iNTO THE FRAY 518: The Beckoning

Bryan shares experiences from both Alabama and Florida. These include strange instances of sleepwalking, UFO sightings, paranormal encounters, and the strong pull to venture alone into the woods.

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Speaker 3 (02:17):
On this episode of Into the Fray, I welcome Brian
on with me. He sent me, as I like to say,
and I say this for a reason, a lovely bullet
point list and it helps jog memories, and you know it,
sometimes timelines get a little tighter and cleaner, and things
come to mind as people are making these, and it

(02:39):
makes me a beautiful map of where the conversation will
be going. So thanks for doing that, Brian, and welcome
on the show.

Speaker 4 (02:46):
Thank you so much. Shannon. And uh, you know, I
appreciate bullet points and bullet lists kind of the way
my my brain works. So yeah, absolutely, And I'm.

Speaker 3 (03:00):
I know that we are going to start when you
are younger, and if you need to set up where
you know where we need to go before you officially start.
Some of these strange experiences when you were a child,
any family history, anything that you think is pertinent, you
can go right ahead.

Speaker 4 (03:18):
Awesome, thank you, Shannon, and so yeah, so as a child, Uh,
most of these take place and in West Alabama. Uh,
there's a couple of them. There's one of them in
particular that takes place in and outside of London. That
was more of a paranormal happened later after I got

(03:40):
back home. But yeah, so most of the stuff as
a kid takes place in West Alabama, and then as
I got as I get older and stuff, I'll give
the the other location or region regions of the country.
Just a couple of quick things I remember as a kid,

(04:03):
you know, just kind of growing up, my sleepwalking a lot.
I don't know what this has to do with anymore
as an adult, but as a kid, I just remember
sometimes stories of my mom or my dad will tell
me that they saw me walking around the den, you know,
supposedly sound asleep. I have a vivid memory of one

(04:24):
night waking up in the middle of the front yard
just kind of looking up at something. I don't know
what it was, but just kind of looking up and
then wondering what am I doing in the front yard.
And I walked back up in the front door and
went back to bed. Like about two nights later or
two days later, two of my friends were walking around

(04:46):
the block and we were talking and to this day,
I still think they were just kidding around with me,
but they swore they saw like some type of UFO
near my house that night, the same night that I
was like, I woke up in the middle of the
front yard, which is always just kind of to me
but never really put two and two together. But yeah,
I was a huge sleepwalker. My friend's parents would have

(05:07):
to put baby gates up in their house to make
sure I didn't walk down the stairs and hurt myself.
Which it's just one of the weird late nights I
would find myself trying to walk around the block at night,
even as a kid sneaking out of a house. As
a teenager, it's one thing, but not as a ten

(05:27):
year old boy growing up in a yeah, in kind
of a country town that is kind of on the
weird side.

Speaker 3 (05:35):
What you and your friends had you guys prior to
them saying, oh, Brian, we saw a craft near your house.
Was that a thing that you guys talked about? Was
UFOs or are you into that kind of stuff?

Speaker 4 (05:47):
I was. I've always been into UFO, science fiction, that
kind of stuff. But as like, no, no, those two friends, No,
we never really talked about it. So it was definitely
that they pointed that out, honestly, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (06:03):
Because when you mentioned that in your bullet point list,
you know, you say, well, maybe they were they were
just fooling about with me. Uh, but if you guys
hadn't really brought that up much, then maybe they really
did see that.

Speaker 4 (06:17):
Yeah, and they you know, I mean talking, you know,
talking it out out loud. Yeah, they may have. One
of my other friends, Yeah, he and I watch Doctor
Who every week. But that one who told me this,
This was just two other friends and they were like, yeah,
we saw this big flying saucer like over your house. Man.

(06:38):
It was really weird and scared us. And I was like,
holy crap.

Speaker 3 (06:44):
Yeah, the sleepwalking thing, really, I mean, that's a huge
trope that goes along with abductions and UFO sightings and heck,
even in Dark Skies, the Father has a whole scene
where he's standing out in the yard, right, and that's
a horrifying scene.

Speaker 5 (07:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:02):
So you you were out in the yard and you
just came to yourself. Nobody came out to get you.

Speaker 4 (07:11):
No, No, I just kind of came to and was like,
what am I doing on the front yard?

Speaker 3 (07:18):
Do you have any sense of when you went to
bed to when you came to in the yard, about
how much time had passed. I know it was just
a long time ago and everything, But do you do
you remember having a sense of how long?

Speaker 4 (07:30):
No, uh, probably went to bed around like nine thirty
ten o'clock at night, and this would have been probably
waking up at like three o'clock in the morning.

Speaker 3 (07:41):
Did you find that things would happen around and not
to jump ahead to other stories if this includes it
for an how it can just be a yes or
a no. But you did you find that things would
happen around three o'clock in the morning?

Speaker 5 (07:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (07:54):
Yeah, I mean yeah, and there were and I remember
there were like circular spots in the front yard where
nothing ever grew. Really yeah, I mean I remember taking pictures,
but I could go back to mom and Dad's house
right now and point out these two or three little

(08:15):
patches in the front yard that are always dry spots,
so to speak?

Speaker 3 (08:21):
Was that you know, because some people, I mean, anyone
that has grass you try to take care of it,
and it's a point of pride for some people more
than others. But do you recall your parents ever going gosh,
Why won't things just grow right there? Or your dad
trying to put extra miracle grow or whatever? You know, Yeah, I.

Speaker 4 (08:40):
Mean not yeah, I mean he wasn't like, he wasn't
religious about the yard, but it was like, let me
throw some mirror. He would. I know that you definitely
put miracle grow out there occasionally, and just like grass seed,
just see what happens.

Speaker 3 (08:53):
What about neighbor's lawns? Did they have similar markings at all?
Do you remember?

Speaker 4 (08:59):
I don't think so, not that I can recall. Interesting
m hmm, yeah, and it was and grow. I remember
my dad giving me the book Chariot of the Gods
that he had bought like when it first came out,
and he just thought that was such a cool book.
And I'm like, you know, ten eleven years old when

(09:21):
I started when he showed it to him, I thought
it was really cool.

Speaker 3 (09:25):
Did you start to read that? Did it? Jog any
weird memories? Because I'm assuming that when we're talking about
you as a child sleepwalking, what age are we talking
about when the sleepwalking was at its peak?

Speaker 4 (09:42):
Oh? Probably likes anywhere from what I can recall, a
beeple from like seven to twelve.

Speaker 3 (09:49):
Okay, So then when you got that Chariot of the
Gods book, did you actually do you remember reading it
and anything striking you.

Speaker 4 (09:57):
Nothing, only striking me o than just kind of just
reading it.

Speaker 5 (10:02):
You know.

Speaker 3 (10:03):
It's interesting.

Speaker 4 (10:04):
Yeah, yeah, it's an interesting. Wow, this is pretty cool. So,
you know, because I was always into mythology, you know,
as a kid, I remember loving the Greek and the
Roman mythology and went for the Norse gods and stuff. So,
you know, reading it kind of from that lens, I
thought was really cool and.

Speaker 3 (10:23):
Cool that your dad gave you that. That's cool dad
right there.

Speaker 4 (10:25):
Oh yeah, yeah, thank you, I think.

Speaker 3 (10:27):
So, yeah, it really.

Speaker 4 (10:31):
Yeah, yeah, I mean he and I were the ones
who would He was my Star Trek and Star Wars
watching partner, you know, taking this. You know, he would
take me and my friends to all the Star Wars movies,
Star Trek movies, you know, all the good eighties action
movies and everything.

Speaker 3 (10:50):
Was the start of putting up the baby gates after
you did you tell them that you ended up in
the lawn to where they go, oh, well, gosh, we
don't want you wandering out the front door and around
the neighborhood.

Speaker 4 (11:02):
Brian, Yeah, probably so probably so after that experience, I
think it was when my mom or my dad would
be one to just make sure to keep an eye out.

Speaker 3 (11:15):
Yeah, I would imagine Michelle.

Speaker 4 (11:19):
Yeah, I'm sure roaming the hall.

Speaker 3 (11:22):
I mean, would you yeah, would you get up and
sick because some people they sleep eat, which I'm sure
a lot of us would love to blame a certain
weight gains on. You know, we're like, I'm a.

Speaker 4 (11:32):
Sleep eat Yeah, that would definitely mean now.

Speaker 3 (11:38):
So you would, Yeah, amen to that. I'm like, that's
what I do. I sleepy. But if you I mean,
if this what is it?

Speaker 5 (11:46):
Hat?

Speaker 3 (11:46):
Okay, this is where I'm going. Did it have a
peek or was it just between seven and twelve? It
was just once a week or was it oh my gosh,
Brian is moving about the house every single night, so
baby gate and then you were kind of according to
your to your room.

Speaker 5 (12:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (12:07):
No, it was just probably like once a week, once
every couple of weeks. Uh, they would just notice, hey,
come here, let's turn you back around kind of a thing.

Speaker 5 (12:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (12:19):
But uh, there were a couple of friends who I
would spend weekends with in town, you know. But they
had a really nice three story house in the middle
of the in the middle of nowhere, like they lived
on like probably fifteen acres and so this was in
the country. Yeah, they had those wrought iron stairs, like

(12:41):
a wrought iron staircase that went down to the basement.
And so yeah, they were the ones that were like, no,
we're going to put this baby gate up. We are
not going to wake up to him falling down the stairs.
You know.

Speaker 3 (12:54):
So it didn't matter where you were, you tended to
do it. And I'm sorry to hammer so much on
this this one mine, but and it could just be
everyone's going, my goodness is camping on the sleepwalking. But
it might come in handy later to have some of
this information.

Speaker 4 (13:11):
So just.

Speaker 3 (13:13):
We'll see where my process goes.

Speaker 4 (13:15):
But yeah, yeah, oh you're good, You're good. So moving on.
I remember one night, probably in that seven to ten
year old range, about six. Actually, my dad was a
corel music teacher, taught core music in high school, and
my my mother was an English teacher. But so I

(13:38):
grew up, you know, hanging out with them at especially
with my dad, because you know, as a choir teacher,
you tend to spend a lot of time, you know,
in school, you know, after hours and rehearsals and stuff,
and so the high school was kind of like one
of my play one of my many playgrounds as a kid, never,

(13:59):
you know, and I would run the halls at night.
Of course, now if any of my former teachers are
hearing this, hey, sorry about that. But yeah, so he
would be having a rehearsal or whatever. When I was
a kid, and I think I mentioned earlier, I could
not be at home by myself. It was a phobia
as a child. I've grown out of that, but as

(14:23):
a child, I just hated being home by myself. It
was completely irrational. Nothing that I can recall ever happened.
But so he would let me. So he would always
bring me to school with him whenever he was doing
you know, rehearsals, you know, after hours and late at
night or whatever. And I remember vividly, you know, just

(14:45):
roaming the halls at my hospit at their school, and
I just remember seeing something. I was just kind of
walking down towards the end of the school, down one
of the hallways, and I remember seeing something that looked
like an evil say Claus, not like a you know,
and it wasn't like a door decoration. I mean, it
was like a legit figure that looked I would describe

(15:08):
it as an evil Santa Clause even. Yeah, and I
flipped out and hauled ass all the way back up.
And I think I probably told my dad when I saw,
and he was like, all right, well, just stay up here.
Santa is not roaming the halls. You're fine, but just
stay up here and don't go roam in the halls.
Even to this day, I still remember that as a

(15:33):
scare the crap out of me.

Speaker 3 (15:35):
I mean, you're not the only one to see Santa.
I've had other folks on not many, but that have
seen Santa. It's not always in a bad light, but
I seem to recall somebody that had a untowards sighting
where they thought, what in the actual heck is this thing?

(15:56):
You know? And it makes you wonder, yeah, if it's
just something parading as something else, of course, and doing
a poor job of it, because usually Santa is supposed
to be rosy cheeked and smiling, and you're happy to
see Santa Claus exactly. So this this one isn't good.

Speaker 4 (16:15):
No no, And that was a note that was a no,
open out of here. I didn't and I would. I
had never heard of Crampus. I mean I was like
six years old. You know, Mom and dad didn't read
Crampus to me at six, so I didn't think that
was it.

Speaker 3 (16:30):
I forget the movie or oh, I do you remember
that Santa Claus that he was with the axe and
he was horrible looking. That's what made me think of it.

Speaker 4 (16:43):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, See.

Speaker 3 (16:45):
I like that people include the one offs because sometimes
the one offs who knows what they are, but they
might jog other people's memories and sometimes it can tie
in with other people listening in and they're like, oh
did you think about this? Did you think about that?
So I appreciate you including that of course.

Speaker 4 (17:05):
Of course, so growing up and this probably explains some
of me as well. So there is so there's a
cemetery right next to my neighborhood growing up, and I
was never afraid of the cemetery. It was never a
place that freaked me out. My dad and that Dad

(17:25):
would always take me out and we'd go out there
to go stargazing. He always had telescopes. He always had telescopes,
and so we would always go out there and look
at the stars, look at Saturn, Jupiter, you know, all
the planets that we could see that and it was peaceful,
you know, and even my dad would say, well, Son
said nothing. He said, ghosts aren't going to mess with

(17:46):
you in the cemetery, said they're sleeping. You're good, okay,
except except this one night, me and a couple of
buddies of mine. I'm probably fifteen sixteen, and so me
and a couple of buddies minor out there just kind
of you know, looking at stars, talking, you know, kind
of looking at some of the statues, because there are
some pretty cool statues in the cemetery. And so we're

(18:09):
just kind of, you know, goofing, not goofing around, just
kind of talking and that kind of stuff. And I
look up and right next to the pathway that we're
not the road, but you know, the kind of the
path that that you can drive on in the cemetery.
Right next to that, between that and a headstone is

(18:30):
a door shaped portal. It was just a black, solid
black portal that was in the shape of a door.
And all I and I and all I can say
was hey, hey, uh guys, look there, look look at
the door. There's a door. Pointed it out and me
and one of my buddies were like, no, we're out

(18:52):
of here. Come on, let's let's go.

Speaker 6 (18:54):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (18:54):
My other friend he decided that he thought it'd be
really cool to check it out and see where it went.
I reached, I ran up and grabbed him by the
back of the shirt, by the collar, and we noped
out of there so quickly popped in his car and
we were back in my house for like five minutes.
It was. It was weird. To this day. I still
don't know what it was, but it was. It was

(19:18):
darker than everything around, you know, and it was that
pitch black, tall rectangular portal. Looking back, it looked kind
of like the Monolith from two thousand and one.

Speaker 3 (19:33):
How far away was it?

Speaker 4 (19:37):
It was like, I mean, it was on the ground,
probably a good twenty yards.

Speaker 3 (19:45):
It was pretty close. I could see the other So
the other two, all of you saw. The other two
just noped out immediately.

Speaker 4 (19:53):
No, I saw it. All of us saw it. Myself
and my friend Jeremy, we noped out.

Speaker 3 (19:58):
Yeah. And but the first two they they weren't trying
to go see or not. They just they were like
bye bye. And then so Fiera, Me's the one that's like,
let's go to another dimension. And you're like, uh huh.

Speaker 4 (20:10):
Yeah, uh huh, Nope, nope, nope, not on my watch.
I know your mama and she's gonna kill me, So no,
let's go.

Speaker 3 (20:19):
So it was still there when you guys left.

Speaker 4 (20:22):
Oh yeah, oh absolutely, it wasn't moving.

Speaker 3 (20:26):
And then you guys are stargazing, so it's not like
you got to watch it either pop into existence or
fade into existence. It's like you looked up and you
noticed it was there.

Speaker 4 (20:36):
Yeah. Yeah, absolutely, that's a weird one.

Speaker 3 (20:40):
I like that one.

Speaker 4 (20:42):
Yeah, that one was bizarre.

Speaker 3 (20:44):
I would love to see that. But I would also
not try to go stick a hand in it or anything.

Speaker 4 (20:49):
No, no, no, no, me neither. I was like, nah,
that's really cool. Part of me was like this is
scaring the heck out of me. Another part of me
was like, Okay, this is cool. I'm not going to
go in it, but I ain't gonna look at it
for a minute.

Speaker 3 (21:02):
Did you guys discuss it the next day or any
time afterward?

Speaker 4 (21:08):
No, No, we were like did that really just happen?
Only I think I remember like the next day it
was like, hey, did you see what I think? You saw.
Did that really just happen? And they're like, yeah, but
we're not gonna speak of it ever again. It's like
fight Club.

Speaker 3 (21:25):
I was definitely like fight club. Yeah, but at least
everyone saw it. You know, if you were alone and
seeing that, that would it sucks. It sucks to be
the only one.

Speaker 4 (21:38):
Yeah, but no, all three of us saw it, and
we're like, yeah, that's yeah, we're not going to talk
with this again.

Speaker 3 (21:44):
But yeah, did you ever go back into that graveyard
in order to stargaze?

Speaker 4 (21:53):
Oh? Yeah, oh absolutely. That didn't stop me from doing it.
Oh yeah, sure did. In fact, my dad is My
dad's buried out there, so I definitely am return to
that cemetery.

Speaker 3 (22:02):
Yeah, I'm sorry to hear that, by way.

Speaker 4 (22:05):
Oh thanks, And I've got some fool stories about them too,
so that's good.

Speaker 3 (22:10):
Yeah, I did see some on the list. Uh do
you have you ever come across anything online or ever
heard whispers of things going on in that graveyard?

Speaker 4 (22:21):
No, but I haven't really looked into it. I will though.
I will definitely start doing that because that will be interesting.

Speaker 3 (22:30):
Well yeah, let's jump to the beach in Panama City.

Speaker 4 (22:33):
Oh yeah, so this was fun. So yeah, so, you know,
where I grew up in West Alabama, everybody goes to
Panama City or Gulf Shores, you know, and we'd always
go to Panama City. And uh so, so one night,
me and some friends. So one night, we're out there
with some buddies and some friends and we're just kind

(22:56):
of hanging out of the beach, you know, hanging out
on the beach, and we look up and we see
what I thought was lightning at first, you know how
like whenever you're on the beach and you're watching the
storm way off on the horizon, That's what I thought
it was at first. But we're all just kinda sitting
down on the beach, chilling out, having a good tib

(23:17):
and so my girlfriend at the time, she and I
were like looking at this and it was like this
big orange flash of light and she's like, I'm gonna
flash my you know, these big flashlights at it, and
so we did, and it flashed back, and we're all like, uh,
that's cool. What So she flashed So she flashed her

(23:41):
flashlight again and like twice, and it repeated twice. So
I'm going full on close encounters with the third kind,
you know, let's let's start playing some music out there.
But yeah, so we did that and it matched it
like two different times, like communicating with it. Then I

(24:03):
guess they had to go. I don't know, I guess like,
all right, time to go, and they and the lights
are shot straight up out of out of sight.

Speaker 3 (24:12):
Not howd any of those folks had a UFO encounter
of any kind? Or were you the only one before this?

Speaker 4 (24:22):
My girlfriend at the time had seen lights in the
sky before, but nothing, nothing like that.

Speaker 3 (24:27):
No, So this next section, it seems like things really
ramp up and take a turn and something really takes
notice of you and your family. So, uh, this seems
like a like a big, big portion here, Okay.

Speaker 4 (24:46):
Yeah, yeah, and I've noticed that. It was just like
there was like because you know, in college, nothing only ever, Yeah,
from like ninety two to two thousand and six, there
was nothing really that I can remember. And so yeah,
So in two thousand and six, we're living in Panama
City and or just north of Panama City, and I

(25:10):
have a he's probably one, I think, maybe two at
the time, but he and I are just sitting in
the den rolling the ball to each other. He is
about two at this time. And we're rolling a ball
to each other and just kind of you know how
father and son kind of play with the ball and stuff.
And we're sitting there and my back is to the

(25:32):
front door, and so he's facing the front door. Our
dog at the time is just kind of hanging out
with us in the den and we're just playing around
like that, and all of a sudden, he goes from
being a cool, chilling out two year old into a
full blown what is this dad moment? Full blown panic.

(25:56):
He just starts saying, lights, Daddy, look look at the lights.
Look look at the lights, and not like hey Dad,
that's cool, but uh, Dad, there's like scary lights out
there behind you, and uh pointing and pointing directly behind me.
Our dog at the time, like I said, was sitting
next to me and him kind of you know, freaking out. Okay, Sean,

(26:17):
I'll dude, I'll turn around. Just hang on a minute.
That part was like, okay, well you're also too, you know,
maybe it's a car because we lived in the cold deside,
maybe it's a car driving by and the lights are reflecting.
I want't shirt. Except our dog at the time started
growling and barking at something in that direction, and that's when,

(26:43):
you know, the hair on the back of my neck
started standing straight up. I got that cold shiver down
my spine. I thought for sure, if I turned around,
I would see either a UFO or the library or
the ghost librarian from Ghostbusters something. But when I you know,
kind of like Hollywood movie style, when you turn slowly

(27:04):
around but there's nothing, absolutely nothing, but they're still freaking out.
And so that's when I was like, all right, I'm
on it. I got to do something. So I just
said out loud, Hey, whatever's here, whoever's here, show yourself,
let me see you, you know, show me a sign
of your presence, show me what's going on. And a

(27:29):
shadow darted darted from wherever they were. A shadow figure
just hauled it guarded towards the other end of the house.

Speaker 3 (27:39):
And then it also says here that you guys, that
wasn't the end of it, though, because it sounds like
for years afterward you would see the shadow figure and
then you guys had items go missing.

Speaker 4 (27:52):
Yeah. Yes, So that's the only time I can ever
remember having sleep paralysis ever within that house. And I
don't recommend sleep paralysis for anybody at all. But yeah,
so we would have we would get up and I
would see this same shadow figure move into the you know,

(28:16):
go from one room to the next. I remember this
one night when I had I woke up with sleep
paralysis around three o'clock in the morning. There was this
what I call the old Hag figure I've heard other
people talk about, yeah, standing next to me, and I
just started praying and praying and praying the Lord's Prayer

(28:40):
over and over and over, and she finally went away.
But yeah, so a lot of shadow figure, I said,
the old Hag sleep paralysis. And then we like my
keys would go missing. You know, I knew exactly where
I put the keys every time, and they would go missing.

(29:00):
So some death and then it got to me where
you know, we would say, hey, whoever you are, I
need my keys because I gotta go to work, you know,
and they would show up.

Speaker 3 (29:12):
Where would they show back up?

Speaker 4 (29:15):
Usually somewhere else in the house.

Speaker 3 (29:19):
Like some are silly that you you never put them?

Speaker 4 (29:22):
Yeah, no, like in the fridge on top of the.

Speaker 5 (29:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (29:28):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (29:30):
Yeah, it's like, whoever you are, stop, all right, just stop.
But it never did. And then so we finally were
like after like five years. I mean, and we we
were like, no, we're out, we're done. But it was
never a poultry I mean other than those couple of

(29:51):
like all right, sleep paralysis is bad, but it was
never like poultry gust type stuff. You know. Nothing ever
was like throwing a float thrown across the room or anything.
There were footsteps that we would hear knocking occasionally. I
swear a couple of times I would see a face
in the mirror in the bathroom.

Speaker 3 (30:11):
Like next to your face or do something like that.

Speaker 4 (30:17):
Yeah, like either next to it or above it or something.

Speaker 3 (30:20):
Brian, you know you're not supposed to do bloody Mary
in the bathroom.

Speaker 5 (30:23):
You know.

Speaker 3 (30:26):
It really works, No, it really though. That's that is
that's not fun at all. Did your did your son
ever sleepwalk? Did he have sleep paralysis?

Speaker 4 (30:40):
Sleep paralysis? I don't think so he did sleepwalking. I
did catch him sleepwalking a couple of times.

Speaker 3 (30:47):
So I bet in your head you're going, uh, oh,
I know about this. Did you did you start to
say we need to put baby gates up and did
it freaking out?

Speaker 4 (30:57):
Yeah? Yeah, it kind of started getting me going Nope, nope, nope,
we're not We're not doing this. Yeah, I bet Nope, Yeah,
because I said I followed the UFO stuff for a
while and yeah, and I've I've read about families that
deal with that, and I'm like, no, I don't. I
don't want that to be me.

Speaker 3 (31:17):
So can you describe this shadow figure to the best
of your ability?

Speaker 4 (31:24):
Uh? Yeah, just tall. It was like a tall, black,
wispy type shadow. Yeah, I mean it was just kind
of like a black miss. A couple of times it's
been a black miss. The one time that I'm thinking
of a particular it was a person size, two legged shadow.
I didn't see legs, but just that that style, like

(31:48):
a light black miss, just going right down the hall.

Speaker 3 (31:55):
And it would always look the same each time you
would see it.

Speaker 4 (31:58):
Mum huh. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (32:00):
Was it usually out of the corner of your eye
type of a thing?

Speaker 4 (32:03):
Though most of the time it was. Most of the
time it was a couple of times I saw something
head on, just like straight on going out the front
door to the Yeah.

Speaker 3 (32:20):
Really sorry, most of the time it was Yeah, it
all ties in. I'm just kidding. So okay, So were
you the only one that could see the shadow figure?
Who else in the house would see this?

Speaker 4 (32:36):
Oh, my son did too. And the dog.

Speaker 3 (32:40):
Yeah, the dog reacting is a big part of it.
And I would like to touch on the dog a
little bit. So the dog during the initial it seems
inception of all of this with your son being terrified
out of just nowhere when you guys are just playing,
and then the dog reacting to it is big. You

(33:02):
can't just discount all that stuff and say that that
is a coincidence. So because then it kicks off all
this activity. How many other times or are there certain
rooms the dog won't go in? Other times the dog
is growling at the wall or a corner or anything
like that.

Speaker 4 (33:21):
Looking back, probably the guest room. Yeah, the guest room.
The dogs really didn't like going. I wasn't a huge
fan of the guest room, but for some but you know,
it's the guest room. You got to use it for stuff.
But yeah, the dogs would never really want to go
in the guest room ever. Now and then they would
just start barking or growling it at a spot at

(33:44):
one spot in the den, and at first we thought, well,
there's probably I hate to say a mouse in the wall,
but it's probably something like that. No, So yeah, there
are definitely some spots like that. I would feel a
cold spot the closet every now and then in the bedroom.

Speaker 3 (34:04):
Prior to this inception incident we'll call it, did you
already have a weird feeling about the guest room or
the den.

Speaker 4 (34:13):
The then No, the guest room. Yeah, the guest room
always felt a little heavy.

Speaker 3 (34:18):
So maybe it was always just there. Maybe that wasn't
the inception event. Maybe that was just it came. It
came to be more powerful or more noticeable for some reason,
and then it just felt like it had to show
itself to your son that which is horrible by the way.

Speaker 4 (34:38):
Yeah. Yeah, And I've always heard that kids can set
stuff off, you know, not not intentionally, but just having
a kid, especially in a house like that, can kind
of set stuff off, so to speak.

Speaker 3 (34:52):
Yeah. Well, and and things seemed to be quite attracted
to them in the way that their their brains are
just a little bit more malleable and open to things.
Just like when you were younger, you were having quite
a bit of strange things going down. Did your son
so he didn't have any sleep paralysis that you know,
but did he seem freaked out in the house after that?

Speaker 5 (35:13):
I know?

Speaker 3 (35:14):
He's very young, so he you know, as time goes on,
he would have just forgotten that. But were there ongoing
things with your son where he was uncomfortable.

Speaker 4 (35:23):
Not that I can remember, M Wells.

Speaker 3 (35:27):
So it was just that kind of one and done
for him at least.

Speaker 4 (35:30):
M Yes, that's good. Yeah, he's pretty resilient.

Speaker 3 (35:38):
Yeah, kids definitely are, thank goodness. You know, for the
most part, kids are pretty dang good at bouncing back
and just in the gray matter, out of the gray matter,
you know, exactly for the most part, not for all things,
of course. That's that's that is not a blanket statement
in any way, shape or form. So you would have

(36:01):
sleep paralysis in this house? How many times did that happen?
And how many times did you see the shadow figure?

Speaker 4 (36:09):
I probably saw that shadow figure off and on about
seven or eight times in the three Yeah, yeah, I
remember sleep paralysis once, maybe twice, but definitely once.

Speaker 3 (36:27):
Did you have any and I'm sure it would be
in your list, I suppose, But did you see any
UFOs or any activity like that while you were in
that house?

Speaker 4 (36:41):
No, not that I remember, not in that house. None.

Speaker 3 (36:48):
All right, So let's move to twenty sixteen. It's another
event that occurs while you're stargazing.

Speaker 4 (36:56):
Yeah, this was cool. So, yeah, we're we move out
to the country. After we leave the house, and come
to find out, about a week after we move out,
one of my one of my neighbors tells me, oh, yeah,
did they not tell you that the lady who used
to own the house died in the house? A great
Now we okay.

Speaker 3 (37:17):
You're like, aren't they supposed to tell us that before
we move in?

Speaker 4 (37:22):
Yeah? Right, so yeah, good to know. But yes, So
we moved way out of the country and absolutely loving it.
Loving it out there. It's great, you know, it's you know,
my son's my son finds some you know, meet some
good friends where he plays outside way more than he

(37:43):
than he plays video games. He and his buddies are outside,
you know, almost twenty four to seven when they can.
So that's always that, you know, that's great. I'm thrilled
about that. But one night I'm just outside. I left
the dogs out, I was bringing them back inside and
I was a star game. I was looking up this,
you know, the stars in the sky, and I just

(38:04):
look up and I see this this light. It was
a maybe a little bit brighter than Venus. It wasn't venus,
but it was about that brightness and it's it's holling.
I mean, it is moving fast across the sky distance wise,
I'm thinking twenty thousand feet. Maybe I can't see a shape.

(38:26):
I'll just see this bright light and it's moving pretty
fast and then solid light, not blinking. It's going from
the west to the east, and then it makes a
ninety degree turn to the left. It doesn't slow down,
it doesn't stop because I'm thinking it's probably just a
satellite or something maybe, but it was like it can't

(38:51):
be an airplane because there's no flashing lights on it.
But then it just does this ninety degree hard left
turn without slow down at all, and it basically what
I say, it hits warp speed. I mean, it just
goes exponentially fast after that, like out of sight. Yeah.
And then within a couple of minutes there was another

(39:14):
light that came right behind it, but it looked like
it would have been a satellite, and it faded out
that it came back in and it faded back out again.
And I was talking to a friend of mine about it,
and he and he had suggested and I agree it
was probably the International Space Station or a satellite, So
that one I could definitely write off of. That's an

(39:36):
identified explained object. But that first one, I have no
clue what it was because I'm thinking, if you're moving
that fast, you know, around twenty third, because it was
lower than what airplanes are normally at and it just
but I mean it turned hard left without slowing down.
I think that that's not No, that's not normal. And

(40:00):
they could it could have been a tic tac. I
don't know.

Speaker 3 (40:04):
Yeah, that's when you start thinking if there is a
human body in there, it's ripped to absolute shreds.

Speaker 4 (40:09):
You know, it's jello. I mean, yeah, yeah, that one
was that that was really cool and it was incredibly
cool because yeah, that was in Panama City. And granted,
you know, I mean, I know we have and I'm
used to hearing and this isn't There's tender Air Force
baces in Panama City, so I'm used to fighter jets.

(40:32):
I'm used to cargo jets and military aircraft flying all
hours of the day and night, and they're loud, you
can hear them coming, and when they leave, there was
no sound. It was nothing. That was was really cool.
But it was also like, all right, that that's you're
you're not gonna land. That's good, but keep on going straight,

(40:55):
just keep on going.

Speaker 3 (40:56):
Yeah, you may not want to call that one in,
you know, whatever is a board there.

Speaker 4 (41:03):
Yeah, yeah, I'm not I'm not going to pull a
I forgot the guy's name. Now that does the I'm
not gonna pull a Jack Barbera and try to call
you down.

Speaker 3 (41:12):
Yeah, keep going, Yeah, you go on home now.

Speaker 4 (41:17):
Mm hmm. Yeah really and uh yeah, and so then
moving on into uh So, the next year, we moved
from from Panama City to where we are now in Tallahassee.
So we're living kind of in the country, and so
we now have a we now have a new German
shepherd named Luna. We're walking and we're still living in

(41:38):
the country, kind of in the woods in a woodsy area,
and I'm just kind of walking her up the road
and something large, I'm assuming a deer. That's what I've
just constantly told myself ran right behind us, like we
passed by, like we pat you know, as we were
walking straight, this thing just as soon as we passed with,

(42:03):
you know it, ran. I could feel the wind from
it on my back as it ran in the woods.
I'm assuming it was a deer. That's what I'm telling myself.

Speaker 3 (42:16):
Yeah, some of those things can sound pretty loud, but
you know, if you if you feel like it was
on two legs, and maybe it was something else.

Speaker 4 (42:26):
Maybe maybe, But a couple of nights later, Luma and
I are going down the same path and and this
is where I'm thinking maybe because I've heard stories, I've
heard people on your show and others talk about fairies
and the faye, and this is like, hmm, maybe there's

(42:46):
a Basically, it was the largest firefly or lightning bug
I've ever seen in my life. And it was about
the size of like a bluebird, and there were a
little like normal size lightning bugs kind of fluttering around it.
I mean, and I was like that, that that is weird.

(43:07):
I wasn't scared. It wasn't Luna wasn't even paying attention.
If she was, she was like, okay, whatever. I mean.
I wasn't worried or there was no fear. It was
more of a what in the world is that? And
I grew up, you know, seeing fireflies. This was not
a fireflies like a like a like a bird shape
something that was glowing.

Speaker 3 (43:29):
Yeah, that's a weird one in a good way. I
don't quite know what to make yet, which is good.
I like those kinds of stories. It reminds me, not exactly,
of course, it's different. But when Sam Sheeran saw the grasshopper,
the huge grasshopper with the human face, and you're like,
what the actual hell?

Speaker 5 (43:47):
Yeah, what.

Speaker 3 (43:50):
I mean, so you saw this and instantly you said
that in your head, You're like, this is not normal.
What the hell?

Speaker 4 (43:57):
No, yeah, yeah, this is not. No. I didn't think
Tinkerbell existed, but Peter Pan you around, you know it was.
But it was like really really cool to watch. And
of course I didn't have my phone with me, but yeah,
so that was just it was just kind of cool.
And this is also the house where where I saw this.

(44:21):
I was outside one day, probably taking the thrash out,
and this huge white owl. Now I'm telling myself, this
is an owl. This is an owl. This is an
owl was off in the distance, probably about thirty yards
from me, in this field, and there was a field

(44:41):
behind the house. This owl just kind of was standing
there was yeah, standing there staring at me, and it
was just like what what why? No, you're an owl,
you know. Yeah, And I think you know where I'm
going with that.

Speaker 3 (44:59):
Yeah, because unfortunate only everyone out there is going it's
not a now you know, just like in the fourth kind.
But no, it's unfortunate that that's where our brains go,
but it does when it's and how okay, how large
is large? Could you tell an estimate? No?

Speaker 4 (45:17):
I couldn't tell, uh, I mean it was it was
probably so its head was about probably about three and
a half or four feet off the ground because it
was it was in like a patch of of of
tall grass, and that tall grass is probably about two

(45:37):
to two and a half feet tall, and its head
was about a it was about a foot taller than
it was about a foot over that because I saw
his head in the front of his body, so it
was about a three and a half foot you know,
and I'm going, that's gotta be please, please, you know.

(45:57):
And it was like it was just watching me, like, hey,
I'm here, you know, I know where you are. And
then it dips down and I didn't see it fly off.

Speaker 3 (46:09):
I mean, I'm seeing where. I just googled this. It
says snowy owls can grow twenty to twenty seven inches tall.

Speaker 5 (46:17):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (46:18):
Where is for good? Inches?

Speaker 5 (46:20):
Where's where?

Speaker 3 (46:22):
Did I just see that? Okay? Yeah, wingspans of five
feet they're giving us like kilograms and stuff. Come on, now,
give me the.

Speaker 4 (46:33):
Right, give me.

Speaker 3 (46:34):
The I mean, twenty seven inches tall is not what
you just described. You know, that's that's not that tall.
And that's a snowy y'all. Snowy owls an Arctic. You're
not an Arctic.

Speaker 4 (46:46):
Yeah, no, I'm in like North Florida.

Speaker 3 (46:50):
Sorry, I'm just very I'm very curious. I'm not I'm
not an what is it an ornithologist? I love birds,
but I don't know right off the bat. Okay, largest
species in Florida is the great horned owl, measure between
eighteen to twenty five inches in height. So yeah, again

(47:10):
that doesn't sound like what so and it's yours white?
Oh white?

Speaker 4 (47:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (47:17):
So like really white, right, not speckled or yeah.

Speaker 4 (47:21):
It would have looked more like the like you said,
like that that snow owl. Yeah, but Florida, you know, I.

Speaker 3 (47:29):
Mean, hey, could one have escaped from some somebody's private
collection And it's like on dumb and dumber they have
these snow owls. Whatever the hell?

Speaker 5 (47:38):
You know?

Speaker 3 (47:38):
They're keeping but sure that's possible. But that was a
big owl that you saw.

Speaker 4 (47:44):
Yeah, it's and it was flapping its wings to stay up.
It was like I'm up here and I'm going to
go down. Yeah, like I'm trying to, you know. And
I was like, that's that's weird, that's not normal.

Speaker 3 (47:57):
Yeah, I mean and this, you know, the second you
start owls and then we've already talked about UFOs and
all kinds of lights and shadow figures and all this stuff.
I mean, the second anybody starts mentioning that, I just
I start thinking about Mike Cleland, you know, and the
Messengers and all that. So because it is so much
deeper than just owls and missing time and crafts. You know,

(48:21):
there's so much more to that stuff. And it's fascinating
and it's scary and it can be wonderful sometimes, but
it's a lot.

Speaker 4 (48:29):
Yeah, and and his book and because I've heard him,
I think on your show and others, and I want,
could you stop please talking about that?

Speaker 3 (48:39):
If some of it gets so dark so quickly and
so invasive, those types of well, just entities, I guess
is a good word. They don't have boundaries, so kind
of rude, a little bit rude.

Speaker 4 (48:54):
Yeah, And it's.

Speaker 3 (48:56):
Not always this beautiful light and love HM experience for folks.

Speaker 4 (49:02):
It's just not yeah. Yeah, and then if you don't money,
moving on, moving forward a little bit more. Yeah, there
something that I mentioned there was within the last probably
six months. Yeah, within the last about six to eight months,

(49:25):
my dreams have gotten really I've had some really weird dreams,
one of which was I dreamed that I was remote
viewing and I in the In the dream, I was
remote viewing somewhere or something, and these two tall, yellowish

(49:47):
skinned figures wearing a cloak. We're at a We're working
on a console, and they turned around and looked at me,
and in my head I heard they and in my
head I thought, oh shit, they can see me, they
know I'm here. And I woke up. I don't and something.

(50:08):
It's weird, just as something tells me that wasn't a dream.
It was just one of those one offs. But like,
I don't even know how to remote you. I think
it's really interesting if the CIA is listening, Hey, sure
I wouldn't mind a part time job.

Speaker 3 (50:25):
You're like train me. I mean, I mean, that was
only gonna be one of my questions. Have you ever
then thought about because you're obviously sensitive and things seem
to you you kind of are like the flame and
they're the moths, right, So have you ever thought about
picking that up? Maybe not picking up it's a big deal.
It's a long training process, but starting that, you know,

(50:46):
some people are more app to it than others.

Speaker 4 (50:49):
Yeah, yeah, I mean it's something that I would I mean,
I'm interested in pursuing at some point. I just think
it's kind of cool, you know, Oh.

Speaker 3 (50:57):
It's really cool. It's fascinating.

Speaker 4 (51:00):
Yeah, because I mean I've read stories and I've listened
and I've read stuff about the CIA stuff and Joe
mcmonagall and all that, and it's Yes, it's amazing to me.
Now you're given just coordinates and all of a sudden
you can go there and oh, yeah, by the way,
this is on Mars. Wait what you know? It's incredible

(51:22):
to me that, you know, and if it didn't work,
the CIA wouldn't have done it for so long. If
they're not still doing it now.

Speaker 3 (51:31):
Yeah, I listened to Joe and some of his compadres
on they've been on the Sean Ryan Show, and I
just eat that stuff right now. It's pretty incredible. What
was it a sub or something that had not no
one even knew about. This is Russian sub I think,
don't quote me, right, And he drew the damn thing

(51:55):
before it was even out of you know, wherever they
build it and Rye doock or whatever the hell it was.
It was a top secret Russian thing and he's like,
let me just draw this for you. You're like, what
the hell? Amazing incredible? Yeah, I mean really, Brian, maybe
you should you should go down that route.

Speaker 4 (52:14):
Yeah, I mean, it couldn't hurt.

Speaker 3 (52:16):
Have you thought about doing any kind of And this
is always an area of contention. It's a four letter
word essentially to some people. But some kind of a
hypnosis to see if you could recall what was going
on during your sleepwalking sessions and why you were so
terrified of being home alone when you were younger, you know,

(52:38):
and he was there missing time that you don't even
know that you had.

Speaker 4 (52:44):
Yeah, so I read, Oh, I think it's right in
front of me. So my therapist recommended I read Many Lives,
Many Masters m it's by Brian Weiss. I think something wise,
Brian Weiss, something wise, But it's about past lives. And
he is a psychiatrist in Miami that was a complete skeptic,

(53:09):
didn't believe in any of that until he had a
client or a patient that he did hypnosis on and
shed and then like you know, and then for about
what one to two years, he was documenting all of
her past lives. Incredible book. I've become kind of a

(53:29):
believer in past lives now, so yes, I would love
to delve into that and do some regression into that
because I'd love to know more about why have I been?
You know, why was I scared? Like petrified as a kid.

Speaker 3 (53:46):
Is there a hesitancy though you know what might come out?
Do you really want to know?

Speaker 5 (53:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (53:55):
The sleepwalking honestly, no to know if there's like past
life st yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 3 (54:01):
The past life stuff would be fine and cool and amazing.
But when you're still in this one and you still
have memories of possibly maybe dark stuff that's going on,
and your brain said, Brian, you don't want to deal
with this, buddy, I'm gonna lock this up in a
dark little space in gray matter, and you're like, nope,
gonna pry that door open. You know, that's when you

(54:23):
know it could go either way.

Speaker 4 (54:26):
It could go either way. I am hesitant about that one,
but I mean I might still do it, but I
don't know.

Speaker 3 (54:32):
I probably would do, to be honest with you, if
I had any old stuff in my childhood, I might
be like, screw it. I want to know.

Speaker 4 (54:38):
I mean, yeah, I mean I'm still here, you know,
so obviously they haven't taken too much if I'm still here,
So it might be something that needs to unlock. I
don't know.

Speaker 3 (54:49):
So this ties right in with that, essentially what we're
gonna call a dream we don't know, you know, remote
viewing dream of the beings at their little computer area.
Is you got up around two thirty in the morning
talk about that?

Speaker 4 (55:06):
Yeah, yes, thank you. I forgot about that. This was weird,
and I mean, I still don't know what the hell
this was. I got up around two thirty supposedly to
let the dogs out, and I'm letting them out, so
walking with them, I walk out the back door on
our on our screen damn back porch. As I'm opening
the door, the screen door, the back porch screen door thing,

(55:30):
they go outside, and I hear a voice in my
head that's not mine. It's not me. It's not my
internal voice saying, you know, dude, what are you doing
this late? Come on, go back to bed. No, it's
not that. It's it's not my voice, and it says, Brian,
it's time to go home. And I said out loud,

(55:50):
I said what, no, I'm I am home? You think
you know? This is no, I'm home? And for some reason,
something just said what the hell was that? And I ran.
I ran down the steps, looked all around, expecting to
see some craft or something. I didn't see anything. But yeah,

(56:14):
that was really weird. And I don't know what that was.
I don't know if that was a wrong number. You know,
maybe some other thing was trying to reach a neighbor.
I don't know, and got ane by mistake.

Speaker 3 (56:28):
I like that description. That is amazing they got the
wrong number. Yeah, probably not, though, considering your history, Brian,
I'm just gonna say, uh, yeah, yeah, that was.

Speaker 4 (56:43):
I don't want to say that's a one I want
to say that's a one off, but I don't think
it was.

Speaker 3 (56:47):
Yeah, because the whole it's time to go home is
probably the the big picture home. You know, it's time
to go, you know, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (56:58):
And it's and it's oh, no, I'm good right now,
not yet, not yet. I mean, I'm an emergency manager.
I'd like to enjoy one hurricane season without a storm, yeah,
and then one other quick thing and then you can

(57:20):
ask me whatever too. I don't know if that's fine
with me, but I remember a few nights later and
I'd probably just watched Ryan's show on YouTube and stuff.
I'm outside and I just I just I don't even
see it out loud. I just think it, Hey, if
there's you know, hey, if any of y'all want to

(57:41):
just kind of show up, I haven't seen it. I
haven't seen y'all in a while, seen at UFO or
anything in a while. To y I'll just kind of
want to show up and say hi. I don't need
to be probed or anything, just want to pop in
and say hi. That would be really cool. And I've heard,
you know, and I watch Dave Schrader in his paranormost sixtyeen,

(58:01):
you know, every week, and he's talked about you know, hey,
you know, speaking that into existence and seeing what happens.
So I did, I thought it, And then that night
I have the weirdest freaking dream I'm out in the dream,
I'm outside and there's I'm outside on the other side
of the house, and there's other people around me. I

(58:23):
don't know who they are. And a ship like a fly,
a flying saucer, comes flying down through clouds, lands lands,
and a bunny rabbit gets out and I hand him
a piece of paper. He takes it, and he gets
in the ship and flies away. Like I said, really weird.

(58:46):
But I just thought that and put that out there
earlier that night.

Speaker 3 (58:52):
Have you ever been drawn to go outside like you
you're in the house at any point in your life,
you're in the house and you go, yeah, I have
to go outside and look up.

Speaker 4 (59:04):
Yeah, every now and then, every now and then, that'll happen.

Speaker 3 (59:06):
Do you see anything when that happens.

Speaker 4 (59:09):
No, not that I can remember, now that being said,
not that I can remember. And there have been, you know,
thinking and talking about this and thinking it out loud.
There have been a couple of times when I've been
driving on the way home and I just have and

(59:30):
there's just driving on the way home, and there's a
couple of spots on some of the back roads that
I take when I'm driving for work, and I want
to avoid the interstates, because this is Florida and our
interstate system, it's either ninety miles an hour or you're
stopped in traffic jams. So I'm just taking back roads.

(59:50):
And there's a couple of different spots along this one
stretch of highway where I have felt just a strong
pull to pull off on the side of the road
and go walk through the woods. I did once, and
I got like about about five or six feet into
the into the little path, and I could hear David

(01:00:12):
Politis's voice in my head saying, get your ass back
in the car. This is how missing for when one happens.

Speaker 3 (01:00:22):
Was this daytime or nighttime?

Speaker 4 (01:00:25):
Daytime? Oh? Completely date dusk actually, And fortunately I was like, yeah,
it's like a snack. It's like just because I because
you know, I've watched some of this, I've read a
couple of the books and seen a couple of the documentaries,
and just that was playing in my head and it

(01:00:46):
snapped me out of it. It's like, I don't say
I was in a trance, but I was like just
zoned out. And sure enough I was like, wait, what
am I doing? No, no, no, no, So what was do.

Speaker 3 (01:00:57):
You recall being in your heading going, oh, the end
game would be to find a cool stream or a
rock or a pine cut. Well, do you remember there
being a point to it or you just remember having
this poll to do it, a.

Speaker 4 (01:01:12):
Pool to do it, and having an encounter.

Speaker 3 (01:01:16):
An encounter with with what I don't whatever? Yeah, yeah, yeah, wow.
So you know how many times did that happen? How
many times did you have that feeling?

Speaker 4 (01:01:30):
Honestly, I still do when I go down that when
I'm driving down that stretch of road.

Speaker 3 (01:01:34):
Oh, it's that same stretch of road. This happens each time.

Speaker 4 (01:01:38):
Mm hmmmm. And I don't do I don't. I don't
stow yet. Nope, well you did once I did once. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:01:47):
Yeah, So it's the same stretch of road. It's happened
like three times, four times, including the time you got.

Speaker 4 (01:01:53):
Out four I say four times.

Speaker 3 (01:01:57):
And each time, sorry, no you go.

Speaker 4 (01:02:01):
Was gonna. And there's a couple of times in the
woods in our neighborhood where I've been pulled to just
go back there, and and I thought, well, you know,
I'm going to take one of my German shepherds just
for protection, and I haven't. But it was just there's
just a pole there, and growing up I spent so

(01:02:25):
much time with the woods behind my house.

Speaker 3 (01:02:28):
But each time this poll includes the feeling that you
want to have an encounter with something. Yes, yeah, that's
interesting mm hmm.

Speaker 4 (01:02:42):
And sometimes it's a pole and sometimes it's just a
thought of, hey, maybe I should go in the wood. Now,
that's not going in the wood right now, you know.
Kickoff starts in like thirty minutes or whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:02:55):
Except for the fact that for the most part it's
down as the same stretch of road. Does it hit
in the same area, Yeah, yeah, Wow, that's weird.

Speaker 4 (01:03:07):
Mm hmm. And it's in kind of a north central
Florida stretch. Yeah, this it's really weird.

Speaker 3 (01:03:16):
You know that's Bigfoot calls you, I mean, rather sorry
skunk cape. Oh lord, let me term it properly. You know,
Bigfoot's like, let's go brine.

Speaker 5 (01:03:25):
No.

Speaker 3 (01:03:25):
But honestly, I'm not downplatting that. That is very, very
strange to have that happen in that same exact spot,
And of course, the morbid side of my brain wants
to go, man, you totally need to just pull last
through the woods and see what's doing, because something's going on.
But the other half's going no, just like what your
head told you the time that you did get out, No,

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get back in the.

Speaker 4 (01:03:48):
Car, exactly, exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:03:51):
No, nobody knows you were you were gonna pull over there.
It's not like you have GPS trackers on your body.
And I mean your phone might have been on you. But
you know what I'm saying, Like you just you don't
do those kinds of things alone. Wacky things happen in
the wilds, even if there's houses not too far. Weird

(01:04:12):
stuff happens.

Speaker 4 (01:04:14):
Oh yeah, I mean freaking portals show up in a cemetery.

Speaker 3 (01:04:18):
That's right, Yeah, that's right. And you're like, you know what,
I don't need to walk through no damn portal. Whether
it looks like a door or.

Speaker 4 (01:04:25):
Not, I don't know where I'm going. No, I'm good man.

Speaker 3 (01:04:30):
That's that's pretty wild. Actually, when's the last time that's happened.

Speaker 4 (01:04:37):
Oh, it's probably been about about four or five months.

Speaker 3 (01:04:41):
But is that because you haven't driven down that side road?

Speaker 4 (01:04:45):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:04:46):
Yeah, so now you just kind of know not to
go down there because you're going to have that feeling.

Speaker 4 (01:04:51):
Mm hmmm hm, pretty much. So I usually want to
take an seventy.

Speaker 3 (01:04:56):
Five yeah, whether it's a stop and go or have
you ever been driving down that back road with someone
else in the car and either did or didn't have
the feeling.

Speaker 4 (01:05:09):
If I have, Yeah, I don't have the feeling when
it's somebody else, when there's other people in the car.

Speaker 3 (01:05:14):
Oh, that's that just sounds very nefarious to me. Yeah
yeah right, m yike Yeah yeah, nope.

Speaker 4 (01:05:25):
Yeah, that's a nope exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:05:27):
Don't ever do that. I'll just go ahead and tell
you that right now.

Speaker 4 (01:05:31):
I won't. I'll take that.

Speaker 3 (01:05:32):
Oh all right, So let's end this on really kind
of a nice note. I love encounters like this. And
it was something that happened on your back porch steps.

Speaker 4 (01:05:48):
Yeah, thanks, So this was cool. So one day I
was walking up the back porch and I started to
lose my balance and yeah, so I've fallen backwards. It's
either my dad or my grandfather basically put their hand
on my back keeping me from falling and pushed me
back up. I felt a hand, a legit hand because

(01:06:12):
I was not holding onto anything like oh crap and falling,
and I felt a hand pushed me, catch me and
pushed me back up. To this day, it was either
my dad or my granddaddy. And I say my granddaddy
because I'm staring at his pipe collection right now. He
smoked pipes, and I've got a couple of other things

(01:06:32):
that he had brought home from World War two or
are very welcome than my dad, Just saying, dude, really,
you're the klutsiest person I know.

Speaker 3 (01:06:42):
Would you have gotten quite injured had you fallen?

Speaker 4 (01:06:47):
Oh? Yeah, I mean it would have been yeah, I
would have Yeah, it would have hurt.

Speaker 3 (01:06:54):
In any any amount of steps, You can kill yourself really, honestly.
You could trip on a curb and hit your head
wrong and die, of course, but you know, some some
steps are more nefarious than others. They're steep or narrow,
or there's twenty eight of them, whatever it might be.
You know, like you got the Exorcist steps versus a
couple of them, or fall down a couple of them,

(01:07:15):
you know.

Speaker 4 (01:07:16):
Right, And I was following back and I was holling backwards,
and it was like, yeah, I'm gonna yeah, I'm gonna
bust my head wide open, and that's not gonna feel bad.

Speaker 3 (01:07:25):
Good luck to your neck, uh exactly. Okay, So last question,
because a lot of times it could be haunting activity,
slash poltergeist activity, UFO activity, missing time can follow familiar lines.

(01:07:47):
So and of course it takes people sharing and talking
to no. So you may not know, but maybe you
heard secondhand from somebody else. I don't know. But did
your mom, your dad, your grandparents, did any of them
have any kind of strange experiences in their lives?

Speaker 4 (01:08:05):
I honestly don't know. I don't know. I mean, I
know my grandparents would tell me stories.

Speaker 7 (01:08:12):
Of of of the fay or of like appalation type
cryptid stories and ghost stories because they grew up in Huntsvild,
North Alabama, Middle Tennessee.

Speaker 4 (01:08:28):
So I got a lot of good appllation ghost stories
growing up.

Speaker 3 (01:08:33):
Yeah. So that was them sharing other people's encounters, right, Yeah,
so they but they were interested in it obviously, which
is cool.

Speaker 4 (01:08:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:08:43):
Yeah, it's hard to know, hard to know if if
anybody had any experiences, because I mean we were even
chatting a little bit before we officially started recording that.
There's just some things that you people will not tell anyone,
And that's fine, that's understandable.

Speaker 4 (01:08:59):
M Yeah. I mean my grandfather, my dad's dad was
a engineer with NASA and worked on you know, I
mean he worked with von Braun and all the Apollo
and Mercury and Gemini missions, which was really cool. But
maybe he knew stuff, you know, I don't know. He

(01:09:20):
may have, he may have witnessed stuff. I don't know.
He wasn't part of MJ twelve, which would have been
really cool.

Speaker 3 (01:09:29):
Well to your knowledge, he wasn't knowledge.

Speaker 4 (01:09:33):
I mean, geez, you know, I mean I don't know
because he never talked about that. Yeah, yeah, I don't know.
My parents or grandparents ever had any weird stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:09:46):
Well, was there anything else that you feel like you
should add or that I should have asked you?

Speaker 4 (01:09:53):
Uh? Yeah, no, just this one time. This is this
was just a cool thing. Well cool for me. So
we were in London on a somewhat on a working vacation,
and this was in nineteen eighty four, and we were
we were in the Cathedral in New York Cathedral in
New York, England, and I'd already been to like several

(01:10:17):
that year trip summer, and my mom and I were
talking with one of our friends who was with us
and her mom and her friend said my mom's friend said,
I got to get out of here. I just feel heaviness.
I smell smoke and we I just got to get
out of here. I just felt like heavy, something's dark here.

(01:10:41):
And Mom and I looked at her like okay, well yeah,
sure we've seen like we've seen a lot of cathedrals
this trip, so let's go three weeks later that church
was struck by lightning in the spot where she was standing.

Speaker 3 (01:10:58):
Yeah, she's highly sent Oh yeah, oh.

Speaker 4 (01:11:01):
Very very And it was just like that was just
a cool thing, like, oh that's.

Speaker 3 (01:11:06):
Cool, that is cool. She must have a lot of stories, then,
I'll bet.

Speaker 5 (01:11:12):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (01:11:14):
Yeah, she's the kind of gal that you're in a
car and she knows before an accident is coming and
she tells you to pull off or change lanes or something.
You know, that's what that is. She's the gal to
have her own.

Speaker 4 (01:11:29):
Yes, definitely, she's the one is like, no, we're not
pulling over at this spot, Brian, you're not getting out
of the car.

Speaker 3 (01:11:33):
Yeah, we're not getting on that plane whatever it might be. Well, Brian,
thank you so much for being willing to share. I man,
I appreciate it so much.

Speaker 4 (01:11:44):
Oh this is like a dream for me. This is huge,
Thanks Brian.

Speaker 3 (01:11:49):
No, it's it is my pleasure, and I'm humbled that
anyone still even wants to come on and talk to me.
So thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:11:58):
Like I said in my email, your podcast keep me
company on Saturdays.

Speaker 5 (01:12:05):
Well, I'm sorry. So I was given the name by
my parents.

Speaker 8 (01:12:08):
Ye business, I've been out of college, I've done these
things in my professional and I produce a little bark.

Speaker 5 (01:12:14):
But it says, forget it. That's that's something for a
story that's all gone, that's all passed. And I want
to see them, really you who are now? But nobody
knows who their names because we don't know our selves
except to listening to argos.

Speaker 9 (01:12:34):
And consulting our memorials.

Speaker 5 (01:12:37):
But then that's a really. And then again it's expect
this question.

Speaker 2 (01:12:42):
We are you?

Speaker 5 (01:12:44):
That is the meaning.

Speaker 9 (01:12:47):
We shall see how they play with this exp But
buy the cots to get you.

Speaker 5 (01:12:53):
To come out of your show and find out.

Speaker 6 (01:12:56):
I'm going really hard. Its steps, it's it's it's it's steps, it's.

Speaker 5 (01:13:46):
It's for example, I quite divide us.

Speaker 8 (01:14:51):
They will say, no, we don't believe literally in reinformation
that after your funeral you will suddenly become somebody different
living somewhere else.

Speaker 9 (01:15:04):
They will say, reincarnation means this that if you're sitting
here now, are really convinced that you're the same.

Speaker 5 (01:15:10):
Person the boarding at.

Speaker 6 (01:15:11):
The door half an hour ago, and you'll be reincarned.

Speaker 5 (01:15:16):
If you're liberate with you as now that you're gone.

Speaker 6 (01:15:20):
The past hasn't intestine, the future doesn't intestine.

Speaker 5 (01:15:25):
There is only the present.

Speaker 3 (01:15:27):
That's the only amenium there is.

Speaker 5 (01:15:30):
The zen masters don't get d in the space in
the spring does not become the sun. First there is
suthings and then there is spring.

Speaker 6 (01:15:59):
Ms. It's it's it's, it's it's puss.

Speaker 9 (01:17:32):
T s isn't that's the same idea where he says,
when you settled down in the train to read your newspaper, and.

Speaker 8 (01:17:41):
So you're not the same person.

Speaker 5 (01:17:45):
While we go to live in the plan. If you
think you are, you are linking your movements up in
the check And this is what binds were.

Speaker 8 (01:17:59):
When you know every moment which you are is the
only moment this comes intos are the last will say.

Speaker 5 (01:18:05):
To somebody, can I have a walk across the room
and it can be back? And he says, where are
your footment? They've gone a book? So where are you?
Who are you? When we are asked who we are.

Speaker 8 (01:18:20):
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