iNTO THE FRAY 510: The Boogie Man

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The infinite complaces people went to and pro fears about
their little affairs, serene in the assurance of their dominion
over this small binning fragment of solar driftwood, which, by
chance or design, man has inherited out of the dark
mystery of time and face.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
On this episode of Into the Fray, I welcome Barry
on with me. Barry got in touch. He did send
me a lovely bullet point list. As I like to mention,
it is helpful. And I was mentioning to Barry why
and he had already mentioned why before I even said it.
But it does help, I think both of us. Gives
me a roadmap and helps to prod the brain matter

(01:27):
of the person writing the bullet point list of maybe
things they had forgotten. I forget things all the time,
so it's helpful. Anyhow, Barry, before we delve into some
of your paranormal experiences, and I say some because as
I said before we officially started, that I agree in
something that you said in your email, which was there
is a lot to cover, and I am leaning towards

(01:51):
what you said that maybe this should be part one
of two or maybe even three episodes that I do
with you, But would you mind please telling people a
little bit about your professional background, because it is very interesting,
as much of it as you wanted to talk about,
of course, just a little snapshot of what you do

(02:12):
and some of your abilities.

Speaker 3 (02:15):
Hi, Shannon, sure, absolutely, thank you for having me on
your show. It's exciting. Yeah. I've been fortunate. My entire
career took place in the state of Florida, but I
was born. My first eighteen years of life, I lived
in western New York, but I went to a commercial
arts school and I ended up moving to Florida in

(02:37):
the early eighties, and I ended up getting involved in
the film industry, working as a special makeup effects guy
in a lot of b horror movies. I was a
jack of all trades in art, different various art forms,
mostly out of necessity to pay the bills. But I

(02:57):
always had a passion for film. I like scary movies
as a kid and wanted to be able to make monsters.
And the craze was going on in the eighties with
all the movies and the makeup stuff. So I was
fortunate to have gotten involved with film and television industry
in Florida. It's not the same as Hollywood, but it's

(03:19):
still I've worked on a couple of things that are
now considered cult film. I worked on a lot of
really schlocky things as well. But it's been a wild ride.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
What was the first thing that you realized that was
a passion of yours? Were you drawing something or were
you sculpting something out of mud? Because you sent along
some sculptures that you've done and masks that you've created
for some of these projects, and really really good.

Speaker 3 (03:44):
Yeah, thank you. You know what, It's funny. I was
an artistic child also, growing up in a ponted house.
You'd think the last thing I would want to do
is watch a scary movie. But I watched scary movies.
But my great grandfather was an incredibly talented artist and
was an inspiration to me, and my mother had artistic abilities.

(04:09):
My brother is an award winning tattoo artist, and I
just had almost one thing I was good at was
being creative, whether it was building forts or just in
the cold winter. You know, you stuck up there in
the house in the winter months a lot of times,
and I would create projects for myself, drawing, sculpting, doing

(04:31):
model kids and other things. And they had. I guess
they called me a monster kid from the nineteen sixties
and seventies, early seventies until I discovered girls in rock
and roll. Then that things changed a little bit. But
I was really Every Friday and Saturday they would play
a scary movie on TV and get some little Jiffy

(04:52):
pop and we would sit up and watch a Vincent
Price or Godzilla movie, one of my old Hammer horror movies,
and just get the his Gebie's scared audio. And every
weekend I would look forward to it, and then I
would be inspired to draw the monstros from the movies
or whatever. And in my art teacher in high school,
I had no plans whatsoever what I was going to

(05:14):
do with my life. He pulled me aside one day, goes,
you could be professional artists. If you were interested in
trying to do that, you should go to art school.
Nobody ever told me that before that, and he really
helped move me forward and following a little dream that
I had in the back of my head, it's great.
I've had have it a wild ride. It was a

(05:35):
lot of fun.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
Sometimes all it takes is that one person to say
that one right thing, and it just changed the whole court.

Speaker 3 (05:43):
Absolutely was not a great student and it came from
a broken hole. We just had a lot of problems,
and so school just was didn't take it too serious.
I didn't think about the future. But luckily I had
something that somebody noticed. And yeah, he made a big
difference in my life by just giving me that little inspiration.

(06:05):
As suddenly I went and told my parents and my
art teacher thinks I should go to art school, and
like what, that's a hobby rest like all other people
make a living at it, and I just had Once
I got inspired, I just had goals. I started making
little goals for myself, even though I was a kind
of a goofball. And once I moved to Florida, it

(06:26):
was a bit of a wild party going the Fort
Lauderdale and all the spring break stuff going on in
the nineteen eighties. But I managed to accomplish quite a
few things, even though at that in my twenties, and
I have worked on quite a few little film projects
through the years.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
Yes, you certainly have. You've got quite the quite the list,
quite the resume. Indeed, before we get to your personal
paranormal experiences, I know that you wanted to talk about
your extremely gifted grandmother.

Speaker 3 (07:00):
Yeah, you know what, Gosh, it's funny. I was just
up to New York State and staying with my sister,
and in the room that she had me staying in,
there was a little angel music box sitting there, and
while I was laying a bit, the angel the angel
music box went off. It was my grandmother, she does

(07:22):
so it was we were talking about her just before that,
and and I was like, WHOA did I Maybe that
just it gets you thinking, But yes, my grandmother was
truly a special lady. And it's funny. I grew up
with the paranormal my whole life, so I don't know
what anything other that. I mean, I have long periods

(07:44):
of time where everything's normal for me, but then again
other things happened, and I have to assume that it's
because of a family link with my grandmother. But as
a child, used to she used to be a guest.
She was well known in western New York and she
would be a guest on TV shows and radio shows.

(08:04):
And when I was a little boy, I remember going
to the television station's radio stations, sitting in the green
room while she was on, and I just knew Grandma
was special, but I didn't understan really understand how much
how special she really was. And a time when people
who are claim their psychic there's so many. I hate

(08:26):
to say this, but fraud stirs out there, and it's
been like that since, going back to spiritualism, probably going
back to the Greeks and ancient Romans. For all, there's
a buck to be had. But she was a real deal.
She really had true abilities. And for she calls herself
a clairvoyant, and for anybody who basically I'll just explain

(08:51):
to clairvoyant the ability to acquire information that would be
impossible through normal, scientific, proven senses, it's a form of
es for anyone that's not sure. There's a lot of players.
But she had pre precognitive abilities, which is to see
into the future, and she had retro cognition, which is

(09:14):
to see things from the past that she couldn't have known.
And she also could do remote viewing, which would be
to see things in the present that were at a
far at a distance. And so let's just say somebody
she also had a newspaper called four or five Newspapers
up in the Western New York region in the early

(09:37):
seventies mid seventies, and people will write in and say, ah,
I'm missing my wedding ring, and she would write back
and go, I think it's behind this such and such,
and then people would go and they right back to
the newspaper office, and everybody would say, oh, my gosh,
she helped us to do this or helped us with that.

(09:59):
And she really was the real thing. And she would
do readings for groups of mostly women in the area.
She would sometimes read for men, but she would prefer
she liked the company of the women. And she had
the ability. She grew up with some Irish aunts who
did tea reading tea leaves and they were all they

(10:21):
had psychic I guess it ran in the family. So
since she had at an early age, she had abilities.
And she grew up in the New York area over
by New York Cities and was raised in a wealthy
home until the Great Depression hit. But she had met
the President Roosevelt and his wife Eleanor when she was

(10:44):
a child, who was friends of her parents. Then she
met a humble sailor from my hometown in western New
York and so they lived a just a normal life.
There was no neon signs in the world window or
anything a word of mouth around and she would go
and do charitable events like the hospital fair and donate

(11:08):
the money for good causes and stuff. But it was
interesting being around her because you could go and have
lunch with her and go into the restaurant and she'd
look at the waitress and go, don't worry, honey, everything's
gonna be okay. Your child will be fine or something.
The girl burst into tears and you're just sitting there, going, oh, grandma,

(11:29):
But she knew. I mean, she was the real deal. Now.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
How about And actually this just came up on my
last episode with Ken, because he has some abilities to
see certain things and send certain things, but as he mentioned,
it's difficult with people that are closest to you. So
did she find that it was the same thing for

(11:56):
her grandchildren, her children, for her husband? Could she send
anything with you, guys.

Speaker 3 (12:02):
That's a great question. That's funny because her abilities created friction.
I think we'd be with my father. You can imagine
having a mother that knows everything, and of course mothers
often do know a lot of things that your kid's
up to. But in this case, she really truly did
at There were times when she would, of course, people

(12:23):
in the family would be like, oh, Grandma's meddling again
or whatever, and she would always be warning us about things.
But there were many times when she would warn us
about something and what she said came absolutely true. When
I could give you some samples of that. When I
was probably about I'm going to say eleven year ten
or eleven years old, my parents were offered a chance

(12:47):
to go on a vacation. Now, we grew up poor,
a working class family, poor working class neighborhood, and my
dad's boss offered to take my father and my mother
on vacation with them to Puerto Rico, which was you know,
they had never been on vacation. They were teenagers when
I was born and then I had I'm the oldest

(13:10):
of four children, and so they planned out this vacation
and they were very excited, and we were going to
go as children to go stay at some one of
the elder family members from my mom's side of the family.
But when my parents got to the airport in Buffalo,

(13:31):
my dad started hearing his name being paged and I
was like emergency phone call for and he went running
to get to the phone, worried that something was happened
to one of us children, and it was my grandmother,
and she says, welly, don't get on that airplane. There's
something wrong with the angel. He's livid. He's just absolutely

(13:55):
angry as could be, and starts yelling at her to
mind her own business and quit trying to ruin their vacation.
And he got on the aircraft, and sure enough, while
they were over the ocean heading to Puerto Rico, the
aircraft starts having engine trouble and they take a big
nose dive and the oxygen masks drop and just people

(14:18):
were screaming and crying, and the pilots were and up
dumping fuel and they they just barely made it to
land the craft. And there's just one sample of my grandmother,
you know, intervention with family members. And I believe that
she may have very well saved my life when I

(14:39):
got myself into some deep voodoo as a silly young
teenager who had moved to the big city. And she
was so specific about what she said to me that
you cannot there's no way to explain it. It just
is incredible.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
I'll bet your dad listened to her a little bit
more closely after that.

Speaker 3 (15:02):
Oh, I'm not too sure. No, that's the thing that
gets you, is there was It was so often that
she would do these things, and sometimes there are little
things and other times there were life and that has
to be I've only experienced. I don't I think I
do not have my grandmother's abilities. She was truly incredible.

(15:22):
I have for me to say I have abilities. I
cannot control my abilities. This stuff comes to at random,
so they're really not random, I don't think. But these
things I have no control over, they seem like they're
random oftentimes, but in her case. But there have been
a few times where I've had precognition or about something,

(15:44):
and then I didn't do something about it the way
I wish I would have and turned into a tragic scenario.
So I now tried to pay more attention to these signs,
and I'm actually studying the subject so that I can
learn to control and understand things better. But no doubt,

(16:04):
I know that there were family issues with my grandmother
meddling and telling family, her children stuff and grandchildren, but
oftentimes she was right. Almost all the time she was right.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
I don't know, if you wanted to mention the name
of this place. It's an extremely famous place and I've
always been fascinated with it. Are you going there in
person to take these classes or is this online?

Speaker 3 (16:33):
Yeah, you know what, I don't mind. I'll pitch the
place because it's fantastic. It's the Ryan. Yeah, the Ryan.
I'm taking classes at the Ryan Education Center. But the
Ryan is in North Carolina. I think it's in Durham.
But I'm taking online courses and studying parapsychology and field investigations.

(16:54):
But the quality of the courses is amazing, and the
intellectuals and the people involved this fellow students come in
a mix of variety of people. It's really been amazing.
In the last two years, I decided, you know what,
I'm going to really focus on learning and understanding the

(17:15):
events that are going on with me. And yeah, I
highly recommend to anybody who's got a real interest in it.
And I'm not getting paid for this endorsement, but I am.
It's done a really amazing thing for me for understanding
and it's helped me too. I'm not a ghost hunter
or anything, but I am interested in helping people who

(17:36):
are going through things. And now I think it's helped
to guide me into the right direction. So it's been great.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
Weren't they formerly called the Rhyne Research Institute.

Speaker 3 (17:48):
Yeah, it's actually still is. I'm sorry, thank you for
reminding me. And they were part of Duke University and
there the place is ninety years old. They celebrated ninety
years I think this year, so they've been around for
a good long time. And they the people who founded it,
truly were pioneers in the field of vettying the paranormal

(18:11):
and they really do it with scientific research. So this
is not a bunch of mojo stuff here. There is
a real formula where they try to study and examine
everything in a very matter of fact, again scientific way
if possible. It's hard. You can't catch a ghost and

(18:32):
put it in a jar and take it to the lab.
A field investigation is extremely important too, but it is
really it's excellent. It's very good the way to go
if you want to if you're interested in learning things
in a proper way. You can pull up stuff all
over on YouTube and you're gonna you can find yourself
getting into some deep, serious trouble if you're not careful

(18:53):
what you're doing at least for me, I'm very cautious
because I know that there are there's invisible world out
there that it was all around is, and I know
that there are good things and dark things, and so
I'm trying to be cautious and just educate myself as
to what I'm getting myself into.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
Speaking of the light and the dark, let's talk about
that period of time when you were four to six
years old.

Speaker 3 (19:22):
Yeah, this is the weirdest stuff I think, actually, And
now when you're that age, you have to go. Well,
for many years, I thought, gosh, what was that real
or was that some imagine imagination? But being that I've
had a lifetime of strange experiences, I guess knew or

(19:43):
I know that I was consciously awake, so at least
I believe I was during most of these things. And
so the Yeah, some of the first things that I
can remember living in we were living in an apartment.
My parents were and we were living in the first
floor of it was a house that was divided into it,

(20:05):
so they're upstairs apartment and downstairs, and it was me
and my two younger sisters. And then my brother was
born and he was a baby in the house and
my parents finally bought a house and we moved. But
some of the things that I remember my daytime. I
lived a somewhat sheltered little life in a small town

(20:26):
back in the sixties. I'm getting up there in age,
but I didn't, you know, we had two or three
TV channels, and my parents watched what they wanted to watch.
I didn't. I was not exposed to a lot of
stuff at this age. I was not exposed to religious
ideals or scary movies or anything like that. So where
this stuff came from is I don't believe was from

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being exposed to anything like that at all. But I
remember at night being visited by all kinds of things.
Some were very very frightened and other things where I
was happy to see. And one of the things that
I was exciting for me was that a or a

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light orb would come into my room and I believe
it telepathically communicated with me as a child, and it
would take me on I would say adventures. But now
the adventures, I'm assuming I was having an out of
the body experience most likely in that case, but it

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would dudicate and then it would take me up and
I would actually see myself flying out of our place
and up over the town, and we would go and
this orb would show me amazing things. It would teach
me stuff. Sometimes it would show me incredible technology and machineries,

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vivid bright images and places some that seemed unearthly. I
don't know, or it sounds so cosmic, sounds like I'm
on LSD trip. But I'm a little child, and it
was very interesting. I felt very comfortable in the presence
of this being or energy, and I felt a very

(22:20):
familiarity to it as well, almost as if I knew
it before being born. If you will, I don't know,
and I can't. There's no way for me to prove
any of this. It's just that these are my memories
and they're very powerful. Another thing that I believe that
this being or entity, I don't know what you would

(22:42):
call it, spirit guide I would be probably the best
way to call it is that it would show me
things and teach me about caring for the planet Earth,
having empathy for animals, and worrying about pollution and war.
I would see images I don't know if they were
just planted in my head, of many things like that,

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and being like a teacher teaching me things while I
was on those adventures, and then I would end up
back in my bed the next day, but I would
feel real great love and joy from that. Those are
the good things. But there were other things that were
not so good, you know. But that was definitely. One

(23:28):
of the things I remember seeing was a machinery. It
seemed like a giant gyroscope and it was It actually
seemed like it was in a spacecraft or something.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
Now that I'm thinking, like from Event Horizon.

Speaker 3 (23:40):
Oh gosh, you know what, now, I never thought that
is a creepy one of the creepiest movies.

Speaker 4 (23:45):
It is.

Speaker 3 (23:46):
Wow, you know what. I never put the two together,
but it was, yeah, kind of sounding like that.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
Not that I'm saying that would be the ship that
you would want to go on to, but yeah.

Speaker 3 (23:58):
Yeah, no, that would not be a but no, yeah
it was. But you know what, it was this big
It's strange that only recently did I say that thing
that was gyrate. I thought it was like a gyroscope.
Maybe it was the mechanism that steered this ship or something.
So that's interesting that you say that. But yeah, I

(24:18):
love that movie, by the way, but it's creepy.

Speaker 2 (24:20):
Yeah, I didn't mean to go super dark with it,
but that was the very first thing that popped into
my head. And you've been also a huge movie above.
I knew you would know exactly what I was talking about.

Speaker 3 (24:29):
Oh yeah, of course. So the thing was of course
I was just a small child, but this thing was
something large and very impressive to see all this strange
technology that was way advanced from anything that existed on
our planet at the time or to the day. So
I remember these things and then it's it's very interesting

(24:52):
to me. And then I also had ghostly apparitions that
would come. I said this, and I don't claim to
be anybody with some special ability really other than I
think everybody has some ability. But I just these things

(25:13):
have happened. But I feel like I was almost like
a little a light when the moths would come or
or some reason, these things were attracted to me. And
I don't understand the reason, but maybe they knew that
I was open to seeing them or experiencing them. I
really don't understand. That's why I'm trying to learn these things.

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But I would have ghostly apparitions come into my room.
I remember one very specifically where I sat up in
my bed and watched. I heard a groaning sound of
an old man and he started coming towards me out
of the darkness of the kitchen where my bedroom was

(25:57):
up the kitchen, and I just saw him come towards man.
He was holding his chest and he was reaching out
like almost like you would see the mummy, coming slowly
coming towards me, and it was like he was having
a heart attack or something. But he was elderly man
and he scared to live in daylights out of me,
and he just kept something coming, and I don't remember.

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I think I may have eventually screamed out of course,
my dad came and turned the light on and there's
nothing there. But I remember thinking, I'm awake, I'm not asleep,
and I'm sitting there looking at this thing coming at me,
and it was very frightening. And I had a number
of weird things like that. And actually sometimes I would

(26:40):
see objects that weren't in our house. It's just floating
in the room or something. Something always creepy. Always gave
me the something weird and creepy. I didn't understand. Maybe
it was from people who lived in the house prior.
I don't know it could come the ether or I
don't know where these things were coming from, but that

(27:01):
was one of them. And let me see what else.
This is one of the things that really is. I
feel very uncomfortable and awkward telling you, but I'm going
to tell you everything, even if it's uncomfortable, and you
may have heard something like this, and if you have,
I would love to know if anybody has ever experienced

(27:23):
anything like this. But I remember, as a little boy,
probably that around the age four, seeing what looked like,
I guess a little open a little portal open up
in my room, like a little tunnel opened up, and
then these little beings came out, and they were little,

(27:45):
diminutive little things only get fit into your palm of
your hand, little beings. They look like little people. They
were all like in a military formation, and they marched
and there was one guy that was the leader's sure
these are my memories. I'm a child, I don't know,
but I remember rubbing my eyes and looking and think

(28:07):
I'm awake and I'm watching this, and they seem to
be on a mission, and they had almost a glow
to them. And then I think I could compare would
be like almost a hologram type of look to where
they were illuminated somewhat. They came marching up towards where
my bed was, and then they proceeded a big operation

(28:31):
of trying to climb up to where I was at,
which looked like they were throwing little hooks or something
and climbing up ropes. It sounds like a weird dream,
and maybe I do it but be but it would
have been a very lucid dream if it was. And
because I remember thinking about these that wasn't frightened so

(28:55):
much as more amused by watching the whole thing. But
I was a bit frightened because it was something so strange.
They climbed up and they marched around and they were
like examining me, and I don't know when they were
all done with whatever they were doing. They kind of
marched back down and went back in. This little hole

(29:16):
opened back up and they just went into it and
they were gone. I know that sounds really weird.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
No, it actually doesn't. It really doesn't. And I love
the You're trying and spit out every tiny detail that
you can recall, because sometimes it's those shiny details that
get people to reach out and go.

Speaker 3 (29:34):
You know what.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
I had the same experience, so I do appreciate you
trying to get it all out there.

Speaker 3 (29:40):
I feel a little beat of sweat on my forehead
telling that one, because it sounds so absurd, and yet
it was like another. Beings from an other worldly place came.
They came to visit. They wanted to see me and
examine me, and they were walking around as if and
taking commands by one one one of the characters. They

(30:03):
looked exaggerated almost from what I recall. I would like
to get regressed and go back and try to see that.
It's been a long time since this has happened, but
now I still remember the event. And then that they yeah,
just marched away down in a little straight line like
they were on this mission, and got in this little,

(30:23):
i don't know, a little hole opened up in the
room and they just went right into it and then
it closed up and they were gone. What were they wearing, Well,
they had yeah, odd little uniforms on, you know, some
kind of little I don't know if they were jumped
suits or something, but they all had some kind of
little uniforms. And then there was the one that had
a different kind of uniform that was in charge of

(30:47):
the rest of them. But yeah, it was very odd.
But then you go, if and if I opened my
mind up to this, I go, if they were some
kind of extraterrestrial beings or something. Who's to say what
scale they are, or of course there's the little people.
We've had stories around forever. Every civilization has said stories

(31:07):
about little people. So I don't know. They didn't They
did not have wings or anything like that, or no
intennas or anything real crazy looking, but they yeah, they were.
It was interesting for sure.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
Oh yeah, and then your mind is going, what was
the point of me seeing that?

Speaker 3 (31:25):
Exactly? Just I was even as a child. I was
kind of amused and confused by the whole thing, but
at the same time, I felt pretty excited to have
seen it. They didn't hurt me or anything. That was
good that they could have put me under And did
all know what in the world something like that would do?

(31:47):
Or I wondered if something else was observing me and
they created this hologramic thing that just to watch and
observed my reactions to things or something. I don't know.
Trying to understand it all, but I'll never know. The
answers to these some of these things. It's just it's such.
These are the high strange in the stories that I remember,

(32:08):
you know, a small child, but they stuck with me
after all these years. So here we are talking about it.
I never thought I would ever be talking about this
to anybody, even my own families.

Speaker 2 (32:19):
I think it's wonderful. So a huge high five to you.
What about these dark entities that tortured you mentally?

Speaker 3 (32:26):
Oh god, yeah, that is the that that scares me
the most. And actually the thought of going back, in
having hypnosis to go back, I would be concerned about
that because these things and in my opinion, had to
be some kind of a yeah, dark asence their entities.
But I remember getting visions and they would start I

(32:50):
could just be looking at the wall, and then I'd
start to see that I would know that something's going
to happen. I would start to know that they're coming.
And they did this number of times to me, and
they would I start to see images in the wall
or in my closed eyes, so I could turn my
face in the pillow and I would see them, and

(33:10):
they were just these torted, frightening looking faces I just
staring at me, just just snarling and just basically looking
demon like creatures as if you will, or perhaps I've
wandered through the years where these this is a religious experience.
Are these dark? And of course is that I have

(33:33):
so many people say that aliens are demons. I don't know,
you know what the answer is to all this stuff,
But there was definitely a dark thing. And what they
would do is they would astro project me. I guess,
could they have been taking my body, possibly, but I
feel like they would float me against my will out
of there and I would end up being pulled down

(33:57):
into the earth and I would see kick caverns and
caves system where I'd be pulled down into this area
and I would end up in a cave or a
cavernous room and they would just mentally they I would
be paralyzed when this is going on, and they would
just absolutely torture me. And I remember them just like

(34:21):
pouring insects and doing just things just to get me
to be so extremely amped up with fear. It's like
they were feeding off of it. And that's the only
thing I can explain. I feel like that's what they
were doing to charge themselves up. So they saw a
little boy with a little light flicker and then they

(34:43):
were attracted to that, and then they used me to
amp up their energies as how I imagine it, and I
would wake up the next day in bed, but I
would remember it. But I never told my parents or
anything about any of the stuff because I didn't even
understand and it myself, and they would have just said,
you're dreaming anyways. But it was very frightening and terrifying,

(35:06):
and I'm still to day frightened of the knowing that
I truly believe that there are things like that out
there and they enjoy tormenting that is. Yeah, Oh, I
just get the willies thinging about it to this day.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
Frankly, Barry, was there ever any physical marks or your
clothes messed up or anything strange the next day after
they would float you out and do whatever they were
doing to you.

Speaker 3 (35:35):
That's a good question. But because I was so young
and nobody I do not remember that, and nobody my
parents certainly never address or remember, and you know, I
didn't have a conversation with them about it either. I
do remember telling my grandmother the psychic somewhere at a

(35:57):
young age straight around that time that I thinks were
coming to me at night, and she gave me some
religious charms to put under my pillow to protect that.
I must have felt comfortable to tell her for some reason,
but I don't remember. Ever. I don't remember examining my
own body, seeing anything or anything like that. But it's

(36:21):
a good question, and I wish I could. It would
be interesting if that was the case, and it very
well could have been, but I do not know the
answer to it.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
Even things like the old man clutching his chest and
walking towards you. Did you ever overhear anyone else in
your family, especially your parents, people that you would In
some cases, some people know they can't go to because
they've tried and they were shot down because they were
told it was all in their imagination. But did they
ever talk about strange things going on in the house,

(36:53):
or oh were you up last night? And whatever it was?
Did they ever speak about it?

Speaker 3 (36:58):
No, not at all, not at this time. No, they
did not. And we were living in an apartment at
that time. My parents, like I say, were young, in
their early twenties. They got their own problems, struggling parents.
They would just I do remember being frightened and calling
for my dad a couple times and saying that I
saw something, and he would just be like, you're just

(37:19):
having a dream, and give me a glass of water
or whatever, turn the light out, and then that would
be it. So there was never any real conversation about that,
but I somehow I must have reached out. My grandmother
probably knew, maybe she started the conversation, but she wanted
to give me some Now, that's the thing about my grandmother.
She had this amazing psychic ability. But she was a

(37:42):
very devout flick and of course, hundreds of years ago
she would have been burnt as a witch probably, but
she so she would go to church and all the time,
and sometimes it would take me to church. When I
was a little kid. I always thought it was a
strange thing going on there. I didn't understan and everything
was they were doing. But she gave me some charms

(38:04):
to put under my pillow to protect that. The only
thing that I remember about that one thing about the
man holding his chest. I do believe that the elder
man that lived upstairs in the apartment, he was an alcoholic.
His daughter bisatus a number of times, and she had

(38:26):
a brother lived there, and I think that old man
died of a massive heart attack up there in that apartment.
So it's probably who I saw coming through my kids
through into my bedroom. It was probably the old man
that lived up there that died. I don't know for sure,
but that I thought about. Reflecting on all that, I thought, well,

(38:48):
that that seems like that might be the case in
that for with that.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
Yeah, that definitely tracks, that's for sure. So it looks
like you guys moved from that apartment and then as
you say, you guys did move then into a house.
But it seems like this is quite an active house
for other reasons than just the living folk that were there.

Speaker 3 (39:09):
Yeah, I will say before we jumped to that just
and we're just going to touch on this lightly because
I want to go back and talk more in detail
about it. But I do believe that I also had
experiences while living in that apartment where alien looking beings
came and they took me out of then and now

(39:33):
I know this as an abduction. At the time I
did not understand, but I would be paralyzed, elevated out
of my bed, floated out through the wall, and end
up on a examination table and beings would stand there
and they were doing some type of experimental procedures and

(39:56):
they would. I remember laying there and just say, lace,
they still don't move and they won't hurt you in
my head. And see again, I didn't know what any
of that was until later on when I read about that,
and all sudden it dawned on me. Oh my gosh,
those early childhood memories are real. I thought I would

(40:20):
mention it and we can go back to this at
a later date when we get into that whole subject.
But that happened as well, just to add to my
collection of strangeness.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
Yeah, see, that was my fault. I crossed that off
thinking that it's so similar to what you were just
describing with the bullet point about the dark entities that
towrdsure you mentally, it's very similar to what you just
said with the aliens.

Speaker 3 (40:45):
Yeah, this was two different things that was going on.
The dark things were pulling me down into a dark,
cavernous place, and it seemed like it was all in
some spiritual way. The other beings. I ended up in
a lit room on an examination like a metallic examination,

(41:09):
cold table, and had beings around me. I remember being
frightened to look at them. But everything that with regarding
that jives with almost every abduction case you ever heard of,
and now, of course it's all seems very surreal, and
then you wake up in the next morning and there

(41:31):
you are in bed again. But yeah, that's a whole
that we can get into that subject on another episode
if you would like, and we can go down the
whole rabbit hole with that. But will can go jump
into my other childhood home if.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
You're ready, Yeah, go right ahead.

Speaker 3 (41:51):
Yeah, So I was. It was we moved into this house.
My parents bought their first home in nineteen sixty eight
in western New York. And again this was exciting for
them to buy their home. They just my mother just
had given birth not long before with my youngest brother,

(42:13):
and so there's four of us children. We've run out
a room in this little apartment and my parents buy
this house and they brought us to see the home
for the first time. And I'm seven years old, and
I looked at the house and the first thing that
came out of my mouth was I don't like this house,

(42:34):
which really pissed off my dad. And so I think
I think I got chastised for that, and which is
why I remember saying that, and it was just the
first impression that I got from the house was not
a good one, and so I at that point, us children,
from the moment we moved in, we knew that something

(42:57):
wasn't right with the house. Of course, as time went on,
we tried to explain this, and I'm sure this is
like a broken record where the parents wouldn't listen to
anything the children would say kind of thing, but it's
really what was going on at certain point as things
started to escalate for us kids and we had nowhere

(43:18):
to go, and which makes it even scarier for the children.
You understand if you've got kids and you don't want
them to be scared, but this makes the more frightened.
So anybody listening to this that has children that tell
them that something's going on, you should at least pay
attention and acknowledge what they're saying, because you just don't

(43:39):
know what children might be experiencing. And I think a
lot of children are open to things where adults might
not be. But we went through a whole crazy list
of things that would happen. We had Every night we
would hear footsteps coming up the stairs. My parents' bedroom
was downstairs off of the living room and the children's

(44:01):
rooms were upstairs, and we would hear steps creaking up.
Something was coming up the stairs every night, and once
he got up there, it would pace around in the
hallway and we could see shadows of footsteps walking across
our door, stepping in front of the door, and just
standing in front of the door. At times, sometimes our

(44:24):
doors would open up and it would come into our room.
And I was interviewing just see my sisters, just this way,
I interview my siblings, and my sister said, I just
remember laying in bed in a silent scream as this
man ghosts, brooding man ghosts would come up and he

(44:45):
would stand over you and I. So that's what my
memory is as well. So we all remember going through that,
and it's really terrifying. You could see the shadow passing
around in the a light in the hallway or on
the on your wall in your room, and you're laying

(45:05):
there and you're afraid to move, You're afraid to scream.
It's right there in your face, and oftentimes I would
be afraid to just I would be afraid to look.
It's there. You could feel its presence, and it's it's
just such a deep level of fear that takes over
you when something like that's going on. It felt very

(45:29):
There was a deep, I don't know, depression or sat
some deep feeling that was attached to that figure. And
so we knew that there was a man there, and
we gave him a name, and the name sounded like
a child's wild imagination. But later on I ended up

(45:51):
finding out that the name that we gave him actually
matched the real person that passed away in the house.
So us kids were onto something, and other things that
would happen. We would hear sounds of just all kinds
of noise. I remember a number of occasions doors would
just slam our middle of the night. My brother and
I shared a room, and we were in shared bunk beds,

(46:14):
and my little brother was on the bottom bunk, and
it was the middle of the night, and our bedroom
door slammed really hard, and of course, we quietly, fearfully
got up and opened and looked around, and there was
nobody awake. Everybody was in bed sleeping, and my parents
are downstairs, so no explanation as to what was going

(46:35):
on with that. And there were many nights when I
would lay awake and I would hear muffled voices. You
could never understand what they were saying, but it sounded
like a gathering of people standing. I just imagine them
standing around looking at me in my room, but you

(46:56):
couldn't tell where they were coming, if they were coming
out of the walls or out of sometimes out of
our closet. It was just sounded like a conversation with
three or four people. It was always muffled, and you
could never really understand what was being said, except for
I often felt like the conversation was about us children

(47:19):
or about because I was only experiencing from my experience,
but my siblings all remember similar types of things going
on as well.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
Now, did you not want to share that section where
there was the name that you guys gave the brooding
man and then you ended up finding out later that
tight in or was that still coming?

Speaker 3 (47:41):
Now? Yeah, I'm happy I'll share that. Yes, he named
him mister Wolf, And of course my parents really got
angry with us anytime we would say mister wolf did that.
Of course it sounds like child's wild imagination, mister Wolfe's
mad wolf did this and all that. Parents. You know,

(48:02):
I don't want to hear that anymore, stop talking about
this stuff. And actually my younger, one of my sisters,
they're all younger than me, but one of my sisters,
she went to teach her teacher in school in grade
school and told the teacher that our house was haunted
and there was a man named mister Wolf that was

(48:23):
coming into our room that night and stuff, and the
teacher went to the school counselor they called our parents,
and then she got in a lot of trouble for
this and got yelled at. We were not allowed to
talk about this at all. And I never told any
of my friends because even at that age, I didn't
want to be the weird kid. And none of the

(48:45):
kids wanted to play at my house anyways. They come
there once and they'd never come back, but they all
got a vibe off of the But yes, my poor sister,
she got into trouble for talking about that. But we
were tormented. We lived there from sixty eight to nineteen
seventy four, and we had that's a chunk of your good,
chunk of your young childhood. And we went through a

(49:08):
lot of stuff while we were there. Some of the
some cases like we had like every babysitter that every babysit.
Really did they ever come back? Now, some of that
might because we were just a brady bunch of kids,
but in other cases, I know they got freaked out
because of the weirdness in the house. And one of

(49:30):
those cases was my aunt, who was actually quite young
and she was a teenager when we were kids. Her
and her friend they got locked into a back room
on the first floor of the house, and we believed
that mister Wolf died in that back room. It was
always cold. My dad used it just to use it

(49:53):
for storage because nobody ever wanted to be in there.
I think it was supposed to have been some kind
of an office for him, but it just was always
cold in that room. And off of that room was
the laundry machines, and there was a toilet and a sink,
so it's supposed to be like a half bath or something,
but it was nobody who ever, as children didn't want

(50:13):
to go in anywhere in there. I think that my
aunt and her friend went back there to smoke cigarettes
without us kids singing, but they ended up locked in
the room in the in this little laundry room, and
they were stuck in there, and we didn't do anything,
and there was This was a really old house. It

(50:34):
was built in nineteen oh six, so unless you had
the skeleton key to open the door up, which we
did not, so they were freaking out and they blamed
us children for what happened. We eventually somehow we got
the door broken open or whatever. Actually, I think from
my now that I'm saying that, I think it just

(50:56):
all sudden. It just opened on its own. Now, yeah,
and so that was interesting. But I do remember hearing
my mother one time talking on the phone. I came
she didn't know I was listening in, and then I
when I realized she was talking about something strange that
happened in the house. I spied on her and was

(51:17):
listening to what she said. My younger brother was not
in school yet, so he was home during the day
and my mother was downstairs and my brother was upstairs
in what we it was supposed to have been in
his bedroom, but no nobody He never slept in there.
He ended up in my room, so we called it

(51:38):
the playroom. But the playroom was very creepy place, and
you know, they had gas. They had pipes sticking out
of the wall where gas lanterns would have been used
at one point in time, and my parents never got
around to painting this room, so it was like a
dark forest green color, and there's just a cheerful place

(51:58):
for children to want to play. My mother heard my
brother upstairs playing with somebody and talking to someone, and
she got curious and she went to go see what
my brother was doing. And when she got up the stairs,
she could hear what sounded like two kids playing in

(52:21):
the room, but the door was closed, and when she
went to try to open the door was locked. She
couldn't open the door, and she was yelling for my
brother to open the door, and she was struggling to
open the door up. And then I think, I've this
sounds like one of the typical horror movies or something.
And then the door opened up and my brother was

(52:41):
sitting in the middle of the room playing with some toys.
And when my mother was like freaked out, she was like,
what are you doing? What's going on? What are you
playing with He looked like he was afraid to answer
my mom as to He kept looking over to wherever
the boy was. She he was afraid to tell her

(53:05):
what it was. It was funny as an adult. I
asked my brother about this a couple of years ago,
and he goes, yeah, he didn't always play nice with me,
and so we believed that there was a boy ghost
in the house. And this boy liked to play with
our toys at night. And one one time, my brother

(53:27):
and I were in bed. Now we had a closet
that was attached to our bedroom that ran the length
of the house to the other room on the second floor,
which was my sister's bedroom. And this closet was creepy,
is all get It was like it was you. It
was like the roof. It went to the shape of the roof,
so it was angled, so you'd have to bend over,

(53:50):
even as a kid would you'd have to bend over
to walk through there, and any adult would have to
really crawl around in there. It was just it was
used as storage mostly, but there was a window in
the center which gave it a just kind of strange,
creepy glow. But the corners of the closet were pitch black,
and you always felt like there's something in there. And

(54:11):
we here, we go in there to get our toys
and stuff. But it was Christmas time and we got
some new toys, and one of the toys was a
very specific It was a tin metal game that was
like a hockey game where you pull levers and it's
the noise is very specific, and we would one kid

(54:32):
would be on one side and the other kid would
you be pulling these levers and moving the figures around
and shooting to try to score. And at night we
heard muffled noises like a conversation going on in the closet,
and then we started hearing the levers going off with
our brand new games and the toys that we got
for Christmas being played with in the closet, and we

(54:56):
sat up and we listened to this for a good
while at It's just so creepy to realize, and we
were like, mister Wolf and the boy are playing our games.
It's such a strange conversation to have his children. But
if any one of you could pick up the phone
and call my siblings right now and tell you everything,

(55:16):
I just said, just the same. That was one of
the things that was going on. We would hear just
other toys, ball bouncing around in the house and so forth,
just very strange things. And we were terrified of the
basement of the house. That basement just gave you the creeps.

(55:37):
And the door to the basement was in our kitchen
and we had a dog. He was a German shepherd,
and he would bark at that door all the time
and growl at it. Sometimes you would sit there and
sit guard by the door, and the basement door many
times would be found open in the mornings or just

(55:59):
during the daytime said the basement door would be open.
And the basement was absolutely terrifying everybody, just all us children.
I don't I'm sure my parents weren't thrilled about it either,
but I just remember having to go down there for
some reason at times, and there was a crawl space

(56:21):
in there that just look you just kind of I
felt like, whatever this dark thing was, it stayed in
this black cave of a crawl space in the basement.
And yeah, we always felt really uncomfortable about that. And
that is just one of those things. Don't down, don't

(56:42):
go into the basement. And that's how we felt about it.
And my father was a rough and tumble guy, six
foot two, a tough blue collar, a guy that did
heating and air conditioning and plumbing. And you know, I
would go with him sometimes as a kid to work
with him on the weekend or something and try to
hand them the tools, which I never got. But I

(57:02):
remember he was trying to do something down in the
basement and wanted me to help him, and he wanted
me to climb into the crawl space because he was
too big and his back was hurting him. He wanted
me to take a flashlight and go into this crawl space.
As a kid, and I was probably about eleven years
old or so, maybe at this point ten eleven years old,

(57:23):
and I was absolutely terrified. But I can't say but
mister Wolf and the ghost, then I would really be
in trouble. So I had to face one of my
worst nightmares to go into this saying, there's all these
spiders that are albino like and never seen the light
of day type things, and just horrible studa and antique

(57:46):
pieces of furniture and mounds of dirt in there. It
was who knows old bottles in there. I had to
go in there way to the back and look at
some wiring or something and tell my dad. I don't
know what that was all about, but it just that
got nothing happened, But now every hair on your body
was standing up, and I knew that I was entering

(58:08):
its layer, if you will, and it was not a good,
comfortable feeling. And then all the crescendo. There's so many
experiences through the years living in that house, you could
never tell you all of them. But one of the
big moments that happened there was we were all watching
television in the middle of the day. My father was

(58:30):
there and us children. I guess it probably was on
a weekend, and my mother was working as a waitress
in a restaurant, so we were all watching something early seventies,
probably Brady Bunch, I don't know what, who knows, but
we're watching some show, that program on TV. I was
the closest to the entrance of the living room, which

(58:54):
from watching from my perspective watching a television set, it
would be to my left. And we were all sitting
in the room and something caught the corner of my
eye and I turned to look at what it was.
I saw some movement, and as strange as this sounds,

(59:15):
this is what I saw and we all saw it.
So I looked over and there was this ball of energy,
a sphere floating slowly into the roombly about three to

(59:35):
four feet up off the air. Actually, I was sitting
in a chair, so it would have been so I'm
a eleven year old boy, it would have been almost
right in front of my face heightwise, and this thing
just slowly comes towards me, and I'm sitting there looking
in shock at it, and it looked like an electrical storm,

(59:59):
almost like a cloud in there, and almost as if
there was lightning illuminating this cloud. Oh, it was so weird.
But to make things even stranger, I feel embarrassed to it.
But this is what I remember. And I got a
very good look at it because it was right in

(01:00:19):
front of my face during the daytime. It had eyes
in it, and I don't know if I yelled out.
I think I jumped up out of my seat, and
my dad saw it. We all ended up seeing it.
My dad saw it and he jumped up, and this thing,
at that point got startled, and it took off, and

(01:00:42):
it went right past all of us and into our
parents' bedroom and went around a door that was partially closed,
went around into my parents' bedroom, and my father and
I jumped up and we ran into hit their bedroom.
My little brother ran after us, and this thing went
into the closet and it started moving things in the closet,

(01:01:06):
moving stuff around in the closet, and it went in
some clothing, and then it went into a paper bag,
and my dad grabbed the bag and he looked into
it and nothing was there. And my father had the
look of shock on his face. And at this point
I dropped the big F bomb on him, which would

(01:01:27):
have got me. I would have got my butt whooped
if this ever would have happened any other time. But
I just said, I'm not going to repeat that because
I'm try to be good about language here, but I
just said, I E fing told you this effing place
was haunted, and you never listened to us, You never
believed us. What was that? And my Dad's like, it

(01:01:48):
was a bird. I'm like, this was no bird. No,
it's no bird. Birds have wings, birds have beaks. That
was no bird. Don't even try that with me. I
was just so angry, and I was and my dad
the color drained out of his face and he refused
to talk about it though after that, you know, that's
the thing that just drove me crazy. I was like,

(01:02:09):
even after that, he wouldn't talk about it. He could
not bring himself to talk about it. Years later, I
made him confess this in front of my wife because
I was like, I'm tired of feeling like I'm crazy,
because my poor wife had a one night after we
were dating seriously and stuff. Somewhere along the line, I got,

(01:02:30):
you know, I had to confess that weird things happened
around me. But you know, Jesus, she's gonna leave me
because of this. I don't know, because now she's going
to have to have weird things going on. But my dad,
he reluctantly said, looked like one of them weird drawings
you do did back then. And I was like, I
always did weird drawings. What do you mean what weird drawings? Says?

(01:02:51):
Those things that looked like a cloud with eyeballs in it.
And I was drawing these silly cartoon things. They actually
had feet, and they were doing tests things like baby
protesting baby food or something stupid, little humorous. But they
looked like a weird, little cloudy looking form with ice.

(01:03:12):
And so I said, so you're saying you saw a
cloud with eyes and he said, yeah, it was around
ball thing that had eyes. My siblings did not remember that,
but I got the My dad and I saw it first,
and I got the longest view of this thing slowly

(01:03:33):
coming into the room, and then the others saw it,
but by then it sped up and it just flew
past them. So my dad finally admitted what he saw,
and it matched what I saw. So, as bizarre as
it is, that's what happened.

Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
Do you know if he mentioned that incident to your mom, you.

Speaker 3 (01:03:57):
Know it's weird. I my parents had a very troubled marriage.
I don't know what they talked about. We unfortunately experienced
a lot of matter of fact, as children, we believed
that the house was affecting our father and our mother,
probably all of us in a negative way. We never
saw the movie The Shining or anything like that, but

(01:04:18):
we believed and we talked about this as children. The
conversations that haunted children have between each other is incredible.
That's a whole little story within it. But we thought
that mister Wolfe was affecting our dad, and so we
were dealing with not only the haunting stuff, but also

(01:04:39):
times of fighting and things get got very negative at times,
and ultimately my parents end up divorced, and that's how
we ended up leaving that property when the time came.
But so I don't know whether but my mother, as
I said, I overheard her talking on the phone to
a friend who told she was telling that friend that

(01:05:03):
something weird had happened with my brother upstairs in the house.
So she knew something was going on in the house,
and my dad knew something was going on in the house.
They had to have but they refused to talk to
us about it. But whether they talk to each other
or not, I don't know. My mother was an atheist.
She never believed in anything, but she did I try

(01:05:24):
to have conversations through the years. She never wanted to
talk about any of this stuff, but she did admit
that there was something wrong with that house. But she
would never openly speak to me about anything.

Speaker 2 (01:05:38):
Sadly, Oh that makes sense. I think that's more often
the case than everyone is chatting with each other and
everyone is up to date on what's going on overnight,
and everyone's comfortable talking about it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:51):
Sure, and there were many years that we just never
addressed it, but I was always the one that would
come back and go. We had a weird childhood, right siblings,
and they were like heck yeah, and then I would
check with them in twenty twenty three. Actually started in
twenty twenty two. No, even before that. In twenty eleven,

(01:06:14):
I wrote a letter. I began an investigation of my
childhood home. But in twenty eleven, I just wrote a
letter and mailed it to the house to whoever lived there,
which is a very strange thing to do. Can imagine
getting this letter. I tried to be nonchalant about it,
but I thought, I wonder if the people living there

(01:06:35):
are still dealing with the haunting in the house. So
I wrote a letter and hello, my name is such
and such, And I grew up in that house as
a child, and we had fun in the neighborhood, playing
with all the kids and blah blah blah. But as
children we remember looking back as children, we feel that
we experienced some very strange things in the house. And

(01:06:57):
I was wondering, if you've ever had any strange experiences.
If so, here's my email address, you're welcome, or my
phone number, you're welcome to content. I actually ended up
getting a reply from a woman that moved in there
with her two sisters, and she was very pleasant and
she said, oh yeah, we've lived, We've moved in here

(01:07:17):
two years ago, and she says, we like it here.
But then she says, yeah, we have had a few
odd things happen here at that time. And she explained
that the sink in the bathroom upstairs bathroom would turn
on by itself all the time, and she saw an

(01:07:40):
apparition of a woman going down the stairs that she
thought was her sister, and then realized that it wasn't.
But at the time she still seemed pretty okay with things.
As time went on, I got back in touch with her.
Years went by again, and then two thousand, the very
beginning of twoenty twenty three, so the end of twenty

(01:08:03):
twenty two, I decided to do a historic search on
about my house, and I contacted the local historic society
and paid them a little bit of money to do
a search on the home and the history, and they
gave me a list of all the people that lived
in that house from the day that was sold the

(01:08:26):
first time, from nineteen oh seven all the way up
until the present time when I was conducting my search,
and this whole thing opened up a Pandora's box of
crazy stuff that happened, and to this day, literally just
this two days ago, and it was still going on

(01:08:48):
here with me that I had no idea what I
was getting into. But I'm going to start to explain
some of this investigation with you. One of the things
I found out that several people died in the home
through the years, and there was a Swedish immigrant family
that moved in the first people that moved into this home,

(01:09:11):
and it had been built in nineteen oh six, and
within a number of months in nineteen oh seven, they
purchased the house and there was a husband and wife
and their two sons lived there. And I found out
in the research that one of the sons went off

(01:09:33):
to train for World War One in San Antonio, Texas,
and before he ever went off to Europe, the Spanish
flu happened to take over the country, and it started
in the San Antonio where a military traintings was going on.

(01:09:54):
A huge outbreak of Spanish flu happened there. And anyways,
this poor young man in his twenties died and they
ended up having his funeral or his wake, I guess
if you will, in the living room of this house.
So they shipped his body back and I ended up
having awake in the living room of the house. So

(01:10:15):
that was something. And to make matters worse, he was
a newlywed and he had a Swedish bride that was
left allow she was left to live with his parents
in the home, and so that happened. So there was
already sorrow and pain that have started to begin in
this new home from an early start. And interestingly, yeah,

(01:10:43):
both the husband and the wife died in the nineteen
thirties in the home. Now you've got already have quite
a history. And then I found out that a man
died in the home one year before my parents bought
the house, and he died at a young age in
the room that us children believed was where the man died.

(01:11:08):
So we were correct again and the name matched, so
there was that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:15):
And then so sorry Berry, so that that was mister Wolf. Yeah, wow,
holy smokes. And you guys just you thought you just
pulled that name out of the ether just for fun.
It's mister Wolf. But that was his actual last name.

Speaker 3 (01:11:31):
Yeah, the only difference was the spelling, but the name. Yeah.
And so yes see I should say this too. My siblings,
we I think we all have we all had experiences
and I think we you know, some of us address
the abilities, you know a little more than others. I
know that one of my sisters was a hospice nurse

(01:11:53):
and that she's had several ESP experiences, if you will. Also,
she's willing to talk with me about it. But I
think we all have had experiences of some sort. Seems
like for some reason, I've had the brunt of them,
but I'm also more willing to talk about them. A
lot of people clam up about this stuff, but as

(01:12:15):
children and as adult siblings now, we talk about these
things and I bring it up, and I told them, hey,
I'm logging all this stuff. I think I'm going to
write about, you know, just you know. So I got
them separately to tell me all their memories and then
we come together as a family and talk about them

(01:12:35):
a bit afterwards. But I tried to interview my siblings
separately to get their take on everything, just so I
could compare notes with them. So, yes, there was a
lot of tragedy. And to top that tragedy off, gosh,
there was a death of a boy that been from

(01:12:59):
an accident. And I don't want to say too much
because I don't want to that that could affect somebody
who's living at this point. But again another tragedy attached
to the home, and we believed that there was a
boy ghosts there, and all these little odd things that

(01:13:23):
started to give me some confirmation were happening. And so
then I ended up making contact with three different families
that lived in that house after me, which was really interesting. Now,
the first lady I told you I sent a letter

(01:13:44):
to she gave me some light. Oh yeah, we're happy here,
blah blah blah. When I recontacted her in two thousand
and beginning of twenty twenty three, she had moved out
of there by this point, but she said, my life
has been ruined since I lived in that house. And
she told me she thought there was a portal to
Hell in there and that her life was They had

(01:14:07):
all kinds of terrible things. She did not feel she
was very religious, she did not feel very comfortable talking
about this stuff, and she didn't like to talk about
the paranormal. I'm just trying to come to find out
what actually was going on and have validation on which
she did admit, yes, we had a lot of things
that happened there, but I was unable to get her

(01:14:30):
to really share too much with me, that particular first
woman that I had gotten in touch with. Now, let
me see, I just said, have some notes here, But
I think that the first lady lived there maybe about
six years, and like I said, she believed that there

(01:14:54):
was something down in the basement that was very negative,
and that there was sels of something up into the
bathroom and the upstairs, which was again other people have
said something about that bathroom to me as well, so
I thought that was god sting. But she said that, yeah,
her light went downhill after living in that house. I

(01:15:16):
tried to get her to talk with me again, but
she stopped answering my messages at that point, like this
crazy guy keeps pestering me. And then there was this
the next family which they had several children, and they
lived in this house for many years. The mother told
me that she never saw any kind of an apparition,

(01:15:38):
but she felt that there was things going on in
the house, but that her children. Two of her children
communicated with me and they both told me that they
remembered a scary man in a boy ghost in the house,
and they had many other just any crazy things. The

(01:16:01):
kids and the mom. She admitted a few some odd
things that were going would happen, But again she said
she never saw anything. And a couple of the things.
This one's kind of of course. The children, the one
daughter she refused to sleep upstairs in her rooms, would
not sleep in her room. That happened to be my

(01:16:24):
sister's bedroom, which was go up the creepy steep staircase
and you end up. My room was to the very
first right, in my sister's room to the first left,
and our closets met and they were connected. And yes,
her children both admitted they saw a man and a

(01:16:46):
boy ghost. They also were frightened, very frightened at the basement.
And the woman's husband, who was really a tough guy.
He was a tough guy. He would not want to
ever admit this, but she told me that he was
downstairs in one of the rooms. I think he was

(01:17:10):
watching television on the couch. Actually, she said she and
he were watching television on the couch, so I'm assuming
it was a living room, and she fell asleep and
he was sitting there and he looked over and in
the corner of the room there was a woman standing
there staring at him and scared the bejeebas out of him,

(01:17:34):
and he said that she looked like she was wearing
what he thought looked like a wedding dress, an old
fashioned wedding dress, and that she was a young woman.
And she faded into the wall, and at that point
she said, he never wanted to talk about this ever. Again,
this is pretty wild and interestingly about that family. It's

(01:18:01):
this stuff kept unfolding as I conducted my interviews with
the people. What the woman told me that she had
a family member brought their dog, and she had a dog,
and they whom all got got along well. But she
put the dogs up into her daughter's room, the daughter

(01:18:22):
that didn't want to ever be up in that room upstairs.
And this is really gross, but she said that the
dogs both got dreamly ill and just made a disastrous
mess of the entire room. That was very unlike the

(01:18:45):
dogs and very strange. And she could not understand, almost
as if they were poisoned or something. But something affected
the dogs to where they got very ill. And I
can't say that was paranormal or not, but just telling
you what I was told. She thought it was very
strange and interesting. Again, I did speak to the but

(01:19:07):
I did communicate with both of her children, and they
said they had vivid memories of seeing ghostly apparitions in
the house and experienced other things, and they did not
like that basement. They were terrified of the basement. One
of the something that came to light after that which

(01:19:27):
was fascinating was there was a woman who I had
contact with in twenty twenty four who also witnessed a
female and I'll read what she said to sent to me.
She says, she was sleeping on the couch watching teach.

(01:19:49):
She was watching television. All the lights were turned off
in the house. She was watching television, and she woke
up and there was a woman standing there staring had her,
and she was wearing a white or light yellow, long
victorian looking dress, and she had a hat that had

(01:20:13):
flowers in it. And she described she had an incredible
memory and described this young woman. She said she looked
like she was in her twenties and she was wearing
these clothes. She only saw the ghost one time, and
she was not scared when she saw her and did

(01:20:35):
not feel threatened by the apparition. She said she had
brown hair and fair complexion, and she said she asked
she could see the television through her glowing through her,
and she asked who she was and what she wanted,
and the woman turned and just walked through the wall.

(01:20:57):
I don't know if she was a conscious enter or
if she's part of a residual haunting, but that's two
people who witnessed this woman that seemed like she might
be in some type of a Victorian dress. It could
possibly be maybe a wedding dress. And I feel that

(01:21:19):
she was a Swedish immigrant girl married the young man
that died while from the Spanish flu. That's my feeling.
It could be that young soldier's mother who died of
she died of old age in the house, but maybe
she shows herself as a young person. May but it

(01:21:41):
was definitely one of these Swedish immigrant women. I think
it was the I think it was Headwig, the young bride,
but I can't prove that at this point in time
and probably never will be. But that's my feeling that
and then seeing the bod having the wake in the

(01:22:03):
living room of the house, it just kind of brings
a lot of pain and sorrow attached to that.

Speaker 2 (01:22:11):
But that is wild to get confirmation from separate people
who you've never spoken to before, and they're like, yeah,
there's this kind of grumpy man and there's this little boy.

Speaker 3 (01:22:21):
And that's the mind blower. And everybody said, oh my gosh,
we have validation. We have validation. Thank you so much
for contacting us. This is mind blowing. And I said, yeah,
for me too. I said, it's just not just one
direction here that I'm getting validation for me and my
siblings as well. It is mind blowing that. Wow, we

(01:22:42):
were right one hundred percent. We were little kids, but
we called it, and yes, this makes you go, this
is real. And I'll tell you what. It just keeps
getting crazier as we go. I don't know how we're
doing for tiring, No, keep going, all right? So then
I contact the third family, and now all this took

(01:23:04):
place in twenty twenty three. I began my first I
sent a letter out randomly in twenty eleven, but I
never followed up on that. I was busy with career working,
and I didn't know what to do with that information
other than okay, yeah, something's still going on in that house.
But when I was getting ready to retire, I decided

(01:23:25):
and I discovered the wonderful world of podcasts. I thought,
I started listening to people's and I thought, I've had
a lot of weird things going on, and I thought
I started to just reflect on them and started writing
down on lists of things, and then all these memories,
and I started interviewing friends and family who experienced things

(01:23:49):
with me, and suddenly that opened up an interesting thing.
Then and I decided to investigate my home. And as
I said, I opened up a Pandora's box of wild information.
So this third family, this is where things really ramp up.
It seems like whatever was in that house, it just

(01:24:12):
kept ramping up and ramping up through the years. I'm
feeding off of many matter of fact, the historians said, Wow,
I've never We've do a lots of searches on old holmes.
I've never seen so many people move in and out
of a house before this house. And she's curious about
what was going on in the house, and I hinted

(01:24:33):
that I didn't want to get into telling her too much.
A little small town my rumors or whatever. So I'm
trying to figure out what the history of this house
was and understand my memories as a child. She's on
there several people that died there and there's a whole
lot of people that moved in and out of that
house through the years. It seemed like it was getting

(01:24:55):
they were in the beginning. The first family lived there
for thirty years and then but it seems like this
was getting shorter and shorter towards the end. And of
course then people rented the place, and there was some
years where it was vacant for a couple of years time,
and one time the price was reduced way down and
somebody's just really trying to get rid of the house.

(01:25:16):
So this is before we even moved in. It makes
you say stuff was probably going on in that house
for a very long time. And I, again, it's very interesting.
But so I contacted the third family, and it took
me some investigative work to find people's phone numbers and names,

(01:25:37):
and I was a bit of a salute going through
all this stuff. I had a project that I created
for myself, and I managed to send a text message
to a woman and she replied to me, and she
said that she was driving and got the message and
she glanced and then she said she had to pull

(01:25:59):
over and she started crying and she said, oh my gosh,
I can't believe you know. I just said again lightly, Hey,
I see that you lived at this house, and I
lived there as a child, and my siblings and I
have some interesting memories of that place, and we wonder
I'm just curious if anything unusual happened there. That's what

(01:26:22):
opened the floodgate for her. She started crying, and then
she responded to me and said, yes, I moved in
there with my children, my mother. So she moved in
with her mother and I don't know if it's her
father or stepfather, and she moved in there with her
children in the house. So the mom and her husband

(01:26:45):
were living there for a bit, and then the kids
moved in, and the kids were afraid to be upstairs.
They didn't want to ever go upstairs. They were frightened. Now,
the grandmother, she said, the first week that they moved
in there, she the kids were there as well. I

(01:27:07):
guess they all moved into this house. But she woke
up in the early morning hours and heard a ball
bouncing on the stairway. It's like a kid throwing a
ball up there, and they would bounce down and then
they would throw it back up and bounce down. And
she woke up and she got up and she went
to go look, thinking it was one of the kids

(01:27:28):
that was awake early in the early morning hours making
this noise. When she got up, they were all in bed,
sound asleep, and there she was left, no ball to
be seen, no idea where that noise was coming from.
But something was playing with the ball, trying to get
her attention. Maybe she said it creeped her out, but

(01:27:52):
she didn't. She just had to move on and just
go Okay, I don't know what that was, and I whatever.
She Gosh, there's so many things that but that was
the beginning. Another thing that started to happen was that
they had a set of twins and they started to

(01:28:15):
see a mimic of one of the boys in the
house and he'd be running around and then they go
up and he'd be in bed sleeping. Now I don't
know if this boy was having out of the body
experiences and or if the entity in the house was

(01:28:36):
mimicking the boy, but that happens on several occasions for them,
and weirded them out quite a bit. And again, just
another odd thing. The grandmother told me that one time
she was looking out the window in the house and
I didn't ask her if it was at night or

(01:28:56):
during the day. But suddenly, while she was looking out
the window, she saw a man's face staring back at her,
and he looked like he had black eyes, and he
had a beard and a dark hair, dark curly hair,
staring back at her. And I wrote down blank eyes,

(01:29:17):
and I asked her again, so were they blank white?
And she said no, they're all black, which is pretty
pretty terrifying. And she said it's scared to crap out
of her. And she didn't know what to make of that,
but I think she knew there was something going on,
and they all knew that there was a boy ghost
there and a dark, brooding man as well, and the

(01:29:41):
grandmother and the daughter felt a connection with this little
boy and they felt sorry for it. And actually when
they told me when they moved out, they cried and
about it. But meanwhile they had been through so much
and yet they were worried about this child spirit. But

(01:30:02):
that's ni gets down the road before. They lived there
for a number of years, but they this is one
of the most terrifying things. They told me one day,
the mother, the children's mother, the daughter of the grandmother.
He had the twin boys. They were between the ages

(01:30:23):
of two and three years old, and she took her
eyes off of them for a bit and suddenly realized
it was quiet, and she went looking for them, and
they were missing. She was calling for them, and she
wasn't getting in any response, and she went around the
corner and went in and looked in the kitchen. The
basement door was open. She was calling for them. And

(01:30:50):
as she said earlier in the day that some man
was supposed to have gone into the basement to look
at some wiring or something. They rented this house. Somebody
was supposed to have come in there and did some
work in the basement, That's what she said. And she
thought maybe the guy left there without closing the basement door.

(01:31:13):
She didn't know, because she didn't see him leave, but
she was calling. And then she looked down into the basement.
She saw the two boys standing staring at the up
near the wall, staring into the crawl space, and they
were in a trance. And until she got down to

(01:31:33):
the bottom of the stairs to put her hands on them,
did they actually snap out of this trance? That is terrifying.

Speaker 2 (01:31:44):
You already knew about that crawl space didn't you. You
were like, that's no surprise.

Speaker 3 (01:31:50):
Actually, I have goosebumps on my arms right now. Every
time I just even hear the word crawl space, it
gives me goosebumps. And yes, I knew about this crawl space.
And when they told me this, just telling retelling it,
it gives me shivers. Really, I'd literally have goosebumps as

(01:32:12):
I'm talking about it. Absolutely frightening. And so she grabbed.
She was terrified and grabbed the kids, and she says
she called out several times, and upon grabbing a hold
of them, they came out of the trance. So that happened. Eventually,
they put a they put a lock on the door,
the basement door, and they said that they could hear

(01:32:35):
knocking on the door. Sometimes they would hear knocking on
the outside door, the entrance door, and they would hear
knocking on the basement door to let me out knocking.
So that happened.

Speaker 2 (01:32:47):
It's oh my goodness, Nope, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:32:50):
I'd exactly Nope. Yeah, this house, it's the house that
still haunts me here and this is for real and
just weird things. The daughter told me she found a
box of old photos in the basement and some dark
scary drawings in there as well. I don't know. I'm like,
were they drawings I did because I'm a weird kid,

(01:33:13):
But I have no idea whose photos they were, but
just little weird things notes that I had in there.
But the stories get even weirder. One day, the grandmother
she her brother in law needed a place to stay,

(01:33:34):
and she went up to go and clear out a
room on the second floor that was just being used
for storage. And she admitted, she goes, I admit that
we just used that as a storage place and we
threw all kinds of stuff up in there, and now
I had to go and clean this room out and
get it ready for the brother in law who was

(01:33:55):
having financial problems or whatever and he needed a place
to stay. So she said she had all kinds of
clothing that she had to sort through, and there was
a clothes from the kids, and clothes from the adults
and stuff. She began bagging old clothing to throw away
in big green garbage bags, and when she filled up

(01:34:17):
but a bag, she would just toss it down to
the bottom of the stairs and then go back in
the room and keep sorting through stuff. And by the
time she was done. She had a big pile of
garbage bags at the bottom of the stairs, which she
was going to go at that point take them all
out to the garage. But she told me that she

(01:34:41):
needed to get cleaned up. She was staying upstairs because
the children. None of the children were home at that point,
they were all in school, but she stayed up and
she slept up there. The kids would refuse to sleep
by themselves up there, so in order to get them
to sleep, she slept with her granddaughters up in their

(01:35:04):
room with them. And so she had all of her
stuff and she was gonna get dressed and cleaned up,
and the bathroom was upstairs, so she was gonna get
herself cleaned up a little bit before going downstairs. So
she was in there doing that, and then she came
back out to go down the stairs. When she looked
down the stairs, the bags were all gone. There were

(01:35:25):
no bags there. The only person else that was in
the house was her husband, and he was downstairs in
another room sleeping, and she was like, what the heck
is going on? And she ran down the stairs and
she turned the corner and in the center of the
living room was a bat where all the bags of clothing, Now,

(01:35:48):
those all have a lot of weight to them, so
you can imagine the energy and power that this thing
had the ability to do. It also would make things
disappear and appear, sometimes playfully, but in this case it
was just blew her mind. But she ran in and

(01:36:08):
woke her husband up and asked him if he did that,
and he's like, why the heck would I do that?
Now I was sleeping, and she was freaked out, and
she started yelling at the presence, saying, all right, geez,
if you were going to do that, you should have
just carried him out to the dan garage.

Speaker 2 (01:36:25):
Yeah, be all the way helpful, please.

Speaker 3 (01:36:27):
Yeah, clean the house for me. Please just do something.
You gonna help me. You're gonna do something helpful. And
so that that happened, just crazy stuff to where Now,
something else that takes me along in this station was
that the mom told me that they believed that the

(01:36:54):
one boy was being affected and had attachment, and he
had been acting unusual and locking himself up into a
room and seemed like he was maybe interacting with something
in the house. He was drawing very dark and scary

(01:37:14):
images of things, and there were many very frightening things
going on with them with the child, and she believed
that the boy was the thing that was attached to him,
but I'm not too sure of that. But something see,

(01:37:36):
after hearing everything that they told me, there was something
attached to the child. And so at this point, once
I learned that, I decided that I needed to help
them in any way I could. Right now. When I
made contact with him, they had moved out of the place,

(01:37:57):
but they had only been out of there for I
don't know, less than a year, and there was still
some connection or some kind of an attachment they believed
to the house regarded the boy. The mother and the
grandmother again, they were still thinking about the boy, press

(01:38:20):
that boy's spirit, and they actually the at one point said,
you know, we still felt torn about leaving the house.
Even though there was a point in time where all
of them slept in the living room. They gave up
sleeping upstairs and all of them slept in the middle
of the living room together. So that's how bad things

(01:38:42):
got for them. And it sounds like a horror movie,
but this is what they were going through right before
I made contact with them, and when I did, and
I found out that there was still stuff going on
with them and involving a At that point I started
seeking out the help of some psychics. So I got

(01:39:07):
a recommendation for a gentleman helps to remove attachments, and
he said he could do this remotely, and I thought,
we got nothing to lose, and they were not going
to charge anything to do it. But he said the
only thing I needed to do was get permission from

(01:39:30):
the mother to do that. And for some reason they
kept stalling, and the boy actually had a little bit
of a psychological breakdown right around this time, and while
just as I was trying to get them some help,
the child ended up. But I said, I do not

(01:39:53):
mention anything about ghosts or anything, or take them to
a hospital, and he was assessed by a doctor and
so in any case, luckily things calmed down. He's good now.
But at the time they were going through a lot
of stressful situation that was happening, and so I made

(01:40:17):
contact with the psychic and he said he was willing
to help, and I was trying to get them to
do something well. In the meantime, I ended up taking
a trip up north and went and met with them
in person, and this is where things got really crazy

(01:40:38):
for me because when I got up there, I felt
like whatever's in that house was trying to stop me
from my mission, which was to help this family. And
one example of things, I met with birds that were
friends of mine that still own their house acrosses from

(01:41:00):
my childhood home. And we were sitting out there talking
and we never told any of our friends from childhood
about our life there. But we were all sitting out
on their porch and looking at that house, and I
know all this stuff's going on, and I wasn't going
to say anything, But somehow in conversation, my siblings joined us,

(01:41:21):
and we were talking as a family with family on
their porch. We sent that house's haunt and they're like, what, really,
you never told us that, And so we started to
tell him a little bit and then my sister said, whoa,
he's got some paranormal investigating equipment in the car, and
which I brought a few items with me when I

(01:41:43):
went up there. I brought a meilmeter and I don't
know what else. Did I bring a rempod anyways, something
to check for EMF and temperature. You know, I didn't
have money for a lot of expensive equipment. And I
didn't have a lot of room to put it in
my baggage or anything. Make I was afraid what they

(01:42:04):
would see when they looked at my bag and see
some rempod, like what is that? But in any case,
our friends made me get the stuff out and they
wanted me to go through their house. And I went
up through their home from the attic all the way
through the house and not a blip on anything. And
I was like, your house is good to go, And
I said, well, I had it out. I thought, I'm

(01:42:26):
just going to walk across the street. And as soon
as I started walking in that direction, the equipment started
going and then going and going. It was ramping up
to where when I got up near the front of
the house, it was going crazy. It just was absolutely
going crazy. I don't know, could it have been wiring
up above me? Any things possible. I was outdoors, but

(01:42:47):
it just seemed like I was right at the front
of the house. This stuff was just full throt. And
then I started to just ask a few little things.
I didn't want to draw attention to me. I heard
that there somebody else living in there, and I didn't
want any problems, but I asked a few questions. It
seemed like this thing was reacting to it. But we

(01:43:08):
decided to wrap up that and just put everything away.
But I went to go I think sometime right after that.
Actually I was driving. Everybody had to go work or
something by myself, and I was dry, and I leisurely
drive out and about, and I just happened to be

(01:43:32):
driving past the cemetery and I looked over. I saw
the cemetery, and I remembered that my childhood Boogeyman, if
you will, I think I saw that he was buried
in that particular cemetery. And I pulled in, and I
shouldn't have done this, but I said, show me where

(01:43:52):
you are. And I looked around, and I thought, this
is stupid. I'm not going to get out and wander
around aimlessly here. So as I and I was hungary,
I was looking for a place to eat, and I
ended up going and coming across the cemetery. I ended
up driving down the little drive in the cemetery and
I went to take a loop and leave, and I

(01:44:17):
glanced over and I saw a gravestone with a name
on it that I recognized, and I stopped the car
and I ran up to it and I saw that
it was one of my art teachers from junior high
school that I absolutely adored, and I was like, oh

(01:44:38):
my gosh. I just was like, thank you someone. And
I looked up and right behind that gravestone was the
graves of my childhood boogeyman, if you will. And I
absolutely freaked out. I mean just my mind was blown

(01:45:00):
at this point in time. It's just I could not
believe what just happened. It was and out of all
of the graves in the cemetery, I just happened to
come upon that particular one, which I asked it to
show me where it was. But I was not I
don't know, I was not expecting that.

Speaker 2 (01:45:20):
Now I'm assuming that you are referring to mister Wolf right.

Speaker 3 (01:45:25):
Yes, I'm referring to mister t That is that.

Speaker 2 (01:45:29):
Is again extremely wild.

Speaker 3 (01:45:32):
Yeah, to say the least, I was freaked out, and
just my mind was blown. I went and found a
place to eat lunch, and I was by myself all
this time, and I was just like my head was spinning,
and I went up. I took this trip up by myself.
My family did not join me. My siblings were up there,
but my wife and my son did not join me.

(01:45:54):
So I was staying in this motel. Not a great place,
but it was it was convenient, and it was cheap,
and I was just trying to take this trip and
not spend too much money on this trip. And so
I went to meet with the third family that I
was talking about. I went to meet with them, the

(01:46:14):
ones that needed help about their child, and we changed
to meet up in a park and we had a
little discussion. And at this point, this is when I
was trying to desperately get them to agree to let
the psychic help them. Anddly. Right after I met with

(01:46:38):
them that evening, I was in my hotel room and
I was feeling really I started feeling frightened frankly about
all of it, and things were just kind of I
felt really uncomfortable. I was alone, and I'm over in
my head with this stuff. I'm like, this is over
my head. I'm like in this deep now. And I

(01:47:01):
woke up and I had large scratches, welted scratches on
my ab too. Man, I think I may have seen
pictures of that. I don't know if I did or not.
Maybe I didn't. Anyways, I was like, what in the world. Now,
they didn't come from me because I had cut my
fingernails and filed them all down just prior to getting

(01:47:23):
up there on this trip. And there's no way the
angle in which they were, and they it almost looked
like it almost like like writing. I'm like, if I
didn't send it to you, let me know, I'll send
it to you.

Speaker 2 (01:47:35):
I don't recall seeing that picture, actually, Barry, Okay, I.

Speaker 3 (01:47:39):
Could send you that if you would be interested to
seeing it. But that freaked me out again on top
of everything, and I was just like, oh my gosh,
what in the heck is happening here? And I knew
that that didn't I didn't do this to myself. That
was the first time that anything like that ever happened
to me that I'm aware of.

Speaker 2 (01:47:58):
No, anytime anybody brings a photo up, I'm sure you've
heard me say this, because people always go, oh, send
me that photo, I always go, okay, is that just
for me? Or is that for everyone to see?

Speaker 3 (01:48:10):
Yeah, I don't know that.

Speaker 2 (01:48:12):
That's no pressure, of course, it's just someone will ask
me in an email, Hey, he brought that picture up, Rick,
are you going to share that? So I just always
asked that out loud while we're chatting.

Speaker 3 (01:48:24):
Fair enough and thinking of that, Actually, it reminds me
of something very important that I have to tell you
about the house and scratches. But yeah, you know, somebody's
going to see pictures of my gut. But anyways, I
have nothing to hide, and it is what it is,
and I don't care if you want to share it,
that's fine. But that happened. But actually, something that happened

(01:48:47):
that one of the stories that I forgot to tell
you was about the room getting cleaned upstairs and all
the clothes thrown down. That she was cleaning that room
for her brother in law to move into. So when
the brother in law moved into the house, one day,
the grandmother was in the kitchen cooking and the power

(01:49:11):
went out in the house, and she's her brother in
law went down into the basement to see what the
deal was and to try to pull the breaker switch.
And he goes down there and then she hears him
a scream come from him, and she said, what's the matter?

(01:49:32):
You run into a spider And then within seconds he
popped through the basement door with the look of absolute
terror on his face, she said, and she said, what's wrong,
And he pulled up his shirt and he turned around
and he had a big bleeding scratch going across his back,

(01:49:57):
and he said she would try to get him to
tell her what he saw. He said he would never
go down in that basement ever again, and he would
never talk about it, and he never did, and within
about a year he died. And he never revealed what
was in the basement, but it terrified him and he

(01:50:18):
had a big bleeding scratch across his back. So I'm
glad I remember that now because that was a very
important thing to talk about again with whatever dwelled in
the basement did have some violent tendencies apparently. Now regarding

(01:50:42):
the psychics, I'll tell you the impressions that the psychics
told me, which was immediately gave me goosebumps. So I
sent an image of the home, which I will not share.
I sent an image of the home to the psychic
and I was live on the phone with him at

(01:51:04):
the time, and he's talking to me and he just
looked at me, or he said to me, I see
a man beating a child, and he said he had
his hair parted in the middle. Then later on he
ended up doing a comb over. He said he was
left handed and he was hitting the child with a

(01:51:25):
belt and he was saying, you see what you made
me do. Of course, at first, my dad, this is
back in the time when kids dig gets hit with
a belt, and I remember my father doing it and
probably hearing the same words come out. I was covered
in goosebumps when he said that. But it doesn't sound
like it was it was my father. It sounds like

(01:51:49):
it may have been somebody else. But this psychic told
me every man that lives in that house will be
negatively affected by this brooding man. And he said there's
a mail he has stayed in a negative state because
he did not want to die, and he's angry that
he's dead. Said something about being an astro shell. I

(01:52:12):
don't even know what that term means, but said that
the land that the place was on was fine, but
the negative energy was in the house and that it
affects every family that ever moves into that house is
going to be affected negatively. He was willing to help

(01:52:33):
the family, but he was going to I was waiting
for them to the family to give him permission. But
he had some arranged trip that he had to be
making and so forth. That opportunity passed, and after I
got scratched, I came home from my trip and was

(01:52:53):
still freaked out and saying a lot of prayers. And
the grandmother called me like the day after I got
and she said, how are you feeling. I said, honestly,
I'm feeling a little freaked out. And I said I
got scratched in my sleep. And I said why, And
she said that her daughter fell into a lethargic state

(01:53:13):
right after we met, which the focus of the meeting
was for me to try to get them to agree
to let the psychic help them. And then when she
was in this lethargic state, she wasn't doing anything. So
another several weeks went by and I was urging them
to please do something before things got worse. And I

(01:53:39):
by another incredible chance and none of it's I have
so many, oh things that happened in my life that
are not just chance. They are amazing things that come together.
But I meet another what are the odds? What's that? Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:53:58):
I didn't say anything.

Speaker 3 (01:53:59):
Oh, I just.

Speaker 2 (01:54:00):
Voice Oh, interesting, I'll have to go back and listen
to that.

Speaker 3 (01:54:05):
Okay, that was weird, unless it was an echo of me.
But that was strange. I heard something strange now that
kind of weirded me out a little bit. Okay, Anyways,
I met another psychic who claimed that they had this abilities.
I've never known anybody who had the ability to remove.

(01:54:26):
This is all new to me, right with that? And
I knew my grandmother, but she never she was not
a medium. She did not speak to the dead that
I'm aware of. Different psychics have different abilities. But here's
another man who claims he cleanses homes of dark things, right,
and he told me I sent him an image, and

(01:54:46):
he said malevolent male spirit. He described he had dark
eyebrows and a dark beard and mustache. It was a
human spirit, he said. Spirit has been around a long time.
It gets darker, he said, the longer it's there. And

(01:55:08):
the spirit is forcing three other spirits to stay at
the house. On August of twenty twenty three, the family
finally gave him permission to help them. And James is
his Name's James. That's fine, he whoops, James's fine. I

(01:55:29):
don't need to go any further with that, he said.
He removed the spirits in the house and the attachment
from the boy of course, he said this was going
to take a lot of prayers and a lot of
cooperation from everybody involved to make this work, and that
it wasn't just good, it was going to require quite

(01:55:51):
an effort to keep this thing under control. On it Bay,
I just and I just got returned just the other
day from being up there. And honestly, when I went
up there, I traveled with Holy Water to fix some
gems that were supposed to be protective gems. I was

(01:56:14):
very hesitant about going back up there, but I had tried.
I'd reached out to see how the family's been doing,
and they seem like they were doing all right, but
there were times when I wouldn't hear from them for
a period of time and so on, and I was
going to try to meet up with them, and I
went by the house, but nothing at all happened while

(01:56:36):
I was up there, which was I was relieved about.
And I met with a family and they told me
that the child is doing well and everybody they have
had no paranormal experiences at all. And so the neighbor
that lives across the street told me he went over
and asked the people living there if they had ever

(01:56:57):
experienced anything, and they said, no, oh, we've not had
anything negative. Nothing weird happen here. So that was another
interesting thing. I asked him at one time, boy, if
I would love to be able to talk to the
people that live in that house. I would have loved
to have gone in there. Maybe I don't know if

(01:57:17):
I would have or not. I thought so, But on
the other hand, why play with fire? But I was
neeed to hear him say that the people living there
seemed like everything was good. And then on top of
that confirmation, I was introduced to another psychic whom because
I was nervous about going up there, I was just

(01:57:39):
asked this person if they had any suggestions for protection,
and I sent them an image and while I was
up there, she looked at it and she says, it's weird.
I can't see into this house. It seems like all
the windows are shut and the blinds are closed. But

(01:57:59):
I see a glowing light coming from there, and she says,
it's very odd, but it seems very quiet. The house
seems extremely quiet. And then I went and contacted the
other side. I said, what did you do? He goes,
I put a big protective I removed all the spirits
and I put a big protective bubble over the whole property,

(01:58:20):
and obviously, wow, I think it's working.

Speaker 2 (01:58:22):
Holy cow.

Speaker 3 (01:58:24):
That is the end of that whole story at this
point in time. Up to date, as of two days.

Speaker 2 (01:58:31):
Ago, totally smokes Berry from mister Wolf's house. Huh place
is slightly active, hopefully not as much anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:58:41):
Maybe it'll gives me good spumps. It still gives me
bumps to talk about it.

Speaker 2 (01:58:45):
I can see why it seemed. And this is not
me questioning why you would be this way or being
accusatory in any way, shape or form, but it seems
like you're hesitant to say his name at all.

Speaker 3 (01:58:59):
Yeah. Yeah, because for one thing, there's probably living family
and I did not. I just didn't want any And
you're right, saying it out loud, I hesitate, so a
little fear there because I experienced some crazy studdo. So yeah,

(01:59:21):
I admit I have a hesitancy to say it out
loud because the last time I said it out loud,
show me where you are it did. And then and
also I found out when I was just up there,
the family that I met gave me another interesting tidbit.
They told me about another brother in law that came

(01:59:43):
to visit the house to help put up some furniture
in the house. And he was just helping them out
put some beds together and hang some stuff on the
walls or whatever he was doing. And they told me
that he went home to where his house that night
he had a nightmare, and the nightmare was of a

(02:00:06):
man yelling at him, saying, stay out of my house,
stay out of my house. And that was saying that
this thing has the empower and ability to follow somebody
and penetrate into their dream. And also, I forgot to
tell you that there's so many things. The daughter with

(02:00:28):
the children. One night, she was in bed sleeping, she
felt something her ankles, and she heard a man yelling
at her, and he pulled on her and scared the
crap out of her. I can't remember yelling something about
leave my something alone or he's yelling at her, and
then she jumped up and ran and of course terrified

(02:00:50):
and bawling her eyes out. So this dark energy was
it was just getting worse and worse, it seems, in
that house, and fueled by all the fighting and the
just craziness from all the different families that have moved
in and out of there through the years. It just

(02:01:10):
kept getting worse. But I had a goal once I
realized there was a problem, and my goal was to
try to help these the family and the child. And
then I had a goal of wanting to help free
the spirits that were trapped in there. And by amazing,
I don't know, how do you what the word. I'm

(02:01:32):
trying to find the word that I was able to synchronicity,
able to find the right persons to actually do that.
And the house is cleared, it's clean as far as
I know, the family is doing well. And that is
the story that I have.

Speaker 2 (02:01:55):
Bravo to you for stepping up and essentially facing your
own fears, because you had your own from living in
that very same house. So that was really great that
you decided to step up and do that.

Speaker 3 (02:02:07):
Very thank you. I was more of a personal curiosity,
but as things turned into a whole different thing and
I realized there was a child in need and stuff,
then I ramped up into a whole different situation. But
I realized I was in the middle of it all,

(02:02:28):
and this thing knew I was trying to help them,
and it was angry about it. And that really frightened me.
I'm going to admit I was very hesitant. And then
just coming back, going back up there, I again, like
I say, I was traveling. We would think I was
the exercister the priests had I brought all these different things.

(02:02:51):
I was looking around. I was afraid to bring stage.
I thought that they would pull the they pull my
luggage and searching my witnesses and stuff. Yeah, I thought
maybe I could get some up there, but if I
needed it. But you know what, I never this time.
I went up there and everything seemed peaceful and nothing
seemed bad, and the family seemed okay. And then when

(02:03:13):
I the psychic that did not know about anything about
the history or the other psychic or anything, she gives
me your impression and said, look like the place has
been sealed up and it's glowing with the light glow.
And she could not understand why she was unable to
even look in the other psychics. Oh yeah, I cleared
it and I put an effective barrier over the place.

(02:03:34):
And I thought, oh my gosh, because it's also surreal.

Speaker 2 (02:03:39):
But it all tracks.

Speaker 3 (02:03:41):
Yeah, And that's the thing that blow my mind about
all of this, is it all matched up all tracks
and it's all real, and it's just a mind blower.
That's my childhood story, early years, and of course I
have a lot of crazy teenage things that happened through
the years, and it just the strangeness continued on in

(02:04:03):
my life, one strange event after another, very wide variation
of different paranormal experiences.

Speaker 2 (02:04:12):
Well, that is where we will pick up for episode
two the next time we chat, and I'm very much
looking forward to that. But very thank you so much
for being willing to come on and chat about this today.

Speaker 3 (02:04:24):
Thank you so much for having me on, Shannon, I
really appreciate it. Well, I'm so and so.

Speaker 5 (02:04:32):
I was given a name by my parents. My business
I was such a college. I've done these things, and
my profession I producing little block. But that's some story
that's all gone, that's all possible.

Speaker 3 (02:04:47):
I want to see the million.

Speaker 5 (02:04:48):
When nobody knows where that is, cause we don't know
except for listening and commod and consulting on members.

Speaker 3 (02:05:02):
But then that's a really and that again it's aspectinator
to this question what are you?

Speaker 4 (02:05:10):
That does not mean.

Speaker 5 (02:05:13):
We shall see how they play with the success will
buy the coins to.

Speaker 3 (02:05:17):
Get you to come out of your show and find out.

Speaker 4 (02:05:21):
It will be very old.

Speaker 6 (02:06:09):
Its puss. Puss Puss, for example, are quite divided on us.

Speaker 5 (02:07:16):
They will say, no, we don't believe literally in reincarnation
that after your funeral, bro, you will sadly become somebody different,
there being somewhere else. They will say, reincarnation means this
that if you're sitting here now, are really convinced that
you're the.

Speaker 4 (02:07:36):
Same person bolted at the door half an hour ago,
you'll be reincarnated.

Speaker 3 (02:07:42):
If you're liberated.

Speaker 6 (02:07:42):
Every wells now that you're done.

Speaker 5 (02:07:46):
The past hasn't been tested, the future hasn't existent.

Speaker 3 (02:07:51):
There is only the present.

Speaker 4 (02:07:52):
That's the only amenion.

Speaker 5 (02:07:54):
That is the send master will get in. The space
in the string does not.

Speaker 3 (02:08:01):
Become sounds because there is some an there strings.

Speaker 6 (02:09:10):
Pss pss psssssssss.

Speaker 5 (02:09:59):
Same in this point for four days, where he says,
when you settle down in the train and can read
your newspaper, and so they were not the same person.

Speaker 3 (02:10:10):
That a while ago and lived the plan.

Speaker 5 (02:10:13):
If you think you are, you are linking your moments
up in the change, and this is what binds the
wheel of both. But when you know that every moment
which you are is the only moment this comes.

Speaker 3 (02:10:29):
Inos are. The Master will say.

Speaker 5 (02:10:31):
From somebody, I can have a bok across the room and.

Speaker 3 (02:10:34):
He can be back, and he says, where are your
fo They've gone?

Speaker 5 (02:10:41):
So where are you?

Speaker 3 (02:10:42):
Who are you? When we are asked who we are,
we usually give a kind

Speaker 5 (02:10:46):
Of recitation of an instrmstret for inst

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