iNTO THE FRAY 524: The Farmhouse Poltergeist

Paul Dulski of Haunted Vermont speaks about the strange and sometimes scary incidents in his own home, and a friends farmhouse property.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The infinite complaces people went to and pro fears about
their little affairs, serene in the assurance of their dominion
over this small binning fragment of solar driftwood, which, by
chance or design, man has inherited out of the dark
mystery of time and face.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
Hello everybody, and happy Halloween tomorrow. I hope that you
all have a fun and safe holiday, especially if you
are taking those kiddos out and about so I know
that every year with Into the Fray, I have the
All Halloween Special with Steve Stockton and Cisco Murdock. And

(01:20):
you might be wondering where in the heck that is
due to some scheduling. They're not really issues, but just scheduling.
This year that is not going to happen. However, Steve
and Cisco will join me for a Creepy Christmas edition,
Dark Christmas whatever you want to call it. Creepy Christmas

(01:41):
that just rolls off the tongue. That's what we're going
to do this year. And my Halloween special will be
opening my supposed haunted doll that is supposed to be
a positive young lady spirit who is artistic kind. But
when I showed the photo to many of my Patreon

(02:05):
members and others who are sensitive, unlike myself, they got
the complete opposite impression of what or who was attached
to this doll. So I will be unboxing and showing
her on a Patreon live chat actually on Halloween, So

(02:28):
on the thirty first, that is what I am doing
for Halloween. Now, who knows if anything will come of
me purchasing this doll. So if you would like to
join us for that live chat, it is on video.
You can come on with me. We're gonna see what's
doing with the doll. And I will say that for
a lot of these Patreon video chats, things do tend

(02:50):
to go down, they really do. Patreon dot com slash
into the frame if you would like to join in,
and of course get all the other bonus content that
is over on that platform. We have great time, have
a great community over there, and a huge thanks, of
course to everyone who supports me on Apple, Podcast, Premium
and Patreon. You guys have no idea how much it

(03:12):
helps keep this going because this is a one woman show,
one hundred percent, So thank you so much. And without
further ado, let's get to this week's episode, Happy Halloween
on this episode of dto the Fray, I welcome Paul

(03:32):
Dolski on with me, and he is of Haunted Vermont
and while we are doing the intro and seeing our hellos,
you can go check him out at Haunted Vermont DOTRG.
And he said he's got a couple of interesting paranormal
experiences to share with us. So Paul, welcome on the show.

Speaker 3 (03:52):
Thank you for having me. And yet it's an honor
to share my story because the first one that I
kind of want to share is it's so short and simple,
but it's one of old one where I've been thinking
about it in the back of my head for years,
and every time I try to figure out a way

(04:12):
to maybe categorize it, I just can't because it's just
so weird. So I would I still don't even know
what to think of it.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
See, And I love that. I love that you are
willing to because some people go, well, I don't have
a long experience, or I can't fill a two hour show.
Whatever it is that never bothers me, and I hope
that people will just reach out no matter what, because,
just like you said, with my own personal experience that
got me into all this, it's a very really it's

(04:42):
a five second sighting. I mean, I can I flesh
it out a little bit more and describe it, but
it's very short and sweet compared to a lot of
other encounters. So people should not be shy to reach
out because they feel like, well, I can't even I
can't fill an hour show. You would be surprised the
questions that I will come up with, or maybe you won't.
You'll be annoyed maybe about how much I can ask

(05:03):
about what you consider a very short encounter. But anyway,
before you get into those couple of encounters, Paul, would
you tell everyone a bit about yourself and how you
got started in all of this? Of course, unless that's
you know, the encounter we're about to talk about.

Speaker 3 (05:20):
That's sort of the encounters actually that kind of really
spilled down the this I guess interesting phenomenon really, But yeah,
sure I can. I can sure share a little bit
and then go right into it if you'd like.

Speaker 2 (05:33):
Absolutely so.

Speaker 3 (05:35):
Basically from the stories I will be sharing kind of
made me start to question, you know, everything around us,
and I think we all need to start going back
to what our teachers used to tell walk when we
were you know, kids question everything, and that's sort of
like what I did. And by the time August twenty

(05:59):
sixth of fousand and twelve road around, I started haunted
Vermont because I had had so many things happen in
my my little wife that it was just like, how
could I not ignore the signs? You know what I mean?
So that's basically what pursued me to know or try

(06:21):
to find out what is actually you know out there?

Speaker 2 (06:24):
Well, yeah, jump on in there whenever. So set us
up with you know where this happened, how old you were,
all the all the good backstory stuff as well, if
you wouldn't mind.

Speaker 3 (06:34):
Well, I don't really know the age unfortunately, which most
of the time that's what you hear a lot of.
And that's just because I really don't remember. I just
I just know. So from the very beginning I was
that did it like with my original house where I
grew up, and did it before you know my family
got divorced and all that fun stuff. But anyway, basically

(06:58):
what happened was I would like a young age I'm
just gonna say for a record here maybe third or
fourth grade, so I mean kind of young for sure.
So what of that like five or six. Really we'll
just say that for the example here I guess I
had we go into it. But it starts off, I
should say, with like my room, which is on the

(07:21):
second floor our old house, and the way my from
what I recall for like my house is like where
the front door is, there's the hallway where you can
just basically you just hallway to kind of go in
the kitchen. There's also like a little side room on
the right hand side there. And but the the thing

(07:43):
that really should stick out is as you enter the
front door, immediately to your left there stared to go
up the stairs. So once you go upstairs, that's where like, oh,
our bedroom is, where our other bathroom is up theirs
and stuff like that. My room would be like if
you head up the stairs on the left and take

(08:05):
a right and a couple of steps two the right
again and to the left, that's like where my daughter is.
It like that weird pattern, I guess. So anyway, and
we'll get more too about like a second stairs in
the second experience, But for now, basically from there you
got my room, you got my parents room, and then

(08:27):
you got like if you went up the stairs to
the second floor, which to say, you're gonna go straight
that would have been my sister's room, and then to
the left would be the great big bathroom as I
call it, or used to call it. So from there
with just dive into one particular night where from what
I can even recall, it was so dark. I don't

(08:52):
remember a moonlight. I don't even remember seeing starved for
all I know, maybe it was like a cloudy evening.
But what really makes me look at this every time
is this, Shannon, And that is and I bet you've
done it too, Like what a place where you're familiarized with, right,
you can go back and remember where everything is, maybe

(09:15):
your old bedroom for example, right, So for I guess
what to say? For the sake here, we should all
remember when we were kids where our bedroom door is,
like that's not hard to miss, you know, and especially
like the closet door. But in my room, what was
weird about it is you got bedroom door and then

(09:37):
what to say on the other side of the wall,
because it's almost like a square shape, but right right
and around with to say two feet maybe because they
were pretty close, that's where my closet was. So from
there I had my door shut one night and I
basically would just like woken up for some weird reason,

(10:02):
and I just remember feeling like dread or something. And
what made it even worse was like going back to
the bedroom door. Thing is, I should know where it is,
but I could not find the door. I felt like
I could not find the doorknob or anything. And then
I started like what I thought was banging on the

(10:23):
wottle chunk of wall there because like I was trying
to mention here, the door and the closet were so
close to each other you couldn't really miss it. So
what I thought was banging on the door the wall,
I thought, I'm actually banging on the door. But I
still not could not find the doorknob. And I'm like,
you know, moving my hands up and down weft and right,

(10:45):
trying to feel for the doorknob because I mean, I'm
in the pitch black, I can't even see anything. But yeah,
I just could not feel anything. I have no idea
how much time has passed, but from there it almost
seemed like whatever was going on broke. And my mom
opened up the door on the other side, and what

(11:07):
was interested in is where she opened up the door
and where I was, I was literally like a couple
inches from where the doorknob should have been. So basically,
what I'm trying to say is where I've been feeling
and going up and down left and right all the time.
I should have been feeling this doorknob for my bedroom door,

(11:27):
but I could not. But ever then I couldnot figure
out what happened, like why I could not find a doorknob.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
Yeah, when we hear a lot about these feelings of dread,
even though you can't probably see anything, you just know
something is really really wrong. So, Paul, this house, had
it ever been remodeled? Was it always a toot I'm
assuming it was always a two story home, But was
there any remodeling that had gone on at any point

(11:57):
in time? Do you know?

Speaker 3 (12:01):
Honestly, I'm not sure. I just know that it wasn't
just our house. Like I don't know if I would
say a tattoo it, but I guess you could maybe
say it was a tattoo it like we were. It
was like a big, large family house, I should say, Like,
so there was basically you could say one house a tattoo,
another house, and then like too, two more maybe like

(12:24):
two more little houses or something. I can't remember, but
it would like one of the weird type of what
do you call them, like maybe do puick maybe or something.
It would it's an interesting house. I don't really see
that many of that kind of uh, you know, way
out anymore, but like that would where like my grandparents
lived and few other people lived. I guess for for

(12:47):
what you're asking about, after we had, you know, all
this moved out and stuff, there had been remodeling going
on afterward of that, but from what I can recall
from living there, there was no remodeling.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
So it's almost like you were stuck in some kind
of an alternate You were there, but not there, like
you're in an alternate dimension for a few moments.

Speaker 3 (13:09):
Yeah, exactly. It was like I was just trapped in
this little box and that's just why I could not
maybe find it, and that's why maybe it was so
pitch black. But like even when I would try to
remember if I could even see outside the window or something,
I can't even remember that because it was just so dark.
It was like one of the like abnormal night where

(13:32):
it would like so dark you couldn't even I couldn't
even see anything or even my hand in front of
my face.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
And I know that you were really young and this
was a while ago, but do you recall once your
mother finally opened the door because you're banging on stuff.
Do you remember the conversation or what you said to
her what she said to you.

Speaker 4 (13:53):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (13:53):
Yeah, she would wondering why or banging on the on
the wall, and uh, I was just like I could
not find a door knob. I was even saying like
I just could not find the doorknob. And honestly, from
there it was kind of just like just go back
to probably because it was so late in the in
the night so and I probably disturbed their sweep a

(14:13):
little bit. But yeah, I mean that's all I really recall.
Was just basically saying like I just could not find
the door. I could not find the doorknob to open
it up for some weird reason.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
Yeah, like it wasn't even there. That's creepy.

Speaker 3 (14:28):
Yeah, that's what I mean. Like that's why I I
every time I like think about this, it's just like
was it even there? Like like did I even you know,
it's almost like your second guessing, like did I really
feel to make sure? But I did, Like I I
probably should have mentioned it too, but for now, like
for the sake here, like yes, I put my hand

(14:49):
up against the what I've thought with the wall or
door or the even the what do you want to
call it, the dividers of the wall, and I tried
to feel because like I was trying to mention and
like every kid should remember, weird their door is basically
and do you just you know, you just can't find it.

(15:10):
I couldn't even find it for the life of me.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
See what you say is so correct, because it doesn't
take long. If you move into a new space, it's
your bedroom. That's where you're going to be in the dark.

Speaker 3 (15:20):
Right.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
You're not gonna be bumping around in the living room
in the dark for the most part, that's dangerous. But
in your bedroom you get to know how many steps
and which way left or right you need to go,
A little ways here, little ways there. But for you
not to find anything, it is a little bit strange
because especially as a kid, you you could be maybe

(15:41):
even a little bit afraid of the dark or something
like that. Do you do you recall having any night
terrors or bad dreams prior to this, or is this
the first time you were you were scared and something
weird happened.

Speaker 3 (15:54):
See, that's the thing that I'm always trying to remember.
Did I have nightmared before it happened, or whether after
this incident when I started to, you know, get the
weird like like feeling that night time like oh my god,
like what if that happened again? But the time, nobody
actually answered you know what I mean. So I really
don't know how to properly answer that question.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
Yeah, no problem. Did do you remember if you even
that night did you keep sleeping in there?

Speaker 3 (16:24):
I had to order my bedroom, but yeah, I mean
I eventually settled myself down. But because afterwards it almost
seemed like if there was a cloud in the sky
it started to penetrate light through the window or something,
because I could actually start to see again and to
go back to like what you were saying about the

(16:45):
way out of you know, your bedroom and stuff. So
basically my way out of the bedroom would have been
if you stepped into my door, and if you look
straight ahead, that's where the window would have been on
the other side, right to your left, like I was saying,
like to feet two feet from my door, that's where
the closet was, and if you go to the right,

(17:06):
that's where my director would have been, right next to
my bed, which was pretty much right in the middle
of the bedroom, and then on the other side dive
that did have some space left. I had one of
the old like old fashion school desk that you know,
you basically kind of have like that FlipTop, you know,

(17:28):
nothing like classrooms have anymore.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
So I understand this is Vermont and there's a lot
of weather that moves through there, and as you said,
it could have been cloudy that night. But do you
recall anytime around that incident where like the next night
or even you know, the next week, because then you
can kind of gauge in a clear night where the
moon would be without it shifting too much, but maybe

(17:52):
within a week or so of oh, look how bright
my room is, you know, And I know the moon
also moves, but usually there some kind of an ambient
light if you have some kind of a moon or
any street lights that might come through. Do you recall
waking up and going, now, this is how the room
kind of kind of should have looked at that rear

(18:12):
freaky night when I couldn't find the door and it
was utterly pitch black.

Speaker 3 (18:18):
I get what you're trying to say, but what was
hard again to answer this From where my window was
facing the neighbor's house, we hardly have there's one, maybe
one or two street lights on the street, though not
not very much. And from the way my window was

(18:41):
also faced in there there was another type of big
tree to what would be like if you're looking at
the window or looking out the window, the tree would
be like, uh maybe and twelve feet to the left,
like right by the road there. So I mean I

(19:03):
almost feel like there there there are too many objects
that could help or that could help prevent some like
to really shine in. But to get to what you
are trying to ask, there is there was some night
where it did feel like, especially like during the winter time,
I feel like when it does seem to be brighter

(19:27):
quote unquote at night. Yeah, that that seemed to illuminate
into the room better where I felt like maybe it
was just like oh yeah, just sing you know, just
thing better.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
How nice you had the Poultergeist tree outside your window
a little ways away. Huh yeah, pretty much like once
you see that movie, you're like that tree needs to
come down, okay.

Speaker 3 (19:54):
Or the one from Sweepy Hall.

Speaker 2 (19:55):
Oh yeah, I love that girl. That is so great,
even all the remakes with the extra CGI You're like, whoo,
that was gory. Okay, I like it.

Speaker 3 (20:07):
Come on tree, Yeah we're dark.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
Like that though.

Speaker 3 (20:10):
We like that stuff, so yeah, yeah we do.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
So how did that affect you? And I understand you know, parents,
they're like, oh, come on, it's a bad dream, big deal,
you can't find your door. But to you, you're going
there was something else because when you have that primal
feeling of dread, that's where it's of more interest to
people like us, because something was telling you that something
was wrong, and then you get up and then it

(20:33):
becomes even more freaking wrong. Right, So how did that
affect you after that? Or did it?

Speaker 3 (20:42):
It really didn't to be on it, like like, well,
it stuck with me for a few days for sure,
because it was just, you know, maybe because I was
trying to wrap my head around it, because I was like,
why couldn't I find my own damn doorknob? You know,
like like you know, I'll probably have woked have five
more times, like I know the way out of my room,

(21:04):
So how can you not miss the you know how
could you not find a door knob basically what I'm
trying to say. So, but yeah, from here, I would
say it wasn't that bad. Moving forward, though, there was
some other incident where like like I remember when my
my grandpa, my grandpa died in ninety five, and I

(21:27):
remember that was the first time I got the word
like what death was basically, and that that was hard
for me because, you know, a kid trying to understand
what death is. It's probably the most hardest thing you
could try to wrap around a kid's brain, especially being
so young. And so I here's another story I don't share,
but just a nice and short anyway. So here here

(21:49):
here you go, and the two for the bright to
one or three or whatever. Anyway, So my mother, I
think it was around that holiday season, you know, or
Hollween or Christmas. I can't exactly remember when it came
into play, but my mother bought a freaking Weedi board
quote game, and from there my sister and I you did.

(22:13):
But what was strange is my grandfather's name was also
named Paul, because I was named after my father's dad. Basically,
I just remember when we went to you Theuigi board,
we ended up asking like who are we talking to?
And it spelled out Paul pa u L And I'm

(22:35):
just like thinking to myself like, okay, what is going on?
You know again, like my my little kid brain had
gone like am I really talking to you? Like you know,
what should be my my grandpa? Or who am I
talking to? So you could say, that's when it really
started to somewhat spark of the hole, what what is

(22:59):
going on here? Like why is just saying Paul like
on recD trying to call me out because I'm Paul.
So it was one of those moments where you know,
you wanted to get clarification, which we did because we
ated to say yes or no, like are you talking
like your name is Paul? And they said yes, and

(23:22):
we made sure like you're not trying to refer me
like me myself and want to know and that's when
it makes me made me realize. So yeah, but of
course we're the instruction back in the day. I don't
even remember if we quote out the weedi board right
or what, but I think I forced my sister to
try to get it to say goodbye anyway, But because yeah,

(23:47):
that's just my little Weedi board story I don't really
talk weedy board doors reading boards anymore.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
Okay, that was gonna be My question is you know,
have you used them since? And not really?

Speaker 3 (23:59):
No, no, not really the way time, i'd better in
a room with a weedi board, would just say that
would even more creepier than mine, and I would just
sitting in the doorway watching the other people play out
the weedy board. At that time, even.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
I remember using a weed aboard and as you say,
to close it out or if it wasn't active, you
know at the time, you would take the clear plastic
part of the cleanch at and pop it out, and
you know, you like blow on it or wave it
around as if I don't know what the hell that's
supposed to do, but I remember trying that that's just

(24:42):
some silly stuff. But yeah, weed boards are fun, that's
for sure. But I do absolutely feel like because of
the intention behind it, that you can certainly get in
touch with some very dark things that aren't pretending to
be there, or rather they're pretending to be light and
love and airy things and positive things and some sweet

(25:03):
young lady that just wants to hang out with you
and have your back. But that's not probably what you're
talking to.

Speaker 3 (25:11):
And that what I'm trying to get at is because
we don't how would I know, like, how would I
come about to know that that would really you know,
my dead grandpa reaching out. I mean, I have no idea.
And again just goes to show kind of like what
you're saying with what you to kind of go with
the wind of what you were saying here. And so

(25:31):
again I'll just share this little story too. So when
I would observe in my other friends at the their apartment,
I'll just say we had a skeptic there actually, which
is probably the worst thing you could have when you're
trying to do a wiki board Sesson in my own opinion,
just because of what happened, and that is my friend.

(25:54):
It was actually around the time frame and he wanted
to you know, about out a and see what was
going on in his apartment because he knew something was
going on. But of course he had the skeptic help them.
So anyway, in this room of his he got like

(26:15):
probably ten people and not including me, and he got
him and his other friend on the eye the plancy
and basically they start asking it question and etcetera, and
et cetera. We've got a name for for what sounds
like it was a kid trying to communicate. And what

(26:38):
really became bizarre about this we can watch them trying
to close out the session, but it does not want
to say goodbye, and it's so we're all trying to
be like, you need to say goodbye, we need to
let you go. But it was almost like if this

(26:59):
really was a kid trying to reach out, it really
wanted to talk with quote us or something. But what
really made it worse with the skeptic was basically, and
I've never seen it move so fast in my life,
and basically it spelled out h E l p M

(27:23):
so fast that the skeptic raised his hand off the eye,
which is what you're never thought to do until like,
you know, you closed it out, but he did, and
so everybody was so upset, like, oh my god, what
did you do? And everybody was just like, you know, basically,
the skeptical we're basically trying to say, like you did it.

(27:44):
You were moving it, and it's like, dude, how could
he move it so fast? He only had one finger
on it and you had one finger on it. You
tell me how fast? How you could move it that
fast to spell out help me, like, I don't get it,
but yeah, that's the story.

Speaker 5 (28:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
I love when the skeptics have something happen that they
can't quite explain, and they do try, and hey, there's
no telling what's really going on, but it is always
cool when the skeptic is like, I need my brown pants.
Where are they at?

Speaker 3 (28:16):
For sure? Yeah, I don't even think he'd even put
the weedy board ever since that incident, I bet. But yeah.
But so this next little bit take place at my
friend's farmhouse, and it's one of those type of moment

(28:38):
where at this point in time, my curiosity found ghost
Hunters on TV back in the day, so of course
me and my friend were into that, so we started
watching that, etc. Etc. Do you only thing he just
forgot to tell me was if I hear anything U
during the first time I'm over to just don't worry

(29:01):
about it the ghost in the house or something. Because
when I the first time I went to stay the
night at this farmhouse, it was basically just I didn't
realize just how much that was the beginning before everything
else that went after that. When it became to coming

(29:23):
over and visiting his place more so, I'll just start
off with just basically saying for the first night is
we heard footsteps coming up the again the second story house.
But the way his his house was weighed out. He
had you could say, he had two ways of getting

(29:45):
up there. There was another stairs and the way back
at the house, and then there were dish stairs that
was more towards like his living room, which went into
this mini living room or whatever you want to call it,
to this little small hallway which is where the stairs were.
And from there you go up the stairs and if

(30:07):
you go straight, that's just like a guest bedroom that
had the bathroom some window or like one window in it.
And to come back out to the stairs again and
you go down the hall, there's about two other bedrooms
on the right hand side, and then if you keep
going straight, it weighed you into this bigger room which

(30:31):
I'm not really sure what it was originally before he
turned that into a bedroom again, but there was another
door that kind of led to like his sister room.
So in a weird way, it almost been like all
these rooms somehow connected to some sort of outer room,
if that makes any sense. But they kept that one

(30:55):
particular doorway lock, so they so like the sister couldn't
come in like pole a prank on us or something,
or we couldn't go and pole prank on her if
she had guests or something like that. So that's just
maybe help kind of with the weigh out just a
little bit. But yeah, I uh, there was a basically

(31:17):
a night the first night where I heard footsteps and
then it almost sounded like something crashed. It was just
so weird, and I kept that my friend, I'm like,
what is going on? Like who is your sister like
coming to trying to prank us or something like we
should maybe go check it out because this is just weird.
Why somebody just keep going up and down the stairs

(31:39):
And he's like, Oh, don't worry about it, just go
back to the bad And I'm just like, no, I'm
not going back to bed. What is going on? And
it's like we have a spirit here, And then from
that point on it was just like oh okay, and
then I just passed out because I was just like okay,
here we go again, you know, But from there it
just gets bizarre. Shannon, So I just don't know if

(32:01):
you want me to just continue into it or anything. Okay,
so let's see where to begin. When to begin? There's
so much stuff that happened here even when I wasn't present,
because I did have him on my podcast to talk
about this, because I also wanted to know, like what

(32:23):
else he had encountered when I wasn't there or when
friend weren't over, Like at one point in time before,
like we came back over to you know, hang out
or sweepover for a party or something. He mentioned there
was one night like him and his sister, what do
we walk like a candle floating across the room, And

(32:43):
I'm like, are you sure nobody told him onto it? No, dude.
It was almost like the candle would just levitate and above,
you know, about the director or wherever. It was almost
like somebody was trying to walk with the candle. It
was so bizarre. But as far as that goes, he said,
that wasn't really too much going on. Still, like he

(33:07):
had friends over, which was always the weird thing. We
started to recognize too, and that was one of the
jokes that we started to make and we grew up
and talked about it more. Was Man, don't you wish
we could just like go back in time and just
act our parents to get like a like a tape
recorder or something so we could just record everything that happened.

(33:29):
Because this is like the paranormal dream. Basically, we have
evidence and we had it all basically happened to us
in a weird way in one form more or another.
So just talking about it just doesn't even help at
all and give it justice, because had you kind of
said at the beginning of this, it's like we at
this point, everybody's just gonna think I'm full of shit

(33:50):
or something, and it's just like, no, that didn't happen.
But it's like like, yeah, it did, and I don't
even know how to describe it. It was weird. And
we'll get into that after of like what happened later on,
but for now, so after that first incident, which I
felt like the whatever spirit this was, we're trying to

(34:13):
get used to me. It finally got used to me
being there for so many times because I used to
go there like a lot, We used to hang out anyway.
There was like a night where it was his birthday.
We went to stay the night and as we went
to bed. This just still again makes no sense to

(34:38):
me because I feel like we should have either a
felt somebody moving during the night, We should have either
been tripped on and basically you know, caused some sort
of crash simulation of trying to get out of bed
to go to the bathroom or something or whatever. But
so as we went to bed, we use his great

(35:01):
big bed to sleep on us three. So my friend
was at the window. My our other little friend who
was like shorter than us, he was in the middle,
and I kind of stayed on the side of the bed.
Basically towards the end, I should say where I should be,
like on the floor if I were to fall off. Basically,

(35:22):
by the time we woke up, I was at the window,
my friend that was in the middle was where I was,
And my friend that was at the window was underneath
the bed on the floor. Oh, and as we woke up,

(35:43):
we're all just like like nobody got up, nobody got
up at all, Like you didn't try getting up, and
you just for some reason wanted to, you know, be
on the floor underneath your bed. No, why would I
want to do that? Why would I want to be
under the bed?

Speaker 5 (35:58):
You know?

Speaker 3 (35:59):
Yeah, Like why did I want to be by the window.
At the time. I didn't really like being by window
that night time because it was too cold for me.
I don't really. Maybe because I was bigger than our
other friend. Maybe that's why he would place where I
was so and I would buy the window to kind
of block the coldness from him or something like. Again

(36:23):
I don't I don't know. Yeah, that's what happened. That's
like probably one of the biggest like eye openers of
like what is going on? Like who is playing tricks
with us? Because that's what it felt like later on,
it just wanted to play with us, almost like a
tricker or something. And from there though, it was like

(36:47):
we had moments where we would basically mess mess up
his entire bedroom. And what I mean by that is
like basically throw our clothes on the floor, you know,
put our shoes on the floor. We didn't care where
they landed. We didn't really tidy yet because we're just kid,

(37:09):
We're dumb boys, you know, We're just there to have
fun because it's our friend birthday or whatever. But when
we would uh leave the bed, yeah, we'd the bedroom
and go downstairs for a while, even if we went
outside just to go play around because there were nice
days out and we would get yelled at if we

(37:30):
weren't outside until night time came around. But when we
would go back into this bedroom that's supposed to be,
you know, all messy and stuff because again we're we're
just boys and like fourth fifth grade, and it's all
picked up and we found out all our stuff that

(37:53):
was on the floor, it's mysteriously been chucked in his
closet with the door closed even and that happened not
just once, but it happened a few times. We actually
did it to a point where we wanted to make
sure it wasn't like his parents, and we completely made

(38:17):
sure like when they were out working on the farm
or something. We basically scattered stuff around, made it messy
and we're just like, okay, but just go outside for
a little bit and come back in, and we did,
and next thing, you know, it was all the mess
that we made that even the parents shouldn't even know

(38:38):
that we just did. We destroyed his bedroom. Basically, it's
all picked up and certain things again that we noticed
we're just chucked in the closet with the door shut,
and we're just like, what is going on. It's almost
like whatever this was did not like it to be
a mess and wanted to pick up after or us

(39:00):
because we wouldn't pick up after ourselves. So and I
feel like if it was his parents, we would have
been spoken to, But we never were spoken to by
his parents that we had a mess, which is just
again it just adds to the what is going on.

(39:22):
So the same bedroom again that I can share for
a couple more incidents before he ended up changing bedrooms
to the other bigger location I'll say, but the last
two in this particular room was again we went there
one night. It was for like a sleepover for I

(39:43):
forget his birthday again, or just or just having a nice,
you know, sleepover hangout thing. By the time we woke up,
we looked at his mirror that is it's one of
those mirrors that's like attacked to a dresser. Basically just
for the idea here. We had also prior because our

(40:07):
friend used to lock his door, his bedroom door, so
that when nobody could try to come in and prank
us if they wanted to. So we wake up to
a message on that mirror and it's in melted crayon,
which I will go into more details about this melted
crayon theory that we have after talking about it. But

(40:31):
on the message, which smelt like melted crayon, it wrote
I Heart Like it wasn't like in it was the
symbol heart at what I should say, I heart, and
then my friend's name, which is Justin. We're just kind
of looking at Justin, going like, dude, whatever this is

(40:52):
apparently adores you or something like like what is going
on here? You know, like like we're just melting crayon
from and he kind of looked at us and going,
we don't have this here. I mean, yes, his mother
did babysit, and if there was any crayon, they got
packed up and weft with the kid that she was babysitting.

(41:14):
So there was nothing like that ever there at the
house once the babysitting was done taking place, per se.
So we have no idea how this crayon got melted
without us even smelling it during the night, and the
fact that we couldn't even hear it being written that

(41:37):
makes it more creepy to you, I think, because it's
just like that's got to be the most silent thing
in the world. I feel like, on top of you know,
not smelling the melting crayon, and then finally the last
thing that I can share for this bedroom. And then
if you have any questions shenning for this bedroom, I'll

(41:57):
what you asked. But so the final encounter here was
they were just me and my friend Justin, and just
like I just mentioned, with the melted crayon, he locked
the doors. So now with that out of the way,
we were up in his room watching a scary, spooky movie.
Because there was not Cober. I believe again it would.

(42:23):
It couldn't have been more perfect in our aspect of
us trying to do this, and which was as soon
as a scary moment was about to happen on the movie,
his lock bedroom door came flying not really flying open,
but it came swinging open. And we're just dumbfounded now

(42:48):
because we don't have his window open, so they's not
like a draft. And his hallway had one army I
had one window, but that's not even open. And plus
was how far down the hallway it is. I don't

(43:09):
think if there even was a wind current, I don't
think it still would have been strong enough to open
a door, especially a lock door. So from here this
is when we started to become like you know the
ghost Hunters on TV, because we're just like trying to
figure it out. It's like, oh it was you know,

(43:29):
was it just loose enough to get open by I
don't know, by some sort of vibration I guess from
the floor. Did somebody try to sneak up and sneak
up the stairs to try to pull this prank or something?
And we basically kept one person inside the bedroom and

(43:54):
locked the door and one of us outside of it,
and we tried to do the theory, well, let's go
down the stairs wait a couple seconds, so that way
we can you know, field the environment again of the
silence of nobody coming down destructing the stairs. Basically what
I'm trying to say. So we would basically switch back

(44:17):
and forth going up and down these stairs and try
to be as quiet as we can and try to
be quiet to get to the door to then try
to open the door. But every time we could hear
both of us, we are each outther come up these
stairs and down the hallway, so there was no way

(44:39):
we could be Ninja delthy enough to even get to
this door before we could even hear you. Basically, yeah,
it's just bizarre and weird at the same time. We
still don't understand. We still couldn't wrap our heads around
how this locked door just swung open.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
Paul swinging back to the candle floating, because that's a
that's a cool one, and I realized that people. I'm
just saying the normal height of a normal sized human
if you were holding a candle for light. And I
understand you can hold a candle over your head or
you can hold it lower. But I'm just saying, when

(45:19):
he was on your podcast, did you ask him at
all if the candle was floating at a usual height
of if a person was holding a candle, if they
were walking through a dark room.

Speaker 3 (45:33):
So I think I did if I memory shoved me right,
and he mentioned it would basically like got your chest height.
It wasn't above the head at all.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
Yeah, so pretty much like somebody holding a candle if
they needed to use a candle, right, that's pretty cool.

Speaker 3 (45:54):
Yeah, and he said it didn't happen that often. Again,
going go, I'll, like I said, going to the end
of this, it gets even more interested in too, so
but uh, yeah, there any other question Shennon about this
particular room before I move on to the next bedroom.

Speaker 2 (46:13):
Actually, thank you. Uh so the couple of times where
the room would be a hillacious mess. And then I
think certain things you said, we're thrown in the closet.
Do you recall if each time these whatever things they
were were thrown in the closet were the same types
of things every time?

Speaker 3 (46:33):
Yes, yes, it would like I closed our shoes at nighttime,
like if we went downstairs and like just to go
eat dinner or something, we would come back up in
all our stuff, like all our messy clothes from the
day or and shoes would just be chucked in the
closet pretty much trying to tell us like, okay, kids,

(46:55):
you know you just need to pick up after your stuff,
But in this case, I'm just gonna grab it off
and defroward it in this closet.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
Did you guys ever get because he had a sister, right,
how old was the sister? How much older was she
or younger?

Speaker 3 (47:10):
She would about my age at the time, so I
would say, what would that be seven or eight years old?

Speaker 2 (47:17):
Did you ever get a beat on if she was
messing with you guys at all?

Speaker 3 (47:22):
No? Because she would always over at a friend's house.
Uh yeah, so it would basically just me and him
usually and his parents, but they were always out working
on the farm by her. His sister would most of
the time be gone out of French's house.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
Well, that kind of answers that then, because I'm sure
that you guys would have been like, oh, so and
so is just being silly again, throwing stuff in the
closet or writing stuff in crayon on the mirror. But
if she's not around, then that would be a really
strange for parents, because parents, for the most part, want
to allay children's fears. We don't want our kids to

(48:07):
be scared. So usually that's why parents go, oh, it
was a nightmare, Oh it was this, Oh it was that.
Don't worry, go back to bed. So I highly doubt
that it would be a mother or a father trying
to scare Justin and you guys to just even sleep peacefully,
you know, within his own home, and that's not the norm.

(48:30):
I know, it's not impossible, but that would just be
wild if that was the case, And I'm sure that
it wasn't.

Speaker 3 (48:37):
No, and you're right, but like I was saying, too
shiton is we we would be able to hear somebody
coming upstairs, even when even when the first time, like
I mentioned hearing the foot deep and I was asking
my buddy, like, what the hell is going on here?
Like you're playing a point? Could your mom doing something
up here? No? No, no oh, And going back to

(48:57):
that crash, that's the one thing I forgot to mention
at the very beginning of the first time hearing these
weird footsteps. So I mentioned that crash, so the next
morning from the first time, and then I'll see if
you have anything else before moving on. But basically that crash,

(49:18):
we found out what it was the next morning. It
was one of those old table that would built out
of marble, so basically a table that you basically need
like two or three or four people, you know, because
it's heavy, it's marble. But it almost looked like somebody

(49:38):
had taken it and like kind of swit it off
the i'll just say the foundation or whatever you want
to call it, basically, and it landed like on its side. Now.
And I want to clarify this too, is his It
was not his parents, because again, they worked farm life,

(50:01):
so they're always out at night. That's why they're kind
of sleeping during the day, which is why they kind
of not trying to be angry with us, but like
if we were being too loud, we got told like, hey,
we're trying to sleep, can you go outside and play
so we can rest. It's just like, oh, I'm sorry,
you know, like and so it got to the point

(50:22):
where we knew when they would come in for their
daily routine of getting some sweep before having to go
back out in the nighttime. So we I don't know, again,
I don't know how to wrap my head around how
this really heavy marble tabletop just slide down to the

(50:44):
side and that we make it look like it's resting
on the side per se. I don't know how to
explain that.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
Yeah, that that is a weird one.

Speaker 3 (50:53):
Yeah, it's just it's like, even when Justin and I
talked about the first show, we're just like poking fun
at it because, like I said, because we have to,
because it's just you know, even now, it's just one
of those like, oh my god, I just wish we
could just go back in time and just tell tell
both our parents basically just to get let us have

(51:16):
a recorder so we can just tape this because of
all the stuff that happened. It's just because I would
say it was fun, because it was just like, Okay,
I'm here again, what's gonna happen today? You know, we
kind of became that joke. But yeah, before moving on, skin,
is there anything out that you would like to ask

(51:36):
before the next bedroom?

Speaker 5 (51:38):
No?

Speaker 3 (51:40):
Okay, So this next bedroom would be where, like I
would mentioning it, you're on top of the stairs and
you walk to your right, and then if you go
all the way down the hallway, you'd be entering this bigger,
just somewhat bigger room, which shinnon that would be the
room where going back to your question, acting it was
the sister. That's that's where the door is always locked

(52:03):
from that side, not from like the sister's bedroom side.
So that's how we knew that it couldn't be the
sister if she were to try to pull a prank
on her, because that side, that side from her room,
you wouldn't be able to unlock it. You would have
to do we go around to the other side of
the house where we were just to unlock it. Just

(52:24):
to clarify. But yeah, so this bedroom now is a
new place obviously, not not where the quadet, chuck and
messy idy up he is going. Now from here we
deal with a radio, and that it's pretty much all

(52:47):
that's happened in this room. It was almost like when
when my friend justin switched rooms. It kind of to
start to uh simmer down as I can say that
maybe that might be the way I want to go
go about that's moving on. But so the radio, we
had this weird I'm trying to exactly remember all the details,

(53:12):
obviously because it's been so long ago, but I do
recall that we had the radio on and we want
to go downstairs for some reason, maybe to go eat
or something, or maybe watch some TV or you know something.
But it was almost like clockwork. As soon as we

(53:33):
would hit the living room downstairs, it was almost like
the whole house was I don't want to say shaken,
but it sounded like the music from upstairs now from
his new bedroom, is louder than how we just left it.

(53:53):
So of course we go back up and it's still
on and it's quiet. It's almost like it turned itself
down per se. Basically we're just like, okay, that's just weird.
So we went back down again, not could we I
think at this point in time, we were just going

(54:14):
to grab a few things and come back up. But again,
as soon as we hit the living room again, it
was like somebody baring music and we're just like, okay,
what is going on again? So of course I said,
you stay here, I'm going to go up and I'm
going to turn it up or and see it, you know,

(54:37):
see it that the volume it was or something. So
I went up there by myself while he stayed in
the living room, and of course, like clockwork again is
nice and quiet. It doesn't sound like it's blaring for
the radio anyway. So I start to turn up the
dial and I got it to the point where I
think it's loud enough. I just will, you know, just

(55:01):
kind of leave it there for a couple of minutes,
and I turned it back down and I go back downstairs,
and then I was just like, okay, so did you
hear it? And especially when I started to turn it down,
and he said yeah, but he when you started to
turn it down though, you could tell it wasn't barn anymore.

(55:23):
And I'm like, okay, well, I did put it to
like twenty twenty two volume, which for the type of
radio system. He had not pretty loud. It basically was fine.
But as soon as we we went back up there
after grabbing some stuff and just witching in and eating

(55:44):
and whatever, and then bringing our stuff back down and
turned off the radio, we didn't hear the boyar in
music anymore. So I had the joke sort of a
you know. At time went on, especially after he had
moved out of this place, we figured you're that whatever
was messing with us. We're basically trying to say, hey,

(56:05):
you turn you turned on the radio, Now turn it
off because you're done with it, you know, kind of
like go outside and play or something. It was like
trying to It would almost like it were trying to
gently we nice way of saying, just turn it off.
He's kind of like going back to the closet thing.
It's like you kids are making a mess. I'm just
gonna take it all up, pick it all up, and

(56:26):
throw it in the damn closet. In this case, they
were basically trying to get our attention, saying like, hey,
you with the radio on.

Speaker 2 (56:34):
I mean, it certainly seems like a female energy. I mean,
beyond all the radio and the picking up picking things
up that are messy. The iHeart justin thing is certainly
a glaringly obvious, probably female energy thing going on.

Speaker 3 (56:49):
Yeah, and that's what we were trying to figure out.
And I think we kind of mentioned that in my
talk with him, either it being on the record or
not of that episode, I cannot remember, because we did
talk and a little bit because we were trying to
go back and forth with what it could possibly have
been but and why it were doing this and stuff.

(57:13):
So that's where we started to, like I said, joking,
we talk about it and you know, just have fun
with it, because it wasn't trying to hurt us. It
was just you know, looking out after us. It thinks
like for us stupid kids as I'm gonna call it,
for being so little and young back in the day.
And so anyway, so anyway, that was the only thing

(57:34):
that really happened in this bedroom. Now afterward he did
change his bedroom one more time, and that was the bedroom. Again.
I apos, I've heard it, but I just want people
to understand where we're at and this way out here,
so at the top of the stairs here you're just
gonna go straight straight this time, and that's the little

(57:57):
bed the bedroom with a little bath now. So basically
what I'm trying to get at it like, instead of
going downstairs to go to the bathroom, now there's the
bathroom here. Basically. So the only thing again that happened
in this third and final bedroom for us was this
mysterious shadow that was outside. It was, I am, it

(58:22):
was almost like we were just watching outside or something
and we just noticed this weird shadow, and it was
so weird that by the time we both wanted to
try to debunk this shadow, with the shadow itself kind
of looked like it was somebody standing there, but like
it was standing in an odd position because and I'll

(58:46):
just say this real quick, which is we did try
to debunk this shadow. We did try to do the
whole you know, switch er room where one of us
stayed in this bedroom the other actually go out to
where the shadow is of the house way out, which
would have been his like front house doorway entry sort of.

(59:10):
We we could never replicate that shadow that we saw,
so we have no idea what the shadow was and
how it was even possible to create such a shadow,
because it was just so bizarre. But it was almost
looking like it was like somebody would just standing in

(59:31):
like this weird angle, I guess, and just I don't
know if it if I want to go as far
as staying looking up at us or just standing there
for whatever utter reason. But yeah, we just could not
figure out or reduplicate what we saw.

Speaker 2 (59:50):
And just to clarify, this was a first story or
second story window.

Speaker 3 (59:55):
Second story.

Speaker 2 (59:58):
My mind always goes to Salem's Lot when it comes
to stuff like that. You're like, what's outside the window? No,
don't open the curtains. So how many times did you
guys see this shadow?

Speaker 3 (01:00:09):
It was just that one and only time, Okay, Yeah,
and that's why we tried to re recreate it because
they were just so bizarre.

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
Again, how about the parents or the sister. Did you
ever hear of anybody else having experiences?

Speaker 3 (01:00:32):
They just didn't talk about it, to be honest. Yeah,
So if they thought something, I have no idea.

Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
Yeah, and Justin doesn't recall his sister ever being scared
or seeing something strange.

Speaker 3 (01:00:47):
It's been a while. I don't I don't recall for sure,
but if he if I did ask him that, it's
probably on the episode that I did. But I just
can't think off the top of my e.

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
I'm the same way. Sometimes people go, oh, remember that
guest that said this, this or this, and it might
it could be a very specific thing, and it usually is,
and I'm like, oh, that's cool. Was that my show?
Sometimes not always some things do stand out, but I
get it it when you do a podcast, it all
can run together, right, So yeah, I So he did

(01:01:20):
move out eventually, or the family moved out, And not
that there's always any kind of reason to have a
paper trail on a house, but was there ever any
research into history of the house or what happened on
the land, you know, those timeless questions that we have
about land and houses.

Speaker 3 (01:01:44):
Ad much that I would write the state or was
or was not? Unfortunately and what and did work? It
really interesting actually, so after they had moved out, because
at this time when we were there, this house was
like a like a one house, one family house. Basically,

(01:02:06):
as soon as he left, this house got turned into
a three family house. And from that point on all
nothing ever happened. Again, nobody claimed to have had any
experiences or anything. It was almost like whatever with there,

(01:02:27):
like left with them or something. Because it gets weirder
because my ever since then Justin has never had any
sort of weird experiences after so I'm wondering if whatever
this was, what part of that property. But because it

(01:02:50):
got turned into a three bedroom house, it didn't know
what to do anymore because there were too many people.

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
So that's cool. So he went back at some point
or maybe you guys did, and spoke to some of
the folks that had moved into this this duplex situation.

Speaker 3 (01:03:08):
Yeah, I wouldn't say I went we went there, but
like we were contacted from people that have gone or
that that did live there. Because I one day, like
when I started the whole Haunted Vermont thing, I remembered
these stories and I went to like the road and

(01:03:28):
I pulled over for a minute, and I snapped a
photo and I posted in under the Haunted Vermont thing.
And that's where I learned that, you know, the current
owner were like, man, I wish I had a goat
that would clean up and throw stuff in the closet
and stuff because it's ridiculous stuff like that. But yeah,

(01:03:51):
that's how I found out that there were absolutely no
more activity. And when I asked him about, you know,
where they were now there, he had nothing. There's no activity.

Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
See. And that's interesting, right, Paul, because we talk about
stories of when you remodel a home, or even if
you tear up outside you put a garden in or something,
you can kick activity up. But if you take a
haunted space and you wall it up, you add walls,
and you make it to where it's separate family living,

(01:04:27):
then in some cases it sounds like it actually shuts
down the activity.

Speaker 3 (01:04:34):
Right, and it does, and then you hear where it's
a rundown quake, and as soon as you start to
do restoration to it, it's like the house comes to life.

Speaker 2 (01:04:46):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (01:04:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
It is interesting also that especially since the iHeart Justin
and I mean it immediately goes to female energy. Obviously
that as you say, he was never followed. But you know,
we don't know about that side of things. It might
take a certain amount of power or whatever whatever they

(01:05:10):
need to follow a person that they are focused on. Right,
maybe there was there as certain boundaries that they just
cannot cross, and going with the family and with Justin
just wasn't something they were able to.

Speaker 3 (01:05:23):
Do, right, And that's the thing that just drives me, right,
just ponders me, is why did the activity stop? Whether
the actually justin family, would one of them, maybe the
potageist or you know, the haunted one per se or
maybe it wasn't the property. Maybe it was one of them,
but they didn't realize that. I mean, there's so many

(01:05:48):
theories that we could say about these experiences, but unfortunately
I don't know because the parents never talked and the
sister really didn't really talk to us about what she
has said or had happened per day.

Speaker 2 (01:06:04):
Yeah, that's a cool thought that maybe it was justin
himself and being there was like a perfect storm of
maybe something. Maybe there was water underground, some kind of
an an aqueduct and there because of the flowing water,
or there's granite or lime in the substrate somewhere, that
it became this amplifier. And then he became essentially a receiver.

(01:06:28):
And then once he left that spot, he wasn't anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:06:32):
Right, And I mean think he is on a farm.
They do have those water tank whatever else that could
possibly produce some sort of energy, So I mean, it
wouldn't surprive me. And again that's where I wish I
knew more about the property because I'd like to know
what out is there that would be considered maybe like

(01:06:53):
what type of minerals are around even that could maybe
be causing the battery effect.

Speaker 2 (01:07:00):
Well, and let's face it, you guys on on that
side of the classroom have a longer history, and in
a very dark history in some cases right of battles
and things that have gone on that are not not
so positive from not always positive. So who knows what
might have gone on on that land. But that's all

(01:07:21):
such interesting stuff. And I would I'm sure that Justin,
I guess in a way because all that wasn't I mean,
you guys moving on the bed that very first experience
is really weird because especially was it Justin that ended
up on the floor. Yes, I mean you tend to.

(01:07:45):
I mean, yeah, kids sleep heavily, but for all three
of you guys to not remember moving positions so I
mean blatantly, especially poor Justin's on the damn floor, I
mean you would think that one of you would go, well, yeah,
my neck was blah blah blah, I was sleeping onto
this or that, so I moved, But none of you

(01:08:06):
guys remember doing that.

Speaker 3 (01:08:07):
It's weird, and that's what I mean. And it's like, well,
if you really think about it with the way out.
There's no way Justin could have gotten out of bed
because his futon bed or whatever it was, his Kingside
bet or pretty example here, I guess I'll just say,

(01:08:29):
like it's right up against that window. So mainly like
in order for Justin and if he even wanted to
get out of bed, he would have to throw off
his covers and then he would have to almost like
army crawl down the side there just to get out
of bed, or if he felt brassive enough, he would

(01:08:50):
have to try to step over us. And again I
just would say, I'll be signs of we should feel
and hear this and everything else. So especially I wouldn't
want to try to get up on a bed and
try to climb over two other people, especially with one
being right at the edge of the bed, right by

(01:09:11):
the floor, because for you know, we don't want somebody
to get tripped on. And then you know, you go
face first on the floor from the.

Speaker 2 (01:09:19):
Bed well, and you said you don't like windows, so
you wouldn't have consciously woken up and gone I want
to go sleep over here by the window. Paul, have
you has anything ever come up in your mind about
why you don't like windows.

Speaker 3 (01:09:36):
Oh I'm fine about windows now, but at the time
I get to clarify, I guess it's like, so, I
have like a syroid problem. So sometimes if I'm right
by a window at night time and it's really cold out,
it like affects my body temperature to the point where

(01:09:56):
like my thyroid will basically make me be come sick.
I will get a cold or cougher, you know, or
I my stomach will almost start feeling like it's got
an upset stomach. So that's why I really didn't try
to go near the window, because I just didn't know

(01:10:17):
what it was gonna do to me.

Speaker 2 (01:10:20):
Yeah, that makes sense. Well, Paul, before I let you
go talk about your podcast where everybody can find it,
and then what what do you guys have going on
over a haunted Vermont dot or all of that stuff?
Let everybody know.

Speaker 3 (01:10:35):
Yeah, so haunted my dot org is basically all the
stories I have collected throughout the Green Mountain, because why not,
they're fun. I like to try to figure out what
is available anymore or still around and not like quote
down or whatever, which unfortunately some of these locations have,

(01:10:56):
but just my way of keeping their story is alive,
And as far as that goes, I go out and
I try to do my best to explore, make videos
for YouTube, just try to show some of these poiss off,
and I try to conduct my own investigation just to
see if there's anything still linger in there, per se

(01:11:19):
everything else. And as far as like the podcast goes,
I started that in twenty seventeen and just to basically,
again just connect with people to share their encounter, whether
it be inside the Green Mountains or outside. But I
also been getting fascinated and learned more that I never

(01:11:41):
would have thought of as a way to basically help
people maybe help understand and look at things differently. If
that makes any sense.

Speaker 2 (01:11:52):
And the name of the podcast is also Haunted Vermont
correct excellent. I will make sure all of that is
linked in the show notes for this episode. Paul, thank
you so much for reaching out and coming on. It's
been a pleasure to talk to you.

Speaker 3 (01:12:06):
You'd well, Shannon, thank you, well.

Speaker 6 (01:12:12):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 5 (01:12:12):
So I was given the name by my parents. My business.
I've out of college, I've done these things as my
professional and I've produce a little bark, but it says
forget it. That's that's something for story. That's all gone,
that's all passed. I want to see them really you
who are now when nobody knows who their names because

(01:12:34):
we don't know ourselves except for listening to our egis
and consulting our mems. But that that's a really when
that again needs expected, this question who are you?

Speaker 3 (01:12:50):
That is to be.

Speaker 5 (01:12:53):
We shall see how they play with this example by
the cost to get you to come out show.

Speaker 6 (01:13:01):
Foss steps, it's.

Speaker 4 (01:13:35):
It's it's past its.

Speaker 7 (01:13:55):
Example quite divide.

Speaker 5 (01:14:57):
They say, no, we don't believe literally in.

Speaker 8 (01:14:59):
Really our nation that after your funeral to go you
will sadly become saddly different, there being somewhere else.

Speaker 5 (01:15:10):
They will say. Reincarnation means this that if you sitting
here now are really convinced that you're the same.

Speaker 4 (01:15:16):
Person that bolding at the door half an hour.

Speaker 6 (01:15:19):
Ago, you'll be being conned.

Speaker 5 (01:15:22):
If you're liberating with mans now that you're gone. The
past hasn't been at the future hasn't been tistence.

Speaker 7 (01:15:31):
There is only the present.

Speaker 4 (01:15:33):
That's the only.

Speaker 5 (01:15:34):
Amenia that the Isa then master don't get on. Bas In,
the spring does not become samthing.

Speaker 8 (01:15:44):
First there is sammath, and then there is springless.

Speaker 4 (01:16:19):
It's it's it's less, it's.

Speaker 5 (01:16:42):
It's it's.

Speaker 4 (01:17:38):
T s isn't.

Speaker 5 (01:17:39):
That's the same idea where he says, when you settled
down in the train to read your newspapers, and you're
not the same person.

Speaker 6 (01:17:51):
The plan.

Speaker 5 (01:17:54):
If you think you are, you are linking your movements
up in the chair. This is what bind sees. The
wee both in there. When you know that every moment
of which you are is the only moment this comes
into is the master will say from somebody, I cannot
have a book across the room and it can't be back,

(01:18:15):
And he says, where are your foot? They've gone? So
where are you?

Speaker 3 (01:18:22):
Who are you?

Speaker 5 (01:18:24):
When we are asked who we are, we usually give
a kind of recitation of an instrum strains instr