me, and he
looked vibrant, and he looked intelligently at me. It wasn't

(26:27):
a repeating ghost who plays a tape over and over again.
This was obviously a real human being who was not
on this earth quite anymore. So afterwards I found out
that there are two ghosts in that cemetery. The other

(26:49):
one I've never seen. Apparently it's a lady dressed in white,
and she floats three feet off the ground, and she
just appears to be just checking and making sure nothing's
funny going on in the cemetery.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
I love reports of lady in white. There's a lot
of those in all kinds of places. But I think
that you got the better end of those two, because
I think that seeing one floating off the ground may
have been quite jarring.

Speaker 3 (27:16):
I don't know, But also I got I think he
sensed that I had a connection to Scotland because I
was in Macbeth and Brigadoon and my grandfather was probably Scottish.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
Oh s, yeah, you didn't even think about that, Ken, Yeah,
you're right. I wasn't even putting that together. That's cool. Yeah,
you're right about the bagpipes. They just they have to
tape her off. That's not a stop, full stop, all
of a sudden situation with a bagpipe.

Speaker 3 (27:47):
Yeah, it's impossible, because we had somebody play bagpipes in
both of the musical and Macbeth. Oh, you're not supposed
to say the name of the play. I'm sorry, I
forgot oh of Meg?

Speaker 2 (28:01):
Yeah okay, Oh yeah, I'll go through because I think
you said it a few times. I'll go through this section.

Speaker 3 (28:05):
And make sure it's supposed to be the No, you
can leave it in.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
It's supposed to be what.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
It's supposed to be, the play that shall not be named?

Speaker 2 (28:15):
Oh, I gotcha.

Speaker 3 (28:17):
Yeah. Whenever you're in a theater, you're not supposed to
say the name. Oh really, yeah, because it brings bad luck?

Speaker 2 (28:24):
No kid. Oh see, I was not aware of that.
Oh that's cool. Really yeah, I really will cut it
out if I don't need to bring anybody bad luck.
Are you sure? Okay?

Speaker 3 (28:37):
In a theater or on the ultimate theater stage of
Planet Earth.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
Wow, I didn't know about that.

Speaker 3 (28:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
So even even while you're in a play, you don't
mention it, and after the play, you don't mention it
the name.

Speaker 3 (28:54):
And if you're in the theater.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
Oh okay, I okay. Interesting. I've never heard of that before.
I learned something new every day. That's cool.

Speaker 3 (29:08):
So after college, I moved to Hollywood and I lived
in this little place that my apartment was right up
towards the entrance of the building, and there was a
security gate and it was really loud when you open it,

(29:30):
so I knew it had been opened when people come through.
And in my apartment thing, I kept getting constant knocks
on my front door, and because it was only a
couple of feet away, I would open the front door
from my desk to get to the front door, I'd

(29:52):
open it and there was nobody there. It was impossible
to open that front gate and vanish without making a
lot of So that followed me around a lot for years.
Knocks on my front door, and it's always three knocks,

(30:13):
which is the traditional knock. I guess the Holy Trinity
or something. Yeah, And I don't know why I went.
I'm not. I was never I experimented with religion, but
I wasn't religious. I read the Bible, I read the
bagavad Gita. I read all kinds of things, but I

(30:34):
was never religious. Here in this apartment. I'll just skip
around because in this apartment, I've had all kinds In
North Hollywood, I've had all kinds of things go on,
lights coming on again, and literally the light switches turned
up like somebody flicked it on. And I've had friends

(31:00):
here who saw that happen. They didn't see the light
switch being flicked up, but they saw, oh, that light
is now on and the switch is in the on position.
Really weird. I also, I remember when I first moved
in here, there was something that was a weird squishy sound.

(31:25):
I heard it in the kitchen. It landed on the
cabinet counter, and I thought, that's a weird noise. So
I went in and turned on the kitchen light and
it was a package of dinner napkins, paper dinner napkins
that had been set on the top of the refrigerator

(31:47):
and they were picked up and moved to the kitchen
counter across the kitchen, and that was the sound of
them landing. That was the squishy little sound. Diard, It
was really weird. Oh, I did see one thing happen

(32:08):
and it freaked me out. I was sitting on my
sofa and I had framed movie posters, two of them
on one wall, and I swear in unison, both of
them lifted up in the air about six inches and

(32:31):
then flew onto the carpet in front of the wall.
It was like they didn't just fall off the wall.
They flew away from the wall and then landed on
the floor. And I remember seeing that. I went I
was in shock. I didn't move for a while, physically,

(32:54):
could not move. I was in shock. And it was
a while before I was even will to touch them.
I was like, that's pretty powerful. That's a lot more
powerful than a barrel of monkey's flying off of a
puppet stage. There have been nights I try to close

(33:18):
the bathroom door just a little bit in the hallway
light or the bathroom or the door in the hallway,
excuse me, just so it makes the bedroom darker. But
I remember one night I got up and as I
don't close the doors, I just pull them almost shut

(33:41):
and I don't latch them at all. And that's I
don't close the doors because I'm afraid if an earthquake
happens and the frame of the building gets shut off
centered or I might not be able to open that door.
So if it's not closed, I could I have a
better chance of getting out. But one night I got

(34:04):
up to use the restroom and as I was reaching
to push the door open, the door slam shut on me.
It was boom, just closed. I was like okay, And
I went to the other door and it did that too,

(34:24):
It just slam shut. And I was like, okay, there
is no breeze in my apartment. I had no windows open,
and why would it do that? And I also said
I figured there was a ghost or something following me around,

(34:46):
and I told it, you could stay in the living room,
but my bedroom is off limits and the restroom, everything
is off limits. You can only stay in the living room.
And I think it was telling me it was playing
a joke on me, That's what it was.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
So you spoke that out loud to whatever whoever this was.
How long after you said it out loud did this
the frame movie posters happen? And then the slamming of.

Speaker 3 (35:18):
Oh gosh, I think the movie posters came off the
wall before I said that, Oh okay, I was just trying.
I kept sensing that there I can sense a ghost
often if they're there, and we'll get into that with
Carol Lombard. And so I started learning about setting parameters,

(35:42):
and I watch a lot of paranormal podcasts and read
books about it. It's fun to read. It's certainly an
endlessly fascinating subject, a lot of different subjects, as you
well know. I don't I when I told it to

(36:03):
stay out in the living room only, I think that
happened like a couple of nights after I said that,
and when the door slammed, the doors slammed, it was
really it was shocking, and I reiterated again, stay out.

(36:23):
I want to be able to sleep. I don't want
to be bothered.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
Both of those occurrences. When you really think about you're
there alone and these things are happening, those are not
two small instances. I can easily put myself in your
shoes and go. I would have been freaked out too
with either of those two happenings.

Speaker 3 (36:46):
Yeah, I don't know what. I guess I'm used to it,
especially after Carol Lombard, I had no problem dealing with it.
We're almost getting to that point in the story, but
I want to I'll bring up al Capone in a bit.

(37:07):
But my roommate, Paul I lived. I want to bring
him up because this is another pretty dramatic experience. I
had a roommate named Paul, and we lived out out
in so Aar in a house, and he had a
big driveway and a place for him to park his

(37:28):
car and I could park my car in the curve
of the driveway. So one night I came home and
he was He got out of his car ahead of me.
He had just obviously gotten home, and he lifted the
trunk of his car and he was pulling grocery bags out,

(37:48):
and I leaned out my window. I said, hang on,
I'll help you. I turned off my engine and went
towards him, and he had already gone and all the bags,
and he closed the trunk of his car and did
not look at me, And instead of walking towards the house,

(38:12):
he walked towards the street. And I said, Paul, where
are you going? The house is this way, and he walked.
He continued walking with all the bags, and then there
was a row of hedges at the end of the property,
and he they were very tall, and he walked to

(38:36):
the street, turned right to go past the row of hedges,
and I followed him. It was dark, okay, the sun
the moon was full, and it was a beautiful night,
so I could see clearly. He vanished as he turned

(38:57):
past the hedges, completely bad vanished, and I was completely mystified.
And I looked, did he fall into the hedges? No,
he didn't. So I walked back to the house, completely mystified,

(39:19):
and I opened the front door and my roommate Paul
was in the kitchen making dinner. I screamed, and I
told him what I just saw. I saw you carrying
the bags of groceries that were sitting on the kitchen table.
By the way, he hadn't put everything away. It was

(39:40):
the same bags, and you had just vanished in front
of my eyes around the hedges. Very he died a
few months later. You had to sell the house and
he died from cancer. It was really sad, and he
was a very good friend and very sweet, and he

(40:02):
also had quite a sense of humor. So this is
where the conjuring comes in. This is funny. So the
first time I saw The Conjuring, I didn't get to
see it in the theater, so I rented it and
I was watching it in my bedroom with the TV on,

(40:24):
and the scene, the handclap scene scares everybody, Yes, the
daylights out of everybody. The handclap scene happened, and of
course I jumped. I didn't know what was happening. And
at the same time, my roommate Paul was standing outside
at my door waiting, and he smashed He slammed his

(40:46):
fists on my door twice, just like the handclap. I screamed,
and he laughed and chuckled and said, dinner will be
ready in ten minutes.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
That's a good roommate right there.

Speaker 4 (41:03):
I liked that.

Speaker 3 (41:04):
It was great. I was so mad when I came
and helped set the table for dinner. Oh my goodness,
that was great. So then he died, and it was
very fast. In fact, it was so fast he got
a diagnosis in two weeks later. It was gone. He

(41:24):
had a boyfriend who held a huge memorial party, so
lots of people came. He was a very well loved
man in the world. He had lots and lots of gas.
So after the party, I went home. I thought, I
think I'll watch The Conjuring two. So I rented it

(41:51):
and I turned it on my TV and got it
a little loud, and you remember the beginning in the
Amityville House. The beginning of the movie takes place in
the Amityville House, and there's a seance scene, and I
should have checked this out, but I don't remember the
exact line. But there's a line that gets screamed out loud,

(42:16):
and my TV turned off. Never done that before, So
I turned the TV back on, and I decide, Okay,
this kind of ruined the suspense or the pace of
the movie. So I started over, and at the exact
same moment, the same line of dialogue, the TV turns

(42:40):
off and it went okay. So then I thought, maybe
I'm not supposed to watch this on the TV. I'll
just put it up on my computer screen because I
have a big monitor so it's pretty much the size
of a TV anyway, And I play it on my computer,

(43:02):
and the exact same moment, the same line the dialogue,
the computer shuts down. Not just the movie stopped, the
whole computer went down. And then I went, oh, it's
Paul saying hi, just like he did with the first

(43:23):
conjuring he's playing a joke on me. And so I
turned my TV back in and I picked a different movie.
Oh but air course one.

Speaker 2 (43:34):
That's it. That that is actually that's very heartwarming. I
like stories like that of people saying I'm okay, I'm cool,
and I want to say hi.

Speaker 3 (43:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
With the doppel Ganger incident, at the time that you
saw the other Paul, no one knew he was sick
at that time, right.

Speaker 3 (43:57):
No, no one knew he did know.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
Do you think that somehow his whatever inside of him
that knew he was sick or whatever it might have been,
was trying to prepare you and show you what was
going to happen, that he would be gone, vanished.

Speaker 3 (44:21):
I've thought of that a lot, I think so. It
was so striking. Again, like the Bagpipe Coast, this Doppelganger
was solid as could be looked, just as solid as
you or I might look, and just completely vanished. It

(44:44):
still mystifies me.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
Wow, I cannot imagine the shock that you must have
had going inside the house and seeing him with those
the same groceries you just saw him with outside and
he's standing in the kitchen. Not even imagine that scenario.

Speaker 3 (45:02):
Oh God, I literally screamed, I could not. I would
That's probably the only paranormal experience that made me scream.
I just did not expect that at all.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
And you, of course told him the whole story, right.

Speaker 3 (45:17):
What did he say, right? He said, I mean you're cooking.
It wasn't me, but it was you. Oh.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
It's a mystery that is pretty powerful. And that's where
my brain just naturally gravitates, is that it was that
was just somehow to just because you've done this in
the past, things ahead of time, and but this time
it was so different. You actually saw a version of him.
And now, because are the reasons you're not allowed to

(45:52):
see people that are close to you. He was very
close to you, guys, were very close.

Speaker 3 (45:56):
And oh, Shannon, you just gave me chills. Really, I
never thought of that. I never thought that was me
seeing the future somehow. I never thought of that. I
always thought it was something being done to me. But

(46:16):
maybe it was me seeing him. I don't know if
that's weird. It's really strange.

Speaker 2 (46:23):
Maybe for that, for him and for you guys's relationship,
the rules had been broken, and for this time you
were able to see what was going to happen. And
again I could be way off, but that's just where
my brain went with that.

Speaker 3 (46:38):
I think that's a good thought. I think it's something
I should consider. And there's nothing I can do about
it now, but I never I can maybe just absorb
it and see because I've seen ghosts in my apartment
building one I remember, I still see them. I don't know.

(47:01):
It may be something where it's my gift coming through
and I didn't intend it to.

Speaker 2 (47:09):
Yeah, and maybe that's a good thing, obviously, because if
you started to see people that you know are alive
and well as far as vanish in front of you
after that incident, now you're going to be going, oh
my gosh, now you're yeah, you know what I mean,
Like it would so I don't know.

Speaker 3 (47:29):
It'd be like going back to the Hollywood parties where
I can't I'm supposed to keep my mouth shut.

Speaker 2 (47:35):
Yeah, and then you go, that's okay. I didn't want
to see that anyway, because look where it gets me.

Speaker 3 (47:39):
So I want to bring up al capone just for
a moment. It's a fun story.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
Oh, I love it. Let's do it all right.

Speaker 3 (47:47):
So I had a friend at gal Pal and we
were at a conference in Chicago, and we decided we
had the afternoon off, and we decided to go and
hunt a bar that had some good pizza from real
Chicago pizza and a good solid bar because we wanted

(48:08):
some cocktails. And we found one and they had a
huge banquette in the middle of the bar and we
both sat down and one of us on each end
of the table, and the banquette was really nice and

(48:28):
big and made us feel cozy, and the waitress came
in took our order for drinks, and we ordered some pizza,
and then she came back. By the time she came back,
my friend and I were looking at each other. There's
something not quite right. She was also gifted with the

(48:50):
ability to sense the paranormal. She and I both looked
at each other and we were both sensing something's not
quite right here at this table the bar. The waitress
came back and gave us our drinks and we said,

(49:15):
excuse us, but what's is there something unusual about this
banquette we're sitting in, and she went, yes, in fact,
there is. Look at the sideline. It's the only seat
in the whole bar where you can see all the
way to the back of the bar, and you can
see all the way to the front of the bar,

(49:37):
and you know whose favorite seat that was al Capone.
Al Capone was there, and she took us behind the
bar and showed us the escape hatch below. She wouldn't
let us go into it, but there was an escape
patch in behind the bar where you could get to

(49:59):
a donnel and get out of the bar without getting caught.
But you could see if people were coming in to
arrest him or cause a fight, he could get up
and leave before they got to that part of the bar.
That was fun. The pizza was really good, and I
don't remember the name of the restaurant or the bar.

Speaker 2 (50:22):
Oh, that's Chicago pizza. There's nothing like it. But I
would I would go on anywhere with either one of
you or both of you at the same time. We'd
probably be interesting. Had you, guys, ever been in another
place that you got a weird feeling that maybe you.

Speaker 3 (50:36):
Could get becausited.

Speaker 5 (50:38):
Me.

Speaker 3 (50:38):
She used to come and stay over with me at
Carol Lombard's house. Oh boy, so we're there. We reached
just new intuitively, there was a way to connect it
to Carol Lombard. So let's get on to Carol Lombard
episode five oh three. That reminder that was great.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
That was a great segue. Thank you for that high
five can.

Speaker 3 (51:03):
Yeah? But heard episode five was three, Go listen to it.
It's really great. So I moved out to Silver Lake
and got a room in a house that it was
a big room, and it had French windows and it

(51:24):
really cool room, hardwood floors, and I had an I
worked for an interior design firm, and my boss said,
I'm going to give you a gift. I'm going to
pay for all the paint and repairs to the walls
and give you some lighting fixtures. And she also gave

(51:47):
me some Louis the fourteenth chairs that I got to borrow.
Oh that's cool because I had a section of my
room that was big enough for an entire library and
I could have a little tape and a couple of
sitting chairs, and I had a little surround sound movie
theater in there too. It was a big room. And

(52:11):
I remember my roommate she came upstairs and wanted to
check on me. And I had been feeling something was
watching me. And I was up on a ladder painting
a wall, and she came in and said, how you doing.

(52:34):
I said, good, but I feel like someone's watching me.
It's really unbelievable, how strong this energy is. And she said, oh,
that's Carol. Apparently Carol Lombard owned this house for a

(52:54):
short while while she had another house built that was
even bigger, but or maybe she rented it, but she
did stay at that house, and I was getting her room,
her beetroom, and was fixing it up really nice. Interesting enough,
my roommate her boyfriend lived a couple of apartments next

(53:19):
there were some a row of apartments next door to
her house, and her boyfriend rented the room that James
Dean lived in for a while.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (53:31):
Yeah, that's that kind of Hollywood stuff. It's really cool. Anyway,
So Carol was very active and doors opening. The first
time I had an actual encounter with the ghost. I
didn't see her, but my roommate left for work every

(53:51):
morning by about six o'clock, and I could hear her closing.
There were wooden stairs, and she always wore boots and
she I could hear her walking down the stairs and
then open the front door and leave and great, so
I always knew when she was leaving. And it was

(54:12):
my first day. It felt great. The sun was rising,
the room was all nice and cozy and I had
the French windows open all the way and suddenly I
heard the front door open and slam, shot, boom, and
then somebody running pell mell up the stairs. But it

(54:36):
was not boots. It was the sound of dress shoes
or you know what a nice woman, nicely dressed woman
would wear pumps. It was pumps. And I was like, wow,
she's running, and I jumped out of bed and I
said to my roommate, I opened the door, or said,

(55:01):
are you okay? No one was there. The steps had
reached the top of the stairs, and there was no
one on the other side of my door, which is
right next to the stairs. It was rather freaky. So
she would do all kinds of things. I used to

(55:22):
She changed the radio station if you were listening to
a radio. Oh oh, I remember. One of the creepiest
things she ever did to me was the first night
I moved in. I decided to watch a movie and
ordered a pizza, and then I sat down in my
bed and got old comfy and I said to her

(55:43):
out loud, this is my room, please stay out. And
that was a big mistake. The next time I got
off the bed, I had remember people used to own
CDs back in the eighties and nineties.

Speaker 2 (56:01):
He yeah, I still have all mine.

Speaker 3 (56:04):
Oh my gosh. I had a couple of towers of
them on either side of my TV, and I had
a throw rug stretching across the length of the room
in front of the TV. And without me even seeing it,
she had taken a CD off the shelf off of

(56:27):
one of the shelves, and she actually took the first
one on because I had them alphabetically on the towers,
and she had laid it down exactly perpendicular to the
corners of the throw rug. I went, Okay, I guess

(56:47):
we're sharing this room. That was her way of saying,
it's my room. You only get to stay here for
a while.

Speaker 2 (56:57):
When she would change the music, would he always changed
at the same station.

Speaker 3 (57:01):
Oh no, never, She'd just picked something random. It was
weird and it never made any sense. But stuff moving.
I'd get stuff stolen out of my room, and I
know where I'd put stuff, Like I had some sunglasses.
They were expensive, and she stole them off my desk

(57:25):
and I know I put them there. And I looked
all around my room. There were no one there. They
weren't anywhere to be found, and I didn't leave them
in my car. A week later, they showed right back
up on my desk, exactly where I put them when
they were stolen. She was I think she thought it

(57:48):
was funny.

Speaker 2 (57:51):
So the roommate was there prior to you getting there?
Is this why she didn't claim the master bedroom for
herself and gave it to you?

Speaker 3 (58:02):
I don't know. I never asked her. That's funny.

Speaker 2 (58:06):
She's like, you want the big bedroom. You're like, heck, yeah,
that's strange. You're giving me this room now.

Speaker 3 (58:13):
You know?

Speaker 2 (58:13):
Why? How long did Carol live there?

Speaker 3 (58:18):
I don't It wasn't very long. So I don't even
know why they called her Carol because there was no
proof that it was Carol Lombard. But we just know
that she lived there for a while, right, And apparently
Clark Gable was there once and they had a tryst
in my room.

Speaker 2 (58:38):
Oh yeah, gosh, I love that kind of history. That's
fascinating to me.

Speaker 3 (58:44):
It is. It's wonderful and it's so romantic, and I
feel so sorry for Clark Gable. Yeah, it's such a tragedy.

Speaker 2 (58:52):
Yes, wow. Anyway, Yeah, when you go, Ken, I don't
know if you've ever been there, but if you ever
have the chance to go to the Pioneer Saloon where
Clark was holed up while he was trying to get
any information he could after the crash, there's still the
burnmarks on the bar where he was putting his cigars
out as he sat there to wait for the final night.

(59:16):
Was there someday, Yeah, it really gets you. We loved
our a lot, and really it was not a good
thing in any way, shape or form, of course.

Speaker 3 (59:25):
Yeah, and somehow he kept working afterwards. Yeah, it was wild.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (59:33):
Anyway, So I had one really memorable experience. I went
out to a bar one night, a really popular bar
in a Silver Lake and it was a place where
I knew. I would occasionally run into people and they

(59:54):
were friends and we'd say hi. It was a popular
place that people went to in Silver Lake. But one
night I went there and I met this guy and
we hit it off. He was funny, and so he
hit on me and I invited him back to the

(01:00:14):
house for some fun. But I decided, why don't we
have a nightcap before we go upstairs to the bedroom,
and I made a martini. And because Carol was so
active constant, I could invite people over and save you.

(01:00:38):
You want to have a paranormal experience. Come over, you
will have a paranormal experience. Oh. So apparently he thought
I was cute but crazy. So we finished our drinks,
went upstairs and he stayed the night, and around four

(01:01:03):
thirty in the morning, he bolted up out of bed
and throwing his clothes on and he woke me up.
I went, what's wrong? He said, I forgot I have
to go pick up a friend from Lax. Oh, okay,

(01:01:24):
I'll call you in the afternoon. Okay, And he ran
out the door. And the next day I called him
and I had asked, so, how is your friend? Did
you pick him up at Lax? He said, I lied.
Someone punched me in the arm at four thirty in

(01:01:47):
the morning, and I saw it wasn't you because you
were rolled over and completely sound asleep the other direction,
so it was impossible that it would have been you
who punched me. And then he said, I saw your
bedroom door open and closed by itself, and that's when
I jumped out of bed and made the excuse I

(01:02:11):
had to go to Lax. Oh yeah. We became boyfriends.
The next day we started dating, and eventually I moved
in with him at his house across the street. I

(01:02:32):
had to leave poor Carol alone with no one. But
years later I had another experience surrounding Carol and Clark Cable.
I had a job working for a nonprofit and we

(01:02:54):
were constantly fundraising. But my boss had a lot of
connections with a lot of wealthy people, and he always
took me with him. Apparently, if it was a lady,
I made them feel more comfortable because they thought I
was cute. I knew it was a way of manipulating

(01:03:18):
the women to get them to open their checkbooks. Anyway,
So we went to this mansion, huge mansion in Beverly Hills,
and apparently he knew this woman and she was an
actress daytime soap opera or something. I didn't recognize her,
but I was impressed with how enormous the house was,

(01:03:41):
and it was a date for him, and he decided
to They went upstairs and she said, if you need
anything asked, We've got staff members who can get you
anything you want. There's books here, there's magazine. Enjoy yourself,

(01:04:02):
and you can go anywhere you want in the house.
So I went. While they were upstairs, I went this
is so sordid. Wow, what a horrible story. I went out.
I went wandering around the house because they had a
lot of interesting art. I liked the architecture. It was beautiful,

(01:04:27):
and the backyard was really beautiful. It was a big pool,
row of cabanas, and it was really well taken care of.
But I felt really strange, really bizarre, and I felt
really uncomfortable, and so I went back in and sat

(01:04:52):
down waiting for them. They eventually came downstairs, my boss
and this woman whose name I can't remember, and I said,
I love the house, but there's something about the backyard.
I feel like I've seen it before. And she went, oh,
you've probably seen it. There are pictures of it online.

(01:05:15):
This is where Carol Lombard and Clark Gable held a
party for their nuptials after their wedding at a small wedding,
and they just threw some Hollywood parties, and this is
one of the places they held a Hollywood party. And
I went, oh, my god, I almost fell over. I

(01:05:37):
was so dizzy when she said that, I thought I
told her I used to live in a house that
Carol Lombard stayed in. Oh, I don't know what to
say that was just incredible.

Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
I wonder what the tie in is there, just the
fact that you happen to live the house and then
you miraculously really end up at this soap opera star's house,
and you had this feeling like you've seen this backyard before,
which maybe you have subconsciously seen pictures or something. But
it does seem like there's a connection with you and

(01:06:16):
Carol now that you've lived in her home or something.

Speaker 3 (01:06:20):
Yeah, I don't think there's any more of a connection.
I always thought about going back there, but back to
the house in silver Lake, but they've turned it into
they've turned it into several apartments, small apartments. Oh jeez,
it's not the same house anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
But somebody's house includes the extremely active bedroom. Were any
other areas of the home active at all?

Speaker 3 (01:06:47):
Oh yeah? Oh yeah. She would go through the house
and move stuff and change not only my radio upstairs,
but the radio downstairs.

Speaker 2 (01:06:58):
Yeah, and then of course the footstep up the stairs.
Things like that.

Speaker 3 (01:07:02):
Oh yeah. And I remember one time I invited a
friend over because he wanted to have a paranormal experience.
He wanted to believe, so to speak. So it was
a nice, warm, summer day. We had a garden out
front with a little twinkly white lights and a nice table.
So I decided to make us martinis, and I poured

(01:07:25):
us a couple of martinis and we were going to
go and sit out on the on the patio. Oh,
the martini lid slammed on the counter. It didn't just fall,
it was picked up and slammed. And my friend jumped.

(01:07:47):
He went, Wow, that somebody did that. It didn't just
slip off because it was tightly. When you're making a martini,
you got to make sure that shaker is really tight
on there. And I went, I bet it was Carol.
She wanted a martini as well, so I poured a

(01:08:10):
third one in left it for her on the counter,
and my friend went, now, I'm a believer. So she
was all over the house, but mostly my bedroom.

Speaker 2 (01:08:20):
They're running up the front door opening shutting, and then
the running up the stairs. Did that only happen the
one time?

Speaker 3 (01:08:27):
No, it didn't always accompany the front door opening, but
you would often hear someone walking up the stairs. And
my roommate and I were the only ones home where
we were the only tenants in the house, and we
look at each other in the living room and go
someone's walking up the stairs and it's impossible to walk

(01:08:49):
quietly up those stairs. It was wooden. It probably needed
to be rebuilt, but it was pretty amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:08:57):
What about the roommate's experiences, did she share a whole
lot of things with you?

Speaker 3 (01:09:02):
Yeah? We always if something happened, we always made sure
we told the other person, because first off, we're going
to believe each other. There won't be much controversy there were.

Speaker 2 (01:09:17):
Her experience is much different than yours.

Speaker 3 (01:09:21):
Not invasive, like standing in the room and once in
a while when my partner stayed over, we could feel
the energy in the room shift and I felt it,
and then my partner said, can you feel that, It's
like electricity in the air. And it was oppressive and

(01:09:43):
I said, it'll go away. It's just carol. And yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:09:49):
So the gentleman that you met at the bar and
then you guys became a couple, he did end up
coming back and staying at the house with you, right, Yeah,
and he never got punched again.

Speaker 3 (01:10:01):
No. I think that was just her way of saying, Hi.

Speaker 2 (01:10:05):
Yeah, I see there, welcome, Welcome to the house. That's
a hell of a way to wake up. I gotta say,
that would be really freaky.

Speaker 3 (01:10:16):
Yeah, that would be freaky. And yeah, no, he finally
learned that I was never scared and nothing ever happened
that would harm a person. Oh, yeah, it was mostly
just pranks. Shall we move on?

Speaker 2 (01:10:32):
Yes, I love that stuff about Carol Lombard. Thank you
so much for sharing that.

Speaker 3 (01:10:36):
Oh you're very welcome. So now with the phone call
with God. This happened when I was still living. I
was living in Carol's house and it was before I
met my partner. I had fallen in love with somebody
who completely devastated me and rejected me, and he was

(01:11:01):
actually quite mean about it too. I felt really bad,
and I thought I wanted to end my life, and
so I knew my sister had attempted it. She failed.
As a side note, my parents when I was in

(01:11:22):
high school would never let me watch the movie One
Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest, And there was a good
reason why I saw it. In college, I used to
be the guy in the dorm who rented movies and
picked what we were going to see. On a we
had a movie night, and one time I rented One

(01:11:45):
Fleu of the Cuckoo's Nest. I wanted to see it.
I'd never seen it. I did not know that it
was shot in my part of it was shot in
my town of Lincoln City, and the scene where they
aren't trying to go steal away from the hospital and
go fishing, and all of that was shot in my hometown.

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But the biggest shock was when they went to the
state hospital. That was shot at the same hospital my
sister had been placed it, and the scene with the

(01:12:29):
electric shock therapy, which is still legal in the state
of Oregon, happened in a room that probably was the
same room my sister had it done. They restaged it,
of course, it was the room looked identical, and I
then knew why my parents didn't want me to see

(01:12:50):
the movie. They didn't want me to get upset, and
I was upset, But I think I could have handled
it just fine, because I actually liked that movie. But
it was a shocker anyway. My sister attempted to a
side a few times, and I don't know why we

(01:13:13):
both had this inclination, but she never succeeded, and finally
she eventually got cured of it and had some children
and finally got back to some semblance of a normal life.
But that was years ago, and she passed away a

(01:13:34):
few years ago, quite suddenly. Yikes, I'm sorry, can. Yeah,
she had an aneurysm and she was complaining of a
really bad headache and when they by the time they
got around to the examination table, she passed. They didn't
even have time to see what was wrong. Anyway, So

(01:13:58):
back to this guy who had been mean in rejecting me.
He was brutal, and I was. I came up with
a plan, and now at the backtrack I forgot. I
have to tell you I had this friend. His name
was Eric, and it's okay to use his name, by

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the way. Eric. He was a young friend, and he
was an artist, and every once in a while he'd
lived in New York. But every once in a while
he'd come and stay with me for a few days,
and I'd let him camp out at in my bedroom,
and then he'd go off in the day and do stuff.

(01:14:42):
In the night, we'd have dinner and chat and have
a good time and talk about what the day was like.
But he was a really good friend. And then sometimes
when he went back to New York, we didn't talk
for months. It'd be months before we talked, and particular
time when I was considering ending my life, I hadn't

(01:15:08):
spoken to him in something like six or seven months,
and I had come up with a plan that it
was pretty sure would work. And suddenly my phone rang
and it was my friend Eric from New York calling

(01:15:30):
me out of the blue. He said, God told me
to call you right now. He's talking to me. He's
telling you not to do what you're thinking of doing.
You'll regret it and it will hurt a lot of people.
You have to promise not to go through with it. Ever,

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I was shocked. That's the first phone call I got
from my friend Eric in months, and that's the topic.
He knew I was going to kill myself.

Speaker 2 (01:16:12):
That is amazing, Ken, it saved my life. Oh my gosh,
Like it's beyond specific. He said, exactly what you were
going to do, and God says, don't do it.

Speaker 3 (01:16:26):
Yeah. Yeah. I was in such a shock. I promised
right then and there never to think about it again,
never to do it, and it changed my life from
that point on. It was quite quite a stunning moment.

Speaker 2 (01:16:49):
Is Eric particularly religious or had you guys discussed religious things?

Speaker 3 (01:16:54):
This was a bit of a psychic as well. Okay,
I knew he had more abilities than he mentioned talking
about stuff, but I know he was being coy with me.
You wouldn't tell me everything, so he could sense things.
I know he sends the ghost in the house Carol,
he sends to her. But it's so wild, that.

Speaker 2 (01:17:16):
Is incredible, incredible.

Speaker 3 (01:17:20):
Yeah, I wouldn't be here at that phone call hadn't happened.

Speaker 2 (01:17:26):
Not to be too morbid. But how close were you
to trying to execute your plan?

Speaker 3 (01:17:33):
I had to wait till everybody, till my roommate went
to sleep, and then there was going to be a
few hours.

Speaker 2 (01:17:40):
Oh my gosh. Yeah, and you hadn't talked to this
guy in months.

Speaker 3 (01:17:45):
I hadn't talked to him in six or seven months.

Speaker 2 (01:17:49):
And you were going to say something and I stepped
on you.

Speaker 3 (01:17:54):
No, and just thank God.

Speaker 2 (01:17:59):
Yeah, I would say, so that is directly a phone
call from God. That is amazing. Yeah, And I would say,
you're not allowed to do that at this point when
God directly tells Eric to call you and say, by
the way, I have a message for Ken. Can you
pass this alone to Ken? Please?

Speaker 3 (01:18:21):
It was like he was channeling him. It wasn't like
I have a message from him. It was like he
was just repeating what he was doing in his head.

Speaker 2 (01:18:31):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:18:32):
It was an extraordinary experience, and I think part of
what it was that it wooked me up to how
extraordinary the universe can be. And I don't know everything,
and there were still mysteries to be solved. There is

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still wonderful things that can happen, and that was one
of them. And it's a tragic, morbid story, but it
has a very happy ending. I'm still here, Yeah, and
I've had lots of great experiences in my life and

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I'm happy.

Speaker 2 (01:19:18):
Do you and Eric still talk about that.

Speaker 3 (01:19:21):
We haven't talked in years. Really, we lost contact with
each other. I think that there are some relationships where
you meet somebody and there's a purpose, and I think
the purpose was fulfilled that night, and we chatted every
once in a while.

Speaker 2 (01:19:41):
But yeah, he never.

Speaker 3 (01:19:42):
Came to stay with me again. Yeah, it was. And
he was a great guy and a good artist, So.

Speaker 2 (01:19:53):
That is incredible. I love that so much, Ken, I
love it.

Speaker 3 (01:19:58):
Oh, thank you. I'm glad I got to share it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:03):
And I'm so sorry about your sister. I know that
was not easy to share. So thank you for bringing
all that up. And do want to mention because you
mentioned this at the end of the email, and I
think we should mention it since we're talking about this subject,
and if you could bring up the suicide Prevention hotline
and that there are resources out there for anybody that's

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having a difficult time.

Speaker 3 (01:20:26):
Dial nine eight eight on your cell phone and you
will get to the Suicide in Crisis Lifeline. Go to
nine eight eight lifeline dot org on the internet and
you'll get all kinds of resources and there's videos. You
never have to feel afraid to call if you just
want to chat, or you've got emotional distress, problems with

(01:20:50):
alcohol use, or trying to take care of somebody who
needs help. It's a good resource. They're always there to talk.
And then also if you want, there's a YouTube channel
they have where you can you can look and see
how the phone calls work and what they do for you.

(01:21:11):
But on the dark side, I heard yesterday Trump wants
to eliminate it's one of the nine billion dollars they
want to eliminate from the budget. They want to get
rid of mpr PBS, and this is one of the
programs they want to get rid of that.

Speaker 2 (01:21:30):
Would not be a good idea. And I will say
that I am going to put the links to everything
that you sent me, including it's a nice kind of
one oh one on what happens when you call, so
you're not as intimidated. Maybe I will put those links
in the show notes for this episode. And we have
an entire subject that we are going to cover on

(01:21:54):
another episode, and that is of the extraterrestrial kind, which
I'm very much looking forward to, Ken, But thank you
so very much for being willing to share it. This
is really a great chat.

Speaker 3 (01:22:07):
I really thoroughly enjoyed it.

Speaker 6 (01:22:09):
Channing, Well, I'm sorry, so I was given this name
by my parents.

Speaker 3 (01:22:16):
I business, I'm in such college.

Speaker 7 (01:22:17):
I've done these things as my professional and I produce
a little bark, but it says, forget it. That's that's
something for story.

Speaker 3 (01:22:27):
That's all gone, that's all possible.

Speaker 7 (01:22:29):
I want to see them really you who you are
now when nobody.

Speaker 6 (01:22:33):
Knows who that is, because we don't know ourselves except
through listening to our agnis and consulting on mems. But
that that's a really when that again leads aspect this question,
go law you that is going to mean. We shall

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see how they play.

Speaker 4 (01:22:56):
With this example by the cos to get you to
come out of the show I'm at.

Speaker 3 (01:23:36):
Its pass.

Speaker 6 (01:24:56):
Example, they will say.

Speaker 7 (01:24:59):
We don't leave literally in reincarnation, that after your funeral
will go, you will sadly become saddly different, there being
somewhere else.

Speaker 6 (01:25:11):
They will say, reincarnation means this. Then, if you sitting
here now are really convinced that you're the.

Speaker 4 (01:25:18):
Same person Bolden at.

Speaker 8 (01:25:19):
The door half an hour ago, you'll be reincarneted if
you are liberating with wells now that you're not.

Speaker 6 (01:25:28):
The past hasn't been test, the future hasn't been tistence.

Speaker 8 (01:25:33):
There is only the present.

Speaker 3 (01:25:34):
That's the only amenia that there is.

Speaker 8 (01:25:38):
Then, master don't get what displaces.

Speaker 7 (01:25:42):
The string does not become the sun.

Speaker 5 (01:25:46):
First there is sambath, and then there is spree.

Speaker 9 (01:26:16):
It's it's, it's, it's, it's, it's.

Speaker 8 (01:26:45):
It's t s isn't that's the same idea.

Speaker 6 (01:27:44):
Where he says, when you settled down in the train
to read your newspapers, and you're not the same person.
If you think you are, you are linking your movements
up in the chair. And this is what binds is
the wee both. When you know that every moment which

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you are is the only moment this comes into zare.
The Master will say from somebody, I cannot have a
book across the road, and it comes back and it says,
where are your foot? They've gone? So where are you?

Speaker 3 (01:28:24):
Who are you?

Speaker 7 (01:28:25):
When we are asked who we are, we usually give
a kind of recitation of an instrum string instence insen