iNTO THE FRAY 511: Mason Dixon Paranormal Line

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The infinite complaces people went to and pro fears about
their little affairs, serene in the assurance of their dominion
over this small binning fragment of solar driftwood, which, by
chance or design, man has inherited out of the dark
mystery of time and face.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
On this episode of Into the Fray, I welcome Patrick
roy on with me. He is an experiencer and also
a fellow podcaster. His show is called Aliens for Beginners,
and Patrick, on your show, it's not just aliens though,
you cover all sorts of subjects.

Speaker 3 (01:25):
Correct, Yeah, I pretty much anything that's weird, hi, strangeness
in general. I will talk about it on Aliens for Beginners,
And the name of the show is it's a little
bit deceiving, it's a little bit tongue in cheat, but
there's something for everyone who's into this stuff. We'll be
on there.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
And from the email that you sent me, it looks
like you've had a lot of experiences and those also
seem to run the gamut, so I can understand why
you might want to start a show and talk to
other people who have also had strange ex experiences.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
Yeah, let me say first off that you are one
of the reasons that I'm doing podcasting. Really, yeah, that's
absolutely true. When I first started listening to podcasts several
I don't know how long it's been, eight, nine, ten years,
I don't know when it was, but I had my
four or five or six go to shows that I

(02:23):
would start listening to. I'd drive around a bit for work,
so Monday morning i'd start and i'd work my way
through those shows, and yours was one of them. And
I got to a point, funny enough, where I would
run out and then even though there's a million podcasts

(02:44):
out there, I'd start poking around and without much luck.
So I decide if that is if that's the case
for me, then that means there's capacity out there, and
so I decide I'm going to start a podcast that
I would listen to. And the rest is.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
As they say, I am extremely humbled, Thank you so much.
I mean to be amongst just five or six that
you would listen to, because as you say, there are
so many out there. Thank you. That's extremely humbling.

Speaker 3 (03:14):
And it's a real pleasure to actually be a guest
on your show.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
So no, I'm happy to have the honor. I am
very happy to have you. I appreciate you reaching out
because sometimes I send out the Instagram or whatever, just
throwing the net out there, and I'm thinking, I don't
know if I'll get anybody, because I'm sure that at
nauseum people know that I want to have them on
the show. But sometimes that works, just to throw another

(03:40):
net out. I was really glad that you reached out. Thanks. Patrick.
All Right, So your experiences looked like they start when
you were younger, as is a lot of the times
the case. And you know what's funny is at the
second I saw what the first thing was, I saw
a picture or recently that looks extremely similar to what

(04:03):
we're going to be talking about that someone sent me.
So I'll be interested to hear this very first experience
of yours.

Speaker 3 (04:13):
That sounds very much like a synchronicity.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
Uh huh.

Speaker 3 (04:17):
If I didn't know any better, I'd say that was
a synchronosy. Yeah. So I've been on a spiritual journey,
but it didn't really start until I was in my twenties,
so I wasn't aware of anything as a child, but
one incident that has stuck with me for my whole life,
and I really don't know why because on the surface,

(04:40):
it's not that earthshaking. But when I was this will
be in the early nineteen seventies. So when I was
nine or ten years old, my family moved from Long
Island to Delaware and they purchased this piece of property

(05:02):
that they just lucked into it. My parents they didn't
have money, and it just them acquiring this piece of property.
Was totally synchronistic looking back on it, and so this
piece of property was thirty acres, It was very isolated.
It was eight tenths of a mile just to get
back to it from the main road. And the property

(05:25):
in front of this property actually was separate, belonging to
somebody else. So it was a very isolated parcel of land.
And there had been a very heavy Native American presence
on this piece of property. I don't know what that means.
I don't know how that ties in. But there was

(05:45):
basically an elongated mound that went down to a creek,
and everyone called it the Indian Walk and actually walked
on top of it like it was a path to
get to this creek. And now looking back on it
in hindsight, I recognize it as some sort of amount.
I don't have. The property has been long outside of

(06:08):
my family's possession, so I don't know whatever became of it.
There was also an actual Mason Dixon marker on this property.
It's a very historic piece of property. But at any rate,
we camped on this piece of property shortly after they
acquired it, and we were my parents were big tent campers.

(06:30):
This was hardcore tent camping back in the day. And
so we camped in a tent on this property and
for a night, and so early one morning, I woke
up before anybody else. I poked my head out of
the tent to have a look around, and a beam

(06:54):
of amber light came down from the sky and it's
touched the ground just feet from I mean estimating now
it was several feet maybe ten feet in front of me,
but it was like right there, and I thought, my
nine ten year old self that I had seen lightning.

(07:18):
So the next memory that I had was of me
explaining to my parents that I had seen lightning and
that I'd seen a bolt of lightning. A bolt of
lightning came down and they were like, what are you
talking about. There wasn't any storm or anything. There wasn't
any thunder, wasn't any rate. If a lightning had struck

(07:40):
that close, we would have heard it. It was your
typical parents not believing the kids scenario. And then they
were like, where have you been? I'm like, what do
you mean? They're like, where you've been gone for? I
don't know. It was like an hour or two, I
don't know what it was, and they thought they were

(08:00):
of having wandered off into the woods or something, and
I was like, here I was not being believed in
being falseek used at the same time. But so I
remembered that for decades as the time I saw lightning
and my parents didn't believe me. And it wasn't until

(08:21):
relatively recently I'm sixty now that I associated it with
a possible high strangeness or ifos or exterrestrials or whatever,
and especially given the experiences that began to crop up
later on in my life, I looked back on that

(08:42):
and I was like, Okay, maybe that wasn't lightning, but
I can't say for sure like that that's the entirety
of the memory. I don't know if I mean, it
seems to me there was some missing time there, but
I have no further recollection of it. Other than that,
do you recall.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
Being scared or how you felt when you saw that
beam of light?

Speaker 3 (09:04):
I was not scared. I'm for a weird person like
I don't have like I just don't have fear, like
I'm not I don't get afraid of stuff. No, I
wasn't scared.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
So your parents were more annoyed. They weren't at the
point where they were frantic by the time you to
them that you showed back up.

Speaker 3 (09:26):
No, because back then it was a different world. Yeah,
we ran around and we would disappear for all day,
and we'd be carrying guns and stuff. It was a
different time. Yeah, so if you know, a kid missing
for a couple hours in the woods wasn't a big
deal back then.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
Yeah, unless they find pieces of your clothes just strewn
around or something. There was no no search party called.
I get that.

Speaker 3 (09:55):
They weren't even looking at me at that point.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
Back when us kids used to play out. Yeah, what crazy.

Speaker 3 (10:03):
It's funny because looking back on that in hindsight, that
I didn't appreciate obviously, we never appreciate what we had
when we were kids.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (10:12):
And you know, having that big piece of property traits
around and go fishing on and ride a dirt bike,
and oh, man, I wish I had it. Now.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
I think about that a lot. I try not to
dwell on it because it makes you sad, but you
think about those times and you go, those were the
best times of my life and I didn't even know it. Yeah,
that gets you into feels when you really start to
think about it, especially when certain people are not around anymore.
Things like that, You're like, ooh, that's a stinger. So
this property even had a possible burial mound on it.

Speaker 3 (10:45):
Yeah, I'm not an expert on those things, but I've
seen pictures and stuff online of Indian burial mounts and
that is very much what it looked like. And again,
we just used it for a path to get down
to this creek. And my mother, who was extremely just

(11:06):
like naturally psychic, she would she saw quote unquote saw
Indians on the property. So you know, whether visions of
yesteryear or however that works, but yeah, she would see
old timey characters wandering around on the property.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
What about your dad, did he ever experience anything?

Speaker 3 (11:30):
No, he, like any anything he experienced was vicarious, vicariously
through my mom. She was she was strange enough for.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
The both of them. Yeah, so this property, you guys
owned it, How long did you own it for? How
many times did you go out there?

Speaker 3 (11:50):
We? I lived there. I lived on this property for
eleven years.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
Ah okay, Yeah, what's.

Speaker 3 (11:55):
Strange is there? There was no electricity on this property.
You and we had to use a generator for electricity,
and we didn't have a phone, and so it was
very isolated existing for a young person, very unusual, not

(12:17):
like how my friends lived. But we did have a generator.
Eventually we got a generator where you just flip a
switch and it turns on and everything comes on. So
it wasn't like total roughing it. But it's a very
different ways to have been brought up.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
So do you recall you personally having any other experiences
while you were on that property?

Speaker 3 (12:40):
I do not know. That was my one aside from
my mother's stuff. That was my one memory from my
childhood of what I would call high strange.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
So is that property now, like what's going on there now?
Since there is some kind of a marker, it's historical
and I don't want you to give away the location
or whatever. If that's the case that we're trying to
keep that kind of under wraps. But is it still
privately owned by somebody you think, or is it on
public lands?

Speaker 3 (13:14):
Now, this is a very sad part of the story.
I did go back and check it out maybe fifteen
years ago or so, and it's basically gone. This is
one of the big regrets of my life. Actually, it's
literally a big hole in the ground. It was sold

(13:36):
to a like a sand and gravel company.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 3 (13:40):
Yeah, and this was this would have been this would
have happened in the early like the mid nineteen eighties,
and I don't know like how much regulation there was.
I don't even I don't know if anybody even knew
about it, you know, I don't know if there was

(14:01):
anything in place to prevent that from happening. But no,
that's totally what happened. Very sad.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
And Patrick Gumster, I'm not familiar with what you mentioned.
You said something about a Mason Dixon like a marker
or something like it. It was a historical marker.

Speaker 3 (14:18):
It was left by I guess these guys Mason and Dixon,
they did a tour like Lewis and Clark, and they
had left these markers. Yeah, and I'm not an expert
on them, but they're scattered around the I believe, of
the East coast. But it's just like a concrete, concrete marker.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
It seems like that alone would have saved it somehow,
But I guess not.

Speaker 3 (14:45):
Honestly, I don't know who knew that it was there. Yeah,
I honestly I don't know. These people that my parents
bought it from, they were very old when they sold it,
and they had lived there forever. So I it's entirely
possible that nobody even knew that it was there.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
So you guys were always in intents or was there
ever a building put up for you guys, a house anything?

Speaker 3 (15:16):
We had? Now we got there was a small cottage
type place there on on the prem that we eventually
moved into once this older couple moved out. And we
did eventually get like a they called a double wide.
It's like a double wide mobile home. Yeah, we got
that and we and when that was, when that was
hooked up to the generator and everything, it was pretty
close to normal, but not quite very very unusual.

Speaker 2 (15:40):
Yeah, but that sounds just especially for kids, that's perfect.
That's amazing.

Speaker 3 (15:45):
It wasn't amazing at the time. But yeah, no, I
totally get it. Yeah, but we had fun. We had
we had horses and goats and chickens, and there was
a it was bordered on in addition to the creek
was ordered on the Choptank River, and so you had
walk down through fishing. So yeah, it was. As I said,

(16:08):
I didn't appreciate it time.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
Besides that old couple that was in the cottage, you
guys eventually moved into how many other people were around
this area, on this property, even just around the thirty acres.
What was on the outskirts of your thirty acres a.

Speaker 3 (16:27):
Very very small town, A nose stop lake town.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
Okay, yeah, very cool, very interesting. That is an interesting
way to grow up for sure.

Speaker 3 (16:37):
Yeah, it was.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
When your mom would see these Native American spirits whatever
we're going to call them, would she immediately go, oh, hey,
do you guys? There they are? I see that? Was
this a recurring thing? And then no one else could
see them but her.

Speaker 3 (16:56):
My impression is that. Now, bear in mind, this is
nineteen seventies. My mother grew up in a Catholic family,
and back then these types of quote unquote gifts were
not as appreciated as they are now, and it was

(17:19):
like a hush thing. She wasn't very open about it.
Occasionally something would come out, and a lot of the
information that I got came out considerably after the fact,
and a lot of it came out when I was
an adult. So I didn't realize the extent to which

(17:44):
my mother was psychic until I was once in my
adulthood and then just realizing, oh, and then that explained
a lot of other stuff. But no, it was not
like an open It wasn't an open thing.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
So that is the next point on your list was
the fact that your mother was psychic. So did you
want to share some of those things that you learned
later on that tied directly into her being psychic? That
made sin once you figured it out.

Speaker 3 (18:14):
Yeah, So fast forward to somewhere around two and eight,
two thousand and nine, she had purchased or inherited another
historical property I don't want. It's like a magnet for
these things in another small town in Delaware. And this

(18:38):
was originally the original section of this house was built
in seventeen eighty nine, is in a historical section of
a historical town in Delaware, and her husband who left
it to her was actually an archaeologist and it had
been added on to over the year. And I've been

(19:01):
on and office strange from my mom. She passed away
nine years ago, by the way, but I had been
on and off of strange from her because she was
a difficult person. She's a very difficult person. But reconnected
with her around this time frame around two thousand and seven,
two thousand and eight, two thousand and nine, somewhere in there,

(19:23):
and she was in this historic house. This was a
four thousand square foot house, was front down, and I
was decided to help her manage this place, and so
I started spending more time over there, trying to paint
and do some repairs and stuff like that. And over

(19:43):
the course of doing that, she'd opened up about a
lot of stuff in a way that she hadn't before.
And she would tell me, like all kinds of crazy
stuff about visions she'd seen and spirits she'd seen. And
so I was in a room in this house painting

(20:07):
and my mom was sitting in there and she said,
someone's here now. So some spirit or whatever had walked in.
And this house was actually a stop on the underground
railroad as well, so I don't know, she's like a
magnet for these weird historic properties. But yeah, all of
her psychic gifts that I didn't know about, she started

(20:28):
to share more and more information about that, and for example,
in one case, she told me about when someone in
a Civil War type uniform appeared to her and told
her that something to the effect of, don't worry at

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least it's not your house that's burning, and there was
a fire in a shed, this kind of thing. So
there's a less and though in all of this, because,
as I said, the timeframe that she grew up and
she was seventy four when she passed away in twenty sixteen,

(21:15):
it did not lend itself to these gifts and people.
I don't think she managed it very well. So I've
seen many cases of this where people are gifted in
this way and because they don't have guidance or they

(21:37):
don't know how to manage it, it ends up being
to their detriment. I think that was actually the case
with my mother, with these psychic gifts that she had.
But yeah, we would be in the house and she
would talk about, all right, someone's in the room now.
At that time, I still wasn't like very spiritually mine

(22:00):
and I didn't like. I didn't pick up on any
of this stuff, and that hadn't started for me that
ever she was experiencing. I wasn't. I was just listening
to her talk about it.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
Did you already realize at that point I could see
what's coming up later on? Of course you send me
the email. Did you realize before she passed that you
also had a certain connection to things I had?

Speaker 3 (22:31):
Okay, prior to this, in the nineteen nineties, I got
involved in a pretty fundamentalist Christian sect, is a really
niche Christian sect. And while I was involved in that,

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I had some spiritual type experiences, paranormal experience, and I
was coming out of that during this time when I
reunited with my mother. So I was at that point
I kind of in this mode of these things probably

(23:16):
aren't good, witchcraft bad, like psychic stuff bad. I was
a little bit in that was the devil mode, and
I never put to me it was probably at that
time I regarded it as probably not a good thing,
but no, I aside from that, and there was some

(23:38):
weird stuff there too. I didn't really like. I didn't
see myself as being an experiencer or anything like that.
And I can talk more about what I experienced in
the Christian sect if you want or whatever.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
Yeah, absolutely, First, real quick though, I mean your mother
to that sect, as you say, everything is demons and
the devil and it's all bad, she would not have
been welcome in where you were at that time, right,
I was, as.

Speaker 3 (24:12):
I was spiecing out of it at that point, I
was pretty much out of it. I was pretty much
out of it. I was. I got out of it
in like two thousand and five, and this was a
couple three years later, but it was still lingering. That's
what you were around for ten twelve years, and I
have that lingering in your mind, the residual effects of that.

(24:36):
And so to me, I wasn't like, I wasn't like,
oh my god, this is I was like, all right,
it is what it is. It's probably not good. That
was my attitude towards it.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
My mind goes, of course, immediately to the Waco situation.
They're all in a big house together, or maybe to
Warren Jeff's where they have essentially their own town, if
you will, in a compound. What was the living situation
for this sect okay.

Speaker 3 (25:05):
So there was no communes or compounds or anything like that. However,
it was not too far from what you just described,
but it's a little more subtle. So when you can
look at something like the Warren Jeff situation and anybody

(25:26):
can label that as evil, when you looked at this,
it looks okay, and the darkness is more subtle in there.
But this was everybody you know there, lived where. But
basically this sect was based around following of a prophet

(25:47):
like so many other of these, and this prophet that
they followed as an evangelist who passed away in the
nineteen sixty five, and they put him on a pedestal
and they printed all of his all of his sermons
were recorded, and they printed him out, and it's like
what they go by. And that's what this was all about. Now,

(26:13):
when I originally got involved in this, I was in
my early twenties. I had no I was an atheist.
I had no spiritual inclinations whatsoever. And I would tell
people I was, you know, an atheist if I was asked,
and I was. I had started a construction business, right

(26:38):
got a college's subcontracting business, and I had various clients
I did work for and one of my one of
my clients, a new client that i'd got, was a
member of the Sect and we worked on some projects together.
I respected him. He was a stand up guy, so
if he had something to say, I would listen to him.
He had credibility with me, and every once in a
while he'd drop a Bible verse or something or some

(27:00):
Bible nugget. But he started talking about some of his
personal experiences, which were full on supernatural stuff, talking about
like seeing visions, seeing angels, seeing demons, this kind of stuff.
So we were working on a job and he would say,
do you see that light flying around? I'm like no,

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He said, well, that's an angel. And he told me
of a situation where he saw a demon leave his
body where he was laying in bed, and he said,
this thing came out of his chest, floated up to
the ceiling. It looked like a crab, scurried into the
corner and disappeared. So I had never heard anything like that.

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And he would talk about visions he would see like
he was. He said he was shown a vision of
a truck that he was going to buy, and then
he found the truck and he bought it and different
things like this. I never heard anything like that, and
I was like, wow, I said, I gotta check this out.
So I was. I started asking some questions. And when
I started asking some questions, I guess he figured he'd

(28:10):
had me on the hook. He gave me a Bible,
actually a really nice Bible, and I thought, I'll just
read this Bible, and then I don't know. I didn't
see him for a couple three weeks at one point,
and he when I saw him again, he asked me,
how's it going. I saw him just reading this Bible.
He's like, you're reading the Bible cover to cover. I
said yeah, he said, he said, you don't have to
do that. He said, just read these books. And that's

(28:30):
when he handed over these books from this prophet guy,
and so I was like okay. So I started reading
these books and they were like little pamphlets of his sermons.
I think there was like two or three big books.
And when I started reading these books, something happened. I
made contact with something and I assumed it was the

(28:53):
Holy Spirit, the Holy ghost. And this is going to
come up later, but I experienced this presence or this
energy that felt it was very intense. It felt really good.
It felt like a drug, like an arcotic or something,
and it would last for hours. When I was reading

(29:18):
these books and this guy he told me, he said,
if you want to learn, if you want this to
open up for you, he said, this is supernatural. The
Bible is a supernatural book. If you want it to
open up for you, you got to ask. He said,
you have to ask for this wisdom, and you do

(29:39):
that in prayer. So I said, okay, So that's what
I did. So I prayed, and I asked for this
to be opened up to me and this wisdom, and
oh man, some stuff opened. So I made contact with
this being, whatever it was that was gave me this

(30:00):
that I could sense its presence. And in the course
of reading these books, it was almost like I started
to have a conversation with something. And so I'd have
a question or i'd be something would be on my mind.
Next time I picked up the book, there was the answer,
there was something related to that. And it was this
back and forth with this entity that I could feel

(30:23):
its presence, and I to me, this was I enjoyed
this and I was getting a lot out of it.
But on the on the flip side of this whole experience,
there was this really dark undertone, and so I wouldn't

(30:44):
I was. I'm going to say, I was never like
one hundred percent in I did go to church. I
didn't go like every Sunday or every Wednesday night, but
I did go often. And this was a doomsday cult. Okay,
this these people believed that the rapture was coming, it

(31:06):
was going to happen in their lifetime, and only a
few people were going to go. So if you raising
your children in that belief, that's pretty stressful to me.
That's like abase And so also doctrinally speaking, like, there
were a lot of things that weren't that great. Women
couldn't cut their you know, here's your warn jest stuff.

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They had to wear dresses, they couldn't wear pants, women
had to be subservient. So all of this stuff that
was dark that kind of went along with this, and
I could never reconcile it. I was like, and that
was why I never got all in because while I'm
at the same time over here, I'm having this experience
over here is all this stuff that's doesn't seem very good.

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So I eventually I got away from the whole thing,
and that inded reading the books that included meaning with
whatever this presence was, and that that kind of went
away for that for then, but then I got a
similar experience many years later. I don't know if any

(32:11):
of that made sense.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
No, it does. I find this stuff extremely fascinating. And
because I was going to ask one of the core beliefs,
what was the point of it? And you said it
was a doomsday cold.

Speaker 3 (32:20):
So it's still going strong, it is.

Speaker 2 (32:24):
Okay, that was my next question. Holy.

Speaker 3 (32:27):
Yeah, I don't know if you want me to name it,
it's up to you. It's They follow a guy named
William Branham. He and they call him Brannamtes. They don't
call themselves that, but they consider this guy, William Branham,
to be what they call the seventh Angel or the
seventh Messenger to the seventh Church Age, and they consider

(32:51):
him to be like the second incarnation of John the
Baptists to four run the second Coming of Christ. Wow,
and yeah, and their core beliefs is basically that the
raptures upon us and only a few people are going

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and the left are going to be the rest are
going to be left for this tribulation period and very
fundamental belief there. They regarded the Catholic Church as basically demonic.
Actually they were against like all of the other denominations,
like they were it, like everybody else was wrong. They
were right, which is like a common theme. But yeah,

(33:39):
thing to be involved in. And people were traumatized in this,
And if you like, you can watch some of these
sermons online. I haven't done it for many years, but
you're like, you mean, there's kids in there's kids in
this congregation and he's preaching this stuff. Yeah, it's just
I don't know. It wasn't good. I have a theory

(33:59):
on it, on this whole thing, kind of a working theory.
I can share that with.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
You if you want, Yeah, please do.

Speaker 3 (34:06):
Okay. I guess you're familiar with Lush and all that that,
those theories of energy saphening. And to me, what I
think this is, I call it. I call it rogue
entity theory. And I think I think it's just as
simply as this, because there's other situations where this has happened.
The Welsh Revival is another example where there was a

(34:28):
UFO type presence and weird stuff going on. But to me,
because this was so traumatic and trauma inducing, and it
engendered a tremendous amount of mental anguish. And like when
you went to these church services, you know, they would

(34:48):
have alter calls at the end, and people would be
up there screaming and crying and everything else. At these
alter calls, it's very charged emotionally, and most of the
services were very charged emotionally. And so what I think
is that whatever this entity was that kind of put

(35:09):
cobbled this together is feeding off that energy, honestly, And
I think that all of this energy that was generated
by this trauma, this mental anguish and this conflict and
even of having to live this certain way in the
modern world, and think all of that negative energy that

(35:31):
was generated, I think something was feeding off of that.
That's just my working theory on that.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
And then that entity just needs a poster boy essentially
in a meat suit for everybody to follow.

Speaker 3 (35:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
Yeah, what about polygamy underage marriages? Was there that kind
of stuff going on?

Speaker 3 (35:51):
No, there was nothing like that going on, And they
were actually vocal against that kind of stuff, So I
got to give them credit for that. There was nothing
like that, nothing like that going on other than the
women you didn't want to be a female growing up
in this you definitely did not want to be a female.
Like they didn't even want their women working. Or you

(36:12):
were a homemaker. You were to take care of your
husband and cook the meals and have children. Now there
was no polygamy or anything like that. Least there's that,
yeah right.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
Underage all that stuff that was going on in more
Jeff's neck of the wood. Yeah, no good, no good
at all. Was there one single thing that made you
want to start to taper out of that situation or
what was the deal there?

Speaker 3 (36:41):
There was? There was actually now that you mention it.
And I was living in Pennsylvania for I had gotten
a promotion at work. And I was in Pennsylvania from
about two thousand and two thousand and four, and I
had some fellowship with some of the people there. But

(37:01):
then I had an opportunity at work came up to
move back to the Delaware area, which I took, and
I hooked up with another one of these churches in Delaware.
And this church really gave me a bad vibe, really
gave me a bad vibe. And I knew there was

(37:22):
something off about the pastor. And this might be like
you talk about you ask me if I'm aware of
having gifts or anything. I think I've been pretty highly intuitive.
Most of myth, you know, without realize is when you
grow up with it, you don't know, so you don't
have something to bounce to compare it to. But one

(37:45):
of the big tenants like these, this sect had foundational
tenants that you just didn't go against. So there were
rules for different things, and there were rules for being
a preacher for me in a pastor, and one of
those rules was you could only have had one wife

(38:07):
and you can't be divorced and remarried and be a pastor.
I found out that this pastor in fact was divorced
and remarried, and that kind of kicked it in gear
for me, and I was like, okay, there's that's messed up.
I don't care. But if you're putting yourself out there

(38:28):
in a certain way and you're not, then I got
a problem with that. So that was the instigator maybe
for me to rethink that, and then I phased out
of it after that. But let me tell you, you hear
about stuff like deprogramming and things like that. That's real
if you're involved in something like that in particular, if

(38:50):
you've had a real experience, like a spiritual experience in it,
it is really hard to disconnect from that, very difficult
to disconnect from that. But yeah, I was able to
do that over finally, I think like two thousand and
four to two thousand and five, I got a two
thousand and five, I think was probably last year that
I was involved in it to any extent, and then

(39:12):
I went my own way after that.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
What about being disconnected from the outside world when you
were full in this? Were you folks not able or
not supposed to listen to the radio or watch certain
TV shows? Was there control in those ways?

Speaker 3 (39:33):
Oh? Yeah. And let me also say that I was
married at the time, and when I first got into this,
my wife was pregnant with my first child. I had
two daughters, and she was not down with this. She
was not down with this. She was not happy with

(39:54):
me being in this. To her credit, but she did,
to her credit again, she did come to true with
me a few times and listen to stuff that really
made her blood boil. So I got to give her
a lot of give her a lot of credit for that.
But yeah, you you could not wear shorts, You could
not have a TV in your house, You cannot go swimming,

(40:16):
you cannot have a swimming pool. You could not listen
to rocket music, basically any music that you listen to
other than praise music. You were worshiping the devil essentially. Yeah,
there was a lot of legalistic kind of stuff. Now
I didn't like, I do not enforce that upon, you know,

(40:39):
my household, but I did try to like push it
in what I direction. But yeah, we had we had
all that going on.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
So what's the thought behind the you could not go swimming?
Does that just simply tie in to the fact that
if you can't wear a shorts, how in the world
are you going to go swimming? Or a woman can't
just dress.

Speaker 3 (41:00):
It's all about modesty, okay, stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (41:03):
So just the attire that would go along with your Yeah, okay,
that is It's fascinating. So you didn't So if your
wife wasn't going along with it, she wasn't too thrilled
about it, but you were full in it. Did you
guys have a TV in your house?

Speaker 3 (41:18):
Yes? We did. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
Did they know that you had a TV in your house?
Would they talk to you about that?

Speaker 3 (41:24):
I mean they knew that My wife wasn't it. It
wasn't all in, And that was another troubling piece of it.
It was some of the advice that I got with
regard to that piece of it. And so that was
another troubling piece of it was that now I wasn't
like they weren't going to kick me out or whatever.

(41:45):
But if your wife wasn't in line, then it was
like maybe you had a problem.

Speaker 2 (41:53):
Yeah, like they would. It would seem like they would
always kind of look at you as a semi outsider
since your wife was.

Speaker 3 (42:00):
Yeah, it was a reflection on me.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
Yeah. Wow, Yeah, that's some hardcore stuff. Huh.

Speaker 3 (42:07):
Yes, it's pretty brutal. So I got to give my
wife credit for she really put up with some.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
She's stuck to her guns though she was she ever
close to going Okay, I could maybe get into this, nahp.

Speaker 4 (42:25):
Did she.

Speaker 2 (42:27):
Have any paranormal experiences that you could probably tine of
the fact that you were going praying to and seeing
these beings? Okay?

Speaker 3 (42:39):
She hadn't, no, not whatsoever into this day.

Speaker 2 (42:43):
Now, Yeah, that is fascinating. Okay, So you get out
of that, and then the next bullet point, and I
don't even know if I don't want to butcher the
name that's here, but you started to pray to a
certain goddess.

Speaker 3 (43:03):
Oh yeah, okay, so fast forward. Been a spiritual void
for a while. And around twenty twelve, my family, my
wife and my kids started watching the show called Supernatural.
Are you familiar with that? Not really, It was a
really popular show. It was about a couple brothers, the

(43:25):
Winchester Brothers, and they're like demon hunters or something, and
they based the show. The stories of the show were
based on actual lore and mythology, and so I watched
the show with them and then would I was really
fascinated with the lore that they based the plots on,
and I would go and do research on that. So

(43:47):
this led me into researching mythology, lore, ancient satiric stuff,
and I started getting into like ancient humor and Eachian
Egyptian deities and into some occult stuff, and all this

(44:09):
stuff started to really pique my interest, and so I
was I just started doing research in earnest on this
just because I was interested and it was fascinating to me.
And I think that this was, like I said, I'm
on a spiritual journey. That was part of my all
of this is part of my spiritual journey. Even being

(44:31):
in this fundamentalist Christian sect, I was supposed to be
there because I'm still learning lessons from having had that
experience now decades later. So all of this, including my
weird childhood back in the woods, I see all this

(44:51):
now as part of my spiritual journey. So research and
getting involved in this new interest was art and parcel
of that. Although I did not realize it at the time,
now I realize it. So I was reading an article
on the goddess is Ena. She's also known as star Roth,

(45:14):
star Tee Isis. There's some debate as to who is
who among all these names. Is this the same person
as this two different people? So all of that is confusing.
But in the Samerian, in the Samerian mythology, her name
is Nanna and she's she was one of the I

(45:35):
guess you would call him Ananaki or whatever. She was
with Anki and Unleil and that group. And so I
was reading this article on her, and she was a
very popular goddess in the ancient world and what is
now Iraq. There were temples dotted the countryside to this goddess.
She was a main goddess of war, goddess of sex, fertility,

(45:59):
all these different things. And I was looking at some
of the pictures of her temples and the ruins of
some of these temples, and I was reading this article
on her, and I was like, Wow, this is she's cool.
Like I was like, this goddess is cool, Like I
could totally go to a temple and worship this goddess.
And I just got this appreciation for this goddess. And

(46:21):
I said a little prayer to her. I was just
being goofy. I said a little prayer to this goddess,
just like when I prayed back in the Other Thing.
And this was late at night, this was like before bedtime.
I was doing this reading. When I got up in
the morning, there was this very intense energy, this presence

(46:45):
that was just like what I had experienced previously in
the Other Thing. And I describe it if you've ever
experienced this, it's really hard to describe it. It's like
a drug, It's like an archotic. And this was very intense.
It lasted several hours, and I felt it very intensely

(47:07):
over the course of the next few weeks on and off.
And to me, that was this being. This was this
goddess acknowledging my present that I had said something. So
I had made contact basically this this this goddess. And
so at the time, I was like, like, I knew

(47:28):
that this was very similar to my previous experience, but
I couldn't like get my head around it because they
were two totally different. This would be regarded as demonic
by the other thing. Yeah, that's that's what happened with
Not now, I still experienced this, and as far as

(47:50):
I'm concerned, I'm still in contact with a lot of
these these gods and goddess type beings and that I
so I expanded my research and I got further and
further into stuff along those lines. And I guess I
would describe myself as, I don't know, somewhat of a

(48:13):
deist or maybe a pagan at this point. But yeah,
so I made contact with this goddess and it was
just like the previous thing. Now, very interesting. Something that's
just recently come up is I interviewed a guest just

(48:35):
two or three weeks ago who was an alien abductee
who had an experience with being taken by basically some
grays and one praying manness one manted being, and she
woke up during this experience and this she was. She

(49:01):
said she was so scared she thought she was going
to die of fright. She said her heart was beaten
out of her chest and she was in full out panic.
And this mantid being touched her was standing behind her.
It touched her on the shoulder, and she started describing
being flooded with this blissful, narcotic type of feeling and

(49:24):
all her fear was gone and she felt great. And
I said, wait a minute. I said, that sounds familiar,
and what she described is exactly what I experienced. And
I told her, I said, this is I've experienced this.
I know exactly what you're talking about, but it wasn't
in this context. There's this strange overlap with this disability,

(49:47):
and I've encountered it. I've heard about it like in
podcasts or I've read about it before of people experiencing
this induced euphoria around non human intelligence. And so I
I don't like, I don't know if this is just
like a tool in their toolbox that they can use.
I don't know, but.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
Yeah, yeah, maybe that's a way to get what they
need from you. Or to keep you calm, or to
keep you happy when it's not supposed to be a
happy encounter. Who knows, I don't know. Yeah, And Inanana,
I was not the only being that you've had contact with.
From the looks of it.

Speaker 3 (50:28):
Now, I've I had contact with during that time with
many types of beings because I had opened myself up
and I was doing a lot of meditation. And when
you do, when you work on that piece of yourself,
you start to be You start glow on the astral,

(50:52):
so to speak. You start to catch the attention of beings.
And for example, Whitley's I believe he was into meditation
prior to his experiences, and he said when he asked
the what did he call him? The visitors why they
picked him? And the response was, we saw a glow.

(51:16):
So yeah, when you work on this part of yourself,
your soul, whatever, things notice, Things begin to notice, and
they'll come around. And then if you indicate that you
were willing to communicate with them, then there are some
of them that are that'll be willing to communicate. And

(51:38):
while I was researching this stuff, reading this stuff, and
it was just straight it's just straight up hobby I
was learning about some occult stuff and one of one
of these things was using a pendulum for divination, and
I was I read this article. I was like, I'm
going to try this. I'm going to try this. So

(52:00):
I got I have an old I don't know, it's
like an old dried up chicken wing boom, and I
got a piece of black braid and I was sitting
at my desk. Actually it was at work, like at
lunchtime one day. It was just me by myself in
my office and I made this thing and then I
was like, I had a question, was like, I wonder
if this is okay? And I held it out just

(52:22):
I admiring it. And when I thought I wonder if
this is okay, it started to go like big time,
and I immediately I put it down. I was like, WHOA.
So I got involved in using this pendulum to communicate
with different beings and then I started to feel like

(52:44):
different presences would come around and I could recognize like
there was one that kind of felt like almost like
you're on a roller coaster, like the feeling in the
pit of your stomach, and so there were different energies
that would didn't mind coming around and I was like,
like I told you, I'm not I'm not a fearful person.

(53:05):
I wasn't afraid of this. And so I got this
idea where I'm gonna use this I'm gonna use a
wigi board, but I'm gonna use this pendulum instead of
plant chet. So that's what I did, and I got
all kinds of I got all kinds of messages, and

(53:26):
I don't I didn't save them. I didn't have them anymore,
but just goofy silly stuff too, goofy cool or just
like goofy stuff and like that. And they were a
lot of them were just like trickster goofy like silly stuff.

(53:46):
And then they figured out, I don't know, they had
this thing where they could give me a tingling in
my temple if they wanted, if they wanted my attention,
and then that started to get a little bit money,
like the floodgates open for a little while. And I
didn't mind it because it was fun just talking to
these different beings. But the weirdest message I ever got

(54:10):
was there were these three beings. They were sisters, or
they I believe they were sisters. I told me I
was their brother and I was like, here, my senses,
I was here, but I was really like one of
them and I was their brother. And they told me

(54:32):
I had a different name, and I said, oh okay.
So I was like, okay, what's what is this name?
And so I started using the pendulum and luigia word,
which was just me right at alphabet on a piece
of paper and it spelled out It's I'm I kid.
You know, it spelled out bels above. And I was like, oh,
you guys are really fun. That's pretty hilarious. Let's try

(54:53):
this again, and it spelled out beils above again. I
was like, come on, I said, I'm not feels above
and they were like yes, sure. I'm like no, I'm not.
And I'm like, no, I'm not. I tried it like
six times, and each time it started out the same way.
And then I even went back like later and tried
it and it started doing the same thing. I said, guys,
let me know when you want to have a serious conversation.

(55:15):
But anyway, that was just weird now and well they're
messing with me, and hey, I don't there could actually
be something to that, because I've done some research over
the years, and you know, that beals Abub is Boo,

(55:38):
the god of the Old Testament, and the name beals
above is actually something that was given to him as
a diss so he I mean, there's his names are Boo, bows, a, Ble, Beals,
all these different names, but beals Abub was given to
him by his adversaries as a and it means lord

(56:01):
of the flies, but he's his true title would be
lord of all that flies, like lord of the air
or whatever. So they twisted around this is this is
how they Basically the deities of the ancient world that
were the cultures that were wiped out in the Old Testament,

(56:21):
the military campaigns and genocides in the Old Testament, were
these pagan cultures that followed these pagan deities like Boo,
like Inana, like Isis. And if I started researching this

(56:41):
a bit and Bow in the Old Testament, he was
he was Yahweh's and Nemesis Yahweh didn't allow. And what
happened was the Israelites they liked Boo, and they liked
warshing Bow, and they liked hanging out with Boo's people,

(57:03):
and every time they did that, they'd get in trouble.
And so Boo was this other deity of the Old Testament,
and when you actually look at the research that the facts,
he wasn't really like that that bad like. He was

(57:25):
pretty popularly seemed like a reasonable guy. And these deities
they got demonized. And so we have the grimoires that
have these ancient deities all labeled as demons, the demon version,
so the demon version of Boo's bilds above. And so
what I'm learning is that, you know how in Christianity

(57:51):
the plan for salvation is to repent, be baptized the
name of Jesus Christ, and receive the Holy Ghost. And
this is something that we were taught in this fundamentals
Christian sect is death to self, so whether you want
to call that ego or whatever, so that the holy
ghosts could come in and dwell in you and then

(58:11):
it's not you, it's the Holy Ghost. It's Jesus Christ
living in you and manifesting you. But they don't call
that possession in that context. So if that entity can
do that, then so can these other entities. And so

(58:34):
I think that these ancient deities, this is getting weird.
I know, just let me know if it's getting too weird.
They can splinter off an aspect of themselves and put
it into a human being, just like the Holy Spirit.

(58:54):
The Holy Spirit can in the New Age circles, for example,
the Lord's can type circles. Dolorus Cannon said that the
oversoul is fractal and when it splits off different aspects
of itself into different vessels at the same time. So

(59:21):
while we experience time in a linear fashion, that's just
how we experience it. All of your incarnations are happening
at the same time. So when the oversoul splits these
different aspects out into the universe or whatever, could be
on different planets, whatever, and they're all living out these

(59:45):
things at the same time. And that's why people say
you can do things like quantum jumping or changing timelines,
because all of this is happening at the same time.
So what I'm considering, and I'm not saying this as
a fact, but having revisited this weird thing Ouiji board

(01:00:05):
session from years ago, I think in that context it's
entirely at least plausible, Like you can make a case
for it as possibly being something that's real. So if
the Holy Ghost can, if Jesus, if Christ's consciousness can
split itself up and put itself into different people, and

(01:00:26):
why can't another entity? Why can't another deity do the
same thing. So that's something I'm exploring now. And then
there's a tie in with non human intelligence on what
we would traditionally think of as exterrestrials or interdimensional or

(01:00:46):
something like that, And there's a tie in there. So
it may be that some of these deities, these beings
were projecting a certain version of themselves to humanity in
order to interact with humanity. For example, a giant praying

(01:01:08):
manis you're not going to interact very well with that,
Right about a beautiful blonde woman You're gonna be more
more likely to interact with. So I think there's something
along that line going on as well. And that's like
where I'm at currently is exploring these aspects.

Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
So is that essentially why you've had several UFO sightings
you think?

Speaker 3 (01:01:32):
I It may be it's all tied up together. I
don't know how, but it's all related. But I can
talk about the UFO sightings if you want, Yeah, please do, Okay.
The one that stands out the most is the orange sphere,
and these get these are fairly popular it's just a

(01:01:52):
big orange ball. And I was actually watching a UFO
show and I the show was over and I went
out to do some mundane shore take out the trash
or something in my driveway, and I see this orange
sphere up in the sky. It's some distance away, and
it had to have been pretty large for the distance

(01:02:15):
that it was. I would say it was maybe a
mile away. And it moved a short distance and it
would leave a trail of itself and then it would
stop and this trail would catch up with it. And
it did that four times, move a short distance and
this trail of itself would catch up with it. And

(01:02:39):
I didn't have my phone with me, and I said,
I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go get my phone. See
if I can get video this thing. I've seen it,
so I can say I've seen it now. I'm gonna
try and get the video. So when in got the
phone came out, of course it was gone. Now interestingly enough,

(01:02:59):
again this two guests ago on the show, the same
one that had the euphoria feeling, also saw one of
these orange spheres and she and her daughter saw it
when her daughter was twelve years old. This was some
time ago, maybe ten, twelve, fifteen years ago, on the

(01:03:20):
fourth of July, she said, they were walking to some
fireworks and they saw what they thought was a Chinese lantern.
This was in broad daylight, and it turned out not
to be a Chinese lander. It was one of these
orange spheres. And then they didn't have any memory after that,
and then the following fourth of July, like they both
remembered at the same time, so apparently they both had

(01:03:42):
some missing time after they saw this orange sphere. She
described it exactly as this orange sphere that I saw.
And it's really interesting to me that this random guest
has had a couple experiences that kind of line up
with my experience. But that was it for that. I
just saw it. I tried to get it on video

(01:04:03):
and I didn't. Then there was another orb that's sitting
in my living room. I hear these. I get strange
aircraft over my house occasionally, and I can hear fighter
jets and I'm like, what in the world are And
you can hear them they're flying around. So it sounded
like two of them flying low back and forth, and

(01:04:24):
so I'm going to go out and see what's going
on here. I grabbed my phone, see if I can
get video of these fighter jets, and they're like trailing
off and I see this is a white orb kind
of off in the distance and it was blinking, and
so I was like, oh, I'm going to get a

(01:04:45):
video of this, and of course my phone is dead
and so it's like damn it. So I had another phone.
It was my work phone, so I went in and
grabbed that and I was able to get some video
of it. But I interacted with this thing and it

(01:05:07):
was like blinking, it was hovering, it would move a
little bit. I said, can you shoot off for me?
And it blanked out and then it came back. And
when I played the video Lank Eater, you can see
it shoot off, but I couldn't see it like when

(01:05:28):
I was watching it. And then it came back and
this thing gave me a download. And at this time,
I was just starting my podcast. This was only three
years ago, two or three years ago. I was just
starting my podcast. And when I first started my podcast,
my idea was just like every other UFO podcast, I

(01:05:50):
was gonna talk about weird UFO sightings. And my goal
in going out there with my phone was to get
a video that I could put on my social media.
That was what I wanted to do. And so I
was hoping to get a video of this thing i
could put it on Instagram, and this thing gave me
a download that now I've since gotten many downloads, but

(01:06:14):
I divide them into two categories. What I call statement
download and what I call concept download. It's a statement
download is just like a sentence. A concept download is
like a whole idea concept that just like drops in
and that usually kicks in like gradually, it's not like instantaneous.

(01:06:37):
And so I got a download from this order and
the download was basically, that's not what we want you
to do. We don't want you trying to get pictures
of UFOs posting UFOs online. We don't want that to

(01:06:59):
be your you know, the purpose of what you're doing.
We want you to go deeper than that. So that's
fine for other people, but not for you. So we
don't want you doing this thing where you're trying to

(01:07:23):
get videos to put online, or we don't want your
work to be at this superficial level of UFOlogy's. We
want you to look deeper into this stuff. And so
I was like, okay, so I said, okay, so I

(01:07:45):
out of respect for the message that I got, I'm
not gonna do anything with this video. And I never
did anything with the video. So yeah, that was the
download that I got from that ORB. So that was
pushing me. It's where I am now and where I'm
going with my show. I'm trying to start out Aliens

(01:08:07):
for Beginners was kind of what it was going to be,
but I get into some word like deeper, so I
really delve into some stuff. So that's yeah, that was
the download that that ORB that I got from that ORB.

Speaker 2 (01:08:21):
Have you ever experienced the silent downwashless black helicopters?

Speaker 3 (01:08:30):
No, I have not experienced those.

Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
So you feel like when the UFOs come in some
of the time, then jets could accompany that sighting they.

Speaker 3 (01:08:45):
Did that time. That's I'm trying to think if I
don't even know, there might not even have bing jets.
I heard the jets, but I'm I'm wondering, like did
they do that to get my attention to get me
to come out, you know what I'm saying. So I
don't even know, but I've seen like weird aircraft just

(01:09:07):
doing weird things, and like I've put a couple of
the TikTok is my primary social media. Put a couple everyone,
So I'll put one of those on TikTok and someone
who's like an aircraft personal chiming and say, yeah, that
is weird. But no, none of your traditional black helicopters
or anything like that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:26):
I need to be better about TikTok. I've only put
two videos up literally too. On TikTok. It's actually a
much more positive place than especially Twitter and even Facebook
at times.

Speaker 3 (01:09:40):
Well, let me tell you something. I'm a big believer
in TikTok. There's something different about it. And I have
met so many cool people on TikTok. And I have
interviewed several people on my show that I met in
a comments section of one of my posts on TikTok.
I've got an interview tomorrow, same thing.

Speaker 2 (01:10:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:10:02):
And I don't know like I have I don't know
like I'm working on thirty five hundred followers on TikTok.
Somehow I only have eighty six on Instagram and fifty
one on X So. I don't know. But TikTok, there's
something different about TikTok. I highly recommend it for anybody

(01:10:23):
into this stuff and you you're surprised at what comes out.
For example, the first episode that I ever published on
the podcast was called the Mantis. It's on the praying
mantus aliens and the Linda Porter case, which is a
case where she was taking a border craft and basically
her soul was moved out of her body into a
clone and weird, like weird niche kind of thing, right,

(01:10:48):
And I put a slide show on TikTok about this case,
and the slide show currently has like over three hundred
thousand views. I don't know how many thousands of likes,
and maybe I don't know, fifteen hundred comments. I don't know.
But the sheer number of people who have chimed in

(01:11:10):
that they have had experiences with these praying manass is amazing.
And every time that I post something about the praying manass,
there's always a handful of people at chiming and say,
oh yeah, I've seen these, Oh yeah, I dream about these,
Oh yeah, these visited me when I was a child.
Is yeah, Unlike I don't get that anywhere else except

(01:11:32):
on TikTok. Are there all these people crazy?

Speaker 4 (01:11:35):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:11:35):
I don't think so. And I think they've had experiences,
but yeah, I highly recommend TikTok.

Speaker 2 (01:11:40):
You had missing time when you were a kid, you
haven't had any other missing time that you're aware of.

Speaker 3 (01:11:48):
Not that I'm aware of. No, I don't know, and
I'm I've been told that Like in the Linda Porter case,
when she was taken aboard this crash, she was told
by spraying mannas that they could take people out of
time and put them back without without time passing essentially,
So if they can do that, yeah, I don't know,

(01:12:11):
but that's that maybe that's some more advanced form of it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:15):
But also then again, it takes someone else being around
you to even bring up the fact that you were gone,
because when you were a kid, you're like, I didn't
go anywhere. Your parents like, yeah you did. Where the
hell you've been? Yeah, yeah, So you have to have
that kind of that outside source to go what the hell?

Speaker 3 (01:12:31):
Yeah, all right, we're going. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:12:34):
Yeah, it's that's just one of those things. Not everybody
experiences all aspects of the kind of one oh one
of the abductions, But the I do know when it
comes to the Mantis beings, it's kind of like the
dog Man you don't hear of a good dog man
encounter story. Ever, some can be slightly more, but when

(01:13:01):
it come it's the same thing with the mantis beings.
I've never heard of someone going, I love the manta beans.
I want to see them all the time.

Speaker 3 (01:13:07):
They do. People do love the mantis beings. Yeah, oh yeah, yep,
I get I've got more positive than negative feedback about
the mantis.

Speaker 2 (01:13:17):
Oh I've heard that's wild.

Speaker 3 (01:13:18):
Yeah, really it's weird. I know some people like some
people say they're demons and oh they're evil, they eat kids.
But some will say, oh, no, I know, they come around.
I love them, they're cool.

Speaker 2 (01:13:30):
Oh that's why I've not heard that aspect of it. Okay, yeah, oh.

Speaker 3 (01:13:36):
So yeah, some people like these manti mantis be that's good. Here,
I remember, yeah, I remember from one of your episodes,
woman who describing a golden disc coming in her window
and next to her bed, a beautiful blonde woman appeared,
and I think she said to this woman, I know

(01:13:58):
that's not your true form. And the woman said, if
you want to see my true form, look out the window.
And she looked at the window and there was a prank.
Mannis so that I think that these beings. Now, my
impression of these mannuses is that they're ancient, wise scientist types,
like they're doing long term projects. If they're not empathetic

(01:14:23):
or if they're not compassionate, at least they understand that
they're scary and they try to manage that. But my
impression is they're like straight up scientists doing a job
kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (01:14:34):
Yeah, very well, could be. All right, we're going to
switch gears again, and let's talk about the apparition in
broad daylight.

Speaker 3 (01:14:42):
Oh yeah, this is the only time that I've seen
a ghostly apparition in broad daily And this was at
my mother's house, the house in the historic House in Delaware,
the second one that I told you about. After she
had passed away, the souse fell on me to do
something with it. And so I was over there poking

(01:15:08):
around seeing what I had to deal with. And I
was in the backyard and there was all kinds of
like crazy plants and fruit trees, and you know, there's
a bunch of junk in the backyard, and I spooked
this thing. It was like a white mist. It was

(01:15:31):
maybe eighteen inches to two feet long, and it was
low to the ground and it took off, and it
took off across the backyard. It was a white like
a white smoke, and it dig zagged around all the obstacles,
almost like a snake or something, and it just took off.

(01:15:54):
But yeah, it was a white mist like a white smoke.
It was sentient. It was clearly sentient. And I don't know,
I have no idea what to this day, I have
no idea what it was. I don't know if it
was like a nature spirit or the ghost of a
pet or I don't know. But yeah, that was. It
was actually a pretty cool thing to see. I'm glad

(01:16:14):
that I saw that.

Speaker 2 (01:16:15):
Yeah, I agree, I love that one. I would love
to see that at any point in time. Yeah, well, no,
I take it back. Maybe not in the middle of
the night at the edge of my best that's not
quite much fun.

Speaker 3 (01:16:27):
And we, yeah, and we did, Like me and my
daughter went through the house and took a lot of
pictures and went down the bay, you know, creepy old
dirt basement. And when we looked at the pictures later,
there were all kinds of orbs and all kinds of
stuff in the pictures. That was cool to see all
the orbs and stuff. And what was interesting is she

(01:16:47):
had an apartment out back. There's like an attached garage
with an apartment above it that she ran it out,
and I had found it was sitting there empty. So
I'd found some tenants for and I kinda chip for her.
And they would call me whenever my mom gave him
a hard time and my mom did something I don't
know that they didn't like, and he calls me in.

(01:17:09):
He's like, hey, Pat, and he's like, he says, by
the way, do you know this place is haunted? I said,
That's what I've been told, and he's like, yeah, this
place is really haunted. He said, but I can handle that.
So it was he was okay with it being haunted.
He just had issues with his landlady. He said that
they had their bed actually lift up. I don't know

(01:17:32):
how to Oh whoa. Yeah, I don't know about that one.

Speaker 2 (01:17:36):
But did you ever look into the history of that house?

Speaker 3 (01:17:40):
Not officially. I only know what she told me about it.

Speaker 2 (01:17:46):
Did you want to cover some of your psychic readings
and past life regressions?

Speaker 3 (01:17:52):
Yeah, sure, I can go however long you want a
big deal past life regression really interesting. So this happened
last year. So I had a guest coming on who
does past life regressions, and she offered to do one

(01:18:13):
for me for free. She's very fairly popular, and this
was like a four four or five hundred dollars value.
I was like, hell, yeah, I'm doing it. So she
was gonna do it. We were doing this past life
regression before the episode, before the recording, and so it
had to be rescheduled once. And as soon as I

(01:18:37):
agreed to do it, I got the sense that my
guides I hate the term spirit guides because I hate
all New Age verbiage, so I call them divine guidance,
my divine guidance. I knew my divine guidance wasn't too
cool with me doing this, and so it was foiled.
Like the first attempt was foiled. I had to be rescheduled,

(01:19:00):
and I was like, look, I'm doing this, is free.
She's going to be a guest. I said I would
do it. I'm doing it. So we got set up,
did the hypnosis and I recalled some of it and
I had the recording of it that she sent me,
but I did not get into any past life stuff whatsoever.

(01:19:27):
And what did come up was something from my childhood
on Long Island, which was a family tragedy that I
was aware of. My mother's sister was killed in a
car crash somewhere around nineteen seventy, and I was aware
of that, but I wasn't aware of the far reaching

(01:19:50):
effect that it had. And that was actually, like, they're
one of the main reasons why I ended up in
Delaware moving out of state. Aside from that, nothing was
coming up. And so she asked me, asked my higher
self to step forward. I remember something's coming forward, and
I said that must be my higher self. I said,

(01:20:12):
it's here. It wasn't. It wasn't my higher self. It
was these beings what I'll call my spirit guides, my
divine guidance. And they spoke to their practitioner directly through me,
and basically they said, Patrick is one of us. We

(01:20:37):
will reveal to him what he needs to know when
he needs to know it, and we protect him. Basically,
we got him. And so she started asking like some
other questions, and without having the transcriptor in front of
or anything, but it was basically they told this is

(01:21:02):
them speaking to her. And my sense is like it
was a group of a spokesman because there was always
a delay. And they told her that I am a
truth teller and I am here to tell the truth.
That's my job. And they said that there's something in

(01:21:25):
me that will not allow me to ultimately be deceived,
and that though I may be initially deceived in something,
or I may follow along with something, that ultimately I
will not be deceived. And ultimately I'll see the truth
and I'll speak the truth. And so my job here

(01:21:49):
in this incarnation is to be a truth teller. And
that was not what I expected I expected to hear.
I was some I don't know, somebody in Egypt building
the pyramids or something, and so that's what that's what

(01:22:11):
came out of that. And she asked them, is there
anything like the last thing? She asked him, is there
anything you want to tell him? And they said yes,
that we are proud of him. So that was nice. Yeah,
that that was what came out of that past life regression.
And then after it, I was like, I thought, that
was all right, that's I didn't expect that. So I'm

(01:22:34):
expecting this practitioner to film me. They brief me, right, Oh, yeah,
this happens all the time. But she was like bye,
she was done. She had no comment, and to this
day I haven't spoken to her about it. That was it.
I was on my own. I was on my own
with that information.

Speaker 2 (01:22:51):
With what you will.

Speaker 3 (01:22:53):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, That's where I'm at with that. Now
it cracks for me. It makes sense to me. I'm
on my spiritual journey so far, and that that kind
of told totally makes sense to me. And if it's
in with the others, like the Christian cult like I was,
I was. I was involved in something that wasn't though sketchy, right,

(01:23:19):
but at the same time, it was a learning experience
and I now have context for it decades later that
I didn't have then. And so that was all part
of the journey, basically my learning process. And when you
think about awakening, new age, ascensioned, all this, it's really

(01:23:42):
popular right now. And what I'm going to say is
that process takes time. Whether someone waking up now, it
doesn't happen instantaneously, because mine's taking place over decades, and

(01:24:02):
so anyone who's experiencing some sort of an awakening process
just needs to be aware that it's not instantaneous. It
takes a lot of time. For that spiritual awakening.

Speaker 2 (01:24:18):
Do you still utilize a pendulum for contact purposes?

Speaker 3 (01:24:22):
I do not know. I think that thing that was
turned off for me. They don't want me to use that.
I tried to use it here and there just to
get a quick answer on something, and it doesn't work.
So I don't have that. I don't have that anymore.
But it was replaced with better stuff. You know, when

(01:24:44):
you're using that. I think one of the problems is
a lot of different things can jump in there and
then you don't know who you're talking to, and so
I think that's one problem with that, and I think
that's one reason why my divine guidance doesn't want me
messing with it is that. And I think it was

(01:25:04):
a good an introductory experience into the reality of the
fact that these things are out there. So early on, yeah,
it was okay. I think I'm like, I'm past that,
Like I'm advanced past that now.

Speaker 2 (01:25:24):
Yeah, I suppose you could be messing with more of
a trickster element.

Speaker 3 (01:25:28):
Right, there were some tricksters. Yeah, there were some tricksters
that chimed in and just okay whatever. But yeah, there
were there's some very playful not even really meaning harm
just I don't know, just silliness. There's a lot of
silliness in there in the astral.

Speaker 2 (01:25:50):
Well, Patrick, I cannot thank you enough for being willing
to come on and have this chat with me. I
very much enjoyed it. You were welcome back anytime, and
before I let you go, let everyone know where they
can find you and the podcast.

Speaker 3 (01:26:05):
Yeah. Sure, and it's been my pleasure to be here
and I do appreciate it a lot. Coming on. I
enjoyed talking. Anytime you want to have me back, let
me know. So the podcast is Aliens for Beginners. It's
a Spotify and Apple podcasts or the primary and it's
it's on I know, a whole bunch of different platforms.
It's on platforms I never even heard of. When I

(01:26:27):
look at my analytics, I probably I don't know a
dozen different platforms. So I guess anywhere you listen to
your podcasts. And my primary social media outlet is TikTok
on there's Patrick roy Or at Aliens for beginner beginner
it singular. I'm also on I'm on Instagram at Aliens
beginning at Allens for Beginner's Pod, I'm on X I'm

(01:26:49):
on dreads, a little bit of trying to work with
substack a little bit. I'm on Facebook. I do have
an Alien's for Beginner's podcast YouTube channel. It's not I
haven't devoted I haven't put much effort into it. There's
some stuff on there, there's some good stuff on there,
but I haven't devoted any time to building that up.
I got to work on that a little bit more. Oh,

(01:27:10):
and I also have for anyone who's interested in magic
or the occult. I split off a second podcast specifically
for that stuff because I'm interested in that stuff and
I didn't want to I was mixing it in with
the ailing stuff, and I just split off a separate podcast,
and that's called the Huloopu Tree Podcast h U l

(01:27:34):
Uppu and that's based on the spray of Ena on
the Haloopoh Tree, and that is currently on Spotify and
Apple Podcasts.

Speaker 2 (01:27:42):
I'm glad I didn't have to say a couple of
these different names and words, and you were there at
the SEC. I'm glad I didn't find that first and
go what about the Hallopapoo Tree podcast? Butcher it somehow?
Thanks again, Patrick, Hey.

Speaker 3 (01:27:57):
My pleasure. Thank you.

Speaker 5 (01:28:02):
Well, I'm sorry so I was given a name by
my parents. My business. I've been out of college, I've
done these things as my profession, and I produce a
little bark. But it says, forget it, that's not that's
something for a story.

Speaker 3 (01:28:16):
That's all gone, that's all passed.

Speaker 5 (01:28:18):
And I want to see that really you you are now.

Speaker 3 (01:28:21):
But nobody knows what their names.

Speaker 5 (01:28:24):
Because we don't know our selves except wore listening to
our egos and consulting are the members And then that's
a really And then again it's expect this question.

Speaker 3 (01:28:39):
What are you?

Speaker 2 (01:28:41):
That is the meaning.

Speaker 5 (01:28:44):
We shall see how they play with this extent by
the Cots to get you.

Speaker 3 (01:28:49):
To come out of your.

Speaker 5 (01:28:50):
Show and find out.

Speaker 4 (01:28:52):
How you're very hard. Its steps, it's it's it's that

(01:29:34):
speaks it. It's its.

Speaker 3 (01:30:45):
For example, are quite divided on us.

Speaker 5 (01:30:47):
They will say, no, we don't believe literally in reincarnation
that after your funeral you will suddenly become somebody different
to being somewhere else. They will say, reincarnation means this,
And if you're sitting here now, are really convinced that
you're the same person a boording at the door half

(01:31:09):
an hour ago, You'll be reincoming if you're liberate with
remas now that you're gone.

Speaker 3 (01:31:17):
The past hasn't existence.

Speaker 4 (01:31:20):
The future does existence.

Speaker 5 (01:31:22):
There is only the present. That's the only amenian that
there is. The send Master, don't get away in this place.

Speaker 4 (01:31:29):
In the same.

Speaker 5 (01:31:31):
Spring does not become something. First there is something, and
then there is spring.

Speaker 4 (01:32:06):
It's it's it's it's, it's, it's, it's it that's.

Speaker 5 (01:33:29):
T sl isn't. That's the same idea where he says,
when you settled down in the train to read your newspaper,
and so you're not the same person.

Speaker 3 (01:33:41):
While we go live the platform.

Speaker 5 (01:33:44):
If you think you are, you are linking your moments
up in the check And this is what binds us
the wheel when you know that every moment of which
you are is the only moment. This comes into the
air and the Master will say from somebody, I cannot
have a walk across the room and it can't be back.

(01:34:06):
And he says, where are your foot?

Speaker 4 (01:34:10):
They've gone?

Speaker 5 (01:34:12):
So where are you?

Speaker 2 (01:34:13):
Who are you?

Speaker 5 (01:34:14):
When we are asked who we are, we usually give
a kind of recitation of an instrum in strength for
instences

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