iNTO THE FRAY: 527 The Unseen Kind

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The infinite complaces people went to and pro fears about
their little affairs, serene in the assurance of their dominion
over this small binning fragment of solar driftwood, which, by
chance or design, man has inherited out of the dark
mystery of time and face.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
On this episode of Into the Pray, I welcome Barry
back on with me, and this is part five. We
are going to be talking about some of his workplaces
that happened to be haunted, and I'm interested to hear
if some of that was residual from some of the
other places that we've talked about, maybe had something to
do with him, or if it has to do with
the places or the other people there, I should say themselves.

(01:26):
So we've covered the House of Ivy, We've covered synchronicities
and psychic and preminitional dreams. We've covered his teenage years,
which he actually named himself in just the notes that
were there, the Field of Screams.

Speaker 3 (01:45):
I stayed with that.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
One, and then part one was the Boogeyman. So we
are going to be talking about a whole nother section
of your life today.

Speaker 3 (01:56):
Berry. Welcome back.

Speaker 4 (01:59):
Thank you, Shannon. Glad to be here.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
And I wanted to say that if I don't think
the people maybe the I mean, they can skip around
of course, no problem. But I told you before we
officially started recording that something odd happened to the the file.
The SD card with my side of that recording now
will be muffled because I had to use the stream

(02:23):
Yard audio.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
So I apologized to folks.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
It was not something that I knew was gonna happen
until after I tried to pull from the SD card.
So anyway, hopefully this time they will get the SD
card audio and not the Streamyard audio.

Speaker 3 (02:38):
I don't know why Streamyard does that. It did me
dirty berry with.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
The audio on my side because I had to use
the backup recording. Anyhow, I'm sure it will be fine
this time, but welcome back. I know that up to
this point, I mean, I do feel like at this
point it probably is best to people.

Speaker 3 (02:57):
Did move through.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
Your episodes in succession, because I do think that things
tend to tie in, and there do seem to be
things that are of course connected, but I would imagine
it's not.

Speaker 3 (03:12):
Always a prerequisite.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
So I don't know where you felt like we should
start for this one, but it looks like something called
the Old Warehouse is very first on the list.

Speaker 4 (03:25):
Yeah, okay, Well, in the last episode with Ivy, you know,
I talk about how my life and I moved from
South Florida up to Central Florida and began a new
life here, which also included new jobs. So you know,

(03:46):
if I'm going to buy a haunt at home, I
might as well find a job where there's a haunting
going on in that as well. Why not? You know,
my goodness, I'd say I'd have either the absolute worst
luck or the best luck, depending on what perspective you
have on this. But I mean, the odds of these
things happening seemed improbable, and yet they happened to me.

(04:09):
You know. I know that when I was working down
in South Florida on a couple of film sets on
locations I believe, there were rumors that there were hauntings
going on, and one of them was in an old
mansion that they were filming on that was supposedly owned
by an elderly woman that was a princess down in

(04:30):
Miami in this very exclusive neighborhood. But the mansion was
all worn down and you know, neglected, and the film
crew has got permission to film in there, and the
entire the crew and everybody felt like they were being
negatively affected. But you know, and there was another case

(04:55):
where I worked in a film in one of the
old Deco hotels that was kind of I don't know
that it was abandoned, but it was well, it was
neglected and closed down for it's probably been renovated by
now because those properties are worth so much. But at
the time we were filming back in the nineties, it
was a very creepy empty place. It was run down,

(05:18):
and everybody in there was getting a vibe. But I
can't say that anything specifically happened to me other than again,
just getting a weird vibe and as everybody else was
on those sets. But we moved up to Central Florida.
I had acquired a couple part time jobs in the beginning.

(05:39):
Then a great work opportunity came my way, and so
I ended up being hired by a company that had
was into the entertainment and museum industries, and my job
was to design and create museum figures, which was a

(06:03):
dream job really, not that I other things that I
was doing was interesting, but you know, a good steady
interesting job that gave me a lot of create creative opportunities.
And the company had just moved down to Central Florida
and was setting up in our department. So I came

(06:23):
in at the very beginning, which was incredible timing as well,
and actually psychic predicted that I was going to find
that job. So anyways, so we were moving into an
old warehouse and the you know, it's funny, the look
of the warehouse reminded me of some of those old

(06:44):
Hollywood studio images that were like big sound stages some
from the outside of the warehouse. It was built in
the sometime in the nineteen forties. You know, it just
was kind of an interesting place. It was south of
the downtown area, and it was right next to some

(07:06):
railroad tracks. And what I found out when we were
moving in was that it had been an orange juice
processing plant at one time, and that the entire neighborhood
was at one point time orange orchards, orange tree orchards.

(07:27):
Of course, all that was gone by the time we
moved in there. And then that was in the sometime
in the nineteen nineties. I worked at this location for
about seven years or so. I think I moved began
working there in nineteen ninety three, and so we moved
in and we were setting up shop and the you know,

(07:52):
we had acquired a whole bunch of old wax museum figures,
which are very creepy within themselves, so you know, just
to make things even creepier. If it wasn't already kind
of a creepy place, you kind of got a weird
vibe going in there. It just it was a bit

(08:13):
of a strange old building and had a mezzanine, and
you know, and we had a lot of storage stuff
and costumes and other odd props and things around there
that we were unloading and putting on shelves and so forth,

(08:33):
and so you know, there were as time went on,
and there was all a brand new crew that was
hired in there, which was interesting to say the least.
As well, get a bunch of creative people and they
don't know one another, and throw them all together at
one place. We were separated from the corporate offices and

(08:59):
in our own little world over there. You know, there
were workers that were working underneath the mezzanine. They had
set up a few different workstations in there. We called
that the clean room because there was a big shop area.
Then there was just a big open work area for

(09:20):
you know, some of the more industrial type of things
that we were doing. And then there was what we
called the clean room, and there were a couple of
different areas. There was a costume department and hair and
painting and stuff in that area. And they were claiming
that they were hearing footsteps up above in the mezzanine
when everybody was accounted for down on the floor a

(09:43):
number of times. And I didn't think too much about it, really,
but I thought it was interesting. Then one day I
was working at a big work table in the center
of the area work area. It is a pretty good
sized shop, and I had a coworker on the other
opposite side of the table working on something and I

(10:08):
actually what was a leg, like a human leg, a
mannequin leg that was for a figure that I was
working on, and it was laying on the table and
we were just sitting there working and this leg flew

(10:29):
off of the table on its own. I wasn't even
touching it, nor where's the other person? Flew off the
table on its own and landed about ten twelve feet
away from us on the floor. We were the only
ones that saw it, but it was a shock. I
think other people heard it hit the floor, but you know,

(10:51):
we were just dumbfounded as to what in the world
just happened. And of course my mind was just like, oh, crap,
here we go again kind of thing. But I was
also angry because I was working on that and the
last thing I need is something to get broken when
I had things to get done. So but my co
worker she looked at me and said, did you just

(11:12):
see that? And you know, I was just like, the
leg fly off the table and hit the floor.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (11:19):
I was like, no, we didn't see that, but we were. Yeah,
we were pretty stunned about that. That was a good
indicator something was wrong with the place, so that, you know,
I didn't have a lot of it was most of
the time it felt like you were being watched. But again,
you have some old museum figures around and wax heads

(11:42):
on the shelves and stuff. You got eyes staring at
you from all places. And there's times when I've scared
my own self by moving a figure somewhere and then
turning around and it was there, or a co worker
playing a joke on you. But we ended up having
the kind of an ongoing little joke that the ghost
was somebody that fell into the orange juice bat and

(12:05):
had the pulp squeezed out of them. Kind of silly
stuff like that. It sounds juvenile, but you know, you
amuse yourself with laughter when you're uncomfortable at times, I guess,
but you know, we there were just these quirky little
things that were going on there. One day. It was
really a lot more uncomfortable when you're in there by yourself,

(12:30):
which didn't happen often, but there were times when I
would be in there on a weekend doing something to
get something finished. One day, I was in the in
there on a it was a nice day out, and
I rolled up the roll up door to the place
and I was in there working by myself, and somewhere

(12:51):
along the line, this elderly German man walked up. Surprise
kind of startled me. Actually, I turned around and saw
very tall, very old man there, and he had a
German accent, and I said, oh, hell, can I help you,
you know? And he said I was here when this

(13:14):
place was built. And I was like, oh, when was that?
And he told me it was sometime in nineteen forties,
and you know, I can't remember. It was early to
mid nineteen forties. And I thought, oh, wow, you want
to come in and look, and he said, oh no,
I just I just stopped by to take a look
or something. And I thought it was kind of weird,

(13:37):
but I was interesting. I thought, oh, who's that old guy?
And you know, what was the deal? I would have
liked to have asked him more questions, maybe, but I
was busy and he didn't want to intrude. I guess
there was nothing paranormal about that at all. But not
too long after that, I found out that the owners

(14:02):
of the property were going to build another building. We
were actually parking our cars in a field at that
point in time, which was kind of an annoying thing
in some ways, end up with ants in your car
or something. But that was where we were parking our
cars in this field, next to this old warehouse that
was on the next to a old train track. They

(14:27):
decided they were going to build another new warehouse on
the property. And one day I came to work in
the morning and I saw the crime scene unit there.
The CSI crime scene investigator people were there and they
had some stuff taped off, and I was like, whoa

(14:47):
what and the heck is going on here? You know?
You know, I didn't want to pry while they were there,
of course, they were busy doing their thing. But later
I saw the landlord and I asked him, Hey, what
was going on over there? And he told me something
very interesting. He said, well, they believed that the it

(15:09):
was a skeleton they found, and they believed that it
was a the remains of a German prisoner of war.
And I was like, a German prisoner of war? What
the world? You know? And he told me that the
warehouse was built by German prisoners of war during World

(15:34):
War Two, which I had never heard of anything like
this before. It was all new to me, and that
there were orange juice orchards and these prisoners worked the
orange juice fields or the orange fields, and then picked
the oranges and they processed them in this plant that

(15:55):
they built the building for, and they loaded up the
train with products to ship out all over the place.
They were canning the orange juice. You know, I don't
know what, you know all exactly the whole procedure that
was going on there, but it was it was quite
a process. Apparently that was happening there. And so after

(16:18):
that conversation, I looked up the history of that, which
is kind of a hidden history, and I found out
that there were actually a lot of German prisoners in
the state of Florida alone. There were over ten thousand
German prisoners of war and a couple of different camps

(16:39):
that they would send out and have them work for labor.
They were, you know, the America was part of the
Geneva Convention or something, so these prisoners were treated a
lot better here in America than they would have been
in Russia or something. But it was quite a surprise,

(17:00):
and I don't know, you know, how they were treated.
But somebody died and instead of they buried them right
there on the property. So that was kind of interesting.
So we may have had Germans speaking ghosts or maybe
you could say Poultergeists or whatever in this place because

(17:21):
they that was interesting. I thought.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
Was there a thought that there were more skeletons, possibly
underneath the actual warehouse or where you guys were parking
your cars and things.

Speaker 4 (17:35):
Well that certainly crossed my mind more than once, so,
you know, but nobody, you know, it's like they showed up,
they removed the bones. I'm wondering if they found some
kind of a you know, I don't know if the
German prisoners were some kind of identification tag or anything like,

(17:55):
you know, our soldiers have dog tags or what would
make them know that it was German? You know, how
would they How did they know was there clothing still there?
There must have been some reason that they came to
that conclusion. And again, how what a surprise this was.
I had never heard of anything like this, But apparently

(18:17):
all across our country there were many you know, because
we were short for so many young men, uh and women,
we went off to war, mostly the men and the
women had to try to do all the labor work.
As we know Rosie the Riveter kind of a thing
going on here. And so they sent these Germans here

(18:41):
and had them working in these labor camps with German
generals or you know, higher ranking Germans officers in charge
of them, which is really bizarre, you know, the whole
thing kind of like wow, who knew? But uh so
it makes you wonder, Yeah, I mean, how many people

(19:02):
they're They're like, we're not going to ship these bodies back,
I guess so you know, makes you wonder how many
these soldiers probably all over the are you know, probably
I don't know if there was ever anything that happened
later on to try to bring any of these bodies back.
But in this case, they're in Florida, on this orange

(19:22):
plantation and they buried somebody right there on the property,
so they're there very well.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
Could have been more, very sad and very horrible way
to treat people, I'm sure when hopefully they as you say,
they were probably treated better over here than they would
have been, but they're still prisoners, so not not happy
stories anyway, shape or form. And then they were treated
that way after death, to just interred where they happened

(19:53):
to be what you can call living at the time.
I guess they were breathing, but they probably didn't feel
like they were.

Speaker 4 (19:59):
Living well, you know, I'm sure that being in battle
in war, and of course they were, you know, the
Germans caused a lot of damage to a lot of people.
And we won't get into wall the whole war thing,
but anybody who yeah, this has got to be a
very strange scenario, and imagine it for them to come

(20:23):
down to the sweltering heat of Florida had to be
quite a punishment in itself, and I'm sure that there
was no air conditioning. No I did here. I read
that there was an uproar by these prisoners at one
point when they were they wanted cigarettes or something, and

(20:44):
they were trying to either take keep them from having
their cigarettes, or or cutting back with them or something,
and they made a stance of some kind and wanted
to get their cigarettes. But other than that, from what
you know, there's not a lot to find. But I

(21:05):
did read a number of articles on that after the
after I found this out, and it was pretty big surprise.
So yeah, you know, and then you wonder in this
juice plant, I mean, I'm sure there was all kinds
of equipment, and you know, easy ways to get injured
or killed in the building itself or on the property.

(21:27):
So you know, how that person died, I don't know,
and they didn't, you know, nobody talked to me about
the I would love to have talked to the medical
examiners or an anthropologist to see what condition and how
they think maybe this person may have died, if anything

(21:48):
indication from the skeletal remains, because I just I am
interested in all that stuff, that forensic stuff, you know,
but yeah, it was kind of weird, like we were
walking right over this person's by, you know, to get
into the building basically, And so that's kind of an
interesting thing, and you know makes you wonder, you know,

(22:08):
that day that that thing flew off the table, you know,
everything was just another a normal day, but something obviously
wanted to let us know that it was there. Otherwise
why would they have done it?

Speaker 2 (22:21):
And there's no thinking that the gentleman that actually came
up and talked to you is you already kind of
said it, but you're pretty much one hundred percent that
that was an actual person that wasn't some kind of
a full body, solid apparition.

Speaker 5 (22:35):
No.

Speaker 4 (22:36):
Yeah, this man was very elderly, so he would have
age wise been a young man at that location and
either a he came on vacation to come back, or
he moved to the United States somewhere along the line.
And you know, I don't know, I didn't have a

(22:58):
long enough conversation. I just thought it was kind of
when when the other thing happened, that's when I tied
it in, you know, because I didn't think that much
about some old guy peeking in because what we were
doing was kind of interesting. But we were not like
in the main high road, right, We were off this
off on our little owned place. So how somebody just

(23:21):
comes upon it. So this man purposefully came to look
at that specific place. You know, I didn't. Again, I
didn't think a heck of a lot about it at
the time. But later, after I found out about the
bones and was told about German soldiers, all of a
sudden it clicked and went, oh my gosh, I think

(23:42):
that that gentleman must have been one of the German
soldiers that was working there at that time. He was
for an old elderly man. He was quite tall, very thin,
but yes, and he still had a German accent after
all these years. But again, he may have been living

(24:03):
in Germany and came on coming on vacation. I don't.
I don't really know, but that that was interesting, I think.
To say the least that you know, we got I
would have been trying to speak in German splicking see
Deutsche hello, you know. But anyways, you know, again, a
lot of just quirky little things would happen. I actually

(24:26):
one time had to get up in the middle of
the night and drive down to this place, and it
was creepy and eerie because the area that it was
in was very dark. It was near the train tracks,
no not very many lights around. There might have been
one light out outside of the building. Had woken up
in the middle of the night and realized that I

(24:48):
thought that I left a heating element on to that
had like a double boiler type of a thing, and
basically I was making wax museum figures, so I had
a that of wax with water as in there to

(25:09):
melt the wax down, and a heating element was in
this thing. But I really I suddenly had this horrible
thought that I left the may have left it on.
And it was like two o'clock in the morning, and
finally my wife said, just go down there. My god,
you're gonna You're not gonna sleep anyway, and uh, sure enough,
when I got there in the middle of the night,

(25:31):
which was really quite creepy just being outside of the
building because you don't know who you might run into.
Uh out there, but going into the building was very
unnerving at night with all the creepy stuff in there.
But when I got there, the place was filling up
with smoke, and I realized that I got there just

(25:53):
in time before that place may have ignited and it
would have been a really terrible tragedy situation. So thank
god I got there when I did, turned off the
equipment and opened up the doors and let the smoke out,
and luckily sprinkler system didn't get triggered. Because right next

(26:15):
door to that department was a warehouse from our company
that housed all kinds of extremely valuable and very bizarre items.
And that's the next thing about this, oh, this whole

(26:38):
thing about working in this location, I've had the opportunity
to see and handle some of the world's most strangest
artifacts and items anybody could wish to do. As a
person who curious, that's very curious, it was a big
plus for me to have a chance to see all

(26:58):
these things in person. But on the other hand, I
never really thought too much about the energy that these
things might be holding, you know. But we had, my goodness,
all kinds of antiquities, weapons, three of all different cultures
and time spans, art works. There was human remains, skulls

(27:28):
like carved Tibetan skull bowls, ritualistic items, carvings, African hate gods.
I mean, there were some really very bizarre things in there. Again,
a lot of ceremonial and religious artifacts of different kinds.

(27:50):
There were mummified remains, some types of things like that
Egyptian or other types of mummified things Peru being mummies
and so on. So this place taxidermie, animals, lots of
lots of very strange items. And you know, I enjoyed,

(28:14):
like I say, seeing all these things and so forth.
You know, I did notice that there were many times
when I was in that warehouse that I would feel ill.
I would start to feel ill, and I never knew
why my equiliverum would could be off, and I it's
breaking out in a sweat or something sometimes, and you
know it was I didn't didn't really think about it

(28:38):
one hundred percent except for a thought, is my inner
ear or something, you know. But one day, we seemed
like every time there was a truck that came to
deliver something, they would come to us and ask us
to help load or unload the trucks. And even though

(28:58):
you know, being that we were attached to the warehouse,
the art department, the guys in the art department and
some of the girls would be brought in to help
out with some of these tasks. So one day we
were asked to open up in some crates and me
and one other guy were in the warehouse and we

(29:22):
had these There was these big wooden crates. It's like
a horror movie situation. Were opening these crates up with
some pride bars and it's filled with this I don't
know they call it. It was like wood shavings. It
looks like hey kind of but it's I think it's
all wood shavings. There's a name for it. But anyways,

(29:43):
we were pulling this stuff out of there and looking
at it, and one of the items that I opened
up and took out it said something like which doctor's
trophy skull? And this thing was really really freaky. I mean,
I don't know. I think it may have been from
the Diac tribe or something, but it had this thing

(30:07):
was it had exotic feathers, bores, teeth, monkey's skulls, and
and it was stained and paint. I don't know what.
It was just really creepy, uh looking thing may have
had like intricate beadwork and woven fibers into it and

(30:31):
so forth. It was it was really interesting. And you know,
of course again I like weird things, but it definitely
had a vibe going on to it. And of course you're,
you know, we're looking at it. And I pointed it
out to my coworker and I said, hey, man, look
at this, saying this is crazy. And there was on

(30:55):
the side of the skull there was a hole that
looked like somebody had been bashed in the head at
one point in time and that's probably how they died.
The guy sitting next to me goes, oh, bet you there.
You don't bet, you don't dare to put your finger
in that hole. So and to me, being a goofy guy,
I should have known him better really to to do

(31:16):
something like this, But I went and put my finger
in the hole to this gull. He looked at me
and goes, you're cursed, and I was like, hah ha ha.
And then, you know, all of a sudden, I thought
to myself, why the heck did I do that. I
shouldn't have done that, you know. And then I was like, oh,
if you don't believe it, then you don't, you know,

(31:38):
you don't have to worry about it kind of thing.
But I admit it bothered me a bit, and I thought, man,
you know, I really really need to be more careful
about that kind of thing. But I mean there were
shrunken heads. I mean there were all kinds of very
bizarre things. One of the items that I picked up

(31:59):
one time that I believe made directly made me ill
was a skull and it was from like the medieval times,
and it had all kinds of magical engraved magic symbols
on it, including some type of a pentagram. I should

(32:23):
know better than to pick up such things, but I did,
and I instantly got very dizzy. I felt like I
was going to vomb and I ran outside to get
some air, and I broke out in a cold sweat.
I really felt like that. At that point, I started

(32:43):
to think, Wow, I think something happened where I was
affected by the actual object. And you know, I noticed
course other times going through there and getting a chill.
There were torture devices in there, and stuff like an
iron maiden from Nuremberg and things that would just give
me the wheelie would walk by and I'd feel a

(33:06):
shiver go up my spine when I would go past them.
So we had not only dead German prisoners roaming around,
and whoever else may have worked there that or shoot
processing plant that may have been injured or died there.
And then we also had all these strange objects that

(33:27):
many of which held power or held some kind of
energies next door to us.

Speaker 2 (33:36):
Yeah, I would imagine the second that you just from
touching such an object, you get dizzy or nauseous. You're going, okay,
not going to be going near that again.

Speaker 4 (33:49):
Yeah you think so, But you know, I'm still it's
weird because despite everything I've been through, and I still
sometimes feel skeptical or I look at things with a
skeptical approach, you know. So I'm like, you know, maybe
it was just a coincidence or you know, I don't know,
there's I kind of knew. But the same token, there

(34:11):
was a point where I thought to myself, hmm, maybe
I should start to refrain from touching everything. You know. Well, interestingly,
I it sounds like I've been to many psychics through
you know, I've been to a probably I don't know
ten times I've had a reading done maybe, and a
few of them were bogus where I got ripped off,

(34:32):
I'm pretty sure. But I went to go to a psychic,
and it was at Cassadega here in Florida, which is
connected to lily Dale, which is in Cassadega, New York.
This was like their winter retreat down here at one
point in time, so that place has been their spiritualist camp.

(34:54):
And again I was skeptical, but so I thought, I'm
not going to tell this psychic any thing. When I
go in there, I'm going to make them tell me something,
because I'm not going to just feed all the information
to them and have them regurgitate it back at me
and go, Okay, here you go, here's some money. And
so I walked in there and almost immediately the lady

(35:18):
looked at me and she goes, do you work with antiquities?
And my mind, I'm thinking no, I'm an artist, you know,
So I went no, we seemed pretty obvious, but I
just wasn't thinking that relevant. She goes, that's really interesting
because I see you handling some very strange and unusual antiquities.

(35:43):
And once she said that, Alsodden, I went, oh duh, yeah,
I went oh yeah, because a lot of times I
had to repair these things, you know, I mean they
were you know, so or get them packed up and
you know or whatever, you know, fix things, clean things up,
and so far. Anyways, she said, I have to ask

(36:06):
you again, why am I seeing you handling such dark,
such strange and unusual and dark antiquities then and then
I'll send them out. Oh it's from my work. I

(36:27):
work for a museum company. And she just looked at
me and went, you are a sensitive and some of
this stuff has a lot of really really negative energy
attached to it. And she goes, you, you really need
to be careful about this. You're you know, she said,

(36:48):
do you don't you feel I went, well, I yeah,
I've gotten sick a number of times when I'm in
in there. And she goes, well, that's you know, ear.
Those are warnings to you is to be careful. So
I thought to myself, Wow, okay, it was pretty amazing

(37:09):
that this lady picked up on this. So at that point,
after I thought to myself, okay, I'm not maybe, I
was like, if I wear rubber gloves, would that make
a difference. I mean, that's not much of a protection
when you got a spiritual something spiritual roaming around in
the building to you know, get mad at you or something,

(37:31):
because you're handling their skull or whatever. But I was,
that's my mentality at the time, just going, how can
I do this work without, you know, actually touching this stuff.
So but I decided I was going to try to
refrain from that a bit.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
So did that help then to not touch things quite
as much?

Speaker 4 (37:54):
Well, I'm sure, I'm sure it did, you know, except
for the problem is that there's no way I could
be there and not do that. But except for you know,
before I was like, oh let me look at this,
let me touch that, I was getting more selective and
a little more cautious, and I was putting on some

(38:16):
gloves to try to make some barrier between my flesh
connecting with some of these items. But you know, a
lot of times, hey, we need help. So after seeing
the psychic, I ended up one day was in there
working in a truck. Showed up and they're like, hey,

(38:38):
can you help us unload this truck? Oh gosh, here
we go again. Of course, I was younger buck back
in those days, so you know, I was asked to
do a lot of that kind of thing. So we
were carrying in a bunch of furniture and some other items,
and then there was a I was just going about

(38:59):
doing my you know, just doing whatever to help get
this truck unloaded. And there ended up being an old, big,
old tank of a car, like early nineteen fifties car
that was part of this shipment. And the guys asked

(39:19):
me to get inside behind the wheel while they pushed
the thing into the building and had me steer it
in the building. While I was in the car, I
rolled the window down and I said, so, what's the
story with this car? And they said, these are Lee
Harvey Oswald's belongings and this car was I think it

(39:43):
was his neighbor's car that they drove to the book
deposit school book deposit place in Texas where he shot Kennedy.
So I thought, I'm not just touching an item. I
am enveloped inside an item, inside something right now, I mean,

(40:06):
I mean, I mean caged into this, uh, this vehicle
that Lee Harvey Hoswald somehow smuggled the gun in with
this neighbor. I think he had. I looked it up,
and he had something. He made it look like he
was something was wrapped up in paper, but he's I
don't know what he was telling people that it was.

(40:28):
But he walked into work with that, but the neighbor guy,
our coworker, drove him in this particular car and from
what I can't remember the type of car it was,
but a big, big, old black vehicle, I think. Anyways,
that moment, at that point in time, it just hit

(40:48):
me that I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm not just
touching something, I'm inside it. So that that was interesting.
We we had worked there for like seven years or so,
and then we ended up moving the entire warehouse to
a newer building that was attached to the corporate offices
and stuff. And again you're still working next to all

(41:13):
these strange items. So, you know, things seemed like I
had this. I knew that there. I still was feeling
ill when I would go into the warehouse area, especially
in certain areas more so than others, and so I
knew that there was you know, at that point, I knew.

(41:36):
But of course, you know, if you try to say
something to people, they're like, well, yeah, all right, you know,
so I just kept quiet about it for the most part.
You know, when you have you got items like a
shrunken head. I mean, these these were people who were
ritually murdered you know, and then there was a spell

(42:00):
casts and a ritualistic process of shrinking the head, and
the whole point of it was to capture the soul
of that person and own that person's soul and take
that power from them and harness it for yourself. And
these you know, some of these tribes, I mean, they

(42:20):
these things. They really put a lot of energy and
into those items, which is you know, no wonder the
stuff is haunted, you know, Barry.

Speaker 2 (42:30):
I wanted to say really quickly because I like to
debunk when I can, and when I hear it live
and I believe, and you can confirm or deny.

Speaker 3 (42:39):
But I think that.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
A few minutes ago, a couple of minutes ago, there
was someone talking, probably in your house somewhere, and I
just wanted to bring that up and say that that's
not some kind of an EVP or something like that.

Speaker 3 (42:50):
Is that the case?

Speaker 4 (42:52):
Oh, I'm sorry, Yeah, that's okay.

Speaker 3 (42:54):
I just like to bring it up. It's not a
big deal. It's not I don't even hear it anymore.

Speaker 2 (42:57):
It was just a couple of instances where I heard
someone in the background, so I wanted to bring that up.

Speaker 4 (43:02):
Sorry, Yeah, I asked everybody to try to be quiet.
But it's as probably was my son in the back.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
Yeah, no, that that's totally fine. I just you know,
if I hear it live. I just wanted to bring
it up so that people are not reaching out there's
ghosties in your recording as I'm going Nope, not this time.

Speaker 4 (43:20):
That one time I heard the voice in my headphones.
But sorry about that.

Speaker 3 (43:25):
Yeah no, no, no, no, that's okay. I'd just like
to let everybody.

Speaker 4 (43:28):
Know I appreciate it. Yeah. So anyways, you know, there
there were these these crazy items there. So one time
I decided to go through the building or through the
warehouse with a little EMF meter just out of curiosity.

(43:50):
When I did, there were a handful of items that
really went crazy when I put the meter up near them.
You know, there were a lot of other items I
didn't really I thought that I would get something from
and you know, might have get a little blip here

(44:10):
and there, But there were some that just really went
gonzo when the meter was up near them. But I
made sure I looked around. There was no wiring or
anything like that, no electronics around where those items were
or anything to trigger anything to make that response. So

(44:34):
something was going on. One of those was the that
witch Doctor's trophy's skull, which was sitting up on a
shelf which was radiating a lot of energy, and a
couple other things were a couple of shrunken heads, which
was disturbing to say the least, and they were in

(44:56):
a drawer, and there were others there as well, but
two of them specifically seemed to make have a big
response to the thing. And one of them was not
your typical shrunken heads. It was more of a I

(45:17):
think they're back at the time when some of these
were being made. I think they were originally enemies that
were killed in the junk, you know, out in Ecuador
and in Peru. But then a tourist or I guess

(45:40):
you could call it a tourist trade, which is really bizarre.
Collectible collectors from Europe saw these shrunken heads and they
wanted to bring them back to Europe or maybe to
the Americas, and so people were being murdered in order
to uh fill that so they could trade for guns

(46:01):
or money or whatever it was that they were supplies
of some kind. And so this particular shrunken head, instead
of having the long black hair and the you know,
the typical look that you think of from Havaro shrunk
an head. It had a beard, had short hair. It

(46:22):
was gray beard and short gray hair and a mustache.
It did not look it was not done in the
same technique. It didn't seem to be. So that was
interesting and it seemed like it was. You know, I

(46:43):
was by myself when I first came through there, but
when I decided to go and tell a co worker
about it, because I wanted to witness to see this happening.
And so I told him about what happened. You know,
we arranged to We arranged for him to come back

(47:04):
at another time with me and he was going to
bring a camera to film walking through there and see
what would happen. And it took a couple of weeks
before we were able to get back to doing that.
But when we did the same items again, did the
same thing. I began trying to see if I could

(47:26):
communicate through this meter just by a simple yes, light
up and no, don't or something like that. It was
some very basic, rudimentary tried to get a response out
of something. When we were when we opened up the
shrunken head drawer, that particular, one shrunken head was laying

(47:51):
there and I said, can you move something to show?
I actually asked something like were you march? And I
got a response. I got a response that knocking was
me sorry, It was like yet, like a yes response,
and then I got a another response to some other question.

(48:16):
It seemed like, you know, I can't remember what that was.
But then I asked it if it could move something,
and actually in the little box that it was laying
in that as bizarre as it seems like it sounds,
that the actual head moved, shifted and moved in the

(48:37):
box and we called it on camera and everybody saw that.
There was a few witnesses there, including myself, and I
was like, did you just see that? And they were
like yeah. And I was talking to the co worker
not too long back, and he remembered that happening and

(48:58):
I was like, nobody will believe, but he goes, well,
we haven't. I have that tape somewhere here. As like,
that was pretty amazing, but it's also as horrifying to
think that somebody's trapped in this. You know, they're they're
trapped in this situation, and they're there, they are you know,
I don't know, it's just kind of bothersome really.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
Berry, Where would most of these items go just all
over the country or did they stay local?

Speaker 4 (49:27):
Well, the they were at one point. They're around the world,
but you know, I don't know. Now, you know, it
may be getting harder to ship these things around if
there were things where if they were antiquities. There are
private people who own collections of these things, which I

(49:48):
wouldn't want them in my home, but there are private
collectors of this stuff. You know, I think it might
be getting harder to uh, you know, buy and sell.
You know, I'm sure there's regulations involved in what you
can buy and what you can sell when it comes
to human remains and stuff. You know.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
But back then, But back then, do you know where
these things were going, Like maybe they were going up
for auction at certain places or maybe we're museum pieces.

Speaker 4 (50:18):
Yeah, they were being put into museums on display. Okay,
But now you're starting to hear things where people are
repatriating things, so you know that is interesting, you know,
so that some stuff people are asking their taking back

(50:39):
or shipping things back to where they came from. Now
that's been going on around the world. In recent years.
Any case, I think that's pretty much the end of
that particular place, and then I moved on in life
from there. But oh, actually I should mention this. I've

(51:03):
had a series of don I guess you could call
them a nightmare, although they're just very strange dreams that
I've had numerous times, and they're almost always basically the
same thing. They may vary a little bit, but it's
very odd. Through the years, I've had a dream that

(51:25):
I've been locked into the warehouse at night, and I
don't know, it might just be a dream. I don't know,
it seems very strange. I have had very few repetitive
dreams like in my lifetime like that. I end up
finding myself locked in and I'm like, why am I

(51:46):
in here? You know, every time I've dreamed this, I
was like, why am I in here? It's nighttime?

Speaker 6 (51:52):
You know.

Speaker 4 (51:53):
I'm always I'm worried, like how did I get here?
Why am I here? And I'm stuck in there with
all these bizarre things, trying to figure out how to
get out of there, and I'm working. You know, It's
very strange, and I've probably had that dream at least
five six times. Maybe through the years, and it's almost

(52:16):
always very similar in the context of what's going on,
and it's like I suddenly find myself there. Don't know
why I'm there, wandering around in there, trying to figure
out how to get out of there. It's creepy. I know,
it's just a really creepy dream. And then I wait.

(52:36):
When I do wake up, I'm like, oh my gosh,
what in the heck? You know, I'm surprised that I
would be dreaming about the warehouse and not the actual
department that I worked in or something, but something. It's
always at night. It's always at night. So that was
my experience of working with some of the strange things

(52:59):
that would happen. Working for that place was it was
always interesting because you just never knew what was coming
into the building or leaving the building. But anyways, it
was an experience, that's for sure. Then I changed careers
at the age of fifty years of age. I've made
a change, and I began working with a small company,

(53:23):
kind of a startup company. We had moved into a
small space and there was only a few of us
at the time, but we quickly outgrew that space. We
moved we found another place. It was close to where
I lived, and so it was convenient. I was very

(53:44):
happy because for many years it took me an hour
to get to work in an hour to get home
in traffic, and so to be working near where I
lived was a huge plus for sure, because you know,
if you're working a nine hour day and you got
two hours worth of driving every day, they get older,
you know. So I was really excited that we were,

(54:07):
you know, in my neighborhood more or less. So we
ended up finding another location which wasn't far from where
I lived and a larger facility for us. So as
the company was starting to grow, and the first week

(54:29):
now that we were moving in, I thought it was interesting.
It's like my boss had a priest and a nun
show up to bless the place, and I had never
seen anything like that before. You know, I was like, okay, whatever.
While we were busy setting up the place, I just

(54:51):
saw a priest in there. I didn't think he just
stood in the front lobby. As far as I know,
I didn't really hang out to watch what was going on,
but I think he just kind of did a little
blessing in the front lobby of the place and then
that was that, and I was like, oh, okay, but
I guess as part of her religion that she wanted

(55:15):
to bless I don't know, bless the place for whatever
reason that was. Maybe she did that to all the
places she's at. I didn't really know. I didn't ever
ask about it too much, but I thought it was interesting.
They gave the alarm company my number name because I
was the closest one to the location in case there

(55:38):
was ever a problem, and so we you know, the
first week was more or less just moving stuff from
the other location into the new place and trying to
start to set things up and so on. By that
weekend after the first week, busy week going on that week,

(56:00):
and the alarm company called me. I was like, I
realized somewhere else, and you know, it was a Saturday afternoon.
I think that, like, oh crap, the alarm company called.
So they said call them back, and they're like, something's

(56:21):
triggered the motion sensors at your location. I was like,
oh crap, all right, I'll head over there right now.
And I got in my vehicle and I drove aro.
I was nervous because I was just learning the new
code for the alarm and all that, but I wrote
it down in case I forgot it my pet and

(56:41):
my wallet and a little special code if needed it
for the alarm company and so forth. I get in there,
I opened that the door going, and I shut the
alarm off, and I was in the lobby and I
went to walk through a doorway into the sort of
the main hub of the space. There was a bunch

(57:03):
of offices set up there, and there was a work
little work shop in the back, and a work area
for the type of work that I was doing in
some other cubicles and stuff that they were setting up.
But I just walked in, turned the light on it,
and I started to walk forward, and within twenty feet

(57:27):
or so of walking into the door, I hit a
wall of energy that stopped me in my tracks. And
it absolutely struck terror in me instantly, and every hair
on my body just stood up, and I knew that

(57:49):
there was something there that I just I had felt
this before, you know, but this was really power and
really scared the crap. And I mean I certainly, you know,
I was kind of a little cautious going in with
an alarm being set, but I didn't think really too

(58:12):
much about it. I thought, I don't know whatever's going
to be going on here. But I quickly backed away
from that energy and I ran and I hit the
alarm and I ran outside, and I was sitting outside
in my car, freaked out. I was expecting to see

(58:34):
something look back at me from the blinds. And now
this building was not particularly extremely old building. I think
it was built in in nineteen eighties. It was on
a busy road, and there were other neighbors attached to
the building. It wasn't it was like a row of
you know, businesses, and you know, it wasn't heavy duty.

(58:59):
Where there were offices. There were you know, different types
of things. Each bay, each building had a roll up
door in the back where you can accept deliveries and
so forth. But this was not heavy duty manufacturing or
anything like that in this place. And it's like a
place you just certainly wouldn't expect to run into any

(59:22):
kind of paranormal thing, at least I certainly didn't. But
I was sitting in my car, I just freaked out
and not knowing exactly what the heck to do at
that point. And the sheriff Department pulls up right next
to me. The sheriff gets out and he's like, who
are you and what are you doing here you I'm like, oh,

(59:44):
I work here. I just came because the alarm company,
and he kind of gave me some crap and he said,
this is second time the alarm's gone off. You're gonna
we're gonna charge you the next time we show have
to come here or something. And I'm like, oh, sorry, sir,
we just moved in, and I said, I'm just a worker.
I just came to turn the alarm off. You know.

(01:00:08):
What I wanted to do is go, I'm sir, I
think the place is haunted. Can you go in there
with me and walk around please?

Speaker 5 (01:00:16):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:00:16):
But I didn't want to be baker acted and handcuffed
or taken away if I said anything like that, so
I just was like, okay, sir, I'll try to tell
my boss to have the alarm company come and look
at it or whatever. And I was actually too afraid
to go back into the building after that, and I

(01:00:38):
ended up going home and I told my wife, well,
I'm working in another haunted place. She's like, come on,
are you serious, and like, oh, seriously, there's something really
wrong with this place. And you know it's interesting is
I could have co workers that come in out of there,

(01:00:58):
you know, never have any experience. But as soon as
I go in there, something happens. You know, it's my luck.
I guess. I noticed that this location, it seemed like
whatever this thing was, it would hide when everybody was around,

(01:01:20):
and it knew that I knew that it was there.
I believe so interesting, And so anytime if I was
in there and other people were gone, it would come around,
or if they even if there was less people of
the place was almost empty, it might I might feel

(01:01:45):
a presence in the back of the building. It seemed
to stay mostly towards the back of the building area,
which happened to be that one of those areas was
my personal office space, and also around the work area
that me and some of my coworkers worked in back there,

(01:02:07):
and the little small shop space seemed to be always
ice cold. You go to touch the handle of the
door and there it was dark in there. It always
I would get goosebumps going into that area quite often.
But as time went on, you know, I was noticing

(01:02:30):
more and more this presence, but I couldn't say anything.
I worked with all these business type people. You know,
I don't want everybody to think I'm crazy. I'm already
the artsy guy. But I go, oh, there's this ghost
running around here then, you know, so I tried to

(01:02:50):
lay low with that. But one day, one morning, a coworker,
this guy was very straight laced, business man kind of guy.
I liked him a lot, you know, he's a good person.
But he came up to me and he goes, something
weird happened this morning. I was like what, and he

(01:03:12):
told me that he came in he was the first
one to come into the building and went to turn
on the coffee maker, and as he was coming through
to enter into the bigger area, a picture frame that
was on a shelf flew off of the shelf and

(01:03:32):
landed on the floor quite a distance from where it
flew off from. So it wasn't something that just naturally fell.
Something threw it off of there and it landed on
the floor. And of course I was very thrilled to
have somebody else see something and witness something. So of

(01:03:56):
course then we were having this quiet, muted conversation. I
was trying to ask him for any details of anything,
and I said oh, I've experienced some things too, you know,
And so we kind of had this little quiet understanding
that something was weird in the building. One other time,

(01:04:18):
I was in there by myself, and I was kind
of getting the creeps because you you know, you know,
when there's something there, and when you're trying to just
go about your business and you feel a presence come
around you and you can't see it and it's right

(01:04:40):
there near you, it is extremely unnerving. And I then
heard the front door open. Somebody came in. Now, the
front door has a chime attached to it, and the
only way to come into the door you have to
have a There was an electronic key that they gave

(01:05:01):
us that you waved and that would open the latch
and would automatically lock behind it, or you can manually
open the door with a key. I went to go
see who it was, and I found out it was
the business owner's elderly mother showed up. I was relieved
the seer and I said, oh, I'm glad it's you,

(01:05:24):
and she says, I'm glad you're here. I don't like
to be in here alone. And I said, oh, why
she goes that I don't is this something about this
place I don't like. And she told me she dreamt
that she saw somebody in there, and so I thought, oh, okay,

(01:05:46):
you know, so now this is two people that told
me that they've been experiencing something. Eventually, as time went on,
some of the other people reluctantly would admit that they
would hear the door chime, like somebody come into the place,
and they would go to a look and there was

(01:06:08):
nobody there, and yet that door buzzer chime or whatever
would go off, and they would get up from their
workspace and go to see who's there, and there's no
one there. And that that's happened to me. It's happened
to several people. But that was later on when finally
I started to come forward and go, oh, you know,

(01:06:30):
there's this. It took me a good while before I
started to say that we were in this location for
at least, you know, five years or so before we
moved to another bigger place. But so I you know,
as time went on, I started to go in there
because I was in there a lot by myself on

(01:06:50):
the weekends, or I would stay later in the evenings
to finish up what I was doing. Because you know,
I was working with materials and things that had to
there was timing involved and I had to complete a
task before I could leave and so forth. And every
single time that I was in there alone, this thing
wanted my attention. It seemed like, and yeah, it would

(01:07:15):
be very unnerving. So I started to talk to it
a little bit. I didn't know. I was afraid to
get a response. But I would say good morning, and
I would say good night when I would leave, and
I always felt really uncomfortable leaving and having to turn
the lights out. I really did not want to see

(01:07:35):
whatever it was, and I would ask it to not show.
I would mentally say, please, don't show me, show yourself
to me kind of thing, because I you know, again
if you were if you're visiting someplace on a ghost
hunting adventure, it's fun, you know. But if you got
to live with something, or you got to work someplace,

(01:07:57):
and you know, you find yourself alone in there, it's
it can be really unnerving. And another thing that I
noticed was that there were many times I felt like
my energy was drained, just completely, like I feel, okay,
you know, of course work can drain you know, I mean,
we all have those days where we're like, oh my gosh,

(01:08:18):
I'm going to fall asleep here, but it seems like this, uh,
the energy drain was so severe at times that you know,
it's like somebody just would, you know, take all the
energy out of my batteries. And actually they there were
some electronic issues that one time there had a guy

(01:08:40):
came in not long after we moved in there, and
he was trying to measure the location with some lasers
in order to uh, they were going to try to
remodel a little area or something. I don't remember exactly
what they were doing, but his job was to go
in there and get sise measurements of the space. And

(01:09:03):
he thought he was going to be in there for
you know, an hour, and he ended up there a
good portion of the day. And I could hear him going,
I don't understand why my equipment isn't working right. I
just don't get it. And he's like, I keep trying.
I could hear him talking on the phone to his
boss or whoever, and I and I even think I

(01:09:25):
heard him say something like that, it's like I'm in
a vortex or so, I don't know why I can't
get this stuff. It's just not adding up, it's not
working right. And I thought, oh, you're you're in a vortex. Okay, yeah, sure, dude,
But I kept my mouth shut, but I wanted to go, Hey,
this area back here is kind of strange. I think

(01:09:45):
there may have been some kind of interference, but I
can't guarantee that he could have been having just some
kind of equipment failure. But I heard him saying something like,
I've never experienced anything like this before, so that was interesting.
What there were times. One day I was in there
by myself and I went to go get something off
of a shelf, and right in front of my face

(01:10:08):
as I was removing something from the shelf, I had
three loud bangs that came from the other side of
the wall, right in front of my face, bam, bam bam,
and scared the crap out of me. It was really quiet.
There was nobody in the name, There were nobody in

(01:10:31):
the buildings next to us. The parking lot was empty
except for my car there, and I ran around the
other side to go in, which was a big conference room.
It was empty. There was nobody there, but it was
like somebody was right on the other side of that
wall and banged hard right in front of my face.

(01:10:55):
I always could feel the reverberation come from it, and
that that was a pretty darn freaky thing. I could
not explain it. And I also would see in my
peripheral vision quite a bit something that seemed like it
would pass by the doorway, or you'd see something kind
of dart into a peek out or something. You think

(01:11:18):
you see something and then it would duck back in
to the hallway. So I started to bring in I
kept some equipment in the building with me, kind of
more more than doing an investigation, although I started to
do a little bit of one. It was more of
an alarm system for me to know that something was

(01:11:40):
coming my way. So I had a rempod set up,
and I had a melmeter that I would leave out there,
and when I would be sitting there working in the back,
all of a sudden, i'd see things start to light
up or the things going. And I actually filmed a

(01:12:02):
bunch of the things that I was doing in there
with that, But you know, it can't prove anything, but
it would let me know. But usually I would know
anyways because I could feel whatever it was coming closer
to me, and then sometimes it would feel like it's
just standing right there, and it's so weird to know

(01:12:25):
that there's something there and yet you can't see it.
But it seemed like it was really interested in whatever
I was doing or wanting to communicate, and so I
would go, Hello, it's me the artist, just coming in
to do some work. Goodbye, have a good night. It's weird,

(01:12:45):
I'm talking to a ghost.

Speaker 3 (01:12:48):
I mean, did you the fact that the.

Speaker 2 (01:12:52):
Owner of this building, when you guys are moving into
this place, she immediately she's got the priest.

Speaker 3 (01:12:59):
And the none there doing this blessing.

Speaker 2 (01:13:01):
So it makes you wonder did she do that for
every location or was she told something by who was
there previously that weird.

Speaker 3 (01:13:09):
Things were going on.

Speaker 2 (01:13:10):
You may want to get a little ahead of this thing.

Speaker 4 (01:13:15):
Yeah, it's interesting. Well she was Catholic, you know, I
she was terrified of any paranormal things. So if I
try to say anything, because I really wanted to try
to get somebody to come in there, at one point
you get somebody who was a medium or somebody to
come through. But you know, she was just I don't

(01:13:38):
know if she did that to the other place that
we were at. She did not own the building. We
were releasing it. But for whatever reason, she decided to
do that. And maybe that's a normal thing that they do,
you know, in their family. I don't know. I had
never seen anything like it before, so it was new.

(01:13:59):
And then I started to you know, it's kind of weird.
You go here, you have somebody come in here and
do that, and then there's something actually here is it?
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:14:09):
Like?

Speaker 4 (01:14:11):
Yeah, which did she? Did her mother go through there
and say I don't there's something I don't like about
this place. I mean, did she feel something when they
were looking at the place, or did somebody say anything?
Or is it just purely that she would do with
this any you know, on a normal of that would

(01:14:33):
be something normal for her to do. I don't know
for sure, but it was definitely interesting. I thought that
that happened that way. And then within a few days
of that, I come walking in there after the alarm company,
you know, the motion sensors were triggered twice in one day,

(01:14:54):
and I happened to walk in there and just literally
hit a wall of energy. I mean just I mean
knocked me on my It absolutely terrified me. I was
not expecting it, and it was felt so intense that, Yeah,

(01:15:15):
I was sitting in my car absolutely freaked out when
the sheriff pulled up.

Speaker 2 (01:15:21):
Did it feel to you like a human presence there
or something else?

Speaker 4 (01:15:26):
Well, that is the interesting thing, you know. I was
unnerved for sure, and I had to spend a lot
of time in there alone. You know, I had mixed vibes.
One part of me felt that it was a woman spirit,
and the older woman told me that she saw a

(01:15:49):
female sitting in this one room. And the other gentleman
told me that he thought he saw image of a
woman briefly sitting in one of the offices in the
back when he walked past. So that's three people who
think that, you know why. I thought that. I'm not

(01:16:10):
really sure why. But also I felt like there was
something possibly negative there, and so there may have been
more than one thing going on, And you know, like
I say, something was draining my energy in that place
at times. And also it would just make you feel really,

(01:16:33):
really uncomfortable. I would go around there when I was
alone or after the end of the workday, sometimes walk
through there with my melmeter. I could almost follow sometimes
I could follow where this energy would be going around
back in there, but I had this, you know, deep

(01:16:55):
there was some fear there. I was trying to get
used to the situation, but there was definitely some fear
that I was afraid that I was gonna just turn
around and see something that I really didn't want to see,
you know. So as a matter of fact, I remember
trying to needing to go to the bathroom, feeling like
whatever this thing was was following me, and I was like,

(01:17:18):
oh man, I just needed to go to bed, and
just feeling so uncomfortable going into the mentor and knowing
that I feel like something has entered into if you
just followed me there. And I actually got the milimeter
and that thing was floored. It was like kicking up

(01:17:38):
some serious energy in and around there. And I did
go around the building. They haven't had a lot of
electronics and computers and stuff in there, so I went
around checking where those high frequencies like the fuse boxes
and stuff. But this thing seemed to float around and

(01:17:59):
move around, you know. It was a free, free moving
energy of some kind that was in that area. You know.
Some At one point in time, my son started to
come in there with me. He was in high school,
and he ended up getting a part time job during

(01:18:22):
the summer months with me. So he and I did
a couple of little investigations and where we tried to communicate,
and I feel like we actually may have had some
communication with this thing. And I was skeptical because he
put an app up on his phone and I thought,

(01:18:42):
a lot of that's probably bs, you know, but it
does seem like it directly responded to some things that
I said very specific, and one of them was, he
came in with me one day and I said, hello,
it's me the ours and I said, I brought my

(01:19:03):
son with me. And it said muscular, and he was
wearing a muscle shirt and he the guy is pretty
ripped for he's got huge shoulders and arms. He's a big,
big kid, uh, And I thought that was interesting. Then
I said something about family and it said jealous. And
he started to say, you know, who are you and

(01:19:25):
why are you here? And we got a female name
and at one point it said boyfriend jealous and then
it also said something about flowers delivered or something. So
he started putting these pieces together, like did did a
woman get murdered here? And you know, I was unable

(01:19:45):
to find any I mean, unless I could get police
records or something, I was unable to find anything where
a crime was committed at that location or anything. So
I don't know, you know. But it also was on
a busy street, and we all also don't know what

(01:20:06):
happened on that property before these buildings were even built there,
so it's there's no telling what could have happened. But
I had this feeling that there was something, you know,
and then I started feeling kind of bad, like if
there's some person's like stuck here or what you know.
But there were other weird things that happened that made

(01:20:28):
me think that there could be something else there. I mean,
who knows, maybe her killers there, or maybe there was
some other dark presence that was in that location. One
of the things that I'm trying to think of, Yeah,
just the Knox bangs. You'd sometimes hear something somedly get

(01:20:48):
crashed and you go look and you'd hear, you sounded
like something big fell and you're gonna find no evidence
of anything there, So I mean that was kind of interesting.
Another thing that really was odd that happened was one
day we were in there working, Me and some co

(01:21:10):
workers in this work area that we had set up,
and we're all busy and we were listening to, you know,
I don't know, one of the streaming stations. And because
we were attached to corporate offices and stuff, we couldn't
just jam out to anything, you know. We had to

(01:21:31):
keep the music down. And we had a variety of
people working in there, so I try to please everybody
by just you know, we're not going to be playing
any big headbanging music in there, but try to have
some music playing through the day. And occasionally, in order

(01:21:53):
to please everybody, I would try to put something that
they might particularly like. Like there was some Spanish women
that would working there. I put a little easy going
Spanish channel on sometimes or something like that. But I'm
a rocker, but you know, and I would play some
music but it would keep the noise down to a

(01:22:15):
certain level. Anyways, we were in there one day and
I actually was this was just such a weird thing
that out of nowhere a song came on and it
came on full blast, out of context with anything that

(01:22:37):
was we were listening to, which was really weird, and
it was tiny Tims tiptoe through the tulips. Oh, I know,
and I think that was I'm pretty sure it was
in one of those. It's been in a horror movie,
one of them. I don't know if it was Insidious
movies or one of them, one of those movies, but

(01:23:00):
you know what I'm talking, this is one of those
weird It's like, it's so creepy, and it was the
volume just was up, full blast, and it just came
blasting on over, you know, just whatever we were listening
to was interrupted and this this song came on, and

(01:23:23):
then after it would just go back to its normal
volume and normal, but we're all like stunned, like what
in the heck was that?

Speaker 6 (01:23:33):
You know?

Speaker 4 (01:23:34):
Then it happened again on a different channel. We're listening
to h like I say, easy going Spanish music, some
Flamenco guitar or something I don't know, and out of nowhere,
Tiny Tim's tiptoe through the tups again, full blast volume
just sh comes on. You know, I started wondering, is

(01:23:58):
there some kind of a Tiny Tim virus? You know, like,
but it would just of course, the people in the
offices are like, what the hell's going on? You know,
and we're all just you know, kind of like startled
and after it happened. This happened several times, all within
a probably a few weeks, maybe a month's time or

(01:24:19):
so that this was happening, and it was absolutely everybody
was freaked out by it. I mean it wasn't just me,
you know, or that. Everyone was just creeped out big
time because it is one of the creepiest sounding songs
you could listen to.

Speaker 5 (01:24:36):
Me.

Speaker 4 (01:24:37):
I can't understand it for the life of me, what
was going on, why it was happening, but it certainly
got our attention.

Speaker 2 (01:24:47):
That is not the song that you want to come
on in a known haunted location.

Speaker 3 (01:24:52):
Absolutely creepy, yeah, absolutely is.

Speaker 4 (01:24:58):
I mean this's just this falsetto shrilling thing in the
of course the ukulele stuff going on. Anybody that hasn't
heard it, go listen to Tiny Tims, Tip through the Tulips.
Put it on really loud, and you'll get an idea
what we're talking about, especially when you know something's been
going on. Now. In one of the other episodes, I

(01:25:20):
told you about my father, and this is right around
the time that he had passed away, and I had
had a couple of really bad nightmares right around that time. Well,
also I mentioned that my workplace was haunted, and so
now you know, so then I really was kind of

(01:25:41):
afraid that there might be some negative thing in that place,
you know, because of the nightmares that I had, and
I was dealing with this whatever, this energy was, this entity,
spirit or spirits that seemed to certainly be trying to
get my tension and also scare me at times. So

(01:26:03):
I mean the banging on the walls at times only
you know, when I was by myself in there and stuff.
And then this tiptoe through the tulips. It happened at
least five times, maybe maybe more. You know, it was
just I don't know, I can't explain it. It didn't
matter what channel, if we were listening to the Doctor

(01:26:23):
Demento or some weird obscure sixties channel, you know where
they might play weird stuff like that, but we were
not listening to anything like that. And then the fact
that the volume would just go full blast. It just absolutely,
you know, it was freaky beyond a description.

Speaker 2 (01:26:46):
Well, and tiny Tim, I've heard a couple variations of
what happened. One of them is that he was singing
tiptoe through the tulips on stage and had a massive
heart attacking collapse. And then I've also heard that he
had a mild to moderate heart attack and then died
a short time later. But it was all it was

(01:27:08):
in both cases or around you know that song, which
I think is his most popular song, of course, so
not strange that he would be singing it. But maybe
that was whatever entity was in that place trying to
tell you guys it story somehow.

Speaker 4 (01:27:26):
I don't know. I yeah, yeah, it's weird. I thought,
maybe did this person die around that time. Then there
was the other thought that my father, with his strange
sense of humor, although you know, I don't think he
would want to scare me. But I remember when I
was a kid, tiny tim was a thing, and how

(01:27:47):
that could be I don't even know. But he would
be on the you know, television as a guest on
Johnny Carson or or the Ed Sullivan Show or whatever
he was. I remember seeing on TV and thinking, oh,
this guy's weird, you know, and then my dad would
kind of goof about it, go you know, to through

(01:28:07):
you know, just to tease us or whatever. But I
don't I really don't think that that's the case. But
you know, it just I remembered the song from when
I was a child, but you know, I hadn't thought
about that song, and god, I don't know in the decades,
you know, and uh, it was certainly not something I

(01:28:29):
would choose to listen to, you know, by any means.
And then it was just so weird. I can't even
tell you for it.

Speaker 3 (01:28:38):
To come on twice, especially.

Speaker 4 (01:28:40):
Yeah, and you know, of course once it came on
several times, at least.

Speaker 2 (01:28:45):
At least four, at least five six times.

Speaker 4 (01:28:50):
Yeah, it was weird. It was, you know, and he
never knew when it would happen. We would just be
sitting there listening to music, and I mean we would
change the channels and again it would be the same
song and the volume would be cranked and I just
can't I didn't understand, you know, because I was like, well,
maybe is there is that a virus or something, you know,

(01:29:13):
but I have no clue what, how or why this
would be happening. It was weird, that's for sure, I
mean really weird. It's just you put a chill up
your spine to hear it, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:29:29):
Yeah, that's that would be on the list of immediate
creepy songs. To not hear on any kind of a
device in an active location, just it gives that vibe
off very well, and that's not the time to hear it.

Speaker 4 (01:29:47):
Yeah, for sure. You know, I started feeling if I
felt like there probably was a female spirit in there,
whether she's try after whatever and was a victim to
some kind of a crime, you know, But I can't
prove that, and I don't know, and I didn't know

(01:30:08):
what I could do about it, but I tried. I
wanted to try to. I like to fix things, you know.
I wish that I could have before we ever left her.
I wish I could have found somebody to go in
there and see what was going on and cleanse the
place of whatever was in there, But I never was

(01:30:28):
able to do that. But when we were getting ready
to move out of that location, my son and I,
after everything was moved out, we went back to say
goodbye to whatever it was, you know, at least to
the female goes. I don't if there was anything else

(01:30:49):
in there that was negative. I you know, I didn't
want anything to do with it, but I was afraid
of something following me or coming home with me at
night from that place, you know, I mean walking out there,
I got to turn the lights out, and it's dark,
especially in the winter months, and I would be really
creeped out. I'd have my phone with the little flashlight
on so I could get through there, have the alarm

(01:31:11):
set and run out of there as quickly as I could.
And it was always very unnerving to be the last
person out of the building. But my son and I
went back over there. The place is empty at that point.
And this time I decided to bring dowsing rods, I
guess the copper rods. I'd never really used them before,

(01:31:37):
but I had them for a long time, just never
ever tried to use them. Is that what they're called.
I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah, so but I had they
were in a spindle, you know, I had them set
up and I try. I actually experimented them with them
one other time, and they seem like they're really respond

(01:32:00):
to me and some and so I kind of got
nervous and I put them away. But this time I
brought them. We were going to try to say goodbye,
and because I was talking and I could feel this
presence came right up and it felt like it was
right behind me, I mean, like right up next to

(01:32:20):
me close by. I could just feel this energy there
and I had the rods, and of course I was
asking yes and no questions, and they yes to cross
over and no to not cross or whatever. I don't remember,
but we got, you know, a couple seemed like there

(01:32:44):
was a little bit of communication like that. And then
I say, can you show me where you are right now?
And the rods just started parting way from each other
and they just looped slowly and went right over my
shoulders through pointing directly behind me, which is exactly where
it felt like that thing was standing just the I mean,

(01:33:07):
it kind of creeped me, but I knew. I was,
like I could. I knew it was there, and it
let me know. It just sort of all of a sudden,
they just started going moving outward from each other and
came right around and pointed right directly behind me. And
so no doubt that place, and I drive by there

(01:33:28):
often and I want to just go knocking on the door,
you know, some other professional business in there now, And
I feel like just knocking on there going anything unusual
going on in here? You know. That's pretty much it
for that. But I dealt with that for over five years,
and of course the other place I dealt with things

(01:33:51):
for seventeen years. I was with this other company for
eleven years, but I think we were in that location
for five or maybe six years total. But you know,
it was on a regular basis that I mean. It's
weird how you could get used to something even though
you know. It's hard to get used to something that

(01:34:11):
you could feel and you can't see and you know
it's there, but it's weird, but you have to just
I had to keep going to work. I couldn't not
go to work, so I had to try to get
used to it and try to just be nice to it,
I guess, so that it wouldn't give me a hard time,

(01:34:32):
you know. So anyways, that's my that is my stories
for that.

Speaker 2 (01:34:41):
Yeah, And then next time we are going out of
Florida a little bit. We are going on strange vacations.

Speaker 3 (01:34:49):
As you call them.

Speaker 2 (01:34:50):
And then we are going to close out conversations with
Barry by going into a very very huge subject that
is least a two parter, maybe even a three, right Barry,
we'll see, But it's just it's such a big subject
that we both agree we are not going to be
trying to rush through that or cram that into one

(01:35:15):
little box, and that is abductions, UFOs aliens, that kind
of a subject. So that will be coming up. But
next up we'll be strange vacations. But Barry, again, we
spend a lot of time together this far, and people
enjoy your episodes. They're very thankful, as am I that

(01:35:36):
you are willing to come on and share all of
these things.

Speaker 4 (01:35:40):
Well, thank you so much, and you know, it's nice
to be able to come forward and talk about these things.
Sometimes I have to ask myself, like, my god, this
stuff really has really did you? And you know, you go,
it is what it is. I guess for some reason,
I'm just open to that. Other people, like I say,

(01:36:03):
could work in the same building and not really you know,
they might notice something, but because they're closed minded to it,
I guess they're just not going to accept that or
be there. Things are not going to happen to them.
But for whatever reason, it seems like it's if I'm
around and there's something going on, it's going to let

(01:36:23):
me know. So but thank you so much, appreciate it
again and look forward to the next time.

Speaker 2 (01:36:30):
And all I want to say is don't send Barry
a shrunken head for Christmas. Okay, that's not what he
wants at all. I think he's had enough of those
kinds of things around.

Speaker 4 (01:36:40):
I ordered one from the comic books when I was
a kid and had it hanging off of the handlebars
of my little Stingray bicycle. But you know, I thought
that was kind of cool. But yeah, you get into
the real ones and there's mojo. Man, there's some weird
stuff attached to that stuff. So be careful people when
you go shopping at the antiques.

Speaker 2 (01:37:00):
Or Yeah, and if the spidy senses go off, if
you have such things, listen to them.

Speaker 4 (01:37:06):
Yes, absolutely, I lessons learned from me, that's for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:37:11):
Yeah, you don't want to bring something home. You don't
need extra roommates and they're not always very nice, and
they definitely don't do dishes.

Speaker 4 (01:37:19):
I have been instructed not to bring anything like that
home to my you know. I like old stuff and
antiques and weird things, you know, but I am, yeah,
cautious about that stuff. I don't want anything like that
in my house.

Speaker 2 (01:37:34):
Heck, no, big bag and ope right there. As we
like to say, well thank you so much.

Speaker 4 (01:37:41):
Thank you, well so I was given the name by
my parents.

Speaker 6 (01:37:48):
My business under college, I've done my profession producers. But
that's something the story that's all gone, that's all parts.

Speaker 5 (01:38:01):
I want to see them.

Speaker 6 (01:38:02):
Really you you are now, but nobody knows who learning
is because we don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:38:10):
Our selves except for listening to aericas.

Speaker 6 (01:38:15):
And consulting our menmbers.

Speaker 5 (01:38:17):
But then that's a really and that again leads us
beect this question what are you?

Speaker 4 (01:38:25):
That is the meaning.

Speaker 5 (01:38:27):
We shall see how they play with the success by
the cost to get you to come out of your
show and find out.

Speaker 4 (01:38:36):
Be very hard.

Speaker 5 (01:39:09):
It's it's.

Speaker 7 (01:39:12):
It's steps, it's boss puts that stops puss.

Speaker 5 (01:40:16):
You might send me for example, are quite divided on us.

Speaker 6 (01:40:31):
They will say, no, we don't believe literally in reincarnation
that after your funeral you will suddenly become somebody different.

Speaker 5 (01:40:41):
To being somewhere else.

Speaker 6 (01:40:44):
They will say, reincarnation means this that if you're sitting
here now, are really convinced that you're the same person
older at the door half an hour ago, you'll be
recompted if you're liberating rems now that you're not. The
past hasn't intestine, the future doesn't exist.

Speaker 4 (01:41:05):
There is only the present.

Speaker 5 (01:41:07):
That's the only winning is send Master Don Caspace s.

Speaker 4 (01:41:14):
Spring does not.

Speaker 5 (01:41:15):
Become something.

Speaker 4 (01:41:18):
Because there is something. An entry springs.

Speaker 7 (01:42:09):
It's it's it's Puss, Puss, Puss Puss Starless has the

(01:43:13):
same ideas four Days, where he says, when you've settled
down in the train.

Speaker 6 (01:43:19):
You can read your newspaper and so they were not
the same person a while ago, And live the plan.

Speaker 5 (01:43:28):
If you think you are, you are linking your moments
up in the check.

Speaker 6 (01:43:33):
And this is what binds the wheel of bland, when
you know that every moment of which you are is
the only moment.

Speaker 5 (01:43:43):
This consints. And the Master will say.

Speaker 6 (01:43:45):
From somebody, I can have a walk across the room
and it can't be back, And he says, where are
your foot?

Speaker 5 (01:43:53):
They've gone? So where are you? Who are you?

Speaker 6 (01:43:58):
When we are asked who we are, usually give a
kind of recitation of an instru inst Insen

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