iNTO THE FRAY 517: The Field of Screams

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Speaker 4 (02:16):
On this episode of Into the Fray, I welcome Barry
back on with me.

Speaker 5 (02:20):
Now.

Speaker 4 (02:21):
Barry was on for episode number five ten, and I
titled that the Boogeyman, and I suppose I mean, I
haven't decided yet, Barry, but I mean to keep things
continuity wise. I don't know. Maybe I should title all
of these the Boogeyman Part one, two, three for five.
I don't know. I haven't decided yet, but maybe not
because we are going to be moving away from why.

(02:43):
Of course I titled that episode that particular thing I
did that really not only did it fit, but your
professional background. I thought you would appreciate that title. But
what we want to do, and let me just let
the listeners know, is you sent me a comprehensive bullet
point list and we are going to go It's either

(03:06):
by like this now second episode is your teen years,
and then the next one will be like more psychic
kind of stuff, dreams and different connections, and then the
next one is a certain place that we're going to
talk about. So these are all going to be separate
episodes so that we can really move through things at

(03:26):
a pace that we can cover things properly, right, Barry,
So sorry long winded. Welcome back.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
Hi Shannon, I'm so glad to be back. Thank you
so much.

Speaker 4 (03:37):
Yeah, we talked about a lot on that very first episode.
We talked about your memories of being taken and then
of course your very scary experiences while living in a
very haunted home, and the one of the previous owners
was just not happy to have roommates. So that's why
I titled that one the Boogeyman, you know, because it

(03:58):
was something that you actually call him. And I thought, well,
you know, I don't want people to think this is
like a funny episode, because it wasn't funny, and I
wasn't poking fun because you used that term. And I thought, well,
I think he'll like this anyway, because he said it,
and his professional background just ties right in.

Speaker 3 (04:15):
Well, yes, I like things a scary movie, and it
does sound like there's probably a movie out there with
that title. But I kept saying that because I was
avoiding to say the name and his real name mister Wolf.
But you know, when we were talking about the house

(04:38):
and I got into where I was talking about where
what the psychics impressions were, I got a male voice
came on to my in my ear phones on my
right ear and it said two or three words to
me while I was speaking to you, and that I was.
I asked you, Hey, what was that? And you said

(05:00):
I didn't say anything. And that kind of freaked me
out a little bit because I was like, where did
that come from? And what in the world did it say.
I don't know because I missed what it said, but
it was a little bit strange. But yeah, we're going
to move away from the Boogeyman and although he still
haunts me to this day, but it always will, probably

(05:22):
in some way or another. But yeah, we're going to
talk about my interesting well some of the interesting things
in my teen years that have happened.

Speaker 4 (05:35):
Yeah, wherever you want to start, Barry, and if you
feel like you need to set things up in some
certain certain way, you go right ahead by wherever you
want to start up to.

Speaker 3 (05:42):
You, Okay, yeah, sure, Well, if anybody listened to the
last episode, I my parents got divorced ed and after
living in that house, you know, and all the craziness
that happened. We moved as children. My mother took us kids,
and we moved into my grandparents' former home. They had

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moved out and bought a neighbor's house which was in
a rural area right near a nice large lake in
western New York. And so we went from being in
town kids living near a tool factory, to the country
life a little bit and being around a lake. Growing

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up as kids, we would always go see our grandparents,
and there were uncles and aunts and cousins around and
in that area, so we were pretty comfortable in that area.
So I moved there when I was probably thirteen, go on,
I'm fourteen years old. One of the house that we

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moved into, Like I said, my grandparents had lived there
for probably I think from nineteen fifty three till nineteen
seventy three or something seventy four when we moved in,
somewhere around that time. So as far as I know,
there were no issues with the house that I was
aware of. But the house was built in nineteen thirty

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so it was a duplex and my uncle and my
aunt lived down the one side of the do it
was a house, big large home, split directly in half
so that there was a one side. They were almost
identical mirrored images of upstairs and downstairs and so forth.
So we moved in and one night I had gone

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to this is back in the nineteen seventy five, so
I went to one of those they called it a
head shop or a hippie shop back then, kind of
like a Spencer's Gifts type of a place where I
wanted to get some black light posters for my room,
you know, And I thought that stuff was pretty cool,
and I don't know that my mom was thrilled with that,

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but I wanted to decorate my new room and everything.
So I bought some posters and I bought an incense burner.
It was a brass incense burner that was in the
shape of an alleg crocodi dial. Basically, it was made
in India and it was like a flat piece cut

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out in the shape of the crocodile with a lot
of engraved details on it, and in the center of
it there was a cup that was where you would
put your Incent cone down into it. And the reason
I'm telling you about an Incent burner is because it's
part of the story here, obviously. But I was getting

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ready to go to bed one night and I decided
to light an Incent cone. And in the package of
the Incent there was a copper coil that came with it,
and you pulled the coil up and it made a
it was like a cone shape, so and there's a
little loop at the top where you dropped the cone

(09:05):
in upside down and let that burn and then the
ashes would drop down. And I decided to put the
coil up over top of the brass incense burner, over
the little cup that was there, so that the ashes
would fall into the cup and I wouldn't have to
worry about anything catching on fire or anything. I basically

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lit the incense and then went to bed. I don't
know why I did that. I was just a teenager,
but you know, you do these things, and it's probably
wasn't good to be sitting in the room breathing all
that smoke, you know, But I did it anyways. And
when I turned the lights out, the room was almost

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pitch black because we were in the country atmosphere and
there was just no outside lights. And it happened to
be a dark summer night, and I was laying in bed,
and I was just kind of staring at the glowing
ember of the incense, and all I could see was
just a red dot on the other side of the
room on my dresser, and I was just sort of

(10:10):
staring at it for a little bit, and I was
trying to get ready to go to sleep. I closed
my eyes, and as I was laying there, I started
to feel oddly disoriented. It was kind of strange because
I thought in my mind, I was like, wow, I
can't tell what direction my body's in. It felt like

(10:34):
I just I was awake, but I was thinking, this
seems strange. I just couldn't tell what was going on.
And at that point I suddenly got this really weird
feeling that there was a presence in my room and
the energy seemed to have changed all of a sudden,

(10:55):
and I was laying there kind of in fear, and
I thought, well, this is what's going on. And I
opened my eyes up and I looked and I could
see the incense ember burning there's in the same place,
and I did there, you know, I thought, this is silly.
Just go to sleep. I closed my eyes again, and

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I could not help but this strange feeling again that
the something was in the room with me, and that
there was this energy shift and I could feel it
my body kind of almost the hair kind of stands
up on end or whatever. And I opened my eyes
again and I looked and the red ember it had

(11:42):
moved a few inches from where it originally was, And
all of a sudden, I thought, what's going on here?
And I was afraid that, you know, something was going
to catch on fire or something. So even despite how
uncomfortable I felt, I ended up jumping up and running.

(12:07):
I didn't have a light near my bed, lamp or anything,
so I had to jump up and run and hit
the light switch. And when I did, I went over
and looked at the ember, and the incense cone had
been lifted up out of the coil and it was

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placed upright on the very tip of the crocodile nose
in a very precarious place that there's no way it
could have fallen by itself. There was no there was
no way this could have just happened on its own.
And I realized at that moment that something did come

(12:50):
into my room, and that scared the crap out of meself.

Speaker 4 (12:55):
So up up till then what kinds of activity had
you heard about from anybody else.

Speaker 3 (13:03):
Yeah, that's the thing is, you know, the I should
tell you that the area that we were in the
whole area was kind of strange, and it was you know,
near a big lake, and as kids, we would run
around in the woods out there and find native artifacts,
you know, carved little stone tools and arrowheads and pottery shards.

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So there was you know, a long history of people's
living in around that lake, and there was also during
the Victorian era there was a lot of people that
were around the lake as well, and hotels built right

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near where I was living at one point in time.
So as a kid, we would run around and see
these remnants of trolley and places that were there at
one time. In the woods. There was an old gazebo,
you know, there was woods at this point when I
was a kid, But there was a huge hotel right

(14:13):
next door to where the house that we moved into was. So,
you know, it makes you wonder. I don't know that
there was I you know, nobody in my family ever
said there was anything strange about the house itself, but
there could very well have been spirits roaming around that

(14:33):
land and matter of fact, the people that I have
talked to about that, I just my uncle said to
me it was a spooky place around there kind of.
But as kids, it was quite a playground for us,
you know, running around the creeks and looking. I remember
going up and down there was a fields where farmers

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are growing crops, and we would go up and down
there when they plowed and look for arrowheads and of so,
I don't know what it was that came into my room,
but you know, I got confirmation that it wasn't my imagination.
Something stopped by and I, for the life of me
can't figure out why. But I couldn't help but think

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later that you know, incense is used for a lot
of ritualistic purposes. You know, did this get some attention
somehow or was it just a total random thing or
a family member that you know, I had a lot
of relatives that lived around there at one point to
somebody stop in. But it was it wasn't terrified. Well

(15:40):
it's scared to crap out of me, you know, It
wasn't that was all it was. It was just this
strange little thing that let me know, oh I was here,
and uh, it was kind of a mess with my
mind a little bit.

Speaker 4 (15:55):
So that's all you recall mostly at that time is
your goal simply just saying, oh, yeah, it's it's a
spooky place.

Speaker 3 (16:04):
Well, the whole he was referring to the whole neighborhood
more than more than anything. But yeah, you know, as
far as the house goes, I you know, cannot really
recall any other things that I was aware of. There
was a huge attic in that house, and the entrance

(16:27):
to the attic happened to be in the closet of
my bedroom.

Speaker 4 (16:32):
Which oh lovely.

Speaker 3 (16:35):
Yeah, and so you know that that was an interesting thing.
And I remember climbing up there and going into this.
I mean, the attic was absolutely huge and it was creepy,
but there were remnants of things from years gone by there.

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But you know, maybe I started something up by being
curious and exploring around in there, you know. But so
it could have been that I, you know, got whatever's
attention it was. But it seems like I get said before,
it seems for some reason, I am the magnet. If

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there's anything roaming around it will notice me. And I
don't know why this is, but it seems to be
that's how it is for me. So it just was
a quirky little thing that happened at at you know,
my new place that we moved to, and you know,
so I thought I would share it. It's not earth

(17:40):
shattering story, but it is interesting that whatever it was,
it had the ability to lift this little cone right
up out of there, turn it upside right, and place
it meticulously in a little narrow spot. Just let me

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know it was there.

Speaker 4 (18:02):
It's been so long for me since I really experienced
anything strange that see. You say that that's such a
small thing, but to me that would I would just
be tickled to have something like that happen right now.
You know, to me, that would be a big deal.
So don't yeah, don't try to downplay your experiences, because
that to me sounds pretty cool. As you say, it

(18:23):
would have to pick that very specific spot on the
crocs nose for it to balance that way, right, So
that's pretty cool.

Speaker 3 (18:31):
Yeah, you know, of course there, you know, we probably
had a little post traumatic stress after living in that
other house.

Speaker 4 (18:38):
I would say.

Speaker 3 (18:39):
So, you know, so then you move and you think, oh,
it's all going to be over, you know, And but
obviously I had paranormal experiences before we had moved into
that childhood home, and then after we moved out of there,
I start having other paranormal experiences. So I apparently it
isn't just the location. And you know, somehow, I don't

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know how we'll call it weird luck or whatever you
want to call it. I don't know, but anyways, I
thought I would share that one with you as a
starting point.

Speaker 4 (19:13):
Well, Barry, did you ever get a thought in your mind?
And I know you were you were young, and you
have other things on your mind, but did it ever
cross your mind? Oh it's mister wolf. He's back, He's
followed me.

Speaker 3 (19:28):
Yeah. Well, of course you know that that thought did
cross my mind, because suddenly, you know, I'm thinking I'm
now in a safe place, and then something weird happens.
And sure, I mean there that thought did cross my mind,
Like you know, whoa I thought. We got away from that,

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and you know, for a few years after we moved,
my dad continued to own that house and somewhere he
ended up moving out of there, and I don't know
what happened if he let it get you know, I
don't know if he sold the house or if he
let the bank take it or I have no idea.

(20:11):
I have the history on the property, and I can
see when it, you know, was out of our name,
but it was, you know, so the house was still
in our family. My father, which is scaried to thought
it was in that house by himself at one point

(20:34):
in time until he moved out of there and got
himself an apartment. And then I don't know what, you know,
I have no idea what happened with the house at
that point other than eventually you end up in somebody
else's hands. But at that point, the house kept getting
sold over and over again. And you know, it's interesting that,

(20:56):
as I said before, every year, it seems like our
every couple of years, the time span of people got
shorter and shorter how long they stayed in that place.
But yeah, that did cross my mind. But you know,
at that age you just kind of as odd as
it is, you just roll with the punches. I mean,
I couldn't let all these things destroy me. I mean

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it was stressful. You know, you go through these things
and then you got to get up and go to
school the next morning, or or if you're an adult,
you got to go to work after something crazy happens
to here, But I didn't even probably I don't even
think I told anybody this, you know, until recent times
coming forward with these things. These are just things that happened,
and you know, nobody believed me anyway, So why bother

(21:41):
saying anything? So I don't think I said anything to
anyone about it, but I remembered it very vividly. That's
exactly how things happened with that.

Speaker 4 (21:51):
How long did it stay a duplex? For?

Speaker 3 (21:54):
It still is? Actually I looked up the property. Yeah,
you know, I go into these deep dives and say,
you know, what is the history of that area and
the properties? And I looked down there. I contacted my
uncle and asked him when my grandparents moved in there,
just see how long they were there. And they were
there for you know, twenty one twenty two years or something,

(22:17):
and raised my mother and her siblings. There was a
whole bunch of the kids in that family. You know,
to my knowledge, there there was no issues that I'm
aware of nobody, But you know, honestly, even if something
did happen, nobody would said anything, probably because they just
didn't talk about this stuff like I do. You know,

(22:38):
they just kept their mouths shut and nobody would acknowledge
odd things as far as I know, So, you know,
maybe something happened. Like I said, it was built in
nineteen thirty, so I don't have any idea who was
in that home prior to you know, my grandparents, but

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it stayed in their hands. They owned it when my
mother moved in. They continue to own that home and
rented the one side to my mom and to the
other side to my uncle, her brother, and it stayed
in the family for many years and eventually got sold.
But yeah, so anyways, that was that for that story.

Speaker 4 (23:20):
Well, now let's talk about what you have titled The
Field of Screams.

Speaker 3 (23:25):
I thought it was a good title.

Speaker 4 (23:27):
That's pretty awesome. I mean, maybe that'll be the episode title.
Maybe I cannot I can avoid how awesome that is.

Speaker 3 (23:34):
Yeah, whatever makes you comfortable and you want to do,
that's fine with me. But yeah, I'm moving on from
the Boogeyman. But you did finally ask me why do
you keep saying the Boogeyman? Was like, I just don't
want to say the name out loud. It's like it's
like looking in the mirror and calling what I forget

(23:55):
the teenage thing where you dy there. Yeah, Oh, that's it.
That's it was sort of that thing was going on
in my head, going, I don't know if I want
to keep saying the name because I don't want to
invoke it.

Speaker 4 (24:09):
Just like you're not supposed to talk about skinwalkers, you know,
you can't say the name. You don't say their names
out loud.

Speaker 3 (24:15):
So yeah, oh man, it's fascinating, but same token, I'm cautious.
I have reason to be cautious for these things. Well yeah,
so we're going to go into this is ancient times
for some of your listeners, I know. But nineteen seventy seven, now,
I just finished tenth grade and I was, you know,

(24:37):
it was kind of a wild and crazy kid like
rock and roll, and I had some new buddies from school.
I moved from out in the country back into town.
My life was complicated as a kid. Moved in with
my father and his new wife, and I ended up.

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I wanted to be a my friends and go back
to my old school, I guess, and you know, I
don't know. Any case, I did what I was doing.
So I moved into town and I had new friends
from tenth grade and we would I had a crossover
town on my bicycle to go see my friends. At

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this time, none of us had cars. We were sixteen
years old around that age, and none of us had cars.
None of us had a girlfriend at this point in time.
I mean, I hate to say it, I mean, but
we there was not a lot going on for us,
so we were just kind of killing some time. We

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were walking around. It was dark at night, we were
walking around, and there's a huge cemetery in my town.
I don't know. I know that we cut through the
cemetery a few times and maybe goofed around in there
a little bit as a dare, but I'm not sure

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if we cut through. I think we went through on
the side street, just walking the entire length of the
cemetery on a little shady side street, bricks side street,
going past the cemetery. And what we were doing, we
didn't really have any big plan or anything, but I

(26:24):
think we're cutting down. There was a big field across
the road because the cemetery is on the edge of town,
and once you cross past the cemetery, it really kind
of the town pretty much ended, and then it kind
of turned into fields in some country. And then if

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you kept driving, you'd be out there in the sticks.
But we were on the edge of town right there.
And you know, I won't play total innocence. We may
have had some alcohol possible that we were going to
experiment with that we you know, I don't remember, you know,

(27:05):
I don't think we didn't. We weren't drunk or anything
when this happened. So if I'm just trying to figure
out why did we go down into the field, I mean,
other than just trying to find some place to go
and something to do, I'm assuming maybe we were, you know,
gonna drink a try to drink something, but none of
us would have been of age and that would have

(27:27):
been bad behavior. But you know, we were drinking. Age
was eighteen, We were sixteen, maybe going on seventeen at
this point. But you know, I don't really recall doing
anything that specifically. But I was trying to figure out
why would we go down in there in the first place.
But we were wandering around the neighborhood doing basically nothing.

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We just kind of went down over into this field
and thought we would just park it down in there
and that way nobody's gonna hassle us or anything. And
you know, you could just keep wandering around no place
to go. I guess that was part of the problem.
So we just walked in across the street from the cemetery,
directly across the street from it, this little small brick street.

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We crossed over, and the spield the grass was probably
about waist high. And we walked down and it was
a slight slope and it kind of went down into
a valley and there were some little patches of woodsy
areas down there, and we just kind of went down
there and randomly picked a spot and we sat down

(28:32):
and we were just being goofy kids. There's I think
four of us, yeah, four of us that evening, and
we were all just sitting around, busting on each other
and so forth and being silly, and some were right around,
you know. After we settled in a little bit, everything

(28:54):
seemed fine and normal, and we suddenly got hit by
the stench of some kind of rotting meat, rotting animal,
rotting parcass of something. I know. It's a futrid odor
hit us and it came out of nowhere. And there

(29:15):
may have been some accusations from one another as to
who made such a horrific odor, but this was nothing
that came from a human. I mean, it was really wretched,
and it hit us quick out of nowhere. It wasn't
like that when we got there. And then all of
a sudden, this disgusting, horrible smell came over us, and

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we started just looking around. We were all sitting in
the grass. We matted the grass down, We were all
sort of sitting around a circle in the grass, just
kind of going what the heck is going on? And
by looking around, we noticed that the whole area had
suddenly seemed to have gotten foggy, like there was a

(30:01):
foggy mists came in which I don't know if it
naturally happened, it sure seemed like it came out of nowhere.
And we were now in this field with this stench
of rot rotten meat, and then and there was a

(30:23):
fog kind of rolled in on us. Very odd to
say the least, and we were completely confused about what
was happening, you know. And then to make things even stranger,
we started we heard something and we could see something
running through the tall grass towards us, and all of

(30:45):
a sudden, this huge black dogs came right out at
I mean, we're on the ground sitting and this big,
huge dog comes and his head pops through the grass
and these staring at us basically eye to eye. And

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I don't know if this was a rot wilder, it
was something big with a big black head, and it
was scary as heck. And he just sat there staring
at us and let this low growl out and we
were petrified. We were afraid to move. We didn't know
what to do. And then I looking up you could

(31:28):
see the silhouette of a man standing up on at
the top of the sloped hill and he was in
this mist so you couldn't see what was going on,
but he looked like he was kind of back lit
by a street light and he didn't move at all.

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But the weird part was that the dog ended up
turning around and leaving. And the odd thing was this
man was dressed. It was not dressed like a normal
person at all. He was dressed with this big, wide
brimmed hat and a long like coat, the knee length

(32:14):
coat on. And here it was summer in New York
and we were all with t shirts and jeans out there,
and it was just very very strange. The whole thing
just seemed so odd, And of course we were, you know,
in this freaked out moment, and I'm sure that somebody skeptical,

(32:39):
but like, oh, it was some guy walking his dog,
and you guys were, you know, down there drinking straw
Boons Farm strawberry wine or something. But you know, none
of us, We were not intoxicated or anything like that.
And the way that it all happened, so one thing
after another after another, it really just was very strange.

Speaker 4 (33:05):
I mean, did when the dog left, did it go
towards this man?

Speaker 3 (33:09):
Yeah, well he went into the tall grass and went
back the same direction that he came from, so I'm
assuming he went back to where the man was. I
didn't never saw the dog again, and it was foggy,
so I couldn't see the grounde you know at that
point either, but you could see where the grass had moved,

(33:31):
you know, going through this. It made its own pathway
through the grass right directly at us. And Yeah, the
weird part was then after all that happened, we were
just kind of all sitting there freaked out, and we
just got this feeling, like I got this feeling, I
don't know what. My friends barely spoke to me about

(33:54):
this afterwards, but I did try to make him talk
to me afterwards, but I just got this feeling like
this man was mad and he wanted us out of there,
kind of a thing. I got this impression from this
figure that was there, and then before we know it,

(34:16):
this figure which I never actually saw it moving around
or it never said anything. It just sort of seemed
like in this misty fog, it seemed like he just
kind of faded away or stepped out of sight, and
that was it, except of course we ended up jumping

(34:38):
up in everything seemed like it cleared away, the misty
fog seemed like it was starting to go away, but
we didn't stick around for long, and we all ended
up running running home. We've split up and went different directions.
And actually the one kid, he never hung out with

(34:59):
us again, and he ended up finding religion, and he
thought he saw the devil that night, and he ended
up finding religion, and I think he ended up getting it,
joining the military or something. But never never did he
ever come and hang out with us again. And I
remember calling my friends the next morning and going, what

(35:20):
the heck happened? What was that last night? And they
did not want to talk about it and we never
did talk about it ever again.

Speaker 4 (35:29):
Well, it sounds like you weren't the only one that
it left an impression on.

Speaker 3 (35:34):
Yeah, that's for sure. It definitely affected all of us.
It was it wasn't something normal. It was definitely something
that was not. It was something paranormal. But you know,
of course, when I saw the movie The Omen and
I saw those dogs come running in the cemetery, I
thought of that moment that we had that experience where

(35:58):
these dogs. You know, it seems so cliche, but this
is what happened. And it was a big, huge black
dog and the you know, thank god, you know, he
could have ripped our faces off at that point. We
were at a disadvantage sitting on the ground in the
grass and have this huge dog come running out. Like dogs,

(36:24):
I like animals, but you know, you don't want to
meet them in this kind of situation. This thing the
way he just kind of came charging through and then
stopped right there and just sat there and stared at us,
and then this is low growl and then we didn't
hear anybody call him or no noise, but he just
turned around and then left.

Speaker 4 (36:44):
But it was like a warning, so you said that
the grass was about waist high to you guys when
the dog was coming through. You guys are sitting when
the dog is coming through, could you see the top
of its ears, or its head or any part of
its body as it's moving through the gross before it
came out.

Speaker 3 (37:03):
No, not at all. But we heard something and we
could see the grass moving. But by the time we
saw that, it was pretty much right up on it. Right.
We just started to or heard something, could see the
grass moving, and at that point, all of a sudden,
this dog just popped his head out out of the grass.

Speaker 4 (37:24):
I mean, how big is big? I mean when when
you're it's at night, and you know, maybe you're you know,
you're having phoned your friends. You might even be a
little bit freaked out and don't even know it because
you're maybe somewhere where you possibly should be and you're
definitely doing something that you shouldn't. So how big is big?

Speaker 3 (37:42):
Is this?

Speaker 4 (37:43):
Like you mentioned the rottweiler as a.

Speaker 3 (37:45):
Braid, Yeah, yeah, I mean because the size of the
dog's head, I would, you know, I would say that
was pretty good description. I mean I couldn't see it
being brown and black. It just looked like a black,
large black dog with a very large head. And you
know that's really all like yeah, remember, and it all

(38:09):
happened so quickly, and the adrenaline rush of it all
was you know, he just all, you just you don't
know what to think. We didn't dare to move. We
were like frozen when that happened. And then within a
matter of seconds. I suppose it. It felt like an
eternity when it was sitting there staring, but I imagine

(38:30):
it was only a matter of seconds and then it
turned and left. But it was very very strange. It
was scary. It was a very intimidating dog. Let's say
that much.

Speaker 4 (38:42):
I mean, my friend W. T. Watson actually has an
entire book that is based upon I think it's the
actual title missed Clouds and Fog in some iteration in
order like that. It don't quote me on that, but
in the paranormal essential like cloudsoness fog in the paranormal.
So it's just interesting the second that my eyebrows went

(39:05):
up and you said that this this fog kind of
rolled in and then the the atmosphere changed prior to
seeing these these two i'll call him fellows, who knows
what the you know, what the dog was, but that
that strange man I'm sure was the coupd of graph
for the whole thing, and not even seeing him move,

(39:27):
so you didn't even see the the long coat flapping
in the breeze. And how far away would you say
this man was from you?

Speaker 3 (39:34):
Hmm, boy, that's a good question. We weren't that far
down the slope it was. It was a long it
was a the field sloped downward. I would say it's
probably half a football field. They're less. Uh, yeah, you know,

(39:55):
I wasn't that far. Gosh, I wish I could wish,
I I tell you and how many feet it was
a way, but I would imagine it was, yeah, probably
quarter of a football field. To were half a football
field some you know maybe that. I mean, it was

(40:17):
clearly a figure of a look like a very large
man wearing very unusual clothing. I did not see it,
as a matter of fact, you know what it looked
like and which the movie didn't exist. But if I
was to say, you would put the jeepers creepers guy

(40:39):
up on the top of that hill in the silhouette form,
that's what we had. Had this very wide brimmed hat,
which was I don't know anybody it walks around wearing
a very wide brimmed hat typically. Well, I might have
known some wild character in my lifetime that would, but

(40:59):
this was not your normal fashion statement of the day,
especially in the summer months, and also wearing a long coat.
I don't I can't say that I because it was misty.
You know, all we just saw the form. I couldn't
see anything animated. I didn't see things. There was no

(41:23):
wind that night. It was a calm night. That was
a weird part. It was a perfectly clear evening when
we headed out, everything was perfectly fine. But then where
did this mist come from? You got me? It just
seemed to show up right after we started smelling this
bench of what smelled like rotting flash. See.

Speaker 4 (41:45):
And that's the other thing, is that smell that hit
you guys prior to So you know, I could see
where your friend kind of goes if you if you
take it in straight into that context of I saw
the devil and that was his hell, and you know,
you have this myss that comes through or fog and
you have this horrible smell. So I could see where

(42:07):
your friend may have a mind to go all the
way to I saw the devil that night.

Speaker 3 (42:12):
Yeah, well he was raised Catholic, wasn't right.

Speaker 4 (42:16):
That's his lens. So he just went all the way there.

Speaker 3 (42:20):
Yeah, And like I say, he never his name was John.
He never ever hung out with us kids again. And
a matter of fact, I was like, what's happened with him?
They're like, oh, well he's he's found religion. He's going
to church now. He he doesn't want to hang out
with us anymore kind of thing. I was like, wow, okay,

(42:41):
but you know, for me, it was a weird experience.
I was highly disturbed. The next day. I remember just
getting on my bike and riding home and just going,
you know, kind of freaked out a little bit. But
the next morning I called my one friend Dave up
and I'm like, what the heck happened last night? You know,
he didn't want to feel comfortable to talk about it

(43:03):
at you know, I go something weird going on and
he's just like, yeah, you know, but we never typical
teenage guys or whatever. We never spoke about it again
after that. Was no we never told anybody else or anything.
But it was very unusual experience and it was pretty
darn scary. But there is something else I need to

(43:24):
add to the story, if that's okay with you. Well,
I was doing some homework, curious, trying to look for answers,
like what in the world happened? You know. I found
out that that cemetery had a pauper's graveyard, because you know,

(43:46):
they have to bury people who don't have the money
to be buried somewhere, and the cemetery owned that field
across the street. Actually, the last time I went up there,
there were actually legitimate graves on the other side of
the road and one of the sections and that field

(44:08):
that the section that we were in, is still unmarked,
but I'm pretty sure that that location, and somebody years
ago had told me that that. Of course, after the incident,
that's why I was asking about it. That that because

(44:31):
I the person got a job doing maintenance work or
something there at one point and I asked them if
there was a popper's grave in the yard and he said, yeah,
across the road, and so yeah, we may have been
sitting over this man's grave and he didn't like it.
You know, I don't know that for sure, but I

(44:53):
think we pissed him off maybe and and he was
trying to get a the heck out of there.

Speaker 4 (45:01):
So all of these graves would be unmarked graves.

Speaker 3 (45:05):
Yes, sadly they were. Well, if there were any markings,
they would have been in the grass. I guess maybe
there were. Maybe there would have been some small little
There was no stones or anything like that, no signs
or nothing that we saw. We all we saw was

(45:25):
just a grassy field. And there was a side road
near not too far from where we were at where
vehicles could drive down in there. Well we didn't, you know,
it was like a little it was just a dirt
path basically for vehicles. Well we you know, I come
to realize that that was from the cemetery using that

(45:49):
little road to drive their vehicles down in there, probably
to bury or to maybe maintain that property or whatever
they were doing with it. But yeah, it was a
very strange, a strange summer experience for us.

Speaker 4 (46:08):
Yeah, I would say so. I mean, at least you
knew that the dog, I mean, as far as it
being on this plane of existence, it was physical because
it was moving the grass. So I guess at least
there's that. But all these other things added together that
would have freaked me out too.

Speaker 3 (46:26):
Yeah. Well, the other thing is, you know, this is
this cemetery is like thirty eight acres of you know,
thousands of bodies buried there, so having paranormal activity around
the cemetery wouldn't be a big surprise. I wouldn't think, right,
you know, But I don't know. I have more questions

(46:47):
and answers to it. But it is something that happened
to us, and it was a weird experience for sure.

Speaker 4 (46:54):
I wonder berry if in some a dark forgotten area
of the inner back when you know it all started
with AOL chats and forums and things, right, the internet
did long before podcasts, if there are some written account
of someone else seeing this dog and it's whatever that

(47:16):
was companion.

Speaker 3 (47:18):
Yeah, that you know. Actually, somebody mentioned to me that
there was a tradition that the first person that died
in the town was Now this may have been in
Europe or something, they would bury a dog along with
the person to be the guardian of the cemetery. I'd

(47:40):
never heard anything about this. But the cemetery itself was
established in the nineteen or eighteen fifty eight or something,
I believe, the cemetery and there was. I mean, it's
an interesting, pretty creepy place to wander through. There there

(48:04):
was times it seems like I always ended up in
the cemetery when I go home. I have family buried
in this place, so I go to see them. But
you know, there's been times when I'm walking over other
people's graves, going excuse me, pardon me, excuse me. I'd
mean no harm. You know, don't follow me home, please,

(48:24):
because you know, I feel like I'm at risk going
into these places. You know, they go just ignore me.
I'm just here to see family. But yeah, it's a huge,
huge place, and so you know, I don't know, but
it is curious. It's just one of them curious incidents
that happened. Well.

Speaker 4 (48:45):
Yeah, and in fact, I think it was. I believe
it was our second episode, not our first. I could
be wrong, but the second episode in my three part
with Mark and Erica of Eerie Travels, we covered the
dark side of the Smoky Mountains, and one of the
little sections of the chapters that I chose had to

(49:07):
do with a phantom black dog. And the thinking was
what you just said, that it was this dog that
was buried at the edge or the corner of this
cemetery that kept coming back to keep watch of said cemetery.
So who knows?

Speaker 3 (49:21):
Oh well, I know them, and I'm going to have
to talk to Mark about that.

Speaker 4 (49:26):
Oh hey, he will know all about that. Yeah, we
that was a great one. There's so many in that book.
It was tough to choose. But I love any phantom,
black dogs, or any kind of a guardian element to things,
whether it be good or bad. But you know, it's
all fascinating.

Speaker 3 (49:43):
I guess I can say I believe I've had one
of those experiences then, And yeah, I have some of
their books and they're great. By the way, anybody listening
you should check out their books. Well. Any case, that
was definitely an interesting moment in my my teenage years.
But there were more, if you want to hear some more.

Speaker 4 (50:04):
Yeah, let's move to that haunted mansion on the lake,
shall we?

Speaker 3 (50:09):
Why not? Sure, let's do it? Okay? Yes, So again,
when I moved down to by my grandparents, they right
next door to where we were living was a property
right on the lake, and this place, my goodness, it was.

(50:35):
It was for children. All the kids in the neighborhood there,
we would all explore around on this property. It was
ten acres of land that nobody was living on, but
it was owned by a wealthy old woman that lived

(50:55):
in a huge mansion in town. And this property there
was a maintenance gy. We called him frog Man the kids.
I didn't make it up, but he had a strange voice,
and he would yell and curse at us and all
kinds of swear words when he would chase us off
the property by talk like this. So we had a

(51:17):
nickname for him, and I'm sure that we gave him
a run for his money. But really, most of the time,
this is a place where nobody locked their doors in
this neighborhood. Our old the kids, we ran feral during
the summer months, I mean barefoot, tarbubbles stuck to our feet.

(51:38):
We ran around fishing in the lake, going up the creek.
There was a creek. Great bought nearby looking for you know,
picking lifting rocks and finding creepy weird things that crawled
under them. And there was on the property, this ten
acre property. This wasn't a crazy place. It's felt very

(52:00):
eerie and strange to be on there, the place. Nobody
had lived on this property. I don't believe since the
nineteen thirties, and so there was a huge mansion, an
eight bedroom, four bath mansion that was on the lake.
And this is a Victoria, you know, it was actually

(52:22):
built nineteen twenty the house, but there was a barn
on the property. There was a huge boat house, there
was a ballroom, I mean this place. There were out
there were carriage houses, a chicken coop was you know,
there was just all kinds of interesting things to explore
as kids. A big pond that was filled with bullfrogs

(52:47):
which we would catch, and we would go there and
play frisbee and you know, just do our own just
play around the property more or less, not really looking
for any troubler or anything. But it was a playground
for kids for sure. And there were woods attached to
the property as well, and there was an artesian well

(53:09):
out there. We would drink the water out of the
artesian well and sit up in a big oak tree
up there and build forts in the woods and stuff.
So it was a very strange place. But also again
this is the same area where I found Indian native
artifacts around in the woods and around the lake property there.

(53:33):
So that area had been inhabited for a very long
time and in a lot of woods. That was the
barrier between the house that I was living in and
the property with the mansion. There was a lot of
woods there and that originally was a spot where a
huge Victorian hotel sat that was torn down or burned down.

(53:59):
I've seen two different stories to that, one that either
it was burnt down or the owner tore it down
because it just wasn't making money. The whole property was
owned by a very very wealthy industrials list and the
back in the Victorian times, this man made a lot

(54:20):
of money and so he purchased this property and it
was his son that ended up building the mansion. So
you know, there was quite a bit of history to it.
And so when I was, you know, as a teenager,
I was with some other teens roaming around one day

(54:40):
and we were up this thing had a huge porch
and everything, and we discovered that somebody had gotten into
the house. The windows were boarded up, but somebody had
managed to pry the board away and found and was
able to open up a window and got in there.

(55:01):
At one point of course, and I mean, this is
bad teenager behavior and forgiving me people, but you know, curiosity,
we could not help ourselves to want to take a
look inside this place. So we kind of moved the
board out of the way and opened the window up

(55:22):
and peeked inside, and you know, it looked just like
what you would imagine a haunted mansion at the time
at that time. If the place is all fixed up
nice now, but at the time, there was you know,
fabrics covering all kinds of furniture in there. The whole

(55:43):
place was fully furnished in there, and it was in
really good condition. It had been taken care of, just
been locked up tight for years. And well, we ended
up entering into the place and kind of just went
in there, looked around pretty quick, and we could see

(56:05):
that there was like newspapers from the nineteen thirties in there,
so nobody had been living in there since the nineteen thirties.
It didn't look like you know. Of course, after taking
a quick look around, we kind of scooted it out
of there, and He's, you know, like, oh, that was
exciting and adrenaline rush in a half. But we put

(56:27):
things back the way it was. And but we being
teenage kids, ended up going in there a few other
times and we didn't disrupt anything. Or take anything. You know,
we just we we kind of just went in there
as a dare and I but that was it, you know.

(56:48):
But somewhere along the line, when I got my driver's license,
I went on a double date with my friend Woodie.
And then when this is probably one of the first
dates we ever went on, I guess, you know, I
was driving, and we had these girls with us, and
we were trying to keep them entertained and find things

(57:10):
to do. And there's an old midway up the road
on the lake that we went to that had an
arcade and stuff, and on the way back, we weren't
sure what to do next or whatever. And I think
it's I'm sure it was my idea that hey, there's
this mansion, let's you know, let's go there, and these

(57:34):
poor girls reluctantly agreed to follow along with us to
this mansion. Whether this was not a planned event, of course.
I spoke to my friend Woody about this in recent
times actually to see if you remembered, and you know, he's, oh,
my gosh, yes, I remember that incident. It's funny because

(57:56):
when we got to this mansion, I mean, it's dark out.
This is a scary situation, and these poor girls went
along with us. But what he said, well, we were
probably hoping to scare them and then they would jump
into our arms and kiss us. You know. I was like, well,
obviously that didn't work out, what he did. But you know,

(58:19):
silly teenage boys, who knows, you know, we were just
you know, you're just kind of living life as it
is and rolling with punches whatever comes your way. And
so we we got to the I drove my little
car down onto the property and we walked over to
the mansion and we entered into the building. We had

(58:41):
no flashlights. We had one big lighter, which was new. Now.
I didn't smoke, but one of my friends did, so anyway,
somebody was smoking and there was always had this bicklighter,
and I used that. I knew my way up to

(59:01):
There was a room up at the top of the
stairs that I had been into with some other kids
at one point, and we sat around on the floor
and there was a table and there was candle there
because the all the windows were shuttered at that point time.

(59:24):
And I know we've been in there. I had been
in there a couple times, but only for brief moments.
There mostly you know, it's a dare kind of a thing.
But so any case, I was leading the way and
these two girls were in the middle of my friend

(59:44):
Wood he was in the back, and we were kind
of going along to beeping up the stairs, and I
went to enter into the room. The door was closed,
and when I went to try to turn the doorknob
to open it, the door would have opened inward. I

(01:00:07):
was getting a resistance as if somebody was on the
other side of the door holding it shut, right, And
of course they didn't know what was going on. But
I'm holding a lighter in my one hand and I'm
fusing with the doorknob trying to push the door open,
and felt like something was pushing and pulling or pushing

(01:00:29):
the door shut, you know, and they're like, what are
you doing? You know kind of thing. And then all
of a sudden the door opened, and this uh, you know,
I said, I used the word wind, which was the
wrong word to use. It. It was a chilled breeze,

(01:00:50):
if you will, came out of the room, and as
soon as it did, the top of the lighter that
I had just fell right off the lighter and we
were in the pitch black It's just it was so weird.
I mean, was it a faulty lighter, I don't know, maybe,
but the odds of it, in the timing of this

(01:01:11):
was incredible. And of course now everybody's screaming at me.
Were turned the lighter light, you know, where's the light?
And I'm sitting there going, what in the heck happened?
I'm in the dark. No, the lighters broke and this
bone chilling feeling came over us and suddenly, you know,

(01:01:35):
I'm like, we gotta go, and we just kind of
all ended up running out of the place. Boy, those
girls were not happy with They thought that we did
all this just to scare them. I was scared, you know,
but they thought it was all you know, we were
just pulling a prank and they were like, just take
us home. You know. We were upset with me, and

(01:01:57):
you know, I was trying to apologize, but it was
what it was. It was, but it felt like this
whatever that energy was, it followed us all the way
through the place till we got out of the building.
You just felt like something was right on your tail,
chasing you out of there. And it was it was

(01:02:19):
very really quite a creepy strange little experience because I
was trying to explain to my friend that now they
wouldn't let me. I was, you know, trying to explain
to the girls. I was, I didn't do it anything.
I couldn't. I couldn't open the door. And then it
opened and the lighter just broke. I don't it was.

(01:02:41):
It was weird.

Speaker 4 (01:02:41):
I would hazard to say that you fellas did not
get a second date with those ladies.

Speaker 3 (01:02:48):
No, there was no hugs, no kisses at night.

Speaker 4 (01:02:52):
Dang work, what he's like, dang it?

Speaker 3 (01:02:57):
How not to uh yeah, how not to get to
say yeah, well, you know, that was my bad. I'm
it was my idea, I'm sure of it. Just trying
to I thought, hey, we could get them up in
that room, maybe we could smooch him. I don't know,
it's probably what he was, probably right when he said
that to me, But you know, I don't know that
there was any true intention of any kind other than hey,

(01:03:20):
something a fun thrill, you know, something to do. Yeah, yeah, sure,
you know, And at that age, you just we're not
looking for trouble, really, We're just looking for something exciting
to do. And you know, it was one of those
crazy things. But yeah, that those girls, that was the
end of that. And but it's funny my friend remembered

(01:03:42):
the incident and he said, oh, we probably got some
boons farm strawberry wine for them or something. Well, we
never even had a chance. If we did, there was
no chance to even indulge in anything at all because
the night was over after that. So but you would

(01:04:03):
think that after that I would not have gone back
in there, but that's not how things are with me.
I ended up going in there two times more than
that because after that incident, I told some other friends
of mine, Hey, that mansions haunted and yeah, they were like, yeah, right, okay, sure,

(01:04:27):
you know. And I wanted to try to prove to
them somehow, and so I brought a couple of my
other friends there. And they weren't as brave as these girls,
because we were not going in there at night time.
We went in there during the daytime. But they there
was the top of the lighter laying on the floor

(01:04:48):
right there, like I told them, you know, and we
went inside the room. I opened the door up without
any resistance, and you know, it was kind of weird.
I wondered afterwards, like that door every time it's always closed,
but I don't remember closing it, you know, like I'm

(01:05:08):
going to close the door after myself or anything like that.
So that made me kind of wonder about that. But
I brought these other couple of kids there and we
sat up in the room just and we could hear noises.
But you know, this place is one hundred years old.
It's a you know, or close to it at that point,

(01:05:30):
I don't know, and you know, there were probably squirrels
and other animals around, and so I couldn't say that
anything was paranormal happening while we were there, and I
was kind of like bummed out a little in some ways.
I was like, gosh, darn it, I'm trying to prove
my something happened. But they're like, yeah, sure, uh huh.

(01:05:51):
And that was kind of it. We're sitting on the
in that room on the floor again, and then we
got up and we left, well the following day, actually
towards it was after dinner the following day. After dinner,

(01:06:12):
I discovered that my wallet was missing, and I was
thinking myself, Oh my gosh, where's my wallet. I looked
all over the place. I had just got my driver's
license which was in my wallet, probably five bucks if
I was lucky to have anything in there other than that.
But I was really concerned. And then I thought to myself,

(01:06:35):
oh my gosh, I think I remember sitting on the
floor and my wallet was uncomfortable because I was sitting
on the floor, and I took it out of my pocket,
and I thought, I think the last time I saw
my wallet was in the mansion, which was a really
horrifying thing to think about. And it was after dinner,

(01:06:59):
is getting towards dusk, and I was supposed to go
and meet some friends, but without my driver's license in
my wallet, I wasn't gonna be going anywhere. So I
ended up having to go back to the mansion. I
was at my mom and my siblings were still living

(01:07:20):
in the house over there, and I was over there,
and I just walked over to that property, and I
felt like, I mean, the length of walking there in
the dread of me having to go in there by myself,
really was getting to me. Each step I got closer,
the more uncomfortable I was. I'm like, oh my gosh,

(01:07:42):
I got to just try to go in there quick
as I can and go and see if my wallet's
in there, and then get out of there, as you
know what I was thinking. But I was dreading going
in there because I knew something was in that house.
And so sure enough I enter into the building, and

(01:08:04):
as I do, it is very uncomfortable. I feel like
the ghost and mister Chicken here with that. You know.
It's different when you got friends with you, you know,
but when you're by yourself that changes everything. And so
I went and I remember stepping up got to the
staircase and I looked up and I that's really when

(01:08:26):
I was like, oh gosh, I just feel so nervous
about walking up them steps. But I did, and I
entered it into the room and sure enough there was
my wallet sitting on the floor, and I was like,
oh my gosh, thank gosh. You know, I found my wallet.
I grabbed my wallet, and this is I'm embarrassed to

(01:08:47):
admit this part of the story, but it's important part
of the story. For some reason. Right as I got
my wallet, it hit me that I had to pee.
Really that Like why I couldn't have waited, I don't know.
But there was a bathroom upstairs, and of course this

(01:09:10):
bathroom is from nineteen twenty you know, bathroom, and I'm
so embarrassed to admit it, but I'm going to tell
you the story as it was, exactly how it happened.
I decided that so I that the drain in the
tub would drain, and maybe it was from gravity or whatever.

(01:09:34):
The toilet I didn't have any hope for that whatever reason,
I went into this gold claw foot tub and began
to relieve myself. Oh God, I can't believe I'm telling
the world this story. But anyways, right at that moment,

(01:09:56):
a door flew open with a tremendous right across from
the bathroom, and it was the door that went to
the attic of the house. And I was in absolute shock.
And I looked and what I believe I saw it
would have only been for a matter of seconds, but

(01:10:18):
it looked I believe that I saw a very angry
looking woman from like a Victorian era, very you know,
it was it was an apparition. At one point, I
remember trying to my brain trying to think it must

(01:10:40):
have been a painting of this lady there or something,
but no, I believe that it was a woman in
a dress with her hair up in a you know,
some kind of a rich, wealthy looking lady, angry woman
staring right at me, and uh, I just flew out

(01:11:02):
of there, jumped through down the stairs without touching the stairs,
probably urinated all over my well, myself and everywhere, I
don't know, but I literally ran out of the place,
dove out of it practically, and just kept running until
I got home and realized that I needed to take

(01:11:24):
a shower and change my clothing at that point, and
I never went back into the place ever again. But
I learned my less in the hard way. And I
don't blame her for being pissed off at me at all,
because I deserved it. But my gosh, why I couldn't
have just waited till I got out of there. I

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regretted that.

Speaker 4 (01:11:46):
I mean, that sure does tie in to the door
having resistance on it and a cool breeze coming out once.
It does when you were with those ladies, and it
it almost seeming like she wanted to make sure for
that instance. I'm going back, of course, of the first

(01:12:07):
time that you guys got out, and now she wanted
to make sure you're again.

Speaker 3 (01:12:13):
She didn't want to know hanky panky in her house. No,
she seemed, which wouldn't have happened anyways.

Speaker 4 (01:12:19):
I'm sure like she wanted no muss, no fuss, and
she was pissed then because then you were essentially yeah,
oh I doing what you were doing.

Speaker 3 (01:12:29):
Now. When I told my wife that story, she just
looked at me, like, what the heck is wrong with you?
I'm like, I was a teenage boy. I don't know,
you know, I just whatever. You know, I was embarrassed,
but again, it's this is how the story went, and yeah,
I got she was mad, very angry at me. You know.

(01:12:51):
The interesting thing is this family that was their summer home.
This was just their summer home. It's you know, this
was uh these people lived a very lavish lifestyle back
in those days. And so to have some rugret kid,

(01:13:11):
you know, showing up there whatever, I don't know, I'm
trying to think of what to call myself. But anyways,
some scrappy little kids showing up in their house and
then defiling their bath. Uh, I mean, my goodness, you know,
I I wasn't the kind of kid that was a
destructive kid. We I didn't go around, you know, you know,

(01:13:32):
tearing the place apart or anything. I had no interest
in I didn't, you know, there was all kinds of
antiquities and things, but we didn't even really roam around
in the house too much other than going into that
one room. And like I say, it was for a
dare really until I, you know, but then I realized
something really was going on in the house. But just

(01:13:55):
recently I was doing some more research on the place
and found out that the man that built the place
had died in the building in the nineteen thirties. So
for whatever reason, he was in that home instead of
the other big mansion that he probably owned many properties.
But so I know that there was at least the

(01:14:19):
you know, the property stayed in a family for years,
so I know that there was his death in there,
but I couldn't find any information. But I believe it
was his wife that I saw, but I could not
find any information on her death where that took place.
But I don't blame her. She probably loved their summer retreat,

(01:14:42):
and I was not happy that some stupid kid like
me was in there doing that.

Speaker 4 (01:14:49):
Well, And that's all to say that and these will
not be shared with anyone, but you sent them to me.
That this place has been refurbished it is no longer
just an end in mansion, and it is absolutely beautiful,
and I'm just I'm very curious if the people that
live there now have any activity.

Speaker 3 (01:15:09):
I really am too, and believe me, I wanted to
so badly, you know, talk to them, but it mattered,
you know, of whorse that there's yeah, there's no trespassing
signs there and it's a private I was. I drove
past there and thinking the same thing, like, oh, I
just want to go and talk to those people. But yeah,

(01:15:31):
I would be very curious about that myself, and I'll
never probably find out the answer to that. But it
is an interesting place. Yes, it looks amazing. Back at
the time that you know, in the seventies again, when
we were going around there as kids, the place showed

(01:15:52):
it looked like it was just frozen in time, basically
like it was just a place that was out. It
was such a strain atmosphere that this magnificent place, it
is kind of a sitting there still for decades and
with nothing going on. The wealthy old lady would have
a driver driver down in her old Cadillac nineteen fifties

(01:16:17):
Cadillac just to drive through there to see the property
and then she'd leave, you know. It was she was
the heiress to the family fortune. But never stayed there,
never went in the place that I'm aware of or
anything like that. It was just to do a loop,
do a drive by, and that would be it. But yeah,

(01:16:39):
it was a very interesting place to be growing up around,
and again I am curious about it. I went and
explored that neighborhood when I was home last time, just
in July, but I could not go down into that
property anymore. So it is what it is.

Speaker 4 (01:16:59):
I can't blame you of that one, especially with that
coupda grau episode at the very end there seeing that
very upset woman, So I don't blame you.

Speaker 3 (01:17:08):
I don't know if I would be comfortable walking back
in there ever. But on the other hand, I was like,
please forgive me. I'm so sorry. I was a stupid kid.
I regret this, so I will clean your tub for you,
will just give me a second chance. Well anyways, so yes,
that was that was that. I thought. Then I would

(01:17:33):
share another story unless you want to have any other
questions about that, No.

Speaker 4 (01:17:38):
Go right ahead.

Speaker 3 (01:17:40):
Yeah, so this next story takes place I'm thinking it
was in nineteen eighty I had moved away to go
to art school, and I moved to Pittsburgh. I was
nineteen eighteen May go on, I think it was nineteen

(01:18:02):
at this point in time. So at that time I
moved into a house with three other art students that
I did not know. There's a shortage of housing and
pits for the for the students, and we all ended
up in this house, which was turned into a party

(01:18:22):
house eventually once, especially when the kids in the neighborhood
found out that there was some art students living in
their neighborhood. But one day I got up. I had
to take a bus to go to school. All of
us actually none of us had a vehicle at this
point in time, and we all took the bus to
go down into downtown. So we were living in a

(01:18:44):
suburb north of the city and a little township called Bellevue.
So we would get on the bus in the morning.
We had to We carried these huge portfolio bags with us.
You put all your drawing tools and drawing board and
paper and everything in your pens and stuff in this

(01:19:05):
big bag and lug this bag around with you. And
I went to school in the morning like a normal day.
But sometime during the morning hours, I started to feel
really run down to the point where I felt like
it was getting worse and worse, and I just started

(01:19:28):
feeling really sluggish to where I started thinking I was
coming down with something, you know. I felt like I
was getting sick. And I decided that I was going
to have to leave school and go home, which was
something I had never done before, and so I ended

(01:19:51):
up just felt like I didn't have a choice. I
just needed to go. I felt like I had to
go lay down, and so I school early and I
went and got to the bus stop and I had
been used to taking my bus at specific time, you know,
so then I had to go there and hope for

(01:20:12):
the to catch the next bus to get back to Bellevue.
And I managed to get on the bus and headed
back and I got off the bus to head home,
and I was just literally felt like I was crawling
just about usually I was, you know, very quite a
spry young kid, always walking everywhere, and had this bag.

(01:20:33):
It didn't seem but the bag felt like a weigh
one hundred pounds to me at the time, and I
was just trying in Pittsburgh, it's all Hills, you know.
So I was just trying to get home. And when
I finally did get home, I got to the house
and it was quiet. Nobody was there, which was a
rare moment for me to get into the house when
nobody was around. And I went up to my bedroom,

(01:20:56):
which was in the attic, so three stories up. I
didn't went up to my bed and I laid down
and I just immediately fell asleep. And while I was sleeping,
I heard my father's calling me. I heard his voice

(01:21:18):
calling me. Sounded like he was standing at the bottom
of the stairs, calling up to me, and I was
my brain was going, oh my gosh, Dad's here. I
got to answer him, and I was struggling to answer him.
I was trying to open my mouth and say yeah, Dad,
you know, but I was having difficulty to say anything

(01:21:40):
to him. And then the next thing I know, I
opened my eyes up, at least I thought I opened
my eyes up, and my face was right up against
the ceiling of my bedroom, and I could hear my
dad talking to me in the room. He sounded a

(01:22:00):
little echoly, but he was talking to me, and you
know this, you know, he was asking me stuff about
my life, that was going on there. And you know,
at that time, my dad and I, you know, he
was busy with his life and I was busy with
my new you know, this small town kid moving into

(01:22:20):
the big city. It was quite an adjustment for me.
And I wasn't a great adjustment by any means, having
all these new roommates and kids in the neighborhood and
you know, having to go into the big city and everything.
It was. It was I was struggling with some things
going on with that. But he was talking to me,

(01:22:41):
but I was confused. I'm like, what is happening? Why
am I Why am my face right up against the ceiling.
It's weird because I almost could feel the heat coming
from the ceiling, like the sun, and the smell of it.
Even it's so odd to say that, but in the

(01:23:03):
midst of all this stuff going on, it felt like
we were having some telepathic communication, which you know, again,
I was confused about what was going on. I somewhere
along the line, turned myself around and I looked and
I saw my body laying in the bed. And when

(01:23:24):
that happened, I got frightened and my I guess, if
you want to call it soul flew right back into
my body at that point. I recall eventually waking up
hearing the phone ringing down into the kitchen two stories down.

(01:23:49):
This is back before cell phones, when phones were attached
to a wall with a cork, so for anybody young listening,
I as soon as I heard the phone ringing, I knew,
I'm like, it's Dad, and I jumped up and I
ran down to the kitchen and I picked up the phone,
and sure enough, it was my father. And something I

(01:24:10):
should mention is that my father, with his busy schedule
and me with my school schedule, him calling me in
the middle of the week at that hour it was
mid afternoon by this point in time calling me, the
odds of me ever being there to answer the phone

(01:24:31):
would have been almost zero. So it was very unusual
to have my dad calling me like that. But there
he was. And but it was weird. He sounded like
he was talking weird, and I thought he sounded like
he was drunk. So He's like, why do you sound funny, Dad,

(01:24:51):
And he said, I just the anesthesias wearing off. I
just got off the operating table. I was like, what
I mean, you know, I didn't not know anything about
my father having an operation. Jeez, talk about being out
of touch here, you know. It was I was just

(01:25:14):
shocked and surprised that my father nobody told me. Of course,
he didn't like to talk about health. I don't know,
you know, we just were doing our thing, but it
would been nice that somebody would have given me a
clue about that. But my father apparently had injured his
back during the winter must so this was like spring.

(01:25:35):
He was having problems and I think they found that
he had like a chip off of his spine that
was getting into the nerves or something. Anyways, they decided
they needed to do an operation on his back, and
so again I knew nothing about this, but he got
off the operating table and he told the nurses that
he needed to make you know, he needed to call

(01:25:58):
his son. So they were trying to tell him, no,
you need to, you know, just rest, and he got
upset and he said he insisted that he get to
a phone. So they let him call me. And so
that's what was going on there, which was quite a
shock to me.

Speaker 4 (01:26:19):
I would imagine. So, I mean, I know that we're
going to be talking about some more premonitional stuff. Next time.
So I don't want to spoil anything, but is this
this the beginning of any experience like this? This powerful?
Whereas I mean, you're at home and you're not even,
as you said, the chances of you being there are

(01:26:40):
zero to nil. So yeah, that's pretty powerful. Actually, the
timing of all of that and I that to be
coincidental seems highly unlikely.

Speaker 3 (01:26:52):
Yeah, that's the interesting thing is you know, as I said,
I was feeling fine in the morning when I had
off to school. Everything was fine. I was doing my
normal thing, you know, just moving on. But as I
was sitting in the classroom, for some reason, I just
started to feel like I was going downhill and I
just feel like I was getting all the energy just

(01:27:15):
zapped right out of me.

Speaker 4 (01:27:16):
Maybe you were feeling what your father was feeling, you know,
being in the surgery.

Speaker 3 (01:27:21):
That's what I wondered. I'm like, was that some kind
of empathic type of thing or wasn't there was a
reason that I don't know. You know, this is very strange.
I've been pondering this for years, you know, like what
would make me feel like that and then make me
think I got to go home? Which you know, so

(01:27:42):
it was really very strange, like some higher force, something
bigger than me, was leading me to go home, to
be there at a specific time in order for me
to communicate with my father in some way. You know,

(01:28:03):
you got me, I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:28:03):
Know, and it would probably help you to be more
in touch. Maybe you were like, oh, maybe I need
to pay attention more to what's going on with my family.

Speaker 3 (01:28:12):
Yeah, well that's the thing is I. Like I say,
I was a kid who just kind of let things
for longest time. Eventually I started telling people the word no,
but it was never something easy for me to do.
And so I got all these personalities surrounding my life,
and roommates that were real pain in the rump and

(01:28:34):
neighbor kids that would show up all hours of the
day and night, coming in and out of the house,
and you know, things quickly were getting out of hand
for me. And I was supposed to be responsible for
trying to get everybody to get their rent and everything.
You know, somehow I end up being the supposed to

(01:28:54):
be the guy that's responsible for stuff. And so I
was stressed out, you know, as a first first time
out of the home and and dealing with that, and
then uh, you know, the neighborhood was a little bit
on the rough side. Not terrible, but uh there were
you know, times when I would be coming home and

(01:29:15):
there would be blood on the sidewalk and somebody go, oh, yeah, somebody,
you know, I got beaten here or the I ran
into some people at times, going hey, what side of
the road, where do you are you from here or there?
I'm like, I'm neutral, man, I'm just an artist kid.

Speaker 6 (01:29:30):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:29:31):
Well, don't get me in the middle of your stuff
going on in the neighborhood here. But you know, eventually
the neighborhood kids wanted to wrangle me into their they're
crazy stuff going on, you know. And so, you know,
things were definitely getting more complicated in my life, more
than I expected for an art student, you know. But

(01:29:53):
that's just the way things It was just happened to
be the the way things came about. There was no
room in the dorms, not that that would have been
a fun situation, and there was a shortage for housing,
and somehow I ended up in this neighborhood with these
kids and stuff for but you know, I was doing okay,
but I was not doing great by any means. So yeah,

(01:30:15):
I end up there, and so my dad and I
we have this bit of a conversation. You know. He
started repeating a lot of the stuff that I was
hearing in my head while I was floating around in
my room apparently, and so, you know, he definitely had
some visions of what was going on in my life

(01:30:39):
because he knew some things that I didn't tell him
or anybody else what was going on, you know, some
little things that were going on. But he was really
worried for me, is what he said. I'm worried about you.
You know. I'm like, I'm okay, Dad, I'm all right.
You know, I said, well, listen, you better get some
rest and you know, I'll I'll call you when you're

(01:31:02):
feeling better or something, and that, you know. But we
didn't talk all that, you know, not like people do
now with we can text people, we could call. We
got a phone in our pocket. And back then I
would talk to my dad every couple of weeks, you know,
or you know, he was sending me a little bit
of money to get buy I think I ate two

(01:31:23):
slices of pizza for two years for my dinner, you know.
Was you know, it's just a broke art student, and
you know, but I really I was the oldest kid,
and I didn't want to be a burden and you know,
bother my dad about my all my problems either. So
I tried to, you know, deal with my own issues.

(01:31:43):
But I told him I would talk to him later.
And but my mind was blown about what happened. The
whole thing was bizarre. I was that wait, I just
had some kind of out of the body experience and
had telepathically communicated with my father while he was on
operating table after coming home feeling ill from school. You know,

(01:32:05):
the whole thing was really mind blowing. And when my
roommates showed back up from school, they're like, whoa, what
are you doing home? You know, And I say, you
won't believe what happened to me. And I started to
tell them all what happened, and they all just looked
at me with this look on their family. They're like, hey,
what are you what are you on? You know, give

(01:32:26):
us some kind of thing, and I was. My feelings
were hurt, and I never said anything else to them again.
But I was so excited, and you know, my mind
was blown about it. I wanted to share it with somebody,
but there the reaction was not a very good one,
so I didn't say anything else to them.

Speaker 4 (01:32:45):
Well, that is a wild and really special connection, I
would say, and a very cool experience to have, really powerful.

Speaker 3 (01:32:55):
Yeah, you know, I should mention that my father, that
was his mother, that is the clairvoyant by the way.
So yeah, And so when I did finally get to
see my dad, he never like, he did not like
talking about strange things like this, even though maybe it's
because we've talked about this before, because my grandmother he

(01:33:16):
had to deal with all that. But when I did
see him, I said, Dad, something incredible happened. I said,
we were hundreds of miles away from each other and
we telepathically communicated with each other while you were on
an operating to And I said, what do you remember?
And so he told me. He opened up and he

(01:33:39):
told me, he goes, I remember seeing my entire life
flashing before me, and I saw each and every one
of my children before my eyes and what was going
on in their lives. And he, you know, basically said,
I see you hanging out with some wild kids, which

(01:33:59):
was true. You know, well, of course the crazy art
students and then all these crazy kids from the neighborhood
coming around. So he wasn't one hundred percent wrong about
that by any means. There was a lot of crazy.
It was just chaos going on in my life with
all these people and personalities, which you know, I like

(01:34:21):
things a little more chilled out, but I ended up
in this situation. But anyways, he acknowledged that he had
this experience and that he saw for whatever reason, like
watching a movie of every one of his children. Now
my father there were four of us children. Originally I

(01:34:41):
was the oldest child, and then he got remarried and
ended up with a couple more kids. So, you know,
he said he could see everything going on and they're
in our lives, and he was mostly concerned about me,
and so that, you know, least see I got him
to talk about it.

Speaker 4 (01:35:02):
Do you know if he coded at all during his
surgery or was this We don't We don't have information
like that, or he wouldn't have known such things, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:35:12):
That I wondered about that, you know. Only it's funny
how things go by. Years go by. Nobody talks to
me about it, you know, and I have to every
once in a while. I'll come back and start thinking,
and the more I learned, the more I've been learning
about the paranormal experiences and near death experiences and so forth,

(01:35:33):
and then it just adds more questions. I thought that.
I thought, Wow, I wonder if something happened while Dad
was on the operating table that may have put him
in that situation where which they never talked to me.
Nobody told me anything about that. But you know, my
stepmother's still around, but I don't know if I would

(01:35:55):
ever be able to get any information. I did bring
it up to her about when he had his operation.
I didn't ask her that specifically, but I'm thinking maybe
I might just ask her if there was any complications
during that surgery out of curiosity. But it is it

(01:36:17):
is interesting. You know. Something else that I should mention
is not long after that incident, I got mugged down
in the city, in downtown at the bus stop by
a gang of guys and ended up hospitalized with very

(01:36:40):
some pretty serious injuries. And ended up with ruptured kidneys
and bruce lungs and contusions and concussion, and my face
was beaten to a pulp, and I really I ended
up in the hospital for a few weeks and missed
out on a whole school over that. And actually, after

(01:37:03):
all that happened, somewhere along the line, I ended up
moving from their no offense Pittsburgh. I mean, I was
in the wrong place at the wrong time. But and
some wonderful person picked me up out of the street
and put me in their vehicle. Total stranger, and thank goodness,
they took me to get help. But I so there

(01:37:24):
are good people out there. But my father's warning was
there was a good reason that he was trying to
warm me about something, and I made a mistake of
I was invited to go to a party from a
girl from class, and of course none of us had
a car. And I met some other boys downtown after

(01:37:45):
taking the bus and they're like, oh, I don't worry.
I'm like, well, I got to make sure I'm going
to get home on time, you know. And they're like, oh,
don't worry, somebody, we'll get your ride, you know kind
of thing. Well, I ended up downtown waiting for the bus,
which probably stopped running at that point, I don't know,
but I could see some commotion going on down the
street and the next thing I know, this gang just

(01:38:07):
kind of ran up on me and just started beating
the crap out of me and had me in the
streets and I actually fought for my life. I got
hit by adrenaline rush, realizing I was going to die there,
and I you know, got up and was trying to
defend myself and trying to get into a more lit
area of the street. But nobody would stop. Nobody would

(01:38:30):
help me. I don't blame them, but you know, I
was begging, screaming for help, you know, And you know,
the next thing I know, I was just laying there bleeding. Yeah.
It was bad.

Speaker 4 (01:38:43):
Yeah, that's no good. That is when it's time to go. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:38:48):
Well, you know, I had a couple other close calls,
and so that's why my dad, you know, I said
it was, you know, I had just the young kid
and the wrong places the time or whatever, but ended
up being he had reasons to be worried about me.

Speaker 4 (01:39:06):
I guess I would say so. Absolutely well, Barry. That
concludes this list for our part two, So I look
forward to hearing all the details for this list that
I have for part three. So thanks again for coming
on and I look forward to the next time.

Speaker 3 (01:39:25):
Thank you so much, Shannon. I really enjoyed myself. It's
great talking to you. Well, I'm so so.

Speaker 7 (01:39:33):
I was given this name by my parents, my business,
I was out of college. I've done these things as
my profession, my producing at the box. But it says, forget, that's.

Speaker 6 (01:39:45):
Something their story, that's all gone.

Speaker 5 (01:39:47):
That's all a possible.

Speaker 3 (01:39:48):
I want to see the melia.

Speaker 6 (01:39:52):
When nobody knows who that is is, because we don't
know except for listening to out it and consulting on memis.

Speaker 7 (01:40:04):
But that that's a really and that again leads as
fact to this question.

Speaker 4 (01:40:09):
Who are you?

Speaker 3 (01:40:11):
That is the meaning.

Speaker 6 (01:40:14):
We shall see how they play with the success.

Speaker 7 (01:40:17):
We'll buy the cops to get you to come out
of your show and find.

Speaker 8 (01:40:23):
Out be very old stass puts puts its.

Speaker 5 (01:41:37):
Puss Puss, for example, are quite divided on us.

Speaker 7 (01:42:18):
They will say, no, we don't believe literally in reincarnation
that after your funeralgo you will sadly become suddenly different.

Speaker 3 (01:42:28):
There being somewhere else.

Speaker 7 (01:42:31):
They will say, reincarnation means this that if you sitting
here now are really convinced that you're the same person
a folding at the.

Speaker 8 (01:42:39):
Door half an hour ago, you'll be incarnated.

Speaker 7 (01:42:43):
If you are liberating your plans now that you're not.

Speaker 6 (01:42:47):
The past hasn't been at.

Speaker 8 (01:42:50):
The future hasn't bexistence. There is only the present. That's
the only amenia.

Speaker 3 (01:42:55):
That is the send master. Don't get a place.

Speaker 7 (01:42:59):
String does not become sounds.

Speaker 3 (01:43:05):
Because there is something an springs.

Speaker 8 (01:44:01):
Its puss puss puss puts passsssss.

Speaker 3 (01:45:00):
Said.

Speaker 6 (01:45:00):
Has the same idea in pods where he says, when
you settled down in the train to read your newspaper, and.

Speaker 7 (01:45:08):
So you were not the same person.

Speaker 3 (01:45:12):
At a while ago and living the plan.

Speaker 7 (01:45:15):
If you think you are, you are linking your movements
up in the change. And this is what binds we
were when you know that every moment of which you
are is the only moment. This comes intosa and the
Master will say to somebody, I can have a walk
across the room and it can be back, and he says,

(01:45:37):
where are your foot?

Speaker 3 (01:45:40):
They've gone?

Speaker 7 (01:45:42):
So where are you?

Speaker 3 (01:45:43):
Who are you?

Speaker 7 (01:45:45):
When we are asked who we are, we usually give
a kind of recitation of an instrums in

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