iNTO THE FRAY 515: Bigfoot: Coshocton County

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The infinite complaces people went to and pro fears about
their little affairs, serene in the assurance of their dominion
over this small binning fragment of solar driftwood, which, by
chance or design, man has inherited out of the dark
mystery of time and face.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
On this episode of Into the Pray, I welcome Mark
Mills on with me and he is a Bigfoot researcher
out of Ohio and I am so looking forward to
talking about Bigfoot for the entire episode. Mark, welcome on
the show.

Speaker 3 (01:20):
Thank you, Thank you for having me.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
So, you know, we probably had to start with this,
How in the world did you get into Bigfoot? How
did this all start for you?

Speaker 3 (01:32):
All? Right, Well, when I was a youngster in Hawaii,
my dad took me to the movies and we saw
this movie called The Monster or the Legend of Boggy Creek,
and I like, wow, I didn't know I had a monster.
I thought I was all hockey. But they had that
movie and they kind of stuck in the back of
my head. And then as time went on, monster quests

(01:52):
come out and they were talking about, you know, each
episode they had different things, different monsters, and they big
it was one episode on Huh that's pretty wid so
kind of give me a flashback to the movie as
a youngster, and I'm like wow. So in nineteen ninety seven,

(02:14):
I had a friend that lived over in Woodsfield, Ohio.
He said, Hey, let's go check the woods out at
night over there, and I said that sounds good. So
at the time I lived in Columbus, Ohio, So we
had to drive down to Woodsfield, Ohio, which was like
southeast to Columbus. And we get out there and it's
like in December, right, So in December, what's around frost? Right,

(02:37):
We're out there like eleven thirty at nine. We're tomping
through these woods. Never been in my life. We just
went out there, you know, for giggles, and we find
this tree and on this one tree, every branch going
straight up was twist snap and the brute strength to
do that. Just I was sitting there glking, going wow,

(02:59):
how could something that wasn't damage from the wind, that
wasn't a tree fell, This was actually twist snapped straight
up this tree. And I was taking pictures right with
a thirty five millimeter camera. And as we're sitting there
and we're all talking about this. There's a fence line
going through there, an old bob war fence line, and

(03:19):
on that bob war fence line, we found some hair,
but I think it was dear hair. But what I
think happened was this creature was coming through there and
tripped on it and he whatever it was, got up
mad and just you know what I'm saying, tearing these
branches because I never seen nothing like this. So I'm
getting these pictures. And as we're sitting there right here,
you go, you ready for this, kicker, this is what happened.

(03:42):
He went. Let me tell you something. There's no tree
frogs anywhere in America. I know, when there's frost on
a tree croaking, you follow me. So at that point
we all just about face and there we go, and
we got out of the wood, and I'd say that
was my first encounter with the creature. No high.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
Now, did you guys go out there thinking the word
bigfoot or you just wanted to go traps around in
the woods at night.

Speaker 3 (04:12):
Well, it's the combination of both. Like I said, we
just wanted to go see because Monster Quest was on
at the time and we were just like, let's go
check this out. And see what's gonna happen. And like
I said, it was all s and giggles. And so
we're out there and we find this tree. I got
the pictures beautiful, all these branches tore up, and this
will come in to play later on in Down the

(04:34):
Road in this interview. So anyways, we get out of
the woods and that I would say that was my
first encounter with bigfoot, because let me tell you that
there ain't no tree frogs want in the winter. You
following me, that's a giveaway of something wrong. But anyways,
that was my first encounter. So the next year in

(04:57):
March in the Columbus Dispatch, they came out with this
newspaper clip and say, hey, there's gonna be a Bigfoot
conference in Ohan. I'm like what. And that's when I
met you, I believe was at that conference. I'm in
ninety eight maybe, and that's when Don Keating had the
white Bigfoot video where the creature was running down the road.

(05:21):
And so I got to that conference and I and
I went there with like the reporter's attitude, just writing
information down right like they were back then. I think
John Horgan was there talking about the somebody was talking
about the Java Man and uh some other people at
the conference. But anyways, that's what really got me going

(05:44):
was at Columbus Dispatch paper same Bigfoot in the high
there was like twelve sidings that previous year. And that's
first time I seen any paper clipping of that. You
know what I'm saying, Now, what did.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
Your family think about you being into big Foot and
going out into the woods to try to search for
the big gay.

Speaker 3 (06:04):
Well, back in that day, you were considered on drug Yeah,
you're on drugs. There ain't no damn thing in the
woods that's running around, ain'ting bushing in all these years.
And I'm like, oh, yeah, well let's go camping. And
every time I vice my camp and you know what, oh,
I got plans because they're scared. See how full of
big foot people don't know that we're number six in

(06:26):
the nation. That's a fat because down in my camp
they run on the mountain all the time. Down in
Adams County, Ohio, they're just they're down there. But the
thing is with them is I don't bother them. They
don't bother me.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
Are you of the mind that you go out and
you just do your thing? And if they're interested in
you great? Or do you go out and you do
tree knocks or do you do any kind of call?
What kind of things do you implement? Oh?

Speaker 3 (06:57):
I do everything under the sun that they that doesn't work.
I got a video, Shannon, that I need my help
me to pull a picture off of. That's a juvenile
sash squatch looking at me and there's wood knocks and
all this on the video, which is later. But then
I got a thermal image of three of them, one
of them throwing a rock at me. This is all

(07:18):
on thermal image. I ain't got nobody's got to see it,
but maybe Cliff Brackman. He's told me is raccoons, And
I'm like, well, how do raccoons throw rocks at you? Buddy?
He isn't say nothing. But anyways, I got that video.
And then I got video of a white one moving
a branch away and then it goes back. But I
don't know. It's on a chip. And I got all
these chips. I went through them. I'm always busy. But

(07:41):
to get back to your question on that, when I
go out in the woods, I'll do wood knocks, I'll
do the house. I do streams. I learned a lot
in all these years. Like the very first thing you
should do when you get out of any vehicles turn
on your recorder, period because I missed two stream events
just not having them on getting out vehicles where a
woman's sounds like should be a murdered. But anyways, I

(08:04):
do it all like, Okay, I'm gonna give you some instances,
like or do you want to hear about my very
first encounters?

Speaker 2 (08:12):
Wherever you want to go, Mark, I.

Speaker 3 (08:14):
Can go everywhere. I just should start out where it
all started for me. My first big foot encounter were
scared to pooh out of me. Okay. I went camping
the first time ever in Ohio in ninety eight after
that Bigfoot conference or as before, I can't remember if
it's before is in May, so I just tell you
I went camping and May we went out to a

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place called Holy Road down there in Wayne National Force.
And what we did was we parked at his grandpa's
property and we hiked up this ridge and went maybe
a quarter of a mile to an overhang that was
actually right on the edge of Wayne National For I
mean it's like right on the borderline, but you're like
a hundred yards up a hill. Off the road in

(08:57):
this overhang, and it's a big overhang like a shoot.
I can stand up and just about touch the seal
and you might come out about six foot from the
back wall. And then it was like a third of
a tar just shoved in the hill. And so we
hiked up in there. We got I lived at Columbus
and this is way down there in Wayne National Force.
So we went down there May. It took us. We

(09:19):
got there about midnight. Tommy unloaded. Everything was two in
the morning, so we're just all I do was blew
up a blow up mattress and lead down on it
in this overhang. I was like, what if one of
these rocks fall off and crushed me. Oh, I said, oh, well,
don't worry about it. So I passed out for tonight,
woke up the next morning and we cooked breakfast. After breakfast,

(09:42):
we both got new guns. I had a shotgun and
my buddy h he had a pistol. So we just
started shooting for no reason. We throw something out boom
boom boom. We laughed out, hey, this is cool. So
we're in the middle of nowhere, I mean middle nowhere,
Wayne National. So later on that day we would go
out and get firewood all over the place. We would

(10:02):
get firewood here, and I'd go over here, and he say, hey, Mark,
over here, Hey, Mark, come over here, and we're getting firewood.
And for the night's firest we ended up getting cherry
wood because we're gonna cook steaks on the fire with
baked potatoes and corn on the cobs. So imagine that
just going through the woods right there. So we have dinner.

(10:23):
We eat dinner, starting to get dark, and this is
where stuff starts changing. As soon as it starts getting dark,
he's out there chopping firewood for the night's far after
we had dinner and throw our scraps down the hill.
My buddy Gregg's out there chopping wood. So I'm sitting
there on this picnic table they drug years ago, under
this overhang. I'm sitting there and I made a blind

(10:44):
with paper towels. And back in them days, our lanterns
were the old white gas where you had to pump
them up, so I had the lantern in there, so
I made a blind where the light wasn't in my eyes.
But I'm sitting in this overhang, just looking way out
in the woods at night, just to night set up
the evening. While he's chopping wood, all of a sudden,
I hear this franch go snap right over everything. I mean,

(11:06):
it was just a violent snap, and I'm like, what
the And I had this boom box plane while he's
chopping firewood, so immediately turned it off to hear what
the snap was. And I turned off and I was like, great, Greg,
did you hear that? And he goes what I said,
did you hear that snap? And he goes, what snap?
And I said that snap? I said, near mind. I
ain't playing the radio tomorrow night. So at that point

(11:29):
I'm sitting there and he gets done chopping for a minute.
So I go over there and I'm chopping on woods
for a minute, about ten minutes. And by this time
it's about nine fifteen and it's getting dark, about nine
nine thirty, i'd say. So I got sit down next
to him and while we're sitting there, all of a sudden,
whatever was out there picked up the end of this

(11:51):
tree is what it sounded like. Picked it up, lifted
up about five feet off the ground, and just went bam.
And I don't mean a branch, I mean like a
whole tree, because it literally shook the ground under our
feet in the overhang. And when that happened, I grabbed
my shot and started loading it up, and Greg got
his forty five and back in them days, all he

(12:12):
had was a little two D cell flashlight, so you know,
then didn't go too far right. So we're out there
trying to find what's made that noise, and it had
our tension right because I ain't never heard nothing do
that before. So we look around, we look around, we
don't see nothing. And as about another twenty thirty minutes

(12:34):
go by, we went back to relaxed mode and we're
sitting there and it's kind of quiet. Greg ends up
passing out on me at this point because he'd been
drinking beer all day. He was done and it's about midnight,
so he's gone on his cock, passed out, and I'm
sitting there and wondering what's making all this noise out there? Right,

(12:57):
So that's when it really was getting harry. The next
thing I heard was footsteps coming from my left down
this valley that was down below me, and they were
going and I don't mean like a human or deer
or you know them type sounds. This was like compression weight,

(13:17):
as if the feet were stepping down. You could hear
twists snapping from the compression. Just this was a big
daddy or mama, whatever it was was big because it
was it was. It was big. So what I would
do is take my camera. Name in the area is
oh throwaway camera. One of the ones disposable is I

(13:40):
had like twenty six pictures, and I I had a flash,
so I'd take the picture boom, and it would when
I would take the flash, it would stop dead. It
was like looking at me going down the valley, but
when the flashit and I would stop at boom, like, hey,
you got my eyesight. So I'm sitting there tripping and
Gregg's passed out, and this is going on. Now. This

(14:00):
is like after midnight. And this went on for like
forty five minutes from when it went from my left
all the way over to the right up the hill.
This went on for like forty five minutes, playing this
cat and mouse game taking pictures. So after that went on,
it got quiet for about thirty minutes. And now it's
like one thirty two in the morning, and whatever was

(14:23):
out there, Star's saked shaking a tree because it was quiet,
and this thing was shaking a tree. And I don't
mean just shaking it, it was taking it. It either
had like a six inch round tree maybe twenty feet
tall shaking that, or it climbed up a tree and
sat on a branch and put its arm around the
tree and was shaking a branch that way. But it

(14:45):
was definitely shaking a tree or a branch for like
thirty minutes, just going like saying, get out of my woods.
That's what I was taking that thread ass. It went
on for like thirty minutes and then it stopped. And
when it stopped, I freaked out and I ran over
my buddy Greg, and I started shipting, like, great, there's
something mount in the woods. Great, wake up, Great, Great.

(15:07):
He sits up. He lasts about five minutes before he
passes back out, and then by this time the heart
starts going. I'm like, this ain't good. This ain't good.
So at that point I'm gonna get back because that
starts freaking out. Okay, Then it got quiet, and then
now it started walking again, back the opposite way where

(15:31):
it came from. And then the next thing I know,
it must have circled back around, because it was right
on top of the overhang. And how I know that
was the fire was smalldering all night, right, so the
smoke was rising right outside the overhang, and it tried
to sniff me out, and when it went it sneeze.
And the only way I can describe the lung powers

(15:53):
if you ever heard of horse go, that was the
kind of lungs that had huge lungs. And but he
did three times, like three sneezes because of smoke guy
right in his nostril. And then it got quiet for
a while, and I'm really freaking out. Now this is
about four in the morning. Now I'm just I'm freaking

(16:15):
And then it got quiet for a while. And this
is what blew my mind was going to start going
and my name will go Mark crock Rock, Mark Crockrock,
Mark crock Rock six times guttural like that, And that
freaked me out bad, God's honest truth. So after that point,

(16:39):
I said, I got a shotgun. I will shoot you.
I'm gonna kill you. Whoever you are, I'm gonna kill you.
I'm gonna shoot you. I got a shotgun. About that time,
it got quiet again for about another twenty minutes. The
next thing it did, it grunted, went three big s
guttural grunts, and that freaked me out bad, and that's

(17:02):
when I said, I got my gun. I'm gonna shoot you.
I'm gonna shoot you. Then it got quiet again, but
this time the sun's starting to come up, because this
has been going on all night, just tormenting to me. Well,
my buddy's passed out, right, And then all of a sudden,
about five thirty morning, the boom lightning started in rain

(17:25):
just everywhere right, and I mean big rain drops were
coming down. So now I can't I have no perception
of nothing. It's just I'm blind. So at that point,
I think my lantern goes out and you never see
nobody run over there as fast as I did, like
they do the indie pick car tires. I'm doing the
white gas and the lantern, trying to get light back

(17:48):
because I'm terrified to dif at this point, got no light,
so I'm putting gas in my lannern and I'm getting
it filled up. I'm getting it. I mean it was
like five seconds, seemed like to do that because I'm terrified,
but I get pump it up, I get the lantern
going again. I'm telling my hands are shaking, the rain stops,

(18:08):
and then it's quiet again. There's nothing, it's just quiet.
So at this point I'm just chained smoking because at
that time I smoked, and I'm walking back and forth
with my shotgun and my little flashlight, just ready to
shoot anything. So I'm terrified, and I kept saying, God,
make the sun come up. God make the sun come up,
God make the sun come up. Well, finally the sun's

(18:30):
coming up. And then when Greg wakes up, when I'm
sitting there making some coffee and food, and I'm just
I'm just just wired out naturally from the thing's going
on all night, and he's like, what's wrong? And I said, uh,
remember when he went boom and all this stuff. He's like, yeah,

(18:51):
I thought you was shooting some and said now, so
we had company here all night, and he goes, well,
you got your wish, that's what you want. I said,
I didn't want to wish like that where I'm terrified
to death. Now. I just wanted to see something, not
to be terrified. You know what I'm saying. That's what
exactly happened on that first counter terrified me. Well, finally

(19:12):
I told him watch my back and I took my
shot going around the overhang, and I'm looking everywhere with
my shot. I'm ready to blast anything, cause I kept
saying I'm gonna shoot you. I'm going to kill you. Well,
thank you God, whatever it was was gone, right, So
I had to recruit myself for a minute because that
that just that's a disturbing night. That's just the first night, right,

(19:33):
So that's where I'm at at this point. That's what
night number two. I'm sorry, first night was nothing. The
second night was encounter. So at this point, we eat
some breakfasts and he said, let's go apop to hill
and I go, what you say? And he said, there's
a trail goes up top this hill. I said, really,
So we climb up this hill and there's this old

(19:55):
dilapidated house that's been in bedding with no roof, and
this is the lapidation, and you can tell animals been
living in and out this place. But what it was
was like a big gas ride away up there. They
went pretty far in the grass was kind of high,
about four foot high, but it was still right away.
They kind of kept the trees out for miles and

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then Greg Portel's perceeds telling me when I was a
kid up here. One day, something took off running like
a bear through here, and that's what Thanks for telling
me that now. But he said it looked like a bear.
He didn't know it just was run off for us,
took through there because it never stood up, so he
didn't know what that was. But anyways, we proceeded to

(20:43):
walk down that gas line for about a quarter mile
and when we did, on the right, there's this opening.
I teach you not. It was like eight foot high
going in and out of these woods and maybe five
foot wide like a doorway. I never see nothing. It
was like perfect they cut out of the woods up there,
and so we decided to walk in them woods. And

(21:05):
let me tell you something. At noon, it was pitch
black almost in these woods, and it had little ferns
interwoven all through the floor in there, and I started shaking,
and I'm like, this is where they come from, this
is their lair. We gotta get out of here. I
had the chills down my spine like the ebgb's like
we got goat. So we backed out of there, and
the whole time I felt like I was being watched.

(21:27):
And that that's when I first felt when people say,
you know, the feeling that was the feeling that being watched,
It's like, we're out of here. So we got out
of there, and what was amazing was we just decided
to drop down the hill from there right well, that's
where we ended that right above the over hag for
capa Like, huh, imagine that that's where they came from.

(21:49):
So the next night, his girlfriend comes up. This is
our last night there. His girlfriend comes up from Kentucky
to spend the night with us, and him and her
going this tent and uh. I told Greg he's gonna
stay on watch for a while, and I made him
a pot of coffee. I even drank me a little
because I've been up two days. I ain't had to sleep.

(22:11):
I'm like, really just frazzled at this point. So Greg's
sitting there and I laid down. And as soon as
I laid down, you hear this. It's like the only
way I could describe it was like somebody was pushing
afrigerator on a dolly through the woods, just tearing down
the woodches, cutting down the hill just and I jump

(22:34):
up and I get my little flash shot. I can't
see nothing, and uh, the thing was his dog. His
girlfriend brought the dog and it was running around in
the woods earlier when they got there. I think that's
part of what was going on. And that was like
at ten o'clock. So at that point I started to

(22:56):
drinking coffee. Did it? Greg goes, what was that?

Speaker 2 (22:59):
You?

Speaker 3 (23:00):
And I go think about it. Greg, does a deer
run through the woods like a freight train? Well? No,
and I go, I don't think that was a deer. Oh,
that's what I think it was. All right, Well, let
me tell you something. Go get in bed with your girlfriend.
So I told him to go get in bed, because
there goes my adrenaline jump again for the third time.

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So I started drinking coffee pretty heavy. So, uh, at
midnight it came the opposite way. It came up. Let's see,
it came across the hill. See it came across the
hill this time one way. So it came across at
ten o'clock at night. It came up and down the
hill at midnight, and then at one o'clock in the

(23:42):
morning it just ran some kind of crazy through the woods.
About one o'clock in the morning, I said I had
enough of this already again, So had a bunch of
trash and I don't know. I just threw it all
on the fire to like the whole woods up. It
just I made a big fire because I I'm so
proud at this time. I want to see whatever it is.

(24:08):
I never did see what it was, but that night,
I have to back up. That night when it was running,
when it was walking through the woods, that's when I
saw the eyeballs. They foot off the ground and they
were blue, and they were like an ape, and they
were far apart. They weren't like a human. They were
like ape apart, but they were blue, all blue. There

(24:29):
was no whites. It was like looking at just blue eyes,
like ape eyes. And that's what I think terrified me
the most that whole night was seeing the eyes. And
that's all I ever saw that creature that night, the
whole weekend. So when the sun was coming up and
Greg was sleeping, his girlfriend already had enough. So I
packed all my stuff because his girlfriend could drive him

(24:50):
back to three and a half hour's club is I'm
going home. I can't be out in the woods no more.
So I took off and went home to Columbus about
craft going home, But uh, that was my first encounter
of the bigfoot guy in O High that was number one.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
I mean, when when you finally got to see these eyes,
that must have been quite a stunning moment.

Speaker 3 (25:15):
That's what that's what freaked me out. See, I'm failed
to mention that when it that was the first thing
I saw after somewhere in the night, when it was
walking and making the walking noise. That's when I caught
the eyes when I was trying to take one of
the pictures. And that's what freaked ount was seeing them
eyes because they were big as golf balls, but they

(25:36):
were further wider than a human. But they were blue.
They weren't red, they weren't yellow green. They were blue
like like my eyes, but no whites. And it's like
the light blue and the bigger blue. But the thing
that freaked out was how far apart they were and
how big they were, size of golf balls. That's what

(25:56):
that's that's what I think terrified me the most. Because
I've been camping all my life in the woods since
i was a little guy. I was in cup scout
boy scouts, wee bows camped down, never had problems with bigfoots,
nipe hunt and Louisiana swamps as a kid or out Mississippi,
never had problem. But soon as I come to oh
first time, I'll go camp it ever, boom, guess you

(26:19):
are write it to Vista Ohio spleetchy. That's my first encounter.

Speaker 2 (26:24):
So how close then, were you to this creature to
be able to tell that he had blue eyes?

Speaker 3 (26:30):
Oh? He was only twenty five feet It was twenty
thirty foot, wasn't for And it was off the ground
a good six to eight foot because the hill was
going down grade. You'd have to see it. I got
pictures of the area, but to be there and know
the area and where the pictures are to match it up,
I'd have to take you back and blah blah blah.

(26:53):
But I would say this creature was there a bit
seven eight foot tall, just from the eye and the
noise and and shaking tree. Oh it tore the tree too,
I forgot. Did I tell you that where he's tore
the tree down? Did I say that?

Speaker 2 (27:08):
I don't know? If that I know, I think that
was in the.

Speaker 3 (27:10):
Second tree down to that. I don't mention that. But
it tore a tree down too. I got pictures of it.
It did that first too. It also see IM kind
of scattered on this because when I go back to that,
that story is so long ago. But if you go
to the BFR's website, I got it's all reported in
Gallia County, all the encounters all in my head down

(27:32):
there from the BFR. They even reported that it's probably
the longest story in the BFR, my encounter for Gallia County.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
So Mark, because you had built the fire up so much.
That's why you were essentially able to see his eyes
and everything. If you could see his eyes, could you
make out anything about his face much?

Speaker 3 (27:53):
No, all you could see was eyes. It's it was
you couldn't see. It was so dark that night. That
was the thing. And you got imagine, I'm under a
canopy of trees. There's no moonlight penetrating. It's dark. I mean,
it's dark. It was in the middle it is May
and it was dark. And it also was stormy night,
so clouds. There was no light. Yeah, it was. It

(28:14):
tore down it. See, I forgot to tell you after
it smashed the tree on the ground, it tore down
the tree, and that's what I forgot to mention too.
And then that's when it started walking through the woods
and then that's when I saw the eyes.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
So was it essentially blue eyeshine? Would you categorize it
as that?

Speaker 3 (28:33):
No, it was blue eyes. They weren't shine. I saw
the eyes. They were blue. They were blue. They were
definitely blue. Because that's what blew my mind. Was am
I looking at myself to death? They were blue? Just
they were blue? Because I got more stories talk about
down here. I like said, I'd be out here for hours.
I don't know how long it got because I had

(28:54):
three encounters, so I know that.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
I mean, Wayne National Forest is synonymous with bigfoot sidings.
A lot goes on in Wayne National Forest itself. I
mean really, all of Ohio has something. But what made
you guys choose that particular spot? Was there a reason
or you just ended up there?

Speaker 3 (29:16):
Oh? That spot was well, my buddy's been going there
since he's a kid. It's family plot, family land, and
that's why I went there. We didn't have to pay
the camp See it was like my first time camping
in Ohio. We go there when he first got out
of the car. When we got there, I failed to
mention he shot his pistol off. And I think that
attracted him too. That got their tension on why he

(29:38):
did that? I like, why'd you do that? Goes, I just
wanted to shoot it. That's nice, but that's him. That
was great. He's a wild guy, but he'd been camping
there all his life. See, I'm a new guy, and
I think what happened was too. This is my thought
when I always go back and think of it. Right,
if Bigfoot's territorial, like I've discovered all this and they
say they are and this and that, Well, during the

(29:59):
day when I'm out in the woods, guess what I'm doing.
I'm going over there to your nate and over there
to defecate over there to your Nate. And I don't
think big guy like that. New guys in my neighborhood.
See what I'm saying. He knew Greg, but he didn't
like me because I'm out there. That's my thought on
the whole thing. That was just that's what I come

(30:19):
up with.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
I mean, you guys were definitely making some ruckus. You
were shooting guns, and then you're cooking good food.

Speaker 3 (30:27):
You got good sells. You What I'm saying, everything we
did was attracting. When he hollered, we're chopping wood. That's
when I learned wood knocking. Chopping wood is associates wood chopping.
That attracts them too.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
Man, And you guys are playing music too.

Speaker 3 (30:43):
Yeah, music music, Yeah, whatever it was, we definitely attracted
this this one, and it was a big one because
it wasn't happy.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
I have to say I've never I don't think I
shouldn't say never, but I don't recall of anyone saying
they've heard big foot. It sneezed. Did you happen to
catch that on a recorder?

Speaker 3 (31:04):
No, I didn't have recorder. Like I said, I wasn't
looking for bigfoot that time, and back then we didn't.
We didn't have all the new tech. Doesn't when you
got pump up gas lantern like nowadays, you just got
propane or led, and back then was old. We're talking
ninety eight. Back then they're just when. That's when all

(31:25):
the new camping gears started coming. But that was my
first encounter and then and then what I did was
after that time, I started going out to Kashockton and
I got me a topographical map and I started going
swatching out at Kashockton. My first time out at Cashocktan
looking around. I found a three toe footprint, which I

(31:47):
got a picture of it, and it looked like a
hunter was falling in deer and the big food was
falling a hunter or something because they were all three
in the line, and that was wild. I got a
picture of that, but I didn't put no money or
footprint up to it or tape measure because I was
green horn at the time. I really wasn't a big
foot investigator. You start learning stuff, you know what I'm saying.

(32:09):
When you were a green horn at the stuff, you
don't know nothing. You learn all this on your own.
You try to hear other people's stories. I'm always fascinated.
I go hear other podcasts and this and that. But anyways,
we would go out and that's what we would do.
We get our top graphical map. Like I found that
same footprint up at a cemetery up in the hill
down there in Kashoktan by County Road six. Now I

(32:32):
take you out there and we'll have encounter guarantee. That
place is hot. They find footprints out there all the time.
But I go out there at night and it's a
hot spot always a County Road six. I just ain't
gonna tell people where, but that's a hot spot. So anyways,
when I go out in the woods and do all
this stuff, I'll do wood knocks, I'll do the house.

(32:54):
I have the recorders. I got a salt fork I
used to go out out there. I got a footprint
on the Orange Loop. I've had over thirty two encounters
with bigfoot where rocks or sticks come at me, and
all these years of research. If you go to my
Facebook page Buckeye Squatch or and look under my pictures,

(33:16):
you can see all the bigfoot stuff that's going on
down in Adams County and in OHI stick structures. I
find stick structures down in Adams County everywhere by my property.
I'm always looking for him. My second encounter, I gotta
go find this one now, was in the same spot.

(33:38):
The first one happened in May. The second one was
in September, in the same area, the same place. My
first encounter, the same overhang. We were camping there, and
I can't sleep there at night at that overhang. Again,
it was a three day weekend. It was three o'clock
in the morning, and I can't sleep there at night.
So what I do is I take my flashlight and

(34:00):
passes along the ground and up in the trees when
I was there, because that's how terrified I am in
that area. The third night there, the Sunday night is
three and morning actually Monday morning because there's a holiday,
I'm doing my scan to my left, to my right,
and boom, there's something standing there in front of me.

(34:20):
And this one was seven foot tall. His shoulders were
four foot wide. The color of it was like a
blonde Cocker Spaniel dog and it was just frozen right
in front of me. And I'm sitting there freaking out,
and Greg's sleeping because I can't sleep there. And I

(34:41):
got the light on this thing, and I'm like, what
am I looking at? And so I'm looking at it,
just trying to figure it out. And by this time,
it squatched down into a squat position. And when he
did that, it blew my mind. So I had to
run back about ten foot to get my shotgun and
run back in the woods. It was gone. That was
my second encounter. I never heard or saw that one,

(35:04):
but when I saw it standing there, that's when it
was busted.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
How close were you to it?

Speaker 3 (35:11):
That one was another twenty five foot right there in
front of me. It wasn't far away by twenty five
foot right there. It was right there. That was freaky.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
So the grabbing of the gun was just a reaction
to this physical size of this thing.

Speaker 3 (35:28):
Yeah, that was That's well. You got to remember I
had that first encounter where the thing mimicked my name,
So I'm already on edge from the months ago. And
when I saw this thing squat down, that's when I
freaked because that's when it snapped me out of what
trance I'm looking at this thing and that's when I
run for my gun because I wasn't holding it. I
just like I said, when I busted it with my light,

(35:49):
I wouldn't even have my gun. That's it. Just when
it squatted, it just made me go into that fight
or flight, and it was fight. So I went for
my gun. And when I run back out the light
looking around, and it was gone. I didn't even hear
where it went to. Is that quite? Just gone?

Speaker 4 (36:03):
Now?

Speaker 2 (36:03):
Before the light trained on that bigfoot. Finally, how long
had you been doing your scanning motion at that point?

Speaker 3 (36:11):
Oh? Every thirty forty minutes all night, all night, I
did that all No, I can't sleep there at them woods. No,
I don't sleep in them woods that since my first counter.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
So I do love this though, because you're not the
first person to do this kind of thing. But you
went back to a place that really pretty much terrified you.
You have a friend Greg that just sleeps through everything,
so it's pretty much just you going through this stuff
by yourself pretty much. So you I would classify you

(36:44):
as you know, you get bit by the bigfoot bug
and even though it's scary, you are willing to go
back to the scene of the crime essentially and put
yourself back through any kind of trauma that may happen.

Speaker 3 (36:57):
Yes, because it's it's all reality, It's all true. There's
no hokey pokey to be for. Like I always tell people,
if you want to see the creature, I'll take you out. Well,
I know a lot of spots how we go to,
but it's like fishing. Though. If they're there, they'll let
you know. If they're not, it could be just a
quiet night and sometimes they don't let you know they're there.

(37:18):
It all depends on the circumstance.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
What about the net So was that the end of
that evening? Once you went and got your your gone,
it was gone by the time you came back. Did
you in the morning, did you check for any footprints
or tree twists anything like that.

Speaker 3 (37:34):
Yeah, yeah, I look around there. I always look around.
But the ground there in that portal hio is so
rocky and a little bit dirt. It's more rocky area
because it's I don't know how to scribe because it's
hilly rocky. Yeah, it doesn't really have enough ground where
you can get any good impressions. You can see indentations
like I got on my first encounter on a picture,

(37:56):
and like the tree that it tore up. I got
pictures a lot of stuff on from thirty five millimeter
back in the day, so that stuff ain't been hooked
like AI And that's all they want to talk about.
But yeah, they I don't know how many. Like it's
salt fork I can find. I can take you on
trails back there. They're back there. They like throwing rocks

(38:19):
and sticks at me though, because they always think I'm
carrying my camcork, my camera and my video cameras I got.
I don't know if they try to think it's a
weapon or something, but they like throwing rocks to get
you out of there, or sticks it's Salt Fork's loaded
with any any park in Ohio, any woods in Ohio,
Bigfoot's gonna be there. It just depends if he's moving

(38:40):
through or if that's his home. They're everywhere in how
there's so many places to hide. They got food, water, shelter,
running water. They travel a lot of old reclaimed strip
mines from back in the cold days. They're not far
from the Appalachian Mountains, which I'm sure they can travel

(39:01):
to the front quickly. They follow the Ohio rivers what
I think mostly the Ohio River, up and down the
river along the inland a little bit. My third encounter,
we were at Salt Fork one year I can't remember.
This is in the two thousands, and we were at

(39:24):
the stone House. It was just after summers when they
shut the place down, the terrace. They shut down the
stone House in October. We were staying there and me
and Natman. It's one of my buddies, Nat Man from
up in Akron and a blue tracker. I know them guys,
and I know Mike Miller, Mike Feltner. They're from uh,

(39:47):
Mike Miller, Mike Feldner. They go by a to do
the night stalkers here in Ohio. They got a good
audio they got from down there in Adams County by
my camp that they went on National TV with. But anyways,
Bigfoot likes uh bacon hot dogs. Well, we used to

(40:10):
peanut butter. What we used to do too is go
around This is kind of crew, but we take peanut
butter and smudge it on the trees and it gets
their attention, and then we shove bread kind of bake
the area before. We'd go out in the daytime baked
area and then come back at night and sit set
up somewhere, and sometimes you hear all kinds of noises.

(40:31):
One night we were at the handicap area at Salt Fork,
me and Mike Feltner or yeah Feltner, and I did
a whist. I went and down in the hill from
below us at the handicap campground, and just inside the
wood you heard and it mocked me. And then old
Mike's like, oh that that thing mocked you, man, I say,

(40:54):
sure did. And I got that on CD. Yeah. That's
why I say it's important I always keep a recorder
on it because you'll miss so much. I got a
lot of rocks been thrown at me on the CD.
I got a half from East Fork State Park. One
day an airplane flew over and you can hear on
the south side of the park, down below the lake,

(41:15):
you hear this, oh just going on. And I got
that on CD. But what I do too is I'll
take corn. This is something I do is I take
corn and boil it and I'll take it out in
wood somewhere. And what I do is I get bacon grease.
Here's a secret. And i'd get bacon grease and I

(41:37):
poured all over that corn. And I got a picture
where something with a big finger grabbed the corn through
the bacon grease. Because the corn's gone, but you can
see where a finger went right through the grease. And
then I found the one of the cob corns. It
was half heat and the other one was gone. Never
found that air corn. And in the water was a
footprint that I got where it stepped in the water

(42:00):
and the water's cloudy. I got a nice picture of
that nice footprint in the mud of the water. That's
Ass Fork, Salt Fork, and East Fork parks in Ohio.
Any park in Ohio's got bigfoot. You just gotta know
how to go find them. You know what I'm saying,
they're like everywhere in Ohio. If in there in the area,
that's the thing, if they're in the area. But anyways,

(42:22):
I'm gonna get back to this third one. We're walking
down this hill at the Stone House in October and
it's like this big you're going downhill and you gotta
do a dog leg from your right to your left,
and then you'll be at the parking lot downhill at
the stone House and there's this big ornamental grass along
this wall they build up in front of this old

(42:43):
house they built out of the stones in the nineteen
hundred out of sandstone. That's why they call Stone House.
And at this day, this lady photographer was taking pictures
on the other side of the stone House with these
three girls. And as we're coming around down this hill
and the dog leg, this little creature was squatted behind
this ornamental grass looking in trying to look into this

(43:05):
duffel bag. And then as we come around the corner
stood up and looked at it. It's like, oh, I'm busted.
And then they just jetted off to the right fast.
I mean, this little guy took off. It's like four
and a half foot tall, brown It was actually all black,
and I never saw the face because I never looked
at him. Once it saw, it just jetted off four

(43:26):
and a half foot tall, doing about twenty five thirty
mile an hour. And the bad thing was I had
my video camera. It happened so fast. Time I realized
what was going on, he hit record, it was gone
and he ran back to the right down the trail
along the lake. I went down there. I didn't find
no footprints, but me and the wife saw it. She

(43:46):
actually got to see it. She's like what she was
in this bleak because her jaw was dropped. She's like,
it's all black. What's somebody doing nicked down there? And
I'm like, that's not a person, honey, that It jetted
off to the right. And at the time, Sharon Sharon
used to go out there, Sharon I'm trying to think
of her name, Sharon Lee. Sharon Lee. She had a

(44:08):
podcast years ago, and I went on there and told
her about the juvenile and what it looked like in
the face. To me, for what I could see at
that one, it looked like if you took a human,
a chimpanzee, and an ape and wrote it all into
one face. That's what it looked like. And it was
all black and it ran fast, like on two legs.

(44:32):
Is gone, like twenty five there is just gone. And
that was the third encounter where I saw it.

Speaker 2 (44:37):
So Mark, before you go on. This woman that you
can see across the way is taking pictures and this
creature is behind her, so she's not seeing it in
one of her Duffel bags.

Speaker 3 (44:50):
Yeah, it was in the camera lady's stuffle bag. But
they were on the other side of the stone house
and like on the side where they're not in view
taking pictures, and this creature was trying to look in
the Duffel bag. It was curious. It's probably curious on
because they're girls, probably didn't have no threat, and it
was close spying on them. And when we come down

(45:10):
the hill and made that dog leg to the left
looking straight down, he looked up saws because oh I'm busted,
and there it went and it was that fast.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
How far were you guys from this creature.

Speaker 3 (45:23):
At that time? We were probably I would have to
go back to the park to measure that. It was
probably two or three hundred feet down the hill. I'm
not sure it's close enough. His sauces. We saw it
and it bolded, so should make the turn left going
down the stone house and so forth. I can't be sure,
but it was clear today. Clear. Like I said, it's

(45:46):
clear enough to see its face. They looked like human
chimpanzee in eight ball Road in the one.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
But this woman taking the photos never saw anything.

Speaker 3 (45:55):
She didn't have any idea it happened. So they didn't
even see it. Just me and the white and the
other couple coming behind us didn't see this because they
didn't make the dog leg turn. It's just me and
the wife saw it, and she she was flabbergas that
was her first sighting. And then one night at my camp,
I'm turning the water on my cabin in Adams County.

(46:17):
It's they're all over my place down there, the big footsore.
I got tree structures all over down there. This one
in particular, I left it. But usually what I do
is it's cruel, but I'll go around and knock them
down because either he they're gonna get mad and make
another one, or be they're gonna be looking for me,
and so they'll be coming around see what I'm saying,
So I just go knock them all down except for

(46:39):
this one big one. If you go to my Facebook page,
I think it's hun there and see it where guy's
standing near it or under it. Buckeye Squatcher on Facebook.
And then, uh, I got a video when I was
at East Fork one night with me and Mike Feltner.
We're on a trail and we're doing wood knocks and

(47:01):
I got this song video. You can go find it
on Google on YouTube. I'm doing woodennoxes. We're out in
the woods coming back on the horse trail and then
all of a sudden, this big one. It must have
been pissed because it started. You can hear it. I
can't play it on here because I'm talking to you,
but it just goes bam bam. Well, first you hear
one bam. And then because we were talking and we

(47:24):
didn't have again, we didn't have the audio on or
this time I had my video camera but I didn't
have it on, and I missed a vocal because it
did a vocal. There was a vocal we missed, and
we both heard it, and then all of a sudden,
you hear this bam and then we both got quiet,
and he's like, do you hear that yeah, man, it's
following us. And then all of a sudden, you here,
bam bam, bam bam. It's on the video here, clear's day.

(47:48):
Well anyways, it's they're trying to calculates two of them.
Then you hear a lighter one going and it's like
they were trying to triangulate on us. And the whole
time we're walking forward off out of the woods on
the horse trail. Well, as we're walking out, I'm holding
my video camera to my left in the woods and
we stopped for a minute and I actually catch a

(48:10):
juvenile sasquatch sitting there, squatted and you can see his
face plain as day. That nobody probably only twenty people
seen this video so far, because it happens you have
to know where it is exactly to see it on
the video. And it's only there for about two seconds,
and it's plain his day. You can see it. You
can see a move close its eyes, got the cone head,

(48:30):
a gray face, squatted down. That's why I said, I
got a couple of videos I like to show the world.
But maybe I'm running too. That guy at the sasquatch
Festiful next month, Alex. Whatever the god does small town
monsters and talk to him into it or something. I
got a couple of good video things that the poet
should see, but I don't want them to know about

(48:50):
all this stuff. Like you know, I don't like talking
about woodenknocking because they really doesn't attractive for real. People say, don't.
I'm telling it's BS because I got proof works. Yeah.
What I usually do is I go to area and
I'll do this is what I do. This is how
I track him. I shouldn't be saying all this, but
this is what I do, and this gets attention. First

(49:10):
thing I do is you get your recorder on and
go hiking on a horse trail somewhere. Get there. First
thing I do is I find me a nice old
day tree and I do the three woodknoxes bam bam bam.
And then what I do is I wait fifteen minutes.
And the second thing I do is too, and I

(49:33):
wait another fifteen minutes, and then the last thing I
do is a ah. And usually when I do that,
if they're in the area, either stick or rock comes
and that's when I know I got buddies in the area.
One night, this new guy, Mike Miller, was going out

(49:54):
with us, the first time with me and Mike Feltoner
at Eastport. I'm gonna tell you this the this is
just one story where he's a new guy, first time
he's out at night with us, and we hike all
the way in on the horse trail to a dead
end where you tie your horse out and take a break.
And it was like in November and the cold front's
coming through and it was cold. It was getting cold

(50:15):
tight a minute, and it was starting a little sleep.
But we're wearing jackets and we're tough and the we're
tough guys out there, and we hear this baby sound.
We're just sitting there. We hear this like we don't
know if the wind it was making the trees, but
it's like a We hear like this little cry every
now and then. So after we're back there, well, we

(50:35):
start doing our thing, our routine where we do the
wood knock, the scream, the hound, and we're there from
like eleven to twelve thirty, but we keep hearing this
weird crying sound. We just couldn't make it out well. Anyways,
we decided we were going to move to a different location,
so we start walking out. We get about five minutes

(50:56):
walk on this like twenty minute walk, and here comes
a tree from our right over our head, just barely
missing me. I'm in the front, Mike, I'm in the front.
I think Mike Miller was behind me and Feltoner was back.
And Mike Miller goes, that's funny, Mike throwing the tree branch.
And I go, he didn't throw it, buddy, that was

(51:16):
in front of us, that didn't come from behind. And
he's like what. So we started double timing to get
out of there because reality was sitting into something just
threw a branch at us. So we start double timing,
not walking or running, but you know, just picking up
our pace. It was exactly five minutes later because I
had my voice recorder on, and here comes a second

(51:39):
branch from the same direction, right to left, right front,
just gosh, a big branch and land in front of us.
So we double timed it out and we got to
the road, and poor Mike Miller, he was turning white
in the dark. He was scared to death and he
thought we were pranking him, but it is actually a
creature throwing branches at us. And got out of there,

(52:01):
and that that was his first encounter. So then we
went down to another part of the park and we
went down to this inlet and we're down in this
section down by where you park a car, but you
got to go around this little secret and let to
get back to this little beach, and we start doing
our stuff down there, and then next thing you know,
here comes rocks right as right across from the other side,

(52:25):
right at us. They're throwing rocks at us through the woods,
and we're getting all this on on our recorders. But
as they're doing that, we could hear one sneaking around
trying to come from behind us up in the woods.
So at that point we decided to bail out. So
we got out there because one sounded like it was
trying to come round behind us, and that poor Mike

(52:46):
Miller got a good dose that night, his first night
out and having all that encounter. But that's just like
one encounter that happened.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
I mean, do you feel like there possibly could have
been a young sasquatch and you guys were getting a
little bit too close to their living room, so that's
why you were getting things thrown at you, I.

Speaker 3 (53:08):
Think on that that night, Yeah, because we were hearing
that little cry or moan, and I think that was
probably Mama saying get out of this area. That's what
I was taking it after was it was more or
less trying to show us out of that area. I
probably didn't want to see the baby or something. I
don't know. It's probably defending it. But the ones down

(53:28):
in the inlet, we egged them on. We were egging
them on, and they started throwing rocks across the inlet.
That's what they do. They like throwing rocks. One day,
we were back there on the Orange Loop at Salt
Fork and this is I got this somewhere on one
of my things, but it's on YouTube also. But we
were coming back around headed towards Zac Caves. When you

(53:50):
do the big loop, its way back, it's like a
six mile high. And we were about five miles in
and we were coming up this little here and all
of a sudden, you hear this. I never heard that
in my life. Sound like a monkey. It just went.
And then as we're going about another five minutes, we're
going down this little ravine and here comes rocks. They're

(54:13):
throwing rocks at us, me and my broad daylight throwing
rocks over our head. There goes a rock, and that
was back there, headed towards Joseac's cave. But you we
were still back there a couple of miles in from that,
but yeah, rocks were flying. One night we were out
down by boy scout camp Camp Olio down there est

(54:36):
forts that know where was this? This would be down
in Adams County area. There's an old boy scout camping
up on the hill. One night we were out there
egging to mind doing the woods and house and wooden knocks,
and they pushed down two trees. It was dead quiet night.
We were egging abud that they pushed two trees down
within like five minutes, and I think that was enough,

(54:58):
and I think we say we're getting out, So we
took it out of there that night. When they're pushing trees,
it's time ago. So that happened one night one night
they snuck up. The women were in the vehicle and
we were behind the vehicle sitting in chairs in another place,
in another location, and the bigfoot must have bellied up
to the car and it stuck his hand on the

(55:21):
vehicle and just shoved it and then took back off.
Because the women jumped out of the car saying that
was funny shaking the car, and we're like, what are
you talking about? Yeah, you guys just shook the car.
We go, We didn't shake the car. Well, we got
back to camp and you could see where this big
handprint pushed on the side of the door like it
was down low, like shimmy bellied up his boom, pushed

(55:42):
on the door and that was probably ten foot from us.
By doing that, that's how brave they are. They'll come
right up to you. It's like what another time we
was at another place, they did it again. They pushed
the car again with the wife in it. So yeah,
these things can get up to you close and you
don't even know they're there. They're like I call them

(56:03):
the ninjas of the forest, what I call I've had
many runs in with these things. I'm just thankfullying dead
yet that's all the way they throw rocks. I start
wearing a hard hat now because I don't want to
get hit in the hedge, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
Yeah, they can be pretty accurate. They can be pretty
accurate if they want to be. From the sounds of it,
do you think Mark that they know you by now
in some of these areas that you go into.

Speaker 3 (56:30):
Down at camp, Yeah, but not at the other places.
I don't. I ain't been back at them place. I've
just been mainly working my area down in Adams County lately.
But I'm sure if I go back to Salt Fork wherever,
they'll know exactly who I am, because it's a routine
I do, so they know who I am, you know
what I'm saying. I'm sure they know everybody's routines are

(56:51):
I'm sure they're not. But if it's been years, it
might they might have passed on the ones that knew me,
you know what I'm saying. So I don't know how
long their life span. I don't. I just do the
research because I know they're real. I belong to the
I can't turn back club because I've seen them with
my own eyes three times now and had over thirty

(57:12):
three encounters with them. I've got video of them. I
got rocks, been thrown, recording of them like tearrying treeba.
They were on Monsterquest. They was with us at saw
Fork one night and they were leaving and we were
behind them in the Bigfoot through a rock and smashed
their truck as they were leaving. Another time, me and

(57:33):
Mike Feltoner were hiding in the bush at East Fork
State Park in the car was going by and the
Bigfoot must thought about us on the other side of
the woods and he was throwing the rock at the
vehicle leaving, which we witnessed that they liked throwing rocks
in Ohio. I don't know about anywhere else, but they
liked throwing the rocks and sticks. They'll they'll definitely do that. Yeah,

(57:57):
they liked doing that. I don't know. There's some encounters
I've had with these things just messing. But then, like
I say, it's like fishing, you don't always get activity.
You can be out there at nights and nothing go on.
This is putting in years of dedication to do this research.
I'm not just one of these I want to be
people and I just go out and do their work.
You know what I'm saying. I want to get a picture,

(58:19):
a good picture, and well I got video. Like I said,
I got video one. It's pretty good.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
So you said, but that video, Mark, that's the one
that you mentioned that you would love to have Alexander
Pettakov take a look at, Like that's not for public
and that's not out in the public eye yet.

Speaker 3 (58:36):
Right, No, none of these are, but I like it
to be in the public guy, because this is this
is this, This little guy is clear. I mean it's
when people say clear this one. He was pretty close.
He's probably five ten foot. He squatted down.

Speaker 2 (58:50):
No, I don't blame you it.

Speaker 3 (58:51):
This is the case thermal image. And the thermal image
is well because it starts out with one head and
then it starts out with a sad and then it
starts out with a third head and then a rock
comes flying at us and it's wild stuff.

Speaker 2 (59:09):
Is that the one that Cliff is saying that it
looks like raccoons on the thermal imagery?

Speaker 3 (59:14):
Well, he told me was raccoons. I'll go raccoons, I'll
throw rocks. And he probably didn't know he did. He
didn't pay attention enough to the soundtrack or nothing. Because
this is witnessed by three people. What happened. It wasn't
no raccoons. Raccoons can't throw rocks, didn't they?

Speaker 2 (59:29):
So with the video that is not out for public
consumption that you were mentioning for, Alex, I.

Speaker 3 (59:37):
Got out, Yeah, it's it's whatever. He wants to do.
If he can help me out, we can get to Yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:43):
I mean, I don't blame you if this is the case,
but did you not have you not put it out
there because of the fact that pretty much anything that
anyone ever puts out people just called bs on.

Speaker 3 (59:55):
No, Actually, this one, this video with Bickfoot, is actually
on Google. But it's under a number. Unless you know
the number, you're not gonna see. It's only been viewed
by one hundred and something people. And then and then
I also put on there, Hey bigfoots in here, but
you gotta know where it's at. You know what I'm saying.
And if you don't pay attention, you're not It's only
a two second shot.

Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
So you didn't put that on on your Buckeye Squatch
or Facebook page or No, that's not on there.

Speaker 3 (01:00:21):
It's actually on Google. It's on YouTube. I can show
it to you on my phone. It's there, but it's
all there, but it's it's not brought where people know
where it's at because it's not like, hey, this is
the video you need to see. It's under a number.
Back in the day when I did it, it put
it under like a twenty number thing. For the video
and that was it. It didn't say, hey this is
Mark or whatever. It's just numbers. It's crazy. But anyways, Yeah,

(01:00:47):
these creatures are real. One day at camp, they threw
like I bet they threw twenty rocks when I first
camped out there as me and Mike Miller, and he
got hit. One went right over my head and the
second rock caught him in the leg and he stood
up and he said an expletive to him. And after
that night I had all the woods pushed back to undergrowth,

(01:01:09):
and then since then I also had the wood timber,
so it pushes them even further back wanting to be
right next to me. But they're there and they do
come around. They just ain't staying there right now. But
they're everywhere in America. It's not just sohigh. Anywhere there's
woods and people don't go, there's gonna be creatures. You
know what I'm saying. They're out there.

Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
So, Mark, what is the YouTube that you keep mentioning?
Is that your YouTube?

Speaker 3 (01:01:36):
Well, the video is on YouTube.

Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
How can people find that? How do you look that up? Ah?

Speaker 3 (01:01:41):
That's the question.

Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
So that's the one that you're saying, is it's just
so it's uploaded on an old account or something that's yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:01:48):
Yeah, yeah, exactly, it's upload on the old account. It's
there to be seen. But if you don't know where
it is, you ain't gonna see. You ain't gonna see
the creature because it's had a specific timon point. But
you do hear the wood and all this other stuff
going on. You see how we do it the whole
nine yards. You see how they were trying to triangulate

(01:02:09):
us if you pay attention to it, and we're talking about, hey,
we're going to eat, and the whole time we stop
and I got the video camera on and this creature
was like it happened to be one of them, one
in the lifetimes at the right spot to get the
right shot. And I wasn't even doing it. It just
was an accident. And when I uploaded this thing to

(01:02:29):
the YouTube, my brother in lost the one and said, hey,
he got bigfoot. I'm like, he says, he had to
watch for it, and it took me a long time
to find the exact spot, but it's there, and I
got a white one on video two somewhere. But I
got all these cards, I just ain't went through them.
You know, I ain't retired yet. When I retired, like
to write a book called County Road six about all

(01:02:49):
these encounters because Kashocktan's where law that started and cashockted
for me. One night we were leaving the Bigfoot convention.
We stopped at they can Road six where I'm trying
to tell you at this specific place, and it was
walking through the woods. It's by a graveyard. You could

(01:03:10):
actually hear big footsteps out in the pine. These pine
trees have since grown to like mass of fifty footers
or something, and then you hear this. It was definitely bipedal,
and uh, we say, we're out of here. We got
in the car and left. But yeah, it's it just

(01:03:30):
depends where you go there. They're just everywhere. The creatures
are just don't know what to say. But they're real.
That's all I say is it's real. I'm in the club,
but no return I've seen them. They're real. I can
take people out. Just you just got to go do
your own thing, you know what I'm saying. But I've
been trying to get younger people to get into the
fields so they didn't carry on the research. That's why

(01:03:52):
I want to promote this. That's why I want to
promote these videos and stuff so kids can get We
need younger people to carry on my word. I'm getting old.
I'm sixty two, I'm getting old. I'm gonna do this
for long time, since ninety. See what I'm saying. I'm
trying to get younger people interested or whoever wants to
be interested, because this is a real phenomenon. This isn't

(01:04:13):
one of them hokey things. This is a real thing.
They're there. What they are I can't tell you, and
to me, they're flesh and blood. They're not of another dimension,
but they could be. Because one fact on this whole
bigfoot thing is thirty five percent are connected to aliens.

(01:04:34):
What I mean by that, thirty five percent of bigfoot
sightings occur a day before or after a UFO has
been spotted in the area. So is there a connection?
Because I have seen one picture back in the day,
an actual still picture done by camera in a big
code of sack. I think it was out in Alaska

(01:04:56):
or somewhere somewhere up nowrth Canada, and the foots steps
just stop in the middle of the snow. Where'd the
creature go? It just stops. There's no backtracking, there's nothing.
So what happened there? See what I'm saying, What was
that connection? I don't know. So as far as that
goes with the aliens, I don't know. Then you start

(01:05:17):
getting into the missing for one one, you start getting
into tred roll up in Alaska talking about how the
Bigfoot they'll actually kill you up there. I don't know
if they'll eat you, but up there they're pretty violent
in Alaska. They can be ten to twelve foot tall.
Their stories coming out Alaska, they're just brutal. When these
things go out there and pick up a generator and

(01:05:38):
slam them in your cab, your cabin and leave it indentation,
that's pretty big.

Speaker 2 (01:05:46):
Yeah, there's a lot of stories of them being quite feisty.
I mean, do you ever worry about that? Are you
actually getting physically injured or carried off?

Speaker 3 (01:05:56):
I don't worry about it because I actually ago pretty
I try to think of myself as well protected because
at my time, your best buddy is the light. Blinding
something as your best buddy. To think about it, if
you flash something in the eyes pretty bad, with something
pretty bright, you're gonna get away. I can tell you.
This one incident happened with me and Mike Feltner saw

(01:06:19):
Fork one night, this true story. We were back there
on the on the Orange Loop. There's a park. You
gotta go out of the park and go to another
parking spot, and then you go on this horse trail.
There's a picnic table. But you go back there about
maybe a quarter a mile on the trail, and we
were sitting back there. There are two people were sitting

(01:06:41):
in the parking lot tearing treeba which ron monsterquests, and
me and Mike Feltoner were back there in chairs, sitting
in chairs, and I'm looking this way and he's looking
over my shoulder the opposite way, and about ten more
foot behind Feltner, going away from us, put a lanner,

(01:07:01):
and then on the lanner and I put aluminum floor
where you couldn't see us, but we could see behind
us all out that way, and we had an escape
trail behind us. And so we went back in there
about ten thirty at night, and I had on bonic
years and about eleven thirty I could hear something out
there within one hundred yards. You could hear footsteps where

(01:07:22):
it's like ben a ninja just going sh is quiet,
and you could literally hear footsteps by a petle moving.
And what was cool was like when a vehicle come by,
a motorcycle or car, that's when it really moved because
it was using sound from other things to move closer
to us. Is what we detected on the Bonic mites,

(01:07:46):
which was wild, so they would use other sounds to
sneak up to you closer or to go around you.
So that was interesting to learn how they use their
resource to get around you. So we learned a lot
of stuff with these creatures. One night, we were coming
out of the woods. They were waiting on us. There

(01:08:07):
was three or four of them waiting on us, and
there was four of us coming out of the woods
and it was like the movie The Gauntlet, I'll kid
you not. We were coming out it was probably about
one hundred yards from the parking lot, and we started
getting rocked, like three rocks at a time. It wasn't
one rock. They were waiting on us and they were
basically saying get out of here, and they were just

(01:08:28):
bombarding us. Luckily nobody guy hit, Thank you Jesus. But
we were getting out there and uh yeah, they started
throwing rocks like it was a gauntlet, three or four
a time on just one and then we got in
the parking lot of stars screaming, come out here, chickens,
come out here, come out and open. But I could
never entice them to come out and open.

Speaker 2 (01:08:46):
So you guys knew that there was three or four
of them because the rocks were coming from three or
four different directions.

Speaker 3 (01:08:51):
No, they were coming from our right, three or four
at one time. It wasn't like one rock. It was
like they were. They were coming like a daily It's
like one rock, you go about two three foot all
at the same time. It wasn't like one kept throwing
the rock. It was like two or thrill I'm doing
the same time.

Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
Man, you guys know how to tick them off a
little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:09:09):
Huh Yeah, that that kind of ticked them up. But
I tried to get him come out of park lot
and open, but they wouldn't do it. I was like, well,
but yeah, that's they like throwing rocks out there. But
that's why I said, now I learn to wear a
hard hat at night if I go out and start missing,
because I don't want to get clocked in the head.
Because one day I was hiking out like you said,
they're good Aim, and I kid you not. I was

(01:09:32):
coming out and he threw rock and it hit like
three inches right above my head, right against a tree
and came back towards me. And I squatted down that quick,
and I had my video camera going that time, so
I turned to my right filming, and I got home
to download it, and I accidentally deleted that footage, which

(01:09:53):
I'm sure it might have been there if we could
have broken down. And then I have another footage somewhere's
on a chip where I got bum rush, where we
found a footprint to stay back. They're four miles back
on the on the Orange Loop. We found a footprint,
me and Mike Teltner, so we went back to go
cast it. As we're going back there, we find the

(01:10:15):
footprint and we took pictures of it. So we decided
we have to come back the next day with our
casting material, but we didn't cover up the footprint. But anyways,
when he before I saw the foot he found the
foot first. So I'm standing there, he's probably about fifty
yards from me up the trail, and this creature comes running.

(01:10:39):
It is I guess they call it the bluff charge
and they coming at me just and then it stops,
and I got my video camera on and I'm watching
this area and that's another one that accidentally got scrubbed too,
And I know it had to be there or that,
or I may have the chip. I don't know. I
got all these chips. I don't go through. But anyways,

(01:10:59):
that's the first time ever being bluff charged or bull rush,
whatever you call. But after that, I got on my
walk and start called for Mike and I don't know
if that made the thing back off or it just
decided to go back up the hill. But I never
did see it. But I was bluff charged that one time.

Speaker 2 (01:11:17):
That was scary, I'll bet yeah. But it's a good
thing that it's a bluff charge and not a real
charge for as much as you guys go out there,
you know. And I've also met the mics, both of them,
and they are amazing. I got to actually go out
on a little night excursion with those guys and they
are just they live and breathing stuff just like you do.

(01:11:39):
So they're really great to go out with.

Speaker 3 (01:11:41):
Yeah. See, they started out with me and then we
kind of parted ways years ago, but yeah, they all
start out with me, and they kind of went their
way because they go out promoting their sounds and doing that,
and they go out doing their thing, and I do
my thing. That's what's cool is we keep in contact,
especially I do with Mike Miller, but they do their thing,

(01:12:03):
but I do my thing. I'm independent. I go out
and do my research because that way they can't, you know,
when you start getting I used to like to think
that being into one of them groups was cool, but
all the people do infighting, you know what I'm saying.
That's what keeps me doing my stuff. I go out
and do my own research. Me and my brother in
law pretty much, he's with me most of the time.

(01:12:24):
So I just do my own thing. That way, you
don't have all the politics of being in the group.
And that ways I know my research. I don't have people,
you know, trying to ado trait my research or just whatever.
So I find that the less people kind of helps
getting activity then versus having twenty people in area. You

(01:12:45):
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:12:47):
Oh, I definitely do. And I am very highly aware
of bigfoot politics. That is a real thing.

Speaker 3 (01:12:53):
And yeah, because when you start getting into the paradolia
and this and that and all this other infight. I
just want everybody to come together and let's get this
thing settled. You know, we know they're real. We don't
need to infight or let's all try to get all
this evidence together. If we all work together, we can
solve this issue. What they are? Why are they here?

(01:13:17):
Are they part of our ancestry? What are they? That's
what keeps me going is the science behind it, Like
I want to prove what it is if I can
find an arm, a leg, capture young ones, something hard
evidence other than you know, a picture of video. People
says hoax even want to fight and argue and say

(01:13:38):
it ain't really whatever. Seeing what your own eyes is reality.
And the only way people are going to do that
is get off your computer chair, get out of your car,
get in the woods and do the hiking and do
the research. And you're gonna find Hey, there's stuff out here,
but don't go on arm and don't go unprepared. You're
gonna have to carry bear mace, highly read premaron bear mase,

(01:14:01):
carry you a GPS locator in case you have a
problem where they can come find you. There's things you
can do to protect yourself. So you have to be
wise if you're gonna go out and do it, but
just don't go out there blindly. Hey, let's go be dumb.
You're gonna have to do a little research and listen
to podcasts what people do to't understand what you gotta do.
Like a lot of these podcasts are people out there

(01:14:22):
doing the actual stuff, filming it and putting it on there.
But samebody really wants to do it. They can contact
me at mart Mills at yeahoo dot com or a
Mark Mills two thousand and seven at yeahoo dot com.
That's my email. But these things are real, they're out there.
I've been doing it for years. There's a lot of

(01:14:42):
places I can go and do my thing, and they're
gonna let me know there. It's not a hockey thing.
I got pictures of footprints of tree structures. What do
they mean? I don't know, but I find hundreds of them.
I spot them like a hawk. That's like my foretaste
stick structures. I spot them anywhere because they can be

(01:15:03):
very minimal to very huge. You just don't know. Like
I found a teepee structure. One time, I found a
nest structure one time, I found a tree, a pine
tree they snapped over and were staying underneath it for
a while. They're kind of like no match too. I
think they just find an area and lay down. They
don't really stay in one place, because that's why nobody

(01:15:25):
can find them. I think they're always moving. They stay
in the airy eat, move, eat, move. I think that's
why it's hard to find these things, because they just
don't stay in one location unless you can find where
their hair beituated. But then that might not be good
for you because I just heard a story the other
day where this poor guy went hike in the cleanman's dome.

(01:15:45):
He disappeared, but they found his body, his skeletal remains
up in the tree, neatly stacked in a ritual thing.
So there's something crazy going on in the Smoky Mountains.
That's the true story. They found his bones stacked re
put together up in the tree stack neatly, with his
pocket knife and a piece of rope, no clothes, no

(01:16:06):
nothing out, So how to get up there? Who did that?
That's the stuff that that's they did a research in
the last twenty years. That's happened four times where people
disappeared and there's no there's some strange pine and they
said it happens in dead the dead hollows or something.
Don't go in that area wherever they talk about the
dead something over there and smoking.

Speaker 2 (01:16:27):
Mounts, don't go, Mark. All I know is if you
have some kind of a mind to snag a live juvenile,
just be very mindful of where mama or daddy is.
If that's a plan of yours.

Speaker 3 (01:16:41):
Well that's what I'm saying, that's not going to happen.
That's why it's all dreamed. Because the Indian said it
takes ten Indians to get a juvenile, that's how strong
they are. That's a baby. So if you, like you said,
imagine mom and daddy. So that's why you really don't
want to mess with that. But I'm saying that's what
it would take to prove it would be a dead

(01:17:01):
body something of that nature. But then again, if we
go back to the Indians legends that the Bigfoots are
cannibals and eat their own that's why we can't find
the hard evidence. Is that true? I don't know, could be,
do my research.

Speaker 2 (01:17:18):
Very well, could be. Well, Mark, I really appreciate you
coming on. I just wanted to reiterate that his Facebook
page is Buckeye Squatcher, and he admitted get in touch
with me Mark Mills two thousand and seven at yahoo
dot com. Mark, thank you so much for joining me.

Speaker 3 (01:17:35):
Oh you're welcome, and thank you for the interview. And
I like sharing the information of the truth because that's
what it is, it's the truth. Well, so I was
given a sname.

Speaker 1 (01:17:48):
By my parents, my business, my dons, and my profession,
my producers at the bid.

Speaker 3 (01:17:58):
That's something still, that's all gone, that's all passed. I
want to see them really you you are now, but
nobody knows.

Speaker 1 (01:18:06):
Who their names because we don't know ourselves except from
listening to our egos.

Speaker 4 (01:18:15):
And consulting our members.

Speaker 3 (01:18:17):
But then that's a really when that again, needs expect
this question.

Speaker 4 (01:18:23):
What are you?

Speaker 3 (01:18:25):
That is the meaning. We shall see how they play
with the success.

Speaker 4 (01:18:31):
Well, buy the cots to get you.

Speaker 3 (01:18:33):
To come out of your show and find out it.

Speaker 4 (01:18:36):
Will be very hard.

Speaker 5 (01:18:59):
M it's it's, it's, it's it's Puss's compass.

Speaker 4 (01:20:28):
Send.

Speaker 3 (01:20:28):
People for example, are quite divided on us.

Speaker 1 (01:20:31):
They will say, no, we don't believe literally in reincarnation
that after your funeral you will suddenly become somebody different.

Speaker 3 (01:20:42):
To being somewhere else. They will say. Reincarnation means this
that if you're sitting here now, are really convinced that
you're the same person a border at.

Speaker 4 (01:20:52):
The door half an hour ago, you'll be reincomed.

Speaker 1 (01:20:57):
If you're liberating your alms now that you're gone.

Speaker 5 (01:21:01):
The past, that's an existence.

Speaker 4 (01:21:04):
The future doesn't existence the resulting the present.

Speaker 3 (01:21:08):
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get a displace, said.

Speaker 4 (01:21:15):
String.

Speaker 3 (01:21:15):
It does not become something because there is something.

Speaker 1 (01:21:21):
And then there is springs.

Speaker 4 (01:22:11):
Its psssssssssssts ts has the same ideas four more days,

(01:23:17):
where he says, when you settle.

Speaker 3 (01:23:19):
Down in the train to read your newspaper, and so
they were not the same person.

Speaker 4 (01:23:25):
That's a while ago and lived the platform.

Speaker 3 (01:23:28):
If you think you are, you are linking your moments
up in the check and this is what binds you
to the wheel of both.

Speaker 1 (01:23:39):
But when you know that every moment which you are
is the only moment, this counts intos And the Master will.

Speaker 3 (01:23:46):
Say to somebody, I can't have a walk across the
rock and it can't be back. And he says, where
are your foot?

Speaker 2 (01:23:54):
They've gone?

Speaker 1 (01:23:56):
So where are you who are you when we are asked,
who usually give a kind of recitation of an instru
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