iNTO THE FRAY 516: They Arrive With the Storms

Ken (previously on episode 509: City of Angels) returns to share yet another unique part of his life that includes sightings of crafts, strange occurrences around stormy weather, and communication with the unknown.

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On this episode of Into the Fray, I welcome Ken
back on with me.

Speaker 3 (02:32):
Ni.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
Ken was on for episode five oh nine, which I
titled City of Angels. You could guess why because most
of the encounters that he shared were from Los Angeles,
and we talked about premonitions In that one. We talked
about essentially what tantamounts to poltergeist hype activity when he
was younger, and a really touching story about a doppelganger

(02:59):
of a dear friend that happened just before the front passed.
I wasn't even prepared for that one. That one was
whoo Ken. That was a big one. And then, of
course you living in a home that Carol Lombard lived in,
probably in between her building houses or moving whatever. She
didn't pass away there or anything, but it seemed like

(03:22):
her presence was still there. That was a very, very,
very haunted home. So if you guys want to head
to five h nine listen to City of Angels. That
is not a prerequisite though, for this episode, and that
is because Ken and I decided that this subject matter,
which is a total not tied to that. It's not

(03:46):
a continuation of last episode. So these are two separate things.
We thought this to it deserved its own episode, right Ken. So, Ken,
welcome back. Thank you so much for doing this.

Speaker 3 (03:57):
Thank you, and it's great to be back. And I
really enjoy your show. I love it. I listen to
it every week.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
So I want to make sure that and I think
that you are of the same mind, because there is
a little bit of an update bullet point on your list,
and I think we should probably go and do that now,
right before we dive into the other subject matter right there.

Speaker 3 (04:21):
Perfect, So I have a quick update from their last episode.
There was a poltergeist experience in my apartment last Wednesday night. Coincidentally,
while I'm watching Wednesday episode three, I found a friend over.

(04:42):
He was binge watching the first four episodes with me,
and we were sitting there laughing, having a good time,
and suddenly I swear this huge fart sounded the room.
I mean enormous, I was like, was that you. I

(05:05):
was looking at my friend. He said, no, I thought
it was you, and I went, no, it wasn't. But
it was coming from the opposite end of the living room,
and we both went, what could that be? I had
nothing inflated, so it couldn't be like a balloon having
letting the air out. And I looked. The only kind

(05:26):
of decoration I had out there was lavender tissue paper,
but no balloons, no whoopie cushions. I don't even own
a balloon or a whoopee cushion, so I don't know.
It was a bizarre moment, and I don't know. I've
heard other noises in the apartment specifically, I've heard owls,

(05:52):
loud owls, like they're in the apartment and I go
and look, and of course there's there's no birds in here.
And it's happened just a couple of times. But I
thought that would be an amusing update from my Poltergeist
descriptions in the last episode.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
Yeah, and that apartment that you're speaking of that you're
in right now, we did touch on that on the
last episode, because those are not the only things that
have happened there.

Speaker 3 (06:21):
Oh yeah, like the movie frame pictures. Yea fault flying
off the wall and into the middle of the living room.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
Now the owl sounds can are they the classic like
hoo hoo like that?

Speaker 3 (06:35):
Oh yeah, but it's really loud. It's not it's not
a quiet noise. It's deafening. How loud it is.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
How many times have you heard an owl twice?

Speaker 3 (06:49):
Twice? It's such an unbelievably weird experience that I never,
I very rarely mentioned it to anybody, and everybody goes, well,
you had an owl out on your patio. I'm like, no,
it was not on my patio. It was in my house.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
I do have to say, and I have the bullet
point list, which and I have to be honest with
you because and you may know this because you listen
to my show. I love the bullet point list, and
even if they're short or long or whatever, I actually
try not to read them too thoroughly prior to because
I do like that surprise element. I think my brain

(07:25):
just works better that way. But I have to say that.
And you may have heard of Mike leelland and you
know the Messengers and this owl trope that is going
through the vein of you know, where I'm going with this.
So it is of interest that we are talking about

(07:47):
that kind of subject matter today for this entire episode.
And now you've brought up this little update and there's
these owls sounds going on, and.

Speaker 3 (07:57):
You, I don't know if you remember how how the
bullet point answered the essay ended, but it ends with
an owl.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
Okay, I didn't read that part. Are you kidding?

Speaker 3 (08:11):
No, I'm not kidding. And I've got goosebumps right now.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
Okay, I swear to god, I didn't see that. I
make a point not to read, and I don't want
you to think that these are wasted because then once
we start, you know, I'll go along with you. I
didn't read that yet. Oh, getting chills already and we
haven't even started.

Speaker 3 (08:30):
Oh I know, we haven't even gotten to the scary
part yet.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
Maybe all right, well, this is going to be interesting,
isn't it.

Speaker 3 (08:39):
Yeah? Ah, right, shall I begin?

Speaker 2 (08:42):
Yes, yes, you shall.

Speaker 3 (08:45):
So when I was young, around nineteen seventy six, so
it was twelve years old, I used to We lived
in in Lincoln City, Oregon, which is just on the
on the on the bottom of the Nut Cascade the

(09:06):
Pacific Mountain Range, and right on the beach. I mean,
we had a house that was about five hundred feet
from the beach Celette's Bay, and it was wonderful. I
had a telescope, a small one, but I used to
use it a lot when we lived in California, and

(09:28):
when we moved to Oregon. You know, there's not very
many clear nights where it's not raining. There's a good
reason why Oregon is so green, or at least that
part of Oregon is green. The other half is all desert,
but beautiful, beautiful green. So I woke up one spring

(09:49):
morning and about thirty minutes before sunrise, I guess, and
I decided I needed to use the restroom. And when
I went to the bathroom, I thought, maybe I'll just
check and see if I can see Venus today. Because
I was going through and trying to locate every planet

(10:10):
I could find, and I read books about astronomy and
where to look for them and what time of year,
and so that was cool. I thought, Okay, the one
I didn't get to see yet was Venus. And I looked.

(10:31):
There was a window at the end of the hallway
near the bathroom that looked out over the mountains and
I looked out the window and it was a beautiful
clear sky. The sun was about to rise, and there
was a bright white light over the top of the

(10:55):
Pacific Coastal Range, and it looked like it was about
a mile away, although the range is a mile away,
but the light was really bright, and then I thought,
oh my gosh, I'm finally getting to see Venus. And
then suddenly it started to change colors. It changed orange

(11:18):
and yellow and green and blue, and then it started
moving back and forth all around, and it started getting
really fast, moving left to right and up and down
in a crazy bee line, and it got faster and
faster and faster, and I was mesmerized. And my sister

(11:45):
was asleep at the other end of the hall, and
she had her bedroom door open, and I was thinking
I should call my sister and have her come and
see this, and I couldn't move. I was just completely
mesmer and suddenly the light just shot off towards the

(12:05):
south and instantly vanished, and I was understandably a little
bit in shock realizing what I'd seen. I don't think
this was human, And of course I was interested in
UFOs and the subject matter, but I never thought i'd

(12:28):
ever get to see one, and the message on the
mesmerization it faded just a little bit, so I could
start to walk away, but kind of a warm feeling
came over my whole body, and I could hear a
voice in my head that said to me they would

(12:50):
be back. And it was not so much words but feelings,
and that warm voice feeling would continue off and on
for years. And that's when I knew they were somewhere
outside and I should go outside and look. It was

(13:14):
a good excuse for me to take out garbage, so
my mom would be very happy that she never had
to ask me to take the garbage out at night.
So I always would take them take it out, and
sure enough there would be a light up in the
sky dancing around or doing something weird. And but I'm

(13:40):
jumping a little bit ahead. That night, after I saw
what I had first thought was venus, I told my
parents at dinner, and this was kind of like I
told you before. My parents weren't very understanding of paranormal
or unusual experiences. And my parents flipped out and told me,

(14:05):
shut up, you're lying. You didn't see anything like that.
It's impossible, And to me, it was really kind of
a shock. So I learned my lesson, don't tell them anything.
And yeah, there was one moment I didn't talk about.

(14:30):
When I was in Macbeth in high school. We had
a preview night for parents and for donors who helped
fund the production, and my dad hated Shakespeare and when
I when we were about to go, I jumped in

(14:52):
the car and he just turned around and screamed at me.
I hope you understand you just effing wasted six months
to your life on this garbage. And I'm being nicer

(15:13):
than he was about it. But yeah, a little bit
of trauma. It was not fun, I.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
Would say, So that's terrible.

Speaker 3 (15:24):
Yeah, yeah, I went to therapy for that. And plus
we took we took the production to state competition and
took home first place.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
And did he even congratulate you for that?

Speaker 3 (15:41):
No, no, he didn't even want to talk about it.
So's it's fine now. So we had some strange things happened.
My mother and I for years would have a weird

(16:05):
mutual experience at night time. We'd had power outages in
Lincoln City, and it gets really dark there when there's
no light, There isn't much there and my mom and
I would both find yourself standing. I was at the

(16:27):
top of the stairs and she was standing at the
bottom of the stairs, and where there was just enough light,
we could tell that we were both standing there, and
we never said anything, and then we'd just go back
to bed and then the lights would come back on.
And I tried bringing it up with my mom once

(16:48):
and she told me to drop it. She said, there's
nothing weird about it, so.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
I don't know, and that would happen only during power outages.

Speaker 3 (17:01):
Well, yeah, I think the power outages were caused by something.
I don't know what. It was just too weird.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
Yeah, I mean the timing of both of you, one
at the top, one at the bottom. It's always a
power outage. What's causing it?

Speaker 3 (17:19):
That's oh, well, I should say, I don't remember walking
to the top of the stairs, right.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
You just remember awake. And she would probably say the
same thing, right, She's like, why are we well the
very first time it happened, did you guys look at
you other and go, what what the heck? What the heck? Mom?
And she's like, what the heck's son, what are we
doing here?

Speaker 3 (17:41):
I don't think we said anything we just went back
to bed.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
Yeah, that's pretty normal, right. We hear that a lot,
and yeah.

Speaker 3 (17:48):
It was weird. I don't know how many times it happened.
It happened quite a bit, and nothing ever armful happened.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
But I'm sorry, I before we move off of that,
because that is quite fascinating. Do you recall, I mean,
did this happen three times? Did it happen fifteen times?

Speaker 3 (18:15):
Do you probably fifteen?

Speaker 2 (18:16):
Wow?

Speaker 3 (18:17):
A lot wow? And it wasn't just a few, it
was a lot.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
Do you have any sense of and this is tough
because you're standing at essentially ones at the top, ones
at the bottom. I'm sure there's no clocks or any
you know, nobody had an Apple watch at the time
to look down. Do you have any sense of how
long you were each standing there? You know, was there
ever a time that you did note the time? Or oh,

(18:42):
my legs feel tired. I've been standing here all night,
it seems.

Speaker 3 (18:46):
No, I don't. I don't have any idea. Now I'm
thinking of paranormal activity the.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
Movie Oh yeah, oh man, there is yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:57):
Girl, No, it was just like we both become conscious
and then notice each other and then walk right back
to bed. For all I know, it could have been
just a couple of minutes, but I honestly don't know
how I got to the top of the stairs. Yeah,

(19:20):
it was weird.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
Yeah, that's definitely something to Okay, I'm gonna especially mental
put that in the old mental trap for whatever is
coming later, so I can we're trying to do things together.
We'll never know, but we can try.

Speaker 3 (19:34):
You know, you're clever, You're really great. I love that
you shocked me last time a few times. So anyway,
it was great, So let me move on. So now
let's move ahead to winter of nineteen seventy eight, and
I was in junior high and something pretty amazing happened

(20:00):
that everyone talked about the next day at school. My
dad was a volunteer fireman, and our town was jokingly
called twenty miles long and one block wide, which basically
it was. There were only about four thousand people in it,

(20:20):
and we only had two fire stations, and my dad
volunteered at the fire station that was closest to our house,
and he had a twenty four to seven radio that
alerted him when fire alarms are going off, and it
was pretty darn loud, but it was exciting. Sometimes there'd

(20:42):
be a big fire, hopefully nobody to get hurt. But
when the lights went out. There was a strong storm
that rolled ashore and this winter evening, and as a precaution,
whenever the lights would go out during a storm, they
would call all the firemen to come and be at

(21:05):
the station in case there was something that happened. So
I remember this really powerful storm rolled ashore, waves crashing
on the beach, and it also remember reminds me there
was this one really cool thing about my mom. She
would sometimes pick me up from school when she knew

(21:28):
that a storm was approaching, and we'd drive to a
nearby beach with a parking lot far enough away from
the shore and sit and listen to music. Wouldn't say anything,
just listen to Led Zeppelin or the Beatles or Elton
John and it was a nice time. It felt it

(21:53):
felt like there was a special connection with my mom.
I got might not last, and I was certainly right
because of what happened this night. Mom and I were
in our living room when the storm rolled ashore and
the wind was pummeling the house and rain was drenching

(22:17):
the world outside, and we could hear the waves crashing
ashore through its obay. It was pretty powerful. And when
I was the designated person who with the fires in
the fireplace, because I did it right, my dad taught

(22:39):
me so I could do it myself, and I lit
a fire in the hearth and Mom had a little
bunch of candles. Because the power was gone out. Suddenly
I stood up and the wind stopped and it stopped raining.

(23:00):
It was a little spooky. Suddenly like that, I went
to the kitchen and looked out. We had these two
huge windows that even with the power out, there was
a moon and you could see the outline of of

(23:22):
the Pacific Mountain Range. Suddenly there were no clouds in
the sky. The sky was sparklingly bright with stars, and
it was just beautiful and quiet. And then I moved
further into the kitchen towards the bigger window so I

(23:44):
could get a view because we could see the landscape
outside and it was really beautiful. And then suddenly that
familiar glow came back that warned me, or told me
we're here. From behind the Pacific Coastal Range, a giant

(24:05):
white disc rose up. It was at least the size
of the moon, but it rose up from behind the mountains,
so I have it must have been gigantic. I have
no idea how big it was. I would guess at
least a mile in diameter. It was extremely bright, and

(24:28):
it just hovered for a moment and then shot out
west towards the ocean, and I ran. I screamed, and
I ran out the door, the front door of the
house and down to the beach. I was hoping I
could see this thing still. My mom was in a panic, like,
what are you doing? What are you doing? It was gone.

(24:53):
The disk had apparently gone over the horizon because it
was moving really fast. But yeah, the next day at school,
a lot of people talked about it. They saw it
and I. One of the teachers was at a conference

(25:15):
on the other side of the mountains and she saw
it from her side, and she said she saw it
just rose up from behind another hill and rose up
into the sky and then shot out over the mountains.
And that was really exciting and really thrilling. But I

(25:38):
could never talk to my parents about it. For the
next year's all through the beginning of college, I would
still get the warm sound in my head or the
feeling that I should go outside that was about to
end unexpectedly. I haven't seen them since, and I'm talking

(26:07):
specifically Friday, April twenty second, nineteen ninety four. And that
was an easy date to remember because John max classic
book Abduction Human Encounters with Aliens had been published on
Wednesday the twentieth, and I went to go pick it

(26:28):
up from a bookstore on that Friday, so it was
two days later. By this time, I had relocated to
southern California and I rented a room and I talked
about it Helen. I think I mentioned her in the

(26:48):
last show. She was this really kind woman. She had
a really charming house and rented a small room to me.
I had my own bathroom and everything, and it was
on a very quiet street. It was actually across the
street from an elementary school. There weren't any there with

(27:12):
just for meeting spaces for teachers and training for teachers,
so we didn't have any kids across the street, which
is kind of sad. I like kids playing. But I
I remember when I moved to California, I stopped over
in Sacramentos in my family and my dad's sister, and

(27:37):
she she pulled me aside and said something that really
surprised me. This is the best thing you've ever done,
moving away from your parents? Is that good move? So
she hugged me. Me luck, and I went on back,
continuing on the next day to a Los Angeles aunt.

(28:01):
Jean was very sweet to me, and she died a
few years later from all sigers and anyway. So I
wrinted small room from a woman. She was in her seventies.
She was blind, but you'd never know it. She was

(28:21):
always vital and joyous and generous. And I became basically
a part of her family. And she would always get
these audio books and she would read books that I
wanted to read, but she would play them to hear them,
and I'm like, oh no, I don't want to know
the plot. So the first day I first Monday, had

(28:49):
moved in, I discovered the house had a couple of ghosts.
I went into the kitchen to make breakfast at I
think it was like six in them all, and there
wouldn't the wooden floors. You could clearly hear when people
were walking across the floor, and I turned around, Oh,

(29:11):
good morning, Allen, and there was no one there. I
was told that that was probably her ustment checking me
out just to make sure I'm cool. And there's there
was another ghost in the house that I never experienced,
but people told me about it in one of the bedrooms.

(29:35):
If you slipped in there, it would sound when you
turn the lights off, it would sound like there was
a big bookcase crashing down. And there was only a
short bookcase with not that many books on it. They
were all paperbacks anyway. But anyway, so it seems like

(29:56):
I always find places that are haunted. Hmm.

Speaker 2 (30:02):
So any questions, I'm just kind of taking notes. But
you're you're moving through everything so beautifully and naturally. I
don't want to mess up your flow. I've got I
got things written down. We can go back to though, absolutely.

Speaker 3 (30:18):
All right, all right, So the story continues. Four thirty
one am on January seventeenth, nineteen ninety four, the Northwards
earthquake six point seven magnitude, depth of eleven point thirty
one miles and a ground acceleration rate of just over

(30:41):
one point seven. I remember I was thrown out of bed,
and thank goot, I was because where my head was,
a couple of really heavy books took a chunk where
my head had been and out of the wall. And
really incredible. It was really terrifying. My TV flew across

(31:06):
the room and it was just amazing. And there was
so much damage that I had to sleep out in
the living room for a few months while he repaired it.
But I remember remarkable, a remarkable event that happened. When

(31:27):
the earthquake finally stopped, I think it was less than
thirty seconds. I called out to my roommate, Helen, and
she didn't answer. And I called Helen's name again, and
still no answer, And without thinking, I just ran from

(31:47):
my room across the wooden floor and to her room
and she was sitting up fine. Nothing. She apparently just
didn't hear me. So we sat there for the rest
of the night, holding each other with every every aftershock,

(32:08):
and eventually her one of her sons came home to
check on us, and he did a cursory check of
the house and the gas was fine, nothing, the house
was still on the foundation. And he then came in
and looked at my feet and he said, how did

(32:31):
you get into my mom's room? And I said, what
do you mean? I ran? He said, come out here,
and at the end of the hallway, overlooking the dining room,
it was covered in broken crystal and glass everywhere, and

(32:52):
somehow I ran across it without having the glass. I
cut my feet. So he waited until oh no. He
went into my room and found me a pair of
shoes from under the piles of books and brought them

(33:12):
to me and said, keep these hot and don't take
them off. So I had a friend named Lauren who
lost her apartment in that earthquake, so she m Helen
offered to rent her. Unfortunately, the room with the ghost
in it kept knocking books over and it didn't bother her.

(33:38):
She it jumped, made her jump a cool of gise,
but after she had said, it's not doing anything other
than making noise, so she moved in on the FEMA
gave her like ten minutes to go into her apartment
and pull out anything she could, and she came and

(33:58):
lived with us, and she became my best buddy. We
hung out, I made, I bought cookies girl Scout cookies
were odd at that time. It was the go to
stack and I and tea. We picked tea in the
evening and sit and chat and cheer each other. But anyway,

(34:24):
by able twenty second, the repairs to my bedroom had
been completed, so I could move back in and start
sleeping in my own room. Account And on that Friday evening,
I had a copy of John X book, and I

(34:47):
decided to turn in early and start reading it and
glancing at the clock. It was about eleven o'clock and
I suddenly got I couldn't keep my eyes open, so
I took the clock or the light off, closed my eyes.

(35:10):
That's when my room suddenly filled with just the ultimate
super bright bluish light. It filled my room and was
there The light was coming through a tree outside. There

(35:32):
was a huge tree outside my window, and it was
filling the room with all this light. And suddenly I
started floating towards the window. I was, what the hell
is this? Excuse my French panicking, and I started saying, no, no, no,

(35:54):
you're not taking me. You're not taking me. And I
started going through the glass. Not they could have made
it easier if they just put me through the there
was a bug screen. But instead they started to put
me through the glass half way through and I just bought.

(36:20):
I said, no, you're not doing this, and I swam
and I went across my room to the door that
led into the hallway where my roommates lived, and I
started swimming up and down the hall trying to scream,
but no sound was coming out. And then suddenly I

(36:40):
was reeled back in snapped back into bed, and then
the light went out. God, and I poled it up
right in bed and turned my light on, and I
looked at the clock. It was eleven PM. Twenty minutes

(37:02):
had passed. That's not even long enough for a dream
state really to kick him, especially not a dream like
that vividly. It's take some time go through rims. Anyway,
I of course decided I couldn't, so I stayed up

(37:26):
all night, thinking what's going to happen? Are they going
to come back? So I got up when I heard
my rooms were up in the kitchen, and I joined
them for breakfast the next day, And it was about
eight o'clock in the morning, and Helen and Lauren were

(37:48):
in the kitchen. I made some coffee for us and
we scrambled eggs and made muffins and had nice, delightful time.
Then Lauren said she woke up in the middle of
the night last night, just after eleven, and she said

(38:10):
she saw an l sitting outside her window and looking
in the crazy thing was that her window didn't have
a shelf on it. There were no bushes outside the window.
It was looking was the normal largish L, but a

(38:31):
normal l how floating there? Apparently? I almost I almost
fell off the chair. I was so dizzy when she
said that. She asked me what's wrong? And I haven't.
I couldn't answer her. I didn't want to scare her.

(38:54):
I didn't know how to respond. And I've been hoping
that theirs more when answered about the owl someday. That's
basically it. That's the whole story.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
Yeah, I hadn't read that bullet point how the owl
that you brought up in the beginning would actually have
something to do with your full as full as we
can make it snapshot. Okay, So you talk about that

(39:35):
warm feeling, right, and this mostly positive feeling in this
voice that you would hear in everything or feel you
would mostly feel rather Yeah, when you would feel this
was that essentially how you're wording it is. I'm taking
it as it's them quote unquote them whatever them, or
they are telling you to beckoning you to go outside

(39:58):
so that you can then see this lie.

Speaker 3 (40:00):
Yeah, that's basically what it was. But I've read that.
I've been looking, and I mean, I keep noticing the
subject because it's common that a lot of people who
have experiences with UFOs do have that same feeling, that

(40:21):
warm feeling, and apparently it's some way they have of
injecting you with adrenaline. Are something to manipulate your feelings
so you feel good and maybe you shouldn't be feeling
so good. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (40:43):
When could you make that happen on your own? Could
you say could in your head? Could you go I
would really like to see you guys tonight, and then
could you go outside and see it? Or would you
have to wait for the feeling to come from them?

Speaker 3 (40:56):
I've tried. No, I've tried, and a retirement's just a
oh pretty sky but nothing. Yeah, I don't see anything.
I'm I feel like this was cruel. It was cruel
to first off attempt to abduct me, which is really uncool.

(41:20):
And now I completely have sympathy with people who talk
about abduction experiences. Mine wasn't quite the same, but it
was at least started and they clearly intended to take me.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
But do you really feel like it was just twenty
minutes of I don't say just as in it was
just twenty minutes, you know what I mean, that it
was twenty minutes of them trying to take you, or
that you just don't recall what happened in that full
twenty minutes.

Speaker 3 (41:54):
Oh my god, you know what I think. I don't recall.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
I really don't, which is probably good.

Speaker 3 (42:05):
Yeah, you're absolutely right, They're twenty minutes is much longer
than what this event was. And so.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
Yeah, I mean, because we've both heard of encounters where, yeah,
they can screw things up sometimes maybe a screen memory
wasn't quite exactly what a screen memory should have been,
or they fumble the football a little bit somehow, but
usually they get it right. Usually, if they come for you,
they get you, they take you. People have these experiences.

(42:39):
Sometimes people remember, sometimes they don't remember anything. Sometimes they
just remember parts and pieces. I'm of the camp that
I think it's a good thing when people don't remember
what goes on if they're taking a board a craft
or doing whatever the hell they're going to do to you,
because a lot of it is so dark.

Speaker 3 (42:58):
Yeah, I know, I mean, I agree, I agree with
you that it probably might not be best to remember everything.
There's Another aspect to this that I've always wondered about
is the fact that that giant bright light outside over

(43:19):
the house, nobody else saw it. It's like another dimension
or something that I was popped into another dimension. And
why didn't the neighbors see it? That it was? It
was like daylight, It was so bright and but it

(43:40):
was blueish?

Speaker 2 (43:45):
Can did the did the car those special car trips
or not a trip, but the special time in the
car with your mom and you guys would just sit
and listen to music. Did those start? And this was
I understand you were you were young. This is a
long time ago. You may not remember the exact sequence,
but I'm just gonna throw this out there. Did the
car trips, I'll just call it that start after the

(44:09):
incidents where you guys are one at the bottom, one
at the top. I mean, when did all what is
a sequence there? Do you recall that at all?

Speaker 3 (44:18):
But you know what, I've never put the two or
two together, but yeah, they were happening during the time
when my mom would take take me out on a
car trip. I think it also just made sense to
me that because my sister was so ill, that my

(44:39):
mom was just trying to make connection, but there was
so much weirdness on going on in my house.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
This Yeah, and I do recall you mentioned your sister
being ill I think on the last episode. But now,
this is my mind, just the way my mind works.
But is there a chance that and this is all
happening around the same time? And if that even happened
once with my daughter and I, that would have flipped.

(45:12):
It would flip me right the hell out, to be
honest with You'd be like, what in the actual hash
is going on here for this to happen that many times?
I am wondering if that was your mother's way, because
she would you said, she'd actually pull you out of
school if she knew the power outages may even happen
if there was a storm coming in there was a
chance you guys would lose power because that was the

(45:34):
correlation there, right, So then your in a primal human brain,
you'd go, power outage is bad because we have these
weird things going on. We're standing at the top and
bottom of the stairs. Was that her way? Sorry, I'm
so long in my long winded in my flushing this out,
but was that her way of trying to prevent that

(45:55):
from happening.

Speaker 3 (45:58):
I don't. I don't think so. I don't. Well, it's
I had to think about it. That's something I've never
thought of before. I don't know. I don't think she
was that thoughtful. That was not a nice word.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
Yeah, no, no, it's okay. I know that from you
know what little you've shared with everybody, it's enough to
paint a picture of home life and family life, which
it is part of the story, right, it's important. I
just I wonder if not that she would talk to you,

(46:43):
jes so your dad wouldn't talk to you. But I
wonder if she remembered more about there was time missing,
or she had memories of being floated through windows or
walls or owls outside windows, sitting on non existent limbs
and ledges, if she said, well, this is all happening

(47:07):
to me with Ken essentially, heck, maybe she even had
memories of being taken with you that you don't even recall,
and she was like, you know what, screw this power
is going out. Bad things happen when the power goes out.
Ken and I we're gonna go. We're gonna sit in
the car. They can't find us here. Of course, we
know that they can from other people, right, But I

(47:30):
don't know. That's where my brain is just trying to
fit these pieces together, and I'm likely way off, but
I'm just spitballing.

Speaker 3 (47:39):
It's a good spitball I like it. She did have
one paranormal experience that she finally admitted to. There was
a movie starring Ellen Burston. I think she got an
OSCAR nomination for it, called Resurrection, and she helps people

(48:02):
remember out of body experiences or helps people who have
had out of body experiences, and her her character, Ellen
Burston's character had an out of body experience and my
mom during the scene where they recreated that out of

(48:24):
body experience, my mom started crying and we stopped the
movie and said, what what's going on? And she admitted
that when she had a gallbladder operation, she actually floated
up out of the off the operating room and off

(48:45):
the operating table and floated around the room and could
see what the doctors and nurses were doing. And yeah,
and she went back in and she went through a
tunnel of light as well, and they now I remember,
and I haven't talked about this for years, but she
went through the light tunnel and she met somebody, and

(49:10):
they told her it's not her time to come, so
she has to go back, and she did.

Speaker 2 (49:19):
How old was she when she had that experience? M well,
maybe not how old, but was that when she was
younger before marriage and kids and everything?

Speaker 3 (49:30):
No, no, no, no, no, it was it was about
when I was ten or so. So, yeah, she was
thirty or thirty five something.

Speaker 2 (49:42):
I mean, and again, this is just my mom was.

Speaker 3 (49:47):
So secretive about her age.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
Was she Yes, She's like, oh, I didn't feel like,
aren't you like in your mid forties forties? How dare you?
I'm in my mid thirties like we all want to do,
you know.

Speaker 3 (50:01):
Yeah, I mean when she was younger, she actually used
to look a lot like Elizabeth Taylor.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (50:07):
Yeah, she was very beautiful.

Speaker 2 (50:09):
Wow. So yeah, age is a is a cruel thing,
and nobody can stop that train coming, you know. But
folks that have your death experiences, out of body experiences,
things like that, sometimes that seems to unlock something or
turn them into some kind of a receiver. In some

(50:31):
cases that's what in some cases I'm just saying, in
some cases, it's not a hard and fast rule. But
I mean, then the timing kind of tracks in a way. Yeah,
like ten to twelve years old when some of this
stuff started happening, and I don't know, that is extremely interesting.

Speaker 3 (50:56):
Wow, huh have to write all this into a book?

Speaker 2 (51:02):
Yeah, maybe you should.

Speaker 3 (51:06):
You'll probably have to call you.

Speaker 2 (51:08):
Well we have yeah, we have to have continued chats
ken yea honestly because I love chatting with you. But
oh it's great because it.

Speaker 3 (51:17):
Just fun feels like therapy too. It's a lot of fun,
good therapy.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
Not thanks kN I do appreciate that, and it does.
It's just so nice to bounce thoughts off of folks,
right because I mean, everyone goes, oh, I just want
to figure it out, and they know that they won't
and I know I can't figure it out for them,
but it's it is of high interest to try to

(51:42):
put things together. But okay, so this owl thing, because
you know, the theme here is that things finally calm
down and you don't see the light anymore. I mean,
but now we have owls sound inside of your living space,

(52:05):
so you know, is it stopped? Has it ended? Have
you ever said out loud? I think when the you've
talked about the the movie posters and the pictures whatever
coming off the wall. I asked this very same question,
but after the owl sounds, maybe if it happens again,
let's say, who are you? I guess pun intended? Who

(52:28):
are you? Right? Like, what do you want? What is
it you guys? Is it you guys that you show
me this? You know, the light and the craft. How
it must have been amazing to see that, by the way,
that huge Yeah a mile diameter. Holy smokes.

Speaker 3 (52:46):
I keep hearing these these reports of UFOs that are
like half the size of a football field, and that's astonishing, Like,
that's nothing compared to what I saw.

Speaker 2 (52:58):
That is some fraudable. I mean, you're talking about something
like close encounters like Stephen King kind of stuff where
they're making these mother ships you know.

Speaker 3 (53:09):
Yeah, wow giants.

Speaker 2 (53:13):
Okay, So when trying to just because a lot of times,
timelines are so important, because I know that one of
your bullet points is that even after you know you
saw the big the big bang essentially and everything tapered off,
you did see the lights again. Sometimes do you recall

(53:34):
the very very very last time that you saw this
light and did it always change colors the way that
it did initially?

Speaker 3 (53:42):
No? No, the last one I saw was actually a
meta meta metal cigar shape, and it was dreamed so fast.
It was went from the from the northern horizon to
the south here in La really fast. And my friend,

(54:07):
I was with a friend, he was apartment hunting, and
he said, did you see that? How in the world
did it go that fast? And I think that's the
last one I saw for real. But it didn't feel
personal to me. I didn't feel any connection.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
To it, no warm feeling or that the voice kind
of situation that hadn't happened in quite a while, right.

Speaker 3 (54:35):
Yeah, it's yeah. I keep hoping it'll come back. I
keep trying, but not yet. And then it could be
all this ghostly paranormal stuff is connected, the poltergeist stuff
is connected, and it's just another expression of it. So

(55:00):
maybe these two episodes of Into the Fray are not
so disparate, and they're not so separate, right, They're actually
very well connected from a certain point of view.

Speaker 2 (55:17):
Yeah, sometimes I do wonder if the we'll just you know,
the word aliens is the best way to say it.
I guess I do wonder if sometimes the aliens are like,
you know, I'm really getting sick and tired of demons
and ghosts taking our credit because we did all that.
You know, they ever just get tacked off about it, like, oh,

(55:37):
you want to blame that stuff lying off the wall.
Guess what that was us? You better give us the cred.
But it's true. What you say is true. I mean,
it all could be just one single thing, just parading
and making you think that you've got everyone's like, oh,
I have so many different types of stories. Well maybe don't.

(56:00):
Maybe it's all just one thing.

Speaker 3 (56:03):
Wow, I haven't thought that much about it. I wrote
that essay that I sent to you, and then I
started thinking, I really really want to talk about it,
and so now I've expanded it up to a whole book.

(56:24):
I mean, I've done the outline already, and yeah, that
could be the theme.

Speaker 2 (56:33):
I mean, I have a feeling that this won't be
the end of your experiences. And I'm I mean, if
I heard an owl in the house, because first of all,
I think I've only seen two owls here in Las
Vegas in town like twice, literally twice. You know, if
you go to the mountains or something like that, they're

(56:54):
not the easiest things to spot. You usually hear them
and not see them, right, if I heard one in
my home, that would really make me wonder, what in
the actual hash is happening and why and what is
it tied to? What am I? You're probably going, what
am I supposed to get out of that? Right? What
do I do with that?

Speaker 3 (57:16):
Yeah? Exactly, it's so nonsensical, it doesn't make sense.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
So I wonder if you you know, you had a
friend that was which, by the way, you are a
sensitive person. You may not think that you are. I
think that you do in some way, shape or form.
But if you take somebody that is super sensitive or
a remote viewer, somebody like that, and you know if

(57:46):
they sometimes they don't have to step in your house
and they can pinpoint such things. If you found one
that wasn't it just sent it for money or whatever? Yeah,
flat out charlatan, which can be tough to discern that,
But something's going on. Still, it's not over. You're hearing

(58:07):
these owls, and I do hope almost if that's what
you want. It sounds like you do that. Maybe talking
about this in full and putting it out into the ether,
maybe you do have that feeling again and you go
outside and there's the light again.

Speaker 3 (58:25):
You'll be the first person I'll.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
Tell Oh, I hope, so I do. I want to
know I do, because and you're you know, you're in
a place like I am that has plenty of light pollution,
so it's you know, things don't always stand out. There's
eight thousand helicopters and airplanes, and there's satellites and the

(58:48):
ISS and starlink, which frequently gets blamed for an invasion.
H's it's tough to figure that stuff out. But if
you have a feel feeling that you have to go
outside and then something weird is going on with zipping
around and changing colors, that's awesome. That's something different. I've

(59:09):
never had that experience, So it'd be pretty cool if
that happened to you again too.

Speaker 3 (59:14):
Yeah, it'd be nice. I hope, I hope it'll happen.
And no, you know what, I'm not going to say,
I hope, I know it will happen that I know.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
It does seem that way because all these other things
that have gone on, even in the place that you're
in right this moment, is it's not like you haven't
had anything go on for twenty years. You know, You've
had quite a bit of stuff go down, even in
the place that you're in now, which, as you rightfully
pointed out, could all be one thing, could all be

(59:47):
tied into what we are talking about today, that it
may not be separate from what we talked about in
your part one.

Speaker 3 (59:54):
Yeah, I can't wait for my friends who who have
been here when things happen up and they hear this part.
That would be really amazing to have a conversation with
them as well about it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
Are you and even if this is just for your
own personal log of what's gone on, because it's so
easy to forget everything we all do, even if it
doesn't go on this book that you might be writing.
Are they writing stuff down for you that has had
things that have happened while they're with you.

Speaker 3 (01:00:29):
I don't know, No, they're not. I should probably start asking.

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
It would be nice if they could, you know, if
they had a couple of minutes. It helps to put
timelines together and things. And that's another reason why I've
said this summertimes. But why a bullet point list is
helpful for you and for me. You know, it's a roadmap,
and it helps to jog memories, and it's just it's
so helpful for timeline, even just for timeline purposes, and

(01:00:53):
you're like, oh, if this wasn't written down, I wouldn't have,
you know, put that together, because things just get the
every days run together. So that would be pretty cool.

Speaker 3 (01:01:04):
You have a I know you have a lot of
experience with doing research and investigations. That's thank you. I
appreciate that. That's really great.

Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
So well, your encounters are interesting and they're not done.
They're not done. I don't really want you to have
any scary experiences. Of course. That's not to say, oh,
let's hope that Ken has the owl hooting right behind
his ear, you know, in the middle of the night. No,
that wouldn't be very cool. Thanks. No. Oh, but you

(01:01:37):
know experiences like that earthquake situation where you got thrown
out of bed and then you would have been concussed
or something by things flying around the room. Someone or
something's looking out for you in a lot of cases, yeah,
which is really cool.

Speaker 3 (01:01:52):
Well, and then running across the floor yeah barefoot, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:59):
Very cool. But I I know it's not the last
time we'll chat, even if it's not for the show,
if we're just emailing or something. I want to keep
in touch with you. And the very next time you
hear or see anything strange, you got to let me.

Speaker 3 (01:02:13):
Know the first. That'll be great.

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
And I appreciate your time taking for both of these episodes, Ken,
I really do appreciate it so much.

Speaker 3 (01:02:26):
I really enjoyed it, and I just i'd love your show,
and I thought you do such great work. And you
were the first person I wanted to contact to talk
about the subject. You were the only person I wanted
to talk to.

Speaker 2 (01:02:43):
Well, I am hugely humbled by that. Thank you so much.

Speaker 4 (01:02:51):
Well, so, i was given the name by my parents business,
and I've done these things in my profession.

Speaker 3 (01:02:57):
Producing a black.

Speaker 5 (01:03:00):
Says forget it, that's not.

Speaker 4 (01:03:03):
That's something from story, that's all gone, that's all pass.

Speaker 5 (01:03:07):
I want to see them really you you are now,
but nobody knows what their names.

Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
Because we don't know ourselves except from listening to our egos.

Speaker 4 (01:03:20):
And consulting our me members. But then that's a really
and then again needs expect to this question, God are you?

Speaker 2 (01:03:30):
That is the meaning.

Speaker 4 (01:03:33):
We shall see how they play with this success by
the Cots to get you to come out of your
show and find out how to.

Speaker 6 (01:03:42):
Be very hard. Hm. It's it's it's it's, it's, it's, it's,

(01:04:52):
it's bas.

Speaker 4 (01:05:33):
People, for example, are quite divided on us. They will say, no,
we don't believe literally in reincarnation that after your funeral
you will suddenly become somebody different to being somewhere else.
They will say, reincarnation means this that if you're sitting

(01:05:53):
here now, are really convinced that you're the.

Speaker 5 (01:05:56):
Same person a border at the door half an hour ago,
you'll become.

Speaker 4 (01:06:02):
If you're liberate, you as that that you're done.

Speaker 6 (01:06:06):
The past hasn't existence, The future doesn't existence.

Speaker 5 (01:06:11):
There is only the present.

Speaker 3 (01:06:13):
That's go be a meaning of the incidence.

Speaker 4 (01:06:16):
Send master, don't get displace in the sad string does
not become the sumthingse.

Speaker 5 (01:06:24):
Because there is some sense and then there is spring.

Speaker 6 (01:07:00):
It's it's it's puss, puss, puss, isn't.

Speaker 4 (01:08:19):
It's the same ideas four more days where he says,
when you settle down in the train, you can read
your newspaper and so on. They're not the same person
a while ago and lived the plan. If you think
you are, you are linking your moments up in the
check And this is what binds the wheel of botan.

(01:08:44):
When you know that every moment which you are is
the only moment this cons in deser, and the Master
will say from somebody, I can't have a forega past
the rock and it can't be back.

Speaker 5 (01:08:55):
And he says, where are you up with me?

Speaker 4 (01:08:59):
They've gone m hm, so where are you?

Speaker 5 (01:09:02):
Who are you?

Speaker 4 (01:09:03):
When we are asked who we are, we usually give
a kind of recitation of an instrum instr